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Sept. 17, 2026

The Bill Martinez Show 09 17 26

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Are you ready?

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Yeah.

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Okay, let's do it.

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Bill Martinez Live, a program about current events, our culture,

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our values, our politics, and our future.

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And now, Bill Martinez.

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Hey, good morning. Good to have you with us. Bill

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Martinez here, and Rabbi Jonathan Cahn is going to be

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joining us in just a few moments. His brand new book,

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The Altar of Pergamon, The Mystery of the Dark Angel

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and the Future of the World. So get ready. Put

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on your helmets and your seatbelts because we're in for

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an exciting ride. Rabbi, good to have you with us.

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Always great to be with you, Bill.

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Well, just a little bit of background. If you don't mind,

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I'm going to brag on you for just a moment.

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Rabbi Jonathan Cahn has caused worldwide stir with the release

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of his explosive first book, The Harbinger, which became an

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instant New York Times bestseller, brought him to national and

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international prominence. Every one of his books since then has

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become a New York Times bestseller, including The Mystery of

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the Shemitah, The Book of Mysteries, The Paradigm, The Oracle,

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Harbinger II, The Return of the Gods, Josiah Manifesto, Dragon's Prophecy,

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and The Avatar. Each one opens up deep or long-hidden

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mysteries that are unfolding and manifesting in our time. He

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has spoken at the United Nations on Capitol Hill, to

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members of Congress, to millions around the world. And suffice

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it to say, when the rabbi speaks, people listen. Jonathan,

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good to have you with us.

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Always, it's always a blessing, Bill. And when you speak,

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people listen too.

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But I'll tell you, Jonathan, it's just, you know, every

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time you come on and with every revelation, I mean,

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you have no idea what an answer to prayer you've

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become in my life. Because when I came out of

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Bible college and felt like God was calling me back

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behind the microphone, because I'd been behind the microphone as

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a juvenile playing records and taking dedications and doing that

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sort of thing as a radio personality in Los Angeles.

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But after Bible college, God says, no, I want you

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behind the microphone again. And I want you to focus

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on a biblical worldview and pursuit of the truth. And

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I said, okay, where am I going to find that?

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Because I had already been given information that many of

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the senior pastors in the churches today, I think at

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that time, according to George Barna, was down to about

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only 56% held to a biblical worldview. And that was, what,

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about 20 years ago. And it's been declining since. So

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when you came into my life, it was like, ha,

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I mean, You were an answer to prayer because what

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I was also looking for, and I said, God, how

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about revelation? I want to feel like I'm talking to

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somebody who's been in the throne room with you and

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has gotten direct revelation that the people need to hear

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for a time such as this. And here comes Rabbi

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Jonathan Cahn.

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Oh, well, thank you, Bill. You know, I'm really blessed.

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I'm blessed to hear, you know, what you're saying. If

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it can be of an encouragement, thank you. I'm very honored.

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Well, God has used you for this time. And, you know, again,

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starting with the Harbinger and what you did with the Harbinger,

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how you revealed mysteries and unfolded in Isaiah 9. I mean,

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it was just phenomenal what you did. And it was

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no wonder why that book became an instant New York

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Times bestseller. And you've been on a roll ever since.

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And it's just like, you know, God is continuing to

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speak to you, through you, to reveal to us things

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that are so critical for these, as even Billy Graham

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would say, are the last of the last days.

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Yeah. Well, you know, there's no end to God. There's

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no end to his revelation. We just have to be open.

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You know, I'm honored. I'm the first one, Bill, to

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be blown away. You know, I'm the first one to say, wow, Lord.

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And on one hand, I'm not surprised because he never disappoints.

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There's always more. But on the other hand, I'm still

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blown away. Lord, you're amazing.

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Right.

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Well, give us the background to The Altar of Pergamon.

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Yeah, this is, you know, this is the 11th book, Bill.

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And I think I've been on with you with every book,

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you know.

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Yes, exactly. Yes.

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And this is a colossal, colossal, gigantic mystery that's so big,

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it's literally altered everything. the history of the world, not once,

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but again and again. Could there be this mystery and

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an object? I mean, it almost sounds like Indiana Jones

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or it sounds like Lord of the Rings or Da

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Vinci Code, but it's real. And could there be this

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object linked to behind everything from the rise of Adolf

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Hitler The World War I, World War II, the rise

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of Marxism, communism, the Cold War, the one world order

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we're seeing, globalization, what we're seeing happening in America, the apostasy.

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and the West, even the internet is linked to it.

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Could there be even an American leader who is linked

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to this thing called the throne of Satan here? And

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the answer is there is. And in fact, this mystery,

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I mean, it's so big that it has literally impacted

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everybody who's watching right now. Your life has been impacted

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by this. And I'll just tell you one thing before

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we get into the the actual mystery, is I was

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led to write it as I did the Harbinger with

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a story to make it easy to just like, you

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don't even realize it and you're getting, you know, but

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what's revealed is real. The story part, I'm doing it

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that not only to get the revelation out, but also

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that people can give it to their unsaved people, loved

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ones and people in their life. Because people will say, oh.

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Wow, cool.

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It doesn't matter where they're at. Like, oh, wow, is

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it cool? It's like Indiana Jones, like Da Vinci. And

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it's going to lead to salvation. So that's my hope

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as well, to get in getting this mystery out, not

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only for God's people, but they can get it to

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get their people saved.

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Well, you know, when you said that, you know, that

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you did wrap it in a story, because as I

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was reading this, that's what I thought of Harbinger. you know,

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it was of that kind of same genre and that

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writing style that's very comfortable and the way you bring

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it and it adds life to it as opposed to

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just saying, well, here's, let me just give you the

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nuts and bolts, you know, right?

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Yeah, yeah. And I think, you know, I think that,

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you know, I think actually this, I don't know how

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far you got in it. I'm really glad that you started. Oh, no.

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But the thing is that I think there's more story

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in this than I've ever had. And also, but at

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the same time, there's more revelation because when we looked

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at this, I think there's like at least 200 mysteries

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that are going to be unfolded in the Altar of Pergamon.

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And for those who don't know, the subtitle, just to

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give you a little taste of it, it's the mystery

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of the dark angel and the future of the world.

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And so this is unveiling it, but it's through this

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man who is a skeptic who comes across this ancient,

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this page of this cryptic, book, and he has to

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go across the world to journey to unlock it with

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someone else, with a woman who's actually a believer. And

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there's danger, and there's all that mystery, but it's ultimately leading,

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not only it's opening the mystery, it's leading the reader

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to salvation if they don't know the Lord.

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Right, exactly. So the altar of Pergamon, its actual reveal,

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what does it reveal?

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Yeah.

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Well, it's that, and it begins with, in Isaiah, he

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quotes Satan saying, I will exalt my throne. I'll lift

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up my throne. I'll be like God. Well, in Revelation,

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it's the other place that talks about the throne of Satan.

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And it says in Pergamon, it says to the church

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of Pergamon, it says where the throne of Satan is.

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Now that's pretty strong. I mean, there's a place on

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earth with the throne of Satan. So what's that about? Well,

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I just came back from Pergamon. I've never been there

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in my life. Um, and they have a high place

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of Pergamon and on the high place is, was called

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the great altar. And this was almost like, it's like,

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it was almost like the epitome of the, of the

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pagan world. It was an altar to the king of

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the gods, Zeus, but that's, you know, Satan's behind all that. Um,

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and it was really, it really embodied, it was the,

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it was the biggest altar the Greeks ever built on earth.

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It's gigantic. Um, and the thing is throne of Satan,

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The gospel comes into the world. People start abandoning the

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pagan world. They abandon the throne. The throne of Satan

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or the altar of Pergamon falls into ruins. And it's

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buried for almost 2,000 years. But what would happen if

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someone would come there and start uncovering the throne of Satan?

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And the thing is, it happened. It happened. And when

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it happened, what happens is that things start happening and

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changing in the world.

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Well, stay right there. We've got more from Jonathan Cahn

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after this.

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A new study finds a major increase in STEM learning

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with children in after-school say STEM is available, up from

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You know, we're talking with Jonathan Cahn, Rabbi Jonathan Cahn,

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his new book, The Altar of Pergamon, which is soon

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to be released as of this record date. You may

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hear this and realize that it's already been released because

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the official release date is September the 1st, right?

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Yeah, yeah.

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And even if people are hearing this before, you can

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go online and pre-order it because right now it's going

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to be coming out any second, you know. So yes,

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it's coming out basically. So yeah. And, and the thing

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is that, that, so the guy who, who stumbles on

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the altar doesn't even know what it, it doesn't even

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know it's the throne of Satan. And what he does

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is he takes two pieces and he sends them back

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to his homeland and his homeland is going to be

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joined to the throne of Satan. What's the homeland? It's Germany.

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So Germany is going to have, is going to be

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linked to them. I think about this. I mean, Think ahead,

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you know, Germany. Okay. Now, now the thing is that

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people don't know Germany didn't even exist. Germany only came

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into the world as a nation in 1871, 1871 is

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the year that the throne of Satan came back into

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the world. So, so at the same moment, the, all the, the,

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the altar comes back, Germany comes into the world and

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Germany is going to be used as, as, as we're

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going to see.

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Right.

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Well, exactly.

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And as we, as we recall, Certainly how in two

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world wars, right?

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Oh, everything. You know, yeah. I mean, this, this thing

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and more than that. I mean, yes. And, and, and

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not just Germany, Berlin, where they're, where the throne of

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Satan is going to be moved to. So, I mean,

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and that it's behind everything. I mean, it's, it's, we're

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going to see that.

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Yes.

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So, so what happens is not only say something else

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at the same time, that the altar, that first pieces

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go back, 1871. Another German is digging in the same region,

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and he's searching for the lost city of Troy. His

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name was Heinrich Schliemann. And he comes across an ancient sign.

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He comes across about 2,000 versions of this ancient sign.

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And this ancient sign becomes a sensation. And in Germany particularly,

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what sign was it? It was the swastika. The swastika

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came into the world in this mass form at the

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same moment that the throne of Satan came back into

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the world and Germany came into the world. It's all

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like a setup for what's going to happen.

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So when you say that this sign, and this was

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a literal sign that was dug up.

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Almost 2,000 swastikas in stone, in engravings. Yeah, the swastika

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is an ancient sign. It's a pagan sign, ancient, but

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it's unearthed as the altar is, as the throne of

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Satan is.

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What was the origination? I mean, you're talking a sign now,

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fast forward 2,000 years, and all of a sudden now

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you've got hundreds of swastikas that come out of this digging.

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What was the origination of the swastika?

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The swastika is an ancient symbol. I mean, similar, listen,

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similar is the cross. I mean, you know, people were

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making crosses because this is basic. But swastika was an

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ancient pagan or occultic symbol that you find in India.

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But you also find it, I mean, in pagan lands.

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You find it among the Greeks. You find it among...

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the Nordic or Germanic peoples. So it's this ancient pagan

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sign that becomes the sign of demonic, of satanic work.

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I was going to say, was there a demonic connection

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to it?

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Well, it's pagan, number one, and occultic. Yeah.

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So then that would, because it's anti-God.

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Yeah, totally. And, I mean, some people make note that

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the swastika is a broken cross. It's a cross that's

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been broken on edge. Well, the thing is that, now,

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that's in 1871. A few years later, Germany comes to

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Pergamon to actually dig up the throne of Satan and

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take it.

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Now, did they understand it as the throne of Satan

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at that time?

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I don't think so. I don't think most of them

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were reading their Bible. I think they took it simply... Well,

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first of all, when the guy, his name was Karl Humann,

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sends the pieces to Germany, the first pieces... He doesn't

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even know what it is. Soon they realize it's the

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altar of Pergamon because the ancient world speaks about that altar.

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Yes, right.

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But they still are not getting that this is the

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throne of Satan. You know, this is linked to Satan

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and Revelation. And so if they knew that, would they

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have done this? I don't know. But they dig it up. And,

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you know, it takes a few years to dig it up.

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And this is again, like Indiana Jones. They put the

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pieces in crates. They put them on animals. Then they go,

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they put them onto ships and the ships sail across

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the sea. They go to Germany. They put them on trains.

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They go to Berlin. So now they've moved. They all

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think about it. I mean, the throne of Satan has

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moved from Pergamon to Berlin, Germany. Okay. And now the

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thing is that the, that's 1878 when they start digging

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it up. 1878, 79 is when the first pieces come

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to Germany. So the amazing thing is something else comes

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to Germany. You know, one people, the devil hates all

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of God's people, but the devil has a special hatred

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for the Jewish people because he knows, you know.

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Yes, right.

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God called them into being to fulfill his purposes, bring

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the Bible, bring Messiah, bring the kingdom which will come.

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So the enemy is going to try to destroy them,

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of course. I mean, it makes perfect sense. And so

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something happens in Germany when the throne of Satan gets

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to Germany. And what happens, the same moment, this is 1878, 1879,

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the same moment it comes to Germany, a word comes

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into the world, and the word is anti-Semitism. First time,

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it didn't exist before. The anti-Semitism has always been hatred,

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but anti-Semitism is a modern manifestation, a movement. And it

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comes in, it's born in the land, when the altar

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comes to Germany, it's born in Germany, and it's born

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at the exact moment. And so it spreads throughout Germany.

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And something else, you were alluding to this, but when

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the altar came to Germany, there was an occult explosion

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or revival that spreads across Germany. People don't realize that.

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It was actually setting the stage for Hitler. And speaking

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of which, let me... I'll put it this way. It's

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kind of like a nation was possessed. I mean, when

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you look at what happened to Germany, and you say,

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how did they do that? Why did they go crazy

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over this? It's like a possession of a nation.

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Because what was Germany like before this, though? They were

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very intellectual. They were prosperous.

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It was.

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You know, here they were, they were really leaders in

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so many ways, weren't they Rabbi?

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Yeah. And listen, the reformation came from Germany, right? So you,

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you have the revive, the restoring of the Bible, the

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focus on the Bible. Uh, but now they're at a

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point 19th century, uh, they're turning, you know, and you're,

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they're opening the door because when you turn from the gospel,

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you open the door. And by the way, you know,

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it also came from Germany and this is after the

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reformation higher criticism. which was to criticize the Bible and

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try to say the Bible is not the word of God.

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So they opened the door, you know, and, and so,

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and now they have the throne of Satan and, you know,

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so it's, it's, so it's like they put the ones

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who possess the throne of Satan get possessed by it. Yeah.

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And in 1889, something happens. Well, just before they start deciding,

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Germany says, we're going to put, we're going to piece

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together the throne, the altar, we're going to put it together.

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Because it came in pieces, came in thousands of pieces.

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So kind of in secret, they start piecing it together.

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And so for the first time in 2,000 years, the altar,

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the throne of Satan, appears back in the world, 1889.

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At the same moment, something else appears in the world.

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A child is born, and he's given the name Adolf Hitler.

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Hitler comes into the world with the throne of Satan.

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I mean, you can't make this up. And his whole

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life is going to be joined to the mystery of

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the throne of Satan from birth to death. I mean,

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the whole thing. So everything's being put, set in motion.

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So here they are. And again, Pergamon is in Turkey, right?

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It's modern-day Turkey. So it moves to Germany, Berlin, and.

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It's amazing because this is the thing that we see

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in every kind of movement of God. There's always a

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counter movement, isn't there?

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Yes. Yes. Yes. That's a great point. Yeah. And for

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every counter movement, God does a redemption movement.

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Right.

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So, yeah. Yeah. You know, the enemy uses the things

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of God also to try to turn them away from

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their purpose, you know. And the, and God takes the

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things that the enemy uses and he turns them for good.

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I mean, so you got that, but yes, there is.

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And so you, so yeah, Germany was used to bring

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the word to the world, to the reformation. And so

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it's going to be used to try to destroy the

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people of the word, which is the Jewish people, you know? So, yeah.

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And so what Germany does is they said they're going

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to build a house for the altar. It's kind of

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like every altar, you know, an altar had a temple. Well,

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they're going to build a massive museum, which is just

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pretty much, it's named after the altar. And it starts

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rising in the 1920s. They're going to reveal it to

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the world. They're going to open it up to the world. Well,

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at the same moment, something else starts rising up. It's

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Adolf Hitler and the Nazis in the 1920s.

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This is Bill Martinez. We're live and we're talking with

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Jonathan Cahn, his brand new book, The Altar of Pergamon.

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We're talking with Rabbi Jonathan Cahn, his brand new book,

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The Altar of Pergamon, which right now, even as we're

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the 1st. And it's the mystery of the dark angel,

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the future of the world. So, Rabbi, go on and

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continue here.

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Yeah, so the thing is that at that, you know,

503
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what happens is that, so in 1928, the Nazis have

504
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a setback. They win only 2% of the vote. Okay,

505
00:27:42.039 --> 00:27:45.789
that's okay. It looks like they're gone. But in 1930,

506
00:27:45.789 --> 00:27:48.289
the altar is revealed to the world. They open up

507
00:27:48.329 --> 00:27:51.589
that museum. They reveal it. They pieced it totally together

508
00:27:51.609 --> 00:27:54.849
for the world. And at that moment, this is autumn

509
00:27:55.130 --> 00:28:00.339
of 1930, at that moment, Hitler suddenly is catapulted He

510
00:28:00.380 --> 00:28:02.839
is catapulted from the number two, from the two percent.

511
00:28:03.140 --> 00:28:05.700
Now they're the number two party in Germany. And then

512
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they're number one. And then he takes over. So with

513
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the altar. And you know the day that they opened

514
00:28:10.319 --> 00:28:12.240
up the altar to the world? You know what the

515
00:28:12.269 --> 00:28:14.750
day was? It was Yom Kippur, the holiest day in

516
00:28:14.769 --> 00:28:18.509
the Bible. Which is, it's like the enemy takes the

517
00:28:18.549 --> 00:28:21.069
things of God. And Yom Kippur is about the altar

518
00:28:21.109 --> 00:28:24.009
of God. And it's about salvation. And so instead now

519
00:28:24.069 --> 00:28:26.130
it's the altar of Satan, which is not going to

520
00:28:26.170 --> 00:28:28.920
save the Jewish people. It's going to be, it's a warning.

521
00:28:28.960 --> 00:28:31.920
It's going to go to destroying them. So, yeah.

522
00:28:32.819 --> 00:28:35.759
So how much awareness, again, is this is developing and

523
00:28:35.779 --> 00:28:38.349
they're piecing it together. I mean, we know after everything

524
00:28:38.369 --> 00:28:43.890
was all said and done, Germany was in a sense possessed,

525
00:28:43.950 --> 00:28:48.470
only about 10% of Germany was possessed by the Nazis.

526
00:28:49.170 --> 00:28:53.150
And they controlled, 10% covered Germany. you know, control, 90%, right?

527
00:28:53.230 --> 00:28:53.690
Is that fair?

528
00:28:54.650 --> 00:28:56.269
It may be. Now, I don't need, I have to

529
00:28:56.289 --> 00:28:57.809
look at the things, but it may be something like

530
00:28:57.809 --> 00:29:00.130
10% may have been actually members of the Nazi.

531
00:29:00.309 --> 00:29:01.029
Right, exactly.

532
00:29:01.349 --> 00:29:04.859
That's right. But people, yeah, but Germany is, but when

533
00:29:04.900 --> 00:29:06.660
you look at those crowds, I mean, look at the

534
00:29:06.680 --> 00:29:09.619
crowds of Germans. They were, I'm not saying everyone, there

535
00:29:09.660 --> 00:29:12.119
were those who resisted, but they were, they were, you know,

536
00:29:12.220 --> 00:29:15.700
a set, a remnant, but most were caught up. Most

537
00:29:15.740 --> 00:29:16.460
were caught up in it.

538
00:29:17.250 --> 00:29:20.890
Well, and that's, so as this is developing, now here

539
00:29:20.910 --> 00:29:25.210
we're in the early 1930s, and now you have the rebuilt,

540
00:29:25.579 --> 00:29:29.099
the coming together of the throne of Satan. I mean,

541
00:29:29.420 --> 00:29:33.480
did they understand, Jonathan, did they understand what they had done,

542
00:29:33.579 --> 00:29:34.700
what they were doing here?

543
00:29:34.849 --> 00:29:37.369
I don't think so, because, I mean, maybe some did,

544
00:29:37.390 --> 00:29:40.200
but I don't think so, because remember, Germany is now

545
00:29:40.279 --> 00:29:42.859
turning away from God in a big way. It's turning

546
00:29:42.900 --> 00:29:45.900
to a pagan movement, which are the Nazis. And the Nazis,

547
00:29:47.000 --> 00:29:48.779
we know they hated the Jews, but they also hated

548
00:29:48.839 --> 00:29:52.970
the church. They couldn't say it as publicly, but Hitler

549
00:29:52.990 --> 00:29:56.380
wanted to destroy Christianity. Um, and it was a pagan movement. So,

550
00:29:56.720 --> 00:29:59.039
but so they weren't really reading their Bibles to say

551
00:29:59.099 --> 00:30:01.400
that they, if they did, they would say, wait a minute,

552
00:30:01.500 --> 00:30:03.049
wait a minute. You know, this is the center of

553
00:30:03.119 --> 00:30:06.890
Pergamon throne of Satan. Now it's okay. Now it's Berlin. Now,

554
00:30:07.109 --> 00:30:09.630
by the way, here's another thing that happened. Another German

555
00:30:09.650 --> 00:30:13.089
guy goes to Turkey where the altar had been and

556
00:30:13.289 --> 00:30:17.039
the foundation is still there. Um, and instead of what

557
00:30:17.079 --> 00:30:19.420
he brings back from Turkey is he brings back an

558
00:30:19.500 --> 00:30:23.519
occultic revelation and he comes back to bring a cultic

559
00:30:23.579 --> 00:30:27.180
revelation to Germany. He starts an organization, an occult society

560
00:30:27.660 --> 00:30:31.849
called the Thule Society. This occult society, the Thule Society,

561
00:30:32.410 --> 00:30:35.390
decides to start a little party. That little party becomes

562
00:30:35.430 --> 00:30:39.730
the Nazi Party. It was born of the occult. Born

563
00:30:40.049 --> 00:30:42.380
of an occult society. So that's all there. So now

564
00:30:42.940 --> 00:30:49.359
Hitler takes over. 1933, he becomes chancellor. Takes over. He commissioned...

565
00:30:48.900 --> 00:30:49.160
Go ahead.

566
00:30:49.849 --> 00:30:52.710
No, my thought was, as this is coming out, I mean,

567
00:30:53.150 --> 00:30:58.109
we already have what, in 1848, you've got Darwinism coming

568
00:30:58.150 --> 00:31:02.839
in the scene too, which exacerbated the anti-God movement and

569
00:31:02.880 --> 00:31:07.519
which dovetailed, end up dovetailing. And Adolf Hitler, I was told,

570
00:31:07.539 --> 00:31:09.480
supported Darwinism.

571
00:31:12.529 --> 00:31:17.700
Oh, the idea of the master race, meaning master race

572
00:31:17.839 --> 00:31:20.099
and the survival of the fittest. We're going to destroy

573
00:31:20.119 --> 00:31:23.019
the weak. I mean, yeah, it was very Darwinian. Yeah,

574
00:31:23.140 --> 00:31:25.400
and by the way, 1848 is also the year of revolutions,

575
00:31:25.480 --> 00:31:28.269
socialist revolutions, which is another thing we're going to see

576
00:31:28.609 --> 00:31:31.390
as linked to the altar. is Marxism, and we're having

577
00:31:31.410 --> 00:31:34.490
a revival of socialism, and we're having a revival of antisemitism,

578
00:31:34.529 --> 00:31:36.230
and all these things are linked to the throne of

579
00:31:36.269 --> 00:31:40.049
Satan and the altar. So yes, all these things open

580
00:31:40.089 --> 00:31:42.150
the door, and they open the door for him. Yes,

581
00:31:42.230 --> 00:31:44.950
it's not in a vacuum. So Hitler, when he comes

582
00:31:44.990 --> 00:31:50.440
to power, he commissions his architect, a guy named Albert Speer,

583
00:31:51.039 --> 00:31:55.180
to build him this massive podium, a colossal where he

584
00:31:55.200 --> 00:31:58.480
could speak to the masses. When you see Hitler... speaking

585
00:31:58.519 --> 00:32:00.819
to like looks like it's a million people it's nuremberg

586
00:32:01.119 --> 00:32:03.420
that's where they had the rallies and that's where he's

587
00:32:03.440 --> 00:32:05.880
going to be standing on this massive thing well the

588
00:32:05.900 --> 00:32:08.420
guy builds it for him and that and and you

589
00:32:08.460 --> 00:32:10.940
know what he and he and the guy albert spear

590
00:32:11.019 --> 00:32:13.599
i found in his writings he admits he built that

591
00:32:13.839 --> 00:32:17.960
that podium for hitler massive uh it was a reproduction

592
00:32:17.980 --> 00:32:23.380
of the altar of pergamon so hitler is standing when

593
00:32:23.400 --> 00:32:26.869
you see hitler he's standing on the throne of satan

594
00:32:27.869 --> 00:32:31.869
and he's invoking destruction. That's the will of Satan. Now

595
00:32:31.930 --> 00:32:34.859
let me go even deeper, if it's okay.

596
00:32:34.930 --> 00:32:37.900
No, please. I mean, this is mind-blowing because here you

597
00:32:38.000 --> 00:32:41.680
are and you're thinking, this happened all, you know, 100

598
00:32:41.680 --> 00:32:46.339
years ago. And you are revealing this mystery and saying,

599
00:32:46.539 --> 00:32:50.819
here it is. I mean, you got the altar of Pergamon,

600
00:32:51.759 --> 00:32:58.359
Satan's throne, and now here's Adolf Hitler standing there Standing

601
00:32:58.440 --> 00:33:00.400
right there on the throne of Satan.

602
00:33:00.660 --> 00:33:03.880
Yeah. And the one who was born with the altar.

603
00:33:04.099 --> 00:33:05.960
He was born with the throne of Satan coming into

604
00:33:05.980 --> 00:33:10.609
the world. Now he's standing on this massive, colossal reproduction.

605
00:33:10.950 --> 00:33:16.490
And so now here's another mystery. The altar of Pergamon

606
00:33:16.549 --> 00:33:18.269
was not just an altar. It was an altar of

607
00:33:18.450 --> 00:33:20.609
burnt offerings. Burnt.

608
00:33:20.869 --> 00:33:21.250
Burnt.

609
00:33:21.549 --> 00:33:21.730
Okay.

610
00:33:22.250 --> 00:33:24.650
So now in the language of the Greeks who built

611
00:33:24.690 --> 00:33:26.660
the altar, and they didn't call it the altar of

612
00:33:26.680 --> 00:33:28.859
burnt offerings. The way you say it in Greek is

613
00:33:28.900 --> 00:33:32.480
the word for burnt is kaustos, and the word for

614
00:33:32.579 --> 00:33:37.559
completely burnt is holos. It becomes the word Holocaust.

615
00:33:37.859 --> 00:33:38.819
Holocaust, yes.

616
00:33:38.859 --> 00:33:42.720
The altar was the altar of the Holocaust from the beginning.

617
00:33:43.299 --> 00:33:46.880
The moment the pieces come to Germany, that was the plan.

618
00:33:46.920 --> 00:33:50.109
It was an altar of the Holocaust. And so the

619
00:33:50.269 --> 00:33:55.009
enemy is taking something. Now, here's the thing. The word

620
00:33:55.049 --> 00:33:58.099
Holocaust actually appears in the Bible. And I'll tell you what,

621
00:33:58.440 --> 00:34:01.579
in the first translation, which is the Septuagint, the Greek,

622
00:34:01.619 --> 00:34:05.140
which the new Testament uses the ancient, ancient, when it

623
00:34:05.200 --> 00:34:08.800
gets to things like when God says to Abraham, offer

624
00:34:08.860 --> 00:34:12.480
up your son, he said in the Septuagint as a Holocaust.

625
00:34:13.199 --> 00:34:15.420
So here you have the whole Jewish nation is inside

626
00:34:15.539 --> 00:34:18.090
Isaac and it's, it could, it's going to be offered up,

627
00:34:18.340 --> 00:34:21.429
saved by a lamb. Okay. And so now, and then,

628
00:34:21.670 --> 00:34:25.210
then when you read Leviticus in the ancient translation, it says,

629
00:34:25.309 --> 00:34:28.670
these are the laws of the Holocaust. The fire will

630
00:34:28.710 --> 00:34:32.809
always be burning and you'll have ashes. And the thing is,

631
00:34:33.010 --> 00:34:38.489
what the Nazis did is it was Satan taking something holy,

632
00:34:38.510 --> 00:34:42.900
a sacrifice, and turning it to satanic purposes. Instead of

633
00:34:43.019 --> 00:34:47.159
saving Jewish people, the sacrifice saved them. He's destroying them

634
00:34:47.539 --> 00:34:49.940
with a thing. He's taking it and he's making it demonic.

635
00:34:51.610 --> 00:34:56.829
Holocaust doesn't mean a disaster. Holocaust literally means a sacrifice,

636
00:34:57.110 --> 00:35:01.170
a burnt offering sacrifice. That's what's happening. This is satanic.

637
00:35:01.449 --> 00:35:03.659
And by the way, when I told you that the

638
00:35:03.860 --> 00:35:06.280
altar was revealed to the world in Germany in 1930,

639
00:35:06.280 --> 00:35:11.960
it was on Yom Kippur. The scripture that they were reading,

640
00:35:12.179 --> 00:35:14.659
that Jewish people were reading on Yom Kippur in the

641
00:35:14.699 --> 00:35:18.980
Septuagint has the word Holocaust four times. So when the

642
00:35:19.099 --> 00:35:23.150
altar comes in, they're speaking about the Holocaust. It's like

643
00:35:23.210 --> 00:35:29.349
a warning. And let me go even further. The Bible

644
00:35:29.369 --> 00:35:32.610
says that the altar of burnt offerings, or the altar

645
00:35:32.630 --> 00:35:36.739
of the Holocaust, was in the holy place. There's actually

646
00:35:36.760 --> 00:35:38.360
a scripture that says the altar of burnt offerings was

647
00:35:38.380 --> 00:35:40.320
in the holy place. Well, when you take, we already

648
00:35:40.340 --> 00:35:42.760
saw the word for the altar of burnt offerings was Holocaust.

649
00:35:43.059 --> 00:35:45.119
What about the word for holy place? There's a word

650
00:35:45.159 --> 00:35:48.079
in German called, that speaks of a place called holy

651
00:35:48.139 --> 00:35:54.889
or the holy place. The word is Auschwitz. Auschwitz means

652
00:35:55.050 --> 00:35:59.530
the holy place. So you have the Holocaust in Auschwitz,

653
00:35:59.570 --> 00:36:02.650
the burn in the holy place. And so it's the

654
00:36:02.710 --> 00:36:04.670
devil's offering. He's taken the thing that's gone and he's

655
00:36:04.710 --> 00:36:06.989
twisting it all. And you know what the last sacrifice was?

656
00:36:07.010 --> 00:36:09.400
You know who the high priest was over the Holocaust?

657
00:36:09.460 --> 00:36:11.500
It was Adolf Hitler. He's the one who did it.

658
00:36:11.940 --> 00:36:13.800
And so at the end, when the devil's through with him,

659
00:36:13.880 --> 00:36:17.920
can't use him anymore, He's destroyed. He kills himself. Same hand.

660
00:36:18.280 --> 00:36:22.219
He offers himself. And then he says that he orders

661
00:36:22.260 --> 00:36:26.079
that his body be burnt as a burnt offering. I mean,

662
00:36:26.199 --> 00:36:28.639
he's just burnt. And so the last sacrifice of the

663
00:36:28.679 --> 00:36:32.739
Holocaust is Adolf Hitler himself. That's the last Holocaust is

664
00:36:32.780 --> 00:36:35.409
the burnt offering of him. And now to set the

665
00:36:35.449 --> 00:36:38.510
stage for when we go to the next program, because

666
00:36:38.530 --> 00:36:39.769
there's so much coming, because it's going to come up

667
00:36:39.789 --> 00:36:42.150
to right now here, behind everything. But the thing is this.

668
00:36:43.079 --> 00:36:46.519
So Hitler was the owner, the possessor of the altar.

669
00:36:46.960 --> 00:36:51.030
He dies. So the altar doesn't have any possessor. That

670
00:36:51.090 --> 00:36:55.769
lasts for one day. One day. And then the altar

671
00:36:55.829 --> 00:37:00.079
is going to move from his hands, Germany, to the

672
00:37:00.119 --> 00:37:02.880
hands of another. And when it moves to the other,

673
00:37:03.179 --> 00:37:04.380
history is going to change again.

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We're talking with Rabbi Jonathan.

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Cahn, the bestselling author. This is his 11th book, 10 already,

737
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New York Times bestselling. So we know this is going

738
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to be another bestseller. The Altar of Pergamon, The Mystery

739
00:41:22.329 --> 00:41:24.929
of the Dark Angel and the Future of the World.

740
00:41:25.289 --> 00:41:28.630
So in this final 12 minutes together, Rabbi.

741
00:41:30.179 --> 00:41:33.610
We'll go ahead and, you know, go through and pick

742
00:41:33.630 --> 00:41:35.829
it up from where we are. Now it moves, it

743
00:41:35.889 --> 00:41:38.469
changes hands within a 24-hour period, right?

744
00:41:38.510 --> 00:41:41.820
Yes, yes. And when it changes hands, It's going to

745
00:41:42.019 --> 00:41:45.579
change history. Now a new power is going to receive

746
00:41:45.820 --> 00:41:48.190
the throne of Satan and it's going to affect our lives.

747
00:41:48.269 --> 00:41:50.489
In fact, I could say for sure it's affected all

748
00:41:50.510 --> 00:41:52.869
of our lives. We were born or I was born

749
00:41:54.050 --> 00:41:56.949
under these things happening. So this has all affected our

750
00:41:56.969 --> 00:41:59.650
life and we'll open that up to where we are

751
00:42:00.030 --> 00:42:01.489
and where we are now and where it's going in

752
00:42:01.510 --> 00:42:03.130
the future and all that. If I could just say it,

753
00:42:03.780 --> 00:42:06.480
the book is everywhere. So if you just go online

754
00:42:06.699 --> 00:42:08.900
now or go to Amazon or any place online, You'll

755
00:42:08.940 --> 00:42:12.619
see it, the Altar of Pergamon, and any bookstore will

756
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have it as soon as it, and the other thing,

757
00:42:14.460 --> 00:42:17.179
but I just, again, don't just get it for yourself.

758
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Get copies for people in your life because it's a story.

759
00:42:20.300 --> 00:42:22.210
It's going to draw them in, and it leads to

760
00:42:22.230 --> 00:42:24.929
salvation and how real God is.

761
00:42:25.489 --> 00:42:29.369
Yes, amen. Okay, so now it's changed hands, and as

762
00:42:29.409 --> 00:42:33.789
you said, we have been living under this all our lives,

763
00:42:34.820 --> 00:42:37.550
our lives. Our current lives, I mean, right?

764
00:42:37.570 --> 00:42:39.909
Well, everything, yeah. I don't know, Bill, I don't know

765
00:42:39.929 --> 00:42:41.269
when you were born, so I'm not going to ask

766
00:42:41.329 --> 00:42:42.489
how much of the mystery.

767
00:42:42.210 --> 00:42:44.570
You've been in. 1950, I'll tell you.

768
00:42:44.969 --> 00:42:48.170
Okay, okay. So you were, okay, you know, see, if

769
00:42:48.190 --> 00:42:51.909
there's something, okay, so here's the thing. The altar, this

770
00:42:52.010 --> 00:42:54.619
is what happens. By the way, how much time do

771
00:42:54.760 --> 00:42:56.380
we have? We have two programs, right?

772
00:42:56.900 --> 00:42:58.739
Yeah, well, we can, you know, we'll keep on going.

773
00:42:58.800 --> 00:43:03.059
Okay, okay, all right. All right. Okay, let's go. All right, so.

774
00:43:03.800 --> 00:43:05.559
The thing is, there's so much, I'm just giving a taste,

775
00:43:05.599 --> 00:43:08.960
but still there's so much. So Hitler's in a bunker

776
00:43:09.019 --> 00:43:12.880
in Germany and he kills himself in that bunker. In

777
00:43:12.940 --> 00:43:16.940
another bunker in Berlin, the Nazis are hiding something else.

778
00:43:17.780 --> 00:43:20.550
They're hiding the throne of Satan in the other bunker.

779
00:43:21.150 --> 00:43:23.170
So you got Hitler in one bunker, the throne of

780
00:43:23.230 --> 00:43:27.030
Satan in another bunker. The soldiers are coming through Berlin

781
00:43:27.730 --> 00:43:29.590
and they come upon this bunker and they open it

782
00:43:29.710 --> 00:43:33.349
up and inside they see it's the throne of Satan.

783
00:43:34.130 --> 00:43:37.550
So they take it, they possess it. And the altar

784
00:43:37.650 --> 00:43:41.199
changes hands. So who is it that has it now?

785
00:43:42.579 --> 00:43:45.760
The soldiers were the soldiers of the Red Army. Now

786
00:43:45.860 --> 00:43:51.050
the Soviet Union possesses the throne of Satan. They take

787
00:43:51.130 --> 00:43:53.869
the throne of Satan. So now the center of evil

788
00:43:53.889 --> 00:43:57.269
in the world moves from Nazi Germany to to the

789
00:43:57.329 --> 00:44:00.889
Soviet Union and communism. And that's exactly what happens. And

790
00:44:00.909 --> 00:44:03.050
we didn't realize this. You know, say growing up with

791
00:44:03.070 --> 00:44:06.409
the Cold War, didn't realize that they actually possessed the

792
00:44:06.429 --> 00:44:09.639
throne of Satan the whole time. You know, so I mean,

793
00:44:09.760 --> 00:44:10.659
you know, it's crazy.

794
00:44:10.760 --> 00:44:13.039
And so where did they put the throne? I mean,

795
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here they take it.

796
00:44:14.239 --> 00:44:14.849
Where did they put it?

797
00:44:14.940 --> 00:44:15.480
In a crate?

798
00:44:16.059 --> 00:44:19.380
Yes. Okay. First, it's in Berlin for a little while.

799
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Then Moscow orders, they take it, they put it in crates,

800
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just as you said. They put it on trains and

801
00:44:28.179 --> 00:44:32.880
they take it to the Soviet Union, Russia. Soviet Union

802
00:44:32.960 --> 00:44:37.019
now possesses, has the throne of Satan. And what happens

803
00:44:37.039 --> 00:44:40.079
to the Soviet Union? All of a sudden it goes

804
00:44:40.159 --> 00:44:43.679
from power to superpower. It was only one nation that

805
00:44:43.699 --> 00:44:45.860
was communist, but once they have the throne of Satan,

806
00:44:45.880 --> 00:44:49.739
it's like a dark anointing. Communism spreads, takes over all

807
00:44:49.760 --> 00:44:54.460
of Eastern Europe, takes over China. takes over one third,

808
00:44:55.119 --> 00:44:58.460
one third of every person on earth is living under communism,

809
00:44:58.480 --> 00:45:01.519
you know, at the top. And at that moment, the

810
00:45:02.639 --> 00:45:05.179
living under communism, when they have the throne of Satan,

811
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you know, so all this, and what was coming to

812
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every power that gets the throne of Satan, the altar,

813
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they end up, they, they hate the Jewish people. They

814
00:45:16.309 --> 00:45:19.750
hate Christians, the church, they hate Israel. I mean, they

815
00:45:19.789 --> 00:45:24.210
become enemies of it just like Satan is. But the

816
00:45:24.250 --> 00:45:29.090
story is even deeper because even before that happened, communism

817
00:45:29.130 --> 00:45:32.469
was already linked to the throne of Satan. Just quick things.

818
00:45:32.610 --> 00:45:36.829
Karl Marx. First of all, where's he from? Germany. Germany,

819
00:45:36.869 --> 00:45:38.889
the land that's going to be of the altar. Germany.

820
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And he grows up actually knowing about Jesus. And when

821
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he's 17, he writes a devotion to Jesus. But then

822
00:45:46.789 --> 00:45:48.809
when he's 18, they send him to Berlin, the place

823
00:45:48.849 --> 00:45:51.469
where Satan's throne is going to be, and he transforms.

824
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And he starts writing strange verses as if Satan was

825
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speaking through him. He says, I will exalt my throne.

826
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This is Karl Marx. It's not Satan. I will exalt

827
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my throne. I will bring the world to destruction. And

828
00:46:05.239 --> 00:46:07.980
I will walk as a god among the runes. And

829
00:46:08.079 --> 00:46:10.639
I have a sword that the prince of darkness gave me.

830
00:46:10.659 --> 00:46:13.760
This is Karl Marx. He says, all that exists deserves

831
00:46:13.800 --> 00:46:15.369
to be destroyed. Karl Marx.

832
00:46:15.630 --> 00:46:15.789
Okay.

833
00:46:16.489 --> 00:46:21.510
Karl Marx writes the manifesto. Nobody reads it. Karl Marx

834
00:46:21.530 --> 00:46:22.909
is going to be a has-been. We would never have

835
00:46:22.940 --> 00:46:26.280
heard his name. Time has passed him by. But except

836
00:46:26.420 --> 00:46:30.179
something happens that resurrects Marxism. It would have been dead.

837
00:46:30.619 --> 00:46:33.519
You know what it was? It was the altar of Pergamon.

838
00:46:33.980 --> 00:46:36.969
Remember I said the altar comes to Germany? At the

839
00:46:37.139 --> 00:46:40.210
moment those pieces first come to Germany, at that moment,

840
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Marxism is suddenly resurrected in Germany. And the Communist Manifesto

841
00:46:45.510 --> 00:46:47.889
was reissued, goes to the world, becomes the number two

842
00:46:47.949 --> 00:46:52.590
bestseller under the Bible. And now at the same moment

843
00:46:52.610 --> 00:46:56.349
of the altar in Germany, same moment it comes, the

844
00:46:56.409 --> 00:46:59.880
Marxism goes to Russia. And when they were starting to

845
00:46:59.960 --> 00:47:03.960
dig up the altar, the moment they're putting their shovels

846
00:47:04.000 --> 00:47:07.599
and they're digging up, another child is born with the altar.

847
00:47:07.800 --> 00:47:11.309
His name is Joseph Stalin. He's also born with the altar.

848
00:47:11.909 --> 00:47:16.380
And the whole, I mean, you know, remember I told

849
00:47:16.420 --> 00:47:20.179
you that when they pieced together the altar in 1889

850
00:47:20.179 --> 00:47:23.460
and all of a sudden Hitler is born, okay? Same moment,

851
00:47:23.539 --> 00:47:25.900
they're piecing it together, something happens that's going to change

852
00:47:25.920 --> 00:47:30.590
the world. Lenin... comes into Marx, comes in the same moment.

853
00:47:30.849 --> 00:47:33.769
Lenin picks up Marx, and the rest is history. The

854
00:47:33.809 --> 00:47:38.980
red flag of communism happens in the same year, 1889.

855
00:47:38.980 --> 00:47:42.519
Everything happens when they do this. So there's all sorts

856
00:47:42.539 --> 00:47:44.119
of history, but the thing is that, to this, which

857
00:47:44.139 --> 00:47:46.380
you can't get into, but the thing is that So

858
00:47:46.460 --> 00:47:50.269
now the altar has come to Russia, to the Soviet Union.

859
00:47:50.489 --> 00:47:53.329
And who's over it? Joseph Stalin, who was born with

860
00:47:53.369 --> 00:47:56.329
the altar. Every one of those two children who were

861
00:47:56.369 --> 00:47:58.679
born with the altar, they become the masters of the

862
00:47:59.099 --> 00:48:02.880
altar at the right time. So now, why do we

863
00:48:02.920 --> 00:48:05.840
call the devil the devil? We call him the devil

864
00:48:05.920 --> 00:48:09.360
because it comes from the word diabolos. Diabolus means the

865
00:48:09.480 --> 00:48:14.320
one who divides, who divides. So the devil's a divider

866
00:48:14.440 --> 00:48:16.760
because if he can divide, he can destroy. If he

867
00:48:16.800 --> 00:48:19.719
can divide, he can conquer and destroy. So what happens

868
00:48:19.780 --> 00:48:23.010
to the world when the Soviet Union gets the altar?

869
00:48:23.389 --> 00:48:27.110
What happens is the world is divided into two camps,

870
00:48:28.110 --> 00:48:32.789
each with a power to destroy the world. So this

871
00:48:33.329 --> 00:48:36.170
mystery is even behind the Cold War. What was the

872
00:48:36.210 --> 00:48:38.920
Cold War, which we were born under? It was the

873
00:48:38.980 --> 00:48:42.800
side that had the throne of Satan versus the side

874
00:48:42.840 --> 00:48:45.239
that was against that. That was it.

875
00:48:45.469 --> 00:48:47.780
Yeah, good and evil, right there.

876
00:48:47.989 --> 00:48:51.630
Yeah, as much as it could be, it was. And

877
00:48:51.869 --> 00:48:55.409
all by that, whoever has the throne. I mean, this part,

878
00:48:55.449 --> 00:48:58.889
it sounds like the Lord of the Rings. You know,

879
00:48:58.909 --> 00:49:01.289
you have this evil object, you know, that's changing. So,

880
00:49:01.690 --> 00:49:06.670
all right. So now what happens is the Soviet Union

881
00:49:06.710 --> 00:49:14.929
in 1958, decides to send the altar back to its puppet,

882
00:49:15.170 --> 00:49:18.969
East Germany, East Berlin. It still possesses it, it's still

883
00:49:19.050 --> 00:49:21.340
over it, its troops are in East Berlin, but the

884
00:49:21.380 --> 00:49:25.579
location has changed for political reasons. As soon as they

885
00:49:25.619 --> 00:49:27.719
move it back, they move it back in 1958, all

886
00:49:27.739 --> 00:49:30.760
of a sudden Berlin, and you might remember something, Berlin

887
00:49:30.800 --> 00:49:33.800
becomes a center of crisis between the Cold War. Berlin

888
00:49:33.820 --> 00:49:37.090
was the main thing. And the Soviet Union and America

889
00:49:37.269 --> 00:49:43.239
almost come to war over Berlin. And when did the

890
00:49:43.260 --> 00:49:46.699
Berlin crisis begin? November 1958. When did the altar arrive

891
00:49:46.719 --> 00:49:52.369
in Berlin? November 1958. This crisis keeps going until you

892
00:49:52.409 --> 00:49:56.369
have John Kennedy and Khrushchev of the Soviet Union. They

893
00:49:56.389 --> 00:50:01.869
meet in 1961. Khrushchev demands all of Berlin. America says no.

894
00:50:02.750 --> 00:50:06.579
Khrushchev builds the wall, the Berlin Wall. At the wall,

895
00:50:06.679 --> 00:50:14.690
at Checkpoint Charlie... there comes a massive Berlin crisis. That puts,

896
00:50:15.010 --> 00:50:17.369
on one side of the wall, you have Soviet soldiers

897
00:50:17.630 --> 00:50:20.409
armed in tanks. On the other side, you have American soldiers,

898
00:50:20.449 --> 00:50:23.840
first time ever, they're ready, both sides are preparing for

899
00:50:23.900 --> 00:50:27.900
nuclear war in that crisis. And right in the middle

900
00:50:27.920 --> 00:50:29.820
of it is the altar, the throne of Satan, the

901
00:50:29.900 --> 00:50:33.760
altar there. Now, we get past it, but now is

902
00:50:33.780 --> 00:50:37.210
the most, well, before that, the devil wants to destroy

903
00:50:37.250 --> 00:50:40.000
the world. He's a destroyer. He's a divider. He's a destroyer.

904
00:50:40.320 --> 00:50:42.030
He divides the world so he can destroy it. But

905
00:50:42.050 --> 00:50:43.369
you can only do that if you have the power

906
00:50:43.409 --> 00:50:46.030
to destroy it. So what's the power to destroy it?

907
00:50:46.329 --> 00:50:50.730
Nuclear destruction. So when did, could that, could even that

908
00:50:50.809 --> 00:50:54.190
be linked to the mystery and the altar of Pergamon? Well,

909
00:50:54.510 --> 00:50:56.909
it is. Here's the thing. What kind of altar was it?

910
00:50:57.159 --> 00:51:02.239
The altar of burnt offerings. It totally burns up. Totally. Well,

911
00:51:02.260 --> 00:51:04.539
and how do you say that in Greek? Holocaust. Well,

912
00:51:04.760 --> 00:51:07.079
when you were, the Holocaust is only used for two things.

913
00:51:07.760 --> 00:51:11.500
What happened with Hitler and when we say nuclear holocaust.

914
00:51:12.059 --> 00:51:16.690
That's it. Both holocausts came from the altar. When did

915
00:51:17.010 --> 00:51:20.510
that power come into the world? We say, well, New Mexico, America.

916
00:51:20.610 --> 00:51:20.829
No.

917
00:51:21.409 --> 00:51:24.070
It came into the world at the throne of Satan

918
00:51:24.199 --> 00:51:27.960
in Berlin. It came in the world in 1938 when

919
00:51:28.079 --> 00:51:32.920
two German scientists split the atom under Adolf Hitler. Hitler

920
00:51:33.099 --> 00:51:35.409
almost had it. And that's the plan of the enemy.

921
00:51:35.469 --> 00:51:38.449
Imagine if he got it. By a miracle, God kept

922
00:51:38.489 --> 00:51:41.750
him from getting it, largely because he persecuted the Jewish

923
00:51:41.789 --> 00:51:45.610
people and Jewish scientists went to America. That's really the

924
00:51:45.630 --> 00:51:49.289
grace of God. So now, bringing it back, you got

925
00:51:49.349 --> 00:51:51.550
the two powers divided, the world divided. We all grew

926
00:51:51.610 --> 00:51:54.650
up under it. You got power and nuclear destruction, and

927
00:51:54.670 --> 00:51:56.530
then you have the most dangerous moment in world history.

928
00:51:56.889 --> 00:52:00.030
When was it? It was the Cuban Missile Crisis. And

929
00:52:00.090 --> 00:52:02.250
what happens is, and you probably remember some of it. Oh,

930
00:52:02.269 --> 00:52:06.510
I am. Oh, yeah. By the way, speaking of personal stuff,

931
00:52:06.929 --> 00:52:10.760
my father grew up, was born in Germany, and he

932
00:52:10.800 --> 00:52:11.679
grew up under Hitler.

933
00:52:12.320 --> 00:52:12.619
Oh, wow.

934
00:52:12.719 --> 00:52:14.719
And he just escaped with his life. He got out

935
00:52:14.780 --> 00:52:17.019
on a train to get out. That's why I only

936
00:52:17.059 --> 00:52:21.170
exist because he got out. Yeah, exactly. But it's touched

937
00:52:21.230 --> 00:52:24.199
all of us. It doesn't matter who you are. So 1962,

938
00:52:24.190 --> 00:52:27.840
the Soviet Union puts missiles in Cuba. America discovers it.

939
00:52:28.150 --> 00:52:32.699
Kennedy quarantines Cuba. American ships in the water. Soviet ships

940
00:52:32.719 --> 00:52:36.280
are coming with more missiles. The world prepares for nuclear destruction, literally.

941
00:52:36.679 --> 00:52:39.639
I mean, we would have been, if by one hair

942
00:52:40.039 --> 00:52:42.090
it could have destroyed, we wouldn't be here today. And

943
00:52:42.110 --> 00:52:44.389
the thing is that people are in bomb shelters. They're

944
00:52:44.409 --> 00:52:48.230
putting dog tags on their children. And by a miracle,

945
00:52:48.250 --> 00:52:50.849
we get past it. But here's the thing. The secret

946
00:52:50.869 --> 00:52:54.460
story was this. It wasn't about Cuba. What happened, the

947
00:52:54.500 --> 00:52:57.960
real beginning was Khrushchev was by the Black Sea. And

948
00:52:57.980 --> 00:53:00.039
they pointed out to him that America had missiles on

949
00:53:00.059 --> 00:53:03.280
the other side of the sea aimed at Russia. He said, okay,

950
00:53:03.440 --> 00:53:06.460
we're putting missiles in Cuba right by their doorstep. So

951
00:53:06.699 --> 00:53:09.099
the missiles that almost brought the world to destruction weren't

952
00:53:09.119 --> 00:53:11.280
the missiles in Cuba. They were missiles on the other

953
00:53:11.320 --> 00:53:13.590
side of the Black Sea. So where were they? What

954
00:53:13.610 --> 00:53:16.409
were the missiles that almost destroyed the world? They were

955
00:53:16.610 --> 00:53:20.670
all standing in the land of Pergamon, the throne of Satan.

956
00:53:21.639 --> 00:53:25.139
They were all in the ancient kingdom of Pergamon, every

957
00:53:25.219 --> 00:53:29.059
one of them. And, and, you know, remember the altar

958
00:53:29.079 --> 00:53:33.079
of Pergamon is linked to Zeus, you know, Satan, Zeus, Jupiter.

959
00:53:33.940 --> 00:53:36.980
The missiles bore the name of the god Jupiter on them.

960
00:53:37.340 --> 00:53:38.559
That almost destroyed the world.

961
00:53:39.590 --> 00:53:42.010
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Getting america back on track bill martinez live.

982
00:55:01.039 --> 00:55:04.320
Well we're talking with rabbi jonathan khan his brand new

983
00:55:04.340 --> 00:55:07.320
book the altar of pergamon which is uh it's available

984
00:55:07.380 --> 00:55:11.030
now it's official release date is september the first the

985
00:55:11.070 --> 00:55:12.849
mystery of the dark angel and the future of the

986
00:55:12.889 --> 00:55:17.150
world and uh he's walking us through uh the significance

987
00:55:17.389 --> 00:55:20.860
of the uh you know the throne of satan and

988
00:55:20.940 --> 00:55:22.780
its influence on world events.

989
00:55:22.889 --> 00:55:25.409
Go ahead. Yeah, to this day, what the Bible says

990
00:55:25.469 --> 00:55:27.989
is true. And by the way, it's coming out, but

991
00:55:28.050 --> 00:55:31.809
if you go online, you can get it. It's everywhere. So, yeah,

992
00:55:31.849 --> 00:55:34.559
so now, what happens? Okay, we've got the world divided,

993
00:55:34.619 --> 00:55:36.840
world on edge, you know, When I was in school,

994
00:55:37.000 --> 00:55:38.639
they had air raid drills. I had to go out.

995
00:55:38.679 --> 00:55:40.280
We were under desk. Yeah, exactly.

996
00:55:40.440 --> 00:55:42.559
You were under desk. We had to cover our heads

997
00:55:42.619 --> 00:55:47.449
in case there was a nuclear explosion. We'd get protected. So, okay.

998
00:55:47.710 --> 00:55:50.409
Last until, but if you see, if you just follow

999
00:55:50.429 --> 00:55:52.510
where the altar is, what happens to the altar, you'll

1000
00:55:52.530 --> 00:55:57.090
see what happens to the entire world. What happens in 1989,

1001
00:55:57.090 --> 00:55:58.050
the wall comes down.

1002
00:55:58.760 --> 00:55:59.000
Okay.

1003
00:55:59.440 --> 00:56:03.260
And so what happens? Germany actually becomes back into the

1004
00:56:03.280 --> 00:56:05.820
world as a nation. The first time it came was

1005
00:56:05.860 --> 00:56:08.360
with the altar in 1871. Now it comes back again

1006
00:56:08.400 --> 00:56:11.460
with the altar. And so now the altar is cut

1007
00:56:11.539 --> 00:56:16.000
off from communism. Communism loses the altar. The Soviet Union

1008
00:56:16.039 --> 00:56:19.889
loses the altar. Eastern Europe loses the altar. Eastern Germany

1009
00:56:20.550 --> 00:56:25.650
loses it. So what happens? The communist world collapses. It disappears.

1010
00:56:26.210 --> 00:56:28.250
You say they lost the altar. Where did the altar go?

1011
00:56:28.429 --> 00:56:28.650
No, no.

1012
00:56:28.809 --> 00:56:32.690
Meaning they lost... It was in Berlin. They lost possession

1013
00:56:32.969 --> 00:56:37.010
of the altar. They no longer controlled the altar. They

1014
00:56:37.050 --> 00:56:40.340
possessed it up to that moment. You know, East Germany,

1015
00:56:40.380 --> 00:56:44.000
communism and the Soviet Union possessed the altar. But once

1016
00:56:44.059 --> 00:56:48.039
the wall came down and Germany became one, they lost

1017
00:56:48.119 --> 00:56:51.739
possession of the altar. And once they lost the possession,

1018
00:56:52.539 --> 00:56:57.619
communism collapses in Eastern Europe, collapses in Soviet Union. Everything

1019
00:56:57.679 --> 00:57:01.159
follows where that thing is. So now what happened, by

1020
00:57:01.179 --> 00:57:02.199
the way, we're going to get to a thing that

1021
00:57:02.360 --> 00:57:05.300
is linked to an American leader on the stage. It

1022
00:57:05.320 --> 00:57:07.519
was even not Trump on the stage, even now who

1023
00:57:07.579 --> 00:57:09.900
is linked to the altar of Pergamon and the throne

1024
00:57:09.920 --> 00:57:12.130
of Satan. But I may not, may not name it,

1025
00:57:12.460 --> 00:57:15.039
but I'll, I'll speak, I'll mention it. All right. So

1026
00:57:15.059 --> 00:57:17.519
what happens now? Every time the altar changes, a new

1027
00:57:17.579 --> 00:57:21.530
power starts rising. One power falls, one power rises. So

1028
00:57:21.570 --> 00:57:24.429
what's the, what's the power now? Well, if the enemy

1029
00:57:24.590 --> 00:57:28.610
could not destroy the world by dividing it, which he tried,

1030
00:57:29.719 --> 00:57:32.969
He will try to possess it by bringing it together

1031
00:57:33.050 --> 00:57:34.530
as one, one world.

1032
00:57:35.050 --> 00:57:35.809
One world government.

1033
00:57:35.989 --> 00:57:38.869
One world Bible prophecy. Now we're in that realm. The

1034
00:57:38.949 --> 00:57:42.650
altar is converging. So what happens? When the altar comes down,

1035
00:57:42.710 --> 00:57:46.489
Germany becomes one. So Eastern Europe becomes one. And the

1036
00:57:46.570 --> 00:57:49.719
world starts globalizing in a way that's never before. People

1037
00:57:49.739 --> 00:57:54.119
say new world order, globalization, new world. Well, so the

1038
00:57:54.139 --> 00:57:56.559
thing is that one is the thing, the Bible says

1039
00:57:56.579 --> 00:57:58.610
that's going to happen. It's not going to be good.

1040
00:57:59.550 --> 00:58:01.769
And the other thing is that, the other thing is that,

1041
00:58:02.210 --> 00:58:05.510
that something else, what else has been bringing the world together?

1042
00:58:05.909 --> 00:58:08.570
The web, the web. When did the web come into

1043
00:58:08.610 --> 00:58:12.400
the world? It was conceived in 1989, the same moment

1044
00:58:12.440 --> 00:58:13.760
the wall came down in Berlin.

1045
00:58:14.420 --> 00:58:14.719
Okay.

1046
00:58:14.760 --> 00:58:16.800
So now you have, you have these things happening in

1047
00:58:16.820 --> 00:58:18.860
the same moment. When did it come into the world?

1048
00:58:19.079 --> 00:58:22.139
In 1990, Germany comes into the world is unified at

1049
00:58:22.159 --> 00:58:25.119
the same. That's the, that's the time that the web

1050
00:58:25.320 --> 00:58:27.619
actually is born. It was conceived, then it was born.

1051
00:58:28.199 --> 00:58:30.630
And you know, In, in, in, you know, bill, when

1052
00:58:30.670 --> 00:58:35.190
you say worldwide web, it's on every computer and it's WWW,

1053
00:58:35.570 --> 00:58:35.789
you know?

1054
00:58:35.889 --> 00:58:36.090
Right.

1055
00:58:36.250 --> 00:58:39.289
Well, in the language of the Bible, it's not WWW.

1056
00:58:39.550 --> 00:58:43.280
It's vav, vav, vav, letter vav, letter vav. Every in

1057
00:58:43.300 --> 00:58:46.639
the Bible, every letter has a number has a numerical value.

1058
00:58:46.659 --> 00:58:49.420
It's a number. So what it translates to in the

1059
00:58:49.440 --> 00:58:53.360
language of the Bible, WWW translates to six, six, six, six, six, six.

1060
00:58:53.380 --> 00:58:53.449
Yes.

1061
00:58:53.579 --> 00:58:55.730
Every computer. On every computer.

1062
00:58:55.929 --> 00:58:56.150
All right.

1063
00:58:56.570 --> 00:59:00.179
So now the other thing is, what about, I promised you,

1064
00:59:01.480 --> 00:59:05.570
I'll touch on a mystery of an American leader and

1065
00:59:05.829 --> 00:59:07.710
how this altar actually has to do with America as well.

1066
00:59:08.929 --> 00:59:13.940
There was an American leader, He's still around. And he

1067
00:59:14.059 --> 00:59:17.860
actually goes to the place of Satan's throne. And there

1068
00:59:18.119 --> 00:59:22.579
he stands under an image of an ancient pagan goddess.

1069
00:59:23.719 --> 00:59:26.199
And he delivers a speech to the world calling the

1070
00:59:26.260 --> 00:59:29.949
world to become as one. He goes back to America

1071
00:59:30.469 --> 00:59:34.409
and begins his rise to power in America. And he's

1072
00:59:34.449 --> 00:59:39.429
going to dominate America for a time. As he is

1073
00:59:39.969 --> 00:59:42.829
beginning his rise, he's standing on a stage. And it's

1074
00:59:42.889 --> 00:59:46.659
on television. It's before the world, everybody. Behind him, his

1075
00:59:46.719 --> 00:59:51.599
rise begins right there. Behind him, there is a structure

1076
00:59:52.059 --> 00:59:55.099
that they built behind him. And that structure, everybody's looking

1077
00:59:55.119 --> 00:59:57.139
at that structure and saying, well, that's kind of weird.

1078
00:59:57.539 --> 01:00:01.579
Was it a Greek temple? You know, what they did

1079
01:00:01.599 --> 01:00:05.030
and whether they knew it or not, what they did

1080
01:00:05.110 --> 01:00:07.570
is they, they built what that structure was, was a

1081
01:00:07.610 --> 01:00:12.170
reproduction of the altar of Pergamon behind the American throne

1082
01:00:12.190 --> 01:00:15.510
of Satan behind the American leader who is about to

1083
01:00:15.570 --> 01:00:18.920
rise to power. And, and, and now that goes, cause

1084
01:00:18.940 --> 01:00:21.420
of the altars now sort of in the west, And

1085
01:00:21.440 --> 01:00:23.000
so what's been happening to the West? You know, it

1086
01:00:23.039 --> 01:00:24.940
used to be, you said before, it's like good and evil.

1087
01:00:25.420 --> 01:00:27.219
You know, you had the Cold War. You knew what

1088
01:00:27.260 --> 01:00:28.760
was good. And you had the throne of Satan there.

1089
01:00:28.780 --> 01:00:30.150
But now the throne of Satan is a little bit,

1090
01:00:30.170 --> 01:00:32.909
it's a bit different. So now what's happening to the West,

1091
01:00:32.949 --> 01:00:36.349
like Europe, is becoming... anti-Christian.

1092
01:00:36.889 --> 01:00:37.050
Right.

1093
01:00:37.110 --> 01:00:39.889
The same pattern that happened to Europe is what we're

1094
01:00:39.909 --> 01:00:40.889
seeing here in America.

1095
01:00:41.329 --> 01:00:44.250
Exactly. And in our mainstream culture, we're watching it to

1096
01:00:44.329 --> 01:00:48.619
a de-Christianization. It follows the altar. So, so now what

1097
01:00:48.659 --> 01:00:51.380
could this actually dovetail with end time prophecy? Cause the,

1098
01:00:51.460 --> 01:00:54.219
you know, the mystery that the altar program is revealing

1099
01:00:54.360 --> 01:00:56.860
is past, present, and future. And the thing is that,

1100
01:00:57.300 --> 01:00:59.659
you know, the Bible speaks about a coming world power

1101
01:01:00.099 --> 01:01:02.820
and a world state, a world state. And it's, and

1102
01:01:03.019 --> 01:01:04.619
now think about now, could this have to do with

1103
01:01:04.639 --> 01:01:07.369
the altar? What was the last power that had the

1104
01:01:07.550 --> 01:01:09.909
altar of Pergamon when it was still functioning, burning? It

1105
01:01:10.230 --> 01:01:15.519
was Rome. Rome. The altar disappears and Rome disappears. The

1106
01:01:15.599 --> 01:01:19.940
altar comes back. Rome is coming back. The Bible speaks

1107
01:01:20.000 --> 01:01:23.159
of a revived form of Roman, which is the one

1108
01:01:23.219 --> 01:01:25.960
world thing. It was a universal empire in some form

1109
01:01:25.980 --> 01:01:29.159
or another. But the other thing is something else comes

1110
01:01:29.199 --> 01:01:33.340
into the world. Right after the altar changes hands again,

1111
01:01:33.380 --> 01:01:38.650
the wall falls. Altar changes hands. Another power is officially born.

1112
01:01:39.510 --> 01:01:42.469
It's called the European Union. It was born right then.

1113
01:01:43.289 --> 01:01:45.690
And right then, and part of this one world thing.

1114
01:01:46.409 --> 01:01:48.599
And you know who possesses the altar right now? It's

1115
01:01:48.619 --> 01:01:50.719
not just Germany. Germany's part of it. It's the European

1116
01:01:50.840 --> 01:01:54.219
Union that has the altar. And the European Union has

1117
01:01:54.340 --> 01:01:57.380
more of Rome than any other entity in history. You know,

1118
01:01:57.440 --> 01:01:59.369
the Roman Empire. And so.

1119
01:01:59.849 --> 01:02:02.449
Are you talking about... I mean, when you talk about

1120
01:02:03.590 --> 01:02:06.469
Rome coming back, The first thing that comes to mind

1121
01:02:06.530 --> 01:02:11.949
is brutality, Rabbi. I mean, they were such a brutal,

1122
01:02:12.949 --> 01:02:13.929
brutal regime.

1123
01:02:14.719 --> 01:02:19.579
Yes, they were. And think about it. I mean, they were,

1124
01:02:19.699 --> 01:02:24.059
what were they before? They were the persecutors of Christians.

1125
01:02:24.599 --> 01:02:24.820
Yes.

1126
01:02:25.639 --> 01:02:29.880
They were the destroyers of Israel. You know, think about that.

1127
01:02:31.619 --> 01:02:33.679
They were the ones that created, they came up with

1128
01:02:33.719 --> 01:02:34.940
the idea of the crucifixion.

1129
01:02:35.800 --> 01:02:38.659
Well, they, they certainly used it. Yeah.

1130
01:02:38.679 --> 01:02:39.760
Or maybe perfected it.

1131
01:02:39.820 --> 01:02:42.920
I guess they used it. They're the ones who crucified.

1132
01:02:42.940 --> 01:02:43.239
Yeah.

1133
01:02:43.360 --> 01:02:45.400
They, they actually, they did the physical crucifying of the

1134
01:02:45.440 --> 01:02:50.269
Lord that they, they persecuted the church, gave, fed them

1135
01:02:50.329 --> 01:02:54.469
to the lions. They destroyed Israel. They came in and

1136
01:02:54.789 --> 01:02:56.250
that's why the Jewish people are all over the world.

1137
01:02:56.750 --> 01:02:59.869
So it's a big thing. So, yes. So it's interesting

1138
01:02:59.889 --> 01:03:02.530
that you're saying that because so every power, think about it,

1139
01:03:02.570 --> 01:03:05.409
every power that's had the altar. turned against, it's that

1140
01:03:05.469 --> 01:03:09.159
same spirit came in then, turned against the Jewish people,

1141
01:03:09.179 --> 01:03:15.440
was against the church, against Christianity, and the final one

1142
01:03:15.900 --> 01:03:20.460
will be the Antichrist. And if the Antichrist, the Antichrist

1143
01:03:20.500 --> 01:03:24.989
is linked to this Roman or European power, he's going

1144
01:03:25.010 --> 01:03:28.489
to possess the throne of Satan. You had Hitler, you

1145
01:03:28.510 --> 01:03:30.929
had Stalin, and now you're going to have the Antichrist.

1146
01:03:31.329 --> 01:03:35.429
And there's so much to this because there's an ancient

1147
01:03:35.530 --> 01:03:41.059
myth that involves a princess and a god of the

1148
01:03:41.099 --> 01:03:45.099
Greeks wants her. So he turns himself into a bull

1149
01:03:45.880 --> 01:03:47.880
and she says, oh, what a nice bull. Gets on

1150
01:03:47.920 --> 01:03:50.639
top of the bull, the bull abducts her, and then

1151
01:03:50.679 --> 01:03:54.320
he reveals himself and then seduces her. Here's the thing.

1152
01:03:54.769 --> 01:03:57.389
The name of the princess, ancient myth, the princess's name,

1153
01:03:57.530 --> 01:04:00.099
ancient name is Europa or Europe.

1154
01:04:00.599 --> 01:04:00.820
Europe.

1155
01:04:01.400 --> 01:04:04.159
Europe gets its name from an ancient myth of a

1156
01:04:04.239 --> 01:04:08.260
woman riding a beast. Think about that. Riding a beast.

1157
01:04:08.639 --> 01:04:10.690
And a woman who was seduced. You know who the

1158
01:04:10.730 --> 01:04:15.369
god was? Zeus. Author of Zeus. So a woman who's

1159
01:04:15.429 --> 01:04:18.090
seduced by Zeus. So now you have the altar of Pergamon,

1160
01:04:18.110 --> 01:04:19.210
which is the throne of Satan, but it's also the

1161
01:04:19.250 --> 01:04:21.579
altar of Zeus, is moved to, is now under the

1162
01:04:21.599 --> 01:04:26.659
possession of Europa. You have the princess and the bull together.

1163
01:04:26.969 --> 01:04:29.639
And what is it? It's about she gets carried away. Well,

1164
01:04:29.900 --> 01:04:32.480
when it comes to Europe first time, she gets carried

1165
01:04:32.519 --> 01:04:35.599
away with Nazism. Then she gets carried away with communism.

1166
01:04:35.960 --> 01:04:37.960
Then now she's going to get carried away with the Antichrist.

1167
01:04:38.699 --> 01:04:41.760
And this goes to a deep thing because, you know,

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when you say about, you're saying like, what was Rome

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and now what's going to be? Well, the other thing

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is that, you know, Rome has a, a fight with Israel.

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It's a long fight. They won that round, they destroyed Israel,

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but Israel's back. And when Israeli soldiers used to get

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sworn in, they'd be sworn in on top of Masada,

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where the Romans took over. And they swear Masada will

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never fall again. In other words, what kind of nation

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01:05:10.769 --> 01:05:13.829
Israel is thinking in terms of 2,000 years? So now

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Israel comes back, Israel comes into the world, You're going

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to have another Rome come back in the world. The

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altar is back in the world. And here's another mystery here.

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Why did the altar come back? Why did the throne

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of Satan come back then? Well, when I looked at it,

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it's just when God started bringing Israel back into the world.

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He started resurrecting. That's the exact moment that the devil

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started bringing the throne of Satan.

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Back into the world.

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It parallels. And so what did he do? Brought it

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to Germany that almost destroyed the Jewish people before God

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could have the nation resurrect him. Then the Soviet Union

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that also tried to destroy Israel. And then the Antichrist

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who willed to try to destroy Israel. So it's all

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linked because the devil knows that when the Jewish people

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come back to that land, somebody else is coming back

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to that land. So, of course, he would do everything

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he could to stop it. And you know the other thing?

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I'm just saying it because I don't think I've said

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it on any show. I'm just saying it to you

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because we know it. That is, the mystery begins actually

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of the altar of Pergamon actually begins with Hanukkah. I mean,

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it begins with the devil from the beginning. But Hanukkah,

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the guy named Antiochus, who's a shadow of the Antichrist,

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He comes to the temple of Jerusalem, desecrates it, defiles it, abomination,

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and then he declares Judaism illegal. He tries to wipe

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01:06:39.000 --> 01:06:41.059
it out. Well, the Antichrist is going to try to

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do the same thing. But the Maccabees end up defeating

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this guy. They take the temple back, and they take

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the altar. He built an altar. They take it off

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the thing. You know what the altar was? The altar

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that was the abomination was the altar of Zeus.

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Hmm.

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Yes. Antiochus had a friend who was, his friend was

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the king of Pergamon. And right after the altar gets

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taken off, the devil loses one round. His friend builds

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the altar of Pergamon, which becomes the center of evil

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against Christians and Jews to this day.

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Well, stay right there. We've got more from Jonathan Cahn

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after this.

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I just know that our audience and those that read

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this book, and this is why, you know, your appeal

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01:12:39.229 --> 01:12:42.050
to get it out there, to bless, because it's a blessing,

1306
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you know, because what does God say? The word says,

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01:12:45.430 --> 01:12:49.430
my people perish for lack of knowledge, right? This book

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01:12:49.689 --> 01:12:53.979
is filled with knowledge. This will fill you with power

1309
01:12:54.260 --> 01:12:57.359
for these days, because the thing that I'm seeing, Rabbi,

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right now is the word contrast keeps coming up in

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01:13:01.220 --> 01:13:05.850
my spirit. There's, you know, it's dark, it's light, it's life,

1312
01:13:05.949 --> 01:13:09.670
it's death, it's good, it's evil. I mean, there's no

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01:13:09.770 --> 01:13:11.449
in-between anymore, right?

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01:13:11.850 --> 01:13:15.010
Yeah, yeah, the grays, what we're watching are the grays disappearing,

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01:13:15.140 --> 01:13:17.500
you know, the middle grounds disappearing. I mean, look at

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01:13:17.520 --> 01:13:19.800
it even politically, you know, the middle grounds disappearing, you know,

1317
01:13:20.079 --> 01:13:22.460
the Democratic Party's becoming, you have the socialists that are

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01:13:22.479 --> 01:13:25.920
going to radicalism, you know, and... You know, you even

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01:13:25.939 --> 01:13:28.600
have some on the right who are going extreme with anti-Semitism.

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01:13:28.619 --> 01:13:31.989
You know, they agree with that about being against Israel.

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01:13:32.029 --> 01:13:34.829
That's the two extremes. But you're watching it. The culture

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01:13:34.850 --> 01:13:37.550
which once considered itself, you know, we grew up in

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01:13:37.590 --> 01:13:40.609
a culture that was considered Christian. Well, now everybody said it,

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01:13:40.609 --> 01:13:43.140
but it's kind of gray because everybody said it. Now

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01:13:43.189 --> 01:13:47.239
it's not. The dark is darker, real anti-Christian and pagan,

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01:13:47.680 --> 01:13:49.840
and the light's got to get brighter. We have to

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01:13:49.880 --> 01:13:52.279
get brighter. You know, the dark's getting darker. We have

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01:13:52.300 --> 01:13:55.659
to get brighter. The middle ground, the grays are disappearing. Right.

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I think that what I'm sensing is God's calling the question,

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who are you for?

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Yeah. Right.

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There's no way you've got to serve somebody. It's going

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01:14:03.899 --> 01:14:04.939
to be the devil or the Lord.

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Well, there it is. Uh, his timely book, the altar

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01:14:08.560 --> 01:14:11.140
of Pergamon, the mystery of the dark angel and the

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01:14:11.180 --> 01:14:14.819
future of the world. Rabbi Jonathan Kahn has done it again.

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01:14:14.819 --> 01:14:20.729
10 New York times bestsellers. Clearly this will be his 11th. And, uh,

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01:14:20.890 --> 01:14:23.489
as Jonathan said, this is a book that, uh, you

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must don't pass, go collect 200 bucks, go straight, get

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your hand on this book for yourself and for your

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family members, because it is that significant. It is that

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01:14:33.890 --> 01:14:37.149
relevant to a time such as this, that we're now

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01:14:37.229 --> 01:14:40.130
living all these questions that you have in mind about

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01:14:40.149 --> 01:14:43.229
the culture and what's going on. I mean, You even

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01:14:43.270 --> 01:14:46.390
have the vice president here recently saying that, you know,

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01:14:46.569 --> 01:14:48.760
we could be very well living in the last days.

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01:14:48.800 --> 01:14:51.420
Billy Graham, before his passing, when he was asked about

1348
01:14:51.460 --> 01:14:53.380
these being the last days, he says, oh, no, these

1349
01:14:53.439 --> 01:14:56.079
are the last of the last days. So the signs

1350
01:14:56.180 --> 01:14:59.590
are here. And just as been said, as in the

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01:14:59.649 --> 01:15:02.050
days of Noah, what was happening in the days of Noah?

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01:15:02.090 --> 01:15:05.029
It was business as usual. You know, things were happening,

1353
01:15:05.069 --> 01:15:09.449
but people were not aware because they weren't aware spiritually.

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01:15:09.960 --> 01:15:12.579
And that's what is needed right now. If you're looking

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01:15:12.720 --> 01:15:16.899
at the world through a temporal perspective, you're going to

1356
01:15:16.939 --> 01:15:20.479
buy into the lies, the deception and the evil, dare

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I say, because as we were talking with Jonathan, you know,

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01:15:24.239 --> 01:15:27.899
he agreed that the grays have been, you know, cleared out.

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01:15:28.060 --> 01:15:30.739
It really is coming down to black and white. And

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you need to decide, are you going to be for

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01:15:33.340 --> 01:15:35.880
God or against God? Are you for good or are

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01:15:35.920 --> 01:15:38.770
you for evil? And I know, you know, in your lifetime,

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01:15:38.810 --> 01:15:41.489
you've heard this come up from time and time again. Gosh,

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I remember in the 60s when I was growing up,

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there was, you know, the music of the day, you know,

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all the protest music because of Vietnam. And you remember

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01:15:49.779 --> 01:15:52.699
the Eve of Destruction, Barry Maguire? And it just seemed

1368
01:15:52.720 --> 01:15:55.579
like there was so much there. And it's interesting because

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01:15:55.619 --> 01:15:57.920
I was thinking about that. And I thought, where is

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01:15:58.000 --> 01:16:01.319
the music today that would give us any kind of warning?

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01:16:01.869 --> 01:16:06.600
You notice how quiet it is? Even movies, you know,

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01:16:06.640 --> 01:16:10.359
they've been kind of blunted. It seems to be more

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01:16:11.819 --> 01:16:15.180
a delivering of amusement, things that would distract us and

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01:16:15.560 --> 01:16:20.380
blind us from, you know, the spiritual reality of what's happening.

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And that is that, you know, we know this, you know,

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01:16:23.020 --> 01:16:25.039
we're not here for the long haul. You know, there

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01:16:25.079 --> 01:16:27.800
is a beginning and there is an end in this

1378
01:16:28.300 --> 01:16:32.100
present life. The question is, after this, where are you

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going to be? Do you want to be with God

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or without God? God gives us the free will to

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01:16:37.979 --> 01:16:41.539
make that choice. He loves us enough that he gives

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01:16:41.640 --> 01:16:47.050
us that authority, you know, to choose who you want

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01:16:47.069 --> 01:16:50.470
to serve. And you're going to serve somebody. You right now,

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01:16:50.550 --> 01:16:53.029
even you're serving somebody and you just have to pause

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01:16:53.069 --> 01:16:56.529
and think about, you know, who are you serving? And

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01:16:56.569 --> 01:17:00.189
it's clear that if you're not serving God, then you

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01:17:00.250 --> 01:17:03.960
might analyze, you might take a close look at how

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life really is. And it might be tough if you're,

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you know, that kind of individual where right now everything's hunky-dory,

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you're making good money, you got a balance on your

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checkbook and your 401k looks good. You know, you're like

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01:17:17.039 --> 01:17:19.420
that rich man who came to Jesus and said, what

1393
01:17:19.439 --> 01:17:21.399
do I need to do to earn the kingdom of heaven?

1394
01:17:21.840 --> 01:17:23.640
He said, well, keep the laws. Well, I've done that.

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I've kept the laws from birth. I've done all that.

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What else can I do? And Jesus said, sell everything.

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You know, in other words, let go of the temporal

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things of this world and And focus on eternity. Pick

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up your cross and follow me, he said. And the

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young man went away with his head down and a

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bit depressed because he realized when Jesus called that question

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01:17:47.630 --> 01:17:51.109
that he didn't want to do that. And, you know,

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01:17:51.250 --> 01:17:53.289
and this is kind of where we are, is that,

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you know, when you come to that point of decision,

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are you willing to pick up your cross? I mean,

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it's easy to talk about it. Oh, yeah, pick up

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01:18:00.619 --> 01:18:03.960
your cross and follow Jesus, that sounds good, you know,

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01:18:05.020 --> 01:18:07.569
when you're just talking about it, but when you actually

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01:18:07.689 --> 01:18:10.970
have to do it, and this is where we are

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01:18:11.029 --> 01:18:13.289
right now, and this is what Jonathan has so brilliantly

1411
01:18:13.329 --> 01:18:16.710
brought out in this story within a story, you know,

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01:18:16.729 --> 01:18:19.369
much like if you remember the Harbinger, you had this

1413
01:18:19.489 --> 01:18:24.880
allegory wrapped into the message that was real, and here,

1414
01:18:25.279 --> 01:18:28.210
don't get fooled. I mean, Yes, it's a quick read.

1415
01:18:28.289 --> 01:18:31.760
It adds some, I guess, a little bit of novelty

1416
01:18:31.840 --> 01:18:36.239
and interest, and it reads very quickly, this altar of Pergamon.

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01:18:37.619 --> 01:18:43.090
But in the story, within that story, you know, they're

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01:18:43.119 --> 01:18:47.149
undeniable facts. I say undeniable because, again, if you don't

1419
01:18:47.210 --> 01:18:49.810
have spiritual eyes, if you don't have a spiritual understanding

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01:18:49.829 --> 01:18:52.279
of it's just, okay, you might as well read a

1421
01:18:52.319 --> 01:18:56.399
romance novel. But for those of us whose eyes are open,

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01:18:56.420 --> 01:18:58.060
and I pray that your eyes would be open, even

1423
01:18:58.100 --> 01:19:00.239
if right now they're not, I pray that when you

1424
01:19:00.260 --> 01:19:03.640
get this book that your eyes would be open and

1425
01:19:03.659 --> 01:19:06.119
that God Almighty would give you the unction and the

1426
01:19:06.159 --> 01:19:09.369
Holy Spirit to open up your eyes and open up

1427
01:19:10.279 --> 01:19:13.289
your channels of belief so you could see what's happening

1428
01:19:13.310 --> 01:19:16.670
in this world and how crazy it is. And maybe

1429
01:19:16.710 --> 01:19:20.270
it's not right there in your zip code. Maybe it's just,

1430
01:19:20.329 --> 01:19:23.140
you know, it might be in a city somewhere else nearby,

1431
01:19:23.180 --> 01:19:24.840
but you think, hey, it's never going to happen here.

1432
01:19:24.859 --> 01:19:27.859
But the fact is, is the influences, even though you

1433
01:19:27.899 --> 01:19:29.560
may think a lot of this stuff is happening in

1434
01:19:29.619 --> 01:19:32.579
Europe and Berlin, no, you can see what's happening and

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01:19:32.600 --> 01:19:37.789
how it was manifested, even as Jonathan explained and gave

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us a little bit of insight and helped us remember

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what happened with Barack Obama. So get your hands on

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Let me ask you, Rabbi, you know, we've got about

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nine minutes left here. I mean, I really appreciate your time.

1507
01:24:00.300 --> 01:24:02.619
We're able to get into some extra detail here.

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01:24:03.640 --> 01:24:04.119
Is that.

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01:24:05.640 --> 01:24:08.380
With things lining up right now, with what's going on

1510
01:24:08.439 --> 01:24:12.250
in Iran. And you've got this, you know, this other

1511
01:24:12.310 --> 01:24:16.750
trinity going on, Iran, China, and Russia. And we know

1512
01:24:16.850 --> 01:24:21.250
that Israel will be attacked from the north. How is

1513
01:24:21.289 --> 01:24:25.229
that playing? Is there a connection here with the throne

1514
01:24:25.250 --> 01:24:29.210
of Satan and these three countries moving on Israel?

1515
01:24:29.989 --> 01:24:33.029
Well, there is in a few ways. I mean, interesting.

1516
01:24:33.520 --> 01:24:37.989
First of all, okay, you mentioned Russia and you mentioned China. Okay.

1517
01:24:38.210 --> 01:24:41.840
China is still under this darkness that is linked to

1518
01:24:41.880 --> 01:24:43.100
the altar of communism.

1519
01:24:43.319 --> 01:24:43.539
Okay.

1520
01:24:43.619 --> 01:24:43.840
Right.

1521
01:24:44.000 --> 01:24:47.239
Russia was, and Russia, this power was used in this

1522
01:24:47.779 --> 01:24:52.920
against the Jewish people. Iran is an ancient nation that

1523
01:24:52.960 --> 01:24:54.770
the Bible says will be an enemy of Israel in

1524
01:24:54.810 --> 01:24:58.329
the last days. When it talks about in Ezekiel 38

1525
01:24:58.329 --> 01:25:00.350
and 39, there's going to be an invasion and Iran

1526
01:25:00.369 --> 01:25:02.850
is going to be, you know, Iran has never directly

1527
01:25:03.090 --> 01:25:06.369
been at war with Israel directly until these last few years.

1528
01:25:06.489 --> 01:25:10.039
Never happened. We crossed a prophetic line. And the nations

1529
01:25:10.079 --> 01:25:11.680
that the Bible says are going to be part of

1530
01:25:11.720 --> 01:25:15.260
that attack on Israel, for the first time, they were

1531
01:25:15.380 --> 01:25:18.000
all part of something together, an attack, which they were

1532
01:25:18.220 --> 01:25:21.319
all linked to October 7th. They funded it, they drained it,

1533
01:25:21.829 --> 01:25:24.699
all of them. So you're seeing that all line up.

1534
01:25:24.890 --> 01:25:29.420
And Ezekiel 38 and 39 leads up to Um, you know,

1535
01:25:29.600 --> 01:25:33.340
really revelation. I mean, what you see, this comes before Armageddon.

1536
01:25:33.380 --> 01:25:35.520
This is something before that, but it leads up to it.

1537
01:25:35.880 --> 01:25:38.060
And when you read also interesting things, when you read

1538
01:25:38.119 --> 01:25:42.649
Ezekiel 38 and 39, what comes right after it? Ezekiel

1539
01:25:42.649 --> 01:25:45.569
40 is about the building of the temple. So every

1540
01:25:45.630 --> 01:25:47.909
Jewish person, when this thing happens, when Ezekiel 38 and

1541
01:25:47.909 --> 01:25:50.189
39 is fulfilled, every Jewish person in the world is

1542
01:25:50.210 --> 01:25:53.560
going to be reading Ezekiel 38 and 39. And then

1543
01:25:53.600 --> 01:25:57.220
the next chapter says, okay, now rebuild the temple. So

1544
01:25:57.239 --> 01:26:00.050
they're going to rebuild the temple. You know, now an

1545
01:26:00.109 --> 01:26:02.250
interesting thing about this is, you know, at the end,

1546
01:26:02.350 --> 01:26:05.829
it's all, the final war is, the final spot is

1547
01:26:05.970 --> 01:26:09.189
the temple. I mean, because that's, think about that. We

1548
01:26:09.210 --> 01:26:11.670
started at the beginning with the devil saying, I will

1549
01:26:11.710 --> 01:26:14.949
lift up my throne. I'll sit on the mountain of

1550
01:26:15.630 --> 01:26:18.979
the assembly. That's the temple. Where was God enthroned on earth?

1551
01:26:19.439 --> 01:26:21.800
He was enthroned on the temple mount. I mean, that

1552
01:26:21.819 --> 01:26:25.489
was a place. So the devil wants that. Okay. Yeah.

1553
01:26:25.569 --> 01:26:26.569
So it's interesting.

1554
01:26:26.609 --> 01:26:28.609
That's where God has placed his name and his word.

1555
01:26:28.930 --> 01:26:32.409
Yes. Yes. And that is where the Lord Messiah, Jesus

1556
01:26:32.479 --> 01:26:35.020
is going to rule, going to reign from. So, yeah.

1557
01:26:35.140 --> 01:26:37.779
And so therefore it's interesting because when you say, because

1558
01:26:38.279 --> 01:26:40.039
the altar of Pergamon is linked to that mystery from

1559
01:26:40.060 --> 01:26:41.979
the beginning, the devil tried to put up that altar

1560
01:26:42.000 --> 01:26:45.180
of Zeus. Then, then, then his friend built the altar

1561
01:26:45.199 --> 01:26:47.600
of Pergamon. And now we got the altar of Pergamon

1562
01:26:47.640 --> 01:26:50.600
with all these evil things trying to against Israel. Right.

1563
01:26:51.060 --> 01:26:54.199
And then the antichrist, you know, Now the Antichrist is

1564
01:26:54.229 --> 01:26:56.390
going to defile that temple. He's going to be an abomination.

1565
01:26:58.029 --> 01:26:59.890
Now it's interesting. This is where I've never said this

1566
01:26:59.949 --> 01:27:04.109
ever before. The amazing thing, and Bill, this is just

1567
01:27:04.609 --> 01:27:06.430
the last few days. I don't know what I put

1568
01:27:06.449 --> 01:27:10.630
in the book, but I'm looking at the abomination, the

1569
01:27:10.670 --> 01:27:13.189
first one that was the shadow, which is what happened

1570
01:27:13.229 --> 01:27:17.369
in Daniel, which happened with Hanukkah. It wasn't even an idol.

1571
01:27:17.390 --> 01:27:20.989
It was the altar of Zeus, which then becomes the

1572
01:27:21.050 --> 01:27:25.069
altar of Pergamon, Abomination, you know, could this be linked

1573
01:27:25.100 --> 01:27:28.260
to that final desecration? You know, of the temple, everything

1574
01:27:28.300 --> 01:27:31.220
we're talking about? Because it is there. And I told

1575
01:27:31.239 --> 01:27:33.800
you the Antichrist will undoubtedly have possession of the throne

1576
01:27:33.819 --> 01:27:36.100
of Satan. And the other thing is, if you go

1577
01:27:36.140 --> 01:27:39.000
on the Temple Mount today and you look and write

1578
01:27:39.020 --> 01:27:42.619
what's over where God's throne was, it's the Dome of

1579
01:27:42.640 --> 01:27:43.000
the Rock.

1580
01:27:43.039 --> 01:27:43.779
The Dome of the Rock.

1581
01:27:43.819 --> 01:27:44.199
Yeah, right.

1582
01:27:44.239 --> 01:27:45.699
But if you look at the Dome of the Rock

1583
01:27:45.939 --> 01:27:49.340
and you look at the marble, the pieces that they

1584
01:27:49.399 --> 01:27:53.949
put in there, they didn't mean this. The marble forms

1585
01:27:54.210 --> 01:27:57.390
a very clear, you're looking at it, it's the face

1586
01:27:57.689 --> 01:28:02.920
of Satan staring at you with horns, with everything, right

1587
01:28:03.159 --> 01:28:06.060
on there. You know, he said, I will put my throne,

1588
01:28:06.140 --> 01:28:09.970
I will sit where the Most High sits. Amazing. It's true.

1589
01:28:10.359 --> 01:28:12.630
And the entire history of the world has been affected

1590
01:28:12.670 --> 01:28:14.229
by it, and it will be affected. But let me just,

1591
01:28:14.430 --> 01:28:15.710
let me bring it to a good thing.

1592
01:28:15.909 --> 01:28:17.670
Well, let me just say this. It's interesting, because you

1593
01:28:17.710 --> 01:28:20.600
talk about, he says he's going to sit, where the

1594
01:28:20.659 --> 01:28:23.939
most high sits. Well, now we've gone from when he

1595
01:28:23.979 --> 01:28:26.939
was kicked out of heaven, he exalted himself five times

1596
01:28:27.020 --> 01:28:29.569
and wanted to be above God. Now he's willing to

1597
01:28:29.630 --> 01:28:32.369
compromise and say, I want to be as God, and

1598
01:28:32.449 --> 01:28:34.770
I will sit at the same level as God.

1599
01:28:35.189 --> 01:28:35.550
Yes.

1600
01:28:35.850 --> 01:28:37.729
If I'm reading that and hearing that correctly.

1601
01:28:37.949 --> 01:28:39.989
Yeah, yeah. What did he say he's going to do?

1602
01:28:40.069 --> 01:28:43.199
to exalt? His throne. Yes. Throne of Satan.

1603
01:28:43.600 --> 01:28:43.840
Yes.

1604
01:28:44.199 --> 01:28:46.979
And so to bring this home, you know, listen, every

1605
01:28:47.020 --> 01:28:48.920
book of mine ends with hope and ends with a charge.

1606
01:28:49.199 --> 01:28:51.239
And here's the thing. Listen, this is why I'm also

1607
01:28:51.279 --> 01:28:53.899
praying that people watching, don't just get it for yourself.

1608
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Get it for people in your life who need to

1609
01:28:55.899 --> 01:28:58.180
be saved. Because they're going to be drawn into it.

1610
01:28:59.229 --> 01:29:01.880
It's a story. But it's going to show how real

1611
01:29:01.920 --> 01:29:04.100
God is, how real his word is, and then how

1612
01:29:04.140 --> 01:29:06.539
we have to get saved. Because it all goes right

1613
01:29:06.560 --> 01:29:09.630
to salvation. Right on. Okay, so the thing is this. Listen,

1614
01:29:09.750 --> 01:29:12.149
if God, if the enemy is real, and the devil

1615
01:29:12.189 --> 01:29:14.489
is very real, look, it's almost destroyed the world. I mean,

1616
01:29:14.529 --> 01:29:16.880
it's how real it is. then God is even more real.

1617
01:29:17.159 --> 01:29:19.180
And that means every word of the Bible, look, this

1618
01:29:19.220 --> 01:29:21.149
whole thing comes from Revelation where it talks about this,

1619
01:29:21.350 --> 01:29:24.770
and look what it reveals. How incredible the word of

1620
01:29:24.810 --> 01:29:28.210
God is. It's real. Every promise is real. And the

1621
01:29:28.250 --> 01:29:31.989
devil's fighting God because he has his own altar because

1622
01:29:32.010 --> 01:29:33.829
he hates God's altar. You know what God's altar is?

1623
01:29:34.130 --> 01:29:37.500
The cross. It doesn't take life. He gives life. You know, it's, it's,

1624
01:29:37.680 --> 01:29:40.279
it's our beautiful God who gives us life. That's where

1625
01:29:40.319 --> 01:29:42.100
we got to come to. That's what overcomes, that's what

1626
01:29:42.119 --> 01:29:44.729
overcomes the devil. And it says they will overcome him

1627
01:29:44.810 --> 01:29:47.010
by the blood of the lamb, you know? So, so,

1628
01:29:47.090 --> 01:29:49.369
and remember that the devil's been trying to destroy Israel for,

1629
01:29:49.569 --> 01:29:52.310
for over like thousands of years, but they're all those

1630
01:29:52.369 --> 01:29:55.720
powers are gone. but Israel still lives because God lives,

1631
01:29:55.739 --> 01:29:58.680
because Messiah lives, and we're going to live. We prevail,

1632
01:29:58.760 --> 01:30:00.979
we win in the end, but be strong. The fight

1633
01:30:01.039 --> 01:30:03.100
is real, but if you fight, you're going to win.

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01:30:03.399 --> 01:30:05.439
So if I could just say, listen, I just say,

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01:30:05.800 --> 01:30:07.579
it should be, the altar program is just coming out now,

1636
01:30:07.619 --> 01:30:11.899
but you'll get it anywhere. If they go online now, Amazon, anywhere,

1637
01:30:12.000 --> 01:30:13.920
it's going to be there. If you go to any

1638
01:30:13.939 --> 01:30:16.500
bookstore in a moment, it's going to be there. But again,

1639
01:30:16.779 --> 01:30:19.340
think about people in your life who need to get saved.

1640
01:30:19.420 --> 01:30:22.159
That's my... There's a story there. It's a thriller. But

1641
01:30:22.180 --> 01:30:25.399
there's so much more. Even though Bill is so gracious,

1642
01:30:25.439 --> 01:30:28.010
he gives me the time to get into all these things,

1643
01:30:28.350 --> 01:30:30.329
we just touch the surface. There's so much more to

1644
01:30:30.369 --> 01:30:30.829
this mystery.

1645
01:30:31.409 --> 01:30:34.989
Right, exactly. As you said, the book reveals, what, over

1646
01:30:34.989 --> 01:30:35.869
200 mysteries?

1647
01:30:35.909 --> 01:30:37.470
We counted about 200 mysteries.

1648
01:30:38.090 --> 01:30:38.289
Wow.

1649
01:30:40.090 --> 01:30:43.409
Like I said, put on your seatbelt and your crash helmet.

1650
01:30:44.210 --> 01:30:45.289
Rabbi is always an honor.

1651
01:30:45.310 --> 01:30:45.850
It looks like this.

1652
01:30:45.890 --> 01:30:45.970
Yes.

1653
01:30:47.920 --> 01:30:50.899
Yeah, it looks like this, the mystery of the dark angels.

1654
01:30:50.920 --> 01:30:53.220
So if you see that anywhere, you got it.

1655
01:30:53.659 --> 01:30:55.939
Yeah, so you want to run to it. Run to it,

1656
01:30:56.170 --> 01:30:59.029
get your hands on it, get your neighbor, run with

1657
01:30:59.050 --> 01:31:03.750
your neighbor, your family members, because this is going to,

1658
01:31:04.789 --> 01:31:07.909
all these things that are happening, because the number one question, Rabbi,

1659
01:31:07.930 --> 01:31:10.789
the number one question I get is, is God judging us?

1660
01:31:12.010 --> 01:31:16.170
Yeah, well, we are certainly in danger of judgment and

1661
01:31:16.590 --> 01:31:19.130
under that. And as any nation that has been so

1662
01:31:19.170 --> 01:31:22.050
blessed as America has been, we've been blessed for as

1663
01:31:22.090 --> 01:31:23.510
much as we follow God and as much as we

1664
01:31:23.529 --> 01:31:26.210
blessed Israel or the Jewish people. That's a law. But

1665
01:31:26.449 --> 01:31:28.109
we've turned away. We're turning away from one. And now

1666
01:31:28.149 --> 01:31:29.989
we're now we're in danger of turning away from the other.

1667
01:31:30.390 --> 01:31:33.779
All bets are off. So, yeah. And he also judges

1668
01:31:33.880 --> 01:31:37.350
us also correctively, too, because in the sense that. He

1669
01:31:37.369 --> 01:31:39.609
allows things to happen to try to pull us back.

1670
01:31:39.670 --> 01:31:41.130
That's what he did with Israel. Exactly. To bring us back.

1671
01:31:41.189 --> 01:31:43.670
So there is already that happening. You know, things are,

1672
01:31:43.850 --> 01:31:46.569
everybody senses things are not right. Everybody senses it's not

1673
01:31:46.609 --> 01:31:49.640
like it was. Things are not right. There's something brewing

1674
01:31:49.659 --> 01:31:51.779
and there's something not right. Because when you take God out,

1675
01:31:51.840 --> 01:31:54.000
it's never going to be right. So he allows it

1676
01:31:54.079 --> 01:31:56.539
in his mercy to call us back. Only when there's

1677
01:31:56.560 --> 01:31:59.439
no more hope, that's it. You know, so yeah, we

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01:31:59.460 --> 01:32:00.060
need revival.

1679
01:32:00.739 --> 01:32:00.880
Amen.

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01:32:02.899 --> 01:32:05.500
Preceded by repentance because we had to know.

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01:32:05.239 --> 01:32:07.159
You can't have revival without repentance.

1682
01:32:07.199 --> 01:32:10.609
Exactly rabbi jonathan khan the book the altar of pergamon

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the mystery of the dark angel and the future of

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the world rabbi always thank you so much god bless.

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You thank you bill always always a joy thank you.

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Hey, welcome back. Bill Martinez here. For more information on

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the show, you can go to BillMartinezLive.com. Well, young leaders

1755
01:36:29.210 --> 01:36:32.550
are feeling hurt. This is according to a Key Club survey,

1756
01:36:32.609 --> 01:36:36.479
which reveals high levels of belonging and confidence as concerns

1757
01:36:36.539 --> 01:36:40.720
about youth loneliness and disengagement rise. Now, Key Club members

1758
01:36:40.760 --> 01:36:44.819
report strong peer connections, civic engagement, and a sense of purpose.

1759
01:36:44.890 --> 01:36:48.090
With us to talk about it is Michelle Studi-Campbell. She's

1760
01:36:48.109 --> 01:36:51.850
an executive director at of Youth Programs with Kiwanis. Hey, Michelle,

1761
01:36:51.869 --> 01:36:53.600
good morning to you. Welcome, Michelle. Good to have you

1762
01:36:53.640 --> 01:36:53.890
with us.

1763
01:36:54.500 --> 01:36:55.699
Good day. How are you, sir?

1764
01:36:56.039 --> 01:36:57.880
Hey, I'm doing terrific. I mean, to hear about Key Club,

1765
01:36:57.899 --> 01:36:59.779
I mean, it takes me back to my high school years.

1766
01:37:00.100 --> 01:37:02.079
I was telling you, I was the Key Club president.

1767
01:37:02.100 --> 01:37:03.359
I don't know what that means, but anyway.

1768
01:37:03.760 --> 01:37:04.119
Yeah, I do.

1769
01:37:04.340 --> 01:37:05.899
It was just a lot of fun. We had a

1770
01:37:05.930 --> 01:37:07.609
great group of people there in California.

1771
01:37:08.670 --> 01:37:09.189
Outstanding.

1772
01:37:09.210 --> 01:37:12.430
Well, you know, we got our start in California in 1925.

1773
01:37:12.430 --> 01:37:14.670
We started in a great state of California.

1774
01:37:15.090 --> 01:37:17.350
Well, there it is. Well, in a world that continues

1775
01:37:17.380 --> 01:37:20.640
to feel more isolated, Key Club, is helping students build

1776
01:37:20.699 --> 01:37:25.319
something increasingly valuable, real-world connections, that is, at the 2026

1777
01:37:25.319 --> 01:37:29.659
Key Club International Convention in Dallas, Texas. Students participated in

1778
01:37:29.720 --> 01:37:35.039
daily surveys exploring civic involvement, community engagement, policy, peer relationships,

1779
01:37:35.380 --> 01:37:39.090
and mental health and more. Well, Michelle, tell us, what

1780
01:37:39.199 --> 01:37:41.329
did you discern from all these meetings?

1781
01:37:42.390 --> 01:37:44.689
Yeah, so this was the first time we've taken these

1782
01:37:44.829 --> 01:37:47.989
pulse check surveys. We had one question for our thousand

1783
01:37:48.050 --> 01:37:52.069
students that were at convention. Every evening, we asked them

1784
01:37:52.109 --> 01:37:56.170
their thoughts on really just civic engagement, how confident they

1785
01:37:56.210 --> 01:38:00.020
felt in making changes in this world, how hopeful they were,

1786
01:38:00.520 --> 01:38:04.199
and the results were outstanding. We're very excited to see

1787
01:38:04.239 --> 01:38:07.859
that our students are feeling connected and hopeful about the future.

1788
01:38:08.729 --> 01:38:12.229
Well, you know, we ask today, and I have reminded

1789
01:38:12.289 --> 01:38:14.569
our audience about this, that it is critical that the

1790
01:38:14.609 --> 01:38:17.880
young people feel that their voice matters, right?

1791
01:38:18.039 --> 01:38:18.260
Yes.

1792
01:38:19.100 --> 01:38:21.279
Yeah, I mean, that's important for everyone, right? That you

1793
01:38:21.300 --> 01:38:23.520
feel that your voice matters, that you have some voice

1794
01:38:23.579 --> 01:38:26.649
and choice in this world. And so it's critically important

1795
01:38:26.689 --> 01:38:29.229
for young people as well. You know, they're able to

1796
01:38:29.289 --> 01:38:31.500
roll up their sleeves. and make a difference in their

1797
01:38:31.539 --> 01:38:34.979
community with their time talent and treasure and you know

1798
01:38:35.000 --> 01:38:37.520
they really get to choose what are the community projects

1799
01:38:37.539 --> 01:38:40.279
that are so important to their community and to the

1800
01:38:40.319 --> 01:38:42.840
students within the club it's student-led as you know you

1801
01:38:42.880 --> 01:38:44.239
were the president Right.

1802
01:38:44.399 --> 01:38:44.859
Exactly.

1803
01:38:44.880 --> 01:38:47.539
And we had a lot of great people. And you're

1804
01:38:47.560 --> 01:38:51.520
exactly right, because we followed an incredible legacy there in

1805
01:38:51.560 --> 01:38:54.350
California where we were, you know, a part of the

1806
01:38:54.390 --> 01:38:58.770
community doing just that, as you said, that we we engaged.

1807
01:38:59.029 --> 01:39:01.750
And it was the thing that was so positive about,

1808
01:39:01.770 --> 01:39:04.170
especially when we engaged with businesses. I think they were

1809
01:39:04.189 --> 01:39:06.909
surprised to see, you know, the kind of leadership and

1810
01:39:06.930 --> 01:39:09.489
the kind of people that, you know, Key Club was

1811
01:39:09.569 --> 01:39:12.010
bringing to bear on, you know, an issue to help them.

1812
01:39:13.090 --> 01:39:17.710
Yeah, absolutely. And I think for generations, Key Club has

1813
01:39:17.789 --> 01:39:20.800
been such a special part of communities, not just here

1814
01:39:20.819 --> 01:39:24.220
in the United States, but 44 countries. We have Key Clubs.

1815
01:39:24.600 --> 01:39:28.279
We are making a difference locally and internationally. We have

1816
01:39:28.359 --> 01:39:32.159
great partnerships with UNICEF USA. We helped start the Trick

1817
01:39:32.189 --> 01:39:35.890
or Treat for UNICEF movement. We work with the Thirst Project.

1818
01:39:35.930 --> 01:39:39.119
So our students are not only working towards making their

1819
01:39:39.199 --> 01:39:42.430
local communities better through service, but then also we do

1820
01:39:42.470 --> 01:39:44.989
international projects as well to have an impact.

1821
01:39:45.369 --> 01:39:45.710
Excellent.

1822
01:39:45.970 --> 01:39:47.909
What is it about being a part of K-Club that

1823
01:39:48.090 --> 01:39:51.409
has led to its neighbors reporting, or I should say

1824
01:39:51.449 --> 01:39:55.010
its neighbors as members, reporting such positive feelings of connection

1825
01:39:55.069 --> 01:39:55.760
and belonging?

1826
01:39:55.770 --> 01:39:59.840
Well, again, I think it's student-led and that these meetings

1827
01:39:59.880 --> 01:40:02.659
are in real life. We do Zoom every now and again,

1828
01:40:02.720 --> 01:40:05.460
but more and more we're together. You get to put

1829
01:40:05.500 --> 01:40:10.050
down your phones. step outside of your headspace and doom scrolling,

1830
01:40:10.470 --> 01:40:13.409
and connect in a real way that brings an impact

1831
01:40:13.449 --> 01:40:16.149
to your community. And I think that for young people

1832
01:40:16.210 --> 01:40:19.350
to see the results of their time and talent right

1833
01:40:19.399 --> 01:40:21.880
there in front of them, it's critically important. And they

1834
01:40:21.920 --> 01:40:24.659
know that they're making a difference every time that they're together.

1835
01:40:25.279 --> 01:40:26.939
It gives them a place at the table, doesn't it?

1836
01:40:27.220 --> 01:40:27.880
Absolutely.

1837
01:40:27.899 --> 01:40:32.050
Yeah. And the fact that they're able to express themselves

1838
01:40:32.899 --> 01:40:35.359
and talk some of these things out because it's important.

1839
01:40:35.380 --> 01:40:37.840
And I think that this is some of the challenge

1840
01:40:37.859 --> 01:40:40.399
that we have today with young people is I often

1841
01:40:40.460 --> 01:40:44.039
catch myself saying, well, good observation, wrong conclusion, which means

1842
01:40:44.100 --> 01:40:46.020
we just need to talk about it a little bit

1843
01:40:46.100 --> 01:40:50.239
more to understand where this thinking actually ends up, right?

1844
01:40:50.979 --> 01:40:54.060
Exactly. And I think that's what's so special about Key Club.

1845
01:40:54.439 --> 01:40:58.359
We teach students, we give them the framework for the

1846
01:40:58.399 --> 01:41:03.279
community research, right? Like just because you think that, animal

1847
01:41:03.319 --> 01:41:06.279
welfare is the biggest issue in your community, right? We

1848
01:41:06.430 --> 01:41:08.550
teach that the framework that you need to do the research,

1849
01:41:08.609 --> 01:41:11.529
meet the partners, talk to other people involved, so that

1850
01:41:11.550 --> 01:41:14.510
you're not just coming up with a solution in search

1851
01:41:14.569 --> 01:41:15.229
of a problem.

1852
01:41:15.770 --> 01:41:19.390
Right, exactly. Well, and as you say, participation in these

1853
01:41:19.470 --> 01:41:24.680
service projects and community engagement affects students' mental well-being, confidence,

1854
01:41:24.720 --> 01:41:26.800
and sense of purpose. As you said, as they go

1855
01:41:26.840 --> 01:41:33.060
through this process and they work on a proven system

1856
01:41:33.420 --> 01:41:35.659
that gives them the results that they expect so they're

1857
01:41:35.680 --> 01:41:38.840
not wasting their time, they feel, hey, look, this is

1858
01:41:38.880 --> 01:41:40.619
a good investment. I'm glad I did.

1859
01:41:40.539 --> 01:41:41.060
This, right?

1860
01:41:41.640 --> 01:41:42.600
Absolutely, yeah.

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So they really see the return of on their hard

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work and effort. And I think that really just sparks

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a fire. And we see it time and time again

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that a Key Club may start with eight to 10

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students and it continues to grow and grow as students

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learn their power and their impact in their community.

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It really is catchy.

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Yeah, the thing that I found interesting in thinking back, Michelle,

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is that I was surprised that we had a pretty

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good active group in Key Club. And these young people, how...

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they were just naturally motivated for service. I thought that

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was so cool. That kind of blew me away, you know, because,

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you know, I knew a couple of people who were

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involved in certain extracurricular activities, but to see the people

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that came out and were willing to engage like this,

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01:42:29.579 --> 01:42:32.560
you know, for no pay volunteer, right?

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Yes.

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Yeah.

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So, so, and I imagine that sense continues even to

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this day, right?

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01:42:40.479 --> 01:42:41.140
Absolutely.

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A lot of times students will tell us they joined

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to help build their LinkedIn profile for college applications, but

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they stay because of the connections and the friendships and

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01:42:50.510 --> 01:42:53.470
they see the impact of their service. And Key Club,

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01:42:53.550 --> 01:42:56.250
one of the statistics I'm so incredibly proud of is

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01:42:56.310 --> 01:43:00.210
that our students repeatedly say that Key Club is where

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01:43:00.250 --> 01:43:04.939
they feel welcomed and wanted. And what a powerful, powerful

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01:43:05.000 --> 01:43:07.460
result in today's society for that.

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01:43:08.159 --> 01:43:11.239
Well, Michelle Stude Campbell serves as the director of Kiwanis

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Youth Programs at Kiwanis International, where she leads and supports

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01:43:14.539 --> 01:43:18.930
the organization's global network of youth leadership programs. Well, let's

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01:43:18.970 --> 01:43:22.149
talk about, you know, the positive effect it's having on

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01:43:22.229 --> 01:43:26.149
parents and civic leaders in a more broadly term and

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01:43:26.210 --> 01:43:30.590
how they're learning from Key Club's success in fostering connection, leadership,

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01:43:30.689 --> 01:43:32.640
and civic engagement among young people.

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01:43:33.569 --> 01:43:36.710
Yeah, so I think, you know, back to our previous

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topic and talking about getting students engaged, right? I think

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a lot of times adults are shocked that students care

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so deeply about certain causes and that they have so

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01:43:46.789 --> 01:43:50.890
many creative solutions to issues within their community. And I

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01:43:50.970 --> 01:43:56.039
think that involving community leaders and elected officials, as well

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01:43:56.079 --> 01:43:59.840
as parents, to see the value is so incredibly important.

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01:44:00.359 --> 01:44:04.439
Kiwanis International is the sponsor of Key Club. And, you know,

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01:44:04.460 --> 01:44:08.359
we work very closely with those community-minded adults to grow

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01:44:08.439 --> 01:44:12.770
Key Club and to teach leadership skills through the service.

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01:44:14.210 --> 01:44:15.930
One of the challenges that the young people have been

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01:44:15.989 --> 01:44:19.949
having is the issue of isolation. How does Key Club

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01:44:20.020 --> 01:44:20.859
help with this issue?

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01:44:21.859 --> 01:44:24.399
Yeah, so I think it's really just as simple as

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it's hard to keep doom scrolling on your phone in

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the middle of a community park cleanup. So we provide

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opportunities to put down your devices and certainly after you

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01:44:36.970 --> 01:44:40.470
listen to this program, but put down your devices and

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01:44:40.510 --> 01:44:43.789
get involved in your community. And that's anything from even

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just a planning meeting, right? Like you want to be

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01:44:45.729 --> 01:44:48.859
focused and locked in. And this gives you the opportunity

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to kind of get outside of your head and connect

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01:44:52.029 --> 01:44:54.270
with others to find your core friend group and to

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make a difference.

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What's the key message that you want young perspective Key

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01:44:59.590 --> 01:45:01.789
Club members to have?

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01:45:02.890 --> 01:45:06.890
Well, I think it's become part of Key Club. Join

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our family and you'll see just exactly your impact. We

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01:45:10.729 --> 01:45:13.710
will help you amplify your voice and make a difference

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in your community and grow as a leader as well.

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01:45:17.119 --> 01:45:20.899
I think they'll be surprised at where their skillset, how

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01:45:21.000 --> 01:45:26.020
it can fit, because there are so many opportunities within

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01:45:26.090 --> 01:45:29.930
key club to exercise your giftings and talents in a

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way that you didn't think was possible. And you may

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01:45:32.890 --> 01:45:34.510
have seen some of these other kids, you may have

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called them, well, you know, back in our days, they

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01:45:36.409 --> 01:45:38.130
were socials, you know, they were, Oh, that was the,

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you know, unique group or whatever, you know, kind of deal,

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but you'd be surprised how the connection will engage you. And, uh,

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and be a platform to get some new friends and

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to exercise a part of your personality that you kind of,

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01:45:53.890 --> 01:45:55.550
you know, kept in the background, right?

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01:45:56.369 --> 01:46:00.409
Absolutely. One of our core values is inclusiveness. And you

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see that in key club gatherings. There are students who

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01:46:03.210 --> 01:46:08.140
are athletes, brainiacs, like whatever your label is, they drop

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that at the door of key club and everybody's there

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to serve and learn valuable life skills.

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Well, Michelle Stude Campbell, thank you for coming on. Boy,

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you brought back some memories, taking me back down memory

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lane here. Where can our listeners go for more information?

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You can go to keyclub.org, again, keyclub.org, and we'll help

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you learn if you have a key club in your

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community and how to get plugged in. And of course,

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if you want to start a key club, I have

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