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The Bill Martinez Show 10 05 26
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Are you ready?

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Yeah.

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Okay, let's do it.

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Bill Martinez Live, a program about current events, our culture,

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our values, our politics, and our future.

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And now, Bill Martinez.

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Hey, good morning. Good to have you with us. Bill

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Martinez here, and Rabbi Jonathan Cahn is going to be

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joining us in just a few moments. His brand new book,

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The Altar of Pergamon, The Mystery of the Dark Angel

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and the Future of the World. So get ready. Put

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on your helmets and your seatbelts because we're in for

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an exciting ride. Rabbi, good to have you with us.

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Always great to be with you, Bill.

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Well, just a little bit of background. If you don't mind,

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I'm going to brag on you for just a moment.

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Rabbi Jonathan Cahn has caused worldwide stir with the release

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of his explosive first book, The Harbinger, which became an

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instant New York Times bestseller, brought him to national and

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international prominence. Every one of his books since then has

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become a New York Times bestseller, including The Mystery of

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the Shemitah, The Book of Mysteries, The Paradigm, The Oracle,

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Harbinger II, The Return of the Gods, Josiah Manifesto, Dragon's Prophecy,

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and The Avatar. Each one opens up deep or long-hidden

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mysteries that are unfolding and manifesting in our time. He

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has spoken at the United Nations on Capitol Hill, to

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members of Congress, to millions around the world. And suffice

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it to say, when the rabbi speaks, people listen. Jonathan,

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good to have you with us.

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Always, it's always a blessing, Bill. And when you speak,

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people listen too.

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But I'll tell you, Jonathan, it's just, you know, every

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time you come on and with every revelation, I mean,

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you don't have no idea what an answer to prayer

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you've become in my life. Because when I came out

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of Bible college and felt like God was calling me

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back behind the microphone, because I'd been behind the microphone

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as a juvenile playing records and taking dedications and doing

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that sort of thing as a radio personality in Los Angeles.

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But after Bible college, God says, no, I want you

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behind the microphone again. And I want you to focus

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on a biblical worldview in pursuit of the truth. And

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I said, okay, where am I going to find that?

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Because I had already been given information that many of

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the senior pastors in the churches today, I think at

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that time, according to George Barnett, was down to about

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only 56% held to a biblical worldview. And that was, what,

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about 20 years ago. And it's been declining since. So

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when you came into my life, it was like, I mean,

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You were an answer to prayer because what I was

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also looking for, and I said, God, how about revelation?

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I want to feel like I'm talking to somebody who's

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been in the throne room with you and has gotten

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direct revelation that the people need to hear for a

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time such as this. And here comes Rabbi Jonathan Cahn.

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Oh, well, thank you, Bill. You know, I'm really blessed.

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I'm blessed to hear, you know, what you're saying. If

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it can be of an encouragement, thank you. I'm very honored.

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Well, God has used you for this time. And, you know, again,

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starting with the Harbinger and what you did with the Harbinger,

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how you revealed mysteries and unfolded in Isaiah 9. I mean,

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it was just phenomenal what you did. And it was

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no wonder why that book became an instant New York

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Times bestseller. And you've been on a roll ever since.

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And it's just like, you know, God is continuing to

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speak to you, through you, to reveal to us things

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that are so critical for these, as even Billy Graham

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would say, are the last of the last days.

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Yeah. Well, you know, there's no end to God. There's

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no end to his revelation. We just have to be open,

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you know, and I'm honored. I'm the first one, Bill,

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to be blown away. You know, I'm the first one

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to say, wow, Lord, you know. And on one hand,

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I'm not surprised because he never disappoints. There's always more. And,

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you know, but on the other hand, I'm still blown away. Lord,

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you're amazing, you know.

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Right.

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Well, give us the background to The Altar of Pergamon.

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Yeah, this is, you know, this is the 11th book, Bill,

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and I think I've been on with you with every book,

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you know.

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Yes, exactly, yes.

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And this is a colossal, colossal, gigantic mystery that's so big,

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it's literally altered the history of the world, not once,

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but again and again. Could there be this mystery and

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an object? I mean, it almost sounds like Indiana Jones

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or it sounds like Lord of the Rings or Da

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Vinci Code, but it's real. And could there be this

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object linked to behind everything from the rise of Adolf Hitler,

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World War I, World War II? The rise of Marxism, communism,

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the Cold War, the one world order we're seeing, globalization,

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you know, what we're seeing happening in America, the apostasy

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in the West. Even the Internet is linked to it.

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Could there be even an American leader who is linked

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to this thing called the throne of Satan here? And

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the answer is there is. And in fact, this mystery,

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I mean, it's so big that it has literally impacted

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everybody who's watching right now. You, your life has been

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impacted by this, you know, and I'll just tell you

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one thing to, before we get into like, you know, the, the,

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the nuts, the actual mystery, um, is I was led

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to write it as I did the Harbinger with a

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story to make it easy to just like, you don't

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even realize it and you're getting, you know, but what,

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but what's revealed is real. The story part, um, um,

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doing it that not only to get the revelation out,

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but also that people can give it to their unsaved people,

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loved ones and people in their life. Because people will say, oh, wow, cool.

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It doesn't matter where they're at. Like, oh, wow, is

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it cool? It's like Indiana Jones, like Da Vinci. And

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it's going to lead to salvation. So that's my hope

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as well, to get and getting this mystery out, not

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only for God's people, but they can get it to

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get their people saved.

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Well, you know, when you said that, you know, that

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you did wrap it in a story, because as I

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was reading this, that's what I thought of Harbinger. you know,

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it was of that kind of same genre and that

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writing style that's very comfortable and the way it's, the

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way you bring it and it adds life to it

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as opposed to just saying, well, here's, let me just

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give you the nuts and bolts, you know, right?

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Yeah. Yeah. And I think, you know, I think that,

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you know, I think actually this, I don't know how

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far you got in it. I'm really glad that you started. Oh, no.

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But it's, but the thing is that I think there's

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more story in this than I've ever had. And also,

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but at the same time, there's more revelation because when

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we looked at this, I think there's like at least

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200 mysteries that are going to be unfolded in the

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Altar of Pergamon. And for those who don't know, the subtitle,

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just to give you a little taste of it, it's

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the mystery of the dark angel and the future of

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the world. And so this is unveiling it, but it's

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through this man who is a skeptic who comes across

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this ancient, this page of this cryptic, book, and he

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has to go across the world to journey to unlock

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it with someone else, with a woman who's actually a believer.

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And there's danger, and there's all the mystery, but it's

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ultimately leading, not only it's opening the mystery, it's leading

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the reader to salvation if they don't know the Lord.

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Right, exactly. So the altar of Pergamon, its actual reveal,

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what does it reveal?

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Yeah.

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Well, it's that, and it begins with, in Isaiah, he

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quotes Satan saying, I will exalt my throne. I'll lift

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up my throne. I'll be like God. Well, in Revelation,

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it's the other place it talks about the throne of Satan.

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And it says in Pergamon, it says to the church

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of Pergamon, it says where the throne of Satan is.

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Now that's pretty strong. I mean, there's a place on

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earth with the throne of Satan. So what's that about? Well,

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I just came back from Pergamon. I've never been there

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in my life. And they have a high place of Pergamon,

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and on the high place was called the Great Altar.

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And this was almost like the epitome of the pagan world.

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It was an altar to the king of the gods, Zeus,

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but that's, you know, Satan's behind all that. And it

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was really embodied. It was the biggest altar the Greeks

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ever built on earth. It's gigantic. And the thing is,

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throne of Satan... The gospel comes into the world. People

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start abandoning the pagan world. They abandon the throne. The

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throne of Satan or the altar of Pergamon falls into ruins.

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And it's buried for almost 2,000 years. But what would

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happen if someone would come there and start uncovering the

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throne of Satan? And the thing is, it happened. It happened.

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And when it happened, what happens is that things start

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happening and changing in the world.

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You know, we're talking with Jonathan Cahn, Rabbi Jonathan Cahn,

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his new book, The Altar of Pergamon, which is soon

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to be released as of this record date. you may

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hear this and realize that it's already been released because

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the official release date is September the.

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1st, right?

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And even if people are hearing this before, you can

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go online and pre-order it because right now it's going

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to be coming out any second. So yes, it's coming

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out basically. So yeah, and the thing is that, so

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the guy who stumbles on the altar doesn't even know

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it's the throne of Satan. And what he does is

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he takes two pieces and he sends them back to

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his homeland. And his homeland is going to be joined

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to the throne of Satan. What's the homeland? It's Germany.

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So Germany is going to be linked to them. Think

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about this. I mean, think ahead. Germany. Okay. Now, the

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thing is that people don't know Germany didn't even exist.

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Germany only came into the world as a nation in 1871.

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1871 is the year that the throne of Satan came

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back into the world. So at the same moment, the

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altar comes back, Germany comes into the world and Germany

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is going to be used as we're going to see.

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Well, exactly. And as we recall, certainly how in two

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world wars, right?

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more than that. I mean, yes. And not just Germany, Berlin,

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where the throne of Satan is going to be moved to. So,

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I mean, it's behind everything. I mean, we're going to

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see that.

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So what happens is, now let me say something else.

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At the same time that the altar, that first pieces

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go back, 1871, another German is digging in the same

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region and he's searching for the lost city of Troy.

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His name was Heinrich Schliemann. And he comes across an

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ancient sign. He comes across about 2,000 versions of this

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ancient sign. And this ancient sign becomes a sensation. And

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in Germany particularly, what sign was it? It was the swastika.

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The swastika came into the world in this mass form

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at the same moment that the throne of Satan came

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back into the world and Germany came into the world.

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It's all like a setup for what's going to happen.

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So when you say that this sign, and this was

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a literal sign that was dug up?

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Almost 2,000 swastikas in stone, in engravings. Yeah, the swastika

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is an ancient sign. It's a pagan sign, ancient, but

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it's unearthed as the altar is, as the throne of

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Satan is.

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What was the origination? I mean, you're talking a sign now,

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fast forward 2000 years, and all of a sudden now

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you've got hundreds of swastikas that come out of this digging.

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What was the origination of the swastika?

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The swastika is an ancient symbol. I mean, similar, listen,

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similar is the cross. I mean, you know, people were

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making crosses because this is basic, but swastika was an

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ancient pagan or occultic symbol that that you find in India.

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But you also find it in pagan lands. You find

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it among the Greeks. You find it among the Nordic

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or Germanic peoples. So it's this ancient pagan sign that

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becomes the sign of of demonic, of satanic work.

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I was going to say, was there a demonic connection

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to it?

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Well, it's pagan, number one, and occultic.

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Yeah, so then that would, because it's anti-God.

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Yeah, totally. And, I mean, some people make note that

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the swastika is a broken cross. It's a cross that's

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been broken on edge. Well, the thing is that, now,

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that's in 1871. A few years later, Germany comes to Pergamon.

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to actually dig up the throne of Satan and take it.

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Now, did they understand it as the throne of Satan

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at that time?

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I don't think so. I don't think most of them

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were reading their Bible. I think they took it simply, well,

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first of all, when the guy, his name was Karl Humann,

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sends the pieces to Germany, the first pieces, he doesn't

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even know what it is. soon they realize it's the

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altar of Pergamon because the ancient world speaks about that altar.

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But they still are not getting that this is the

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throne of Satan. You know, this is linked to Satan

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and Revelation. And so if they knew that, would they

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have done this? I don't know. But they dig it up. And,

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you know, it takes a few years to dig it up.

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And this is, again, like Indiana Jones. They put the

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pieces in crates. They put them on animals. Then they

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put them onto ships. And the ships sail across the sea. They,

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they go to Germany. They put them on trains. They

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go to Berlin. So now they've moved. They all think

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about it. I mean, the throne of Satan has moved

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from Pergamon to Berlin, Germany. Okay. And now the thing

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is that the say that's 1878, when they start digging

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it up 1878, 79 is when the first pieces come

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to Germany. So the amazing thing is something else comes

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to Germany. You know, the, you know, the one people,

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the devil hates all of God's people. but the devil

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has a special hatred for the Jewish people because he knows,

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you know, you know, God called them into being to

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fulfill his purposes, bring the Bible, bring Messiah, bring the kingdom,

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which will come. So the enemy is going to try

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to destroy them. Of course. I mean, it makes perfect sense.

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And so something happens in Germany when the throne of

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Satan gets to Germany and what happens the same moment,

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this is 1878, the same moment it comes to Germany,

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word comes into the world and the word is anti-semitism.

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First time, it didn't exist before. The anti-semitism has always

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been hatred but it is a modern manifestation, a movement

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and it comes in Germany, it's born in Germany, when

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the altar comes to Germany it's born in Germany and

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it's born at the exact moment. And so it spreads

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throughout Germany. And something else, you were alluding to this,

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but when the altar came to Germany, there was an

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occult explosion or revival that spreads across Germany. People don't

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realize that. It was actually setting the stage for Hitler.

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And speaking of which, let me... I'll put it this way.

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It's kind of like a nation was possessed. I mean,

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when you look at what happened to Germany, and you say,

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how did they do that? Why did they go crazy

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over this? It's like a possession of a nation.

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Because what was Germany like before this, though? They were

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very intellectual. They were prosperous.

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It was.

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You know, here they were, they were really leaders in

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so many ways, weren't they, Rabbi?

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Yeah, and listen, the Reformation came from Germany. And so

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you have the restoring of the Bible, the focus on

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the Bible. But now they're at a point, 19th century,

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they're turning, you know, and they're opening the door because

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when you turn from the gospel, you open the door.

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And by the way, you know what also came from Germany?

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And this is after the Reformation, higher criticism. which was

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to criticize the Bible and try to say the Bible

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is not the word of God. So they opened the door,

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you know, and, and so, and now they have the

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throne of Satan and, you know, so it's, it's, so

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it's like they put the ones who possess the throne

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of Satan get possessed by it. Yeah. And in 1889,

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something happens. Well, just before they start deciding, Germany says,

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we're going to put to, we're going to piece together

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the throne, the altar, we're going to put it together.

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Because it came in pieces, came in thousands of pieces.

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So kind of in secret, they start piecing it together.

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And so for the first time in 2,000 years, the altar,

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the throne of Satan, appears back in the world, 1889.

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At the same moment, something else appears in the world.

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A child is born, and he's given the name Adolf Hitler.

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Hitler comes into the world with the throne of Satan.

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I mean, you can't make this up. And his whole

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life is going to be joined to the mystery of

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the throne of Satan from birth to death. I mean,

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the whole thing. So everything's being put, set in motion.

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So here they are. And again, Pergamon is in Turkey, right?

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It's modern day Turkey. So it moves to Germany, Berlin,

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and it's, It's amazing because this is the thing that

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we see in every kind of movement of God. There's

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always a counter movement, isn't there?

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Yes.

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Yes. Yes. That's a great point. Yeah. And for every

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counter movement, God does a redemption movement.

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Right.

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So, yeah. Yeah. You know, the enemy uses the things

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of God also to try to turn them away from

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their purpose, you know. And God takes the things that

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the enemy uses and he turns them for good. I mean,

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so you got that. But yes, there is. And so, yeah,

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Germany was used to bring the word to the world,

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to the Reformation. And so it's going to be used

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to try to destroy the people of the word, which

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is the Jewish people.

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So, yeah.

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And so what Germany does is, is they said they're

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going to build a house for the altar. It's kind

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of like every altar. You know, an altar had a temple. Well,

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they're going to build a massive museum, which is just

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pretty much, it's named after the altar. And it starts

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rising in the 1920s. They're going to reveal it to

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the world. They're going to open it up to the world. Well,

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at the same moment, something else starts rising up. It's

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Adolf Hitler and the Nazis in the 1920s.

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This is Bill Martinez. We're live and we're talking with

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Jonathan Kahn, his brand new book, The Altar of Pergamon.

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We've got more from Jonathan. Stay with us.

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We're talking with Rabbi Jonathan Cahn, his brand new book,

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The Altar of Pergamon, which right now, even as we're

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talking and doing this interview, we're pre-recording it. The book

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is available now in pre-order. It releases fully on September

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the 1st. And it's the mystery of the dark angel,

522
00:28:24.509 --> 00:28:26.750
the future of the world. So, Rabbi, go on and

523
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continue here.

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00:28:27.910 --> 00:28:31.589
Yeah, so the thing is that at that, you know,

525
00:28:31.970 --> 00:28:35.630
what happens is that, so in 1928, the Nazis have

526
00:28:35.650 --> 00:28:38.869
a setback. They win only 2% of the vote. Okay,

527
00:28:39.170 --> 00:28:42.910
that's okay. It looks like they're gone. But in 1930,

528
00:28:42.910 --> 00:28:45.410
the altar is revealed to the world. They open up

529
00:28:45.450 --> 00:28:48.690
that museum. They reveal it. They pieced it totally together

530
00:28:48.730 --> 00:28:51.970
for the world. And at that moment, this is autumn

531
00:28:52.230 --> 00:28:57.460
of 1930. At that moment, Hitler suddenly is catapulted He

532
00:28:57.519 --> 00:29:01.079
is catapulted from the 2%. Now they're the number two

533
00:29:01.099 --> 00:29:04.200
party in Germany. And then they're number one. And then

534
00:29:04.240 --> 00:29:06.250
he takes over. So with the altar. And you know

535
00:29:06.289 --> 00:29:08.490
the day that they opened up the altar to the world?

536
00:29:08.849 --> 00:29:11.069
You know what the day was? It was Yom Kippur,

537
00:29:11.130 --> 00:29:15.299
the holiest day in the Bible. It's like the enemy

538
00:29:15.339 --> 00:29:17.740
takes the things of God. And Yom Kippur is about

539
00:29:17.759 --> 00:29:20.579
the altar of God, and it's about salvation. And so

540
00:29:20.640 --> 00:29:23.059
instead now it's the altar of Satan, which is not

541
00:29:23.079 --> 00:29:26.200
going to save the Jewish people. It's a warning. It's

542
00:29:26.220 --> 00:29:27.619
going to go to destroying them.

543
00:29:28.119 --> 00:29:29.049
So, yeah.

544
00:29:29.950 --> 00:29:33.049
So how much awareness? Again, this is developing and they're

545
00:29:33.069 --> 00:29:35.609
piecing it together. I mean, we know after everything was

546
00:29:35.650 --> 00:29:41.019
all said and done, Germany was... in a sense possessed,

547
00:29:41.079 --> 00:29:45.609
only about 10% of Germany was possessed by the Nazis.

548
00:29:46.309 --> 00:29:50.269
And they controlled, 10% covered Germany. You know, control, 90%, right?

549
00:29:50.349 --> 00:29:50.809
Is that fair?

550
00:29:51.789 --> 00:29:53.869
It may be. Now, I have to look at the things,

551
00:29:53.910 --> 00:29:55.890
but it may be something like 10% may have been

552
00:29:55.950 --> 00:29:57.250
actually members of the Nazi.

553
00:29:57.450 --> 00:29:59.359
Right, exactly. That's what's minor.

554
00:29:59.380 --> 00:30:02.240
But people, yeah. But Germany is, but when you look

555
00:30:02.259 --> 00:30:04.819
at those crowds, I mean, look at the crowds of Germans.

556
00:30:05.539 --> 00:30:07.880
I'm not saying everyone. There were those who resisted, but

557
00:30:07.900 --> 00:30:12.160
they were, you know, a remnant. But most were caught up.

558
00:30:12.619 --> 00:30:13.579
Most were caught up in it.

559
00:30:14.380 --> 00:30:18.289
Well, so as this is developing, now here we're in

560
00:30:18.329 --> 00:30:22.869
the early 1930s, and now you have the rebuilt, the

561
00:30:23.390 --> 00:30:28.509
coming together of the throne of Satan. Did they understand, Jonathan,

562
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did they understand what they had done, what they were

563
00:30:31.309 --> 00:30:31.829
doing here?

564
00:30:31.950 --> 00:30:34.470
I don't think so because, I mean, maybe some did,

565
00:30:34.509 --> 00:30:37.329
but I don't think so because, remember, Germany is now

566
00:30:37.410 --> 00:30:39.599
turning away from God in a big way. You know,

567
00:30:39.619 --> 00:30:42.009
it's turning to a pagan movement, which are the Nazis,

568
00:30:42.029 --> 00:30:44.529
you know. And the Nazis, you know, we know they

569
00:30:44.569 --> 00:30:47.869
hated the Jews, but they also hated the church. They

570
00:30:48.130 --> 00:30:51.630
couldn't say it as publicly, but Hitler wanted to destroy Christianity.

571
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And it was a pagan movement. So, but, so they

572
00:30:54.339 --> 00:30:56.900
weren't really reading their Bibles to say that they, if

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00:30:56.940 --> 00:30:58.779
they did, they would say, wait a minute, wait a minute.

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You know, this is the center of Pergamon throne of Satan.

575
00:31:02.059 --> 00:31:04.569
Now it's okay. Now it's Berlin. Now, by the way,

576
00:31:04.619 --> 00:31:07.950
here's another thing that happened. Another German guy goes to

577
00:31:08.150 --> 00:31:11.049
Turkey where the altar had been and the foundation is

578
00:31:11.069 --> 00:31:15.079
still there. And instead of what he brings back from

579
00:31:15.119 --> 00:31:18.589
Turkey is he brings back an occultic revelation and he,

580
00:31:18.950 --> 00:31:21.869
comes back to bring a cultic revelation to Germany. He

581
00:31:21.930 --> 00:31:26.359
starts an organization, an occult society, called the Thule Society.

582
00:31:26.880 --> 00:31:30.440
This occult society, the Thule Society, decides to start a

583
00:31:30.480 --> 00:31:34.079
little party. That little party becomes the Nazi Party. It

584
00:31:34.119 --> 00:31:37.890
was born of the occults. Born of an occult society.

585
00:31:38.170 --> 00:31:41.910
So that's all there. So now Hitler takes over. 1933,

586
00:31:41.910 --> 00:31:46.269
he becomes chancellor. Takes over. He commissioned... Go ahead.

587
00:31:47.000 --> 00:31:49.839
No, my thought was, as this is coming out, I mean,

588
00:31:50.259 --> 00:31:55.240
we already have, what, in 1848, you've got Darwinism coming

589
00:31:55.279 --> 00:31:59.940
in the scene, too, which exacerbated the anti-God movement and

590
00:32:00.000 --> 00:32:04.619
which dovetailed, ended up dovetailing, and Adolf Hitler, I was told,

591
00:32:04.640 --> 00:32:06.589
supported Darwinism.

592
00:32:09.650 --> 00:32:14.839
Oh, the idea of the master race, meaning master race

593
00:32:14.980 --> 00:32:17.220
and the survival of the fittest. We're going to destroy

594
00:32:17.259 --> 00:32:20.170
the weak. I mean, yeah, it was very Darwinian. Yeah,

595
00:32:20.269 --> 00:32:22.549
and by the way, 1848 is also the year of revolutions,

596
00:32:22.609 --> 00:32:25.390
socialist revolutions, which is another thing we're going to see

597
00:32:25.730 --> 00:32:28.519
as linked to the altar. is Marxism, and we're having

598
00:32:28.539 --> 00:32:31.619
a revival of socialism, and we're having a revival of antisemitism,

599
00:32:31.660 --> 00:32:33.359
and all these things are linked to the throne of

600
00:32:33.400 --> 00:32:37.180
Satan and the altar. So yes, all these things open

601
00:32:37.220 --> 00:32:39.279
the door, and they open the door for him. Yes,

602
00:32:39.380 --> 00:32:42.079
it's not in a vacuum. So Hitler, when he comes

603
00:32:42.119 --> 00:32:47.440
to power, he commissions his architect, a guy named Albert Speer,

604
00:32:48.140 --> 00:32:52.289
to build him this massive podium, a colossal where he

605
00:32:52.329 --> 00:32:55.789
could speak to the masses. When you see Hitler speaking to,

606
00:32:55.890 --> 00:32:58.410
it looks like it's a million people, it's Nuremberg. That's

607
00:32:58.430 --> 00:33:00.670
where they had the rallies. And that's where he's going

608
00:33:00.690 --> 00:33:03.250
to be standing on this massive thing. Well, the guy

609
00:33:03.309 --> 00:33:08.259
builds it for him. And the guy, Albert Speer, I

610
00:33:08.299 --> 00:33:11.819
found in his writings, he admits he built that podium

611
00:33:11.839 --> 00:33:15.740
for Hitler massive. It was a reproduction of the altar

612
00:33:15.779 --> 00:33:21.230
of Pergamon. So Hitler is standing. When you see Hitler,

613
00:33:21.809 --> 00:33:26.640
he's standing on the throne of Satan and he's invoking destruction.

614
00:33:27.119 --> 00:33:30.440
That's the will of Satan. Now let me go even deeper,

615
00:33:30.680 --> 00:33:31.279
if it's okay.

616
00:33:32.059 --> 00:33:35.019
No, please. I mean, this is mind-blowing because here you

617
00:33:35.119 --> 00:33:38.809
are and you're thinking, this happened all, you know, 100

618
00:33:38.809 --> 00:33:43.490
years ago. And you are revealing this mystery and saying,

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here it is. I mean, you got the altar of Pergamon.

620
00:33:48.890 --> 00:33:55.769
Satan's throne, and now here's Adolf Hitler standing, standing right

621
00:33:55.789 --> 00:33:57.190
there on the throne of Satan.

622
00:33:57.809 --> 00:34:01.009
Yeah, and the one who was born with the altar.

623
00:34:01.230 --> 00:34:03.089
He was born with the throne of Satan coming into

624
00:34:03.109 --> 00:34:07.730
the world. Now he's standing on this massive, colossal reproduction.

625
00:34:08.070 --> 00:34:13.610
And so now here's another mystery. The altar of Pergamon

626
00:34:13.670 --> 00:34:15.389
was not just an altar. It was an altar of

627
00:34:15.570 --> 00:34:16.880
burnt offerings.

628
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Burnt, burnt.

629
00:34:18.630 --> 00:34:18.849
Okay.

630
00:34:19.369 --> 00:34:21.769
So now in the language of the Greeks who built

631
00:34:21.789 --> 00:34:23.789
the altar, and they didn't call it the altar of

632
00:34:23.809 --> 00:34:25.989
burnt offerings, the way you say it in Greek is

633
00:34:26.030 --> 00:34:29.630
the word for burnt is kaustos, and the word for

634
00:34:29.710 --> 00:34:34.699
completely burnt is holos. It becomes the word holocaust.

635
00:34:35.000 --> 00:34:35.960
Holocaust, yes.

636
00:34:36.000 --> 00:34:39.880
The altar was the altar of the holocaust from the beginning.

637
00:34:40.440 --> 00:34:44.019
The moment the pieces come to Germany, that was the plan.

638
00:34:44.059 --> 00:34:47.239
It was an altar of the holocaust. And so the

639
00:34:47.400 --> 00:34:52.139
enemy is taking something. Now, here's the thing. The word

640
00:34:52.179 --> 00:34:55.219
Holocaust actually appears in the Bible. And I'll tell you what.

641
00:34:55.579 --> 00:34:58.719
In the first translation, which is the Septuagint, the Greek,

642
00:34:58.760 --> 00:35:02.289
which the New Testament uses, the ancient, ancient. When it

643
00:35:02.349 --> 00:35:05.949
gets to things like when God says to Abraham, offer

644
00:35:06.010 --> 00:35:10.449
up your son in the Septuagint as a Holocaust. So

645
00:35:10.489 --> 00:35:12.969
here you have the whole Jewish nation is inside Isaac.

646
00:35:13.460 --> 00:35:15.199
And it's, it could, it's going to be offered up

647
00:35:15.480 --> 00:35:19.000
saved by a lab. Okay. So now, and then, then

648
00:35:19.039 --> 00:35:22.340
when you read Leviticus in the ancient translation, it says,

649
00:35:22.429 --> 00:35:25.809
these are the laws of the Holocaust. The fire will

650
00:35:25.849 --> 00:35:29.389
always be burning and you'll have ashes. And, and, and

651
00:35:29.429 --> 00:35:32.650
the thing is what the Nazis did is it was

652
00:35:32.730 --> 00:35:38.550
Satan taking something, wholly a sacrifice. and turning it to

653
00:35:38.590 --> 00:35:42.809
satanic purposes. Instead of saving Jewish people, the sacrifice saved them.

654
00:35:43.210 --> 00:35:46.170
He's destroying them with the thing he's taking, and he's

655
00:35:46.210 --> 00:35:52.110
making it demonic. Holocaust doesn't mean a disaster. Holocaust literally

656
00:35:52.150 --> 00:35:55.750
means a sacrifice, a burnt offering sacrifice.

657
00:35:55.789 --> 00:35:56.690
That's what's happening.

658
00:35:57.349 --> 00:35:59.469
This was satanic. And by the way, when I told

659
00:35:59.530 --> 00:36:02.769
you that the altar was revealed to the world in

660
00:36:02.869 --> 00:36:05.130
Germany in 1930, it was on Yom Kippur, on Yom Kippur,

661
00:36:07.389 --> 00:36:10.090
The scripture that they were reading, that Jewish people were

662
00:36:10.130 --> 00:36:13.449
reading on Yom Kippur in the Septuagint has the word

663
00:36:13.530 --> 00:36:18.170
Holocaust four times. So when the altar comes in, they're

664
00:36:18.250 --> 00:36:20.800
speaking about the Holocaust. You know, it's like a warning.

665
00:36:22.739 --> 00:36:26.760
And let me go even further. The Bible says that

666
00:36:26.800 --> 00:36:29.920
the altar of burnt offerings or the altar of the

667
00:36:30.000 --> 00:36:34.199
Holocaust was in the holy place. There's actually a scripture

668
00:36:34.219 --> 00:36:35.639
that says the altar of burnt offerings was in the

669
00:36:35.659 --> 00:36:37.849
holy place. Well, when you take, we already saw the

670
00:36:37.889 --> 00:36:40.300
word for the altar of burnt offerings was Holocaust. What

671
00:36:40.320 --> 00:36:42.360
about the word for holy place? There's a word in

672
00:36:42.389 --> 00:36:45.460
German that speaks of a place called holy or the

673
00:36:45.500 --> 00:36:52.960
holy place. The word is Auschwitz. Auschwitz means the holy place.

674
00:36:54.000 --> 00:36:57.480
So you have the Holocaust in Auschwitz, the burnt in

675
00:36:57.500 --> 00:37:00.840
the holy place. And so it's the devil's offering. He's

676
00:37:00.860 --> 00:37:02.340
taken the thing that's gone and he's twisting it all.

677
00:37:02.719 --> 00:37:04.659
And you know what the last sacrifice was? You know

678
00:37:04.699 --> 00:37:06.800
who the high priest was over the Holocaust? It was

679
00:37:07.059 --> 00:37:09.320
Adolf Hitler. He's the one who did it. And so

680
00:37:09.340 --> 00:37:11.199
at the end, when the devil's through with him, can't

681
00:37:11.300 --> 00:37:15.050
use him anymore, he's destroyed. He kills himself. Same hand,

682
00:37:15.409 --> 00:37:19.369
he offers himself. And then he says that he orders

683
00:37:19.389 --> 00:37:23.309
that his body be burnt as a burnt offering. I mean,

684
00:37:23.329 --> 00:37:25.789
he's just burnt. And so the last sacrifice of the

685
00:37:25.809 --> 00:37:29.860
Holocaust was Adolf Hitler himself. That's the last Holocaust is

686
00:37:29.909 --> 00:37:32.409
the burnt offering of him. And now, now to set

687
00:37:32.449 --> 00:37:34.610
the stage for when we go to the next program,

688
00:37:35.429 --> 00:37:36.769
because there's so much coming, because it's going to come

689
00:37:36.809 --> 00:37:38.949
up to right now here behind everything. But the thing

690
00:37:39.010 --> 00:37:43.139
is this. So for Hitler was the owner, the possessor

691
00:37:43.159 --> 00:37:46.059
of the altar. He dies. So the altar doesn't have

692
00:37:46.099 --> 00:37:51.980
any possessor. That lasts for one day, one day. And

693
00:37:52.059 --> 00:37:56.360
then the altar is going to move from his hands, Germany, Germany,

694
00:37:56.679 --> 00:37:59.519
to the hands of another. And when it moves to

695
00:37:59.539 --> 00:38:01.530
the other, history is going to change again.

696
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Let me ask you, Rabbi, you know, we've got about

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nine minutes left here. I mean, I really appreciate your time.

791
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We're able to get into some extra detail here.

792
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Is that.

793
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With things lining up right now, with what's going on

794
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in Iran, and you've got this, you know, this other

795
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trinity going on, Iran, China, and Russia, and we know

796
00:43:28.389 --> 00:43:32.809
that Israel will be attacked from the north. How is

797
00:43:32.849 --> 00:43:36.760
that playing? Is there a connection here? with the throne

798
00:43:36.780 --> 00:43:40.750
of Satan and these three countries moving on Israel?

799
00:43:41.510 --> 00:43:44.570
Well, there is in a few ways. I mean, interesting,

800
00:43:45.050 --> 00:43:49.530
first of all, okay, you mentioned Russia and you mentioned China. Okay,

801
00:43:49.750 --> 00:43:53.369
China is still under this darkness that is linked to

802
00:43:53.409 --> 00:43:54.650
the altar of communism.

803
00:43:55.170 --> 00:43:55.369
Right.

804
00:43:55.530 --> 00:43:58.800
Russia was, and Russia, this power, was used in this

805
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against the Jewish people. Iran is an ancient nation. that

806
00:44:04.500 --> 00:44:06.300
the Bible says will be an enemy of Israel in

807
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the last days. When it talks about in Ezekiel 38

808
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and 39, there's going to be an invasion and Iran

809
00:44:11.900 --> 00:44:14.389
is going to be, you know, Iran has never directly

810
00:44:14.630 --> 00:44:17.909
been at war with Israel directly until these last few years.

811
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Never happened. We crossed a prophetic line. And the nations

812
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that the Bible says are going to be part of

813
00:44:23.250 --> 00:44:26.809
that attack on Israel, for the first time, they were

814
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all part of something together, an attack, which they were

815
00:44:29.760 --> 00:44:32.860
all linked to October 7th. They funded it, they trained it,

816
00:44:33.380 --> 00:44:36.219
all of them. So you're seeing that all line up.

817
00:44:36.420 --> 00:44:40.960
And Ezekiel 38 and 39 leads up to, you know,

818
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really revelation. I mean, what you see, this comes before Armageddon.

819
00:44:44.929 --> 00:44:47.070
This is something before that. But it leads up to it.

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And when you read also, the interesting thing is when

821
00:44:49.269 --> 00:44:53.000
you read Ezekiel 38 and 39, what comes right after it?

822
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Ezekiel 40 is about the building of the temple. So

823
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every Jewish person, when this thing happens, when Ezekiel 38

824
00:44:59.349 --> 00:45:01.630
and 39 is fulfilled, every Jewish person in the world

825
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is going to be reading Ezekiel 38 and 39. And

826
00:45:04.989 --> 00:45:08.050
then the next chapter says, okay, now rebuild the temple.

827
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So they're going to rebuild the temple. You know, now, now,

828
00:45:11.389 --> 00:45:13.329
now an interesting thing about this is, you know, at

829
00:45:13.369 --> 00:45:16.530
the end, it's all the, the final wars, the final

830
00:45:16.590 --> 00:45:19.969
spot is the temple. I mean, that's think about that

831
00:45:20.309 --> 00:45:22.150
at the, we started at the beginning with, with the

832
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devil saying, I will lift up my throne. I'll sit

833
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on the mountain of the assembly. That's the temple. Where

834
00:45:29.010 --> 00:45:32.130
was God enthroned on earth? He was enthroned on the

835
00:45:32.170 --> 00:45:35.130
temple mount. I mean, that was a place. So the

836
00:45:35.210 --> 00:45:38.130
devil wants that. Okay. So it's interesting.

837
00:45:38.170 --> 00:45:40.159
That's where God has placed his name and his word.

838
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Yes. Yes.

839
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And that is where the Lord Messiah, Jesus, is going

840
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to reign from. So, yeah. And so therefore it's interesting

841
00:45:48.000 --> 00:45:50.739
because when you say, because the altar of Pergamon is

842
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linked to that mystery from the beginning, the devil tried

843
00:45:52.659 --> 00:45:55.719
to put up that altar of Zeus. Then, then, then

844
00:45:55.760 --> 00:45:58.059
his friend built the altar of Pergamon. And now we

845
00:45:58.079 --> 00:46:00.369
got the altar of Pergamon with all these evil things

846
00:46:00.409 --> 00:46:01.750
trying to against Israel.

847
00:46:01.969 --> 00:46:02.130
Right.

848
00:46:02.610 --> 00:46:04.929
And then the antichrist, you know, now the antichrist is

849
00:46:04.949 --> 00:46:06.710
going to, it says he's going to defile that temple.

850
00:46:06.730 --> 00:46:10.289
There's going to be an abomination. Okay. Could now it's interesting.

851
00:46:10.429 --> 00:46:13.599
This is where I've never said this ever before. The interesting,

852
00:46:13.639 --> 00:46:16.400
amazing thing, and this is, Bill, this is just the

853
00:46:16.440 --> 00:46:18.039
last few days. I don't know what I put in

854
00:46:18.059 --> 00:46:22.449
the book, but I'm looking at the abomination, the first

855
00:46:22.590 --> 00:46:25.349
one that was the shadow, which is what happened in Daniel,

856
00:46:25.630 --> 00:46:28.909
which happened with Hanukkah, that was, it wasn't even an idol,

857
00:46:28.929 --> 00:46:30.239
it was the altar of Zeus.

858
00:46:30.820 --> 00:46:31.050
Yes.

859
00:46:31.219 --> 00:46:35.510
Which then becomes the altar of Pergamon. Abomination, you know,

860
00:46:35.590 --> 00:46:38.860
could this be linked to that final desecration, you know,

861
00:46:38.880 --> 00:46:41.320
of the temple, everything we're talking about? Because it is there.

862
00:46:42.139 --> 00:46:44.880
And I told you the Antichrist will undoubtedly have possession

863
00:46:44.920 --> 00:46:47.210
of the throne of Satan. And the other thing is,

864
00:46:47.239 --> 00:46:49.960
if you go on the Temple Mount today and you

865
00:46:49.980 --> 00:46:53.739
look and write what's over where God's throne was, it's

866
00:46:53.780 --> 00:46:54.260
the Dome.

867
00:46:54.119 --> 00:46:54.539
Of the Rock.

868
00:46:54.579 --> 00:46:55.320
The Dome of the Rock.

869
00:46:55.340 --> 00:46:55.739
Yeah, right.

870
00:46:55.780 --> 00:46:57.239
But if you look at the Dome of the Rock

871
00:46:57.480 --> 00:47:00.880
and you look at the marble, the pieces that they

872
00:47:00.920 --> 00:47:05.480
put in there, they didn't mean this. The marble forms

873
00:47:05.760 --> 00:47:08.940
a very clear, you're looking at it, it's the face

874
00:47:09.239 --> 00:47:14.460
of Satan staring at you with horns, with everything, right

875
00:47:14.699 --> 00:47:17.579
on there. You know, he said, I will put my throne,

876
00:47:17.659 --> 00:47:21.480
I will sit where the Most High sits. Amazing. It's true.

877
00:47:21.900 --> 00:47:24.159
And the entire history of the world has been affected

878
00:47:24.199 --> 00:47:25.739
by it and it will be affected. But let me just,

879
00:47:25.969 --> 00:47:27.230
let me bring it to a good thing.

880
00:47:27.449 --> 00:47:29.210
Well, let me just say this. It's interesting because you

881
00:47:29.230 --> 00:47:32.170
talk about, he says he's going to sit where the

882
00:47:32.210 --> 00:47:35.480
Most High sits. Well, now we've gone from when he

883
00:47:35.500 --> 00:47:38.480
was kicked out of heaven, he exalted himself five times

884
00:47:38.559 --> 00:47:41.099
and wanted to be above God. Now he's willing to

885
00:47:41.159 --> 00:47:43.909
compromise and say, I want to be as God and

886
00:47:43.989 --> 00:47:46.289
I will sit at the same level as God.

887
00:47:46.730 --> 00:47:47.110
Yes.

888
00:47:47.369 --> 00:47:49.250
If I'm reading that and hearing that correctly.

889
00:47:49.489 --> 00:47:52.130
Yeah, yeah. What did he say he's going to exalt?

890
00:47:52.489 --> 00:47:54.730
His throne. Yes. Throne of Satan.

891
00:47:55.150 --> 00:47:55.369
Yes.

892
00:47:55.730 --> 00:47:58.530
And so to bring this home, you know, listen, every

893
00:47:58.550 --> 00:48:00.449
book of mine ends with hope and ends with a charge.

894
00:48:00.730 --> 00:48:02.760
And here's the thing. Listen, this is why I'm also

895
00:48:02.820 --> 00:48:05.420
praying that people watching, don't just get it for yourself.

896
00:48:05.480 --> 00:48:07.400
Get it for people in your life who need to

897
00:48:07.440 --> 00:48:09.730
be saved. Because they're going to be drawn into it.

898
00:48:10.780 --> 00:48:13.409
It's a story. But it's going to show how real

899
00:48:13.469 --> 00:48:15.650
God is, how real his word is, and then how

900
00:48:15.670 --> 00:48:18.090
we have to get saved. Because it all goes right

901
00:48:18.110 --> 00:48:21.170
to salvation. Right on. Okay. So the thing is this. Listen,

902
00:48:21.289 --> 00:48:23.690
if God, if the enemy is real and the devil

903
00:48:23.730 --> 00:48:26.070
is very real, look, it's almost destroyed the world. I mean,

904
00:48:26.090 --> 00:48:28.429
it's how real it is. then God is even more real.

905
00:48:28.710 --> 00:48:30.730
And that means every word of the Bible, look, this

906
00:48:30.769 --> 00:48:32.670
whole thing comes from Revelation where it talks about this,

907
00:48:32.889 --> 00:48:36.309
and look what it reveals. How incredible the word of

908
00:48:36.349 --> 00:48:39.750
God is. It's real. Every promise is real. And the

909
00:48:39.789 --> 00:48:43.510
devil's fighting God because he has his own altar because

910
00:48:43.550 --> 00:48:45.380
he hates God's altar. You know what God's altar is?

911
00:48:45.679 --> 00:48:49.039
The cross. It doesn't take life. He gives life. You know, it's, it's,

912
00:48:49.219 --> 00:48:51.820
it's our beautiful God who gives us life. That's where

913
00:48:51.860 --> 00:48:53.630
we got to come to. That's what overcomes, that's what

914
00:48:53.670 --> 00:48:56.269
overcomes the devil. And it says they will overcome him

915
00:48:56.329 --> 00:48:58.550
by the blood of the lamb, you know? So, so,

916
00:48:58.630 --> 00:49:00.389
and remember that the devil has been trying to destroy

917
00:49:00.449 --> 00:49:03.460
Israel for, for over like thousands of years, but they're

918
00:49:03.539 --> 00:49:06.420
all those powers are gone. But Israel still lives because

919
00:49:06.739 --> 00:49:09.059
God lives, because Messiah lives, and we're going to live.

920
00:49:09.539 --> 00:49:12.099
We prevail. We win in the end. But be strong.

921
00:49:12.159 --> 00:49:14.260
The fight is real. But if you fight, you're going

922
00:49:14.280 --> 00:49:16.289
to win. So if I could just say, listen, I

923
00:49:16.730 --> 00:49:18.570
just say it should be the alternate program is just

924
00:49:18.610 --> 00:49:20.570
coming out now, but you'll get it anywhere. If they

925
00:49:20.610 --> 00:49:24.269
go online now, Amazon, anywhere, it's going to be there.

926
00:49:24.929 --> 00:49:26.590
If you go to any bookstore in a moment, it's

927
00:49:26.610 --> 00:49:29.090
going to be there. But again, think about people in

928
00:49:29.110 --> 00:49:31.929
your life who need to get saved. That's my, there's

929
00:49:31.969 --> 00:49:34.460
a story there. It's a thriller, but there's so much more.

930
00:49:35.219 --> 00:49:38.079
Even though Bill is so gracious, he gives the time

931
00:49:38.380 --> 00:49:40.900
to get into all these things. We just touched the surface.

932
00:49:40.920 --> 00:49:42.360
There's so much more to this mystery.

933
00:49:42.940 --> 00:49:43.579
Right, exactly.

934
00:49:43.599 --> 00:49:47.380
As you said, the book reveals, what, over 200 mysteries?

935
00:49:47.440 --> 00:49:49.840
We counted about 200 mysteries. Wow.

936
00:49:51.619 --> 00:49:54.960
Like I said, put on your seatbelt and your crash helmet.

937
00:49:55.739 --> 00:49:58.059
Rabbi is always... It looks like this.

938
00:49:58.579 --> 00:49:58.780
Yes.

939
00:49:58.800 --> 00:50:02.440
Yeah, it looks like this. The mystery of the dark angels.

940
00:50:02.460 --> 00:50:04.760
So if you see that anywhere, you got it.

941
00:50:05.199 --> 00:50:07.480
Yeah, so you want to run to it. Run to it.

942
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Get your hands on it. Get your neighbor, run with

943
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your neighbor, your family members, because this is going to,

944
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all these things that are happening, because the number one question, Rabbi,

945
00:50:19.460 --> 00:50:22.329
the number one question I get is, is God judging us?

946
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Yeah, well, we are certainly in danger of judgment and

947
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under that. And as any nation that has been so

948
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blessed as America has been, we've been blessed for as

949
00:50:33.639 --> 00:50:35.070
much as we follow God and as much as we

950
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blessed Israel or the Jewish people. That's a law. But

951
00:50:37.739 --> 00:50:40.360
if we're turning away from one and now we're in

952
00:50:40.380 --> 00:50:42.710
danger of turning away from the other, all bets are off.

953
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So yeah, and he also judges us also correctively too,

954
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because in the sense that He allows things to happen

955
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to try to pull us back. That's what he did

956
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with Israel.

957
00:50:51.889 --> 00:50:52.130
Exactly.

958
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To bring us back. So there is already that happening.

959
00:50:54.550 --> 00:50:56.769
You know, things are, everybody senses things are not right.

960
00:50:57.050 --> 00:50:59.889
Everybody senses it's not like it was. Things are not right.

961
00:51:00.159 --> 00:51:02.619
There's something brewing and there's something not right. Because when

962
00:51:02.639 --> 00:51:04.179
you take God out, it's never going to be right.

963
00:51:04.340 --> 00:51:06.980
So he allows it in his mercy to call us back.

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Only when there's no more hope, that's it. You know,

965
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so yeah. We need revival. Amen.

966
00:51:12.719 --> 00:51:12.889
Amen.

967
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Preceded by repentance because we had to know.

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00:51:16.780 --> 00:51:18.699
You can't have revival without repentance.

969
00:51:18.739 --> 00:51:22.150
Exactly rabbi jonathan khan the book the altar of pergamon

970
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the mystery of the dark angel and the future of

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the world rabbi always thank you so much god bless.

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You thank you bill always always a joy thank you.

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Getting America back on track. Bill Martinez live. Hey, we're

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back with you.

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00:53:44.820 --> 00:53:47.199
Glad you could join us. Bill Martinez here, along with

1013
00:53:47.800 --> 00:53:51.119
Carl Gallops, the senior pastor of Hickory Hammock Baptist Church,

1014
00:53:51.300 --> 00:53:56.139
and also the amazing Amazon Top 60 bestselling author and

1015
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former decorated Florida law enforcement officer. Carl, good morning. Good

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to have you with us.

1017
00:54:01.210 --> 00:54:04.670
Good morning, my dear brother and friend, Bill Martinez.

1018
00:54:05.010 --> 00:54:07.469
It's always an honor to be with you. Always.

1019
00:54:07.739 --> 00:54:10.900
Well, I always look forward to our conversations because, uh,

1020
00:54:12.260 --> 00:54:16.059
we get to be vulnerable and raw in such a

1021
00:54:16.119 --> 00:54:19.739
way to bring a message. It's a heavy message, especially

1022
00:54:19.780 --> 00:54:24.610
right now, but it's also a hopeful message because like anything,

1023
00:54:24.849 --> 00:54:26.929
you know, a lot of people say, I was mentioning

1024
00:54:26.949 --> 00:54:29.050
to you before we got on the air is I'm,

1025
00:54:29.289 --> 00:54:30.809
you know, I have people come up to me and go, Bill,

1026
00:54:31.170 --> 00:54:34.670
you know, are we being judged right now? And, and

1027
00:54:34.690 --> 00:54:37.269
I say, well, I think that's a good question because

1028
00:54:37.469 --> 00:54:41.010
you're starting to see the signs of And and and

1029
00:54:41.070 --> 00:54:44.010
so let's interpret those signs. And this is why I

1030
00:54:44.030 --> 00:54:46.550
was looking forward to having you on, because you're so

1031
00:54:46.650 --> 00:54:49.849
insightful about it that we can go through and recount

1032
00:54:49.889 --> 00:54:53.469
because there's nothing new under the sun. We're living in

1033
00:54:53.489 --> 00:54:56.179
a way, you know, God is the same yesterday, today

1034
00:54:56.219 --> 00:54:59.880
and forever. OK, and that is singly who we honor

1035
00:54:59.920 --> 00:55:03.019
here because we you know, when we're in trouble, we

1036
00:55:03.059 --> 00:55:07.139
need to recalibrate. And the way to recalibrate is you

1037
00:55:07.340 --> 00:55:10.340
you've got to come back to God to recalibrate. Right.

1038
00:55:10.760 --> 00:55:10.980
Right.

1039
00:55:11.119 --> 00:55:11.340
Right.

1040
00:55:11.760 --> 00:55:12.260
Absolutely.

1041
00:55:12.630 --> 00:55:15.329
Well, listen, let me address what you're saying. I'll give

1042
00:55:15.409 --> 00:55:18.409
the bad news first, then the good news. The bottom

1043
00:55:18.449 --> 00:55:21.210
line is the whole world is under judgment and has

1044
00:55:21.289 --> 00:55:22.610
been since the Garden of Eden.

1045
00:55:22.710 --> 00:55:24.949
And I know that people will say, well, no, duh.

1046
00:55:25.250 --> 00:55:27.670
But I'm talking about the United States. Yeah.

1047
00:55:27.889 --> 00:55:30.250
And we in the United States tend to think that

1048
00:55:30.489 --> 00:55:33.849
everything about God's word and everything about the world revolves

1049
00:55:33.909 --> 00:55:34.469
around us.

1050
00:55:34.760 --> 00:55:35.489
It does not.

1051
00:55:35.969 --> 00:55:38.880
It does not. We're a young country. I mean, according

1052
00:55:38.900 --> 00:55:41.559
to all, you know, with all the empires of the world.

1053
00:55:42.579 --> 00:55:46.739
But anyway, the bottom line, so the world is under judgment.

1054
00:55:46.860 --> 00:55:47.179
Yes.

1055
00:55:47.510 --> 00:55:49.369
And that judgment day is coming.

1056
00:55:49.750 --> 00:55:53.030
We are now living in the most prophetic time since

1057
00:55:53.090 --> 00:55:55.800
the first coming of Jesus Christ. We've done shows on

1058
00:55:55.840 --> 00:55:58.280
this before. I'll just do a quick little recap of

1059
00:55:58.340 --> 00:56:01.059
what I'm talking about. Yeah, Israel's back. The Word of

1060
00:56:01.099 --> 00:56:02.980
God is the only book on the planet that said

1061
00:56:03.019 --> 00:56:05.920
it would come back 50 times. Now, we're the first

1062
00:56:05.960 --> 00:56:08.739
generation to see that. Now, we're in a war with Iran,

1063
00:56:08.820 --> 00:56:12.780
who's been attacking Israel, and the Bible said that nation

1064
00:56:12.860 --> 00:56:15.639
would be the premier nation that would be tied to

1065
00:56:16.110 --> 00:56:20.849
Gog and Magog, which are the nations north of it, China, Russia, Turkey,

1066
00:56:21.030 --> 00:56:24.610
the Stan nations, and they would be coming against Israel

1067
00:56:24.650 --> 00:56:25.389
in the last days.

1068
00:56:25.670 --> 00:56:28.659
Well, What a coincidence.

1069
00:56:28.659 --> 00:56:31.820
2,700 years after those prophecies were given.

1070
00:56:31.880 --> 00:56:34.420
Watch this. In only one book.

1071
00:56:34.309 --> 00:56:34.889
On the planet.

1072
00:56:35.429 --> 00:56:38.030
It's not in the Quran. It's not in the Hindu Vedas.

1073
00:56:38.110 --> 00:56:40.429
It's not in the teachings of Buddha and on and

1074
00:56:40.489 --> 00:56:42.070
on and on. Nostradamus, nobody.

1075
00:56:42.289 --> 00:56:44.340
But the word of God, the word of.

1076
00:56:44.300 --> 00:56:48.940
The living God who does not change said, When you

1077
00:56:49.039 --> 00:56:53.039
see Israel come back and then when it's finally in

1078
00:56:53.079 --> 00:56:57.039
the land for a while, meaning decades, peaceful. In other words,

1079
00:56:57.079 --> 00:57:00.420
they're going on with trade and everything. They've always had wars,

1080
00:57:00.500 --> 00:57:03.250
just like the United States. But look at the peace

1081
00:57:03.309 --> 00:57:05.630
we get to live in in the United States, in

1082
00:57:05.650 --> 00:57:08.889
the United States. So they've had a portion of that

1083
00:57:09.030 --> 00:57:10.670
as best as it could be in the Middle East.

1084
00:57:11.030 --> 00:57:14.130
But it says, the Bible says, when that happens, Persia,

1085
00:57:14.230 --> 00:57:18.449
which is Iran, will attack. in conjunction with China and Russia,

1086
00:57:18.650 --> 00:57:21.789
Gog and Magog. Well, we're the first generation to see

1087
00:57:22.030 --> 00:57:25.130
all of that collide, and the church in the world

1088
00:57:25.309 --> 00:57:29.230
and in America is asleep to the fact by and large.

1089
00:57:29.449 --> 00:57:31.289
And who's backing Iran right now?

1090
00:57:32.650 --> 00:57:33.389
Russia and China.

1091
00:57:33.639 --> 00:57:35.980
It's the axis. That's your point.

1092
00:57:36.099 --> 00:57:36.619
Exactly.

1093
00:57:37.360 --> 00:57:40.380
There was an article in Fox News just last week

1094
00:57:40.579 --> 00:57:46.019
about how strongly that coalition is coming. About two months ago,

1095
00:57:46.079 --> 00:57:48.360
they already hinted to it and said that Russia and

1096
00:57:48.389 --> 00:57:50.730
China are reaching out to Iran. Don't worry, we'll supply

1097
00:57:50.750 --> 00:57:54.030
you oil, we'll supply your missiles, we'll supply your money.

1098
00:57:54.349 --> 00:57:56.389
And then just a few days ago said it's full

1099
00:57:56.429 --> 00:58:00.250
blown on. Well, that's how world wars are started.

1100
00:58:00.750 --> 00:58:02.260
I'm not a warmonger.

1101
00:58:02.380 --> 00:58:06.059
I want peace for me, my family, my children, my grandchildren,

1102
00:58:06.099 --> 00:58:07.079
my great-grandchildren.

1103
00:58:07.559 --> 00:58:09.880
But I know the end of the book and I know.

1104
00:58:09.719 --> 00:58:12.570
Where it's all headed. Now, can there be pockets of

1105
00:58:12.710 --> 00:58:15.630
peace and peace treaties? Yes. And I pray for those

1106
00:58:15.690 --> 00:58:19.429
pockets during our lifetime. But the bottom line is, when

1107
00:58:19.469 --> 00:58:22.650
you look at those kinds of things, the explosion of

1108
00:58:22.730 --> 00:58:26.250
technology that's getting ready and already is changing the planet.

1109
00:58:26.650 --> 00:58:30.349
Daniel said that would happen. Jesus himself said that would happen.

1110
00:58:30.389 --> 00:58:32.809
And I've preached on this. I can prove it. The

1111
00:58:32.829 --> 00:58:36.230
book of Revelation says it would happen with technologies that

1112
00:58:36.269 --> 00:58:37.530
we're already using.

1113
00:58:37.789 --> 00:58:39.550
We're the first generation. Okay.

1114
00:58:39.590 --> 00:58:42.960
So when I said all that to prove that we're

1115
00:58:43.059 --> 00:58:45.940
living in the most prophetic times, all these prophecies are

1116
00:58:46.079 --> 00:58:50.039
bursting forth. In the United States, God has used us

1117
00:58:50.539 --> 00:58:54.440
and blessed us to protect Israel, to protect the Jewish

1118
00:58:54.500 --> 00:58:57.699
people after World War II, to end World War I,

1119
00:58:57.739 --> 00:58:58.480
World War II.

1120
00:58:58.699 --> 00:59:00.989
All of these different things. He has used us.

1121
00:59:01.050 --> 00:59:03.769
We're the number one nation of benevolence, the number one

1122
00:59:03.809 --> 00:59:07.550
nation of exporting the gospel of Jesus Christ, the number

1123
00:59:07.650 --> 00:59:09.769
one exporter of contentment.

1124
00:59:11.300 --> 00:59:13.769
Relief, money we give.

1125
00:59:13.570 --> 00:59:15.969
To nations that need it, on and on and on.

1126
00:59:16.210 --> 00:59:19.750
No other nation ever in history has done these things.

1127
00:59:20.190 --> 00:59:24.000
When we win a war, We don't colonize those countries.

1128
00:59:24.400 --> 00:59:29.260
In fact, Japan, we dropped nuclear bombs and then we

1129
00:59:29.320 --> 00:59:30.500
rebuilt everything.

1130
00:59:30.559 --> 00:59:31.900
And now we're one of their.

1131
00:59:32.059 --> 00:59:36.099
Greatest trading partners and protectors and on and on and

1132
00:59:36.159 --> 00:59:38.440
on it goes. I'm not trying to say we're perfect.

1133
00:59:38.480 --> 00:59:41.969
We're not. We are filled with evil, evil, evil. The

1134
00:59:42.050 --> 00:59:46.409
abortion industry is ripe and alive. The whole transgender thing

1135
00:59:46.489 --> 00:59:48.389
about we don't know what a boy or a girl is.

1136
00:59:48.429 --> 00:59:53.230
Look at the WNBA right now. going through craziness. States

1137
00:59:53.309 --> 00:59:56.869
are fighting about violating Title IX.

1138
00:59:56.889 --> 00:59:59.429
I mean, that's what they're doing. And they're fighting this.

1139
00:59:59.449 --> 01:00:00.820
They should be able to.

1140
01:00:00.880 --> 01:00:01.300
The last.

1141
01:00:05.170 --> 01:00:10.320
The last presidential regime opened the borders, just said, come in.

1142
01:00:10.360 --> 01:00:14.239
Remember tens of thousands coming up from the South America

1143
01:00:14.280 --> 01:00:18.300
through Mexico on these marches. And Biden was going, yeah,

1144
01:00:18.360 --> 01:00:21.530
and everybody, all the leftists, no nation can survive that.

1145
01:00:21.969 --> 01:00:25.929
So the bottom line is the Bible says that one

1146
01:00:25.969 --> 01:00:29.250
of God's judgments is, upon a nation.

1147
01:00:28.909 --> 01:00:31.469
That turns its back on him. And he was speaking

1148
01:00:31.510 --> 01:00:32.710
to Israel first.

1149
01:00:33.769 --> 01:00:37.440
But then he said, but my judgment is your borders

1150
01:00:37.500 --> 01:00:41.679
will be breached by people of other languages and.

1151
01:00:41.699 --> 01:00:45.150
They will overtake you and you will be destroyed.

1152
01:00:46.380 --> 01:00:49.219
God said that to his own people who brought the

1153
01:00:49.260 --> 01:00:51.480
word of God and the prophets of God and the

1154
01:00:51.519 --> 01:00:52.400
Messiah of God.

1155
01:00:52.659 --> 01:00:54.139
He said, don't turn your back on me.

1156
01:00:54.559 --> 01:00:56.760
Well, there are a ton of people in the United

1157
01:00:56.780 --> 01:00:58.750
States who do not turn their back on the Lord.

1158
01:00:59.309 --> 01:01:02.010
The problem is, is that there are a ton about

1159
01:01:02.030 --> 01:01:04.710
50-50 right now that do in all.

1160
01:01:04.670 --> 01:01:05.530
Manner of ways.

1161
01:01:06.070 --> 01:01:08.230
And so, you know, I can go down the list

1162
01:01:08.269 --> 01:01:11.380
of all the atrocities that America is involved in. I'm

1163
01:01:11.409 --> 01:01:14.519
not making an excuse for us, but I'm saying two things.

1164
01:01:15.309 --> 01:01:17.929
All the nations are involved in these atrocities one way

1165
01:01:17.949 --> 01:01:18.469
or the other.

1166
01:01:19.030 --> 01:01:19.750
And the other thing.

1167
01:01:20.349 --> 01:01:23.369
Yeah, because let me just insert this real quickly, Carl.

1168
01:01:23.710 --> 01:01:27.219
And that is, again, you have to understand a holy

1169
01:01:27.280 --> 01:01:30.360
and righteous God who is just and right. I mean,

1170
01:01:30.380 --> 01:01:35.099
there are certain things within the design of his creation

1171
01:01:35.579 --> 01:01:39.079
and this universe that are built in their boundaries, like

1172
01:01:39.139 --> 01:01:42.309
the law of gravity, things that we don't necessarily see,

1173
01:01:42.389 --> 01:01:45.929
but they operate. They function in spite of our sin

1174
01:01:46.030 --> 01:01:49.849
and our fallenness. And God understood that, and it's designed

1175
01:01:49.869 --> 01:01:52.809
that way. But when we violate those things, a simple thing,

1176
01:01:52.829 --> 01:01:56.340
like I keep saying on this show, when you violate

1177
01:01:56.469 --> 01:01:59.289
the law of gravity, you find out it's painful. And

1178
01:01:59.329 --> 01:02:02.309
so if that's appropriate with the law of gravity, how

1179
01:02:02.349 --> 01:02:05.530
many other laws are we violating? And like the book

1180
01:02:05.550 --> 01:02:11.210
of Ecclesiastes says, because the consequence of said sin is

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not realized immediately, we think that somehow it's okay.

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Yeah, yeah.

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No, you're right.

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And the other thing that's a part of this is

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the hypocritical way that people will blame God when the

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judgment comes. And that's like if I have a nursery, well,

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a daycare center, and I've got it all fenced in

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to come in and out and all that. And we

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tell the kids, don't ever, ever, ever go to that

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gate or near that gate. There's a highway. You could

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the time. Sometimes it's not, you know, et cetera. And

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we tell the kids and tell the kids and tell

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the kids and we tell the parents and tell the parents.

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the fences up. We put the gates up. And that's

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what God's doing. And yet he gives us freedom to choose.

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We're not caged animals and neither are our children, but

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first thing, even atheists, you know, agnostics. I don't believe

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serve him.

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He's like, what are you talking about? Are you hearing yourself?

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We're talking with Carl Gallows, a senior. pastor of Hickory

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Hammock Baptist Church in Milton, Florida, best-selling author, top 60

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best-selling author, I should say, on Amazon, and former decorated

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Florida law enforcement officer. Carl, I will say this in

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terms of, you know, we talk about the prophetic and

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all these prophecies that have been laid out in the Bible.

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To date, are you aware of God ever getting any

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one of those prophecies wrong?

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Yeah, no, not at all.

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Let me first go back to what we were talking

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about and end it like I was getting ready to

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end it. And that is, I said, I'm going to

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give you the bad and then the good. So we

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basically talked about the bad. Yeah, the whole world's under judgment.

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We're under judgment.

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How could we not be? How could we not be?

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Secondly, but the good news is, God is merciful and gracious.

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He doesn't wink at our sin. He doesn't wink at

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the judgment that may just be opened before us. But

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mercy means he's withholding from us what we deserve. We

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should have been judged and shut down a long time ago.

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Look at his mercy he has poured out on this land.

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We sing this song, God shed your grace on thee. Okay,

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grace means giving you something you don't deserve. Mercy says

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he's withholding what you do deserve. but he's giving look

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how blessed we are as a nation the most powerful

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nation the richest nation the most the the the nation

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that has the most opportunity most of the people in

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the world that want to immigrate to another country for

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a hundred years.

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Number one is the United States.

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The next five destinations put together doesn't even come close

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to the number of people that want to come here. Now,

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you see how broken the world is. We're living in

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Satan's world. You see how broken the United States culture is.

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We're to most of the people of the world that

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want to immigrate, this is heaven on earth. That should

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wake you up because when we look at all the

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craziness around us and that's as good as it gets

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on earth, yeah, that's it.

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This is it. That's why Ronald.

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Reagan said, don't let that light on a hill go

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out because the world will be in darkness. Not that

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we are the light of the world, but God's using us. Okay,

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so that's why I just tell individual believers, Keep your

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eyes on Jesus.

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Stay in the word. Study to show yourself approved.

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Become that ambassador, that witness that God wants us to be.

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And he will take care of us like Noah living

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in his day and like Lot living in his day.

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They were under judgment, but Noah and his family and

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Lot and his family were protected. Now, back to your question. No,

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I've never seen a prophecy that is in God's Word.

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That has not been fulfilled, except, of course, those that

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will be fulfilled, like the second coming of Jesus Christ.

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But because there are 50 prophecies from Deuteronomy to Zechariah

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about the coming of Israel, and then several prophecies about

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the exact nations that will attack that Israel, that's all happening.

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And because there are 300-something prophecies of Golgotha, right down

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to being killed between two thieves, buried in a rich

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man's tomb, risen again, gambling for the clothing under his feet,

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hands and feet pierced, on and on up.

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That's all in the Old Testament.

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All of them were 1,000 years before Christ, and the

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youngest were like 700 or 400 years before Christ, two

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to three times the length of the United States. They

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have all happened, and history records it, and now more

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are coming. Here's Israel. Here's the nations. Here's technology going

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through the roof. Here are these things that the Bible

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speaks of. The gospel is going all over the world 24-7,

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trillions of times a day, according to information technology statistics.

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The gospel has the ability.

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It's going all over the world because you and I,

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this right here is going.

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Right.

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It's all over the world.

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Exactly.

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And we'll get on social media and post it.

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Then we'll get on social media and put up some

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scriptures or we'll urge people to look at it. That's

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just the two of us. There are billions of people

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who claim to be believers. So all of that was

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prophesied in the Bible. And so because all of that

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has come true and is coming true right before our

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eyes and none of it was ever missed by God's word.

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then I believe everything it says about his coming again.

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Exactly.

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I mean, that's the big deal.

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That's the big explosion of the last of Satan's kingdom

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is the coming of Jesus Christ and everything being made new.

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That's on the horizon.

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I don't set dates, but I know it's getting close

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because when Israel comes back, the word of God says,

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and I'm going to paraphrase, that's the ticking clock, the

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countdown clock.

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Right.

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Yeah, you and I have talked about this. I've always maintained,

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I'm always, you know, I think when I got out

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of Bible college and God opened my eyes to that

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reality and looking and saying, you need to focus on Israel.

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I said, it's as if the hour hand of God's

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prophetic clock was set when Israel became a nation again.

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And all that's been passing are minutes and seconds. I

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just see you, they're spinning. And here we are, as

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01:14:13.760 --> 01:14:15.680
you just laid this out, Carl, again, we're not setting

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any dates and time. But boy, we're near and very

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01:14:28.109 --> 01:14:30.819
things are lined up in such a way, what else,

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01:14:30.960 --> 01:14:36.680
what next needs to happen before Jesus is there at Armageddon?

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01:14:37.460 --> 01:14:37.640
Right.

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01:14:37.840 --> 01:14:40.590
Well, there are all kinds of isms and schisms within

1419
01:14:40.600 --> 01:14:45.609
the Christian interpretation of the scriptures. Is it pre-tribulation, mid-tribulation, post-tribulation?

1420
01:14:45.890 --> 01:14:46.829
I don't even go there.

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01:14:47.109 --> 01:14:49.090
Now, I know what I believe because I know what

1422
01:14:49.149 --> 01:14:52.520
Jesus said clearly. And it usually infuriates people when I

1423
01:14:52.569 --> 01:14:54.520
quote that verse because they don't know how to deal

1424
01:14:54.560 --> 01:14:57.239
with it. They don't know what to say. But that's

1425
01:14:57.319 --> 01:15:00.300
not really what you're asking. But what you're asking is

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01:15:00.760 --> 01:15:03.840
what has to happen next? Well, so much of what

1427
01:15:03.899 --> 01:15:08.069
has to happen next is now happening. and that is

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01:15:08.149 --> 01:15:10.949
all centered on Israel and the Middle East. Also, it's

1429
01:15:10.989 --> 01:15:13.890
centered on Turkey. Let me remind you, in the book

1430
01:15:13.930 --> 01:15:17.529
of Revelation, the seven letters to the seven churches, all

1431
01:15:17.600 --> 01:15:20.960
seven churches are in what's now Turkey, and they're in

1432
01:15:21.039 --> 01:15:24.220
kind of a circle, if you will. Not a perfect circle,

1433
01:15:24.260 --> 01:15:25.340
but they make.

1434
01:15:25.159 --> 01:15:29.460
A circle right in the middle of Turkey. Turkey is

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01:15:29.619 --> 01:15:32.359
kind of the birthplace of Islam, etc.

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01:15:32.500 --> 01:15:34.850
I mean, that was the one of the nations that

1437
01:15:34.909 --> 01:15:39.529
took this as their major religion. And the Turkic people

1438
01:15:39.569 --> 01:15:41.930
were not Islamic. That was all invented in the 600s.

1439
01:15:42.069 --> 01:15:45.479
And so now you've got 49 nations of the world

1440
01:15:45.520 --> 01:15:47.960
that are totally Islamic. And these are the ones coming

1441
01:15:48.039 --> 01:15:48.939
after Israel.

1442
01:15:49.420 --> 01:15:50.060
Oh, my gosh.

1443
01:15:50.199 --> 01:15:56.729
Wake up, folks. So those are the times we're living in.

1444
01:15:57.329 --> 01:16:00.649
And all of this is happening. And so the second

1445
01:16:00.829 --> 01:16:03.050
coming of Jesus is the big deal.

1446
01:16:03.329 --> 01:16:04.319
What happens next?

1447
01:16:04.619 --> 01:16:07.760
Well, you know, it's a matter of interpretation to some people,

1448
01:16:07.800 --> 01:16:10.859
but the bottom line is there's coming a time on

1449
01:16:10.899 --> 01:16:15.130
this earth when there will be a cabal of leadership.

1450
01:16:18.109 --> 01:16:21.090
That believes they own the world. Of course, Satan's given

1451
01:16:21.109 --> 01:16:21.850
them that spirit.

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01:16:21.909 --> 01:16:24.789
We know that as the lawless one or the antichrist

1453
01:16:24.970 --> 01:16:28.449
and his cabal. There's a cabal around him. The Bible

1454
01:16:28.510 --> 01:16:31.430
says that in the Old and New Testament. And what

1455
01:16:31.550 --> 01:16:35.079
happens with that is all kind of technological wonders. Now,

1456
01:16:35.100 --> 01:16:38.020
the Bible doesn't say technology. It says, but he calls

1457
01:16:38.060 --> 01:16:41.600
down fire from the heavens. We're already doing that. I mean, militarily,

1458
01:16:41.680 --> 01:16:45.319
we do that to a degree of perfection of what

1459
01:16:45.380 --> 01:16:47.479
the scripture says. If I had more time, I'd talk

1460
01:16:47.520 --> 01:16:51.159
about it. Also tracking everybody on the planet. You have

1461
01:16:51.199 --> 01:16:52.930
to if you're going to have everybody take a mark

1462
01:16:53.210 --> 01:16:56.170
or they can't buy or sell. Well, that means money

1463
01:16:56.210 --> 01:16:59.569
has to be digitalized. Well, all of that's happening right now.

1464
01:16:59.750 --> 01:17:01.869
And we have the technology for all of it.

1465
01:17:02.260 --> 01:17:03.399
Most of it's happening.

1466
01:17:03.739 --> 01:17:08.560
It's just not being pushed into that cabal yet. that's

1467
01:17:08.720 --> 01:17:11.739
going to happen. Now, here's where people argue, yeah, but

1468
01:17:11.760 --> 01:17:13.779
we'll be out of here. We won't even see that. Well,

1469
01:17:14.180 --> 01:17:16.659
that's not what Jesus said. It's not what the Bible says,

1470
01:17:17.000 --> 01:17:19.819
but it doesn't matter. God's going to do what he's

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01:17:19.840 --> 01:17:21.239
going to do, and we're going to be in the

1472
01:17:21.390 --> 01:17:23.069
air when he says we're.

1473
01:17:22.909 --> 01:17:23.729
Going to be in the air.

1474
01:17:24.149 --> 01:17:24.569
Right, exactly.

1475
01:17:24.590 --> 01:17:27.069
He's going to bring the flood. He's going to bring

1476
01:17:27.109 --> 01:17:30.090
the fire from heaven. He's going to bring his wrath

1477
01:17:30.430 --> 01:17:32.850
But we have not been appointed to wrath, the Bible

1478
01:17:32.890 --> 01:17:37.489
says very clearly. 1 Thessalonians chapter 5. You are children

1479
01:17:37.529 --> 01:17:41.140
of light. That day will not overtake you. You will

1480
01:17:41.279 --> 01:17:44.359
not be appointed unto God's wrath. You can almost hear

1481
01:17:44.399 --> 01:17:45.539
him speaking that to Noah.

1482
01:17:46.220 --> 01:17:46.720
To Lot.

1483
01:17:47.119 --> 01:17:49.560
And in Luke 17, Jesus said, the coming of the

1484
01:17:49.600 --> 01:17:53.020
Son of Man will be just like the days of

1485
01:17:53.100 --> 01:17:56.909
Noah and just like the days of Lot. And so

1486
01:17:57.289 --> 01:18:00.770
that's my understanding. I know the isms and schisms and

1487
01:18:00.789 --> 01:18:03.850
they are fervent and they are passionate, but I've been

1488
01:18:03.890 --> 01:18:08.609
on live TV before. with a host that dragged me

1489
01:18:08.689 --> 01:18:10.829
into that conversation. I told him, I said, this is

1490
01:18:10.850 --> 01:18:13.670
your show. I know what you believe. It's not what

1491
01:18:13.729 --> 01:18:14.130
I believe.

1492
01:18:14.210 --> 01:18:15.529
Really? I said, yeah.

1493
01:18:15.770 --> 01:18:16.520
Well, I want to hear it.

1494
01:18:16.560 --> 01:18:17.659
I said, no, you really don't.

1495
01:18:18.220 --> 01:18:20.159
And I was trying to be funny, but he kept

1496
01:18:20.199 --> 01:18:22.600
pushing me and prodding me. So I just very sweetly

1497
01:18:22.640 --> 01:18:26.260
told him about Luke 17, what Jesus said. Isn't it funny?

1498
01:18:26.619 --> 01:18:29.899
In John chapter 14, Jesus said, I'm the way, the truth,

1499
01:18:29.920 --> 01:18:32.199
the life, and no one comes to the Father. Okay,

1500
01:18:32.220 --> 01:18:37.420
that's a black and white statement. No True Bible scholar

1501
01:18:37.439 --> 01:18:39.340
would say, well, there are many ways you can get

1502
01:18:39.399 --> 01:18:39.739
to Jesus.

1503
01:18:39.760 --> 01:18:40.270
Yeah, right.

1504
01:18:40.279 --> 01:18:40.699
Exactly.

1505
01:18:40.770 --> 01:18:41.050
Why?

1506
01:18:41.239 --> 01:18:45.810
Because of John 14. Well, it's pre-trib, it's mid-trib. Well,

1507
01:18:45.829 --> 01:18:47.550
where do you get that from? Well, because we read

1508
01:18:47.590 --> 01:18:49.710
this into it and this into it. How about the

1509
01:18:49.800 --> 01:18:53.819
black and white statement that Jesus made in Luke 17?

1510
01:18:53.819 --> 01:18:57.829
Just like the days of Noah, just like the days

1511
01:18:57.890 --> 01:19:01.909
of Lot. And for the first 300 years of church history,

1512
01:19:02.270 --> 01:19:06.250
that's all the church preached. It's called historic premillennialism now,

1513
01:19:06.270 --> 01:19:09.399
a big theological word. They preach what Jesus taught them

1514
01:19:09.840 --> 01:19:12.760
and what he said there. And so the bottom line

1515
01:19:12.800 --> 01:19:14.720
is I'm trying to get the church to wake up

1516
01:19:15.039 --> 01:19:19.039
to the possibility. It's not pre-trip or mid-trip. We need

1517
01:19:19.060 --> 01:19:22.689
to live in. for the Lord like Noah and Lot.

1518
01:19:23.050 --> 01:19:26.380
And Peter writes about it. In 2 Peter, he says,

1519
01:19:26.439 --> 01:19:29.119
I'm going to paraphrase, if God knew how to take

1520
01:19:29.159 --> 01:19:32.239
care of Noah in his day, and he means his

1521
01:19:32.300 --> 01:19:35.760
day of tribulation, philipsis is the Greek word, And he

1522
01:19:35.880 --> 01:19:38.100
knew how to take care of Lot in his day.

1523
01:19:38.520 --> 01:19:40.279
How much more will he know how to take care

1524
01:19:40.319 --> 01:19:42.960
of us when that day comes? So, I mean, the

1525
01:19:43.000 --> 01:19:46.909
Bible's clear. Those are the kind of things. This war

1526
01:19:47.029 --> 01:19:49.970
in Israel apparently one day is going to get worse

1527
01:19:50.029 --> 01:19:53.449
and worse, led by Iran. Then God's going to intervene,

1528
01:19:53.529 --> 01:19:58.720
according to Ezekiel 37, 38, and 39. He's going to intervene,

1529
01:19:58.840 --> 01:20:01.260
showing that it's not the nations that's going to save Israel.

1530
01:20:01.399 --> 01:20:04.140
It's him. Exactly. All the world will see it.

1531
01:20:04.640 --> 01:20:08.979
That apparently is connected to the second coming of Jesus Christ. Again,

1532
01:20:09.039 --> 01:20:12.979
people have different interpretations, but apparently it is. So we're

1533
01:20:13.039 --> 01:20:15.300
in the, we're in the midst of watching that culminate

1534
01:20:15.420 --> 01:20:15.699
right now.

1535
01:20:15.720 --> 01:20:16.140
Exactly.

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01:20:16.840 --> 01:20:19.239
All in God, all in God's timing. And this is why,

1537
01:20:19.520 --> 01:20:21.800
you know, some people that want to, you know, be

1538
01:20:21.899 --> 01:20:24.960
pundits about the military action that's going on in the

1539
01:20:25.000 --> 01:20:27.699
United States and the firepower and everything else, it will

1540
01:20:27.739 --> 01:20:29.960
happen when God says it'll happen.

1541
01:20:30.279 --> 01:20:33.090
Yes. Yes. And, uh, Yeah.

1542
01:20:33.229 --> 01:20:35.090
Well, look, we got about, we got, we got 50

1543
01:20:35.090 --> 01:20:37.689
seconds left. I'm so sorry. Cause we're in here, but

1544
01:20:38.010 --> 01:20:39.810
I'm going to let you, I'm going to let you

1545
01:20:39.850 --> 01:20:42.270
summarize it and, and close it out for us.

1546
01:20:42.329 --> 01:20:43.310
Go ahead. Yeah.

1547
01:20:43.470 --> 01:20:47.939
Our salvation, the world salvation and United States salvation is

1548
01:20:48.000 --> 01:20:50.600
not coming on air for force one. It's coming in

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01:20:50.640 --> 01:20:53.600
the clouds of heaven in Jesus Christ. It is in Jesus.

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01:20:53.979 --> 01:20:57.359
Fix your eyes on Jesus. Hebrews chapter 12 verses two

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01:20:57.399 --> 01:21:00.260
through four, and you will be under his protection and

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under his blood.

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01:21:01.850 --> 01:21:03.510
Soon and very soon, right, Carl Gallups?

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01:21:03.529 --> 01:21:04.449
Soon and very soon.

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01:21:04.609 --> 01:21:06.789
And I don't know if it's our lifetime or the

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next one, but it's not going to be long.

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01:21:08.869 --> 01:21:11.489
Yeah, here you go. He's a senior pastor of Hickory

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Hammock Baptist Church in Milton, Florida. Also, Amazon Top 60

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bestselling author, former decorated Florida law enforcement officer, Pastor Carl Gallups. Carl,

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thank you so much, my friend. Take care.

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Thank you, brother.

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God bless you.

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1651
01:26:04.289 --> 01:26:06.489
and we've got David Jenkins going to be joining us

1652
01:26:06.550 --> 01:26:10.069
in just a second to talk about the roadless rule

1653
01:26:10.130 --> 01:26:14.550
that was implemented back in 2001 meant to protect 368,000

1654
01:26:14.550 --> 01:26:18.140
miles of wooded areas. But, you know, all things government,

1655
01:26:18.680 --> 01:26:21.340
you've got to stay flexible, you know, because they're always

1656
01:26:21.380 --> 01:26:25.079
coming up with some new ideas here. And David Jenkins

1657
01:26:25.380 --> 01:26:31.539
challenged Rawlins. This is Rawlins' claim, which... claimed that the

1658
01:26:31.600 --> 01:26:35.829
roadless rule exacerbates wildfire risk, adding the truth is that

1659
01:26:35.890 --> 01:26:41.029
roadless forests are our greatest defense against wildfire. David Jenkins,

1660
01:26:41.069 --> 01:26:42.319
welcome to the show. Good to have you with us.

1661
01:26:42.970 --> 01:26:43.949
Yeah, thanks for having me.

1662
01:26:44.390 --> 01:26:46.569
Okay, so help us understand. What's going on here?

1663
01:26:48.170 --> 01:26:51.619
Well, the administration wants to roll back this 25-year-old roadless rule,

1664
01:26:52.359 --> 01:26:55.579
which protects about 30% of our national forest.

1665
01:26:56.640 --> 01:26:56.960
And, you know.

1666
01:26:58.289 --> 01:27:01.989
We look at it from a fiscal standpoint, too, whereas

1667
01:27:02.010 --> 01:27:04.970
we have 383,000 miles of forest roads that we can't

1668
01:27:05.470 --> 01:27:10.180
currently take care of. So when we're $ 40 trillion in debt,

1669
01:27:10.220 --> 01:27:12.619
we're wondering, well, why would we want to subsidize more

1670
01:27:12.640 --> 01:27:15.819
new forest roads when we can't take care of the

1671
01:27:15.899 --> 01:27:19.659
ones we have? But on your point about wildfires, yeah,

1672
01:27:19.779 --> 01:27:24.550
these roadless areas, some of these contain trees that are

1673
01:27:25.289 --> 01:27:28.050
many hundreds of thousands of years old. There are trees

1674
01:27:28.109 --> 01:27:31.220
in these roadless areas that were alive at the.

1675
01:27:31.180 --> 01:27:32.039
Time of Christ.

1676
01:27:33.460 --> 01:27:37.880
And so if they've lasted that long, they're probably pretty

1677
01:27:37.899 --> 01:27:41.500
fire resistant, I would say. But a lot of these old,

1678
01:27:41.960 --> 01:27:44.460
when you have these big old trees, the understory is

1679
01:27:44.560 --> 01:27:47.060
moist because you see the pictures of the forest.

1680
01:27:46.840 --> 01:27:48.890
With the moss hanging and all that stuff.

1681
01:27:49.600 --> 01:27:52.109
And so they're really dense and the forest floor is

1682
01:27:52.149 --> 01:27:56.319
very moist. And so that's a big defense against wildfires.

1683
01:27:56.800 --> 01:27:58.739
But when you start clearing that out and you have

1684
01:27:58.779 --> 01:28:01.560
more sunlight coming into that forest floor and drying things out,

1685
01:28:02.119 --> 01:28:05.020
that's when you make forests more susceptible to fires. So

1686
01:28:05.460 --> 01:28:11.149
the other thing is, it's kind of interesting, is that

1687
01:28:11.149 --> 01:28:15.250
90% of our wildfires occur within half a mile of

1688
01:28:15.289 --> 01:28:15.729
a road.

1689
01:28:17.329 --> 01:28:17.770
Interesting.

1690
01:28:18.210 --> 01:28:21.170
So if you've got 90% of your wildfires taking place

1691
01:28:21.189 --> 01:28:25.199
within a half mile of the road, So does it

1692
01:28:25.239 --> 01:28:28.720
really make sense to put roads in areas that don't

1693
01:28:28.739 --> 01:28:33.189
have roads so that there's that easier access? And 88%

1694
01:28:33.189 --> 01:28:38.090
of these wildfires are caused by people. So essentially, you know,

1695
01:28:38.970 --> 01:28:42.880
this rollback approach is kind of like the easier access

1696
01:28:42.899 --> 01:28:47.479
for firebugs strategy for dealing with our forest.

1697
01:28:48.140 --> 01:28:50.119
Is it, David.

1698
01:28:50.180 --> 01:28:53.239
Is a little bit of, you know, correct observation, wrong

1699
01:28:53.279 --> 01:28:56.109
conclusion kind of thing? I mean, because You know, you

1700
01:28:56.140 --> 01:29:01.800
get people, especially I'm from California, and they just cannot

1701
01:29:01.960 --> 01:29:07.180
seem to manage their forest situation. It's a constant refrain

1702
01:29:07.220 --> 01:29:10.039
there where, you know, it's either floods or wildfires that

1703
01:29:10.060 --> 01:29:15.279
are going on in California. And some people have surmised

1704
01:29:15.340 --> 01:29:20.430
that it's a mismanagement issue. But you're bringing to bear

1705
01:29:20.489 --> 01:29:25.680
here something I think that hasn't been brought— And that

1706
01:29:25.760 --> 01:29:29.500
is that, you know, roads are not necessarily the answer

1707
01:29:30.119 --> 01:29:32.420
because of just the two points that you just made.

1708
01:29:33.260 --> 01:29:37.579
And if we're adding roads that are putting the trees

1709
01:29:37.859 --> 01:29:40.760
at risk, because as you say, and that makes common

1710
01:29:40.779 --> 01:29:44.149
sense to me, is that the roads are going to

1711
01:29:44.970 --> 01:29:49.550
interfere with the natural moisture of the ground, which is

1712
01:29:49.609 --> 01:29:52.449
going to make those trees more vulnerable, if I'm hearing

1713
01:29:52.470 --> 01:29:53.810
you correctly. Is that fair to say?

1714
01:29:54.529 --> 01:30:00.710
Yeah, and anyone who believes God created our natural world,

1715
01:30:00.729 --> 01:30:04.409
I imagine we need to sort of respect his design.

1716
01:30:04.899 --> 01:30:05.439
I think so.

1717
01:30:06.060 --> 01:30:09.300
And if you look at where wildfires occur, especially where

1718
01:30:09.319 --> 01:30:12.420
you're at in California, look at the Los Angeles area

1719
01:30:12.460 --> 01:30:16.119
where you have scrub brush all around, and you have

1720
01:30:16.140 --> 01:30:19.479
these huge wildfires with the scrub brush. Those are not

1721
01:30:19.520 --> 01:30:24.039
big thousand-year-old trees that are coming down, and they threaten...

1722
01:30:24.510 --> 01:30:28.630
more urban areas and actually homes and things like that.

1723
01:30:30.010 --> 01:30:33.939
Yeah, fire bugs have been more involved with that situation,

1724
01:30:33.979 --> 01:30:36.539
although you could argue that maybe we need to do

1725
01:30:36.600 --> 01:30:38.079
something with the scrub brush, right?

1726
01:30:39.020 --> 01:30:43.760
Yeah, and whether it's intentional fire bugs or whether it's

1727
01:30:43.819 --> 01:30:50.829
careless campers or whatever, you know, these roadless areas, I do.

1728
01:30:50.750 --> 01:30:51.510
A lot in outdoors.

1729
01:30:51.590 --> 01:30:54.399
I actually go up to Alaska and photograph bears most

1730
01:30:54.420 --> 01:30:59.420
of the summer. People who are willing to put forth

1731
01:30:59.479 --> 01:31:03.800
an effort to get into a place and do the work,

1732
01:31:04.819 --> 01:31:08.229
usually they're more careful. It's the people who are too

1733
01:31:08.270 --> 01:31:11.409
lazy to do that work and just want easy access

1734
01:31:11.430 --> 01:31:16.170
to everything that tend to be more careless. Again, I

1735
01:31:16.189 --> 01:31:19.979
would argue that The roadless rule has worked great. We're

1736
01:31:20.010 --> 01:31:21.710
not talking about locking up all of our forests. We're

1737
01:31:21.850 --> 01:31:26.590
talking about 30% of our oldest and best and most

1738
01:31:26.649 --> 01:31:30.270
fire resistant. And they filter the air, they filter the water.

1739
01:31:30.329 --> 01:31:31.750
They do a lot of good for us that don't

1740
01:31:32.369 --> 01:31:35.520
cost us taxpayers any money. But if we start putting

1741
01:31:35.560 --> 01:31:38.340
roads in there that are subsidized by us so that

1742
01:31:38.939 --> 01:31:44.100
logging companies can do low cost timber sales that we're subsidizing.

1743
01:31:44.520 --> 01:31:45.520
And most of that, a.

1744
01:31:45.520 --> 01:31:49.310
Lot of that timber is going to China Right, exactly.

1745
01:31:51.229 --> 01:31:52.489
So it just doesn't make sense to me.

1746
01:31:53.380 --> 01:31:57.260
Well, you know, you're bringing up a good point. David Jenkins,

1747
01:31:57.300 --> 01:32:02.079
by the way, is a conservative for Responsible Stewardship President, CRS.

1748
01:32:02.920 --> 01:32:06.279
And of course, he is bringing to light what Agricultural

1749
01:32:06.319 --> 01:32:10.229
Secretary Brooke Rollins announced, that the U.S. Forest Service has

1750
01:32:10.270 --> 01:32:13.449
filed a proposed rule, thank God it's just proposed, to

1751
01:32:13.510 --> 01:32:18.439
rescind in its entirety the the national 2001 roadless area

1752
01:32:18.760 --> 01:32:21.500
conservation rule. And he's saying, whoa, hit the brakes here.

1753
01:32:21.920 --> 01:32:23.859
I mean, I think there needs to be more study

1754
01:32:23.960 --> 01:32:26.819
on this and you're bringing up some excellent points here

1755
01:32:26.880 --> 01:32:29.539
and you're thinking, well, how could the secretary miss this?

1756
01:32:30.920 --> 01:32:32.659
Well, yeah, I think one of the things that's at

1757
01:32:32.680 --> 01:32:34.960
work and we've seen this, you know, it doesn't matter

1758
01:32:35.439 --> 01:32:37.939
what administration is in charge or anything like, as we

1759
01:32:37.960 --> 01:32:42.939
see it a lot, you get some logging interest lobbyists

1760
01:32:43.359 --> 01:32:46.579
that come and, they present their case and they try

1761
01:32:46.600 --> 01:32:51.640
to make a convincing argument and the administration has made

1762
01:32:51.680 --> 01:32:55.319
no bones about trying to maximize profit on our public lands,

1763
01:32:55.479 --> 01:32:59.920
whether it's oil drilling or timber or whatever, mining. So

1764
01:33:00.899 --> 01:33:02.770
a lot of times they hear one side of the

1765
01:33:02.810 --> 01:33:07.090
story and the timber companies are not coming and giving

1766
01:33:07.109 --> 01:33:11.189
them the whole picture. And so hopefully the public, and

1767
01:33:11.229 --> 01:33:15.649
especially people who are fiscal conservatives that realize that we

1768
01:33:15.689 --> 01:33:17.949
don't need to be digging a hole bigger for our

1769
01:33:17.949 --> 01:33:22.550
$ 40 trillion in debt by subsidizing our logging roads. People

1770
01:33:22.569 --> 01:33:27.189
will step up and complain about this. There's a comment

1771
01:33:27.229 --> 01:33:30.739
period going on now that will last through, I think,

1772
01:33:30.760 --> 01:33:33.479
the first week in October where the public can comment

1773
01:33:33.539 --> 01:33:37.239
on this. And I'm hoping we can change people's minds

1774
01:33:37.340 --> 01:33:37.960
and stop this.

1775
01:33:38.560 --> 01:33:41.279
Well, they need to be educated because nobody's hearing about this, David.

1776
01:33:41.319 --> 01:33:44.369
So thank you for coming on. You know, do the

1777
01:33:44.409 --> 01:33:48.069
math here. As you said, the agency doesn't even have

1778
01:33:48.090 --> 01:33:50.590
the budget to take care of the 368,000 miles of

1779
01:33:50.630 --> 01:33:54.869
roads already riddling our national force. In fact, currently there's

1780
01:33:54.890 --> 01:34:03.260
a $ 10. 8 billion maintenance backlog. So again, you know, you

1781
01:34:03.340 --> 01:34:05.710
need to consider the math here, as you put it,

1782
01:34:06.260 --> 01:34:09.199
and to say, well, Is there something better that we

1783
01:34:09.239 --> 01:34:12.300
can do as opposed to, you know, obviously the logging

1784
01:34:12.340 --> 01:34:17.180
industry has a specific interest and you can, you know,

1785
01:34:17.220 --> 01:34:23.220
appreciate their perspective. However, you know, people such as yourself,

1786
01:34:24.060 --> 01:34:27.369
it's important that your voice be heard to bring this

1787
01:34:27.550 --> 01:34:30.289
into the discussion and not have it be so one-sided.

1788
01:34:30.710 --> 01:34:32.770
I got to tell you, I'm really surprised with the

1789
01:34:32.869 --> 01:34:36.630
Agriculture Secretary because this seems to be a very one-sided

1790
01:34:36.689 --> 01:34:37.949
approach to this problem.

1791
01:34:39.470 --> 01:34:42.869
Well, yeah, you know, um, we're not talking about, you know,

1792
01:34:43.670 --> 01:34:46.479
logger logging companies that don't have access to forest land.

1793
01:34:46.520 --> 01:34:46.840
They do.

1794
01:34:47.520 --> 01:34:50.760
And one of the problems with the logging industry, timber

1795
01:34:50.779 --> 01:34:55.699
industry in general, um, is that logging in wild areas,

1796
01:34:56.560 --> 01:34:59.279
it's more expensive, you know, it has to be subsidized

1797
01:34:59.319 --> 01:35:01.430
by taxpayers to build the roads in these, in these

1798
01:35:01.470 --> 01:35:05.279
public areas and so forth. Um, And it's competing against

1799
01:35:05.439 --> 01:35:09.000
farm-raised trees. So, you know, these people have these huge

1800
01:35:09.060 --> 01:35:13.640
tree farms and they grow and, you know, supply the

1801
01:35:13.680 --> 01:35:17.520
pulp industry and paper and all that stuff. And so

1802
01:35:17.539 --> 01:35:19.199
they're competing with that kind of stuff. And they're competing

1803
01:35:19.239 --> 01:35:21.630
with people that are cutting down trees all.

1804
01:35:21.550 --> 01:35:22.109
Over the world.

1805
01:35:23.149 --> 01:35:28.029
And so, you know, we want to support our industries

1806
01:35:28.090 --> 01:35:30.569
and we want people to make use of the land

1807
01:35:31.130 --> 01:35:35.710
and that kind of thing. but we're talking 30% of

1808
01:35:35.729 --> 01:35:41.350
the places that remain untouched. And those places have intrinsic

1809
01:35:41.390 --> 01:35:44.640
value to me as someone who values nature and hikes

1810
01:35:44.699 --> 01:35:50.800
and fishes and photographs bears and everything like that. So,

1811
01:35:51.739 --> 01:35:54.319
you know, it's a quality of life issue too. We

1812
01:35:54.359 --> 01:35:57.689
want those places to exist. We don't want to like, like,

1813
01:35:57.729 --> 01:36:00.729
you know, in the turn of the century, West Virginia doesn't,

1814
01:36:01.159 --> 01:36:04.579
hardly had a tree because people just went crazy and

1815
01:36:04.619 --> 01:36:08.920
logged the whole thing. I don't think we want a

1816
01:36:08.960 --> 01:36:12.020
vast wasteland because we're shipping all of our wood over

1817
01:36:12.039 --> 01:36:12.500
to China.

1818
01:36:14.760 --> 01:36:16.380
How much of our wood is going to China, David?

1819
01:36:17.779 --> 01:36:23.329
I can't remember the board feet, but it had lulled

1820
01:36:23.369 --> 01:36:27.210
a little bit because of some tariff and trade issues

1821
01:36:27.289 --> 01:36:30.779
last year, but this year China is on track to

1822
01:36:30.840 --> 01:36:35.800
be the number one export destination of forest products from

1823
01:36:35.819 --> 01:36:36.600
the United States.

1824
01:36:37.520 --> 01:36:39.579
Well, we got a minute left here, David, so I

1825
01:36:39.579 --> 01:36:41.939
want you to wrap it up. Summarize the issue and

1826
01:36:42.239 --> 01:36:45.239
what we can do to make sure that our voice

1827
01:36:45.310 --> 01:36:49.909
is heard during this time where we can comment on

1828
01:36:49.949 --> 01:36:53.109
this proposal from Agricultural Secretary Brooke Rollins.

1829
01:36:54.109 --> 01:36:58.050
Yeah, going to our website's a good place to start, conservativestewards.org,

1830
01:36:58.109 --> 01:37:01.449
and we have an action item on there that allows

1831
01:37:01.510 --> 01:37:07.949
you to comment to Secretary Rollins. And it's a pre-written letter,

1832
01:37:08.010 --> 01:37:10.590
which for people who don't have the time, they can

1833
01:37:10.770 --> 01:37:12.569
send it in. But if you have the time, it's

1834
01:37:12.590 --> 01:37:15.930
better to personalize it and make it your own. And

1835
01:37:16.399 --> 01:37:18.720
make sure they know you're a conservative that cares about this.

1836
01:37:18.760 --> 01:37:22.500
And it's a fiscal conservative issue, and it's a respecting

1837
01:37:22.539 --> 01:37:24.819
God's creation issue, and it's Those kind of things that

1838
01:37:24.840 --> 01:37:28.180
we need to consider here, not just whatever pitch the

1839
01:37:28.199 --> 01:37:31.100
logging companies are giving them right now, because us taxpayers,

1840
01:37:31.279 --> 01:37:33.579
we don't need to subsidize that when we're $ 40 trillion

1841
01:37:33.640 --> 01:37:33.939
in debt.

1842
01:37:34.460 --> 01:37:34.760
Amen.

1843
01:37:35.380 --> 01:37:38.909
President David Jenkins, he is the president for Conservatives for

1844
01:37:38.970 --> 01:37:42.170
Responsible Stewardship. Again, the website they can go to, David,

1845
01:37:42.189 --> 01:37:42.989
for more information.

1846
01:37:44.670 --> 01:37:46.989
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Hey, welcome back. I'm Bill Martinez. He's Dr. Ted Behr

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from movieguide.org. How are we doing at movieguide.org today?

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I'm doing well. I'm sort of disguising myself behind the sunlight.

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Well, I thought maybe.

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It was just your angelic glow.

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It is.

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It's a halo that I carry everywhere.

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God has anointed. If all of a sudden that bright

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sunshine ray takes you up out of your chair, I'm

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going to say, wait for me, okay?

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Now, I've got this thing in my pocket because I've

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got to go to a screening of a new Netflix

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animated movie tonight. So anyway, how can I help you today?

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Wonderful person.

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Well, we have a couple of things to talk about. Like,

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first of all, Coyote versus Acme.

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Right. And we reviewed it a while ago, but I

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looked at it. You know, I don't look at every movie.

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We've got a team of great reviewers. And today I

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was just impressed that one of the reviewers that was

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on our prayer meeting who had done the review for

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Forgotten Island and.

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It was excellent.

1939
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But Coyote, I thought, had some really heartfelt material and

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I thought it was much more, much better made. That

1941
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may be because I'm 80 years old. And I remember

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the Coyote and Roadrunner.

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You and me both. You and me both. I mean,

1944
01:43:10.119 --> 01:43:13.119
this brings back so many memories, you know, Wiley Coyote

1945
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and all that. And of course, Acme as well.

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You know.

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Yeah.

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And it's fun.

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You know, what the story I gave last time is

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that the Acme products never work. They blow up in

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his face. They cause him to, you know, fall off

1952
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the mountain. They do all sorts of strange things. They're not,

1953
01:43:32.640 --> 01:43:36.170
they're not made well. So he decides to get a,

1954
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two-bit lawyer to sue them. And the lawyer is really good.

1955
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And Coyote is worth.

1956
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More, more like four bits as opposed to two bits,

1957
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but yeah.

1958
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And it's, and he's been doing this and he always

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recommends just take on one product and I'll get you $ 50.

1960
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And then he says, you know, his secretary who's concerned

1961
01:43:57.239 --> 01:44:00.869
about Acme says, sues all the projects or somebody else

1962
01:44:00.949 --> 01:44:04.310
in the office sues every single project so it's millions

1963
01:44:04.350 --> 01:44:07.109
of dollars suit and he finds out that their lawyer

1964
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is the same guy he went to law school with

1965
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who is the big man on campus so there's a

1966
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lot of things going on but the reason i liked

1967
01:44:15.899 --> 01:44:18.399
it is they get to you know that point that

1968
01:44:18.979 --> 01:44:21.920
you reach the wall i teach filmmaking you got to

1969
01:44:21.979 --> 01:44:25.180
reach the wall Rocky can't make it. Nobody can make it.

1970
01:44:25.229 --> 01:44:28.329
Rocky goes into the bathroom. I'm giving you an illustration.

1971
01:44:28.750 --> 01:44:30.909
But when they reached the wall, they said, we need

1972
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a miracle. And actually, it is a miracle. And there's

1973
01:44:33.850 --> 01:44:37.710
a lot of positive transformation. And so I would have

1974
01:44:37.750 --> 01:44:40.699
given it four stars. So we changed it, thanks to

1975
01:44:40.760 --> 01:44:43.060
my interference in the process.

1976
01:44:43.260 --> 01:44:43.829
Well, I saw it.

1977
01:44:43.840 --> 01:44:45.560
Yeah, I was going to say, I saw four stars

1978
01:44:45.680 --> 01:44:46.340
on the website.

1979
01:44:47.000 --> 01:44:48.189
Yeah, we changed it.

1980
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Okay.

1981
01:44:48.979 --> 01:44:49.180
All right.

1982
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They actually listened to me for the first time in

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80 years.

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Miracles still happen.

1985
01:44:56.000 --> 01:44:56.260
Yeah.

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See, we needed a miracle. And, but actually the, the

1987
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reason they changed it is because Evie agreed with me.

1988
01:45:04.109 --> 01:45:04.470
Okay.

1989
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If there are two of us, we got it.

1990
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So that's it.

1991
01:45:07.710 --> 01:45:09.970
Well, exactly. Well, and I, I don't know, there's just

1992
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something about slapstick comedy and even cartoon comedy, right? Cause

1993
01:45:14.829 --> 01:45:15.869
it seems so harmless.

1994
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I know.

1995
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I understand there's a caution, but, Still, you know, as

1996
01:45:20.250 --> 01:45:23.930
kids growing up, we just thought it was kind of harmless.

1997
01:45:23.949 --> 01:45:26.960
The other side of this is that Acme has been

1998
01:45:27.079 --> 01:45:31.000
using cartoon characters to test its products so then they

1999
01:45:31.039 --> 01:45:32.479
could sell it to human beings.

2000
01:45:32.760 --> 01:45:33.739
Right, exactly.

2001
01:45:34.300 --> 01:45:40.770
And the congressional hearing is just hilarious and heart-rending.

2002
01:45:41.789 --> 01:45:43.609
There's a congressional hearing on this?

2003
01:45:44.239 --> 01:45:48.779
Yeah, a big congressional hearing, and something happens at the

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01:45:48.880 --> 01:45:54.340
end that will just make you happy and joyous and

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01:45:54.739 --> 01:45:58.140
bring tears to your eyes. So it's a great ending.

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01:45:58.699 --> 01:46:00.819
Okay, I'm looking forward to it.

2007
01:46:00.939 --> 01:46:04.640
Now listen, this is a cartoon. No, I get that.

2008
01:46:04.979 --> 01:46:08.279
So when you say it's a congressional hearing, in real life,

2009
01:46:08.520 --> 01:46:10.890
this would not be a congressional hearing. I'm a lawyer.

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01:46:10.899 --> 01:46:11.569
I've worked for the U.S.

2011
01:46:11.649 --> 01:46:14.529
Attorney's Office. This is not something that was going to

2012
01:46:14.569 --> 01:46:17.189
happen in real life. First place, I got to tell you, Bill,

2013
01:46:17.949 --> 01:46:22.449
the sewers are cartoon characters. They couldn't go to the

2014
01:46:22.470 --> 01:46:27.170
rational hearing. Because Congress is too stupid to listen to

2015
01:46:27.229 --> 01:46:28.630
cartoon characters.

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01:46:28.890 --> 01:46:30.529
I thought you were going to make some sort of

2017
01:46:30.869 --> 01:46:34.369
metaphoric equivalent of Congress and a cartoon.

2018
01:46:35.060 --> 01:46:38.180
I just did. I just said they're too stupid to

2019
01:46:38.239 --> 01:46:42.359
listen to a cartoon character. If they listen to more Coyotes,

2020
01:46:42.850 --> 01:46:46.590
and Roadrunner cartoons, they may be doing better in the world.

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01:46:47.050 --> 01:46:50.850
Well, that's what happens when you ignore the cumulative intelligence

2022
01:46:51.710 --> 01:46:55.220
of the population, Ted. All right, let's talk about Daniel

2023
01:46:55.279 --> 01:46:56.420
and the Fiery Furnace, huh?

2024
01:46:57.039 --> 01:47:00.939
Yeah, this is, again, it's very good. It's not great.

2025
01:47:02.520 --> 01:47:06.140
There's nice things about it. It's all scripture. And the

2026
01:47:06.199 --> 01:47:09.439
other thing is that these are all Middle Eastern people

2027
01:47:09.460 --> 01:47:11.899
playing the part. I think the Daniel part is played

2028
01:47:11.979 --> 01:47:16.270
by a Coptic Christian, just like David is in the

2029
01:47:16.289 --> 01:47:20.710
David series. And he does a really good job, but

2030
01:47:20.930 --> 01:47:23.609
some of it, the acting is not as good as,

2031
01:47:24.210 --> 01:47:28.710
you know, Brad Pitt or whoever else, or the dog

2032
01:47:28.770 --> 01:47:32.149
in the Brad Pitt movie. That dog is a really great,

2033
01:47:32.470 --> 01:47:35.640
but you know, and when all the acting's a little soft,

2034
01:47:35.689 --> 01:47:37.909
it's the director and we don't want to blame them

2035
01:47:38.020 --> 01:47:40.239
because they were trying to bring us a biblical story.

2036
01:47:41.079 --> 01:47:43.979
Just after seeing it, I saw The Prince of Egypt.

2037
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And I don't know whether you know, but I brought

2038
01:47:45.890 --> 01:47:48.909
the theologians in on Prince of Egypt. And I sent

2039
01:47:48.970 --> 01:47:51.850
Jeffrey Katzenberg. I said, this is a beautiful movie. I

2040
01:47:51.890 --> 01:47:54.250
showed it to three of my grandchildren.

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01:47:54.909 --> 01:47:55.689
They loved it.

2042
01:47:55.810 --> 01:47:57.149
It's a work of art.

2043
01:47:57.510 --> 01:48:00.829
And so he sent me three little prayer hands coming

2044
01:48:01.670 --> 01:48:04.760
back within a day. And he loves us. We love

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01:48:04.779 --> 01:48:05.140
each other.

2046
01:48:05.729 --> 01:48:05.869
Right.

2047
01:48:05.970 --> 01:48:08.550
Although he's a left wing commie rap. I used to

2048
01:48:08.590 --> 01:48:11.109
be one of those guys. So I understand them. So

2049
01:48:11.149 --> 01:48:14.380
he did it. But Daniel is not up to a

2050
01:48:14.460 --> 01:48:17.560
hundred million dollar budget that they put into Prince of Egypt.

2051
01:48:18.119 --> 01:48:22.189
And you have to understand that. and uh it actually

2052
01:48:22.770 --> 01:48:27.109
captures the essence of it um now if greta gerwig

2053
01:48:27.149 --> 01:48:29.949
was going to do i'm going off track here i'm

2054
01:48:29.989 --> 01:48:32.859
going to do daniel and the fiery furnace then when

2055
01:48:32.899 --> 01:48:37.960
they went into the fiery furnace they'd all burn and

2056
01:48:38.020 --> 01:48:39.979
it would have been and they would have been uh

2057
01:48:40.359 --> 01:48:45.500
Meryl Streep and um who else would Madonna yes yes

2058
01:48:46.220 --> 01:48:48.180
and somebody else and we would have been happy that

2059
01:48:48.199 --> 01:48:51.939
they burned up we it would have been a good highlight.

2060
01:48:52.510 --> 01:48:54.270
Yeah and then all the all the people there in

2061
01:48:54.310 --> 01:48:57.029
Hollywood all the commies in Hollywood they'd have been toasting

2062
01:48:57.210 --> 01:48:59.909
and uh you know thinking okay there's a victory for

2063
01:48:59.949 --> 01:49:01.119
them right But.

2064
01:49:01.520 --> 01:49:04.829
There's a lot. You know, I'd say the leftists in

2065
01:49:04.869 --> 01:49:08.810
Hollywood are much smaller than anybody in the church knows.

2066
01:49:08.869 --> 01:49:13.380
There's so many great, wonderful people of faith in Hollywood.

2067
01:49:13.920 --> 01:49:17.100
I'm seeing a man tomorrow who made 14 billion dollars

2068
01:49:17.159 --> 01:49:20.439
at the box office. His father was a preacher. His

2069
01:49:20.479 --> 01:49:23.960
grandfather was a preacher. He's just on fire for Jesus

2070
01:49:24.039 --> 01:49:28.119
all the time. I'm seeing next week the former head

2071
01:49:28.140 --> 01:49:31.659
of the biggest studios. He's on fire for Jesus.

2072
01:49:31.340 --> 01:49:31.960
All the time.

2073
01:49:32.659 --> 01:49:35.779
So there are lots of Christians in the entertainment industry.

2074
01:49:36.100 --> 01:49:41.079
Now the reason that everybody in the church gets bad information.

2075
01:49:41.460 --> 01:49:45.810
I got interviewed by Associated Press today. And you know

2076
01:49:45.859 --> 01:49:48.930
I did an interview on CBN on on the new

2077
01:49:48.989 --> 01:49:53.970
Narnia movie. And the media, the news media wants bad news.

2078
01:49:54.050 --> 01:49:55.989
I was head of a department at City University, head

2079
01:49:56.020 --> 01:49:58.520
of a department. You teach kids, if they're going to

2080
01:49:58.539 --> 01:50:02.760
make news, if it bleeds, it leads. You can't do

2081
01:50:03.220 --> 01:50:07.739
news that Bill is a nice guy and his wife

2082
01:50:07.819 --> 01:50:13.899
is wonderful. That's not news. News is saying, Lindsay Clancy

2083
01:50:13.939 --> 01:50:18.670
came to his house wearing a mask. News has to

2084
01:50:18.710 --> 01:50:23.170
be shocking and bad. So the news you hear for anything,

2085
01:50:24.329 --> 01:50:26.880
I wish I could teach people, and I'm glad we're

2086
01:50:26.899 --> 01:50:30.140
talking about this, to take it with a grain of salt,

2087
01:50:30.220 --> 01:50:33.640
to just say, this is not exactly, and the same

2088
01:50:33.680 --> 01:50:36.939
thing was going on in Jesus' time, you know, that

2089
01:50:37.020 --> 01:50:42.300
the Pharisees were misinterpreting who he was, They were accusing

2090
01:50:42.340 --> 01:50:45.539
him of doing the miracles by the power of the adversary.

2091
01:50:46.060 --> 01:50:48.659
He said, if you blaspheme the Holy Spirit, which is

2092
01:50:48.720 --> 01:50:51.100
what they were doing, you're in danger of hell. But

2093
01:50:51.140 --> 01:50:54.020
they were misreporting. They were bad reporters.

2094
01:50:54.260 --> 01:50:55.479
Yeah, they were fake.

2095
01:50:55.520 --> 01:50:56.800
That was the original fake news.

2096
01:50:57.439 --> 01:50:57.739
Yes.

2097
01:50:58.199 --> 01:50:58.300
Right.

2098
01:50:58.319 --> 01:51:01.060
And that went on for centuries. And if you read,

2099
01:51:01.199 --> 01:51:05.470
you know, I've read all the great Plutarch and all

2100
01:51:05.520 --> 01:51:09.970
these people, and they always hype the bad.

2101
01:51:10.649 --> 01:51:10.789
Yeah.

2102
01:51:10.810 --> 01:51:14.130
I mean, that's what you do. Soutanious Tom Holland, who

2103
01:51:14.170 --> 01:51:16.979
does the rest is history, not the actor. You know,

2104
01:51:17.029 --> 01:51:21.159
he just translated Soutanious makes. I mean, he says things

2105
01:51:21.239 --> 01:51:24.199
that I don't think could have happened, but you always

2106
01:51:24.260 --> 01:51:27.159
have to emphasize the bad. That's what the news does.

2107
01:51:27.760 --> 01:51:30.590
That's why discernment is so key, especially in this information

2108
01:51:30.659 --> 01:51:33.189
age in which we live in today, Ted, as you know. Well,

2109
01:51:33.229 --> 01:51:35.250
we got to leave it there. So, Dr. Ted Bear

2110
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from Movie Guide, the website that has all the information

2111
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they need. Ted, what is it?

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get there, and it'll change your life for the good,

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