Sept. 23, 2026

The Bill Martinez Show 09 23 26

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Bill Martinez Live, a program about current events, our culture,

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our values, our politics, and our future. And now, Bill Martinez.

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Hey, good morning, America. Glad you could join us. Bill

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Martinez here. For more information on the show, BillMartinezLive.com. And

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we've got Horace Cooper with us, the constitutional former law

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professor and legal expert.

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Mr.

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Horace, how are you doing, sir?

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Good morning. It's great to be on the show.

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Always good to be talking to you, my man. I

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love it. Because you keep us on top and, you know,

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you keep us constitutional, which is, you know, sadly, it's unique,

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you know, in our country today that everybody wants to

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abandon the Constitution these days. But it's interesting, Horace, is

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that they have nothing better to offer. They just want

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to get rid of it.

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Well, yeah, you know, that's the irony. Here we are

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celebrating 250 years of our breakaway from.

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The United Kingdom, then called Great Britain. And while we

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should be acknowledging what an amazing thing our founders worked

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out as a result of our revolution, how amazing this

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country is, how it is the most consequential country on

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the planet. And yet we have some people that hate it.

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that believe it is terrible and would tear it down.

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I don't mean tear down America. Yes, they would do

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that too. I mean the very things that help to

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make America work. A lot of younger people haven't ever

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really been trained on our Constitution. And so they see

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a lot of rules and they see You know, you

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got three different parts of government. You got a federal system.

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You got a president with powers, a legislature with powers.

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They get a little confused. They don't understand the electoral college.

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And therefore, they end up with, let's just cut and

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paste and remove. Other countries aren't doing that.

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Well, they're right.

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They aren't. But they don't have the amazing accomplishments we do.

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Right, and on top of that, Horace, they're being indoctrinated.

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We've got a lot of professors, if the truth be known,

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that are not necessarily pro-American, and we've turned our kids

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over to them to be indoctrinated at tuition charges that

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are just incomprehensible, that are turning our future into indentured

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servitude at the behest of 100,000-plus in tuition debt.

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Yeah, so here, it's very interesting. The indoctrinators say that

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they're looking out for these young people. They don't give

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them a fair and balanced view of what's going on

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or the facts. They spit out really hardcore leftism and

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punish them for not accepting it while simultaneously assessing them

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with debt that is going to leave the lion's share

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of these young people in debt for the rest of

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their lives. There isn't some magic desire to be a

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blessing on their part that motivates them. They cripple them

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with false information about how the world works, and then

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they saddle them with debt. This is not something your

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friend would ever do to you.

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Right, exactly. Well, and this has been a comprehensive situation

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that has been the result of democratic, dare I say, policies.

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We're $ 40 trillion in debt. And as I had asked

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another expert who came on the show, I said, how

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much of that $ 40 trillion is tied to vote getting?

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He said, all of it.

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Well, absolutely. We have developed a system that is more

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interested in rewarding people for demanding more from government. That

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is a philosophy. That's not an option. That's not a

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consequence of a natural outworking. That is a philosophy. Everywhere

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it is tested. Can you do better? Without the government

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in the way doing it for you, or does the

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government do it better? The government fails. There is only

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one thing that the government really does better, and that's

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international relations and warfare. Oh, and by the way, I'm

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not saying they do it great. I'm just saying they

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do it better than individuals could do.

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Yeah, but there's one party that stands out, though, Horace.

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When you're talking about national security, clearly, historically, there has

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been one party that's done a better job than the other.

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Oh, no, no, that's true. But what I mean is

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the simple inherent truth.

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Right.

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Government behavior is inefficient. Government behavior isn't about accountability. Government

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behavior isn't even about success. You run an agency that

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fits under the rubric of charity. You're only interested in

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continuing your agency. You're actually interested in resolving the problem.

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You want a bigger budget. You want higher salaries. What

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we can tell is where we let the private sector operate,

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we see real efficiencies, real superiority, and real benefits to

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real people.

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Exactly.

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Well, look at what's going on with the fraud issue.

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You know, of course, we had when Donald Trump came

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into office 18 months ago, Elon Musk was here saying, look,

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I could find at least a trillion dollars in fraud

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and waste, right? And what's happened? Of course, they tarred

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and feathered him, got him out of Dodge because they

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didn't want him. They didn't want him poking around and

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finding out the fraud and waste that's going on. See,

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this has all contributed to the feelings and the perception

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of the corruption in our government. And now J.D. Vance

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has become the fraud czar. And we're finding out, I mean,

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every week we're having new... you know, new reports of

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billions of dollars of fraud and waste that's taking place.

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And this is from the hard-earned money of the taxpayers, Horace.

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That's right. So I want to circle back to your

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observation about vote buying. It's a philosophical choice. It's not

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about making people happier. It's not about making people more literate.

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It's not about making people healthier. It's a philosophical choice

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to use the money that you contribute, that I contribute,

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that your listeners contribute to get votes, to get people

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in power who will just replicate it. You know, a

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hundred years ago, let's just go back a hundred years ago,

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the middle of the 1920s, During that period, government didn't

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do 80% of what it does today. Here's what I

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want to hear people tell me. Just how awful it

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was to be an American citizen in the 1920s. You

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know what history calls the 1920s? The Roaring Twenties. We

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created more millionaires and back then a million dollars was

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a lot worth a lot more than it is now.

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We were building the Empire State Building. There are all

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of these unbelievable accomplishments. The automobile expanded to be something

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that everybody would ultimately have. My point about this is

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the 1920s weren't a period of deprivation. They were a

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period where all Americans believed that it was our job

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to raise our family, to provide for them, to support them.

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And it was our job as individuals to do the

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same for ourselves when we became adults. Government couldn't tease

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and try to bribe you into supporting it. We have

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flipped it. And so Elon Musk comes in and says, whoa,

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let's cut this out. You got people that say, even

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if you can show me that it's fraud, that it's

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a leering center, not a learning center, I'm mad at

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We're talking with Horace Cooper, the nationally recognized legal commentator

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and former constitutional law professor and author. And, you know,

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as you say, Horace, in those days, rightfully so, there

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was the kind of alignment that our founders expected to have,

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and that is that politics would be downstream the culture.

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But what has happened in the recent decades, that has

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flipped to where it's now, it's the politics ahead of culture.

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And so this is why our culture is so angry,

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I believe.

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Yep. In 1926, if you said healthcare is a right

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that should be guaranteed by the government, you'd be laughed

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out of the room. Even if a professor said it

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in his classroom, it would cause uproarious laughing among his students. Today,

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even though, true fact, even though everywhere national healthcare has

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been tried, it ultimately consumes the GDP, pushing back national defense,

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the one thing that government is actually supposed to exist for,

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And cripples the ability to provide even for roads, provide

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for bridges, or any of the other kinds of services.

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And it is the reason so many countries can't pay

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their NATO dues. So many countries tower in fear of

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Russia because they know they don't have the military might

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to stand up. Why would we do that? Here in America,

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the trillions of dollars in debt that we are would

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only be exacerbated by taking on that task. And oh,

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and by the way, we would still have as many

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or more unhealthy people, as many or more deaths occurring.

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All we do is fund a huge new bureaucracy.

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Well, look at what happened with Obamacare. I mean, the

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big mantra, Horace, going into that is, oh, there's 30

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million uncovered citizens that need to be covered, 30 million.

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And so when we instituted Obamacare, I kept asking, okay,

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how are we doing with that number? Is it starting

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to get reduced? Well, they couldn't give you a straight

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number because it all got homogenized and confused on purpose.

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And so now they said out loud here recently, I

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think in the last month or two, is they're back

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using that 30 million number after all the trillions that

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we spent on Obamacare to your exact point.

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It is the same phenomenon that we've seen in education.

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It's the same phenomenon that we've seen with nutrition. Where

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the government does, there is no example. And I don't

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mean to be critical of defense. It's just the government

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can't do competently. It's just some things only government can do.

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But it's not like it's doing it at a maximum efficiency.

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In the 1930s and 40s, There was a line of

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thought by Weber, a German, Max Weber, a German philosopher

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who said, all we need is to have agents, bureaucrats,

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that we assign tasks and they will efficiently resolve maleducation, malnourishment, malhousing,

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and guess what? Just like what we learned with Obamacare now,

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the trillions that were spent made little to no reduction whatsoever.

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In fact, if it hadn't been for economic growth, we

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would have the same percentage of poverty and illiteracy, malnourishment

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that we had before this whole experience started.

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Yeah, exactly. And then say welcome to the administrative state,

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unelected bureaucrats running your lives, telling you what kind of

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light bulb and washing machine you should have in your household. Horace,

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I want to shift a little bit if we can.

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Some good news for Donald Trump. I mean, it just

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seems like every day you read something about, you know,

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some activist judge or, you know, the Supreme Court not

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going in a way that we think that it should

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go to protect our democratic republic. But this one was

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interesting that we got on, and that was regarding New

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York's flamboyant Attorney General Letitia James accused Trump of fraud,

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if you remember, for overvaluing his property. And the New

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York Supreme Court Judge Arthur Engeron infamously found Trump guilty

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because the market value of Mar-a-Lago, if you rememberâ He

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said it was between 18 and 27.6 million. Like all

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of a sudden, Erdogan is the real estate guru in

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Yoda of Florida. Of course, you know, the evaluations came

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in and said, in fact, you know, Erdogan's estimation was very,

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very low. It was more like it was actually higher

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than what Trump had put down. The courts just ruled

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that the value of the property is $ 650 million. So

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far and away larger than $ 18 million that Erdogan and

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Letitia James claimed, right?

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Absolutely. These judges ought to stick to practicing law and

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not so much sending improper photos to people of themselves.

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Right.

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Whole theory was that super wealthy financial institutions couldn't look

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out for themselves. They were going to be tricked and

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manipulated by Donald Trump. When they were asked in court,

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were you tricked and manipulated? They said, no, we also

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do our own independent valuations. Now we have this report

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that even Donald Trump's valuation was lower than the actual

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market value. Unbelievable. how much time was wasted. But this

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litigation assault is something, again, that our founders never intended.

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And it is being weaponized all across America.

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Yeah.

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What's going on with the Supreme Court? I mean, here

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we are coming to the midterms. Trump was pushing hard

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for the SAVE Act to secure our elections in the process.

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At every turn, it just seems that whether it's activist

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judges or even the Supreme Court, that we're not all

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on the same page here, which to me is like, well,

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the Constitution commands that we secure free and fair elections,

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does it not?

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Absolutely, it does. So here's where you have this competition

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of conflict, potentially, that the left is trying to ride on.

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The Constitution also gives state governments authority to regulate elections.

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The left says that that's exclusive and that there can

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be no space for any other federal role, even though

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the language explicitly says, except for any regulations that Congress

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may provide for. Congress passed a constitutional amendment that enacted prohibition,

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and then they passed a constitutional amendment that eliminated prohibition.

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When they eliminated it, they gave the power to the states.

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Almost immediately, some states wanted to claim that their power

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to regulate alcohol distribution trumped or overwhelmed any other federal

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regulation or limits. and the Supreme Court has consistently held, yes,

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you have this power, but the federal government's power in

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its space is also supreme. Therefore, we can use antitrust

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regulation on your alcohol. We can prevent you from distributing

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alcohol using our mail service. We have the ability to

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tax you All of our powers continue. Yes, within the

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confines of your state, you can set your rules. Well,

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guess what? The president simply said you can't use the

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USPS to engage in election fraud.

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Exactly.

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You may not be aware of this, but there's a

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hundred plus year old statue saying you can't use the

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postal service to undertake fraud. selling counterfeit goods, tricking people

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with a Ponzi scheme, or any number of things. They've

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just recently added you can't send flammable liquids. My point

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about all of that is there's congressional power on this side.

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And by the way, the USPS is a creation company.

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of the Constitution. Not just some good idea that Congress

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came up with. Our founders intended for us to operate this.

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And so I have to tell you, Bill, I'm very disappointed.

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I'm very disappointed that the Supreme Court ignored the long

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line of case law showing that when the Constitution empowers

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a state to do something and the Constitution empowers the

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federal government to do something, the state doesn't get to

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simply say, well, since we have this power, you can't act.

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That's never been the analysis. It shouldn't be the analysis here. Alito, Kavanaugh,

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and Thomas all agreed that that wasn't the appropriate analysis. Now,

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the Supreme Court struck down these. Well, they didn't strike

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them down. They said they can't be implemented. until next

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spring after they have full arguments saying, oh, it caused chaos. Well,

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Alito explained in his dissent, in this decision, it's not

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the job of the Supreme Court or any court to

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be concerned about the implementation. If it's constitutional, then they

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got to go with the program. Only if it's not,

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do they come to our court for relief. And then

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he said, oh, and by the way, it's the courts itself.

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Chief Justice Roberts took 21 days for the first appeal

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by the Trump administration on the USPS rules, and then

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took 13 days for the second. Then all of a sudden, oh, well,

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states are already starting their election process. We've got to

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deal with that.

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Yeah, unbelievable. Well, we've got to leave it there. Horace Cooper,

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former constitutional law professor, recognized legal commentator and author. Thank you, Horace.

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Take care. To be continued.

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