March 18, 2026

The Bill Martinez Show 03 18 26

The Bill Martinez Show 03 18 26
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The Bill Martinez Show 03 18 26
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Are you ready?

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Yeah, Okay, let's do an Ill Martinez Live, a program

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about current events, our culture, our values, our politics, and

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our future.

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And now Bill Martinez.

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Well, good morning America. Good to have you with us.

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Bill Martinez here with Kenny Spivak join us. He is

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the founder and chairman of the SMI Group, LLC, and

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international consulting firm and an investment bank, and author of

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fiction and nonfiction books, a frequent speaker and contributor to

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media as well. Kenan, good to have you back with us.

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How are you.

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I'm great, Thanks Bill, thanks for having me.

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Well, great to have you here. We last time we talked,

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we talked about, you know, the importance of free speech

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and being respectful. And now we want to take a

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look at your latest column on the democrats refusal to

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fund the Department of Homeland Security, which you say has

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exceeded in any hypothesis of good faith. Right.

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Absolutely, there's no more reason for There was never a

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reason for what they did. But they used the pretext

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of being dissatisfied with Ice, and you know, whether they

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were or they weren't, most of what needed to be

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fixed from their view, not even from my view, has

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been fixed. And now we're in a war, and now

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we've had four terrorism incidents in the last two weeks exact,

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and we need the Department of Homeland Security, we need

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TSA so that we can have travel as we go

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into spring break.

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We just need America to be operating.

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Right exactly well. And the thing is is that when

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you look back at what the Left did, they exacerbated

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the problem. I mean, they just took advantage of what

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was going on here. Ice was called to do something

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that was really beyond their capacity and training in a sense.

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I mean, you know, to go in and do crowd control.

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This is not what they're trained to do. They're trying

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to go capture the bad guys in a controlled situation,

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not in a general population. I mean, they just in

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my context, what I would say is that they didn't

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have a fair chance to be successful with their mission,

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and the Democrats were there doing everything they could to

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put a stick in their spokes and to make the

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situation worse.

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Well, yeah, but let's focus in on on your last point. Yes,

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it's not ICE's job to handle crowd control. It's the

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job of the local police exactly. It's also not the

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job of the local elected officials to incite people to

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go out and riot and to interfere with ICE operations.

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So the Democrats one hundred percent created the circumstances in

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which ICE was less successful. They sent the people out

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onto the street, They ordered the police to stand back.

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They put ICE and even worse, because their training is

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entirely different border patrol in an untenable situation.

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Now, I want to.

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Say that I think the shooting of Alex Pretty was

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probably unjustified and law enforcement should have known better. But

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what happened with Renee Good, from everything I can see,

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was Renee Good's fault or the fault of the Democrats

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who egged her on into putting her car where it

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was right. The Democrats can't have it two ways. They

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can't create a circumstance then pounce one of their favorite words, yes,

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when ICE is partially defeated by the circumstance they create,

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and then refuse to fund homeland Security because they don't

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like that ICE wasn't able to perfectly handle the mess

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they created exactly well.

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And as you say, the timing, it couldn't be at

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a word time. I mean, here we are, we're at war.

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Call it which you want with Iran. We know, and

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even the media, which does us no favors in terms

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of reporting the truth, has even said that we have

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sleeper sells abounding in our country. So the alert levels

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are heightened. And what do we do the people that

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manage alerts? We tell them to sit down without a

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pay chance.

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By the way, right, we're certainly not paying them. Look,

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I favor what we're doing in Iran, others may not.

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We have a core problem among elected Democrats, and I

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do want to make a distinction between the average member

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of the Democrat Party or the average voter in elections

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and Democrat primaries, because the polls show that there is

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a mismatch between what elected Democrat officials are doing and

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what the average Democrat wants. The elected Democrat officials in

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this country control them has been seized by the far

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left energized base of the Democrat Party. These people are

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not patriotic, they don't believe in American ideals. They believe

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in a fundamental change to America. And again I emphasize this,

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that's not what all Democrats think, it's what the progressive

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wing believes. And right now they're controlling elected Democrats in Congress.

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But it's up to those Democrats to come together the

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ones that are pro American, because I've set the divide

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is either you are pro American or anti American. I

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don't care too much about the party, the partisan politics.

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You know, it frustrates me. You know, at the end

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of the day, I want us to be on the

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same team USA, and I want to be alongside people

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who are pro American. They're thinking what's best for America,

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not this group, like you said, this radical part of

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the of the Democrat. And I'd say there's radical people

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even on the right that are not interested necessarily in

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pro American values. But those need to be vetted out,

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and they need to be vereted in such a way

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to where we have a true majority of pro Americans

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that are looking out for the best interest for people

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that still believe in the American dream.

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Can right.

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Absolutely.

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So there's a poll that just came out Fox Poll

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from a couple of weeks ago, and it looked at

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how people perceive their patriotism towards the United States. If

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you go back twenty five years, it was about ninety percent.

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Not much difference between Republican Democrats and independents. You look

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at it today, in only thirty six percent of Democrats,

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self identified Democrats say that they have any level of patriotism.

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If you go and look behind those numbers, you see

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the real drop off is among younger people and liberal

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to very liberal Demas. And not all Democrats are very liberal.

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There are moderate Democrats. Among moderate Democrats, many remain patriotic.

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And to your point, oh, somewhere around twenty percent of

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Republicans don't describe themselves as patriotic. Those are probably Republicans

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on the very far right. We have a problem on

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the very far right and the very far left. Right Now,

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the far left has more people than the far right,

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and the far left is more powerful than the far right,

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but both are not good for America.

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Well, and I see the far left their desire to

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do more damage and destruction, they seem that seems to

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be very acceptable on the very far left. On the

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far right, they may pitch a fit and everything, but

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they're not the ones necessarily that you know, would be

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doing the things that the left do in terms of

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destruction of property and things like that.

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Yeah, I'm were together, No, no, no, we were together

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several months ago and we discussed one of my articles

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about the Fire survey. That's the Freedom Free Speech Organization

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survey of universities, and that survey showed on the university

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campuses that, first of all, across all students, there had

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been a decline in the belief in freedom of speech

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and the right to address controversial issues.

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But on the use of violence, among.

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Those who described themselves as liberal, a majority believed that

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the use of violence was occasionally at least justified, and

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a smaller percent thought that it was often justified. A

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totally unrelated study by you Gov of all Americans, it's

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not focused just on campuses, showed that about a quarter

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of all self identified liberals believe that violence is justified.

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On the conservative side, it was three percent. So yes,

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we have a problem. It's not only among liberals who

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are the far left, but it is predominantly among the

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liberals and the far left. They are much more willing

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to act on their impulses and they just don't like America.

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Right, Gotta go to a quick break. We'le picking up

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on the other side. More from Kennon.

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Hey, welcome back, Bill Martinez. Here we get Kenneth Speedback,

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continuing with is the founder and chairman of the SMI Group, H. Kennon.

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Yeah.

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I think that's the bottom line again, you know, just

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in terms of the sentiment, and this is something that

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I've seen quite glaringly in the recent months, is you

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get this movement, this anti American movement, and it's shocking

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and I think it's hard for people to even when

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they're hearing elected officials that are card carrying Marxist. You know,

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Trevor Lauden's been on with us several times. He's done

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a deep down research and he's got the receipts on

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all this stuff, and it's tough for the audience to

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hear that fellow Americans really want to hurt America.

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There is a combination of two phenomena happening at the

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same time. Trump arrangement syndrome, which you know, I don't

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want to go so far as to say anti Trump

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is anti American because that's a little silly.

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But there's this.

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Strong visceral to me, not really entirely understandable, just absolute

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hate of Donald Trump and anything he does. I don't

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mean that, I don't understand that people might not agree

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with him on issues or might not like the way

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he comports himself. But this absolute hate I don't understand.

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And add to that intersectionality, this view that the white patriarchy,

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whatever that is, is out to get them a huge

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dose of anti semitism and rap this all together and

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it's a combination of people who hate America, people who

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hate Western culture, and people who hate Donald Trump. And

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you put them all together, and you have a lot

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of the trouble we are in of late. You have DHS,

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Department of Homeland Security defunded. You have Americans hoping that

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America will lose and it is a war, this war

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in Iran. You have Americans hoping that Palestinian terrorists will

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annihilate all Jews everywhere in the world.

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We're in a bit of a mess.

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Well, and I think that at the core of all this,

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it's our moral compass has been compromised, you know. That

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is the basis of Western civilization is that, And this

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is what ignited this movement and really gave the birth

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of America was, you know, was religion and freedom of

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religion and to be able to do right for ourselves

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and for our fellow man. And that is being you know,

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threatened the media. I mean, you know this, this abject

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hatred for Donald Trump. In fact, I wrote a column

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about a year and a half ago. You know who

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told you to hate Donald Trump? And you look at

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the media reports. MRC continues to report that the media

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reports negatively on Donald Trump ninety four percent of the time.

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That's not by accident.

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Oh, every headline in the Wall Street Journal, New York Times,

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Washington Post is anti Trump. If we have a stunning

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victory in Iran, the headline is US fails to achieve

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one hundred percent of objectives because we only achieved ninety

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nine percent. It's out of control. Let me tell you

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one startling number. There is a centrist Democrat organization called

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Third Wave, and they've been really hitting their head against

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the wall for the last few years, trying to convince

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the Democrat Party to move closer to the center and

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away from the far left. And they've commissioned polls by

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all sorts of different organizations. One came out last week

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and a majority of Democrats identify themselves as observant Christians.

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And that startled even third Wave. It's not what they expected.

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To find. But it was the case. There is a

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difference between the Democrat base and elected Democrat officials. There

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is not anymore much of a difference between radical left

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Democrats and Democrat elected officials. So here's what I would

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say to the Democrats and the base. Take back control

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of your party. I still may not agree with all

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of the policies you'll want to follow, but we will

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be in complete agreement on values and on a desire

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to do what's right, and then we can try to

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figure out how do we compromise on getting there.

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You're exactly right. That's the Democratic Party of the sixties

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and seventies that's been lost because you know, you could

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have people going, you know, across the aisle, you know,

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politicians going across the aisle. Because at the end of

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the day, we were kind of looking at the same hill.

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We have the same mission, and what we were arguing

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over was the process. You know, that's healthy, But now

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it's like we don't even know what hell we're conquering here.

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Right, There's always going to be a difference on what

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percent of the budget do we want to allocate for

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social purposes, what percent we want to allocate for defense?

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How much surveillance should there be or not be, how

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much regulation should there be or not be, should workers

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get double overtime, single overtime. There'll always be differences of

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opinion on issues like that, right, but those are still

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within the same value structure, the same goal, and the

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same love for America. Let's get back to those discussions

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and not this deranged cultural Marxism, intersectionality, anti semitism which

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is pervading the Democrat Party from the left and unfortunately

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even some of the Republican Party from the far right.

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Well, here we are on the verge of celebrating our

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two hundred and fiftieth year anniversary. This could be quite

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the demarcation where we either are able to come together

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and bring these disparate ideas, you know, to some kind

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of peaceful arrangement, so to speak, so that we can

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talk and be able to advance our culture, or we

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just get absolutely nuts and you know, we could end

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up in another revolution, which maybe may not be all

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that bad. I don't know.

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Well, I'd rather not be in another revolution, but.

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Well we're kind of in one anyway right now. It's soft,

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the soft one.

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Yeah, No, I agree. I think if people on both

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sides of the aisle are particularly at the extremes. Listen

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to what you just said about working things through. Look,

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people like you and I are politically conservative, but we

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understand the value of compromise and collaboration and trying to

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be a single people with a common objective. When people

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don't share that view of politics, they're not helpful to

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the process or the nation.

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And look what we draw into the country. We draw

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more of the same and right now we're fractured. This

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is what is so dangerous about what Joe Biden did

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in an open border policy. We brought all these people,

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and I mean coming in as an immigrant. You know,

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these modern immigrants had to be totally confused because you

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know what is America, Kennon. I mean, we're just so

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we're just so confused ourselves.

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Yes, and by the way, and that's the point.

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America is a culture of values, and you can be

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any color, any religion, no religion, and you can share

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those values. But it is okay for America to say

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we want immigrants to be coming to America because they

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share our values. Our values don't mean that they want

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time and a half, double time, triple time. It doesn't

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mean what percent of the budget they wants been for defense.

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But it does mean a fundamental belief in our constitution

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in the first ten amendments to our Constitution, in our

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Declaration of Independence, and people that don't share those values

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should live someplace elsewhere they'll be.

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Happier, exactly. And the thing is, look at this country.

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I mean, we're a tapestry of immigrants and the cultures

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that they've brought into this country. It's fantastic. I mean,

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I love, you know, the expanse of cultural participation and

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what they've done to add to the beauty of America.

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And that's what that's my heart. I know that's your

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heart as well, and I want to continue to promote

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them not and there's no reason that we can't have

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that without you know, without the cost of the American dream.

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I agree. I don't have any elephant. I agree.

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Well, I was going to give you thirty seconds to

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summarize and bring wrap it up here with your brilliant

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so anyway, I I you know, this has been a

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good discussion, and I appreciate you know, your participation in it,

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because you know this is you know, we've got we've

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got to put in the positive discussion of positive ideas

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into this negative environment to balance it out.

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Kennon right, No, you're you are completely right. And if

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polls are the least bit accurate, and I don't.

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Mean just this one particular poll from last.

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Week, most Americans share that view. Are elected officials not

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so much.

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But like you said, it's been hijacked by the left,

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by the media, and we have to take control of

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it and not let them steal our joy because they're

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trying to steal our joy from us. Because we've got

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lots to be joyful about in this great country that

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we're here, and we do want to share it with

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everybody who wants to come in and add to the proposition,

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not take away, but advance this great American idea. Kennan

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Speedback has always appreciate you being on the show. Founder

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and chairman of the SMI Group, LLC and international consulting

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firm and investment bank. Thank you, Ken, and take care

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of god speed my friend.

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Thanks Bill.

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Hey, good morning, welcome back. Good to have you with us.

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Bill Martinez here with Jenny Beth Martin from the Tea

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Party Patriots Action. Hey, Jenny Bath good morning to you.

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Hey, Bill, it so great to be back with you.

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He always going to be talking, especially to say back.

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You know, the pressure is on Thune. He's you know,

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it seems that he's committed to do everythating he can

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to pass this legislation. And of course President Trump has

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put the line in the sand and saying, hey, look

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at don't buy to send any bills my way to

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sign if you can't pass to.

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Say that, right, that is exactly correct. President Trump is

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very supportive of this bill. He wants this bill to

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become law. And about a week and a half ago

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it didn't seem like Thune was completely on board. But

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now the Senate Majority Leader Thune is on board. The

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bill should be coming to the floor of the Senate today.

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It's possible it may wind up happening tomorrow. And then

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when that happens, there are going to be a lot

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of procedural motions that happen, and it's not going to

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be exactly what we were hearing a talking filibuster was,

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but it's going to be very similar. It's going to

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be a robust beat, as Leader Thune says, and it

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will be brought to the floor and he'll do something

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called filling the amendment tree, which prevents the Democrats from

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adding other amendments and it protects the floor, and then

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we expect to.

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Be to really begin and earn a tomorrow on the

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bill and it.

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The debate is expected to last throughout the week, hopefully

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into next week as well, and then we see where

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it goes from there. If the Republicans really do this

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and we get it on the floor which only requires

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a simple majority, and they begin debating it, then our

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biggest task is activists, is making sure we are putting

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pressure on the Democrats and asking why they were refusing

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to ensure only citizens vote and American elections, and that

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we show id to prove we are who we say

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we are when we vote.

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I mean, and this is I think that's really a

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challenge for everyday Americans outside of you know you and

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I spend a lot of time invested in understanding what's

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going on in our government. And I get it. A

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lot of Americans, you know, they just have a casual,

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very casual acquaintance at a time when you need to

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really be more focused, because an informed vote is critical

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to this democratic republic. The reason that we're in the

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chaos that we're in and things seem to be so

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confusing is because the electorate has taken a rather casual,

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you know, kind of a casual relationship with this democratic Republic.

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When the founder said we the people, it really was

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a commitment for we the people to design and uphold

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the kind of government that was being designed. As Benjamin

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Franklin said in response to a woman's request, Okay, well,

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what kind of government are you giving us? Is it

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a democratic republic? If you can keep it.

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Right, that is exactly right, and so it is up

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to us to work to keep it. And you know,

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we talk about how we have consent of the governed

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in this country.

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You cannot have consent of.

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The governed if you don't have secure and fair elections.

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And this bill is going in and helping make elections

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more secure, but it's doing so in very targeted, specific manners.

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It's not a nationalization of the elections, of the election process.

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It is very specifically cleaning up the national voter registration

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actually require proof of citizenship to register to vote, cleaning

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up the Help America Vote Act to require proof or

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voter ID win you vote. And then we expect three

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more things to be added to the bill when Senator

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Thune does those procedural motions. It's going to have something

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that addresses mail and balloting, for mail in balloting to

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be for military and for people who are truly disabled

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or infirm and cannot make it to vote. And then

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also to address men and women's sports, so no men

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and women's sports and no transgender surgery on minors. So

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we can kind of think of the bill as morphing

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into the Save American Voters, Save American Sports, and Save

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American Children bill, and it's the Save America Act, which.

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Will save all voter, sports and children.

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Now, the thing I started to say that's confusing for

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everybody is when you hear Democrats talk, whether it's Haakim

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Jeffries or Rocana and that sort of thing, I mean,

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their arguments seem very hollow. I mean they're not substantive.

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They're very emotional in bases and it's hard to follow them.

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So people need to discern the difference between that which

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is reasonable and logical versus something that's emotional. And the

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Democrats really that's been their kind of their their modus

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operandi is they triggered totally off of emotion instead of

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the practical. This is why it's so frustrating sometimes when

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you want to have a conversation with them, because they

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don't really give you an opportunity to really talk about

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the facts.

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Do they No, they don't give you an opportunity to

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talk about the facts. And they are doing things like

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they're saying that this bill is racist, that it's Jim

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Crow two point zero, that it'll make it difficult or

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impossible for married women to vote, and that it makes

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it harder to register to vote than it is to

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get a gun. Let me address those very quickly in order.

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The bill is not racist. Over sixty I think we

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just did a pull on the bill and it came

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out last week. Sixty four or sixty five percent of

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Americans support passing the Save America Act, and it includes

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over sixty percent of African Americans. Over sixty percent of Hispanics,

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over sixty percent of people over sixty five, and over

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sixty percent of people under sixty five. This crosses socioeconomic

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political divides. People want this bill passed, so it's an

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absurd allegation. The other thing is that they'll say married

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women can't register to vote and won't be able to vote.

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That's crazy. Women understand that if you change your name,

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you have to have your birth your birth ofificate, your

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marriage certificate, and if you get divorce, your divorce decree,

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and it shows the evolution of your name throughout your life.

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And that works just fine.

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But if for some reason you can't show that you

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don't have all of the paperwork for it, or you

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just don't even have your birth certificate for for some reason,

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then there are provisions in the bill to allow a

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person to attest to being a United States citizen, provide

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whatever evidence they can, and the worker who is accepting

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the information will then accept the attestation, and they're both

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signing under a penalty of perjury that this is correct.

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And the other thing is they're saying that it's more

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difficult to it'll be more difficult to register to vote

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than to get a gun absurd, absolutely absurd. At this point,

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to get a gun in this country, you have to

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have a background check. Certainly, if you're getting a new gun,

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you have to have a full background check. That's not

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happening at all. You're just proving you are who you

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say you are. We do this all the time in

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our everyday life. And I think that's part of the

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reason why these emotional arguments from the Democrats right now

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are falling flat, because people in their gut instinct only

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want American citizens to vote, and they want to know

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their vote is secure and that they are the only

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person who can cast their own.

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Ballot well exactly because otherwise then their vote is negated.

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And there has been plenty of research on this, Jenny

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Beth with other countries that had, you know, a free

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kind of a free for all in terms of elections,

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and there was obvious corruption and everything and to disenfranchised

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the people, and they just said, I'm not voting, my

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vote doesn't count, why should I even participate. But as

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soon as they brought law and order into the election process,

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guess what, voter participation increased dramatically. So what does that

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tell you.

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Well, it tells me that people will vote when they

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trust the election system. So let's make sure that we're

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improving that trust, and then people go vote. And this

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bill does not guarantee an outcome for the election, but

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what it does do is at the end of the election,

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of the end of election day, when we get those results,

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it will give us more.

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Faith in the outcome.

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Exactly.

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Out that faith, we don't have.

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A republic, we don't have a representative democracy, and so

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it's extremely important that we are doing all that we

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can to help ensure that there is faith in the

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outcome of the elections. We may still lose at the

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ballot box, but at least we'll know we lost fairly exactly.

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And what you touched on is absolutely fundamental and key

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to this whole debate, and that is that you want

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to ensure the faith of the American people in the

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system when they have lost faith and trust has been broken,

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which it has been, and this has been going on

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for a number of years. It hasn't just been in

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the last couple of voting cycles. Jenny Beth. I mean,

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you can go all the way back to JFK's election. Democrats,

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you know here probably about twenty years ago, admitted and said, well,

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if the truth being known, yeah, there was probably some

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cheating and that's what god JFK elected. Are you kidding me?

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It's not okay, that's not okay.

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And when we heard things after twenty twenty like oh

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there's always cheating in every election, that does not make

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people feel better. It makes them feel like they've been

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robbed of something that they trusted, and that is just

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we cannot have that. And yes, human beings are involved,

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so mistakes are going to happen, and human beings are involved,

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so people are going to be malicious intentionally in some cases.

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But it makes sense for us to do everything we

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can to reduce the ability to have those kind of mistakes,

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to reduce the ability for malicious malactions to happen, bad

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behavior to happen.

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Hey glad you can join us fourteen minutes before the

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top of the R. Right now, we've got Jeremy Beck

747
00:43:20.639 --> 00:43:24.239
from Numbers USA. Hey Jeremy, good morning to him. Good morning, though,

748
00:43:24.880 --> 00:43:27.320
Well let's talk to you verify. You know, you and

749
00:43:27.400 --> 00:43:30.039
I've been chewing this up, but it's coming down. I mean,

750
00:43:30.239 --> 00:43:33.719
this is this is critical. And what we're finding out

751
00:43:33.920 --> 00:43:37.280
is these some of these states just have not gotten

752
00:43:37.320 --> 00:43:41.039
the memo. They don't realize how important you verify is

753
00:43:41.400 --> 00:43:45.760
in order for us to have and to have immigration

754
00:43:45.960 --> 00:43:48.960
policies that are win win for all concerned. It's not

755
00:43:48.960 --> 00:43:51.360
like we're being mean to immigrants or anything like that.

756
00:43:51.880 --> 00:43:53.920
You know, we want immigrants to come in and have

757
00:43:54.280 --> 00:43:59.440
a fair chance to you know, be be a contributing citizen,

758
00:43:59.519 --> 00:44:02.679
a citizen and that wants to assimilate and add to

759
00:44:02.800 --> 00:44:07.280
the cultural fabric of this great American idea. Right.

760
00:44:08.159 --> 00:44:11.840
Imagine being an immigrant who's gone through the whole legal process.

761
00:44:11.880 --> 00:44:15.800
Sometimes that takes months or years. You do it, you know,

762
00:44:16.159 --> 00:44:18.920
the right way. You go through all the red tape

763
00:44:18.920 --> 00:44:21.079
and the bureaucracy, and you get here and you start

764
00:44:21.119 --> 00:44:25.599
applying for jobs, and there's just there's no openings. And

765
00:44:25.679 --> 00:44:28.000
yet you turn around it looks like and you find

766
00:44:28.000 --> 00:44:32.239
out later that, oh, that job site they got audited.

767
00:44:32.280 --> 00:44:35.440
It turns out they've been hiring illegal workers this whole time. Right,

768
00:44:35.480 --> 00:44:40.119
They're undermining your ability as a new legal immigrant to

769
00:44:40.159 --> 00:44:43.039
put your stake in the ground here, get your foot

770
00:44:43.039 --> 00:44:47.440
on the ladder of the economic ladder, to improve your life,

771
00:44:47.440 --> 00:44:50.440
which is what you came here for and beyond. So

772
00:44:50.559 --> 00:44:53.559
it's yeah, it's an insult to every legal worker. That's

773
00:44:53.840 --> 00:44:56.679
whether you're here, whether you're foreign born or native born.

774
00:44:57.920 --> 00:45:01.360
Illegal hiring is a a slap in the face. More

775
00:45:01.400 --> 00:45:04.360
than that, it's an invitation to people around the world

776
00:45:04.360 --> 00:45:07.320
to come here illegally and to stay illegally. And this

777
00:45:07.480 --> 00:45:10.840
is really where the rubber meets the road. And if

778
00:45:10.840 --> 00:45:13.519
you ask me personally, this is the litmus test.

779
00:45:13.840 --> 00:45:14.599
It's one thing.

780
00:45:15.400 --> 00:45:18.840
It's one thing to be against the purely open borders

781
00:45:18.840 --> 00:45:22.480
of the Biden administration, right, and it's another thing to

782
00:45:22.599 --> 00:45:26.599
actually truly be for immigration enforcement and to truly be

783
00:45:26.840 --> 00:45:30.639
for a credible immigration policy. And this is where we're

784
00:45:30.639 --> 00:45:33.599
finding a lot of state legislatures, and these are I'm

785
00:45:33.599 --> 00:45:38.719
talking about Republican legislatures here. They are failing this litmus test.

786
00:45:38.920 --> 00:45:41.679
They are not willing to crack down on illegal hiring.

787
00:45:41.760 --> 00:45:44.960
They for whatever reason, and I can't say for certain

788
00:45:45.000 --> 00:45:47.480
what the reasons are, they don't want to do it.

789
00:45:47.840 --> 00:45:50.840
West Virginia just did this. They have a super majority,

790
00:45:50.960 --> 00:45:54.480
thirty four to two super majority, so they can't blame

791
00:45:54.519 --> 00:45:57.400
this on the Democrats. They had a strong e verify

792
00:45:57.519 --> 00:46:00.159
bill passed by the House. It would have required employers

793
00:46:00.360 --> 00:46:04.480
to verify that their new hires are authorized to work.

794
00:46:04.519 --> 00:46:05.480
In the United States.

795
00:46:05.480 --> 00:46:08.239
In West Virginia House passed it went over to the

796
00:46:08.239 --> 00:46:10.360
state Senate. They send it back to the committee or

797
00:46:10.400 --> 00:46:13.920
the committee gutted it. The entire Senate said this, look,

798
00:46:14.000 --> 00:46:16.840
this gutted bill looks terrific. Then they got some pushback

799
00:46:16.920 --> 00:46:20.079
from constituents. They said, oh, they ended up making a

800
00:46:20.119 --> 00:46:22.920
watered down version of it, and they ran out the clock.

801
00:46:23.119 --> 00:46:25.679
So at the end of the day nothing got passed.

802
00:46:26.559 --> 00:46:29.119
And this is just two years after the border crisis ended.

803
00:46:29.559 --> 00:46:32.360
We are not going to reverse the border crisis or

804
00:46:32.480 --> 00:46:35.199
prevent the next border crisis if we don't get serious

805
00:46:35.239 --> 00:46:39.000
about workplace enforcement and everify is at the center of it.

806
00:46:39.840 --> 00:46:43.679
You see, I don't think they understand, Jeremy. I think

807
00:46:43.679 --> 00:46:48.360
they're blinded, as you say, by a constituency that is

808
00:46:48.400 --> 00:46:51.679
blinding them and causing them to be blind. Now we

809
00:46:51.719 --> 00:46:56.360
can talk about the grift that goes on that is obvious,

810
00:46:56.400 --> 00:47:01.760
that that influences people and elected official because their their

811
00:47:01.800 --> 00:47:05.320
lifeblood is to get re elected, as they're told, you know,

812
00:47:05.360 --> 00:47:08.239
when they go in for orientation. You know, forget about

813
00:47:08.280 --> 00:47:12.239
what your constituents, what's your constituents back home say? You

814
00:47:12.320 --> 00:47:15.360
need to get re elected, and so you've got to

815
00:47:15.400 --> 00:47:19.360
go along to get along, You've got to you know,

816
00:47:19.519 --> 00:47:23.280
really blind yourself to some of these things that are

817
00:47:23.320 --> 00:47:26.920
so obvious because you know, you go there and you

818
00:47:27.199 --> 00:47:29.639
look at immigration. I mean, they all say, they all

819
00:47:29.679 --> 00:47:33.199
echo from different parts of the chorus. You know, immigration

820
00:47:33.400 --> 00:47:36.840
is broken. Okay, all right, so you got you got

821
00:47:36.880 --> 00:47:40.480
a fairly good observation there. So how are you going

822
00:47:40.559 --> 00:47:41.159
to fix it?

823
00:47:42.400 --> 00:47:42.880
Exactly?

824
00:47:43.119 --> 00:47:45.239
This all goes back to the broken promise of the

825
00:47:45.320 --> 00:47:48.400
nineteen eighty six amnesty. That whole point of that whole

826
00:47:48.400 --> 00:47:50.280
amnesty was, Hey, look, we're just going to wipe the

827
00:47:50.320 --> 00:47:50.920
slate clean.

828
00:47:51.280 --> 00:47:53.079
We're going to let all the employers off the hook.

829
00:47:53.119 --> 00:47:55.320
We're going to let all the illegal workers off the hook.

830
00:47:55.519 --> 00:47:57.719
But we are from this point forward, we are not

831
00:47:57.840 --> 00:48:00.800
going to tolerate illegal hiring. They made it a crime.

832
00:48:01.199 --> 00:48:03.440
Before nineteen eighty six, it was it wasn't a crime.

833
00:48:03.480 --> 00:48:06.920
It was, but now it's it's been that's that's forty

834
00:48:07.000 --> 00:48:11.280
years and counting now. But they've never required employers to

835
00:48:11.440 --> 00:48:14.239
verify it. It's it's a don't ask, don't tell kind

836
00:48:14.280 --> 00:48:18.559
of situation. And listen, these these blue states, they are

837
00:48:18.599 --> 00:48:22.440
passing sanctuary laws to protect illegal aliens in the country,

838
00:48:22.519 --> 00:48:24.119
but these red states are going to get plenty of

839
00:48:24.199 --> 00:48:27.639
illegal immigration as well, because they are protecting the illegal hiring.

840
00:48:28.039 --> 00:48:30.679
So it's a different form of sanctuary, but it is

841
00:48:30.760 --> 00:48:35.000
absolutely in the same ballpark as these more egregious sanctuary

842
00:48:35.039 --> 00:48:38.159
policies that we've been fighting in states like you know,

843
00:48:38.239 --> 00:48:43.559
Maryland and New Jersey and Virginia. In these red states Idaho, Wyoming, Montana, Oklahoma,

844
00:48:43.679 --> 00:48:47.480
South Dakota, West Virginia, on and on. Even Florida failed

845
00:48:47.519 --> 00:48:51.239
to pass they were going to strengthen their Verify system.

846
00:48:51.360 --> 00:48:54.119
The Florida House passed the bill. The Florida Senate.

847
00:48:53.880 --> 00:48:57.760
Said, no, this is protecting illegal workers and the people

848
00:48:57.760 --> 00:48:59.559
who profit off of illegal labor.

849
00:49:00.280 --> 00:49:02.880
No, there's no way to sugarcoat that.

850
00:49:02.880 --> 00:49:06.199
That is what this is and the continued illegal immigration

851
00:49:06.280 --> 00:49:09.199
that we see the difficulty in actually reversing the Biden

852
00:49:09.280 --> 00:49:12.760
border crisis. This lies at the feet of both parties.

853
00:49:12.800 --> 00:49:15.480
They're going about it in different ways, but they are

854
00:49:15.559 --> 00:49:18.559
failing the American people, and they are failing the test

855
00:49:18.599 --> 00:49:21.800
that voters put people into office at the state level

856
00:49:22.000 --> 00:49:24.920
and at the federal level in twenty twenty four because

857
00:49:24.960 --> 00:49:26.920
they were sick of the border crisis, they were sick

858
00:49:26.960 --> 00:49:29.679
of the overwhelmed communities. They wanted it stopped, and they

859
00:49:29.760 --> 00:49:33.639
wanted it reversed. Now we got the border security temporarily

860
00:49:33.679 --> 00:49:37.360
because Congress hasn't solidified that in law yet either exactly.

861
00:49:37.519 --> 00:49:38.840
But the reversal of this.

862
00:49:39.199 --> 00:49:41.960
There are millions of people who are inadmissible to the

863
00:49:42.039 --> 00:49:44.320
United States, who are still in the United States. They

864
00:49:44.320 --> 00:49:47.679
are working illegally, and we are essentially paying them to

865
00:49:47.719 --> 00:49:51.719
stay in the country illegally and denying those job opportunities

866
00:49:51.920 --> 00:49:54.239
to legal workers, immigrant and native born alike.

867
00:49:54.719 --> 00:49:57.239
And the way this thing is, I mean, it's such

868
00:49:57.519 --> 00:50:01.920
a fixed and rigged system. Is nobody voted on it.

869
00:50:01.920 --> 00:50:05.400
It's being you know, all controlled by bureaucrats out there

870
00:50:05.440 --> 00:50:09.159
in the shadows, allowing this to continue. You mentioned the

871
00:50:09.280 --> 00:50:12.880
nineteen eighty six bill, you know, the once and for all.

872
00:50:12.960 --> 00:50:16.719
Don't ever ask me again. We're going, okay, will cry uncle,

873
00:50:17.079 --> 00:50:19.360
We'll let you. We'll give you a pass on what

874
00:50:19.480 --> 00:50:23.119
three million illegal immigrants I think at the time. And okay, no,

875
00:50:23.239 --> 00:50:26.880
we'll never come back. They never stopped coming back. It's ridiculous.

876
00:50:27.079 --> 00:50:30.360
But and you make it a crime to hire illegals.

877
00:50:30.599 --> 00:50:33.440
So did anybody get did anybody go to jail?

878
00:50:35.000 --> 00:50:40.800
The workplace enforcement has been just pathetic, pathetic, anemic. It

879
00:50:41.119 --> 00:50:44.360
actually spiked very briefly, in terms of audits, the Obama

880
00:50:44.400 --> 00:50:49.159
administration they probably did the best work site audit enforcement

881
00:50:50.079 --> 00:50:52.159
in the last thirty years. They only did it for

882
00:50:52.239 --> 00:50:54.400
a few months and then they kind of tailed off.

883
00:50:55.199 --> 00:50:59.800
Nobody's really nobody's really holding employers accountable. You know, we

884
00:51:00.400 --> 00:51:02.400
need fines, and this is what we're pushing for at

885
00:51:02.480 --> 00:51:05.480
Numbers USA is, you know, national laws. There are good

886
00:51:05.480 --> 00:51:08.599
bills that have been introduced in this Congress that would

887
00:51:08.840 --> 00:51:11.920
require employers to use everify. It would require the Social

888
00:51:11.960 --> 00:51:16.199
Security Administration to notify people when Social Security numbers are

889
00:51:16.840 --> 00:51:19.559
not matching their records or when they're being used in

890
00:51:19.639 --> 00:51:24.719
multiple places, i e. Somebody's identity has been stolen. Right now,

891
00:51:24.719 --> 00:51:28.320
the government knows. The government knows when an illegal alien

892
00:51:28.320 --> 00:51:31.360
has stolen somebody's identity and is using it to work illegally,

893
00:51:31.599 --> 00:51:35.519
but they don't notify anybody about it because they feel

894
00:51:35.519 --> 00:51:38.639
like their job is just to collect the revenues. That's

895
00:51:38.679 --> 00:51:40.519
got to stop, too. There are bills in Congress to

896
00:51:40.800 --> 00:51:43.800
change that. That's what we're pushing to get past in

897
00:51:43.840 --> 00:51:45.960
this Congress and in multiple congresses. And in the meantime,

898
00:51:46.000 --> 00:51:48.440
the states can do a lot too, and as we've

899
00:51:48.480 --> 00:51:49.239
been talking about.

900
00:51:49.480 --> 00:51:51.800
They are just not holding up there into the bargain either.

901
00:51:52.079 --> 00:51:55.320
We need to start thinking about this thing really critically.

902
00:51:55.559 --> 00:51:56.719
Yes, it's a midterm year.

903
00:51:56.800 --> 00:51:59.039
Yes there's going to be a lot of rhetoric, you

904
00:51:59.079 --> 00:52:01.559
know about who really care about immigration enforcement and who

905
00:52:01.559 --> 00:52:03.280
doesn't look at the records.

906
00:52:03.320 --> 00:52:06.599
That's what we're doing here at Numbers USA. Everybody here

907
00:52:06.880 --> 00:52:08.679
needs to be doing better.

908
00:52:09.360 --> 00:52:11.800
Well, Jeremy, you know you're hearing stories of people, you know,

909
00:52:11.840 --> 00:52:16.280
you talk about stolen ID and stolen social Security numbers

910
00:52:16.280 --> 00:52:18.920
in that were legal citizens all of a sudden are

911
00:52:18.920 --> 00:52:21.679
getting an audit from IRS saying, hey, wait a minute,

912
00:52:21.679 --> 00:52:25.280
we're showing you made you know, seventy thousand dollars over

913
00:52:25.320 --> 00:52:29.000
here in whatever city not they don't even live in,

914
00:52:29.119 --> 00:52:32.800
never been in, and but somebody's captured their Social Security

915
00:52:32.880 --> 00:52:36.239
number and now they're having guess what the IRS is

916
00:52:36.440 --> 00:52:39.679
too bad? Pay up? Pay up for what I didn't

917
00:52:39.719 --> 00:52:40.320
get the money.

918
00:52:41.519 --> 00:52:42.159
Yeah, that's right.

919
00:52:42.199 --> 00:52:44.840
And you know this often comes back to haunt victims

920
00:52:44.880 --> 00:52:47.840
of identity theft much later. They've been you know, they've

921
00:52:47.840 --> 00:52:50.320
been being robbed from for years and they didn't realize it.

922
00:52:50.360 --> 00:52:52.639
Then they go to apply for a loan for a

923
00:52:52.719 --> 00:52:55.719
house or college or something like that, and they're denied

924
00:52:55.800 --> 00:52:58.480
because it turns out that they're in huge debt because

925
00:52:58.519 --> 00:53:01.159
somebody's been running up debt under their identity.

926
00:53:01.800 --> 00:53:03.559
It's absolutely a scam.

927
00:53:03.920 --> 00:53:07.599
There's probably a million victims of this in America right now,

928
00:53:07.800 --> 00:53:11.119
and we're just simply looking the other way, all apparently

929
00:53:11.199 --> 00:53:13.840
all for the benefit and profit of cheap labor.

930
00:53:15.840 --> 00:53:19.000
It's just and I think it's it's deeper than that,

931
00:53:19.039 --> 00:53:20.920
it's cheap labor. But also, you know, one of the

932
00:53:20.920 --> 00:53:24.320
things we've been harping on here recently is that you

933
00:53:24.440 --> 00:53:26.280
have to think in terms of you know, forget about

934
00:53:26.280 --> 00:53:30.599
the party, the partisan politics. You know, it's us against

935
00:53:30.639 --> 00:53:33.039
them kind of deal, and it really still is us

936
00:53:33.079 --> 00:53:36.559
against them, but the US is are you pro American?

937
00:53:36.960 --> 00:53:41.920
Are you anti American? Okay? In order to protect this

938
00:53:42.079 --> 00:53:46.079
democratic republic, which Benjamin Franklin said, if you can keep

939
00:53:46.119 --> 00:53:50.480
it right, you've got to honor those things that support

940
00:53:50.760 --> 00:53:55.599
and reinforce the foundation of a democratic republic. And you

941
00:53:55.760 --> 00:53:58.960
have people out there that could care less for their

942
00:53:59.000 --> 00:54:02.199
own greed self present. Call it what you want, but

943
00:54:02.320 --> 00:54:06.440
they are anti American and they're living, they're they're with us,

944
00:54:06.599 --> 00:54:09.679
and we think they're all, you know, fellow citizens, and

945
00:54:09.679 --> 00:54:14.320
that well, guess what, they're undermining the future of America,

946
00:54:14.440 --> 00:54:17.039
the future of your kids, your grandkids and all that

947
00:54:17.079 --> 00:54:20.000
you've worked your butt off for. Said, because this is

948
00:54:20.039 --> 00:54:22.400
the right thing to do, and there are people out

949
00:54:22.400 --> 00:54:24.119
there they don't care about the right thing.

950
00:54:24.760 --> 00:54:26.320
Yeah, well, I mean, let's just go back to the

951
00:54:26.480 --> 00:54:28.960
you know, the proverbial immigrant that we were talking about

952
00:54:28.960 --> 00:54:32.360
at the beginning of our conversation. You know, the American dream,

953
00:54:32.480 --> 00:54:36.239
the American promise is that you come here, you work hard.

954
00:54:36.679 --> 00:54:38.840
You don't have to be a rocket scientist. If you

955
00:54:38.880 --> 00:54:41.000
have a good quality of character and a good work

956
00:54:41.039 --> 00:54:43.559
ethic and you put in the time you can, you

957
00:54:43.599 --> 00:54:47.239
can live a decent, middle class life. We know that

958
00:54:47.239 --> 00:54:51.000
that dream has become a fantasy for most Americans right now.

959
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And immigration is a part of it. It's not it's

960
00:54:53.599 --> 00:54:55.639
not the whole it's not the whole picture, but it's

961
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a significant part of it. When you when you simply

962
00:54:58.280 --> 00:55:00.199
have laws on the books that say, yeah, and it's

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illegal to hire somebody who's not authorized to work in

964
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the United States, but you don't have to check yeah, right,

965
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And this of course diminishes our trust in our institutions

966
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as well.

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People have a reason to.

968
00:55:11.360 --> 00:55:14.760
Be skeptical that their elected officials actually have their interests

969
00:55:14.760 --> 00:55:18.159
at heart. This is a perfect example for all the

970
00:55:18.239 --> 00:55:20.519
talk that we've had about like, oh my goodness, we

971
00:55:20.519 --> 00:55:23.440
should never let this crazy border crisis thing happen again.

972
00:55:24.000 --> 00:55:27.639
What has been done at the workplace? Nothing?

973
00:55:28.280 --> 00:55:28.519
Right?

974
00:55:28.920 --> 00:55:31.559
Yeah, and it comes down to at who's expense, Jeremy.

975
00:55:32.119 --> 00:55:34.320
There's no such thing as a free lunch. We know that,

976
00:55:34.679 --> 00:55:36.440
but I'll tell you what, there's some people that are

977
00:55:36.440 --> 00:55:38.719
bound and determined to make sure free lunches are still

978
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out there and available.

979
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These Americans, these whether they're native born or foreign born,

980
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these American workers who are losing these economic opportunities because

981
00:55:47.000 --> 00:55:50.880
of illegal employment, they don't just disappear. They're still in society.

982
00:55:50.920 --> 00:55:53.159
We still have to deal with them. They may become

983
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more dependent on welfare, they require more services, more support

984
00:55:57.320 --> 00:56:00.159
because they're not they're being denied the opportunity to to

985
00:56:00.199 --> 00:56:03.800
live self sufficient lives of dignity. So it ends up

986
00:56:03.800 --> 00:56:06.159
coming back on the taxpayer. Even if you are not

987
00:56:06.360 --> 00:56:10.360
personally impacted by illegal hiring, by somebody getting a job

988
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or you didn't get it because somebody else did. You're

989
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paying for it through your taxes because we have to

990
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support these Americans who are being denied, these self sustaining

991
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lives of dignity. It's something it's unconsfortable and really has

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to change.

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Getting America back on track.

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Bill Martinez Live.

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Wel good morning America, six minutes after the top of

1020
00:57:49.840 --> 00:57:52.880
the hour, right now, and we've got Scott Powell joining us.

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He's the author, member of the Committee on this Present

1022
00:57:55.039 --> 00:57:57.880
Danger of China, senior fellow at the Discovery Institute, and

1023
00:57:58.000 --> 00:58:01.000
author of his timeless book Rediscover Bring America. Just in

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time for our two hundred and fiftieth year anniversary. Hey,

1025
00:58:04.320 --> 00:58:07.920
mister Scott, how you doing. I'm doing well, built well.

1026
00:58:08.280 --> 00:58:11.760
Lots to talk about here, you know, the the war

1027
00:58:12.320 --> 00:58:14.559
here we are less than two weeks and the way

1028
00:58:14.599 --> 00:58:17.639
this is being conducted. You know, I think there's a

1029
00:58:17.679 --> 00:58:21.360
lot of people who are pro American, you know, standing

1030
00:58:21.400 --> 00:58:25.199
up with their hands over their heart, you know, chanting

1031
00:58:25.360 --> 00:58:30.719
Usa USA, because you know, we're responding to the cry

1032
00:58:31.000 --> 00:58:33.320
for freedom from the Iranian people.

1033
00:58:36.960 --> 00:58:40.119
I would agree, well, and.

1034
00:58:40.519 --> 00:58:44.480
You say, now you've been writing about, you know, the

1035
00:58:44.519 --> 00:58:48.320
MAGA response to this, which is the base of Trump

1036
00:58:48.360 --> 00:58:52.360
and his presidency, are very pro this. The polling indicates

1037
00:58:52.400 --> 00:58:56.719
that there is an increase in you know, popularity and

1038
00:58:57.840 --> 00:59:01.280
noted effectiveness by this president. This president is doing something

1039
00:59:01.320 --> 00:59:04.239
that you know, people they other presidents have talked about,

1040
00:59:04.519 --> 00:59:07.559
people have been waiting for, and here it is. Uh

1041
00:59:07.599 --> 00:59:10.719
and uh, you know, Donald Trump is is breaking some

1042
00:59:10.760 --> 00:59:13.840
traditions and making things happen. And I think this is

1043
00:59:14.239 --> 00:59:18.440
endemic of his administration and it's frustrating that he's not

1044
00:59:19.320 --> 00:59:22.440
getting that message across to the rest of the Republicans.

1045
00:59:22.440 --> 00:59:25.440
He's elected officials, not so much in Congress, but certainly

1046
00:59:25.480 --> 00:59:25.960
in the Senate.

1047
00:59:26.039 --> 00:59:30.599
Scott, Yeah, it is. It's a very you know, it's

1048
00:59:30.599 --> 00:59:31.920
a tough situation to be in.

1049
00:59:32.039 --> 00:59:35.760
You know, we you know, in the American in the

1050
00:59:35.760 --> 00:59:39.280
American mind are the are the misguided?

1051
00:59:40.480 --> 00:59:41.159
Overseas?

1052
00:59:41.559 --> 00:59:49.119
Uh, you know, foreign policies of Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan and Uh,

1053
00:59:49.719 --> 00:59:52.719
it sort of makes it hard for people to trust that,

1054
00:59:53.719 --> 00:59:57.679
you know, we can really well, regime change is something

1055
00:59:57.679 --> 01:00:01.599
that most people feel that we can that's a no.

1056
01:00:01.400 --> 01:00:02.760
No, we shouldn't try to do that.

1057
01:00:03.920 --> 01:00:06.760
So now we're really almost in the business of regime

1058
01:00:06.960 --> 01:00:12.159
regime change in Iran because you know, we're committed to

1059
01:00:12.280 --> 01:00:17.400
defeating their military capability, but we also recognize that unless

1060
01:00:17.840 --> 01:00:20.119
there is a change at the top, then we're going

1061
01:00:20.199 --> 01:00:21.760
to have to deal with this problem again.

1062
01:00:22.480 --> 01:00:25.519
Right, Well, because that's been the case, we haven't and

1063
01:00:25.599 --> 01:00:27.800
it keeps repeating itself and it gets worse. I mean,

1064
01:00:27.840 --> 01:00:31.639
you've got estimates of forty to sixty thousand Iranians murdered

1065
01:00:31.639 --> 01:00:35.039
in the streets by the IRGC and local law enforcement there.

1066
01:00:35.760 --> 01:00:38.400
And they are already threatening the people even now as

1067
01:00:38.440 --> 01:00:43.360
they hold on to their you know, their precious control

1068
01:00:43.760 --> 01:00:47.920
of Iran ever so ever so tightly, as it's slipping

1069
01:00:47.960 --> 01:00:51.239
through their fingers, as all their military assets are being

1070
01:00:51.280 --> 01:00:55.159
destroyed along with their leaderships gott and and they've threatened

1071
01:00:55.159 --> 01:00:56.599
the people. They said, hey, look at if you come

1072
01:00:56.599 --> 01:00:59.039
out of the street, we're going to treat you like

1073
01:00:59.159 --> 01:01:02.480
a combatant. So the only people that are coming on

1074
01:01:02.519 --> 01:01:04.840
the street are the people that are supporting the IETOLA.

1075
01:01:05.360 --> 01:01:08.760
Right, I think that's the case right now, Yes, right.

1076
01:01:09.480 --> 01:01:11.920
So they they you know, if you and I talked

1077
01:01:11.960 --> 01:01:15.400
about for the last several weeks here Iranians that are

1078
01:01:15.400 --> 01:01:18.760
having their Patrick Henry moment of give me liberty or

1079
01:01:18.800 --> 01:01:21.199
give me death, and they put on the line. So

1080
01:01:21.599 --> 01:01:24.480
and Trump has told them, look at We're gonna accommodate you.

1081
01:01:24.559 --> 01:01:27.360
We're giving you space and time. When it's ready, you

1082
01:01:27.400 --> 01:01:29.360
need to take over your government. This is going to

1083
01:01:29.400 --> 01:01:32.480
be your government. So the regime change will be changed

1084
01:01:32.480 --> 01:01:36.840
from you know, bottom up, not top down, and not

1085
01:01:36.840 --> 01:01:39.760
not from the United States. It'll be the people's voice

1086
01:01:39.760 --> 01:01:43.719
there in Iran choosing who they want to run their country.

1087
01:01:44.159 --> 01:01:46.880
And you know, they've gone through monarchs, they've gone through

1088
01:01:47.360 --> 01:01:50.440
religious zealots, and they want to return They got a

1089
01:01:50.440 --> 01:01:52.960
little bit of taste of it with you know, with

1090
01:01:53.039 --> 01:01:56.320
the Shaw before he went overboard, a little taste of

1091
01:01:56.360 --> 01:02:00.519
democracy and freedom, and they want to grasp to That

1092
01:02:00.679 --> 01:02:03.480
is the sentiment that I'm getting from the streets of Iran,

1093
01:02:03.920 --> 01:02:05.280
from the people that are able to talk.

1094
01:02:06.280 --> 01:02:08.039
I would I would agree with you. I would agree

1095
01:02:08.039 --> 01:02:09.760
with you. But they're they're really in.

1096
01:02:10.159 --> 01:02:13.519
A tough position now where they as you just pointed out,

1097
01:02:13.519 --> 01:02:16.239
they can't get into the streets without risking their lives.

1098
01:02:16.320 --> 01:02:19.480
These people don't have any arms too, So you know,

1099
01:02:19.519 --> 01:02:22.719
I have recommended that one of the one of the

1100
01:02:22.800 --> 01:02:25.800
strategies we should be we should be doing is to

1101
01:02:26.079 --> 01:02:30.280
arm the Iranian people themselves so that they can get

1102
01:02:30.280 --> 01:02:32.159
the job done so we don't.

1103
01:02:31.920 --> 01:02:34.760
Have It may come down to that, because the fact

1104
01:02:34.800 --> 01:02:36.480
of the matter is in the war's God as you know,

1105
01:02:38.039 --> 01:02:41.280
you know, everybody's all perplexed and they're all clutching their

1106
01:02:41.320 --> 01:02:44.239
pearls about boots on the ground, just about winning the war,

1107
01:02:44.719 --> 01:02:46.199
and you've got to do what it takes to win

1108
01:02:46.239 --> 01:02:48.519
the war. And I know they don't want to talk

1109
01:02:48.519 --> 01:02:52.159
about it because the media goes crazy and they don't

1110
01:02:52.159 --> 01:02:53.800
even know what they're talking about. Most of these people

1111
01:02:53.840 --> 01:02:56.400
have never been in a war and they don't understand that.

1112
01:02:57.360 --> 01:03:00.360
You know, war always comes down when when you come

1113
01:03:00.400 --> 01:03:02.840
down to the final days and you're gonna as as

1114
01:03:02.840 --> 01:03:07.039
Trump is, his goal is unconditional surrender. The only way

1115
01:03:07.039 --> 01:03:09.440
you can get unconditional surrender is you've got to root

1116
01:03:09.480 --> 01:03:12.679
everybody out. It's like what we're experiencing in Gaza right now. Scott,

1117
01:03:13.719 --> 01:03:17.199
you know, you've got what the Hamas is still holding

1118
01:03:17.199 --> 01:03:21.079
about forty five percent of the land there in in

1119
01:03:21.119 --> 01:03:23.440
the gaza, and the only way you're going to get

1120
01:03:23.480 --> 01:03:25.159
them out is you're going to have to go face

1121
01:03:25.199 --> 01:03:27.559
to face, toe to toe and get them out of there.

1122
01:03:27.559 --> 01:03:30.480
Because these are religious villas, these are death cults, and

1123
01:03:30.559 --> 01:03:34.440
they fight, they fight to the death. And most Americans

1124
01:03:34.480 --> 01:03:36.880
Western civil we don't think that way. We think, Okay,

1125
01:03:36.880 --> 01:03:40.199
all right, you kicked our butt, Okay, you win. I'll

1126
01:03:40.199 --> 01:03:43.079
play nice for a while until whatever. I take some

1127
01:03:43.159 --> 01:03:44.880
extra vitamins and I think I want to come back

1128
01:03:44.920 --> 01:03:48.559
and you know, and try this again. But no, these

1129
01:03:48.599 --> 01:03:51.159
people are down. They're down to the final moments they

1130
01:03:51.199 --> 01:03:54.960
want uh, They're they're going to die holding their gun

1131
01:03:55.280 --> 01:03:57.239
and they're going to go out in the blaze of glory.

1132
01:03:57.280 --> 01:04:00.119
It's not going to be a situation where they're just

1133
01:04:00.159 --> 01:04:02.039
going to put down their arms and for the sake

1134
01:04:02.079 --> 01:04:04.239
of some sort of pardon. They could care less. It

1135
01:04:04.280 --> 01:04:07.079
sounds nice, I mean, Trump has offered that opportunity for them,

1136
01:04:07.239 --> 01:04:10.239
but they're not interested. It's the wrong gospel, wrong church, Scott,

1137
01:04:10.920 --> 01:04:11.360
that's right.

1138
01:04:11.599 --> 01:04:16.440
No, this is a phenomena that we're not we're really

1139
01:04:16.440 --> 01:04:19.199
equipped to deal with people like this, but we you know,

1140
01:04:19.360 --> 01:04:21.519
history has put us in this time to deal with it,

1141
01:04:21.679 --> 01:04:25.760
and I think we have to get behind our president

1142
01:04:26.400 --> 01:04:30.000
and support him. He has the best intelligence and I

1143
01:04:30.000 --> 01:04:34.800
think all things considered, he has pretty good judgment on matters.

1144
01:04:34.800 --> 01:04:38.639
So yeah, look at what he's doing. To your point, Scott,

1145
01:04:38.679 --> 01:04:41.360
he's moving the ball up the field. He really, I mean,

1146
01:04:41.400 --> 01:04:45.519
we're progressing in a way that is just incredible. You

1147
01:04:45.559 --> 01:04:48.039
know how quick you know the team is working together.

1148
01:04:48.239 --> 01:04:51.119
But this is what happens when you have people that

1149
01:04:51.280 --> 01:04:54.719
are precision focused, you get precision results, as Pete Hex

1150
01:04:54.800 --> 01:04:59.360
has said, and you know they are focused on the

1151
01:04:59.400 --> 01:05:02.719
ethos of their mission, you know, to get the job done,

1152
01:05:03.000 --> 01:05:06.199
to win the war, not to extend something out for

1153
01:05:06.239 --> 01:05:11.239
twenty years because the industrial complex can benefit, you know, monetarily. No,

1154
01:05:11.400 --> 01:05:13.559
we need to get in, get out, let the people.

1155
01:05:13.679 --> 01:05:16.559
You know, they want freedom. You know, they've already invested

1156
01:05:16.840 --> 01:05:20.599
something like fifty sixty thousand lives for the sake of

1157
01:05:20.599 --> 01:05:24.199
free Their blood is on the streets there in Iran,

1158
01:05:25.079 --> 01:05:28.280
and they deserve a shot at it. And whatever we

1159
01:05:28.360 --> 01:05:31.400
can do to help facilitate it. I'm you know, I'm

1160
01:05:31.480 --> 01:05:33.440
for it. And there's a way, you know, But we

1161
01:05:33.519 --> 01:05:35.519
need to get people all in the and it's going

1162
01:05:35.599 --> 01:05:38.599
to be impossible because you know, like you said, when

1163
01:05:38.639 --> 01:05:42.000
we do stuff like this, it's it deals with the minority,

1164
01:05:42.159 --> 01:05:44.199
the majority of people. They don't want to go to war.

1165
01:05:44.519 --> 01:05:46.599
You know, they're okay, you don't want to go to

1166
01:05:46.639 --> 01:05:50.199
war until your back end is being handed to you

1167
01:05:50.679 --> 01:05:53.440
and you have no guns, you have no free speech,

1168
01:05:53.760 --> 01:05:56.039
and get you get your head knocked off and your

1169
01:05:56.119 --> 01:05:58.519
kids and your family are being killed, and then you go,

1170
01:05:59.199 --> 01:06:01.480
we should have went, well, well, you missed the timing.

1171
01:06:01.480 --> 01:06:03.679
There's a time to go to war, and there's a

1172
01:06:03.760 --> 01:06:06.679
time for peace, you know, as the Bible says, and

1173
01:06:06.719 --> 01:06:09.519
God forbid that you screw up on the timing. Right.

1174
01:06:10.599 --> 01:06:12.880
Very well, said Bill, very well said.

1175
01:06:13.920 --> 01:06:16.400
Well, the people got to get together. I mean, this

1176
01:06:16.440 --> 01:06:20.159
is about being unified, and our country needs unity, and

1177
01:06:20.199 --> 01:06:22.800
we need to know who what voices we're listening to,

1178
01:06:23.440 --> 01:06:26.679
and this will play itself out. I'm very optimistic about this,

1179
01:06:26.719 --> 01:06:29.239
and I think I'm very hopeful for America that this

1180
01:06:29.320 --> 01:06:32.079
will be a good sign, you know, for us and

1181
01:06:32.800 --> 01:06:36.639
bring us together, especially on our two hundred and fiftieth anniversary.

1182
01:06:36.800 --> 01:06:38.679
We've got to go to quick Break. Stay with us.

1183
01:06:38.719 --> 01:06:40.519
We've got more from Scott Powell after this.

1184
01:06:41.960 --> 01:06:44.239
Why do I go to the doctor? Working on the farm?

1185
01:06:44.360 --> 01:06:46.679
My heart kept skipping a beat. I didn't think much

1186
01:06:46.679 --> 01:06:48.840
of it, but my daughters made me get checked out.

1187
01:06:49.079 --> 01:06:52.320
Turns out I have atrial fibrillation, which increases the risk

1188
01:06:52.360 --> 01:06:54.239
of stroke about five times.

1189
01:06:54.280 --> 01:06:57.840
Symptoms like a regular heartbeat, heart racing, chest pain, shortness

1190
01:06:57.840 --> 01:07:00.800
of breath, fatigue, or lightheadedness come come go. But if

1191
01:07:00.800 --> 01:07:03.199
it's a FIB, the risk of stroke remains. If you

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Hey, we're back with you, Bill Martinez here with Scott Powell,

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Senior Fellows the Discovery Institute.

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His book.

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You've got to read his book if you haven't had

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your hands on it. It is worthy of your time

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and your investment rediscovering America, especially in light as we've

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been saying our two hundred and fiftieth year anniversary. Scott,

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you bring so much, you know, to the forefront here,

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things that aren't taught in school, things that we don't

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talk about because too many Americans are just interested in

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arguing and fussing and instead of just pausing for a

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moment and being thankful for this great American idea that God,

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Almighty of all people, he could have given this to anybody, Scott,

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but he decided to give it to we the people.

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Yes, yeah, well, it just it came on a remarkable

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thing foundation, you know, of Christian history that had to

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go through a reformation first, the Reformation of you know,

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fifteen seventeen, you know, changed the course of Christianity. It

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brought reform to the church, and it brought a new

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sense of a personal relationship with God and the need

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for people to be free, and that desire for freedom

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drove Columbus across the sea. The New World was discovered,

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and so it was that that, you know, the way

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to colonization. Christian colonization in America took place in the

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next century, and every colony was founded by Christians.

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And we while we're not.

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A Christian nature in Christian nation as a government, Christian

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principles are behind all of our governmental institutions.

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Right you know you and you said it so perfectly, Scott.

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Is that without the foundation, without the moral foundation that

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Christianity lays down, you don't have this great American idea.

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This is why John Adams said our constitution, our government

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was designed for a moral and religious people. You take

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that and the Constitution implodes on itself. And look what's

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happening in these areas, these goofy areas where we think

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we know better and we turn our back on God.

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Look what's happening. We're so confused. We don't even know

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what bathroom to use, We don't know if boys should

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be playing in gross sports. I mean, this is an

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upside down, kooky kind of world here. And you know,

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people need to see this, you know, it's like, hey,

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you're not wrong, You're not wrong in calling this out.

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You know, they're wrong for trying to do something that's

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unnatural at the expense. I guess what of the next

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generation's coming up, Scott, because they're the ones that are

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paying the price.

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Right, absolutely, absolutely no. So many of our problems can

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be lifted from us if we only had a spiritual

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revival in America of you know, gendered confusion, transgenderism it.

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You know who's talking about it from the right perspective,

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which is that God created us man and woman.

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Boy and girl.

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Yeah, and you can't you can't redefine human nature because

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you want to. You are born biologically by God's principles

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in a certain way. And and when we had clarity

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on that, life was a lot better. Now we're having

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all kinds of turmoil because you know, we're no longer

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you know, living freely within God's boundaries. We've exceeded those boundaries,

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and chaos has ensued.

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Well, and it's not like we hadn't been warned. I mean,

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the number one selling book, Scott still is the Bible,

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and it's on many shelves across America. But I say,

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it shouldn't be on the shelf, it should be open

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on your lap. And you read these things and you see,

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God warned us, told us exactly, this is what you

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01:14:59.800 --> 01:15:01.800
get when you're with God. Here's what you get when

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you're not with God. So now we're seeing quite clearly

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01:15:05.800 --> 01:15:08.800
what it is, what life in America is or anywhere

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01:15:08.920 --> 01:15:12.760
without you know, without God Almighty, and we're paying that price.

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So how how many more suicides do we have to endure?

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How many more murders do we have to endure of

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01:15:18.960 --> 01:15:22.840
our family members? The heartbreak that goes on? How many

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01:15:22.880 --> 01:15:26.600
more addictions? How many more divorces, how many more families

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01:15:26.680 --> 01:15:29.600
broken up that the kids you know that our grandkids

1344
01:15:29.600 --> 01:15:33.079
are devastated over Scott. How many more do we have

1345
01:15:33.159 --> 01:15:35.760
to go through? How many more abortions do we have

1346
01:15:35.840 --> 01:15:39.079
to go through before we realize that, look at, we

1347
01:15:39.239 --> 01:15:42.560
have offended a holy God. And if you want the

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ship to get righted, and you want things, you want

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01:15:45.479 --> 01:15:49.039
peace on earth, then look at, you better realign yourself

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with godly principles. Otherwise you know, good luck. And there's

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01:15:54.039 --> 01:15:57.159
no doubt. I mean, we know from the Bible that

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eventually it'll all go to Hell in a handbasket before

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Jesus comes back again. All we know that. But meanwhile, okay,

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knowing that you better be prepared and at least for

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you and your house, decide who in the heck you're

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going to serve?

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Right, absolutely, absolutely, well, of course you know, the way

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back to God is for us to acknowledge our failure,

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our sin and repentance is the foundation of any people

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that want to return to God. And I think that

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our role as Christians, as believers is really to repent

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01:16:36.079 --> 01:16:39.039
for those who can't repent in America, and there certainly

1363
01:16:39.039 --> 01:16:42.000
are a lot of people who have no moral compass

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01:16:42.640 --> 01:16:45.319
and therefore they're not in a position to repent. But

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we who know can repent for the nation, and I

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think we're called to do that.

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They will see the difference in us to such a

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01:16:55.560 --> 01:16:59.359
degree good, they'll say, hey, what do you got, What's

1369
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what's the man in Scott Powell? Why are you at peace?

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Well?

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Why are you so settled? And of course the Bible says,

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you know, be prepared at any time to give a

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reason for the hope that you have. Right, And so

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Christians have to speak out boldly and understanding that you

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know because right now we can still speak out boldly.

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You know, yeah, you get canceled, and you may you know,

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people may try to hurt your feelings. But you know,

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I choose not to subordinate my feelings to other interests.

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You know, I choose to have my feelings attached to

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God Almighty. Do I do that one hundred percent? And

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I'm not perfect, you know, I have less than moments.

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But you know, those less than moments remind me of

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the times when I am connected with God and it

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01:17:47.640 --> 01:17:50.760
goes well and it makes sense and peace is there.

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So I go, Okay, I know the difference, right.

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Yes, yes, well this is clearly harvest time. I mean,

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we can see it in the post Charlie Kirk World.

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Charlie.

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Charlie of course, was a wonderful young Christian leader and

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his you know, his murder has resulted in a bit

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of a spiritual revival among young people exactly, And so

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01:18:12.760 --> 01:18:16.119
the people are searching more now than ever with all

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of the confusion, the moral confusion, we do have a

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great opportunity to you know, to witness and see spiritual

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01:18:24.920 --> 01:18:31.479
revival because people are anxious, they're confused, and they need

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01:18:31.600 --> 01:18:34.960
they need us to lead them back into God's.

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Ways, and they need God's Church, and in God's Church

1398
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needs to be aligned with what God is doing right now, Scott,

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01:18:42.039 --> 01:18:44.800
You're exactly right. There is such a movement of God.

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And the thing is is that look what happened when

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Jesus wept, right, when he wept over Jerusalem? Why did

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01:18:51.039 --> 01:18:53.319
he weep over Jerusalem? Scott? Do you remember?

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01:18:54.600 --> 01:18:55.680
Well? Of course, you know.

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It was that Jerusalem was lost by and large, you know,

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01:19:02.720 --> 01:19:04.960
the chosen people rejected Jesus.

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Christ right, and yeah, Jesus said, you know, to add

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01:19:09.199 --> 01:19:12.760
to that, he said, because they missed their appointed time.

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That's right.

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So here we are, is this our appointed time for

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01:19:19.159 --> 01:19:23.159
this generation that God's Church should come together. These churches

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01:19:23.199 --> 01:19:25.720
that picked up on some of these goofy things that

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01:19:25.760 --> 01:19:30.439
are unbiblical need to get their acts together and they

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01:19:30.520 --> 01:19:33.359
need to align themselves with the truth of God, with

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01:19:33.399 --> 01:19:35.520
what God said. Well, let's go back to the garden.

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You know, you kind of refer to this indirectly. You know,

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01:19:40.439 --> 01:19:42.680
we get into that situation and we want to hear

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01:19:42.720 --> 01:19:45.960
the voice of Satan saying, did God really say? Well,

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01:19:45.960 --> 01:19:50.159
of course he said, okay, but he throws up that

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01:19:50.239 --> 01:19:54.000
little question of doubt. Did God really say? Did God

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01:19:54.039 --> 01:19:57.680
really say that I created them man and woman? You know,

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01:19:58.039 --> 01:20:00.640
And if you have to pause to answer that question,

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01:20:01.239 --> 01:20:03.760
then you need to be in the word a little

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bit more because God was real clear and you've had

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any doubt, Just study the first eleven books of Genesis.

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Everything that we're dealing with right now, it's right there

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in the first eleven books of Genesis. Go back to

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the beginning, right.

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Yes, absolutely, Genesis is you know, Genesis is really the

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the anchor of everything else.

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Right, I mean, it's like God's manifesto. You know, Hey,

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I love you, I love you, and this is how

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you'll benefit. Yeah, you know, I.

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Goes and and God, you know, God love, who loves us,

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wants us to live fulfilled, meaningful and joyful lives. That's

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that's what he wants for us. We want the same thing,

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but we we we can't get there without going through.

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Him, right exactly. Yeah, this isn't McDonald's have it your way,

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ladies and gentlemen. We've got to have it his way, Okay,

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01:20:59.760 --> 01:21:02.279
just shortcut to the bottom line. We got to leave

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it there for now. Scott Powell, the author member of

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the Committee on this present danger China, a senior fellow

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at the Discovery Institute, and his very popular book Because

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We Said So, Rediscovering America How National Holidays tell an

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amazing story of who America is and who Americans are.

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Scott Powell, thank you so much. Appreciate it, my friend,

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Thank you.

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for Patriots, Hey.

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Welcome back America. Bill Martinez here with the doctor George Barna,

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the infamous, the one and only, to talk about his

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01:25:35.600 --> 01:25:39.920
latest study that is finding the churchgoers are tipping towards

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01:25:40.119 --> 01:25:44.800
socialism and away from scripture. Are you shocked and surprised?

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01:25:46.399 --> 01:25:48.680
I'm not personally. I mean it's a continuation of a

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01:25:48.760 --> 01:25:51.920
treat and I've been tracking for forty years. This is

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01:25:52.000 --> 01:25:55.840
just the latest iteration of it. But yeah, I mean, nevertheless,

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01:25:56.000 --> 01:25:59.000
I'm the reason I keep tracking it is that I'm

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01:25:59.039 --> 01:26:01.720
hopeful that at some point Christian leaders will hear some

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01:26:01.920 --> 01:26:04.720
of this and they'll say, oh, my gosh, that's not

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01:26:04.760 --> 01:26:06.680
the way it's supposed to be. We better do something

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01:26:06.720 --> 01:26:09.600
about it, right, great plan, let's do something about it.

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01:26:10.039 --> 01:26:12.840
Well it's almost like, you know, it's one thing for leaders,

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01:26:12.840 --> 01:26:16.560
but the other thing is the people themselves to say, oh,

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01:26:16.640 --> 01:26:19.239
you know what, I'm going to forget about the stove

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01:26:19.319 --> 01:26:21.880
being hot. I'm going to go ahead and put my

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01:26:21.920 --> 01:26:24.520
hand on a hot stove once again. I'm going to

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01:26:24.560 --> 01:26:26.159
go and you and I've talked about this as well.

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01:26:26.199 --> 01:26:28.159
I'm going to go ahead and defy gravity because I

1536
01:26:28.199 --> 01:26:33.239
don't think God exists. Okay, And after you have enough

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01:26:33.279 --> 01:26:36.199
carnage and people are tired of being stupid and injured,

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01:26:36.399 --> 01:26:40.119
they finally say, oh, maybe we ought to rethink these theories, right,

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01:26:40.159 --> 01:26:43.960
because you know, again we're reminded one of the wisest

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01:26:43.960 --> 01:26:47.880
men we're told, Solomon himself, said there's nothing new under

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01:26:47.920 --> 01:26:50.479
the sun. And so here we are. We're in this

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01:26:51.279 --> 01:26:56.640
human disease factory that just keeps on repeating all this silliness,

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01:26:56.680 --> 01:27:00.359
thinking that somehow there's going to be a pony under

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01:27:00.399 --> 01:27:02.399
all that manure that's stocked up for us.

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01:27:03.479 --> 01:27:07.279
Well, yeah, and so part of what this study did.

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We did this in conjunction with Family Research Council because

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01:27:11.039 --> 01:27:14.279
they're working with thousands of churches and millions of individual

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01:27:14.359 --> 01:27:19.680
Christians who are conservative in terms of their political persuasion,

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01:27:20.319 --> 01:27:22.840
and they want to see the country return to its

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01:27:22.920 --> 01:27:27.000
biblical roots. Great, but then we do this kind of

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01:27:27.079 --> 01:27:30.399
research with churched people, and that's what this study was,

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01:27:30.439 --> 01:27:35.279
among people who consistently go to church Christian churches, and

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01:27:35.319 --> 01:27:39.479
we find that, wow, their worldview is so far off

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01:27:39.560 --> 01:27:46.199
the mark, even though they're attending conservative churches. They're conservative politically.

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01:27:46.840 --> 01:27:48.720
You know. We've got a third of them who say

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01:27:48.760 --> 01:27:53.479
they prefer socialism to capitalism. You've got another quarter of

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01:27:53.520 --> 01:27:55.359
them who say, well, gee, I don't know which one

1558
01:27:55.399 --> 01:27:58.319
would be better, really, you know, And then you look

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01:27:58.359 --> 01:28:01.319
at their worldview, you look at their views about success

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01:28:01.359 --> 01:28:06.560
and purpose and salvation and truth and the Bible and

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01:28:06.600 --> 01:28:11.119
so forth, and it's minorities of these people. These are

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01:28:11.319 --> 01:28:13.880
our best and our brightest, so to speak. When we

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01:28:14.039 --> 01:28:17.319
like the church world they don't get it. They don't

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01:28:17.319 --> 01:28:19.960
have a biblical worldview. You know, only eleven percent have

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01:28:20.039 --> 01:28:23.600
a biblical worldview. So yeah, I mean we've got to

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01:28:24.720 --> 01:28:28.520
rethink the entire approach that we're taking in ministry because

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01:28:28.520 --> 01:28:31.119
it's that whole definition of insanity. Keep doing the same

1568
01:28:31.119 --> 01:28:34.600
thing over and over and think, oh, yeah, tomorrow they'll

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01:28:34.600 --> 01:28:38.880
have a biblical worldview. Tomorrow they'll understand that socialism kills

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01:28:38.880 --> 01:28:41.479
the culture. You know. No, I mean we've got to

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01:28:41.479 --> 01:28:44.199
be much more direct and take a whole different approach.

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01:28:44.960 --> 01:28:49.039
Jesus gave us the approach. It's called discipleship, and you know,

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01:28:49.119 --> 01:28:53.239
we're simply not practicing it. We think programs and big

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01:28:53.239 --> 01:28:54.199
events are the way to.

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01:28:54.159 --> 01:28:56.880
Go exactly well. And the thing is, I think it's

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01:28:56.920 --> 01:29:00.000
interesting that we're talking about this topic, not only because

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01:29:00.199 --> 01:29:03.119
what happened in New York, but also that here we

1578
01:29:03.159 --> 01:29:07.279
are on the eve of Thanksgiving and we've got Thanksgiving

1579
01:29:07.319 --> 01:29:11.199
Week coming upon us here, which I love. And look,

1580
01:29:12.199 --> 01:29:15.960
look what happened with the Pilgrims. They experimented with socialism,

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01:29:16.439 --> 01:29:19.880
and I think it was quite ironic because here the Pilgrims,

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01:29:20.800 --> 01:29:25.119
you know, were enscunched. I mean, they had bathed themselves

1583
01:29:25.159 --> 01:29:29.159
in scripture, in prayer and fasting, you know, seeking God

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01:29:29.199 --> 01:29:31.760
for some twelve years fight let us have a place

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01:29:31.760 --> 01:29:34.680
where we could worship you freely. Right, And so they

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01:29:34.760 --> 01:29:39.920
come to America and they land up end up by accident.

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01:29:39.960 --> 01:29:48.399
It wasn't their main target in Massachusetts, and they experiment

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01:29:48.479 --> 01:29:54.399
with socialism and after two years they go, this ain't working.

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01:29:55.199 --> 01:29:59.199
And they learned the hard way that socialism. Fortunately they

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01:29:59.199 --> 01:30:01.880
didn't have to do what what other socialists did and

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01:30:01.960 --> 01:30:04.319
murdering a bunch of people. Because that's the other thing

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01:30:04.319 --> 01:30:05.840
because even in the modern era, in the last one

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01:30:05.880 --> 01:30:10.640
hundred years, socialism or any of the isms, communism and

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01:30:11.000 --> 01:30:14.159
you know, the founders of communism said, look at socialism

1595
01:30:14.319 --> 01:30:18.039
is just a nano's breath away from communism. So you

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01:30:18.199 --> 01:30:21.039
just call it what it is. But responsible George for

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01:30:21.159 --> 01:30:25.439
killing over one hundred million people. Oh so that sounds great,

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01:30:25.520 --> 01:30:28.199
Let's do that, huh.

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01:30:28.239 --> 01:30:31.119
And you look at all of that and you recognize, okay,

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01:30:31.159 --> 01:30:34.720
So where does socialism come from. What's what's its body

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01:30:34.760 --> 01:30:38.199
of philosophy drawn from? Well, it's drawn basically from marx

1602
01:30:38.920 --> 01:30:42.520
So it's essentially Marxism. And what are the key tenets

1603
01:30:42.520 --> 01:30:46.520
of Marxism, all the things that our forefathers came here

1604
01:30:46.560 --> 01:30:49.239
to get away from the idea that there's no God,

1605
01:30:49.279 --> 01:30:51.319
that the Bible is not true, that there is no

1606
01:30:51.479 --> 01:30:56.359
absolute moral truth. You know that it's the elites who

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01:30:56.439 --> 01:30:59.439
know what's best for you, and so we should have

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01:30:59.520 --> 01:31:01.960
no power. They should have it all because they'll make

1609
01:31:02.000 --> 01:31:05.119
better decisions for us. You know, all of that proven

1610
01:31:05.159 --> 01:31:08.720
to be false, and yet they still tinker with it

1611
01:31:08.880 --> 01:31:12.760
when they get here. It's remarkable. Thankfully they didn't take

1612
01:31:12.800 --> 01:31:15.079
as long as a lot of other people in America

1613
01:31:15.119 --> 01:31:18.640
today seem to be taking to figure this out. But yeah,

1614
01:31:18.680 --> 01:31:21.239
I mean, we've got to open our eyes and recognize

1615
01:31:21.880 --> 01:31:25.359
there is a God. He is truth. He gave us

1616
01:31:25.439 --> 01:31:28.119
truth in his word. He wants the best for you,

1617
01:31:28.199 --> 01:31:32.079
and that's why he talks about how all of these

1618
01:31:32.079 --> 01:31:36.439
things need to work, including his chosen people. In the survey,

1619
01:31:36.560 --> 01:31:40.920
we looked at perceptions about, and beliefs about, and interest

1620
01:31:41.000 --> 01:31:46.000
in Israel, and we're finding that church going Americans, born

1621
01:31:46.039 --> 01:31:51.239
again Christians in America feel no responsibility whatsoever. Most of them,

1622
01:31:51.279 --> 01:31:54.159
not all of them, but most of them would say

1623
01:31:54.199 --> 01:31:57.720
they have no responsibility Israel. We are the new Israel.

1624
01:31:58.159 --> 01:32:01.439
We are the spiritual Church, which they are not. You

1625
01:32:01.439 --> 01:32:05.760
know they gave that what but you know it's like

1626
01:32:05.800 --> 01:32:11.239
what scriptures are you reading? So exactly really need a

1627
01:32:11.279 --> 01:32:15.319
rejiggering of the whole puzzle here so that we put

1628
01:32:15.359 --> 01:32:17.600
it together the way that God wants it put together.

1629
01:32:18.079 --> 01:32:20.840
Well, until we reconnect with God himself. See, this is

1630
01:32:20.840 --> 01:32:23.319
the deal beginning. Wisdom starts with God. You have no

1631
01:32:23.359 --> 01:32:26.239
relationship with God, you just kind of render yourself stupid, right,

1632
01:32:26.520 --> 01:32:29.199
I mean history has demonstrated that time and time again.

1633
01:32:29.319 --> 01:32:33.119
All right, as sure as if you defy gravity, you're

1634
01:32:33.119 --> 01:32:36.319
going to hit the ground. You know, it's the same thing.

1635
01:32:36.920 --> 01:32:39.920
It's just built into the cake. God is the source

1636
01:32:39.960 --> 01:32:42.520
of all wisdom. You think you know better than God,

1637
01:32:42.600 --> 01:32:44.239
will then listen to him. Chuckle.

1638
01:32:45.800 --> 01:32:48.680
And keep in mind too that when we look at this,

1639
01:32:48.880 --> 01:32:52.600
so many people in our churches have thought that because

1640
01:32:52.720 --> 01:32:56.319
we're told we can have a relationship with God, that

1641
01:32:56.680 --> 01:32:59.680
it becomes a good buddy relationship. Yeah, God's my good buddy.

1642
01:33:00.199 --> 01:33:05.359
Stands No, he understands, but He's not just going to

1643
01:33:05.439 --> 01:33:08.000
let you go anywhere and do anything and think anything,

1644
01:33:08.079 --> 01:33:11.920
believe anything, which is what the church is becoming we're

1645
01:33:11.960 --> 01:33:16.680
now moving toward that phase where it's all about emotions. Oh,

1646
01:33:16.720 --> 01:33:19.840
I love God, I feel God, you know, but I

1647
01:33:19.880 --> 01:33:22.439
also feel like having an affair with that woman because man,

1648
01:33:22.479 --> 01:33:25.439
is she beautiful. But God made that beauty. He'll understand,

1649
01:33:25.640 --> 01:33:28.640
you know, He'll cut me a break here. No, that's

1650
01:33:28.680 --> 01:33:31.399
not the way it works. He gave us very specific

1651
01:33:31.479 --> 01:33:35.520
guidelines by which to live, which is why the Bible alone,

1652
01:33:36.000 --> 01:33:40.600
among all the books in history, has persisted accurately over

1653
01:33:40.640 --> 01:33:43.960
the course of thousands of years, a couple thousand years.

1654
01:33:44.319 --> 01:33:47.359
No other document like that. Why. Because God wants us

1655
01:33:47.399 --> 01:33:49.359
to have it, He wants us to read it, he

1656
01:33:49.399 --> 01:33:52.319
wants us to live by it, because that's what brings

1657
01:33:52.359 --> 01:33:55.359
him honor and glory, and that's what enables us to

1658
01:33:55.399 --> 01:33:59.199
have that relationship with him. It's not our feelings that

1659
01:33:59.279 --> 01:34:01.439
g I'd like to have. God is my good buddy.

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Well that's not quite how it works.

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Well, let me ask you this, George. Do you know

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of a good buddy who is just and right? I mean,

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it's just real simple. I mean I don't know. I

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mean I've got some good buddies, I get some friends,

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and in the best of themselves, I don't want them

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executing justice. And I don't think they're always right, but God, consistently,

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to your point, is just and right. And by that definition,

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I'm not sure he would be in the buddy category

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just saying yeah.

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And that's the beauty of him, Bill, is that he's

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also forgiving and loving, and so we've got the chance

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to be our knucklehead selves and yet still have that

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relationship with him. It can be intimate, but that doesn't

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mean that it's so intimate that we throw out his rules.

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It's a relationship where at all times he remains in charge,

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and that offends our American sensibility these here. You know,

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we like to think no, no, no, no no. It's

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important for us to be in control because only we

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know what's right for us. Absolutely wrong, right, you know.

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I mean, the only one who always knows what's right

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for us is God. He's spelled it out for us.

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We simply need to accept it and live accordingly exactly.

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I mean, he didn't set this up to be some

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cosmic killjoy. It's so that it would go well with

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us and for us. Stay tuned. We've got to go

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Bill Martinez here and we're talking with doctor George Barna

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Arizona Christian University's Cultural Research Center and the author of

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Raising Spiritual Champions. The website, George, I mean that we're

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talking about here. I mean all these surveys and research

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that you've been doing. The website they can go to

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to study up themselves, because, as we often say, you

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need to own your own knowledge. I mean, we're reporting

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to you. It's up to you to discover for yourself

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and just not take our word for it.

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Right absolutely, So they could go to Cultural Research Center

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dot com, or they could go to my website Georgebarna

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dot com. Whatever is easier to remember, go there. All

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the stuff is free to download it, share it, study it.

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I mean, you know, it's important to think about these matters.

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If you don't think American Christians are getting it right,

1781
01:40:33.199 --> 01:40:36.279
good show them the way. That's what a disciple does

1782
01:40:36.399 --> 01:40:40.439
is we imitate Jesus and we serve as a model

1783
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for other people to see Christ through us, through how

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we believe, how we behave, and so we teach others

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through that modeling. And it's important that we do that.

1786
01:40:50.960 --> 01:40:53.479
We've got too few people doing it. So I hope

1787
01:40:53.479 --> 01:40:55.840
that everybody that's listening right now is going to say, Okay,

1788
01:40:56.279 --> 01:40:59.680
that's going to be my challenge for this Thanksgiving. Everybody

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that I encounter, I want them to be able to

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look at me and to see Jesus through the choices

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that I'm making, through the words coming out of my mouth,

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the relationships I'm building, the lifestyle that I'm manifesting that

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needs to reflect the Kingdom of God exactly.

1794
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Well, the opportunity here again, it starts with you. Okay,

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01:41:19.520 --> 01:41:22.000
before you can evangelize, you've got to be filled up

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with all the right things that come from God. Otherwise

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you're going to get your hat handed to you, and

1798
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then you're going to get discouraged and you're going to say, well,

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maybe I shouldn't really believe in this. No, don't be

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that seed that falls on rocky ground. You want to

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be that fertilized soil that here's the word of God

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01:41:40.880 --> 01:41:44.840
and produces you know, thirty sixty one hundredfold right.

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01:41:45.960 --> 01:41:48.439
Yeah, And you know, Bill, I mean personally, I've always

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01:41:48.439 --> 01:41:51.840
been an activist. In college, I was an activist. I

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came out of college. I was involved in politics, running

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01:41:54.439 --> 01:41:59.960
political campaigns, you know, serving writing policy papers, all kinds

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01:41:59.920 --> 01:42:03.960
of stuff meant to change the culture. And for years

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I was so discouraged because I kept waiting for the

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revolution that I knew we needed. And as I grew

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up and matured and accepted Christ and got into the faith,

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01:42:13.880 --> 01:42:16.680
I realized, yeah, it's ultimately a spiritual revolution, not a

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political revolution. But I was still so disappointed because the

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01:42:20.399 --> 01:42:24.119
revolution wasn't happening. People weren't flocking to Christ and living

1814
01:42:24.199 --> 01:42:27.560
his life. And finally, one day, you know, we got

1815
01:42:27.560 --> 01:42:29.840
out Maxwell's silver hammer and he banged me on the

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01:42:29.880 --> 01:42:34.199
head and said, ding ding, You know what, that revolution

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is one life at a time. Don't wait for the

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big silver bullet that somebody in Washington or Rome or

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wherever you know, Wheaton or Colorado Springs is going to

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fire and things are going to fall into line. It's

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one life at a time. Look at my son, I

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01:42:50.760 --> 01:42:52.760
sent him to Earth. It was one life at a time.

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He took thirteen yahoos and invested three years, three years

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01:42:58.039 --> 01:43:05.640
in these uneducated by worldly standards, unworthy individuals, until they

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got it. And George, you need to do the same thing.

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And I'm telling you Bill that that was such a

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turning point for me to recognize. Okay, a revolution is

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one one person at a time. And so that's what

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01:43:19.279 --> 01:43:21.640
each of us has to be thinking, is who's on

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my list of potential revolutionaries? And one in a time,

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01:43:25.640 --> 01:43:28.159
I got to be discipling them. I got to show them,

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01:43:28.479 --> 01:43:29.920
I got to live with them, I got to hold

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them accountable. I got to model it for them. We

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01:43:32.359 --> 01:43:34.960
got to talk about these things. I've got to invest

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01:43:35.079 --> 01:43:37.920
time in them. Why because that's how Jesus did it.

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01:43:38.000 --> 01:43:40.760
That's how it exactly, exactly and at the core of

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01:43:40.800 --> 01:43:44.680
all this, George, like you said, you experience the freedom

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01:43:44.720 --> 01:43:47.119
of God. I mean, how liberating you know, to get

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01:43:47.159 --> 01:43:49.199
to that point going, Oh, I get it. You don't

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01:43:49.239 --> 01:43:52.479
want me to carry the whole world, right, you know,

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01:43:52.720 --> 01:43:54.880
just you know, like they tell you when you get

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on the airplane, you know, these masks come down, put

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01:43:57.359 --> 01:44:00.479
the mask on yourself first before you go in, you know,

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01:44:00.560 --> 01:44:02.840
up the aisles and trying to help somebody else, tripping

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01:44:02.840 --> 01:44:05.479
over everybody else's mask. Take care of yourself first, and

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01:44:05.520 --> 01:44:07.960
then you can be of some sort of value here,

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01:44:08.640 --> 01:44:13.520
you know. I like what you know talking about representing

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01:44:13.560 --> 01:44:16.199
the gospel, Georgia. I like what Saint Francis of ASSISI

1849
01:44:16.279 --> 01:44:19.760
had to say, says, always preach the gospel and occasionally

1850
01:44:19.960 --> 01:44:21.239
use words, right.

1851
01:44:21.199 --> 01:44:23.760
Yeah, yeah, I love that. You'd have to. I know,

1852
01:44:23.880 --> 01:44:26.479
it's great. When I went there to a CECI in Italy,

1853
01:44:27.039 --> 01:44:30.319
it was just such a blowaway to read so many

1854
01:44:30.359 --> 01:44:32.840
of the things that he said. You know, because I

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01:44:32.880 --> 01:44:34.760
was familiar with him, I was attracted. That's why we

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01:44:34.800 --> 01:44:37.319
went to the place. But when you get there and

1857
01:44:37.880 --> 01:44:42.039
you feel that environment that he was in where he

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01:44:42.159 --> 01:44:44.680
spent a lot of time outside, you know, in the

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01:44:44.720 --> 01:44:49.800
garden with the birds, right God to speak to him. Yeah, yeah,

1860
01:44:49.880 --> 01:44:53.439
you know what, that's what's missing for me personally. I'm

1861
01:44:53.439 --> 01:44:57.199
so busy trying to do stuff for God that I forget. Yeah,

1862
01:44:57.279 --> 01:45:00.640
God doesn't really need me to do stuff. Just listen

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01:45:00.680 --> 01:45:02.680
to what he has to say and see where he

1864
01:45:02.720 --> 01:45:05.159
wants to send me, because I know he's got a

1865
01:45:05.199 --> 01:45:06.359
better plan than I've got.

1866
01:45:07.039 --> 01:45:11.199
Yeah, and as Jesus said, don't worry when you're asked

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01:45:12.199 --> 01:45:15.640
you know about God, I'll give you the words, right,

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01:45:15.960 --> 01:45:19.279
even when you're being persecuted. And again that's that trust.

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01:45:19.319 --> 01:45:23.159
But unless you really let go and allow that to happen,

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01:45:23.520 --> 01:45:27.279
you'll never experience it. Because meanwhile, I mean, what Jesus

1871
01:45:27.279 --> 01:45:30.239
did for us is in a sense, you know, we're

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01:45:30.279 --> 01:45:33.960
part of this new covenant. You know, our own our

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01:45:34.000 --> 01:45:38.279
own bodies are the tabernacle of Christ. I mean when

1874
01:45:38.319 --> 01:45:41.239
you think about it, I mean we're carrying Christ in

1875
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us if we allow, if we allow God to you know,

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01:45:45.560 --> 01:45:48.600
to be there in us, and and we get out

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01:45:48.600 --> 01:45:49.680
of God's way right.

1878
01:45:50.560 --> 01:45:54.279
Yeah, and and and part of that is taken the

1879
01:45:54.399 --> 01:45:57.800
time to know what we're about. You got to read,

1880
01:45:57.920 --> 01:46:00.720
you gotta I'm sorry, let me go back. One of

1881
01:46:00.760 --> 01:46:03.600
my concerns is that in America we've got this thing

1882
01:46:03.640 --> 01:46:07.920
about read the scriptures, and maybe because it's our work

1883
01:46:07.960 --> 01:46:10.920
at a university, but I think maybe we need to

1884
01:46:11.000 --> 01:46:13.800
twist that understanding a little bit and say, ah, don't

1885
01:46:13.840 --> 01:46:18.239
just read it. You can read your newspaper, study the scriptures,

1886
01:46:18.720 --> 01:46:21.840
you know, spend time reflecting on it. This isn't just

1887
01:46:21.920 --> 01:46:24.359
something to check off the to do list. It's like,

1888
01:46:24.600 --> 01:46:28.079
dive into it and connect the points. That's one of

1889
01:46:28.159 --> 01:46:30.039
the things that I discovered when we did all of

1890
01:46:30.039 --> 01:46:32.119
our worldview and we continue to do a lot of

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worldview research. But one of the reasons why people in

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our churches don't have a biblical worldview is that when

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we go to church, we hear some good biblical sermons

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sometimes and we sit there and we take notes. Okay,

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I got the main points, but what we're not doing,

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we found is connecting the dots, helping people to see

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how all these things fit together. So when I look

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at all the research we do, like this current study

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and this whole issue about Israel. It's really troubling me.

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That's so many of our fellow church goers, maybe fellow Christians,

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are not understanding how important God's chosen people are to

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his heart. And so in the survey, what we found

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is only six regular church goers said yeah, I think

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it's it's important for us to consistently pray for Israel,

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right percent. Less than that less than half said well,

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I think it's important for me to talk to other

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people about Israel, about who they are, about their history,

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about what they're going through, about their importance in the

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big scriptural picture. Why don't we do that? Because we

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don't know the big scriptural picture, and so we've got

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to get back to studying the scriptures. Where does Israel

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come up? Why does it matter to God? Why did

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he choose them? What's the difference? You know? Do we know,

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say Genesis twelve, you know where God talks about all

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blessed those who bless Israel. I want it on that

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you know exactly what do you do to bless Israel? Okay,

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you got to pray for him, you got to talk

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about them. You know. We found that only a third

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of regular churchgoers said yeah, I think it's important to

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invest my resources, my time, my money, other things that

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I have into supporting Israel. Most Christians not willing to

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do that. What are they willing to put their money into?

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New clothing, new cars, new houses, new vacations. All of

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these kinds of things rate higher on the scale than

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supporting God's chosen people. So it comes back to this

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issue of priorities. Do we really know God's word, do

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we prioritize his values or do we prioritize our values.

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So it's one of these things where when you start

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to study the scriptures, hopefully you begin to see the

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world a little bit differently in your priorities shift.

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Well, no doubt you will. And I can tell you

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that was my discovery, George, is that as I began

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to really make a commitment to the word of God,

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and what really grabbed a hold of me was Jesus

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himself saying, Hey, look at I don't live by bread

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of man. I live by every word that comes from

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the mouth of God. And I'm going this is Jesus

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saying this. And then as I continue on that journey

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and the Spirit is leading me and opening up my

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mind and awareness of what's going on. It was like,

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kind of what you're saying here right now, and that

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is that you have to be committed to studying, to

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you know, chewing meditating on the word of God. And

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we do that because it blesses us in so many ways.

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But it also what it does it serves as a

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guard rail to tell us when things come up that

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are inconsistent, that do not validate scripture, that are in

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conflict with scripture. The more you're aware of what scripture says,

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that stuff is glaring screaming at you, right. I mean,

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like some of the things we're touching on right now,

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Like so socialism, it's like, well, that is like a

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screaming siren. But if you're very casual about scripture, oh yeah,

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that kind of feels okay.

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And related to that, you know, I've been sitting here

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looking at all of this data and saying, so, why

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don't people read the scriptures? And you know, part of

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it is that they don't think it's true, they don't

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think it's reliable, they don't think it's relevant, they don't

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understand that it's meant by God to be our guide

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for making moral choices. It's all in there if we'll

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simply take the time to read it and study it

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and embrace it. And so I look at this this

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research report that I put together, and you know it

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talks about how people are confused about abortion. Why because

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we have a majority who say the Bible is neither

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clear nor decisive in what it teaches about abortion. They

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a majority say it's not clear and decisive what it

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says about homosexuality, A majority of telling us it's not

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clear and decisive. That's the phrase that we looked at

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in terms of teaching us about transgenderism. It's not clear

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and decisive when it looks at issues like ethan asia WHOA.

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It's only clear, unclear, and indecisive if you don't read

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it and if you don't trust it. So you know,

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when you say to God, God, I'm going to take

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a chance, I'm going to step out here on the plank.

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I'm going to go to the edge of the plank,

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and I'm going to say, God, I'm trusting you. Now.

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Now fill my mind with your truth. Give him that shot.

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Because I don't know about your journey, but that that's

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literally what I did. When I was a gradual. I

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was trying to figure out, is this Jesus guy for real?

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And so I told the pastor who was telling oh, yeah,

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is going to trust him. It's like, okay, I'm giving

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him a month. You think he can pull that off?

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And the pastor, you know, swallowed hard, but you know, so, yeah, okay.

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And so within a couple of weeks after saying to God, God,

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you just take me.

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Take me.

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If you're there, if you're real, if this stuff that's

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in this book that this church just gave me, if

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this is real stuff, make it come alive in my mind,

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my heart, and my life. And within two weeks my

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wife and I were like, we were giddy. It's like,

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oh my gosh, I can't believe this.

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Is all real. Why didn't we know this earlier.

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We're in our mid twenties. Look how much time we wasted,

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you know exactly. But that's what America is doing. We're

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wasting our time pursuing stuff that's meaningless when we've got

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life being handed to us by the one who created it. Amen.

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He's the director of research at Arizona Christian University's Cultural

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Research Center, the author of Raising Spiritual Champions. Doctor George

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as we wrap things up remind everybody where they can

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go to study for themselves and to show themselves approved,

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not just for the approval process, but for their own

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joy and happiness.

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Right. You know what, that was a trick question. You

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were thinking I was going to get my website, But

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I'm going to say. The answer is the Bible.

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Right still the number one selling book on the planet.

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Right. Oh, man, I wish i'd written that, but it

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wouldn't have been number one if I did, wouldn't have

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had his power, his truth. But yeah, yeah, I mean,

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read the Bible. If you want to make a new

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year's resolution early, make it that you are going to

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not just read the Bible. You are going to study

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the Bible for the coming year. And it doesn't matter

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if you get from the beginning to the very end

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within three hundred and sixty five days. Just dive into

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his words, stay there, stay underwater for a year, okay,

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and you'll come up breathing better.

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Exactly, And it's okay. You can ask that same question

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of God. You know that God would be real to you, right.

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Absolutely, He's waiting for us to ask it, And the

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problem is that not enough are asking it. We think, Okay,

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I'm pretty smart you know, I got multiple degrees. I'll

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figure this out. Satan's block and the connection there. I

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mean God to overwhelm that and say, okay, George focus.

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Yes, amen, doctor George Barnet, thank you, my friend amb

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