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The Bill Martinez Show 09 25 26

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The Bill Martinez Show 09 25 26
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Are you ready?

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Yeah.

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Okay, let's do it.

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Bill Martinez Live, a program about current events, our culture,

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our values, our politics, and our future. And now, Bill Martinez.

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Hey, good morning. Welcome. Six minutes after the top of

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the hour right now. I'm Bill Martinez, former five-term congressman.

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Ken Buck is with us. We're going to talk about

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his new book, Wake Up America. But I want to

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read the inside jacket, the first paragraph for you, because

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this sets it up. It's time for American citizens to

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take back their country from the radical socialist left before

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it's too late, he writes. For over a century, the

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left has used the federal government to fund and promote

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its socialist agenda under the guise of flowery titles like

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the New Deal or Great Society. Democrat administrations have spent

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money America doesn't have on programs America doesn't even need.

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Each of these leftist causes are sold to the public

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as temporary solutions to existential threats, but their actual purpose

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is to vest more control in the federal government and

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advance the left's partisan objectives at the expense of individual liberty. Ken,

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thank you so much for coming on and for writing

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this book. I got to imagine for you, after five

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terms to serve the American people, this was not necessarily

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an easy book for you to write, but one that

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was necessary.

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It is necessary, and it's so interesting.

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I started writing this a year ago.

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I had no idea that the Democrat Socialists would be

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winning primaries in one of the two major parties. This

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isn't just a fringe idea or a fringe group. This

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has become part of mainstream American politics.

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Well, and you see what happened and what they did

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in Minneapolis and how 82,000 Somalis basically have taken over

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the entire state of Minnesota.

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Well, they certainly have a great influence. And the programs,

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the fraud that's going on in Minnesota, some in California,

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other places, but it's just unbelievable that the left is

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buying votes in the way that they are with federal

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taxpayers' money.

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Well, here we are, $ 40 trillion in debt, Ken. And

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I asked another economist, I said, the $ 40 trillion, how

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much of that involved buying votes? He said, all of it.

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And to your point, that's what you wrote in the book,

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is that essentially that's what happened. All these programs we got,

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whether it's Obamacare or the war on poverty in the mid-60s,

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I mean, it was all to buy votes.

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Absolutely.

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And what's so unfair about it is there's a lot

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of hardworking people who are paying taxes to the federal

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government And the federal government is giving that money away

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so that one side or the other can stay in power.

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And on.

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The right, we try to cut taxes. The thing about

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cutting taxes is it is equal across the board.

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If you're.

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A white waiter or a black waiter making tip income.

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That doesn't get taxed now.

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If you're a Hispanic American, white American getting Social Security,

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that doesn't get taxed now. So we've really, on the right,

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we've created something that can't sustain itself because of our

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national debt. But lower taxes are more fair than the

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picking winners and losers that the left does with their programs.

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Right.

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You know, Ken, you know, we talk about the taxpayer

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and the frustration that they endure. But I got to

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imagine for people like yourself and understanding more of your

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background and you know, as an attorney and, you know,

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going to Washington and wanting to do right for your constituents.

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And you go there on the front lines and dealing

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with the beast itself. That's a Leviathan in and of itself.

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How frustrating that must be for people like yourself and

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other good, well-intentioned congressmen and senators who want to do

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right for their constituents. And they get mired in all this,

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you know, political warfare and stuff.

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Right. It is frustrating. My issue in going to D.C.

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was to try to get spending under control. And as

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one out of 435 members in the House, it was

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very difficult to form a coalition that took that issue seriously.

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Everybody wanted to bring goodies back to their district. Everybody

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wanted a bridge named after them. Everybody wanted to spend

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the money to really buy the votes and stay in power.

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It's very difficult to run for office and say, I

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am going to give you less. You're going to have

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less Social Security. You're going to have less health care.

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You're going to have less.

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And so the federal government just keeps spending more, but

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it can't keep going on.

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Well, and look at how much the cost of running

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for any kind of elected office, how it's grown. It's

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gone exponential. And so I got to imagine that just

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adds more pressure. on a candidate to do whatever it

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takes to win the race, get the job. And as

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they say at orientation, they say, well, your number one

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job is to get reelected, right?

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Well, and that's really the problem. That's not the government

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that our founders set up. Our founders believed that people

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should go serve and return, go home, do what you

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were doing before, keep farming, Run your small business.

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Get back into your law practice.

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Whatever it is, serve and get back. You look at

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Mitch McConnell, Dianne Feinstein. Look at the people who are

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in D.C. who have made a lifetime out of this service.

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But their whole goal is to get reelected. If we

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send the right people to D.C., we may be able

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to get this debt problem under control.

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People who are willing to do the right thing and

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go home.

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Well, here it is. At the start of this new administration,

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Elon Musk partnered with the president and said, look, I

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think I can find at least a trillion dollars in

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fraud and waste, right? And they all but tarred and

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feathered him, got him out of town. Now, I got

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to say that had it been a Democrat in office

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at the time, he might have been able to pass

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beyond his expiration date.

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Well, the Democrats would never do it. That's part of

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the problem.

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Yeah, step one, you're right.

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But yeah, give credit to Elon Musk. Give credit to

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the people who helped him with Doge. If nothing else,

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it pointed out the fact that.

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We have a huge amount of waste that can be

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cut if we get the right people in office.

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Ken, is the government just too big? I mean, again,

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you mentioned the founding fathers. Founding fathers didn't expect this

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administrative state. to be developed in such a way and

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all these NGOs, I mean, this has really taken the

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hands of the consent, it's taken the consent of the

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government out of the hands of the taxpayer of the

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American citizen, has it not?

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Absolutely has, yeah.

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The founders intended for education to be handled by school

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boards at a local level, that transportation would be handled

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by states And counties and cities, maybe, you know, they

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could foresee an interstate transportation system, but not the kind

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of money that we spend now on local roads and

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all types of programs that have nothing to do with

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what the founders intended. They didn't intend that the EPA

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would be able to shut down the coal industry because

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it was not favored by a president. So we have

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grown exponentially and we need to reduce our growth by

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identifying what the federal government has to do. It has

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to deal with our national defense. It has to regulate immigration.

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It has to maintain our currency. Other things have to

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be pushed down to states that have a balanced budget,

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that have to figure out how to pay for things realistically.

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Right, exactly. And in talking about the fraud, you got J.D.

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Vance leading. He's the fraud czar for our country now.

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And he's only gone to a couple of states. And

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the billions of dollars of fraud that's being discovered, I mean,

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it's like, look, that's just one or two. We got

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48 more to go. And the indication is that if

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it's happening there, I mean, where's the end of it all?

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Yeah, it's a great point.

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We're still spending at COVID levels, even though COVID is

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in the rearview mirror, thankfully in the rearview mirror.

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Ken, let me pause you for just a second. We

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got to go to a quick break and let's pick

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it up from there. We got more from Ken Buck

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after this. Stay with us.

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Hey, we're back with you. As promised, I'm Bill Martinez.

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He's Ken Buck, former member of the U.S. House of Representatives.

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His brand new book, Wake Up, America! The Rise of

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Socialism is the Death of Freedom. All right, Ken, pick

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up where we left off. Go ahead.

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Well, I was just going to say that, you know,

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we're spending at COVID levels and we no longer have COVID.

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It is in the rearview mirror. Thankfully, it's in the

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rearview mirror.

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But we should have cut the programs, the subsidies and

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health care and other areas that that resulted from what

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we were trying to do with COVID.

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Yeah, I mean, that's been the tradition of America's political class.

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You know, I think Ronald Reagan said, you know, there's

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nothing like a bureaucracy or an entitlement. It's ever, you know,

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it's never ending, right?

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I think the quote, and it's one of my favorite quotes,

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but I think what he said was that there is

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nothing on earth that is as close to.

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Forever life for, you know.

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Right. For life everlasting or something. I know what you mean.

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Right.

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Exactly.

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I mean, that's just, it's just what it is.

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Eternal.

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That's what it was. Eternal life as a federal program.

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Right.

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Yeah.

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And, and here it is. I mean, there's no consideration

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for you again, because of your background in that. I mean,

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common sense would say, Why can't we review these things

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and say, hey, this isn't working anymore. Let's get rid

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of it. And so everything is so mixed and fixed

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that it's going to be so difficult. I don't want

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to give up. I want to be an optimist. I

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still want to be hopeful about this country. But it's

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going to require some different leadership. I think Donald Trump

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has kind of given us a little indication of what

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it takes. But we're going to need somebody else post-Donald

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Trump because we only have him for another, what, year

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and a half, two years?

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Right.

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We have a little over two years. But you're absolutely right.

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And the other thing we need to do is both

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parties need to realize this is a crisis. I can

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remember when Paul Ryan, before he was speaker, he was

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the chairman of the Budget Committee and he proposed a budget.

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that would balance in 27 years. 27 years to balance

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the budget. So it was incremental changes to our budget.

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The Democrats ran commercials where they had the figure of

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an old lady in a wheelchair pushing her off a

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cliff because that's what would happen under Paul Ryan's budget.

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It was so draconian. And that's when we had $ 13

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trillion of debt. Now we have $ 40 trillion of debt.

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Both sides are going to have to grow up and say, yes,

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we've got to deal with this debt issue.

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But how can you deal with the Democrats right now

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when they're so fractured, Ken? And being controlled by the

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hard left. I think this is a tough ask right now.

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It is a tough ask.

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And I don't know if we end up with a

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third party in the middle that starts dealing with some

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of these issues. I don't know what the answer is.

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But I do know Americans come together in times of crisis.

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after Pearl Harbor, after 9-11, and the debt, you just

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can't look at it as anything other than a crisis

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is going to happen. We didn't know that 9-11 was

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going to happen. We didn't know that Pearl Harbor was

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going to happen. We know that this debt is going

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to result in a crisis, and we've got to start

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dealing with it soon.

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But you know, Ken, that we have a lot of

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natural resources in this great country, and Trump is doing

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everything he can to leverage this. whether it's with tariffs,

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favored nation status. He is pulling a lot of tools

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out of the bag, so to speak, that heretofore, even

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Republican presidents, certainly not Democratic presidents, have done things that

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would favor the American citizen. You just mentioned no tax

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on tip, no tax on Social Security, these things that

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put money back in the pocket of the American people,

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and it wasn't discriminatory. It didn't matter if you were Republican, Democrat,

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or Independent. I kind of tease my Democrat friends and say, well,

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you keep complaining about Trump. Why don't you send that,

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you know, that free tax money back to him and

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back to the people? We'll be happy to take it

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back in our treasury.

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Yeah, I get a kick out of that also.

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People talk about, you know, the debt and how much

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they care about it. And then they go and waste money. Well,

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you know, stop wasting money. Actually contribute more if you

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care so much. and the Republicans are wasting so much money,

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then why don't you just contribute more of your own money?

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Yeah.

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And what are we going to do about Social Security?

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I mean, they're already predicting. I mean, we're going to

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be lucky to get to, you know, what, 2032 maybe?

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And then at that point, you talk about a crisis.

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You got a real crisis on your hands, and you

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know that this has been a long time coming.

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It's been a long time coming, and there were answers.

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I can remember when President George W.

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Bush, Bush 43, suggested that 20 percent, that individuals would

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be permitted to invest 20 percent of their Social Security

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payments into a trust fund, a fund that they control

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but couldn't use until they retired.

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And the left came unglued over that.

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And the reason they came unglued is everybody knows that

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the stock market has done a lot better than the

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Social Security administration has.

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In making that money rise.

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So people invested that 20% in the stock market, they

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would have a much more comfortable retirement. But the left

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couldn't handle that. They need government to be able to

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control retirements and not individuals.

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And look at how they've controlled it. They've really have

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opened up the locks box since the mid-60s. Thank you

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very much, President Johnson. And took the lock box off.

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They've been in there and they're throwing IOU chits into

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the box saying, hey, we'll pay. But they never pay.

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Right.

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Here we're running out of money. And I think that

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there's been some potential solutions. I mean, I think the

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tariff opportunity could have been it. Put some tariff money

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back in there. I think you need to maybe suspend

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some pay increases across the boards. for a period of time.

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After all, it was government officials who got raises, who

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got a pretty good program going for themselves, but a

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lot better than in the private sector, I would say.

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Well, and if you look at the days off that

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federal workers get, and when you combine it with sick

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leave and.

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Bereavement leave and annual leave.

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The person who is working at the Subway sandwich shop

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doesn't get that time off. And so we've got to

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make sure that we recognize the hardships that Americans are

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going through to pay the salaries of those people. I

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proposed years ago, that we have whatever it is, 14,

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15 days a year for holidays in this country. We

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should be giving federal workers the choice of eight of

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those 14 or eight of those 13 days and not

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all of them anymore because we just keep recognizing days

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to try to appease a particular voting bloc, again, to

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get reelected.

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You know, what does that say about this bloated government

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that somebody could leave their position for a number of days?

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And sometimes it's incomprehensible how much time off they get,

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that they're not, you know, so critical to the operation

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that you have so much duplicity in each agency to

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be able to cover the loss of an individual for

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such an incredible numbers of days. And I'm not just

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talking about days off that everybody, I'm talking about, you know,

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these special days, like you say, bereavement and all these

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other special things that they've got in their union contract.

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Right.

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Yeah, no, it's unbelievable. And again, it's out of touch

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with reality. At some point, the reality is going to hit.

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Americans are going to be even madder when they have

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to pay the bill.

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Right.

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Well, Ken Buck, as we wrap things up, we've got

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about a minute and a half left. Wake up, America.

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The rise of socialism is the death of freedom. It

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really is. I mean, it just how do you how

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do you square those two up? You know, socialism and freedom.

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It's you know, freedom is an anathema to socialism.

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Right, and the reality is you can't tax people at 60, 70,

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80% of their income without having a structure in place

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that denies people freedom, without having an enforcement mechanism. And

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that's what happened in Venezuela. They took all the guns

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away from the citizens. They developed these goon squads to

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go out and suppress dissent. And it happens in every

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single country. Cuba, every country has a repressive regime to

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be able to afford socialism.

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Well, we see it in Iran, clearly. I mean, what

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happened with Hamas, what's happening in the Middle East, you know,

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time and again, I mean, the patterns are, you know,

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very evident. It's like, okay, do you want that here

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in America?

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Yeah.

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Iran, a little bit different with a theocracy as opposed

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to socialism, but absolutely the same idea of repressive government

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in place.

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Yeah, this idea that they know better than you do,

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that a small hand of individuals can have more intelligence

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than the cumulative intelligence of, what, 340 million people? How

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do you square that up?

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Yeah, it's incredible. Bill, thanks so much for having me on.

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I really appreciate being with you.

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Well, thank you. It's been a couple of years, and

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I look forward to it. When I was told, hey,

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Ken Buck's available, I said, by all means, get him

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on the show. Let's talk about his new book, Wake

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Up America, The Rise of Socialism. It is the death

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of freedom. Thank you, Ken. Take care. God bless.

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Hey, good morning and welcome. Bill Martinez here, along with

503
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the Manhattan-based Fox News contributor, DeRoy Murdoch. Hey, DeRoy, good

504
00:27:32.819 --> 00:27:33.339
morning to you.

505
00:27:33.980 --> 00:27:34.720
I'm great, Bill. How are you?

506
00:27:35.240 --> 00:27:38.549
Hey, I'm doing good. Thank you so much. Look at

507
00:27:39.170 --> 00:27:42.690
the whole big controversy over data centers. I mean, we're

508
00:27:42.730 --> 00:27:46.369
going through this process, you know, and Trump, you know,

509
00:27:46.410 --> 00:27:49.619
to his credit, is allowing people, because he operates in

510
00:27:49.630 --> 00:27:53.460
a collaborative sort of style, his management style. He wants

511
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to get input from everybody. And he also, I think,

512
00:27:57.029 --> 00:28:00.680
understands he's very gifted in understanding the broader view of

513
00:28:00.740 --> 00:28:03.700
things as opposed to, you know, the narrative that's being

514
00:28:03.740 --> 00:28:07.000
put out there by the mainstream media or Democrats all

515
00:28:07.019 --> 00:28:11.180
for the sake of politicization. You know, really not coming

516
00:28:11.269 --> 00:28:13.890
to a solution that would be win win because now.

517
00:28:14.369 --> 00:28:17.390
what you see happening in this debate is some of

518
00:28:17.430 --> 00:28:21.140
the old arguments are coming back to form. And particularly,

519
00:28:21.200 --> 00:28:23.640
I mean, you look at what happened with the debate

520
00:28:23.839 --> 00:28:30.059
over nuclear development, and we gave it up, and not Russia,

521
00:28:30.099 --> 00:28:31.880
but China said, thank you very much. We'll take it

522
00:28:31.900 --> 00:28:32.259
from here.

523
00:28:33.480 --> 00:28:35.539
Absolutely right. That's right. Yeah, well, that's a lot of

524
00:28:35.559 --> 00:28:38.809
what's going on here. And we've got President Trump, who's

525
00:28:39.009 --> 00:28:42.849
in favor of artificial intelligence, or he calls it SI superintelligence.

526
00:28:42.869 --> 00:28:45.269
Maybe that makes sense, because the word artificial sounds fake,

527
00:28:45.309 --> 00:28:47.009
and there's kind of a negative aspect to that, so

528
00:28:47.029 --> 00:28:49.150
maybe you should call it superintelligence. And so he's been

529
00:28:49.390 --> 00:28:50.819
in favor of that, and he's been in favor of

530
00:28:50.859 --> 00:28:53.519
approving data centers and so forth. And there's been a

531
00:28:53.519 --> 00:28:55.660
lot of opposition to this, which has really exploded over

532
00:28:55.680 --> 00:28:57.980
the last probably three, four months. I mean, you and

533
00:28:58.000 --> 00:28:59.839
I would not have had this discussion six months ago,

534
00:28:59.859 --> 00:29:01.599
because it's not an issue now. It's one of the

535
00:29:01.619 --> 00:29:04.009
biggest issues out there. And as always, you've got the

536
00:29:04.049 --> 00:29:06.089
left saying, we can't have this, this is terrible, it's

537
00:29:06.109 --> 00:29:08.190
the end of the world, oh my God. The same

538
00:29:08.230 --> 00:29:10.779
people who you know, six, nine months ago were screaming

539
00:29:10.799 --> 00:29:13.900
and yelling about global warming and climate change. We're all

540
00:29:13.920 --> 00:29:15.759
going to boil over. You don't hear much about that.

541
00:29:15.799 --> 00:29:18.359
That issue's sort of evaporated. And I was, oh my God,

542
00:29:18.380 --> 00:29:21.960
data centers, data centers are going to kill us. They've

543
00:29:22.009 --> 00:29:23.269
got to have something, DeRoy.

544
00:29:23.589 --> 00:29:26.369
It's got to be something to complain about. If it's not,

545
00:29:26.509 --> 00:29:29.430
you know, the color of your skin, then it's, you know,

546
00:29:29.450 --> 00:29:33.029
it's global warming. It's some other green event, you know,

547
00:29:33.089 --> 00:29:35.369
that is the card that they've got to play. And

548
00:29:35.390 --> 00:29:38.309
of course, they're going full hilt because uh as we

549
00:29:38.670 --> 00:29:43.299
you know careen closer to the the midterms right yeah.

550
00:29:43.099 --> 00:29:44.819
You know leave to the left they're not able to

551
00:29:44.839 --> 00:29:47.039
the concept don't worry be happy doesn't exist to them

552
00:29:47.059 --> 00:29:49.319
they're always upset about something you know he's angry or

553
00:29:49.380 --> 00:29:52.440
terrified or both of something and and of course yeah

554
00:29:52.480 --> 00:29:54.880
they're they're using this as an issue in the midterms

555
00:29:54.900 --> 00:29:59.240
for sure And I did a piece recently for American Spectator,

556
00:29:59.279 --> 00:30:02.579
headlined Data Centers, Where Modern Life Lives. So that is

557
00:30:02.619 --> 00:30:05.019
the campaign against server farms comes with a complimentary trip

558
00:30:05.059 --> 00:30:07.119
back to the analog age. And I make the very

559
00:30:07.160 --> 00:30:10.140
simple point that data centers are not some brand new,

560
00:30:11.059 --> 00:30:13.869
newfangled technology that's come along and is wiping people out.

561
00:30:13.900 --> 00:30:16.529
This is something we've had probably going back 30 or

562
00:30:16.529 --> 00:30:18.950
40 years. You and I, and maybe some of our

563
00:30:18.970 --> 00:30:21.650
listeners are old enough to remember the days when on

564
00:30:21.670 --> 00:30:24.079
a Friday afternoon, You had to take your paycheck or

565
00:30:24.200 --> 00:30:27.240
whatever money you had and cash your checks, get your

566
00:30:27.279 --> 00:30:29.960
money from a teller physically handed to you. And that's

567
00:30:30.029 --> 00:30:31.349
all the money you had for the weekend. So if

568
00:30:31.369 --> 00:30:32.670
you plan to go out and see friends or go

569
00:30:32.690 --> 00:30:35.269
to parties or whatever it is, and you happen to

570
00:30:35.869 --> 00:30:37.869
run out of money on Friday night, well, guess what?

571
00:30:37.930 --> 00:30:40.430
You had to stay home and have Top Ramen on

572
00:30:40.450 --> 00:30:42.130
Saturday and Sunday because you couldn't get any money until

573
00:30:42.150 --> 00:30:44.500
the bank reopened. Well, guess what? Right around the early 80s,

574
00:30:44.509 --> 00:30:47.690
I remember I was in high school, this new thing

575
00:30:47.730 --> 00:30:49.869
came along called automatic teller machines. And all of a sudden,

576
00:30:49.930 --> 00:30:52.170
instead of having it show up and get money from

577
00:30:52.190 --> 00:30:53.430
the bank when the bank is open. You can get

578
00:30:54.029 --> 00:30:55.650
money anytime you want it, around the clock. And all

579
00:30:55.670 --> 00:30:57.529
of a sudden, if you ran out of cash on

580
00:30:58.049 --> 00:31:00.950
Friday at 11.30 p.m., you could go to the ATM

581
00:31:00.970 --> 00:31:03.980
at 11.35, get as much money you wanted, and keep going. Now,

582
00:31:04.039 --> 00:31:06.400
the ATM machine where you pull the money out, that

583
00:31:06.420 --> 00:31:08.440
has no idea how much money you have. That's tied

584
00:31:08.500 --> 00:31:10.359
to a computer that knows what your balance is and

585
00:31:10.380 --> 00:31:12.700
will let you take out more money than you have

586
00:31:12.720 --> 00:31:15.049
in your account. And guess what? That computer is sitting

587
00:31:15.069 --> 00:31:16.789
at a data center. So we've had these things going

588
00:31:16.829 --> 00:31:19.970
back probably since the Reagan days. So this is nothing new.

589
00:31:20.490 --> 00:31:22.890
And if the left gets what they want, we don't

590
00:31:22.910 --> 00:31:25.900
have data centers anymore. Well, that's fine. You can say

591
00:31:25.920 --> 00:31:32.140
goodbye to things like online banking, you know, JPMorganChase.com or BankOfAmerica.com.

592
00:31:32.640 --> 00:31:35.039
Online trading, if you want to do E-Trade or Charles Schwab,

593
00:31:35.109 --> 00:31:38.509
that disappears. You want to pay your friends for dinner

594
00:31:38.529 --> 00:31:41.829
you had and split the bill. Venmo goes away. Zelle

595
00:31:41.869 --> 00:31:45.569
goes away. Your entire iPhone turns into a cute little

596
00:31:45.589 --> 00:31:48.359
piece of plastic that does nothing. No more Gmail. No

597
00:31:48.380 --> 00:31:50.980
more YouTube. No more Netflix. If you want to check

598
00:31:51.019 --> 00:31:55.000
your medical records, my chart disappears. WebMD isn't there to

599
00:31:55.059 --> 00:31:58.180
tell you how to treat whatever illness you have. You

600
00:31:58.200 --> 00:32:01.079
want to buy some clothes on Amazon, that's not there.

601
00:32:01.099 --> 00:32:03.690
You want to buy some vintage stuff on eBay, eBay's gone.

602
00:32:04.349 --> 00:32:07.309
If you're dating and you're into Match.com or Hint or

603
00:32:07.349 --> 00:32:10.150
Tinder or Grindr, that goes away. Want to take a

604
00:32:10.190 --> 00:32:12.660
ride somewhere, no more Uber, no more Lyft. And if

605
00:32:12.680 --> 00:32:13.720
you want to tell your friends what you did over

606
00:32:13.740 --> 00:32:15.720
the weekend, guess what? You better call them up on

607
00:32:15.740 --> 00:32:18.660
the phone because Instagram is gone. Facebook isn't there. No

608
00:32:18.700 --> 00:32:21.440
more TikTok. So we take these things for granted, all

609
00:32:21.480 --> 00:32:24.740
of these things we use in the modern age. And

610
00:32:25.220 --> 00:32:27.339
people may think, hey, when I go on my laptop

611
00:32:27.380 --> 00:32:29.740
or go on my cell phone, that all that stuff

612
00:32:29.779 --> 00:32:32.599
is sitting inside your laptop or sitting inside your phone. No,

613
00:32:32.619 --> 00:32:35.089
that stuff's not sitting there. Your laptop and your phone

614
00:32:35.119 --> 00:32:37.970
connect to those things. But those things, all those services

615
00:32:38.009 --> 00:32:40.269
we use every single day as part of Life in

616
00:32:40.309 --> 00:32:43.319
America in 2026, Those things are all operating on data centers.

617
00:32:43.380 --> 00:32:46.359
So I really wish that people, A, would understand that,

618
00:32:46.380 --> 00:32:48.579
and B, to the degree people need to be educated

619
00:32:48.640 --> 00:32:51.220
on this, the data center companies, the AI companies need

620
00:32:51.240 --> 00:32:54.660
to step up, as James Brown's wonderful song says, get up,

621
00:32:54.720 --> 00:32:56.970
get into it, get involved, and explain this to people,

622
00:32:56.990 --> 00:32:58.809
because I don't think most people understand this. And the

623
00:32:58.829 --> 00:33:01.990
data center companies are spending $ 670 billion, or the B,

624
00:33:01.990 --> 00:33:07.009
$ 670 billion, AI companies are spending on data centers and

625
00:33:07.029 --> 00:33:09.960
all this infrastructure. If they spent one-tenth of 1% of that,

626
00:33:09.980 --> 00:33:14.700
that's $ 670 million. They could mount an education PR and

627
00:33:14.799 --> 00:33:17.599
advertising campaign on this, tell people what data centers do,

628
00:33:17.660 --> 00:33:21.559
why they are completely integral to our way of life today.

629
00:33:22.049 --> 00:33:24.009
And I think a lot of the opposition would begin

630
00:33:24.069 --> 00:33:27.710
to disappear. Unfortunately, they're not involved. They don't say anything.

631
00:33:27.750 --> 00:33:30.349
The data center companies are totally silent as they're having

632
00:33:30.369 --> 00:33:34.009
their heads beaten in. And AI companies, I'm just starting

633
00:33:34.029 --> 00:33:36.809
to see a little bit of communications with regular consumers,

634
00:33:36.869 --> 00:33:39.380
but 99% of what they do is just talking to

635
00:33:39.400 --> 00:33:42.710
each other and using, you know, techno speak and referring

636
00:33:42.730 --> 00:33:45.950
to things like AI inference and something that's agentic. And

637
00:33:45.990 --> 00:33:47.490
you and I, nobody knows, no one has an idea

638
00:33:47.509 --> 00:33:49.509
what this stuff means. I mean, unless you went to

639
00:33:49.930 --> 00:33:53.009
Caltech or you're in Silicon Valley sitting in one of

640
00:33:53.029 --> 00:33:55.119
these companies, you have no idea what those terms mean.

641
00:33:55.470 --> 00:33:58.200
And they really have got to communicate with the regular folks,

642
00:33:58.259 --> 00:34:01.980
regular consumers. And here's how AI and super intelligentsia or

643
00:34:02.059 --> 00:34:06.450
data centers are making your life simpler, better, making you

644
00:34:06.619 --> 00:34:11.340
more prosperous, more healthy, better looking, sexier, whatever it may be.

645
00:34:11.900 --> 00:34:13.940
And I'm not hearing much of that communication, which is

646
00:34:14.019 --> 00:34:17.659
why people like AOC and Bernie Sanders and Palo Rico

647
00:34:17.699 --> 00:34:20.219
and El Cid are running off with the AI and

648
00:34:21.059 --> 00:34:25.250
data center issues. And unfortunately, that industry and those facilities

649
00:34:25.309 --> 00:34:27.190
are huffing and puffing, trying to keep up.

650
00:34:27.949 --> 00:34:31.409
Exactly. Well, and of course, the mainstream media is championing

651
00:34:31.429 --> 00:34:34.690
the cause with the Democrats as well. Case in point here,

652
00:34:34.750 --> 00:34:38.460
as you write, On January 3rd, the voters of Monterey Park, California,

653
00:34:38.559 --> 00:34:41.400
just east of downtown L.A., which you and I are

654
00:34:41.480 --> 00:34:46.050
very familiar with, they approved a permanent moratorium on data centers.

655
00:34:46.070 --> 00:34:46.590
Think about that.

656
00:34:46.869 --> 00:34:47.250
Permanent.

657
00:34:47.650 --> 00:34:50.050
Now, the ballot measure passed by a margin of 86%

658
00:34:50.050 --> 00:34:56.590
to 14%, which is really an indication of just how

659
00:34:56.789 --> 00:35:01.320
effective a one-sided argument led by the mainstream media, how

660
00:35:01.400 --> 00:35:02.460
successful they've been.

661
00:35:02.460 --> 00:35:02.679
86% to 14%.

662
00:35:02.679 --> 00:35:02.880
Mm-hmm.

663
00:35:05.449 --> 00:35:05.980
Case closed.

664
00:35:06.000 --> 00:35:07.900
Joe Stalin wishes he had numbers like that, right?

665
00:35:08.239 --> 00:35:12.340
Exactly. Yeah. You know, so, but, but, but the disaster

666
00:35:12.380 --> 00:35:16.039
of all this is that, uh, here, Monterey park, they

667
00:35:16.079 --> 00:35:20.300
got duped into voting this in and what will this

668
00:35:20.409 --> 00:35:22.030
end up costing them in the long run?

669
00:35:23.489 --> 00:35:26.469
Well, you know, um, it will end up costing them jobs. Uh,

670
00:35:26.510 --> 00:35:29.340
by total coincidence, I went to, uh, I went to

671
00:35:29.360 --> 00:35:32.199
school with somebody who worked on that project, and he

672
00:35:32.239 --> 00:35:34.059
told me, yeah, I mentioned this, because, yeah, that was

673
00:35:34.099 --> 00:35:35.800
our project. And he told me that a lot of

674
00:35:35.820 --> 00:35:39.469
people who were relying on it for jobs in construction,

675
00:35:40.389 --> 00:35:44.150
in electricians to build these data centers, you need electricians,

676
00:35:44.170 --> 00:35:47.250
you need plumbers, you need carpenters, you need all the

677
00:35:47.289 --> 00:35:49.510
people who do regular construction, same as you build a

678
00:35:49.530 --> 00:35:51.840
warehouse or whatever else. And then you need specialists who

679
00:35:51.860 --> 00:35:55.420
can put in the electrical gear and the computer systems

680
00:35:55.460 --> 00:35:57.420
and all that. Those are people who are more engineers

681
00:35:57.440 --> 00:35:59.769
and that kind of thing. Anyway, those jobs aren't going

682
00:35:59.789 --> 00:36:02.409
to be there. They're gone. And any permanent jobs related

683
00:36:02.429 --> 00:36:04.150
to running a facility are not going to be there.

684
00:36:04.530 --> 00:36:06.409
And a lot of the jobs, apparently it doesn't take

685
00:36:06.429 --> 00:36:07.730
a whole lot of people to run a data center.

686
00:36:07.750 --> 00:36:10.610
It's not super labor intensive. But you sure need people

687
00:36:10.650 --> 00:36:12.769
to build them. And people say, well, those are just

688
00:36:12.869 --> 00:36:16.949
temporary jobs. Well, guess what? Every single solitary construction job

689
00:36:16.989 --> 00:36:19.409
is temporary. The people who built the Empire State Building,

690
00:36:19.510 --> 00:36:23.500
I walked by it just earlier today. That was a

691
00:36:23.500 --> 00:36:26.519
temporary job. People who built the Hoover Dam, those are

692
00:36:26.559 --> 00:36:28.840
temporary jobs. And people who built the Waldorf Astoria Hotel,

693
00:36:28.960 --> 00:36:31.780
those are temporary jobs. But, you know, you get two

694
00:36:31.820 --> 00:36:34.639
or three temporary jobs lined up a year or you

695
00:36:34.659 --> 00:36:36.789
work on a big project like I'm sure data center

696
00:36:36.809 --> 00:36:38.730
takes months or years to build. And guess what? You're

697
00:36:38.750 --> 00:36:41.809
employed for that period. The temporary job ends and move

698
00:36:41.849 --> 00:36:43.550
on to the next temporary job. And that's how you

699
00:36:44.110 --> 00:36:46.610
build and conduct your career if you're in construction or

700
00:36:46.650 --> 00:36:49.230
engineering or that sort of thing. So the idea that

701
00:36:49.250 --> 00:36:53.780
these are just temporary jobs, that's a total non-argument. That's foolish.

702
00:36:53.840 --> 00:36:56.960
Every movie set since the days of Charlie Chaplin has

703
00:36:56.980 --> 00:36:59.579
been filled with temporary jobs. So you line up your

704
00:36:59.599 --> 00:37:01.260
temporary jobs in that kind of industry, and that's how

705
00:37:01.280 --> 00:37:01.559
you work.

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That's 800-506-4885. Hey, welcome back. Bill Martinez here with the

760
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Manhattan-based Fox News contributor, Roy Murdoch.

761
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You know, DeRoy, they talk about temporary jobs, but, you know,

762
00:41:14.960 --> 00:41:18.179
they always say that. But then they forget that. Guess what? Oh, yeah,

763
00:41:18.199 --> 00:41:22.889
that's right. Data centers require maintenance. So those maintenance jobs

764
00:41:23.090 --> 00:41:25.989
are going to be like, you know, the modern 21st

765
00:41:26.070 --> 00:41:27.690
century HVAC jobs.

766
00:41:27.769 --> 00:41:27.989
Right.

767
00:41:28.349 --> 00:41:30.690
And look at look at people in the HVAC industry.

768
00:41:31.030 --> 00:41:34.150
How successful. I mean, it's a recession proof job.

769
00:41:35.869 --> 00:41:36.269
Absolutely.

770
00:41:36.590 --> 00:41:36.769
Yeah.

771
00:41:36.829 --> 00:41:40.539
And these these data centers do need. HVAC equipment, as

772
00:41:40.559 --> 00:41:42.000
you say, that stuff probably wears out and has to

773
00:41:42.019 --> 00:41:44.539
be replaced. Sometimes it breaks down. It's got to be maintained.

774
00:41:44.579 --> 00:41:48.119
So you certainly have people working in repairs and maintenance

775
00:41:48.159 --> 00:41:50.320
and that kind of stuff. And I think about the

776
00:41:50.340 --> 00:41:52.820
jobs are not necessarily specifically at the data center, but

777
00:41:52.840 --> 00:41:55.780
the people building the air conditioning systems and people building

778
00:41:55.800 --> 00:41:58.739
the lights and people who produce the wire and all

779
00:41:58.800 --> 00:42:01.369
these servers and all of the gear and equipment that

780
00:42:01.789 --> 00:42:04.650
go into those facilities. Those people have jobs at the

781
00:42:04.710 --> 00:42:07.349
factories and produce that stuff. If that demand goes away,

782
00:42:07.369 --> 00:42:10.409
they need fewer workers, and those people either get fired,

783
00:42:10.429 --> 00:42:12.170
they don't get hired, they don't get promoted, they don't

784
00:42:12.210 --> 00:42:14.349
get raises. Whereas if they have a lot of business

785
00:42:14.409 --> 00:42:17.119
and they're staying busy creating these products that go into

786
00:42:17.139 --> 00:42:20.679
the data centers, they're hiring people, they're promoting people, they're

787
00:42:20.699 --> 00:42:23.059
paying people more money, and that's all good. And those

788
00:42:23.099 --> 00:42:24.559
are people who are not even at the data centers.

789
00:42:24.579 --> 00:42:28.300
They're upstream producing equipment that goes into those facilities. And

790
00:42:28.480 --> 00:42:29.780
we want more of that, not less of that.

791
00:42:30.409 --> 00:42:32.329
Yeah, one of the big complaints, DeRoy, that we heard

792
00:42:32.389 --> 00:42:35.949
last week is, oh, the noise. Have you... Have you

793
00:42:36.489 --> 00:42:38.570
yourself been able to experience the kind of noise that

794
00:42:38.590 --> 00:42:39.469
they're complaining about?

795
00:42:39.489 --> 00:42:42.889
I've not. I've not visited a data center, which is

796
00:42:42.909 --> 00:42:44.250
something I'd like to do in the near future. And

797
00:42:44.550 --> 00:42:46.210
one of the simple things that these guys could try

798
00:42:46.250 --> 00:42:48.510
to do to improve their public image is just bring

799
00:42:48.530 --> 00:42:51.239
some journalists like you and me and our colleagues for

800
00:42:51.260 --> 00:42:52.780
a tour and say, hey, guess what? This is what

801
00:42:52.820 --> 00:42:54.949
a data center looks like. This is what it sounds like.

802
00:42:55.300 --> 00:42:57.380
We can tell people, yeah, they're very loud or no,

803
00:42:57.400 --> 00:42:59.679
they're quiet or, you know, they're loud from a distance

804
00:42:59.699 --> 00:43:01.579
of 100 feet, but you walk 150 feet away, you

805
00:43:01.599 --> 00:43:02.820
don't hear them. I don't know the answer to your question,

806
00:43:02.840 --> 00:43:05.059
but that's one way to explain it in a simple

807
00:43:05.079 --> 00:43:07.420
way that the data centers could get answers to help

808
00:43:07.440 --> 00:43:09.860
people understand these things is quite simply to bring in

809
00:43:09.880 --> 00:43:12.409
journalists and conduct tours of the set and the public,

810
00:43:12.449 --> 00:43:14.929
you know, people, public leaders and other folks in the

811
00:43:14.969 --> 00:43:17.010
community who are concerned and let them see what they

812
00:43:17.030 --> 00:43:19.849
look like. And very often I think people, whether it's

813
00:43:20.110 --> 00:43:24.699
whatever industry is, and you see hard working people producing

814
00:43:24.820 --> 00:43:27.239
the products and delivering the services on which we rely

815
00:43:27.900 --> 00:43:29.920
very often, a lot of these fears disappear because you

816
00:43:29.960 --> 00:43:34.889
see that the places are not as loud, dirty, uh, disgusting, polluting, nasty, whatever,

817
00:43:35.070 --> 00:43:37.289
as people are led to believe. And in fact, there

818
00:43:37.309 --> 00:43:39.860
are a lot of efforts to minimize noise, minimize pollution,

819
00:43:39.880 --> 00:43:42.400
minimize wear and tear on the environment, whatever it is.

820
00:43:43.840 --> 00:43:46.400
People can say they're satisfied or not satisfied at that

821
00:43:46.460 --> 00:43:49.920
level of attention, but it's almost never as bad as

822
00:43:49.960 --> 00:43:50.679
the critics say it is.

823
00:43:51.340 --> 00:43:53.280
Well, exactly. And the thing that's interesting that you bring

824
00:43:53.340 --> 00:43:56.869
up here is that the nature of these uber intellectuals,

825
00:43:57.889 --> 00:44:01.489
you know, they're non-social by nature, and they don't know

826
00:44:01.550 --> 00:44:06.159
how to communicate with everyday Americans. They need an R2-D2

827
00:44:06.199 --> 00:44:09.400
to come in and say, okay, let's tell the story here.

828
00:44:09.800 --> 00:44:11.639
I know you get it. You think it's the greatest

829
00:44:11.659 --> 00:44:14.440
thing since sliced toast, but, you know, the message is

830
00:44:14.519 --> 00:44:17.119
not being carried. The wrong message is being carried because

831
00:44:17.599 --> 00:44:20.079
you don't know how to communicate or you're not, you know,

832
00:44:20.099 --> 00:44:22.360
you just say, why should I bother? You know, these

833
00:44:22.969 --> 00:44:26.449
these knuckleheads they're not smart enough to really understand but

834
00:44:26.510 --> 00:44:28.630
you know the fact the matter is is the people

835
00:44:28.769 --> 00:44:32.239
need to understand enough to know that kind of like

836
00:44:32.260 --> 00:44:35.320
when electricity came into being you know you didn't need

837
00:44:35.400 --> 00:44:37.800
to know exactly how the wires worked and why the

838
00:44:37.840 --> 00:44:40.239
bulbs lit up and why they didn't all you need

839
00:44:40.260 --> 00:44:42.389
to know was at least teach them that if you

840
00:44:42.409 --> 00:44:44.610
go there see that switch there you turn the switch

841
00:44:44.710 --> 00:44:47.530
up and the lights go on isn't that wonderful you.

842
00:44:47.070 --> 00:44:49.369
Know And all of a sudden when the sun goes down,

843
00:44:49.389 --> 00:44:50.349
it's not the end of the day, you know?

844
00:44:50.630 --> 00:44:53.369
And the dogs didn't die and the goldfish kept swimming,

845
00:44:53.650 --> 00:44:54.590
you know, right?

846
00:44:54.969 --> 00:44:55.449
Absolutely.

847
00:44:55.469 --> 00:44:55.650
Yeah.

848
00:44:55.849 --> 00:44:58.150
And I'm sure when people said, Hey, there's this new

849
00:44:58.170 --> 00:45:00.250
thing called natural gas. We're going to put pipes into

850
00:45:00.269 --> 00:45:03.030
your house and you know, you can cook and heat

851
00:45:03.070 --> 00:45:04.690
up your house. Now there's a chance it'll blow up

852
00:45:04.730 --> 00:45:07.289
and destroy your house. I'm not sure people were a

853
00:45:07.289 --> 00:45:09.239
bit scared by that. And I guess maybe they learned

854
00:45:09.280 --> 00:45:10.840
after a while that, yeah, that happens a couple of

855
00:45:10.860 --> 00:45:12.440
times a year, but it's not like it happens three

856
00:45:12.480 --> 00:45:14.619
times a day. And we got used to the concept

857
00:45:14.659 --> 00:45:17.090
of natural gas in our homes, of course. And you're right.

858
00:45:17.130 --> 00:45:20.329
You know, when people hear from AOC and from Bernie

859
00:45:20.369 --> 00:45:22.929
Sanders and people on the left that data centers are

860
00:45:22.969 --> 00:45:25.230
terrible and this is where Satan lives and, you know,

861
00:45:25.250 --> 00:45:28.000
they're probably torturing babies inside and on and on. And

862
00:45:28.019 --> 00:45:30.820
then you wait to hear the response of data centers like, no,

863
00:45:30.860 --> 00:45:32.639
we don't do that. We're doing good things for community.

864
00:45:32.760 --> 00:45:34.639
And they don't hear those things. What they hear is silence.

865
00:45:35.039 --> 00:45:38.219
They hear absolutely less than crickets. And they go, oh,

866
00:45:38.239 --> 00:45:40.039
I guess it is true. They really are torturing kids.

867
00:45:40.079 --> 00:45:42.679
And that's where Satan lives inside data centers. So I

868
00:45:42.699 --> 00:45:46.070
don't– I fault the data centers for not stepping up

869
00:45:46.130 --> 00:45:47.650
and saying something. I mean, even if it were an

870
00:45:48.110 --> 00:45:50.929
incoherent message like the AI company's message just to their

871
00:45:50.949 --> 00:45:53.590
own techno people, at least they're saying something. The data

872
00:45:53.610 --> 00:45:56.130
center companies, as far as I can gather, are just silent.

873
00:45:56.190 --> 00:46:00.170
I did see one data center executive on Fox News

874
00:46:00.210 --> 00:46:02.730
defending his industry, but I've yet to see him. any

875
00:46:02.789 --> 00:46:07.099
kind of an ad campaign on this. And I've said

876
00:46:07.119 --> 00:46:08.940
to folks, I've spoken to a number of people in

877
00:46:08.960 --> 00:46:10.300
the industry, I said, you guys need to be on

878
00:46:10.380 --> 00:46:13.119
air at least as often as Mike Lindell used to

879
00:46:13.159 --> 00:46:14.940
be with the MyPillow ads. I mean, I'm here at

880
00:46:14.960 --> 00:46:17.750
Fox News. He no longer advertises with us since he

881
00:46:17.769 --> 00:46:19.940
has his own channel. But when he did advertise with us,

882
00:46:20.210 --> 00:46:24.530
he was in every single solitary commercial segment. Every time

883
00:46:24.550 --> 00:46:26.280
we went to a break, There was an ad for

884
00:46:26.320 --> 00:46:29.219
Mike Lindell. So that goes on air with us probably six, seven,

885
00:46:29.239 --> 00:46:32.099
eight times per hour. They need to be at that

886
00:46:32.179 --> 00:46:35.460
level of saturation. I think if they do that and

887
00:46:35.500 --> 00:46:37.699
explain a lot of what we're talking about, I think

888
00:46:37.719 --> 00:46:39.880
they'll start to turn this issue around in probably a

889
00:46:39.889 --> 00:46:41.949
matter of weeks or a month or two. But if

890
00:46:41.969 --> 00:46:43.510
they sit there in silence, all they're going to get

891
00:46:43.550 --> 00:46:46.550
is continue to get hit over the head by the left.

892
00:46:47.130 --> 00:46:50.570
And then we're going to end up losing this race,

893
00:46:51.050 --> 00:46:54.449
and we're going to acquiesce it to the Chinese. I mean,

894
00:46:54.469 --> 00:46:57.170
the thing is, you know, the likes of Sanders and

895
00:46:57.349 --> 00:47:03.059
AOC and Talafrico, they ought to be assigned to the

896
00:47:03.139 --> 00:47:04.360
Flat Earth Society.

897
00:47:04.380 --> 00:47:08.239
That's exactly right. Yeah, if they weren't upset about this,

898
00:47:08.260 --> 00:47:12.239
they'd be complaining about something else. I mean, I'm just saying, yeah.

899
00:47:12.519 --> 00:47:15.900
Yeah, I mean, is that unfair? I mean, you talk

900
00:47:15.940 --> 00:47:20.070
about in your data centers where modern life lives, and

901
00:47:20.110 --> 00:47:22.250
what do they want to do? I mean, you had

902
00:47:22.289 --> 00:47:24.349
Joe Biden, oh, they want to put you back in chains.

903
00:47:24.590 --> 00:47:26.670
They want to take you back to the dark ages. Well,

904
00:47:27.269 --> 00:47:30.480
this is what the Democrats are doing with this, and

905
00:47:30.500 --> 00:47:36.940
they're putting us at a disadvantage without even doing their homework.

906
00:47:36.960 --> 00:47:40.989
And instead, we're back to that that big question, you know, that,

907
00:47:41.250 --> 00:47:42.969
you know, when I would come up with something goofy,

908
00:47:43.010 --> 00:47:44.789
my mother would say, you know, who told you that?

909
00:47:45.809 --> 00:47:46.070
You know?

910
00:47:46.889 --> 00:47:47.809
Yeah, well, that's right.

911
00:47:48.280 --> 00:47:48.530
Right?

912
00:47:48.699 --> 00:47:50.920
And, you know, God forbid we lose the AI race

913
00:47:50.940 --> 00:47:53.019
to the Belgians or the Italians, that would be bad enough.

914
00:47:53.059 --> 00:47:55.519
But if people, you lose it to Xi Jinping or

915
00:47:55.539 --> 00:47:58.019
the Chinese Communist Party, you know, people are afraid, oh

916
00:47:58.039 --> 00:48:00.179
my God, AI may do bad, bad things. It might

917
00:48:00.239 --> 00:48:03.139
spy on us or you might have malware or sabotage. Well,

918
00:48:03.179 --> 00:48:05.829
you know what? If it's something being run by, you know,

919
00:48:05.869 --> 00:48:10.730
if instead of Google or Meta, or Amazon winning this

920
00:48:10.789 --> 00:48:14.530
race for superintelligence, but instead it's a Chinese-based company run

921
00:48:14.570 --> 00:48:18.940
by Xi Jinping's little brother or his son-in-law or something

922
00:48:18.960 --> 00:48:21.579
like that, my guess is you've got to be very

923
00:48:21.619 --> 00:48:24.440
careful that when you use their system, it's not spying

924
00:48:24.480 --> 00:48:27.639
on you, seeing how much money you've got, putting little

925
00:48:27.679 --> 00:48:31.320
things into infrastructure that might suddenly go off and all

926
00:48:31.340 --> 00:48:34.800
of a sudden the lights go off or the natural

927
00:48:34.820 --> 00:48:37.880
gas stops flowing or whatever it might be. So, yeah,

928
00:48:37.920 --> 00:48:39.860
we need to win this race, not just for commercial reasons,

929
00:48:39.909 --> 00:48:43.570
but reasons of national security and reasons of safety, reasons

930
00:48:43.630 --> 00:48:46.409
of not having them spy on us. And that's one

931
00:48:46.449 --> 00:48:47.889
more reason to win this race. If we lose it,

932
00:48:47.909 --> 00:48:50.989
who knows what little Trojan horse is going to be

933
00:48:51.139 --> 00:48:54.219
mixed in with the Chinese version of these companies if

934
00:48:54.239 --> 00:48:55.239
they're the ones that win this race.

935
00:48:55.920 --> 00:48:57.980
Well, DeRoy, as you say, I mean, to me, it's

936
00:48:58.019 --> 00:49:02.079
such an easy counter argument. The fact that we are

937
00:49:02.260 --> 00:49:06.750
already relying on data centers anyway, right? I mean, they're

938
00:49:06.829 --> 00:49:09.110
such a big part of our life and have been.

939
00:49:09.130 --> 00:49:12.550
And now all of a sudden you get this uproar

940
00:49:12.550 --> 00:49:15.670
over this, you know, kind of, you know, just a

941
00:49:15.670 --> 00:49:18.760
small aspect of, but but it's a critical aspect for

942
00:49:18.800 --> 00:49:21.780
the future of, you know, of America. And I would

943
00:49:21.800 --> 00:49:24.860
dare say the world because, you know, America leading the

944
00:49:24.929 --> 00:49:28.670
charge will develop it. They they will refine this. And

945
00:49:28.690 --> 00:49:31.170
of course, you know, we will share in a very

946
00:49:31.269 --> 00:49:34.250
beneficial way with the rest of the world to bring

947
00:49:34.289 --> 00:49:37.929
them up to speed. But if China gets it, their

948
00:49:37.989 --> 00:49:39.630
cards are going to be held close to their vest.

949
00:49:39.650 --> 00:49:41.429
There's no way they're going to share anything.

950
00:49:43.150 --> 00:49:44.869
Either they won't share it or they'll share it with

951
00:49:44.889 --> 00:49:46.809
strings attached, as they've done with the Belt and Road

952
00:49:46.829 --> 00:49:49.289
Initiative in Africa. It's like, okay, we'll give you lots

953
00:49:49.349 --> 00:49:52.880
of infrastructure and technology and stuff, but you've got to

954
00:49:52.920 --> 00:49:55.000
be our best friend and do everything else we tell you.

955
00:49:55.400 --> 00:49:58.000
And I don't want that to happen. The fact that

956
00:49:58.039 --> 00:49:59.619
this has been here, the data centers have been here

957
00:49:59.639 --> 00:50:02.250
a long time. There's a very good article published. Similar

958
00:50:02.610 --> 00:50:05.050
concepts I'm making, this is from, it's called Your Data

959
00:50:05.070 --> 00:50:08.159
Center Life by Charles C.W. Cook, one of my colleagues

960
00:50:08.179 --> 00:50:10.820
at National Review. This is written September 17th. And he

961
00:50:10.840 --> 00:50:12.420
makes a couple of points. One is that there are

962
00:50:12.440 --> 00:50:14.099
a lot of these data centers. They've been around a

963
00:50:14.119 --> 00:50:18.159
long time. He counts, or he cites a figure, 5,427.

964
00:50:18.159 --> 00:50:22.000
So almost 5,500 of these, or 5,400 of these data

965
00:50:22.019 --> 00:50:25.039
centers are all around the country. And he goes through

966
00:50:25.059 --> 00:50:27.980
his kind of what he does getting up in the

967
00:50:28.019 --> 00:50:30.280
morning and having his coffee and checking National Review and

968
00:50:30.840 --> 00:50:32.739
website and all that. He kind of just explains when

969
00:50:32.760 --> 00:50:36.170
he does that. He just types in nationalreview.com and his

970
00:50:36.289 --> 00:50:40.269
laptop or PC at home starts checking other data centers

971
00:50:40.329 --> 00:50:44.179
for National Review's website, finds a local data center where

972
00:50:44.429 --> 00:50:47.280
the beginning of that website is based, and then it

973
00:50:47.320 --> 00:50:50.219
starts checking other data centers. One of them holds the text.

974
00:50:50.619 --> 00:50:53.179
Another one holds the photographs. Another one has the ads.

975
00:50:53.300 --> 00:50:56.250
Another one has the links to other articles. And all

976
00:50:56.269 --> 00:50:59.789
that stuff magically comes in from data centers in three, four, five, six,

977
00:50:59.829 --> 00:51:02.510
seven different places. All that comes through the wires, pours

978
00:51:02.530 --> 00:51:04.630
into his laptop or his cell phone or whatever it is.

979
00:51:05.070 --> 00:51:07.289
And he starts reading an article with pictures popping up

980
00:51:07.349 --> 00:51:09.449
and ads on the side. We're not crazy about those,

981
00:51:09.469 --> 00:51:12.559
but they do bring in revenue and links to other articles,

982
00:51:12.619 --> 00:51:17.079
et cetera. And all that stuff magically, beautifully, silently appears.

983
00:51:17.380 --> 00:51:19.519
And it's, again, not sitting in his laptop. It's not

984
00:51:19.539 --> 00:51:21.139
sitting in his phone. It's sitting, all that stuff is

985
00:51:21.159 --> 00:51:23.719
sitting in data centers across the country, even around the world.

986
00:51:24.639 --> 00:51:26.219
And so I recommend people read that article and give

987
00:51:26.239 --> 00:51:28.730
you a technical sense of how all this stuff works.

988
00:51:28.769 --> 00:51:30.389
I found it very educational. It's a piece called Your

989
00:51:30.429 --> 00:51:33.699
Data Center Life, which is at nashreview.com. And it was

990
00:51:34.360 --> 00:51:39.019
by Charles C.W. Cook, C-O-O-K-E, September 17th. And I think

991
00:51:39.039 --> 00:51:40.099
people find that very educational.

992
00:51:40.940 --> 00:51:42.840
Well, again, it goes back to what you and I

993
00:51:42.860 --> 00:51:46.550
have maintained, DeRoy, from day one. And that is you

994
00:51:46.590 --> 00:51:49.349
have to own your own knowledge. You can't just sit

995
00:51:49.389 --> 00:51:51.550
back and let somebody do your own thinking for you.

996
00:51:51.909 --> 00:51:54.130
Because this is how we've got into this mess. This

997
00:51:54.210 --> 00:51:56.809
is a part and parcel of of why we're looking

998
00:51:56.869 --> 00:51:59.110
at $ 40 trillion in debt today, right?

999
00:52:00.949 --> 00:52:03.130
Yeah, well, a lot. As I say, do your own research.

1000
00:52:05.070 --> 00:52:06.889
Hopefully people believe what you and I say on the radio,

1001
00:52:06.929 --> 00:52:08.750
but if you don't, look up this stuff on your

1002
00:52:08.769 --> 00:52:12.409
own and come to your own conclusions. You've got many

1003
00:52:12.449 --> 00:52:16.219
number of information sources on this or any other topic

1004
00:52:16.239 --> 00:52:19.059
you can think of, and not just relying on what

1005
00:52:19.079 --> 00:52:22.460
you're hearing, particularly from the dinosaur media. which on a

1006
00:52:23.119 --> 00:52:25.000
good day is biased, on a bad day they're just

1007
00:52:25.019 --> 00:52:28.800
fabricating stuff and utterly making stuff up and being as inventive,

1008
00:52:28.860 --> 00:52:31.360
if not more inventive, than Thomas Edison. So yeah, do

1009
00:52:31.400 --> 00:52:33.300
your own research, look into these things on your own

1010
00:52:33.320 --> 00:52:37.070
and decide on your own, but I'd certainly suggest that

1011
00:52:37.090 --> 00:52:39.570
people keep their eyes and ears open and listen in

1012
00:52:39.630 --> 00:52:42.789
on this issue and many others and not just hear

1013
00:52:42.829 --> 00:52:46.349
the propaganda that data centers are just the focus of

1014
00:52:46.389 --> 00:52:48.210
all evil on the planet Earth. They do a lot

1015
00:52:48.230 --> 00:52:49.269
of good and they've been doing a lot of good

1016
00:52:49.309 --> 00:52:53.130
for probably 30, 40 years. very quietly without any appreciation.

1017
00:52:53.570 --> 00:52:54.670
And now all of a sudden we just hear that

1018
00:52:54.710 --> 00:52:58.369
they're just, you know, Bermuda Triangle or worse. And that's

1019
00:52:58.389 --> 00:52:59.219
just not the case.

1020
00:53:00.000 --> 00:53:02.960
Well, you want to check it out. Spectator.org, data centers

1021
00:53:03.000 --> 00:53:07.239
where modern life lives. DeRoy Murdoch's latest article. He's the

1022
00:53:07.280 --> 00:53:11.400
Manhattan-based Fox News contributor and contributing editor also at the

1023
00:53:11.420 --> 00:53:13.789
American Spectator. DeRoy, thank you. Appreciate it.

1024
00:53:13.809 --> 00:53:14.110
Take care.

1025
00:53:14.130 --> 00:53:15.510
All right, Bill. Great talk to you. Thanks a lot.

1026
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1035
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1036
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1037
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1038
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Bill Martinez Live, a program about current events, our culture,

1039
00:54:25.139 --> 00:54:30.679
our values, our politics, and our future. And now, Bill Martinez.

1040
00:54:31.659 --> 00:54:33.699
Hey, good morning, America. Six minutes after the top of

1041
00:54:33.719 --> 00:54:35.639
the hour. Glad you could join us. I'm Bill Martinez,

1042
00:54:36.039 --> 00:54:38.940
and we've got the New York Times bestselling author Brent

1043
00:54:38.980 --> 00:54:41.699
Hamachek joining us. We're going to talk about his brand

1044
00:54:41.780 --> 00:54:44.960
new book, The Intellect of Charlie Kirk. Brent, welcome back.

1045
00:54:45.000 --> 00:54:46.579
Good to have you with us. It's been too long,

1046
00:54:46.599 --> 00:54:47.010
my friend.

1047
00:54:47.929 --> 00:54:49.869
It has been. It's been a couple of years, and

1048
00:54:50.809 --> 00:54:52.809
maybe I guess I have to write a book to

1049
00:54:52.829 --> 00:54:55.750
get a chance to talk to you. But I think

1050
00:54:55.769 --> 00:54:57.989
there'll be more of that coming is the good news.

1051
00:54:58.010 --> 00:54:59.489
So that means we'll talk more.

1052
00:55:00.309 --> 00:55:04.989
Well, of course, this book about Charlie Kirk, we're, you know,

1053
00:55:05.070 --> 00:55:09.260
remembering one year ago. And, you know, we're still grieving,

1054
00:55:09.539 --> 00:55:13.440
many of us still grieving, because of, you know, the

1055
00:55:13.500 --> 00:55:18.409
generational loss that we've experienced with Charlie Kirk no longer around.

1056
00:55:18.429 --> 00:55:20.710
But yet his legacy continues.

1057
00:55:22.530 --> 00:55:27.269
Well, it does. It'll continue generationally. it'll continue on in

1058
00:55:27.309 --> 00:55:30.670
large part because of the organization he built, you know,

1059
00:55:30.690 --> 00:55:34.429
in the, in the postscript to the book. One of

1060
00:55:34.469 --> 00:55:38.010
the things I share is my thought that, you know,

1061
00:55:38.050 --> 00:55:40.909
everybody wants to, I shouldn't say everybody, but so many

1062
00:55:40.949 --> 00:55:44.690
people want to focus on the nature and manner of

1063
00:55:44.750 --> 00:55:49.300
Charlie's death. And we hear the term martyr being, you know,

1064
00:55:49.340 --> 00:55:53.940
bandied about. And I certainly understand those things, but, I

1065
00:55:54.000 --> 00:55:59.539
do not think that Charlie's going to be remembered for

1066
00:56:00.019 --> 00:56:02.400
how he died. I think he's going to be remembered

1067
00:56:02.920 --> 00:56:06.360
constantly and ongoing for what he built while he lived.

1068
00:56:06.880 --> 00:56:11.820
And that's the Turning Point USA organization. That's the legacy.

1069
00:56:12.139 --> 00:56:17.440
It's not about trying to somehow or other make something

1070
00:56:17.480 --> 00:56:20.400
of his death. His death was an insult to the

1071
00:56:20.460 --> 00:56:24.690
human experience, the way it took place. But let's focus

1072
00:56:24.789 --> 00:56:29.090
on the real legacy, which is an organization that's ongoing, thriving,

1073
00:56:29.110 --> 00:56:32.780
and making an impact in young people's lives every day.

1074
00:56:33.599 --> 00:56:37.659
And this organization was based on, you know, common sense,

1075
00:56:37.760 --> 00:56:41.539
godly principles. I mean, here you served as, I guess,

1076
00:56:42.440 --> 00:56:45.639
for all intent and purposes, a bit of a ghost

1077
00:56:45.679 --> 00:56:49.269
writer for him. I mean, Charlie was more than a

1078
00:56:49.369 --> 00:56:51.369
friend for you. I mean, he had to just be

1079
00:56:51.800 --> 00:56:53.880
I mean, both of you had to be so connected.

1080
00:56:53.900 --> 00:57:00.349
I want to say almost metaphysically, because when you're writing

1081
00:57:00.409 --> 00:57:04.969
for somebody and you get so close to them, you're

1082
00:57:04.989 --> 00:57:09.489
like that proverbial person that finishes the other person's sentences

1083
00:57:09.570 --> 00:57:10.510
at times, probably.

1084
00:57:11.550 --> 00:57:12.010
Well, yeah.

1085
00:57:12.130 --> 00:57:16.530
And I sort of have a personal tendency to avoid

1086
00:57:16.590 --> 00:57:19.929
the use of the term ghostwriter, and there's no offense

1087
00:57:19.969 --> 00:57:23.400
taken or of you using it or criticism given none

1088
00:57:23.420 --> 00:57:29.679
of that, but look, we, we collaborated on creating content and, uh, and,

1089
00:57:29.800 --> 00:57:33.949
and that collaboration was fun in a number of ways. Uh,

1090
00:57:34.150 --> 00:57:38.309
first of all, for me, uh, somebody who back going

1091
00:57:38.329 --> 00:57:41.289
back literally to the summer before my senior year of

1092
00:57:41.329 --> 00:57:43.110
high school, which is, you can tell by looking at me,

1093
00:57:43.130 --> 00:57:47.469
it's a long time ago. Uh, You know, I had this,

1094
00:57:48.940 --> 00:57:52.280
you know, I had this, this dream of getting involved

1095
00:57:52.400 --> 00:57:55.079
in what I call the world of ideas and trying

1096
00:57:55.099 --> 00:57:56.860
to make some contribution. You know, I thought I was

1097
00:57:56.880 --> 00:57:59.219
going to go change the world and that didn't work

1098
00:57:59.300 --> 00:58:02.250
out so well. You know, I just had a successful

1099
00:58:02.289 --> 00:58:05.769
business career and, and, and didn't do anything in that

1100
00:58:05.869 --> 00:58:09.030
world into which I wanted to step. And then I

1101
00:58:09.170 --> 00:58:11.789
meet Charlie, the story of how we met the unlikely.

1102
00:58:11.809 --> 00:58:13.670
I was going to ask you how you guys met. Yeah,

1103
00:58:13.730 --> 00:58:13.989
go ahead.

1104
00:58:14.030 --> 00:58:14.300
Yeah.

1105
00:58:14.360 --> 00:58:18.010
It's, It's in the book and it's most unlikely of stories,

1106
00:58:19.010 --> 00:58:22.050
but in meeting him and in him spotting something in

1107
00:58:22.110 --> 00:58:25.630
me that nobody else had ever spotted, that gave me

1108
00:58:25.650 --> 00:58:29.219
a chance to step into the world of ideas. What's

1109
00:58:29.260 --> 00:58:32.719
interesting about us in terms of the content we created

1110
00:58:32.760 --> 00:58:35.579
over the more than decade that we worked together is

1111
00:58:36.780 --> 00:58:40.579
that early days, you mentioned, I can't remember the term

1112
00:58:40.619 --> 00:58:44.510
you used, but talked about turning point, and I'm going

1113
00:58:44.530 --> 00:58:47.139
to use my own term, being involved in sort of

1114
00:58:47.179 --> 00:58:52.800
these social issues. Early days, Charlie used to tell me,

1115
00:58:53.239 --> 00:58:56.219
he told everybody, turning point was never going to get

1116
00:58:56.280 --> 00:58:59.840
involved in social issues, right? It was all about free

1117
00:58:59.889 --> 00:59:05.250
markets and first principles. And so what happened over time, though,

1118
00:59:05.449 --> 00:59:08.750
we certainly know, you know, the culture warrior tours and

1119
00:59:08.789 --> 00:59:11.539
all those things that he did. the reshaping of the

1120
00:59:11.599 --> 00:59:15.400
focus of Turning Point USA, all of that changed over time.

1121
00:59:16.440 --> 00:59:20.780
And there's nothing about that that should be viewed critically

1122
00:59:20.820 --> 00:59:23.050
by people. Some people might not like it. Some people

1123
00:59:23.090 --> 00:59:26.989
might love it. But what he was responding to was

1124
00:59:27.610 --> 00:59:31.739
what he perceived as a change in in the nation's

1125
00:59:31.860 --> 00:59:37.110
marketplace and what he identified as a need to reach

1126
00:59:37.489 --> 00:59:42.530
consumers with, or a need he had to address. And

1127
00:59:42.570 --> 00:59:49.539
that need was some sort of clarity and understanding of social, moral,

1128
00:59:49.639 --> 00:59:53.179
cultural values. So good for him on that. I think

1129
00:59:53.320 --> 00:59:58.960
that he followed that notion of Andrew Breitbart that politics

1130
00:59:59.039 --> 01:00:00.639
runs downstream from culture.

1131
01:00:01.519 --> 01:00:04.409
And, uh, it's supposed to, it's supposed to anyway, right

1132
01:00:04.469 --> 01:00:07.469
now it's reversed, but that's all, that's a whole nother discussion.

1133
01:00:07.510 --> 01:00:13.619
That's why we've got politics so angry, uh, and malfunctioning is, uh,

1134
01:00:13.789 --> 01:00:16.570
that it is out of order in my humble opinion.

1135
01:00:17.360 --> 01:00:21.260
Well, it's, uh, certainly, certainly we, the level of civil

1136
01:00:21.280 --> 01:00:25.130
discourse in the country is, uh, deteriorated greatly. And, uh,

1137
01:00:25.969 --> 01:00:30.710
That's why my colleague and I, Felisa Blaszczak, started the

1138
01:00:30.929 --> 01:00:34.190
Common Ground Campus program a few years ago, which I

1139
01:00:34.230 --> 01:00:36.010
talked to you about on your show the last time

1140
01:00:36.070 --> 01:00:39.829
I was here. We're working on trying to get young

1141
01:00:39.869 --> 01:00:43.050
people to come together and find their voice and express

1142
01:00:43.070 --> 01:00:46.869
their voice in a creative and constructive manner. Our program,

1143
01:00:46.889 --> 01:00:49.679
by the way, was encouraged by Charlie and approved by

1144
01:00:49.800 --> 01:00:54.909
Turning Point USA as a program. But in any case, Look,

1145
01:00:54.929 --> 01:00:57.949
Charlie evolved in his ideas. So did I, by the way.

1146
01:00:57.989 --> 01:01:01.070
And we did not evolve in the same directions. And

1147
01:01:01.190 --> 01:01:04.590
so I was asked yesterday by someone on a show

1148
01:01:04.610 --> 01:01:07.340
that I did, you know, what do you miss the most?

1149
01:01:07.989 --> 01:01:10.179
Which is an interesting question, right? I haven't really thought

1150
01:01:10.219 --> 01:01:13.599
about that because you, of course, just miss everything on

1151
01:01:13.679 --> 01:01:16.760
some level. But in terms of our interactions, what I

1152
01:01:16.840 --> 01:01:22.559
miss the most were our disagreements. And our disagreements were plentiful.

1153
01:01:23.260 --> 01:01:27.320
But I would never even use the word spirited to

1154
01:01:27.360 --> 01:01:31.659
describe them. They were rational and thoughtful and calm. And

1155
01:01:32.460 --> 01:01:36.559
there's a chapter in the book titled Agreeing to Disagree.

1156
01:01:37.400 --> 01:01:41.019
And that is a collection of written work we produced

1157
01:01:41.079 --> 01:01:45.579
together on topics where he and I did not agree

1158
01:01:45.599 --> 01:01:50.960
on the content that was being produced. But make no mistake.

1159
01:01:51.929 --> 01:01:55.329
everything in the book is, you know, Charlie's opinion, not mine.

1160
01:01:55.550 --> 01:01:57.610
If you want to know what he thought at the

1161
01:01:57.630 --> 01:02:00.019
date and time something was written, you can read it.

1162
01:02:00.050 --> 01:02:02.829
That's what he thought. It is not necessarily what I thought.

1163
01:02:03.510 --> 01:02:08.389
But those disagreements and our ability to have those conversations,

1164
01:02:09.130 --> 01:02:10.949
the way we did them and the way we were

1165
01:02:10.989 --> 01:02:15.099
able to work together despite a disagreement, certainly something we're

1166
01:02:15.139 --> 01:02:18.099
trying to embrace in the Common Ground campus program.

1167
01:02:18.619 --> 01:02:20.679
You know, Brent, what I like about that idea, I mean,

1168
01:02:20.719 --> 01:02:25.139
the Bible says is as iron sharpens iron. And, you know,

1169
01:02:25.179 --> 01:02:28.730
these kind of relationships are unique where you can be

1170
01:02:28.829 --> 01:02:34.309
respectfully associated with somebody where you can have these discussions.

1171
01:02:34.369 --> 01:02:36.809
I mean, to me, one of the things that I

1172
01:02:36.849 --> 01:02:40.000
appreciate about Charlie Kirk is walls had been built up

1173
01:02:40.639 --> 01:02:43.760
and Charlie started knocking down walls to where we could

1174
01:02:43.800 --> 01:02:47.920
have conversations on the other side of the walls, you know,

1175
01:02:48.530 --> 01:02:52.170
and be able to have these important discussions. I mean,

1176
01:02:52.489 --> 01:02:54.360
you know, when you think that here it is, you know,

1177
01:02:54.389 --> 01:02:57.199
talking about getting back to first principles, this has been

1178
01:02:57.260 --> 01:02:59.780
core of this show, is I felt that we needed

1179
01:02:59.820 --> 01:03:02.719
to go back to first principles. And when you go

1180
01:03:02.760 --> 01:03:05.679
back to first principles, you see that our founding fathers

1181
01:03:05.760 --> 01:03:10.460
embraced the First Amendment, you know, pretty passionately. And there

1182
01:03:10.519 --> 01:03:14.360
was wisdom in the First Amendment. And whenever that's violated,

1183
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we pay a big price. You know, we just recently

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went through COVID. And what happened? Walls got put up.

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We couldn't talk. We couldn't exchange ideas. And I believe

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more people than necessary died as a result of it.

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Oh, well, there's no question about that. As you might know,

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your audience might remember, I mean, I wrote Dr. Zelenko's

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book with him. That was a dear friend. And we

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told that story of his journey and the nation's journey

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through the China flu and every time in my house

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where somebody mentions COVID, I'll say, wait, that's the same

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as the China flu, right? I get confused, simply refuse

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to use it as a term. But yeah, you know,

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in the First Amendment, all of those first 10 amendments

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have interesting history. I mean, I think some people might believe, oh, yeah,

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that's something the founding fathers, you know, they jumped right

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in and wanted to do that. They didn't. There was

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the suggestion of some against the advice of others who

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thought they were unnecessary. But those who thought they were

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Hamachek, New York Times bestselling author, one of the most

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influential voices behind one of America's most consequential conservative leaders,

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01:09:27.659 --> 01:09:30.920
Charlie Kirk. For more than a decade, from 2013, he

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and Charlie, before his assassination on September, September the 10th

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01:09:37.640 --> 01:09:43.420
of 2025, Hamachek was Kirk's personal collaborator, helping shape the speeches,

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01:09:43.479 --> 01:09:47.520
opinion columns, and arguments that define Turning Point USA movement.

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What an opportunity, I think, that, you know, Brent, I've

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01:09:52.340 --> 01:09:56.149
often said that, you know, God will give us a canvas,

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01:09:56.189 --> 01:09:59.149
so to speak. I use the metaphor in terms of

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expressing our talents and giftings. And for you to have

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01:10:02.609 --> 01:10:05.890
this kind of canvas to work with, you know, associated

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01:10:05.949 --> 01:10:08.869
with Charlie Kirk, like you said, not that you agreed

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all the time on everything, but to even be in

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that kind of relationship with someone that, you know, that

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01:10:15.020 --> 01:10:18.119
you could disagree with. And I got to imagine that

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as a result of that, both of you became more

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intelligent in the process.

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Oh, there's, there's no question about that. Certainly in my case,

1295
01:10:27.180 --> 01:10:30.000
you know, there was a moment in time in early

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01:10:30.000 --> 01:10:35.890
2019 where Charlie approached me and asked if I would

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work through studying political theory and political science with him.

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And again, you know, just about everything I ever did

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with Charlie, other than the few times I provided some

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business advice. And other than when early this decade, he

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asked me to be his weightlifting trainer. Other than those

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01:10:55.449 --> 01:10:59.470
two things, I had no qualifications. Those two, I was okay.

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01:10:59.529 --> 01:11:03.250
But when he asked me to do that, I said, sure.

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But understand that political theory for me when I was

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01:11:08.409 --> 01:11:12.590
in college, a big area of study, beyond college, a

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01:11:12.670 --> 01:11:15.149
big area of interest in ongoing, you know, sort of

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01:11:15.430 --> 01:11:19.989
citizen study. But, oh my goodness, did I have to

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freshen up. And, you know, we would sit down for

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01:11:24.750 --> 01:11:26.970
over a year and a half. We sat down and

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had formal regular sessions, you know, starting with the Greek

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01:11:32.569 --> 01:11:36.170
masters and ending with the last topic we covered was

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01:11:36.489 --> 01:11:39.939
the 20th century pragmatists. And we covered just about everything

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01:11:39.979 --> 01:11:44.189
in between. And the discipline of having to prepare for

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those conversations, going back and rereading John Locke's Second Treatise.

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Did I know that we needed to study it? Yes.

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Could I remember it?

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01:11:54.170 --> 01:11:54.550
No.

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Too many years ago. So I was only smart enough

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to put together a list of, I can't remember if

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it was like 28 or 29 original things that we

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were going to study. So, and I did that from memory.

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So I get an A on that.

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Well, that's great.

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Good job for memory.

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But beyond that, it was a lot of work and

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made me all, I don't know if it made me

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smarter because I think my level of intelligence tabled off

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years ago, but it did make me more aware of

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things with what limited intelligence I have.

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That's for sure.

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Well, when you scheduled these meetings with Charlie, I mean, uh,

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did you, did you come in and say, okay, this is,

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these are the topics this we're going to talk about or, uh,

1334
01:12:39.109 --> 01:12:39.850
how did that happen?

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Yeah. Oh, we would, we knew what was coming up

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next and we would set a date and we would

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sit together either in person, uh, sometimes in a coffee shop,

1338
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sometimes in my office and sometimes over a screen like

1339
01:12:55.640 --> 01:12:57.279
you and I are doing right now. It all depended

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upon his schedule and geographic presence. But, uh, But we

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01:13:02.439 --> 01:13:06.699
would come together with pages and pages of notes and

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01:13:06.880 --> 01:13:11.430
walk through it. I've got the collection of our notes

1343
01:13:11.550 --> 01:13:14.550
is actually with a friend of mine who's retired, who

1344
01:13:14.590 --> 01:13:17.350
says he's making it his project to digitize them all.

1345
01:13:17.689 --> 01:13:22.189
So good luck with my handwriting. But we'd sometimes have

1346
01:13:22.949 --> 01:13:27.310
reading assignments in between. So when we worked through Machiavelli,

1347
01:13:28.189 --> 01:13:32.109
it was a pre-reading assignment to read the prints. We

1348
01:13:32.170 --> 01:13:36.850
read Locke's Second Treatise. We read excerpts from other writers,

1349
01:13:37.359 --> 01:13:42.100
pieces from Plato's Republic, for example, and other things. And

1350
01:13:42.560 --> 01:13:44.939
so there was that. One of the things I like

1351
01:13:44.960 --> 01:13:48.880
the most is I'm a big Ayn Rand fan. And

1352
01:13:49.920 --> 01:13:52.680
one of the things we did was Charlie wanted to

1353
01:13:52.739 --> 01:13:57.140
read Atlas Shrugged. He had great fondness for objectivists and

1354
01:13:57.739 --> 01:14:00.270
many of their ideas, but of course his Christian background.

1355
01:14:01.659 --> 01:14:04.500
made much of that at odds with arguably the most

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01:14:04.560 --> 01:14:08.380
famous atheist to the 20th century. And certainly one of

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01:14:08.399 --> 01:14:12.180
the most vocal. And in any case, so we would read,

1358
01:14:12.659 --> 01:14:15.789
he would read Atlas Shrugged, three major sections to the book.

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And when he would complete one section at a time,

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we'd go through those sections. So that was, for me,

1361
01:14:22.949 --> 01:14:26.350
that was sort of a highlight of the process. I

1362
01:14:26.399 --> 01:14:29.840
enjoyed that very much. And so, yeah, it sharpened my

1363
01:14:30.409 --> 01:14:32.619
sharpen what little is left of my intellect to work

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01:14:32.659 --> 01:14:33.619
with them for sure.

1365
01:14:33.859 --> 01:14:36.380
Well Brent uh you know the format of going to

1366
01:14:36.420 --> 01:14:40.840
campuses and talking to these young people uh I'm sure

1367
01:14:41.500 --> 01:14:43.810
you had a lot of influence in that because of

1368
01:14:43.869 --> 01:14:47.270
your past experience so how did that come about.

1369
01:14:47.810 --> 01:14:53.029
Sure so early early days um Charlie and I did

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01:14:53.069 --> 01:14:58.100
a lot of work together on preparing for media hits

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so um Again, I had no background. My background to

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any extent were two things. Number one, I'm a decent communicator.

1373
01:15:09.029 --> 01:15:11.930
Number two, most of my career I spent working in

1374
01:15:12.630 --> 01:15:16.210
and around the world of sales. So you come to

1375
01:15:16.250 --> 01:15:19.859
understand some things. You understand how to assess needs, how

1376
01:15:19.899 --> 01:15:22.739
to look for opportunities and so on. In the media

1377
01:15:22.760 --> 01:15:25.619
side of that, what we were trying to do was

1378
01:15:25.699 --> 01:15:28.560
look for what I termed, what he came to term

1379
01:15:29.119 --> 01:15:31.869
green space. So if he was going to be on

1380
01:15:31.930 --> 01:15:35.029
Fox News, for example, and sent along something from the

1381
01:15:35.069 --> 01:15:38.510
producer about the topic, our goal was to talk ahead

1382
01:15:38.550 --> 01:15:42.609
of time about how do you approach this topic and

1383
01:15:42.689 --> 01:15:46.569
not sound like the last 10 guests who are just

1384
01:15:46.880 --> 01:15:51.279
on talking about the same topic because everybody sounds the same.

1385
01:15:52.479 --> 01:15:55.039
And so that green space approach started to work. You know,

1386
01:15:55.079 --> 01:15:58.859
he'd do interviews and he'd get feedback. Wow, Charlie, you know, really,

1387
01:15:59.020 --> 01:16:01.939
really like that. The host loved your segment, said you

1388
01:16:01.960 --> 01:16:05.500
were saying things other people aren't saying. And so that

1389
01:16:05.539 --> 01:16:07.699
was part of it. And that evolved into the notion

1390
01:16:07.800 --> 01:16:13.899
of persuasive communication. And this relates directly to a sales background, right? So,

1391
01:16:14.399 --> 01:16:18.350
you know, a good salesperson knows how to speak well,

1392
01:16:18.369 --> 01:16:21.210
but a great salesperson knows how to ask questions and listen.

1393
01:16:22.069 --> 01:16:25.210
And so what we spent time doing was really studying

1394
01:16:25.270 --> 01:16:27.630
that Socratic method piece.

1395
01:16:28.050 --> 01:16:29.029
Right.

1396
01:16:29.630 --> 01:16:31.250
Kind of interesting. I get a kick out of this

1397
01:16:31.310 --> 01:16:33.510
and it comes up all the time. You can ask

1398
01:16:33.550 --> 01:16:36.149
somebody about, you know, they'll say, oh, yeah, I believe

1399
01:16:36.170 --> 01:16:38.300
in the Socratic method. And you'll say, well, what is it?

1400
01:16:38.789 --> 01:16:41.949
And they say, well, it's asking questions. Well, the truth

1401
01:16:42.050 --> 01:16:44.970
is we have a name for that. It's called asking questions.

1402
01:16:45.409 --> 01:16:49.170
It's not the Socratic method. There's no method to asking questions.

1403
01:16:50.210 --> 01:16:53.229
But what what Charlie and I spend time working on

1404
01:16:53.250 --> 01:16:57.359
in which he mastered beyond belief. was the actual method

1405
01:16:57.880 --> 01:17:01.199
that has some key elements to it. It's a very

1406
01:17:01.239 --> 01:17:05.779
top-down approach. It is a big question down to specific

1407
01:17:05.859 --> 01:17:10.310
question process. And most importantly, it is driven by the

1408
01:17:10.390 --> 01:17:15.729
second question, which is asked after clearly listening to the

1409
01:17:15.930 --> 01:17:20.399
answer of the first question. Questions need to be derivative

1410
01:17:20.500 --> 01:17:27.640
upon response. So that sort of process, that true Socratic method, uh,

1411
01:17:27.779 --> 01:17:30.880
became ingrained in him. And again, like I said, he,

1412
01:17:31.359 --> 01:17:33.729
he mastered it. You know, I, I can watch him

1413
01:17:33.810 --> 01:17:36.909
do it and, you know, uh, just sort of chuckle

1414
01:17:36.930 --> 01:17:39.770
to myself and say, wow, I couldn't do it that well,

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Well, we're talking with Brent Hamachek, his new book, The

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Intellect of Charlie Kirk, a collection of writings, ideas, and

1485
01:21:47.970 --> 01:21:54.630
stories from a transformational American. You know, as you were saying,

1486
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his ability to master the Socratic process, I mean, he

1487
01:22:00.630 --> 01:22:03.109
really took it to a refined level.

1488
01:22:04.409 --> 01:22:06.390
Oh, yeah, there's no question. I mean, there was a

1489
01:22:07.390 --> 01:22:10.319
few years ago, I was at an event where Charlie

1490
01:22:10.340 --> 01:22:14.590
was speaking and I was sitting next to another person

1491
01:22:14.659 --> 01:22:20.489
who worked very closely with Charlie. And after his prepared remarks,

1492
01:22:21.270 --> 01:22:23.789
he took questions, of course, as he always did. And

1493
01:22:23.829 --> 01:22:26.130
there was a gentleman that stood up first and he

1494
01:22:26.170 --> 01:22:28.069
was quite animated and you could tell he was far

1495
01:22:28.130 --> 01:22:30.930
more interested in being provocative than asking a question that

1496
01:22:30.970 --> 01:22:34.010
got an answer. And I leaned over to the person

1497
01:22:34.069 --> 01:22:36.090
sitting next to me and I said, watch what's going

1498
01:22:36.130 --> 01:22:39.189
to happen. I said, in a few minutes, this person

1499
01:22:39.409 --> 01:22:41.489
is either going to throw up their hands and go

1500
01:22:41.529 --> 01:22:43.029
back to their seat, or they're going to walk out

1501
01:22:43.069 --> 01:22:45.850
of the room and everybody is going to clap and

1502
01:22:45.909 --> 01:22:49.029
Charlie will have not done anything other than ask him questions.

1503
01:22:49.909 --> 01:22:54.260
And so sure enough, within five minutes, that person threw

1504
01:22:54.319 --> 01:22:57.260
up their hands, walked out of the room, almost right

1505
01:22:57.300 --> 01:22:59.159
in front of where we were sitting and the audience

1506
01:22:59.239 --> 01:23:02.520
erupted in applause and Charlie hadn't done anything other than

1507
01:23:02.920 --> 01:23:07.840
time and knots by asking him questions. And, uh, That

1508
01:23:07.880 --> 01:23:11.220
wasn't difficult for me to predict because that was exactly

1509
01:23:11.260 --> 01:23:13.750
the sort of thing that we had worked on. And

1510
01:23:14.409 --> 01:23:17.149
so he mastered it. It was fun to watch him

1511
01:23:17.210 --> 01:23:20.909
do it. He understood, by the way, one of the

1512
01:23:20.949 --> 01:23:23.569
things I'd point out in the book, and so your

1513
01:23:23.649 --> 01:23:26.500
audience knows, they might be interested in this, what we're

1514
01:23:26.560 --> 01:23:31.939
talking about, this whole Socratic piece. Charlie ultimately asked me

1515
01:23:31.960 --> 01:23:35.220
to teach it to Turning Point students, which I did

1516
01:23:35.300 --> 01:23:40.850
on a And that sort of seminar, if you will,

1517
01:23:40.970 --> 01:23:45.069
curriculum is in the book. The whole thing's there. And

1518
01:23:45.189 --> 01:23:47.890
so the term I use in the book is, you know,

1519
01:23:47.930 --> 01:23:49.289
it's kind of like, so if you want to bend

1520
01:23:49.329 --> 01:23:53.609
it like Charlie, you know, here, read this. This is

1521
01:23:53.680 --> 01:23:59.279
what we did together. But, you know, to the point

1522
01:23:59.600 --> 01:24:03.380
when he would walk into a crowd, like a protest

1523
01:24:03.439 --> 01:24:08.210
crowd on the campus, and he'd confront the leaders asking

1524
01:24:08.250 --> 01:24:11.170
them questions, you know, and then these viral videos that

1525
01:24:11.189 --> 01:24:15.449
got created, you know, people could, could say, well, that

1526
01:24:15.510 --> 01:24:18.569
wasn't terribly effective because the person that he was asking

1527
01:24:18.590 --> 01:24:21.989
the questions of, you know, they, they, they weren't converted.

1528
01:24:22.470 --> 01:24:26.609
They didn't come to see it his way. That wasn't

1529
01:24:26.649 --> 01:24:29.189
his intention. And one of the things, and it's in

1530
01:24:29.210 --> 01:24:31.449
the material in the book, one of the things we

1531
01:24:31.489 --> 01:24:36.760
talked about was know who your actual audience is and

1532
01:24:37.199 --> 01:24:40.260
And when you're engaged, understand who it is you're trying

1533
01:24:40.279 --> 01:24:43.560
to make an impact upon. So when Charlie did those

1534
01:24:43.619 --> 01:24:47.550
things in a crowd that got filmed, he was not

1535
01:24:47.689 --> 01:24:50.750
trying to reach the person he was talking to. He

1536
01:24:50.810 --> 01:24:53.470
was trying to reach the people watching him talk to

1537
01:24:53.510 --> 01:24:57.489
that person who would then be able to see that

1538
01:24:57.649 --> 01:25:04.420
other person deconstruct themselves through a failed path of logic.

1539
01:25:05.109 --> 01:25:06.670
And they would be able to look at that video

1540
01:25:06.689 --> 01:25:09.449
and say, wow, man, look at the way, the way

1541
01:25:09.470 --> 01:25:12.449
he asked you those questions and man, she just fell apart.

1542
01:25:12.800 --> 01:25:16.659
You know what? That didn't make any sense to me either. Right.

1543
01:25:16.920 --> 01:25:22.000
So the audience is not always the audience that you're

1544
01:25:22.020 --> 01:25:24.479
standing directly in front of. So he had great awareness

1545
01:25:24.520 --> 01:25:28.039
that when, if it looked like he failed with someone,

1546
01:25:28.100 --> 01:25:30.899
if you ever saw like that engagement I mentioned at

1547
01:25:30.939 --> 01:25:34.390
the event I attended, he didn't fail in that engagement.

1548
01:25:35.189 --> 01:25:37.699
even though that person walked out of the room. What

1549
01:25:37.819 --> 01:25:41.020
he was doing was not intended to convert them. He

1550
01:25:41.039 --> 01:25:44.720
was doing it so that others might see and somehow

1551
01:25:44.760 --> 01:25:46.979
come to think by that person's reaction.

1552
01:25:47.479 --> 01:25:50.310
Wasn't it very similar? I mean, I thought, and this

1553
01:25:50.390 --> 01:25:53.829
is the thing that always has been a challenge for me, Brent,

1554
01:25:54.409 --> 01:25:59.189
is that I didn't ever perceive Charlie as being mean-spirited.

1555
01:25:59.850 --> 01:26:03.760
It was a time of exposures. And that person that

1556
01:26:03.800 --> 01:26:07.020
got exposed had an opportunity to say, okay, maybe I

1557
01:26:07.060 --> 01:26:10.510
need to ponder this. Maybe I need to reevaluate my

1558
01:26:10.569 --> 01:26:12.949
standing because the rest of the audience, like you said,

1559
01:26:13.289 --> 01:26:16.449
who observed it said the same thing. And at times,

1560
01:26:16.909 --> 01:26:20.609
I mean, this is not to elevate Charlie into some supernatural,

1561
01:26:20.630 --> 01:26:24.979
you know, Jesus-like figure, but this is what Jesus did.

1562
01:26:26.979 --> 01:26:27.760
Well, right.

1563
01:26:27.859 --> 01:26:33.750
I mean, it's interesting for me that, you know, over time,

1564
01:26:33.909 --> 01:26:39.859
over the years, I've had different folks ask me for help. Like,

1565
01:26:39.899 --> 01:26:42.159
let's say they're going to start on some kind of

1566
01:26:42.199 --> 01:26:45.100
a book tour themselves, or all of a sudden they're

1567
01:26:45.140 --> 01:26:48.739
going to be doing some public appearances, maybe on an issue.

1568
01:26:48.760 --> 01:26:52.939
And they talk about the concern of being like drawn

1569
01:26:52.979 --> 01:26:56.750
into something, some particular controversy that might be taking place.

1570
01:26:57.810 --> 01:26:59.789
And I always say to them in a secular sense,

1571
01:26:59.930 --> 01:27:02.880
I'll say, look, the very first rule to follow is

1572
01:27:02.939 --> 01:27:07.300
that you need to embrace your inner Jesus. And, you know,

1573
01:27:07.340 --> 01:27:09.180
when you're sitting in front of a host that may

1574
01:27:09.239 --> 01:27:12.659
turn hostile, you need to have that attitude of your words,

1575
01:27:12.930 --> 01:27:15.949
not mine. And you need to keep in mind that,

1576
01:27:16.229 --> 01:27:18.869
that idea of, you know, when the, when the Pharisees

1577
01:27:18.909 --> 01:27:21.250
were trying to trick him with questions, you know, what's

1578
01:27:21.310 --> 01:27:24.479
the most important commandment and so on, uh, he would

1579
01:27:24.529 --> 01:27:29.159
not permit himself to be tricked. So he, he had

1580
01:27:29.199 --> 01:27:32.149
that awareness, uh, you know, and I think one of

1581
01:27:32.170 --> 01:27:34.090
the things I used to say to Charlie, and I

1582
01:27:34.149 --> 01:27:37.850
wrote this in Dissonantly Speaking, one of the chapters, you

1583
01:27:37.869 --> 01:27:40.770
could argue that the two most impactful human beings in

1584
01:27:40.810 --> 01:27:43.579
all of history, one on the secular side, one on

1585
01:27:43.600 --> 01:27:46.800
the religious side, were Socrates and Jesus Christ because of

1586
01:27:46.840 --> 01:27:49.760
what they said in motion. They had two things in common.

1587
01:27:50.640 --> 01:27:54.060
First of all, they were both executed for their actions.

1588
01:27:54.149 --> 01:27:56.789
That's not so good. But they also changed the world

1589
01:27:56.829 --> 01:28:01.649
by asking questions. And and by sharing an appropriate story.

1590
01:28:03.069 --> 01:28:06.760
And so Christ more so the stories and Socrates more

1591
01:28:06.800 --> 01:28:10.300
so the questions, but they both use both as we understand,

1592
01:28:10.359 --> 01:28:14.819
at least from Plato, right? So the point is that

1593
01:28:15.340 --> 01:28:20.569
if you walk into that hostile crowd, if you step

1594
01:28:20.689 --> 01:28:23.829
up on stage, or even if you're sitting in your

1595
01:28:23.869 --> 01:28:26.810
dining room, you know, around a crowded dinner table at

1596
01:28:26.850 --> 01:28:30.239
Thanksgiving with folks that seem to want to argue, If

1597
01:28:30.300 --> 01:28:34.270
you can embrace, whether you wanna embrace your inner Jesus

1598
01:28:34.350 --> 01:28:37.550
or your inner Socrates or mix them together, what you

1599
01:28:37.609 --> 01:28:39.850
can do is find that you'll become a little bit

1600
01:28:39.920 --> 01:28:43.300
like a Delta Force operator when the firing starts. Your

1601
01:28:43.359 --> 01:28:47.340
pulse doesn't go up, it drops. And you'll get a

1602
01:28:47.520 --> 01:28:50.060
scary sort of calm about you because this is exactly

1603
01:28:50.119 --> 01:28:52.850
what you prepared for. And you're not going to be

1604
01:28:52.930 --> 01:28:57.130
able to be trapped. So Charlie was extremely good at that.

1605
01:28:57.590 --> 01:29:00.069
And you're right. He wasn't mean or hostile or nasty.

1606
01:29:00.109 --> 01:29:00.890
He didn't need to be.

1607
01:29:01.489 --> 01:29:04.789
When those engagements started, he was in his element. He

1608
01:29:04.909 --> 01:29:09.489
trained for that. That was the bullets flying as a metaphor.

1609
01:29:09.510 --> 01:29:12.449
And I know some people get angry that I use

1610
01:29:12.489 --> 01:29:15.880
the term. You know, I'm not real good at censoring

1611
01:29:16.119 --> 01:29:20.659
language or metaphors. Everybody knows what I mean. And in

1612
01:29:20.699 --> 01:29:23.050
any case, he trained for that. And so when those

1613
01:29:23.090 --> 01:29:26.439
things started, his pulse dropped. He was good.

1614
01:29:28.279 --> 01:29:30.500
Well, in this book, as we wrap things up, we've

1615
01:29:30.520 --> 01:29:33.439
got a couple of minutes left here, Brian. This is

1616
01:29:33.520 --> 01:29:35.880
more than a biography as you laid out. I mean,

1617
01:29:37.060 --> 01:29:42.920
you are sharing some of these strategies and things that

1618
01:29:43.000 --> 01:29:47.960
worked very effectively for Charlie. And again, my hope, I

1619
01:29:48.000 --> 01:29:51.560
had a mentor when I was in LA radio. He

1620
01:29:51.600 --> 01:29:54.159
was just brilliant And he would always tell us that,

1621
01:29:54.539 --> 01:29:56.180
you know, when we were on the air, our job

1622
01:29:56.220 --> 01:30:00.539
was to elicit a positive emotional response. And radio is

1623
01:30:00.600 --> 01:30:04.220
so personal and so imaginative, it could give you that

1624
01:30:04.279 --> 01:30:09.560
opportunity to do that very effectively. And again, for people

1625
01:30:09.619 --> 01:30:13.199
who have ears to hear, I walked away from what

1626
01:30:13.260 --> 01:30:16.340
Charlie had to say and having that, oh yeah, moment,

1627
01:30:16.539 --> 01:30:20.989
that opportunity for a positive emotional response to be a

1628
01:30:21.050 --> 01:30:24.670
better person, a better version of myself as a result

1629
01:30:24.710 --> 01:30:27.069
of the questions that were being asked. Is that fair?

1630
01:30:28.050 --> 01:30:29.890
Well, it is fair. And let me just share briefly

1631
01:30:29.949 --> 01:30:32.899
for your audience so they know what to expect. In

1632
01:30:32.909 --> 01:30:35.779
the book, you know, at the time of Charlie's death,

1633
01:30:36.119 --> 01:30:41.239
I had a collection sitting on my computer of 370,000

1634
01:30:41.539 --> 01:30:45.760
words of opinion columns and radio show monologues that we

1635
01:30:45.840 --> 01:30:49.000
created together. And so what I did is I curated

1636
01:30:49.079 --> 01:30:53.310
from that collection And so it's organized sort of topically

1637
01:30:53.350 --> 01:30:57.500
by chapter and then by date sequence. For example, there

1638
01:30:57.560 --> 01:31:01.859
is a chapter dedicated to Charlie's writings over time about

1639
01:31:01.939 --> 01:31:07.310
President Trump. There is a chapter dedicated to various columns

1640
01:31:08.090 --> 01:31:12.689
during the pandemic. There's a chapter dedicated to columns about

1641
01:31:13.470 --> 01:31:17.850
Turning Point USA. One, again, I mentioned earlier, where I

1642
01:31:17.909 --> 01:31:21.210
say it's agreeing to disagree. And these are content we

1643
01:31:21.250 --> 01:31:24.409
produced where we didn't agree on what was being produced.

1644
01:31:24.920 --> 01:31:28.699
And then there's also a curation of out of 160

1645
01:31:28.699 --> 01:31:33.100
pages of radio show monologues, different ones that I felt

1646
01:31:33.220 --> 01:31:39.010
were sort of particularly representative of some of those more

1647
01:31:39.590 --> 01:31:42.710
keen and pressing arguments. I mean, a radio show monologue,

1648
01:31:42.729 --> 01:31:45.470
you know, is really an argument if you think about it.

1649
01:31:46.489 --> 01:31:49.069
Charlie knew there were three legs to an argument. Everybody

1650
01:31:49.109 --> 01:31:51.310
wants to talk about, oh, you've got to have your facts.

1651
01:31:51.470 --> 01:31:54.229
That's great. Facts are only one leg, and the triangle

1652
01:31:54.289 --> 01:31:58.300
is equilateral. It is facts, and it is sequence, and

1653
01:31:58.319 --> 01:32:03.319
it is logic. And so these arguments that are radio

1654
01:32:03.340 --> 01:32:10.079
show monologues demonstrate Charlie's ability to put together that equilateral triangle,

1655
01:32:10.439 --> 01:32:13.149
at least I think so. And so that's what you

1656
01:32:13.170 --> 01:32:17.859
can expect. real historical content produced from over a decade's

1657
01:32:17.880 --> 01:32:20.890
worth of time. You can watch his thought process evolve.

1658
01:32:21.770 --> 01:32:22.869
I share stories.

1659
01:32:22.569 --> 01:32:23.050
Along the way.

1660
01:32:23.090 --> 01:32:26.390
It's like Springsteen on Broadway. You know, he went up on,

1661
01:32:26.649 --> 01:32:28.430
did a stage, you know, he talked about being a

1662
01:32:28.489 --> 01:32:31.350
kid and Freehold, and then he played Growing Up. Then

1663
01:32:31.369 --> 01:32:33.590
he talked about his mom and he played The Wish.

1664
01:32:34.640 --> 01:32:38.380
It's like that, right? So stories and content mixed together.

1665
01:32:39.100 --> 01:32:42.060
Well, Brent Hamachek, congratulations on the book. It's a blessing.

1666
01:32:42.729 --> 01:32:44.949
I look forward to getting my own copy as well.

1667
01:32:46.189 --> 01:32:50.090
It's The Intellect of Charlie Kirk, a collection of writings, ideas,

1668
01:32:50.170 --> 01:32:54.050
and stories from a transformative American. Brent is a New

1669
01:32:54.069 --> 01:32:56.710
York Times bestselling author and one of the most influential

1670
01:32:56.770 --> 01:33:02.260
voices behind one of America's most consequential conservative leaders, Charlie Kirk. Brent,

1671
01:33:02.279 --> 01:33:04.060
thank you for being with us. Take care. Be well,

1672
01:33:04.079 --> 01:33:04.420
my friend.

1673
01:33:04.979 --> 01:33:06.279
Thank you, Bill. Nice to be here.

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Hey, good morning.

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We're back with you. Bill Martinez here, along with Adam

1746
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Holtz from Focus on the Family. Hey, there he is.

1747
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Here I am.

1748
01:37:15.390 --> 01:37:18.270
Well, Adam, what's going on in the movie world?

1749
01:37:19.310 --> 01:37:21.930
Well, we've got a couple things to talk about this week.

1750
01:37:22.590 --> 01:37:24.289
Probably the biggest movie.

1751
01:37:24.270 --> 01:37:29.489
Is the new DreamWorks animation movie, Forgotten Island, which I

1752
01:37:29.529 --> 01:37:33.289
would say DreamWorks and Universal have really pushed Disney in

1753
01:37:33.329 --> 01:37:36.470
the last five or six years. I think they've been

1754
01:37:36.489 --> 01:37:39.840
making better movies, and this is another one that mainstream

1755
01:37:39.899 --> 01:37:43.600
critics are just gaga over. As of yesterday, when I

1756
01:37:43.619 --> 01:37:46.659
checked in on Rotten Tomatoes, this was at 100%. And

1757
01:37:47.140 --> 01:37:53.729
that was after, I think, like 41 critics. So there's

1758
01:37:53.750 --> 01:37:56.109
always got to be somebody in there that wrecks it.

1759
01:37:56.369 --> 01:37:57.529
It's like, I don't know, I'm going to be the

1760
01:37:57.590 --> 01:37:58.090
negative one.

1761
01:37:58.130 --> 01:38:01.069
Except in this case, I might be the negative one.

1762
01:38:01.210 --> 01:38:03.869
Plugged in, we're not on Rotten Tomatoes because getting on

1763
01:38:03.909 --> 01:38:08.600
Rotten Tomatoes is actually weirdly, really difficult. People have asked

1764
01:38:08.680 --> 01:38:13.279
us before. It's not easy to get on their system.

1765
01:38:13.899 --> 01:38:17.350
But this movie is about two Filipino girls in Manila.

1766
01:38:17.399 --> 01:38:20.130
They have grown up together. Their names are Joe and Reysa.

1767
01:38:20.949 --> 01:38:24.810
And after they graduate from high school, Reysa has decided

1768
01:38:24.890 --> 01:38:28.770
she's going to go to Caltech. And Joe is devastated

1769
01:38:28.890 --> 01:38:30.829
that she's going to be losing a her best friend.

1770
01:38:31.789 --> 01:38:36.229
And Joe's grandmother has always told tales of this mythical

1771
01:38:36.520 --> 01:38:41.180
forgotten island. And they have a magical sand dollar that

1772
01:38:41.279 --> 01:38:44.520
opens up a mystical portal. They end up on Forgotten Island.

1773
01:38:44.539 --> 01:38:47.119
And it's called Forgotten Island because the longer you stay there,

1774
01:38:47.680 --> 01:38:51.750
the more of your memories you forget. And so they

1775
01:38:51.789 --> 01:38:54.159
are trying to get back to the real world before

1776
01:38:54.300 --> 01:38:57.760
all of their memories of their time together there go

1777
01:38:57.960 --> 01:39:01.979
up in smoke. So like I said, the mainstream critics

1778
01:39:02.380 --> 01:39:06.510
absolutely adore this movie. It's gotten rave, rave reviews. And

1779
01:39:06.520 --> 01:39:09.770
I would say as a movie, the characters are memorable.

1780
01:39:09.829 --> 01:39:11.130
Their friendship is fun.

1781
01:39:11.770 --> 01:39:12.770
It works really well.

1782
01:39:13.369 --> 01:39:17.430
It's got a ton of, I will characterize it as like,

1783
01:39:18.109 --> 01:39:23.529
Filipino mythology or folklore, spiritually speaking. And so they run

1784
01:39:23.590 --> 01:39:28.630
into a bunch of things on Forgotten Island that feel borderline,

1785
01:39:28.789 --> 01:39:35.079
just demonic. I mean, really pretty dark spiritually. And this

1786
01:39:35.140 --> 01:39:38.300
is also a movie that is pretty intense. And I

1787
01:39:38.340 --> 01:39:44.819
think it's certainly being, you know, aimed at kids. But yeah,

1788
01:39:45.170 --> 01:39:46.850
I think it's the kind of movie that could leave

1789
01:39:46.909 --> 01:39:49.050
lots of kids actually with nightmares.

1790
01:39:49.130 --> 01:39:49.789
So I think.

1791
01:39:51.170 --> 01:39:52.439
One of the reasons you want to come to Plugged

1792
01:39:52.449 --> 01:39:54.060
In is because we're going to give you a spiritual

1793
01:39:54.100 --> 01:39:57.680
perspective that not very many other outlets are going to

1794
01:39:57.760 --> 01:40:01.840
give you. So I think there are some reasons not

1795
01:40:01.880 --> 01:40:04.180
to just sort of drink the Kool-Aid here and cart

1796
01:40:04.220 --> 01:40:06.899
everybody off in the old station wagon, never mind that

1797
01:40:06.930 --> 01:40:09.869
nobody has station wagons anymore, to.

1798
01:40:09.750 --> 01:40:12.189
The theater and say, well, maybe.

1799
01:40:13.520 --> 01:40:15.850
Maybe we pass on this one or maybe we wait.

1800
01:40:17.210 --> 01:40:19.350
So some things to be cautious about here.

1801
01:40:19.409 --> 01:40:19.850
Definitely.

1802
01:40:20.430 --> 01:40:20.569
Yeah.

1803
01:40:20.590 --> 01:40:22.310
The station wagon is today's SUV.

1804
01:40:22.590 --> 01:40:22.829
Yes.

1805
01:40:23.630 --> 01:40:25.529
So, and all as well, you know, just a little

1806
01:40:25.550 --> 01:40:27.510
bit of design. That's all. I mean, when you think

1807
01:40:27.550 --> 01:40:30.560
of the difference between the two, you know, you get

1808
01:40:30.579 --> 01:40:31.659
a lot more kids in there.

1809
01:40:31.720 --> 01:40:32.079
It's all that.

1810
01:40:32.100 --> 01:40:33.319
That's right.

1811
01:40:33.720 --> 01:40:37.600
Hey, but you know, it's interesting to note that the

1812
01:40:37.659 --> 01:40:41.640
amount of demonization that is being included in the culture.

1813
01:40:41.659 --> 01:40:41.739
Yeah.

1814
01:40:42.720 --> 01:40:44.079
Are we being conditioned here?

1815
01:40:45.239 --> 01:40:46.020
Well, I think so.

1816
01:40:46.239 --> 01:40:49.180
I mean, I think that you could look at it

1817
01:40:49.260 --> 01:40:52.279
as glass half full, glass half empty, right? On one hand,

1818
01:40:52.340 --> 01:40:56.699
you can say, certainly this is a non-Christian worldview and

1819
01:40:56.779 --> 01:41:00.920
perspective that perhaps dulls us to thinking about the real

1820
01:41:01.560 --> 01:41:06.020
reality of demonic things. On the other hand, I think

1821
01:41:06.090 --> 01:41:08.090
every time that we see a movie that does have

1822
01:41:08.130 --> 01:41:12.760
those spiritual elements... You could also say that's evidence that

1823
01:41:12.880 --> 01:41:17.380
some part of our creation in God's image remembers that

1824
01:41:17.420 --> 01:41:21.449
there's a spiritual reality. And different cultures may have a

1825
01:41:21.510 --> 01:41:24.729
spiritual understanding that doesn't line up with a Christian worldview,

1826
01:41:24.810 --> 01:41:28.250
but there is that memory that there's good and bad,

1827
01:41:28.310 --> 01:41:31.579
there's good and evil, there are demonic forces. So I

1828
01:41:31.640 --> 01:41:35.079
actually think that you could look at it from both directions,

1829
01:41:35.140 --> 01:41:37.659
and different families are going to have different perspectives on that.

1830
01:41:38.250 --> 01:41:39.729
And I think it's going to open the door to

1831
01:41:39.750 --> 01:41:41.630
some interesting conversation.

1832
01:41:41.909 --> 01:41:42.350
Exactly.

1833
01:41:42.380 --> 01:41:44.100
Because you and your family and the kids, you know,

1834
01:41:44.140 --> 01:41:44.680
they love to.

1835
01:41:44.720 --> 01:41:45.479
Talk about stuff.

1836
01:41:45.800 --> 01:41:49.800
Yeah, exactly. Because the thing that is going on here is,

1837
01:41:49.859 --> 01:41:51.880
all right, what is this? What is this telling you

1838
01:41:52.399 --> 01:41:56.670
in terms of, you know, the current biblical worldview, the

1839
01:41:56.710 --> 01:42:02.770
contrast against the current biblical worldview? And is this manipulative?

1840
01:42:03.279 --> 01:42:03.460
Right.

1841
01:42:03.479 --> 01:42:06.430
And should we like anything? You know, I was watching,

1842
01:42:06.970 --> 01:42:09.510
you know, some I love documentaries and I was watching

1843
01:42:09.930 --> 01:42:16.609
some documentaries on Bruce Lee. And Bruce Lee was it

1844
01:42:16.649 --> 01:42:20.359
was interesting how, you know, what made him such a genius.

1845
01:42:20.939 --> 01:42:24.079
And it's almost what it reminded me of when I

1846
01:42:24.119 --> 01:42:27.909
was a disc jockey in Bakersfield. We had an opportunity.

1847
01:42:27.930 --> 01:42:30.850
I love when you open stories with that phrase, when

1848
01:42:30.890 --> 01:42:33.010
I was at this jockey in Bakersfield.

1849
01:42:33.090 --> 01:42:37.010
Yeah, right. Well, you know, because it's interesting because when

1850
01:42:37.029 --> 01:42:39.989
you're in the radio business, as you know, you can

1851
01:42:40.050 --> 01:42:42.649
be pulled into all kinds of events, right?

1852
01:42:42.850 --> 01:42:43.310
Oh, yeah.

1853
01:42:43.590 --> 01:42:47.090
And so in this particular case, I was pulled into

1854
01:42:47.569 --> 01:42:49.850
and I played basketball in school and I was a

1855
01:42:49.880 --> 01:42:52.279
pretty good basketball player as a point guard, obviously not

1856
01:42:52.319 --> 01:42:56.939
a center, but a point guard. And had the opportunity

1857
01:42:56.979 --> 01:42:59.600
of a lifetime to play against the Harlem Globetrotters.

1858
01:42:59.859 --> 01:43:00.479
Oh, man.

1859
01:43:01.699 --> 01:43:05.439
That's awesome. Well, it was awesome. I mean, and there

1860
01:43:05.460 --> 01:43:07.079
it is. Metal Ark Lemon.

1861
01:43:07.239 --> 01:43:10.300
Metal Ark Lemon. I was drinking Curly, the bald guy.

1862
01:43:10.899 --> 01:43:13.340
Oh, yeah. I mean, all that. It was just amazing.

1863
01:43:14.270 --> 01:43:19.729
And it kind of reminded me because the IQ of

1864
01:43:19.789 --> 01:43:22.529
the Harlem Globetrotters when it came to basketball was a

1865
01:43:22.810 --> 01:43:26.859
lot like– like Bruce Lee, they were a step ahead.

1866
01:43:27.520 --> 01:43:30.699
And the same thing, like with Wayne Gretzky, Wayne Gretzky said,

1867
01:43:30.739 --> 01:43:32.079
I never followed the puck. I went to where the

1868
01:43:32.100 --> 01:43:32.720
puck was going.

1869
01:43:33.119 --> 01:43:33.300
Right.

1870
01:43:33.539 --> 01:43:34.350
So he's always ahead of it.

1871
01:43:34.380 --> 01:43:34.520
Right.

1872
01:43:34.579 --> 01:43:35.359
Or Caitlin Clark.

1873
01:43:35.460 --> 01:43:37.060
Let's just bring it into my current fave.

1874
01:43:37.380 --> 01:43:37.500
Right.

1875
01:43:37.520 --> 01:43:37.819
That's right.

1876
01:43:37.920 --> 01:43:42.699
Yeah, exactly. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. You know, and so, and

1877
01:43:42.720 --> 01:43:47.109
there's a unique perspective and talent that, that does that.

1878
01:43:47.789 --> 01:43:51.590
And so, you know, I, I just, I just share

1879
01:43:51.630 --> 01:43:55.289
that with you. only because it's good memories, but also

1880
01:43:55.390 --> 01:43:58.609
I think it's pertinent to think about, okay, where is

1881
01:43:58.649 --> 01:44:01.829
this heading? And we need to be discerning enough to

1882
01:44:02.329 --> 01:44:05.729
get ahead of it and not to be reactive, be

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proactive because, hey, look, God's warned us real clear that

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this is happening. And when we look at what's going

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on with society now, I mean, you got more, you

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got the vice president of the United States talking about

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these are the last days, right?

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Right.

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Yeah, exactly.

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I mean, the spiritual reality is there. And I think,

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you know, we go back to Ephesians 6, and Paul

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lays it out, and he says there is a spiritual

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battle happening in the heavenlies, and our response is to

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gird ourselves in the armor of God. I won't go

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into a detailed sermon on Ephesians 6, but Paul says,

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you know, there is a conflict happening. You need to

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be aware of it, and here's how you respond wisely

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to it.

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Exactly.

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Exactly.

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Well, God's given us the prescription. Are we listening? Do

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we have ears to hear? Exactly.

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Do we have ears to hear?

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01:44:53.979 --> 01:44:57.470
Another interesting movie out. I love movies with dogs. And

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01:44:57.569 --> 01:45:00.789
Heart of the Beast has captured me. So tell us

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about Heart of the Beast.

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Yeah.

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So Heart of the Beast is a new movie starring

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Brad Pitt. He plays a soldier who's struggling with PTSD,

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both he and his dog. I believe Brad Pitt's character's

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name is James. The dog's name is Odin, as in

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the Greek god Odin. they are looking to start a new, beautiful, quiet,

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peaceful chapter of their lives in the Alaskan wilderness. But

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wouldn't you know it, they're flying to their new home

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and Brad Pitt has a heart attack and their plane

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crashes in Alaska. And we get a fairly straightforward survival

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story from there. And they encounter Exactly what you think

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they would encounter, grizzly bears and wolves and mooses. Oh, my.

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On cue. Yes, sir.

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On cue.

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There it is.

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It's a pretty good movie.

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And their relationship definitely tugs at the heartstrings. As dog

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movies go, this is a pretty good one.

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Forgive me.

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I got to cough. Yeah, that's okay. Well, you know,

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and the thing is, I look at the dog and

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the German Shepherd and, you know, the face of German

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Shepherds are just precious.

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Yeah.

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In a way, I mean, it's very, very refined. And

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I think German Shepherds looked away to me the way

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01:46:23.550 --> 01:46:28.050
dogs should look, you know? They look like a dog. Yes, exactly.

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I mean, just, and the eyes, I mean, just these inquisitive, yet,

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you know, just warm, warm eyes, just looking for somebody

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who will pet them and respond with equal heart.

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Or they look at a wolf and say, you're evil,

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I'm going to kill you.

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Yes, exactly.

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So it goes both ways.

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Right, exactly. Well, you've got to have a little bit

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01:46:49.720 --> 01:46:51.079
of contrast there.

1943
01:46:51.119 --> 01:46:52.460
You've got to have a little bit of contrast. So

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PG-13 movie, quite a bit of violence. I mean, watch

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the trailer. I think it gives you a good idea

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of what to expect. No huge surprises here, at least

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01:47:04.449 --> 01:47:08.220
in the content. There might be some surprises in the story.

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I won't spoil it, but it is... It's a well-told

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story with quite a bit of that intense violence in it.

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Mm-hmm.

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So, Heart of the Beast, in theaters this weekend?

1952
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In theaters this weekend, yeah.

1953
01:47:22.329 --> 01:47:25.010
Wow. Well, good. And good for Brad Pitt. I think

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he needs a gig. I think he's, you know... He

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01:47:27.689 --> 01:47:28.149
needs a gig.

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You know, when I saw him downtown the other day,

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I'm like, Brad, when are you doing another movie?

1958
01:47:31.720 --> 01:47:31.920
So.

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I just did one. And I got three more in

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the can somewhere. You'll hear about them later.

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01:47:37.180 --> 01:47:37.739
Exactly.

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You think I can just sit around? I got lots

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of kids to support.

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01:47:41.359 --> 01:47:43.779
So he actually has a house here in Carmel where

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01:47:43.850 --> 01:47:48.029
I live. And our football team won the state championship

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01:47:48.869 --> 01:47:51.210
two years ago, I think. And apparently he showed up

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01:47:51.250 --> 01:47:53.069
at the victory parade, but I didn't actually have.

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A chance to see him. Oh, wow.

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Well, he missed out, huh?

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He missed out. Okay.

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Well, we got less than a minute left, so I'm

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going to let you wrap up. What else we can

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look forward to there at PluggedIn.com?

1974
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Well, you should check out our old timer review or

1975
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our classic review of Amazing Grace, which is streaming on

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have you grab our app and take a look at that.

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And obviously plugged in is a ministry of focus on

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