Sept. 18, 2026
The Bill Martinez Show 09 18 26
The Bill Martinez Show 09 18 26
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Are you ready?
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Yeah.
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Okay, let's do it.
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Bill Martinez Live, a program about current events, our culture,
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our values, our politics, and our future.
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And now, Bill Martinez.
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Hey, good morning.
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We're back with you. Bill Martinez here. And we've got Dr.
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Issa Gabla joining us, a former Muslim and a global broadcaster.
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She's an expert on Sharia, Iran, Islam, and religious freedom.
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Dr.
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Gabla, great to have you back. How are you?
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I'm doing great. Thank you, Bill, for having me back.
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Well, I'll tell you, our audience so enjoyed you the
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last time you were here. And when I told them
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you were coming, they said, oh, let us know when.
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And so, you know, so we've been looking forward to this.
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You know, as a former Muslim from Turkey, you know,
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we talked about this the first time, but maybe it
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might be good for, you know, the new people who
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are just finding out about you and in our audience
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to understand your background. Give them a taste of your background,
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if you would.
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Of course. Bill, I was born in Istanbul, Turkey, in
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a devout Muslim home. I had devout Muslims, secular Muslims,
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and radical Sharia law-believing Muslims in my family. It was
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a very dysfunctional home with a lot of abuse, turmoil, hatred.
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And I grew up brainwashed against infidels, Christians, and Jews.
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I went to Koran courses, brainwashed, believing that Jews.
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Israel and America were the biggest devils, and all the
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problems in the world were originated from America and Israel.
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I hated them with all my heart, and I grew
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up in a very terrible environment for a child. During
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the Civil War years, seeing arms and legs flying in
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the air, people kill each other in front of my
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eyes when I was six years old, seven years old.
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So my list of trauma is very, very long. And
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then later on, I fled to America from a radical
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Muslim man who was trying to kill me. And when
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I came to America, I was suicidal. I was in
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a free country, but didn't know anything about freedom and
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didn't know my identity.
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I even evangelized with Koran in.
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Miami, but.
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All these experiences, traumatic experiences brought me to a place
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of suicide. Making the long story short, on the day
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I was going to commit suicide, my Christian boss led
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me to Christ. And Jesus turned my life upside down.
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And I have changed, new creation in Christ since then.
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What was it that he said to you? Because one
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of the things that I hear a lot, Dr. Abla,
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is that... You know, Muslims will come to Christ usually
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as a result of a dream. You're one of the
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few stories that I hear where there was a conversation
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and there were words that touched your heart and opened
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up your eyes. What was it that he said to
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you that opened up your eyes to understand and begin
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to embrace Jesus?
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Great question, Bill, because I had dreams and visions about
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Jesus when I was a little girl, too. So those,
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of course, implanted great seeds in my heart and mind.
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However, on the day I.
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Was going to commit suicide, my boss called me to
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his office after I cried my heart out in the
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ladies' room at workplace. And he said to me, Jesus
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knows about your suicide plans.
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And he knows everything.
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All about your childhood, IÅık. He never forsaken you nor
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abandoned you. So He directly was speaking through the leading
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of the Holy Spirit into my heart. And at that
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very moment, Bill, I didn't know theology. I couldn't explain Trinity.
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I couldn't explain how Jesus could be the Son of God.
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I believed all my life until that point. Jesus was
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a prophet. But I knew through His words. Jesus was
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in the room. He was real. And he was the
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only way to heaven.
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And I said, yes.
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Well, how did your boss know about your contemplating suicide?
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Had you shared that with him before?
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No, not at all.
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This was a word of knowledge for him.
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Absolutely, 100%.
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God revealed him what I was about to do.
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Wow.
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Well, and so here, I mean, you turn a complete 180.
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Yes, I did.
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Well, and the thing is, you know, as you're growing up,
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as you say, you've been indoctrinated. And this is, you know,
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your story is very typical of children who are raised
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in Muslim families. You know, here you are. I mean,
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we've been told it's a religion of peace, but yet
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you hear all this hatred, and it's hard to reconcile
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the hatred with the peace. You know, the only thing
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that God says that we should hate is evil, but
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he doesn't say we should hate other people.
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Correct. Correct.
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Well, I have this phrase from Corrie Ten Boom.
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She said, if people can be taught to hate, they
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can be taught to love. And I think Jesus taught
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me his love.
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He taught me.
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He was my mentor, and he discipled me alongside with
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the church body of Christ, of course. But my heart
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changed at that very moment, number one.
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But it kept.
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Changing over time. God started transforming me through a process.
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But on the day of suicide, the darkest day turned
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into my best day of my life.
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Also, I was filled with love for people.
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First week to my salvation, I started leading people to
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Christ without knowing any scriptures.
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Right.
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Yeah, because you didn't have to. It's like the blind man.
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Exactly.
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You know, he doesn't know. He doesn't understand. He says,
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all I know I was, now I am.
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Right?
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Yes, that's all I had.
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I love that. That is so awesome. So, yeah, you
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can't help. And see, that is a true redemptive story.
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You know, some people can, you know, they just they
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kind of fake it or whatever, but it's really not genuine.
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And it's unfortunate because, you know, because they miss out.
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In the genuineness of what Christianity is all about. But
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for you, it has transformed you. So did you have
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any further connection with your family? I mean, all of
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a sudden you've made this radical conversion. What did your family,
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at least the ones you were in touch with, what
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did they think?
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Oh my gosh, I was a loser in my family's eyes.
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I became an infidel. They didn't want to talk to me.
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My parents were so hateful towards me.
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But then I was.
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Going to speak at a church in Turkey at a conference.
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My father came to an Armenian church, which his family
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was part of the genocide, Armenian genocide, and burned 15
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Armenians to stake, my father's family. And he came to
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Armenian church to protect me from the minorities, imagine that.
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And when I was.
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Speaking on Naaman's leprosy, my father threw himself to the
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altars and wept bitterly and received Christ Jesus gloriously.
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And he became a changed man.
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And then he passed away to be with the Lord
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three years ago. My mom came with her burqa to
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America with.
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Two suitcases, almost 80 years old built.
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And after she came in this studio, when I was
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preaching the good news to the Muslim nations, she received
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Christ gloriously. Three weeks after she came here with her burqa,
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she threw her burqa and she gave her life to Jesus.
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Well, you know, and this is the thing that I
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guess Muslims underestimate. I think we all underestimate. And that
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is the clear contrast with God or without God, right?
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Yes. Yes, absolutely.
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Absolutely.
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I was worshiping a God who told me to kill
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and die in his name. And I worship a God
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right now who died for me.
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That is the contrast, biggest contrast. One tells his people,
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kill your enemies.
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The other one tells to us, love your enemies. And
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through that word, loving my enemies, I led terrorists to
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Jesus Christ because his word is powerful.
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Look, I mean, you think about this.
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I mean, you.
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have led terrorists to Christ. I know it's incomprehensible for
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people to consider, but the fact of the matter is
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that's how powerful the truth of Jesus Christ is, isn't it?
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Absolutely.
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He is the word.
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And when we speak the word to people, we are
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actually giving them peace of Jesus. And he couldn't deny it.
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And he wanted to kill me, this man. He was
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after me to kill me. And he was going to
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assassinate me. But when he heard, my Jesus says, love
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your enemies. You want to kill me, but I love
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you in Christ. And that was the beginning of his salvation.
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Got to go to a quick break. We've got more
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