March 12, 2026

The Bill Martinez Show 03 12 26

The Bill Martinez Show 03 12 26
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The Bill Martinez Show 03 12 26
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Are you ready?

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Yeah, okay, let's do an Ill Martinez Live a program

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about current events, our culture, our values, our politics, and

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our future.

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And now Bill Martinez. It is six minutes after the

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top of they are right now. Glad you could join us.

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I'm Bill Martinez. He's Mike O'Neal, the Assistant General counsel

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at Landmark League. O Hey, Mike, how you doing.

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I'm a good Bill. Good to be with you.

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Always good to get caught up on everything that's happening

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in our world. First of all, let's go to Iran.

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The way this is being executed, I know, I mean,

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it's amazing what has happened in such a short period

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of time, what Trump and the Department of War have

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been able to accomplish. And the Democrats, you know, they're

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still doing everything they can to stick spokes in the

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in the bicycles of our warriors and everybody else that is,

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you know, praying for our military that this would be

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handled in an expeditious manner. But you know, the Democrats

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are just looking bad all over, and I think the

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American people are seeing them for what they're.

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Worth, certainly. And you it's funny, you always get these

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little anecdotes and these silly I mean not these stilly,

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these these stories that come out the left was upset

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about money being spent for food and two million or

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twenty two million dollars allocated for steak and lobster, and

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that just shows how stupid and ignorant the left and

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Democrats are in general. Don't they understand that the military,

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before they're going to go engage in combat operations, we're

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talking an enormously massive combat operation where that's going on,

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everybody gets fed. I'm not a military guy, but I

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know that before you get deployed for combat operations, you

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enjoy a good meal. And really so, of course, if

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you want to have lobster at steak before you have

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to go execute weeks and weeks of combat operations on

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an aircraft carr, I think that's the least you could

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do for our men and women serving in the military.

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But of course they always lead with their chins. They

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they demonstrate their their idiocy and their their ignorance at

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every at every turn. And that's just that's just kind

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of of an anecdotal evidence of how silly and unseious

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these people really are.

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You know, you almost wonder how many of these elected

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democrats have served in the military, I mean already at

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large in the universe greater universe, in a less than

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one percent actually serve in the military, much less are

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in a combat zone, so it's out of their realm

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of consideration.

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But my take always is demonstrate humility in the face

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of ignorance. If you don't know how things work in

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a given industry or a world, then don't pontificate on it,

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right Just step back and say, these are the professionals.

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They're doing their job, I mean from I mean, I'm

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not saying you're you know, they're above the military and

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the defense of the Department of War, and the elected

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officials aren't above criticism or examination. But if you don't

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know anything, just demonstrate some humility, step back and just

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keep your mouth shut for a little while, exactly, you know,

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unless and don't undermine the brave men women who are

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serving in this area of the world beyond beyond anything

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anybody can reasonably imagine. Can you I read an interesting

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X post the other day and it was can you

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imagine you're nineteen too? Or it was actually I think

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it was the Chairman Kane or General Kane or Admiral Kine,

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whomever it is, was the people on the aircraft carrier,

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and it was a really amazing speech. He was trying.

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Yeah, Yeah, it was a great Yeah, I loved it.

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Yeah, the guys on the these twenty year old's wearing

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the yellow shirts on the decks of the aircraft carriers,

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who are operating in the most insanely hostile Can you

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imagine being on a deck of an aircraft carrier and

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having to deal with that, and you're twenty years old

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and you're launching F thirty fives or F eighteen's or

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whatever you're doing. It's it's beyond anything I can imagine

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as some guy just sitting here in front of a computer.

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So operate with some humility, respect the people, the men

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and women in our armed forces, and understand the enormity

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of the task that they're undertaking.

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Well at rit large. Anyway, consider that the Democrats have

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a terrible track record when it comes to, you know,

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conducting a war, you know, in the recent decades, certainly,

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I mean they're they're lousy at it. So it's like,

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you know, you got to take them with a grain

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of salt. I mean, even their you know, their outrage

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over the you know, war powers hypocrisy. As Jonathan Turley said,

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I mean it's like they exposed their skirts, and you know,

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their hypocrisy was so blatant and obvious. I mean, I

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guess they think that they haven't quite caught up with

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the idea that uh, you know, Google exists and AI exists,

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and people can do the research and and look back

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in history and see their modern representatives, you know, executing

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a war, a war plan without you know, congressional approval,

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and even Nancy Pelosi and all the other Democrat leadership,

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you know, chiming in saying why is that a problem?

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Right, yeah, certainly, and going back into it declaring war.

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That's the power of Congress. And we've talked about before

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if Congress has a role here to play, power of

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the person impeachment, if they want to funding, and I

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mean they do need to act. They you need a fund.

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They do need to fund uh, the the air, the

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air the I'm talking air marshals. They need to make

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sure that the infrastructure DHS bills are three air traffic

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right all that.

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I mean, these guys, they are losing, these people and

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it looks look how long it takes to retrain them.

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I mean, and you can't blame these guys. I mean,

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look at they got to make a living and to

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be involved with a management team that's turkey jerking them around.

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And you know, one day they got a job and

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they're you know, they're able to put food on the table,

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and the next day they're out for you know, a

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couple of weeks and god only knows what, just because

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they're political pawns.

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Yeah, yeah, I would want to. I want to see

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Congress exercising its core functions and that's the power of

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the purse and passing corporations bills to ensure that our

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government is fully funded, particularly when we're facing threats from

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possible sleeper cells on.

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Top of it. Exactly, Yeah, how many incidents we've had

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two or three now, right?

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Yeah? Absolutely at least. So so let's let's let's we

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could spend a lot of time talking about the frustrations

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with Congress right now, but certainly certainly perform your your

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core Article one function and start appropriating money where it's

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necessary in this time of open hostilities with a foreign adversary.

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So get to work.

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Yeah, I mean, look at, uh, they're going they're going

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after DHS. It's already funded anyway, So all you're doing is,

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you know, crippling these other agencies. Uh, you know, everyday

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citizens are out there doing doing their job. And of course,

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as you said, right now, when the alert level is

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raised because of what's going on in Iran and you've

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got rogue people already, you know. Yeah, there's one situation

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where the guy you know said, hey, he was in

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support of the Ayatola. Well, hello, how much more? I mean,

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you know, come on, you read the tea leaves here.

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This isn't this isn't a genius work.

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Right, absolutely, I mean, and we'll see how it plays

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out politically for it. But again, I think a couple

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of things, uh, you know, for going into I guess

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we're not right now. We're still in March, so a

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lot of things can happen between now and midterm elections.

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But I think it's going to be driven by economy

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and the success of this operation in Iran. So if

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if they, if they, and the passage of the Save Act.

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You know, I think there's gonna be a lot of

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things that motivate people to vote. And you know, obviously

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the left isn't doing themselves any favors. But the Republicans

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and elected office in Congress aren't doing themselves any favors

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as well.

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No exactly. I mean it's just like we're it's we're

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dealing with Obamacare, you know, all over again. Oh, we're

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gonna repeal and replace it, and then nothing happens. I mean,

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you can't just blame you know, John McCain. There were

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other votes that were missing too, but that it came

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down to that one. You know, that's like in a

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baseball game. You know, a game is lost because of

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one era, but then you know how many other hits

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didn't you get and other things that happened in the

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previous seasons. It just came down to that one play

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that made the difference. Unfortunately, but that's the way it

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plays out. But again, they're so frustrating here. You're exactly right.

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The Republicans have got to find a backbone. They've got

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to go out and start, you know, just like the

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Department of War, you know, with a change of the name,

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the ethos got refocused. And what are they into. They're

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into breaking stuff, They're into doing damage. They're into killing people,

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people that were threatening to kill us. People who have

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killed us. All right, so now you know they're well focused. Unfortunately,

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Congress is not as focused and they need to be.

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And there's no wonder. You know, you've got the likes

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of RN Paul saying, you know, he's nervous about the midterms.

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He thinks they're going to lose control of possibly both

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the Senate and the House. Can you imagine if we

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allow the Democrats to come in and regain power in

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any form or fashion after the big mess they left

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us with with Joe Biden.

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I've come to the conclusion that I think that there's

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certain Republicans, and I reluctantly arrive at this conclusion that

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there's certain Republicans that actually want this, because if you're

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a member, if you're three or four of these Republicans

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in the Senate who are reportedly holding up in act

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a legitimate vote on the Save America Act. Again, this

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is the Election Integrity Act that we've talked about, that

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I'll ensure that there's some base levels of security in

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our electoral process. Now as it's reported that they're.

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Jay what, Mike, let's go to break, because I want

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to have some concentrated time to talk about the say back.

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We got more from Mike O'Neil after this, stay with us.

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We're back by your Bill Martinez here with mic O'Neil,

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the assistant General counsel at Landmark Legal. H Mike, Yes,

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let's talk about the say backed. I mean, this has

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been one of those balls that's been kicking around back

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and forth, like wait a minute, you need to get

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this beyond I don't care. And of course this is me.

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John Tune is very sensitive about, you know, talking about

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the filibuster. But you know I'm about results, right Get

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me the results, and the people want the results. They

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don't care about all the politicking and the inside small

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ball of the Senate and Congress. They don't care about that.

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They want to have fair and safe and secure elections

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right on.

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This is this pulls off the charts, but at any

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stretch of the imagination, and you know you hear these things.

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I think I think the Senate Majority Leader Thune said

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something about this being an issue of podcast influencers that

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are pushing this. I think that's something. He used something

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of that term. And how divorce, how divorced are you

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from your constituency right exactly? How how how blind are

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you to this? Somebody needs to just say, look, wake up, man,

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for heaven's sake, this is an issue of incredible importance.

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And the President talks about this. He's out there meeting

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you see the videos of him. He's out at restaurants,

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he's meeting with this constituencies. He's talking to people, and

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he says repeatedly that one of the top issues that

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comes before him when people are talking to him, regular

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citizens like you and me are talking about it, and

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that's election security. We know that this is an important

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issue to the base, the individuals who put these Republicans

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into office. No election security is one of their top issues.

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And for Republicans and Capitol Hill and the Senate Majority

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Leader to somehow say that this is dismiss it as

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an influencer podcast influencer issue is beyond the pale. Wake up,

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for heaven's sakes, you are going to be consign yourself

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to permanent minority status if you don't take action and

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put this to a vote. And when you talk about

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the machinations of Congress, look they worry about the filibuster

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and the talking filibuster. Look, it is clear that if

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all you have to do is subject this piece of

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legislation to a traditional filibuster, make the Democrats come out

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and talk about it and spend devote hours, weeks, year,

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whatever it takes days, hours, weeks to express their displeasure

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of it. Make them engage in a traditional filibuster and

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then hold thee on it simple majority, or in the alternative,

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attach it to a reconciliation package where you can attach

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it to it if you want to use that procedural machination.

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It's fair enough attached to a reconciliation package where you

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can have a simple majority. But look to come back

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and continue to say that you need sixty votes to

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get the Save Act and that it's phil and that

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you were not going to use the philibus. The traditional

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filibuster methodology is just absurd for an issue of eighty

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four percent of Americans believe is necessary and that the

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president of the United States is talking about it every

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single opportunity. When he's not talking about the worthy really

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is when he's talking about any domestic legislation. He's talking

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about the Save America Act. Do this now, or you

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will regret it for generations to come.

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Mike, look at what has been invested for safe and

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secure elections January sixth. How many people went to jail

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and were treated so unconstitutionally, put in solitary confinement. You know,

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you've got what two people that died, died generaly hard lawyer.

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You know, any lawyer who was within one hundred feet

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of that class has faced bar complaints, disbarnment, disciplinary proceedings,

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criminal procedures, everything.

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It all is related to an election that was fraudulent.

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And I don't care what people want to say, you know,

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because they'll say, oh, you know, they'll ask me, well,

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you don't believe that the twenty twenty election was safing.

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Heck no, I mean, look at all the evidence that's

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coming out. It's you know, the courts, everybody. The January

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sixth Committee did everything they could to put a shroud

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around what happened in the twenty twenty. They talked about everything,

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but this issue of securing the election and the people.

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This is an eighty percent issue clearly, whether you're Republican, Democrat, independent,

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they're saying, hey, square this away and look look at

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the evidence of these countries that ran into situations where

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they're voting, their elections were compromised. People stopped voting, they said,

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my vote doesn't care, I don't want to participate. As

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soon as they secured the election, guess what, you know,

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every everything went up. People participated because they said, you

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know what, now I believe my vote counts. And this

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is what happens. The Democratic Party is not interested. They

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say they're interested, but they're not interested in counting your vote.

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They want to count their votes. That's what they want

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to count.

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As you just said, I mean, you demonstrated the passion

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of the base in this. This is an issue that

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resonates with every with with so many people who are

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integral and putting in putting Donald Trump into office, putting

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the Republicans into office, and for you to just and

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for elected officials in DC to just dismiss that and say, oh,

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well we tried or we've done this, and not to

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actually demonstrate and put their full force of their power.

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What are you? What purpose do you serve in Washington,

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d C? But to enact legislation that your constituents put

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you in power to do. It's simple. This is not

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this is it's and again, this is why I'm left

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with the only conclusion I can assume at this I

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can draw from this is you're dismissive of the passion

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at the base, the importance of it. The way this

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is pulling the win from a political standpoint is you

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want to lose?

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Do you just?

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I think that there are certain people in Washington who

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are so enamored with the Beltway culture and the Beltway

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lifestyle that they are that they're happy with being a

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permanent minority. If if you're in the permanent minority, you're

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not accountable to anybody. You don't have to do anything.

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You can scream and yell about what the opposition party

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is doing, but you really don't have to have results.

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And you can say, well, it wasn't my fault because

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I'm not in the majority. I'm not in the majority,

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And then you can continue to live the privileged life

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you live inside.

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That and say I was a former congressman and get

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a free dinner at the local restaurants or whatever you know.

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And the thing is is that, look at Mike, how

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many how many congress people are not running for reelection?

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I think it's over fifty. Yeah, I mean what does

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that tell you?

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Yeah? Yeah, frustration? And and what also, it's just I

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think that they also the result of this, or an

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effect of this not getting a legit vote in the

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Save Act not getting it through, will be the amount

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of people who have lost faith in the Republican Party

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and just don't And you said it before, who just don't?

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What's the purpose of me voting?

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Now?

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Why do I want to vote for? Why do I

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want to vote for a party that can't do something

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that eighty five percent of us think they should do that?

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And it's not like it's not controversial.

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This is absurd.

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It's not having a federal requirement that you show identification

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to vote in a federal election is the most basic

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piece of requirement. How is that controversial? This isn't some

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hot button issue that's fifty to fifty that we're all

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split on as a country, nition divide it. It's nonsense.

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It's absolutely mind boggling when you get into the nut,

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when you get into the weeds in this and actually

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really process it. How absurd it is that this legislation

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hasn't already been acting. You made the other point. Final,

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I'll just make one last point. We're the old country

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in the world that does this. Every other representative democracy

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or republic in the in the world has identification to vote,

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and we're the only ones who don't work better than them.

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Come on right, exactly, And some of these other countries

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are figuring out these election machines are worthless and they're

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throwing them over there, you know, and kicking them to

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the curb. I mean, because they are. They are door

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openers to corruption and fraud. I mean, that's been proven

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time and time again. I don't care what anybody says,

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but look at we We the people have to take charge,

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you know. And I've been saying this for quite a while.

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Forget about being a Democrat or Republican. This isn't a

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party thing. This is about are you four or against America.

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If you're for America, we need to do those things

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that make sense and force our elected officials to do that.

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You need to slam the phones, you need to send emails,

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you need to you know, just It doesn't take a

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whole lot of time, maybe even just five minutes a day,

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make a quick phone call, and all you got to

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do is say.

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That respectfully, Yeah, respectfully, respectfully approach and yeah peacefully respectfully. Uh,

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you know, encourage your elected representatives. And let's make we're

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sophisticated enough to make distinctions here. The House and the

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House aren't the bad actors in this case. The House

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of Representatives have done what they have done that they

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passed already, Yeah, exactly, and they've passed a lot of

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good legislation, so they're not the bad actors here. But again,

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you know, the Senate with their procedural rules, and I

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understand the constitutional rule that the Senate plays here, but

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this isn't one of those times where the Congress needs

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to get into some per and even if they do,

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this isn't this isn't something This is something that the

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overwhelming majority of us agree on that there is no

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reasonable argument against it. So if you want to have

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a debate about it, okay, have a debate about it.

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Let let the Democrats come out and say why they're

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against identification when you go vote. Let's let's let them

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stand in the world Senate and say, oh, explain to

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the American people why you're against these these common sense measures,

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and and let the chips fall where they may, and

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then hold a vote on it by simple majority. Let

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the let the Democrats filibuster as long as they want,

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let them hold up whatever they want to hold up,

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and let the weeks go by, and let the public

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cacophony build, and then hold a vote.

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Just do it.

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If they've done it two weeks ago, we'd already been

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into we'd already have two weeks of what have they done?

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You know, if they started this two or three weeks ago,

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they would have been doing the two or three week

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having this legislation passed. Every day that goes.

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Back exactly, Dave, Well, they're running the clock because the

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midterms are coming up, and they don't want anything to change.

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They want to stay the same, and they're going to

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drag their heels no matter what. But like we said, Mike,

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and I agree with you. We the people get on

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Hey, welcome back to America. No Martinez here with the doctor

546
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George Barna, the infamous, the one and only, to talk

547
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about his latest study that is finding the churchgoers are

548
00:27:31.279 --> 00:27:36.319
tipping towards socialism and away from scripture. Are you shocked

549
00:27:36.359 --> 00:27:37.000
and surprised?

550
00:27:38.640 --> 00:27:39.480
I'm not personally.

551
00:27:39.559 --> 00:27:41.440
I mean, it's a continuation of a trend, and I've

552
00:27:41.440 --> 00:27:44.880
been tracking for forty years. This is just the latest

553
00:27:44.880 --> 00:27:48.759
iteration of it. But yeah, I mean, nevertheless, I'm the

554
00:27:48.839 --> 00:27:51.720
reason I keep tracking it is that I'm hopeful that

555
00:27:51.799 --> 00:27:54.400
at some point Christian leaders will hear some of this

556
00:27:55.200 --> 00:27:57.200
and they'll say, oh my gosh, that's not the way

557
00:27:57.240 --> 00:28:00.200
it's supposed to be. We better do something about it, right,

558
00:28:00.640 --> 00:28:01.839
Let's do something about it.

559
00:28:02.279 --> 00:28:05.079
Well, it's almost like, you know, it's one thing for leaders,

560
00:28:05.079 --> 00:28:08.799
but the other thing is the people themselves to say, oh,

561
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you know what, I'm going to forget about the stove

562
00:28:11.559 --> 00:28:14.079
being hot. I'm going to go ahead and put my

563
00:28:14.160 --> 00:28:16.759
hand on a hot stove. Once again. I'm going to

564
00:28:16.799 --> 00:28:18.400
go and you and I talked about this as well.

565
00:28:18.440 --> 00:28:20.400
I'm going to go ahead and defy gravity because I

566
00:28:20.400 --> 00:28:25.480
don't think God exists. Okay, And after you have enough

567
00:28:25.480 --> 00:28:28.400
carnage and people are tired of being stupid and injured,

568
00:28:28.640 --> 00:28:32.359
they finally say, oh, maybe we ought to rethink these theories, right,

569
00:28:32.400 --> 00:28:36.160
because you know, again we're reminded one of the wisest

570
00:28:36.200 --> 00:28:40.119
men we're told, Solomon himself, said there's nothing new under

571
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the sun. And so here we are. We're in this

572
00:28:43.519 --> 00:28:48.880
human disease factory that just keeps on repeating all this silliness,

573
00:28:48.920 --> 00:28:52.559
thinking that somehow there's going to be a pony under

574
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all that manure that's stocked up for us.

575
00:28:55.720 --> 00:28:59.559
Well, yeah, and so part of what this study did

576
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we did in conjunction with Family Research Council, because they're

577
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working with thousands of churches and millions of individual Christians

578
00:29:07.680 --> 00:29:12.799
who are conservative in terms of their political persuasion and

579
00:29:12.839 --> 00:29:16.839
they want to see the country return to its biblical roots. Great,

580
00:29:17.400 --> 00:29:20.920
but then we do this kind of research with church

581
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to people, and that's what this study was. Among people

582
00:29:23.680 --> 00:29:28.920
who consistently go to church Christian churches, and we find that, wow,

583
00:29:28.960 --> 00:29:33.839
their worldview is so far off the mark, even though

584
00:29:34.240 --> 00:29:39.559
they're attending conservative churches. They're conservative politically. You know, We've

585
00:29:39.559 --> 00:29:42.519
got a third of them who say they prefer socialism

586
00:29:42.599 --> 00:29:46.680
to capitalism. You've got another quarter of them who say, well, gee,

587
00:29:46.720 --> 00:29:49.799
I don't know which one would be better really, you know,

588
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And then you look at their worldview, you look at

589
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their views about success and purpose and salvation and truth

590
00:29:57.440 --> 00:30:02.000
and the Bible and so forth, and it's minorities of

591
00:30:02.039 --> 00:30:04.920
these people. These are our best and our brightest, so

592
00:30:05.039 --> 00:30:08.440
to speak. When we like the church world, they don't

593
00:30:08.440 --> 00:30:11.039
get it. They don't have a biblical worldview. You know,

594
00:30:11.079 --> 00:30:14.839
only eleven percent have a biblical worldview. So yeah, I mean,

595
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we've got to rethink the entire approach that we're taking

596
00:30:19.440 --> 00:30:22.720
in ministry because it's that whole definition of insanity. Keep

597
00:30:22.759 --> 00:30:25.559
doing the same thing over and over and think, oh, yeah,

598
00:30:25.720 --> 00:30:29.920
tomorrow they'll have a biblical worldview. Tomorrow they'll understand that

599
00:30:30.039 --> 00:30:33.359
socialism kills the culture, you know. No, I mean we've

600
00:30:33.400 --> 00:30:35.640
got to be much more direct and take a whole

601
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different approach.

602
00:30:37.200 --> 00:30:38.440
Jesus gave us the approach.

603
00:30:38.480 --> 00:30:43.160
It's called discipleship, and you know, we're simply not practicing it.

604
00:30:43.200 --> 00:30:46.440
We think programs and big events are the way to.

605
00:30:46.400 --> 00:30:49.079
Go exactly well. And the thing is, I think it's

606
00:30:49.119 --> 00:30:52.319
interesting that we're talking about this topic, not only because

607
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of what happened in New York, but also that here

608
00:30:55.200 --> 00:30:58.839
we are on the eve of Thanksgiving, and we've got

609
00:30:58.920 --> 00:31:04.359
Thanksgiving week coming upon us here, which I love. And

610
00:31:03.240 --> 00:31:08.200
look what happened with the Pilgrims. They experimented with socialism.

611
00:31:08.680 --> 00:31:12.119
And I think it was quite ironic because here the Pilgrims,

612
00:31:13.039 --> 00:31:17.359
you know, were enscunched. I mean they had bathed themselves

613
00:31:17.400 --> 00:31:21.400
in scripture, in prayer and fasting, you know, seeking God

614
00:31:21.440 --> 00:31:23.960
for some twelve years. Fight let us have a place

615
00:31:24.000 --> 00:31:26.920
where we could worship you freely, right, And so they

616
00:31:26.960 --> 00:31:32.160
come to America and they land up end up by accident.

617
00:31:32.200 --> 00:31:40.599
It wasn't their main target in Massachusetts, and they experiment

618
00:31:40.720 --> 00:31:46.599
with socialism, and after two years they go, this ain't working,

619
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and they learned the hard way that socialism. Fortunately they

620
00:31:51.440 --> 00:31:54.599
didn't have to do what other socialists did and murdering

621
00:31:54.640 --> 00:31:56.799
a bunch of people. Because that's the other thing, because

622
00:31:56.799 --> 00:31:58.680
even in the modern era. In the last one hundred years,

623
00:31:59.519 --> 00:32:03.480
socialis or any of the isms communism, and you know,

624
00:32:03.759 --> 00:32:06.799
the founders of communism said, look at socialism is just

625
00:32:06.880 --> 00:32:10.680
a nano's breath away from communism. So you just call

626
00:32:10.720 --> 00:32:14.000
it what it is, but responsible George for killing over

627
00:32:14.200 --> 00:32:18.000
one hundred million people. Oh so that sounds great, let's

628
00:32:18.000 --> 00:32:18.279
do that.

629
00:32:18.480 --> 00:32:20.440
Huh.

630
00:32:20.480 --> 00:32:23.359
And you look at all of that and you recognize okay,

631
00:32:23.400 --> 00:32:26.480
So where does socialism come from? What's it? What's its

632
00:32:26.599 --> 00:32:29.960
body of philosophy drawn from? Well, it's drawn basically from

633
00:32:30.039 --> 00:32:34.680
marx So it's essentially Marxism. And what are the key tenets?

634
00:32:34.720 --> 00:32:38.759
And Marxism all the things that our forefathers came here

635
00:32:38.799 --> 00:32:41.440
to get away from the idea that there's no God,

636
00:32:41.519 --> 00:32:43.559
that the Bible is not true, that there is no

637
00:32:43.680 --> 00:32:48.599
absolute moral truth. You know, that it's the elites who

638
00:32:48.640 --> 00:32:51.680
know what's best for you, and so we should have

639
00:32:51.799 --> 00:32:54.200
no power. They should have it all because they'll make

640
00:32:54.240 --> 00:32:57.359
better decisions for us. You know, all of that proven

641
00:32:57.359 --> 00:32:57.680
to be.

642
00:32:57.759 --> 00:33:01.440
False, and yet they still tinker with it when they

643
00:33:01.480 --> 00:33:01.839
get here.

644
00:33:01.960 --> 00:33:05.640
It's remarkable. Thankfully they didn't take as long as a

645
00:33:05.680 --> 00:33:08.240
lot of other people in America today seem to be

646
00:33:08.319 --> 00:33:11.480
taking to figure this out. But yeah, I mean, we've

647
00:33:11.519 --> 00:33:15.119
got to open our eyes and recognize there is a God.

648
00:33:15.519 --> 00:33:16.599
He is truth.

649
00:33:16.920 --> 00:33:19.680
He gave us truth in his word. He wants the

650
00:33:19.720 --> 00:33:23.599
best for you, and that's why he talks about how

651
00:33:23.720 --> 00:33:27.880
all of these things need to work, including his chosen people.

652
00:33:27.920 --> 00:33:32.079
In the survey, we looked at perceptions about, and beliefs about,

653
00:33:32.160 --> 00:33:37.920
and interest in Israel, and we're finding that church going Americans,

654
00:33:38.000 --> 00:33:43.160
born again Christians in America feel no responsibility whatsoever. Most

655
00:33:43.200 --> 00:33:45.519
of them, not all of them, but most of them

656
00:33:45.920 --> 00:33:48.319
would say they have no responsibility Israel.

657
00:33:48.599 --> 00:33:52.319
We are the new Israel. We are the spiritual Church.

658
00:33:52.440 --> 00:33:52.960
They are not.

659
00:33:53.559 --> 00:33:57.839
You know, they gave that what but you know, it's

660
00:33:57.880 --> 00:33:59.480
like what scriptures are you reading?

661
00:33:59.559 --> 00:34:01.720
So exactly, really.

662
00:34:01.480 --> 00:34:06.759
Need a rejiggering of the whole puzzle here so that

663
00:34:06.839 --> 00:34:09.239
we put it together the way that God wants it

664
00:34:09.280 --> 00:34:09.840
put together.

665
00:34:10.320 --> 00:34:13.039
Well, until we reconnect with God himself. See this is

666
00:34:13.079 --> 00:34:15.519
the deal beginning. Wisdom starts with God. You have no

667
00:34:15.599 --> 00:34:18.440
relationship with God, you just kind of render yourself stupid, right,

668
00:34:18.760 --> 00:34:21.400
I mean history has demonstrated that time and time again.

669
00:34:21.559 --> 00:34:25.360
All right, as sure as if you defy gravity, you're

670
00:34:25.360 --> 00:34:28.559
going to hit the ground. You know, it's the same thing.

671
00:34:29.440 --> 00:34:32.159
It's just built into the cake. God is the source

672
00:34:32.159 --> 00:34:34.760
of all wisdom. You think you know better than God,

673
00:34:34.800 --> 00:34:36.440
will then listen to him. Chuckle.

674
00:34:38.039 --> 00:34:40.880
And keep in mind too that when we look at this,

675
00:34:41.119 --> 00:34:44.840
so many people in our churches have thought that because

676
00:34:44.920 --> 00:34:48.559
we're told we can have a relationship with God, that

677
00:34:48.880 --> 00:34:51.920
it becomes a good buddy relationship. Yeah, God's my good buddy.

678
00:34:52.000 --> 00:34:57.480
He understands. No, he understands. But he's not just going

679
00:34:57.519 --> 00:34:59.679
to let you go anywhere and do anything and think

680
00:34:59.719 --> 00:35:03.440
any thing, believe anything, which is what the church is becoming.

681
00:35:03.920 --> 00:35:08.400
We're now moving toward that phase where it's all about emotions.

682
00:35:08.719 --> 00:35:11.320
Oh I love God, I feel God, you know, but

683
00:35:11.440 --> 00:35:14.159
I also feel like having an affair with that woman

684
00:35:14.159 --> 00:35:16.480
because man, is she beautiful. But God made that beauty.

685
00:35:16.719 --> 00:35:20.519
He'll understand, you know, He'll cut me a break here. No,

686
00:35:20.679 --> 00:35:22.880
that's not the way it works. He gave us very

687
00:35:22.920 --> 00:35:26.480
specific guidelines by which to live, which is why the

688
00:35:26.519 --> 00:35:31.159
Bible alone, among all the books in history, has persisted

689
00:35:31.400 --> 00:35:35.159
accurately over the course of thousands of years a couple

690
00:35:35.239 --> 00:35:39.039
thousand years. No other document like that why, Because God

691
00:35:39.119 --> 00:35:41.480
wants us to have it, he wants us to read it,

692
00:35:41.519 --> 00:35:44.159
he wants us to live by it, because that's what

693
00:35:44.239 --> 00:35:47.440
brings him honor and glory, and that's what enables us

694
00:35:47.480 --> 00:35:51.719
to have that relationship with him. It's not our feelings that, Gee,

695
00:35:51.760 --> 00:35:54.440
I'd like to have God is my good buddy. Well,

696
00:35:54.599 --> 00:35:56.039
that's not quite how it works.

697
00:35:56.559 --> 00:35:58.519
Well, let me ask you this, George. Do you know

698
00:35:58.559 --> 00:36:01.840
of a good buddy who is just and right? I mean,

699
00:36:01.960 --> 00:36:04.320
it's just real simple. I mean I don't know. I mean,

700
00:36:04.360 --> 00:36:06.920
I've got some good buddies. I got some friends, and

701
00:36:06.960 --> 00:36:11.440
in the best of themselves, I don't want them executing justice,

702
00:36:11.920 --> 00:36:16.239
and I don't think they're always right. But God, consistently,

703
00:36:16.280 --> 00:36:20.920
to your point, is just and right. And by that definition,

704
00:36:21.880 --> 00:36:24.519
I'm not sure he would be in the buddy category

705
00:36:24.800 --> 00:36:25.800
just saying yeah.

706
00:36:26.119 --> 00:36:29.199
And that's the beauty of him, Bill, is that he's

707
00:36:29.239 --> 00:36:33.039
also forgiving and loving, and so we've got the chance

708
00:36:33.079 --> 00:36:37.280
to be our knucklehead selves and yet still have that

709
00:36:37.559 --> 00:36:40.960
relationship with him. It can be intimate, but that doesn't

710
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mean that it's so intimate that we throw out his rules.

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It's a relationship where at all times he remains in charge,

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and that offends our American sensibilities here. You know, we

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like to think no, no, no, no no. It's important

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for us to be in control because only we know

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what's right for us. Absolutely wrong, right, you know. I mean,

716
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the only one who always knows what's right for us

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is God. He's spelled it out for us. We simply

718
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need to accept it and live accordingly exactly.

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I mean, he didn't set this up to be some

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cosmic killjoy. It's so that it would go well with

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us and for us. Stay tuned. We've got to go

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Bill Martinez here and we're talking with doctor George Barna

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Arizona Christian University's Cultural Research Center and the author of

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Raising Spiritual Champions. The website, George, I mean that we're

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talking about here, I mean all these surveys and research

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that you've been doing. The website they can go to

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to study up for themselves, because as we often say,

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you need to own your own knowledge. I mean, we're

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reporting to you. It's up to you to discover for

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yourself and just not take our word for it.

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Right absolutely, so they could go to Cultural Research Center

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dot com, or they could go to my website Georgebarna

815
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dot com. Whatever is easier to remember, go there. All

816
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the stuff is free to download it, share it, study it.

817
00:42:16.760 --> 00:42:20.679
I mean, you know, it's important to think about these matters.

818
00:42:21.079 --> 00:42:24.039
If you don't think American Christians are getting it right,

819
00:42:24.159 --> 00:42:27.239
good show them the way. That's what a disciple does

820
00:42:27.360 --> 00:42:31.400
is we imitate Jesus and we serve as a model

821
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for other people to see Christ through Us through how

822
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we believe, how we behave, and so we teach others

823
00:42:39.000 --> 00:42:41.880
through that modeling. And it's important that we do that.

824
00:42:41.920 --> 00:42:44.400
We've got too few people doing it. So I hope

825
00:42:44.400 --> 00:42:46.760
that everybody that's listening right now is going to say, Okay,

826
00:42:47.199 --> 00:42:50.639
that's going to be my challenge for this Thanksgiving. Everybody

827
00:42:50.679 --> 00:42:52.559
that I encounter, I want them to be able to

828
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look at me and to see Jesus through the choices

829
00:42:55.559 --> 00:42:58.199
that I'm making, through the words coming out of my mouth,

830
00:42:58.239 --> 00:43:02.920
the relationships I'm building, the lifestyle that I'm manifesting that

831
00:43:03.000 --> 00:43:05.760
needs to reflect the Kingdom of God exactly.

832
00:43:06.039 --> 00:43:10.079
Well, the opportunity here again, it starts with you. Okay,

833
00:43:10.480 --> 00:43:12.920
before you can evangelize, you've got to be filled up

834
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with all the right things that come from God. Otherwise

835
00:43:17.119 --> 00:43:19.280
you're going to get your hat handed to you and

836
00:43:19.320 --> 00:43:21.599
then you're going to get discouraged and you're going to say, well,

837
00:43:21.719 --> 00:43:24.800
maybe I shouldn't really believe in this. No, don't be

838
00:43:24.920 --> 00:43:27.880
that seed that falls on rocky ground. You want to

839
00:43:27.920 --> 00:43:31.480
be that fertilized soil that here's the word of God

840
00:43:31.800 --> 00:43:35.800
and produces you know, thirty sixty one hundredfold right.

841
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Yeah, And you know, Bill, I mean personally, I've always

842
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been an activist. In college, I was an activist. I

843
00:43:42.840 --> 00:43:45.360
came out of college, I was involved in politics, running

844
00:43:45.360 --> 00:43:50.960
political campaigns, you know, serving writing policy papers, all kinds

845
00:43:51.000 --> 00:43:54.880
of stuff meant to change the culture. And for years

846
00:43:54.960 --> 00:43:57.920
I was so discouraged because I kept waiting for the

847
00:43:57.960 --> 00:44:01.719
revolution that I knew we need. And as I grew

848
00:44:01.800 --> 00:44:04.559
up and matured and accepted Christ and got into the faith,

849
00:44:04.840 --> 00:44:07.599
I realized, yeah, it's ultimately a spiritual revolution, not a

850
00:44:07.639 --> 00:44:11.280
political revolution. But I was still so disappointed because the

851
00:44:11.320 --> 00:44:15.079
revolution wasn't happening. People weren't flocking to Christ and living

852
00:44:15.159 --> 00:44:18.519
his life. And finally, one day, you know, we got

853
00:44:18.519 --> 00:44:20.760
out Maxwell's silver hammer and he banged me on the

854
00:44:20.800 --> 00:44:25.119
head and said, ding, ding, You know what that revolution

855
00:44:25.320 --> 00:44:27.599
is one life at a time. Don't wait for the

856
00:44:27.639 --> 00:44:32.679
big silver bullet that somebody in Washington or Rome or wherever,

857
00:44:32.800 --> 00:44:36.719
you know, Wheaton or Colorado Springs is going to fire

858
00:44:36.760 --> 00:44:39.360
and things are going to fall into line. It's one

859
00:44:39.440 --> 00:44:41.920
life at a time. Look at my son, I sent

860
00:44:42.000 --> 00:44:43.719
him to Earth. It was one life at a time.

861
00:44:43.760 --> 00:44:48.440
He took thirteen yahoos and invested three years, three years

862
00:44:49.000 --> 00:44:56.559
in these uneducated by worldly standards, unworthy individuals, until they

863
00:44:56.760 --> 00:44:59.840
got it. And George, you need to do the same thing.

864
00:45:00.119 --> 00:45:02.880
And I'm telling you Bill that that was such a

865
00:45:02.960 --> 00:45:06.840
turning point for me to recognize. Okay, a revolution is one,

866
00:45:07.320 --> 00:45:10.400
one person at a time, and so that's what each

867
00:45:10.440 --> 00:45:12.719
of us has to be thinking, is who's on my

868
00:45:12.920 --> 00:45:16.679
list of potential revolutionaries and one in a time. I

869
00:45:16.679 --> 00:45:19.079
got to be discipling and I got to show them.

870
00:45:19.440 --> 00:45:20.880
I got to live with them, I got to hold

871
00:45:20.880 --> 00:45:23.239
them accountable. I got to model it for them. We

872
00:45:23.320 --> 00:45:25.920
got to talk about these things. I've got to invest

873
00:45:26.000 --> 00:45:28.880
time in them. Why Because that's how Jesus did it.

874
00:45:28.960 --> 00:45:31.719
That's how it exactly, exactly and at the core of

875
00:45:31.760 --> 00:45:35.639
all this, George, like you said, you experience the freedom

876
00:45:35.639 --> 00:45:38.079
of God, I mean how liberating you know, to get

877
00:45:38.079 --> 00:45:40.159
to that point going, Oh, I get it. You don't

878
00:45:40.199 --> 00:45:43.400
want me to carry the whole world, right, you know,

879
00:45:43.639 --> 00:45:45.800
just you know, like they tell you when you get

880
00:45:45.840 --> 00:45:48.280
on the airplane, you know, these masks come down. Put

881
00:45:48.280 --> 00:45:51.400
the mask on yourself first before you go in, you know,

882
00:45:51.519 --> 00:45:53.760
up the aisles and trying to help somebody else, dripping

883
00:45:53.800 --> 00:45:56.440
over everybody else's mask. Take care of yourself first, and

884
00:45:56.480 --> 00:45:58.920
then you can be of some sort of value here,

885
00:45:59.519 --> 00:46:05.440
you know what you know talking about representing the gospel Georgia,

886
00:46:05.480 --> 00:46:07.639
I like what Saint Francis of ASSISI had to say.

887
00:46:07.679 --> 00:46:12.199
Says always preached the gospel and occasionally use words right.

888
00:46:12.159 --> 00:46:15.679
Yeah, yeah, you would have to. I great when I

889
00:46:15.719 --> 00:46:18.440
went there to a ceci in Italy. It was just

890
00:46:18.480 --> 00:46:21.920
such a blowaway to read so many of the things

891
00:46:21.920 --> 00:46:24.599
that he said. You know, because I was familiar with him,

892
00:46:24.599 --> 00:46:26.440
I was attracted. That's why we went to the place.

893
00:46:26.440 --> 00:46:31.039
But when you get there and you feel that environment

894
00:46:31.119 --> 00:46:33.840
that he was in where he spent a lot of

895
00:46:33.880 --> 00:46:36.639
time outside, you know, in the garden with the birds,

896
00:46:37.679 --> 00:46:41.159
God to speak to him, Yeah, yeah, you know what,

897
00:46:41.199 --> 00:46:45.199
that's what's missing for me personally. I'm so busy trying

898
00:46:45.199 --> 00:46:48.400
to do stuff for God that I forget. Yeah, God

899
00:46:48.440 --> 00:46:51.239
doesn't really need me to do stuff. Let me just

900
00:46:51.320 --> 00:46:53.519
listen to what he has to say and see where

901
00:46:53.559 --> 00:46:56.039
he wants to send me, because I know he's got

902
00:46:56.039 --> 00:46:57.320
a better plan than I've got.

903
00:46:57.960 --> 00:47:02.159
Yeah, and as Jesus said, don't worry when you're asked,

904
00:47:03.159 --> 00:47:06.559
you know about God, I'll give you the words right,

905
00:47:06.880 --> 00:47:10.239
even when you're being persecuted. And again that's that trust.

906
00:47:10.280 --> 00:47:14.119
But unless you really let go and allow that to happen,

907
00:47:14.480 --> 00:47:18.199
you'll never experience it. Because meanwhile, I mean, what Jesus

908
00:47:18.239 --> 00:47:21.199
did for us is in a sense, you know, we're

909
00:47:21.239 --> 00:47:24.920
part of this new covenant. You know, our own our

910
00:47:24.960 --> 00:47:29.239
own bodies are the tabernacle of Christ. I mean when

911
00:47:29.280 --> 00:47:32.199
you think about it, I mean, we're carrying Christ in

912
00:47:32.280 --> 00:47:36.119
us if we allow, if we allow God to you know,

913
00:47:36.480 --> 00:47:39.519
to be there in us, and and we get out

914
00:47:39.559 --> 00:47:40.840
of God's way, right.

915
00:47:41.519 --> 00:47:45.239
Yeah, and and and part of that is taken the

916
00:47:45.360 --> 00:47:47.599
time to know what we're about.

917
00:47:48.000 --> 00:47:50.480
You got to read, you gotta I'm sorry, let me

918
00:47:50.519 --> 00:47:50.840
go back.

919
00:47:51.280 --> 00:47:54.159
One of my concerns is that in America we've got

920
00:47:54.199 --> 00:47:58.519
this thing about read the scriptures. And maybe because it's

921
00:47:58.559 --> 00:48:01.480
I work at a university, but I think maybe we

922
00:48:01.559 --> 00:48:04.119
need to twist that understanding a little bit and say.

923
00:48:04.000 --> 00:48:05.320
Ah, don't just read it.

924
00:48:05.719 --> 00:48:09.920
You can read your newspaper, study the scriptures, you know,

925
00:48:10.000 --> 00:48:13.280
spend time reflecting on it. This isn't just something to

926
00:48:13.360 --> 00:48:16.199
check off the to do list. It's like, dive into

927
00:48:16.239 --> 00:48:19.440
it and connect the points. That's one of the things

928
00:48:19.480 --> 00:48:21.760
that I discovered when we did all of our worldview

929
00:48:21.760 --> 00:48:24.039
and we continue to do a lot of worldview research.

930
00:48:24.559 --> 00:48:27.440
But one of the reasons why people in our churches

931
00:48:27.559 --> 00:48:30.599
don't have a biblical worldview, is that when we go

932
00:48:30.679 --> 00:48:35.400
to church, we hear some good biblical sermons sometimes and

933
00:48:35.480 --> 00:48:37.679
we sit there and we take notes. Okay, I got

934
00:48:37.679 --> 00:48:40.599
the main points. But what we're not doing, we found

935
00:48:41.119 --> 00:48:44.719
is connecting the dots, helping people to see how all

936
00:48:44.719 --> 00:48:47.599
these things fit together. So when I look at all

937
00:48:47.639 --> 00:48:49.639
the research we do, like this current study and this

938
00:48:49.719 --> 00:48:53.559
whole issue about Israel, and it's really troubling me that's

939
00:48:53.719 --> 00:49:00.119
so many of our fellow church colors, maybe fellow Christians,

940
00:49:00.480 --> 00:49:05.760
are not understanding how important God's chosen people are to

941
00:49:05.840 --> 00:49:08.800
his heart. And so in the survey, what we found

942
00:49:08.880 --> 00:49:14.280
is only six regular churchgoers said yeah, I think it's

943
00:49:14.679 --> 00:49:19.920
important for us to consistently pray for Israel. Less than that,

944
00:49:20.679 --> 00:49:23.679
less than half said, well, I think it's important for

945
00:49:23.760 --> 00:49:27.119
me to talk to other people about Israel, about who

946
00:49:27.159 --> 00:49:29.360
they are, about their history, about what they're going through,

947
00:49:29.360 --> 00:49:34.960
about their importance in the big scriptural picture. Why don't

948
00:49:34.960 --> 00:49:37.400
we do that? Because we don't know the big scriptural picture.

949
00:49:37.719 --> 00:49:40.559
And so we've got to get back to studying the scriptures.

950
00:49:40.840 --> 00:49:43.199
Where does Israel come up? Why does it matter to God?

951
00:49:43.239 --> 00:49:46.400
Why did he choose them what's the difference? You know,

952
00:49:46.079 --> 00:49:49.519
do we know, say Genesis twelve, you know where God

953
00:49:49.559 --> 00:49:51.840
talks about all bless those who bless Israel.

954
00:49:52.599 --> 00:49:53.480
I want it on that.

955
00:49:53.920 --> 00:49:56.519
You know, exactly what do you do to bless Israel? Okay,

956
00:49:56.519 --> 00:49:58.119
you got to pray for him, you got to talk

957
00:49:58.159 --> 00:50:01.639
about them. You know. We found that only a third

958
00:50:02.039 --> 00:50:05.079
of regular churchgoers said, yeah, I think it's important to

959
00:50:05.079 --> 00:50:08.960
invest my resources, my time, my money, other things that

960
00:50:09.039 --> 00:50:14.440
I have into supporting Israel. Most Christians not willing to

961
00:50:14.480 --> 00:50:17.079
do that. What are they willing to put their money into?

962
00:50:17.480 --> 00:50:21.239
New clothing, new cars, new houses, new vacations. All of

963
00:50:21.280 --> 00:50:24.719
these kinds of things rate higher on the scale than

964
00:50:24.760 --> 00:50:28.159
supporting God's chosen people. So it comes back to this

965
00:50:28.199 --> 00:50:31.320
issue of priorities. Do we really know God's word? Do

966
00:50:31.400 --> 00:50:36.760
we prioritize his values or do we prioritize our values.

967
00:50:37.239 --> 00:50:39.440
So it's one of these things where when you start

968
00:50:39.480 --> 00:50:42.639
to study the scriptures, hopefully you begin to see the

969
00:50:42.679 --> 00:50:45.239
world a little bit differently in your priorities shift.

970
00:50:45.920 --> 00:50:47.599
Well, no doubt you will. And I can tell you

971
00:50:47.599 --> 00:50:51.639
that was my discovery, George, is that as I began

972
00:50:51.760 --> 00:50:55.639
to really make a commitment to the Word of God.

973
00:50:56.239 --> 00:50:59.960
And what really grabbed a hold of me was Jesus

974
00:51:00.079 --> 00:51:02.719
himself saying, hey, look at I don't live by bread

975
00:51:02.840 --> 00:51:05.119
a man. I live by every word that comes from

976
00:51:05.159 --> 00:51:07.280
the mouth of God. And I'm going this is Jesus

977
00:51:07.320 --> 00:51:11.679
saying this. And then as I continue on that journey

978
00:51:12.000 --> 00:51:14.559
and the spirit is leading me and opening up my

979
00:51:14.760 --> 00:51:17.719
mind and awareness of what's going on, it was like,

980
00:51:18.159 --> 00:51:20.320
kind of what you're saying here right now, and that

981
00:51:20.440 --> 00:51:24.119
is that you have to be committed to studying, to

982
00:51:24.639 --> 00:51:28.480
you know, chewing, meditating on the word of God. And

983
00:51:28.519 --> 00:51:31.920
we do that because it blesses us in so many ways.

984
00:51:31.960 --> 00:51:34.440
But it also what it does it serves as a

985
00:51:34.480 --> 00:51:39.280
guardrail to tell us when things come up that are inconsistent,

986
00:51:39.360 --> 00:51:43.280
that do not validate scripture, that are in conflict with scripture.

987
00:51:43.599 --> 00:51:46.519
The more you're aware of what scripture says, that stuff

988
00:51:46.559 --> 00:51:49.119
is glaring screaming at you, right. I mean, like some

989
00:51:49.159 --> 00:51:51.559
of the things we're touching on right now, like socialism,

990
00:51:51.800 --> 00:51:54.679
it's like whoa, that is like a screaming siren. But

991
00:51:55.039 --> 00:51:58.159
if you're very casual about scripture, oh yeah, that kind

992
00:51:58.159 --> 00:51:58.960
of feels okay.

993
00:52:00.519 --> 00:52:03.480
And related to that, you know, I've been sitting here

994
00:52:03.559 --> 00:52:05.599
looking at all of this data and saying.

995
00:52:05.400 --> 00:52:08.280
So, why don't people read the scriptures?

996
00:52:09.039 --> 00:52:10.760
And you know, part of it is that they don't

997
00:52:10.760 --> 00:52:13.280
think it's true, they don't think it's reliable, they don't

998
00:52:13.320 --> 00:52:18.280
think it's relevant. They don't understand that it's meant by

999
00:52:18.440 --> 00:52:22.519
God to be our guide for making moral choices. It's

1000
00:52:22.559 --> 00:52:24.960
all in there, if we'll simply take the time to

1001
00:52:25.000 --> 00:52:29.079
read it and study it and embrace it. And so

1002
00:52:29.159 --> 00:52:32.639
I look at this this research report that I put together,

1003
00:52:33.000 --> 00:52:35.679
and you know it talks about how people are confused

1004
00:52:35.760 --> 00:52:39.559
about abortion. Why because we have a majority who say

1005
00:52:39.880 --> 00:52:43.519
the Bible is neither clear nor decisive in what it

1006
00:52:43.559 --> 00:52:47.079
teaches about abortion. They a majority say it's not clear

1007
00:52:47.119 --> 00:52:51.039
and decisive what it says about homosexuality. A majority are

1008
00:52:51.079 --> 00:52:54.519
telling us it's not clear and decisive. That's the phrase

1009
00:52:54.559 --> 00:52:58.880
that we looked at in terms of teaching us about transgenderism.

1010
00:52:59.199 --> 00:53:02.159
It's not you're and decisive when it looks at issues

1011
00:53:02.239 --> 00:53:07.760
like eth in Asia WHOA, it's only clear, unclear, and

1012
00:53:07.880 --> 00:53:09.280
indecisive if you.

1013
00:53:09.199 --> 00:53:12.320
Don't read it and if you don't trust it. So

1014
00:53:12.639 --> 00:53:13.400
you know, when you.

1015
00:53:13.360 --> 00:53:15.880
Say to God, God, I'm gonna take a chance. I'm

1016
00:53:15.880 --> 00:53:18.400
going to step out here on the plank. I'm going

1017
00:53:18.480 --> 00:53:20.199
to go to the edge of the plank, and I'm

1018
00:53:20.199 --> 00:53:23.719
going to say, God, I'm trusting you now. Now fill

1019
00:53:23.800 --> 00:53:27.079
my mind with your truth. Give him that shot. Because

1020
00:53:27.239 --> 00:53:29.440
I don't know about your journey, but that that's literally

1021
00:53:29.440 --> 00:53:31.800
what I did when when I was a dress I

1022
00:53:31.840 --> 00:53:34.159
was trying to figure out, is this Jesus guy for real?

1023
00:53:34.920 --> 00:53:37.800
And and so I told the pastor, who was telling, oh, yeah,

1024
00:53:38.039 --> 00:53:39.960
is going to trust him? It's like, okay, I'm giving

1025
00:53:40.039 --> 00:53:42.079
him a month. You think he can pull that off?

1026
00:53:42.559 --> 00:53:44.880
And the pastor, you know, swallowed hard, but you know so.

1027
00:53:46.119 --> 00:53:49.880
And so, within a couple of weeks after saying to God, God,

1028
00:53:50.039 --> 00:53:53.400
you just take me, take me. If you're there, if

1029
00:53:53.400 --> 00:53:56.360
you're real, if this stuff that's in this book that

1030
00:53:56.440 --> 00:53:59.480
this church just gave me, if this is real, stuff

1031
00:53:59.800 --> 00:54:02.639
may come alive in my mind, my heart, and my life.

1032
00:54:03.159 --> 00:54:05.760
And within two weeks, my wife and I were like,

1033
00:54:06.119 --> 00:54:09.079
we were giddy. It's like, oh my gosh, I can't

1034
00:54:09.079 --> 00:54:09.840
believe this.

1035
00:54:09.760 --> 00:54:10.320
Is all real.

1036
00:54:10.679 --> 00:54:13.440
Why didn't we know this earlier. We're in our mid twenties.

1037
00:54:13.480 --> 00:54:16.280
Look how much time we wasted, you know, exactly. But

1038
00:54:16.360 --> 00:54:20.079
that's what America is doing. We're wasting our time pursuing

1039
00:54:20.119 --> 00:54:25.639
stuff that's meaningless when we've got life being handed to

1040
00:54:25.760 --> 00:54:27.599
us by the one who created it.

1041
00:54:28.119 --> 00:54:28.480
Amen.

1042
00:54:29.280 --> 00:54:32.199
He's the director of research at Arizona Christian University's Cultural

1043
00:54:32.239 --> 00:54:35.920
Research Center, the author of Raising Spiritual Champions, Doctor George.

1044
00:54:35.960 --> 00:54:38.239
As we wrap things up, remind everybody where they can

1045
00:54:38.280 --> 00:54:41.519
go to study for themselves and to show themselves approved,

1046
00:54:42.199 --> 00:54:45.079
not just for the approval process, but for their own

1047
00:54:45.159 --> 00:54:46.079
joy and happiness.

1048
00:54:46.159 --> 00:54:46.320
Right.

1049
00:54:47.159 --> 00:54:48.920
You know what, that was a trick question. You were

1050
00:54:48.920 --> 00:54:50.559
thinking I was going to get my website, But I'm

1051
00:54:50.559 --> 00:54:52.360
going to say. The answer is the Bible.

1052
00:54:52.199 --> 00:54:55.519
Right still the number one selling book on the planet.

1053
00:54:55.639 --> 00:54:55.760
Right.

1054
00:54:56.000 --> 00:54:56.159
Oh?

1055
00:54:56.400 --> 00:54:58.159
Man, I wish I'd written that, but it wouldn't have

1056
00:54:58.159 --> 00:55:01.599
been number one if I did, had his power, his truth.

1057
00:55:02.039 --> 00:55:04.039
But yeah, yeah, I mean, read the Bible.

1058
00:55:04.599 --> 00:55:07.760
If you want to make a new year's resolution early,

1059
00:55:08.400 --> 00:55:10.840
make it that you are going to not just read

1060
00:55:10.880 --> 00:55:13.559
the Bible. You are going to study the Bible for

1061
00:55:13.639 --> 00:55:15.360
the coming year. And it doesn't matter if you get

1062
00:55:15.360 --> 00:55:18.039
from the beginning to the very end within three hundred

1063
00:55:18.079 --> 00:55:19.039
and sixty five days.

1064
00:55:19.440 --> 00:55:21.199
Just dive into his word.

1065
00:55:21.320 --> 00:55:25.039
Stay there, stay underwater for a year, okay, and you'll

1066
00:55:25.039 --> 00:55:27.239
come up breathing better exactly.

1067
00:55:27.320 --> 00:55:29.719
And it's okay. You can ask that same question of God.

1068
00:55:30.639 --> 00:55:32.320
You know that God would be real to.

1069
00:55:32.320 --> 00:55:36.199
You right absolutely. He's waiting for us to ask it.

1070
00:55:36.239 --> 00:55:38.679
And the problem is that not enough are asking it.

1071
00:55:39.119 --> 00:55:41.159
We think, Okay, I'm pretty smart, you know I got

1072
00:55:41.239 --> 00:55:45.880
multiple degrees. I'll figure this out. Satan's block and the

1073
00:55:45.960 --> 00:55:49.639
connection there. I need God to overwhelm that and say, okay,

1074
00:55:49.679 --> 00:55:50.760
George focus.

1075
00:55:51.000 --> 00:55:53.880
Yes, amen, doctor George Barne. Thank you, my friend. Take care,

1076
00:55:53.920 --> 00:55:54.400
God bless me.

1077
00:55:54.599 --> 00:55:55.519
Same to you, my buddy.

1078
00:55:55.679 --> 00:55:56.639
I'll say, you got it.

1079
00:55:57.519 --> 00:56:00.519
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1080
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1081
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1082
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1083
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1084
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1085
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1086
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1087
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Iar in Mexico for only two ninety nine, be one

1088
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1089
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1090
00:56:34.599 --> 00:56:37.599
even up to the eighties, you deserve a great vacation,

1091
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So take it right now. Port Iora, Mexico, well now,

1092
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1093
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your trip.

1094
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1095
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1096
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ninety five nine seven oh two Oh. That's eight hundred

1097
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ninety five nine seventy twenty.

1098
00:57:02.880 --> 00:57:06.880
Getting America back on track. Bill Martinez live.

1099
00:57:07.920 --> 00:57:10.079
Hey, right now, six minutes after the top of the hour.

1100
00:57:10.119 --> 00:57:13.440
Bill Martinez here along with doctor Michael Butler. He is

1101
00:57:13.559 --> 00:57:17.039
a public policy analyst, economics expert, and professor of finance

1102
00:57:17.079 --> 00:57:20.760
at Stockton University of New Jersey. Hey, doctor Butler, how

1103
00:57:20.800 --> 00:57:21.079
are you.

1104
00:57:21.559 --> 00:57:23.599
I'm doing very well, Bill, Thanks for having me.

1105
00:57:23.679 --> 00:57:26.519
Always my pleasure to be well. Always great to have

1106
00:57:26.599 --> 00:57:28.760
your insight here to help us understand. You know, what

1107
00:57:28.880 --> 00:57:32.159
is going on. We've got a disruption in the force

1108
00:57:32.199 --> 00:57:37.280
here with all that's happening in Iran. You know, for

1109
00:57:37.320 --> 00:57:39.559
a lot of people, at least those of us who

1110
00:57:39.639 --> 00:57:42.239
want to remain optimistic. We think that there's a lot

1111
00:57:42.280 --> 00:57:44.719
of positive that can come out of this, but it's

1112
00:57:44.760 --> 00:57:47.719
getting through the process and dealing with you know, the

1113
00:57:47.760 --> 00:57:50.599
mainstream media and the Democrats and the Schumer and the

1114
00:57:50.639 --> 00:57:54.719
rest of the gang. They just want to be negative.

1115
00:57:54.719 --> 00:57:57.119
Nelly's about everything that has to do with Donald Trump.

1116
00:57:59.079 --> 00:58:04.000
Yeah, and I think the sooner this gets over, the

1117
00:58:04.039 --> 00:58:06.639
better it's going to be for everybody. Now, according to

1118
00:58:06.800 --> 00:58:11.079
everything I've seen, the US has pretty much wiped out

1119
00:58:11.079 --> 00:58:14.559
the nuclear program, wiped out their navy. I think gotten

1120
00:58:14.559 --> 00:58:20.000
about ninety percent of their missiles launchers taken care of.

1121
00:58:20.079 --> 00:58:24.760
So I don't think we're that far away. The short term,

1122
00:58:25.159 --> 00:58:27.159
in the next day or two, what they have to

1123
00:58:27.199 --> 00:58:32.239
work on is making sure this Strait of Hormuz remains open.

1124
00:58:33.119 --> 00:58:38.320
If that happens, that'll deflect any shock in oil prices,

1125
00:58:38.360 --> 00:58:40.960
and it'll bring oil prices back down. There really is

1126
00:58:41.000 --> 00:58:44.239
not a shortage now, it's just a matter of getting

1127
00:58:44.280 --> 00:58:47.360
the oil to where it has to go and opening

1128
00:58:47.440 --> 00:58:50.880
up the straits. We'll be able to do that otherwise.

1129
00:58:50.880 --> 00:58:54.880
In the meantime, we're flirting with oil prices approaching one

1130
00:58:54.920 --> 00:58:55.920
hundred dollars a barrel.

1131
00:58:56.559 --> 00:58:59.119
Yeah, it inched up there and then came back down

1132
00:58:59.159 --> 00:59:02.519
pretty quick. Donald Trump said, hey, look at will escort

1133
00:59:02.599 --> 00:59:06.320
you and we'll get you special insurance and all that.

1134
00:59:06.440 --> 00:59:10.360
So he tried to calm the nerves. But you know,

1135
00:59:10.880 --> 00:59:14.000
the thing is about petroleum and the whole you know,

1136
00:59:14.400 --> 00:59:19.800
that whole industrial complex. It's not going to ignore a

1137
00:59:19.920 --> 00:59:22.440
crisis and where they could raise prices, right.

1138
00:59:23.440 --> 00:59:28.719
Yeah, probably not, Although I think once this gets resolved,

1139
00:59:29.320 --> 00:59:32.519
there's so much oil just waiting to get through the

1140
00:59:32.559 --> 00:59:36.159
straits and get the words supposed to go to I

1141
00:59:36.239 --> 00:59:38.960
agree with President Trump. As soon as this gets resolved,

1142
00:59:39.000 --> 00:59:41.360
I think within a week or two you'll see oil

1143
00:59:41.440 --> 00:59:45.599
prices plummet and gasoline go back down to well under

1144
00:59:45.639 --> 00:59:48.400
three dollars a gallon or where it was before. And

1145
00:59:48.440 --> 00:59:50.559
I think the trend for the rest of the year

1146
00:59:50.599 --> 00:59:53.400
is still downward for oil prices and gas prices.

1147
00:59:53.840 --> 00:59:56.880
Yeah, before this happened, I was paying around I think

1148
00:59:56.920 --> 01:00:00.719
the low was two forty three right pill up today

1149
01:00:00.960 --> 01:00:03.920
was three three fifty.

1150
01:00:05.480 --> 01:00:06.559
Yeah, it's a big swing.

1151
01:00:07.360 --> 01:00:10.599
It is a big swing. I'm not sure it's peaked yet. Again,

1152
01:00:10.599 --> 01:00:14.519
it depends on how quickly President Trump can convince tankers

1153
01:00:14.559 --> 01:00:18.400
to go through the straight Now, Trump said, if necessary,

1154
01:00:18.480 --> 01:00:21.679
we'll send the Navy to protect you. And what the

1155
01:00:21.760 --> 01:00:25.880
problem was is mostly from Lloyd's of London, but other

1156
01:00:25.960 --> 01:00:28.920
insurance companies said, listen, if you go through the straits,

1157
01:00:28.920 --> 01:00:30.880
we're not going to ensure you because we don't know

1158
01:00:30.880 --> 01:00:33.880
what's going to happen, and therefore they didn't go through. Now,

1159
01:00:33.920 --> 01:00:37.159
Trump said that the US will act as a reinsurer.

1160
01:00:37.360 --> 01:00:40.679
So what does that mean? So they'll guarantee to the

1161
01:00:40.719 --> 01:00:45.519
insurance companies that their losses don't exceed a negotiated amount.

1162
01:00:45.920 --> 01:00:48.920
Once that happens, then the insurance companies will say, okay,

1163
01:00:48.920 --> 01:00:51.639
since I'm sure I'm not going to have catastrophic losses,

1164
01:00:51.639 --> 01:00:54.920
I'll continue to ensure these ships and they should move

1165
01:00:55.719 --> 01:00:59.480
through freely. The key is really to get around in

1166
01:00:59.480 --> 01:01:02.639
a position where they can't do anything about the straits

1167
01:01:02.639 --> 01:01:05.000
of horror moves, and that would be a better long

1168
01:01:05.079 --> 01:01:05.719
term solution.

1169
01:01:06.400 --> 01:01:09.679
Well, the challenge that you have is that, especially right now,

1170
01:01:10.440 --> 01:01:13.679
you know who is the leader, maybe the son who

1171
01:01:13.719 --> 01:01:17.599
supposedly has been wounded. Needless to say, he's he's the

1172
01:01:17.639 --> 01:01:21.199
next target, you know, for Trump to take out, especially

1173
01:01:21.599 --> 01:01:26.800
after Trump when they announced his his position. You know,

1174
01:01:26.840 --> 01:01:29.599
Trump was very quick to say that's unacceptable.

1175
01:01:30.039 --> 01:01:31.280
Yeah, and you.

1176
01:01:31.199 --> 01:01:33.360
Know that guy who was the son of the I

1177
01:01:33.599 --> 01:01:36.760
toold He's lost his father, his wife, and I think

1178
01:01:36.840 --> 01:01:40.280
one or two of his children and all these actions.

1179
01:01:40.320 --> 01:01:41.960
So he's going to be kind of a bitter man.

1180
01:01:43.119 --> 01:01:46.119
He's more radical, I think than his father.

1181
01:01:46.280 --> 01:01:48.159
So that's what that's what I've been told that he

1182
01:01:48.480 --> 01:01:50.119
his roots are out of the IRGC.

1183
01:01:50.760 --> 01:01:54.719
Yeah, so it's very critical that he doesn't get into power.

1184
01:01:55.639 --> 01:01:58.440
I think the Israelities will take him out.

1185
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Within the next few days. That's why I expect it

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to happen.

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Trump wants to leave with the nuclear program decimated, no

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more missiles, and they won't have the ability then to

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fund those proxy groups hutsis Hamas and Hezbola, and he

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wants the people to install the leader that they want. Now,

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01:02:22.639 --> 01:02:24.920
this one I told his son that was put in

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01:02:25.559 --> 01:02:28.199
probably about ten or twenty. I don't know the exact

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01:02:28.199 --> 01:02:32.119
percentage of the population support him, and they were out

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rallying yesterday.

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I don't believe that by compulsion, Michael, you had to

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know that.

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Probably, so I'm pretty sure that doesn't reflect the majority.

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Of the views of the Iranians.

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And once they the Iranians are assured that this military

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is not going to shoot them if they go out

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01:02:48.079 --> 01:02:50.679
and protest, I think they'll go out in full force,

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01:02:50.760 --> 01:02:56.280
eventually overthrow the government and put in somebody temporarily as

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01:02:56.280 --> 01:02:59.880
they did in Venezuela, until they can have an election

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01:03:00.199 --> 01:03:03.199
and let the people of Iran decide for the first

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time maybe ever. I mean, going back forty seven years

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01:03:07.280 --> 01:03:09.000
of the eye of totally then you had the Shah

1207
01:03:09.079 --> 01:03:13.440
before that, and they never really had free elections. With

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the resources they have, and they're intelligent people, so with

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01:03:18.320 --> 01:03:20.800
the resources that they have, they'll be able to make

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a run into a thriving country. As long as they

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stay away from this we're trying to control the world

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01:03:29.280 --> 01:03:32.320
idea and just go back to we want to just

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live peacefully with everybody else in the Middle East. That

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will really create a whole new chapter in the Middle East,

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one that will benefit them greatly and then the rest

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of the world.

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The whole region as well, especially. I mean, all of

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a sudden, you've got terrorists cut off and their flow

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of revenue in order to wreak hav it in the region,

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and of course around the world now because their tentacles

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are spread out and we know they're here in America

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as well. So everybody's heads on a swivel here and

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and needs it needs to be rightfully so because of

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01:04:06.400 --> 01:04:09.320
you know, the danger that is lurking, you know, because

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you got I mean, we've already had a couple of

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instances where, you know, pro pro Ietola people have have

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perpetrated crimes in our country, So you know it's there.

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And I think, you know, we didn't need to delude

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ourselves to think that this wasn't going to happen. It's

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just I think we've been very fortunate that it's only

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happened at this level.

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Yeah, as I say, the sooner we can get this

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thing wrapped up better, once the head of the snake

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is completely gone, I think a lot of these lone

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wolves and cells that they have will kind of dissipate

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and things will move forward. In the meantime, we are

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going to have to deal with not only those problems,

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but some economic issues too. Going right before the Trump

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started this incursion or war, whatever he calls it, the

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economy slowed down in the fourth quarter, So the second

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and third quarter of last year, growing at about a

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four percent rate. Fourth quarter dropped down to one and

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a half percent.

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Now.

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Trump economists and White House economists have said the government shutdown,

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which is almost half of the entire quarter, caused about

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a two percent drop in GDP, so instead of one

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01:05:23.480 --> 01:05:25.920
and a half, according to their estimates, it would have

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01:05:25.960 --> 01:05:30.159
been three and a half, which isn't bad. January started

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off adding a blockbuster number of jobs, but then February

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we not only didn't we add jobs, we lost over

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ninety thousand. Again a few reasons for that. The Bayata

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nurses in California, thirty one thousand of them went on strike,

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so those jobs went away. So and you do get

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these monthly swings. And in economics we say one month

1256
01:05:55.400 --> 01:05:58.519
doesn't make a trend. Were way up in one and

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01:05:58.559 --> 01:06:00.719
way down the other. If you have to two. We're

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01:06:00.719 --> 01:06:05.320
still doing okay, and let's see what future months bring.

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But the producer price index also shot up.

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I'll tell you what. Before we go there, Michael, let's

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go to quick break. We'll pick it up on the

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other side. More from doctor Butler. After they stay with us.

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of breath, fatigue, or light headedness can come and go,

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but if it's a FIB, the risk of stroke remains.

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Welcome back Bill Martinez here with doctor Michael Butler, the

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public policy analyst and economics expert. Michael, go ahead and

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pick up where we left off.

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So what I was saying was the last number we

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got for the consumer price at X was two point

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four percent, which is great. However, the producer price index

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went up two point nine percent last month, and typically

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as producer prices go a month or two later, consumer

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prices are going to feel that, not always but often.

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So all I'm saying is there's some bad news with inflation,

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there's some bad news with economic growth. There's a little

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bit of bad news with a number of jobs created.

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So as soon as we can get this thing over,

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because these high oil prices and high gasoline prices are

1365
01:11:31.319 --> 01:11:33.640
going to tend to slow the economy too. So the

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01:11:33.720 --> 01:11:35.520
sooner we can get this over and the sooner we

1367
01:11:35.560 --> 01:11:41.359
can get things back to reasonable normalcy in the energy market,

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the better off the economy.

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Will will be. Well, there's lots of balls in the

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air here. I mean, we're still trying to square away Venezuela. Okay,

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Now now you have Iran that's going to be a

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project and the President's already said he's going for all

1373
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the fifty seven Chevies down in Cuba.

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I'm a little older.

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Fifty seven Chevies were a very popular model to.

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I can't wait. I mean, that's where they all went.

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I mean that's always been, you know, one of the

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dream cars I've had to want to restore, but only

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available in Cuba.

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Yeah, so he's got all those countries with geopolitical problems.

1381
01:12:23.119 --> 01:12:26.720
I think Trump's really bid off a lot here. If

1382
01:12:26.720 --> 01:12:29.560
he can pull all this off and bring a democracy

1383
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to Venezuela when they can vote, and have them thriving

1384
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because they've got more oil reserves than Saudi Arabia, exactly,

1385
01:12:37.039 --> 01:12:41.239
get them thriving, get rid of communism in Cuba, which

1386
01:12:41.239 --> 01:12:43.079
I think that they're just about to do, and the

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most importantly, get rid of the military threat from Iran.

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I think we'll have.

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Really some peace in the world. You know, for years

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we used to joke, well, how sooner will something happen.

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You know, if you wanted to say, well, it will

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never happen, you'll say, well, as soon as you piece

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in the Middle East, that'll happen. Knowing that, I don't

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think we'll ever get peace in the mist.

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And that's when pigs lie, you know, right, the same

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thing right.

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Now here you have Trump with He's got the Abrams Accord.

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Saudi Arabia will sign too, as soon as the conflict

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were ready.

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They were ready to sign before except Godza stopped him, right, yeah, exactly.

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So once they signed, they're really kind of the leader

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in the Middle East. Other countries will sign. You'll have

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an economic partnership there with all the countries that will

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01:13:30.119 --> 01:13:32.760
move them forward, which is great for them and are

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really good for the rest of the world. So the

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sooner we can get this thing over, the better. President

1407
01:13:38.279 --> 01:13:40.720
Trump says it should be over in a relatively short

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period of time. Let's store what that means.

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01:13:43.439 --> 01:13:45.520
But yeah, well he says he's moving ahead of schedule.

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You know that what they've been able to accomplish with

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01:13:47.840 --> 01:13:50.359
the Department of War. So all that is good news.

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01:13:50.479 --> 01:13:53.079
And I know people are still nervous about boots on

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01:13:53.119 --> 01:13:56.520
the ground, and I said, look at you know, being military,

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former military, you got to win the war and so

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you can't dictate. I know, the mainstream media they just

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love to go gnawing on that bone. Oh, boots on

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01:14:05.720 --> 01:14:08.399
the ground, you know, we're gonna regime, you know, regime

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change and all this stuff. Look at you can't have

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And even Barack Obama said that, but I don't think

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he meant it. I think he had his fingers crossed

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01:14:16.119 --> 01:14:19.520
behind his back saying that Iran could not be nuclear.

1422
01:14:20.279 --> 01:14:23.239
But he did everything he could to accommodate that and

1423
01:14:23.319 --> 01:14:25.640
accommodate all their terrorism.

1424
01:14:26.239 --> 01:14:29.800
Right, yeah, exactly. And they even though they agreed with

1425
01:14:29.920 --> 01:14:33.680
Obama they wouldn't they were moving forward with their nuclear program.

1426
01:14:34.079 --> 01:14:35.479
Trump blew it all up.

1427
01:14:36.039 --> 01:14:37.600
Before he did.

1428
01:14:37.399 --> 01:14:41.640
That, they moved a lot of the uranium out, and

1429
01:14:41.720 --> 01:14:46.359
according to Steve Wykoff and JAREDY Kushner, when they were

1430
01:14:47.600 --> 01:14:50.840
trying to negotiate with the Uranians, the Iranians started off

1431
01:14:50.880 --> 01:14:53.399
by saying, we have a right to enrich uranium, and

1432
01:14:53.439 --> 01:14:56.920
we have four hundred and some odd grams of it ready,

1433
01:14:56.960 --> 01:14:59.760
and that's enough to make eleven nuclear bombs. And we

1434
01:14:59.840 --> 01:15:04.439
know they have the intercontinental ballistic missiles. So according to

1435
01:15:04.479 --> 01:15:07.039
the Trump people, it could have been just a matter

1436
01:15:07.079 --> 01:15:09.479
of weeks until they were ready to get a nuclear

1437
01:15:09.520 --> 01:15:12.359
warhead and put it on a missile that will reach

1438
01:15:12.720 --> 01:15:17.119
most of the area around Iran and eventually you go

1439
01:15:17.199 --> 01:15:19.800
far enough to reach the US, and we wanted to

1440
01:15:19.840 --> 01:15:23.039
stop that before it even had a chance of.

1441
01:15:24.760 --> 01:15:25.239
Happening.

1442
01:15:25.520 --> 01:15:28.079
So Trump went in. He pretty much did it. It's

1443
01:15:28.119 --> 01:15:30.800
only been ten eleven days now. If he can wrap

1444
01:15:30.840 --> 01:15:32.920
this up in the next seven eight days, I don't

1445
01:15:32.920 --> 01:15:34.560
know if he can or not, but if he can,

1446
01:15:35.159 --> 01:15:37.680
that would settle a lot of things and get everything

1447
01:15:37.720 --> 01:15:39.680
going back to normal again.

1448
01:15:40.119 --> 01:15:41.960
You know, as you were saying earlier, Michael, I mean

1449
01:15:42.119 --> 01:15:45.520
the people I've heard estimates anywhere from forty to sixty thousand.

1450
01:15:47.520 --> 01:15:49.840
You know, Iranians had been murdered in the streets there

1451
01:15:50.239 --> 01:15:52.039
at the hands of the eye tool in the RGC

1452
01:15:52.199 --> 01:15:56.920
and the local law enforcement there. They've got a lot

1453
01:15:57.000 --> 01:16:00.279
vested here. I mean, they have invested their own blood,

1454
01:16:00.399 --> 01:16:03.920
which reminds me of America during the revolutionary years, you know,

1455
01:16:04.319 --> 01:16:06.720
And I've been saying over and over again that the

1456
01:16:06.760 --> 01:16:10.199
Iranians have had their you know, Patrick Henry moment, you know,

1457
01:16:10.520 --> 01:16:13.479
give me liberty or give me death. And so I

1458
01:16:13.560 --> 01:16:16.760
pray and hope that for all the blood that's been spilled,

1459
01:16:16.800 --> 01:16:19.600
they've earned it. You know, they've earned it. But they've

1460
01:16:19.600 --> 01:16:21.720
got to just like what we had to go through,

1461
01:16:21.760 --> 01:16:24.920
what America, our founding fathers had to do, and those

1462
01:16:24.960 --> 01:16:27.760
that believed in this great American dream, they got to

1463
01:16:27.840 --> 01:16:30.279
keep on going. It's not just one and done right.

1464
01:16:30.520 --> 01:16:33.000
Exactly, and they have to organize and be able to

1465
01:16:33.039 --> 01:16:35.880
step up and take over the government. You can't have

1466
01:16:35.960 --> 01:16:39.119
Trump going in there and putting is this is who

1467
01:16:39.159 --> 01:16:41.119
I want. It's got to be what the people want.

1468
01:16:41.520 --> 01:16:43.800
Trump says, it's got to be somebody that I approve of,

1469
01:16:44.119 --> 01:16:45.760
because I don't want you to put in somebody that's

1470
01:16:45.760 --> 01:16:48.359
going to be just like the Iatola. We want someone

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01:16:48.399 --> 01:16:52.920
who wants to bring some kind of democracy to the

1472
01:16:52.960 --> 01:16:55.760
Iranian people and let them choose their.

1473
01:16:55.600 --> 01:16:57.199
Own leaders exactly.

1474
01:16:57.520 --> 01:17:02.159
The US is safer when everybody in the world can

1475
01:17:02.760 --> 01:17:05.760
choose their own leaders. It's the countries that can't choose

1476
01:17:05.760 --> 01:17:10.119
their own leaders that end up being problems. So if

1477
01:17:10.520 --> 01:17:13.399
Trump can get this over quickly and it turns things

1478
01:17:13.720 --> 01:17:17.479
around and around. Lindsey Graham was a little upset with

1479
01:17:17.520 --> 01:17:23.119
the Israelis that they're starting to bomb the oil refining facilities,

1480
01:17:23.439 --> 01:17:26.199
and Lindsey Graham was saying, look, let's just get the

1481
01:17:26.600 --> 01:17:30.960
old Guard out there. Don't hurt the country or causes

1482
01:17:31.159 --> 01:17:34.640
minimal amount of harm as possible. So when the people

1483
01:17:34.720 --> 01:17:37.600
do get into power, they still have the facilities and.

1484
01:17:37.600 --> 01:17:41.840
The ability exactly right keep them going. Now, we don't

1485
01:17:41.880 --> 01:17:43.600
have to experience something like we did with their rock

1486
01:17:43.720 --> 01:17:45.920
right when they were burning up their oil fields there.

1487
01:17:45.960 --> 01:17:47.760
But of course that was being done by their own people,

1488
01:17:48.119 --> 01:17:51.640
as Dam's people in that. So you know, I get that.

1489
01:17:52.479 --> 01:17:56.359
And this is the tough thing about executing a war

1490
01:17:56.640 --> 01:17:59.119
is that you've got to bring these people who are

1491
01:17:59.159 --> 01:18:02.079
in power to their knee. And as Trump said, this

1492
01:18:02.119 --> 01:18:05.880
isn't some sort of negotiated peace treaty. I mean, this

1493
01:18:05.920 --> 01:18:08.199
has got to be full and total.

1494
01:18:07.960 --> 01:18:13.800
Right, unconditional surrender. They give up, They just surrender to

1495
01:18:13.880 --> 01:18:16.600
the US. The US comes in, says the Iranian people,

1496
01:18:16.640 --> 01:18:20.039
pick your own leader. As long as it's somebody reasonable,

1497
01:18:20.239 --> 01:18:23.720
you'll be able to take control somehow. The US and

1498
01:18:24.000 --> 01:18:27.319
Israelis will make sure that the place is safe while

1499
01:18:27.359 --> 01:18:30.560
they do that. But what worries me a little bit.

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01:18:30.600 --> 01:18:36.520
I think there's hundreds of thousands of people that Iranian

1501
01:18:36.720 --> 01:18:40.039
National Guard, and Trump has told them lay down your

1502
01:18:40.079 --> 01:18:42.880
weapons or we're going to kill you. I think a

1503
01:18:42.960 --> 01:18:46.079
number of them are already starting to side with the people,

1504
01:18:46.520 --> 01:18:48.760
but we have to make it so they're not able

1505
01:18:48.840 --> 01:18:53.039
to go ahead and start shooting if anything happens.

1506
01:18:52.960 --> 01:18:55.359
Or either that or infiltrate in such a way that

1507
01:18:55.439 --> 01:19:00.079
it gives it takes away, like you say, the freedom

1508
01:19:00.199 --> 01:19:03.439
for a free and fair election there. Now my understanding

1509
01:19:03.600 --> 01:19:08.279
in my discussions with people there inside there is this

1510
01:19:08.399 --> 01:19:14.720
core group of people that want a democratic, operative government,

1511
01:19:15.319 --> 01:19:19.359
non nuclear. They want to be good neighbors for everybody.

1512
01:19:19.720 --> 01:19:22.119
I'm saying, well, hallelujah, you know, make that happen.

1513
01:19:22.800 --> 01:19:25.000
Yeah, So this has been a group, it's a coalition

1514
01:19:25.359 --> 01:19:30.560
of opposition leaders. They call themselves a shadow government. They're

1515
01:19:30.560 --> 01:19:34.000
operating I forget in what country, but somewhere out of Iran.

1516
01:19:34.560 --> 01:19:38.159
So they'd like to pick somebody and present that to

1517
01:19:38.199 --> 01:19:41.760
the Iranian people. The second choice is the Shah of

1518
01:19:41.800 --> 01:19:47.239
Iran's son. He's fairly popular there, so he may be

1519
01:19:47.359 --> 01:19:50.399
somebody to put in. But either way, anybody from those

1520
01:19:50.439 --> 01:19:54.319
two groups I think that will move toward a free

1521
01:19:54.319 --> 01:19:58.479
and fair election in Iran where they pick their own leaders,

1522
01:19:59.079 --> 01:20:02.319
will be acceptable to President Trump and acceptable to the

1523
01:20:02.319 --> 01:20:03.039
rest of the world.

1524
01:20:03.199 --> 01:20:06.079
Yeah, Like they say, they've experienced a monarchy. They don't

1525
01:20:06.119 --> 01:20:10.279
want a monarch. They've experienced a religious zealot. They don't

1526
01:20:10.279 --> 01:20:13.399
need another iatola. They want to, you know, go back

1527
01:20:13.439 --> 01:20:16.399
to where it was almost before even you know, before

1528
01:20:16.720 --> 01:20:20.479
the Shaw went overboard and got so arrogant and greedy,

1529
01:20:21.319 --> 01:20:24.199
there was some freedom, There was some democracy that was

1530
01:20:24.279 --> 01:20:26.479
in existence there. So they got a taste of it.

1531
01:20:26.479 --> 01:20:28.520
And of course they're seeing what's happening in America too.

1532
01:20:28.600 --> 01:20:30.720
I think America has been a you know, that shining

1533
01:20:30.800 --> 01:20:33.279
light on a hill even still, Michael, you know so,

1534
01:20:34.239 --> 01:20:36.600
you know, so we're blessed for that, and I think

1535
01:20:36.640 --> 01:20:38.800
other nations are being blessed for it as well. We

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01:20:38.880 --> 01:20:41.039
got to leave it there for now, Doctor Michael Butler,

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the public policy analyst, economics expert, and a professor of

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finance at Stockton University. Thank you, Michael, take care, appreciate

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Hey, we're back with you, Bill Martinez here. Great to

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have you with us. Glad you could join us. We've

1606
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got William Truex joining us. He's got a new book

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called Reality two point Oh. It's a revolutionary new look

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at the universe and life. William, Welcome on the show.

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Good to have you with us, Thanks very much, good

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to be here.

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Well, the question is what if the mysteries of quantum

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physics aren't paradoxes after all to be ignored, but clues

1613
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to a deeper model of reality. That's the question you ask. Well,

1614
01:24:52.439 --> 01:24:57.079
in your new book, you introduce what you call essentia theory.

1615
01:24:57.119 --> 01:25:01.439
It's a consciousness first framework that integrates logic, mathematics, modern

1616
01:25:01.479 --> 01:25:06.880
physics to explain the strange phenomena that materialism leaves unresolved.

1617
01:25:06.960 --> 01:25:09.000
Now that's a heck of a sentence, So I'm going

1618
01:25:09.039 --> 01:25:10.960
to give you plenty of time to break that down

1619
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and help our audience track with you.

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Okay, sure, think Well, basically, I got interested in atomic

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science some number of years ago, and, like anyone who

1622
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looks at this area, because it's really fundamental to the

1623
01:25:23.880 --> 01:25:26.800
way the universe is put together, you notice that there's

1624
01:25:26.800 --> 01:25:30.279
some holes in the information that just no one can resolve.

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01:25:30.520 --> 01:25:33.439
There's no models that can really resolve all of these things.

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01:25:33.680 --> 01:25:35.279
So I looked at it and looked at it over

1627
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a period of years, and one day I had what

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01:25:37.560 --> 01:25:40.159
you might call a flash of insight, and I thought well,

1629
01:25:40.199 --> 01:25:43.399
what if it's this. And part of the reason I

1630
01:25:43.439 --> 01:25:46.399
was able to do that, I think is because I

1631
01:25:46.439 --> 01:25:49.000
don't have what you would call a standard education, more

1632
01:25:49.039 --> 01:25:51.880
or less self educated. I was self educated in the law,

1633
01:25:52.640 --> 01:25:54.399
never went to law school, but I passed the bar

1634
01:25:55.000 --> 01:25:57.359
and various other things like that, and so I got

1635
01:25:57.359 --> 01:25:59.920
self educated here and that kind of helped me to

1636
01:26:00.199 --> 01:26:04.119
look outside the box that most people would be looking

1637
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in if they had been educated in these things. And

1638
01:26:07.239 --> 01:26:09.760
so I came up with a new idea and tried

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it out and it worked pretty well. So I thought, well, gee,

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01:26:12.279 --> 01:26:15.199
this is worth announcing because it has significance. It has

1641
01:26:15.239 --> 01:26:18.239
importance to people, and it's worth telling people about broadly,

1642
01:26:18.319 --> 01:26:21.399
rather than just telling the community of philosophers and scientists,

1643
01:26:21.399 --> 01:26:23.800
although there is something else I'm writing which will be

1644
01:26:24.000 --> 01:26:25.399
specifically for them.

1645
01:26:25.760 --> 01:26:28.279
Well, you said that mostly your self taught. But yet

1646
01:26:28.960 --> 01:26:32.880
I understand you're a Kumlani graduate in music with minors

1647
01:26:32.880 --> 01:26:35.560
in physics and philosophy, so it's not like you've been

1648
01:26:35.640 --> 01:26:39.800
devoid of any formal education. And the fact that music

1649
01:26:40.680 --> 01:26:44.239
was part of your education. How much of that played

1650
01:26:44.319 --> 01:26:46.239
into your epiphany.

1651
01:26:47.319 --> 01:26:50.199
I don't know a little bit. I suppose One comment

1652
01:26:50.239 --> 01:26:52.079
I made a few weeks ago was that you could

1653
01:26:52.079 --> 01:26:54.560
think of reality as being a denser form of music,

1654
01:26:55.399 --> 01:26:58.039
but from a technical point of view, really not very

1655
01:26:58.159 --> 01:27:03.479
much at all. The physics and philosophy which I learned,

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01:27:03.520 --> 01:27:06.640
I learned obviously, some of it in college as an undergrad.

1657
01:27:08.840 --> 01:27:11.119
I went to school in the sixties and seventies, and

1658
01:27:11.279 --> 01:27:13.760
the question comes up, well, how much did you really retain?

1659
01:27:15.640 --> 01:27:18.840
And so I learned a whole awful lot more later

1660
01:27:18.880 --> 01:27:20.680
in life than what I learned in college.

1661
01:27:21.319 --> 01:27:24.359
Well nothing else. I always say, William that it just

1662
01:27:25.840 --> 01:27:29.920
it drops seeds that left questions that later on came

1663
01:27:29.960 --> 01:27:32.439
out from underneath the soil. So strange, you know.

1664
01:27:32.560 --> 01:27:34.760
There you go, that's a good That fair, that's fair.

1665
01:27:35.199 --> 01:27:37.640
Yeah. So that's the way I feel my approach anyway,

1666
01:27:37.720 --> 01:27:40.600
So I can relate to what you're saying. But hey,

1667
01:27:40.640 --> 01:27:43.520
you know, because we're all I think the search for

1668
01:27:44.520 --> 01:27:48.199
understanding at least I appreciate that, you know, people who

1669
01:27:48.520 --> 01:27:53.039
take life seriously and are looking to the route to say, Okay,

1670
01:27:53.119 --> 01:27:55.680
what is this really all about? What's the rhyme and

1671
01:27:55.680 --> 01:27:56.760
reason of this universe?

1672
01:27:56.840 --> 01:28:00.720
Right? Yes? Yeah, And that's something that I found that

1673
01:28:00.960 --> 01:28:04.479
once you resolve these problems in quantum mechanics or atomic physics,

1674
01:28:04.680 --> 01:28:07.439
you could actually start getting at what does life mean?

1675
01:28:07.520 --> 01:28:10.479
What's it for? Why am I here? Because if you

1676
01:28:10.520 --> 01:28:13.359
look at the standard model that science tends to operate

1677
01:28:13.399 --> 01:28:15.680
and most scientists tend to operate on, you could call

1678
01:28:15.720 --> 01:28:19.359
it materialism. And I think Stephen Hawking once said something,

1679
01:28:19.479 --> 01:28:22.039
or it's attributed to him, that something to the effect of,

1680
01:28:22.399 --> 01:28:24.680
you know, we're just an organic scum on a third

1681
01:28:24.720 --> 01:28:27.439
rate planet in a far corner of a distant galaxy someplace.

1682
01:28:28.119 --> 01:28:30.239
And you know, if you have that sort of a viewpoint,

1683
01:28:30.279 --> 01:28:32.920
that we're just here for a little bit of time.

1684
01:28:32.960 --> 01:28:35.439
We come, we go, we leave the universe essentially a

1685
01:28:35.560 --> 01:28:37.600
change because it's a big, huge universe and wouldn't notice

1686
01:28:37.640 --> 01:28:41.119
this anyway. Then the question becomes, well, what meaning does

1687
01:28:41.159 --> 01:28:45.399
your life really have? The way I've looked at it,

1688
01:28:45.399 --> 01:28:49.800
and the way if you take the information from atomic

1689
01:28:49.840 --> 01:28:51.920
physics and you take logic, you take math, and you

1690
01:28:51.960 --> 01:28:56.199
look at it without bias, you come almost to the

1691
01:28:56.199 --> 01:29:02.039
inevitable conclusion that hey, we're spiritual beings and we're embodied

1692
01:29:02.479 --> 01:29:04.960
and we exist in this universe. But there's more to

1693
01:29:05.039 --> 01:29:09.039
us than just being educated animals, right. And once you

1694
01:29:09.119 --> 01:29:11.920
have that realization, you can start looking at different things.

1695
01:29:11.960 --> 01:29:15.960
You can start realizing things about meaning, about ethics, about happiness,

1696
01:29:16.199 --> 01:29:19.319
about how to live a life that's actually meaningful and fulfilling.

1697
01:29:19.840 --> 01:29:22.720
And these answers start unrolling for you and they start

1698
01:29:22.720 --> 01:29:25.000
coming out for you right well.

1699
01:29:25.079 --> 01:29:27.600
And the thing is is that you touch on something

1700
01:29:27.640 --> 01:29:30.960
significant here, and that is the realization that we are spiritual,

1701
01:29:31.560 --> 01:29:33.880
you know, So that means there's more to this life

1702
01:29:34.479 --> 01:29:36.159
than what we're experiencing right now.

1703
01:29:37.119 --> 01:29:42.079
Yes, definitely. I tend to think of materialism these days

1704
01:29:42.479 --> 01:29:46.520
as being something of a steampunk philosophy or a kind

1705
01:29:46.520 --> 01:29:49.039
of a leftover from the nineteenth century, which is where

1706
01:29:49.039 --> 01:29:52.960
it originally started and grew. We're in the twenty first

1707
01:29:52.960 --> 01:29:55.279
century now, and we need to come up with a

1708
01:29:55.279 --> 01:29:58.520
better model for what life is and how life operates,

1709
01:29:58.520 --> 01:30:01.520
and what this universe is and how it operates than

1710
01:30:01.920 --> 01:30:06.039
what was good back then. It's interesting because to some degree,

1711
01:30:06.119 --> 01:30:08.039
when you talk to people about it, it's a little

1712
01:30:08.039 --> 01:30:11.279
bit like being I don't know, an electrical engineer talking

1713
01:30:11.319 --> 01:30:14.720
to guys back in the eighteen hundreds who all they

1714
01:30:14.760 --> 01:30:17.319
know is that they have steam powers and locomotives, et cetera,

1715
01:30:17.319 --> 01:30:19.840
and so forth. You say, hey, there's these magical force fields.

1716
01:30:20.079 --> 01:30:22.880
You twirl a wire inside some magnets and you get

1717
01:30:22.920 --> 01:30:26.199
power out of it. It sounds weird and unreal to them,

1718
01:30:26.319 --> 01:30:28.199
but the fact is it's true.

1719
01:30:28.560 --> 01:30:30.760
William, Well, what do you think right now? In terms

1720
01:30:30.800 --> 01:30:34.560
of timing? As the universe continues to spin here, it

1721
01:30:34.640 --> 01:30:39.840
seems that there's been an acceleration for the intellect we

1722
01:30:39.840 --> 01:30:43.479
put it in that term. You know, we're questioning more

1723
01:30:44.439 --> 01:30:50.239
we have I don't know, maybe it's beyond just being inquisitive,

1724
01:30:50.560 --> 01:30:52.800
but we also have some other forces that seem to

1725
01:30:52.840 --> 01:30:58.960
be aligning with us to be smarter, to be better humanoids,

1726
01:30:59.039 --> 01:31:01.279
so to speak, in this temporary plane that we're in.

1727
01:31:02.159 --> 01:31:06.760
Yeah, well, the information is gradually coming together. I think

1728
01:31:07.119 --> 01:31:10.840
my book is probably just one manifestation of that, one

1729
01:31:10.920 --> 01:31:14.880
indication of it. Yeah, the data is coming together because

1730
01:31:16.640 --> 01:31:18.119
part of what I write about in the book is

1731
01:31:18.119 --> 01:31:21.640
that as human beings, we've been chasing knowledge for quite

1732
01:31:21.680 --> 01:31:24.520
a long time now, and as we've gone along, we've

1733
01:31:24.520 --> 01:31:26.880
gotten smarter and smarter and smarter. We've accumulated more and

1734
01:31:26.920 --> 01:31:30.840
more data, and we've finally gotten enough data together to

1735
01:31:30.880 --> 01:31:34.600
be able to solve the puzzle, or at least, you know,

1736
01:31:34.680 --> 01:31:36.720
open the door to being able to solve the puzzle.

1737
01:31:37.039 --> 01:31:39.600
And I think that probably happened something along the lines

1738
01:31:39.640 --> 01:31:42.199
of fifty or seventy five years ago, where we actually

1739
01:31:42.680 --> 01:31:47.279
finally using science, using religion, using philosophy, accumulated enough data

1740
01:31:47.319 --> 01:31:50.479
to say, oh, this is what it's all about. Up

1741
01:31:50.560 --> 01:31:53.520
until then. You take a look at philosophers like Aristotle

1742
01:31:53.560 --> 01:31:56.960
and these guys, they were making to some degree, educated guesses.

1743
01:31:57.520 --> 01:32:00.880
Now we have data and we can proceed that data

1744
01:32:01.279 --> 01:32:04.840
make logical conclusions and say, ah, that's the answer.

1745
01:32:05.439 --> 01:32:08.680
Are you seeing more harmony and these disciplines than ever before?

1746
01:32:08.680 --> 01:32:10.920
I mean, before, you know, somebody would you know, I'd

1747
01:32:10.920 --> 01:32:14.079
often say that we it's that old analogy of people

1748
01:32:14.119 --> 01:32:17.800
being blindfolded feeling different parts of the elephant. But there

1749
01:32:17.840 --> 01:32:21.079
was contention, there was no necessary agreement of what it was.

1750
01:32:21.119 --> 01:32:23.439
It was just hey, I'm feeling this, and you know.

1751
01:32:23.880 --> 01:32:26.239
But it just seems now that there seems to be

1752
01:32:26.319 --> 01:32:29.680
some harmony and some convergence of these different disciplines, that

1753
01:32:29.720 --> 01:32:33.119
people are realizing that science doesn't necessarily have to be

1754
01:32:33.159 --> 01:32:35.560
in conflict with you know, things of the spirit.

1755
01:32:36.760 --> 01:32:40.359
Indeed, in fact, I think the central point the book

1756
01:32:40.399 --> 01:32:44.439
makes is that science leads the way to the spirit.

1757
01:32:44.520 --> 01:32:46.880
If you actually take a look at the science and

1758
01:32:46.920 --> 01:32:50.359
the data and you're unbiased about it, the most rational

1759
01:32:50.399 --> 01:32:53.039
conclusion you can draw about it is that you're a

1760
01:32:53.039 --> 01:32:55.800
spiritual being and that you need to address this. This

1761
01:32:55.840 --> 01:32:59.279
is the most important thing you can do. Houses, cars,

1762
01:33:00.479 --> 01:33:03.680
things like that are they're nice. I mean, they're fun.

1763
01:33:04.239 --> 01:33:07.000
You know, it's good to have stuff, But the most

1764
01:33:07.039 --> 01:33:10.439
important reality of life really is spiritual and that should

1765
01:33:10.479 --> 01:33:12.399
be the most important thing that things that people are

1766
01:33:12.399 --> 01:33:15.640
worrying about before they get all wrapped up in the

1767
01:33:15.680 --> 01:33:19.079
material universe or they get wrapped up in power games

1768
01:33:19.159 --> 01:33:19.760
or things.

1769
01:33:19.640 --> 01:33:22.760
Like that, well, I say, the material things hold you down,

1770
01:33:23.840 --> 01:33:27.279
and if you're looking for elevation, you can't be you

1771
01:33:27.319 --> 01:33:29.319
can't be held down the things that are of this

1772
01:33:29.359 --> 01:33:31.640
mortal world. You know, It's like I was sharing with

1773
01:33:31.640 --> 01:33:34.920
somebody last week. I said to Hi, thank God, thank

1774
01:33:34.960 --> 01:33:37.880
God we're mortal. You know that this too, well, this

1775
01:33:37.960 --> 01:33:40.039
too will pass. So it's not gonna last forever.

1776
01:33:39.920 --> 01:33:45.319
Right, uh huh, yeah, this too will pass. But fortunately

1777
01:33:45.479 --> 01:33:47.840
you know now that we have the data that we

1778
01:33:47.920 --> 01:33:50.000
can kind of figure a way out. We can figure

1779
01:33:50.039 --> 01:33:53.239
what is important and why it's important. I think that's

1780
01:33:53.319 --> 01:33:57.119
another thing that's really really to me important about the

1781
01:33:57.119 --> 01:33:59.399
book is that it gives you an idea, For example,

1782
01:33:59.399 --> 01:34:03.239
with ethics, why is ethics important? You know, because ethical

1783
01:34:03.279 --> 01:34:06.960
systems have come down to us through various religions, various times,

1784
01:34:07.760 --> 01:34:10.920
and right now in society in general, people tend to

1785
01:34:10.960 --> 01:34:13.880
view ethics or morals as being a way to cut

1786
01:34:13.920 --> 01:34:17.359
into your fun, or some archaic rules that are left

1787
01:34:17.399 --> 01:34:20.119
over from a previous civilization, or some stupid arbitrary things

1788
01:34:20.119 --> 01:34:22.159
that you should shouldn't really pay too much attention to,

1789
01:34:22.600 --> 01:34:26.319
or perhaps the idea that, oh, we're redoing ethics in

1790
01:34:26.720 --> 01:34:31.760
a new way. Well, actually, ethics have properly thought out.

1791
01:34:32.279 --> 01:34:33.720
It's just rules for behavior.

1792
01:34:34.239 --> 01:34:35.800
It's a constant, isn't it.

1793
01:34:36.159 --> 01:34:38.600
Yeah, it's a constant. It's a rule. It's a set

1794
01:34:38.640 --> 01:34:41.079
of rules for behavior that lead to a happy life.

1795
01:34:41.119 --> 01:34:43.960
You could say that ethics and morals are the technology

1796
01:34:43.960 --> 01:34:46.920
you have happiness. You can really genuinely make that case.

1797
01:34:47.279 --> 01:34:49.600
It's like, you do this, you will end up a

1798
01:34:49.600 --> 01:34:52.720
better being, You'll end up a happier person. You do that,

1799
01:34:52.920 --> 01:34:55.000
you go down to dead end. I did an interview

1800
01:34:55.000 --> 01:34:57.039
the other day where I mentioned that, you know, I

1801
01:34:57.079 --> 01:34:59.039
grew up in the sixties and so I've been down

1802
01:34:59.119 --> 01:35:02.920
my share of dead end I've experienced them personally. And

1803
01:35:03.920 --> 01:35:05.640
you don't have to go down to the dead ends.

1804
01:35:05.720 --> 01:35:08.159
There is a road that actually leads out, and it

1805
01:35:08.239 --> 01:35:12.319
leads through spiritual practice, it leads through religion. This is

1806
01:35:12.359 --> 01:35:14.840
something that each person needs to sort out from themselves,

1807
01:35:14.840 --> 01:35:16.039
but there are ways out.

1808
01:35:17.039 --> 01:35:19.199
Well, we've got a little less than a minute left.

1809
01:35:20.119 --> 01:35:21.720
I could be talking to you for a long time.

1810
01:35:21.800 --> 01:35:24.279
I mean, this is fascinating to me, and I really

1811
01:35:24.359 --> 01:35:27.479
appreciate all the great work you've done here. What do

1812
01:35:27.479 --> 01:35:31.000
you want our audience to take away outside of the

1813
01:35:31.000 --> 01:35:33.560
fact that they need to get their hands on your book.

1814
01:35:34.479 --> 01:35:37.119
Yeah, they should read the book. But I think probably

1815
01:35:37.119 --> 01:35:40.640
the most significant datum is, as we hear so much

1816
01:35:40.680 --> 01:35:45.199
these days, follow the science, and that's where the science lead.

1817
01:35:45.279 --> 01:35:49.520
The science leads to you recognizing that you're a spiritual being,

1818
01:35:49.920 --> 01:35:53.399
that you have some eternal life, and you need to

1819
01:35:53.439 --> 01:35:56.319
get that sorted out, because if you can sort that out,

1820
01:35:56.680 --> 01:35:58.800
you can find the road to happiness, you can find

1821
01:35:58.800 --> 01:36:00.560
the road to meaning and fulfillm.

1822
01:36:00.079 --> 01:36:02.479
It and I like what you said earlier, and I

1823
01:36:02.479 --> 01:36:06.560
want to bring that back. Follow the science objectively as

1824
01:36:07.159 --> 01:36:10.319
much as you can without bias. Right, Yes, I think

1825
01:36:10.359 --> 01:36:11.039
that's important.

1826
01:36:11.560 --> 01:36:14.520
Follow it without bias because if you do, it leads

1827
01:36:14.520 --> 01:36:15.600
to a whole new universe.

1828
01:36:16.439 --> 01:36:19.079
Yeah, and you'll discover the truth. Yes, and you'll be

1829
01:36:19.119 --> 01:36:24.920
set free. William trueats He brings a multi multidisciplinary background

1830
01:36:24.960 --> 01:36:27.479
to his work. A Kumlai graduate, as I mentioned earlier,

1831
01:36:27.479 --> 01:36:30.399
in music and minors and physics and philosophy and enrolled

1832
01:36:30.439 --> 01:36:33.439
member of the Saint Regis Mahawk tribe, approaches science with

1833
01:36:33.479 --> 01:36:37.600
both analytical discipline and cross cultural insight. And the author

1834
01:36:37.600 --> 01:36:40.680
of the book that you that we've been talking about

1835
01:36:40.880 --> 01:36:43.239
reality two point oh, William, thank you for being with us.

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01:36:43.279 --> 01:36:45.880
Take care okay, thanks very much, Bil, I appreciate it.

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Well, welcome back America. Glad you could join us. I'm

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Bill Martinez. For more information on the show, you look

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at Bill Martinez Live dot com. You know, March is

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National Kidney Month? Did you know that? And there's some

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things you should know about kidney stones And we're going

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to have an award winning eurologic surgeon here to talk

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about the signs risked and groundbreaking new treatment, and also

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a patient to share her experiences as well. You know,

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more than five hundred thousand people go to the emergency

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room due to kidney stones each year, and approximately ten

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percent of people will have a kidney stone at some

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point in their lives. Kidney stones are a painful condition

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that occurs when hard mineral deposits form in the kidneys,

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often causing severe discomfort and urinary symptoms. While small stones

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may pass on their own, others require medical treatment to

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prevent complications. Here with us to tell us more about

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it is the eurologic surgeon Jared Winnaker and Crystal Jefferson

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who's here to talk about her experience with kidney stones

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and the symptoms to look out for if you might

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have them. Doctor, what actually are kidney stones?

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Kidney stones are actual rocks. They are a rock form

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from the minerals that are typically dissolved in your urine.

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These are stones that when they block the kidney, they

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can cause symptoms things like severe pain sometimes described as

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the worst pain in the world, blood in the urine, nausea, vomiting, etc.

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And we do also sometimes detect these stones incidentally on

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imaging up in the kidney before they cause problems, giving

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us an opportunity to treat sooner. Unfortunately, they're very common.

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One in ten people will be affected by a kidney

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stone in their lifetime and that affects people of all

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ages and genders.

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Doctor, what treatment options are available today and how is

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the new sea vACC THEAC system changing the patient experience.

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When it comes to treatment of the stones. While small

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stones we can try and let pass conservatively, there are

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a number of really great minimally invasive options out there.

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These treatments are designed to effectively break up the stone,

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however not necessarily remove the stone fragments, and therefore, unfortunately,

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many of these procedures do lead pieces behind that can

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cause problems themselves. Advances in our field have made way

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for some great technology, perhaps none as exciting as the

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Seavac system. The SEABAC briefly is an all in one,

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extremely minily evasive option where we can go into the

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kidney and dyscopically. That means no incisions anywhere we break

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up the stone. And what's really exciting about it is

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it allows us to suction those pieces out. We can

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vacuum and clean out the kidney of those pieces that

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could otherwise potentially be left behind, and it's really been

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a great game changer in my personal practice and for

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my patients.

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Well.

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Crystal Jefferson is a patient from New Jersey who struggle

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with kidney stones brought her to the New York based

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urologist doctor Winnaker for a breakthrough treatment. Her debilitating kidney

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stones caused significant pain and facing limited relief from traditional treatments,

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she became one of the first treated with the Seaback system. Well.

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Crystal tell us about your experience living with kidney stones.

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In two thousand and nine, I had a kidney stone

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I did to the er vomiting and an excruciating pain.

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I've been played with kidney stones for a while. I

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just had difficulty doing basic things I used to do

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all the time, which was standing up, cooking for long

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periods of time, as well as driving for long periods

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of time. I had extreme discomfort. I knew something was

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wrong and I really needed to seek out help.

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Well, Crystal, what was it like undergoing treatment with the

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SAVAC system and what would you tell others going through this?

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Undergoing treatment with the sea VAC system was just as

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doctor Winnaker explained. It was the Swiss Army knife of

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kidney stone tools. The procedure took about two hours. I

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was not admitted to the hospital. I didn't have to be,

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but I did have anesthesia. My recovery period was very

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fast for me. I now after having the procedure, can

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stand for long periods of time and I can drive

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for long periods of time. Some equality of life improved.

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We've been talking with Crystal Jefferson, patient from New Jersey

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who struggled with kidney stones. Brought her to the New

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York based eurologist, doctor Winnaker, as I mentioned in early

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for this breakthrough treatment, and of course remember March's National

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Kidney Month, and we're grateful for doctor Winnaker, and also

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for Crystal coming on the show and talking about kidney

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stones and the signs risked and groundbreaking new treatment. Well,

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doctor Winnaker, where can the folks go for more information?

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For those looking for more information, of course, speaks to

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a healthcare professionals such as a urologist. And if you're

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looking to get a personal headstart on some of that information,

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you can visit a great website called shorewith Seaback dot

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com which has wonderful information not just on Seavack but

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kidney stone treatments in general.

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Well, again, I wanted to thank our guests, doctor Jared Winnaker,

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new York based urologist, and the kidney stone patient Crystal Jefferson.

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I'll tell you I personally, I haven't had to deal

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with kidney stones. I had a dear friend. He he

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grew him like kidney beans like you. I don't know

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if that's even a proper metaphor to use, but he

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was always coming up with kidney stones and you know,

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and so I could vicariously, I guess not so appreciate

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the pain and suffering that he went through. But I mean,

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some good stuff here, and hopefully this will help you

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if you've been dealing with kidney stones, and after all,

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March's National Kidney Month, like you need to be reminded

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about how painful kidney stones are. But hey, look at

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there's some relief there with the information that Doctor Whittaker

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has show has shared with us. I also got a

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couple of minutes here and I wanted to give you

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an update on the show, and I want to thank

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you all for supporting us, and you've been so faithful

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in doing it. And over the next couple of weeks

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we're going to be focusing on, you know, some fundraising

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and I hope you don't mind. I mean really need

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your help and we're grateful, you know, for your support

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all along. I mean, gosh, we've been doing this show

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now for it seems like actually fifteen sixteen years now,

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ever since I got out of Bible College, and I

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felt like God was leading me back behind the microphone.

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As you know from my background, you know, I started

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in the radio business early and was in the Marine Corps.

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And I served in the Marine Corps, did my version

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of Camp Pendleton. You know, if you remember good Morning

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Camp Pendleton or Good Morning Vietnam, just not as funny

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clearly as Robin Williams. I probably would have gotten discharged

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dishonorably had I done anything close to what Robin Williams

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did and Good Morning Vietnam. But nonetheless, I was very

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privileged to serve and I just am a proud Marine

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and just proud of my service during the Vietnam era.

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My two other brothers were dealing with, you know, Vietnam,

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and I would have been the third one.

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That's what they told me.

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And so I ended up staying stateside during my service

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in the Marines. But anyway, all that being said and done,

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you know that just added some dimension experience to my career.

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And went on to work in LA Radio and just

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had the time of my life. And you know, then

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after that and I worked with radio stations, built sales teams,

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and you know, and then went to Bible College. And

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coming out of Bible College, I felt like God was saying, hey,

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get behind the microphone again. I thought, well, what to

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01:48:16.880 --> 01:48:19.159
be a juvenile and play music. Now, it wasn't that

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01:48:19.199 --> 01:48:21.800
it was to do a show like this show, a

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01:48:21.840 --> 01:48:24.359
show that was committed to the truth, because even then

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I could see that the whole idea and concept of

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01:48:27.319 --> 01:48:30.840
truth was waning. I mean, there were studies and polling

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evidence indicating that America was letting go of the truth.

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And little did I realize even at that time, even

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though feeling that God was directing me in this direction,

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was that What I've come to conclude is the truth

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is directly connected with God himself, and that the further

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way we moved from God, the further we may move

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away from truth. This is, I believe, is why you

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01:48:55.479 --> 01:48:58.439
can begin to explain and understand why America is in

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01:48:58.520 --> 01:49:01.399
such chaos today. We don't know which bathroom to use,

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you know, girls playing in boys sports, boys playing in

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girls sports, all this upside down world, you know, the

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trans movement. I mean, this is just unconsciable what has

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happened to our culture. But you know, hey, look at

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the Bible warned us that this would happen, that we

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would have days like this as we moved away from

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the truth that you know, we wanted to see things

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according to our own mind. Well, fine, you know there's

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a price to be paid for that, and you know

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we are paying that price, and we're passing it on

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to the next generation sadly, but hopefully you know the efforts,

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through the efforts of what we're doing, and also this

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movement of repentance and religion, the way it's growing and

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people coming back to church in that maybe we can

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stop this decline, maybe hit the pause button for a

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while and give the next generation a leg up. All

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this to say is that we know we're committed. We're

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committed to the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but

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and biblical values, a biblical worldview, okay, because a world

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viewed determines your behavior. And so I thank you for

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joining our listeners supported campaign for Truth and Liberty, and

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I thank you in advance for your support. God bless you.

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