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0:00 Are you ready? Yeah. Okay, let's do it. Bill Martinez Live, a program about current events, our culture, our values, our politics, and our future. And now, Bill Martinez. Hey, good morning, America. Glad you could join us about six minutes after the top of the hour right now. I'm Bill Martinez. He's Mike O'Neill from Landmark Legal. Hey, Mike, how you doing? I'm good, Bill. Good to be with you. Well, always good to be talking with you and catching up on everything that is our world and our culture. Yes. You know, you and I have, you know, minimally have discussed the Clancy case. Yeah, very minimally. I mean, for lots of reasons. Yeah. You know, it's tough all the way around. And, you know, for the jury, what they had to go through and that, you know, quite amazing. But here it is. It came down to one person who held to his beliefs.

0:54 Right. And now we're starting to hear more about what happened back in that jury room, huh? Yeah, I mean, a couple of things, and I wasn't following the day-to-day, you know, you and I work, we work, we don't have time to get into the minutiae details of it. I'd love to be paid to be an analyst on this, that would be fun, but we weren't. But paying attention now, kind of tuning into what's been happening after the fact has been kind of illuminating for everyone. First of all, I think, as you said, you know, it necessitates stating that It was a tragedy. It was a horrible, horrible situation. You had a woman here who was suffering from something who killed her three children. And I just keep going back to these young three beautiful children who were killed and how awful and terrible this situation is. That being said, I think now what you're seeing post-trial has been problematic at the least. First of all, I want to comment on what her defense attorney said post-trial.

1:53 Now we all know that it was a mistrial. You had 12 jurors in the Commonwealth of Massachusetts. 11 of them would have held that Ms. Clancy or Mrs. Clancy was not guilty by reason of insanity. They use a little different terminology up in Massachusetts, but for our purposes, insanity, that she was suffering from some sort of post-birth psychosis. Yeah, postpartum depression. Yeah, postpartum depression, postpartum psychosis, and that she was in her right frame of mind. Again, 11 jurors would have held her not guilty under that rationale. One juror held out. I think I would have, just from looking at it, I kind of empathize immediately with the juror who was holding out. I said she did it. Normally, it's a high burden to meet the burden of insanity. That's an affirmative defense. In other jurisdictions, the burden is on the defendant who's asserting the insanity defense to prove that. that they were insane or they lacked the capacity to determine right from wrong when that action was occurring. In Massachusetts, it's kind of backwards. In Massachusetts, once you assert that defense, then the prosecution has to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that you weren't insane. And when you think about it, that's a really heavy burden on the prosecution. So you're operating with one hand tied behind your back from that regard. Also, regarding the jury, the fact that the defense attorney was criticizing the juror for holding fast to his beliefs. Now

3:26 we know it was a man. There was nine women, three men, and this one juror, this male juror, was held fast to his beliefs that she was guilty. I got to tell you, I'm surprised, frankly. I thought it would have been a woman. Really? I mean, I don't know. For me, I just would have thought instinct just in terms of... And I understand a lot of sympathy for women and dealing with that side. But the idea that you killed three of your kids and the manner in which she murdered them was pretty severe. And I thought, okay, well, maybe. But I don't know. I was just a little bit... That's just me. It was just my evaluation of it. I can see from that point of view. I think what...

4:06 The one thing I want to say about her defense attorney who came out and was criticizing this man, he really crossed the line here. And he should know better as a trial attorney that the jurors are separate and apart. You don't come out after the fact and criticize individual jurors and give facts out there that would enable people to identify who those jurors were. It's just not done. You want to preserve the sanctity of the jury system. Because you want people to be able to serve on juries, ideally go into the trial as objective as possible without any preconceptions or preconceived notions, and be able to present and analyze the facts as presented to them by the attorneys, by the prosecution, and by the defense throughout the trial process.

4:51 And you don't want attorneys criticizing individual jurors after the fact. And you certainly don't want people to pigpile on somebody that disagrees. With his position. And so then what do you do for juries going forward, going, look at, you know, I don't want to participate. I don't want to take the risk of putting my family in danger or me in danger because I didn't go along with the crowd or something. And I have to risk that some angry defense attorney or prosecutorial, some angry attorney after the fact is going to identify me and then make me a target. That's where it crosses the line. Again, he should know better than this. I really think from my perspective that when I was listening to him talk, I was watching when the judge announced the mistrial. And they had the cameras focused on the defense attorney. And you could see him raging.

5:40 You could see, you could just see him, the ire was just burning off of him. So you knew he was angry. And obviously after, when he came out and was on the courthouse steps giving the interviews, he was clearly very angry. And I can, I guess I can understand that he invested tons of time. Well, he was passionate even in his closing as well, you know, and that's where I thought he may have lost it because, and where the prosecution I thought did a better job in presenting their case because they were, they were reasonable. They were calm. He was very emotive. And when you get that emotive, It's like you run the risk of really alienating people, in my humble opinion. He did. But I think generally speaking, that's how it is in a trial, right? The prosecution is the straightforward, just the facts.

6:23 And then the defense will present the emotions. We'll play on the emotions. We'll get to that in a second. But the problem, it's interesting in this, in that so often the unanimity factor of a jury is paramount, right? And if you have, and that normally is a, is a, is a, is good for a defense attorney, right? Think about the 12 angry men. All you have to do is create reasonable doubt with one juror and you can get a mistrial. And that's oftentimes what you shoot for. But in this case, it was funny that you have a defense attorney actually criticizing the unanimity and criticizing the one juror standing on his principles. Because defense attorney, we all want jurors to stand on their principles generally, but defense attorneys particularly would say, criminal defense attorneys, you want the one juror to be able to hold out against because so oftentimes it's the other way around. It's everybody's pushing for the guilty verdict and there's one or two people that's standing out. No, you haven't met the reasonable doubt.

7:12 But again, here, it's kind of all got flipped on its head because in Massachusetts, you have this whole insanity defense. The reasonable doubt is on the prosecution to prove that the person wasn't crazy beyond reasonable. So it's kind of an odd situation. All that being said, I think what your problem here is on the jurors, you're getting some interviews from some of the female jurors who were sitting, who were in panel here. And what's coming out is a couple of problematic things as well, is the fact that they were considering evidence that wasn't necessarily presented to them in trial. I think some of them had some nursing experience and were able to talk about the effects of medicine on the mental state of the defendant. and they were bringing in facts that weren't introduced in evidence, that weren't presented via an expert. Normally in these trials, what you have is you have expert witnesses will present how does a given medicine affect a person, right? If you're a postpartum and you're taking such and such medicine, how does that affect it? Or how can that affect them?

8:12 And the jurors are obligated to take that and weigh the veracity of the expert witness versus another expert witness and say, who's more likely to be telling the truth? And that's how they're supposed to deliberate it. They shouldn't be considering facts or opinions from other people. And I think that that was probably one of the problems here that's indicated from one of these jurors that they were considering, nurses were saying, well, it's not necessarily that. No, no, no. You can't consider evidence outside of that's presented to you in trial. And I think that's the problem here. One other interesting thing from the jurors that are giving these interviews is that they were talking about the lack of compassion that was on display. And this kind of gets back to what we were talking about before, the lack of compassion on display from the prosecutors.

8:55 Okay. So, and they were saying right from the get-go, they weren't demonstrating the requisite compassion for Ms. Clancy. Yeah. Mike, hang on one second. We got to go to quick break. Let's pick it up on the other side. We got more from Mike O'Neill after this. Stay with us. What's the best way to get rid of a timeshare that you don't want? Call the Timeshare Exit Hotline. We're a group of attorneys that help customers legally exit their timeshares. It's an easy process. We guarantee results or you pay nothing. Exit your timeshare today. Call now. 800-403-8539 800-403-8539 That's 800-403-8539.

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13:36 Nutrition for patriots. Hey, we're back with you. Bill Martinez here with Landmark Legal's Mike O'Neill, and we're reviewing... the Clancy case and getting us, giving us a perspective, you know, a legal perspective on this. And I appreciate, Mike, how you're presenting this because there's good balance here to help us understand because, you know, many people are still, you know, a bit shocked with the result here. Yeah. And it is shocking. I mean, it's shocking. But then when you begin to unwind it and unravel it, you see that it's not really that shocking. What the jurors were talking about, interestingly, is that they were saying that from the get-go, the prosecution wasn't showing the requisite compassion for Mrs. Clancy or Ms. Clancy, the accused. I go, hey, look, I see how the prosecution's operating. Their compassion is for the three dead victims and the family, the three little children, beautiful children who were allegedly killed by their mother, murdered by their mother. That's where my compassion goes. But the jurors were saying, well, the prosecution wasn't showing compassion for the accused. If you're the poor prosecutor in this case, you're thinking to yourself, wow, I got off right off the wrong foot. Right from the get-go, they weren't showing compassion.

14:56 So it sounded like the prosecution's case was tainted right from the beginning. And that's kind of a reminder to all of us, right, lawyers, et cetera, that these first impressions, the first five minutes, you make your case or you don't make your case. The juror will get an impression of an attorney or an accused within minutes, right? And then they're locked into that. And it takes Herculean efforts to move them off of that. So that's problematic, too. I think impaneling the jury, I think if the prosecution probably had to do it over again, they wouldn't impanel the jurors that they had impaneled. There's a lot going on about New England white liberals. Howard Pell in this juror.

15:37 So if you want to go down that road, you can go down that road and try to get into that mind space. But again, this is the prosecutions. They practice in that venue and that jurisdiction. They should know their constituencies and should understand the point of view that these people are going to be bringing into this case at the get-go. That being said, the fact that the jury was looking for compassion for the accused from the get-go, oh man, that's a tough burden for you to overcome if you're a prosecutor. So I certainly feel for the prosecutors. Right, exactly. Well, you know, we're going to hear more about this because, you know, I think they're going to decide in the next couple of weeks how they do this. Because, I mean. Even like right now, Mike, I mean, what can they do if they come back and they work out some sort of deal, negotiate some compromise here? I mean, she's going to end up having to go into some, I believe, in some mental health facility, right? She just can't walk free.

16:32 No, you got to think that that's the case. And I mean, and that's, that is some, some folks who practice in this area who are better versed in these areas than I am have said that, look, asserting this defense isn't a get out of jail free card, right? I mean, when you're found not guilty by reason of insanity, and let's just stipulate that that's what we're saying. Obviously the terminology is a little different in Massachusetts, but you've consigned yourself to that You should be– you're sick. You're ill. Again, I don't believe that. I think she knew what she was– from my limited exposure to the facts here, I think she knew what she was doing. Let's be clear. She understood what was happening and the problem. She understood that it was wrong. She sent her husband out for the day. She knew her husband wasn't going to be present, et cetera, et cetera. That being said, if there is a deal worked out, she should spend significant– I mean, in my mind, she should be under observation in prison for the rest of her life. But yeah, there would be that if there was some sort of plea deal worked out. I would think, though, and again, as I understand it, September 20th, there's a status hearing where I think some of this might be laid out, is that she should be retried in maybe a different venue.

17:36 I mean, I know that's that's one of the other concepts as well. Maybe a different charge, maybe a second degree, maybe maybe a different maybe a manslaughter charge. But look, this is this is a this is a This is, in my mind, particularly, this is some of the most heinous crimes you can imagine, right? This is a mother committing the most atrocious act on her children. It's just awful and heart-wrenching and heartbreaking from every perspective. So it cries out for some justice for these victims. But again, I think the conduct of her defense attorney has been below, you know, I think from all intents and purposes, he did a fine job during the trial, but After the fact, I think he let his emotions get the better of him and really got ahead over his skis and criticizing these jurors.

18:19 Well, and even to ask Trump for a pardon, which he knows darn well. Well, it's just silly because– It's not. Going to happen. It can't happen. I mean, I don't understand what he was thinking with that because it's a state law case. I mean– Right. Exactly. Again, I want to say that I'm going to give deference to him and his expertise in criminal law matters, but– He. Was emotionally vested. There's no pardon power for the president there. You got to go to the governor for a pardon. There, buddy. Right, exactly. Well, look, a little less than five minutes left, 9-11, 25th anniversary coming up. You know, Mamdani, being who Mamdani is, you know, what he did for that executive order signing and handing the pen off to somebody who was associated with a terrorist. It's just unbelievable.

19:11 I mean, I just, I was saying to my colleague yesterday that if you had told me in the weeks after 9-11 that 25 years later, you would have a guy like Mondami as the mayor of New York City, my head would have spun around a million times. I said, there's no way I would have believed that that would ever be possible. Can we imagine that? And then as we get further and further of it, you're seeing a demarcation line in our society, right? You're seeing the people who understood what America was before 9-11. And then you're seeing the people who've kind of forgotten and moved off that. Look, we've lost something, right? That day we lost something. We lost something. We lost, obviously, we lost 3,000 American, innocent Americans.

19:52 And we all who lived through it saw those Americans and those brave men and women, you know, jumping from those towers, the Pentagon. Barbara Olson, who was affiliated with... who we knew in the conservative legal movement back then, died on 9-11 at the Pentagon. It was just a terrible, awful day. And we remember it. But you've seen this. Our society has changed so markedly in these 25 years, right? Now, again, I think it's, I got to put some blame on President Bush after 9-11. He opened it up. There was a lot of, you know, hey, look, this is a religion of peace. These are people who don't want to hurt us. I mean, look, 25 years has kind of shown us the folly of some of those beliefs. Obviously, Obama and Biden ran with it.

20:36 Yes. I give some credit to Bush for keeping us safe after 9-11. But there's a lot of debate about FISA, the ability of. The domestic- Of course, the Patriot Act and all that. Exactly, right. I mean, we didn't have another major attack on the United States. So yes, that was a success. But I mean- The ways, particularly, again, I go back to the immigration things. And again, it was really, it was kind of, the door was a little bit opened after Bush and then Biden and Obama just wrecked it. Well, especially Obama, because Obama, I mean, people said, well, he's a Christian. Well, I don't know, but is he a Christian? Is he Muslim? But look what he did. I mean, how he favored, you know, and then of course, then, you know, people need to see what's happening in New York is that you have this accumulation of of Muslim interests in a particular area and they elect the mayor, which is the same thing that happened in Britain, right?

21:33 In England. So here, and same thing is happening in Minneapolis. And not only Minneapolis, here you got 82,000 Somalis that leverage their voting power in that to control the entire state, Mike. I mean, this is like, this. Is where people need to wake up. And then what a company is that? I mean, at a level, I mean, at, On the surface, it's fraud everywhere. I mean, you see just endemic fraud and because there's just no acknowledgement of that. It's the viewing of the American taxpayer is just an ATM. You're just going to come in and take advantage of all our high trust society institutions that we have, that everything's based on trust in our society. And that's what's made.

22:14 That's part of what's made America great over 250 years is the fact that we have a degree. We live in a high trust society and that when you bring in folks who don't share that value and and just look at opportunities to commit fraud, then this is what you see. You see trillions of dollars. And again, we're facing a $ 40 trillion debt. We're facing budget deficits in hundreds of billions of dollars annually. And you say, well, let's start with the low-hanging fruit. Well, hey, let's not allow people to come into the country who rip off the American taxpayer to tens of billions of dollars. It's all encompassing, not only that, but other nations, people that we believed were allies, and they've been taking full advantage of us, including Canada. Everybody's up in arms about this. Trump, to his credit, is leveling out the playing field. And this is all part and parcel of what you're talking about.

23:07 We've got 30 seconds left. Go ahead. I'll let you wrap it up. So I think as we approach 9-11, let's not lose sight of the fact of what our country, what the sacrifice of those brave men and women on 9-11. And we move further and further away from it. But try to understand that the principles that we held before 9-11 and where we were as a country, we've got to continue to return to that and understand that we need to preserve the American way of life. in the face of all the challenges that we're facing going forward. Well, he's with Landmark Legal, Mike O'Neill. Mike, thank you. Appreciate it. A website they can go to real quick to get caught up. Landmarklegal.org. You got it. We call ourselves ASAP Travel for one reason. We can help you book a ticket ASAP. For those of you that don't know, that means as soon as possible. That means no wait time. You get through right away. No searching online. Our specialty is the lowest available fares on the big name airlines. You know them. We can't tell you their names. You can fly domestically or internationally and save more money than you could if you called the airlines directly. Our proprietary software goes underneath the hood of the major airline booking systems and finds you the best rates available.

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27:16 And welcome back. Bill Martinez here, along with the Manhattan-based Fox News contributor and the one and only DeRoy Murdoch. Hey, DeRoy, how are we doing? I'm one and only. Thank you very much, Bill. Yeah, exactly. You are one and only. No doubt about it. I tell you, speaking of one and only, what is going on with your crazy mayor? I know I asked that, and it's almost a rhetorical question. Because you just wonder, when is this guy? Well, the fact of the matter is, he is what he is. And I don't know if you saw this, but I mean, here he's mocking the 9-11 victims. Gary Bauer reported on this when he signed two executive orders. And of course, you're still on the West Coast, and this is happening back. You see, when you're out of town, crazy stuff happens.

28:03 How do you get back there and get things to calm down? Exactly. I'm like the control rod inside the nuclear reactor. I'm not there, and the thing boils over. Exactly. Well, he signs two executive orders. You ready for this? Okay, big formal ceremony last week. And one order designated Friday, September the 11th, 2026, okay, as the day of remembrance and service, which is interesting, in recognition of the 25th anniversary of the 9-11 attacks, right? Well, he does the traditional, you know, when you sign, then you hand the pen off to, you know, the important people that were somewhere part of the legislation or the order and all that kind of deal. So he gives it to Commissioner Tisch. But he says, no, but pass it on. It's not for you. Pass it on to the guy next to you who happens to be Ramzi Qasem. All right. Now, you may not remember that name, but he was the one he's the mayor's chief legal counsel, by the way, number one. And he was also he also represented Ahmed al-Darby, an al-Qaeda terrorist. who was once held at Guantanamo Bay.

29:09 He also represented Mahmoud Khalil, the radical Islamist on a foreign student visa who led pro-Hamas demonstrations at Columbia University. So here it is. For 9-11, he honors this guy in front of God and everybody. And so what are you supposed to think about that? Yeah, look, I mean, you point out that this guy wasn't just some man who happened to be in the crowd who just got on stage and so happened to be there. This is I guess the big original sin was not what happened with the pen being handed to him after this September 11th ceremony, but this is the guy who Mamdani picked as basically the, you know, chief counsel for city hall is his attorney. So that was the big error, if you will, the big offense that took place back then. And, you know, everyone's entitled to have an attorney, I suppose, but I think you want to be careful about who it is you pick. You don't pick just any attorney. You pick somebody who you hope is somebody decent who people can admire whether they agree with him or not. And you go out and pick a guy who represented not one but two different Islamic extremists. And certainly to have something like that at an event tied to September 11th, you'd think somebody somewhere would have a sense of political sensitivity and think, you know, this is not the best look. Maybe invite a different lawyer or maybe tell that guy, go take the day off or tell the guy, why don't you find some terrorists and throw them in jail?

30:28 Either that or go meet me at my office and I'll put the pen in my pocket and I'll give it to you later. Yeah, if you're going to do that, slip it to them at 10 o'clock at night over a drink someplace or something like this. But what this has done is it's just created a huge black eye. I think the black eye is maybe felt in two ways. One is that the people whose loved ones were killed and murdered at the World Trade Center and also the Pentagon and elsewhere feel that they've got black eyes. And I think it's turned also a big black eye for– uh miramadami who's now got this to deal with what just a couple days before the 25th anniversary of that uh that massive atrocity so it's just created another uh headache for him another headache for the people who's who should be right now and are in fact mourning their loved ones who are now dead and not with them uh in 2977 of them to be precise and and then it's created one more controversy in which he finds himself totally stuck so this is a complete uh self-imposed error and something he should have avoided. And if he had any sense of sensitivity about this, I think he would have.

31:31 But my guess is he looks at somebody who represented members of Al-Qaeda and all that, that doesn't think there's anything unusual or wrong or something that ought to induce any sense of caution about this. Well, and he doesn't even care. I mean, he says, well, I'm still going to go to the memorial, the 25th anniversary at 9-11. And there's already been 100,000 plus signatures in on a petition telling him to stay away. They want nothing to do with him. I mean, and of course, this is on the heels of last year when he told the New York Times that 9-11 was a difficult day for New York City Muslims, too. Yeah, I'm sure that a tough day. Well, you know, there are a lot of people had a very, very tough day. It's a tough day for everybody. But, you know, again, having some some sense of part of it was he wasn't here. I don't believe he was certainly not a U.S.

32:19 citizen at the time. And I'm not even certain if he lived in this country at that time. He No, I don't think so. Fairly recent arrival in the United States. Uh, let's see, he's 33. He would have been eight years old. I don't think it was in the U S yet. I think it's still living in Uganda, if not mistaken. So, so that's, that's part of it. Uh, but, uh, uh, yeah, I don't think there's any, he needs to be able to demonstrate some sense of empathy and I don't see much of that. And, um, I think, you know, deep down, he's, uh, probably more, um, sympathetic to these people than he should be. And maybe more sympathetic to them than he is empathetic to them or, or, uh, hostile or negative towards these people, these monsters who killed these people who did nothing other than go to work and try to be productive and try to be decent members of society, and they end up being incinerated. Now, that's 2,977 killed on September 11th, plus many more people were injured immediately that day, and then you have other people, especially the brave first responders are down at Ground Zero trying to extract, in fact, extracting people from the rubble sometimes whole bodies, very often just small body parts. And those people subsequently went on to get all sorts of respiratory ailments, various unusual cancers, and all kinds of things. And if you add that up, it's not just around 3,000 victims. It goes up into the 5, 6, 7, maybe 10,000 range or something horrible like that.

33:37 Yeah. Plus you had 11, DeRoy, 11 women that were pregnant. So they're babies. And then going back to uh, 93, uh, when they attacked, uh, you know, you had that attack in 93, there was also a woman with a child. So you got 12 unborn children as a result of these terrorist activities that were murdered on that day. And the thing is the air deal, let me finish the rest of the statement. This is, this is incredible. Mom, Donnie talks about, he says that he claims it was the day we're talking about November 11th, 2001, uh, It was the day that Islamophobia became a fact of life, the day that many New Yorkers were marked as, quote unquote, other. Now, let's take a look at what he talks about in terms of Islamophobia and who's getting what.

34:27 All right. So here you've got a surge in all this hate and these hate crimes that are taking place in New York City. Right. Well, more than half of them, 54 percent, are committed against Jews and Only 6% of hate crimes are targeted towards Muslims. So how do you square out those statistics? Well, I don't think you can. And in fact, as somebody, I lived through September 11th myself. I live in New York City. I happened to be in New York City that day. I watched Mohammed Atta fly an American Airlines jet right. Over my apartment. I just happened to be sitting on the balcony. I thought, oh, that's weird. I guess they must be having mechanical trouble. I hope they make it to Newark airport, which I figured they were going. Of course they were heading for the, he was headed for the world trade center tower one, and he smacked into it about 15 seconds later and the rest is history. But the idea that we had this explosion of anti-Muslim Islamophobia and anti-Muslim viewpoints, et cetera, is that actually quite the opposite. I think I got a lot of thoughts thought, or I thought we might've seen this sort of thing happen. And in fact, people went out of their way to be accommodating towards Muslims to say, okay, well, you know, these awful people did this, but not every Muslim agrees.

35:38 Well, you know, George W. set that up. To go out and be as open-minded and tolerant and welcoming and warm towards Muslims as Americans could. And I think they've, in fact, suffered far, far less than you might have imagined under the circumstances. In fact, I think we may have gone completely the other direction, maybe too far in the sense that we thought, okay, well, you know, let's not have too much surveillance and let's make sure we don't have cops keeping an eye on this mosque where some suspicious activity is going on and that kind of thing. And as a consequence, I think a lot of people saw Islam and specifically fundamentalist Islam expanding its reach and its scope and its influence in this country far more than people would have imagined. So the idea that there was this big backlash against Muslims and Muslims were suffering, I just think is very much exaggerated and misses the mark. And as you say, a lot of the hate crimes that take place in this country are not anti-Muslims. but in fact, anti-Semitic acts of action.

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41:16 Bill Martinez here with the Manhattan-based Fox News contributor, Deroy Murdoch. Well, Deroy, yeah, I mean, here it is. I think, again, America, out of you and I have been talking about this for weeks, it seems, that because of our kindness and compassion, we end up leaving ourselves vulnerable to people who are far from being compassionate and kind. I think that's exactly right. You know, I don't think anybody wants to be in a situation where Muslims are just hunted down and attacked or beaten or killed or whatever it might be just because they're Muslims. That's not the American way. That's not the way it should happen. People should be free to practice the religion they wish. But if you have people over in this country, either people born here, people who have moved here, who are hostile to this country and want to hurt us, harm us, kill us, it's completely appropriate to defend ourselves against them.

42:05 And there are many instances where something has happened and immediately people say, oh, we don't think it's terrorism. There's no tie to Islam. And eventually we realize, oh, yeah, there is. So I think there has been an effort maybe in the name of compassion to look the other way at suspects in various crimes and so on and immediately try to throw some nice bright sunshine over them. So it's not there's no tie to Islamic terrorism. In fact, we learned down the road. Yes, in fact, there is. So that sort of thing, I think, can be I've heard the term lately suicidal empathy. I think there's some of that right happening in this country and much more. I think you see it a lot more in Europe. excuse me, even in the UK where you had this horrible situation where you had, uh, a city, I can't think of the name of it at the moment, but a city with a large Muslim population and they were basically raping young women. And, uh, the police said, well, don't, don't look at that. Let's not pay that attention. Look the other way. As these women are being raped. Um, you've got a situation in Germany where you had, um, uh, some sort of an, I think it was like a Christmas outdoor Christmas festival or winter festival of some kind and a bunch of Muslim, um, Immigrants went through the event and basically started sexually attacking the women in this particular place. And rather than say, oh, my God, this is awful. These people need to be rounded up. The effort was, well, let's not make the Muslims uncomfortable. So they covered that up and urged people not to report it and basically threw a big tarp over it so nobody could see this happening. All these guys were doing was going in and basically trying to put this as

43:38 politely as possible. helping themselves to these women and groping and getting their hands in places where they shouldn't have been. Let's put it that way. And again, any sensible civilization would say, you do this to our women or our men or our little boys or little girls, whatever it may be, and you attack them in that fashion, any fashion, especially a sexual fashion. And we're going to expose you. We're going to pick you up. And if you're from out of this country, we're going to kick you out of here. If you're from this country, we're probably going to put you in jail for a while. And the response instead was, OK, don't look there. There's nothing to see. Everyone look away. Let's cover up for these people. And that thing, all that does is encourage more people to do this sort of thing and lower the society's resistance to this kind of an infection. And that's what it is.

44:20 So I think we I think you're correct that I think in many respects we overcompensated and treated our society and a lot of Western civilization as insufficiently cautious or insufficiently vigilant. against militant Islam. And unfortunately, what is happening in Europe doesn't stay in Europe. It goes across the Atlantic. It comes into the country. I mean, the other thing to me that's very disgusting was the story of that young man. I believe it was in England, DeRoy. He was stabbed by a Muslim and the police came in and arrested the non-Muslim, put him in handcuffs while he's bleeding out. And he dies with handcuffs on. And it was the Muslim who stabbed him. And, you know, and so here it is. All because of, you know, hate speech, a protected class. And immediately, you know, the Muslim's innocent. And you're letting the, you know, the victim, who is the real victim, you know, bleed out and die at your footsteps. because of this protected class status that they have there. So all this is very dangerous.

45:39 This is why, again, our First Amendment right is so critical in our country, because it protects us, it saves us, right? Yeah, well, you're talking about one side of the coin, which is this instant reflex that if there's a conflict between a Muslim and a white person, that the Muslim's the victim and the white person is the perpetrator because of, let's all say together, white supremacy. And so, as you say, in the UK, you had this young man walking down the street. He was, for whatever reason, attacked by this Muslim, and he was on the ground bleeding. I think it was not evident. I think that he had a jacket covering up, so you didn't see the blood gushing out. And he said to the cop, this guy just tried to knife me. This guy just knifed me. I'm bleeding.

46:21 And the cop's response was basically, I don't believe you. If they're too Muslim and a white Christian or white non-Muslim, fighting it must be the white Muslim, non-Muslim who's attacking the Muslim. And so this guy's lying. So rather than get him an ambulance and try to treat him, he put him in handcuffs. And the guy said, I'm bleeding. He said, I don't think you're bleeding. You're lying. And the guy, in fact, bled to death. This is probably about six months ago in the UK. And the guy, the Muslim, in fact, was the guy who had the knife. And he's the one who attacked the white non-Muslim. And that guy's now dead. And the Muslim's alive and well. So this is just a very small microcosm. of this problem where we, in these conflicts, we see the Muslims as, oh, the poor Muslim is suffering. He's a victim. Isn't that sad?

47:02 And the white guy, obviously, is the vicious, racist, white nationalist, white supremacist who is trying to impose himself on the Muslim and oppress him or colonialize him, to use the term a lot of white people use. And yeah, this is just a small example of this. And we've seen this entire attitude just metastasized since September 11th to the huge detriment of innocent people in the Western world and to the detriment, I think, of Western civilization overall. Well, I got to tell you, the psychology of the West is being stretched. And if you think not, all you have to do is study a little bit the Lindsay Clancy case and what went on here. And to the point where you've got her attorney asking Donald Trump to render a pardon, which this guy's an attorney. He should know better. Donald Trump has no jurisdiction.

47:59 Well, that's a good point. This is a state crime, not a federal crime. So President Trump could not issue a pardon even if he wanted to. He could certainly get on his soapbox and say, be nice to Lindsay and let her go and make her the mayor or something like this. I don't think that's going to happen, thankfully. But boy, the sheer chutzpah of this attorney not to take the mistrial and say, okay, we're going to prepare for another trial and defend her when that's his job as her attorney, but to stand up and say, oh, hey, she should get a pardon. He actually said during his closing remarks that she was a model mother. Oh my God, how could he say that? It's amazing. And I started paying, I'm out here visiting my parents, my sisters and friends out here in Southern California. So I've had a bit of free time to watch TV in the evenings and watch some of the coverage of this trial and the repercussions afterwards. I came to this story kind of late, but I've just been appalled at this story of this woman who took her three little kids, took them down to the basement, took elastic stretch bands that you see people use at the gym, put them around their necks and squeezed them so hard that according to Nancy Grace, the legal commenter, their already small necks are even smaller as a result of how hard she stretched to kill them. And it wasn't like these cases you may have heard of where some mom is driving around and she drives the kid or drives into a lake and they drown. And this all happens very quickly.

49:22 This happened very slowly, very methodically, killed one kid. And then they said about two minutes. It was about a two minute process. Correct. And then rather found the next kid, strangled the next kid in the basement. And then the third one, I think, tried to escape. And so she had to chase the kid down, bring the kid down to the basement. and then strangle it. So these are three specific acts. And you think at some point she'd say, oh my God, what am I doing? I got to stop this. And maybe one of the kids is killed, but the other two are spared or two out of three are killed and one is alive. No, they're all three dead. And supposedly she had postpartum depression and she was depressed and mentally ill. And so for a thing, we should let her go. Well, she was somehow, even though it was allegedly, supposedly from her claim, mentally ill, she was mentally clear enough to send her husband off on some errands. So he would be gone long enough to be out of the house for an hour, hour and a half, whatever it is, however much time she needed to go out and to stay home and kill the kids while the husband was not around to keep them alive. And she apparently did a Google search to figure out how long it would take to go from her home to whatever this destination was she sent him and how long it would take for this person, for her husband to come back.

50:34 So we're to believe that she's so mentally ill that she'd kill her kids at the same time she's got the mental alertness and mental capacity to sit down and plot this, this multiple homicide. And one of the things that bothers me a lot about the coverage of this story is we heard a lot about, about Lindsay and all the drugs she's taking. And the poor woman has heard a voice and so on. So I heard not a word of sympathy about the father. Oh my gosh. Poor man coming home from picking up food or whatever the errands were that his wife asked him to do opens the door. Apparently he's got little kids expects here, a lot of noise and, kids running around and screaming and playing, which is what little kids do. She's out. She's outside. She already threw herself out the window.

51:14 She threw herself out the window. He sees her on the ground. She's bleeding and she's, you know, so yeah, go ahead. Yeah. And so, and then he goes inside and doesn't hear anything. And he goes down to the basement and sees that is his three little children are dead and they've been strangled by his wife. Wow. Now, independent of whatever you may think about, about Lindsay, think about what's going through his head. Obviously complete shock. Deep depression as children are killed. Probably a combination of depression, horror, and rage that this was perpetrated by his wife, who admits that there's no question of whether she's innocent. She admits that this happened. And what's this guy thinking? And by the way, he obviously, again, was out of the house doing these errands, which is why Lindsay had the time and the opportunity to kill her children. So he will go forever until the day he dies, thinking to himself, What if I come home earlier? What if I skip the errands and stayed there? What if I ordered the food or products or whatever it is in rather than go out and pick them up? My kids would be alive today. This poor man is going to have this tremendous weight of guilt on his head, which I think he's 100% blameless in this, but I'm sure he's blaming himself for this, and he will until he dies. He's going to carry this weight around on his back for probably another 30 or 40 or 50 years.

52:28 Well, you know, he's since remarried, you know, and he has a child with a new wife. And I mean, I'm like you. I'm thinking, oh, my gosh. I mean, I'd be so paranoid about it. You bet. Absolutely. I'm sure every time, again, he's remarried. Good for him. He's got another kid. I'm sure every time he walks out the front door, he thinks, you know, is my wife going to kill the next kid, right? And so, again, I'm waiting. I keep watching these people on TV talking about this case, and I don't hear any word of, concern or sympathy or empathy or even acknowledgement of what the father's going through. So I think this is, I don't know if that's some sort of an inbred anti-male view or there's a man involved, he must be the bad guy or maybe they're so concerned about Lindsay they don't talk about him. But I just think somebody somewhere, and maybe I'm the first one to do it, has got to step up and say, oh my God, I can't believe what the father's going through.

53:17 I wish him the best in this horrible situation and I feel nothing but deep, deep empathy for him and hope he's able to get through this horrible situation as best he possibly can. Well, I hear Mazie Hirono yelling in the background saying, you guys need to sit down and shut up. You know, so we are invalidated. Males have no participation in the culture and in family life, according to Mazie Hirono. Just, you know, all of a sudden I flashed back on that statement. Even if you've got three dead children in the middle. Of it all. Exactly. Well, we got to leave it there for now. DeRoy, thank you as always. Appreciate the time. DeRoy Murdoch, the Manhattan-based Fox News contributor. Thank you, DeRoy. Take care. You bet, Bill. I'll talk to you soon. Thanks.

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55:30 Brother Bill, good to see you again. I hope you had a good one. Yeah, it was a good one. It was nice and peaceful, just the way we like to have it. And, you know, because we had to not look at what's happening in our country, and I had to just kind of take a breather because... I've been increasingly concerned, and the evidence that you've got to share with us tells me that my concern is not without justification. No, it's well-founded. I mean, the new survey, we're looking at people's beliefs about humanity, you know, the natural, and then we also compare that to their beliefs about the supernatural, looking at God and different spirits and so forth. And it's not a pretty picture. I mean, the Belief in the God of the Bible continues to drop. We're about half the country being there now. When we look at what we think about humanity, we don't have the same picture of humanity that God does, that's for sure. That's for sure, yeah. Yeah, so we went through seven questions in each of those areas, the natural and supernatural. Found that, by and large, in only one case for the natural and in one case out of the seven for the supernatural, do people have a biblical perspective on those issues? So it's getting worse. And when we look at it generationally, continuing the pattern we've been seeing for years now, the younger you get, the less likely they are to have a biblical perspective on almost no matter what topic you're talking about. So that's disturbing. But we're even finding that

57:04 the group that pastors call the backbone of the local church, theologically identified born-again Christians, even that group is loosening their grip on biblical perspectives, and they're more likely now to be taking on worldly perspectives. You know, I mean, we're at a place where three out of four of the theologically identified born-agains say that people are basically good, which, of course, is a complete misunderstanding of Scripture, which says, no, no, no, no, no, you're sinners. That's why Jesus had to die, because you're not good. If you were good, you could save yourself. You're not so good. Get over it. Yeah. And Jesus wouldn't have had to go through all that he went.

57:47 Through, right? Yeah. Painful stuff, illegal stuff, murderous stuff. I mean, no matter how you want to put it, it was not good, except in the outcome for us if we understand it and embrace it and work with it. But Americans are, and forgive me for saying this, but I mean, we're so full of ourselves that we think we're the solution to everything. When in point of fact, no matter how far back you go in history, what you find is those people who realize, no, we can't make it work on our own. And we're not meant to. The whole idea of God creating us, and this is one of the things we looked at in this survey, universal purpose.

58:30 Why did God make us? He made us to know, love, and serve Him with all our heart, mind, strength, and soul. But we're not buying that. We're thinking He made us so that we can take over, we can make all the big decisions, we can fix everything that we've broken, and everything's going to be all right. And unfortunately, it's just not like that. Do you realize, Bill, that only one out of three adults in America believe that the universal purpose for humanity is to love God with all our heart, mind, strength, and soul? One out of three Americans believe And, you know, for a while in human history, America was the shining light spiritually. But I think that light has been getting dimmer. and dimmer and dimmer. At least the research shows that.

59:13 Yeah. We need another George Whitefield, perhaps George, you know. I'd take it. I'd love it. Yeah. I don't know if he'd still want to go on horseback given the condition of the country, but man, we could use that heart, that mind and that soul that he brought to the, to the process. Well, and sometimes, you know, and I understand this is disconcerting and it's worrying, but God is still in control. He's still on the throne. And the thing is, humanity has passed this road before and has been at this intersection. And, of course, we know what happens. I mean, because God has always said, look, I'll give you a choice. You know, if you will turn from your wicked ways.

59:53 All right. And turn to me, you know, I will hear. I'll begin to hear. Right now, many people are, let's just say, a remnant of those with faith are wondering if God is hearing anymore because he's just had it with this arrogance, like you said, because this is all, this all points back to the original sin, right, George? Absolutely. And I think you bring up a couple of really key points, one of which you use the word remnant. One of my favorite words coming out of scripture is, Because, you know, a lot of people will come up to me and say, oh my gosh, George, you've been doing this for so long. How can you not be depressed? It's like, well, don't make assumptions, okay? It does get depressing.

1:00:35 But then when I go back in his word and I see that every time that he transformed the culture, what he did was he gathered up those people who were totally sold out to him. They wanted nothing but what God wanted and they're willing to do anything to get it. And he took that group, the remnant, and then... He sliced it into just a fraction of the total. And then with that small, small group, he changed the culture. And the important lesson to me, a sociologist, a research guy, I'm always looking at the numbers and say, oh, no, we've got a minority. God only used minorities of the people to change any culture. So it doesn't, the raw numbers don't matter. What I'm more interested, frankly, are the trends.

1:01:22 Are we moving toward him or away from him? Because as a follower of Christ, that gives me a better understanding of what we need to do, how urgent it is, how much of our resource base we need to pour into that as quickly as possible. So that's one key thing. You know, the other word that you mentioned that I think is so critical, Bill, is repentance. Because as I've been doing research over the last two or three years on discipleship, worldview, those types of things, One thing I've discovered is that Americans, when they hear about the gospel, they hear about how they can get saved, but they don't hear or they don't attend to that part that talks about repentance. And when you ask them, well, what do you think repentance is? Ah, feeling sorry. No, I mean, that's part of it. That's a good start. But you're basically at the starting line there. Repentance means to turn around.

1:02:21 And so in the context of our behavior, what it means is whatever has caused us to sin, whatever's caused us, in other words, to break God's heart, to break his rules, which he gave us for our own good. Well, repentance means I'm not going to do that anymore. I'm going to go back and do what God called me to do. I'm going to do the opposite, go the opposite direction, a turnaround of what I had been doing because my desire is to honor God, to please God, to satisfy God. And when I do that, that will bring fulfillment to my life. You have to know God. When you know God, then you begin to reconcile God's character and his personality with your behavior. And the contrast is so glaring, George, that, you know, you're like Moses at the burning bush or Isaiah, who is revealed who God is. And he says, I'm toast.

1:03:21 And the toast is getting darker every day in America. You know, I hope we lighten up on that, you know, burn lever. But, I mean, even simple things. This is what really concerns me so much. For probably 40 years now, I've been asking people about Jesus Christ. And one of the things that we've consistently discovered is that we understand so little of the biblical narrative that Two out of three Americans believe that when Jesus was on earth, he sinned. And when you talk about knowing God, Jesus, of course, being God, it's like, well, how much more of a red flag do you have to wave to say, no, I don't think you know the real God. Because Jesus, by his very nature, was incapable of sin. And he came here to take away our sin. That's the only sin he ever had. was the sin of ours that he took away.

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1:09:27 Here we are, about ready to turn 250 years of age and only half of adults hold a biblical view of God. And it's amazing the journey of 250 years because when it all began, You know, I mentioned Whitefield in, you know, a great movie, you know, An Awakening, about Whitefield and Benjamin Franklin. And what happened? I mean, here Whitefield comes to the colonies and visits the colonies, what, seven times, the different colonies? And he's taking the message, you know, throughout that people needed to repent. And I believe that was all part of, you know, God's hand in America to kind of, you know, churn up the ground and get ready for to receive the key message, the key message of freedom. And like anything, when you are countering the culture, especially with something as big as freedom, George, that's going to come with a cost. It's not going to be just, hey, let's just throw a party and put on a funny hat and get some whistles and blow and celebrate here. I mean, the colonists had to be prepared to love God so much that they would be willing to put it all on the line for the sake of freedom which I believe ultimately what God wants for all his creation.

1:10:52 And there's an interesting analogy there too, I think, in that when you look at what we are in essence, which is spiritual beings who are made to know, love, and serve God, well, then really the most important freedom, our freedom in America is incredible. I mean, there's never been anything like it and thank the Lord for it, but it pales in comparison to the spiritual freedom that we get by Jesus paying that same kind of cost that you're talking about, that the colonists had to pay in the Revolutionary War and before and after that, a lot of, you know, hurt, a lot of pain, a lot of suffering, a lot of sacrifice. What do you think Jesus did on that cross for us? What do you think he did by having to come down to earth, for goodness sakes, for 33 years and endure us imbeciles, you know, running around, not understanding what he's talking about, not getting what we're watching when we see him do miracles and heal people and love people and, you know, exhort people, all the things that he did to show us the way. Well, yeah, you're absolutely right. There is a cost to freedom. And one of the things that I think contemporary Americans, at least the research shows, gloss over is the fact that somebody paid the biggest price for us. All we have to do is keep making tiny payments on that. to maintain that freedom. And we're not even willing to do that. We feel so entitled

1:12:23 that that's my birthright. I should have that freedom. I shouldn't have to do anything to maintain it. It's like, well, maybe everything comes at a cost. And so you better count the cost and get out your pocketbook and pay the piper because that's what we have to do. And as Christians, we have the added responsibility, but the added privilege... of bringing other people into that understanding. We are that light in the darkness of our culture, but man, we got to shine more brightly than we've been. I don't mean to put a guilt trip on anybody, but time is of the essence. We're here for such a time as this. I don't know how much more time we've got left. I don't want to stand before God when I'm waiting to hear him say, well done, good and faithful servant. And he says, You lazy so-and-so. What were you doing? What were you thinking? Couldn't you see? I've got research. Other people have other indicators that all point in the same direction, that America is moving farther from God rather than more urgently, tightly, and deeply toward him.

1:13:26 That's exactly what we need to be doing. As we come to July 4th, Independence Day, praise God that we're in America and we get to enjoy the freedoms that we have. But man, let's never forget that those freedoms pale in comparison to the eternal freedom that Jesus Christ gave to us through that cross. And the response, George, starts with us, each individual, because for the sake of, you know, our families, you know, our marriages, we may be the one. And if we're the one carrying the cross for the family, then so be it. That's what has to be done. Otherwise, we're going to end up at that. You know, like the end of, if you remember the end of Schindler's List, when Schindler is there and he's realizing how many people he saved and how many more he could have saved, even if he had given up a gold watch. You know, today in America, are we willing to give up a gold watch for the sake of our kids?

1:14:25 A couple of things come to mind. Again, going into the research, different study. I'm working on a book now on disciple making. And one of the things that, you know, people have to understand is you can only reproduce who you are. So who's going to make disciples? Existing disciples. But then when I study the existing disciples, what I see is that a large share of them are doing nothing to disciple other people. And then everybody stands around and wonders, well, why isn't the church growing? Why isn't the church healthy? Well, the people who have the privilege of being a follower of Jesus are And loving that and knowing that it's significant. They get that. But what many of them aren't getting is, but how do you think other people are going to get there? You know, you've got to invest the time in them. It's a relationship.

1:15:17 And in the same way, when I look at this current research report, one of the things that we discovered about the relationship with God is that most Americans admit they don't actually have a living, real relationship. interactive, central relationship with God. Even though it's always going to be a work in progress, we're never going to be there, you know, until we reach heaven. But short of that time, I mean, we've really got to invest ourselves in that relationship and not put all the burden on God and say, well, you know, you're the powerful one. You're the omnipresent one. You make it happen. No, that's not how a relationship works.

1:15:57 It's a two-part deal. You do your part. I'll do my part. And together we're going to grow. We're going to love. We're going to learn. We're going to live. That's how that works. And my fear is that the American church has gotten so lazy, church capital C, that we're not investing enough. We've been seduced by the world. We've been taken over by the culture. We're being influenced by the media. And all of that is dragging us away from God himself. And we're not kicking and then screaming and, you know, fighting that. with all we've got, we've got to get back to God. He is our only hope. Well, exactly right, George, because this is, we are failing to know God and that breaks off the relationship. This is our source. I mean, we're not connected to the vine and look at the fruit that's being demonstrated here.

1:16:49 And it's not, look at, this is for self-evaluation. I mean, if you're in prayer with God, if you're in his word, if you are continuing to build that relationship, if you can say that you're closer to God this year than you were last year, I think that's a good thing. That's good. Yeah. I mean, you look for movement. It's going to be incremental movement. You're not going to go from 1 to 10 in a week. If you go from 1 to 1.2 in a week, wow, that's good. All right, you're moving in the right direction. But one of the things I see, Bill, in this research is that most Americans do not believe that Satan is real. And most of them do not believe that the Holy Spirit is real. And this is the helper that God has sent to us to make those incremental gains. And so because we don't have that relationship with him, we don't understand these spiritual dynamics. We're not open to the Holy Spirit coming and inhabiting us, literally. And, you know, some people talk, well, my conscience, you know, it's on my conscience. Well, that's the Holy Spirit, man. I mean, you know, Put these things together and begin to understand when you allow the Holy Spirit to inhabit you and to lead you and you learn the voice. And so you start listening more carefully. That's incremental steps. So, you know, each of us needs to be constantly reevaluating our spiritual lives, trying to figure out what can we do to get deeper in that relationship with God. And so if you

1:18:21 sent me a helper, let me work with the helper. The helper knows where we're supposed to go. Right. Well, yeah, because here we are, George. I mean, we're body, mind, and spirit. We're spiritual beings. We ignore that part to our own demise. Jesus said, I have to leave that the Holy Spirit would come to lead you, to continue to guide you in truth and wisdom. And the thing is, is that I think most Christians, most Bible-believing Christians believe that still believe in God understand that the battle that we're in right now is a spiritual battle. So how do you fight a spiritual battle without spiritual weaponry? Can't do it. Can't do it. You know, and part of it too, Bill, you know, I mean, one of the things that blows me away in the study we found that Only one out of four Americans believe that human life is sacred. So we're in this weird place where we're arrogant, we're selfish, we're full of ourselves. And yet we don't believe that our lives are given to us by God and sacred because it's his gift. It's his special creation. We're made in his image for his purposes.

1:19:34 So we're so confused. You know, and you and I have talked about our worldview research in the past and the fact that we're syncretists. That's the reigning worldview in America, which is where you just pull a little bit from Marxism, a little bit secular humanism. Give me some of that postmodernism. Ooh, this Eastern mystical stuff looks good. I'll take a little bit of Bible, you know, and you put it all together, you mash it up and you've got your own custom worldview. But the problem with that is that it leaves us terribly confused about what's right, what's wrong, what's real, what's false. what's deceptive, what's accurate. And so, you know, we've got to go back to the one place that's always true, always real, always relevant, always reliable, God's word. So get back in his word. Let him show you the way.

1:20:23 Let the Holy Spirit guide you down that path. Learn to listen to the voice so that you're making better decisions every day. You're not going to hit a thousand, you know, right out of the first game. You know, you're probably going to strike out four times, but that's okay. Maybe you hit a few foul balls. Next day, maybe you're going to hit a grounder. Day after that, maybe a single. Who knows? You know, but you got to grow. Yeah, exactly. Well, George, as we wrap things up, where can people go, you know, plug in? I mean, this is some great research. I mean, this is really, in so many ways, mind-blowing, but it's also a call. It is. And I mean, you know, they can get it a couple places. They can go to culturalresearchcenter.com. or they can go to georgebarna.com. We've got all the reports in both places.

1:21:08 You can download them for free. But the important thing is read them, think about them, pray about them, and most importantly, do something about it, whether it's in your own life spiritually so that you grow, or maybe it's other people that you can help to grow. Particularly if you're a disciple, recognize your responsibility to be discipling others all the time. The only way we're gonna grow the kingdom is if we put the footwork in. You know, we do the sweat equity here to help build it. God will help us along the way as we demonstrate that heart. But we've got to make that step. That's the key first step to do, right? It really is. Yeah. You know, go back to James. You know, God's not looking for, you know, people who listen and give a cent.

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1:26:28 Thank you for having me, Bill. Well, we're going to talk about AFib. You know, a lot of people are familiar with that term, atrial fibrillation. It is the most common cardiac arrhythmia, also known as an irregular heartbeat. It occurs when the upper chambers of the heart beat in an uncontrolled manner. The condition is currently on the rise, affecting more than 55 million people globally. Why is it on the rise? So thanks for having me on the show, Bill. So AFib, as you mentioned, is a very common heart rhythm disorder. The top chambers of the heart start to beat erratically. It's on the rise with over 55 million people globally having the condition. And mainly it's on the rise because of a variety of different risk factors that patients are developing.

1:27:08 We have an aging population. Patients are eating healthy. Patients are becoming more overweight. These are all things or risk factors that are trending and causing their incidence of AFib to increase. What about the symptoms? What should we be on the lookout for? So the symptoms can be a variety of different things. Heart palpitations, feeling of heart skipping beats, fatigue, tiredness, feeling short of breath, dizziness, difficulty in exercising. These can all lead to symptoms that interfere with your daily life. And if left untreated, it can actually lead to serious complications such as heart failure or even having a stroke. So that's why early action and early intervention and treatment of AFib is very important because AFib is a progressive condition.

1:27:54 The longer you wait to treat it, the more difficult it becomes to get you back in normal rhythm. So prompting early referral to a cardiac electrophysiologist, which is a cardiologist that deals with the electrical issues of the heart, has some special training in management of heart rhythm disorders, is very important so that they can properly diagnose, manage, and treat the condition. Well, Dr. Arfod Khan is a board-certified electrophysiologist, or EP. It's a specialized cardiologist who focuses on the heart's electrical system, as he was just mentioning. This is AFib Awareness Month, and Dr. Khan, thank you so much for coming on to address these issues, because left untreated, as you say, AFib can increase your risk for serious complications, including Five times the risk of heart failure?

1:28:40 That's absolutely right. And patients that have heart failure, not getting a catheter ablation procedure done for AFib can actually lead to decrease in your longevity. So that's why it's very important to seek treatment early for the condition. Well, the other statistics include twice the risk of stroke, twice the risk of sudden cardiac death And one and a half times the risk of cognitive impairment or dementia. I mean, clearly, you know, here it is. The warning signs, you know, the caution is laid out. And Dr. Kahn, you're here to say, look, this is something that needs to be treated seriously and with immediacy, right? Absolutely. And like I said, because the importance of treating it early is because it's a progressive condition. The longer you're in atrial fibrillation, the more difficult it is to manage it.

1:29:29 they're more difficult to get you out of it. That's why early intervention leads to actually improved outcomes and better patient results. Can you talk about the options for AFib? So there are many treatment options available. Catheter ablation is a safe, effective, minimally invasive procedure. And if you go into the patient's heart and target the abnormal electrical signals, helping restore the patient's heart back in normal rhythm. It's a minimally invasive procedure. Many patients go home that same day and are basically able to get back to the normal activities within a week of after the procedure is completed. In my practice, I use the CARDO mapping system, which is basically a 3D advanced electroanatomical mapping system, which has advanced technologies, which I'm able to, through that system, reconstruct the patient's anatomy of their heart, and also helps me localize where these faulty signals are coming from, allowing me to tailor therapies individually for each specific patient, giving better patient results and better outcomes. And again, you know, it's very important to understand that 55 million people across the globe are affected with atrial fibrillation, yet only 5% of eligible patients that are eligible for a catheter ablation procedure are actually getting it. So with September being AFib Awareness Month, I think it's very important to increase the awareness in the general population to seek treatment early and seek treatment with an electrophysiologist for AFib.

1:30:56 Dr. Khan, what drew you to this discipline? You know, helping patients, helping people, I think is very gratifying. And I think that's something that was instilled in me early in my life. And there's no better way of doing that than becoming a doctor. Well, certainly, and I appreciate that. But, you know, for you as a doctor, you've seen the, you know, the innovation and the development, as you said, just what you just explained so casually about mapping someone's heart. I mean. This is like decades of science and testing and everything that's gone into this. I mean, this just has to be so gratifying for you.

1:31:37 Oh, 100%. You know, there's nothing more gratifying than having a patient that comes into your office that is worried and scared about this condition and giving them hope, giving them a plan, you know, giving them confidence and putting their, you know, concerns at ease and being able to provide a therapy that can actually help them and get them back in normal rhythm. Well, we have a couple of minutes left here and we've got to let you go reluctantly because I really appreciate this. But I think it's good to summarize this being AFib Awareness Month, the signs that we need to be on the lookout for and that we need to move with immediacy if any of these signs show up.

1:32:17 Go ahead and just let's review and summarize what we just shared with the audience. Yeah. So in summary, AFib is a very common heart rhythm disorder. If you have symptoms of fatigue, palpitations, symptoms that is something different than you for outside of your normal routine, seek care and seek care early with a cardiac electrophysiologist because there are therapies out there. So there's a catheter ablation procedure which can help correct the underlying condition. And to learn more about the condition, Johnson & Johnson actually has a very nice website called GetSmartAboutAFib.com in which you can go on. There's a lot of patient educational videos. There's patient testimonials. There's even a questionnaire that if you fill out, if you have AFib, it will tell you whether or not you're a candidate for a catheter ablation procedure.

1:33:02 Well, excellent. Dr. Khan, again, we're grateful for the time and the information that you've shared with our audience. Stay well. Take care. Thank you very much. You got it. Well, our thanks once again to Dr. Arafat Khan reminding us not to ignore that irregular heartbeat. It's a common heart condition, one of the world's most common heart conditions around. So, You know, we just need to listen to what our heart is trying to tell us, right? Hey, by the way, you can download our show, Bill Martinez Live, on Apple and Spotify, Amazon, anywhere that you download your podcast. All available, Bill Martinez Live, on all these outlets so that you can hear the show at your convenience. Anytime, even though we air live from 9 to 11, Monday through Friday. Hey, anytime possible. Anytime at night, anytime over the weekend, just download and enjoy it to your heart's content. We've got more coming up right after this.

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1:38:30 That's right. I think they recognize that at least for a foreseeable future, the salad days have come and gone. And the quick transition that they had envisioned the transition from fossil fuels to quote-unquote clean energy. The pathway seemed all set for that. The regulations were in place. The subsidies had been duly handed out to eager recipients, and it was just going to be a matter of time before out went oil and natural gas, and in came wind turbines and solar panels. Well, it turns out that the world's a bit more complicated than that. There are all sorts of problems associated with transition. In fact, I think we can safely say that there is no transition whatsoever.

1:39:30 It is true that more wind energy And more solar energy are being produced today than 5, 10, 15 years ago. But it's not replacing fossil fuels or nuclear or hydro. It's simply adding to it. But at the same time, we are producing more fossil fuels than ever before, particularly in the United States. And as a result, globally, fossil fuels still account for already 86% of all the energy that is produced. 86%. That's about the same as what it was 30 years ago. And so nothing has changed.

1:40:19 And as we look around the world and we see those parts of the world where the transition has quote unquote taken place, what have been the results? Let's go to Europe. Countries in European Union, including Britain in this case, derive 34% of their electricity from wind and solar with a result that Europe has far and away the highest energy prices in the world. And that's without ice and air conditioning, Bonner. That's exactly right. Right. Per kilowatt hour, electricity costs three times as much in Germany as it does in the United States. And remember, the American figure is somewhat inflated because you have places like California and New York and Washington and Oregon and what have you that bumped that up.

1:41:24 If you were to compare that with, say, Texas or Florida or Tennessee, it would be probably four times as much. Well, the point is Europe's economy cannot compete globally. If the Europeans, particularly in their manufacturing, are having to pay so much for electricity, So they have been engaging in unilateral disarmament through decarbonization, which actually translates to deindustrialization. Exactly. What are they going to do with AI? I mean, they can't even really consider AI, can they?

1:42:04 No, they can't. They're being left out of the AI race. Because putting a data center in Europe, where are you going to get the electricity? So what I think this is going to mean is Europe is going to have to, to the extent that it uses AI at all, it's going to have to piggyback on what is being done in the United States and elsewhere, simply because they don't have the electricity. that will enable them to have their own access to artificial intelligence. And this is something they haven't begun to come to terms with.

1:42:50 Well, and of course, they're, you know, they're hamstrung because of their connection. And, you know, they're just so connected to the European Union. Of course, Britain is not, but all the other European nations are. And so this really retards the process for them, doesn't it? Yes, it does. And even though Britain is no longer in the European Union, on its own, it has adopted policies that differ very little from what is going on on the continent, with the result that Britain's industries are every bit as uncompetitive as those on the European continent, be they in Germany and France or what have you.

1:43:34 Britain has now at long last decided, well, you know, we may be able to use that North Sea oil after all. So they have lifted some of the restrictions on that and intend to go after that, not that they should ever have abandoned it to begin with. But at the same time, the green ideology has such a grip on Britain but they're still putting up wind turbines. They're still putting up solar panels. In other words, the change there isn't going to be that much. As a result, the continent is just becoming geopolitically and in terms of economically, it's becoming more irrelevant with each passing day.

1:44:25 Well, and it's probably, you know, you think about this, Bonner, it's probably why they're cheering on what's going on in Iran right now, right? Because this favors them. Yeah, it does in the short term. I think they're ultimately going to have to come to terms, however, with however Iran, the whole thing in Iran ends, if what the Trump administration is now doing. instead of seeking some sort of out-and-out military victory, which they fear will involve putting boots on the ground. Nobody wants to do that after the experience in Iraq and Afghanistan. But rather, you can carry out a severe form of economic war against Iran and bring them to their knees. Now, whether that will happen or not, we'll see. And if it does, how quickly? Will it be in three weeks or three years?

1:45:20 Nobody knows. Right. The other thing too, Bonner, I'm just thinking that in terms of the pressure that they're putting on Iran, like you said, we don't know how fast or how slow this could take. You're dealing with a death cult. For them, this is an issue of life and death, not to mention some religious fervor that involves Islam as well. Because they're believing that you know, they're holding out for their Mahdi and they feel like where they are right now, it is offering that opportunity for the Mahdi to come back.

1:46:01 And so till death do them part. That's right. I mean, their goal right now against tremendous odds against the U.S. is simply survival because there's really no place for For the hundreds of thousands of IRGC people, you talk about secret police, right? What have you? Where are they going to go? They're not going to retire to Florida or Texas or Tennessee. Some of them may be able to escape to Russia, but there's probably an upper limit in Russia, unless, of course, they're willing to go to Ukraine and be used as cannon fodder there, which has probably occurred to some Russian generals eager for manpower.

1:46:49 Outside of that, there's a real problem with these people. They have no place to go. And the Arab states, the Gulf Arab states, don't want them at all. Exactly. Yeah. Any more than they want Hamas, right? That's right. Exactly. So they have real incentive to hang on as long as they possibly can. They hope they can wait out Trump. But that's something over which they don't have that much control. If the economy completely collapses, a big if. But if it does. And absolutely nothing in Iran works. Who's to say what will happen? We have seen these things happen before. When the Shah's government collapsed 47 years ago, the same kind of thing could happen there. What will follow it is anyone's guess. But to be sure, we have seen for the last time Iran's using of the Strait of Hormuz, because the Gulf states are simply making, shall we say, they're making other plans. They're going to get their oil.

1:47:59 They're going to send it out over pipelines. They're never going to allow themselves to be put in a position where they are dependent on the goodwill of whoever happens to be in power in Tehran for the export of their oil and natural gas. Well, the other thing that America is doing, which I think is prudent, and it's leadership by Donald Trump, Trump, and that is that, you know, some people would just go and just blow the holy what have you out of Iran. And then you got a, you know, trillion dollar price tag to rebuild. And Donald Trump is trying to hold together as much as possible to the infrastructure so that there's reasonable minimal damage that you can have all things considered with all the targets that they've been doing.

1:48:45 But I think people, and this is something that they're not reporting on. Of course, they're not going to, right? Yeah, that's right. They don't want to walk into the same situation that we found ourselves confronted with at the end of World War II when we were the occupying power in Japan and in Germany. And we were occupying a lot of rubble. And that's not what we want. We don't want to have to go back and do all of that over again. So as you said, we want to leave as much of the infrastructure there in place as possible. No saturation bombing of residential areas or anything like that. Because after all, these are the people we want to liberate, not with our soldiers, but with other forces that we think can be brought to bear to rid that country and the world of the mullahs in Tehran. Again, we don't know whether it's going to work, but that is one of the reasons, while we're not contrary to what Trump said, we're going to bomb the hell out of them. We're going to bomb the hell out of certain parts of the country, but big chunks of it, we are leaving intact on purpose.

1:49:55 Well, hopefully this economic pressure, like you said, Bonner, is something that can work effectively. you know, quickly. That would be in the best interest, I believe, for all concerned. We got to leave it there. Dr. Bonner Cohen, the Senior Policy Analyst for the Committee for a Constructive Tomorrow. Thank you, Bonner. Take care. Thank you, Bill. Everything is expensive right now. Gas, food, you name it. You're spending more. You are making the same or less money. So what do you do? You rack up credit card debt. That's what you do. It's not your fault. It's the economy. And guess what? If you rack up too much credit card debt like some of us, you can't pay your bills. Then the credit card companies, as nice as they are, start hounding you for money. Then you start your downward spiral. A smart thing for you to do is to call the Zero Debt. They can help you consolidate all your credit card bills into one affordable payment. Millions of people have done it. It works to make you debt-free. Make this free call right now. It costs you nothing to learn more.

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