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Sept. 29, 2026

The Bill Martinez Show 09 29 26

The Bill Martinez Show 09 29 26
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The Bill Martinez Show 09 29 26
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Are you ready? Yeah.

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Okay, let's do it.

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Bill Martinez Live, a program about current events, our culture,

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our values, our politics, and our future. And now, Bill Martinez.

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Bill Martinez.

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Hey, we're back with you. Glad you could join us.

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Bill Martinez here, along with Carl Gallups, the senior pastor

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of Hickory Hammock Baptist Church, and also the amazing Amazon

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Top 60 bestselling author and former decorated Florida law enforcement officer. Carl,

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good morning. Good to have you with us.

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Good morning, my dear brother and friend, Bill Martinez. It's

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always an honor to be with you.

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Always.

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Well, I always look forward to our conversations because, uh,

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we get to be vulnerable and raw in such a

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way to bring a message that's a heavy message, especially

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right now, but it's also a hopeful message because like anything,

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you know, a lot of people say, I was mentioning

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to you before we got on the air is I'm,

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you know, I have people come up to me and go, Bill,

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you know, are we being judged right now? And I say, well,

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I think that's a good question because you're starting to

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see the signs of And and and so let's interpret

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those signs. And this is why I was looking forward

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to having you on, because you're so insightful about it

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that we can go through and recount because there's nothing

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new under the sun. We're living in a way, you know,

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God is the same yesterday, today and forever. OK, and

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that is singly who we honor here because we you know,

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when we're in trouble, we need to recalibrate. And the

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way to recalibrate is you you've got to come back

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to God to recalibrate.

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Right. Right.

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Right.

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Absolutely.

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Well, listen, let me address what you're saying. I'll give

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the bad news first, then the good news. The bottom

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line is the whole world is under judgment and has

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been since the Garden of Eden. And I know that

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people will say, well, no, duh. But I'm talking about

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the United States.

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Yeah.

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And we in the United States tend to think that

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everything about God's word and everything about the world revolves

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around us.

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It does not.

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It does not. We're a young country. I mean, according

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to all, you know, with all the empires of the world.

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But anyway, the bottom line, so the world is under judgment.

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Yes.

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And that judgment day is coming. We are now living

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in the most prophetic time since the first coming of

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Jesus Christ. We've done shows on this before. I'll just

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do a quick little recap of what I'm talking about. Yeah,

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Israel's back. The Word of God is the only book

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on the planet that said it would come back 50 times. Now,

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we're the first generation to see that. Now, we're in

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a war with Iran, who's been attacking Israel, and the

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Bible said that nation would be the premier nation that

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would be tied to Gog and Magog, which are the

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nations north of it, China, Russia, Turkey, the Stan nations,

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and they would be coming against Israel in the last days.

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Well, What a coincidence.

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2,700 years after those prophecies were given.

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Watch this.

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In only one book on the planet. It's not in

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the Quran. It's not in the Hindu Vedas. It's not

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in the teachings of Buddha and on and on and on.

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Nostradamus, nobody. But the word of God, the word of.

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The living God who does not change said, When you

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see Israel come back and then when it's finally in

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the land for a while, meaning decades, peaceful. In other words,

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they're going on with trade and everything. They've always had wars,

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just like the United States. But look at the peace

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we get to live in in the United States, in

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the United States. So they've had a portion of that

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as best as it could be in the Middle East.

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But it says, the Bible says, when that happens, Persia,

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which is Iran, will attack. in conjunction with China and Russia,

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Gog and Magog. We're the first generation to see all

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of that collide, and the church in the world and

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in America is asleep to the fact, by and large.

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Who's backing Iran right now?

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Russia and China.

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It's the axis. That's your point. Exactly.

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There was an article in Fox News just last week

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about how strongly that coalition is coming. About two months ago,

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they already hinted to it and said that Russia and

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China are reaching out to Iran. Don't worry, we'll supply

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you oil, we'll supply your missiles, we'll supply your money.

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And then just a few days ago said it's full

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blown on. Well, That's how world wars are started.

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I'm not a warmonger.

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I want peace for me, my family, my children, my grandchildren,

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my great-grandchildren.

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But I know the end of the book, and I

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know where it's all headed. Now, can there be pockets

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of peace and peace treaties?

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Yes.

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And I pray for those pockets during our lifetime. But

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the bottom line is when you look at those kinds

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of things, the explosion of technology that's getting ready and

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already is changing the planet.

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Daniel said that would happen. Jesus himself said that would happen.

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And I've preached on this. I can prove it.

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The book of Revelation says it would happen with technologies

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that we're already using.

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We're the first generation. Okay.

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So when I said all that to prove that we're

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living in the most prophetic times, all these prophecies are

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bursting forth. In the United States, God has used us

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and blessed us to protect Israel, to protect the Jewish

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people after World War II, to end World War I,

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World War II, all of these different things. He has

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used us. We're the number one nation of benevolence, the

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number one nation of exporting the gospel of Jesus Christ,

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the number one exporter of catastrophe relief, money we give

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to nations that need it, on and on and on.

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No other nation ever in history has done these things.

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When we win a war, We don't colonize those countries.

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In fact, Japan, we, you know.

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We dropped nuclear bombs and then we rebuilt everything.

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And now we're one of their.

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Greatest trading partners and protectors and on and on and

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on it goes. I'm not trying to say we're perfect.

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We're not. We are filled with evil, evil, evil.

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The abortion industry is ripe and alive. The whole transgender

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thing about we don't know what a boy or girl is.

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Look at the WNBA right now. going through craziness.

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States are fighting about violating Title IX. I mean, that's

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what they're doing. And they're fighting this. They should be

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able to.

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The last.

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The last presidential regime opened the borders, just said, come in.

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Remember tens of thousands coming up from the South America

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through Mexico on these marches.

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And Biden was going, yeah, and everybody, all the leftists.

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No nation can survive that.

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So the bottom line is the Bible says that one

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of God's judgments is upon a nation.

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That turns its back on him. And he was speaking

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to Israel first.

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But then he said, but my judgment is your borders

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will be breached by people of other languages and they

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will overtake you and you will be destroyed. God said

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that to his own people who brought the word of

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God and the prophets of God and the Messiah of God.

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He said, don't turn your back on me.

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Well, there are a ton of people in the United

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States who do not turn their back on the Lord.

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The problem is, is that there are a ton about

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50-50 right now that do in all.

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Manner of ways.

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And so, you know, I can go down the list

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of all the atrocities that America is involved in. I'm

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not making an excuse for us, but I'm saying two things.

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All the nations are involved in these atrocities one way

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or the other.

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And the other thing.

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Yeah, because let me just insert this real quickly, Carl.

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And that is, again, you have to understand a holy

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and righteous God who is just and right. I mean,

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there are certain things within the design of his creation

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and this universe that are built in their boundaries, like

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the law of gravity, things that we don't necessarily see,

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but they operate. They function in spite of our sin

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and our fallenness. And God understood that, and it's designed

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that way. But when we violate those things, a simple thing,

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like I keep saying on this show, when you violate

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the law of gravity, you find out it's painful. And

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so if that's appropriate with the law of gravity, how

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many other laws are we violating? And like the book

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of Ecclesiastes says, because the consequence of said sin is

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not realized immediately, we think that somehow it's okay.

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Yeah, yeah.

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No, you're right.

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And the other thing that's a part of this is

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the hypocritical way that people will blame God when the

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judgment comes.

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And that's like if I have a.

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Nursery, well, a daycare center, and I've got it all

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fenced in and everything, but I have a gate where

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you have to come in and out and all that.

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And we tell the kids, don't ever, ever, ever go

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to that gate or near that gate. There's a highway.

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You could get hurt or killed. And it should be

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locked all the time. Sometimes it's not, you know, et cetera.

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And we tell the kids and tell the kids and

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tell the kids and we tell the parents and tell

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the parents.

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And then one day, for whatever reason, there's a crack

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in it. It's open.

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And two or three kids go out and the worst

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thing happens that could happen.

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And all of a sudden it's our fault. And it

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really isn't our fault.

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We told them and told them and told them and

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told them. We put the fences up. We put the

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gates up. And that's what God's doing. And yet he

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gives us freedom to choose. We're not caged animals and

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neither are our children, but we have.

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Freedom to come and go and we can choose.

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And so when we make the wrong choices, then we

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step into the highway and the car hits us. Then

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we say, we want to blame the people that told

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us not to go out in the street. And that's

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what so many people in America do. The first thing,

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even atheists, you know, agnostics, I don't believe in God,

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I don't believe in God, and something happens. Why is

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God doing this? This is why I don't serve him.

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He's like, what are you talking about? Are you hearing yourself?

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But anyway, so yes, America is under judgment in that,

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number one, the whole world is. Number two, you cannot

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do the kind of things that America has done flippantly,

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abortion and transgendering our children and destroying the meaning of marriage.

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All of these things go to Genesis in the garden.

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And you can't.

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Keep doing that willy-nilly without thinking somehow God's not going

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to judge us.

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And that's why people are asking that question. Because instinctively,

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we know that.

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Everything is expensive right now. Gas, food, you name it.

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You're spending more. You are making the same or less money.

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So what do you do? You rack up credit card debt.

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That's what you do. It's not your fault. It's the economy.

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And guess what? If you rack up too much credit

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card debt like some of us, you can't pay your bills.

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Then the credit card companies, as nice as they are,

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start hounding you for money. Then you start your downward spiral.

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We're talking with Carl Gallup, the senior pastor of Hickory

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Hammock Baptist Church in Milton, Florida, best-selling author, top 60

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best-selling author, I should say, on Amazon, and former decorated

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Florida law enforcement officer. Carl, I will say this in

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terms of, you know, we talk about the prophetic and

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all these prophecies that have been laid out in the Bible.

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To date, are you aware of God ever getting any

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one of those prophecies wrong?

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Yeah, no, not at all.

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Let me first go back to what we were talking

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about and end it like I was getting ready to

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end it. And that is, I said, I'm going to

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give you the bad and then the good. So we

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basically talked about the bad. Yeah, the whole world's under judgment.

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We're under judgment.

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How could we not be? How could we not be?

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Secondly, but the good news is God is merciful and

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gracious to He doesn't wink at our sin. He doesn't

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wink at the judgment that may just be opened before us.

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But mercy means he's withholding from us what we deserve.

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We should have been judged and shut down a long

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time ago. Look at his mercy he has poured out

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on this land. We sing this song, God shed your

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grace on thee. Okay, grace means giving you something you

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don't deserve. Mercy says he's withholding what you do deserve.

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But he's giving. Look how blessed we are as a.

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Nation, the most powerful nation, the richest nation, the nation

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that has the most opportunity, most of the people in

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the world that want to immigrate to another country.

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For a hundred years. Number one is the United States.

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The next five destinations put together doesn't even come close

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to the number of people that want to come here. Now,

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you see how broken the world is. We're living in

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Satan's world. You see how broken the United States culture is.

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We're to most of the.

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People of the world that want to immigrate. This is

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heaven on earth.

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Exactly.

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That should wake you up because when we look at

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all the craziness around us and that's as good.

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As it gets on earth. Yeah, that's it. This is it.

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That's why Ronald.

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Reagan said, don't let that light on a hill go

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out because the world will be in darkness.

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Not that we are the light of the world, but

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God's using us. Okay.

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So that's why I just tell individual believers to Keep

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your eyes on Jesus.

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Stay in the word. Study to show yourself approved.

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Become that ambassador, that witness that God wants us to be.

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And he will take care of us like Noah living

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in his day and like Lot living in his day.

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They were under judgment, but Noah and his family and

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Lot and his family were protected.

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Now, back to your question.

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No, I've never seen a prophecy that is in God's

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Word that has not been fulfilled, except, of course, those

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that will be fulfilled, like the second coming of Jesus Christ.

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But because there are 50 prophecies from Deuteronomy to Zechariah

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about the coming of Israel, and then several prophecies about

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the exact nations that will attack that Israel, that's all happening.

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And because there are 300-something prophecies of Golgotha, right down

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to being killed between two thieves, buried in a rich

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man's tomb, risen again, gambling for the clothing under his feet,

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hands and feet pierced.

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On and on up. That's all in the Old Testament.

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All of them were 1,000 years before Christ, and the

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youngest were like 700 or 400 years before Christ, two

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to three times the length of the United States. They

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have all happened, and history records it, and now more

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are coming. Here's Israel. Here's the nations. Here's technology going

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through the roof. Here are these things that the Bible

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speaks of. The gospel is going all over the world 24-7,

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trillions of times a day, according to information technology statistics.

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The gospel has the ability. It's going all over the

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world because you and I, this right here is going.

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Right.

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It's all over the world.

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Exactly.

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And we'll get on social media and post it.

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Then we'll get on social media and put up some

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scriptures or we'll urge people to look at it. That's

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just the two of us. There are billions of people

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who claim to be believers. So all of that was

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prophesied in the Bible. And so because all of that

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has come true and is coming true right before our

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eyes and none of it was ever missed by God's word,

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then I believe everything it says about his coming again.

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Exactly.

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I mean, that's the big deal.

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That's the big explosion of the last of Satan's kingdom

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is the coming of Jesus Christ and everything being made new.

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That's on the horizon. I don't set dates, but I

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know it's getting close because when Israel comes back, the

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word of God says, and I'm going to paraphrase, that's

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the ticking clock, the countdown clock.

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Yeah.

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You and I have talked about this. I've always maintained.

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I'm always, you know, I think when I got out

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of Bible college and God opened my eyes to that

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reality and looking and saying, you need to focus on Israel.

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I said, it's as if the hour hand of God's

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prophetic clock was set when Israel became a nation again.

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And all that's been passing are minutes and seconds. I

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just see you, they're spinning. And here we are, as

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you just laid this out, Carl. Again, we're not setting

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any dates and time, but boy, we're near and very

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near here. And with that sense and understanding, if you

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have ears to hear and eyes to see, because the

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things are lined up in such a way. What else,

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what next needs to happen before Jesus is there at Armageddon?

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Right.

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Well, there are all kinds of isms and schisms within

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the Christian interpretation of the scriptures. Is it pre-tribulation, mid-tribulation, post-tribulation?

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I don't even go there.

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Now, I know what I believe because I know what

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Jesus said clearly. And it usually infuriates people when I

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quote that verse because they don't know how to deal

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with it. They don't know what to say. But that's

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not really what you're asking. But what you're asking is

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what has to happen next? Well, so much of what

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has to happen next is now happening. and that is

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all centered on Israel and the Middle East.

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Also, it's centered on Turkey.

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Let me remind you, in the book of Revelation, the

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seven letters to the seven churches, all seven churches are

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in what's now Turkey, and they're in kind of a circle.

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If you will. Not a perfect circle, but they make

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a circle right in the middle of Turkey.

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Turkey is kind of the birthplace of Islam, etc. I mean,

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that was the one of the nations that took this

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as their major religion. And the Turkic people were not Islamic.

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That was all invented in the 600s. And so now

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you've got 49 nations of the world that are totally Islamic.

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And these are the ones coming after Israel.

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Oh, my gosh.

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Wake up, folks. You know, so so those are those

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are the times we're living in. And all of this

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is happening. And so the second coming of Jesus is

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the big deal. What happens next? Well, you know, it's

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a matter of interpretation to some people, but the bottom

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line is there's coming a time on this earth when

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there will be a cabal of leadership that believes they

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own the world. Of course, Satan's given them that spirit.

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We know that as the lawless one or the antichrist

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and his cabal. There's a cabal around him. The Bible

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says that in the Old and New Testament. And what

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happens with that is all kind of technological wonders. Now,

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the Bible doesn't say technology. It says, but he calls

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down fire from the heavens. We're already doing that. I mean, militarily,

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we do that to a degree of perfection of what

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the scripture says. If I had more time, I'd talk

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about it. Also tracking everybody on the planet. You have

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to if you're going to have everybody take a mark

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or they can't buy or sell. Well, that means money

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has to be digitalized. Well, all of that's happening right now.

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And we have the technology for all of it.

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Most of it's happening. It's just not being pushed into

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that cabal yet.

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That's going to happen. Now here's where people argue, yeah,

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but we'll be out of here. We won't even see that. Well,

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that's not what Jesus said. It's not what the Bible says,

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but it doesn't matter. God's going to do what he's

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going to do, and we're going to be in the

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air when he says we're going to be in the air.

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Right, exactly.

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He's going to bring the flood. He's going to bring

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the fire from heaven.

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He's going to bring his wrath, but we have not

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been appointed to wrath, the Bible says very clearly. 1

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Thessalonians chapter 5, you are children of light. that day

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will not overtake you. You will not be appointed unto

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God's wrath. You can almost hear him speaking that to Noah,

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to Lot. And in Luke 17, Jesus said, the coming

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of the son of man will be just like the

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days of Noah and just like the days of Lot.

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And so that's my understanding. I know the isms and

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schisms and they are fervent and they are passionate, but

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I've been on live TV before.

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With a host that dragged me into that conversation. I

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told him, I said, this is your show. I don't

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want to, I know what you believe. It's not what

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I believe. Really? I said, yeah. Well, I want to

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hear it. I said, no, you really don't.

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And I was trying to be funny, but he kept

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pushing me and prodding me. So I just very sweetly

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told him about Luke 17, what Jesus said.

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Isn't it funny?

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In John chapter 14, Jesus said, I'm the way, the truth,

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the life, and no one.

489
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Comes to the Father. Okay, that's a black and white statement.

490
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No truth.

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True Bible scholar would say, well, there are many ways

492
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you can get to Jesus.

493
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Yeah, right, exactly.

494
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Why? Because of John 14. Well, it's pre-trib, it's mid-trib. Well,

495
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where do you get that from? Well, because we read

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this into it and this into it. How about the

497
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black and white statement that Jesus made in Luke 17?

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Just like the days of Noah, just like the days

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of Lot. And for the first 300 years of church history,

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that's all the church preached. It's called historic premillennialism now,

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a big theological word.

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They preach what Jesus taught them and what he said there.

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And so the bottom line is I'm trying to get

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the church to wake up to the possibility. It's not

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pre-trip or mid-trip. We need to live in. And Peter

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writes about it. In 2 Peter, he says, I'm going

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to paraphrase, if God knew how to take care of

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Noah in his day, and he means his day of tribulation,

509
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philipsis is the Greek word. And he knew how to

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take care of Lot in his day. How much more

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will he know how to take care of us when

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that day comes? So, I mean, the Bible's clear. Those

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are the kind of things. This war in Israel apparently

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one day is going to get worse and worse, led

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by Iran. Then God's going to intervene, according to Ezekiel 37, 38,

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and 39. He's going to intervene, showing that it's not

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the nations that's going to save Israel.

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It's him.

519
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Exactly.

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All the world will see it.

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That apparently is connected to the second coming of Jesus Christ. Again,

522
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people have different interpretations, but apparently it is.

523
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So we're in the, we're in the midst of watching

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that culminate right now.

525
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Exactly.

526
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All in God, all in God's timing. And this is why,

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you know, some people that want to, you know, be

528
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pundits about the military action that's going on in the

529
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United States and the firepower and everything else, it will

530
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happen when God says it'll happen.

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Yes.

532
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Yes. And, uh, Yeah.

533
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Well, look, we got about, we got, we got 50

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seconds left. I'm so sorry. Cause we're in here, but

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I'm going to let you, I'm going to let you

536
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summarize it and, and close it out for us.

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Go ahead.

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Yeah.

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Our salvation, the world salvation and United States salvation is

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not coming on air for force one. It's coming in

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the clouds of heaven and Jesus Christ. It is in Jesus.

542
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Fix your eyes on Jesus. Hebrews chapter 12 verses two

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through four, and you will be under his protection and.

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Under his blood.

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Soon and very soon, right, Carl Gallups?

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Soon and very soon. And I don't know if it's

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our lifetime or the next one, but it's not going

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to be long.

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Here you go. He's a senior pastor of Hickory Hammock

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Baptist Church in Milton, Florida. Also, Amazon Top 60 bestselling author,

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00:27:49.190 --> 00:27:54.079
former decorated Florida law enforcement officer, Pastor Carl Gallups. Carl,

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thank you so much, my friend. Take care.

553
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Thank you, brother.

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God bless you.

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I'm honored to be here. Thanks.

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Well, we're back with you. Bill Martinez here. Great to

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have you with us. For more information on the show,

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you can check it out. BillMartinezLive.com. We've got Troy Anderson

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joining us, a Pulitzer Prize-nominated investigative journalist, along with Pastor

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Paul Begley. He's the host of Paul Begley 34 on YouTube.

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He's also the co-pastor of Freedom Fellowship of the Villages

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of Lady Lake, Florida, as if he's not busy enough.

625
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And he's also a co-author of this great book that

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we're going to be talking about, Trump vs.

627
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The Beast.

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A World on Fire Needs a Hero. Pastor Begley and Troy,

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welcome to the show. Good to have you with us.

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Great to be here, Bill. It really is.

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Well, Troy, let's talk about the foundation. I mean, you

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and I have been in constant connection with the various books,

633
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and this book comes at a time when there's more questions,

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and I say questions from from the faithful that are asking,

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you know, two things. Are these the last of the

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last days? Is America being judged? And what you've done

637
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here with Trump versus the beast is you've captured this

638
00:32:43.809 --> 00:32:48.269
and many other questions and laying out a projected timeline,

639
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not based on, you know, Pastor Paul's theories. I mean,

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00:32:52.670 --> 00:32:54.609
this is taken right out of the Bible, right?

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Bill, so, you know, Jesus told us to watch for

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signs of the last days. And we're seeing the convergence

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00:33:02.400 --> 00:33:03.960
of all these different signs. I mean, for the first

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00:33:04.000 --> 00:33:07.589
time in history with artificial intelligence, electronic banking, and the

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00:33:07.640 --> 00:33:09.910
surveillance state, you could have this mark of the beast system.

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And so the world's in this fast track towards this system.

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And so the big question, like you mentioned, is are

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we being judged? My first co-author, Paul McGuire, had a

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vision on July 4th, 2025, in which the Lord told him,

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I'm giving America one last chance. So we're releasing Trump

651
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versus the beast right before this critical election, these midterm elections,

652
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that really could determine the fate of America and the world.

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If the Democrats retake the House and the Senate, that'll

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set them up to retake the presidency, potentially in 2028,

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and then we very well could be on a fast

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track to this World Economic Forum's Great Reset Plan, the

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00:33:46.650 --> 00:33:50.170
United Nations Agenda 2030. President Trump was just at the U.N.,

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saying we're not going to have a world government. But,

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you know, I think God has put the ball in

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our court. And this book lays out what the plans

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are of the elite, the globalist elite between now and 2030.

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And I think, you know, it's up to us to,

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you know, be good Christians, be good Christian soldiers, vote,

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do our civic duty. And that's why we're releasing this

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book at this time.

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Paul, our father says that our people, his people perish

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for lack of knowledge. What you have shared with us

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is knowledge. And so this is about preparation because we

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are on God's prophetic line. And what he says, he says, right? Absolutely.

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And you can't, I always say this, you can't stop prophecy.

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The only difference we have today than they did in

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John's day when the vision of the book of Revelation

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came to him is the technology has now caught up

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with the prophecy. Things that we saw in the Bible

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that we said, how in the world is there going

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to be an image to the beast? How is that

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image going to speak and make decisions who lives, who dies,

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and how are they going to have a surveillance of

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00:34:55.260 --> 00:34:57.860
everybody on the earth? Well, now we know that answer

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through artificial intelligence and through the surveillance system of the

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flock cameras and everything else. And with the Chinese instituted

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with communism, and that is the.

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Social credit score.

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Exactly.

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We can see how these things are coming to pass.

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Well, Troy, you and I talked, gosh, how many years ago?

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And we said that as soon as Israel became a

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nation again, I mean, God's prophetic line, his timeline started

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speeding up. I think I shared with you at the time,

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I said, as if I have seen ever since that happened,

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it's like the hour hand of God's prophetic clock is set.

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And what's been passing since then are minutes and seconds, right?

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Yeah, I think the first interview we did was about

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my first book, The Babylon Code, a decade ago. I

695
00:35:50.070 --> 00:35:52.440
just remember that Dr. Tim LaHaye, when I interviewed him,

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of course, he wrote the Left Behind series that sold like,

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you know, 60 to 80 million copies. And he said

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the rebirth of Israel in 1948 has got super sign

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of the end times. And so, you know, Hal Lindsey,

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you know, in the late great planet Earth, you know,

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00:36:06.179 --> 00:36:09.500
talked about the terminal generation, the last generation. So could

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we be in that time frame and could we be

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at the tail end of that now? You know, we've

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seen so many different processes come to pass. You know,

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00:36:15.929 --> 00:36:19.510
Bible scholars tell me about 2,000 of the Bible's 2,500

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00:36:19.510 --> 00:36:22.969
prophecies have been fulfilled in exacting detail. And so the

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ones that are left, you know, have to do with

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00:36:24.489 --> 00:36:27.880
the tribulation. And so we very well could be on

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the very edge of the events of the book of Revelation.

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So it's time to wake up, you know, put on

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the full armor of God. You know, God will take

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us through whatever is happening, but it's coming on us

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to do our part.

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Yeah. You know, Paul, as you know, in the Old Testament,

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I mean, time and again, when Israel was being judged,

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it came down to those who stayed connected with God,

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00:36:50.719 --> 00:36:54.059
fared well. In the midst of any, you know, tribulation,

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any kind of downturn, God again, time and again, demonstrated

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I believe, in the modern era. We are going to

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be able to witness that firsthand, don't you think?

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Oh, yes.

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And when you take a look at all of the

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attacks that Israel's come under now, with the Iranians, the

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Houthi rebels out of Yemen, Hezbollah out of southern Lebanon,

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of course, the Hamas and the Islamic Jihad that came

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out of Gaza, and even the radical groups that are

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in Syria and what have you in Iraq, Israel's completely

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surrounded by enemies. It was prophesied in the Bible, in

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Psalms 83, that there would be confederacy, you know, this,

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you know, Bill, this conglomerate of nations that would say,

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we want to wipe Israel off the face of the map,

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never to be remembered again. Well, those same words are

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being spoken this very week at the United Nations as

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we speak.

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They're doing it.

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And so, The prophecy of the Old Testament, as well

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as prophecies of the New Testament, point toward Israel playing

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a key role in the coming of the Lord Jesus Christ.

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Yeah, you know, Troy, it's as if Israel is this magnet,

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you know, for the second coming of Jesus. I mean,

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they are, they're just there, outstanding as a light that

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the anti-Christians... And, you know, the Muslims want to blow out,

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as Paul just said, with Psalm 83. I mean, their

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heads are exploding because of Israel. They can't handle this.

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And of course, they've been saying, you know, the verses

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of Psalm 83 for thousands of years, right?

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Yeah, what you have to understand about God's prophetic plan

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is that he's used the Jewish people, the Israelites, the

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ancient Hebrews, you know, to give us the Bible, to

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give us the Messiah. And it all has to, the

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Israel is the center of Bible prophecy. It all culminates

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in the tribulation with the, you know, I think it

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talks about about a third of the Jews will come

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00:38:59.119 --> 00:39:01.070
to believe that Jesus is the Messiah by the time

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the second coming occurs. And so this is all part

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of God's prophetic plan. Of course, he brought in the

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Gentiles and we can become, you know, we can ask

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God to forgive us of our sins and become Christians

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and go to heaven. But the center of Bible prophecy

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is Israel. That's what the Bible is all about. And

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so that's why we see President Trump pushing back, not

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against the just globalism, but he's also protecting Israel with

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Operation Epic Fury. He protected Israel from a potential nuclear

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attack by Iran. and, you know, Abraham Accords and all

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these different things he's done. You know, God, you know,

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whether he knows it or not, is using them to

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protect Israel. And that's, you know, the epicenter of Bible prophecy.

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Exactly.

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Pastor Begley, why do you say that the midterms, these

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midterms that are coming up are so vitally.

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Well, America is on the brink of making a decision

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which way we're going to go. We have this movement,

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this communist, super socialist movement that is creating this big

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tent theory that somehow all these folks are going to

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get along. And while they're coming along with a destructive

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anti-American agenda, Donald Trump and, of course, the Republican Party

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They've been standing on the platform of God, you know, God,

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family and freedom. And so that's being challenged. The midterms

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are huge because if the Democrats take control of the

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House or the Senate or both, it's going to make

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a very difficult ride for President Trump's last two years.

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And even to the point that if they take both

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the House and the Senate, I would not be shocked

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if they didn't try to go ahead and not only

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impeach President Trump, but convict him in the Senate and

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remove him from office. So this is big. But it's

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also America's role as leaders of the world. We have

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set a new course, a new agenda for the world

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to follow. Many nations are now embracing conservative views and

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Christian views, and we don't want that momentum to shift.

792
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So the midterms are gigantic. And so I highly recommend

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everyone listening out there, be sure you pray, be sure

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you vote, because it is critical.

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Exactly.

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Well, let's go to a quick break. We'll pick it

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up on the other side. More from Pastor Begley and

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Troy Anderson right after this. Stay with us.

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For more information on the show, BillMartinezLive.com. We're talking Trump

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versus the beast with the co-authors, Pastor Paul Begley and

869
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Troy Anderson. Troy, as Pastor was just saying earlier, just

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how critical these midterms are. And this is for the life,

871
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and I believe... let's just say the protection of people

872
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of faith, because we saw what happened in the Biden years.

873
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People of faith were targeted Catholics. I mean, the way

874
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the government was weaponized against people of faith. I mean,

875
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you're thinking what in America from a president, from a

876
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guy who supposedly is a Catholic himself. I mean, how

877
00:46:05.110 --> 00:46:08.639
could this be? But it, it would appear that again,

878
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in terms of the biblical prophetic timeline that we're looking

879
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at is that, you know, that brings up another question.

880
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is when you look at the final chapters of the

881
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book of Revelations, you're not seeing a strong indication of

882
00:46:22.150 --> 00:46:23.329
America's presence, are you?

883
00:46:25.010 --> 00:46:27.050
Yeah, Bill, I think you've hit on something, is that

884
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during the Biden administration, during the COVID pandemic, America for

885
00:46:30.789 --> 00:46:33.170
the first time got this glimpse of what a totalitarian

886
00:46:33.190 --> 00:46:35.639
government could be like, what the end times government of

887
00:46:35.659 --> 00:46:38.849
the Antichrist could be like. And so you know, the

888
00:46:38.869 --> 00:46:41.429
book of Revelation talks about this Antichrist figure.

889
00:46:41.630 --> 00:46:41.889
J.D.

890
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Vance was just, you know, talking a week and a

891
00:46:43.949 --> 00:46:46.619
half ago, could the Antichrist already be walking among us?

892
00:46:47.159 --> 00:46:48.780
And so we're seeing all the signs of the world

893
00:46:48.820 --> 00:46:51.699
being prepared for this Messiah figure that would, you know,

894
00:46:51.719 --> 00:46:54.469
supposedly bring peace and safety, but the Bible tells us

895
00:46:54.570 --> 00:46:57.369
would ultimately bring massive destruction. Over two-thirds of the world's

896
00:46:57.389 --> 00:47:00.710
population will die during the tribulation period. And so could

897
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we be on the verge of this? And so like

898
00:47:02.909 --> 00:47:07.159
Pastor Bailey said, If these midterm elections are critical, if,

899
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you know, Democrats retake the House and Senate, sets them

900
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up possibly to win the presidency in 2028 with a socialist,

901
00:47:14.320 --> 00:47:18.190
democratic socialist, communist kind of president possibly, which is what

902
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the globalists want.

903
00:47:19.349 --> 00:47:20.570
They want a world system sort of.

904
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Like China, you know, which is essentially a return to

905
00:47:23.590 --> 00:47:26.280
the old pharaoh, you know, Caesar system where, you know,

906
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that they tell us you own nothing and you'll be happy.

907
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That was, that was the UN video, you know, so they're,

908
00:47:31.539 --> 00:47:33.360
they're not being a secret about that. They have world

909
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government summits. Uh, the United Nations is connected to what's

910
00:47:36.610 --> 00:47:39.969
called Lucius trust used to be called the Lucifer publishing company.

911
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And Alice Bailey wrote some books in the 1980s called

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the hierarchy in which she said by 2025, the world

913
00:47:46.670 --> 00:47:49.030
government will be coming online. So we're, we're right in

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the middle of their plan right now. And so this

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is a critical time in prophetic history.

916
00:47:52.739 --> 00:47:54.659
Yeah, exactly.

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Cause, uh, You know, Klaus Schwab said, what, we had

918
00:47:59.639 --> 00:48:03.159
to 2030 was when the realization of their vision would

919
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be extended. Pastor Paul, what do you say, you know,

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00:48:07.090 --> 00:48:10.789
when people ask you about where's America in Bible prophecy?

921
00:48:11.789 --> 00:48:14.110
Yeah, you know, it's a great question. I look at

922
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a couple of different areas. I look in Daniel. It

923
00:48:17.389 --> 00:48:21.710
talks about these four end time kingdoms. One is a bear.

924
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One's a lion. One's a leopard. and one is the

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mighty beast. And when you look at that, you see

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that the lion, the bear, and the leopard, but the

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lion has a pair of eagle's wings on its back.

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And those eagle's wings break off of the lion and

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stand on its own two feet as a man or

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a nation. I believe that's the United States of America.

931
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In the end times, breaking away from Great Britain, you

932
00:48:47.969 --> 00:48:50.210
still have Germany, you still have Russia. Now, if you

933
00:48:50.250 --> 00:48:54.190
go to Revelation 13, you see the picture of the beast.

934
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The beast has feet like a bear. It has a

935
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body like a leopard. It has a face like a lion,

936
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but there's no eagle wings. And so you ask yourself, well,

937
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where's the eagle wings? Where did that country go? Well,

938
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it's the chapter before. It says that when Israel is

939
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under a siege and the enemy's coming against the woman

940
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who's going to give birth to the man child, it's

941
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a pair of eagle's wings that fly over and protect her.

942
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I believe we see America protected.

943
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Protecting Israel in the end days or in this end

944
00:49:23.789 --> 00:49:27.179
time period. And that's exactly what's happening right now. Of

945
00:49:27.179 --> 00:49:30.920
197 nations that are gathered at the UN right now

946
00:49:30.980 --> 00:49:35.260
this week, only the United States of America is fully

947
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in Israel's camp. We are the eagle's wings that fly.

948
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in the last days.

949
00:49:41.929 --> 00:49:44.789
Paul, thank you for sharing that. I got to tell you,

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00:49:45.349 --> 00:49:47.980
that gives a lot of people encouragement, because what we've

951
00:49:48.000 --> 00:49:52.380
heard repeatedly is that America is missing. It's MIA. But

952
00:49:52.820 --> 00:49:56.599
it's clear you're bringing some revelation to bear here that

953
00:49:56.679 --> 00:49:59.639
demonstrates that God's not finished with America.

954
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No, absolutely.

955
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And I'll tell you, Bill, because we have an important role,

956
00:50:05.190 --> 00:50:07.849
not only to protect Israel in the last days, which

957
00:50:07.949 --> 00:50:11.500
is Jerusalem is where Christ is going to return. He's

958
00:50:11.539 --> 00:50:13.880
not coming to Tokyo. He's not going to New York City.

959
00:50:13.900 --> 00:50:16.380
He's not going to be in Mecca. He's coming to Jerusalem.

960
00:50:16.820 --> 00:50:21.780
But America also leads the world in evangelism, in sharing

961
00:50:21.820 --> 00:50:24.079
the gospel around the world. If we look at all

962
00:50:24.119 --> 00:50:28.070
the Catholic, tremendous evangelical work that's been going on and

963
00:50:28.090 --> 00:50:31.420
the Catholics evangelizing over the centuries, I mean, there's no

964
00:50:31.579 --> 00:50:34.239
question in my mind America has.

965
00:50:34.059 --> 00:50:34.760
To lead the way.

966
00:50:35.019 --> 00:50:36.460
We've got to be here to lead the way.

967
00:50:36.900 --> 00:50:37.340
That's right.

968
00:50:37.699 --> 00:50:40.719
I believe America will still be standing, just like the

969
00:50:40.780 --> 00:50:45.050
vision of George Washington. He saw the wars, and he

970
00:50:45.119 --> 00:50:47.570
saw the conflict. He's seen the division, but at the end,

971
00:50:47.610 --> 00:50:50.769
he saw all glory still in the air and one

972
00:50:50.829 --> 00:50:51.769
nation under God.

973
00:50:52.690 --> 00:50:59.010
Well, Troy, so many people of faith are praying for revival, repentance.

974
00:50:59.889 --> 00:51:02.260
and you and I have discussed this. I think the

975
00:51:02.280 --> 00:51:05.480
first time we met at the restaurant there in Newport beach,

976
00:51:06.000 --> 00:51:08.219
you know, we talked and it was interesting that both

977
00:51:08.300 --> 00:51:13.650
you and I had this, this vision of a Nineveh moment.

978
00:51:13.849 --> 00:51:16.269
We talked about it. In fact, I couldn't believe how,

979
00:51:16.769 --> 00:51:19.510
you know, connected you, you and I were on that vision.

980
00:51:20.139 --> 00:51:23.889
And I believe that, um, We are on the brink

981
00:51:23.929 --> 00:51:28.190
of that Nineveh moment, just like in Nineveh, when the

982
00:51:28.250 --> 00:51:32.210
prophet came with a message to the leadership, the leadership

983
00:51:32.230 --> 00:51:36.170
of that country. And they so responded to it that

984
00:51:36.349 --> 00:51:38.809
everybody put on sackcloth and they said, that's not enough.

985
00:51:38.849 --> 00:51:42.429
Put it on the animals even, you know, and let's

986
00:51:42.489 --> 00:51:46.550
demonstrate to God that we're really serious about repenting. And

987
00:51:46.750 --> 00:51:50.190
I believe what will happen during this era is that

988
00:51:50.530 --> 00:51:52.920
this You know, you could say, I mean, we're always

989
00:51:52.960 --> 00:51:56.860
thinking about the greatest, maybe the last great revival before

990
00:51:56.880 --> 00:52:00.860
the second coming of Jesus. And maybe we're participating in that.

991
00:52:00.920 --> 00:52:01.579
What do you think?

992
00:52:03.059 --> 00:52:05.139
Yeah, Bill, I mean, that was quite remarkable to have

993
00:52:05.320 --> 00:52:07.059
a dinner with you in Newport Beach. I think it

994
00:52:07.079 --> 00:52:11.590
was like 2018 or something. And I think the Trumpocalypse,

995
00:52:11.610 --> 00:52:13.610
my second book, just come out. And of course, you know,

996
00:52:13.909 --> 00:52:16.389
I did an interview with Billy Graham back in 2013

997
00:52:16.389 --> 00:52:18.429
on the possibility of an end times revival. And he

998
00:52:18.469 --> 00:52:20.789
told that story of Jonah. It's the only example in

999
00:52:20.809 --> 00:52:23.400
the Bible. of God relenting of judging a nation he

1000
00:52:23.420 --> 00:52:26.489
was intending to judge because they repented. And so, you know,

1001
00:52:26.510 --> 00:52:28.070
we call for that National Day of Repentance.

1002
00:52:28.670 --> 00:52:29.409
Huge miracle.

1003
00:52:29.449 --> 00:52:33.210
The return took place in September 2020. Quarter billion people

1004
00:52:33.250 --> 00:52:35.849
showed up at the National Mall. 42 billion people watched that.

1005
00:52:36.210 --> 00:52:38.610
And President Trump flew over Marine One and issued that

1006
00:52:38.670 --> 00:52:40.800
proclamation for a day of prayer and return. The first

1007
00:52:40.820 --> 00:52:43.320
president to do that since Abraham Lincoln. Then, you know,

1008
00:52:43.340 --> 00:52:47.360
flash forward to April 2024. Pastor Bailey and I released

1009
00:52:47.420 --> 00:52:50.599
Revelation 9-11. And he had that great North American eclipse there.

1010
00:52:50.989 --> 00:52:53.190
And it went through all these towns called Nineveh. And

1011
00:52:53.210 --> 00:52:55.730
so the story for Charisma is this our Nineveh moment,

1012
00:52:55.769 --> 00:52:58.449
our chance to turn back to God. Pastor Bailey and I,

1013
00:52:58.469 --> 00:53:00.929
we called for 40 days of prayer, fasting, repentance before

1014
00:53:00.949 --> 00:53:02.869
the election. Then Trump won again. Nobody thought he could

1015
00:53:02.889 --> 00:53:05.469
win again. And now this revival is breaking out like

1016
00:53:05.530 --> 00:53:08.739
Billy Graham for saw among young people. It's very counterintuitive,

1017
00:53:08.760 --> 00:53:12.159
but that's what's happening, especially since Charlie Kirk's assassination. So

1018
00:53:12.559 --> 00:53:14.900
Pastor Bailey talks about the great harvest revival. I think

1019
00:53:14.920 --> 00:53:17.039
we're at the beginning of it. And so there is hope.

1020
00:53:17.780 --> 00:53:21.030
Maybe America is, you know, survives. If we protect Israel,

1021
00:53:21.050 --> 00:53:23.789
we continue to spread the gospel throughout this whole time period.

1022
00:53:23.929 --> 00:53:26.570
I hope that's the case, you know. So that's the

1023
00:53:26.610 --> 00:53:29.039
message of Trump versus Beasley. God's put the ball in

1024
00:53:29.059 --> 00:53:31.860
our court. It's our nano moment. It's the most exciting

1025
00:53:31.900 --> 00:53:33.820
time to be a Christian. We can share the gospel

1026
00:53:33.880 --> 00:53:35.780
and do everything Jesus told us to do, you know,

1027
00:53:35.820 --> 00:53:37.420
become a soldier in God's army.

1028
00:53:38.800 --> 00:53:41.519
Pastor Paul, what Troy is saying is that with God,

1029
00:53:41.539 --> 00:53:42.400
there's always hope, right?

1030
00:53:43.110 --> 00:53:43.829
Absolutely.

1031
00:53:43.849 --> 00:53:45.949
I mean, this is really, I mean, in a lot

1032
00:53:45.989 --> 00:53:48.969
of ways, it's so cool because people of faith, we

1033
00:53:49.030 --> 00:53:50.610
know the last shot. We know how this is going

1034
00:53:50.630 --> 00:53:55.139
to work out, right? So fret none about the temporal.

1035
00:53:55.860 --> 00:53:58.199
What we need to be focused on is the eternal

1036
00:53:58.679 --> 00:54:02.579
and realizing the eternal is coming at us at Mach

1037
00:54:02.579 --> 00:54:07.320
5 speed. And I hear, you know, Jesus saying, you know,

1038
00:54:08.739 --> 00:54:10.780
are you ready? Are you ready for me?

1039
00:54:12.340 --> 00:54:14.139
I mean, this is so important. It is the most

1040
00:54:14.199 --> 00:54:16.760
important question of all, and that is, are you ready?

1041
00:54:16.929 --> 00:54:19.690
And he said, watch and pray. For an hour you

1042
00:54:19.710 --> 00:54:22.349
think not the Son of Man will come. He told

1043
00:54:22.409 --> 00:54:26.630
us to be ready for the Lord's return, and he

1044
00:54:26.670 --> 00:54:28.329
told us to watch and pray.

1045
00:54:28.409 --> 00:54:29.550
He did say watch.

1046
00:54:29.659 --> 00:54:32.760
It's very significant, because I think a lot of folks

1047
00:54:32.880 --> 00:54:33.960
are just going through life.

1048
00:54:34.320 --> 00:54:35.659
They're not looking ahead.

1049
00:54:35.699 --> 00:54:38.139
They're not watching to see what the prophetic events are

1050
00:54:38.159 --> 00:54:41.719
that are happening, and they're certainly not praying. So it's

1051
00:54:41.760 --> 00:54:45.860
a combination. You watch, you get vision, you get clarity,

1052
00:54:46.219 --> 00:54:48.840
and my people are destroyed for lack of knowledge. And

1053
00:54:48.980 --> 00:54:51.800
also without a vision, the people will perish. So it's

1054
00:54:51.860 --> 00:54:56.880
important that we, as leaders of faith in Jesus Christ,

1055
00:54:56.920 --> 00:54:59.619
that we do our very best to point people to

1056
00:54:59.659 --> 00:55:02.599
the cross and say, look, he's coming back just like

1057
00:55:02.639 --> 00:55:04.940
he said. Every one of his prophecies of the Old

1058
00:55:04.980 --> 00:55:08.300
Testament and New are coming to pass just like he said.

1059
00:55:08.659 --> 00:55:12.570
And believe me, he will return. Yeah, Troy, you and

1060
00:55:12.590 --> 00:55:14.949
I have also talked about this. You know, God and

1061
00:55:14.989 --> 00:55:17.010
Jesus are, you know, when it comes to prophecy, they're

1062
00:55:17.030 --> 00:55:19.610
batting a thousand percent. And we've got, what, about a

1063
00:55:19.630 --> 00:55:22.530
third more of prophecy to be realized. So as I

1064
00:55:22.949 --> 00:55:24.570
pose to people, I say, what do you think the

1065
00:55:24.610 --> 00:55:27.099
chances are that he's going to get that part right too, huh?

1066
00:55:28.199 --> 00:55:30.420
Well, I mean, this thing about all those prophecies of

1067
00:55:30.460 --> 00:55:33.519
Jesus' first coming were fulfilled in exacting detail. I mean,

1068
00:55:33.539 --> 00:55:36.440
the Old Testament's full of prophecies about, you know, Jesus

1069
00:55:36.460 --> 00:55:40.070
being born in Jerusalem and you know, being crucified, suffering,

1070
00:55:40.429 --> 00:55:44.369
you know, detail after detail.

1071
00:55:44.449 --> 00:55:46.719


1072
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1073
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1074
00:55:51.500 --> 00:55:55.539
And so it just stands to

1075
00:55:55.579 --> 00:55:58.349
reason if all those prophecies of Jesus' first coming came

1076
00:55:58.389 --> 00:56:00.809
true in such exacting detail, all the prophecies of the

1077
00:56:00.849 --> 00:56:03.469
second coming, which the Bible has far more prophecies about that,

1078
00:56:03.670 --> 00:56:06.239
are going to come true too. And so this is

1079
00:56:06.280 --> 00:56:09.139
the one reason I've been fascinated with prophecy since I

1080
00:56:09.300 --> 00:56:11.619
was 11 years old. It is the greatest proof that

1081
00:56:11.639 --> 00:56:14.880
the Bible is real. Because who else? There's no other

1082
00:56:15.159 --> 00:56:18.260
religious book in history that has any kind of record,

1083
00:56:18.320 --> 00:56:22.469
even remotely, you know, approaching the accuracy of the Bible.

1084
00:56:22.530 --> 00:56:24.949
And so this is one of the greatest proofs that

1085
00:56:24.969 --> 00:56:27.530
the Bible is true. And now archaeology is now coming out.

1086
00:56:27.550 --> 00:56:30.389
All kinds of archaeological finds are discovering the Bible is

1087
00:56:30.809 --> 00:56:33.190
telling us exactly what's happen in the past and what's

1088
00:56:33.210 --> 00:56:35.489
going to happen in the future. So it's an exciting

1089
00:56:35.530 --> 00:56:37.150
time to be a believer.

1090
00:56:37.650 --> 00:56:40.789
Yeah, without a doubt. Well, our thanks to Troy Anderson

1091
00:56:40.849 --> 00:56:44.530
and also to Pastor Paul Begley. Their brand new book,

1092
00:56:44.710 --> 00:56:48.269
Trump versus the Beast, the Ten Kings Prophecy, Bible Revelation

1093
00:56:48.309 --> 00:56:50.750
of Coming Final Days. Pastor Paul, I'm going to let

1094
00:56:50.769 --> 00:56:53.489
you have the last word and summarize it and encourage

1095
00:56:53.550 --> 00:56:56.929
everybody to make sure this is a book they must

1096
00:56:57.010 --> 00:57:00.179
have and share with their friends and family, right?

1097
00:57:00.630 --> 00:57:01.369
It really is.

1098
00:57:01.449 --> 00:57:03.010
And one of the keys to the book is that

1099
00:57:03.050 --> 00:57:06.030
we talk about the 10 kings of revelation that are

1100
00:57:06.070 --> 00:57:08.710
made kings one hour with the beast. And what we

1101
00:57:08.750 --> 00:57:11.690
did is we looked at the 10 major categories in

1102
00:57:11.730 --> 00:57:14.789
the world right now, whether it be big tech, big media,

1103
00:57:15.170 --> 00:57:20.630
big pharma, big food, big bank, 10 military industrial complex.

1104
00:57:20.690 --> 00:57:22.679
And we said, if you think about it, if the

1105
00:57:22.739 --> 00:57:25.260
beast is going to choose 10 leaders to help him,

1106
00:57:25.900 --> 00:57:29.019
is he just going to pick some prime minister somewhere

1107
00:57:29.099 --> 00:57:31.389
or some foreign minister over here, or is he going

1108
00:57:31.409 --> 00:57:33.889
to pick the leaders of the major that make the

1109
00:57:34.010 --> 00:57:36.710
difference in the world? And so we came at it

1110
00:57:36.750 --> 00:57:39.889
from that perspective that, and if you look at, there

1111
00:57:39.969 --> 00:57:43.409
are 10 categories that would fit this bill that I'm

1112
00:57:43.449 --> 00:57:46.110
telling you right now, that it looks like it's coming closer.

1113
00:57:46.159 --> 00:57:47.920
So I'm going to say to everyone out there, please

1114
00:57:47.960 --> 00:57:50.400
get a copy of the book and read and learn

1115
00:57:50.460 --> 00:57:53.440
and understand what the events happening right now in front

1116
00:57:53.460 --> 00:57:56.559
of your very eyes and the soon coming of Jesus Christ.

1117
00:57:57.260 --> 00:57:58.019
Watch and pray.

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Watch and pray.

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Neil Martinez Live, a program about current events, our culture,

1140
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our values, our politics.

1141
00:59:10.619 --> 00:59:11.460
And our future.

1142
00:59:11.920 --> 00:59:14.179
And now, Bill Martinez.

1143
00:59:15.739 --> 00:59:17.840
Six minutes after the top of the hour. Good morning, America.

1144
00:59:17.880 --> 00:59:20.210
Bill Martinez here with George Barna.

1145
00:59:20.829 --> 00:59:21.090
Dr.

1146
00:59:21.130 --> 00:59:21.809
George, how are you?

1147
00:59:22.349 --> 00:59:23.730
Doing well. Good to see you, Bill.

1148
00:59:24.190 --> 00:59:27.449
If things calm down there in the neighborhood after all

1149
00:59:27.489 --> 00:59:30.300
the festivities, the memorial. I mean, when was the last

1150
00:59:30.340 --> 00:59:32.300
time you saw so many people go to a church

1151
00:59:32.340 --> 00:59:34.820
service that lasted over four hours, George?

1152
00:59:36.199 --> 00:59:36.420
Yeah.

1153
00:59:36.780 --> 00:59:41.559
Yeah. And it wasn't a black congregation. So, you know,

1154
00:59:41.599 --> 00:59:44.780
I recently got back from Africa. That's fairly common over there,

1155
00:59:44.889 --> 00:59:49.650
but it's normal here. So, yeah, that's that was a

1156
00:59:49.690 --> 00:59:50.289
heck of a day.

1157
00:59:51.190 --> 00:59:53.849
Yeah, without a doubt. And for some people, you know,

1158
00:59:53.889 --> 00:59:56.199
they were they were in line. They were queued up

1159
00:59:56.260 --> 00:59:58.260
at two o'clock in the morning, you know, to make

1160
00:59:58.320 --> 01:00:00.739
sure that they got a seat. And they turned away

1161
01:00:00.760 --> 01:00:05.420
thousands because there just wasn't enough room at the end. But,

1162
01:00:05.500 --> 01:00:08.159
you know, it's I think we're still looking to hear

1163
01:00:08.199 --> 01:00:11.460
the numbers of actual viewers they had. But no doubt

1164
01:00:11.500 --> 01:00:15.090
when you think about, you know, God said there's going

1165
01:00:15.110 --> 01:00:17.590
to be that time when the gospel goes out to

1166
01:00:17.750 --> 01:00:20.239
all the ends of the earth. I think we got

1167
01:00:20.260 --> 01:00:21.059
pretty close.

1168
01:00:20.800 --> 01:00:23.719
Here, George. And, you know, the thing that I was

1169
01:00:23.760 --> 01:00:26.420
thinking about last week was why would the Lord take

1170
01:00:26.780 --> 01:00:30.860
Charlie now or allow him to be taken? Because his

1171
01:00:30.940 --> 01:00:33.780
ministry was growing. It was flourishing. It was reaching more

1172
01:00:33.800 --> 01:00:36.480
and more people. It's like, why would you take somebody then?

1173
01:00:37.280 --> 01:00:39.039
And I don't know if this is right, but it

1174
01:00:39.099 --> 01:00:41.199
occurred to me, well, the Lord knows all. He can

1175
01:00:41.260 --> 01:00:45.599
see all. And so it must mean that he realized

1176
01:00:45.619 --> 01:00:50.570
that By Charlie being murdered at that time, this time,

1177
01:00:51.389 --> 01:00:54.190
it would have a greater impact than all the coming

1178
01:00:54.190 --> 01:00:58.909
40 years or so of Charlie's ministry combined. And now

1179
01:00:58.969 --> 01:01:00.860
his wife and others will be able to pick up

1180
01:01:01.409 --> 01:01:06.179
that baton and keep running the race for him. But yeah,

1181
01:01:06.360 --> 01:01:10.820
I mean, I just think we've been talking about renewal

1182
01:01:10.860 --> 01:01:15.869
and revival for so many years. And it's always... kind

1183
01:01:15.929 --> 01:01:18.769
of petered out. I think this may be a different

1184
01:01:18.829 --> 01:01:22.230
situation because of the nature of the dynamics of who

1185
01:01:22.289 --> 01:01:26.130
was taken, how he was taken, and how the churches responded.

1186
01:01:26.949 --> 01:01:28.840
And you bring up something here, and that is that

1187
01:01:29.280 --> 01:01:33.340
sometimes people underestimate the price of revival. And you and

1188
01:01:33.360 --> 01:01:35.559
I talked about this before, is that people are quick

1189
01:01:35.599 --> 01:01:38.099
to talk about revival and go, are you ready for this?

1190
01:01:38.880 --> 01:01:42.389
I mean, you're talking, hey, we got to put it

1191
01:01:42.429 --> 01:01:45.610
all down the line and understand that we've all fallen

1192
01:01:45.710 --> 01:01:47.730
short of the glory of God. What does that mean?

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What does it mean to be sinful? Well, when you

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come face to face with the glory of God, then

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you're like Isaiah. God, I'm toast, right?

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Yeah. And last week, I wrote an article about all

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of this, saying, man, we've been praying and waiting for revival.

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And now we've got a lot of people interested, but

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it could be just like September 11th.

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That's what I'm afraid of.

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01:02:15.369 --> 01:02:15.750
Exactly.

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I'm glad you brought that up.

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Go ahead. Yeah, because when we did the research back then, 2001,

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we were looking at what happened right after the attacks.

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01:02:24.369 --> 01:02:27.230
Churches were flooded. They couldn't hold all the people. There

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01:02:27.280 --> 01:02:31.599
was such fear and anxiety and doubt and questioning and

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01:02:31.719 --> 01:02:34.889
hope and all kinds of emotions. And people were coming

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01:02:34.909 --> 01:02:37.000
there to say, okay, what do I make of all this?

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01:02:37.340 --> 01:02:41.900
And after six weeks, started at about the four-week mark,

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01:02:42.320 --> 01:02:45.599
started to tail off. And after six weeks, we were

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01:02:45.679 --> 01:02:48.610
back at pre-attack levels. And right after that, we were

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01:02:48.650 --> 01:02:52.190
actually a little bit lower. So my fear here is

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01:02:52.269 --> 01:02:55.690
that we did not learn the lesson about what it

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01:02:55.789 --> 01:02:59.909
takes to actually have revival, which is that Once we

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01:03:00.010 --> 01:03:02.639
pique people's interest and the Holy Spirit does something to

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01:03:02.679 --> 01:03:07.159
get people interested on coming on board, it's not just, well, great,

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01:03:07.179 --> 01:03:09.519
we'll open up the doors and do business as usual.

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01:03:09.980 --> 01:03:12.679
There's got to be a whole different approach. The church

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01:03:12.739 --> 01:03:15.719
in America for the last at least 40 years that

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01:03:15.780 --> 01:03:20.480
I've been researching it really has not been about making disciples.

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01:03:21.300 --> 01:03:23.909
And I think that's why when we've had these moments

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01:03:23.989 --> 01:03:27.769
in time where the Holy Spirit stirs something and people say, yeah,

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01:03:27.829 --> 01:03:30.650
help me, Lord. You know, who are you? Where are you?

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01:03:30.769 --> 01:03:33.750
What are you? What are you doing? We're not there

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01:03:33.809 --> 01:03:37.849
to come alongside these people and guide them through the process,

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01:03:38.210 --> 01:03:41.150
much like Philip did with the Ethiopian eunuch. I mean,

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there's got to be somebody there to explain it to them.

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01:03:44.739 --> 01:03:47.139
That's what the eunuch was saying. Who would explain this

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01:03:47.179 --> 01:03:49.420
to me? And so Philip went on the ride with them.

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01:03:49.480 --> 01:03:51.420
That's what we've got to do. We've got to get

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01:03:51.480 --> 01:03:54.900
on the ride with them and accompany them through this

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01:03:55.019 --> 01:03:58.389
process and of understanding who God is, who Jesus was,

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01:03:58.469 --> 01:04:02.750
why he died, what our sin means, what salvation is about,

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01:04:03.260 --> 01:04:06.719
what a disciple is, what that life looks like, what

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01:04:06.780 --> 01:04:10.139
it takes to maintain that over time, what the community

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01:04:10.199 --> 01:04:13.000
of believers is about. I mean, there's so many things

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01:04:13.059 --> 01:04:15.900
that have to be unpacked. It's not just enough to

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01:04:15.940 --> 01:04:18.500
have them come in, say the prayer, and walk out

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01:04:18.539 --> 01:04:21.079
the back door and say, job well done. It's not

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01:04:21.139 --> 01:04:24.179
a job well done. We've probably done those people a

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01:04:24.199 --> 01:04:28.139
greater disservice Because at that point, they think they got

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01:04:28.199 --> 01:04:31.699
all the goods. Why wouldn't the Christians have told me everything,

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01:04:31.800 --> 01:04:35.110
shown me everything, delivered everything that I needed at that

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01:04:35.139 --> 01:04:38.849
moment in time? Why would they leave me a half-baked

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01:04:39.130 --> 01:04:42.590
spiritual being and feel like they did the job and

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01:04:42.630 --> 01:04:46.130
everything's fine? So that's my big fear for this moment

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01:04:46.170 --> 01:04:47.309
in time for the church here.

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01:04:47.909 --> 01:04:49.760
I share that with you, and we've been talking about

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01:04:49.800 --> 01:04:51.840
it on our show as well, because I've put it

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01:04:51.880 --> 01:04:54.519
in the context of branding. You know, what's the brand

1251
01:04:54.539 --> 01:04:57.840
of your church? Is it consistent with a biblical worldview

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01:04:57.860 --> 01:05:00.389
that you and I've been talking about? What, George, ever

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01:05:00.409 --> 01:05:02.570
since you and I met, I mean, you know, this

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01:05:02.590 --> 01:05:06.170
is like 15, 17 years now. And we've been beating

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01:05:06.210 --> 01:05:10.610
this drum. And I just see that just as Charlie

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01:05:10.690 --> 01:05:18.300
saw that the whole process and. And everything involved with

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01:05:18.519 --> 01:05:21.659
a person's life made in the image of God and

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01:05:21.699 --> 01:05:24.659
the higher calling for each one of us was freedom.

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01:05:25.099 --> 01:05:28.599
That is God guaranteed. But away from God, you lose

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01:05:28.639 --> 01:05:30.659
the guarantee. The warranty expires, right?

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01:05:30.679 --> 01:05:35.090
Yeah, absolutely. But how many churches would you hear that in?

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01:05:35.760 --> 01:05:38.639
I mean, think about the COVID era where churches were

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01:05:38.679 --> 01:05:41.940
not only willing to close, but But then when they

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01:05:42.039 --> 01:05:45.719
opened up, there really wasn't any discussion about what freedom means,

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01:05:45.820 --> 01:05:49.840
what freedom takes, you know, what our responsibility is in

1266
01:05:49.880 --> 01:05:53.400
that process, why God wants us to be free, what

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01:05:53.460 --> 01:05:56.760
it looks like. So, I mean, those weren't the conversations

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01:05:56.820 --> 01:06:00.989
that were taking place. I'm privileged to go to the

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01:06:01.010 --> 01:06:02.969
church where Rob McCoy was pastor. He was the guy

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01:06:02.989 --> 01:06:07.119
that opened up the memorial service yesterday. And Charlie, you know,

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01:06:07.280 --> 01:06:10.539
called Rob his pastor and would come and speak at

1272
01:06:10.579 --> 01:06:14.539
our church sometimes. But, you know, I mean, Rob would

1273
01:06:14.579 --> 01:06:18.099
talk about that all the time because he understood this

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01:06:18.199 --> 01:06:20.360
is the nature of the times. You have to understand

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01:06:20.409 --> 01:06:21.849
the times and know what to do.

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01:06:22.070 --> 01:06:23.190
Like the Brothers Issachar.

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01:06:23.429 --> 01:06:23.650
Exactly.

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01:06:23.670 --> 01:06:27.469
Absolutely. Yes. And but there were very few churches like that.

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01:06:27.510 --> 01:06:30.050
There were some and God bless them. And, you know,

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01:06:30.150 --> 01:06:34.130
they exploded. They did great because people were hearing something

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01:06:34.150 --> 01:06:37.679
that wasn't tickling their ears. it was challenging their souls.

1282
01:06:38.219 --> 01:06:40.380
And that's what we need now is pastors who are

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01:06:40.400 --> 01:06:43.070
going to stand there and challenge us to say, you know,

1284
01:06:43.110 --> 01:06:45.769
it's not my job as the pastor to bring these

1285
01:06:45.849 --> 01:06:48.090
people in and to do all the work of, you know,

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01:06:48.250 --> 01:06:52.670
justification and sanctification in their lives. It's us as a community.

1287
01:06:52.710 --> 01:06:55.900
That's why we're a community. We do this together. And

1288
01:06:55.960 --> 01:07:00.219
so anyone who's a disciple, wow, this is an exciting time.

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01:07:00.699 --> 01:07:04.059
You know, I estimate based on our research, only 3%

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01:07:04.059 --> 01:07:07.110
of adults in America are fit the criteria Jesus gave

1291
01:07:07.170 --> 01:07:12.449
us for being disciples. That 3% now is the hinge

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01:07:12.530 --> 01:07:18.260
point for the future of America. If we actually serve

1293
01:07:18.280 --> 01:07:21.719
the kingdom of God appropriately during this point in time,

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01:07:21.800 --> 01:07:26.929
America will survive. America will thrive. If we don't, America's

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01:07:26.989 --> 01:07:27.320
in trouble.

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01:07:28.110 --> 01:07:30.670
Well, we've been in trouble for a long time. And,

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01:07:31.369 --> 01:07:37.690
you know, we're down to that conversation between Abraham and

1298
01:07:37.710 --> 01:07:40.489
the spirit of God in saving, you know, is there

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01:07:40.530 --> 01:07:44.489
a possibility to save Sodom and Gomorrah? You know, how

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01:07:44.530 --> 01:07:46.699
about if you find 50, if you find 40, if

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01:07:46.739 --> 01:07:49.599
you find, you know, all the way down to five, right?

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01:07:49.860 --> 01:07:54.400
And we're, the numbers are getting less and less by

1303
01:07:54.440 --> 01:07:57.840
God's grace and mercy. You know, we've been given an

1304
01:07:57.920 --> 01:08:01.420
opportunity and pray that we don't waste it. I mean,

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01:08:01.440 --> 01:08:03.599
you know, the prophets that came to the children of

1306
01:08:03.699 --> 01:08:06.829
Israel and, What did they do to the profits? And,

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01:08:07.110 --> 01:08:09.400
you know, as we know quite clearly. Anyway, we've got

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to go to a quick break. We've got more from Dr.

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George Barna after this. Stay with us.

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George Barna, the director of research at Arizona Christian University's

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Cultural Research Center and the author of Raising Spiritual Champions. George,

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you know, you touched on something that's just so important here,

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and that is that this is Jesus's church first.

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Right.

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Second, he sent the Holy Spirit to empower the growth

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and maintain the spiritual dynamic of the church. if I'm

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hearing you correctly, this is my takeaway. Somebody say, okay,

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you talk to George, what do you say? This is

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my takeaway from what I'm hearing is that the churches

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more than ever have got to seek the Holy Spirit.

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This is a movement of God. You've got to get

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in tune. I see guitars in the background. You know,

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we got to tune up. We got to tune up

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to the, you know, to the Holy Spirit. Where are

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you going, Lord? Not my will, your will be done.

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That's what Charlie prayed.

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Yeah, and I think the challenge that we've had for

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the last four decades, again, that's as long as I've

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been measuring it, but during that point of time, we've

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been trying to do it our way. And essentially our

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way is, you know what, we can market people into

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the kingdom of God. And so we're going to figure

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out what their felt needs are, and we're going to

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pander to their felt needs, as opposed to recognizing, no,

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let's look at it from God's point of view. We're

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sinners in need of a Savior. We are weak people

1427
01:14:24.050 --> 01:14:26.850
in need of the strength of God. And so he'll

1428
01:14:26.899 --> 01:14:32.180
send the Holy Spirit. We are hopeless without Jesus. And

1429
01:14:32.560 --> 01:14:36.180
that's a message that doesn't flummet. You know, recently I

1430
01:14:36.220 --> 01:14:39.000
wrote an article. I was alluding to what I thought

1431
01:14:39.039 --> 01:14:43.130
was a huge eye-opening study that Pew did about six

1432
01:14:43.189 --> 01:14:46.430
or seven years ago. And they found that they did

1433
01:14:46.470 --> 01:14:51.470
a national sampling of sermons that were preached across the

1434
01:14:51.479 --> 01:14:57.649
country found that only 3% of sermons mentioned sin during

1435
01:14:57.689 --> 01:15:00.989
the course of those sermons. Wow. Now, when you've got

1436
01:15:00.989 --> 01:15:07.449
97 out of 100 spiritual outposts in America that refuse

1437
01:15:07.590 --> 01:15:14.180
to diagnose the primary disease that's killing every one of us, sin,

1438
01:15:15.020 --> 01:15:18.300
and instead want to talk about things that make us happy,

1439
01:15:18.859 --> 01:15:21.670
make us want to come back, Make us do all

1440
01:15:21.710 --> 01:15:24.329
the things that are what churches tend to look for

1441
01:15:24.390 --> 01:15:27.310
and count as opposed to no, no, no, no, no.

1442
01:15:27.649 --> 01:15:31.329
Let's tell the truth and let's believe that God's in

1443
01:15:31.390 --> 01:15:35.029
control enough that he'll deal with the consequences of telling

1444
01:15:35.069 --> 01:15:37.869
the truth. That's ultimately what we want, what we need.

1445
01:15:38.369 --> 01:15:40.479
We're not doing that. I'm praying that this is a

1446
01:15:40.520 --> 01:15:43.000
period of time now where we're going to look at

1447
01:15:43.100 --> 01:15:46.939
how Charlie did business for the kingdom. You know, and

1448
01:15:46.960 --> 01:15:48.439
he went out there and he told the truth. And

1449
01:15:48.680 --> 01:15:51.260
often it wasn't popular. He paid for that with his life.

1450
01:15:51.779 --> 01:15:54.140
Are we willing to do that? We've got to be

1451
01:15:54.180 --> 01:15:55.199
willing to say yes.

1452
01:15:55.880 --> 01:15:56.079
Yes.

1453
01:15:56.399 --> 01:15:58.710
We may not be assassinated like he was because we

1454
01:15:58.750 --> 01:16:01.069
don't have the platform, he asked. But we're going to

1455
01:16:01.090 --> 01:16:03.550
be persecuted. We may lose our jobs. We may lose friends.

1456
01:16:03.930 --> 01:16:06.170
You know, I've lost family members. I'm sure you have.

1457
01:16:07.289 --> 01:16:09.989
All kinds of things happen. And so we've got to

1458
01:16:10.010 --> 01:16:12.140
be willing to say, but that's okay. I did that

1459
01:16:12.180 --> 01:16:14.399
in the service of my Lord. And he's going to

1460
01:16:14.439 --> 01:16:16.890
take care of me. He's going to make it well

1461
01:16:16.970 --> 01:16:20.000
with my soul. And that's what I want. That's the

1462
01:16:20.140 --> 01:16:20.979
ultimate job here.

1463
01:16:22.340 --> 01:16:24.159
Why do we misunderstand sin so much?

1464
01:16:25.340 --> 01:16:27.600
Well, you know, it's interesting. We've got these two new

1465
01:16:27.640 --> 01:16:31.380
reports out because we do the worldview research every year.

1466
01:16:31.420 --> 01:16:32.859
And one of the things that we were discovering is

1467
01:16:32.899 --> 01:16:35.090
that people don't take sin seriously. So we wanted to

1468
01:16:35.130 --> 01:16:37.649
know why. And what we found is that there are

1469
01:16:37.670 --> 01:16:41.210
a lot of things that people misunderstand. You know, one

1470
01:16:41.270 --> 01:16:46.510
is that they don't think that humans have a corrupt heart.

1471
01:16:47.329 --> 01:16:50.550
They believe, a minority of people believe that human beings

1472
01:16:50.609 --> 01:16:54.250
have a corrupt or wicked heart as the scripture very

1473
01:16:54.350 --> 01:16:57.979
clearly states. Instead, what we've got is more than seven

1474
01:16:58.039 --> 01:17:01.239
out of 10 people who say human beings are basically good,

1475
01:17:01.760 --> 01:17:05.960
good at heart. And that's why we have this thing

1476
01:17:05.979 --> 01:17:07.779
in our culture where we say we can look inward.

1477
01:17:08.739 --> 01:17:11.229
We can turn to ourselves and we can figure this out.

1478
01:17:11.699 --> 01:17:14.449
We don't really need any help. We've got it. We've

1479
01:17:14.489 --> 01:17:17.670
got it within us. to deal with this. And then

1480
01:17:17.710 --> 01:17:21.859
we've also got this thing where we don't understand sin

1481
01:17:22.140 --> 01:17:26.020
as rebellion. We're willing to talk about, you know, sin

1482
01:17:26.060 --> 01:17:29.760
may not be good, but we don't believe it's a

1483
01:17:29.819 --> 01:17:34.430
life-changing experience. I mean, think about the fact that people

1484
01:17:34.470 --> 01:17:37.229
would say, well, sin's not that big a deal. It

1485
01:17:37.289 --> 01:17:40.210
won't change your life. You know, maybe you could have

1486
01:17:40.250 --> 01:17:46.529
done something better, something, you know, that would be more advanced,

1487
01:17:47.189 --> 01:17:49.770
but it's not going to change you. It absolutely is

1488
01:17:49.789 --> 01:17:52.170
going to change you. It's going to destroy your life.

1489
01:17:52.789 --> 01:17:55.369
And this is what people need to be hearing during

1490
01:17:55.390 --> 01:17:57.739
this period of time. Recognize, I'm not saying this to

1491
01:17:57.779 --> 01:18:01.899
diminish you or to discourage you. The encouraging thing is,

1492
01:18:02.079 --> 01:18:06.699
but there's a great way around this life-changing reality of

1493
01:18:06.760 --> 01:18:08.619
who we are and what we do. And that's what

1494
01:18:08.689 --> 01:18:11.829
Jesus Christ did for us on the cross. He's the

1495
01:18:12.069 --> 01:18:15.270
only one that can save us from this internal corruption.

1496
01:18:15.729 --> 01:18:17.609
And we got a nation where two out of three

1497
01:18:17.649 --> 01:18:19.979
people are saying, by the way, you know, when you

1498
01:18:20.020 --> 01:18:23.279
talk about sin, it makes me feel guilty. And that

1499
01:18:23.399 --> 01:18:26.829
guilt is worse than the sin. people are thinking that

1500
01:18:26.869 --> 01:18:30.600
the feelings that sin produces, it's just like when you

1501
01:18:30.659 --> 01:18:33.939
touch a stove and you jump back because it hurts.

1502
01:18:34.479 --> 01:18:37.520
God implanted that feeling of pain in us so that

1503
01:18:37.560 --> 01:18:40.760
we would know something's wrong. And it's the same way

1504
01:18:40.840 --> 01:18:44.270
with sin. That's what that guilt does. It makes us realize,

1505
01:18:44.590 --> 01:18:49.350
oh man, I offended God. I broke his heart. And

1506
01:18:49.409 --> 01:18:52.579
that should break my heart. If I claim that I

1507
01:18:52.699 --> 01:18:56.359
love him, I want to serve him, that's got to,

1508
01:18:56.439 --> 01:18:59.659
it's just got to, you know, knock me over, say

1509
01:18:59.779 --> 01:19:03.239
what a fool I am. Lord, please take over. Save me.

1510
01:19:03.270 --> 01:19:05.930
Do what you need to in me. Holy Spirit, I'm yours.

1511
01:19:06.590 --> 01:19:08.430
But we're not hearing that enough in America.

1512
01:19:09.729 --> 01:19:16.390
You know, we've become so consumeristic and nihilistic. I mean,

1513
01:19:16.409 --> 01:19:19.050
just go down all the isms. I mean, we've embraced

1514
01:19:19.090 --> 01:19:25.010
that as we have, you know, listened to the voice

1515
01:19:25.069 --> 01:19:28.100
of the evil one, if God really said. I mean,

1516
01:19:28.109 --> 01:19:32.680
God laid out a plan. This is his domain, his dominion.

1517
01:19:33.420 --> 01:19:38.270
It's all set up, perfectly ordered, and we messed it up.

1518
01:19:39.100 --> 01:19:42.119
And we have been trying to justify it ever since then,

1519
01:19:42.199 --> 01:19:45.069
as opposed to, you know, being like Isaiah and having

1520
01:19:45.090 --> 01:19:49.510
the moment, or even, you know, the children of Nineveh, who,

1521
01:19:50.329 --> 01:19:52.630
when they're confronted with the truth of God, are going,

1522
01:19:53.689 --> 01:19:54.210
oy vey.

1523
01:19:54.229 --> 01:19:54.949
Yeah.

1524
01:19:55.270 --> 01:19:57.989
You know, or they were a bunch of Gentiles, so

1525
01:19:58.029 --> 01:20:01.640
they probably didn't say oy vey. But regardless, you know,

1526
01:20:01.680 --> 01:20:06.340
they got it, right? And they're putting sackcloth on themselves

1527
01:20:06.600 --> 01:20:09.260
and they're going, Hey, even the animals go, we, we,

1528
01:20:09.420 --> 01:20:14.659
we're not going to miss anything here. Right. And maybe George,

1529
01:20:14.779 --> 01:20:18.560
maybe if we could get to that sackcloth moment, so

1530
01:20:18.600 --> 01:20:21.770
to speak, that God would open our eyes in such

1531
01:20:21.789 --> 01:20:25.789
a way that we could really see sin for how

1532
01:20:26.029 --> 01:20:27.350
it hurts the father's heart.

1533
01:20:29.390 --> 01:20:33.449
And just even the phrase you use there, Bill, the father,

1534
01:20:34.300 --> 01:20:36.109
You know, I mean, this is something else we're finding

1535
01:20:36.149 --> 01:20:39.819
that so few people, when they think about who they are,

1536
01:20:39.880 --> 01:20:42.000
they think about the nature of their life. They think

1537
01:20:42.060 --> 01:20:45.659
about their faith. When they think about God, they think about,

1538
01:20:45.979 --> 01:20:48.619
you know, the big guy, the man upstairs. They don't

1539
01:20:48.680 --> 01:20:53.279
think about, he's my father. You know, he loves me.

1540
01:20:53.380 --> 01:20:57.199
He cares about me. He'll do everything he can to

1541
01:20:57.359 --> 01:21:00.880
save me. And that's why he came down here and

1542
01:21:00.920 --> 01:21:05.859
took on my sins. That's my father willing to suffer

1543
01:21:06.000 --> 01:21:09.800
for me so that I can live with him forever

1544
01:21:09.859 --> 01:21:13.430
because he loves me. We don't get that picture. And

1545
01:21:13.449 --> 01:21:16.550
I think it's so critically important for us to recognize that.

1546
01:21:17.010 --> 01:21:20.869
Well, it's important that we're having this conversation today. Significant

1547
01:21:20.930 --> 01:21:25.539
that you address this topic right now because that is

1548
01:21:25.819 --> 01:21:28.939
step one in any kind of revival is we have

1549
01:21:28.979 --> 01:21:32.720
to acknowledge that we all have sinned. We're all sinners.

1550
01:21:33.550 --> 01:21:36.840
And we need a holy God to save us because

1551
01:21:37.100 --> 01:21:38.539
there's nobody else, George.

1552
01:21:41.020 --> 01:21:43.859
It's all we've got. But the beauty of that is

1553
01:21:44.239 --> 01:21:44.920
it's all we need.

1554
01:21:47.520 --> 01:21:49.920
I love that. That's all we got and it's all

1555
01:21:49.960 --> 01:21:50.340
we need.

1556
01:21:51.430 --> 01:21:51.649
Yes.

1557
01:21:52.159 --> 01:21:55.090
Yeah. So, I mean, if we can just embrace that

1558
01:21:55.430 --> 01:21:59.989
and be thankful for that, so thankful that we're willing

1559
01:22:00.050 --> 01:22:03.899
to repent, which means turn around, you know, change what

1560
01:22:03.939 --> 01:22:07.500
we're doing, go in a different direction. If we'd be

1561
01:22:07.579 --> 01:22:10.750
willing to do that, man, it would be so different.

1562
01:22:11.750 --> 01:22:15.989
Well, you talk about a revival that could be beyond

1563
01:22:16.609 --> 01:22:20.630
anything that this earth has ever experienced, George Barna.

1564
01:22:21.029 --> 01:22:21.250
Wow.

1565
01:22:22.529 --> 01:22:26.380
May it be the Father's will that it would happen

1566
01:22:26.399 --> 01:22:26.859
at this time.

1567
01:22:27.689 --> 01:22:29.590
And Charlie was a friend, and I'm going to miss him.

1568
01:22:29.630 --> 01:22:31.619
Millions of people are going to miss him because of

1569
01:22:31.659 --> 01:22:34.899
what he brought to the table. But what he brought

1570
01:22:34.920 --> 01:22:37.680
to the table isn't going away because what he brought

1571
01:22:37.699 --> 01:22:41.039
to the table was the truth of the scriptures, the

1572
01:22:41.119 --> 01:22:44.140
love of God, the forgiveness of Christ, and the hope

1573
01:22:44.180 --> 01:22:47.270
of eternity. And he may have talked about it in

1574
01:22:47.279 --> 01:22:49.390
a political context. He might have talked about it in

1575
01:22:49.409 --> 01:22:53.109
a social context, in a family context, an educational context.

1576
01:22:53.770 --> 01:22:58.699
But the basis of his message was recognize you're a sinner,

1577
01:22:59.340 --> 01:23:02.270
ask for God's forgiveness, accept it, and run with it.

1578
01:23:04.220 --> 01:23:05.279
And the truth does exist.

1579
01:23:07.229 --> 01:23:09.909
Yeah. And how ironic it is that he had to

1580
01:23:09.949 --> 01:23:13.609
go to universities and colleges all over the country, which

1581
01:23:13.689 --> 01:23:15.869
is supposed to be places that teach us the truth.

1582
01:23:17.109 --> 01:23:19.310
At our university, we're certainly trying to do that, but

1583
01:23:19.350 --> 01:23:22.680
we hear all the time how unique that is, well,

1584
01:23:22.720 --> 01:23:23.670
how sad that is.

1585
01:23:25.159 --> 01:23:27.880
He's the director of research at Arizona Christian University's Cultural

1586
01:23:27.920 --> 01:23:31.210
Research Center, author of Raising Spiritual Champions, Dr.

1587
01:23:31.229 --> 01:23:31.810
George Barnett.

1588
01:23:31.829 --> 01:23:33.529
Thank you, George. Take care. God bless you, my friend.

1589
01:23:33.729 --> 01:23:34.569
You too, Bill. Thanks.

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to eat and when an estimated 60 to 70 million

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01:27:34.649 --> 01:27:40.720
people Americans are suffering from gastrointestinal diseases that can disrupt

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01:27:40.880 --> 01:27:45.140
everyday life. And within that number, nearly one in 100

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01:27:45.140 --> 01:27:50.359
of Americans live with Crohn's disease or ulcerative colitis. Lifelong

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01:27:50.399 --> 01:27:55.050
chronic illnesses collectively known as inflammatory bowel disease is touching

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01:27:55.210 --> 01:27:58.470
millions of Americans. Rachel, welcome to the show. Good to

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01:27:58.529 --> 01:27:59.039
have you with us.

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01:27:59.930 --> 01:28:02.229
Thank you so much for having me. Great to be here.

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01:28:02.569 --> 01:28:05.829
Well, as I mentioned, Rachel is a registered dietitian, and

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01:28:05.949 --> 01:28:08.659
she's got all the answers to the questions that you

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01:28:08.739 --> 01:28:13.380
have that are bothering your gut. And she's got showcase

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01:28:13.420 --> 01:28:17.000
recipes from the Foundation's Gut-Friendly Recipes Collection. So we're going

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01:28:17.020 --> 01:28:19.640
to get into all of it. So stay with us here.

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01:28:20.239 --> 01:28:23.310
And also, I'm looking forward, Rachel, I understand you've got

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01:28:23.359 --> 01:28:27.430
an incredible orange mango strawberry smoothie to share with us.

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01:28:27.449 --> 01:28:29.050
Just a little bit of a tease here before we

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01:28:29.069 --> 01:28:31.579
get into it. some more of the questions, right?

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01:28:33.279 --> 01:28:35.260
Sounds great. Yes, we do. We have a lot of

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01:28:35.319 --> 01:28:36.439
great recipes here.

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01:28:37.250 --> 01:28:39.829
Well, first of all, let's talk about Crohn's disease and

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01:28:40.020 --> 01:28:41.579
ulcerative colitis. What is it?

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01:28:42.560 --> 01:28:42.819
Yes.

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01:28:42.939 --> 01:28:46.159
So as you mentioned, Crohn's disease and ulcerative colitis impact

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01:28:46.420 --> 01:28:51.140
one in 100 Americans, and they are chronic lifelong inflammatory

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01:28:51.180 --> 01:28:56.319
conditions that cause inflammation in the digestive tract. And so

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01:28:56.579 --> 01:28:59.979
for a lot of these patients, one of the biggest

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01:29:00.060 --> 01:29:03.000
questions they have is, what should I eat? What can

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01:29:03.079 --> 01:29:05.819
I eat? And that is exactly why the Crohn's and

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01:29:05.840 --> 01:29:11.699
Colitis Foundation created gut-friendly recipes with over 500 dietician-approved recipes

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01:29:12.020 --> 01:29:16.630
designed specifically for people with Crohn's disease, ulcerative colitis, as

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01:29:16.710 --> 01:29:18.789
well as other digestive issues.

1689
01:29:18.810 --> 01:29:19.670
Yeah.

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01:29:20.189 --> 01:29:23.449
You know, Rachel, before you came up with this, I mean, here, people,

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01:29:23.470 --> 01:29:26.670
it was trial and error. You found out what you're

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01:29:27.090 --> 01:29:29.050
could eat and what you couldn't eat. And when you

1693
01:29:29.069 --> 01:29:31.529
found out what you couldn't eat, it was a painful

1694
01:29:31.600 --> 01:29:34.239
experience and you're going, there's got to be a better way, right?

1695
01:29:35.199 --> 01:29:38.340
Exactly. It can be really, really challenging and it can

1696
01:29:38.359 --> 01:29:40.680
be very stressful too, to figure out what you can

1697
01:29:40.739 --> 01:29:41.800
and cannot tolerate.

1698
01:29:42.960 --> 01:29:45.529
Well, how does diet play a role for people managing

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01:29:45.649 --> 01:29:48.409
IBD or another digestive issue?

1700
01:29:49.470 --> 01:29:49.750
Yes.

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01:29:49.810 --> 01:29:52.649
So for people with IBD, as well as the millions

1702
01:29:52.689 --> 01:29:58.060
of others living with other digestive conditions, like IBS, gastritis, reflux,

1703
01:29:58.460 --> 01:30:01.600
diet can really help to manage symptoms. So the right

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01:30:01.720 --> 01:30:04.819
foods can actually help to minimize irritation when the gut

1705
01:30:04.859 --> 01:30:08.039
is inflamed. And then also diet can help to keep

1706
01:30:08.079 --> 01:30:12.020
the gut environment healthy and inflammation levels low to support

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01:30:12.140 --> 01:30:15.560
long lasting remission, no matter which condition you're managing.

1708
01:30:16.220 --> 01:30:18.319
Well, as you say, we're trying to find that balance

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01:30:18.380 --> 01:30:22.279
in our gut, right? And so that we can handle

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01:30:23.119 --> 01:30:28.250
different foods and our body can operate optimally all things considered.

1711
01:30:28.670 --> 01:30:29.689
So how do we do that?

1712
01:30:30.890 --> 01:30:32.909
Yeah, so definitely it can be a little bit of

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01:30:32.979 --> 01:30:36.779
a balancing act, but gut friendly recipes, the recipes are

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01:30:36.819 --> 01:30:41.000
really built around what really works for people with these conditions.

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01:30:41.060 --> 01:30:45.279
So for example, things like soft lean proteins to provide

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01:30:45.319 --> 01:30:48.000
the building blocks that your body needs to heal and

1717
01:30:48.060 --> 01:30:51.569
repair the gut. Also vegetables prepared in ways that are

1718
01:30:51.609 --> 01:30:53.670
nice and soft. So they kind of glide right through

1719
01:30:53.710 --> 01:30:56.680
the gut. versus rubbing up against those sores or that

1720
01:30:56.779 --> 01:31:01.300
irritated gut tissue. And then also healthy fats, fruits you

1721
01:31:01.319 --> 01:31:03.899
can blend into smoothies so that they're a lot easier

1722
01:31:03.970 --> 01:31:08.289
to break down and gentle greens and starches. So ultimately

1723
01:31:08.369 --> 01:31:11.470
really taking the guesswork and the stress out of what

1724
01:31:11.529 --> 01:31:16.949
to eat and turning it into really sustainable, practical, flavorful

1725
01:31:17.029 --> 01:31:20.100
meals that are not only appropriate just for people with

1726
01:31:20.220 --> 01:31:22.560
gut issues, but really the entire family.

1727
01:31:22.579 --> 01:31:26.210
Right, exactly. You know, you're such a blessing. You know,

1728
01:31:26.229 --> 01:31:28.909
the information that you're bringing for people that suffer from

1729
01:31:28.949 --> 01:31:33.930
Crohn's disease and other, you know, other issues, other gut issues.

1730
01:31:34.189 --> 01:31:36.729
So let's talk about the recipes that you have with

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01:31:36.789 --> 01:31:39.590
us today. And why did you choose these recipes?

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01:31:40.510 --> 01:31:40.770
Yes.

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01:31:40.869 --> 01:31:44.350
So today I have four gut friendly recipes here, and

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01:31:44.409 --> 01:31:47.260
they each really show how small changes can make a

1735
01:31:47.300 --> 01:31:51.239
big difference in digestibility. So first up is that smoothie.

1736
01:31:51.319 --> 01:31:55.619
So the orange, mango and strawberry smoothie. And as I mentioned, fruits,

1737
01:31:55.659 --> 01:31:58.279
when they're blended into a smoothie, it helps to break

1738
01:31:58.319 --> 01:32:00.810
down the fiber. So it's a lot easier on the gut,

1739
01:32:00.890 --> 01:32:04.789
less likely to cause friction and mechanical irritation to that

1740
01:32:04.850 --> 01:32:08.449
gut lining when it's inflamed. We also have an omelet

1741
01:32:08.470 --> 01:32:11.670
here with basil and tomatoes. And eggs are such a

1742
01:32:11.729 --> 01:32:15.039
great soft protein. The tomatoes are cooked so that they

1743
01:32:15.079 --> 01:32:17.560
are nice and gentle on the gut compared to raw.

1744
01:32:18.140 --> 01:32:21.699
We also have a chicken pita here with lean chicken

1745
01:32:21.779 --> 01:32:25.600
breast and finely chopped vegetables. which are generally better tolerated

1746
01:32:25.640 --> 01:32:28.960
than something like a big raw salad, for example. And

1747
01:32:29.000 --> 01:32:31.880
then last but not least, we have a grilled salmon

1748
01:32:31.920 --> 01:32:35.770
with salsa verde. And salmon in particular is really rich

1749
01:32:35.930 --> 01:32:40.829
in omega-3 fatty acids, which are very anti-inflammatory, really great

1750
01:32:40.869 --> 01:32:43.449
for the gut. So as you can see, these recipes

1751
01:32:43.470 --> 01:32:45.590
here really show that you don't have to give up

1752
01:32:45.689 --> 01:32:48.750
flavor to eat in a gut-friendly way. It's not just

1753
01:32:48.850 --> 01:32:52.720
plain chicken and boiled rice. It's really tasty meals that

1754
01:32:52.800 --> 01:32:53.699
everyone can enjoy.

1755
01:32:54.270 --> 01:32:56.010
Yeah, we love that because when it gets down just

1756
01:32:56.050 --> 01:32:58.810
to boiled rice and rather boring, you know, food isn't

1757
01:32:58.869 --> 01:33:01.329
fun anymore, but it still can be fun, right?

1758
01:33:02.130 --> 01:33:04.710
Exactly, exactly. And I always like to focus on what

1759
01:33:04.750 --> 01:33:07.899
people can eat versus what we're taking away. And that's

1760
01:33:07.949 --> 01:33:11.380
exactly why I love gut-friendly recipes because it's really focusing

1761
01:33:11.539 --> 01:33:14.399
on meal ideas versus just a long list of foods

1762
01:33:14.439 --> 01:33:15.479
that people should avoid.

1763
01:33:15.500 --> 01:33:18.979
And these look pretty good. I've got options here. So

1764
01:33:19.140 --> 01:33:21.439
it's not all bad news here, Rachel Dyckman. Thank you

1765
01:33:21.460 --> 01:33:24.069
so much. Rachel, by the way, is New York City based,

1766
01:33:24.149 --> 01:33:27.180
a registered dietitian, nutritionist and a member of the Crohn's

1767
01:33:27.220 --> 01:33:32.060
and Colitis Foundation's National Scientific Advisory Committee. And we're grateful

1768
01:33:32.119 --> 01:33:36.460
that she's joined us to help us understand and how

1769
01:33:36.500 --> 01:33:39.819
to live with this. Because, of course, you know, like

1770
01:33:39.859 --> 01:33:43.180
we mentioned, number one question, people who are dealing with this,

1771
01:33:43.539 --> 01:33:44.859
they ask, what can I eat?

1772
01:33:44.939 --> 01:33:45.119
Right.

1773
01:33:46.319 --> 01:33:47.000
Exactly.

1774
01:33:47.100 --> 01:33:47.380
Yes.

1775
01:33:47.439 --> 01:33:49.520
That's one of the biggest questions and one of the

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01:33:49.539 --> 01:33:52.479
biggest daily struggles of people living with these conditions.

1777
01:33:53.399 --> 01:33:57.699
So, and this is why gut-friendly recipes help answer that

1778
01:33:57.819 --> 01:33:59.819
in a very practical sort of way, right?

1779
01:34:00.880 --> 01:34:01.600
Exactly.

1780
01:34:01.739 --> 01:34:02.270
Exactly.

1781
01:34:02.310 --> 01:34:06.390
It really gives people ideas, inspiration, and it's great because

1782
01:34:06.399 --> 01:34:09.529
you can also filter for different restrictions you may have,

1783
01:34:09.590 --> 01:34:13.989
whether you are gluten-free, dairy-free, or following a specific medical

1784
01:34:14.010 --> 01:34:17.939
therapeutic diet. You can filter for those things and find

1785
01:34:18.000 --> 01:34:21.079
recipes that will be appropriate for you and your specific

1786
01:34:21.239 --> 01:34:22.779
individual dietary needs.

1787
01:34:23.180 --> 01:34:25.020
And the thing that's so beautiful about this, Rachel, is

1788
01:34:25.239 --> 01:34:28.560
you've done all the work and you're giving them a

1789
01:34:28.600 --> 01:34:33.000
leg up on being still a little bit adventurous. As

1790
01:34:33.039 --> 01:34:36.399
we said, eating should be fun. It doesn't have to

1791
01:34:36.420 --> 01:34:40.149
be boring. So we can still have good fun with it,

1792
01:34:40.539 --> 01:34:43.579
but you've taken the guesswork out of it. And so

1793
01:34:43.640 --> 01:34:48.859
the chances of them having a positive experience, food experience,

1794
01:34:49.020 --> 01:34:51.300
is very much in their favor. And then they can

1795
01:34:51.319 --> 01:34:52.399
build off of that, right?

1796
01:34:53.399 --> 01:34:58.159
Exactly, exactly. And I always like to emphasize that food

1797
01:34:58.180 --> 01:35:01.119
is so much more than just what it is. It's

1798
01:35:01.159 --> 01:35:05.390
really connection. It is a social experience. It's enjoyment. And

1799
01:35:05.630 --> 01:35:08.029
for a lot of people with these GI conditions, they

1800
01:35:08.069 --> 01:35:10.600
feel like that enjoyment is taken away So the whole

1801
01:35:10.640 --> 01:35:13.380
goal here is to really give back that enjoyment, allow

1802
01:35:13.420 --> 01:35:17.760
them to eat flavorful, delicious foods without the irritation, without

1803
01:35:17.819 --> 01:35:20.760
all those GI symptoms. And it really shows how you

1804
01:35:20.779 --> 01:35:24.199
can make simple modifications to recipes to really make them

1805
01:35:24.239 --> 01:35:25.649
work for the entire family.

1806
01:35:25.670 --> 01:35:28.109
Now, how about, you know, you mentioned, you know, the

1807
01:35:28.149 --> 01:35:30.869
social aspect of this and you're exactly, I'm glad you

1808
01:35:30.890 --> 01:35:33.630
brought this up because people who deal with this, I mean,

1809
01:35:33.989 --> 01:35:36.510
sometimes they can be socially isolated. They just don't want

1810
01:35:36.529 --> 01:35:38.779
to go out to a restaurant or you know, deal

1811
01:35:38.800 --> 01:35:42.380
with this stuff because of what the payoff is and

1812
01:35:42.420 --> 01:35:44.939
generally hasn't been very positive. So there's a smart way

1813
01:35:44.960 --> 01:35:46.819
to be able to go to a restaurant and choose

1814
01:35:47.220 --> 01:35:50.420
the right kind of food so that you're doing things

1815
01:35:50.460 --> 01:35:51.600
that are gut friendly, right?

1816
01:35:52.510 --> 01:35:56.770
Exactly, exactly. Kind of focusing on principles such as, you know,

1817
01:35:56.909 --> 01:36:00.350
eating smaller, more frequent meals if you're having active symptoms

1818
01:36:00.390 --> 01:36:04.930
can be very helpful. Focusing on texture modification. So soft,

1819
01:36:04.949 --> 01:36:08.439
lean proteins, vegetables that are cooked, things that are peeled

1820
01:36:08.500 --> 01:36:10.579
that don't have the skin on them, which can cause,

1821
01:36:10.600 --> 01:36:14.659
you know, some irritation, smaller portions of fat eaten within

1822
01:36:14.800 --> 01:36:18.310
one sitting. So nothing too fried and overly greasy. All

1823
01:36:18.329 --> 01:36:21.989
of these things can be very helpful. Also limiting really

1824
01:36:22.090 --> 01:36:25.829
spicy spices like, you know, hot sauce and cayenne pepper

1825
01:36:25.890 --> 01:36:29.659
and pepper flakes and going more for herbs and, you know,

1826
01:36:29.760 --> 01:36:33.039
gentle seasonings that can be also very helpful and kind

1827
01:36:33.100 --> 01:36:35.989
of sticking to similar principles. can be great to just

1828
01:36:36.029 --> 01:36:37.800
keep in mind when you are eating out.

1829
01:36:38.529 --> 01:36:42.260
Well, nearly 60 million Americans, they're dealing with digestive issues.

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01:36:42.899 --> 01:36:45.880
And Rachel Dyckman has been with us, a registered dietitian

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01:36:45.899 --> 01:36:49.699
and Crohn's and colitis foundation advisor. And she's offered some

1832
01:36:49.739 --> 01:36:52.819
great recipes and there's more recipes to discover too, right?

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01:36:52.880 --> 01:36:53.600
And where can they go?

1834
01:36:54.600 --> 01:36:54.859
Yes.

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01:36:54.979 --> 01:36:58.439
So for more information and free recipes, you can go

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to gutfriendlyrecipes.org, which is on the Crohn's and colitis foundation's websites.

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And we're back with you.

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Good morning.

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For more information on the show, you can go to BillMartinezLive.com,

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and we go to Focus on the Family to talk

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with Emerson Collins, we're going to be talking about bringing

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your Bible to school day. Yes, it's coming soon. I

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got to tell you, this is one of my favorite

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parts of the year, you know, Emerson, because the kids

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professing their faith, you know, demonstrating courage and boldness amongst

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their peers. And especially now with a season of, you know,

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this anti-Christian attitude that's prevailing. But, you know, what we

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love about the young kids is they are magnetized to

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the truth, aren't they?

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That's right.

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That's right.

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Our students right now are searching for this anchor of truth, right?

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That's largely been removed from our places of learning, unfortunately.

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But the Bible is that anchor. It is that compass

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that points us in the right direction. Our students are

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so hungry for it. That's why now each year we

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have over a million students bringing their Bibles to school.

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And bring your Bible to school day. Praise the Lord.

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Yeah, really.

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You know, and the thing is, like you said, this

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is in the midst of these kids being bombarded. Social media,

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their peers... oh, it's your truth, it's my truth, and

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that sort of thing. I mean, one of the biggest

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lies to be perpetrated over the decades, I mean, this

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has been going on for way too long, I think

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at least three, if not four decades, where this relativity

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has come into play. And the reason it has is

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only so that we could do it our way instead

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of God's way. And I would say, look back at

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the last five decades. How's that working for you, your way, huh?

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Yeah, no, it hasn't worked out. We've seen In the statistics,

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in the research, right? That anxiety levels have gone up,

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that insecurities have gone through the roof, medications and whatnot

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for students, unfortunately. Bill, I just read a really sad

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statistic the other day, actually, a worrying statistic for me

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as a dad, that the earliest age, the average age, actually,

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that a student is exposed to pornography for the first

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time is eight years old.

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And that broke my heart, Bill.

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Oh, wow.

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Our culture is so, so broken. all the more reason

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for us to bring the healing balm of the gospel

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into our culture, to apply it where it's needed, to

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stand on it in the face of adversity, and to

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stand for truth amidst all of these falsehoods and lies

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that are hurting our children, that are hurting our communities.

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You know, pause and think about that for a moment,

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ladies and gentlemen. Eight years old, a child first exposed

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to pornography. I mean, what does that do to the trajectory,

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the innocence of this child? And why does that come in?

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It comes in because, you know, the devil still rules here,

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but we have a choice because of what Jesus did

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for us on the cross. You can choose the cross

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or choose, you know, to have it your way and

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fall victim and be an easy picking, you know, for

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the demonic, right? And this is totally demonic, the kid's

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eight years old. Can you imagine? I mean, that's heartbreaking.

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I have not heard that statistic before, but thank you.

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Thanks.

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Thanks.

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I want to say thanks and no thanks for bringing it.

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But I mean, seriously, thanks for bringing it because, you know,

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we can't put our head in the sand on this reality.

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That's right.

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We as Christians, especially my sleeping brothers and sisters, to

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put it in biblical terms, those who are asleep in

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their faith right now, we need to be activated for Christ, guys.

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Look at some of these headlines and see the brokenness

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in our culture.

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We need Jesus. in our world.

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Man, holy moly, just some of the recent headlines break

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my heart so much. And not only that, seeing some

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of the solidarity with sin among our culture in masses

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all just affirms to me that the gospel needs to

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be brought into our communities. We need to be more

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active in our faith as Christians, as believers. Bring Your

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Bible to School Day is one opportunity to do that.

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And we found it focused on the family, giving our

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students opportunities to share their faith, like Bring Your Bible

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to School Day or See You at the Poll, like

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we just had recently. Our National Day of Evangelism coming

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up in November, giving our students opportunities to share their

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faith while they're in the home helps them own it

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when they leave the home. And so we want to

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provide more and more of those opportunities, yes, for our students,

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but also for the communities that they're going in, that

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they're being an impact on.

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Exactly.

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Yeah, I want to encourage these young kids, not only

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bring your Bible, but be the Bible. And the way

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to be the Bible is you've got to be reading it.

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You've got to immerse yourself. in the truth, the real truth.

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I often use this example that tellers at banks, when

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they study a legitimate or illegitimate bit of currency, people think, well,

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you must study the illegitimate, right? No, their focus is

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on the legitimate so that when the illegitimate comes out,

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It comes out so glaringly. See, and I think we

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can learn a lot and appreciate a lot from that

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perspective is that if we are in the word of

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God and understand what is the legitimate word of God

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and the legitimate direction of God, it's going to be

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harder for the demonic to sway us and to be

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swayed by our peer group. That if they're not connected

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to God, then their worldview and their actions are going

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to demonstrate that, are they not?

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That's exactly right, Bill. Immerse yourself in the truth. meditate

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on God's Word, steep yourself in it. I encourage you students, yes,

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of course, bring your Bible to school on Bring Your

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Bible to School Day, but read your Bible, know your Bible.

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And if you want resources to learn how to do that,

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we have our website, bringyourbible.org, which has even conversation guides

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for some of the questions you may get that day,

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answers to tough questions about Christianity. If you're just hearing

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about Bring Your Bible to School Day right now and

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you feel unprepared, guys, it's not too late to still

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get prepared, to pray over your student, to encourage your

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student with some of the resources we have. Guys, go

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encourage this Thursday. Bring your Bible to school day and

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be a light for Christ wherever you are, however prepared

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you feel.

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God is going to use us in a mighty way.

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And guess what, Bill?

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We don't have all the answers to all the questions

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that can come. Nobody has all the answers except for

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God himself. But I encourage you guys, if a question

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does come your way and you just don't have the

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answer to it, just answer humbly. Hey, I don't know

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the answer to that, but would you like to come

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to church with me? This Sunday, we can ask my

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pastor together. It opens the door for you to invite

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this person into the life, Christian life and your Christian community,

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as well as responds in a confident, humble way.

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Yeah.

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Yeah. Sometimes when people ask you a question, you don't know,

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you go, wow, what a great question. You know, I

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wish I had a great answer for you. But honestly,

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I don't. And because I want to be honest and

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vulnerable with you. But we know that God is the

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source and God has all the answers. I mean, you know,

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the thing that's amazing to me about bring your Bible

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to school day, you know that God's hands upon this,

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because when you look at how it all started, right?

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I mean, a little over 10 years ago, what, 12

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years ago, a select few, a remnant, you might say,

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of people that really caught the idea of bringing your

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Bible to school day. And look how it's grown, you know,

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12 years later, Emerson.

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That's right. That's right. 2014 was our first year.

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8,000 students faithfully brought their Bibles to school.

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Praise the Lord. And just last year, 2025, 1.3 million

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students now bringing their Bibles. to school. So awesome to see.

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So encouraging that the Lord is capturing the hearts of

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the next generation for him, not only for themselves to

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enhance their faith, but to bring others into the fold,

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to win more souls for the kingdom. And Bill, I

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can tell you right now, I get to read some

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of these awesome stories of students who share their faith

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with their peers. and he is at work in our

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next generation.

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It's so cool.

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Church leaders are coming alongside these students, even going out

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in front of schools before the day, handing out Bibles

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and Bring Your Bible to School Day, praying over their students.

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This is a student-led movement. Many students have started worship

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groups the morning of Bring Your Bible to School Day,

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where they pull out their guitars and they're singing praises

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before they go in on the day. It is phenomenal

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to see what the Lord is doing. He is at

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work in our nation. Our nation is not lost to

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the devil by any means entirely, but There are still

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souls that are meant to be one for Christ and

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His kingdom.

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So let's do it.

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Let's bring them heaven on Bring Your Bible to School Day.

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Amen.

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We're talking to Emerson Collins. He's the Focus on the

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Families Program Manager of Parenting and Youth. Do you got

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a story or two you can share with us? I

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know you say these kids talk to you all the time.

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I mean, I'm sure our audience would love to hear some.

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Go ahead.

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Oh, Bill, I've got so many stories I'd love to

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share with you guys. Before I actually dive into the stories,

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I want to encourage you right now, if you want

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to read some of them, head on over to social

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media and use our hashtag, hashtag BringYourBible, and And you

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can see some of these stories I'll be sharing about

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in this interview, as well as beyond.

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Just be encouraged this morning. God is at work.

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But the story that comes to mind immediately is of

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a young girl who participated last year. She's in early

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high school, and she had written in the margins of

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her Bible, actually, her cries to the Lord through a

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specific favorite passage of hers that she was wrestling through

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suicidal ideation at that time. And those were her cries

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to the Lord that she had written in the margins

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of her Bible. Well, she pulled out her Bible and

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bring her Bible to school day during a free reading

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period and was just quietly reading it, and a friend

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walked by her desk and saw those notes that she

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had written in the margins of her Bible and actually

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shared with her that she was struggling with some of

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those thoughts as well. Well, this opened the door for

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her to speak life into her friend, to invite her

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friend to youth group, for her family as well to

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come alongside her friend's family. And just a couple months later,

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her friend got baptized and is now experiencing the life

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and healing in Jesus, the healing from those thoughts. Bill,

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the Word of God is living and active sharper than

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any two-edged sword. It is a beautiful, beautiful thing to behold.

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And the healing gets felt on Bring Your Bible to

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School Day. Another story actually comes to mind of young

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David who participated two years ago. He's a second grader

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in Michigan, brought his Bible to school.

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Praise the Lord.

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The teacher actually saw it on his desk and decided

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to read it for their story time.

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They read the story of Noah's Ark.

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Well, enough of his students, his fellow students were interested,

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loved the story so much. They wanted to read more

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of this Bible. And so David decided to start a

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Bible study, a little second grade Bible study where they

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play tag for 15 minutes after school, and then they

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read from his Bible together. That Bible study is still

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continuing to this day, Bill.

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Praise the Lord.

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Bringing about the school day is one day a year,

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but my prayer is that this would be the launching

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point for so many into life in Christ.

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Well, exactly, because you see the difference that it makes.

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I mean, even for a second grader, I mean, that

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is phenomenal. And, you know, so again, these are all

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indications that that God is alive and well and moving

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in the hearts of men and even second.

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Graders, right?

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Amen.

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Amen.

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I love this. This is awesome. You know, Emerson, just

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to see, you know, how bring your Bible to school day,

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how it's evolved from its early beginnings, you know, with

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an idea, you know, why not? And it was at

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a time when our faith was being attacked and we

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were told that you could not bring your Bible to school.

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How dare you? But we said, oh, no, we're going

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to go and bring our Bible to school, right?

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That's right, Bill.

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And actually, you're hinging on something that's important when it

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comes to participation in the event. It is protected under

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our First Amendment rights to share our faith boldly and

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publicly in public spheres, in our public places of learning.

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So if you're a student or a parent right now

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who thinks, oh, is it legal for me to do this?

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It is.

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It is.

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You're protected.

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Praise the Lord we're protected under the First Amendment here

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in the U.S., Our brothers and sisters across the globe,

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not all of them are protected under rights like this one,

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and they suffer because of it. So it's worth celebrating

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our First Amendment freedoms as well, enshrined, of course, in

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biblical values.

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Praise the Lord.

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But Bill, we're not interrupting the learning that's happening in

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our public schools with Bring Your Bible to School Day.

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We're calmly, confidently bringing our Bibles with us. We're not

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starting any schoolyard brawls. We're not standing on our desks.

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We're confidently bringing God's Word. We're humbly sharing it with

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our friends, as I believe Christ would. in schools today,

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and as I believe students should on Bring Your Bible

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to School Day. So again, we're protected under our First

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Amendment rights. All of this can be found on our website.

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We have a legal memo even that you can give

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to your teacher or principal ahead of time. Just print

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out and give it to them to remind them of

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your rights. Just respectfully let them know you'll be participating

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in Bring Your Bible to School Day so you can

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have a great experience on the day this Thursday.

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As we wrap things up, I'm going to give you

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the last word. Tell them where they go. Where's the

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website to get all this information?

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Yeah, if you want to get any of this information

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or resources, head on down to our website, bringyourbible.org. That's bringyourbible.org.

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We have a wealth of resources there, a poster, a flyer,

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conversation guides, the legal memo, answers to tough questions about Christianity.

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If you're a teacher, we have an educator's guide in

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terms of how you can participate as well.

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That's all on our website, bringyourbible.org.

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He's focused on the families, program manager of parenting and youth.

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Emerson Collins has been with us. Emerson, God bless. Thank

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you so much.

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Bill, thanks for having me. God bless.

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