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The Bill Martinez Show 09 15 26
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Are you ready?

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Yeah.

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Okay, let's do it.

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Bill Martinez Live, a program about current events, our culture,

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our values, our politics, and our future.

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And now, Bill Martinez.

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Hey, good morning, America. Six minutes after the top of

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the hour. Glad you could join us. I'm Bill Martinez,

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and we've got the New York Times bestselling author Brent

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Hamachek join us. We're going to talk about his brand

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new book, The Intellect of Charlie Kirk. Brent, welcome back.

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Good to have you with us. It's been too long,

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my friend.

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It has been, it's been a couple of years and

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maybe I guess I have to write a book to

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get a chance to talk to you. So, but I

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think there'll be more of that coming as the good news.

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So that means we'll talk more.

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Well, of course, this book about Charlie Kirk, we're, you know,

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remembering one year ago and, you know, we're still grieving,

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many of us still grieving because of, you know, the

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generational loss. that we've experienced with Charlie Kirk no longer around,

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but yet his legacy continues.

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Well, it does. It'll continue on in large part because

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of the organization he built. In the postscript to the book,

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one of the things I share is my thought that

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everybody wants to, I shouldn't say everybody, but so many

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people want to focus on the nature and manner of

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Charlie's death. And we hear the term martyr being, you know,

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bandied about. And I certainly understand those things, but I,

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I do not think that Charlie's going to be remembered

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for how he died. I think he's going to be

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remembered constantly and ongoing for what he built while he lived. And,

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you know, that's the turning point USA organization. That's the legacy.

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It's not about trying to somehow or other make something

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of his death. His death was an insult to the

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human experience, the way it took place. But let's focus

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on the real legacy, which is an organization that's ongoing, thriving,

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and making an impact in young people's lives every day.

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And this organization was based on common sense, godly principles.

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I mean, here you served as, I guess, for for

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all intent and purposes, a bit of a ghostwriter for him.

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I mean, Charlie was more than a friend for you.

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I mean, he had to just be, I mean, both

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of you had to be so connected. You know, I

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want to say almost metaphysically because, because when you're writing

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for somebody and you, you get so close to them,

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you know, you're like that proverbial person that finishes the

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other person's sentences at times, probably. Well, yeah.

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And I sort of have a personal tendency to avoid

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the use of the term ghostwriter. And there's no offense

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taken of you using it or criticism given none of that.

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But look, we collaborated on creating content. And that collaboration

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was fun in a number of ways. First of all,

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for me, somebody going back literally to the summer before

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my senior year of high school, which as you can

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tell by looking at me, it was a long time ago.

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You and me both, Brent.

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Yeah.

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I had this dream of getting involved in what I

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call the world of ideas and trying to make some contribution.

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I thought I was going to go change the world

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and that didn't work out so well. I just had

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a successful business career and and didn't do anything in

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that world into which I wanted to step. And then

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I meet Charlie, the story of how we met the unlikely.

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I was going to ask you how you guys met. Yeah,

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go ahead.

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Yeah. It's in the book and it's most unlikely of stories.

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But in meeting him and in him spotting something in

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me that nobody else had ever spotted, that gave me

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a chance to step into the world of ideas. And

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what's interesting about us in terms of the content we

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created over the more than decade that we work together

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is that early days, you know, you mentioned, uh, I

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can't remember the term you used, but, uh, talked about

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turning point, uh, and I'm going to use my own term, uh,

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being involved in sort of these, these social issues.

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Okay.

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Uh, early days, uh, Charlie used to tell me, he

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told everybody turning point was never going to get involved

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in social issues, right? It was all about free markets

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and first principles. And, uh, So what happened over time, though,

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we certainly know, you know, the culture warrior tours and

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all those things that he did, the reshaping of the

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focus of Turning Point USA, all of that changed over time.

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And there's nothing about that that should be viewed critically

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by people. Some people might not like it. Some people

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might love it. But what he was responding to was

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what he perceived as a change in the nation's marketplace

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and and what he identified as a need to reach

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consumers with, or a need he had to address. And

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that need was some sort of clarity and understanding of social, moral,

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cultural values. So good for him on that. I think

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that he followed that notion of Andrew Breitbart that politics

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runs downstream from culture.

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And, uh, it's supposed to, it's supposed to anyway, right

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now it's reversed, but that's all, that's a whole nother discussion.

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That's why we've got politics so angry, uh, and malfunctioning is, uh,

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that it is out of order in my humble opinion.

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Well, it's, uh, certainly, certainly we, the level of civil

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discourse in the country is, uh, deteriorated greatly. And, uh,

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That's why my colleague and I, Felisa Blaszczak, started the

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Common Ground Campus program a few years ago, which I

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talked to you about on your show the last time

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I was here. You know, we're working on trying to

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get young people to come together and find their voice

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and express their voice in a creative and constructive manner.

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Our program, by the way, was encouraged by Charlie and

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approved by Turning Point USA as a program. But in

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any case... Look, Charlie evolved in his ideas. So did I,

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by the way. And we did not evolve in the

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same directions. And so I was asked yesterday by someone

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on a show that I did, you know, what do

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you miss the most? Which is an interesting question, right?

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I haven't really thought about that because you, of course,

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just miss everything on some level. But in terms of

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our interactions, what I miss the most were our disagreements.

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And our disagreements were plentiful. But I would never even

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use the word spirited to describe them. They were rational

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and thoughtful and calm. And there's a chapter in the

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book titled Agreeing to Disagree. And that is a collection

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of written work we produced together on topics where he

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and I did not agree on the content that was

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being produced. But make no mistake. everything in the book

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is Charlie's opinion, not mine. If you want to know

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what he thought at the date and time something was written,

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you can read it. That's what he thought. It is

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not necessarily what I thought. But those disagreements and our

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ability to have those conversations the way we did them

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and the way we were able to work together despite

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a disagreement, certainly something we're trying to embrace in the

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Common Ground campus program.

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You know, Brent, what I like about that idea, I mean,

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the Bible says is as iron sharpens iron. And, you know,

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these kind of relationships are unique where you can be

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respectfully associated with somebody where you can have these discussions.

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I mean, to me, one of the things that I

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appreciate about Charlie Kirk is walls had been built up

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and Charlie started knocking down walls to where we could

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have conversations on the other side of the walls, you know,

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and be able to have these important discussions. I mean,

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you know, when you think that here it is, you know,

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talking about getting back to first principles, this has been

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core of this show is I felt that we needed

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to go back to first principles. And when you go

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back to first principles, you see that our founding fathers

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embraced the First Amendment, you know, pretty passionately. And there

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was wisdom in the First Amendment. And whenever that's violated,

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we pay a big price. You know, we just recently

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went through COVID. And what happened? Walls got put up.

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We couldn't talk. We couldn't exchange ideas. And I believe

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more people than necessary died as a result of it.

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Oh, well, there's no question about that. As you might know,

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your audience might remember, I mean, I wrote Dr. Zelenko's

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book with him. That was a dear friend. And we

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told that story of his journey and the nation's journey

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through the China flu and Every time in my house

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where somebody mentions COVID, I'll say, wait, that's the same

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as the China flu, right? I get confused, simply refuse

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to use it as a term. But yeah, you know,

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in the First Amendment, all of those first 10 amendments

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have interesting history. I mean, I think some people might believe, oh, yeah,

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that's something the founding fathers, you know, they jumped right

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in and wanted to do that. They didn't. There was

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great debate over those. And they were only added at

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the suggestion of some. against the advice of others who

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thought they were unnecessary. But those who thought they were

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necessary made the argument that we haven't gone far enough

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just by setting up a constitution. We need to come

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right out and say explicitly what government can't do. And

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of course, nonetheless, we've been trying to find workarounds on

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those for over 200 years, and sadly, oftentimes successfully.

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with children in after-school say STEM is available, up from

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69% a decade ago. That's 6.4 million kids now getting

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STEM in after-school. Emma Binet, Overdeck Family Foundation.

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This study underscores the remarkable work out-of-school time programs do

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to help students discover the joy in learning while preparing

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The study finds rural and low-income students are less likely

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We're talking with Brent Hamachek, New York Times bestselling author,

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one of the most influential voices behind one of America's

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most consequential conservative leaders, Charlie Kirk. For more than a decade,

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from 2013, he and Charlie, before his assassination on September,

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September the 10th of 2025, Hamachek was Kirk's personal collaborator,

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helping shape the speeches, opinion columns, in arguments that define

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Turning Point USA movement. What an opportunity, I think, that,

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you know, Brent, I've often said that, you know, God

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will give us a canvas, so to speak. I use

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the metaphor in terms of expressing our talents and giftings.

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And for you to have this kind of canvas to

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work with, you know, associated with Charlie Kirk, like you said,

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not that you agreed all the time on everything, but

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to even be in that kind of relationship with someone

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that you could disagree with. And I got to imagine

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that as a result of that, both of you became

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more intelligent in the process.

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Oh, there's, there's no question about that. Certainly in my case,

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you know, there was a moment in time in early

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2019 where Charlie approached me and asked if I would

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work through studying political theory and political science with him.

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And again, you know, just about everything I ever did

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with Charlie, other than the few times I provided some

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business advice. And other than when early this decade, he

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asked me to be his weightlifting trainer. Other than those

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two things, I had no qualifications. Those two, I was okay.

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But when he asked me to do that, I said, sure.

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But understand that political theory for me when I was

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in college, a big area of study, beyond college, a

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big area of interest in ongoing, you know, sort of

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citizen study, but oh my goodness, did I have to

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freshen up. And, uh, you know, we would, we would

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sit down for over a year and a half. We

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sat down and had formal regular sessions, you know, starting with, uh,

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starting with the Greek masters and, uh, ending with, uh,

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the last topic we covered was the 20th century pragmatists.

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And we covered just about everything in between. And the

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discipline of having to prepare for those conversations, going back and,

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you know, rereading John Locke's Second Treatise. Did I know

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that we needed to study it? Yes. Could I remember it?

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No.

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Too many years ago. So I was I was only

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smart enough to put together a list of I can't

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remember if it was like 28 or 29 original things

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that we were going to study. So, and I did

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that from memory. So I get an A on that.

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Well, that's great. Good job for memory.

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But beyond that, it was a lot of work and

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made me all, I don't know if it made me

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smarter because I think my level of intelligence tabled off

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years ago, but it did make me more aware of

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things with what limited intelligence I have. That's for sure.

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Well, when you scheduled these meetings with Charlie, I mean, uh,

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did you, did you come in and say, okay, this is,

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these are the topics this we're going to talk about or, uh,

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how did that happen?

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Oh, we would, we knew what was coming up next

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and we would set a date and we would, uh,

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sit together either in person, uh, sometimes in a coffee shop,

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sometimes in my office and sometimes over a screen like

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you and I are doing right now. It all depended

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upon his schedule and geographic presence. But, uh, But we

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would come together with pages and pages of notes and

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walk through it. I've got the collection of our notes

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is actually with a friend of mine who's retired, who

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says he's making it his project to digitize them all.

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So good luck with my handwriting. But we'd sometimes have

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reading assignments in between. So when we worked through Machiavelli,

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it was a pre-reading assignment to read the prints. We

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read Locke's Second Treatise. We read excerpts from other writers,

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pieces from Plato's Republic, for example, and other things. And

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so there was that. One of the things I like

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the most is I'm a big Ayn Rand fan. And

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one of the things we did was Charlie wanted to

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read Atlas Shrugged. He had great fondness for objectivists and

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many of their ideas, but of course his Christian background.

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made much of that at odds with arguably the most

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famous atheist to the 20th century, and certainly one of

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the most vocal. And in any case, so we would read,

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he would read Atlas Shrugged, three major sections to the book,

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and when he would complete one section at a time,

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we'd go through those sections. So that was, for me,

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that was sort of a highlight of the process. I

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enjoyed that very much. And so, yeah, sharpen what little

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is left of my intellect to work with.

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Him for sure.

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Well, Brent, you know, the format of going to campuses

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and talking to these young people, I'm sure you had

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a lot of influence in that because of your past experience.

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So how did that come about?

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Sure.

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So early, early days, Charlie and I did a lot

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of work together on preparing for media hits. So again,

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I had no background. My background to any extent were

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two things. Number one, I'm a decent communicator. Number two,

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most of my career I spent working in and around

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the world of sales. So you come to understand some things.

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You understand how to assess needs, how to look for

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opportunities and so on. In the media side of that,

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what we were trying to do was look for what

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I termed, what he came to term green space. So

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if he was going to be on Fox News, for example,

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and sent along something from the producer about the topic,

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our goal was to talk ahead of time about how

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do you approach this topic and not sound like the

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last 10 guests who are just on talking about the

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same topic because everybody sounds the same. And so that

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green space approach started to work. You know, he'd do

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interviews and he'd get feedback. Wow, Charlie, you know, really,

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really like that. The host loved your segment, said you

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were saying things other people aren't saying. And so that

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was part of it. And that evolved into the notion

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of persuasive communication. And this relates directly to a sales background, right? So,

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you know, a good salesperson knows how to speak well,

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but a great salesperson knows how to ask questions and listen.

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And so what we spent time doing was really studying

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that Socratic method piece.

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Right.

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And it kind of interesting. I get a kick out

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of this and it comes up all the time. And

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you can ask somebody about, you know, they'll say, oh, yeah,

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I believe in the Socratic method. And you'll say, well,

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what is it? And they say, well, it's asking questions. Well,

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the truth is we have a name for that. It's

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called asking questions. It's not the Socratic method. There's no

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method to asking questions.

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But.

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What Charlie and I spent time working on in which

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he mastered beyond belief was the actual method that has

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some key elements to it. It starts, it's a very

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top-down approach. It is a big question down to specific

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question process. And most importantly, it is driven by the

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second question, which is asked after directly or clearly listening

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to the answer of the first question. questions need to

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be derivative upon response. And so that sort of process,

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that true Socratic method, uh, became ingrained in him. And again,

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like I said, he, he mastered it. You know, I,

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I can watch him do it and, you know, uh,

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just sort of chuckle to myself and say, wow, I

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couldn't do it that well, you know? Uh, so what

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student becoming master or something like that.

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Right.

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Well, we're talking with Brent Hamachek, his new book, The

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stories from a transformational American. You know, as you were saying,

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his ability to master the Socratic process, I mean, he

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really took it to a refined level.

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Oh, yeah, there's no question. I mean, there was a

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few years ago, I was at an event where Charlie

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who worked very closely with Charlie. And after his prepared remarks,

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00:28:05.000 --> 00:28:07.539
he took questions, of course, as he always did. And

472
00:28:07.559 --> 00:28:09.880
there was a gentleman that stood up first and he

473
00:28:09.900 --> 00:28:11.829
was quite animated and you could tell he was far

474
00:28:11.869 --> 00:28:14.690
more interested in being provocative than asking a question that

475
00:28:14.710 --> 00:28:17.769
got an answer. And I leaned over to the person

476
00:28:17.809 --> 00:28:19.849
sitting next to me and I said, watch what's going

477
00:28:19.890 --> 00:28:22.940
to happen. I said, in a few minutes, this person

478
00:28:23.160 --> 00:28:25.220
is either going to throw up their hands and go

479
00:28:25.259 --> 00:28:26.779
back to their seat, or they're going to walk out

480
00:28:26.799 --> 00:28:29.609
of the room and everybody is going to clap and

481
00:28:29.650 --> 00:28:32.769
Charlie will have not done anything other than ask him questions.

482
00:28:33.650 --> 00:28:37.990
And so sure enough, within five minutes, that person threw

483
00:28:38.049 --> 00:28:40.990
up their hands, walked out of the room, almost right

484
00:28:41.049 --> 00:28:42.910
in front of where we were sitting and the audience

485
00:28:42.990 --> 00:28:46.259
erupted in applause and Charlie hadn't done anything other than

486
00:28:46.670 --> 00:28:51.589
time and knots by asking him questions. And, uh, that

487
00:28:51.630 --> 00:28:54.970
wasn't difficult for me to predict because that was exactly

488
00:28:55.019 --> 00:28:57.490
the sort of thing that we had worked on. And

489
00:28:58.160 --> 00:29:00.900
so he mastered it. It was fun to watch him

490
00:29:00.960 --> 00:29:04.660
do it. He understood, by the way, one of the

491
00:29:04.680 --> 00:29:07.319
things I point out in the book, and so your

492
00:29:07.400 --> 00:29:10.240
audience knows, they might be interested in this, what we're

493
00:29:10.299 --> 00:29:15.660
talking about, this whole Socratic piece. Charlie ultimately asked me

494
00:29:15.700 --> 00:29:18.960
to teach it to Turning Point students, which I did

495
00:29:19.039 --> 00:29:23.960
on a couple of occasions. And that, uh, sort of, uh, seminar,

496
00:29:24.059 --> 00:29:27.690
if you will, curriculum is in the book, the whole

497
00:29:27.710 --> 00:29:30.829
thing's there. And so the, the term I use in

498
00:29:30.849 --> 00:29:32.369
the book is, you know, it's kind of like, so

499
00:29:32.410 --> 00:29:35.539
if you want to bend it like Charlie, uh, you know, here, read,

500
00:29:35.720 --> 00:29:40.859
read this. This is what, this is what we did together. And, uh, but, um,

501
00:29:41.160 --> 00:29:45.039
you know, to the point when he would walk into

502
00:29:45.079 --> 00:29:48.490
a crowd, like a protest crowd on the campus and

503
00:29:48.890 --> 00:29:53.130
he'd confront the leader, uh, asking them questions, you know,

504
00:29:53.170 --> 00:29:56.710
and then these viral videos that got created, you know, uh,

505
00:29:57.769 --> 00:30:01.109
People could say, well, that wasn't terribly effective because the

506
00:30:01.150 --> 00:30:05.710
person that he was asking the questions of, they weren't converted.

507
00:30:05.730 --> 00:30:10.359
They didn't come to see it his way. That wasn't

508
00:30:10.400 --> 00:30:13.039
his intention. One of the things, and it's in the

509
00:30:13.079 --> 00:30:15.500
material in the book, one of the things we talked

510
00:30:15.539 --> 00:30:21.319
about was know who your actual audience is. And when

511
00:30:21.359 --> 00:30:24.309
you're engaged, understand who it is you're trying to make

512
00:30:24.349 --> 00:30:27.819
an impact upon. So when Charlie did those things in

513
00:30:27.859 --> 00:30:31.859
a crowd that got filmed, he was not trying to

514
00:30:31.920 --> 00:30:35.039
reach the person he was talking to. He was trying

515
00:30:35.079 --> 00:30:37.890
to reach the people watching him talk to that person

516
00:30:38.390 --> 00:30:42.269
who would then be able to see that other person

517
00:30:42.930 --> 00:30:49.109
deconstruct themselves through a failed path of logic. And they

518
00:30:49.150 --> 00:30:51.930
would be able to look at that video and say, wow, man,

519
00:30:51.970 --> 00:30:55.200
look at the way he asked you those questions and man,

520
00:30:55.220 --> 00:30:57.619
she just fell apart. You know what? That didn't make

521
00:30:57.680 --> 00:31:02.509
any sense to me either. Right. So the audience is

522
00:31:02.569 --> 00:31:06.960
not always the audience that you're standing directly in front of.

523
00:31:07.269 --> 00:31:10.009
So he had great awareness that when, if it looked

524
00:31:10.029 --> 00:31:12.539
like he failed with someone, if you ever saw like

525
00:31:12.579 --> 00:31:16.779
that engagement I mentioned at the event I attended, he

526
00:31:16.819 --> 00:31:20.200
didn't fail in that engagement. Even though that person walked

527
00:31:20.240 --> 00:31:22.680
out of the room, what he was doing was not

528
00:31:22.740 --> 00:31:25.650
intended to convert them. He was doing it so that

529
00:31:25.730 --> 00:31:29.490
others might see and somehow come to think by that

530
00:31:29.589 --> 00:31:30.710
person's reaction.

531
00:31:31.230 --> 00:31:34.039
Wasn't it very similar? I mean, I thought and this

532
00:31:34.119 --> 00:31:37.579
is the thing that always has been a challenge for me, Brent,

533
00:31:38.140 --> 00:31:42.920
is that I didn't ever perceive Charlie as being mean spirited.

534
00:31:43.579 --> 00:31:46.740
It was it was a time of exposure. And that

535
00:31:46.819 --> 00:31:50.000
person that got exposed had an opportunity to say, OK,

536
00:31:50.400 --> 00:31:53.190
maybe I need to ponder this. Maybe I need to

537
00:31:53.269 --> 00:31:56.269
reevaluate my standing because the rest of the audience, like

538
00:31:56.289 --> 00:31:59.630
you said, who observed it said the same thing. And

539
00:31:59.690 --> 00:32:02.890
at times, I mean, this is not to elevate Charlie

540
00:32:02.930 --> 00:32:07.859
into some supernatural, you know, Jesus-like figure, but this is

541
00:32:07.920 --> 00:32:08.720
what Jesus did.

542
00:32:10.720 --> 00:32:11.500
Well, right.

543
00:32:11.599 --> 00:32:17.500
I mean, it's interesting for me that, you know, over time,

544
00:32:17.680 --> 00:32:23.380
over the years, I've had different folks ask me, for help,

545
00:32:23.420 --> 00:32:25.799
like let's say they're going to start on some kind

546
00:32:25.819 --> 00:32:28.640
of a book tour themselves, or all of a sudden

547
00:32:28.660 --> 00:32:31.960
they're going to be doing some public appearances, maybe on

548
00:32:31.980 --> 00:32:35.539
an issue. And they talk about the concern of being

549
00:32:35.920 --> 00:32:39.839
like drawn into something, some particular controversy that might be

550
00:32:39.880 --> 00:32:42.579
taking place. And I always say to them in a

551
00:32:42.640 --> 00:32:45.480
secular sense, I'll say, look, the very first rule to

552
00:32:45.539 --> 00:32:50.509
follow is that you need to embrace your inner Jesus. And,

553
00:32:50.750 --> 00:32:52.589
you know, when you're sitting in front of a host

554
00:32:52.609 --> 00:32:55.509
that may turn hostile, you need to have that attitude

555
00:32:55.549 --> 00:32:58.799
of your words, not mine. And you need to keep

556
00:32:58.839 --> 00:33:01.480
in mind that that idea of, you know, when the

557
00:33:01.799 --> 00:33:04.460
when the Pharisees were trying to trick him with questions,

558
00:33:04.480 --> 00:33:06.680
you know, what's the most important commandment and so on?

559
00:33:07.910 --> 00:33:12.210
He would not permit himself to be tricked. So he

560
00:33:12.509 --> 00:33:15.680
he had that awareness of. You know, and I think

561
00:33:15.759 --> 00:33:17.200
one of the things I used to say to Charlie,

562
00:33:17.240 --> 00:33:20.059
and I wrote this in Dissonantly Speaking, one of the chapters,

563
00:33:21.500 --> 00:33:24.400
you could argue that the two most impactful human beings

564
00:33:24.460 --> 00:33:27.240
in all of history, one on the secular side, one

565
00:33:27.259 --> 00:33:30.480
on the religious side, were Socrates and Jesus Christ because

566
00:33:30.500 --> 00:33:32.960
of what they said in motion. They had two things

567
00:33:33.019 --> 00:33:37.200
in common. First of all, they were both executed for

568
00:33:37.220 --> 00:33:40.200
their actions. That's not so good. But they also changed

569
00:33:40.220 --> 00:33:44.410
the world by asking questions. And and by sharing an

570
00:33:44.470 --> 00:33:49.250
appropriate story. And so Christ more so the stories and

571
00:33:49.789 --> 00:33:52.970
Socrates more so the questions, but they both use both

572
00:33:53.339 --> 00:33:56.559
as we understand, at least from Plato, right? So the

573
00:33:56.619 --> 00:34:02.619
point is that if you walk into that hostile crowd,

574
00:34:03.740 --> 00:34:06.829
if you step up on stage, or even if you're

575
00:34:06.880 --> 00:34:09.829
sitting in your dining room, you know, around a crowded

576
00:34:09.869 --> 00:34:12.369
dinner table at Thanksgiving with folks that seem to want

577
00:34:12.409 --> 00:34:16.420
to argue, If you can embrace, you know, whether you

578
00:34:16.460 --> 00:34:19.260
want to embrace your inner Jesus or your inner Socrates

579
00:34:19.340 --> 00:34:22.260
or mix them together, what you can do is find

580
00:34:22.300 --> 00:34:24.650
that you'll become a little bit like a delta force

581
00:34:24.789 --> 00:34:28.010
operator when the firing starts. Your pulse doesn't go up,

582
00:34:28.070 --> 00:34:32.210
it drops. And you'll get a scary sort of calm

583
00:34:32.269 --> 00:34:34.800
about you because this is exactly what you prepared for.

584
00:34:35.340 --> 00:34:37.579
And you're not going to be able to be trapped.

585
00:34:38.380 --> 00:34:42.139
So Charlie was extremely good at that. And you're right.

586
00:34:42.260 --> 00:34:44.380
He wasn't mean or hostile or nasty. He didn't need

587
00:34:44.400 --> 00:34:48.190
to be. When those engagements started, he was in his element.

588
00:34:48.389 --> 00:34:52.469
He trained for that. That was the bullets flying as

589
00:34:52.510 --> 00:34:55.829
a metaphor. And I know some people get angry that

590
00:34:55.869 --> 00:34:58.829
I use the term. You know, I'm not real good

591
00:34:58.869 --> 00:35:02.300
at censoring language or metaphors. Everybody knows what I mean.

592
00:35:03.050 --> 00:35:06.469
And in any case, he trained for that. And so

593
00:35:06.489 --> 00:35:10.170
when those things started, his pulse dropped. He was good.

594
00:35:12.030 --> 00:35:14.230
Well, in this book, as we wrap things up, we've

595
00:35:14.250 --> 00:35:17.190
got a couple of minutes left here, Brian. This is

596
00:35:17.250 --> 00:35:19.630
more than a biography, as you laid out. I mean,

597
00:35:20.190 --> 00:35:26.659
you are sharing some of these strategies and things that

598
00:35:26.760 --> 00:35:31.320
worked very effectively for Charlie. And again, my hope, I

599
00:35:31.739 --> 00:35:35.320
had a mentor when I was in LA Radio. He

600
00:35:35.340 --> 00:35:37.909
was just brilliant. And he would always tell us that,

601
00:35:38.289 --> 00:35:39.909
you know, when we were on the air, our job

602
00:35:39.969 --> 00:35:44.269
was to elicit a positive emotional response. And radio is

603
00:35:44.349 --> 00:35:47.949
so personal and so imaginative, it could give you that

604
00:35:48.030 --> 00:35:53.320
opportunity to do that very effectively. And again, for people

605
00:35:53.360 --> 00:35:56.960
who have ears to hear, I walked away from what

606
00:35:57.000 --> 00:36:00.079
Charlie had to say and having that, oh yeah, moment,

607
00:36:00.280 --> 00:36:04.719
that opportunity for a positive emotional response to be, a

608
00:36:04.800 --> 00:36:08.409
better person, a better version of myself as a result

609
00:36:08.449 --> 00:36:10.809
of the questions that were being asked. Is that fair?

610
00:36:11.789 --> 00:36:13.650
Well, it is fair. And let me just share briefly

611
00:36:13.710 --> 00:36:16.630
for your audience so they know what to expect. In

612
00:36:16.670 --> 00:36:19.530
the book, you know, at the time of Charlie's death,

613
00:36:19.849 --> 00:36:24.989
I had a collection sitting on my computer of 370,000

614
00:36:25.300 --> 00:36:29.519
words of opinion columns and radio show monologues that we

615
00:36:29.579 --> 00:36:32.739
created together. And so what I did is I curated

616
00:36:32.840 --> 00:36:37.050
from that collection And so it's organized sort of topically

617
00:36:37.110 --> 00:36:41.239
by chapter and then by date sequence. For example, there

618
00:36:41.320 --> 00:36:45.599
is a chapter dedicated to Charlie's writings over time about

619
00:36:45.699 --> 00:36:51.059
President Trump. There is a chapter dedicated to various columns

620
00:36:51.820 --> 00:36:56.449
during the pandemic. There's a chapter dedicated to columns about

621
00:36:57.210 --> 00:37:01.590
Turning Point USA. One, again, I mentioned earlier, where I

622
00:37:01.650 --> 00:37:04.940
say it's agreeing to disagree. And these are content we

623
00:37:05.010 --> 00:37:08.159
produced where we didn't agree on what was being produced.

624
00:37:08.670 --> 00:37:12.429
And then there's also a curation of out of 160

625
00:37:12.429 --> 00:37:16.829
pages of radio show monologues, different ones that I felt

626
00:37:16.949 --> 00:37:22.750
were sort of particularly representative of some of his more

627
00:37:23.309 --> 00:37:26.429
keen and pressing arguments. I mean, a radio show monologue,

628
00:37:26.469 --> 00:37:29.190
you know, is really an argument if you think about it.

629
00:37:30.219 --> 00:37:32.800
Charlie knew there were three legs to an argument. Everybody

630
00:37:32.840 --> 00:37:35.050
wants to talk about, oh, you've got to have your facts.

631
00:37:35.219 --> 00:37:37.989
That's great. Facts are only one leg, and the triangle

632
00:37:38.030 --> 00:37:42.050
is equilateral. It is facts, and it is sequence, and

633
00:37:42.070 --> 00:37:47.050
it is logic. And so these arguments that are radio

634
00:37:47.070 --> 00:37:53.820
show monologues demonstrate Charlie's ability to put together that equilateral triangle,

635
00:37:54.199 --> 00:37:56.880
at least I think so. And so that's what you

636
00:37:56.920 --> 00:38:01.599
can expect. real historical content produced from over a decade's

637
00:38:01.639 --> 00:38:04.639
worth of time. You can watch his thought process evolve.

638
00:38:05.519 --> 00:38:08.340
I share stories along the way. It's like Springsteen on Broadway.

639
00:38:08.380 --> 00:38:11.289
You know, he went up on, did a stage, you know,

640
00:38:11.329 --> 00:38:13.789
he talked about being a kid and Freehold, and then

641
00:38:13.809 --> 00:38:16.329
he played Growing Up. Then he talked about his mom

642
00:38:16.369 --> 00:38:20.010
and he played The Wish. It's like that, right? So

643
00:38:20.070 --> 00:38:22.110
stories and content mixed together.

644
00:38:22.860 --> 00:38:25.139
Well, Brent Hamachek, congratulations on the book.

645
00:38:25.179 --> 00:38:25.800
It's a blessing.

646
00:38:26.460 --> 00:38:28.699
I look forward to getting my own copy as well.

647
00:38:29.940 --> 00:38:33.840
It's The Intellect of Charlie Kirk, a collection of writings, ideas,

648
00:38:33.900 --> 00:38:37.809
and stories from a transformative American. Brent is a New

649
00:38:37.829 --> 00:38:40.469
York Times bestselling author and one of the most influential

650
00:38:40.510 --> 00:38:46.010
voices behind one of America's most consequential conservative leaders, Charlie Kirk. Brent,

651
00:38:46.030 --> 00:38:47.789
thank you for being with us. Take care. Be well,

652
00:38:47.829 --> 00:38:48.150
my friend.

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714
00:42:52.679 --> 00:42:54.690
Hey, we're back with you. I'm Bill Martinez. He's Adam

715
00:42:54.769 --> 00:42:55.690
Holtz from PluggedIn.com.

716
00:42:55.710 --> 00:42:55.769
Mr.

717
00:42:55.769 --> 00:42:56.570
Adam, how are we doing?

718
00:42:56.590 --> 00:42:56.730
Great.

719
00:42:56.750 --> 00:42:58.070
How are you doing?

720
00:42:58.489 --> 00:43:02.690
Hey, I'm doing terrific. The anniversary, 9-11, rather.

721
00:43:04.219 --> 00:43:08.940
Somber day, 25 years in the rear view mirror. And, uh, you,

722
00:43:09.159 --> 00:43:13.500
you wonder, are we better off or worse off? Well,

723
00:43:13.539 --> 00:43:15.989
I don't wonder 25 years ago. That's a big question, huh?

724
00:43:16.619 --> 00:43:18.590
I don't wonder that much. I feel like we're worse

725
00:43:18.739 --> 00:43:23.929
off and I think we're worse off because, um, never

726
00:43:24.010 --> 00:43:29.250
forget seems to be a forgotten slogan in many quarters. Um, and,

727
00:43:29.469 --> 00:43:33.880
and we've seen obviously just, uh, a sea change in

728
00:43:33.940 --> 00:43:38.639
worldview with regard to all kinds of things, you know,

729
00:43:38.719 --> 00:43:43.969
related to Islam, to immigration, to those sorts of things

730
00:43:44.010 --> 00:43:48.030
that I think certainly are influencing the conversation in a

731
00:43:48.070 --> 00:43:50.889
way that maybe they weren't 20, 25 years ago.

732
00:43:51.449 --> 00:43:53.239
Oh, without a doubt. I mean, it's one thing to

733
00:43:53.280 --> 00:43:56.360
say never forget, but it's another thing to say, what

734
00:43:56.400 --> 00:43:58.059
are we supposed to remember? Right.

735
00:43:58.559 --> 00:43:59.699
That's exactly right.

736
00:43:59.909 --> 00:44:01.530
You see, and I think we missed the whole point

737
00:44:01.570 --> 00:44:04.030
of 9-11, frankly, in my humble opinion. You and I

738
00:44:04.030 --> 00:44:07.670
have talked about this over the years because, you know,

739
00:44:08.030 --> 00:44:13.469
I believe, as some do, that that was Judgment Day.

740
00:44:14.150 --> 00:44:15.329
Yeah.

741
00:44:15.630 --> 00:44:17.920
And we, you know, I think people responded to it.

742
00:44:18.309 --> 00:44:20.730
A lot of people went to church. And for three weeks,

743
00:44:20.909 --> 00:44:24.210
you know, church was, you know, people were going, tell

744
00:44:24.250 --> 00:44:27.559
me what's going on. What happened here? And, you know,

745
00:44:27.599 --> 00:44:32.340
Jonathan Cahn wrote a great book, Harbinger, and really, I think,

746
00:44:32.420 --> 00:44:38.030
laid out the thesis of what was going on. And even,

747
00:44:38.250 --> 00:44:41.130
I mean, it was just unbelievable to think how these

748
00:44:41.190 --> 00:44:44.670
things all came together. 9-11, you know, even talking with

749
00:44:44.690 --> 00:44:48.929
Bill Federer here recently, 9-11 is a consistent date when

750
00:44:48.969 --> 00:44:52.440
it comes to Muslims and why they react on 9-11.

751
00:44:52.900 --> 00:44:55.099
It's because time and again in the past, you know,

752
00:44:55.739 --> 00:45:01.340
centuries ago, they got their head handed to them on 9-11. Yeah.

753
00:45:02.409 --> 00:45:04.489
And so they needed to find a way to redeem

754
00:45:04.530 --> 00:45:07.429
that day. And so here it is. They go after

755
00:45:07.849 --> 00:45:12.929
the world's superpower and bring us down. And here, you know,

756
00:45:12.949 --> 00:45:17.170
people of faith responded in the same defiant way, Adam,

757
00:45:17.590 --> 00:45:21.179
that the Jews did back when you read Isaiah 9

758
00:45:21.179 --> 00:45:21.969
and Isaiah 10.

759
00:45:21.960 --> 00:45:22.340
Yeah.

760
00:45:23.300 --> 00:45:24.219
Very defiantly.

761
00:45:25.239 --> 00:45:28.360
That's exactly right. And I think, you know, obviously I

762
00:45:28.940 --> 00:45:33.449
make this disclaimer fairly frequently. I'm not a political commentator.

763
00:45:33.469 --> 00:45:37.269
I'm a movie guy. And I think just to segue

764
00:45:37.309 --> 00:45:40.329
toward that, you know, there are some movies that I

765
00:45:40.369 --> 00:45:43.389
think remind us of the reality. Top of that list

766
00:45:43.489 --> 00:45:47.769
is United 93, which came out in 2006. I think

767
00:45:47.869 --> 00:45:52.780
Zero Dark Thirty is worth revisiting. And I think World

768
00:45:52.820 --> 00:45:55.860
Trade Center, I thought, was a remarkable movie. And there

769
00:45:56.139 --> 00:46:00.739
are others, but I think there are opportunities for us

770
00:46:01.659 --> 00:46:06.239
to remember. And there was a lot of criticism, especially

771
00:46:06.280 --> 00:46:08.550
of World Trade Center and United 93, that it was

772
00:46:08.590 --> 00:46:13.389
too soon. It felt like we had barely gotten the

773
00:46:13.469 --> 00:46:16.630
smoldering smoke out of the World Trade Center rubble and

774
00:46:16.670 --> 00:46:20.050
we were making a movie about it. But in retrospect,

775
00:46:20.309 --> 00:46:23.909
I almost feel like the opposite is true. Like it's almost,

776
00:46:26.429 --> 00:46:31.530
we need to remember, right? And we have forgotten. And

777
00:46:31.570 --> 00:46:33.860
I think, you know, all three of my kids were

778
00:46:33.900 --> 00:46:37.460
born since 9-11. And so for them, it's kind of

779
00:46:37.480 --> 00:46:40.400
like Pearl Harbor. You know, the difference between a World

780
00:46:40.440 --> 00:46:43.840
War II veteran who woke up to that news on

781
00:46:43.880 --> 00:46:48.380
December 7th and those of us who only have seen

782
00:46:48.400 --> 00:46:52.070
newsreel footage of it, it's different for us. And so

783
00:46:52.110 --> 00:46:55.230
it's important for us, I think, to be the living

784
00:46:55.869 --> 00:47:00.690
bearers of that legacy and of remembering the importance. And

785
00:47:00.710 --> 00:47:03.889
I think that that remembrance goes hand in hand with

786
00:47:04.710 --> 00:47:09.510
remembering and reminding ourselves of the good things that America

787
00:47:09.699 --> 00:47:15.590
is about, right? And how, at its best, America... it

788
00:47:15.670 --> 00:47:17.989
stands against all of this sorts of stuff.

789
00:47:19.949 --> 00:47:23.369
But also that God is the same yesterday, today, forever.

790
00:47:23.750 --> 00:47:24.550
Yes, exactly.

791
00:47:24.809 --> 00:47:27.690
And he says, look, you know, you have a choice.

792
00:47:27.849 --> 00:47:30.210
You can be blessed, live under the blessing or live

793
00:47:30.250 --> 00:47:34.449
under the curse. And, you know, and again, going back

794
00:47:34.679 --> 00:47:38.079
and looking at the pattern, which I thought was so

795
00:47:38.159 --> 00:47:41.320
uncanny that Jonathan Cahn brought out so clearly in his book, Harbinger.

796
00:47:42.360 --> 00:47:45.869
He just went step by step And the pattern that

797
00:47:45.949 --> 00:47:49.150
was laid out back then, thousands of years ago, in

798
00:47:49.789 --> 00:47:57.969
Isaiah 9-10, we are replicating in 2001, almost word for word, Adam.

799
00:47:58.449 --> 00:48:03.219
And I mean, politicians were echoing, you know, the words

800
00:48:03.320 --> 00:48:06.940
of God, the words in the Bible. And I think

801
00:48:06.980 --> 00:48:09.659
they just did it because a speechwriter told them or

802
00:48:10.059 --> 00:48:14.179
somebody else or maybe... maybe God in his own way,

803
00:48:14.239 --> 00:48:18.380
the Holy Spirit said, no, we're going to put the

804
00:48:18.420 --> 00:48:20.519
words of God in your mouth and you're going to

805
00:48:20.559 --> 00:48:23.260
put them out. And so for those that have spiritual

806
00:48:23.400 --> 00:48:26.980
ears to hear, they're going to, like when Jesus was

807
00:48:27.039 --> 00:48:31.400
here and he spoke in parables, those that understood spiritually

808
00:48:31.480 --> 00:48:33.320
understood what Jesus was communicating.

809
00:48:33.860 --> 00:48:38.099
Well, that's exactly right. And Jesus and elsewhere in scripture

810
00:48:38.179 --> 00:48:40.880
talks a great deal about hardness of heart. And I

811
00:48:40.980 --> 00:48:45.610
think left to our own devices as sinful humans, we

812
00:48:45.679 --> 00:48:51.730
drift from God. In Ephesians 5, 15 through 17, the

813
00:48:51.769 --> 00:48:54.369
Apostle Paul says, be very careful then how you live,

814
00:48:54.650 --> 00:48:58.469
not as unwise, but as wise, making the most of

815
00:48:58.670 --> 00:49:03.510
every opportunity because the days are evil. And the evilness

816
00:49:03.570 --> 00:49:07.190
of the days is the world's trajectory on its own

817
00:49:07.309 --> 00:49:10.329
bends away from the things of God. And so it's

818
00:49:10.489 --> 00:49:14.619
up to us To be intentional. And obviously it's up

819
00:49:14.840 --> 00:49:17.670
to God's faithfulness too. I don't want to come across as,

820
00:49:17.789 --> 00:49:20.510
you know, I have something sort of works theology here, but,

821
00:49:21.010 --> 00:49:25.300
but our responsibility is to remember. Uh, and obviously, you know,

822
00:49:25.360 --> 00:49:28.719
we talk about remembering nine 11, but scripture is full

823
00:49:28.980 --> 00:49:32.599
of admonitions to remember because over and over again, we

824
00:49:32.659 --> 00:49:36.099
see God's people forget and become hardened of heart. And

825
00:49:36.179 --> 00:49:40.860
these sorts of things are, um, They're watershed moments where

826
00:49:40.900 --> 00:49:44.820
we have an opportunity to take stock, right? And I

827
00:49:44.900 --> 00:49:46.900
think that we would do well to take stock again

828
00:49:46.980 --> 00:49:47.519
as a nation.

829
00:49:48.019 --> 00:49:50.400
Yeah, take stock and correct course. Exactly.

830
00:49:50.440 --> 00:49:51.260
Course correct.

831
00:49:51.579 --> 00:49:52.079
Exactly.

832
00:49:52.239 --> 00:49:55.889
And as you say, I believe people who count these

833
00:49:55.929 --> 00:49:59.889
things say that there's some form of a remembrance or

834
00:49:59.929 --> 00:50:03.050
don't forget. 365 times.

835
00:50:03.110 --> 00:50:03.449
Right.

836
00:50:03.690 --> 00:50:05.670
Well, that's weird. That's the same number of days as

837
00:50:05.730 --> 00:50:06.130
a year.

838
00:50:06.150 --> 00:50:06.989
You think, huh?

839
00:50:07.349 --> 00:50:09.989
We need that message every day. It's the same with

840
00:50:10.030 --> 00:50:11.650
do not be afraid too, right?

841
00:50:12.010 --> 00:50:12.329
Exactly.

842
00:50:13.070 --> 00:50:16.760
These are not accidents. We can live in fear. And

843
00:50:16.800 --> 00:50:21.239
I think that as somebody who has wrestled with anxiety,

844
00:50:21.260 --> 00:50:25.920
the fruit of anxiety is our hearts get smaller and

845
00:50:25.960 --> 00:50:27.320
we close in on ourselves.

846
00:50:27.519 --> 00:50:27.699
Exactly.

847
00:50:27.739 --> 00:50:31.920
And when we practice... Lifting our gaze to the hills

848
00:50:32.019 --> 00:50:33.500
from where our help comes from.

849
00:50:33.519 --> 00:50:35.940
Right. Psalm 121, my favorite.

850
00:50:36.480 --> 00:50:42.139
When I remember, when I am intentionally focused on gratitude,

851
00:50:43.139 --> 00:50:46.309
I don't have that grip of fear on me. It

852
00:50:46.329 --> 00:50:48.530
doesn't mean there aren't serious things happening, but I think

853
00:50:48.590 --> 00:50:53.090
it frees us to be agents of redemption whom God

854
00:50:53.130 --> 00:50:54.789
can use out there in the crazy world.

855
00:50:55.130 --> 00:50:57.409
You see, you just said something that I, boy, I'll

856
00:50:57.429 --> 00:51:00.769
tell you, I gravitate. constantly, you talk about course correcting.

857
00:51:01.409 --> 00:51:06.489
I constantly, at least consciously try to do this course

858
00:51:06.550 --> 00:51:08.369
correct to freedom. Yes.

859
00:51:08.929 --> 00:51:09.090
Right.

860
00:51:09.349 --> 00:51:11.829
Because I believe that's God's highest calling. It's why he

861
00:51:11.849 --> 00:51:12.409
sent his son.

862
00:51:13.110 --> 00:51:13.329
Right.

863
00:51:13.869 --> 00:51:14.829
For us to be free.

864
00:51:15.219 --> 00:51:15.510
Yeah.

865
00:51:15.590 --> 00:51:17.489
And I think, you know, I think I may have

866
00:51:17.579 --> 00:51:19.920
shared this with you. When I was an adjunct professor

867
00:51:19.960 --> 00:51:22.260
in Southern California, I was teaching these kids and I

868
00:51:22.300 --> 00:51:24.880
was sharing with them something that I'd shared with many

869
00:51:24.980 --> 00:51:27.820
sales teams and other people that were, when I'd given

870
00:51:27.900 --> 00:51:32.320
speeches on And talked about, you know, in terms of,

871
00:51:32.679 --> 00:51:34.769
you know, the labor and the fruit of our labor.

872
00:51:34.829 --> 00:51:36.969
And here we are just not that far away from

873
00:51:37.010 --> 00:51:40.389
Labor Day and that it is God. But that, you know,

874
00:51:40.590 --> 00:51:43.070
if you're going to, you know, be working, you should

875
00:51:43.110 --> 00:51:45.880
enjoy what you do. I mean, considering that's eight, 10

876
00:51:45.880 --> 00:51:48.559
hours a day. The second thing I said that there

877
00:51:48.599 --> 00:51:51.860
should be some level of competence. You know, so that

878
00:51:51.900 --> 00:51:53.860
if you're a brain surgeon, you're killing nine out of

879
00:51:53.860 --> 00:51:55.619
10 people, probably not your gig. Right.

880
00:51:55.719 --> 00:51:56.980
Maybe you'll be a mechanic.

881
00:51:57.260 --> 00:51:59.179
Something else, you know, but yeah, this is not good

882
00:51:59.199 --> 00:52:01.489
for you. The third thing I said is the giftings

883
00:52:01.550 --> 00:52:03.929
and talents that God's blessed you with have to be

884
00:52:04.070 --> 00:52:08.170
exercised and grown. What I found was people were easily

885
00:52:08.250 --> 00:52:10.820
frustrated when they were a round peg in a square hole.

886
00:52:11.460 --> 00:52:15.119
You know what I'm saying? That's right. And all this

887
00:52:15.199 --> 00:52:18.800
led to a U.S. labor study that said that approximately

888
00:52:18.900 --> 00:52:23.739
only 10% of the US labor force was fulfilled. And

889
00:52:23.820 --> 00:52:26.199
so I would go and do this training. And I mean,

890
00:52:26.239 --> 00:52:28.420
I did this for years and say, okay, look at

891
00:52:28.480 --> 00:52:30.820
the highest calling you could have is to be fulfilled,

892
00:52:30.960 --> 00:52:34.010
because that's 10% of the US labor force. So go

893
00:52:34.139 --> 00:52:39.010
and be fulfilled. Well, I'm doing this final class of

894
00:52:39.030 --> 00:52:41.949
the semester for these kids. And I get to this

895
00:52:42.030 --> 00:52:45.699
point where I'm at the denouement. Here we are. They're

896
00:52:45.719 --> 00:52:47.980
winding up the pitch. It's about pitch. It's going to

897
00:52:48.000 --> 00:52:52.420
be fulfillment, right? And the Holy Spirit stops me and goes, eh, wrong.

898
00:52:53.219 --> 00:52:56.260
And I'm going, what? And so I had to tell

899
00:52:56.280 --> 00:52:58.400
these kids, I go, hey, look, I just got a

900
00:52:58.440 --> 00:53:01.519
fresh download. I'm telling you, this is not me. I

901
00:53:01.539 --> 00:53:03.400
just got a fresh, I mean, you know how God

902
00:53:03.460 --> 00:53:06.530
drops something into you? And that's what he did. He just,

903
00:53:06.820 --> 00:53:09.630
God dropped this into me. Holy Spirit says, no, it's

904
00:53:09.690 --> 00:53:10.349
not fulfillment.

905
00:53:10.409 --> 00:53:10.989
It's freedom.

906
00:53:12.320 --> 00:53:13.739
And you should have seen it. When I told the

907
00:53:13.760 --> 00:53:16.440
kids that, you should have seen their response, Adam. I mean,

908
00:53:16.480 --> 00:53:19.090
it was like the light bulbs went on. It was

909
00:53:19.300 --> 00:53:21.630
throughout the whole room. And I said, oh my God,

910
00:53:21.670 --> 00:53:22.329
thank you, Lord.

911
00:53:23.050 --> 00:53:23.269
Right.

912
00:53:23.889 --> 00:53:24.170
Yeah.

913
00:53:24.190 --> 00:53:30.710
And with that freedom is the opportunity to point people

914
00:53:31.030 --> 00:53:34.570
toward the only one who makes us free, right? That

915
00:53:34.610 --> 00:53:39.719
our freedom is not something... Well, there are actually layers

916
00:53:39.760 --> 00:53:41.340
to this. I was going to say something that now

917
00:53:41.380 --> 00:53:44.280
that I think about it, maybe not true, but there's

918
00:53:44.320 --> 00:53:49.199
political freedom. But when we talk about spiritual freedom, Jesus

919
00:53:49.239 --> 00:53:52.409
set us free. And I think that is the foundation

920
00:53:53.170 --> 00:53:57.010
for all of our other discussions about freedom and culture.

921
00:53:57.050 --> 00:54:03.289
Because ironically, we have a mainstream and secular culture that

922
00:54:03.349 --> 00:54:06.590
thinks the definition of freedom is I can do whatever

923
00:54:06.690 --> 00:54:09.170
I want and there are no consequences and that my

924
00:54:09.309 --> 00:54:14.619
feelings are what dictate what matters most. Those of us

925
00:54:15.000 --> 00:54:17.920
who have lived in that worldview long enough to wake

926
00:54:18.000 --> 00:54:22.880
up one morning and say, I don't think this is working, right?

927
00:54:23.800 --> 00:54:26.420
And some of us, you know, you and I have

928
00:54:26.440 --> 00:54:29.280
talked over the years, Bill, we're kind of knuckleheads, right?

929
00:54:29.300 --> 00:54:32.159
We can bang our heads against the wall. But I

930
00:54:32.219 --> 00:54:35.469
had a moment in college, I'm like, this is not,

931
00:54:35.969 --> 00:54:40.320
this is not working. And I think true freedom comes

932
00:54:40.380 --> 00:54:44.000
when we submit our hearts and our will to, to

933
00:54:44.019 --> 00:54:46.099
the one who calls us and the one who frees

934
00:54:46.179 --> 00:54:48.300
us and the one who redeems us. And that's where

935
00:54:48.340 --> 00:54:49.860
that freedom really lies, Bill.

936
00:54:50.559 --> 00:54:53.139
And when we realize the best version of ourselves.

937
00:54:53.460 --> 00:54:55.519
Well, yeah. And that is the best version of ourselves

938
00:54:55.559 --> 00:54:58.929
because we're not, we're not driven by selfishness. We're not

939
00:54:58.989 --> 00:55:02.809
driven by compulsion. We're not driven by addiction or, We're

940
00:55:02.849 --> 00:55:06.679
not driven by the lie of the world. The next

941
00:55:06.739 --> 00:55:09.300
little flickering thing we see on our phones is going

942
00:55:09.320 --> 00:55:11.619
to make us happy. And I'm guilty of that, right?

943
00:55:11.920 --> 00:55:14.519
It's an ongoing spiritual battle, right?

944
00:55:14.980 --> 00:55:18.860
Exactly. Welcome to humanity. And we're going to let you

945
00:55:18.920 --> 00:55:21.000
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with us.

980
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Thanks, Bill. Love being here.

981
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Hey, lots to catch up on. Well, first of all,

982
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let's talk about these flock cameras and, you know, the

983
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craziness that that's bringing as if we don't have enough

984
00:57:29.570 --> 00:57:30.690
to deal with already, right?

985
00:57:31.869 --> 00:57:35.909
Yeah, you know, flock cameras, 117,000 already installed across the

986
00:57:35.929 --> 00:57:39.289
United States with another 150,000 expected over the next two years.

987
00:57:40.010 --> 00:57:43.050
When you start to look at about 300,000, and that's

988
00:57:43.090 --> 00:57:44.860
a pretty good number, but when you start to get

989
00:57:44.889 --> 00:57:50.630
to 350,000, 400,000... You're pretty much surveilling about 80% of

990
00:57:50.670 --> 00:57:53.329
the people in about 600 of the largest cities in America.

991
00:57:54.949 --> 00:57:57.050
I mean, think about that. I mean, you know, when

992
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you and I were growing up, not a big worry,

993
00:57:59.429 --> 00:58:01.789
but we saw the creep. It's a slow creep. But

994
00:58:01.829 --> 00:58:03.909
now it's like, it's almost like on the other side

995
00:58:03.929 --> 00:58:06.010
of the mountain, you know, gaining momentum, right?

996
00:58:06.940 --> 00:58:07.199
Yeah.

997
00:58:07.260 --> 00:58:11.539
And remember, Flock Camera is owned by Palantir. Palantir holds

998
00:58:11.679 --> 00:58:15.679
more information and data than any other single company from

999
00:58:15.699 --> 00:58:16.699
the intelligence communities.

1000
00:58:18.699 --> 00:58:23.179
So what brought this to bear is that we found

1001
00:58:23.280 --> 00:58:30.679
out that law enforcement was using this for personal purposes, right?

1002
00:58:31.050 --> 00:58:34.889
And so then all of a sudden it was like, oh,

1003
00:58:34.989 --> 00:58:38.210
the shroud is pulled back and we're seeing what's behind

1004
00:58:38.250 --> 00:58:40.510
the veil. And this is pretty crazy.

1005
00:58:42.000 --> 00:58:44.260
Yeah, so what you have is law enforcement has to

1006
00:58:44.300 --> 00:58:47.219
have a specific login and password to be able to

1007
00:58:48.039 --> 00:58:51.639
utilize the systems for identifying anybody that might have gone,

1008
00:58:52.139 --> 00:58:56.590
mostly traffic violations, red light, running, speeding. But now they're

1009
00:58:56.659 --> 00:58:59.750
using it for a host of things, including some law

1010
00:58:59.750 --> 00:59:02.900
enforcement are using it to track their wives or husbands

1011
00:59:02.900 --> 00:59:06.449
or girlfriends or boyfriends or nieces, nephews, or somebody they

1012
00:59:06.449 --> 00:59:10.980
just met. And they're doing it in an extremely nefarious way.

1013
00:59:11.380 --> 00:59:13.320
And what's interesting about it is how many of the

1014
00:59:13.360 --> 00:59:17.019
law enforcement officers have been charged with felonies for doing this.

1015
00:59:17.280 --> 00:59:19.980
And in fact, it's gotten so bad that some cities

1016
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now are talking about banning the cameras altogether.

1017
00:59:23.030 --> 00:59:24.389
Well, yeah. I mean, is it too late to put

1018
00:59:24.429 --> 00:59:25.670
the genie back in the bottle here?

1019
00:59:26.349 --> 00:59:28.150
Oh, it's way too late. Now, this is all tied

1020
00:59:28.210 --> 00:59:29.769
into when you go to the airports, you have your

1021
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digital ID, your biometrics. They actually can see through the

1022
00:59:33.369 --> 00:59:37.159
front windshield so they can match your biometrics face recognition

1023
00:59:37.590 --> 00:59:40.119
with your license plate to confirm it was you who

1024
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was driving. And so if they ever want to use

1025
00:59:43.119 --> 00:59:47.280
it against you for transportation, no problem. Also, it's all

1026
00:59:47.320 --> 00:59:49.800
going digital for your wallet here in the next 18 months.

1027
00:59:49.820 --> 00:59:52.179
We're not going to have much use for cash anymore.

1028
00:59:53.400 --> 00:59:55.840
So, uh, this sounds a little bit like what they've

1029
00:59:55.860 --> 01:00:00.519
been doing in Israel in terms of some, you know, uh, concentric, uh,

1030
01:00:00.679 --> 01:00:05.320
lines of defense that they're doing some preemptive surveilling so

1031
01:00:05.400 --> 01:00:08.739
that even before you get through the, you know, uh,

1032
01:00:08.780 --> 01:00:11.929
through customs or even your first contact with any kind

1033
01:00:11.969 --> 01:00:15.489
of airport personnel, they've got you pretty well profiled to

1034
01:00:15.530 --> 01:00:18.070
make sure that, uh, you're not, you're not a threat.

1035
01:00:18.849 --> 01:00:21.860
Yeah, pretty much. Uh, The biggest thing is, is that

1036
01:00:21.940 --> 01:00:27.000
what determines a threat? Is it political? Is it physical?

1037
01:00:27.880 --> 01:00:31.460
Is it retribution? Is it going to be things where

1038
01:00:31.480 --> 01:00:34.769
bad actors are in control of all the surveillance? And

1039
01:00:34.869 --> 01:00:37.389
once you have the three elements tied together in the

1040
01:00:37.449 --> 01:00:40.630
next two years, that's your transportation, your money, and your healthcare,

1041
01:00:41.150 --> 01:00:43.889
it'll all be at the centralized systems that the government

1042
01:00:43.929 --> 01:00:46.619
now has built and Palantir and Flock will be the

1043
01:00:46.760 --> 01:00:51.070
ones that correlate the information. follow you. And if they want,

1044
01:00:51.090 --> 01:00:53.090
they'll turn your money off, your health care off.

1045
01:00:53.110 --> 01:00:54.429
I was going to say, I mean, this is like

1046
01:00:54.469 --> 01:00:57.670
Canada all over again with the trucking, with the trucking

1047
01:00:57.730 --> 01:00:59.329
incident they had a couple of years back, right?

1048
01:00:59.750 --> 01:01:01.949
Yeah, it's 10 times worse, 10 times worse. Because what

1049
01:01:01.989 --> 01:01:04.650
happens is Canada didn't have the cameras. They had the

1050
01:01:04.690 --> 01:01:08.409
ability to turn your money off from deprogramming it. And

1051
01:01:08.429 --> 01:01:12.179
what's interesting about how it's facts tracking here, just think

1052
01:01:12.199 --> 01:01:15.300
what happened to Europe six months ago. The central bank

1053
01:01:15.320 --> 01:01:20.090
digital currency, the CBDC with with more flock cameras, with Palantir,

1054
01:01:20.369 --> 01:01:24.369
with the understanding that e-euro will replace cash within the

1055
01:01:24.429 --> 01:01:27.090
next 24 months. So they're pretty much going to go

1056
01:01:27.090 --> 01:01:28.949
1984 if you've ever read the book.

1057
01:01:29.409 --> 01:01:32.530
Right, exactly. Yeah, who hasn't? In fact, there's a resurgence

1058
01:01:32.699 --> 01:01:37.860
of book reading on 1984 because we're living it out.

1059
01:01:38.019 --> 01:01:40.139
I mean, I remember when I first read that book,

1060
01:01:40.480 --> 01:01:42.500
it was like, okay, well, this is interesting. I mean,

1061
01:01:42.519 --> 01:01:46.750
you could see some of the early evidence is of

1062
01:01:46.789 --> 01:01:49.550
where the trajectory was taking us. But little did we

1063
01:01:49.610 --> 01:01:52.449
know in such a short period of time, especially after 9-11, right?

1064
01:01:53.070 --> 01:01:56.349
Yeah, for sure. After 9-11, no question. The Patriot Act

1065
01:01:56.550 --> 01:02:00.710
ushered in the entire way the book was written. When

1066
01:02:00.730 --> 01:02:03.300
you look at the book and the way it was

1067
01:02:03.340 --> 01:02:06.800
formulated in the 50s, kind of at this futuristic understanding

1068
01:02:06.860 --> 01:02:09.179
of where we're going to have one world government, one

1069
01:02:09.219 --> 01:02:12.559
great reset that kind of changes the whole entire world's

1070
01:02:12.599 --> 01:02:17.150
landscape and centralizes power. Well, when you centralize power, what

1071
01:02:17.170 --> 01:02:20.010
that means is you're controlling the masses with just a

1072
01:02:20.070 --> 01:02:23.309
handful of class type people. And those people now have

1073
01:02:23.369 --> 01:02:26.070
got themselves at a point where they can now just

1074
01:02:26.090 --> 01:02:28.030
flip a couple of switches. We do a few more

1075
01:02:28.070 --> 01:02:31.909
pieces of legislation. We remove the balance of cash from society.

1076
01:02:32.449 --> 01:02:32.889
It's over.

1077
01:02:33.070 --> 01:02:34.820
And at that point, people are going to start wondering

1078
01:02:34.840 --> 01:02:37.880
what just happened when their wealth is confiscated. Look, you

1079
01:02:37.900 --> 01:02:40.059
don't understand what happened this week in the European Union.

1080
01:02:40.159 --> 01:02:44.260
They just passed the first phase of to take all

1081
01:02:44.320 --> 01:02:48.800
the savings of corporations and individuals next year and let

1082
01:02:48.840 --> 01:02:53.269
the European Union better use your $ 10 trillion in savings,

1083
01:02:53.369 --> 01:02:55.510
look it up, and then they're going to invest it

1084
01:02:55.550 --> 01:02:58.150
how they feel necessary or what they feel is the

1085
01:02:58.190 --> 01:03:00.489
best use of the money. And they'll send you an IOU,

1086
01:03:00.530 --> 01:03:02.050
they said. Now, that sounds pretty good.

1087
01:03:02.719 --> 01:03:04.719
They'll send you an IOU, kind of like our government

1088
01:03:04.739 --> 01:03:06.860
sends us an IOU for Social Security, right?

1089
01:03:07.340 --> 01:03:07.619
Yeah.

1090
01:03:08.059 --> 01:03:08.260
Yeah.

1091
01:03:08.300 --> 01:03:09.619
I did a, I did a report a couple of

1092
01:03:09.639 --> 01:03:12.739
years ago. You have to live to 156 years old

1093
01:03:13.199 --> 01:03:15.070
in order to be able to get the value of

1094
01:03:15.150 --> 01:03:18.110
the money you put in it at just a 5% return.

1095
01:03:18.150 --> 01:03:20.150
So God bless if we can, if we can live

1096
01:03:20.170 --> 01:03:23.210
to 156, we'll be, we'll break even on social security payments.

1097
01:03:23.659 --> 01:03:26.800
Well, God bless if we could move everybody into Trump accounts,

1098
01:03:27.360 --> 01:03:30.119
you know, forget about social security. It's already bankrupt. I mean, they're,

1099
01:03:30.179 --> 01:03:33.280
they're not, they have no, they have no shame. in

1100
01:03:33.510 --> 01:03:37.039
paying up those IOU chits. And they have the audacity

1101
01:03:37.079 --> 01:03:39.079
to tell us that it's going bankrupt and it'll be gone.

1102
01:03:39.099 --> 01:03:41.059
You know, we'll be lucky to have it five years

1103
01:03:41.079 --> 01:03:43.920
from now. So, all right, let's quit fooling ourselves. Let's

1104
01:03:44.000 --> 01:03:46.679
empower the people, give them the power to go ahead

1105
01:03:46.739 --> 01:03:50.349
and open up their own individual brokerage accounts and actually

1106
01:03:50.409 --> 01:03:53.469
have a retirement account that grows and works in their

1107
01:03:53.489 --> 01:03:56.590
best interest as opposed to this boondoggle. I mean, what

1108
01:03:56.630 --> 01:03:59.789
a ruse, social security, the way it was perpetrated upon

1109
01:03:59.809 --> 01:04:02.389
the people to even give them any kind of false hope, Christian.

1110
01:04:03.090 --> 01:04:05.469
False hope. So when Roosevelt came up with this idea,

1111
01:04:06.449 --> 01:04:10.800
it wasn't a safety net that he knew in the

1112
01:04:10.840 --> 01:04:13.260
same way that we now know it. He knew then

1113
01:04:13.739 --> 01:04:17.880
that eventually that would have to be a government run system.

1114
01:04:17.980 --> 01:04:21.159
And he was hoping for socialist and that's why it's

1115
01:04:21.360 --> 01:04:25.719
social security. It's a socialist program. But he in his mind,

1116
01:04:25.760 --> 01:04:27.760
he thought he could just take it very much like

1117
01:04:27.800 --> 01:04:30.730
what Obama did with the Affordable Care Act. And that

1118
01:04:30.829 --> 01:04:36.489
is create this absolutely bureaucratic nightmare with red tape, making

1119
01:04:36.530 --> 01:04:41.730
it so convoluted to maintain private insurance with healthcare that

1120
01:04:41.809 --> 01:04:44.039
it would collapse. And that's what Roosevelt wanted was the

1121
01:04:44.099 --> 01:04:48.400
economy to collapse and then go to a socialist communist society.

1122
01:04:48.840 --> 01:04:50.940
And then Obama tried to do it with healthcare. And

1123
01:04:51.059 --> 01:04:53.860
eventually we'll get to a socialized medicine. And then of

1124
01:04:53.900 --> 01:04:55.949
course you'll have coverage will be for everybody, but you'll

1125
01:04:55.969 --> 01:05:00.510
have much, much worse medicine. And that's the sad part

1126
01:05:00.550 --> 01:05:03.420
is that The quality of care goes down dramatically, but

1127
01:05:03.440 --> 01:05:07.239
the coverage goes to everybody. But then you suffer.

1128
01:05:07.940 --> 01:05:10.760
Right, of course. Well, it's shared misery. That's the tradition

1129
01:05:10.860 --> 01:05:13.820
of socialism. Going back to what you were talking about,

1130
01:05:13.860 --> 01:05:18.739
and especially this latest move by the EU and this movement,

1131
01:05:19.239 --> 01:05:22.539
I mean, this continues to move forward. And this is

1132
01:05:22.599 --> 01:05:25.239
this one world government. I mean, all these things are

1133
01:05:25.280 --> 01:05:29.010
being lined up. The trajectory is right there. And you wonder,

1134
01:05:29.090 --> 01:05:32.590
at least I do, is saying, is this inevitable? For

1135
01:05:32.650 --> 01:05:34.630
how long can we push back? I mean, Donald Trump

1136
01:05:34.670 --> 01:05:38.260
has come into office. He's helping us, you know, to

1137
01:05:38.300 --> 01:05:42.409
kind of hold back. you know, the insurgence of the

1138
01:05:42.469 --> 01:05:46.130
European Union, the one world government. And, you know, the

1139
01:05:46.170 --> 01:05:48.570
Democrats forget it. They hate Trump so much they can't

1140
01:05:48.590 --> 01:05:49.969
even see it. Well, they're kind of for a one

1141
01:05:49.989 --> 01:05:52.989
world government anyway, the truth be known. So, you know,

1142
01:05:53.010 --> 01:05:55.449
that serves their purpose and interest. But it doesn't serve

1143
01:05:55.469 --> 01:05:58.800
the interest of over 50 percent of America that, you know,

1144
01:05:58.880 --> 01:06:01.679
still loves their, you know, they still love their jobs.

1145
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They love their homes. And, you know, they want to

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1151
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1152
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Then the credit card companies, as nice as they are,

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He's a political economy strategist and congressional advisor. He's also

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the host of Hard Asset Money Show. So what say you, Christian,

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on that?

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Well, I say this, that if the Democrats sweep the

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Senate and the House here in the next few months,

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and then they're successful in 28 to gain back the

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White House, and you have anybody within the administration... that

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has the kind of influence that Obama had and a

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lot of his people that he installed in there and

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appointed from various positions, not just in the things of

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which we know from a secretary position, but really behind

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the scenes, especially in the intelligence community, and they leaned

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far left, that will be the way of the country.

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There's no way to reverse how far we've come. One

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of the senior advisors in the Trump administration here in

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the last week or so has recently come out and

1238
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admitted that socialism in America is inevitable. And his timeline

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01:11:38.039 --> 01:11:41.699
was between 28 and 32. And I'm thinking it's going

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to start to begin the process in 28, because remember,

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we're going to be completely digital from transportation to healthcare

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to money. We're not going to have the kind of

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privacy and the control over our own assets much longer.

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So it really doesn't really take much of somebody who

1245
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leans left, not far left, just left enough where, you

1246
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know what, we're going to flip that switch. Now all

1247
01:12:03.739 --> 01:12:06.270
that wealth belongs to the government. We'll give it to

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you in small incremental payments called grants. That's your universal

1249
01:12:11.289 --> 01:12:14.529
basic income. And so when you start to think about that,

1250
01:12:14.899 --> 01:12:18.000
it's like, oh, it all makes sense. We're building massive

1251
01:12:18.039 --> 01:12:22.279
amounts of multifamily federal housing that Trump's ordered because he

1252
01:12:22.340 --> 01:12:25.600
knows at some point AI and robotics are going to,

1253
01:12:25.920 --> 01:12:29.479
at least on a lower level, replace about 25 to

1254
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50 million jobs. And that's within five years, five years.

1255
01:12:33.859 --> 01:12:35.600
Elon Musk went on the record and said they're going

1256
01:12:35.619 --> 01:12:38.960
to produce a billion robots within 10 years. A billion robots.

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The vast majority will be in that G20, which is

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the largest industrial size of countries in the world. And

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01:12:44.979 --> 01:12:46.859
all of a sudden, that's a billion people. Guess what?

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They're not working. What are you going to do with them?

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01:12:48.899 --> 01:12:50.810
What are you going to do with these people? And

1262
01:12:50.850 --> 01:12:53.279
that's the question people need to realize is that they're

1263
01:12:53.369 --> 01:12:57.189
building a society. That's why Facebook is meta. Okay, Bill,

1264
01:12:57.250 --> 01:13:00.369
listen to me carefully. It's called the metaverse. You need

1265
01:13:00.390 --> 01:13:04.850
three things in which to control people. Food, shelter, entertainment.

1266
01:13:05.970 --> 01:13:08.600
So the Soviets did it very carefully. So we're doing it.

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We'll give you a universal basic income. Buy your food.

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We'll give you government housing. You got your shelter. We'll

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01:13:13.899 --> 01:13:16.100
give you metaverse. So you go anywhere in the world,

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01:13:16.140 --> 01:13:18.500
but you'll never leave your living room. There's your entertainment.

1271
01:13:18.539 --> 01:13:20.739
You can watch movies. You can watch shows. You can

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go on travel. You can hang out with your friends.

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01:13:24.989 --> 01:13:28.010
You'll never live outside that government living room.

1274
01:13:30.600 --> 01:13:32.659
It's amazing because fast forward, I mean, this is like

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01:13:32.699 --> 01:13:36.159
the Roman Empire, you know, and gladiators and that sort

1276
01:13:36.199 --> 01:13:38.449
of thing for entertainment, right? Now you just get to

1277
01:13:38.989 --> 01:13:41.930
sit on your couch, pop some popcorn and, you know,

1278
01:13:41.970 --> 01:13:44.189
be entertained, be amused, right? Yeah.

1279
01:13:44.289 --> 01:13:46.430
If you want to watch Gladiator 1, Part 2, whatever,

1280
01:13:46.850 --> 01:13:48.840
I liked one better than two. Two's not bad, but

1281
01:13:48.899 --> 01:13:51.039
one's better. And if you want to be actually in

1282
01:13:51.079 --> 01:13:53.039
the movie, you'll be in the movie. You'll be able

1283
01:13:53.060 --> 01:13:55.000
to pick up your sword. You'll be able to be

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01:13:55.060 --> 01:13:59.079
there and you'll never leave that government house that they

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01:13:59.100 --> 01:14:01.859
provide you for. That's what they said. Remember, give the

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01:14:01.899 --> 01:14:05.680
people entertainment, distract them, give them back. You know that

1287
01:14:05.699 --> 01:14:08.960
they lower the IQs. The more we watch programs, the

1288
01:14:09.020 --> 01:14:13.930
more we entertain ourselves with sensual overload, right? Your senses,

1289
01:14:13.970 --> 01:14:17.130
you're just, you can feel it. They are lowering the IQ.

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01:14:17.210 --> 01:14:21.970
A recent study came out that showed since 1980 through

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01:14:22.550 --> 01:14:26.189
end of last year, the average human being in the

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01:14:26.229 --> 01:14:29.909
world has lowered their IQ by 23 at a minimum,

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at a minimum. When people think, well, that doesn't sound

1294
01:14:32.979 --> 01:14:35.100
like a lot. It does because the average IQ was

1295
01:14:35.159 --> 01:14:40.119
around 95. Now we're in the 70s, okay, 70s. When

1296
01:14:40.140 --> 01:14:42.960
you get to 60, you shouldn't even be able to

1297
01:14:42.979 --> 01:14:46.590
drive a car. We're talking some countries in the world

1298
01:14:46.649 --> 01:14:50.020
and its continents are in the low 60s, upper 50s.

1299
01:14:50.810 --> 01:14:51.050
Wow.

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01:14:51.329 --> 01:14:54.869
We're talking about people that can't even sustain a focus.

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01:14:55.479 --> 01:14:58.579
on a business or a focus on doing anything that's

1302
01:14:58.600 --> 01:15:00.020
going to be super productive. And those are the people

1303
01:15:00.039 --> 01:15:02.979
they're just going to put in the housing, their goggles on,

1304
01:15:03.239 --> 01:15:05.979
and Apple's doing it. Look at Apple. They've got that

1305
01:15:06.279 --> 01:15:08.539
3D stuff. Meta's got it. And all of them are

1306
01:15:08.560 --> 01:15:11.270
going to get there eventually because they know that's where

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01:15:11.289 --> 01:15:13.689
the masses are going to be. So give them what

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01:15:13.729 --> 01:15:14.149
they want.

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01:15:14.779 --> 01:15:16.760
Well, and that's the dream of the politicians. I mean,

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01:15:16.779 --> 01:15:18.659
they've been saying forever and ever, I mean, thank God,

1311
01:15:18.930 --> 01:15:21.369
you guys are so lucky that we're here doing the job.

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01:15:21.409 --> 01:15:23.810
We're doing your bidding because we're so much smarter than you.

1313
01:15:24.850 --> 01:15:28.630
It's like a handful of politicians and so-called elites are

1314
01:15:28.670 --> 01:15:32.149
much smarter than the cumulative intelligence of 350 million people.

1315
01:15:32.430 --> 01:15:34.529
But if you drop that down to the lowest common

1316
01:15:34.550 --> 01:15:38.210
denominator and you start losing IQ points along the way,

1317
01:15:38.609 --> 01:15:42.130
then you're a lot more amenable. Yeah, you are.

1318
01:15:42.229 --> 01:15:44.739
And that's the funny thing about it is that When

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01:15:44.760 --> 01:15:49.039
you start to look at the pieces individually, you kind

1320
01:15:49.079 --> 01:15:51.060
of like, okay, I kind of get it, kind of don't.

1321
01:15:51.439 --> 01:15:55.390
But when you put the pieces together, how do we

1322
01:15:55.449 --> 01:15:57.829
transform to a cashless society? We've got to go the

1323
01:15:57.890 --> 01:16:00.569
genius act, the clarity act. You got to go digital first.

1324
01:16:00.670 --> 01:16:03.130
Even if the digital system is a little bit more

1325
01:16:03.229 --> 01:16:06.170
private and less control, it'll get there eventually though. It'll

1326
01:16:06.189 --> 01:16:07.829
get to full control, but you got to switch at

1327
01:16:07.869 --> 01:16:10.229
least to do that. It's the way of the horse

1328
01:16:10.270 --> 01:16:14.510
and buggy. In order to get cars, fundamentally in everyday lives,

1329
01:16:14.569 --> 01:16:15.689
you got to get rid of the horse and buggy

1330
01:16:15.729 --> 01:16:17.970
first and do cars. Now the cars are going to

1331
01:16:17.989 --> 01:16:18.229
be what?

1332
01:16:18.369 --> 01:16:18.930
Autonomous.

1333
01:16:19.250 --> 01:16:20.930
You can't even drive them. If they don't want you

1334
01:16:20.949 --> 01:16:23.970
to go there, they'll turn that thing off.

1335
01:16:23.989 --> 01:16:26.789
Well, they can control Tiger Woods now in the autonomous car.

1336
01:16:27.689 --> 01:16:30.289
Tiger's going to be the cab's number one customer here

1337
01:16:30.329 --> 01:16:32.470
because he got his license suspended for five years is

1338
01:16:32.510 --> 01:16:36.010
what I read. But when you think about that, why

1339
01:16:36.069 --> 01:16:39.220
was climate change so important? It was to move us

1340
01:16:39.260 --> 01:16:43.300
to an electrical grid, an electrical environment, electric cars on

1341
01:16:43.359 --> 01:16:46.350
and off. Look at what you have with Nest. Nest

1342
01:16:46.430 --> 01:16:49.829
is a thermostat company that Google overpaid for years ago

1343
01:16:50.270 --> 01:16:54.789
because it had market penetration. That can be outside tappered with, right?

1344
01:16:54.810 --> 01:16:57.350
So Google determines, oh, you're way too much use on

1345
01:16:57.390 --> 01:16:59.270
your AC. Turn it off.

1346
01:16:59.340 --> 01:17:00.220
Dial it back, right.

1347
01:17:00.359 --> 01:17:03.380
Yes. And that's what's happening, Bill. If you look at

1348
01:17:03.579 --> 01:17:06.159
all of the systems being put into place, it lowers

1349
01:17:06.199 --> 01:17:10.590
the IQ of it makes people more docile. And number three,

1350
01:17:10.710 --> 01:17:12.609
it confiscates all of their wealth. Why do you think

1351
01:17:12.649 --> 01:17:15.810
gold and silver and other commodities is not just about

1352
01:17:15.909 --> 01:17:19.180
AI data centers build up? Precious metals are going up

1353
01:17:19.420 --> 01:17:23.340
dramatically for many reasons, including governments do not trust the

1354
01:17:23.359 --> 01:17:26.279
United States' dollar anymore, nor do they trust our debt.

1355
01:17:26.960 --> 01:17:31.770
Right, exactly. And you got some socialists suggesting that we

1356
01:17:31.810 --> 01:17:35.550
should give up the dollar as the petro resolve. And

1357
01:17:35.569 --> 01:17:39.970
it's like- Are you kidding me? I mean, you just

1358
01:17:40.010 --> 01:17:42.720
demonstrated that you talk about lowering your IQ. You're not

1359
01:17:42.729 --> 01:17:45.520
at 30. You really brought it down to 50 real quick.

1360
01:17:46.340 --> 01:17:49.680
Oh, 100%. Here's kind of what I think is going

1361
01:17:49.699 --> 01:17:52.539
to be the factor that really makes everything kind of

1362
01:17:52.600 --> 01:17:58.720
come together. And that is, once you see the midterms lost,

1363
01:17:58.859 --> 01:18:02.140
once we legitimately lose the midterms, and we're not talking

1364
01:18:02.180 --> 01:18:05.960
about fraud or mail-in ballots, this will be legit. You

1365
01:18:05.979 --> 01:18:11.789
look at that 18% to 36-year-old demographic, 96% now aligned

1366
01:18:11.850 --> 01:18:17.210
with socialism and or communism ideology, 96%. That's up from

1367
01:18:17.210 --> 01:18:20.720
12% 26 years ago. So now when you think about

1368
01:18:20.760 --> 01:18:23.100
that and how that's going to resonate from local governments

1369
01:18:23.760 --> 01:18:26.380
to state governments, all the way to that federal level.

1370
01:18:26.779 --> 01:18:29.479
And on top of that, you've got 12 million Muslims

1371
01:18:29.579 --> 01:18:34.420
out there that are voting 100% Democrat by 28 to 32,

1372
01:18:34.420 --> 01:18:36.579
we don't have that many new Republicans coming in the

1373
01:18:36.619 --> 01:18:39.420
party to vote and to maintain the growth of conservative

1374
01:18:39.840 --> 01:18:44.010
values and voting consistency. So now by 28, if not

1375
01:18:44.329 --> 01:18:47.770
for sure by 32, there's no federal government that's going

1376
01:18:47.789 --> 01:18:49.670
to be so far left that you don't even need

1377
01:18:49.689 --> 01:18:52.029
your right hand anymore. It'll be obsolete.

1378
01:18:52.689 --> 01:18:56.300
Yeah. Speaking of AI data centers, all part and parcel

1379
01:18:56.359 --> 01:18:57.140
of the formula, right?

1380
01:18:57.739 --> 01:18:57.920
Yeah.

1381
01:18:58.039 --> 01:18:58.260
Oh, yeah.

1382
01:18:58.279 --> 01:19:00.979
The data centers was to hold data. It's to hold

1383
01:19:01.079 --> 01:19:03.819
massive amounts of data. And so when you think about

1384
01:19:04.060 --> 01:19:06.220
all the data that we have now, think about your phone.

1385
01:19:06.659 --> 01:19:12.090
You've got music, movies, photos. Data that's been put on

1386
01:19:12.109 --> 01:19:13.930
there is now in the cloud. You don't even own

1387
01:19:13.949 --> 01:19:15.649
it anymore. You used to have a SIM card. Remember,

1388
01:19:15.689 --> 01:19:17.170
you could take your SIM card out. It was all

1389
01:19:17.270 --> 01:19:20.479
on there. They got rid of that real fast because

1390
01:19:20.520 --> 01:19:23.340
then you didn't need them. So now you pay monthly

1391
01:19:23.779 --> 01:19:26.819
for the pleasure of having all this cloud storage space.

1392
01:19:27.220 --> 01:19:31.720
So that data center is built for specifically the systems

1393
01:19:31.779 --> 01:19:34.359
in which we're talking about on today's show. The money,

1394
01:19:34.439 --> 01:19:38.289
the healthcare, the transportation, biometrics, all the things which is

1395
01:19:38.310 --> 01:19:39.170
like digital IDs.

1396
01:19:40.510 --> 01:19:42.270
What a scam, Chris, when you think about it, is

1397
01:19:42.289 --> 01:19:46.390
that you're paying somebody to surrender your liberties.

1398
01:19:47.869 --> 01:19:50.750
You're not surrendering. They're taking them.

1399
01:19:51.069 --> 01:19:54.579
I know, but you're participating in it. It's not like

1400
01:19:54.699 --> 01:19:56.920
they're necessarily coming in with a mask and a gun.

1401
01:19:56.939 --> 01:19:59.380
I mean, we're willfully turning it over to them.

1402
01:20:00.079 --> 01:20:02.180
All the people that put their pictures of their children

1403
01:20:02.199 --> 01:20:06.640
and themselves and their lives on Facebook and Instagram... I

1404
01:20:06.739 --> 01:20:09.460
once said, if there was ever any people out there

1405
01:20:09.739 --> 01:20:14.560
that can prove that walking brain donors exist, talk about

1406
01:20:14.579 --> 01:20:17.220
the men and women, the moms and dads and the

1407
01:20:17.260 --> 01:20:21.050
grandparents that put their kids on Facebook for the whole world.

1408
01:20:21.359 --> 01:20:27.149
Do you know that 50% of pedophilia is because pedophiles

1409
01:20:27.329 --> 01:20:33.569
use Facebook posts to find their targets? Yeah, now what

1410
01:20:33.850 --> 01:20:36.850
they're doing around the world, is they're taking images of

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If you don't want privacy, move to North Korea. Go

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People bitch and complain here. Oh, I want privacy and

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I want security. You put your whole family on the internet.

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Are you crazy?

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Exactly.

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Yeah, got to leave it there for now. He's the

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CEO of Hard Asset Management, political economy strategist, congressional advisor,

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Christian Briggs.

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Thank you, Christian.

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My pleasure. Thank you, Bill. Have a great day.

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Hey, welcome back. Bill Martinez here. We are live for

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more information on the show, BillMartinezLive.com. And what a story

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to share with you right now. I mean, this embodies

1480
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so much of the problem in our government today is

1481
01:25:06.220 --> 01:25:11.500
the story by Stephen Keller, former financial CEO and pioneering entrepreneur.

1482
01:25:11.680 --> 01:25:16.359
He builds a multi-billion dollar life settlements business before becoming

1483
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the target of a federal prosecution. He says was orchestrated

1484
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by powerful corporate interests and a broken pay-to-play political system. Now,

1485
01:25:26.779 --> 01:25:28.899
you hear a lot of that these days, pay-to-play, and

1486
01:25:28.920 --> 01:25:32.979
he's going to explain that and share with us how

1487
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complicated it became and the cost that he had to pay. Today,

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01:25:37.140 --> 01:25:41.159
Keller is the co-founder of Justice Restoration Foundation. It is

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a nonpartisan 501c3 dedicated to exposing government overreach and defending

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01:25:47.399 --> 01:25:51.979
constitutional rights for Americans harmed by injustice. Stephen, welcome to

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01:25:52.020 --> 01:25:53.100
the show. Glad you could join us.

1492
01:25:53.960 --> 01:25:55.939
Well, thanks for having me and thanks for sharing your

1493
01:25:55.979 --> 01:25:56.500
space with me.

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01:25:56.960 --> 01:25:59.640
Well, what a story. I mean, this, like I said,

1495
01:26:00.039 --> 01:26:05.989
this really, I believe, epitomizes some root issues in our

1496
01:26:06.050 --> 01:26:09.710
government today. How we've lost our way. We're 250 years

1497
01:26:09.770 --> 01:26:12.670
down the road. And dare I say, our founding fathers

1498
01:26:12.729 --> 01:26:17.100
could look at the really the vast systemic corruption that

1499
01:26:17.140 --> 01:26:19.739
has infiltrated this great American idea, sadly.

1500
01:26:21.239 --> 01:26:22.520
Yes, it is.

1501
01:26:23.300 --> 01:26:27.279
It's a systemic problem throughout the country. And I view

1502
01:26:27.319 --> 01:26:30.569
it as a pandemic. I mean, it truly is a

1503
01:26:31.189 --> 01:26:36.409
pandemic against entrepreneurs, innovators, professionals, doctors in this country. And

1504
01:26:36.609 --> 01:26:39.710
the playbook that happened to me was years ago. I

1505
01:26:39.729 --> 01:26:41.569
did not come out with the book because I was

1506
01:26:41.630 --> 01:26:45.210
fearful of retribution against my life and my kids. And

1507
01:26:46.550 --> 01:26:49.310
I truly didn't think back then that people would gravitate

1508
01:26:49.369 --> 01:26:52.770
to the truth of the story. And, you know, once

1509
01:26:52.810 --> 01:26:56.270
they see what happened with President Trump, whether you like

1510
01:26:56.329 --> 01:26:59.850
President Trump or not, I mean, they came after the

1511
01:26:59.989 --> 01:27:02.640
highest leader in the country, which means they could come

1512
01:27:02.680 --> 01:27:07.880
after you and I at will. So it's something that's

1513
01:27:07.939 --> 01:27:11.340
got to be addressed. And America needs to wake up.

1514
01:27:11.659 --> 01:27:13.800
And we need to start looking at this really hard.

1515
01:27:14.500 --> 01:27:14.680
Right.

1516
01:27:15.260 --> 01:27:17.659
And the thing is, is this is not unique to America.

1517
01:27:17.680 --> 01:27:19.279
I mean, it comes in different forms. I mean, in

1518
01:27:19.319 --> 01:27:22.329
third world countries where you've got these despots that are

1519
01:27:22.350 --> 01:27:26.189
running countries, this is how they operate. So here it is.

1520
01:27:26.250 --> 01:27:27.909
I mean, you think, wait a minute, this is America,

1521
01:27:27.949 --> 01:27:29.729
the land of the free, home of the brave. How

1522
01:27:29.789 --> 01:27:32.890
can we be allowing something like this to occur in

1523
01:27:32.930 --> 01:27:35.649
our country? But this happens, whether we're talking, you know,

1524
01:27:35.729 --> 01:27:38.050
in your particular case, the things that happened with J6,

1525
01:27:38.449 --> 01:27:40.850
the lawfare that has been going on in our country

1526
01:27:40.890 --> 01:27:43.029
that's become more and more evident in the last decade.

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01:27:43.510 --> 01:27:46.229
I mean, you know, reasonable Americans are saying enough of

1528
01:27:46.270 --> 01:27:47.109
this stuff already.

1529
01:27:48.109 --> 01:27:48.449
They are.

1530
01:27:48.479 --> 01:27:50.619
And, you know, when I came out with this book,

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01:27:51.020 --> 01:27:52.720
I was excited to finally come out with the book

1532
01:27:52.739 --> 01:27:56.180
because it took years to write this book. This book

1533
01:27:56.729 --> 01:27:58.779
is a, it's called a memoir, but it's really a

1534
01:27:58.810 --> 01:28:01.430
political thriller. I wrote it like a John Grisham and

1535
01:28:01.489 --> 01:28:04.569
it's landing like that for people. Uh, so it's, it's

1536
01:28:04.609 --> 01:28:07.229
not a, uh, watch, watch the paint dry on the

1537
01:28:07.270 --> 01:28:10.569
wall to tell about this, you know, injustice story. It's

1538
01:28:10.630 --> 01:28:14.369
about a truly, um, a story that will take you

1539
01:28:14.449 --> 01:28:17.630
on a ride of your life. And, uh, it, it was, uh,

1540
01:28:18.029 --> 01:28:20.510
writing along with me, I was fighting for my freedom,

1541
01:28:20.569 --> 01:28:23.789
and I absconded the country to do so with my

1542
01:28:23.850 --> 01:28:26.229
ex-wife and two kids at one time through this story.

1543
01:28:27.489 --> 01:28:31.810
But my story is unique in the fact that I

1544
01:28:31.869 --> 01:28:33.930
know who did this to me, and I know who

1545
01:28:33.989 --> 01:28:36.189
orchestrated the federal government to come after us.

1546
01:28:36.960 --> 01:28:39.380
Um, and, and, and, you know, when I came out

1547
01:28:39.420 --> 01:28:40.600
with the book, I was.

1548
01:28:40.560 --> 01:28:44.100
Excited, uh, to share this story with the world and

1549
01:28:44.159 --> 01:28:47.989
to show people and to, and to showcase this, uh, this,

1550
01:28:48.170 --> 01:28:50.270
you know, playbook that's still going on today.

1551
01:28:50.289 --> 01:28:51.069
Right.

1552
01:28:51.130 --> 01:28:54.949
And I was, I was confronted with, um, a bunch

1553
01:28:54.989 --> 01:28:58.359
of white collar, uh, um, It's a support group for

1554
01:28:58.439 --> 01:29:01.390
white collar people that are going through a similar system

1555
01:29:01.430 --> 01:29:04.109
today that we didn't have back in my day. So

1556
01:29:04.130 --> 01:29:06.270
when I got exposed to this and started hearing the stories,

1557
01:29:06.949 --> 01:29:08.689
it was like a punch in the gut, Bill. It

1558
01:29:08.710 --> 01:29:12.279
was like, you know, and I realized it's no longer

1559
01:29:12.319 --> 01:29:14.960
about me. It's no longer about my book. It's something

1560
01:29:15.020 --> 01:29:17.500
I can do with this story to share how this

1561
01:29:17.539 --> 01:29:20.770
goes on and the inner workings of D.C. and how

1562
01:29:20.810 --> 01:29:25.090
this intersects with corporations and for corporate greed to try

1563
01:29:25.130 --> 01:29:27.369
to take out their competitor, which is still going on today.

1564
01:29:28.029 --> 01:29:31.399
And I realized that maybe I was the one to

1565
01:29:31.520 --> 01:29:34.920
start this movement from this book, which we did. We

1566
01:29:34.960 --> 01:29:40.159
started the Justice Restoration Foundation to help thousands of people

1567
01:29:40.220 --> 01:29:41.859
out here and to help people that are going through

1568
01:29:41.899 --> 01:29:45.239
this now and to try to prevent them from having

1569
01:29:45.260 --> 01:29:47.579
to go through what I went through, which was eight

1570
01:29:47.600 --> 01:29:48.880
and a half years of federal prison.

1571
01:29:50.189 --> 01:29:53.210
That's incredible. You know, Stephen, you know, speaking of the

1572
01:29:53.250 --> 01:29:58.739
Justice Reformation Foundation that you started, I got to imagine

1573
01:29:59.140 --> 01:30:02.779
when Trump, you know, got a claim against the government

1574
01:30:03.159 --> 01:30:05.380
and said, hey, I'm going to put that money towards

1575
01:30:05.859 --> 01:30:10.529
people that have been unjustly attacked and try to make

1576
01:30:10.569 --> 01:30:15.109
them whole. And it was amazing how the pushback on

1577
01:30:15.170 --> 01:30:18.529
that came. Right. I mean, that's quite telling. And I

1578
01:30:18.569 --> 01:30:21.609
think that plays into your book. and your experience that,

1579
01:30:22.130 --> 01:30:24.949
you know, when you say this is a systemic issue,

1580
01:30:25.510 --> 01:30:29.930
this is a systemic and deep, you use the word pandemic,

1581
01:30:31.189 --> 01:30:33.609
and I guess that's appropriate as well.

1582
01:30:34.670 --> 01:30:36.479
Well, you bring up a good point.

1583
01:30:37.520 --> 01:30:40.460
We've had the Hyde Amendment around for 30 years, and

1584
01:30:40.479 --> 01:30:44.680
the Hyde Amendment was supposed to recover losses from people

1585
01:30:44.720 --> 01:30:48.390
that were uh, accused wrongly or, uh, you know, a

1586
01:30:48.390 --> 01:30:51.949
case that, uh, where the government came in and they

1587
01:30:52.020 --> 01:30:55.300
ruined somebody's life financially, their business. And they said, I'm sorry.

1588
01:30:56.100 --> 01:30:59.359
So it was a way to recoup those funds. And

1589
01:30:59.380 --> 01:31:03.600
the actuality is it's paid out seven people in 30 years. So, uh,

1590
01:31:03.779 --> 01:31:05.779
president Trump realized that, and that's when he came up

1591
01:31:05.800 --> 01:31:10.140
with this fund to, uh, make retribution. And it seems

1592
01:31:10.180 --> 01:31:15.069
like that there was pushback over a political stance. people

1593
01:31:15.109 --> 01:31:19.770
that were disagreeing with him on the other side about

1594
01:31:19.789 --> 01:31:23.029
the J6s, they made that a stance on this money

1595
01:31:23.430 --> 01:31:26.529
without realizing that this had nothing to do with Democrats

1596
01:31:26.560 --> 01:31:27.270
and Republicans.

1597
01:31:27.380 --> 01:31:29.479
It has to do with American citizens.

1598
01:31:30.060 --> 01:31:30.479
Exactly.

1599
01:31:30.899 --> 01:31:33.199
Listen, if we're going to be on the same team

1600
01:31:33.220 --> 01:31:35.159
in this country, we've got to be on the same team.

1601
01:31:35.699 --> 01:31:41.100
You cannot have a SEAL Team 16 where there's infighting.

1602
01:31:41.560 --> 01:31:43.560
You've got to have each other's got to cover your

1603
01:31:43.600 --> 01:31:47.079
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1604
01:31:47.100 --> 01:31:50.369
that foxhole together, we don't care who's Democrat or Republican.

1605
01:31:50.789 --> 01:31:52.149
We care about who's got our back.

1606
01:31:53.109 --> 01:31:56.329
And you cannot have these prosecutors out here trying to

1607
01:31:56.369 --> 01:32:02.010
get career advancements and bonuses or whatever they're doing at

1608
01:32:02.050 --> 01:32:06.010
the sake of people's lives. They're putting people away for 15,

1609
01:32:06.010 --> 01:32:10.239
20 years on lies. It shouldn't happen. They haven't broken

1610
01:32:10.260 --> 01:32:13.369
the law. And And they're making up these cases, and

1611
01:32:13.390 --> 01:32:16.970
it's just so wrong. It's incredible. I mean, to me,

1612
01:32:17.510 --> 01:32:20.970
those are not Americans. Those are terrorists. And that's what

1613
01:32:20.989 --> 01:32:23.659
we've got here, this mentality. And to think that that

1614
01:32:23.720 --> 01:32:28.439
is the norm, I mean, we've emboldened ourselves over so

1615
01:32:28.500 --> 01:32:33.319
long doing this practice against these American citizens, against entrepreneurs

1616
01:32:33.380 --> 01:32:35.579
and innovators and doctors and professionals.

1617
01:32:35.979 --> 01:32:38.609
That we think that's normal. And it's not normal. And

1618
01:32:38.630 --> 01:32:39.430
we've got to stop it.

1619
01:32:40.359 --> 01:32:43.539
Well, it is a systemic issue, as you said. We've

1620
01:32:43.560 --> 01:32:47.720
been reporting on this money that's been captured, assets, these

1621
01:32:47.739 --> 01:32:50.479
valuables that have been captured from these businesses, people like yourself.

1622
01:32:51.199 --> 01:32:54.029
I mean, gosh, if we ran the tab on it,

1623
01:32:54.180 --> 01:32:55.880
I mean, we're definitely in the billions, if not the

1624
01:32:55.899 --> 01:32:59.149
trillions of dollars that they've captured. And you talk about

1625
01:32:59.270 --> 01:33:03.609
incentivizing all the wrong behavior. Well, you are incentivizing these

1626
01:33:03.770 --> 01:33:08.369
agents by giving them 25%. It's like a commission. you're

1627
01:33:08.409 --> 01:33:11.090
rewarding them to do this so what are they going

1628
01:33:11.109 --> 01:33:12.869
to do they're going to let go of that bone

1629
01:33:12.989 --> 01:33:15.050
heck no man they're going to hang on to that

1630
01:33:15.090 --> 01:33:18.470
for 25 that goes into their their personal pocket but

1631
01:33:18.550 --> 01:33:21.609
yet you know what people forget okay that's 25 to

1632
01:33:21.630 --> 01:33:26.569
the agent but 75 is going to the agency right

1633
01:33:27.090 --> 01:33:29.829
yeah and this is just like what is this like fund.

1634
01:33:29.640 --> 01:33:33.479
Money exactly and and i had this conversation with the

1635
01:33:33.520 --> 01:33:37.319
majority leader after they raided my company uh i i

1636
01:33:37.380 --> 01:33:42.210
had um I had created a life settlement industry, and

1637
01:33:42.310 --> 01:33:43.109
it's an industry that's.

1638
01:33:43.010 --> 01:33:44.909
Alive and well today. It does about $ 30 billion a

1639
01:33:44.930 --> 01:33:45.630
year today.

1640
01:33:47.149 --> 01:33:50.350
When we created this, there was pushback from the insurance

1641
01:33:50.390 --> 01:33:54.729
industry because we were buying life insurance policies from 65

1642
01:33:54.729 --> 01:33:57.470
years or older. I created a secondary market where if

1643
01:33:57.529 --> 01:34:01.010
people needed money for their policy, they could sell their

1644
01:34:01.029 --> 01:34:04.670
policy and get it, as opposed to letting it lapse,

1645
01:34:04.689 --> 01:34:08.979
which 99% of the policies at that time were lapsing. So, uh,

1646
01:34:09.020 --> 01:34:12.210
the insurance companies enjoyed all of those premiums you paid

1647
01:34:12.250 --> 01:34:14.590
for 10 or 15 years, and then you walk away.

1648
01:34:15.649 --> 01:34:17.890
It's almost like your neighbor buying a house, uh, having

1649
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a mortgage for 15 years and then packing up and

1650
01:34:20.409 --> 01:34:23.350
moving and giving you the title and saying, here, here's

1651
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your asset. So it is an asset. And, and we

1652
01:34:26.800 --> 01:34:30.659
realized that, and, um, the insurance companies didn't like it. Uh,

1653
01:34:30.739 --> 01:34:32.920
they wanted to put us out of business. They wanted

1654
01:34:32.939 --> 01:34:36.380
to put the entire industry out of business. And they

1655
01:34:36.420 --> 01:34:39.189
created this raid and they had a private meeting and

1656
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got together with this scheme to eradicate our industry and

1657
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particularly me because I was the largest. And they got

1658
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the federal government to do it, to act as their

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That's 1-800-785-9618. Well, we're talking.

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With Stephen Keller. He's a former financial CEO and pioneering entrepreneur.

1724
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He built a multi-billion dollar life settlement business that we're

1725
01:39:03.310 --> 01:39:07.689
just talking about right now. And eight years plus in jail.

1726
01:39:08.550 --> 01:39:11.729
They came after him, took his assets. You know, the

1727
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impact it had on your family. Just devastating. You know, Stephen,

1728
01:39:16.260 --> 01:39:19.869
it's a wonder, and by God's grace and mercy, that

1729
01:39:21.130 --> 01:39:25.649
you didn't become a very angry man. You know, I've

1730
01:39:25.689 --> 01:39:28.489
often told my son the best form of revenge is success.

1731
01:39:29.189 --> 01:39:31.710
And I guess God's got you on the road to success.

1732
01:39:32.350 --> 01:39:34.329
And you're getting your revenge that way, right?

1733
01:39:36.109 --> 01:39:36.800
I think so, too.

1734
01:39:36.939 --> 01:39:39.119
And, you know, the anger is not so much stems

1735
01:39:39.180 --> 01:39:41.359
from what happened to me. Certainly that would make anybody angry.

1736
01:39:41.840 --> 01:39:45.729
But the stories I still hear today, fill me with anger.

1737
01:39:46.250 --> 01:39:51.550
And I see the same persecution against innocent citizens, doctors.

1738
01:39:51.569 --> 01:39:54.090
We've got some doctors we're advocating for now, just horrendous

1739
01:39:54.109 --> 01:39:58.069
stories where they're trying to destroy these people's lives. I mean,

1740
01:39:58.250 --> 01:40:02.750
they've spent, you know, decades doing what they do, renowned doctors.

1741
01:40:03.050 --> 01:40:06.189
And I see other competitors of the doctors using the

1742
01:40:06.229 --> 01:40:09.140
government the same way that the insurance companies use against me,

1743
01:40:10.000 --> 01:40:14.119
against them today. And, you know, it starts with what

1744
01:40:14.140 --> 01:40:15.960
they put in the press. I mean, they will make

1745
01:40:16.000 --> 01:40:20.899
some outlandish stories to stigmatize a juror. I mean, there's

1746
01:40:20.939 --> 01:40:23.310
no way you could get a fair trial just from that.

1747
01:40:23.869 --> 01:40:24.229
Right.

1748
01:40:24.350 --> 01:40:26.970
So that's, that's one thing it's got to stop. I mean, that's,

1749
01:40:27.149 --> 01:40:28.970
you know, when did this become okay?

1750
01:40:29.550 --> 01:40:30.590
And they did it with me.

1751
01:40:30.609 --> 01:40:33.449
Yeah. Well, let's talk about your book, pay to play,

1752
01:40:33.810 --> 01:40:35.989
explain to our audience. When you say pay to play,

1753
01:40:36.069 --> 01:40:39.220
this may be a new term for them because they're

1754
01:40:39.260 --> 01:40:42.340
not dealing in that, you know, that level of business that,

1755
01:40:42.729 --> 01:40:46.270
And level of corruption, thank God. But unfortunately, as I

1756
01:40:46.310 --> 01:40:51.189
said earlier, this is endemic of a moral issue, a

1757
01:40:51.250 --> 01:40:54.829
foundational issue that we have operating in our government and

1758
01:40:55.069 --> 01:40:56.029
in our culture today.

1759
01:40:57.310 --> 01:40:57.550
True.

1760
01:40:57.869 --> 01:40:58.170
Okay.

1761
01:40:58.210 --> 01:41:00.989
So, you know, pay to play is a broad term.

1762
01:41:01.109 --> 01:41:03.729
And I'll tell you how the book became pay to play.

1763
01:41:04.760 --> 01:41:08.619
One year after I got raided by 100 armed agents

1764
01:41:08.840 --> 01:41:12.100
at my company, I started out trucking my car. And

1765
01:41:12.119 --> 01:41:14.779
we had roughly 100 employees at the time, so it

1766
01:41:14.800 --> 01:41:16.460
was almost agent for employee.

1767
01:41:17.760 --> 01:41:19.600
They came in and they raided our company.

1768
01:41:19.859 --> 01:41:22.979
They took out 600 banker boxes from 7 o'clock in

1769
01:41:23.020 --> 01:41:27.810
the morning until almost midnight that day. And one year

1770
01:41:27.890 --> 01:41:32.149
after this raid, I was sent to D.C., met in

1771
01:41:32.170 --> 01:41:35.149
a private room in the Capitol. And the chief of

1772
01:41:35.170 --> 01:41:38.010
staff for the majority leader at that time came in,

1773
01:41:38.210 --> 01:41:39.970
grinning from ear to ear like he'd won the lottery.

1774
01:41:40.489 --> 01:41:42.539
And he says, so Steve, have you learned your lesson yet?

1775
01:41:43.420 --> 01:41:46.159
And I said, what lesson might that be? He said,

1776
01:41:46.220 --> 01:41:48.600
up here, you got to pay to play. So they

1777
01:41:48.619 --> 01:41:50.720
were wanting me to hire the Senator's son who was

1778
01:41:50.739 --> 01:41:54.939
starting the lobbying firm and there's no insurance laws federally. So, uh,

1779
01:41:55.039 --> 01:41:57.750
we were doing so, uh, and we did so on

1780
01:41:57.770 --> 01:42:00.609
the behalf of the majority leader to try to stop

1781
01:42:00.649 --> 01:42:04.430
this madness because, uh, we knew we didn't break a law. Uh,

1782
01:42:04.510 --> 01:42:06.470
we wrote the law is in our state and hired

1783
01:42:06.510 --> 01:42:08.819
a lobbyist to pass it. And so, uh, We knew

1784
01:42:08.859 --> 01:42:09.979
we didn't break the laws we wrote.

1785
01:42:10.020 --> 01:42:10.420
We wrote them.

1786
01:42:11.180 --> 01:42:13.140
Was the majority leader a Democrat or Republican?

1787
01:42:14.100 --> 01:42:17.920
Well, he just started with the Democrats. It started under

1788
01:42:17.979 --> 01:42:18.640
the Clintons.

1789
01:42:19.100 --> 01:42:22.090
The last year that they were in, they left and

1790
01:42:22.100 --> 01:42:25.850
the Republicans came in. And it just continued on. It's

1791
01:42:25.869 --> 01:42:28.939
like once this thing gets wound up, they can't stop it.

1792
01:42:28.970 --> 01:42:34.289
They can't unravel it. And that's what happened. But I

1793
01:42:34.329 --> 01:42:38.300
also think that we were paying to play. because we

1794
01:42:38.319 --> 01:42:39.220
were told to pay the play.

1795
01:42:39.859 --> 01:42:40.060
Right.

1796
01:42:40.140 --> 01:42:42.159
And I think that the insurance companies were paying a

1797
01:42:42.180 --> 01:42:43.979
lot more money than I could ever afford behind my

1798
01:42:44.020 --> 01:42:45.859
back to make sure my day did not go well.

1799
01:42:46.560 --> 01:42:46.760
Right.

1800
01:42:47.260 --> 01:42:47.659
Exactly.

1801
01:42:48.039 --> 01:42:50.539
So, so this is what it came down to. So

1802
01:42:50.659 --> 01:42:53.500
you had to pay and you ended up hiring, uh,

1803
01:42:53.600 --> 01:42:54.500
the Senator's son.

1804
01:42:54.520 --> 01:42:55.520
Yeah.

1805
01:42:55.579 --> 01:42:58.039
I mean, this is like, this is like shades and

1806
01:42:58.079 --> 01:43:00.930
memories of, of recent Joe Biden and other Biden kind

1807
01:43:00.979 --> 01:43:02.060
of stuff, you know?

1808
01:43:02.229 --> 01:43:02.850
Oh yeah. Crazy.

1809
01:43:03.670 --> 01:43:06.199
I mean, the same playbook, uh, So, you know, the

1810
01:43:06.239 --> 01:43:08.119
growth of my company took me to places I never

1811
01:43:08.159 --> 01:43:10.979
would have imagined. And on Monday, I was having lunch

1812
01:43:11.039 --> 01:43:14.079
in the White House, taking care of an administrative problem

1813
01:43:14.100 --> 01:43:15.239
for one of my bankers.

1814
01:43:16.779 --> 01:43:19.680
And on Friday, I'm in New York, back up there.

1815
01:43:19.739 --> 01:43:22.300
I was there three days a week raising monies for

1816
01:43:22.359 --> 01:43:25.699
these policies that we'd raised and were trying to buy.

1817
01:43:26.170 --> 01:43:28.829
And I get a call at seven o'clock in the

1818
01:43:28.869 --> 01:43:32.659
morning from my assistant telling me that my company had

1819
01:43:32.689 --> 01:43:35.569
been raided or was being raided by, you know, these

1820
01:43:35.710 --> 01:43:36.890
hundred FBI agents.

1821
01:43:37.430 --> 01:43:38.449
And I'm thinking it was a joke.

1822
01:43:38.949 --> 01:43:41.970
There's no way that this could comprehend that this could happen.

1823
01:43:42.750 --> 01:43:46.630
And so I realized that at a certain point in time,

1824
01:43:46.670 --> 01:43:47.470
it was not a joke.

1825
01:43:47.630 --> 01:43:49.050
And that's how I found this out.

1826
01:43:50.390 --> 01:43:53.329
Right. And so, and as you've gone through this experience,

1827
01:43:53.350 --> 01:43:58.069
you're realizing that this industry, I mean, a bit of

1828
01:43:58.090 --> 01:44:01.529
a shadow industry is what becomes, You know, amazing. I mean,

1829
01:44:01.710 --> 01:44:05.210
you're talking, you know, billions of dollars in this, you know,

1830
01:44:05.409 --> 01:44:06.970
federal lobbying scheme.

1831
01:44:08.789 --> 01:44:09.350
Yes, it is.

1832
01:44:09.630 --> 01:44:13.199
And then, you know, I'm not faulting the lobbying scheme,

1833
01:44:14.100 --> 01:44:16.979
but I am faulting the system that's set up.

1834
01:44:16.939 --> 01:44:17.680
With the DOJ.

1835
01:44:18.579 --> 01:44:20.399
And the majority leader came down to my office, he

1836
01:44:20.420 --> 01:44:23.699
sat across from my desk, and he said, Steve, we

1837
01:44:23.760 --> 01:44:27.439
know they're a problem, them being the FBI, the DOJ.

1838
01:44:28.130 --> 01:44:33.170
Not necessarily the FBI, but the DOJ. And I said,

1839
01:44:33.789 --> 01:44:35.310
and he said, Steve, we don't know what to do

1840
01:44:35.369 --> 01:44:37.340
about it. And I said, Senator, I do.

1841
01:44:37.380 --> 01:44:40.020
This is the majority leader telling you this? He didn't

1842
01:44:40.039 --> 01:44:40.880
know what to do about it?

1843
01:44:41.340 --> 01:44:42.119
Yeah. Yeah.

1844
01:44:42.159 --> 01:44:43.539
He said, we don't know what to do about it

1845
01:44:43.579 --> 01:44:46.880
on Capitol Hill. And I said, Senator, I do. And

1846
01:44:46.920 --> 01:44:49.739
he said, what's that? And I said, do you ever

1847
01:44:49.760 --> 01:44:52.729
think our forefathers ever set out to incentivize the police force?

1848
01:44:53.199 --> 01:44:53.350
Yeah.

1849
01:44:53.600 --> 01:44:56.020
And he said, what do you mean? I said, it

1850
01:44:56.079 --> 01:44:58.659
happens from the lower rung all the way to the top.

1851
01:44:58.760 --> 01:45:01.680
I said, it starts at the local cops giving quotas

1852
01:45:01.699 --> 01:45:03.689
at the end of the month for speeding tickets. And

1853
01:45:03.710 --> 01:45:05.569
then I said, when you get to your level, all

1854
01:45:05.609 --> 01:45:08.289
the way to the top, it's like you said, Bill.

1855
01:45:08.829 --> 01:45:11.789
They got incentives for forfeitures. They get 25% of the money.

1856
01:45:12.750 --> 01:45:16.350
They get job promotions by, you know, rating companies and

1857
01:45:16.369 --> 01:45:16.949
doing all this.

1858
01:45:17.489 --> 01:45:18.810
And they take all that cash.

1859
01:45:19.489 --> 01:45:22.039
I said, Senator, they take all that cash and they

1860
01:45:22.079 --> 01:45:23.979
put it back in the system and buy more people

1861
01:45:24.039 --> 01:45:26.989
to attack more Americans. And at that time, I was

1862
01:45:27.010 --> 01:45:30.510
in Lexington, Kentucky. There was 38 prosecutors in town. And

1863
01:45:30.550 --> 01:45:32.630
I said, do you think the crime's that bad to

1864
01:45:32.670 --> 01:45:33.949
have 38 prosecutors here?

1865
01:45:34.680 --> 01:45:34.960
Really?

1866
01:45:35.600 --> 01:45:37.560
And he said, well, I don't know. I said, what

1867
01:45:37.579 --> 01:45:37.899
do you mean?

1868
01:45:37.960 --> 01:45:40.880
I said, well, when there's not enough crime to justify

1869
01:45:40.899 --> 01:45:43.109
their job and what you're paying them, they'll make it up.

1870
01:45:43.699 --> 01:45:47.239
Yeah, exactly. Well, and then look at, as you point

1871
01:45:47.300 --> 01:45:51.829
out in your book, you got 98% federal conviction rate?

1872
01:45:52.689 --> 01:45:54.710
I mean... I mean, listen.

1873
01:45:55.439 --> 01:45:57.779
If anybody doesn't take exception to that, you need to

1874
01:45:57.800 --> 01:46:01.140
have your head examined because even casinos don't even have

1875
01:46:01.220 --> 01:46:02.140
a 98% win rate, you know?

1876
01:46:02.159 --> 01:46:02.920
Right.

1877
01:46:03.260 --> 01:46:07.130
So if you've got a 98% in anything, there's corruption.

1878
01:46:07.449 --> 01:46:10.649
There's something wrong. And that's one of the things that

1879
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people ask me. They say, well, what is the justice

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restoration about? Well, I'll tell you what we're about. We're

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trying to move that needle from 98 down to 50.

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We're just asking for fairness in this country.

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Exactly.

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Right.

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Well, and the other thing, too, which we saw happen

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with the J6ers, is the federal cases that are resolved

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by plea. I mean, they siege work, these people. They

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really become victims of the system, the rigged system, and

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they're backed up in a corner, and you've got to

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just go along. Otherwise, like the J6ers, many of them

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spent years in solitary confinement because they just wouldn't acquiesce

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to something that they just believed was untrue.

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That's correct.

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And unless you've been involved in this system, you have

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no idea how corrupt and how one-sided this thing is.

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I mean, can you imagine going in trial and not

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being able to depose your witnesses or people that are

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going to be used against you?

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Did you know that goes on today?

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Yeah.

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So we've got a Rule 15 right now that has

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an amendment to it that's going in front of the

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Criminal Rules Committee in October. to try to get that

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to where the defense can actually depose witnesses. Because what

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happens in that scheme, the federal government, they'll call these

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guys in, cut a deal with them, say, you know,

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we're going to give you leniency.

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We're not going to indict.

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You if you say this against this defendant. Well, the

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guy's not motivated to talk to the other side, so

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he doesn't. There's nothing to invoke him to do that.

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So this Rule 15 is coming up. Hopefully they'll do

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the right thing. They'll pass this and enable the defense

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to actually depose the witnesses. Because what happens, Bill, there's

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no attorney going to call a witness to stand unless

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he knows what the answer is going to be. So

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right now, as it stands, he doesn't know and he

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won't call him. Nobody gets called.

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01:48:08.819 --> 01:48:12.539
Yeah. So you've prejudiced the case. Absolutely.

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I mean, as an official of.

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The court, you've prejudiced the case with impunity.

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That's disgusting.

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It is.

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And it goes on the same way. And they're using

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the media to do the same thing. They'll come out

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with these horrendous stories. It has nothing to do with

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01:48:27.520 --> 01:48:31.100
the indictment in the press. And I'm not saying that

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01:48:31.140 --> 01:48:35.979
the media is at fault alone, but they shouldn't, they

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should question these and not just take what's coming from

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the government's mouth as validity.

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Because it's not.

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There's another side of this truth and they need to

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01:48:46.920 --> 01:48:48.260
look at it and they need to explore it before

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they start printing these articles.

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Let me give you an example.

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We've got a doctor right now we're advocating for that

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the prosecutor put something in the paper so bad, so

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heinous that had nothing to do with his indictment but

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made the guy look so culpable that that he actually

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had a militia try to hunt him down to kill him.

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Oh, my God.

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Yeah.

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This is true. And this just happened. And that's what

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I'm telling you.

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I mean, these stories are tilted to ensure that they

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win the case by tainting the jury. But they've got

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01:49:25.970 --> 01:49:28.170
to look at where this goes beyond that. I mean,

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when you start printing lies in the paper and it

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jeopardized somebody's life or their kids, we've got a problem,

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and we have got to stop this.

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Yeah.

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And this has been going on for a while, especially

1953
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with Donald Trump. When he came on the scene, everything's justified. Oh,

1954
01:49:43.659 --> 01:49:46.430
he's a king. He's a Nazi. He's Adolf Hitler. All

1955
01:49:46.470 --> 01:49:50.189
these things. And it's no wonder the assassination attempts that's

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been put upon him, ICE agents, the way they've been attacked,

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01:49:54.210 --> 01:49:57.229
the increase in attack of law enforcement. Stephen, when you

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01:49:57.270 --> 01:49:59.069
and I were growing up, you would never think in

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01:49:59.109 --> 01:50:02.739
a million years of going after somebody in law enforcement.

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And today, it's like, oh, it's just a common act

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of you know, incivility. It's somehow that's acceptable. It's unbelievable.

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It is.

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And that's what I'm telling you. There's nothing normal about it.

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And to say that the judges and the whole system

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has accepted this as norm is really sad.

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And we've got to have a reset. I mean, we've

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got to wake these people.

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Up and say, look, you know, enough's enough. We cannot

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jeopardize people's lives at career advancements.

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I mean, that's There's nothing right about this.

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Yeah, this is so messed up on so many levels.

1972
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And the amount of the cost involved in this, and

1973
01:50:41.720 --> 01:50:44.060
you point this out, over a trillion dollars is involved

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in lost GDP, and not to mention the damage this

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01:50:47.279 --> 01:50:50.840
does to the individual families all the way down. The

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01:50:50.880 --> 01:50:53.890
ripple effect is just incredible. Stephen, I got to look

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forward to having you back. I mean, congratulations on the book,

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Pay to Play, all that you're doing with the Justice

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Restoration Foundation. Stephen Keller, the former financial CEO and pioneering entrepreneur.

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Thank you for being with us. Take care.

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Thanks for having me, Bill.

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