The Bill Martinez Show 09 28 26

0:00 Are you ready? Yeah. Okay, let's do it. Bill Martinez Live, a program about current events, our culture, our values, our politics, and our future. And now, Bill Martinez. Hey, welcome back. Good morning. Six minutes after the top of the hour right now. I'm Bill Martinez. He's Dr. Lawrence Reed, a new book to talk about, Born of Ideas, How Principles, Faith, and Courage Forged America. Dr. Reed, good to have you with us. How are you, sir? Hey, just terrific, Bill. Thanks for having me. Well, the book is perfect timing. I mean, 250th anniversary in the midst of this, you know, the rise of the Democratic Socialists, huh?

0:42 Yeah. And the American founding is such an extraordinary story. It needs to be told and retold over and over again. So in one sense, it's always timely. Yeah. Well, exactly. And of course, in much the same manner, when you look at the Old Testament, God told the Jews, the fathers of the faith, to keep talking about this, to keep reminding their children as they were walking and talking and waking up and sitting down and around the dinner table and that sort of thing. And I think we have lost a little bit of that, I don't know, that credo because of the culture, the busyness of it and everything. And we're paying a price for it, are we not?

1:23 Oh, we sure are. I mean, I think if our founders could come back and take a quick glimpse of what we're doing today, they'd be horrified to see things like a $ 40 trillion national debt or government just all over our lives. They would say, hey, somewhere along the way, you must have stopped reading what we gave you. Yeah, what happened to the idea of federalism, right? Yeah, yeah, that's right. I mean, all these things, you know, people have been saying for a number of years, and I would say most recently, that every three-letter institution of our government has some form of corruption and grave fraud and inefficiency, to say the least. And that's why we're at $ 40 trillion and counting.

2:07 Yeah, and it's one of the reasons I wrote the book, because I wanted to encourage Americans to pick up something they could read in a couple of evenings. that was easily accessible and that would remind them of the ideas and the people that made this country so exceptional. Well, and in some circles, it's difficult to talk about this because people are just closed-minded. You know, they're so fixed and ideologically fixed on something that wants to disassemble anything that has to do with America, right? Yeah, that's right. I'm hoping the book will be kind of an antidote to that. But yeah, a lot of people are dug in on the wrong side and have been duped into thinking that America is just a bad and sinful place that never really did much for the world.

2:57 Nothing could be further from the truth. Yeah, I mean, I don't know how they get there because the history is quite clear. I mean, people are always quick, and this kind of bothers me a little bit, is that everybody's really quick to say, well, America's not perfect. Yeah, we understand that. We didn't get it all right. But the deal is it didn't stop us from trying to, whether it was slavery or any other thing that has happened in this country. We have tried to redeem and do the right things. And, you know, and some of it is just our own humanity getting in the way. The fact that, you know, nobody's perfect on this plane, are they? No. And you briefly touched on slavery. I'd like to point out in the book does this, I think, very thoroughly.

3:42 that we are not exceptional in America because we had slavery. It was everywhere and had been for since 3500 BC. We are exceptional because of the lengths to which we went to get rid of it. Well, and the other thing, too, is when they present slavery, they don't give you the full context as who enslaved the slaves to begin with. It was other blacks that did this, right? Yeah, typically you would never have almost never. had occasions where slavers would dock their ships in Africa and then invade the interior of Africa to capture people. No, they made arrangements with local blacks who made war on other black tribes, kidnapped those people and brought them to dockside and then sold them to the white slavers. That was...

4:36 And every African country had slavery. Slavery of Africans by Africans within Africa goes back many, many centuries. And that model, as you say, does go back centuries, whether it was black or whites. And that is if you got conquered, you became enslaved. I mean, we read about it in the Bible. I mean, there were, you know, nations would would lose the war and they'd be enslaved or just outright eliminated. Yep. It's an ancient evil. And I think we should give our founders proper credit because although they didn't and couldn't go the full distance, they had to compromise for the sake of unity at the time. They took us and not just America, but the world further down to the path of liberty for all than any other generation in the history of the world.

5:26 Right. And of course, we saw what happened in England with William Wilberforce, who died to that end. It was quite interesting that England didn't necessarily go to war, but we did. And we invested, what, over 600,000 lives. And most of those, last time I checked, most of those were white, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's true. And, of course, not every soldier in that war fought either for slavery or against slavery. They had other things on their mind. But nonetheless, we paid the full measure. for the sin of slavery. And one of the first and most positive developments of the Civil War is that we formally brought it to an end, made it illegal.

6:08 Right. Yeah, exactly. Which was an incredible accomplishment paid with the blood of America's citizens to free all. And here we have been battling this for almost 100 years. And now with the Supreme Court, their decision saying, you know, we've kind of run that course. Yeah. Right. You know that most people wouldn't know this, but the first country to abolish slavery in world history did it in 1804, and it was Haiti in the Caribbean. But by 1804, there were eight American states that had already abolished it within their jurisdictions or set it on a path for extinction within a few years. So we were really on the cutting edge of an abolition movement in the 1770s and 80s.

7:02 Well, and it almost, from the very start, when the framers said that we were all born equal. Yes. You know, we had God-given rights. So that really stuck out for, I believe, many people. I mean, you know, after you signed the document and you're going, okay, we got a serious problem here. How are we going to resolve this slavery issue? Because we're being hypocritical. Yeah, the Declaration, by using those incredible words, that all men are created equal, really set the stage for slavery's ultimate extinction. It was the document that Abraham Lincoln and that other abolitionists referred to throughout the 19th century saying, hey, it's in our founding documents. Credo, we are a free country.

7:50 We haven't yet quite achieved that. We've got to live up to our own ideals and take it further. So we can thank the framers and the writers of the Declaration for giving us the spirit and the ideal that it took a little more time to finally accomplish. What a great country, you know, you think about. You think about our founding and all this, you know, the Declaration of Independence, our Constitution. you know, no doubt, aspirational, kind of a mission statement, like any other organization says, hey, this is what we're about, this is what we're heading for. It doesn't mean that you've accomplished it, but it sets the goal, doesn't it? Yeah, yeah, it sure does. And another little tidbit on the history of slavery, by the way, is, you know, the last country in Africa to formally abolish slavery by law didn't do it until 1981, within our lifetimes. Mauritania was the last African country to abolish slavery, barely 45 years ago.

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14:10 And I love that because to me, I got to tell you, Larry, liberty is our highest God-given calling. I mean, this is why Jesus came is so that we would be free indeed. And I think that sometimes, especially as young kids, really, you know, they may have freedom on their shirt, you know, because of Charlie Kirk and understand, but I don't know that they really value what freedom actually means. Do you? Well, in many cases, I think they don't fully understand or appreciate it. To me, I think liberty, or let me put it this way, life without liberty is unthinkable, just unthinkable. We are made to be free. God didn't create a fleet of robots. We're not identical one person to another. And so to be who we really are, each of us as individuals, we have to have freedom to make our choices, live our lives. If you don't have that, then you're not living your own life. Somebody else, some dictator is living his life through you.

15:10 Right. Well, and what happens, which we know historically, is you have a dictator who has ways to make you live according to their tenets. And our founding fathers realized that this was going to be a heavy lift if you had to have that kind of pressure, you know, at that time, certainly not like today, 350 million people. I mean, who wants that job, right? Yeah, yeah. The founders knew that this would be a virtually unprecedented venture that they were undertaking. They did look back to the early Roman Republic and its liberties as an example, but they also knew full well that that too was an exception in history, that periods of freedom are rather rare, that most people who have ever lived have lived under some form of serfdom or slavery or simply in fear of the powers that be.

16:05 Right. Do you think our founding fathers had a grasp of what this would mean in terms of this idea of liberty and the power that it would unleash in the masses of its citizens? They were optimists in so many ways. They felt that human potential for centuries had been limited by crushing despotism. that humans were capable of going so much further than they have ever been allowed to go by tyrannical governments. And once they would be unleashed, of course, the founders were concerned, too, that we have vices that we have to fight all the time, too. So that's why they thought what they were doing was really only fit for a virtuous people. But they also believe very strongly that if free people of good character can go about their business, they will do remarkable things that no one can predict in advance. And were they ever right?

17:04 Well, yeah, look at the history, 250 years, you know, the things that we got right. If we could just focus on that, I mean, get away from, you know, the narrative that the mainstream media would want us to believe and these anti-Americans that want us to believe. It's just for a moment, give me a moment, can you? And just tell me about the good things that made America the superpower, that made America that light on a shining hill, that has drawn, you know, immigrants to this country, that they say that, you know, if we really left the borders open, you know, we'd have such a flood of millions of immigrants coming in because of, you know, what liberty and what our Constitution and what this country represents in terms of the potential, right?

17:51 Yeah, in most other cases in world history, when countries build walls, it's to keep people in, to keep them from escaping. That's not our problem. No, not at all. But, you know, again, by the same token, you know, we need to be responsible stewards of this great American idea, right? Yeah. Oh, yeah. Ben Franklin warned us of that on more than one occasion, but maybe most famously as he was leaving the Constitutional Convention. in 1787, a woman approached him and said, Mr. Franklin, what form of government have you given us? And his famous reply was, a republic, madam, if you can keep it. In other words, we put some great words on paper, but if you don't pay attention to them, if you don't stand guard against all assaults on them, if you're not a courageous and people of solid character, you're going to lose it. He was exactly right.

18:48 Well, and of course, then Over 100 years later, you got Ronald Reagan reminding us that we're but one generation away from losing these precious freedoms, are we not? Yeah, yeah, absolutely. And don't we miss him? He was a man who loved this country, understood its ideals, saw the threats to them for what they were, both within and from without. And we owe him a debt of gratitude that we can never repay. Larry, how do we get this country back on track, back on its, I mean, we've been saying for a long time on this show is that we need to return to first principles, these principles that you write about, these solid foundational principles. We're certainly off the rails here, you know, in much the same way that God has given us freedom, but there's also boundaries, you know, within those freedom. And I believe the same thing with our country, that somehow we found a way to gray up the lines and make it not so black and white, so to speak.

19:46 Yeah. You know, I often get asked, Bill, from audiences, no matter what my topic may be, what do you think the most important issue in the country is? And they expect me to say, oh, it's the national debt or it's taxes, size of government, or it's opioids or Iran or fill in the blank, all of which are important issues. But I like to say, no, the number one issue here, now, everywhere, and in all of time. It's always the same. In a single word, it's character. No country has ever lost its character and kept its liberties. No country can rise to become a truly great one and leave the world a better place if it isn't made up of people of solid character, who value truth, who are honest as the day is long, who are patient, who have a sense of gratitude for the good things that come their way, who also are humble and don't think that they have the mental capacity to plan economies and run other people's lives, and that are responsible. Responsibility is very much a part of strong character that a free society needs. Can you imagine living in an irresponsible society? That would be everybody pointing the finger of blame at everybody else, even for their own mistakes.

21:07 We're kind of getting a little taste of that right now when you've got people who should be in jail are somehow being, you know, portrayed as their victims, you know, and the system has worked against it. No, they killed somebody. I'm sorry. But this is the upside down world that we were warned about in the Old Testament that there would be that day when, you know, good would be called evil, evil would be called good. And every day it's more and more. And I'm just saying, God, how much more can we deal with this? Because what you're talking about in terms of character, these are these virtues that, you know, part of the virtue class that Benjamin Franklin, you know, and he drove people nuts because every week he would say, OK, I'm going to work on this virtue. Right.

21:51 And we would go a long way in embracing that idea and trying to incorporate that in our weekly lives. Yeah, and that's my major point that I emphasize even in the new book, that if you want to reform the world, or let's say just the country, you cannot sit back and say, well, that's somebody else's duty or everybody else needs to change what they're doing. The first thing you need to do if you want to fix or reform the country is to fix yourself. Amen. That's it. Yeah. We have to be strong examples, models for other people of character. And you'll be amazed at the doors of influence that that will open. And people, I think, generally speaking, learn more from example than they do from a textbook. If they see that you are a person who walks the talk, who means what he says, says what he means, is a pillar of honesty, integrity, and character, Well, then you'll be amazed at the influence you can have for the better. So I would say work on yourself first and foremost. Work on those over whom you have greatest influence, like your children and your relatives and family. And then you'll be amazed at the doors of influence that that will open. And don't forget this, too.

23:12 Stop electing people of lousy character. Exactly. Yes, that's what happens. People get the politicians that they so choose. So, again, it all begins and ends with the man and woman in the mirror, Larry Reed, and correctly said. Congratulations on the book. This is one that, like you said, I think is going to create some very positive conversations. It might be a good book to hand out to everybody this Thanksgiving dinner. What do you think? Oh, well, I'm a little biased, but I would say yes. Yeah, of course. Well, it's born of ideas, how principles, faith, courage forged America. Thank you, Dr. Lawrence Reed. Appreciate you.

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28:14 John, how you doing? Hey, Bill. Good. How are you? Hey, I'm doing okay. I just more and more of the stuff that comes out, John, with the DSA and Talafrico down there in Texas. I mean, all this stuff is rather dangerous, and people of faith have really got to take a stand once and for all. I mean, they should follow the lead of the Muslims. I mean, they march lockstep, they vote lockstep, and look what they've done. I mean, they're changing our country and changing countries around the world. And here we were, you know, the force 250 years ago for Western democracy, and I guess we're just sitting on our laurels here. What the heck's going on? Well, um.

28:54 One big problem is establishment Republicans who would rather see the Democrats win than see populist conservatives like Donald Trump or Ken Paxton, who's our Senate candidate here in Texas. They'd rather the Democrats win. They want to retain control over the Republican Party, and they don't care if the party loses. I think people like John Thune would rather be in the minority so that they can just send out fundraising letters, and yell about what the Democrats are threatening to do, and cast symbolic votes against it, but not actually have to govern. We've seen in the last two years, we control all three levers, branches of government, and we haven't been able to get the SAVE Act passed.

29:38 We haven't been able to do anything. So many things, Donald Trump has been stopped by federal judges, and I blame Trump for deferring to the judges. He should have defied the federal judges who were overturning his perfectly lawful orders on issues like immigration and election security. That, I think, If Trump's presidency goes down as a failure, it will be because he allowed unelected judges behaving lawlessly to distort the law and cripple his constitutional executive authority. But of course, the Republicans in the Senate didn't help. They're deferring to the Senate parliamentarian, a far-left Democrat, to rip important things out of budget deals. effectively we're letting an appointed person, the parliamentarian, nobody voted for her, overrule the will of the voters. Here in Texas, Karl Rove, George Bush's puppet master, has endorsed a left-wing Democrat for one of the most important jobs in the state, railroad commissioner. Now that sounds like maybe dog catcher, George P. Bush, when he ran for the role, referred to it as running for dog catchers.

30:57 But in fact, it's the third most powerful office in the state because it controls the energy infrastructure, and Texas is an energy-producing state. It's a major, major role that prepares you for higher office. Well, Karl Rove, allegedly the architect of a Republican majority, remember he wrote a book on that, He endorsed John Rosenthal, a left-wing Democrat who favors transgender surgery for kids, sex education in the schools, voted to remove the Ten Commandments from Texas classrooms, far-left pro-abortion. Karl Rove endorsed him. Why?

31:38 Because Beau French, the Republican running for railroad commissioner, did a post on Twitter showing that the crowd at the University of Texas... of football fans that they all appeared to be Indian or Pakistani. And Beaufrant said, well, why are we replacing our entire population with. Foreigners, with newcomers? You're not allowed. You're not allowed to criticize immigration. Remember Karl Rove in the 90s, way back in the 90s, used the Republican Party's money to sabotage conservative candidates in primaries to try to purge the party of people like Pat Buchanan. Trump is now voting for endorsing this left-wing Democrat, helping him to get to higher office because Beau French said, you know, we'd rather not replace the population of Texas with newcomers, with foreign religions, foreign languages, foreign cultures. Why is that not a legitimate position?

32:38 I was going to say, why is that a problem? Well, it's perfectly okay to say the opposite. Uh, Bill Clinton, back in the 90s, boasted that because of immigration, whites would become a minority in America. And this is great. So you're allowed to notice it, but only if you're endorsing it. You're allowed to notice, you're allowed to talk about diversity, but only if you praise it. So it's okay to talk. So basically, you can say, white people are basically bad, and they need to be replaced. They're a problem. Our diversity is our strength, which means that our homogeneity is a weakness. White people are sort of inferior. They're supposed to be kind of ashamed of themselves. And of course, in academia, they.

33:27 Talk about whiteness. The white people that built up America for 250 years, suddenly now they're in the back of the bus. You're allowed to say that whiteness is a cancer. Whiteness is a disease that must be eradicated. You're allowed to talk about white people the way the Hutus talked about the Tutsis in Rwanda shortly before they launched the genocide. That's why I tell people, I'm a Tutsi cockroach. I'm one of the Tutsi cockroaches. I'm just waiting for the guys with the machetes to come. That's a t-shirt, John. That's a t-shirt. Yeah, there you go. I'm a Tutsi cockroach. I love it. You know, the deal is, it still cracks me up, John. Help me out here. What's white? What is white? Anybody that is just non-European? If you're non-European, you're white? I mean, that's like the crazy stuff that happened here in Florida years ago, right?

34:21 When they were talking about a white Hispanic. I mean, I remember telling my mother, I go, what's a white Hispanic? She laughed. She laughed her rear end off. Well, I guess a descendant of the conquistadors rather than the conquered. But I'll. You're supposed to favor mass immigration into every European country. Ireland has to be colonized by people from Congo. Finland has to be colonized by Muslims from Morocco. Why single out one ethnic group and say that it must be reduced to minority status everywhere in the world? That reminds me of the hatred aimed at Jews. And of course, the same people who want to obliterate the state of Israel, swamp it with Muslims, persecute the Jews who live there, who falsely accuse Israel of genocide. These are the same people who claim that law enforcement amounts to racism, who claim that, for instance, at the Smithsonian Museum of African-American History said that the work ethic, individualism, punctuality, and professionalism are all aspects of white culture that have to be rejected.

35:40 That's so insulting and patronizing to every member of every other ethnic group. I guess wearing deodorant, that's racist. Washing your feet occasionally, racist. Thinking ahead. Oh, the traditional family, they said, was part of white racism too, which would be news to the many evangelical Christians who happen not to be white or conservative Catholics who happen not to be white. Right. It is a religious instinct. I call it white guilt. I call it the new gospel of Antichrist. It really is. Yes. It's a replacement for Christianity. It has a totally different vision of sin, of guilt, of redemption. And it feels so good to practice it. I'm sure Karl Rove felt so good about himself. when he endorsed this radical leftist Democrat in order to virtue signal, look, I'm perfectly fine with replacing the entire population. How is that conservative? What could be more of a social experiment than to say, we're going to bring in all new people with different religions, different languages, different customs, who don't know anything about democracy who don't believe in the constitution. Maybe they worship Hindu gods or they believe in Allah and Sharia and Jihad.

37:03 But that's a conservative thing. What could possibly go wrong? What could possibly go wrong? We're just going to replace the population with foreigners. Everything else will be the same. Of course, the constitution will stay in place. Of course, people will continue to go to church and show up for work and respect the law. The idea. that it's conservative to change everything. By changing the population, you change everything. It's total madness. Karl Rove actually went on Twitter and said, I'm the great-grandson of immigrants. Wow, your great-grandfather came and you're still not loyal to this country.

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41:54 Hey, welcome back. Bill Martinez here with Dr. John Zimerick. Carl Rove is saying, as the great grandson of immigrants, I condemn Beau French and any Texas Republican who doesn't want to replace the entire population with South Asian newcomers who benefit from affirmative action and DEI policies and who, of course, practice nepotism and hire their own. It happens all the time that when DEI gets one Indian into a tech company, pretty soon the whole company, the whole leadership of the company is other Indians from the same social caste. They're all upper caste Indians who despise lower caste Indians. So you're importing a whole new form of racism into America.

42:39 Yeah, you need to bring somebody, a delete in there. Bring a delete in the group and watch what goes on. You see, this is all part and parcel, John, of what Barack Obama introduced as the fundamental transformation of our country. Really? And so Karl Rove is drinking Obama's Kool-Aid. He's brewing it. But it's because these people are more concerned. What they really want is to be part of the American elite. And it's been made clear to them that part of being the American elite is despising the native masses, the people born here, the people who go to church, who vote Republican, who watch NASCAR, showing contempt for those people.

43:23 and replacing them with exotic newcomers who can be relied upon to vote Democrat and vote for bigger government. That's the big line. That's the bottom line right there. Yeah, so really it's a way of showing social mobility. I'm not like those rednecks. Remember the scene in the New Testament where the Pharisee is saying, thank you, Lord, that I am not like the sinner over there. Right, exactly. That's Karl Rove spitting on Texas Republicans. And now, of course, John Cornyn, who we rejected as our Republican Senate primary nominee, he's basically saying that he supports James Tallarico, the far left Democrat who says God is nine binary, there are six biological sexes, six. I wonder why he stopped at six.

44:13 Transgender surgery for kids. Right. But Established Republicans are saying, oh, you threw away this perfectly good Senate seat. Why didn't you? Why didn't you re-nominate Cornyn? Because Cornyn voted for gun control, amnesty, higher taxes, opposed Trump at every turn. And the Texas voters rejected him. And now we're being told, oh, well, you're going to have to take your punishment. They're going to elect James Tallarico. Yeah. James Tallarico, of course, was created by Texas establishment Republicans. They took this obscure member of the Texas legislature and they gave him committee co-chairmanships, all these powerful committee chairmanships, in order to build him up as a Democrat candidate so that they could then say, oh, wow, look how scary this guy is. You have to vote for John Cornyn.

45:09 He's the only one who can beat James Tallarico, who we created. the Frankenstein monster that they create. Right, exactly, exactly. And the deal is, you know, going back to what you were talking earlier about his church, his pastor, the Reverend Babs Miller, she's a lesbian minister at Tallarico's church in Austin, and her heretical views are just, you know, exactly what Tallarico's been spouting off, which is, you know, it's reminiscent of Jeremiah Wright And Barack Obama. So unless you think there's going to be a difference, you need to wake up, right? Go ahead. Didn't she say Jesus wasn't raised from the dead?

45:50 Oh, yeah. Well, he didn't. And, yeah, I mean, it was all a fairy tale in her essence. It was said, I'm a Christy who hates Christianity. Yes. Oh, explain that. One to me. Yeah. Yeah, and Reverend Babs, she says, according to Gary Bauer, she said God of the Old Testament is a vengeful, killing people kind of God. You know, just a lot of mythology is what she says about God. I mean, you know, I just love it because, you know, the Bible says, you know, you shall not mock God. And I got to tell you, I want to make sure I'm plenty distance away from Reverend Babs. Because God does not sit well with people who mock him, especially those who are parading as some sort of minister or leader of the faithful.

46:37 The idea of James Tallarico being the Republican senator, Democratic, being the senator from Texas, it's like electing Ted Cruz in Massachusetts. It's that absurd. But the fact that our Republican establishment and writers at National Review are saying, oh, well, it looks like Tallarico is going to win and it's all your fault because you nominated a redneck. You keep nominating rednecks. We'll keep helping elect Democrats to punish you for voting wrong. You stupid voter. You stupid peasant. Shut up and listen to what George. With the Bush family and Karl Rove and the established Republicans, listen to what they say, do what you're told, and patiently let yourself be replaced by foreigners we're bringing in as cheap labor who the Democrats will rely on as cheap votes, or we'll throw in with the enemy. That's how loyal and conservative we are.

47:31 Exactly. Well, they're definitely, I mean, see, this is the thing that's going on right now. And I keep telling people, I mean, all this stuff is coming out of the closet, John. You know, before it was kind of hidden, and now it's being so easily exposed. And my call to the faithful is that, look at, don't, your eyes are not lying to you. you need to be discerning and call it for what it is. And you and I are, you know, some of the few people that are pointing this out and encouraging the faithful because, you know, the Bible warned us, you know, that lest we'd be deceived, which means that we could be easily deceived. And of course, there are crackpots on the so-called far right, like Tucker Carlson.

48:11 What is going on with him? I think he's. Working for the Muslim Brotherhood. I think he's getting money from Muslim governments. in order to promote Islam. And I expect before too long, he will end up openly converting to Islam. But I actually think that's something demonic going on. Tucker talked about his encounter with the demon. After that encounter, he started coming out against Israel, against Jewish people in America, in favor of Islam, in favor of Vladimir Putin's Russia, just basically a whole anti-American, but also anti-biblical worldview. It's very dark play. I just want to tell people, you might be disappointed in some aspects of what Trump has done.

48:55 Every president disappoints us. I remember being disappointed with Ronald Reagan at times, but you have to get out and vote against the Democrats in the midterms or else. It's like, you may not enjoy the chemotherapy, but the cancer is worse. And what the Democrats are promoting... is radically rejecting the American founding, rejecting biblical values and embracing i guess they call it like race communism the kind of ideology that ruined zimbabwe ruined rhodesia turned into zimbabwe ruined south africa and is currently ruining europe in britain they arrest a dozen people a day for complaining about immigration on the internet What they don't arrest are Pakistani gang rapists.

49:43 Yeah. Well, John, speaking of maybe some good things, I mean, that deal that Donald Trump struck with Greenland and Denmark, how wonderful is that? It's going to really help our national security, which is important, especially as Canada goes further and further left and looks to be orienting itself towards the European Union, which increasingly will be dominated by pro-Muslim left-wing parties that are running Western Europe. It's a very scary situation for our children and grandchildren. What's Canada going to do when they get in trouble? Are they going to come knocking on our door? And we're going to say thank you very much. I mean, go to the European Union, see if they'll handle your national security, right?

50:28 I bet China would be more than willing to step up. Yeah, probably so. But what an awesome move. I mean, the things that Trump has done, you know, with everything, I mean, every idea he comes up with, I just think the Democrats have got to be sitting back in the back room going, Why didn't we come up with no tax on tip? Why didn't we come up with no tax on Social Security? Why didn't we build a ballroom? You know, why didn't we get Greenland? You know, I mean, all these are just things that Trump has done. And sadly, he's done them almost single-handedly without the help of a Republican Congress. That's right. Bad as the Republican Congress is, we have to go vote for it. Hold your nose and vote for the Republicans.

51:14 Well, and look what Donald Trump did. I mean, this latest report, the Supreme Court went against, I mean, they straightened out this immigration database for the midterms, okay, which is good news. So victory for You know, they say a victory for Trump. I say a victory for America. And that is that, you know, you had the lower court saying, oh, no, Trump couldn't do this, you know, with the immigration database for the midterms. And they put a restraint on it. And the Supreme Court, no, no, he's fully authorized. He's fully empowered to do this. This is why the Democrats want to pack the Supreme Court with five more Katonji Browns. who can barely read a law review article, much less write a competent, sane opinion.

52:01 And again, packing the Supreme Court is on the Democrats' agenda. So whatever you think about the Iran war, whatever you think about Trump's mistakes or failures, we have to get out there and stop these lunatics from taking over our country and driving it off a cliff. We're close. Could you imagine if they just... found a job for Kamala Harris because they seem to want to find a job for her somewhere. There's no way the donors are going to put another $ 2 billion to try to support her run for the presidency. Really, she's been working at the DMV somewhere. Behind the counter telling you the line is closed and she's going on break according to union rules. Right. Exactly. Yeah. And then she'd cackle on her way to break.

52:42 That's right. Exactly. Well, John, we got a minute left. I'm going to let you wrap things up. The State of the Union, where we are right now, buddy. Well, I would encourage people to go out and check out my last book, No Second Amendment, No First. It's all about the intimate connections between the self-defense rights we have as Americans and the religious freedom we have as Americans, that these two things have been historically linked over many centuries, the right of self-defense against a tyrannical government and the right to worship freely. These things are not accidental. The fact that they're side by side in the Constitution is no accident. It's there by design. Without a doubt. The persecution of Christians in Africa, they can't defend themselves.

53:25 They're victims of the Muslims. That's what the left wants for America. I'm afraid. Exactly. Well, look what's happening in Iran. Another case in point, John, to your exact point and that great book of yours. Dr. John Zimerick. Thank you, John. Appreciate it. Take care. Hey, just a quick reminder, you can catch the show on all major podcast platforms, YouTube, Spotify, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen. Be sure to download or subscribe to Bill Martinez Live so you don't miss any episodes. We call ourselves ASAP Travel for one reason. We can help you book a ticket ASAP. For those of you that don't know, that means as soon as possible. That means no wait time. You get through right away. No searching online. Our specialty is the lowest available fares on the big name airlines.

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55:01 Getting America back on track. Bill Martinez live. Hey, good morning. We're back with you. Bill Martinez here. And we've got Dr. Issaq Abla joining us, a former Muslim and a global broadcaster. She's an expert on Sharia, Iran, Islam and religious freedom. Dr. Abla, great to have you back. How are you? I'm doing great. Thank you, Bill, for having me back. Well, I'll tell you, our audience so enjoyed you the last time you were here. And when I told them you were coming, they said, oh, let us know when. And so, you know, so we've been looking forward to this. You know, as a former Muslim from Turkey, you know, we talked about this the first time, but maybe it might be good for, you know, the new people who are just finding out about you and in our audience to understand your background. Give them a taste of your background, if you would.

55:51 Of course. Bill, I was born in Istanbul, Turkey, in a devout Muslim home. I had devout Muslims, secular Muslims, and radical Sharia law-believing Muslims in my family. It was a very dysfunctional home with a lot of abuse, turmoil, hatred. And I grew up brainwashed against infidels, Christians, and Jews. I went to Koran courses, brainwashed, believing that Jews... Israel and America were the biggest devils, and all the problems in the world were originated from America and Israel. I hated them with all my heart, and I grew up in a very terrible environment for a child. During the Civil War years, seeing arms and legs flying in the air, people kill each other in front of my eyes when I was six years old, seven years old. So my list of trauma is very, very long. And then later on, I fled to America from a radical Muslim man who was trying to kill me. And when I came to America, I was suicidal. I was in a free country, but didn't know anything about freedom and didn't know my identity.

57:07 I even evangelized with Koran in. Miami, but. All these experiences, traumatic experiences brought me to a place of suicide. Making the long story short, on the day I was going to commit suicide, my Christian boss led me to Christ. And Jesus turned my life upside down. And I have changed, new creation in Christ since then. What was it that he said to you? Because one of the things that I hear a lot, Dr. Abla, is that... You know, Muslims will come to Christ usually as a result of a dream. You're one of the few stories that I hear where there was a conversation and there were words that touched your heart and opened up your eyes. What was it that he said to you that opened up your eyes to understand and begin to embrace Jesus?

58:02 Great question, Bill, because I had dreams and visions about Jesus when I was a little girl, too. So those, of course, implanted great seeds in my heart and mind. However, on the day I was going to commit suicide, my boss called me to his office after I cried my heart out in the ladies' room at workplace. And he said to me, Jesus knows about your suicide plans. And he knows everything. all about your childhood, Işık. He never forsaken you nor abandoned you. So He directly was speaking through the leading of the Holy Spirit into my heart. And at that very moment, Bill, I didn't know theology.

58:44 I couldn't explain Trinity. I couldn't explain how Jesus could be the Son of God. I believed all my life until that point. Jesus was a prophet. But I knew through His words. Jesus was in the room. He was real. And he was the only way to heaven. And I said, yes. Well, how did your boss know about your contemplating suicide? Had you shared that with him before or with him? No, not at all. This was a word of knowledge for him. Absolutely, 100%. God revealed him what I was about to do. Wow. Well, and so here, I mean, you turn a complete 180. Yes, I did.

59:24 Well, and the thing is, you know, as you're growing up, as you say, you've been indoctrinated. And this is, you know, your story is very typical of children who are raised in Muslim families. You know, here you are. I mean, we've been told it's a religion of peace, but yet you hear all this hatred, and it's hard to reconcile the hatred with the peace. You know, the only thing that God says that we should hate is evil, but he doesn't say we should hate other people. Correct. Correct. Well, I have this phrase from Corrie ten Boom. She said, if people can be taught to hate, they can be taught to love. And I think Jesus taught me his love.

1:00:08 He taught me. He was my mentor and he discipled me alongside with the church body of Christ, of course. But my heart changed at that very moment, number one. But it kept changing over time. God started transforming me through a process. But on the day of suicide, the darkest day turned into my best day of my life. Also, I was filled with love for people. First week to my salvation, I started leading people to Christ without knowing any scriptures. Right. Yeah, because you didn't have to. It's like the blind man. Exactly. You know, he doesn't know. He doesn't understand. He says, all I know I was, now I am. Right?

1:00:50 Yes, that's all I had. I love that. That is so awesome. So, yeah, you can't help. And see, that is a true redemptive story. You know, some people can, you know, they just they kind of fake it or whatever, but it's really not genuine. And it's unfortunate because, you know, because they miss out. in the genuineness of what Christianity is all about. But for you, it has transformed you. So did you have any further connection with your family? I mean, all of a sudden you've made this radical conversion. What did your family, at least the ones you were in touch with, what did they think? Oh my gosh, I was a loser in my family's eyes.

1:01:33 I became an infidel. They didn't want to talk to me. My parents were so hateful towards me. But then I was going to speak at a church in Turkey at a conference. My father came to an Armenian church, which his family was part of the genocide, Armenian genocide, and burned 15 Armenians to stake, my father's family. And he came to Armenian church to protect me from the minorities, imagine that. And when I was speaking on Naaman's leprosy, my father threw himself to the altars and wept bitterly and received Christ Jesus gloriously. And he became a changed man.

1:02:15 And then he passed away to be with the Lord three years ago. My mom came with her burqa to America with two suitcases, almost 80 years old built. And after she came in this studio, when I was preaching the good news to the Muslim nations, she received Christ gloriously. Three weeks after she came here with her burqa, she threw her burqa and she gave her life to Jesus. Well, you know, and this is the thing that I guess Muslims underestimate. I think we all underestimate. And that is the clear contrast with God or without God, right? Yes. Yes, absolutely. Absolutely. I was worshiping a God who told me to kill and die in his name. And I worship a God right now who died for me. That is the contrast, biggest contrast. One tells his people, kill your enemies. The other one tells to us, love your enemies.

1:03:15 And through that word, loving my enemies, I led terrorists to Jesus Christ because his word is powerful. Look, I mean, you think about this. I mean, you. have led terrorists to Christ. That is, I know it's incomprehensible for people to consider, but the fact of the matter is, is that's how powerful the truth of Jesus Christ is, isn't it? Absolutely. He is the word. And when we speak the word to people, we are actually giving them peace of Jesus. And he couldn't deny it. And he wanted to kill me, this man. He was after me to kill me. And he was going to assassinate me. But when he heard, my Jesus says, love your enemies. You want to kill me, but I love you in Christ. And that was the beginning of his salvation.

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1:08:34 Hey, we're back with you. She's a former Muslim from Turkey, now a global Christian broadcaster and founder of Issaka Abla Ministries. As I mentioned, you know, it's an incredible, incredible story and the conversion that's been taking place. And this is just one of many, but you know, here you are in America, but you're still targeted, Dr. Abla. I understand. I mean, last week we were supposed to get together and, and, you were saved from a kidnapping. Yes. Somebody came to our church and he said, I am not going to leave this church without taking her with me. And we, of course, reported to authorities, our security involved. But it was a miracle of God, basically, that he saved my life from this man.

1:09:19 Yeah. Here you are, you're in America. America is, I see them a bit confused with how to deal. I think, you know, here we just celebrated the 25th year of what happened on 9-11. And the country, I think, you know, we overcompensated, I believe, psychologically. We had a president at the time said, look at, you know, don't, you know, don't malign every Muslim. You know, we don't want to do that. And I think basically that was engendered from what happened during World War II with the Japanese. And again, I think what we should learn, even what we should hold to this day, as I mentioned earlier, is we need to understand and be discerning and know the difference between good and evil, right?

1:10:04 Absolutely. First of all, we both can say that we love Muslims. Let's make it clear to everybody that is listening right now and watching that this is nothing to do with hateful speech against Muslims. However, we need to separate hateful people practicing their own faith in their homes, in their privacy, in a free country, then Islam is an ideology, radical ideology, believing in Sharia law and expecting everyone to become like them and they cannot coexist without violence with other faiths. So there is a difference between Islam as a faith of someone in private life. Those are the Muslims that we love them and we embrace them.

1:10:48 75% of the world are those Muslims. But those Muslims are also under the oppression of the 25% of radical Sharia-believing Muslims who want to kill everyone until those everyone become one of them. And America is facing this threat right now, and it is invading America. And I call it population and political jihad that is happening in America right now. And that is the danger that all of us, whether 80s, agnostic, gay, or transgender, every one of us is facing in America that danger right now.

1:11:29 Bill? Well, the thing that's amazing, and I'm sure you probably shake your head, and I think we touched on this the last time that we talked, was when you had these university students, you know, shouting, you know, from the river to the sea. And a good number were of, you know, they were gay. Yes, yes. Their life expectancy in a Sharia environment is probably measured in seconds, is it not? Absolutely. In a lot of Muslim countries, if somebody says, I am gay, just say that word and they will be executed right there. They have no rights at all. The Quran doesn't even accept any man, any woman coming and saying, I am gay. There is no such law.

1:12:11 Under Sharia law, they have to be stoned to death. Yes. So here we are in America where it's almost like the Trojan horse has come in. Yes. And it has taken over communities, certainly like in Minneapolis. We saw what happened. 82,000 Somalis. They not only took over Minneapolis, they've taken over the entire state. Absolutely. We are seeing it in New York City right now. How ridiculous is that five times a day, there is Muslim prayer is playing in the Times Square right now. This is a form of jihad, not with tanks and bombs and soldiers, but through infiltration and invasion of our country.

1:12:51 Mm-hmm. And the media is compliant with this. It's not like they're showing this happening in Times Square. I haven't seen any video. Have you? Yes, I have seen so many videos about this. And our ministry, people can go and watch. We are releasing them, occasionally putting on our platforms right now. Yeah, but that's your ministry. But I'm talking about the mainstream media. I'm not saying it on mainstream media. Because I call it media jihad as well. Media jihad. tells everybody Islam is a peaceful religion and nothing is happening. That is exactly what the devil wants us to know. Based on what you're seeing right now, I mean, we see mosques growing quite rapidly in Texas. There's other areas of the country. Give us your analysis on that.

1:13:41 Well, this is, again, a form of jihad. It is not by the bullets, it's by the ballots. And it is by the political powers that are at work right now. It's just sympathizing with Islam. And, of course, there's a lot of economical fundings behind these things coming from all these Muslim nations and Muslim Brotherhood. It is growing like a mushroom bill around America. Europe, we are seeing a stage four cancer right now. America is stage two cancer. And we still have time to take care of Sharia and get rid of Sharia from all states in the United States of America. Because Sharia proclaims supremacy over our constitution.

1:14:29 And that is the danger of that. Well, that's the thing that amazes me. We've said this from day one. How can a Sharia compliant elected official put their hand on any kind of if it's a Bible or something and declaring that they're going to honor our Constitution and protect us from all enemies, foreign and domestic? You know, that's a total lie. And of course, we know of Takiyah. We've learned that word right away. And so that's been quite evident and continues. But somehow our leaders and I think, you know, the rest of America needs to wise up because this is a government of, for, by, we, the people, which means that we're self-responsible. It's up to us.

1:15:09 If we don't say anything, then like you said, right now we're stage four cancer. Well, stage three is next. Yes, we are. We are there. You said it, Bill. Because of Takiyah, they can swear. They can say anything. They can look like even me, very westernized. But it is not about how we look. It's about mindset. I came to America not with a burqa. I look like this. But my mindset was like everybody should become a Muslim. These are infidels. I need to get rid of them. And when September 11 happened, you said it, I was one year in Jesus Christ, follower of Jesus. And I thought to myself, oh my goodness, I could be one of them because I believed in what they did.

1:15:54 Right. But when you saw the reaction of America during that period of time, did you think, oh, like, oh, well, you know, are they they're being duped here? Right. I did. But also that those times were so beautiful because America got united and We all cried together. That Sunday churches were packed with people crying and weeping for the people that we didn't know, but lost their lives, innocent lives, America. But right now America is so divided, Bill. And that is the biggest problem in America because you know, and I know, house divided within self cannot stand. Right, exactly. Well, I mean, this is the opportunity that we're in. Now, let me ask you about, you know, the Muslim Brotherhood and you've got these, these pro-Muslim forces that are out there, will they cheat when it comes to voting? Will they do that? Because we know that as a voting bloc, the Muslims are in lockstep. They won't deviate. I mean, unlike Christians or Catholics or whatever, I mean, you know, we know from surveys and research from Barna that only 50% of Christians will bother to even register to vote. And of that 50, only 50 will actually vote. So they're really diluting their own strength and their own voice by not participating in the voting process.

1:17:16 Whereas Muslims come in and they're all lockstep and they're all voting one way. Yes, absolutely. Absolutely. You can expect any kind of cheating, any kind of con artist movement at this point, Bill. Once they are infiltrated, don't expect anything is going to be done with integrity. This is happening in the Muslim countries. Look at what is happening. Afghanistan, women were free like generations ago. Iran, women were beautifully dressed, modernized and had rights. Look what happened. How did those things happen? Because they cheated. They went their way through dictatorship and they started oppressing people. It is happening right now in the United States of America.

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1:22:26 Well, good morning. Welcome back. Glad you could join us. Bill Martinez here. And what a story I have to share with you. It's a faith forward drama inspired by a true story of the writer, director and producer. And she's here to tell us all about it. Beth Caulfield. Incredible. I got to tell you, I just had a chance to see the screener, Beth, and it really it's emotional. I mean, it really it really caught me. I was I got to tell you, I was a bit surprised, but what a great story. Well, thank you. It's, you know, based on, inspired by my own story. And I just knew that the Lord wanted it out there in all of its complexity, its lack of polish, you know, just being authentic about real people and real faith. And it required me to be vulnerable to do it. So thank you. I'm glad to hear that.

1:23:27 Well, and I know our audience is going to be touched by this movie and by your story, as you said, in real time. I mean, here you are. You're 45 years old. And oh, my goodness, I'm pregnant. And you're dealing with everything and in search of God and an answer. And you're all over the place, you know, friends, church, ministers. I mean, here you are. A minister yourself, a wife and a mother of two nearly grown, ready to leave the nest children. And it's like, oh, but you can't go because you're going to have a little sister. That's it. And, you know, the thing is, it's not an uncommon story, right? Many people know this. But what isn't often understood is the challenge for many people in it.

1:24:18 And and that's what I wanted to bring out to to hopefully to validate, you know, the people's feelings, what they go through, both the women, the men, the kids, all of them. But to evoke more compassion and support and support for ministries that are out there for them, pregnancy centers and so forth. So that's that's key to it. Yeah. And you talked about being vulnerable and honest. You were. I mean, you know, you asked those questions and you were dealing with, well, here I am. I'm ready to start a new career, a new chapter of my life. And all of a sudden, I'm going to be a mom all over again. You know, and then you deal with all that. And then, of course, then you get the medical profession who are very casual about talking about, you know, aborting the child. And I got to tell you, Beth, my daughter is She had a high-risk pregnancy. She wasn't 45.

1:25:10 She was in her early 30s. But she was very disturbed. She called me up right away. She was in tears. She goes, Dad, the doctor just told me that I needed to consider aborting the baby because it was a high-risk situation. She had already gone through one high-risk pregnancy. And the second one, it was never to happen. Everything was supposed to be normal, right? But this one was a little bit of a surprise. And she was really upset. I said, Honey, you got to understand. Today's medical profession is they have to watch liability. They have to tell you this stuff. And that was brought out in your movie and your story as well, which I think a lot of people, they've been away from this kind of process of pregnancy. They don't realize that this is what's going on. And of course, even at the end of the movie, you talk about how many people who get pregnant in their 40s and how many result in abortion.

1:26:02 Right, right. Yeah, exactly. Again, and that was confirming to me the call to make the movie, to share about it and to turn it into more than just a movie, a ministry that is focusing out and encouraging people to either know that they can go to pregnancy centers, abortion recovery groups, maternity homes, and also to get more people supporting those ministries and within the church. You know, one of the most common things when I talk to the pregnancy centers and abortion recovery groups is not all churches are comfortable partnering with them. And that's a shame. And so if this movie can open that conversation more, I believe there's a lot of conversations that can open, but if it can open that, then I feel.

1:27:02 I feel a sense of answering my call. Well, Beth, I got to tell you, according to statistics, Barna confirms this as well. We've had many discussions about it that roughly you can look out in the pews on Sunday and about a third of the women there, and we've got to include men too. Sometimes men are overlooked on this. And I'm glad you brought, you know, your husband was involved in this and his emotions and his feelings were involved, which is critical because I think sometimes, you know, there's this, what's my body, you know, my choice and that sort of thing. But the effects are, you know, throughout the entire family, including the husband, the father. And so it was great that you did that. But think, you know, you got about a third of the women in the pews that are dealing with this, and it's almost a silent cry. And I say it's a silent cry on both sides, whether it's the men or the women. And, you know, pastors, they're ill-equipped in dealing with this. And I just pray the Spirit would come upon them in such a way with revelation so that they would be courageous enough to address this issue because I believe women, and this is why I think this story is so important, is that we'll open up the conversation. I pray that there would be people there that would be ready to, you know, to receive them and to comfort them.

1:28:19 Amen. That is exactly it. And it's not just, as you pointed out, Not just the women. If a third of the women, and those are the stats I know too, one in three women are affected by abortion. The numbers have to be similar for men, right? Right, exactly. And it's not just people in the pews. It's behind the pulpit too. And we need to remember that too. As I've thought through my story, the people that I've encountered in ministry who have that as either recent or way back in the long time ago history, it affects us all. And the best way to deal with it is bring it out of the dark. Bring it out of the dark and let's.

1:29:02 Talk about it. Well, exactly, because we know, even though the reports and statistics, they want to hide them for obvious reasons. But, you know, women who have been carrying the burden of an abortion, there's a rise in suicide, the depression that's involved, you know, and again, even fathers are affected by this as well. And statistics, again, they're kept from us. But we know, and I hear this, and I've often said on the show, Beth, when talking about how the fathers are affected, I don't know, God deposited this, you know, download into my spirit and that he said, get ready for the cry of Rachel from the men.

1:29:43 Right? Yes. Because I've talked to so many men. In fact, one dramatic, and this was very touching for me, I was at an NRB convention. I'm interviewing a producer of a movie. And we were talking about abortion. The movie was on abortion. And I relayed to him about men and women and how they were suffering with depression. And I didn't notice because I was looking at my notes. When I looked up, tears were rolling down his face. And I said, what's wrong? He said, Bill, because one of the things when I talk with women or men, they often say, well, my son or my daughter would have been 13 or would have been eight. They remember it just as implanted in their spirit. That's exactly right. And he said to me.

1:30:25 He said to me, I'll just finish it. He said to me, my son would have been 18, Bill. That's it. That's it. And that's one of the reasons, one of the ministries that I love partnering with are these abortion recovery groups. They're groups that most of their leaders all have had abortions, but they have been set free. There's one thing of knowing you've been forgiven, but there's another step of being set free from that. And it's important. And it's not even just the mothers and the fathers. It's the person who drove them to the abortion. It's the person who paid for it. It's the person who recommended it and pushed it and now has thought later in life about that. And again, not to downplay this as such a simple issue, right? We live in a fallen world. There's a lot of things affecting things. But Seek God and he'll make your path straight. That's the message of the movie.

1:31:27 Right. Exactly. And the other thing, too, that you brought up, which is important, is this idea of down children. You know, there's some countries now that are just saying if you get a diagnosis and there's a likelihood of you delivering, you know, or having a Down syndrome child there, you don't have a say. The country itself goes and and aborts that child, whether you like it or not. And you brought that up. And even in your particular case, I mean, it was like less than 2% of a possibility, but yet the doctors had to tell you that. Yeah. Well, and again, not wanting to give away the movie, it's all in the way it was presented. That's a big part of it. And also to give encouragement to, as the film shows, there are also doctors who are very encouraging.

1:32:22 And very helpful. And that is an important thing for people to remember. Sometimes maybe you need to get a second opinion. Yes, right. Exactly. Well, and I will say, after telling you the story about my daughter, the doctor was very encouraged when my daughter made it clear that she was, her and her husband were choosing life. It was, you know, beyond debate. That was their decision in the story. And the doctor responded in like mind and was very, there was a relief. Yeah. Exactly. Well, you know, this movie also has bred a book, right? That's correct. That's correct. So what I realized was, you know, the ministry in this is not just the story. The ministry is also making a faith-based film and all that God did in making this happen. So the book is conceivable the movie behind the scenes. And it's all about The ministry that happened while we were on set, just the doors that God opened, the amazing things. I also, you know, I'm appointed to filmmaking and my denomination asked me to make the films to promote the arts, Christian arts within the church, to encourage churches to embrace it as an important pulpit and to encourage those with gifts to use it for the Lord. and then to also mentor them. So the book shows the original script, which

1:33:56 you know, Bill, what I originally wrote and how it comes out, it's just never is exactly the same. Some things are better and some things I'm just crying that they couldn't be there. The other aspect of it is I do get into the detail of what it takes to make a faith-based film or any kind of film. So if you have that call, can read this book and really see what it's like to do this uh in in uh in today's world. Well beth caulfield thank you so much she's an amazon number one best-selling author i i love the first the book the title people throw rocks at things that shine and then of course then we have conceivable uh behind the scenes uh both books available still and available uh at amazon right.

1:34:42 That's true anywhere fine books are. Sold exactly and the movie how can they see the movie Yes, so it. Is in theaters starting October 16th. The best way to ensure that it's at a theater near you is to request group tickets. You can do that on our website, conceivablethemovie.com. There's a button that says group tickets. Fill out that form. You'll get more information when you fill out the form. But also, you know, through wonderful efforts like yours, Bill, the word gets out and more people will get to know about what theaters are showing us.

1:35:24 And of course the website. Yes. Conceivable the movie.com. Excellent. Beth Caulfield. She it's her true story that she shares with us. She's the writer, director and producer, believe it or not, which had to be an interesting journey of, you know, Here you are telling your story and you had a great cast to work with. Yes. Yes, absolutely. Well, and of course, the story tells, it tells the story of Brielle Burns, a minister wife and mother of nearly grown children whose plans for the next chapter take a surprising turn when she learns she's pregnant at 45. Beth, God bless you. Thank you so much for being with us.

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1:41:02 Good to have you with us. It's great to be with you. Well, let's talk about the sandwich generation. I mean, I got to be honest with you, that's the first time I've heard that term. Yeah, the sandwich generation refers to adults that are sandwiched between caring for seniors that they love and raising their own kids at home. And it's a growing reality to many Americans. An AARP report from 2025 said 63 million Americans are family caregivers. And of those 50 and under, half are also raising kids. So that creates a real challenge and real trade-offs, you know, for their own personal time, the time with friends, time with their own kids. It can be mentally challenging.

1:41:46 Yeah. Can you say stress? Yes. Wow. Yeah. I mean, the load, the mental load that is thrust upon these caregivers, I mean, all things being equal anyway. I mean, it's not like you don't know what you're in for until you're in it, right? Oh, that's true. Yeah, 62% of the people we surveyed said they were unprepared. And those that are in the role now look back and say that they were unprepared emotionally, financially, mentally. So big findings. A big thing we're trying to promote is just to get ahead of it and be prepared. But you're right, there's definitely a lack of preparation there. And again, the survey confirmed that, like you said, it's a bit of a surprise, to say the least. You know, in dealing with a caregiver, I'll share this story with you.

1:42:38 I think you can appreciate this, Scott. I worked with a gal at a radio station in California, and her mother had been debilitated for, I think, 12 years. And the kids just kind of went along. You know, they went to see mom once in a while, but dad was always there. He was the primary caregiver. At a point in time, there was a call for a high school reunion. for dad to attend to go to Vegas. Now, they're in California, and the dad says, he sets the invitation aside. The kids see it. They go, dad, aren't you going to go to the reunion? You got to go. He goes, who's going to take care of your mom? I mean, I can't go. I got to be here with her. They go, dad, don't worry. There's four kids, right?

1:43:21 Four kids, mind you. Don't worry, dad. We'll take care of it. And it didn't take them but one shift, Scott. And they're going, oh, my God. what we've been thinking, how could dad, you know, he's been doing this all by himself. I mean, they felt really terrible. And when dad came back, they said, dad, why didn't you tell us? We had no idea what you were enduring. I mean, we need therapy now, you know, for what we've gone through. And fortunately he had a sense of humor, but they just said, you know, wow, why and how? And he said, I'll tell you this. He says, uh, 22 years ago, I made a promise to your mom and I'm not about to break it now.

1:44:06 That's beautiful. What a great story, huh? Very good. Yeah. And so this is part of the upside of what happens. You know, you don't know until you know. And, uh, and it is, I mean, what a gift, a gift of time, a gift of commitment. Uh, if, if people can look at it in that way, Scott, uh, I think it becomes a little bit more manageable and especially tough. I think, you know, for the sandwich generation, because, you know, these, these are still boomers and to a degree we've been very spoiled. And, uh, you know, the idea of giving, and I mean, there's some, there's some kids and some people they're just, you know, I think, you know, they're just gifted by God in such a way to kind of pick up that mantle and naturally do that. And for others, it's a little bit tougher. And I think for those that find it to be a bit of a grind and a bit of a load, uh, it's a little bit more of a challenge, uh, you know, for them, right?

1:45:02 Yes, absolutely. And I think a big thing, your story really highlighted this in my mind that we're trying to promote after the survey results is for people to, to prepare ahead of time so they could have that conversation with their loved one about their wishes and how, what kind of support that they, they need ahead of time, know their resources ahead of time. So there's a, a, a knowledge of what is available to support. Their loved one. And then also great related to the story you told about the children, you know, create a plan for the whole family so everyone can get involved. And like one person is not really carrying the load. That gentleman that was doing that, that's amazing work. You know, most of us can't do it alone. It's not failure to ask for help. So make it a team sport and try to get all those resources to help support that loved one.

1:45:53 You know, you bring up a good point here. You know, Scott, as the president of Visiting Angels, a national franchise organization, I mean, this is the heart of Visiting Angels, is that you're very compassionate. You come there to serve and to, you know, offer assistance to families who, you know, can be easily overwhelmed here, right? Because this is like 24-7. Yeah, in some cases, you know, surveys say that 75 percent of 50 year olds and up want to age in their own home. So that's what home care companies like Visiting Angels. That's what we try to do. We try to provide that way for seniors to be able to stay in their own home and support that they need to do that.

1:46:38 So what tips and advice from caregivers for those who may become one that you can offer? Yeah, again, I'd say if you can, prepare early. So start that conversation early. Check out the resources like visitingangels.com and find out more about what's involved in caregiving. And then involve the whole family for sure. And then again, many Americans are already doing this. So those same things apply. If you can, reach out for help. Don't do it alone. Yeah, I think sometimes people overlook the personality, and I'd say the general personality of Americans. We're very trustworthy. We're very compassionate. I think it's in our instinct. I guess maybe because we realize that we've been so blessed, we've been given so much in so many ways that even though some might accuse some generations of being more selfish than others, but I've seen them when the time comes, maybe you as well have observed this, Scott, that people will step up and do the right.

1:47:43 Thing Yeah, these families are trying so hard to care for their loved ones, and that's a wonderful thing. And also the caregivers that we work with at Visiting Angels, they're just wonderful. They're just the best of the best, and they do that great work every day to help seniors. So what are the top three steps families can take to prepare for caregiving responsibilities? You've kind of touched on it, but for people that follow the numbers, let's break it down three specific steps. Yeah, I've repeated those, but I'll mention it again. It's so important to talk to a loved one. You really want to see what they desire. Know your resources. in your local area. Home care companies can help you, like Visiting Angels, figure that out. And then create a plan for the whole family. That's really how to do it.

1:48:30 Well, Scott, you're the president of the Visiting Angels National Franchise Organization. How did you get involved with Visiting Angels? Great story. I met the founder and owner through a very lucky accident. He hired me 18 years ago. So I've been working my way up ever since. Right. Well, you started, well, you were the company's first general manager, right? I was. I was. And like you said, then you started climbing the ladder and here you are now. You are the president. President. Recent president. Yes. Thank you. Well, congratulations and congratulations on the role. that Visiting Angels is playing in our society today. What about people? Because I know that I'm always watching and seeing advertisements for invitations for people to become a visiting angel.

1:49:21 Yeah, right. Please, anyone interested in caregiving, visit visitingangels.com and look into that. Great caregivers are always needed. There's a great need out there for that work. And Scott, otherwise, where can people go for more information regarding the survey and the tips that you shared with us today? Yeah, thank you. Visitingangels.com slash sandwich generation. You can look at the survey findings. Very interesting. There's also great resources there for those who want to know about caring for their senior loved one. And I would also recommend Visiting Angels podcast, Real Talk on Aging. They had a great recent episode about the sandwich generation.

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