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0:00 Are you ready? Yeah. Okay, let's do it. Bill Martinez Live, a program about current events, our culture, our values, our politics, and our future. And now, Bill Martinez. Hey, good morning, America. Glad you could join us. Bill Martinez here. For more information on the show, BillMartinezLive.com. And we've got Horace Cooper with us, the constitutional former law professor and legal expert. Mr. Horace, how are you doing, sir? Good morning. It's great to be on the show. Always good to be talking to you, my man. I love it. Because you keep us on top and, you know, you keep us constitutional, which is, you know, sadly, it's unique, you know, in our country today that everybody wants to abandon the Constitution these days. But it's interesting, Horace, is that they have nothing better to offer. They just want to get rid of it.

0:50 Well, yeah, you know, that's the irony. Here we are celebrating 250 years of our breakaway from. The United Kingdom, then called Great Britain. And while we should be acknowledging what an amazing thing our founders worked out as a result of our revolution, how amazing this country is, how it is the most consequential country on the planet. And yet we have some people that hate it. that believe it is terrible and would tear it down.

1:32 I don't mean tear down America. Yes, they would do that too. I mean the very things that help to make America work. A lot of younger people haven't ever really been trained on our Constitution. And so they see a lot of rules and they see You know, you got three different parts of government. You got a federal system. You got a president with powers, a legislature with powers. They get a little confused. They don't understand the electoral college. And therefore, they end up with, let's just cut and paste and remove. Other countries aren't doing that.

2:16 Well, they're right. They aren't. But they don't have the amazing accomplishments we do. Right, and on top of that, Horace, they're being indoctrinated. We've got a lot of professors, if the truth be known, that are not necessarily pro-American, and we've turned our kids over to them to be indoctrinated at tuition charges that are just incomprehensible, that are turning our future into indentured servitude at the behest of 100,000-plus in tuition debt. Yeah, so here, it's very interesting. The indoctrinators say that they're looking out for these young people. They don't give them a fair and balanced view of what's going on or the facts. They spit out really hardcore leftism and punish them for not accepting it while simultaneously assessing them with debt that is going to leave the lion's share of these young people in debt for the rest of their lives. There isn't some magic desire to be a blessing on their part that motivates them. They cripple them with false information about how the world works, and then they saddle them with debt. This is not something your friend would ever do to you.

3:45 Right, exactly. Well, and this has been a comprehensive situation that has been the result of democratic, dare I say, policies. We're $ 40 trillion in debt. And as I had asked another expert who came on the show, I said, how much of that $ 40 trillion is tied to vote getting? He said, all of it. Well, absolutely. We have developed a system that is more interested in rewarding people for demanding more from government. That is a philosophy. That's not an option. That's not a consequence of a natural outworking. That is a philosophy. Everywhere it is tested. Can you do better? Without the government in the way doing it for you, or does the government do it better? The government fails. There is only one thing that the government really does better, and that's international relations and warfare. Oh, and by the way, I'm not saying they do it great. I'm just saying they do it better than individuals could do.

4:56 Yeah, but there's one party that stands out, though, Horace. When you're talking about national security, clearly, historically, there has been one party that's done a better job than the other. Oh, no, no, that's true. But what I mean is the simple inherent truth. Right. Government behavior is inefficient. Government behavior isn't about accountability. Government behavior isn't even about success. You run an agency that fits under the rubric of charity. You're only interested in continuing your agency. You're actually interested in resolving the problem.

5:38 You want a bigger budget. You want higher salaries. What we can tell is where we let the private sector operate, we see real efficiencies, real superiority, and real benefits to real people. Exactly. Well, look at what's going on with the fraud issue. You know, of course, we had when Donald Trump came into office 18 months ago, Elon Musk was here saying, look, I could find at least a trillion dollars in fraud and waste, right? And what's happened? Of course, they tarred and feathered him, got him out of Dodge because they didn't want him. They didn't want him poking around and finding out the fraud and waste that's going on. See, this has all contributed to the feelings and the perception of the corruption in our government. And now J.D. Vance has become the fraud czar. And we're finding out, I mean, every week we're having new... you know, new reports of billions of dollars of fraud and waste that's taking place.

6:41 And this is from the hard-earned money of the taxpayers, Horace. That's right. So I want to circle back to your observation about vote buying. It's a philosophical choice. It's not about making people happier. It's not about making people more literate. It's not about making people healthier. It's a philosophical choice to use the money that you contribute, that I contribute, that your listeners contribute to get votes, to get people in power who will just replicate it. You know, a hundred years ago, let's just go back a hundred years ago, the middle of the 1920s, During that period, government didn't do 80% of what it does today. Here's what I want to hear people tell me. Just how awful it was to be an American citizen in the 1920s. You know what history calls the 1920s? The Roaring Twenties. We created more millionaires and back then a million dollars was a lot worth a lot more than it is now.

7:49 We were building the Empire State Building. There are all of these unbelievable accomplishments. The automobile expanded to be something that everybody would ultimately have. My point about this is the 1920s weren't a period of deprivation. They were a period where all Americans believed that it was our job to raise our family, to provide for them, to support them. And it was our job as individuals to do the same for ourselves when we became adults. Government couldn't tease and try to bribe you into supporting it. We have flipped it. And so Elon Musk comes in and says, whoa, let's cut this out. You got people that say, even if you can show me that it's fraud, that it's a leering center, not a learning center, I'm mad at you for revealing it more than I am about the fraud itself.

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13:26 We're talking with Horace Cooper, the nationally recognized legal commentator and former constitutional law professor and author. And, you know, as you say, Horace, in those days, rightfully so, there was the kind of alignment that our founders expected to have, and that is that politics would be downstream the culture. But what has happened in the recent decades, that has flipped to where it's now, it's the politics ahead of culture. And so this is why our culture is so angry, I believe. Yep. In 1926, if you said healthcare is a right that should be guaranteed by the government, you'd be laughed out of the room. Even if a professor said it in his classroom, it would cause uproarious laughing among his students. Today, even though, true fact, even though everywhere national healthcare has been tried, it ultimately consumes the GDP, pushing back national defense, the one thing that government is actually supposed to exist for, And cripples the ability to provide even for roads, provide for bridges, or any of the other kinds of services.

14:54 And it is the reason so many countries can't pay their NATO dues. So many countries tower in fear of Russia because they know they don't have the military might to stand up. Why would we do that? Here in America, the trillions of dollars in debt that we are would only be exacerbated by taking on that task. And oh, and by the way, we would still have as many or more unhealthy people, as many or more deaths occurring.

15:35 All we do is fund a huge new bureaucracy. Well, look at what happened with Obamacare. I mean, the big mantra, Horace, going into that is, oh, there's 30 million uncovered citizens that need to be covered, 30 million. And so when we instituted Obamacare, I kept asking, okay, how are we doing with that number? Is it starting to get reduced? Well, they couldn't give you a straight number because it all got homogenized and confused on purpose. And so now they said out loud here recently, I think in the last month or two, is they're back using that 30 million number after all the trillions that we spent on Obamacare to your exact point. It is the same phenomenon that we've seen in education.

16:18 It's the same phenomenon that we've seen with nutrition. Where the government does, there is no example. And I don't mean to be critical of defense. It's just the government can't do competently. It's just some things only government can do. But it's not like it's doing it at a maximum efficiency. In the 1930s and 40s, There was a line of thought by Weber, a German, Max Weber, a German philosopher who said, all we need is to have agents, bureaucrats, that we assign tasks and they will efficiently resolve maleducation, malnourishment, malhousing, and guess what? Just like what we learned with Obamacare now, the trillions that were spent made little to no reduction whatsoever.

17:24 In fact, if it hadn't been for economic growth, we would have the same percentage of poverty and illiteracy, malnourishment that we had before this whole experience started. Yeah, exactly. And then say welcome to the administrative state, unelected bureaucrats running your lives, telling you what kind of light bulb and washing machine you should have in your household. Horace, I want to shift a little bit if we can. Some good news for Donald Trump. I mean, it just seems like every day you read something about, you know, some activist judge or, you know, the Supreme Court not going in a way that we think that it should go to protect our democratic republic. But this one was interesting that we got on, and that was regarding New York's flamboyant Attorney General Letitia James accused Trump of fraud, if you remember, for overvaluing his property. And the New York Supreme Court Judge Arthur Engeron infamously found Trump guilty because the market value of Mar-a-Lago, if you remember— He said it was between 18 and 27.6 million. Like all of a sudden, Erdogan is the real estate guru in Yoda of Florida. Of course, you know, the evaluations came in and said, in fact, you know, Erdogan's estimation was very, very low. It was more like it was actually higher than what Trump had put down. The courts just ruled that the value of the property is $ 650 million. So

18:56 far and away larger than $ 18 million that Erdogan and Letitia James claimed, right? Absolutely. These judges ought to stick to practicing law and not so much sending improper photos to people of themselves. Right. Whole theory was that super wealthy financial institutions couldn't look out for themselves. They were going to be tricked and manipulated by Donald Trump. When they were asked in court, were you tricked and manipulated? They said, no, we also do our own independent valuations. Now we have this report that even Donald Trump's valuation was lower than the actual market value. Unbelievable. how much time was wasted. But this litigation assault is something, again, that our founders never intended.

19:59 And it is being weaponized all across America. Yeah. What's going on with the Supreme Court? I mean, here we are coming to the midterms. Trump was pushing hard for the SAVE Act to secure our elections in the process. At every turn, it just seems that whether it's activist judges or even the Supreme Court, that we're not all on the same page here, which to me is like, well, the Constitution commands that we secure free and fair elections, does it not? Absolutely, it does. So here's where you have this competition of conflict, potentially, that the left is trying to ride on.

20:40 The Constitution also gives state governments authority to regulate elections. The left says that that's exclusive and that there can be no space for any other federal role, even though the language explicitly says, except for any regulations that Congress may provide for. Congress passed a constitutional amendment that enacted prohibition, and then they passed a constitutional amendment that eliminated prohibition. When they eliminated it, they gave the power to the states. Almost immediately, some states wanted to claim that their power to regulate alcohol distribution trumped or overwhelmed any other federal regulation or limits. and the Supreme Court has consistently held, yes, you have this power, but the federal government's power in its space is also supreme. Therefore, we can use antitrust regulation on your alcohol. We can prevent you from distributing alcohol using our mail service. We have the ability to tax you All of our powers continue. Yes, within the confines of your state, you can set your rules. Well, guess what? The president simply said you can't use the USPS to engage in election fraud.

22:13 Exactly. You may not be aware of this, but there's a hundred plus year old statue saying you can't use the postal service to undertake fraud. selling counterfeit goods, tricking people with a Ponzi scheme, or any number of things. They've just recently added you can't send flammable liquids. My point about all of that is there's congressional power on this side. And by the way, the USPS is a creation company. of the Constitution. Not just some good idea that Congress came up with. Our founders intended for us to operate this.

22:59 And so I have to tell you, Bill, I'm very disappointed. I'm very disappointed that the Supreme Court ignored the long line of case law showing that when the Constitution empowers a state to do something and the Constitution empowers the federal government to do something, the state doesn't get to simply say, well, since we have this power, you can't act. That's never been the analysis. It shouldn't be the analysis here. Alito, Kavanaugh, and Thomas all agreed that that wasn't the appropriate analysis. Now, the Supreme Court struck down these. Well, they didn't strike them down. They said they can't be implemented. until next spring after they have full arguments saying, oh, it caused chaos. Well, Alito explained in his dissent, in this decision, it's not the job of the Supreme Court or any court to be concerned about the implementation. If it's constitutional, then they got to go with the program. Only if it's not, do they come to our court for relief. And then he said, oh, and by the way, it's the courts itself.

24:24 Chief Justice Roberts took 21 days for the first appeal by the Trump administration on the USPS rules, and then took 13 days for the second. Then all of a sudden, oh, well, states are already starting their election process. We've got to deal with that. Yeah, unbelievable. Well, we've got to leave it there. Horace Cooper, former constitutional law professor, recognized legal commentator and author. Thank you, Horace. Take care. To be continued. Thank you. Hey, just a quick reminder, you can catch the show on all major podcast platforms, YouTube, Spotify, Apple Podcasts, wherever you listen. Be sure to download or subscribe so you don't miss any Bill Martinez Live episode.

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28:49 Well, doing well. What about you? Hey, doing wonderful. You know, just catching up on all the stuff that's going on. I guess Macklemore, here he is. I mean, Ed Sheeran. I mean, this has gone just absolutely crazy on the Internet. Ed Sheeran picks this guy up. He's pretty much I don't know, not really, you know, I think an A-lister type of opening act, but he gives him an opportunity. And, you know, I don't know what Ed Sheeran was thinking or his people. What did they think Macklemore was going to do? Well, I mean, first of all, I haven't heard the name Macklemore in a while. Macklemore is a rapper who did the song Thrift Shop about 10 or.

29:36 12 years ago. He's actually a pretty good rapper. I mean, I listen to hip hop. He's got a decent flow on the mic. But he's also a political radical. And I'm very surprised he's on the Ed Sheeran tour. But anyway, yeah, he went out and he... started chanting things like free Palestine. And he's done this before. I mean, there was a show that actually a couple of friends of mine attended where he dressed like a Hasidic Jew. He put on a prosthetic nose. I mean, it's one of the more offensive things I've ever seen. It's up there like old blackface. They had a kippah on. And so he apparently had pledged not to do things like this. He went out and started screaming free Palestine and you know, criticizing the United States.

30:17 He's burnt American flags before. And apparently the tour and the other acts just said, you know, we're a kind of centrist, mostly rock show. Like, you got to get out of here. So Macklemore is going back to obscurity, relative obscurity. Well, maybe, although, you know, this is like anything, any kind of publicity, as they say in the business, is good publicity. Nobody heard his name in a long time, as you said, but they're hearing a lot of it now. But by the same token, Ed Sheeran, I think his kind of sealed up in his own conscience what it's all about. I mean, he's very nonpolitical. He's there about being an entertainer. And, you know, it's silly for these entertainers, especially for the amount of money you're paying for a ticket, that you go and you want to be, you know, indoctrinated with some political idea that certainly if you don't agree with it, it's even worse yet, right?

31:10 I don't see anything wrong with, I mean, so you and I both speak, both do business. And I mean, doing that, you meet a lot of bluntly rich people. So I mean, you'll go to people's houses and you'll see that guys who might be the local TV anchor, it might be the businessman who owns a couple of oil wells. People have strong political opinions. They'll express privately. But I think that there's nothing wrong with entertainers doing that. The difference is that entertainers have public platforms. So if my girlfriend convinces me to go to a fashion show or something, I don't really want a model with no background in my field, really, or yours jumping up on stage and talking about the situation in Tibet or something like that. And this has been a running joke for decades. I think it was Laura Ingraham actually got annoyed enough about it, wants to write a book called Shut Up and Dribble, where she went through hundreds of these cases.

31:57 And the NBA, MLB, which tended to be more to lead right, but the NFL, so on down the line. I think it's the same silly thing that it always has been. I don't think Macklemore has a very deep, beyond Wikipedia, understanding of most of these issues. I mean, so if he's talking. About Hasidic Jewish settlement in the pale in Gaza or whatever, I mean, I don't think he really understands the arguments on both sides. Just sort of, you're raised in that left-wing milieu, there are people sitting around you Maybe smoking pot, drinking wine and talking about this stuff. And so you start commenting on it in your shows. If I were giving advice to someone in the music business, it would just be if you actually showed up for your show on time and performed the songs live and maybe had a band there, you'd become one of the most popular acts in the country. The more you detract from that, from practicing your craft, the more you're doing useless stuff no one wants to see. No one cares about Macklemore's take on Arab-Israeli fighting.

32:58 Right. Exactly. I mean, Tom Peters decades ago, you know, said stick to your knitting. You remember In Search of Excellence was his book? And that was one of the principles that he had discussed in his book. And that is, you know, you got to stay in your lane. And McLemore evidently, you know, feels like, you know, he wants to find another lane. But when he does, then he minimizes his significance. And in this case, he may have blown himself, you know, to oblivion. You know, especially, you know, he ticks off Robert Kraft, but even Robert Kraft know to his credit says look at you're not you're not welcome here you know with that but if you want to sit down and talk i'd be happy to talk to you about it.

33:40 Yeah i think i think a lot of people would say that it so freedom of speech exists in america and i think craft and a lot of other powerful people respect the existence of freedom of speech freedom of speech though protects you as a citizen it protects those kind of conversations you can have it actually doesn't protect you in business from your boss or your clients So there's no requirement that someone has to keep you on a musical tour if they don't like your politics and you keep expressing them. And I think it was Clay Travis in his own book on ESPN. I forget the name right now, but sort of made this point. Like, if you're a football player who keeps talking about, say, abortion and you end up costing the team $ 15 million, if you're a good enough wide receiver to get paid $ 7 million, you're an $ 8 million liability. So why don't you just shut up about abortion? I mean, that's an opinion your wife can have in her personal life. It's not something you really need to bring to the workplace.

34:40 And I do think a lot of people forget that. We'll often have. Students describe, I mean, and say accurately enough, like, I have the right to say what I want. And you have to explain, yeah, but you guys are state university students. You're going to be working on trading floors. So you absolutely don't have a right to say capitalism is awful in that environment and expect to be retained. So we just saw an example of that. Well, you know as well as I do that these HR organizations and departments are doing their research. And one of the things that they ask aspiring candidates is, hey, show me your social media. you know, they want to check it out. And if they're seeing something that is suspicious, that doesn't match up with the culture, you know, they're going to just find a very nice way to show you the exit and move on to another candidate. And so, you know, when I was an adjunct professor in Southern California, I warned the kids. I said, you got to be careful about what you put on your social. Yeah, you have every right. You can go ahead and do it, but understand there's could be consequences that you'll regret down the road. And I'm just, you know, sharing some experience with you that you want to As one boss I had early on in my broadcast career, he said to me quite clearly, Bill, you want to limit the negatives.

35:54 I think that's correct. I mean, years ago, I was talking to my girlfriend at the time, Lou Coyne, about an upcoming interview. And I think it was for something like an adjunct professor slot, actually. But I asked her how she thought I would do. And she said, well, you're quite good. I love you and all that. But you're going to be one of 50 people there in a blue blazer. It's going to be all of you guys lined up in a row. So the question is, does anything distinguish you kind of positively or negatively? We worked out, I'd written an article recently. So what would the positive be? But yeah, it's the same thing. Like if you're the person, by the way, this applies for right-wing guys too. If you're a person who is a very prominent kind of semi-anon on Twitter, Facebook, who regularly posts party and rave images, or for that matter, you're the guy with like the Roman statue face, but everyone knows who you are. And you keep commenting about how the USA should be an all white nation or something.

36:47 Yeah. I mean, someone is very possibly going to find that. The one thing I will say, a lot of young executives have figured out just one solution here is to have totally fake social media. So you'll have a page that's like Sherry Marguerite, your actual name, and it's just you going to friends' weddings and so on. And then there's your actual Sherry Shay or whatever, your actual page that's almost unfindable. So that's an individual decision for people to make. But yeah, if you are out there publicly doing and saying crazy stuff before you get work, yeah, that's going to be kind of negative for you. And I think a lot of The other thing for famous people is that even if you get too big for that really to impact you, like I think Jay-Z did, you're also minimizing the amount of money you make and the amount of sort of togetherness you can bring in your country. It's up to you how much you care about that. But like Michael Jordan's famous line was, you know, Republicans buy shoes, too.

37:42 Black, white, whatever. Everyone plays basketball. So I'm not going to make any racist or any political statements. You've got a fairly radical black guy running against Jesse Helms. I'm not going to endorse either one of these guys because that's not my job. And I think that's a healthy position more people should take. Well, look at Dolly Parton. You know, everybody's been you know, everybody loves her. I mean, Republican, Democrat, independent. They just love her spirit. And, you know, you really didn't know her politics. I mean, there were a couple of things, you know, that I heard about that I didn't particularly agree with. But that's OK. You know, it wasn't like she was in my face about it. Right. Yeah, I think that, again, you can, Dolly Parton was pretty feminist in the 1960s kind of way, but I don't really think most people, one, object to that in the sense of, yeah, sure, women should be able to have work in almost any job. You're probably not going to be a combat soldier. But one, her positions are pretty reasonable. And two, she also, like you said, didn't talk about them. So I think if Dolly Parton did an ad for Planned Parenthood, that would be the end of Dolly Parton as a unifying figure.

38:43 Like, she'd still be popular. People would go to Dollywood. But there'd be a lot of family arguments on the way there. There would be no like, OK, let's just calm down and ride the teacups. And I think, again, like you kind of the more of let's calm down and ride the teacups you can get. And this is up to you how much you want to balance your speech. But the more successful you're going to be, the more loved you're going to be and the more people you're going to actually help out with the actual thing you do, like her music and her kids and animal charities. So that's that's something to keep in mind. Exactly. We've got to go to a quick break. We've got more from Will on the other side. Stay with us. A new study finds a major increase in STEM learning in after-school programs, but gaps remain. Today, 92% of parents with children in after-school say STEM is available, up from 69% a decade ago. That's 6.4 million kids now getting STEM in after-school. Emma Binet, Overdeck Family Foundation.

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44:21 It wasn't just the Germans. I mean, the Russians, Chinese. I mean, it was just, I mean, it was like absolute madness that had taken over the world in terms of massacring people. But, you know, but certainly what happened on October the 7th of 2023 was madness. And people need to see that. so that they can really put into context what happened, and maybe it might cause them to think twice before they start chanting from the river to the sea. Yeah, I mean, I have seen a lot of the October 7th footage simply because there are a bunch of academic documentaries that did request that material and get it, and it's exactly what you think. I mean, there obviously were a bunch of brutal rapes, although those are presented you know, as non-horrifically as possible.

45:10 There was a lot of just general atrocity. So a gardener from. Thailand, he was a master gardener in the Eastern style, is beheaded with a shovel at one point. You've got guys defending their families and getting shot down. I mean, at one point, the terrorists shot all the dogs. In one of the kibbutzes. So, yeah, I think if you look at that, you obviously realize this is Comanche Raid type of stuff. This is a pretty classic Cossus Belli, you know, an action that starts a war. And you can't really protest that the country that did this then. Lost a war. So, yeah, removing those kind of images from the start of the cycle of discussion of this did, I think, have that effect.

45:52 I don't know, though. I mean, one of the obvious. Reasons that we saw the narrative around 7 October spin toward, like, Israel's retaliation is genocide is is that a lot of the political left is really committed to the idea that everything the West does is horrible. So, I mean, the. First flyers saying stop the retaliatory genocide dropped on September the 8th. This is something I remember seeing, not on Twitter, but on Facebook, where a lot of younger friends of mine are. And my guess would be that there was a pretty substantial media blitz prepared behind that, with some of the Arab, with foreign nationals probably involved, like some of the Arab countries like Qatar funding that.

46:33 So, yeah, we should have made that more available. But I also I don't think that the response from hardcore political libs really had anything to do with the truth. It was just sort of this is the necessary thing to say. If we oppose our own society. You know, and there's there's a mental health question in general about feminist women supporting Hamas in the first place. Right. Exactly. It's like, how does that make any sense? I mean, I still think, you know, of these young Afghani women will. that were driving cars, dressing nice. I mean, everything was, you know, somewhat westernized, I guess, if you could use that term. And suddenly the carpets pulled out from underneath and it's like, hey, here's your new dress. Here's your new outfit.

47:15 That's pretty crazy. It's crazy to observe. And I mean, Francis Fukuyama is a guy who's talked about this. He wrote the book, The Last Man and the End of History, obviously. And that's often presented sort of in a joking tone as the most wrong book of all time. You know, a couple of years after it dropped, 9-11 happened and we fought the Islamists for 20 years. But his actual point is a pretty good one, which. Is that in the 80s and 90s, when the Soviet Union collapsed, like a big civilized nation had actually tried communism, whatever you think of the Russians, like they'd given it a pretty good go. We beat them and. They started selling vodka and street stalls and opened up the country. The argument was that sort of liberal Western influence, Christian influence, democracy was was actually the society of the future in the way that Reds had thought communism would be.

48:05 There was no reason to keep proposing these sort of barbarian alternatives, like living in caves and becoming very religious. And what we saw is that the people who had those viewpoints did not agree. So China took over the torch as a fairly communist country. The Islamists did literally return to traditional medieval Islam. I mean, in Taliban-governed territory in Afghanistan, Women can't talk outside. It sounds like a joke. It sounds like propaganda. No, they're actually, your husband can lash you twice if you do. So all the other societies took a look at the West and said, some said like Japan, well, we'll. Do a version of that. Others said, no, we don't really want that. So, I mean, you have a larger ummah, like militant Muslim community in the world now than you did proportionally probably in 1500.

48:55 So the question is, how do we interact with that? What do we do with China? Latin America, I mean, which is a Catholic civilization, but a bit different from ours. Everyone did not actually just start driving Toyotas and moving toward the one true light. And that surprised a lot of people. Surprised me, honestly. Well, the thing is, I'm surprised with, Will, is that the natural inclination of humanity is to find solutions. some level of freedom and expression. This is why America is such a shining light, as you say, on the hill that draws people to them because they say, hey, I'm not experiencing that. And I see in the West and in America, they're experiencing levels of freedom that I never thought possible. I mean, look what happened during the World Cup.

49:40 You had people coming here from Europe, and they were shocked to see the kind of food that was available in the grocery stores. Yeah, and that's a very old kind of almost campaign ad for capitalism, right? I mean, I'm old enough to remember Gorbachev coming here and trying to play it off as he and Reagan were touring golf courses and so on. But he finally freaked out when he saw a grocery store. And there's that picture of him staring at sort of the meat rack or the ice creams and just being amazed that there were 100 options here. And the question is, well, how does that happen? And I actually use that as an intro to capitalism in one of my classes. Like, well, hundreds of little farmers and merchants each produce cheese or whatever. And the cheese companies compete. And every now and then a big company will buy a little cheese company. And so when you go to the store, you get the cheese rack. If you go to either an agrarian farm stall, now the cheese will be delicious, but in France or Latin America, or you go to anything in a communist country, they probably won't have any food. You're going to find two or three types of, you know, fairly good versions of that product. You're not going to find 180 excellent ones.

50:43 And there's a reason that happens that Tom Stoll's talked about, Milton Friedman's talked about. But yeah, I mean, that's always been the argument. I think the one caveat I would give is individual humans almost all want to be free. I'm not sure that's the trend for human societies because a lot of humans misuse freedom. And it's very easy for leaders to point that out. Like if you debate with an Indian guy online, the first thing they're going to point out is, you know, 10% of the women in your country. Are on OnlyFans. Like, should you be allowed to have all of these freedoms? You say men shouldn't have the power we do in our families. We're a Western, we're a civilized country too, but we don't, 10% of the population is not made up of prostitutes. And that's actually a pretty difficult argument to counter. There are counters. You have, as with religion, you have free will, and that means everything. And some people are going to misuse it. But I'm not sure that there is not an argument against the West from a Muslim. You know, 2% of people here choose to identify with Islam versus Christianity. If you believe that Islam is the only religious way, you're probably going to push for a Muslim society.

51:46 Right. Exactly. You got about three minutes left here, Will. I wanted to get, you know, your perspective and what you're hearing on campus with AI. I mean, over the weekend, you had the CEOs coming out going, maybe we need to hit the brakes here on AI. This thing's moving too fast because I think they ran an experiment. This was unbeknownst to us several months back. And, uh, it seemed like it ran away on them a little bit and freaked them out. Well, that's called the facehugger incident, and it is pretty frightening. A bunch of AI agents were given more relaxed moral instructions of the kind that humans operate under, and they immediately proceeded to— now, AIs don't feel, they don't think, but they were doing cyclically enhancing subroutines within themselves— and apparently decided to go hack a bunch of websites and do all this other stuff. And there is a genuine question of what happens if either our AI agent or a foreign AI agent has a prompt like, stop the destruction of the world by the capitalists.

52:50 Can they shut down Hoover Dam or something? I mean, and it turns out, I actually did an hour or so of research on this, probably not. All of those major installations are bedrocked away from the open internet, where you guys will come in with computers and change major things that have to be done. But could the AI infect those computers? It's somewhat frightening. I do think, though, that because of that reality, there were eight layers or whatever to get into NASA. No, AI is not going to take over the world. I actually think that there's probably an element of now that climate change panic is done, Let's keep the rubes in line with this AI panic. I think that when you look at these corporate executives saying, well, you still need to.

53:32 Follow our lead. The world's not safe yet. I don't think that we're actually going to see chatbots destroy society. But do we need some kind of regulation, us and the Chinese and other serious players, Britain, sit down and talk about this? Yeah, ideally. I mean, we'll see if that happens. Will they cooperate? Do you think China is going to cooperate when the race is on? I think they might because we're somewhat better hackers, believe it or not. They don't think anyone wants the truck, like the central trucking hubs like Chicago in the USA or Beijing over there. I don't think anyone wants all the trucks misrouted so that everyone starts for a week or the kind of things that a computer actually could do.

54:15 I think either we're going to see global cooperation or we're going to see a capitalist solution where there are multiple different AI agents that So you could simply program the anthropic tool to regulate the open AI tool. I don't see any reason that would be impossible. So you do what we have with people, where combined for the next 50 years, the 8 billion people are still probably smarter than the AI agents available. Without a doubt. Sure. The cumulative intelligence. I'll take that. Yeah. So that we have institutions like police and so on, informants, the military to regulate human intelligence. We channel into colleges and hobbies. So I think there is a capitalist solution to the AI problem where, again, there are AIs whose only job is to observe other AIs.

55:01 Now, can you bribe those AIs? I tell you, we're out of time, but I'm looking forward to continuing this conversation with you because this is the very tip of the iceberg. I may sound cynical here, color me cynical, but when you have staffers of politicians, you know, entering into this debate i i just don't have this sense of confidence that they're equipped to really do a great a good job for us just saying right. Well i mean bernie sanders joked about that didn't he i mean i don't like bernie he's a funny guy where he's like when i was growing up they had wood computers you know you had the model on the desk because you could actually afford the you know so i don't i don't know how much this guy knows about computing any of these guys but it's yeah some regulation maybe i hope they bring experts into that panel Right.

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57:27 when we talked to Dr. Fareed, and then he followed up with this incredible book, The Miracle of Imperial Valley. And we're going to talk about that, talk about the implications of the hearing, the committee hearing with Dr. Fauci, because the history is rich. And Dr. Fareed was there from the very beginning. He was saving souls and keeping people away from ventilators. And just like I said, an incredible story. Dr. George Freed, good to have you with us. God bless you. It's great to be with you, Bill, and thanks for all you do. And it's my privilege. Thank you. Well, Dr. Freed, just to remind everybody, let's talk about what it was like day one when all the COVID mandates came out and you got Dr. Fauci, Anthony Fauci, declaring himself as science, right?

58:23 Well, yeah, that's what's so disillusioning in that I'm sort of a contemporary of Fauci and that I, in my history, I was in the public health service after my internship in medicine in Boston and I worked at the NIAID, which he became the director of for 37 odd years. Yeah, and he was building his empire then and he's a few years older than I am, but In any case, I gave respect to those institutions throughout my career and I went on idealistically in my work. And in that era, I was working on SV40 that became an infamous feature.

59:10 of the Moderna vaccine or Pfizer vaccine. One of them that uses still the Ori of SV40 being in the plasmid that people were exposed to. And I actually was a discoverer in that era long ago of the Ori of SV40. That was my claim to fame. And I never thought 50 years later I would be dealing with that again in some ways. But I'm glad I didn't stay with that and went into real clinical medicine. We're in the trenches for 36 years now in the Imperial Valley of California with great communities and great doctors, hardworking doctors.

59:54 in the trenches. We knew what to do. And getting back to the history now that relates to this discussion, Bill, in 2020, we saw the wave of COVID coming on. And we were told by Fauci that there was no treatment for it. And we were told by others that you just let them ride it out and maybe go to the hospital, get intubated if they deteriorate. And ironically, I mean, shockingly, Fauci himself had, in 2005, in working on SARS, described hydroxychloroquine as the preventive and treatment of coronavirus infections. And yet, when we started, we turned to hydroxychloroquine because there was evidence it would be beneficial. Exactly.

1:00:49 Didier Raoult in France and Our great colleague who passed away, Zelensky, or not Zelensky, but Zelenko, who's a friend of mine and a leader in our country. They had protocols where it was very effective. And when it hit us in the Imperial Valley, Brian Tyson, my great colleague, and I developed our own protocol with them. hydroxychloroquine, zinc, vitamin D3, doxycycline or azithromycin, and vitamin C and hydration and steroids if needed. But our protocol was 100% effective. And Fauci was saying and trying to prevent anyone from knowing that, which was, I'll never forgive him for that.

1:01:42 Well, because that was the basis for him to convince the president we needed an emergency authorization. Use, right? Because you could not have the EAU if there was already protocol or there was... you know, relief for the problem, right? Yeah, exactly, Bill. So well stated. Well, we were getting such great results. We became visible nationally and internationally, Brian Hudson and myself and our community, which was the epicenter for California. And we eventually had thousands of great results of patients cured and prevented from hospitalizations. And so I had the honor of being invited to speak about this in the Senate in November, 2020.

1:02:31 And I. Thought that that might turn the corner on it, but it was a deafness by Fauci and these others, CDC and others who were going toward this vaccine approach that quasi vaccine, actually a gene therapy Right. Well, it says a lot about fear, right? It says a lot about fear, that fear would close you off from hearing, you. Know, the good news. Very disillusioning, but we proceeded and we eventually treated maybe 20,000 cases in our community or and from other areas when we were contacted. And we wrote a book about this, and I'm very proud of that book, published in 2020, Overcoming the COVID Darkness, How Two Doctors Successfully Treated 7,000, but we really treated 20,000, with none being dying or getting intubated and being hospitalized.

1:03:28 if treated early, if treated within the first five to seven days of the infection. And many were later presenting to us and doing very well. However, Fauci's hearing prompted Brian and myself to decide to make a new book, a new edition of this or a sequel. with a lot of great contributors. It'll be about 18 of the best doctors that are in the field of infectious diseases and general medicine contributing as well as in other areas that we've worked with throughout the pandemic years and even continually.

1:04:10 But in any case, the book will hopefully be completed by the end of this year, Overcoming the COVID Darkness, 2027, I think, will be in the title. But that's where we stand. And one other thing that's so important is that just this last week, Brian, who was part of a lawsuit against the Attorney General of California that was inflicting repression on doctors like myself, the medical board was coming after Brian and myself and eventually dropped the suit. But This lawsuit now, a federal judge has provided a preliminary injunction against that lawyer, that Attorney General of California, such that doctors like myself and Brian and others on the front lines can speak freely to our patients. And as long as we don't have malpractice or harm someone, we're not going to be subject to an attack by a medical board, an osteopathic board, or another governing body.

1:05:23 So it's a free speech issue also. Well, it's also inherent to you as a medical doctor, your Socratic oath to do no harm. And here you are clearly aware that harm is being done to the American people. I mean, after everything was said and done, over a million people died, Dr. Fareed. Well, that and maybe 500,000 from the gene therapy vaccine that they don't like to talk about. They claim it's maybe 59,000. There should be no death from a vaccine. And I had three patients who died post-vaccine, and many came to me with consequences of myocarditis or pericarditis or other side effects that impacted their lives in a horrible way that shouldn't have occurred. So the fact that the COVID-19 gene therapy vaccines are still out there and new mRNA vaccines are being approved by the FDA is just terrible, in my opinion.

1:06:31 It would seem reckless in light of where we are. And now in understanding that Dr. Fauci wasn't forthright, He did harm, and that's one aspect that has to be handled by the Justice Department, by the government. There are many people here in America that are very upset. They lost loved ones. They didn't get a chance to say goodbye to them, Dr. Fareed, as they passed, right? And I saw that during the pandemic. I was working as a hospitalist in addition to the outpatient work, and it shook me to the core that the suffering that these people individuals had and the horrible endings, like you just stated.

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1:13:14 Fauci said, maybe a couple of weeks. If you're lucky, you might get a couple of months. Well, Dr. Freed, I continued to run tests on my immunity. And after three years, my T-cell count was as strong as ever. Wonderful. Excellent. Yeah. The natural immunity was far more elaborate and effective than the this limited gene therapy vaccine immunity, so-called immunity. And many people got recurrent infections despite multiple boosters from these agents. It was a Russian roulette in a way. And there was just no way that it would be, I've never been in favor of anything that would have a chance of harming significantly or killing an individual.

1:14:08 And it's just pitiful to me to realize that that's what was being inflicted on the whole world. Right. Well, even Dr. Fauci reportedly had an adverse reaction, right? Yeah, he had a pulmonary embolism. Yeah. And he had multiple recurrences of COVID-19 infection. And despite many bouts, many boosters, I presume. Yeah. And of course, it was him who said initially, If you get the vaccine, you won't get COVID. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. Rochelle Walensky said that also, who is the acting head of the CDC at the time. These are people who don't treat patients. In our hearing in 2020, the Democratic representative was someone, a public health individual, Ashish Jha, who never treated a COVID patient. And he came to present evidence that there was no good reason for, no evidence in support of hydroxychloroquine. And that was the main component of our treatment, as was ivermectin in a multi-drug treatment regimen. And so they didn't know what they were talking about. And they were presenting information that was detrimental to the world.

1:15:33 Well, and the situation, you know, I'm based in Florida, and there was a patient in Miami that got some celebrity, so much so that even Donald Trump made reference to it. He was told, you know, two hours before his proposed death that he needed to call his family and talk to them for the last time. And after doing that, they came in and said, look, we got a Hail Mary here. It's called hydroxychloroquine. would you be willing to try this? I'm dying. What do I got to lose? Well, he did. He did. And then two hours later, everything was reversed. And so this made the news. And here, particularly in the East, and Donald Trump made mention of it.

1:16:19 And they all but scolded Donald Trump for even bringing it up, right? I know it was really bad, very bad. And it was We're in a situation where he just had bad advisors, terrible advisors, and he can't be blamed, in my opinion. Right. Well, and again, the deception, and it's clear, and we knew this early on because we had done some reporting on it and research on it and understood that Dr. Fauci had, in fact, invested in the Wuhan laboratory, that he had high interest in gain-of-function. which is just a fancy term for biological warfare, in my humble opinion.

1:17:04 He was funding this work by Ralph Baric, the man who actually genetically did most of the genetic engineering of COVID-19 to make it a pathogen for humans. And they did, and Luc Montagnier, before he died, my hero and Nobel laureate for his work, discovery of HIV, realized this and tried to get this out also early on in the pandemic. And others who sequenced and looked at the genome of COVID-19, that it couldn't have come from nature. And it was all handled by this Barak and Dasik and Xu, I think, in Wuhan, but primarily Barak. And through the funding that he received, millions of dollars from the Department of War, DOW and Fauci, NIAID. And it was, I don't see how the guy like that could look at himself in the mirror when millions died as a consequence of his machinations.

1:18:15 Yeah, I don't know how you sleep at night. We're talking with the medical director, Dr. George Fareed. who he and his partner early on saw the dangers of COVID. His background was well-established and experienced to understand the kind of protocols that should be involved. He wrote a book on it called The Miracle of the Imperial Valley. Early treatment protocols saved thousands. I think over 7,000, we're saying now 20,000 at the end of the day. All these patients grateful that they're not having to deal with the results of the vaccine that many today are dealing with. That, you know, Dr. Farid, we've got a lot of young people in their 30s, some in their 20s that suddenly are dying. And VARS is, you know, they're just not reporting on it in the way they should.

1:19:06 You're absolutely right. We have actually turbo cancers occurring that the immune systems have been damaged in addition to the direct cardiac and neurological damage that causes premature deaths in the population. But the book is titled Overcoming the COVID Darkness. Yes. Not the miracle. Oh, yeah, the miracle of the Imperial Valley is the headline because it really is a miracle, no doubt about it. But then you got a new book coming out. Yeah, we do. And it's going to be even better. And it'll be very timely in terms of giving all the factual information that doctors and the general public need to have and know that, and it's somewhat of a, of a stepping stone or a jumping board from the Fauci hearing. And that's why Brian and I have decided to organize this book.

1:20:08 Right. Well, Dr. Freed, what was it like for you when Sacramento called you up to the Star Chamber and started grilling you with the threat of losing your license? That was a terrible time, a very bad time in 2022. 2021, 2022. And this is even after all the empirical evidence, all the proof of saving lives and doing all the great things that you and Dr. Tyson did, right? Yeah, and they used reasons for doing so after me and for Brian, based upon what we were saying to people like you. And for instance, I spoke at school board meetings and community gatherings and telling the truth about what should be known, that the shutdowns could have been stopped, that masking wasn't effective for an airborne virus, and the kids and teachers could go back to work early if they really understood that the early treatment was so effective and they could avail themselves of it. And that's why someone reported me to the medical board.

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1:25:44 No, that is fair to say. Absolutely. Absolutely. And so it calls upon your Your experiences, as you pointed out, Bill, thank you. And it calls upon your involvement with other colleagues who are doing the same thing around the world, around the state, around your community, if they are, giving you their experience and what they're doing. And what we found in the pandemic is that there were very distinguished and competent people in the community. Latin America, Europe, and in the United States who were using repurposed medications because the pharmaceutical industry hadn't come up with money-making agents that were likely to be effective. When they did in the COVID-19, they came up with Paxlovid that proved to be a bad agent actually with side effects. Interestingly, I do a lot of HIV work. I started the HIV program in the Imperial Valley 35 years ago at the height of the epidemic. And that's when Fauci was promoting AZT. And now I still do that work once or twice a week, clinics in different locations. And it's very gratifying because we have agents that are quite effective. They're costly, the pharmaceutical companies do make a lot of money off of them, but patients' lives are saved for HIV. And I knew

1:27:21 that in the case of COVID, we needed agents and they were there. Fauci himself had described hydroxychloroquine in 2005 and others had shown that that was effective for coronavirus, but ivermectin was getting good results. And so eventually in our protocol, we combined both together. And that's what I presented to the Senate in the hearing that was organized by Senator Ron Johnson, thankfully. And by the way, after the hearings of Fauci a couple of weeks ago, that evening on X, we had a spaces of rehashing the hearing.

1:28:12 And Senator Johnson came on that spaces with me and with other doctors. non-doctors, and I had the chance to thank him personally for inviting me to give the testimony in November 2020 and offer my support for anything else he does that needs additional doctors like me in the future. But in any case, it's come full circle in many ways, and we hope our new book, and I think it will, if it's reviewed, read properly, will give people what they need to know to prevent mishaps down the road if it's going to be necessary in the future.

1:28:56 You mentioned Dr. Fauci and his work with AIDS. The Democrats during the hearing lauded his work and said he did an incredible job. And I'm thinking there's a disconnect here because when I looked at some of the research, I didn't get that. I didn't come to that result. What was missing from that? Was it just the idea that they needed to protect him at all costs, that they even couldn't talk about this sincerely? Right. I think it has to do with at the height of the epidemic of HIV without any therapeutic agents available. He actually was not supporting, for instance, prophylaxis for opportunistic infection in the way it should have been done. And so many died from opportunistic infections early on because they couldn't get the medication back from prevention. And then he went on to promoting AZT that we don't use anymore because it's toxic. And many feel that the agent did more harm than good. Someone like the genetic vaccines do much more harm than good. Many, many doctors with that don't have good placebo-controlled trials to support their safety. And so that's been a big issue that, thank goodness, Robert Kennedy,

1:30:33 RFK Jr., is trying to get corrected. Yeah, you can tell. They say in military terms, Dr. Fareed, that you can always tell when you're over the target, you get all kinds of flack. And RFK Jr. has been getting all kinds of flack, no doubt. Yeah. Now, go ahead. I was just going to say that his book on the real Anthony Fauci is a landmark in what this man is and was and why he needs to be brought to justice in some way. I think the main way is to just totally blemish his whole reputation, which is the least of the punishments, but a very important one to have.

1:31:23 What does it say in terms of a warning to the medical profession, to the country at large, to allow somebody to have this kind of power who could kill millions of people with near impunity, utilize his position and the money from taxpayers to produce really full research to back his premise and his personal interests, as opposed to the interests of the greater good, Dr. Fareed? Well, it's very clear. You stated it perfectly, Bill, that that needs to be eliminated. There should never be any individual with that capability. And it looks like we're getting good changes in these positions of authority and that there'll be not people with empires that they've created and that are sustained for decades like his was.

1:32:22 Right. Wouldn't we hope that this would be bipartisan? This should not be a political issue that divides the country. We should have bipartisan agreement on this, don't you think? I think so. I think so, but it's somewhat laughable. I just think back on that hearing in 2020 in November that I testified, and the lack of empathy and understanding from the minority than the Democrats was just so sad. And yet that's what happened. We left there after telling the truth and nothing basically changed. It was very disillusioning to me.

1:33:06 Well, it had to, you know, really open your eyes to just what a foothold between the media, Dr. Fauci, Mr. Science, Deborah Birx. you know, was quite the... I think in and of itself, it was a bit of a conspiracy. And I'm trying to be diplomatic in just saying a bit. Some might say, and I've had friends say, Bill, you're being too kind. But, you know, look, the jury is still out and contending on this. And I would say the jury of public opinion is coming out, and it's quite clear, especially after the hearing with Dr. Fauci. I had suggested at one point, Dr. Fareed, that maybe...

1:33:49 what the senator should have done was ask the question, allow Fauci to take his fifth, but use his diary to answer the question. Yeah, that's a good idea. I think that it was a bit too fresh, that diary. However, that would have been very worthwhile. And maybe that'll come out later, be made use of more effectively now, that the phone has been accessed, is accessible, and all the facts are being being shown. Well, it's critical that we know the truth. You know, the Bible says the truth sets you free. Well, there's no doubt that I think America is still dealing with some form of PTSD as a result of what happened during COVID, don't you think?

1:34:35 Oh, yeah, absolutely. Yeah, it's going to take years to overcome that. Absolutely. I mean, the way our neighbors were treated, people, you know, it just is disgusting. what we got reduced to in terms of, because of fear, as I mentioned earlier, and how we treated one another, what we did with our children, the loss of years of development in this. I don't know if we'll ever, ever be able to recapture that, Dr. Fareed. Well, it's going to be very difficult to do so. You're right. I don't either. I don't either. And I'm sad to realize that. So when you, As this is all starting to be revealed, certainly yourself and your partner, Brian Tyson, feel some redemption on this. Somewhat bittersweet, you know, in a sense, I say sweet because it confirms all that you were telling us about and all that you were finding out in the trenches saying, hey, this is what we're seeing. And bitter in as much as that it took this moment many deaths, it took this amount of time to get to this point, right?

1:35:50 Yeah, yes. Yeah, that's the case. It was a battle, a real battle. And yet we just continued on with what was effective and what the truth, what we knew to be the truth. And by now it should have been accepted greatly. And it's just there's some forces that are so powerful that are prevailing in our world and in our country that it's not true that we can make it, be able to accomplish what we want to see happen. It's very sad in that regard.

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1:41:04 Since 1991, Dr. Farid has worked clinically at in primary medical care in the Imperial Valley of California. He's been on the front line for early COVID-19 treatment, has practiced the whole spectrum of COVID-19 care, treating outpatients as well as inpatients. As a hospitalist, he testified on November 19, 2020, in a Senate hearing on early COVID-19 treatment. He brought the receipts. He brought the information of... his experience on the front line to the Senate. And unfortunately, there were not enough ears to hear. And I think that part of what was blocking the ears of the senators and so many others, as you kind of referred to it, and I, you know, we got to call it out for what it is. I don't know what else to call it, but pharmaceutical greed, you know, to have already drugs, as you talked about, that could have been easily repurposed.

1:42:01 It would have negated the emergency authorization use. It would have healed a lot of people a lot sooner. I mean, even Dr. Tyson said, your partner, he said, had we done a test and treatment and treat centers all across the United States, we could have saved 80% of the population that died from COVID-19. Think about that, Dr. Reed. That is huge. It is huge. There's over a million died in the United States from COVID-19, and 80% of those would have been saved, if not more, actually. The earlier that it had been made, the standard of care and the fever clinics were set up, like Brian Tyson's urgent care clinics around the United States with the early treatment protocols being offered.

1:42:49 that would have resulted in the cessation of the pandemic. Well, greed abounded. There was no question. Not only in big pharma, other areas. Dr. Fauci leveraged his position. He utilized his power and authority to move taxpayer funds, to come up with evidence, as far as we're realizing that it was then, of course, is now in the, as it comes to daylight, we're realizing how these things were manipulated and how we were lied to, Dr. Fareed.

1:43:29 Yeah, yes, exactly. It was very disillusioning. And I was just here in the remote rural area of California doing clinical work and doing the best thing I could in my different areas. But it You know, it took over everything for me and for Brian Tyson during that two or three year period of time. And yet it just was so disillusioning that this was the case. And I felt that I had been a culprit in my own way of not realizing this was going on. And, you know, I'm an old timer. I plan to keep going for another year. 18 years until I'm 100. I'm 82. Yeah.

1:44:19 Well, that was the question, you know, that I knew that was going around the medical profession, a lot of doctors, because unfortunately, this, you know, promoted early retirement for a lot of good doctors across the country. How many thousands, I mean, thousands of medical professionals that we lost because of this kind of, you know, this lie and what was causing them to do. And they just knew that ethically on so many levels in terms of their Socratic oath to do no harm, that it was impinging on their ethos as medical professionals and they couldn't stand and retired. But one of the things that I often heard them say is they would ask their fellow doctors, are you still in? Cause I need to have a doctor I can trust, right?

1:45:02 Yes, exactly. Yeah, that's right. You're trustworthy is so important. That's what I, I put it the highest level of being trustworthy. So I, that's, uh, and I think the, uh, sad thing is that, uh, the, the medical profession was, uh, in up in arms to support, uh, this, uh, edicts from Fauci and the others in that they they wouldn't uh see that they're they were being misled and and when we would try to get the information out they didn't uh they fought against it or argued that there were other explanations or we were going to be doing more harm than good and if anything they that was the wrong thing and uh people suffered which was very bad.

1:45:50 Well the unfortunate thing is that Dr. Fauci had manipulated it in such a way that he got uh you know, who otherwise would have been credible doctors. I mean, very well degreed in stellar positions. And they're going along with this. And I got to imagine probably for some, if they haven't seared their conscience, it's probably hard for them to sleep at night. Well, maybe or maybe not. People find ways of putting out of their minds things like this and allowing them to be thinking about other areas and resting well at night. I wouldn't be able to myself. Right.

1:46:32 Well, Dr. Freed, I cannot thank you enough for your time, for all the good that you did, especially in the Imperial Valley. And your voice, though you may not realize it, really went across the country and around the world, yours and Dr. Tyson, your book, the information that you gave, the hearing in Congress and all that. I'm going to turn it over to you and let you wrap it up and kind of summarize what you want our viewers to take away and what we can do to make sure this doesn't happen again. Well, I think that it's important that the truth of what happened is out and people recognize that, that there were these terrible mistakes that were made and that people use good judgment about what's safe and effective and what that actually means and look at package inserts in drugs and see what actually is the information on safety and efficacy.

1:47:33 And then don't get swayed by without that type of knowledge. But I think we hope in our book that we're working on, that probably won't be available four or five months, unfortunately, but when it does come out, it will give us so much information from the Global COVID Summit group that Brian and I have been part of in many areas. There are really many areas. It's hard to be succinct in this way of summarizing without realizing that there's so much that has to be a appreciated and understood to be able to be trustworthy for doctors and also to be doing the right thing and to prevent anything like this ever happening again. And I think that if.

1:48:26 We'll definitely send you the first copy of the book. Yeah, because we'll have you back on lickety-split to get into that as well, Dr. Freed. That's very kind of you. I appreciate that. Thank you for the time today, and I look forward to keeping you informed and following all that you do, Bill. And I want to thank Dr. Rich Figueroa, who He's our mutual friend and he is a great doctor and he shared our views and used our protocol with his work in Oxnard and with others that came to him at his urgent care clinic in Oxnard, California. But a great doctor and friend of mine.

1:49:06 Yeah, a friend of both of ours. I mean, he and I were childhood friends and he's been my personal doctor for what, 60 years now? And he often accuses me, Dr. Fareed, of practicing medicine without a license. The great doctor who's interested, my brother, who is an orthopedic surgeon and had to retire from orthopedics because of the pandemic. He just had no clinical practice left in Santa Barbara. He developed an abscess on the back of his neck. All the doctors locally there in Santa Barbara shunned him or wanted to do major surgery for him. I sent him down to Oxnard and Rich cured the abscess, drained it properly, and properly treated and saved his life in a way. But my brother was an inspiration to me in my life and career, older brother, and gave me a lot of good information when I went into clinical practice on the full time 36 years ago. And it led to me being, I don't know if you know this, in 2015, the California Medical Association named me the Rural Doctor of the Year.

1:50:19 Oh, wow. Great. Congratulations. You kept that information away from me, Dr. Freed. Don't be so humble. That was a great honor, the Plessner Award from the California Medical Association. I thought, well, now I can retire from medicine. Well, not yet. You're not yet 100. That's our goal. You said you wanted to practice until you're 100. God bless you. Well, Dr. Freed, thank you so much. Dr. Freed is a medical director, author, and his partner of the book, Overcoming the COVID Darkness. We've got a new book coming up. in the coming months that we'll keep you abreast of. And again, appreciate your time and all the information. I will leave our audience with this quote from Senator Ron Johnson. You made reference to him. This is a good senator out of Wisconsin. He says, and I quote, how many more people would be alive today had the medical establishment followed the example of Dr. Tyson and Dr. Farid instead of heeding arrogant bureaucrats who recommended no treatment for COVID-19 until 2020? It was often too late.

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