March 20, 2026
The Bill Martinez Show 03 20 26

The Bill Martinez Show 03 20 26
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Are you ready, Yeah, Okay, let's do it.
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Ill Martinez Live a program about current events, our culture,
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our values, our politics, and our future.
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And now Bill Martinez six.
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Minutes after the top of the are right now. Bill
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Martinez here along with at RS Ben Raja Durai, who's
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joining us. He is the ATR Senior Director of External Affairs.
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Ben.
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Welcome, Michelle, good to have you with us.
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Thanks for having me.
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Well, Ben, help me understand here. It's interesting, you know,
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with the economy being what it is, we're now officially
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over thirty nine trillion dollars in debt. We've got red
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states so to speak, that have gotten the message and said,
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look it, we've got to do better by the taxpayer.
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We've got to be more efficient. We've got to do
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something about all this fraud and waste and about you know,
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making our governments operate more efficiently. Meanwhile, you got blue
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states that seem to be just totally fixated on this,
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you know, on taking care of illegal immigrants and becoming
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sanctuary cities and state designees. Budgets are out of control.
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People are leaving their cities in mass In fact, you
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got to be careful if you're at the exit doors,
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you're liable to get run over by a U haul truck, right, indeed,
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so what's the disconnect here?
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Look, I think it's just two fundamental, fundamentally different ways
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of looking at the taxpayer. Right, every red state looks
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at basically looks to see how quickly they get the money,
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that is taxpayers back into their pockets. It's twelve states
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to cut the income tax last year, you have four
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or five this year. They were talking about completely eliminating it.
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And then you have your blue states you have and
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your blue cities. You have your Mom Donnies alleged moderate
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Abbiil Spamberger, the Washington State Democratic Party who've decided that
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they know.
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What best to do with your money.
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And so instead of you know, cutting tax is reducing
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their spending, they're bloating their governments. They're putting new taxes
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in place, and voters are voting with their feet. You
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look at how many people are leaving states like California
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and Washington to Tennessee, Florida and Texas.
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It's staggering for those states. What's coming.
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Well, I got to tell you, I'm a bottom line
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kind of guy. I've been in business most of my
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life Okay, so I always look at the bottom line,
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all right, So for all the investment of the Blue states,
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are they better? Are they providing better services or less services?
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Less services? It's staggering. If you look at Florida and
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New York, Florida and New York. Florida's got I think
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three or four million people more. They have half the
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size of the budget of New York. And there's not
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a person here that would tell me that a public
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school in Orlando is worse than the public school in
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New York City.
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Where does that money go.
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That money goes to indoctrination of these students, It goes
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to a bloading bureaucracy, It goes to paying for Democrat
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machine operatives to have state jobs and state pensions. There
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is a way to do this without uh reducing services,
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without uh, you know, still providing a good quality of
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life for the tax payer, while solimiting spending, being restrained
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in the growth of government and cutting taxes.
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Yeah. The other thing that's important to consider here is
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a good portion that money also goes to Democratic election campaigns. Yep, right,
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So that's you're It's interesting because we've gone full circle
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because that was the big argument with unions, Right, why
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am I paying my dues that's going to support a
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political party that I don't care about, That it's not
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really serving my interest. And so that's been a debate
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over the decades. So now in the greater span of things,
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Democrats have found a way to take that model and
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force it upon their general constituency constituency in these blue states.
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Am I am I seeing this right?
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No?
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I think that's spot on. I think that's absolutely spot on.
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Uh And and this this is the way to break
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the back to the machine is to cut those taxes
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and take that money out of state offers.
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So how do they do that?
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So you look at a state. There's a really good model.
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North Carolina came up with about a dozen years ago
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that is now kind of the preferred model in all
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these states. And basically what you do is you set
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your budget and then you set a trigger. So in
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North Carolina the trigger is population growth plus inflation. So
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every year your budget's going to grow because there's more
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people inflation in the bidinary, that inflation number went up
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a little higher. But basically you take that number and
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any surplus that comes in, that money goes to buy
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down the income tax rate. So you look at a
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state like North Carolina, they've got their rate down to
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under four over over ten years because they just took
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the money that came in over population growth, in inflation
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and just cut rates. You look at states like Mississippi, Oklahoma, Kentucky,
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West Virginia, they all have similar models. Just take that
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money and don't don't even like tempt a legislator to
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spend it.
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You just immediately take to an income tax cut.
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Well yeah, and I think that's a great model because
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the challenge is, you know, politicians cannot stand to see
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a surplus in the bank.
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Yep.
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They've got to spend it no matter what. And that's
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how we got to you know, part and parcel, how
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we got to thirty nine trillion dollars. It's in their DNA,
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you know, to spend that money, not think about buying
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it down. It's like, okay, well we'll take care of
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it when we really have a real crisis. I mean America.
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The fact of the matter is we're a crisis in waiting,
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are we not.
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Yep? Yeah.
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And I think it's important to see too, Like if
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you look at some of these states that are doing
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these income tax cuts, there's quality of services gone up.
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Look at a state like Mississippi that has aggressively cut
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their income tax back from the days of Speaker Gun
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and now and Governor Reeves. There's an entirely new thing
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going on there too, where the quality of education's gone up,
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the quality of life has gone up. All a cutting spending,
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all well, cutting taxes. And that is the model that
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every state should be looking at to see that this
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is the thing that can work.
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Well. It forces fiscal discipline, doesn't it. It does, I mean,
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and it keeps you from doing goofy things like, you know,
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doing things like sanctuary city expenses where you're you know,
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paying more for illegal immigrants than you are TSA members.
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Yep, spot on.
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Is that crazy?
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It's insane.
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Yeah, I mean, it just does not make sense. But
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it's like, and the deal is, it's all counterintuitive. It's
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like the same way, you know, Grover and I've talked
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about this before, is that when you lower taxes, when
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you lower the rate on taxes, you actually get more
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tax money. And this is empirical, This isn't theoretical. Time
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and time again, this has been the case. You know,
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you charge the citizens less for taxes and the government
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has more money to spend. But they just cannot they're
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so fixated, their paradigm is so locked into their minds
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that they just cannot even understand the empirical evidence.
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Yeah, it's it's the politics of envy, right.
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If the Democrats have not found a billionaire that they
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can't hate, right, and it's they've decided to divide us
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between the haves and the have nots, or whatever paradigm
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they want to use. They try to divide us, and
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then they try to mug us one at a time
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with tax hikes.
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So they'll they'll start.
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You look at a state like Washington right now, they're
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going to start and say, oh, it's just for the millionaires.
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But when they had a chance to put a.
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Vote the Washington the Washington State Republicans forced to vote
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for an amendment that said that they will never change
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that threshold from a million let me tell you what
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the Democrats said.
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They voted it down.
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Of course we know what's coming, right, And so it's
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the politics of nvie. They try to get They try
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to get the ones. They try to get you to
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forget that it's coming for you next and that's a
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really scary, kind of messed up way to go about things.
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Yeah, all you got to do is go back in history.
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That's the way the income tax program began, right, Yep.
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They were going after that top one percent. We're gonna
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go after those dirty, rotten people that have worked so
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hard created jobs for you. They got all this money
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and everything, and we're going to go after them. And
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the ninety nine said, yeah, go go, go have fun.
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Everything else. That lasted about a year because the government
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went there and they realized that these people with money
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got some powerful attorneys, and they were coming out of
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the ring pretty pretty bloodied and broken up. They said, hey,
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we're fighting the wrong bat. Let's go after the ninety nine.
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Yeah, and do you look at a state like Washington again, right,
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the newest test case and all this. You're a billionaire
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in that state, you can go two hours east, go
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to Idaho, where they're actively cutting income tax. It's going
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to be half to half the rate that Washington's got,
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and it doesn't really cost you anything. It's going to
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cost the state millions of dollars of revenue, but it's
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not going to cost the billionai or anything.
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It's easy for them to do that.
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They can move to Texas with no income tax, they
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can move to Florida with no income tax, and that BLUs.
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I gotta tell you. Go to Idaho. They got the
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best baked potatoes. I am not kidding you. I mean
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that's that's the benefit the baked potatoes. The first time
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I visited, and I oh, I could not believe. It
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was like the first time I went to Hawaii, you know,
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And you're getting pineapple off the mine, right, So just
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a little sidebar here, But anyway, we got to go
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