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Sept. 24, 2026

The Bill Martinez Show 09 24 26

The Bill Martinez Show 09 24 26
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The Bill Martinez Show 09 24 26
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Are you ready?

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Yeah.

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Okay, let's do it.

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Bill Martinez Live, a program about current events, our culture,

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our values, our politics, and our future.

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And now, Bill Martinez. Good morning, America. Bill Martinez here,

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six minutes right after the top of the hour. And

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we've got Mike O'Neill from Landmark Legal.

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Michael, how are you?

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I'm good, Bill. Good to be with you.

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Always good to be here. J.D. Vance, the fraud czar,

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is coming up with some numbers. And even though these

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numbers sound massive, I mean, we're talking billions of dollars,

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you know, lest we forget, Elon Musk, right off the bat,

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if you remember, said, I could find at least a trillion.

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And they all but tarred and feathered him because that

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money is, that's political money. It's not just taxpayer money.

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I mean, we're talking, you know, graft, we're talking, you know,

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things that, oh my goodness, when you open up Pandora's

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box there, and you really start seeing what this is

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connected to, I mean, you're really going to be upset.

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I mean, it cracks me up. As upset as people are,

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the American people are right now about gas prices, it's

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like they're not even half upset about all the fraud

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and waste that's been going on for decades. Give me

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a break.

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I know.

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I think it's almost you're just built into the system,

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and people have just come to accept it. Well, I

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don't accept it, and I don't think any of us

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should accept it, particularly in light of the fact that

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we're facing a $ 40 trillion deficit or debt. debt burden,

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and we're facing $ 2 trillion of deficits every year. And

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I think what you just think that this is just

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free riders and free money. And the more you talk

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about it, the more you uncover it, the worse it gets.

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It shows that fraud grift is utterly pervasive in virtually

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every system you can imagine. And I think you want

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to ask yourself, where do you start? You know, how

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do you eat an elephant? And I guess you just

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say one bite at a time. So you saw the

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efforts from one of the most brilliant visionaries of our time.

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Elon Musk was put, you know, was tasked with this

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at the beginning of the Trump presidency. And he had

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designated individuals and began to uncover things. And of course,

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the machine took over and forced him out.

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J.D.

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Vance has been tasked, has picked up the mantle lately.

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And I think a lot of his future political aspirations

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are contingent upon how well he does this job. But

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I think what you saw this week was just important.

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Every week, every system you want to look at is

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rife with fraud. It's just it's infected with this fraud

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and free riders.

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Let me just say this, though. What he's discovering is

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like just in one state. OK, I mean, and you're

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talking billions in one state.

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Right.

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It's always the 49.

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I mean, America, wake up, smell the coffee, see what this,

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you know, this Leviathan of this bureaucratic, unelected administrative state,

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what they have done to this country, what they're doing

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to you, your children and your grandchildren.

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Yeah, absolutely. And this is one, for example, we're talking

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about specifically 760,000 names of people, 760,000 individuals improperly or

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fraudulently enrolled in the ACI health insurance programs. So multiply

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that out. 760,000 people getting free health care, whatever they want,

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whatever is taking advantage of them, whatever it is costing.

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And where does the burden fall for this? It falls

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on the American taxpayer. Now, there's a couple of things

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that are going on, I think, when you begin to

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pull the curtain back on this. I generally think, well,

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generally think, let's talk about the systems in place here.

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Systems are, in the United States, are built on trust

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and truthfulness. The recognition that the people who are making

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representations in context within that system are being truthful. Tax system,

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for example, when you fill out your tax returns, you're

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being truthful in the deductions you're claiming. You're being truthful

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in your salary. You're being truthful in all the representations

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you're making to the Internal Revenue Service. That system is

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based on Trump. The IRS can't audit everybody. Tens of

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millions of IRS tax returns are filed annually, hundreds of millions,

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however many there are. The IRS can't audit any of them.

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The system is predicated on the principle that you are

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making truthful representations. Similarly, and look, the tax system isn't alone.

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All of our systems are basically doing that. When you

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enroll to obtain a visa, for example, Or fill out

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a work visa in the OPT program, for example. This

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is something I've talked about before, an F-1 visa. The

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DHS is going to make sure that you're filling out

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the form correctly, but they're not going to check to

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see that the business you're saying you're going to work

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for is actually a business because they just can't physically

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check hundreds of thousands of applications for this. So it's

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predicated on the fact that you're making truthful representations. Now,

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most Americans are truthful. Really, it's funny when you look

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at it, and this is kind of one of these

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interesting things that kind of from an outsider's perspective boggles

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the mind. Most people tell the truth on their tax returns, sincerely, really.

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When you look at it, we're pretty much, I mean, yeah,

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you have some lies here and there, but most of

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the time people are truthful about how the representations they make.

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And generally speaking, most Americans are truthful. Yes, we lie. Yes,

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you commit light lies. But when you're sitting across the

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table selling your car, for example, and the guy across

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the table says, Hey, if you've been in a car wreck,

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you know, Bob, I actually have to be honest. I

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was in a car. And you know what? You actually

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get that. You get a degree of honesty within the

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American culture and the American person and the citizenry. You

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see where I'm going with this? What happens when you

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bring in millions of people who don't consider truth a virtue?

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Or a moral imperative, right? Truth doesn't mean anything. Making

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truthful representations to people you're talking to.

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Yeah, because if you lied to get in to begin with,

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what you will do next is predicated on what you've

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done before then. That just follows suit.

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Yeah, or if you come from, and look, this is

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going to be a tough thing to say, but I

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got to say it. Look, if you come from a

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culture that doesn't value truth, that doesn't value honesty, that

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maybe prioritizes something else, but doesn't say, okay, well, we're

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going to get into a fair negotiation and I can

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negotiate with you in good faith that the representations that

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you're making to me are going to be truthful. It's

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not going to be rank duplicity that you're having to

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deal with, just straight up whys that are being told

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to you, right? And if you have millions of people

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who come into a country who do not have that

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same system whereby they value truth as a virtue and

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a moral imperative, then of course, and then you have

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systems predicated on truth and honesty, the bad actors are

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just going to take advantage of that. And who are

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the victims here? The victims are the American taxpayers. Look,

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any system you uncover, look, it's not a coincidence that

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Look at what's happened in Minnesota, for example, in Minneapolis,

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that every single daycare center in Minneapolis, well, they identified

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a vulnerable system. Oh, all I have to do is

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say I'm running a daycare center and I'm going to

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get thousands of dollars? Well, of course I'm going to

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say I'm running a daycare system. It doesn't matter if

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I'm running a daycare system or not. I'm not running

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a daycare center. But I could say I'm running a

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daycare center and say I have six kids enrolled and

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get $ 5, 000 a month from the government. Well, you're going

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to do that. Or, oh, you're telling me that I

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can get free healthcare if I just simply fill out

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this form and say these things? Okay, of course I'm

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going to get healthcare. It doesn't matter if it's truthful

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or not. Or, oh, I'm going to get a job,

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I'm going to have my visa extended here for another

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three years if I say I'm working for this company.

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It doesn't matter whether there's a real company. It doesn't

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matter whether there's a real person or there's a real manager.

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I'm just going to say it so I can stay

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in the United States. I'm just lying on my form. Well,

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did I fill out the form correctly? Okay. I don't

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have a problem doing that. And you see this in

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every system, healthcare, childcare, medical, political system. It doesn't matter. Oh,

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I'm just going to fill out this ballot. It doesn't

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matter whether I'm eligible or I'm a citizen or not.

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I'm just going to fill out this ballot to make

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my vote count because somebody is going to tell me

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I should vote for this person. That's the problem here

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is you have to have, when systems are predicated on truthfulness, trust,

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and honesty, you're going to have bad actors take advantage

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of that.

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But you have to reward that, Michael. You have to

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reward honesty in a way that, hey, look, you get

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your job. But what happens, you get people there, and

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I've seen it happen, where people will tell people, this

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is what you have to say. And even though it's

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not true, don't worry about it. You've got to put

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this down in order to qualify for Obamacare, in order

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to qualify for these government subsidies and these programs. So

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that's You know, that's part of the problem because we

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are we're incentivizing all the wrong behavior.

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Yeah, we're incentivizing it. And also we are abetting it

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in the fact that we are importing masses and waves

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of people.

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I'll tell you what, let's go to quick break. We'll

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pick it up on the other side. We got more

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from Mike O'Neill after this. Stay with us.

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That's what you do. It's not your fault. It's the economy.

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Hey, we're back with you. I'm Bill Martinez. He's Mike

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O'Neill from Landmark Legal. And we were just talking about

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this massive fraud and that that's been going on. And Michael,

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I think we've got to get to the point to say,

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all right, we've got massive fraud that's going out, but

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what are we doing? What's the prophylactic on this? What

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are we doing to prevent it? And, you know, I

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think that, yes, you know, you want to arrest the fraudsters. Well,

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what about the people that are, you know, co-conspiring government

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officials that have known that they've been participating in this

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and they can't claim some plausible deniability?

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Yeah, absolutely. You have, I mean.

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Again, as I said, how do you eat an elephant

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one bite at a time? It's like, where do you stop?

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I think, first of all, you stop bringing in individuals

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who don't share the same value system that are necessary

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to ensure that our systems function properly. Again, you don't

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let in people who are going to be dishonest. You

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just don't. If there's large swaths of people from certain

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parts of the world that are coming to America and

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defraud the American taxpayer, hey, guess what? Stop letting those

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people in. Well, yeah, okay, that's number one. Then the

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folks that are doing it here who are not, who

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can be sent out of the country, send them out.

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The people that are committing the fraud, you know, then

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the people, then you can only prosecute so many people.

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It's funny.

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You talk about this and you're like voter fraud and

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you see the department of Homeland security or department of

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justice prosecuting people for voter fraud. And we're prosecuting 5,000

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people for improper, you know, for illegally voting. Do you

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understand like the amount of work that goes into prosecuting 5,000 people?

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It's like it's so hard. It's so much work. You

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have to have the prosecutors. You have to have the juries.

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You have to have the criminal system, et cetera, et cetera.

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5,000 people.

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You're just beginning to try to address the little bits

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of it. So, again, you have to begin to hold

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people accountable, begin to make examples, right? I'm going to

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take these individuals, ActBlue, for example. This is an organization

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that is actually functioning, at least as I can see,

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as a money laundering operation. You know, they take money

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from foreign, they take NGO money, at least as I

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understand it, take NGO money, wash it through, and then

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roll it back into political contributions using micro contributions, using

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names of people who never made the contributions. And you're like,

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this is just mind-boggling, prosecuting that. High-profile example prosecutions are

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the order of the day. Removing individuals who are dishonest,

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who are fraudulently bilking the American taxpayer is another thing

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to do. But again, you have to begin to understand

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this and unravel it. Yeah. And then try to recoup money.

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The EPA, for example, is doing a good job with

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this under Lee Zeldin. All this money that went out

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at the end of the Biden administration in the terms

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of billions of dollars.

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The gold bricks over there. Right.

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Recoup that money. Say, hey, NGO, you're just you were

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just literally this group, this group that received a billion dollars.

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That's a tax exempt organization that was literally created months

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before they received this government grant. Hey, guess what? We're

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going to recoup that money. But again, all of this

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takes enormous amounts of work. Prosecuting people takes an enormous

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amount of work. Uncovering the fraud, going to the, verifying

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whether the person's an actual citizen, whether the business is

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in place. You got to think about this. It takes

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a long time when it's to the degree. to which

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it's so rampant and so endemic in our systems. But again, look,

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and this is kind of getting lost in it. I

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think you've got to give some credit where credit is

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due to the administration. They're trying to address this. You

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are seeing there are affirmative efforts, you know, the task force.

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You see, if you look at some of these agencies,

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they're really working on it. Housing and urban development is

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trying to identify fraud within the housing systems. You know,

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people getting bad fraudulent mortgage loans, for example. That's another system.

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EPA we talked about.

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It's so pervasive. See, this is the deal you talk

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about is that what happens is that it's not just

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in any one part of bureaucracy. It's throughout the entire bureaucracy.

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That's the problem with the lie or, you know, as

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the Bible would talk about is the leaven. The leaven

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goes in and it affects everything. And I would like

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to see something again that is at the spout. You

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got to go to the spout and turn the spout off.

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And these people who are government officials, whoever you can prove,

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you know, you need to start lopping some heads off.

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You got to fire these people. I mean, the fact that,

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you know, you've been flat out lying to the American

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taxpayer for whatever reason, I don't know how you could

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possibly justify that. That kind of behavior, knowing that... I mean,

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how do you go to work someplace that says, okay,

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this is the way we do it. We lie and

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cheat and we just do this.

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That's the point, though, is when you don't have a

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compunction with lying and cheating, you or I are like, yeah,

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how do you go and lie? I mean, how do

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you live every day when you're just defrauding people? How

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can you do that? But when you have... large segments

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of the population that have no compunction with that, who

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don't consider that an improper or their conscience doesn't kick

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in and say that's wrong, then it's abetted. Oh, another

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good point here. Here's a systemic way to address this.

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A lot of this is these omnibus spending bills, right? Well,

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the Inflation Reduction Act that was passed by Congress at

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the tail end of the Biden administration authorized these billion

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dollar grants, To these NGOs through the Environmental Protection Agency.

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Right.

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You're like, hey, here's a smart idea. How about not

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having 1,000-page omnibus spending bills with little micro lines of

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awards to certain groups and certain organizations that nobody catches, right? Oh,

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I'm going to give a billion dollars to this group

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for environmental justice.

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Stacey Abrams.

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Yeah, let's give her. She doesn't even have a business.

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She had, what, $ 200 in her bank account, and all

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of a sudden $ 2 billion or something like that shows up?

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It's nuts.

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It's absolutely nuts. Make actual, again, there's just so much

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to begin to address this, and that's why it's laudable. Again,

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what I was just going to say, almost every administrative

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agency you mentioned, I can say, okay, Department of Agriculture

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is trying to attract bad farm loads, for example. It's like,

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It's the order of the day in the administration to

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try to get a hold of this. So that is laudable. Now, again,

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the Congress has a role. I would love to see

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a law that says, look, if you're going to make

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any kind of appropriation over $ 100 million, it has to

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have its own bill. These omnibus spending bills are just

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problematic because it's thousands of people.

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Yeah, you can hide all kinds of fraud in there.

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Yeah.

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Exactly.

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I mean, I could spend hours and hours. How do

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you fix this? It's like, where do you begin to

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address it? I've illustrated, I think we've talked about a

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number of things. Stop bringing in people who have no

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compunction with lying. Kick out the people who are here

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legally or legally who are lying. Begin to make high-level,

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high-profile prosecutions of individuals. Put pressure on Congress not to

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just throw money out the window just because it sounds

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good to them, actually process this, and then begin, again,

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begin to get a hold of entitlement spending and get

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a hold of maybe some systemic reforms of Social Security,

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Medicaid and Medicare. But again, you know, that's a lot

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to ask.

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Yeah.

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Well, that's the problem is it's so massive, this Leviathan,

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and this is what allows them to continue because they

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can hide just by the sheer number. And then it's like, okay,

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who's going to take this over? And What's happened is

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that these institutions are so grounded in helping people and

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they feel entitled to that money. And how dare you

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take that money away from me? And they're going to

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be upset and riot because now their lifestyle is compromised.

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But then what about the people in Social Security? They've

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been paying in Social Security all their working lives, and

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all of a sudden now it's going to go bankrupt

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in five years? Are you kidding me?

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Yeah, I mean, and that's the thing is there's going

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to be– the music's going to stop at some point, right?

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The music has to stop. You cannot continue to engage

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in this profligate spending nonsense without having some accountability at

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some point. And we can only borrow so much and

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we can only pay interest so much and go forward

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so much before– serious, the rubber meets the road and

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we meet serious consequences. As you said before, you're facing

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this fiscal cliff with social security. That's going to be

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a wake up call to a lot of people. But

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you start, I always thought to myself months ago, you know,

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when we're, excuse me, at the beginning of the administration,

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I was like, and I think I've said this before.

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The good news is if you start to cut out fraud,

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suddenly our, our, financial future is going to look that

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much better.

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You imagine what we could do?

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But what does it mean to cut out fraud, right?

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How much work goes into cutting out fraud? It's a

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hard slog. It's not easy, but you got to do it.

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Yeah.

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No, there's no question. But again- The first step one

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is admitting to the problem, right? I mean, quit listening

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to the mainstream media and all these political voices that

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are telling you and gaslighting you and get down to

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what we started when we first started discussing this is

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get down to the truth. What's the truth? The whole

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truth and nothing but Mike.

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I know it's funny. It's funny what grapples with the

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media's attention. You know, oh, boy, CNN Politico lost their

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White House credentials. Oh, boy, there's a White House ballroom

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being constructed. Oh, boy, there's a new granite seal on

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the White House lawn. It's like, oh, boy, Trump said something,

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you know, that offended somebody at the United Nations. Oh, boy, Trump.

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And I'm like, hey, guys, $ 40 trillion. $ 40 trillion. You

470
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know what I mean? Hey, guys, there's a real problem

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out there in our society. Hey, guys, there are millions

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of people in the United States who've come into the

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country in the past 15 to 20 years who have

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no problem bilking all of your money, taking all of

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your hard-earned tax dollars and fritting it away for their

476
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lifestyle choices. You and your wife might work hard and

477
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earn about $ 200, 000 in income, $ 35, 000 in federal income taxes.

478
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And anywhere from like 10,000 to 15,000 of that is

479
00:24:03.039 --> 00:24:06.259
just flittered away for fraud and nonsense. And you don't

480
00:24:06.299 --> 00:24:08.460
see it because there's folks in here who have no

481
00:24:08.539 --> 00:24:10.920
problem with bilking you and taking your tax money away.

482
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Think about that. Every time you say to yourself, oh, boy,

483
00:24:13.319 --> 00:24:16.000
I'm driving a car that's 14 years old. Or, oh, boy,

484
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I can't go out to dinner tonight.

485
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Oh, boy, this.

486
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Well, guess what? Five, you know, a third of the

487
00:24:22.140 --> 00:24:25.789
percentage of your taxpayer's dollars go to some fraudulent, nonsensical

488
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individual who comes in here and is taking it away

489
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from you and taking money out of your children's mouths.

490
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That's my bottom line. That really is true.

491
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Who cares what's going on with the White House lawn?

492
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Or who cares? It doesn't affect you. What affects you

493
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is how much money you have at the end of

494
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the day after you've come home from work and are

495
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trying to put food on your family's table. And how

496
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much of that money is going to the federal government?

497
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How much of that money that goes to the federal

498
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government is gone for nonsense and crap? That's it.

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That's where I leave it there. Mike O'Neill from Landmark Legal.

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Thank you, Michael. Take care.

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Hey, good morning. Welcome back. Bill Martinez here. For more

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information on the show, BillMartinezLive.com. We've got Phil Pascoe, KPP's

563
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man in Washington, and he's with us right now. Good morning, Bill.

564
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Good to be with you, Bill.

565
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How are you today? Hey, I'm doing terrific. Thank you

566
00:29:11.200 --> 00:29:14.220
so much for coming on the show. Real quick before

567
00:29:14.240 --> 00:29:17.660
we get into some of the meatier things here, Trump's

568
00:29:17.680 --> 00:29:18.599
bid for Greenland.

569
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What do you make of that? Hey, we've talked about

570
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Greenland many times in the past. Quick reminder, we were

571
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actually active in World War II. In Greenland, we captured

572
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three Nazi military guys in September of 1941, three months

573
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before the Japanese attack Pearl Harbor, we were actually defending

574
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the coast of Greenland because we were worried that the

575
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Germans were going to use Greenland as a base of

576
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operations against the North Atlantic. So our interest in Greenland

577
00:29:48.180 --> 00:29:55.119
as a strategic outpost against potential European-based enemies goes back

578
00:29:55.160 --> 00:29:57.500
an awfully long way. I think it's fantastic that the

579
00:29:57.539 --> 00:30:01.009
president has pulled this off You know, I struggled to

580
00:30:01.049 --> 00:30:03.230
find any coverage of this in the New York Times

581
00:30:03.410 --> 00:30:08.180
over the weekend. CBS and ABC and NBC, similarly, didn't

582
00:30:08.240 --> 00:30:10.119
seem to think this was a big story.

583
00:30:10.140 --> 00:30:13.319
I wonder why. Yeah, well, of course. I mean, we

584
00:30:13.339 --> 00:30:17.289
know why. I mean, it's been consistent of the mainstream media.

585
00:30:17.349 --> 00:30:19.470
This is why, you know, Trump's kind of had it

586
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with them and saying, hey, look, you know what? When

587
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I do press briefings in the Oval Office, I'd rather

588
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you not come, you know? Absolutely.

589
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I think that's going to be very interesting.

590
00:30:30.950 --> 00:30:31.609
I'm not a lawyer.

591
00:30:31.890 --> 00:30:34.849
I don't play one on TV. But as I understand,

592
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I can read. I was taught to read. And the

593
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first five words of the First Amendment that everybody is citing,

594
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the first five words of that amendment say, Congress shall

595
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make no law. I don't see Congress making a law

596
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about CNN and MSNOW and Politico being in the White

597
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House press room one way or the other. Congress hasn't

598
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done anything here. So why is this a question of

599
00:30:59.430 --> 00:31:04.380
the First Amendment? The president hasn't said CNN and MSNOW

600
00:31:04.500 --> 00:31:07.880
and Politico are banished. He hasn't said these are no

601
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longer going concerns. We're going to snuff them out. He

602
00:31:12.150 --> 00:31:15.630
simply said, you know what, space in the White House

603
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press room is at a premium. And I see no

604
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reason that space should be taken up by people that

605
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I disagree with when there's plenty of other people who

606
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don't publish stuff that I disagree with that's so obviously fake,

607
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that's so obviously wrong. There was a wonderful piece in

608
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Breitbart over the weekend that was just column after column

609
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of all the stories that CNN had reported on, spent

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time on, and gotten wrong. And the other thing is

611
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that's so bothersome, obviously to the president, but to regular

612
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consumers of news is that when we now know it's wrong,

613
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they never go back and correct the record.

614
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Oh, no. Forget about correcting the record.

615
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They don't even bother to say, sorry, we got it

616
00:31:53.930 --> 00:31:56.970
wrong and move on. They just don't acknowledge it at all.

617
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It's like it never happened. It's gone down the memory hole.

618
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So I think this is going to be very interesting

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to watch and see how it plays out.

620
00:32:03.619 --> 00:32:05.940
Yeah, and the deal, the mainstream media, which galls me,

621
00:32:06.140 --> 00:32:09.559
you know, to your point, they're on this issue. Oh,

622
00:32:09.660 --> 00:32:12.220
Trump just doesn't want it there because he disagrees with him. No,

623
00:32:12.359 --> 00:32:16.289
it's much more obvious, to your point, than that, but

624
00:32:16.349 --> 00:32:20.509
they're not about to report. The order of the day

625
00:32:20.690 --> 00:32:23.089
is we've got to do everything we can to make

626
00:32:23.210 --> 00:32:26.069
Trump look bad or certainly not look great. But yet,

627
00:32:26.230 --> 00:32:28.289
how do you, I mean, you can bury this story.

628
00:32:28.309 --> 00:32:30.950
And like you said, we've been talking about this for

629
00:32:31.049 --> 00:32:37.099
months and this was a commonsensical thing. And we've had

630
00:32:37.210 --> 00:32:42.079
other presidents, Republican and Democrat, just kind of ignore this issue.

631
00:32:42.119 --> 00:32:44.920
But where we are now, where the threats are increasing,

632
00:32:45.480 --> 00:32:49.880
This is critical to have this area. It's critical to

633
00:32:49.940 --> 00:32:53.019
our national security. And do you think the mainstream media

634
00:32:53.079 --> 00:32:55.319
would side? No, they just think, oh, it's just Trump.

635
00:32:55.359 --> 00:32:58.480
He's out there just capturing land and, you know, planting

636
00:32:58.519 --> 00:33:01.539
a flag and putting his name on everything. And, of course,

637
00:33:01.559 --> 00:33:04.619
it was funny that Gary Bauer said something to the

638
00:33:04.680 --> 00:33:07.470
effect that at least Trump wasn't insisting that it be,

639
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you know.

640
00:33:09.569 --> 00:33:12.210
Called Trumpland or something. You know, they changed the name

641
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to Greenland.

642
00:33:14.019 --> 00:33:15.799
You know, and if you go back and you watch

643
00:33:15.819 --> 00:33:18.839
this thing from the beginning, this is classic Trump in

644
00:33:18.859 --> 00:33:21.769
the art of the deal. You start off by demanding

645
00:33:21.809 --> 00:33:23.670
the sun, the moon, and the stars. And then when

646
00:33:23.690 --> 00:33:26.369
you settle for the sun... It looks reasonable.

647
00:33:26.690 --> 00:33:26.950
Okay.

648
00:33:27.210 --> 00:33:31.170
He demanded sovereignty. He knew he wasn't going to get sovereignty.

649
00:33:31.450 --> 00:33:34.569
He knew he wasn't going to send U.S. armed forces

650
00:33:34.630 --> 00:33:37.900
to capture Greenland from Denmark. That wasn't going to happen.

651
00:33:38.099 --> 00:33:40.900
But by demanding that at the beginning, now he's got

652
00:33:40.940 --> 00:33:43.259
what he really wants, which is he's got an agreement

653
00:33:43.319 --> 00:33:47.059
in perpetuity. The United States has the right... and the

654
00:33:47.119 --> 00:33:50.680
authority to do what it wants for security purposes. Secondly,

655
00:33:50.960 --> 00:33:54.559
Russia and China never going to have a base in Greenland.

656
00:33:54.799 --> 00:33:58.019
That's absolutely crucial if you want to control the North

657
00:33:58.079 --> 00:34:03.420
Atlantic routes into the Atlantic and therefore to the eastern

658
00:34:03.460 --> 00:34:07.039
seaboard of the United States. This is brilliant diplomacy pulled

659
00:34:07.119 --> 00:34:09.599
off in less than a year. I think we should

660
00:34:09.860 --> 00:34:12.960
all clap for the White House. We should all thank

661
00:34:13.019 --> 00:34:19.590
President Trump for doing this. that the, I don't know, MSNOW, CNN,

662
00:34:19.769 --> 00:34:24.730
and Politico Troika, that they've chosen not to report on this,

663
00:34:25.449 --> 00:34:28.030
may have something to do with why he thinks there

664
00:34:28.179 --> 00:34:31.019
are better people to take up those spots inside the

665
00:34:31.039 --> 00:34:33.199
White House press room. And keep in mind, all I'm

666
00:34:33.219 --> 00:34:34.940
saying is inside the White House press room. He's not

667
00:34:34.960 --> 00:34:38.340
saying they can't cover the White House. There are guys

668
00:34:38.460 --> 00:34:41.550
out on 17th Street with the White House as the background.

669
00:34:42.130 --> 00:34:42.570
Go ahead.

670
00:34:43.269 --> 00:34:43.409
Yeah.

671
00:34:43.949 --> 00:34:46.769
Yeah, exactly. Well, the thing is, it's interesting, you know, Bill,

672
00:34:46.809 --> 00:34:49.889
if you remember, you know, back in the sixties, the

673
00:34:49.929 --> 00:34:53.750
way the Russians would negotiate, they would go, they'd reach

674
00:34:53.769 --> 00:34:57.079
for the stars and, and whatever they got less than

675
00:34:57.119 --> 00:34:59.159
that was still a lot more than they originally hoped

676
00:34:59.179 --> 00:35:02.599
to get. And that's, you know, in a lot of ways,

677
00:35:02.619 --> 00:35:06.500
this is what Trump does as you know, he, he goes,

678
00:35:06.539 --> 00:35:08.780
he reaches for the stars and, and look what he's

679
00:35:08.820 --> 00:35:11.949
done every time with these deals that he's made on

680
00:35:11.989 --> 00:35:14.260
behalf of the American people. And that's what I say

681
00:35:14.300 --> 00:35:17.030
that's so much different than him that I, you know,

682
00:35:17.050 --> 00:35:20.070
what he does, it's always to help the American people,

683
00:35:20.130 --> 00:35:22.349
it would appear. I know some would like to say, oh,

684
00:35:22.449 --> 00:35:24.110
it's sort of his family and, you know, they've got

685
00:35:24.150 --> 00:35:26.349
some benefit here and now they're worried about Don Jr.

686
00:35:26.349 --> 00:35:29.590
's wedding and what have you. And they're trying to get,

687
00:35:29.889 --> 00:35:32.929
it's so interesting how they're, you know, how they're trying

688
00:35:32.949 --> 00:35:37.630
to intertwine Don Jr. and Hunter Biden, right?

689
00:35:37.750 --> 00:35:38.510
And Hunter, right.

690
00:35:41.139 --> 00:35:45.349
It's just unbelievable. But anyway. We got some more important

691
00:35:45.369 --> 00:35:49.130
things to talk about. Not to say that, you know,

692
00:35:49.489 --> 00:35:53.260
securing Greenland and Denmark isn't. I mean, this is awesome.

693
00:35:53.280 --> 00:35:56.780
What a great victory. We can do a victory lap

694
00:35:56.840 --> 00:36:00.019
on that one. But let's talk about the latest with AI.

695
00:36:00.039 --> 00:36:00.599
What's going on?

696
00:36:01.559 --> 00:36:05.030
Well, we have an effort all around the country. You

697
00:36:06.869 --> 00:36:11.570
All of a sudden, AI data centers, these hulking towers

698
00:36:11.630 --> 00:36:17.889
that use up energy, this has now become apparently grassroots

699
00:36:18.070 --> 00:36:22.820
Americans' biggest concern. It's no longer affordability. It's all about

700
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data centers. They don't like the sound. They don't like

701
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the footprint. They don't like the noise. They don't like

702
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their electricity bills going up. So John Husta, the Republican

703
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senator from Ohio... came up with something called the Ratepayer

704
00:36:36.449 --> 00:36:40.590
Protection Act, very simple bill that says that the tech

705
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companies can't pass the increased cost of energy on to consumers. Now,

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energy is a commodity like anything else. And when there's

707
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not enough of it to satisfy demand, what happens? Prices

708
00:36:53.219 --> 00:36:57.820
go up. So while they're surging, pardon the pun, while

709
00:36:57.840 --> 00:37:01.320
they're surging to fill the demand, nevertheless, that means that

710
00:37:02.619 --> 00:37:05.340
prices are going up. And right now what's happening is

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00:37:05.619 --> 00:37:08.519
those higher prices are being passed on to consumers. So

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Senator Houston comes up with a bill that says, hey,

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if there's a new AI data center that's just popped

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00:37:13.699 --> 00:37:16.289
up and it's gobbling up all the energy in an

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00:37:16.409 --> 00:37:20.050
area and driving up prices for everybody, it's the tech

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00:37:20.090 --> 00:37:23.670
company that has to pay that higher price, not the consumer.

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00:37:24.289 --> 00:37:27.670
Makes sense. This thing made so much sense that when

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it was considered in the House of Representatives last Tuesday,

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a week ago today, 417 to three. Bill, you don't

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get 417 members of the House to agree that the

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sun rises in the east and that water is wet.

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So the idea that this bill got 417 votes behind

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it says to me, well, it must be a pretty

724
00:37:48.510 --> 00:37:51.619
good bill, very popular. So it comes over to the Senate. Now,

725
00:37:51.659 --> 00:37:54.079
the Senate has different rules. We've talked about that over

726
00:37:54.119 --> 00:37:58.340
the years too. And Simply because of the schedule of

727
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the Senate, in order to get anything moved through the Senate,

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first you have a motion to proceed. But before you

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can vote on the motion to proceed, you have to

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vote to end debate on the motion to proceed. And

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each one of these things takes two days off the calendar.

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So Senator Houston went to the floor of the Senate

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and asked for unanimous consent, because that's the way to

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bypass the rules. If all the senators agree, boom, it

735
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moves like grease lightning. So he asks for unanimous consent.

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And guess what? Martin Heinrich, the Democrat from New Mexico,

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stood up and said, I object. And in doing so,

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he blocked all the consumers in the country who are

739
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paying higher prices for their electricity now. All of them

740
00:38:40.400 --> 00:38:43.940
can thank Martin Heinrich and the Democratic Party in the

741
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Senate for stopping this legislation from going through. If he

742
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had simply allowed it to go through, that bill would

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have passed with unanimous consent. It would have been on

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the president's desk Thursday afternoon, and he could have signed

745
00:38:55.090 --> 00:38:59.349
it that night. Instead, for however many months until they

746
00:38:59.369 --> 00:39:03.690
get this worked out, maybe never, who knows, because it

747
00:39:03.769 --> 00:39:07.210
serves the Democrats' interest for people to be paying higher

748
00:39:07.269 --> 00:39:10.059
prices as we move into an election, doesn't it?

749
00:39:10.150 --> 00:39:10.829
Of course it does.

750
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They're the opposition party. They want things to be bad.

751
00:39:13.699 --> 00:39:20.010
They want everybody to look at Washington and say, Darn Republicans. Again,

752
00:39:20.150 --> 00:39:23.190
my prices are higher. They're not paying attention to the

753
00:39:23.230 --> 00:39:26.050
fact that it was a Democrat who blocked a unanimous

754
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consent request. It's outrageous. I hope everybody... you know, Martin

755
00:39:30.000 --> 00:39:32.400
Heinrich isn't on the ballot this year. Senators are only

756
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on the ballot once every six years. So he doesn't

757
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have to go before the voters this year and pay

758
00:39:38.679 --> 00:39:41.239
the price for that. In fact, I'm pretty sure that's

759
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why they picked Martin Heinrichs, because he's not on the

760
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ballot this year. Eventually, I think something will come out

761
00:39:47.960 --> 00:39:50.320
of Washington and the tech companies will pay the higher

762
00:39:50.360 --> 00:39:53.719
prices rather than regular consumers. And that's a good thing.

763
00:39:54.469 --> 00:40:00.070
But it's just another indication, another example of Democrats... who

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talk a good game when they're back home about how

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they're fighting in Washington on behalf of their constituents, but

766
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in fact, they're really not. They're really sticking it to

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their constituents when they have the opportunity.

768
00:40:10.210 --> 00:40:13.090
Well, you know, when it passes, it's going to be

769
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mired with all kinds of additives that are going to

770
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favor the Democratic Party and Democratic officials, because that's the

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way they.

772
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Roll, Bill.

773
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Well, and they've all of a sudden, you know, a

774
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couple of weeks ago, we had the leaders of the

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big companies, the big AI companies, Google's DeepMind and OpenAI's

776
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ChatGPT and Anthropix, Claude, the guys who are making the

777
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what we call the frontier AI, the guys that are

778
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out on the frontier pushing the edges of the envelope.

779
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They all of a sudden came out and said, you know,

780
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We've been totally unregulated for a long time, and that's

781
00:40:52.929 --> 00:40:55.969
been good because we've now established ourselves as the leaders

782
00:40:56.030 --> 00:40:59.250
in this emerging technology. But, you know, we look back

783
00:40:59.329 --> 00:41:01.570
over our shoulder and we see all these new companies

784
00:41:01.650 --> 00:41:04.019
coming up, coming up on our heels. And, you know,

785
00:41:04.119 --> 00:41:07.130
it might be really helpful We just froze everything in

786
00:41:07.190 --> 00:41:11.230
place for a while so that our shareholders can continue.

787
00:41:11.050 --> 00:41:11.510
To reap the benefits.

788
00:41:11.530 --> 00:41:12.869
Let's put out the yellow flag, huh?

789
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That's it.

790
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You know, I mean, it's, hey, we climbed up that

791
00:41:16.750 --> 00:41:18.849
ladder to the top level and now we want to

792
00:41:18.869 --> 00:41:21.150
kick the ladder away and make sure that nobody else

793
00:41:21.190 --> 00:41:24.789
can come up and become our competition. So maybe the

794
00:41:24.849 --> 00:41:27.829
government should put a freeze on things. Maybe the government

795
00:41:27.869 --> 00:41:30.340
should step in and regulate the heck out of AI.

796
00:41:31.920 --> 00:41:34.940
And to his credit, President Trump has said, no, we

797
00:41:34.980 --> 00:41:37.699
got a bigger picture that we're worried. We're not worried

798
00:41:37.719 --> 00:41:40.159
about the little guys catching up to you. In fact,

799
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we like that because that always leads to new developments

800
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that benefit everyone. That's the history of technological development.

801
00:41:48.469 --> 00:41:50.150
New development and lower prices, Bill.

802
00:41:50.230 --> 00:41:56.820
Right, exactly. More options for consumers. Exactly. That's what... new technology.

803
00:41:57.239 --> 00:41:59.599
That's what the history of new technology is. And instead,

804
00:41:59.880 --> 00:42:02.139
President Trump is focused on the bigger picture, which is

805
00:42:02.719 --> 00:42:06.800
the competition with China. We have been blessed to have

806
00:42:07.239 --> 00:42:10.989
technological developments over the last two centuries that have made

807
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America the leading technological development country in the world. And

808
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that has benefited all of us. We need to make

809
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sure that we continue to lead the world in AI

810
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and that we don't let China win this race. I

811
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don't want to have my grandchildren have to learn to

812
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speak Mandarin so that they can get along in the world.

813
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That's not what I'm looking forward to.

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We're certainly in the position to control our destiny. God

815
00:42:41.519 --> 00:42:43.699
forbid that we would let party politics get in the

816
00:42:43.739 --> 00:42:46.460
way of it. But, oh, that's right. It's happened before.

817
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Bill Pascoe, TPP's Citizen Fund political director. Bill, where can

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they go for more information?

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TeaPartyPatriots.org. TeaPartyPatriots.org, Bill. Thanks for having me today.

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Hey, good morning.

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Welcome.

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Glad you could join us. Bill Martinez here, along with

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one and only Jeff Kemp. Hey, Jeff, how we doing, buddy?

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Hi, Bill.

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Good.

899
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I'm out here at the field after a granddaughter's soccer game.

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Well, how much fun is that, huh? I tell you,

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you know, moments like that, you just feel like, okay, God,

902
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I could die and go to heaven right now after...

903
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you know, having fun like that with a granddaughter and stuff.

904
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I'm with you.

905
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Yeah. I'm thankful to be a part of their lives.

906
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It's great.

907
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Yeah.

908
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Amen.

909
00:47:30.110 --> 00:47:34.400
Hey, I wanted to talk to you about trust. Trust

910
00:47:34.480 --> 00:47:38.079
is an issue that's coming up time and again, particularly

911
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because we're in the political season heading to the midterms

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and people are wondering, you know, can I trust my government?

913
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Can I trust the candidate that I want to, you know,

914
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give them my vote, you know, and It just seems

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more and more that trust is becoming a bigger issue

916
00:47:55.289 --> 00:47:58.409
in our culture than almost ever before that I can remember.

917
00:48:00.030 --> 00:48:03.710
Well, that's probably because, you know, trust is the basis

918
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of relationships. Is someone going to be predictable and reliable

919
00:48:09.329 --> 00:48:11.650
in the things that they say and do that they've

920
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committed to? So we know marriage is based on trust.

921
00:48:15.760 --> 00:48:18.360
I commit to you in good and bad, tough times

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00:48:18.460 --> 00:48:22.070
and good times. Um, And then you're looking for trust

923
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in a, a business that you can trust people to

924
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be honest with the money and to represent your company.

925
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Well, um, you're looking for trust on a football.

926
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Team or any athletic team that if you sacrifice and

927
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pass the ball here, someone's going to sacrifice and work

928
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hard to get there. Or, you know, the defense is

929
00:48:40.179 --> 00:48:44.239
going to do their job. Um, government is comprised of

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00:48:44.280 --> 00:48:49.599
imperfect people. Um, and I think it's not terribly worse.

931
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Than it was before.

932
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But the media environment, I'm not just speaking of the

933
00:48:54.920 --> 00:48:58.940
professional media, but the social media environment has become so

934
00:48:59.219 --> 00:49:03.099
skeptical of everything. And the time cycle has become so

935
00:49:03.159 --> 00:49:06.380
short that people have kind of compromised what they committed

936
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to long term so they could win this election or

937
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look popular. So I think it's important that we talk

938
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about trust, look for that in our candidates.

939
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But mostly we got to be trustworthy.

940
00:49:17.070 --> 00:49:19.230
Exactly. It starts with us. I mean, you get what

941
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you give, right?

942
00:49:20.460 --> 00:49:20.679
Yeah.

943
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Yeah. No, you're exactly right. Is that, you know, I

944
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always say we have to look at the man or

945
00:49:25.969 --> 00:49:29.730
the woman in the mirror. You know, it starts with self-responsibility.

946
00:49:30.150 --> 00:49:34.710
You know, it's been said that people elect who they deserve.

947
00:49:35.389 --> 00:49:40.570
And so if your foundation is your trustworthy foundation is compromised,

948
00:49:40.909 --> 00:49:43.150
chances are that's who you're going to elect, right?

949
00:49:43.730 --> 00:49:43.949
Yeah.

950
00:49:45.269 --> 00:49:45.909
I think.

951
00:49:47.190 --> 00:49:50.719
We make quick judgments because it's faster and kind of

952
00:49:50.840 --> 00:49:53.840
easier to put people in boxes and labels. And then

953
00:49:53.880 --> 00:49:57.420
that shrinks the dialogue. And then they act in a

954
00:49:57.440 --> 00:49:59.159
certain way and you assume, oh, that's what they were

955
00:49:59.179 --> 00:50:03.949
going to do anyway. And then there's less trust than

956
00:50:03.989 --> 00:50:07.550
when there's conversation and relationship. So I think we need

957
00:50:07.570 --> 00:50:11.059
to be more willing to talk to people on both

958
00:50:11.119 --> 00:50:11.940
sides of the aisle.

959
00:50:12.579 --> 00:50:12.800
Right.

960
00:50:13.119 --> 00:50:16.380
More willing to not just start with the label, but say, Hey,

961
00:50:16.400 --> 00:50:19.059
I'm curious. Why do you believe that? Why are you

962
00:50:19.099 --> 00:50:21.679
working for that? And I, my dad was in politics

963
00:50:21.800 --> 00:50:22.699
for so much.

964
00:50:22.539 --> 00:50:23.039
Of his life.

965
00:50:23.739 --> 00:50:27.139
And I think he always gave the other party credit

966
00:50:27.179 --> 00:50:30.059
for wanting to make America better. He just thought that

967
00:50:30.099 --> 00:50:33.099
their policies weren't the right way to get there. So

968
00:50:33.119 --> 00:50:37.099
it was not attacking their spirit or motivation or character

969
00:50:37.579 --> 00:50:41.670
as much as That idea isn't good. The goal might

970
00:50:41.730 --> 00:50:43.730
be good, and I can join with you as an

971
00:50:43.769 --> 00:50:46.769
American on that, but let's have a free and fair debate.

972
00:50:47.630 --> 00:50:50.110
And it gets more difficult when we just assume the

973
00:50:50.150 --> 00:50:51.389
other side has bad motives.

974
00:50:52.070 --> 00:50:52.289
Right.

975
00:50:52.590 --> 00:50:55.289
Well, the thing is, is that, you know, as the

976
00:50:55.329 --> 00:50:59.670
Bible talks about, you know, reasoning together. Well, in reasoning together,

977
00:51:00.030 --> 00:51:02.590
just what you said, I think during the era when

978
00:51:02.610 --> 00:51:06.119
your dad was in politics and he was so influential

979
00:51:06.179 --> 00:51:09.559
in leadership, The general consensus was, yeah, I think both

980
00:51:09.619 --> 00:51:13.039
parties were heading for the same goal. You know, what

981
00:51:13.119 --> 00:51:17.539
can we do to resolve the problems that America and

982
00:51:17.579 --> 00:51:21.940
Americans are experiencing? And, you know, so it was a

983
00:51:22.000 --> 00:51:26.250
matter of we're looking at the same end result, but

984
00:51:26.289 --> 00:51:30.130
it was more a debate over the procedure and the process.

985
00:51:30.610 --> 00:51:33.170
Today's a little bit different, though, but go ahead.

986
00:51:33.630 --> 00:51:36.250
Well, I was going to say, I'll admit that.

987
00:51:36.250 --> 00:51:41.280
30 years after the era I'm speaking of, in the

988
00:51:41.320 --> 00:51:43.929
late 90s and when my dad was in Congress and such,

989
00:51:45.110 --> 00:51:50.090
ideology has shifted with the loss of truth to a

990
00:51:50.150 --> 00:51:55.929
lot more define reality as you want, dream that socialism

991
00:51:56.530 --> 00:52:00.250
is going to work, and then try to tear down

992
00:52:00.829 --> 00:52:04.070
institutions and others so we can come in with something new.

993
00:52:04.090 --> 00:52:07.349
And there's certainly some Folks, that's really their goal. But

994
00:52:07.369 --> 00:52:10.469
I wouldn't say every person in the Democratic Party is

995
00:52:10.550 --> 00:52:13.739
aiming at that, just as every person in the Republican

996
00:52:13.780 --> 00:52:20.480
Party isn't a knee-jerk, extreme, you know, un-nice person or

997
00:52:20.500 --> 00:52:22.079
whatever the characterization is.

998
00:52:23.099 --> 00:52:25.659
But we do have to look at the ideologies that have.

999
00:52:25.579 --> 00:52:28.719
Gone kind of more extreme than the era we were

1000
00:52:28.760 --> 00:52:31.199
talking about where Democrats and Republicans were aiming at the

1001
00:52:31.239 --> 00:52:34.230
same goal largely but had different techniques of getting there.

1002
00:52:34.980 --> 00:52:35.199
Right.

1003
00:52:35.559 --> 00:52:35.960
Exactly.

1004
00:52:36.000 --> 00:52:39.579
Well, and the point is, is that are we even,

1005
00:52:40.559 --> 00:52:43.940
you know, in the broader sense of America, are we

1006
00:52:44.019 --> 00:52:46.760
heading in the right direction? And right now, as you said,

1007
00:52:46.780 --> 00:52:51.389
you know, the media and, you know, and they need

1008
00:52:51.409 --> 00:52:54.690
to be consciously aware. You know, Trump has been in

1009
00:52:54.750 --> 00:52:58.309
conflict with the media, calling them fake news because they've

1010
00:52:58.389 --> 00:53:01.360
lost a sense of objectivity. I was just sharing with

1011
00:53:01.380 --> 00:53:03.880
somebody earlier, I remember in my days of radio, in

1012
00:53:03.900 --> 00:53:06.739
the early days of radio, Jeff, we had UPI and

1013
00:53:06.860 --> 00:53:10.530
AP reports, and we had the machines back in the

1014
00:53:10.570 --> 00:53:12.550
room that we would go whenever we had to do

1015
00:53:12.610 --> 00:53:16.829
a news report, and we would rely on that information.

1016
00:53:16.869 --> 00:53:20.010
And that information was mostly objective. It was just the facts.

1017
00:53:20.369 --> 00:53:24.380
There wasn't a lot of opining and politicization of what

1018
00:53:24.440 --> 00:53:27.639
was going on. It was a news report. And I

1019
00:53:27.880 --> 00:53:33.710
miss that. I miss having, you know, that that thread

1020
00:53:34.349 --> 00:53:39.550
that gives you, you know, some objective reporting on, you know,

1021
00:53:39.789 --> 00:53:42.179
what's what's happening, you know, what's happening in Iran. Just

1022
00:53:42.219 --> 00:53:45.300
give me the facts. Let me decide. I'm I'm a

1023
00:53:45.340 --> 00:53:49.159
big boy. I, you know, I'm studied enough that, you know,

1024
00:53:49.199 --> 00:53:53.260
given the information I can I can choose and decide

1025
00:53:53.300 --> 00:53:55.219
what I believe in. I don't want to be told

1026
00:53:55.260 --> 00:53:59.159
by somebody who has a political bent how I should think.

1027
00:54:00.230 --> 00:54:04.010
Yeah, I think you and I are encouraging everyone listening

1028
00:54:04.070 --> 00:54:09.880
to us to work hard to find more objective perspectives

1029
00:54:09.960 --> 00:54:12.019
on news. And if you can't find that, look at

1030
00:54:12.079 --> 00:54:14.639
both sides and kind of figure out what do you

1031
00:54:14.659 --> 00:54:19.519
think is more in the middle and realistic. And over time,

1032
00:54:19.579 --> 00:54:22.340
I do think pendulums swing and there's been such a

1033
00:54:22.400 --> 00:54:25.800
loss of trust because everything has been so ideological and

1034
00:54:25.860 --> 00:54:30.440
politicized and less objective that Some solid news sources or

1035
00:54:30.500 --> 00:54:35.000
some solid people giving us accurate information should rise to

1036
00:54:35.039 --> 00:54:38.019
be popular again. But we have to make those choices.

1037
00:54:38.099 --> 00:54:40.239
We have to look for that. And we can't just

1038
00:54:40.340 --> 00:54:43.800
criticize the other side and blindly, you know, say, oh,

1039
00:54:43.880 --> 00:54:45.039
I like my news source.

1040
00:54:45.440 --> 00:54:49.079
We're going to look for what's objective. So truth takes honesty.

1041
00:54:49.320 --> 00:54:50.440
You know, living in the light.

1042
00:54:50.500 --> 00:54:54.530
I was talking about living in the light, disclosing who

1043
00:54:54.570 --> 00:54:57.590
you are and what's really going on. That's something we

1044
00:54:57.630 --> 00:55:01.650
need in America. And it starts with me. And I

1045
00:55:01.690 --> 00:55:04.210
think it starts with the Christian faith because Christian faith

1046
00:55:04.710 --> 00:55:07.110
tells us we can live in the light because our

1047
00:55:07.190 --> 00:55:10.030
sins are forgiven by God. And even if we admit

1048
00:55:10.289 --> 00:55:12.860
how messed up we are that we messed up, there's

1049
00:55:12.920 --> 00:55:15.920
forgiveness and grace. And if there's no grace out there,

1050
00:55:16.420 --> 00:55:18.440
then people are going to hide and they're going.

1051
00:55:18.360 --> 00:55:20.019
To pretend they didn't mess up. And that's where you

1052
00:55:20.039 --> 00:55:20.579
lose trust.

1053
00:55:21.219 --> 00:55:23.980
And I think this is where leadership can come into play.

1054
00:55:24.639 --> 00:55:26.789
And I think that America is looking for that kind

1055
00:55:26.829 --> 00:55:28.829
of leadership to take us from where we are right

1056
00:55:28.889 --> 00:55:32.250
now into a better place, a place where, you know,

1057
00:55:32.289 --> 00:55:35.369
we can, again, trust our fellow man, trust our government,

1058
00:55:35.570 --> 00:55:40.500
trust the institutions. And, you know, and so there's some

1059
00:55:40.539 --> 00:55:43.679
work to be done, as you said, an individual effort.

1060
00:55:44.119 --> 00:55:47.320
And then in the individual efforts of these agencies and

1061
00:55:47.340 --> 00:55:51.909
these institutions that have been created, you know, we had

1062
00:55:51.969 --> 00:55:54.510
hoped that they'd been created for the good of America

1063
00:55:54.769 --> 00:55:56.269
and the good of the world. I mean, look at

1064
00:55:56.309 --> 00:56:00.530
what America is, how, how America has contributed to the welfare,

1065
00:56:00.610 --> 00:56:04.690
not only of America and Americans, but the world at large, Jeff,

1066
00:56:04.730 --> 00:56:06.190
we got about a minute left. I'm going to let

1067
00:56:06.210 --> 00:56:07.269
you wrap it up. Go ahead.

1068
00:56:08.050 --> 00:56:13.090
Well, I'm grateful for a democratic Republic. I'm grateful for

1069
00:56:13.150 --> 00:56:15.489
the public servants that have worked in the past. I'm

1070
00:56:15.650 --> 00:56:17.769
grateful for the role the media has played at giving

1071
00:56:17.829 --> 00:56:23.119
us information, but, I too am concerned, but I can

1072
00:56:23.159 --> 00:56:25.739
only work on myself and be more objective with how

1073
00:56:25.860 --> 00:56:28.389
I see information and what I spread that I don't

1074
00:56:28.530 --> 00:56:31.630
overly characterize other people. And you and I both want

1075
00:56:32.030 --> 00:56:36.010
that sort of individual responsibility to grow trust starting in

1076
00:56:36.050 --> 00:56:40.030
our own relationships. And if they're interested in strong relationships

1077
00:56:40.090 --> 00:56:43.750
and friendships, that's what my menhuddle.com website.

1078
00:56:43.349 --> 00:56:43.889
Is all about.

1079
00:56:45.130 --> 00:56:47.070
And also jeffkepp.com, right?

1080
00:56:47.690 --> 00:56:51.239
Yep, menhuddle.com. and JeffKempTeam.com.

1081
00:56:52.610 --> 00:56:54.489
Hey, don't forget, you can catch the show on all

1082
00:56:54.550 --> 00:56:59.250
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1083
00:56:59.349 --> 00:57:01.980
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Getting america back on track bill martinez live.

1101
00:58:15.619 --> 00:58:17.500
Well good morning six minutes after the top of the

1102
00:58:17.519 --> 00:58:20.360
hour bill martinez here and uh she can run but

1103
00:58:20.400 --> 00:58:22.039
she can't hide it's been a minute or two it's

1104
00:58:22.059 --> 00:58:24.860
been too long actually since uh terry beatley and i've

1105
00:58:24.880 --> 00:58:26.900
been able to get together hey terry good morning to

1106
00:58:26.980 --> 00:58:29.119
you good to have you back with us thank you

1107
00:58:29.159 --> 00:58:31.260
bill good to be back Well, a little bit of

1108
00:58:31.280 --> 00:58:34.380
the background here for those of you that I don't

1109
00:58:34.400 --> 00:58:38.440
know how you'd be missing, Terry, because she's been so

1110
00:58:38.619 --> 00:58:41.420
out there when it comes to life. She's the author

1111
00:58:41.440 --> 00:58:44.440
of Pro-Life Activist and founder and president of the Hosea

1112
00:58:44.599 --> 00:58:49.559
Initiative in 2009. She was personally commissioned by Dr. Bernard Nathanson,

1113
00:58:49.940 --> 00:58:53.590
NARAL's co-founder. He was the architect of the modern abortion

1114
00:58:53.639 --> 00:58:58.230
movement to share his deathbed conversion and reveal how America

1115
00:58:58.250 --> 00:59:04.510
is was deceived about abortion. And this has been her

1116
00:59:04.570 --> 00:59:08.050
recent march and commitment for a decade plus now, right, Terry?

1117
00:59:08.349 --> 00:59:08.849
That's it.

1118
00:59:09.030 --> 00:59:09.969
Oh, yeah, plus a decade.

1119
00:59:10.360 --> 00:59:10.820
Plus.

1120
00:59:11.179 --> 00:59:12.860
Yeah, don't forget the plus.

1121
00:59:12.900 --> 00:59:13.639
Yes, exactly.

1122
00:59:13.820 --> 00:59:18.190
His legacy is so, it's more relevant today, Bill, than

1123
00:59:18.730 --> 00:59:25.230
any time in history, because He's the one who deceived,

1124
00:59:25.489 --> 00:59:28.110
he and his partner Lawrence Slater, deceived the United States

1125
00:59:28.150 --> 00:59:32.190
Supreme Court into that whole Roe v. Wade decision. He's

1126
00:59:32.250 --> 00:59:35.389
the one who trained Planned Parenthood doctors on how to,

1127
00:59:35.849 --> 00:59:39.610
quite frankly, slaughter babies in the womb. And he's the

1128
00:59:39.670 --> 00:59:43.309
doctor who did what Dr. Fauci said to do, which

1129
00:59:43.389 --> 00:59:44.889
is follow the science.

1130
00:59:45.550 --> 00:59:46.070
And Dr.

1131
00:59:46.110 --> 00:59:49.469
Nathanson starting in 1973, the same year we got Roe v. Wade,

1132
00:59:51.449 --> 00:59:54.300
What Americans don't know is that the father of the

1133
00:59:54.360 --> 01:00:00.079
modern day abortion industry followed the science of real-time ultrasound,

1134
01:00:00.119 --> 01:00:02.480
which was a brand new invention back in 1973. And

1135
01:00:02.539 --> 01:00:06.880
he was an atheist. As an atheist, he saw that

1136
01:00:06.920 --> 01:00:11.019
baby moving and yawning and stretching on real-time ultrasound. And

1137
01:00:11.059 --> 01:00:17.360
the father of America's industry of abortion begins his pro-life conversion.

1138
01:00:17.780 --> 01:00:19.280
And nobody knows his story.

1139
01:00:20.000 --> 01:00:23.219
Right. Exactly. Well, and you were charged to be the

1140
01:00:23.440 --> 01:00:26.639
one to carry this message out. And it was a

1141
01:00:26.719 --> 01:00:31.429
huge mea culpa on Nathanson's part because, you know, he

1142
01:00:31.449 --> 01:00:34.269
had to realize, like we all do, is that we're

1143
01:00:34.289 --> 01:00:34.949
going to be judged.

1144
01:00:35.730 --> 01:00:35.949
Yeah.

1145
01:00:36.429 --> 01:00:36.650
Yeah.

1146
01:00:37.650 --> 01:00:37.849
Yeah.

1147
01:00:37.969 --> 01:00:40.809
And I'm glad you mentioned that because I interviewed him

1148
01:00:40.909 --> 01:00:46.349
on December 1st, 2009, at his apartment in Manhattan, New York.

1149
01:00:47.409 --> 01:00:49.690
And he had been pro-life, 100% pro-life since 1979. So

1150
01:00:49.730 --> 01:00:50.829
it took him from 1973 to 1979 to make that

1151
01:00:50.829 --> 01:00:52.900
100% conversion. Rape, incest, life of the mother. There's no

1152
01:00:52.920 --> 01:01:06.170
reason to ever go kill the baby. You know, the

1153
01:01:06.210 --> 01:01:08.929
life of the mother it's well, if the mother's life

1154
01:01:08.989 --> 01:01:11.730
is in danger, remove the baby, but remove the baby,

1155
01:01:11.789 --> 01:01:13.949
at least with the intention of trying to preserve the

1156
01:01:13.989 --> 01:01:14.719
baby's life.

1157
01:01:15.219 --> 01:01:15.500
Right.

1158
01:01:15.960 --> 01:01:16.219
Okay.

1159
01:01:16.639 --> 01:01:21.619
So, so he had been pro-life a hundred percent since 1979. He, he,

1160
01:01:21.800 --> 01:01:27.250
he spent the second half of the 1980s contemplating suicide

1161
01:01:28.670 --> 01:01:31.690
because just, he had really come to grips with what

1162
01:01:31.730 --> 01:01:33.809
he had done in unleashing this culture of death.

1163
01:01:34.780 --> 01:01:38.760
He, along with how many women that had abortions that

1164
01:01:38.860 --> 01:01:45.159
have committed suicide or have been, you know, have certainly

1165
01:01:45.840 --> 01:01:50.000
considered suicide. We know that, that it's very well documented, Terry.

1166
01:01:50.699 --> 01:01:51.260
Yes, it is.

1167
01:01:51.300 --> 01:01:55.309
And that's very much covered up. In fact, the other

1168
01:01:55.329 --> 01:01:58.110
day I was talking with a lady who used to

1169
01:01:58.150 --> 01:02:01.070
be a physician's assistant. She's now retired, but she was

1170
01:02:01.110 --> 01:02:04.929
a PA, physician's assistant assistant. at the VA hospital. And

1171
01:02:05.070 --> 01:02:08.510
she said years ago, so we got Roe v.

1172
01:02:08.550 --> 01:02:09.190
Wade, 1973.

1173
01:02:09.190 --> 01:02:11.909
I believe she was talking about like the late 80s

1174
01:02:12.010 --> 01:02:15.340
into the 90s, maybe into the early 2000s as well.

1175
01:02:17.559 --> 01:02:20.519
And she said all of a sudden they started seeing

1176
01:02:20.699 --> 01:02:24.360
women coming in in their 40s and 50s in the

1177
01:02:24.400 --> 01:02:29.170
VA hospital and they were having anxiety attacks. And she'd

1178
01:02:29.210 --> 01:02:32.059
run all sorts of tests and all this. Nothing would

1179
01:02:32.099 --> 01:02:36.510
ever show. And then she learned that the question she

1180
01:02:36.550 --> 01:02:40.369
needed to be asking is, do you have abortion in

1181
01:02:40.409 --> 01:02:40.909
your past?

1182
01:02:40.949 --> 01:02:41.869
Your history, yeah.

1183
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And she said, I'm like, you mean every, and she's like, yes, Terry,

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every single woman who was coming in with those symptoms,

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all of them said yes. And they'd either burst out

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crying or they'd realized that they had never dealt with

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that grief. And so we have a nation, Bill, with

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millions of women who are dealing with this or they've

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never dealt with it. And so why is Nathanson's story

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so relevant? Here it is. Because nobody, nobody, including that

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01:03:13.829 --> 01:03:16.610
woman who's had three or four or five abortions, okay,

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01:03:16.630 --> 01:03:21.469
because she just didn't know, nobody can out-abort Dr. Bernard Nathanson.

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He was personally responsible for 75,000 abortions, including two of

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01:03:26.269 --> 01:03:31.610
his own children, okay? And he came clean. He did

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01:03:31.670 --> 01:03:35.840
his 100% pro-life conversion as an atheist. And then on

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December 1st, December 8th, December 6th, oh my gosh, I'm blank,

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December 8th, 1996, Dr. Nathanson became a baptized child of

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God at St. Patrick's Cathedral in New York City. He

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laid down his way to the Lord's way, and he

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received the love and mercy of Jesus Christ, which is

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why we're doing that Mercy for Life Sunday, October 11th.

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Okay, since you brought this up, now this is a

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a nationwide coordination. You got 250 plus churches involved, united

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in prayer and interceding on October the 11th this year

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on America's 250th birthday. Go ahead and tell us more

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about that.

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Yeah.

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So it's our birthday, 250 years, all year long, right?

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And we went into prayer trying to figure out, well,

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what do we gift a nation in its 250th anniversary

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of independence and freedom And what our nation needs more

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than anything is God's unfathomable mercy for our apathetic response

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to legalized abortion. Because we now have 65 million children

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who have died at the hands of an abortionist. And

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01:04:55.739 --> 01:04:58.780
so what we're doing is we've launched this. I mean,

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our goal is minimum 250 churches. We need more churches

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01:05:02.539 --> 01:05:04.800
signed up when we want them in all 50 states.

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Not one state left behind. And so what is it?

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It's during Mass, after Mass, during the prayer service or

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after the prayer service or whatever. And even if the

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01:05:20.449 --> 01:05:23.530
pastor says, no, I'm not going to participate in this. Well,

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then let the body of Christ come together after the

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prayer service or the Mass and lift up very specific prayers.

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01:05:31.030 --> 01:05:34.760
And we have those prayers posted on the website. It's

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right there. So if people go to Hosea4u. org, so it's H-O-S-E-A,

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like the book in the Bible, Hosea, the number four,

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and then Y-O-U, Hosea4u. org. And look for the tab up

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top that says Mercy for Life. Click that open. It

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01:05:55.889 --> 01:05:58.440
explains everything I just went over. It shows you the

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four or five buckets of prayer that And then as

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01:06:01.010 --> 01:06:06.070
you scroll down, we have all the different downloads. Like,

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what do I take my pastor to introduce this? And

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we have a letter to the pastor. We have general

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information form. We've got the top 10 facts about Dr.

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Bernard Nathanson. And then below that section, we have the

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one page of prayers of the faithful, and it covers everything.

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And if the church, if the body of Christ, and

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I don't care what flavor, okay, if the body of

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Christ would come together on October 11th during Mass, after Mass,

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during the prayer service, or after the prayer service, if

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the pastors aren't going to lead, Well, then you got

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to lead for them in that way, if they're too

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afraid of this issue, and just lift up these prayers,

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01:06:49.119 --> 01:06:54.159
seeking God's unfathomable mercy. And so we need churches in

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all 50 states. So people go onto the website, they

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click on I'm interested in bringing this to my church.

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And go ahead and give us your contact information. Once

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you've gotten approval from your pastor, come back and fill

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it out again and give us the name of the church,

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the pastor's name, maybe the contact info. But worst case scenario,

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let not one church go by where somebody from that

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church is at least one person at the church lifting

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up these prayers.

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Amen.

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Well, we're talking with Terry Beatley. And of course, she's

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been talking about this nationwide coordination of 250 plus churches,

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our prayer is, that would be united in prayer and

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intercession on October the 11th, 2026, America's 250th birthday. You know, Terry,

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what comes to mind, first of all, and what more

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people are realizing is it is God who forgives sin.

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And what a lot of pastors, priests included, do not Really,

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it's hard for them to get their brain around. But,

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you know, Barna has done research on this, other groups

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as well. Approximately a third of the women in the

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pews on Sunday or during their weekend services have experienced

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an abortion. So now let's relate that to the families

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in the pew. You probably are getting maybe about 40

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or maybe even close to 50 percent. So almost half

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of the people in the pews, they're attending church, have

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been affected by an abortion. And it is one of

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these silent mental killers that is devastating women. And I

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dare say, you and I talked about this the last time,

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is more and more men are coming to the reality

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because men are natural protectors of their family. And they're

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coming to the realization that, oh, my God, look at

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what I've done. Can God forgive me?

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Yes.

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And yes, God can forgive and God will forgive. All

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one has to do is repent for his or her

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sin for the involvement of abortion. Fall on your bended knee,

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pour your heart out to our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.

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And he promises us he will forgive you. That's the

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beginning of that whole healing process. That's what Dr. Nathanson

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had to do. He spent a number of years going

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to psychologists, psychiatrists. He went back, even though he did,

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he did not have an, what'd he say?

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An ounce of, of.

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Faith in his life. But he went back to a

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Jewish rabbi and he said, you know, I feel really

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bad about all the abortions and unleashing that. But the

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rabbi didn't have the answers for Dr. Nathanson. And just,

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I mean, his path crossed with a clergyman happened to

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be a Catholic priest. And for five years, Dr. Nathanson

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and the Catholic priests would read the Bible, would read great,

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great books like from G.K. Chesterton, Thomas Merton, reading all

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these great writers of the past. And and somewhere in

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the five and a half years, Dr. Nathanson stopped contemplating

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suicide and he began contemplating the love and mercy of

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who we call Jesus Christ.

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Yeah.

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And that's when he was baptized, December 1996. So what God,

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I believe, is doing with this powerful, true story of Dr. Nathanson,

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it's leading the way to help people realize that, well, wow,

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if God could forgive Dr. Bernard Nathanson, who unleashed all

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this onto our nation, surely God could forgive me. And

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that's what's happening, Bill. And I believe October 11th is

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going to be a breakthrough for our nation. So in

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a perfect world, this is what it would look like

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in a perfect world. The pastor would say, oh, I

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think this is a great idea. He or she would

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equip every family of their church with at least one

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fact check booklet, which people can go get those on

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our website. It's called America's Abortion King, His Journey from

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Deceit to Divine Mercy. It's very inexpensive and it's even

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less expensive. It's like $ 4 or so for an individual.

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The church or anybody can get a case of $ 200.

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which it ends up being like a dollar 70 or

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something per booklet. And it teaches you just enough of

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the Dr. Bernard Nathanson legacy, the eight point strategy of deception,

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his parting message to America, which he told me to deliver.

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And I would be remiss if I did not share that. Um,

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so in a perfect world, the pastor says, yes, we're

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going to do this. Every family gets equipped with a

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fact check booklet. Um, And he starts teaching people about Dr.

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Bernard Nathanson, perhaps even before October 11th. And then the

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church together, collectively, let's lift up those prayers. We'll get

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signed up for our email so we can continue because

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we're all about, we call it Educate for Action, Expose

1413
01:16:40.689 --> 01:16:45.739
the Lies. Educate for action. Stop the killing. I believe, Bill,

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01:16:46.180 --> 01:16:48.350
when we do what the Word of God says, my

1415
01:16:48.390 --> 01:16:52.409
people are destroyed for lack of knowledge. It doesn't say

1416
01:16:52.449 --> 01:16:54.850
my people are destroyed for voting for the wrong political

1417
01:16:54.930 --> 01:16:59.020
party or da-da-da-da, which does have major implications. But the

1418
01:16:59.270 --> 01:17:03.130
main thing is it's for lack of knowledge. So, you know,

1419
01:17:03.210 --> 01:17:06.689
I meet people every day who did not know that

1420
01:17:07.029 --> 01:17:10.600
there are many politicians and there's a political party. I'm

1421
01:17:10.619 --> 01:17:12.659
not going to name which one, but they are for

1422
01:17:12.760 --> 01:17:16.579
killing babies all nine months of pregnancy, including when the

1423
01:17:16.619 --> 01:17:19.590
baby's coming down the birth canal. And that could be like,

1424
01:17:19.989 --> 01:17:22.729
you know what? I really don't want this baby. Go

1425
01:17:22.770 --> 01:17:25.970
kill it. I don't want this baby. That's literally legal

1426
01:17:26.050 --> 01:17:29.289
now in, well, quite frankly, if you look at, anyway,

1427
01:17:29.449 --> 01:17:32.750
in many, many states, they've now ratified that in law.

1428
01:17:33.029 --> 01:17:35.590
And we're losing the states. I mean, Roe v. Wade's overturned,

1429
01:17:35.609 --> 01:17:39.090
but now the issue is in the state's hands and

1430
01:17:39.109 --> 01:17:41.409
we're losing the states left and right. And this is

1431
01:17:41.590 --> 01:17:45.520
why Nathanson's legacy is so important. We have to wake

1432
01:17:45.680 --> 01:17:48.500
up First, the body of Christ. And if we can

1433
01:17:48.520 --> 01:17:51.720
get those people educated, they can go educate other people

1434
01:17:52.039 --> 01:17:53.630
who may not know the Lord yet.

1435
01:17:53.970 --> 01:17:54.630
And guess what?

1436
01:17:54.930 --> 01:18:00.789
We've created a revolution to unite the United States of America.

1437
01:18:00.829 --> 01:18:03.310
Right now, we're a divided country. We have to be

1438
01:18:03.329 --> 01:18:06.350
the United States of America. And the number one thing

1439
01:18:06.409 --> 01:18:09.600
we have to be united on is united on life,

1440
01:18:10.020 --> 01:18:14.300
united on the fact that every single human being has

1441
01:18:14.380 --> 01:18:15.220
the right to life.

1442
01:18:15.800 --> 01:18:18.720
Exactly. Well, what united us in the first place, Terry,

1443
01:18:19.060 --> 01:18:21.319
was the word of God. And it's the word of

1444
01:18:21.390 --> 01:18:24.930
God that will break that stony heart. That needs to

1445
01:18:24.970 --> 01:18:28.930
come to the forefront because there is a call for repentance.

1446
01:18:29.430 --> 01:18:31.489
But you don't repent if you don't know what you're

1447
01:18:31.529 --> 01:18:32.350
repenting for.

1448
01:18:32.369 --> 01:18:33.170
Right.

1449
01:18:33.470 --> 01:18:33.949
Exactly.

1450
01:18:34.270 --> 01:18:37.090
And so you need to bring that needs to come

1451
01:18:37.130 --> 01:18:39.779
into focus is that what we have done is we

1452
01:18:39.880 --> 01:18:43.789
grieved a holy God. And when you get your brain

1453
01:18:43.829 --> 01:18:46.590
around that, and I think that's what Bernard Nathanson finally

1454
01:18:46.649 --> 01:18:50.460
came to that realization, is that he offended God. But

1455
01:18:51.340 --> 01:18:53.859
as you said, God in his grace and mercy is

1456
01:18:53.899 --> 01:18:56.850
just waiting for us to say, Father, I am sorry.

1457
01:18:56.939 --> 01:19:00.369
Please forgive me. And I think people will find themselves

1458
01:19:00.930 --> 01:19:04.149
very blessed and amazed at how forgiving God is.

1459
01:19:05.470 --> 01:19:07.569
May I tell you one story about a man I

1460
01:19:07.609 --> 01:19:10.630
met at a Baptist church ever so quickly? Okay. It

1461
01:19:10.829 --> 01:19:13.770
drives the point home. There was a Baptist minister in

1462
01:19:13.829 --> 01:19:16.949
Virginia who wanted me to come and present all about Dr.

1463
01:19:16.970 --> 01:19:19.989
Bernard Nathanson. I call it the deadliest American hoax. It's

1464
01:19:20.029 --> 01:19:23.920
about an hour presentation. And the church was packed. It

1465
01:19:23.939 --> 01:19:25.020
was on a Wednesday night.

1466
01:19:25.359 --> 01:19:25.600
Wow.

1467
01:19:26.060 --> 01:19:28.760
When it was over, people were walking up thanking me.

1468
01:19:29.659 --> 01:19:32.539
But one man walked up and I must have been

1469
01:19:32.659 --> 01:19:35.760
standing on the the step. Cause I remember sort of

1470
01:19:35.819 --> 01:19:39.260
looking down at him. And the reason I share that

1471
01:19:39.420 --> 01:19:42.539
is because he was looking up at me in the

1472
01:19:42.600 --> 01:19:46.699
most child like way. And that's the only reason I'm

1473
01:19:46.800 --> 01:19:48.579
sharing this. Like I'm looking down at him. He's looking

1474
01:19:48.640 --> 01:19:50.560
up at me and he said, Ms. Beatley. And this

1475
01:19:50.600 --> 01:19:54.619
guy was 50 some years old, pushing 60. And he said,

1476
01:19:55.850 --> 01:19:59.789
thank you for coming and sharing this, this legacy. He said,

1477
01:19:59.970 --> 01:20:04.239
until tonight, he said, I've been going to this church

1478
01:20:04.260 --> 01:20:06.479
since I was a little boy. I'm here every Wednesday night,

1479
01:20:06.579 --> 01:20:08.779
every Sunday night. And he said, and it's not the

1480
01:20:08.819 --> 01:20:14.039
pastor's fault. He said, but I literally thought abortion was

1481
01:20:14.260 --> 01:20:18.420
literally a woman's right. It was a woman's right to choose.

1482
01:20:19.050 --> 01:20:22.550
Until I learned tonight that that was one of the

1483
01:20:22.770 --> 01:20:29.630
eight points of propaganda Dr. Nathanson devised. I'm like, Thank you.

1484
01:20:29.689 --> 01:20:31.430
And I've told that what I just told you and

1485
01:20:31.449 --> 01:20:34.789
your listening audience. I've told that all across America. This

1486
01:20:35.130 --> 01:20:39.270
this battle, I consider it done when more and more

1487
01:20:39.449 --> 01:20:43.659
men step into the fray, step into this battle. And

1488
01:20:43.699 --> 01:20:47.380
it starts with get educated. OK, I don't say this

1489
01:20:47.420 --> 01:20:49.500
to just tout the book because I want millions of

1490
01:20:49.539 --> 01:20:52.520
books sold. No, I wrote it to educate America. We

1491
01:20:52.539 --> 01:20:54.800
got two things. We got the big book called What

1492
01:20:54.840 --> 01:20:57.180
If We've Been Wrong? And you can go right to

1493
01:20:57.300 --> 01:20:59.420
Amazon and get that. And then we've got the fact

1494
01:20:59.460 --> 01:21:01.659
check booklet. And we wrote that because we knew not

1495
01:21:01.720 --> 01:21:03.979
everybody's going to read the big book and learn the

1496
01:21:04.100 --> 01:21:06.989
real full, full backstory. But that fact check booklet, which

1497
01:21:07.029 --> 01:21:11.350
is like $ 4 or $ 4. 50, something like that, it teaches

1498
01:21:11.430 --> 01:21:14.090
everybody just enough. And it's so nice. You don't want

1499
01:21:14.130 --> 01:21:16.710
to throw it away. And you can sit down with

1500
01:21:16.789 --> 01:21:22.460
somebody and share. Like if your granddaughter says, you know, granddad,

1501
01:21:22.479 --> 01:21:26.170
you know, I'm pro-choice. You know, I just graduated from college,

1502
01:21:26.229 --> 01:21:29.590
and I learned it's a woman's right to choose. Well,

1503
01:21:29.630 --> 01:21:33.109
granddad could say, sweetheart, I know you think you're pro-choice,

1504
01:21:33.510 --> 01:21:38.500
you know, which technically means pro-abortion. But, sweetheart, have you

1505
01:21:38.619 --> 01:21:43.760
ever heard of the man named Dr. Bernard Nathanson? No, granddad,

1506
01:21:43.800 --> 01:21:44.880
I've never even heard of him.

1507
01:21:44.939 --> 01:21:45.460
Who's that?

1508
01:21:45.920 --> 01:21:48.020
Well, sweetheart, come on over here. I'm going to sit

1509
01:21:48.060 --> 01:21:50.210
in my recliner, and you sit over there, grab the

1510
01:21:50.250 --> 01:21:51.729
pillow and the blanket, and I'm going to tell you

1511
01:21:51.770 --> 01:21:56.149
a story. about a man named Dr. Bernard Nathanson. And

1512
01:21:56.229 --> 01:21:59.630
I promise you, Bill, that if we can teach men

1513
01:21:59.930 --> 01:22:06.090
and women across America to share this beautiful, beautiful story

1514
01:22:06.869 --> 01:22:11.609
from deceit to divine mercy, we will be lighting a

1515
01:22:11.909 --> 01:22:16.659
fire of truth across our nation. And we will, I'm

1516
01:22:16.720 --> 01:22:20.500
already seeing it, but we, millions of more people will

1517
01:22:20.560 --> 01:22:25.430
see this. Romans 8, 28. God promises us, it's a

1518
01:22:25.569 --> 01:22:30.250
promise that all things work together for good to those

1519
01:22:30.289 --> 01:22:33.960
who love the Lord and are called according to his promise.

1520
01:22:34.500 --> 01:22:40.020
That even includes the legacy of Dr. Bernard Nathanson. It's

1521
01:22:40.060 --> 01:22:42.659
like people would be like, what good can come from

1522
01:22:42.699 --> 01:22:46.229
Bernard Nathanson's story? What good can come from it is

1523
01:22:46.329 --> 01:22:50.829
make it widely known because he didn't die an abortionist, Bill.

1524
01:22:51.439 --> 01:22:56.229
He died a baptized child of God, fully repentant for

1525
01:22:56.250 --> 01:22:59.949
this culture of death. He left behind. And he wanted

1526
01:23:00.010 --> 01:23:02.109
everybody to know this. And I'll wrap it up with this.

1527
01:23:02.789 --> 01:23:06.649
At the end of the interview on December 1st, 2009,

1528
01:23:06.649 --> 01:23:09.170
I didn't go there for this. In fact, I didn't

1529
01:23:09.189 --> 01:23:11.449
even think the interview was going to happen. But I

1530
01:23:11.489 --> 01:23:14.569
didn't have this question written down. I asked it because

1531
01:23:14.810 --> 01:23:19.689
I felt so sorry for this 83-year-old, terminally ill, dying man.

1532
01:23:19.729 --> 01:23:22.899
He was dying of cancer. And he was very, very frail.

1533
01:23:22.960 --> 01:23:25.500
And at the end, I said, Dr. Nathanson, I know

1534
01:23:25.539 --> 01:23:29.140
you're too sick to get your message out anymore. If

1535
01:23:29.220 --> 01:23:32.880
you have a message for America, and if you tell

1536
01:23:32.920 --> 01:23:36.020
me what it is, I promise you I'll deliver it

1537
01:23:36.060 --> 01:23:40.329
across our country until it becomes common knowledge, Roe v.

1538
01:23:40.369 --> 01:23:46.229
Wade's overturned, or I die, whichever one comes first. And Dr. Nathanson,

1539
01:23:46.409 --> 01:23:48.649
and honestly, I thought he was going to say, Terry,

1540
01:23:48.689 --> 01:23:50.630
my day is done. You know, I'm not going to

1541
01:23:50.649 --> 01:23:53.390
be around very much longer. You pro-lifers take it from here.

1542
01:23:53.609 --> 01:23:56.850
He didn't, Bill. He looked up at me and he said,

1543
01:23:56.869 --> 01:23:59.770
because I think I was standing then, and he looked

1544
01:23:59.850 --> 01:24:02.390
up at me with the only time there was a

1545
01:24:02.430 --> 01:24:05.159
little glimmer of hope in his eyes. And he said

1546
01:24:05.180 --> 01:24:09.520
the following. He said, yes. He said, teach the strategy

1547
01:24:09.960 --> 01:24:12.340
of how I deceived America.

1548
01:24:12.359 --> 01:24:12.960
Wow.

1549
01:24:12.979 --> 01:24:13.079
Hmm.

1550
01:24:14.739 --> 01:24:17.520
And that's all in that little $ 4 fact check booklet.

1551
01:24:17.600 --> 01:24:21.039
And then he said, and then tell America that the

1552
01:24:21.180 --> 01:24:27.960
co-founder of NARAL Pro-Choice America, which was the pro-abortion political

1553
01:24:28.039 --> 01:24:30.979
action organization he founded in the late 60s. So he

1554
01:24:31.000 --> 01:24:35.399
said that the co-founder of NARAL Pro-Choice America says to

1555
01:24:35.579 --> 01:24:41.859
love one another. Abortion is not love. Stop the killing.

1556
01:24:42.579 --> 01:24:47.310
The world needs more love And I'm all about love now.

1557
01:24:48.289 --> 01:24:48.430
Wow.

1558
01:24:49.250 --> 01:24:52.270
Terry Beatley, the author, pro-life activist and founder and president

1559
01:24:52.289 --> 01:24:55.430
of the Hosea Initiative. Terry, again, the website as we

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wrap up.

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Well, good morning and welcome back. Bill Martinez here. For

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at billmartinuslive.com. Well, this month is especially interesting Warm and

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fuzzy for me in lots of ways because being a

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who's with New Jersey Urology. And just a little bit

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with care. And to support that work, Johnson & Johnson,

1641
01:30:05.010 --> 01:30:09.630
the Advanced Practitioner Society for Hematology, created the Make It

1642
01:30:09.750 --> 01:30:14.500
Happen campaign, which highlights APPs and their crucial role in

1643
01:30:14.539 --> 01:30:19.779
cancer care by providing resources, education, and opportunities to improve

1644
01:30:19.859 --> 01:30:24.270
patient-centered care in all settings. As I mentioned, APP's Victoria

1645
01:30:24.340 --> 01:30:30.319
Wong and Tim Weimer, who specialize in genitourinary cancers, are

1646
01:30:30.380 --> 01:30:34.439
here to tell us more about it. Victoria and Timothy,

1647
01:30:34.500 --> 01:30:35.859
welcome to the show. Good to have you with us.

1648
01:30:36.420 --> 01:30:37.539
Thank you for having us.

1649
01:30:38.380 --> 01:30:41.960
Well, Victoria, let me ask you. September, as I mentioned,

1650
01:30:42.180 --> 01:30:46.979
Prostate Cancer Awareness Month. How do APPs collaborate with oncologists

1651
01:30:47.260 --> 01:30:49.520
when caring for prostate cancer patients?

1652
01:30:50.270 --> 01:30:50.590
Yeah.

1653
01:30:50.770 --> 01:30:54.399
So we are very excited to be here on behalf

1654
01:30:54.439 --> 01:30:58.060
of Johnson & Johnson to raise awareness about how APPs

1655
01:30:58.119 --> 01:31:01.399
do collaborate with physicians. And I love that word. It

1656
01:31:01.479 --> 01:31:05.239
really is a collaboration because I work very closely with

1657
01:31:05.300 --> 01:31:09.199
my doctors and team and we take clinical data and

1658
01:31:09.390 --> 01:31:13.529
use that to help navigate our patients through different treatment

1659
01:31:13.670 --> 01:31:17.109
options and decisions that are available. I spend a lot

1660
01:31:17.149 --> 01:31:21.329
of my time on education and helping patients review different

1661
01:31:21.369 --> 01:31:25.229
side effects that they might encounter on their prostate cancer treatment.

1662
01:31:25.850 --> 01:31:29.850
And throughout their journey, I will order different laboratory testing,

1663
01:31:30.600 --> 01:31:35.359
radiology imaging, and monitor them for any toxicities or trouble

1664
01:31:35.420 --> 01:31:37.140
they might be having on their treatment.

1665
01:31:38.060 --> 01:31:39.819
You know, Victoria, I'm glad you used the term team.

1666
01:31:39.880 --> 01:31:42.920
I know that when I went through my experience, they

1667
01:31:42.960 --> 01:31:45.100
made me feel we were all part of the team,

1668
01:31:45.300 --> 01:31:48.279
you know, even the patient, you know, so That was

1669
01:31:48.319 --> 01:31:49.590
very comforting, just to say.

1670
01:31:49.609 --> 01:31:52.989
Yeah, I appreciate you sharing that. I really do feel

1671
01:31:53.010 --> 01:31:55.649
like it's a team effort, and we all work together.

1672
01:31:55.670 --> 01:31:56.449
Right.

1673
01:31:57.069 --> 01:32:02.670
Well, Tim, as I mentioned, big number. New prostate cancer cases, 333,830.

1674
01:32:02.670 --> 01:32:02.949
Wow.

1675
01:32:03.850 --> 01:32:07.789
Estimated just coming up in 2026 alone. So what role

1676
01:32:07.810 --> 01:32:11.350
do you play as a family nurse practitioner in early detection,

1677
01:32:11.789 --> 01:32:14.609
patient education, or referral for advanced cases?

1678
01:32:15.420 --> 01:32:18.579
Yeah, so I'm a family nurse practitioner. I've been doing

1679
01:32:18.600 --> 01:32:21.939
this for about 20 years in a urology setting. So,

1680
01:32:22.260 --> 01:32:24.960
you know, the most important things that we can stress

1681
01:32:25.199 --> 01:32:28.350
is really making sure you're getting your screening done, right?

1682
01:32:28.670 --> 01:32:32.109
So that starts out with a PSA level, typically done

1683
01:32:32.149 --> 01:32:35.470
by your primary doctor. You know, you want to make

1684
01:32:35.510 --> 01:32:38.090
sure you get that level done. Not that just, you know,

1685
01:32:38.210 --> 01:32:40.560
don't take the term like everything is normal. Make sure

1686
01:32:40.600 --> 01:32:43.359
your PSA level is done and then kind of understand

1687
01:32:43.399 --> 01:32:46.279
that value. Meaning that value has a number assessed to

1688
01:32:46.359 --> 01:32:49.000
it and that those numbers are zero to four and

1689
01:32:49.039 --> 01:32:51.880
you want to know where that number is. And then importantly,

1690
01:32:52.279 --> 01:32:54.710
what that, where that number's going, right? It's about that

1691
01:32:54.989 --> 01:32:57.390
trend of that number is really the key thing, right?

1692
01:32:57.430 --> 01:32:59.529
Not just that it's above four, that it went from

1693
01:32:59.930 --> 01:33:01.789
one to three in a period of a year is

1694
01:33:01.829 --> 01:33:05.130
a critical, important step in that. From there, you know,

1695
01:33:05.210 --> 01:33:07.840
once you're either, your number is elevated above four or

1696
01:33:07.880 --> 01:33:11.960
going quickly. you're seeing me or the urology practice in

1697
01:33:12.460 --> 01:33:15.260
regards to getting checked for that. What's the cause? What's

1698
01:33:15.279 --> 01:33:17.279
the cause behind that number being up? And that means

1699
01:33:17.619 --> 01:33:22.579
we start ordering checks, numbers, MRIs, biopsies if needed, and

1700
01:33:22.619 --> 01:33:26.020
then making those diagnosis of prostate cancers there. If we've

1701
01:33:26.060 --> 01:33:28.399
caught it early, you know, then we decide on what

1702
01:33:28.439 --> 01:33:31.359
therapies are needed or if it's, you know, a little

1703
01:33:31.399 --> 01:33:33.819
bit later in the course, what advanced therapies are needed

1704
01:33:34.359 --> 01:33:35.199
to treat the cancer.

1705
01:33:35.840 --> 01:33:40.340
You know, Tim, some, uh, Perspective patients didn't really quite

1706
01:33:40.399 --> 01:33:43.550
understand the PSA reading. And I'm glad the way you

1707
01:33:43.569 --> 01:33:46.470
spelled it out there from, you know, zero to four.

1708
01:33:47.289 --> 01:33:49.489
I was monitoring mine and I saw mine, you know,

1709
01:33:49.529 --> 01:33:54.430
consistently climb every year. And finally, I just I had

1710
01:33:54.470 --> 01:33:56.810
to go in for the biopsy and deal with the

1711
01:33:56.850 --> 01:34:01.239
reality that I had prostate cancer. But but the PSA

1712
01:34:01.300 --> 01:34:06.460
was critical and I was monitoring that constantly. And what

1713
01:34:06.659 --> 01:34:11.079
age is. is it recommended that males have a PSA test?

1714
01:34:11.840 --> 01:34:15.039
So if there's family history, we want it around the

1715
01:34:15.159 --> 01:34:18.800
age of 40. After that, if there's no family history,

1716
01:34:18.819 --> 01:34:21.510
you should at least get a baseline around 45, just

1717
01:34:21.520 --> 01:34:24.090
to get an understanding of where you're at, where you're

1718
01:34:24.109 --> 01:34:26.210
starting at. So you can do what you just said,

1719
01:34:26.289 --> 01:34:28.310
is kind of follow that number to make sure it's

1720
01:34:28.350 --> 01:34:30.670
not going up inappropriately or too quickly.

1721
01:34:31.369 --> 01:34:31.609
Right.

1722
01:34:31.970 --> 01:34:35.640
Victoria, your passion for oncology started as a patient volunteer

1723
01:34:35.680 --> 01:34:38.699
in hospice. How does that experience shape the way you

1724
01:34:38.739 --> 01:34:42.220
approach patient care for advanced prostate cancer patients?

1725
01:34:43.159 --> 01:34:46.079
Yeah, I was very lucky to have that experience as

1726
01:34:46.119 --> 01:34:49.100
a hospice volunteer because it taught me a lot of

1727
01:34:49.180 --> 01:34:53.119
things that, you know, just reading through a textbook can't

1728
01:34:53.159 --> 01:34:56.630
teach you. When I was with patients and their caregivers

1729
01:34:56.689 --> 01:35:00.050
towards the end of their journeys, I've learned a lot

1730
01:35:00.210 --> 01:35:04.949
about things like bedside manner and empathy. I also learned

1731
01:35:05.010 --> 01:35:08.329
that in talking to these patients that it was really

1732
01:35:08.390 --> 01:35:11.489
important for them to feel like they had some sort

1733
01:35:11.510 --> 01:35:13.750
of control and felt like they had a voice in

1734
01:35:13.770 --> 01:35:18.109
their treatment decisions. And truly, I bring that to every

1735
01:35:18.310 --> 01:35:21.750
patient-centered approach and every interaction that I have with my

1736
01:35:21.810 --> 01:35:25.350
patients and make sure I go the extra mile to

1737
01:35:25.520 --> 01:35:26.449
make them feel heard.

1738
01:35:27.569 --> 01:35:30.439
And Victoria, what you experienced, that's the only place you're

1739
01:35:30.460 --> 01:35:32.439
going to experience. You can't get that out of a book.

1740
01:35:33.800 --> 01:35:38.479
I agree. I think that education is obviously very important,

1741
01:35:38.640 --> 01:35:42.319
but having personal experience is something that you can't learn

1742
01:35:42.359 --> 01:35:44.779
just from a textbook. You really have to be able

1743
01:35:44.840 --> 01:35:47.060
to work closely with patients to learn that.

1744
01:35:47.619 --> 01:35:50.649
Exactly. Tim, walk us through your roles as an advanced

1745
01:35:50.689 --> 01:35:55.010
practice provider and what supporting patients looks like day to day.

1746
01:35:56.149 --> 01:36:00.189
So in dealing, once a diagnosis of prostate cancer has

1747
01:36:00.229 --> 01:36:03.600
been made, then it's a matter of you know, patients

1748
01:36:03.619 --> 01:36:05.340
will get that kind of, you get that meeting with

1749
01:36:05.380 --> 01:36:08.770
your provider, you're diagnosed with prostate cancer and you're kind

1750
01:36:08.779 --> 01:36:11.750
of in shock and are told a lot of information all,

1751
01:36:11.970 --> 01:36:14.409
all of a sudden. And then you have like a

1752
01:36:14.449 --> 01:36:16.510
couple of weeks where you're going to go see, you know,

1753
01:36:16.729 --> 01:36:20.829
different types of doctors to make different decisions on treatment. So,

1754
01:36:20.949 --> 01:36:22.869
you know, one of my roles is to help kind

1755
01:36:22.930 --> 01:36:26.449
of navigate patients through this and give them a, you know,

1756
01:36:26.529 --> 01:36:28.909
an ear, you know, essentially have them be able to

1757
01:36:28.970 --> 01:36:31.130
help them guide because Once you get out of that visit,

1758
01:36:31.189 --> 01:36:33.100
you're kind of just kind of in shock and also

1759
01:36:33.140 --> 01:36:35.760
have a ton of tons of questions. That's really where

1760
01:36:35.800 --> 01:36:37.960
the APP comes in. You know, we can help kind

1761
01:36:38.000 --> 01:36:40.500
of guide you through the process, get you there, help

1762
01:36:40.560 --> 01:36:43.119
give you an understanding of why we're doing this. And

1763
01:36:43.159 --> 01:36:45.779
then as time goes on and as you're getting treatment,

1764
01:36:46.100 --> 01:36:49.479
what to experience, what side effects you can have occur,

1765
01:36:49.880 --> 01:36:52.460
and then kind of understanding if this is normal, not normal.

1766
01:36:52.819 --> 01:36:55.380
And then as time goes on, if you're treated or cured,

1767
01:36:55.680 --> 01:36:58.409
you also want to make sure that you're still watching

1768
01:36:58.430 --> 01:37:01.310
your PSA, right? So it's important if you're doing well,

1769
01:37:01.550 --> 01:37:03.670
that you still want to know that your prostate level

1770
01:37:03.970 --> 01:37:06.229
is something that can go up again or you can

1771
01:37:06.270 --> 01:37:09.050
get reoccurrence. So, and that's where the APPs come in

1772
01:37:09.090 --> 01:37:10.989
as well. If we start to see these things, we

1773
01:37:11.010 --> 01:37:13.170
pick these things up early and then get you back

1774
01:37:13.250 --> 01:37:15.310
in and screened again or tested again. So you're making

1775
01:37:15.350 --> 01:37:17.170
sure you're getting the right type of medicine and therapy.

1776
01:37:17.710 --> 01:37:19.550
Yeah, Tim, I can tell you for me, I check

1777
01:37:19.590 --> 01:37:23.380
it twice a year. I just routinely, you know, do that. So,

1778
01:37:23.819 --> 01:37:25.500
you know, my doctors are on top of that and

1779
01:37:25.539 --> 01:37:28.670
I really appreciate their support. Victoria, why is it so

1780
01:37:28.710 --> 01:37:32.149
critical that prostate cancer patients stay on track with their therapy?

1781
01:37:33.409 --> 01:37:36.659
Adherence or staying on track is very important because we've

1782
01:37:36.699 --> 01:37:40.279
learned that that helps provide the best possible outcome. I

1783
01:37:40.300 --> 01:37:42.979
think it's really important for all the listeners to know

1784
01:37:43.039 --> 01:37:47.600
that even if patients have an advanced form of prostate cancer,

1785
01:37:48.079 --> 01:37:51.100
that we can still look at it like a chronic illness.

1786
01:37:51.670 --> 01:37:55.189
Patients are maintaining their quality of life on treatment and

1787
01:37:55.229 --> 01:37:58.109
a lot of times getting their treatment at home. But

1788
01:37:58.250 --> 01:38:01.670
we know that when there are more treatment options available,

1789
01:38:01.729 --> 01:38:05.800
that that can lead to greater complexity. Patients will have

1790
01:38:05.899 --> 01:38:10.680
more information and questions and concerns. And I think that's

1791
01:38:10.720 --> 01:38:14.819
where APPs really shine because we really do want to

1792
01:38:15.060 --> 01:38:19.340
help the patient understand and feel confident why they're on treatment.

1793
01:38:19.909 --> 01:38:20.729
Why they are.

1794
01:38:20.810 --> 01:38:23.770
On this type of treatment and how to take the treatment.

1795
01:38:23.789 --> 01:38:27.930
Patients feel comfortable and feel like they're heard and that

1796
01:38:27.970 --> 01:38:32.090
their questions are addressed. They have a higher likelihood of

1797
01:38:32.210 --> 01:38:34.810
staying on this treatment, which again can lead to the

1798
01:38:34.850 --> 01:38:35.810
best possible outcomes.

1799
01:38:36.270 --> 01:38:38.529
Well, exactly. Kim, as we wrap things up, the last

1800
01:38:38.569 --> 01:38:42.489
question for you, I mentioned earlier, National APP Week coming up.

1801
01:38:43.149 --> 01:38:45.760
What message would you want the broader healthcare community to

1802
01:38:45.800 --> 01:38:49.560
understand about the APP role and the value of mentorship?

1803
01:38:50.529 --> 01:38:52.489
Yeah, just like Victoria said, I mean, the big thing

1804
01:38:52.529 --> 01:38:55.270
is really we're here for our patients and for our people.

1805
01:38:55.289 --> 01:38:58.609
You know, we're kind of a, you know, a bridge

1806
01:38:59.069 --> 01:39:03.170
to help patients understand the process that they're going through,

1807
01:39:03.189 --> 01:39:06.210
to answer their questions that they're going through. And we

1808
01:39:06.250 --> 01:39:10.069
want to make sure as, you know, cancer is, and

1809
01:39:10.090 --> 01:39:12.850
cancer treatments are at a very high space right now,

1810
01:39:13.100 --> 01:39:17.520
very high speed. They're really evolving quite quickly. And, you know,

1811
01:39:17.560 --> 01:39:20.119
there's a lot of understanding and learning that needs to

1812
01:39:20.159 --> 01:39:24.250
be made for patients to understand and for also the

1813
01:39:24.289 --> 01:39:27.310
providers to understand. And that's where APPs come in. You know,

1814
01:39:27.350 --> 01:39:30.069
we're able to kind of help bridge this gap with

1815
01:39:30.109 --> 01:39:32.380
the patient and their providers to help make sure they're

1816
01:39:32.399 --> 01:39:33.409
getting the appropriate care.

1817
01:39:34.119 --> 01:39:38.180
Well, APPs Tim Weimer and Victoria Wong have been our

1818
01:39:38.220 --> 01:39:42.800
guests talking about the latest things to consider, you know,

1819
01:39:47.010 --> 01:39:50.829
why it's so important to stay on track with your therapy.

1820
01:39:51.250 --> 01:39:54.090
And for more information, Victoria, where should our listeners go?

1821
01:39:54.109 --> 01:40:00.510
Yeah, I would encourage our listeners to go to the website, appsmakeithappen.com.

1822
01:40:00.949 --> 01:40:07.470
So that's appsmakeithappen.com. And here you will find different resources

1823
01:40:07.529 --> 01:40:11.609
and educations for everyone, whether you're a patient, a caregiver,

1824
01:40:11.770 --> 01:40:14.140
or just someone who wants to learn more and get

1825
01:40:14.180 --> 01:40:15.489
it from a reliable source.

1826
01:40:16.390 --> 01:40:19.859
Well, Tim Weimer and Victoria Wong, thank you so much

1827
01:40:19.939 --> 01:40:25.739
for this critical information. And, you know, enjoy APP Week.

1828
01:40:26.069 --> 01:40:26.569
You've earned it.

1829
01:40:26.569 --> 01:40:28.569
Thank you so much. Thank you.

1830
01:40:28.609 --> 01:40:28.930
Thank you.

1831
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All right.

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Well, thank you for joining us. I'm Bill Martinez and Dr.

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Joni DeBrito, Focus on the Family's counselor and staff member

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at Legacy Coalition is with us. Joni, good morning to you.

1898
01:44:43.439 --> 01:44:45.579
Thanks so much for having me on your show again, Bill.

1899
01:44:45.800 --> 01:44:48.100
Always great to be talking to you. Lots to catch

1900
01:44:48.180 --> 01:44:53.140
up on. You know, I know Grandparents Day has been

1901
01:44:53.199 --> 01:44:58.569
here and gone, but... You know, Grandparents' Day, I know

1902
01:44:58.590 --> 01:45:00.789
a lot of grandparents feel like that should be every day.

1903
01:45:02.369 --> 01:45:02.850
Right.

1904
01:45:03.489 --> 01:45:07.239
Well, because their influence is not just on a day,

1905
01:45:07.260 --> 01:45:11.000
it's constant. We would hope so anyway, right?

1906
01:45:11.520 --> 01:45:14.430
It definitely is, and probably even more so in this

1907
01:45:14.510 --> 01:45:17.130
day and age, because our children are needing a lot

1908
01:45:17.170 --> 01:45:21.569
more help from us to help raise their children, sometimes

1909
01:45:21.689 --> 01:45:26.119
because of The economy that in most cases, both parents

1910
01:45:26.199 --> 01:45:31.619
are working and child care is very expensive. So often

1911
01:45:31.680 --> 01:45:34.119
grandparents are stepping in the gap there to help their

1912
01:45:34.810 --> 01:45:36.369
children out and their grandchildren.

1913
01:45:37.550 --> 01:45:43.109
But to me, more important is what grandparents can deposit

1914
01:45:43.630 --> 01:45:47.430
into the grandchildren. I mean, the wisdom of the ages,

1915
01:45:47.550 --> 01:45:51.770
their experience is so invaluable. You know, Joan, as you know,

1916
01:45:51.970 --> 01:45:57.289
many cultures really honor grandparents in such a way because

1917
01:45:57.449 --> 01:45:58.949
of that reason, do they not?

1918
01:46:00.090 --> 01:46:03.390
Yes, they do. And it's absolutely true that we have

1919
01:46:03.510 --> 01:46:08.510
such a great opportunity to disciple our grandchildren. You know,

1920
01:46:08.869 --> 01:46:12.010
many of us aren't as busy. Many of us are

1921
01:46:12.229 --> 01:46:16.680
retired or semi-retired and we have more time on our hands.

1922
01:46:16.800 --> 01:46:19.460
We probably don't have the same level of stress anymore.

1923
01:46:20.130 --> 01:46:22.470
that we had when we were raising our children because

1924
01:46:22.510 --> 01:46:25.869
there's so much going on and so many things to

1925
01:46:26.010 --> 01:46:31.050
have to pay for coming up, etc. And so maybe

1926
01:46:31.069 --> 01:46:33.189
you're like me and you're kind of past that and

1927
01:46:33.229 --> 01:46:35.229
you have more to give back in terms of your

1928
01:46:35.310 --> 01:46:40.270
time and your wisdom and your encouragement. And so that

1929
01:46:40.409 --> 01:46:44.729
idea of grandparents being in a great position to disciple

1930
01:46:44.829 --> 01:46:48.260
their grandchildren is something that we really embrace.

1931
01:46:49.220 --> 01:46:53.420
Well, exactly. And so, yes, the other economic scales come

1932
01:46:53.439 --> 01:46:58.229
into play and that's appreciated. But as we know, especially,

1933
01:46:58.250 --> 01:47:02.430
you know, this is what grandparents bring to the environment

1934
01:47:02.970 --> 01:47:07.850
is our understanding of the preciousness of time and presence,

1935
01:47:08.449 --> 01:47:13.020
what it's like to be involved with a young child

1936
01:47:13.479 --> 01:47:16.220
and to be there. And often I hear, Joni, from

1937
01:47:16.279 --> 01:47:19.939
my grandkids is they're just grateful. You know, they'll say,

1938
01:47:20.149 --> 01:47:22.569
you know, Grandpa, I'm just glad that you're here, that

1939
01:47:22.590 --> 01:47:23.850
we can have this time together.

1940
01:47:23.869 --> 01:47:23.939
Yes.

1941
01:47:24.449 --> 01:47:27.970
Because nobody else can fill that position, can they?

1942
01:47:28.890 --> 01:47:32.649
No, they can't. Even parents can't do that. And very often,

1943
01:47:32.729 --> 01:47:36.300
not only are grandparents there to provide wisdom that the

1944
01:47:36.359 --> 01:47:40.619
parents are not able to provide, but also grandparents can

1945
01:47:40.680 --> 01:47:44.399
often be kind of a buffer between parents and grandkids

1946
01:47:44.600 --> 01:47:47.699
at those times when, kids start to push back a

1947
01:47:47.739 --> 01:47:51.039
little bit, you know, in that pre-adolescent and adolescent stage

1948
01:47:51.380 --> 01:47:54.039
when parents are having to discipline a little bit more

1949
01:47:54.100 --> 01:47:57.119
and set a few more boundaries that often kids don't like.

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01:47:57.739 --> 01:48:01.720
Often the grandparents can help be almost mediators in the

1951
01:48:01.779 --> 01:48:06.239
midst of that and help bridge that gap between the

1952
01:48:06.359 --> 01:48:10.189
parents and the grandparents and be there as a sounding

1953
01:48:10.229 --> 01:48:12.569
board for the kinds of things that are going on

1954
01:48:13.069 --> 01:48:16.560
and to be able to hear the concerns that their

1955
01:48:16.600 --> 01:48:20.560
grandchildren have and not necessarily to side with them against

1956
01:48:20.619 --> 01:48:23.140
their parents we don't want to do that but often

1957
01:48:23.180 --> 01:48:26.520
we can interpret we can say so you may not

1958
01:48:26.560 --> 01:48:28.979
know this but here's what's going on and that's what

1959
01:48:29.020 --> 01:48:31.310
makes it a little bit more difficult for your parents

1960
01:48:31.939 --> 01:48:35.489
or in another way you might talk with your children

1961
01:48:35.689 --> 01:48:38.029
if they're struggling with the child and say you know

1962
01:48:38.810 --> 01:48:41.510
I remember someone who was just like that.

1963
01:48:42.210 --> 01:48:43.729
It's you.

1964
01:48:43.770 --> 01:48:46.670
And I have many of those conversations with my daughter.

1965
01:48:47.430 --> 01:48:50.289
Not that she's complaining about her children, but more she'll

1966
01:48:50.310 --> 01:48:53.670
bring something up and I'll say, yep, I remember going

1967
01:48:53.710 --> 01:48:57.250
through that with you. Really, mom? And then I'll remind

1968
01:48:57.310 --> 01:48:59.770
her and she'll say, oh, yeah, that's true.

1969
01:49:00.409 --> 01:49:03.949
It's God's sense of humor. I always say what the

1970
01:49:03.989 --> 01:49:06.369
child did to the parent. You know, you can just

1971
01:49:06.409 --> 01:49:09.279
kind of smile about it because you know their day will.

1972
01:49:09.119 --> 01:49:09.659
Come, right?

1973
01:49:10.180 --> 01:49:11.600
You do, you do.

1974
01:49:11.859 --> 01:49:14.760
Exactly. Yeah, the other thing about a grandparent, a grandparent

1975
01:49:15.100 --> 01:49:19.659
has a way of solving the problem pretty quickly. I

1976
01:49:19.739 --> 01:49:23.210
know in our Hispanic culture, for example, and I've cited

1977
01:49:23.250 --> 01:49:25.670
this with our audience many times, and I love it

1978
01:49:25.750 --> 01:49:29.949
because when my grandmother saw the kids at odds with

1979
01:49:29.970 --> 01:49:33.659
the parents and they were being goofy, My grandmother had

1980
01:49:33.699 --> 01:49:35.479
a way of looking at the kids in such a way,

1981
01:49:35.520 --> 01:49:36.229
which was kind.

1982
01:49:36.100 --> 01:49:36.729
Of a warning.

1983
01:49:37.850 --> 01:49:40.510
And if they didn't heed to the warning, she would

1984
01:49:40.590 --> 01:49:43.670
reach down and take off her house slipper and she

1985
01:49:43.689 --> 01:49:45.729
would sling it. They would call it, you know, her

1986
01:49:45.789 --> 01:49:48.250
chancla is what we say, her chancla. So that was

1987
01:49:48.289 --> 01:49:51.630
her house slipper. And she would throw it in your direction. Well,

1988
01:49:51.729 --> 01:49:54.050
she didn't have to hit you. It was just the

1989
01:49:54.289 --> 01:49:57.779
effect that her chancla came off her foot and it

1990
01:49:57.859 --> 01:50:01.279
came in your direction. And you understood very quickly that,

1991
01:50:01.729 --> 01:50:05.710
you were disappointing your grandmother and we would never want

1992
01:50:05.750 --> 01:50:06.550
to do that, right?

1993
01:50:07.050 --> 01:50:09.630
You would never want to do that. That is so

1994
01:50:09.810 --> 01:50:14.460
true that there's also an opportunity for kids to really

1995
01:50:14.560 --> 01:50:18.279
learn about the importance of showing respect for their parents,

1996
01:50:18.760 --> 01:50:21.939
because they often are taught to show respect for their

1997
01:50:21.979 --> 01:50:25.420
grandparents and they get a lot of good back because

1998
01:50:25.460 --> 01:50:29.489
of that. And sometimes I will remind my grandchildren, if

1999
01:50:29.569 --> 01:50:33.350
for instance, they want to do something that they know

2000
01:50:33.409 --> 01:50:37.289
their parents have said they can't do. And I will say, well, now,

2001
01:50:37.630 --> 01:50:39.829
I know you guys were there when we had this conversation,

2002
01:50:39.850 --> 01:50:43.729
and your mom and dad said no. Yeah, and usually

2003
01:50:43.810 --> 01:50:46.170
they will just say yeah. But every once in a while,

2004
01:50:46.210 --> 01:50:48.250
they try to push a little bit and say, yeah,

2005
01:50:48.289 --> 01:50:50.390
but mom's not here right now. And then it's a

2006
01:50:50.470 --> 01:50:53.170
really good opportunity for me to say, I know, but

2007
01:50:53.210 --> 01:50:55.710
I respect your mom and dad, and they have asked

2008
01:50:55.750 --> 01:50:58.189
me to do this or that. And so I'm going

2009
01:50:58.220 --> 01:51:01.310
to follow through. so that I can really reinforce the

2010
01:51:01.399 --> 01:51:03.399
importance of them respecting their parents.

2011
01:51:04.060 --> 01:51:04.279
Right.

2012
01:51:04.720 --> 01:51:07.460
Well, because, and the Bible's real clear, you know, it

2013
01:51:07.479 --> 01:51:10.880
doesn't give if, ands, buts about it. You know, you

2014
01:51:10.960 --> 01:51:13.859
honor your parents so it'll go well with you. Also

2015
01:51:13.979 --> 01:51:18.050
reminded in Proverbs that in the 11th chapter that, you know,

2016
01:51:18.229 --> 01:51:21.550
that you have a responsibility to the family, that you

2017
01:51:21.609 --> 01:51:26.880
are not to be a controversial agent and a disturbing agent.

2018
01:51:27.479 --> 01:51:30.460
And as you say, today's cultures and the way kids

2019
01:51:30.640 --> 01:51:35.180
act today, wow. I mean, it's like, you know, my

2020
01:51:35.220 --> 01:51:38.689
parents would say they need a collective spanking, you know,

2021
01:51:39.350 --> 01:51:43.750
and only from a standpoint that we need correction. You know, again,

2022
01:51:43.789 --> 01:51:47.310
the Bible is clear what to do with children who

2023
01:51:47.409 --> 01:51:49.729
are being ornery. It's not in their best interest to

2024
01:51:49.770 --> 01:51:52.489
allow them to do such. You know, we don't live

2025
01:51:52.510 --> 01:51:54.359
in the Old Testament times. I used to tell my

2026
01:51:54.399 --> 01:51:58.270
younger son, uh, God bless him and, and God save

2027
01:51:58.300 --> 01:52:01.000
you for that. Because in old Testament times, they would

2028
01:52:01.020 --> 01:52:03.960
have taken, taken you outside the village and stone you.

2029
01:52:04.439 --> 01:52:04.760
Yes.

2030
01:52:05.159 --> 01:52:08.140
Like stone you to death, you know, because it would

2031
01:52:08.359 --> 01:52:10.460
send a message to the rest of the kids that,

2032
01:52:10.840 --> 01:52:14.659
you know, being disobedient, being ornery and being a brat,

2033
01:52:14.739 --> 01:52:19.170
so to speak, uh, is not acceptable. And, uh, and,

2034
01:52:19.369 --> 01:52:22.930
and I think that what's happened is parents have, have

2035
01:52:22.989 --> 01:52:27.250
kind of, uh, you know, let go of that responsibility,

2036
01:52:27.729 --> 01:52:29.850
you know, for the sake of, you know, I don't

2037
01:52:29.869 --> 01:52:31.609
want to hurt my kids feelings, you know, I don't

2038
01:52:31.630 --> 01:52:34.850
want to break their spirit or whatever rationale comes into play.

2039
01:52:35.350 --> 01:52:38.170
But we pray, you know, as parents for wisdom, so

2040
01:52:38.210 --> 01:52:41.770
that we know when the rod is appropriate and when

2041
01:52:41.840 --> 01:52:43.569
it's not. Yes.

2042
01:52:44.029 --> 01:52:47.600
And I think that the other luxury that we have

2043
01:52:47.659 --> 01:52:49.939
as grandparents is that we tend to have a little

2044
01:52:49.960 --> 01:52:53.430
bit more time than our children do. And our grandchildren do.

2045
01:52:53.510 --> 01:52:57.029
And a lot of conflicts between parents and kids happen

2046
01:52:57.069 --> 01:53:00.050
because people are revved up in terms of all these

2047
01:53:00.130 --> 01:53:02.729
things they have to do. And so they very quickly

2048
01:53:02.810 --> 01:53:05.979
respond to one another and often in not such a

2049
01:53:06.039 --> 01:53:09.260
nice way. What I love is when something like that

2050
01:53:09.300 --> 01:53:11.739
has happened and one of my grandchildren will talk to

2051
01:53:11.779 --> 01:53:14.140
me about it. And I actually have the time to

2052
01:53:14.180 --> 01:53:17.000
sit down and say, okay, so explain to me again

2053
01:53:17.060 --> 01:53:19.310
what happened. And there's that time and space for them

2054
01:53:19.350 --> 01:53:23.250
to exactly, to actually explain and I'll say, hmm, now

2055
01:53:23.310 --> 01:53:27.829
let's think about this. Let's say the situation was reversed

2056
01:53:28.029 --> 01:53:31.750
and let's say you were your mom and your mom

2057
01:53:31.789 --> 01:53:34.409
was you and your mom had come to you and

2058
01:53:34.529 --> 01:53:37.930
said that same thing. Very often with just a little

2059
01:53:38.109 --> 01:53:43.130
extra time and consideration, the child will say, oh yeah,

2060
01:53:43.149 --> 01:53:44.970
I probably wouldn't have liked that. In fact, I had

2061
01:53:45.010 --> 01:53:47.989
an exchange with my granddaughter like that a couple of

2062
01:53:48.090 --> 01:53:50.960
days ago. And it was about a limit her dad

2063
01:53:51.000 --> 01:53:54.880
had set on her. And I said, okay, so let's

2064
01:53:54.979 --> 01:53:57.510
think about this from his perspective.

2065
01:53:57.819 --> 01:53:58.359
And there was.

2066
01:53:58.470 --> 01:54:01.869
Just enough time. And she's just old enough. She's 11,

2067
01:54:01.869 --> 01:54:05.449
almost 12. That she was like, yeah, that probably wasn't

2068
01:54:05.489 --> 01:54:07.770
very nice. I better go say I'm sorry to my dad.

2069
01:54:07.810 --> 01:54:08.229
Wow.

2070
01:54:08.430 --> 01:54:09.890
Wow. That's a home run.

2071
01:54:10.569 --> 01:54:10.689
Yeah.

2072
01:54:10.729 --> 01:54:13.189
You love moments like that. And you say, thank you, God.

2073
01:54:13.409 --> 01:54:14.909
Yes, absolutely.

2074
01:54:15.470 --> 01:54:17.930
We got a couple of minutes left. We're talking with Dr.

2075
01:54:17.949 --> 01:54:21.020
Joni DeBrito. focused on the family's counselor and staff member

2076
01:54:21.039 --> 01:54:25.159
at Legacy Coalition. And of course, she's a grandmother herself,

2077
01:54:25.239 --> 01:54:27.590
as you can tell from our conversation. But a couple

2078
01:54:27.609 --> 01:54:30.210
of minutes left, and I wanted to talk also about

2079
01:54:30.590 --> 01:54:34.109
the meta decision and the social media risk for kids.

2080
01:54:35.489 --> 01:54:35.850
Yes.

2081
01:54:36.409 --> 01:54:39.409
So the meta decision was that there have to be

2082
01:54:39.489 --> 01:54:44.210
some very great restrictions on the use of social media

2083
01:54:44.350 --> 01:54:47.989
for kids under the age of 18. And actually, this

2084
01:54:48.189 --> 01:55:20.949
restriction is Right. And they were able to show that

2085
01:55:21.010 --> 01:55:25.050
she had gotten addicted to social media. And the part

2086
01:55:25.130 --> 01:55:32.409
that made it a liability for Meta was that there

2087
01:55:32.430 --> 01:55:37.739
was evidence to show that the creators of these platforms

2088
01:55:38.079 --> 01:55:42.060
knew how to hook kids in and use them to

2089
01:55:42.119 --> 01:55:47.260
do it intentionally, knowing it could drive an addicted process.

2090
01:55:47.949 --> 01:55:52.630
And so basically the idea is that they are going

2091
01:55:52.750 --> 01:55:55.829
to not be able to utilize social media when they're

2092
01:55:55.850 --> 01:55:58.189
in school. Not a lot of school systems have already

2093
01:55:58.260 --> 01:56:02.340
put those restrictions in place, but now it will be

2094
01:56:02.420 --> 01:56:05.600
for everyone under the age of 18. And also that

2095
01:56:05.640 --> 01:56:11.960
they're not able to be online during sleeping hours, which

2096
01:56:12.020 --> 01:56:15.960
is great because we have a very sleep-deprived culture of

2097
01:56:16.060 --> 01:56:18.760
kids who want to be hooked in and hearing their

2098
01:56:18.819 --> 01:56:22.989
phones and answering messages all night long, which is not healthy.

2099
01:56:23.930 --> 01:56:26.930
There are also some issues about how much you can

2100
01:56:26.989 --> 01:56:29.590
change an image, the way you look, especially because of

2101
01:56:29.649 --> 01:56:32.689
young girls making themselves look better than they are. And

2102
01:56:32.710 --> 01:56:35.779
then other girls get online and they feel bad about themselves.

2103
01:56:36.739 --> 01:56:41.739
And there are some restrictions in terms of the messages

2104
01:56:41.779 --> 01:56:44.619
that come across. I can't remember if it's the likes,

2105
01:56:44.720 --> 01:56:48.699
thumbs up, thumb down or whatever, but things where you're

2106
01:56:48.739 --> 01:56:52.289
not being judged so much online. And those should be

2107
01:56:52.369 --> 01:56:55.609
helpful because we know, you and I have talked many

2108
01:56:55.689 --> 01:56:59.630
times in the past, that the research says that much

2109
01:56:59.949 --> 01:57:05.189
of the increase of depression, anxiety, and suicidal thoughts and actions,

2110
01:57:06.880 --> 01:57:10.399
one of the major contributors is the use of social media.

2111
01:57:10.920 --> 01:57:13.140
So this is a big win for kids and families.

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Well, it should be an encouragement for families too to

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realize that, They are the, you know, they're the first

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line of defense. You know, the parents are into protecting

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their children. And so I think it's a rallying cry,

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you know, for all of us as parents to, you know,

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step up and take our responsibility seriously and protect our

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children out there. Because clearly these organizations like META, which

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came out, which was shocking to me, Joni, that they

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were designing this on purpose to injure our children.

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Yes, yes.

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It was pretty shocking. And with all of this stuff

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coming out with AI, this is a really good time

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for us to be thinking about setting limits and restrictions.

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And I would say that at Focus on the Family,

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we don't make a set of rules and say, you

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will do this. It's more about having a discussion with

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your kids and talking to them about why it's important.

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to put those restrictions in place and then hopefully teaching

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them to have some self-discipline as they get older and

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move out into their emerging adult years college years end

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adult years and where they can start looking at technology

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and making decisions that are good for them so that

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they don't get hurt by some of these technologies.

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Well, we've got to leave it there for now.

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Dr.

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Joni DeBrito, Focus on the Family counselor, staff member at

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Legacy Coalition. Joni, where can the folks go for more information?

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So at Focus on the Family, you can go to focusonthefamily.com

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and find a variety of articles about grandparenting and also

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technology issues. And then Legacy Coalition is a Christian grandparenting

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ministry which is dedicated to helping Christian grandparents learn how

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to disciple their grandchildren. And there is a lot of

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information available at LegacyCoalition.com. There are blogs and there are

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videos and podcasts. And also we have a wonderful program

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on Monday nights called Grand Monday Nights. where grandparents get

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together online and hear from speakers talking about a variety

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of issues that affect grandparenting and Christian grandparenting in particular.

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