March 24, 2026

The Bill Martinez Show 03 24 26

The Bill Martinez Show 03 24 26
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The Bill Martinez Show 03 24 26
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Are you ready?

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Yeah, Okay, let's do it.

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Ill Martinez Live a program about current events, our culture,

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our values, our politics, and our future.

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And now Bill Martinez.

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Hey, right now. Six minutes after the top of the

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are Bill Martinez here, we got Richard Lyons back with us,

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the author of But by the Chance of War. Richard

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always good to have you with us. How are you?

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Oh?

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Great, great to see you, Bill, Well.

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A lot going on, Obviously Trump knows a lot more

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than we do, and even the media it's kind of

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hysterical with some of the questions that they ask. It's like, oh, Mike,

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I know you got a job to do, bless your heart,

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but maybe you could think just a little bit with

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some of these questions that they're asking him, right, yeah, well.

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They seem to be a week behind, you know, yeah,

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so very thankfully Trump is Trump and his cabinet are

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working miracles.

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If you ask me, well, I Ran is desperate. Clearly,

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their leadership is in shambles. The media is hearing from

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somebody that they claim is leadership. Obviously it's not lining

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up with the leadership that Trump's talking with. And you know,

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and Trump is the kind of person, you know, CEO

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mindset that knows how to speak with authority and to authority.

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So I doubt that he is making the decision he's

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making and not having somebody of consequence that he's connecting with.

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Do you yes, I think you're exactly right. It's never

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in Trump's interest to speak falsely or to give false hope,

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because then the media would jump all over him. The

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key thing, you know, I'm sure like me, Bill, you've

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had a lot of experience in business. Business is all

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about credibility, right. You have to believe. You have to

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sell a product you believe in. You have to credibly

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present the product. You can lie about it, you can't

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sham it, you know, you have to be very upfront.

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And I think that's his training, and I think that's

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what Trump does. I think his whole cabinet reflects that.

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They do not go out and obfuscate, like you know,

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the Obama administration was great at that by an administration

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great at that. So I'm very hopeful.

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About this well.

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And I like the way he's playing it out in

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the way his team and raising Caine and you know,

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the War Department and that, I mean, this is like,

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you know, this is the America we always thought could be.

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You've got brilliant people, you've got the military industrial complex,

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you know, on a mission and being very precise and

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very strategic, not being knee jerk reacting, but observing. Yes,

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they've got pinpoint munitions going in with incredible accuracy and effectiveness.

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And then they watch the response the media, and this

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is where people need to be discerning. The media that

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do not know about military, they don't know about war,

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and their opining is so sophomoric, it's like, don't even

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listen to them, because they really don't have a clue.

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Trump is playing this out in a way that is

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leveraging all all the assets that we have there in

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the theater, right, And then you watch Iran and you

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watch their response, and here they are, they're like pretty

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much a paper tiger. I mean, they're firing bombs all

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over the place, trying to gauge the entire Middle East.

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And you know people that were you know, maybe soft

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allies kind of, I mean they're going, wait a minute, now,

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you're ticking us off because you're hitting our infrastructure, you're

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killing our people, and you know we're going to side

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with Israel. Well, how do you like those those apples, right.

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Yeah, and it you know, and it's they're misfiring on

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all fronts. When Irana is attacking surrounding neighbors like the

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UAE right or Oman. When they're doing that, can you

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imagine what they would do with a nuclear weapon if they.

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Had exactly Yes.

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Also, then they fired off a couple of missiles showing

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they have a twenty five hundred mile range trying to

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go after Alberto Garcia, the island in the Indian Ocean,

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in the center of the Indian Ocean.

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Well, that's proving they can hit London. Yes, So the

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British are necessarily a little alarmed, as.

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They should be, along with the other other NATO nations,

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European nations. They've kind of been sitting there, oh you know,

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and Macron, Oh maybe I'm just going to sit this

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one out.

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Oh really No, here's the thing, Bill, and it goes

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to the book. But by the chance of war, it

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really does. And that is unless we form a collective

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group of free nations, nations based on the rights of humanity, right,

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unless we form a collection of states economically militarily that

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goes after states like Iran, who's who are bent on

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world domination and believe they can kill anyone on their way.

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You can't have people on the sidelines saying, you know, well,

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maybe we'll wait for the next tyrant to come along

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who has a nuclear missile.

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Right, all right, right, because that is too late.

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It's too late, you know.

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And to your point here, I mean, here, what did

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Trump do? I mean, let's forget about the UN They're worthless.

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So he sets up his board of peace, to your point,

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and maybe he changes it later on becoming the board

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of war, possibly, you know, to say, yeah, can you

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hear me, Now, we're serious about this. Yes, we want

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to think about peace, but maybe it's the board of

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peace and war, you know, why not.

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And he's doing I'm going to be writing an article

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about this bill. He's doing what he is showing the

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world the tyrants of the world. Tyranny is built on

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oppressing and harvesting the wealth of your own people, right,

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It's about imprisoning them and taking everything you can from

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them for yourself. So you see that in China and Cuba,

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it was in Venezuela. This is tyranny, and tyranny when

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it extends out of its own nation. That's what Iran

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was proclaiming. And when they're lobbing missiles all over, they're

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attempting to attack neighbors. Let me just get rid of

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this bill. They're attacking in a predatory manner, trying to

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enrich themselves on other nations' wealth. That's what that is,

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and it's been throughout the history of humanity.

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That is how humanity is operated.

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That was the tyranny of kings and pharaohs and of

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conquerors trying to take wealth from neighbors.

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And this is what we're dealing with.

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We're dealing with it in China with the Belt Road initiatives,

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and we're dealing with it with aggressive Islam. As you know,

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we can take over any other country we ever, right,

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because we're a superior religion, right.

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Exactly, Yeah, God God, Yeah, God is with us. We're

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on a mission from God. Right And uh but you know,

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and you're exactly you're exactly right on this whole deal, Richard,

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because uh, you know, and this is why America stuck out,

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and also why these other nations. Wait a minute, who

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are these guys? You know, a bunch of farmers, these

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colonists from England come over here all of a sudden

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they're claiming, you know, some sort of uh, you know,

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divine mission that they're on exactly uh, you know, and

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this really uh, this really upset you know, the the

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League of Nations, the grander League of Nations, as you say,

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all these tyrants that have had it their way and go,

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wait a minute, they can't do that. Otherwise our people

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are going to you know, start thinking about peace and

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you know, self reliance and self governance.

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Right, yes, exactly right.

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The miracle that occurred in Philadelphia in seventeen eighty nine

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was more than just constitution. Yeah, it's about the rights

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of humanity and the rights of individuals to their own faith,

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to their own property right and these are that's it's

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an incredible revolution that occurred two hundred and fifty years ago.

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And so now it's coming to be between states and

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between tyrants and persons, you know, nations built on the Constitution.

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And meanwhile, you know, the battle continues. As Ronald Reagan said,

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we're but one generation away, and here we are, I mean,

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we're basically engaged in another revolution, a soft revolution, that's clear.

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That's happening here in our own country between the anti

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American segment of the Democratic Party. And you might even

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say there's some on the right, on the far right

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as well, on that lunatic fringe.

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Right, Oh, I don't equate to that. I there.

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The International Socialist Movement is exactly like Islam or yes,

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and exactly like China. China deems themselves to be the

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overlords of everything under heaven.

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I'll tell what we got to go to quick break.

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Let's pick it up on the other side. I'm sorry

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more for Richard Lyones after this.

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Hey, we're back with you. Bill Martinez here along with

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Richard Lins's the author of the nianna A Democracy, also

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his brand new book But by the Chance of War, Richard,

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go ahead, and uh, you know you were not necessarily

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an agreement with what am I saying, but that you

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have these antithical forces that I see them as being

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anti American.

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Well, you have universalist ideologies, right, You have the Chinese

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who think consider themselves the overlords of everything under heaven.

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What does that mean the whole earth?

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Yes, you have a form of Islam based on the

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Muslim brotherhood, which if you are not in the realm

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of Islam, if you are outside Islam, you are in

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the realm of war. So Islam is at war with

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the whole world until all the world is Islam. International

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socialism decrees that the whole world needs to be socialists.

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And this is where Mundami is coming from, and.

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This is where oc is.

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This is where the.

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Forces in America that are anti American want to do

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away with our founding, do away with our constitution, do

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away with our heroes, do away with our history, in

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order to create a socialist order in our country.

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Well, America has to wake up, you know, to your point,

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because basically, you know, the other side has just been

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kicking everybody's butt and everybody's going, well, you know, hey,

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I got a job to do. I'm busy, I got

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other things to worry about. But meanwhile, you know, they're

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taking up ground, and I mean to the point where

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they're you know, mulling our children and confusing the heck

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out of them regarding their sex. I mean, and the

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stuff that's coming around the corner.

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Yeah, yeah, And all that all goes back to and

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I covered in the DNA of Shadows of the Aprophola. Sorry,

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that's volume two of the Democracy series, where in the

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nineteen sixties, when LBJ created this great society, he also

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decided that the federal government should fund education and thereby

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control it.

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From that point forward.

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Belief in a civics education and belief in our government

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has founded has been on the downgrade, while on the

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upgrade is every other kind of belief, particularly socialism.

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You know, it just seems to be a less than

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brilliant move that you would allow somebody it probably doesn't

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have that high of IQ to want to run the

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Department of Education or at least come up with some idea.

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But the point was, just like you said, it wasn't

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about elevating or educating. It was about control and indoctrination.

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Yes, and it is.

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We have to localize education wide though, because then it's

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the mothers and fathers of the country, yes, who are

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influencing what the education is of their own children. The

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government should never be involved in the education, particularly the

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federal government should have nothing to do with the education

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of children. It should be a local matter, governed by parents.

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Well, and it's going to be interesting how this plays out,

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and it's already starting, you know, to become reality. Just

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like everything else red and blue, the blue states are confining.

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You know, they're following, as you say, the format of China.

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The socialists the Marxists, and they're oppressing their people, and

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their constituents are just get me a U haul, get

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me the heck got.

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Out of New Yborg.

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Yeah, I believe this.

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And they're buying the governor and the mayor are buying

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over you know what taxes to raise and and it's

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and it's that is the that is the template when

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you are harvesting the wealth of your own people and

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oppressing them at the same time, and using the taxes

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you are given as a government to oppress the person's

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you govern.

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That goes back to how the British treated the.

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Colonists exactly exactly, So taxation without representation.

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Yeah, we're going to.

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Use the taxes you you give us to create a

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standing army to oppress you.

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That's that's how tyranny works.

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Right, And and also to take care of their own

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crown and friends and the army, right and and bring

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in all this you know, ignore all this corruption and

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fraud that's been going on. Right, I mean, we're thirty

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nine trillion dollars in debt and growing and and the

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Democrats just yawn, are you kidding me?

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Well, we really need to by the midterms, we need

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to make Stacy Abrams and Governor Waltz, you know, poster

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children for fraud and waste and abuse. And and the

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mayor of I can't remember his name. It begins with

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an f The mayor of Minneapolis, this guy who pontificates

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over everybody.

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Oh, you're talking Frey, mayor of frank He's.

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Allowing billions of dollars to go out the door of

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taxpayers money.

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This guy never had a job in his life, whether

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than being mayor. He doesn't know what it means to

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earn money.

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But everybody who does, everybody who pays taxes, has to

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get up and vote and him rid of this garbage.

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Well, and the thing is is, like you said, this

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is why the midterms are so critical and people need

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to wake up because what's happening even you know, these

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people in the Blue states, is like, wait a minute.

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You know you're Margaret that you're realized, you know, you're

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running out of everybody's money here, and you can go

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back to the federal government and say, hey, like you've

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been doing. You know, Mamdannie's kissing up to Trump. He's

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trying to you know, hokel. I mean, she she cracked

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me up the other day. I couldn't believe it. Oh,

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you guys need to come back and participate in these

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great socialist ideas that we have.

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You know, no what, I love that because not one

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person's going to do that, of course, not because their

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ideas are so bad. I mean, the best way to

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take care of people is to let them take care

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of themselves, right.

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And get out of the way. And socialism is the opposite.

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They want to They want to take care of everybody

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and determine everything you do in your life.

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I mean the problem is with our government. There's too

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much socialism already in it. That's why we're thirty nine

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trillion dollars in debt and the political corruption is so extensive. Again,

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I was talking with Grover Norquist, and I said, Grover,

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tell me of the thirty nine trillion dollars in debt

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that we are in. How that is not connected to

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vote getting He said, probably every dollar I said, I'll get.

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Yeah, it's been this has been incremental for one hundred years.

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Bill.

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They've purposefully built an administrative state that doles out money

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to constituents of the Democrats, and it is how they

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keep power, right, Yes.

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And so look what they're demonstrating, you know, whether it's

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California or New York. I mean the poster children of

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states and governors and elected officials that they show us.

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I mean, how do you have confidence in that? I mean,

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this is why the Save Act is so important for

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us to you know, for we the people, to get

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control of their government. I mean, the red States seem

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to be moving in the right direction. It's just the

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Blue states that you know, we've got to drag them along,

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and we've got to you know, we're trying to get

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them to the Promised Land, and meanwhile they're trying to

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you know, stay in hell where they're at. You know,

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I don't even realize it.

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Is to refederalize the system bill and not bail out

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the blue states. They have to become victims of their

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own policies, exactly, feel it in their pocketbooks. The problem

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is all the smart people, like you say, the getting

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out of town.

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So what's happening. The margins of socialist victory.

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Will be higher, not lower, right, because they're forcing all

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the persons with any intelligence out of their own states.

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I mean, stay on this trajectory, Richard, What what's the

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hope for America?

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Well, the hope that we have a lot more. Did

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you see the victory map when Trump won. Yes, did

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you see all the red out there?

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Oh?

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Yeah, and these little dots and islands of blue and

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on the fringes, right on the coasts.

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Right with the exception of Illinois, which let's take Illinois.

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Illinois, when I was a kid growing up, there was

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one of the top five states in economics, in finance,

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they had they were a bastion of capitalism and investment.

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They are now fiftieth in the country.

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What happened.

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What happened has been one party rule for decades, Democrats

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destroying the state. And now the mayor of Chicago, Brandon

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and Johnson I think his name is now he wants

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to create a bond that the city doesn't have to

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pay for thirty years. Right, It's like a balloon bond

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at the end of thirty years. So they take the

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money now to bail out all their bad policy and

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then they don't have to pay for it for thirty years.

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Which when is the taxpayer going to get that landed

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on them?

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Right exactly? And your grandkids are going to say, hey,

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thank you very much, Grandpa.

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Yeah, thanks for the house I owe a lot of.

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Money, unbelievable, and to get back.

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To it, we have to refederalize the system so that

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they pay for their own errors. And when you juxtapose

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red states to blue states, the difference in the two

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regarding it fiscal policy and whether people feel safe in

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their own homes and in their own cities, the difference

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in policy will really come through. It'll be very huge contrast.

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And maybe the lesson we would take from that.

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Yeah, and maybe the whole issue of sanctuary cities would

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take care of itself, because logically it just doesn't float.

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Right, exactly right, you're sustaining and protecting criminals.

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Well, Richard Lyons has been our guest. He's the author.

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But by the chance of war, great book must read

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available at all the usual places, right.

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Richard, Yes, it is.

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Thank you all right, thank you so much for being

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with us. Take care, godspeed, Okay, thanks.

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We're back with you. Bill Martinez here along with doctor

518
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George Barna. Honored to have doctor George here from Arizona

519
00:28:15.119 --> 00:28:18.839
Christian University, and he's, of course, the director of research

520
00:28:18.880 --> 00:28:23.359
at ACU's Cultural Research Center and author of Raising Spiritual Champions. Hey,

521
00:28:23.400 --> 00:28:24.559
doctor George, how we done?

522
00:28:24.960 --> 00:28:26.680
Well? Billy, good to see it's been a while.

523
00:28:26.839 --> 00:28:29.200
Hey, it has been a minute or so. And in fact,

524
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I was thinking, Hey, I need some new stuff here,

525
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but you know you're not bearing all kinds of good

526
00:28:34.799 --> 00:28:35.359
news here.

527
00:28:36.279 --> 00:28:39.319
Well, Christmas is done, my friend and world.

528
00:28:39.559 --> 00:28:42.960
Yeah, okay, yeah, after all, we're in the Lenten season.

529
00:28:43.000 --> 00:28:46.279
We might as well start dealing with the harsh truth

530
00:28:46.319 --> 00:28:49.160
of it all. You know, after all, we're refraining and

531
00:28:49.200 --> 00:28:52.880
depriving ourselves and hopefully seeking God as we prepare for

532
00:28:53.240 --> 00:28:55.799
you know, the greatest holiday ever. You know that God

533
00:28:55.839 --> 00:28:58.480
has given us right tell you, I think.

534
00:28:58.359 --> 00:29:00.599
We need a resurrection of the faith of the Americans,

535
00:29:00.640 --> 00:29:03.440
because the more that we study it, the more that

536
00:29:03.480 --> 00:29:07.319
we find people take things for granted. We're very casual

537
00:29:08.079 --> 00:29:11.640
about our relationship with God, if there is a relationship

538
00:29:11.680 --> 00:29:15.079
with God. And what we're finding is that when we

539
00:29:15.119 --> 00:29:18.160
look at the foundation of all of that which will

540
00:29:18.200 --> 00:29:23.039
be our worldview, our philosophy of life, that we didn't

541
00:29:23.200 --> 00:29:27.000
lose ground necessarily too much in the last three years

542
00:29:27.039 --> 00:29:32.359
a little bit. But maybe that's you know, stabling out

543
00:29:32.400 --> 00:29:35.799
a little bit. And hopefully now, as you say, it's

544
00:29:35.839 --> 00:29:39.119
that precious season of the year, now's the time let's

545
00:29:39.119 --> 00:29:42.319
start growing, Let's get serious, let's show that we mean

546
00:29:42.359 --> 00:29:44.799
it and get busy with God.

547
00:29:45.480 --> 00:29:47.480
Yeah, even though the numbers are declining, we know that

548
00:29:47.519 --> 00:29:50.079
God still works with a remnant right by his grace

549
00:29:50.119 --> 00:29:53.599
and mercy. And maybe that's what we're looking at here, George,

550
00:29:53.640 --> 00:29:55.880
is we're may be looking at more of the remnant.

551
00:29:56.160 --> 00:29:58.079
I mean, you and I talked last time about weeks

552
00:29:58.079 --> 00:30:01.920
and terrors, no doubt about it. But you know that

553
00:30:02.079 --> 00:30:06.559
this is the season that we're in. But the culture.

554
00:30:06.559 --> 00:30:08.680
You look at the culture right now, and that's the thing.

555
00:30:08.720 --> 00:30:11.119
You know, people ask me, why are we such chaos? Now?

556
00:30:11.279 --> 00:30:13.799
Why do you think you can't turn your back on God?

557
00:30:13.839 --> 00:30:15.519
I mean, God's real clear. I mean you look back

558
00:30:15.559 --> 00:30:17.720
in the Old Testament, says time and again this is

559
00:30:17.720 --> 00:30:20.200
what you get with God, Here's what you get without God.

560
00:30:20.640 --> 00:30:22.960
And every time he says what you get without God,

561
00:30:23.200 --> 00:30:26.519
it all paints this picture of this chaotic world that

562
00:30:26.680 --> 00:30:28.759
happens time and time again. You think, sooner or later

563
00:30:28.799 --> 00:30:30.160
we'd figure this out, right.

564
00:30:31.359 --> 00:30:33.200
You would pray that's the case. You know.

565
00:30:33.240 --> 00:30:35.200
One of the things that intrigues me is here we are.

566
00:30:35.799 --> 00:30:39.680
America's in a war right now, and we've got tens

567
00:30:39.680 --> 00:30:42.839
and tens of millions of people who are fighting the

568
00:30:42.880 --> 00:30:45.559
idea that we're in war. It's like, no, I, for

569
00:30:45.720 --> 00:30:47.519
the duration of my life, I never want to be

570
00:30:47.519 --> 00:30:50.039
in a war. Hey, here's a newsflash for you. Every

571
00:30:50.079 --> 00:30:52.200
day of your life, you're in a war exactly. The

572
00:30:52.240 --> 00:30:54.920
problem is, it's to many people it's a secret war.

573
00:30:55.000 --> 00:30:57.480
They don't know what's going on, they don't want to

574
00:30:57.519 --> 00:31:00.880
take a side, they're not ready to fight, and so

575
00:31:01.039 --> 00:31:04.000
consequently they're losing the war. They're getting ambushed by the

576
00:31:04.079 --> 00:31:06.799
evil one. And what we've got to do is wake

577
00:31:06.920 --> 00:31:09.799
up understand. Okay, whether you like it or not, there's

578
00:31:09.839 --> 00:31:12.119
a spiritual war for your mind, your heart, your soul.

579
00:31:12.440 --> 00:31:15.599
It's taking place every moment of every day, and you've

580
00:31:15.599 --> 00:31:15.960
got to.

581
00:31:15.960 --> 00:31:16.680
Choose a side.

582
00:31:16.759 --> 00:31:20.480
God uses a remnant, as you say, all throughout the scriptures,

583
00:31:20.519 --> 00:31:23.359
what you find is that when God transforms the culture,

584
00:31:23.400 --> 00:31:26.039
he does it with a small group of people. He

585
00:31:26.079 --> 00:31:29.000
doesn't need a majority, he doesn't need the most powerful

586
00:31:29.039 --> 00:31:33.279
weapons on earth. He is the most powerful weapon anywhere,

587
00:31:33.759 --> 00:31:36.039
and nobody's going to defeat him. We already know that

588
00:31:36.079 --> 00:31:39.799
he's won the war. We can cheat and get on

589
00:31:39.839 --> 00:31:42.720
the winning side. It's like we've looked at the last page.

590
00:31:42.720 --> 00:31:43.359
We know, oh my.

591
00:31:43.319 --> 00:31:47.240
Goodness, we can win if we just agree to be

592
00:31:47.480 --> 00:31:51.880
on part of God's in God's army and be part

593
00:31:51.920 --> 00:31:54.640
of that winning side. We know how it ends, but

594
00:31:54.759 --> 00:31:57.680
what we don't know is how each of us individually

595
00:31:58.359 --> 00:32:01.119
is going to choose. You've got to make a choice.

596
00:32:01.160 --> 00:32:03.559
If you just leave it to default, you will.

597
00:32:03.400 --> 00:32:04.759
Lose without doubt.

598
00:32:04.880 --> 00:32:07.359
Declare that you are against Satan. You're against sin, you

599
00:32:07.400 --> 00:32:11.279
hate evil, you love God. You want his power and authority.

600
00:32:11.680 --> 00:32:14.400
You're willing to live according to his rules and principles

601
00:32:14.720 --> 00:32:16.319
because it's best for you anyway.

602
00:32:16.440 --> 00:32:19.359
It's a win win, win win. But we've got to

603
00:32:19.359 --> 00:32:20.279
make that choice.

604
00:32:20.799 --> 00:32:22.880
Well, George, you know I go back to I always

605
00:32:22.880 --> 00:32:25.519
tell everybody when you have any doubt, just go to

606
00:32:25.559 --> 00:32:29.079
the beginning when you go to Genesis and you see

607
00:32:29.160 --> 00:32:33.440
where war was declared upon humanity when Satan approached Eve

608
00:32:33.599 --> 00:32:38.119
and said, did God really say he introduced an alternate

609
00:32:38.160 --> 00:32:41.279
worldview at that point. Up until then, Adam and Eve

610
00:32:41.319 --> 00:32:43.200
didn't have an alternate worldview, did they?

611
00:32:44.680 --> 00:32:44.880
No?

612
00:32:45.319 --> 00:32:47.559
And you know, you bring up such an important thing

613
00:32:47.640 --> 00:32:49.519
for our culture today, which.

614
00:32:49.279 --> 00:32:51.160
Is the concept of truth.

615
00:32:51.640 --> 00:32:54.799
Yes, when we look at our data and what people

616
00:32:54.839 --> 00:32:58.960
believe about truth. Part of losing the war is when

617
00:32:58.960 --> 00:33:02.240
you say, nobody can tell me truth but me. I

618
00:33:02.279 --> 00:33:05.599
am the truth for my life, and nothing could be

619
00:33:05.720 --> 00:33:10.079
farther from the truth. Because the truth is God. He

620
00:33:10.359 --> 00:33:14.000
is the very embodiment of truth. And He loves you

621
00:33:14.119 --> 00:33:16.960
and me and everybody that will ever meet so much

622
00:33:17.680 --> 00:33:19.319
that he gave us the truth.

623
00:33:19.640 --> 00:33:22.759
He codified it in the pages of the Bible.

624
00:33:23.359 --> 00:33:26.079
So if we forget it, if we don't understand it,

625
00:33:26.400 --> 00:33:28.400
if we want to show it to somebody, I mean,

626
00:33:28.440 --> 00:33:30.400
all we have to do is open up the Bible,

627
00:33:30.519 --> 00:33:33.640
read the story. He makes it very clear for us,

628
00:33:34.200 --> 00:33:37.720
and ultimately then we are to become the embodiment of

629
00:33:37.720 --> 00:33:39.880
that same kind of truth. We won't do it as

630
00:33:39.880 --> 00:33:42.400
perfectly as he does. But we can know what it

631
00:33:42.440 --> 00:33:44.680
should be like, what it should feel like, what it

632
00:33:44.720 --> 00:33:47.880
should be doing, and how we can share that with others.

633
00:33:48.200 --> 00:33:52.200
Truth is critical and unless we understand that we are

634
00:33:52.240 --> 00:33:56.440
being manipulated, we are being lied to. And you know,

635
00:33:56.519 --> 00:33:58.720
some people say, well, I don't think Satan's in fact,

636
00:33:58.759 --> 00:34:01.720
most Americans says, hey, and is real. You know, he's

637
00:34:01.759 --> 00:34:04.880
a symbol of evil and whatnot. But I don't have

638
00:34:04.920 --> 00:34:07.920
to worry about his direct influence on me. You fell

639
00:34:07.960 --> 00:34:10.519
for the first law exactly.

640
00:34:11.280 --> 00:34:14.920
Yeah, gotcha. Yeah, that's true. And the thing is is

641
00:34:14.960 --> 00:34:18.599
that we sit there and we want to kick at

642
00:34:18.599 --> 00:34:22.840
the goads and refuse history and empirical evidence as to

643
00:34:22.880 --> 00:34:27.039
what happens when you deny the truth. God is the truth.

644
00:34:27.480 --> 00:34:30.039
And this is where we are in this culture today.

645
00:34:30.360 --> 00:34:33.960
It's either you're either are pro God or your anti God.

646
00:34:34.960 --> 00:34:36.960
I mean that that's the divide, isn't it. I mean,

647
00:34:37.199 --> 00:34:39.480
I mean we use you don't have to parse it

648
00:34:39.519 --> 00:34:42.239
out into politics and say, well, you're a Republican, you're

649
00:34:42.239 --> 00:34:45.400
a Democratic. No, you either are for God or you're

650
00:34:45.440 --> 00:34:46.119
against God.

651
00:34:46.880 --> 00:34:49.400
Yeah, And it cracks me up, you know, because this

652
00:34:49.440 --> 00:34:51.119
week We've been working with a bunch of people who

653
00:34:51.159 --> 00:34:54.360
are really wrestling with that issue. So how do I

654
00:34:54.440 --> 00:34:56.920
know he exists? All right, here's test number one. Can

655
00:34:56.960 --> 00:35:00.119
you open your eyes, you know, and just look around you,

656
00:35:00.119 --> 00:35:02.039
you know, go back there and read Romans one and

657
00:35:02.159 --> 00:35:05.320
Romans two and understand that you're not the first person

658
00:35:05.400 --> 00:35:07.440
to wrestle with this, and don't feel bad about that.

659
00:35:08.280 --> 00:35:11.199
But the answer is so clear, it's right in front

660
00:35:11.239 --> 00:35:14.440
of you, no matter where you look. God created everything.

661
00:35:14.480 --> 00:35:16.800
God created you. He created you to love what he

662
00:35:16.880 --> 00:35:20.280
made for you. But he created you for his purposes.

663
00:35:20.760 --> 00:35:23.000
Get a clue about what's going on, because it'll make

664
00:35:23.079 --> 00:35:24.480
life go so much better.

665
00:35:25.119 --> 00:35:28.360
Well, I like how sant Augustine worked out the formula.

666
00:35:28.400 --> 00:35:31.039
He said, First, it starts with faith. You know, you've

667
00:35:31.079 --> 00:35:33.199
got you've got to have faith, you know, as the

668
00:35:33.239 --> 00:35:37.119
song says, and that's where that's where it starts. And

669
00:35:37.960 --> 00:35:41.599
because faith will lead to belief and then belief evolves

670
00:35:41.599 --> 00:35:45.400
into understanding. Right, So it's that process that you go through.

671
00:35:45.719 --> 00:35:47.960
And it's okay that you question it. I think that's

672
00:35:48.000 --> 00:35:51.719
a healthy that's a healthy thing, and it's a blessing

673
00:35:51.760 --> 00:35:54.320
that you're asking that question. And guess what. There are

674
00:35:54.360 --> 00:35:57.199
a lot of people, you know, religious people that you

675
00:35:57.199 --> 00:35:59.960
would think, oh my God, they're just undoubtedly they're sayings

676
00:36:00.280 --> 00:36:03.000
like Mother Teresa, for example, and what she dealt with

677
00:36:03.079 --> 00:36:05.400
all her life is you know, George, I mean, you

678
00:36:05.400 --> 00:36:09.199
know she was she dealt with some dark stuff and constantly,

679
00:36:09.280 --> 00:36:11.760
you know, she was just so committed to God that

680
00:36:12.239 --> 00:36:14.880
anything that wasn't God it just bothered her and it

681
00:36:14.960 --> 00:36:17.199
put her in a dark space and caused her to

682
00:36:17.280 --> 00:36:18.239
question her faith.

683
00:36:20.239 --> 00:36:22.079
You know, I've been privileged bell over the course of

684
00:36:22.119 --> 00:36:24.599
my career to interact with a lot of the great

685
00:36:24.639 --> 00:36:27.840
spiritual leaders in America, and I try to learn something

686
00:36:27.840 --> 00:36:29.400
from every one of them when I'm with them. You know,

687
00:36:29.440 --> 00:36:32.360
it's a little embarrassing how little I know, but you know,

688
00:36:32.440 --> 00:36:34.440
it's great to be in their presence and to be

689
00:36:34.480 --> 00:36:36.599
able to ask some questions about So, what have you learned,

690
00:36:36.599 --> 00:36:39.400
what are you struggling with? How do you handle these things?

691
00:36:39.800 --> 00:36:42.559
I got to tell you, so many of the great

692
00:36:42.719 --> 00:36:46.920
faith leaders in our country when you get to ask

693
00:36:46.960 --> 00:36:49.440
them these questions to oh my goodness, I've gone through

694
00:36:49.480 --> 00:36:53.400
my dark periods where you know, stuff happens to me. Yes,

695
00:36:53.480 --> 00:36:57.039
it's a war and I start to question, where are

696
00:36:57.079 --> 00:37:00.280
you God? Yes, we're human, you know about ultimate lea.

697
00:37:00.360 --> 00:37:03.440
God again reveals himself and he brings me back to

698
00:37:03.480 --> 00:37:06.400
his word. He brings me back to his practices, his

699
00:37:06.519 --> 00:37:10.719
love and Billy, you know, I mean my primary focus

700
00:37:10.840 --> 00:37:13.440
is discipleship. Are people becoming disciples?

701
00:37:13.880 --> 00:37:14.079
Right?

702
00:37:14.119 --> 00:37:16.679
And so many people say, eh, yeah, I go to church.

703
00:37:16.719 --> 00:37:19.159
He's say no, no, no, no, no, that's not the issue,

704
00:37:19.360 --> 00:37:21.360
you know. I mean, let's look at what Jesus said

705
00:37:21.400 --> 00:37:25.039
it takes to be a disciple. And I would maintain

706
00:37:25.079 --> 00:37:27.400
that there are six times in the scriptures when God

707
00:37:27.480 --> 00:37:30.159
said this is what makes you a disciple, and one

708
00:37:30.199 --> 00:37:32.519
of those is back in Luke fourteen twenty six, where

709
00:37:32.599 --> 00:37:35.360
basically he said, look, you want to be a disciple

710
00:37:35.400 --> 00:37:38.719
of mine, You cannot be a disciple unless God comes

711
00:37:38.760 --> 00:37:41.920
first in your life. Get your eyes off yourself, get

712
00:37:41.960 --> 00:37:46.280
your eyes onto him. Understand who he is, what he's about,

713
00:37:46.360 --> 00:37:48.920
what he expects of you, what he's given to you

714
00:37:48.960 --> 00:37:52.639
to fight the war, Your gifts, your calling, your relationships,

715
00:37:53.320 --> 00:37:57.840
you know, your circumstances. All of this is not by chance,

716
00:37:58.360 --> 00:37:58.679
you know, I.

717
00:37:58.679 --> 00:38:01.880
Mean exactly greatly. Let's go to quick break. We'll pick

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Here with doctor George Barnett, the director of Research at

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Arizona Christian University's Cultural Research Center, author of Raising Spiritual Genkins.

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You know, George, you touched on something. It's so important

798
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here and for people to understand discipleship. We take that

799
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for granted. We don't realize what that does in terms

800
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of igniting your walk with God, your relationship with others.

801
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Because for all that God is giving you, and this

802
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is all what makes up a biblical worldview. You have

803
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this responsibility to not contain it. You've got to share

804
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it because otherwise, if it just stays within you, it's

805
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going to rot and start to stink.

806
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And what I find is that a lot of Americans,

807
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at least that's what I study, have this mistaken notion

808
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that they could never really be a disciple because disciples

809
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are supposed to be holy, and they misinterpret holiness to

810
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mean perfection, that we're supposed to be perfect. I'm never

811
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going to be perfect.

812
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You know.

813
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They're not sometimes willing to believe they're a sinner, but

814
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they do make mistakes. Most most Americans admit that, even

815
00:43:16.880 --> 00:43:19.679
if they don't admit, Yeah, I'm a center. But holiness

816
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isn't about perfection. To be holy means to be set apart.

817
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And that's what Jesus did for us. He set us

818
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apart as a group of people who recognize our sinfulness,

819
00:43:30.719 --> 00:43:34.639
how far short we fall, how much we need him

820
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in our corner, vouching for us before the true Holy

821
00:43:38.519 --> 00:43:42.239
One God himself, who's set apart more than any of

822
00:43:42.320 --> 00:43:45.519
us could ever hope to be. But the thing that

823
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encourages me is always to go back and look at

824
00:43:47.760 --> 00:43:51.119
the disciples themselves, the apostles, and it's like, oh boy,

825
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here's a bunch of losers, you know.

826
00:43:52.880 --> 00:43:54.519
And then I said, oh, wait a minute, those are

827
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my guys.

828
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Time.

829
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Yeah, I'm one of them. Come on, guys, let me in.

830
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And so, you know, if we recognize, okay, we're going

831
00:44:03.199 --> 00:44:06.800
from a fall in place to a saved place, and

832
00:44:06.840 --> 00:44:10.320
that saving is done by Christ. But I have my

833
00:44:10.440 --> 00:44:14.400
responsibilities in this process too. And so you know, Jesus

834
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gives us six principles for how to become a disciple.

835
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You know, obey his teachings, love other disciples, bear spiritual fruit,

836
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put God before everything else, dump your own agenda except

837
00:44:25.880 --> 00:44:29.079
God's agenda for your life. And in the process of that,

838
00:44:29.159 --> 00:44:33.320
be willing to surrender everything. Those are doable things, not

839
00:44:33.519 --> 00:44:36.960
easy things, but the doable things. And when we make

840
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that kind of commitment, yeah, we're going to make progress.

841
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For the kingdom.

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Interesting in that notation of the six principles, he didn't

843
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say don't sin, right, I mean, because your point is

844
00:44:50.199 --> 00:44:53.000
in terms of perfection, you know. And this bothered me

845
00:44:53.079 --> 00:44:55.800
here a couple of weeks ago, this this, you know,

846
00:44:55.800 --> 00:44:58.800
I was reading in my devotions is be perfect because

847
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God's perfect. And I'm going, okay, Holy Spirit, why is

848
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God calling me to do something that he knows I'm

849
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incapable of doing? He says, you missed the point. The

850
00:45:08.880 --> 00:45:12.400
point is is that in these moments of imperfection, just

851
00:45:12.400 --> 00:45:15.119
like you were saying earlier, what makes a disciple is

852
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because you're attuned to Jesus. When you screw up, you

853
00:45:19.360 --> 00:45:22.119
get back into tune. You go back to Jesus, and

854
00:45:22.159 --> 00:45:27.480
that's what reorients you and sets you in that position

855
00:45:27.519 --> 00:45:30.400
of being set aside and keeps you in that spot. Right,

856
00:45:30.559 --> 00:45:32.360
it's the fact that you come back. It's like you

857
00:45:32.440 --> 00:45:35.079
read about David and you go, man, this guy kills

858
00:45:35.119 --> 00:45:37.920
his buddy for his wife, you know, all these things

859
00:45:37.960 --> 00:45:39.679
that he did, and then God says he's a man

860
00:45:39.719 --> 00:45:45.079
after my own heart. O Evey, Right, It's true.

861
00:45:45.159 --> 00:45:47.079
You know, I was at a basketball game, high school

862
00:45:47.119 --> 00:45:49.840
basketball game the other night, and I was watching the

863
00:45:49.920 --> 00:45:51.719
kids on the squad. There a bunch of them that

864
00:45:51.719 --> 00:45:54.840
are Christians that we know, and it intrigued me that,

865
00:45:55.000 --> 00:45:57.920
you know, they mess up on the court. Coach would

866
00:45:57.920 --> 00:46:00.639
pull him off the court, talk to him, put him

867
00:46:00.639 --> 00:46:03.199
back in the game. And that's kind of the story

868
00:46:03.360 --> 00:46:04.599
of our spiritual life.

869
00:46:04.639 --> 00:46:07.159
You know. It's like God loves me. He puts me

870
00:46:07.199 --> 00:46:07.559
in the game.

871
00:46:07.559 --> 00:46:10.760
It's like, go go George, you know, and I mess up,

872
00:46:10.960 --> 00:46:12.119
he pulls me out of the games.

873
00:46:12.440 --> 00:46:13.920
Knucklehead, What are you thinking?

874
00:46:14.440 --> 00:46:17.800
You know what you're paying attention now, watch this, do this,

875
00:46:18.159 --> 00:46:18.960
you can do it.

876
00:46:19.079 --> 00:46:20.719
Go It puts me back in the game, you know,

877
00:46:20.760 --> 00:46:22.920
and hopefully I do better. But that's it.

878
00:46:23.000 --> 00:46:24.639
I mean, our life is going to be a push

879
00:46:24.760 --> 00:46:29.960
pull experience where because we are falling creatures, we need

880
00:46:30.000 --> 00:46:34.599
the only human who ever lived, Jesus Christ, who also

881
00:46:34.679 --> 00:46:37.480
happened to be divine, you know, who will come and

882
00:46:38.000 --> 00:46:39.079
speak up for no coach.

883
00:46:39.119 --> 00:46:41.559
It's okay, he gets it now, you know, He's going

884
00:46:41.639 --> 00:46:42.360
to do a better job.

885
00:46:42.360 --> 00:46:45.719
Give them another shot, you know, and God probably sighs,

886
00:46:45.880 --> 00:46:49.639
Oh my gosh, how many times, George? You know, But okay,

887
00:46:49.719 --> 00:46:51.960
you've got an unlimited number of fowls, you know, for

888
00:46:52.039 --> 00:46:52.440
the moment.

889
00:46:52.519 --> 00:46:53.679
But you know, do better.

890
00:46:53.880 --> 00:46:59.559
Yeah, yeah, seventy times seven, right, I love it. But yeah,

891
00:46:59.639 --> 00:47:02.920
I just you know, And that's how I see this

892
00:47:03.079 --> 00:47:05.920
is that you know, Yes, I mean, we're called we've

893
00:47:05.920 --> 00:47:09.000
been set aside and there's some responsibility on this and

894
00:47:09.039 --> 00:47:12.440
when we can live with that in mind, with that

895
00:47:12.559 --> 00:47:15.599
kind of worldview, that it's so needed right now. And

896
00:47:15.639 --> 00:47:19.320
you think, you know, after Charlie Kirk's assassination, you know,

897
00:47:19.360 --> 00:47:21.920
there was a lot of encouragement. You know, people, Oh,

898
00:47:22.000 --> 00:47:24.239
revival is going to break out, and all these kids

899
00:47:24.280 --> 00:47:25.840
are coming back to the church. And there's no doubt

900
00:47:25.840 --> 00:47:28.000
a lot of people are coming to churches. There's there's

901
00:47:28.000 --> 00:47:29.880
no question because you've got people who are they're a

902
00:47:29.880 --> 00:47:33.760
little upset because their favorite pews are not available like

903
00:47:33.800 --> 00:47:37.880
they were before Charlie Kirk's assassination. You know, we're such

904
00:47:38.079 --> 00:47:40.639
we're so goofy in our humanity, right, I mean, I

905
00:47:40.679 --> 00:47:42.719
don't want a lot of people coming to churches. I've

906
00:47:42.719 --> 00:47:45.920
got my seat here and and this is it, and

907
00:47:46.280 --> 00:47:49.719
this new person took my seat, you know. And the

908
00:47:49.719 --> 00:47:51.400
reason I bring that up because I went to this

909
00:47:51.480 --> 00:47:53.239
a little bit and I thought, oh my gosh, I'm like,

910
00:47:53.960 --> 00:47:58.280
who is it in the Big Bang theory? Oh gosh.

911
00:47:58.440 --> 00:48:00.480
I don't know why his name always is keepes me,

912
00:48:00.639 --> 00:48:04.199
but anyway, he always has his favorite seat in the chair. Nobody,

913
00:48:04.320 --> 00:48:07.039
nobody can get in his share. And I came home.

914
00:48:07.039 --> 00:48:09.760
I told my wife, I go, oh my god, I'm him.

915
00:48:10.679 --> 00:48:14.960
I yeah, I've looked in the mirror and I've seen

916
00:48:15.000 --> 00:48:16.880
the enemy. Yeah it be me.

917
00:48:17.119 --> 00:48:23.039
Yeah exactly. Yeah, It's just it's insane. But anyway, and.

918
00:48:23.039 --> 00:48:24.800
Part of what we're seeing in the research, you know,

919
00:48:24.840 --> 00:48:27.440
because we were looking for that, we know that Charlie's

920
00:48:27.519 --> 00:48:32.039
murder had a lot to do with the spiritual re

921
00:48:32.199 --> 00:48:35.159
examination for a lot of people. And that's you know,

922
00:48:35.199 --> 00:48:37.840
it's awful that my friend was murdered, but it's great

923
00:48:37.880 --> 00:48:40.199
that it, even in dying, he had that kind of

924
00:48:40.199 --> 00:48:46.559
an impact. But does going to church mean we're in revival? No,

925
00:48:47.239 --> 00:48:51.119
you know, and part of my contention is that the

926
00:48:51.320 --> 00:48:54.559
the the local church as we know it today wasn't

927
00:48:54.599 --> 00:48:58.760
really ready for that moment. And so what happened was,

928
00:48:58.800 --> 00:49:02.320
I mean, we've we've got to go through, you know,

929
00:49:02.360 --> 00:49:06.679
a refinement period within the church first, so when people

930
00:49:06.760 --> 00:49:10.840
come in, we're ready to actually model for them what

931
00:49:10.960 --> 00:49:14.760
christ like living is and to bring them along with us,

932
00:49:14.800 --> 00:49:19.119
because that's how then revival really works, where you've had

933
00:49:19.119 --> 00:49:22.119
that period of time where the church gets it's act together.

934
00:49:22.519 --> 00:49:24.960
Those of us who love Jesus have thought about yeah,

935
00:49:25.039 --> 00:49:29.639
am I really being a Christ's presence everywhere I go

936
00:49:29.719 --> 00:49:32.039
in my culture? And if not, what do I do

937
00:49:32.199 --> 00:49:35.239
to get there? And then when people come back in,

938
00:49:35.800 --> 00:49:38.800
then they're not just sitting there taking notes and singing songs,

939
00:49:39.360 --> 00:49:41.840
but they're able to watch us when we walk out

940
00:49:42.159 --> 00:49:44.719
and we treat people differently, starting in the parking lot,

941
00:49:44.840 --> 00:49:47.079
you know, and then when we get on the street,

942
00:49:47.119 --> 00:49:48.920
and then when we're in the stores, and then when.

943
00:49:48.800 --> 00:49:50.320
We're in our neighborhoods, you know.

944
00:49:50.639 --> 00:49:53.559
Because what we're finding in our research is that when

945
00:49:53.599 --> 00:49:59.000
it comes to discipleship, perhaps the most powerful thing that gets.

946
00:49:59.119 --> 00:50:02.360
A non disciple to commit to the life.

947
00:50:02.079 --> 00:50:05.840
Of discipleship is having a disciple whose life they can

948
00:50:05.960 --> 00:50:08.760
watch and see, not only what it looks like, what

949
00:50:08.880 --> 00:50:11.960
a difference it really makes. So it's not just a

950
00:50:11.960 --> 00:50:16.000
lot of talk on Sunday mornings, but it's faith and action.

951
00:50:16.599 --> 00:50:20.360
It's lives revolutionized by the indwelling of the Holy Spirit,

952
00:50:20.719 --> 00:50:24.039
the presence of God wherever we go. It's not about me,

953
00:50:24.119 --> 00:50:26.880
it's about me giving God a place in my life

954
00:50:27.280 --> 00:50:29.679
so that wherever I am He can shine.

955
00:50:29.360 --> 00:50:33.360
Through exactly, and it's not about the things of this world. George,

956
00:50:33.440 --> 00:50:35.400
we got to let those things go and be set

957
00:50:35.440 --> 00:50:39.239
aside and be elevated to those higher things, the higher calling.

958
00:50:39.639 --> 00:50:43.440
And it's counter revolutionary because right now, in this culture

959
00:50:43.440 --> 00:50:46.679
that we live in, it's it's you know, dog eat dog,

960
00:50:46.760 --> 00:50:50.639
man eat man. I mean, it's all about consumerism. It's

961
00:50:50.920 --> 00:50:55.400
you know, and you can't you can't disciple people if

962
00:50:55.400 --> 00:50:57.960
you want to eat them up, so to speak.

963
00:50:59.079 --> 00:51:02.039
And again, when we look at the research and ask

964
00:51:02.039 --> 00:51:05.119
people how they're feeling, because feelings are so important in

965
00:51:05.119 --> 00:51:08.159
our culture today, we trust feelings rather than any kind

966
00:51:08.199 --> 00:51:11.280
of absolute truth. So when we do that, what we

967
00:51:11.360 --> 00:51:14.760
find is an enormous number of people, particularly people under forty,

968
00:51:15.360 --> 00:51:20.800
say that they're wrestling literally every day with anxiety, with fear,

969
00:51:21.119 --> 00:51:24.000
with depression, and with suicidal.

970
00:51:23.400 --> 00:51:24.760
Thoughts, those four things.

971
00:51:25.519 --> 00:51:28.519
And so for those of us who are living in

972
00:51:28.559 --> 00:51:32.480
the same circumstances as those people who are wrestling with

973
00:51:32.559 --> 00:51:36.360
those awful weights that they're carrying around all day long,

974
00:51:36.880 --> 00:51:39.239
and to show them a smile, to show them, yeah,

975
00:51:39.400 --> 00:51:41.960
you know what, I'm not perfect, but I've got so

976
00:51:42.119 --> 00:51:46.760
much hope. I'm completely optimistic about my future because of Jesus.

977
00:51:47.199 --> 00:51:50.400
And there's a war going on, yep, it's harder to

978
00:51:50.400 --> 00:51:54.159
buy groceries and gas yep. People are at odds with

979
00:51:54.199 --> 00:51:57.079
each other, yep. It's harder to find a job, yep.

980
00:51:57.400 --> 00:51:59.800
It's tough to pay the rent this month. All of

981
00:51:59.800 --> 00:52:04.559
these things and more. But I've got God leading the

982
00:52:04.599 --> 00:52:07.599
way for me, so I don't fear any of those things.

983
00:52:07.639 --> 00:52:10.559
I'm not anxious about the future because even though my

984
00:52:10.559 --> 00:52:13.719
bank account might be struggling, I'm not because I got

985
00:52:13.800 --> 00:52:14.880
Christ living through me.

986
00:52:15.440 --> 00:52:18.559
Well, I like what Paul said. I've learned to be content,

987
00:52:19.800 --> 00:52:21.480
you know, and I think that's the measure in the

988
00:52:21.480 --> 00:52:23.199
midst of it, you know, as they say, when everybody

989
00:52:23.239 --> 00:52:25.760
else is losing their heads, you know, as you're still

990
00:52:25.920 --> 00:52:29.639
screwed on and without Jesus. Yeah, I'm with the rest

991
00:52:29.639 --> 00:52:31.800
of them, you know. I'm kicking my head down the

992
00:52:31.880 --> 00:52:36.519
road with Jesus. My head's on regardless, you know, regardless

993
00:52:36.519 --> 00:52:39.320
of what's happening around me, because I know I can

994
00:52:39.360 --> 00:52:41.960
count on Him and I.

995
00:52:41.840 --> 00:52:44.199
Love Also what Paul says, a relation of that give

996
00:52:44.280 --> 00:52:47.960
thanks in all circumstances exactly how tough it is. If

997
00:52:48.000 --> 00:52:50.559
you've got God on your side, You're going to win.

998
00:52:51.159 --> 00:52:54.639
You are winning. You are a winner. So don't worry

999
00:52:54.679 --> 00:52:57.880
about it, just to get your mind off the tough stuff,

1000
00:52:58.320 --> 00:53:01.519
gets your mind and your heart and your soul intertwined

1001
00:53:01.559 --> 00:53:04.519
with his, and move forward. However he tells you to do,

1002
00:53:04.639 --> 00:53:06.880
trust him and see the great stuff.

1003
00:53:06.920 --> 00:53:09.559
He's going to do well. And as you said, the

1004
00:53:09.599 --> 00:53:13.119
onus is on the church. It always judgment happens in

1005
00:53:13.159 --> 00:53:16.480
the church first, right, And so we've got to get

1006
00:53:16.480 --> 00:53:19.079
our act together. And we're, you know, seemingly when you

1007
00:53:19.119 --> 00:53:22.039
look at and measure a biblical worldview, the church is

1008
00:53:22.119 --> 00:53:26.599
losing ground. But God isn't. We can be thankful for that, right,

1009
00:53:26.880 --> 00:53:28.039
I'm gonna let you wrap it up.

1010
00:53:28.079 --> 00:53:31.239
Go ahead, you know, go back and just take a

1011
00:53:31.320 --> 00:53:35.000
look at the core things that you believe in life

1012
00:53:35.840 --> 00:53:38.360
and then compare them to Scripture. Find a Scripture verse

1013
00:53:38.400 --> 00:53:41.559
that coincides with what you think about every tough situation

1014
00:53:41.599 --> 00:53:44.639
you're facing today. And I'm willing to bet that a

1015
00:53:44.719 --> 00:53:47.440
lot of people are going to find wow, you know what.

1016
00:53:47.480 --> 00:53:49.119
I was going to handle it this way, but here's

1017
00:53:49.159 --> 00:53:51.719
what God says. Maybe there is a better way to

1018
00:53:51.719 --> 00:53:52.280
handle it, in.

1019
00:53:52.199 --> 00:53:54.800
His God's way. And when I do that, He's going

1020
00:53:54.840 --> 00:53:56.119
to show up in a big way.

1021
00:53:56.880 --> 00:54:00.719
Well, doctor George Barnet writes no measurable increase in biblical

1022
00:54:00.719 --> 00:54:05.079
worldview following Charlie Kirk's assassination and this report. You can

1023
00:54:05.199 --> 00:54:07.320
read it for yourself, right, doctor George.

1024
00:54:07.719 --> 00:54:11.719
Absolutely, they can go to Cultural Research Center dot com

1025
00:54:12.159 --> 00:54:15.039
or they could go to Georgebarnet dot COM's in both places.

1026
00:54:15.519 --> 00:54:17.719
Read it for free, share it with others, think about it,

1027
00:54:17.800 --> 00:54:20.679
pray about it, but apply what you need to to

1028
00:54:20.719 --> 00:54:23.000
get to that point where you have a biblical worldview.

1029
00:54:23.400 --> 00:54:26.280
He's a director of research at Arizona Christian University's Cultural

1030
00:54:26.320 --> 00:54:29.599
Research Center and author of Raising Spiritual Champions. The One

1031
00:54:29.599 --> 00:54:31.719
and Only, Doctor George Barnet. Thank you, my friend, God

1032
00:54:31.719 --> 00:54:33.599
blessed great to be with you always.

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Eight hundred six nine nine oh three five eight eight

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hundred six nine nine oh three five eight eight hundred

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Getting America back on track. Bill Martinez Live.

1055
00:55:44.920 --> 00:55:47.039
Well, Good morning America. Six minutes after the top of

1056
00:55:47.079 --> 00:55:49.760
the hour. Right now, I'm Bill Martinez. He's Kevin Mooney.

1057
00:55:49.760 --> 00:55:51.599
We're going to talk about his new of a climatecorn,

1058
00:55:52.159 --> 00:55:57.239
how and why anti populations zalids fabricate science while targeting

1059
00:55:57.519 --> 00:56:01.760
American capitalism, freedom and independence. Kevin, Welcome to Michelle. Good

1060
00:56:01.760 --> 00:56:02.400
to have you with us.

1061
00:56:02.519 --> 00:56:04.119
Hey, thanks so much for having me. Very glad to

1062
00:56:04.119 --> 00:56:04.480
be here.

1063
00:56:04.880 --> 00:56:06.840
Well, I love the premise of the book. I mean,

1064
00:56:06.880 --> 00:56:09.440
you know, you got exposed for what it is. I mean,

1065
00:56:10.719 --> 00:56:13.239
the anti populations outs have been around forever. I mean

1066
00:56:13.280 --> 00:56:16.840
they were screaming in the fetal position when the world

1067
00:56:16.960 --> 00:56:20.280
hit two billion, right, and now we're here at eight

1068
00:56:20.320 --> 00:56:23.960
billion in counting, and they just must just be out

1069
00:56:23.960 --> 00:56:24.719
of their skulls.

1070
00:56:26.519 --> 00:56:28.880
Yeah, that this idea that humanities of light to the

1071
00:56:28.920 --> 00:56:31.599
planet has a long history here, and you point out,

1072
00:56:31.880 --> 00:56:34.039
but I think the modern climate movement sort of put

1073
00:56:34.079 --> 00:56:37.440
it on steroids and sort of gave new life to

1074
00:56:37.440 --> 00:56:40.440
this regulatory state and all the centralized planning that comes

1075
00:56:40.480 --> 00:56:43.320
with it, which really amounts to an assault on the

1076
00:56:43.400 --> 00:56:47.920
American constitutional system. So my great hope is that, especially

1077
00:56:48.039 --> 00:56:50.199
what we see at the Trump administration, we do see

1078
00:56:50.199 --> 00:56:53.559
these incremental steps back toward getting us out of these

1079
00:56:53.559 --> 00:56:57.320
international climate agreements that make an end ran our constitutional

1080
00:56:57.400 --> 00:57:00.000
order and get us back to being a free, independent country.

1081
00:57:00.039 --> 00:57:01.840
And that's that's why I saw an opening to do

1082
00:57:01.920 --> 00:57:03.400
this book, because I think it's a rubber MEAs the

1083
00:57:03.440 --> 00:57:03.920
road moment.

1084
00:57:04.480 --> 00:57:06.559
Well, yeah, because really, you know, to me, the way

1085
00:57:06.559 --> 00:57:07.960
I've been looking at it, Kevin, I don't know if

1086
00:57:08.000 --> 00:57:10.079
you agree or not, but you know, I mean, it's

1087
00:57:10.159 --> 00:57:13.880
quite arrogant of people to think that God who created

1088
00:57:13.920 --> 00:57:17.800
all this didn't know better that somehow in his planning,

1089
00:57:18.719 --> 00:57:21.280
you know, he had already set a governor for a

1090
00:57:21.360 --> 00:57:26.199
set population, and you know, meanwhile, you get these faux

1091
00:57:26.239 --> 00:57:29.400
scientists who come in with their theories, which after all

1092
00:57:29.440 --> 00:57:32.440
these years and trillions of dollars, what do they have

1093
00:57:32.519 --> 00:57:37.840
to show for all the trouble and heartache and you know,

1094
00:57:38.119 --> 00:57:40.480
I believe harm that they've done to civilization.

1095
00:57:42.000 --> 00:57:44.400
Yeah, not only that, but if you listen to the

1096
00:57:44.440 --> 00:57:47.199
climates activists very carefully, all the people who they claim

1097
00:57:47.239 --> 00:57:50.719
to champion the poorest, most vulnerable populations, they're the ones

1098
00:57:50.719 --> 00:57:53.880
who really suffer from these climate policies. They're the ones

1099
00:57:53.880 --> 00:57:56.679
who suffer from the lack of access to affordable and

1100
00:57:56.760 --> 00:58:00.880
reliable energy and to the ability to improve their living addictions. So,

1101
00:58:01.000 --> 00:58:03.159
as you pointed out earlier at its part at Ruth,

1102
00:58:03.400 --> 00:58:06.000
it's an anti human movement. But I just find it

1103
00:58:06.079 --> 00:58:08.280
kind of interesting that all the people that the climate

1104
00:58:08.320 --> 00:58:11.400
activists at the UN meetings claim the champion the poorest populations,

1105
00:58:11.599 --> 00:58:13.639
they're the ones who really suffer from their policies.

1106
00:58:14.199 --> 00:58:16.400
Yeah. And the thing is is that, you know, you

1107
00:58:16.480 --> 00:58:18.599
keep thinking, when is enough going to be enough? You know,

1108
00:58:18.840 --> 00:58:20.559
when is al Gore going to go back in the

1109
00:58:20.599 --> 00:58:24.960
box that would be possible and all these other you know,

1110
00:58:25.159 --> 00:58:31.840
climate alarmists, because again, what's what credence do they have remaining.

1111
00:58:31.880 --> 00:58:35.280
I mean they it's like they've they've chased every windmill

1112
00:58:35.320 --> 00:58:38.199
you could possibly chase, and they've come up with Bubbkis.

1113
00:58:39.760 --> 00:58:42.920
Well, I think you've seized on something very important. I

1114
00:58:42.920 --> 00:58:46.159
do think there is an honorable tradition of conservationism and

1115
00:58:46.280 --> 00:58:49.719
environmentalism that predates this command and control approach that I

1116
00:58:49.760 --> 00:58:51.400
think first set in when the first Earth Day in

1117
00:58:51.400 --> 00:58:55.159
the nineteen seventies. You look carefully what they advocate, whether

1118
00:58:55.199 --> 00:58:58.679
it's the windmills or the solar farms, another of these

1119
00:58:58.719 --> 00:59:00.719
things are really good for the environceronment or good for

1120
00:59:00.760 --> 00:59:04.840
the climate. So even by their own metrics, their failure,

1121
00:59:05.119 --> 00:59:07.320
and I think there's a public awakening to that reality.

1122
00:59:08.360 --> 00:59:12.440
Well, and like you said, you know, you know, I

1123
00:59:12.519 --> 00:59:15.840
get it, because initially I think it's it's good to think,

1124
00:59:15.920 --> 00:59:18.320
you know, that we need to be good stewards of

1125
00:59:18.360 --> 00:59:22.920
the planet and we need to be mindful of conserving

1126
00:59:23.360 --> 00:59:26.320
our natural resources. I get that. I mean, I grew

1127
00:59:26.400 --> 00:59:28.679
up in California, and I got to tell you, for

1128
00:59:28.719 --> 00:59:30.760
many years when we were growing up, whenever we had

1129
00:59:30.760 --> 00:59:33.599
to go inland. I grew up on the coast in

1130
00:59:33.679 --> 00:59:36.920
Ventura County, but whenever we went Inland, this smog was

1131
00:59:36.960 --> 00:59:40.000
so bad, Kevin that you know, we had to bring

1132
00:59:40.000 --> 00:59:42.480
in oxygen tanks for our baseball team so that we

1133
00:59:42.519 --> 00:59:45.199
could we could finish a nine inning game. You know,

1134
00:59:45.360 --> 00:59:45.960
is that bad?

1135
00:59:46.079 --> 00:59:49.800
You know, Well, here's the good news, and of course

1136
00:59:49.800 --> 00:59:53.320
it goes unreported. In terms of lowering pollutants, actual pollutants,

1137
00:59:53.519 --> 00:59:57.679
the United States has made tremendous progress. You know, communist

1138
00:59:57.840 --> 00:59:59.960
China is the world's number one pollute or not us,

1139
01:00:00.079 --> 01:00:02.920
quite the opposite. Look at all the harm these harmful

1140
01:00:02.960 --> 01:00:06.559
particulates that have that have been reduced. Uh, I think

1141
01:00:06.599 --> 01:00:09.440
really thanks to the free market system and American ingenuity.

1142
01:00:10.199 --> 01:00:12.880
So there's good news out there where the environments concerned.

1143
01:00:12.920 --> 01:00:13.159
I think.

1144
01:00:13.239 --> 01:00:17.199
Unfortunately, the climate movement has hijacked traditional environmentalism.

1145
01:00:17.800 --> 01:00:20.519
Well it is, and with their false narrative.

1146
01:00:21.119 --> 01:00:21.199
Uh.

1147
01:00:21.400 --> 01:00:25.480
I mean it's been a battle, you know for energy producers.

1148
01:00:25.920 --> 01:00:27.800
And look at what they've done over the years. I

1149
01:00:27.840 --> 01:00:30.320
mean when you when you put them side by side,

1150
01:00:30.719 --> 01:00:34.920
who's done more harm versus you know the energy sector,

1151
01:00:34.960 --> 01:00:38.960
coal sector and all the innovation that they've done to uh,

1152
01:00:39.039 --> 01:00:42.880
you know, clean up coal and uh and to really

1153
01:00:43.079 --> 01:00:49.199
you know, offer too to America a really robust energy

1154
01:00:49.280 --> 01:00:53.000
sector that I believe is very positive. I'm not seeing

1155
01:00:53.000 --> 01:00:54.840
a lot of negative coming out of here. I don't

1156
01:00:54.840 --> 01:00:57.480
see you know, birds getting caught up or you know,

1157
01:00:57.519 --> 01:01:01.599
whales being disoriented, and you know, things like that. But

1158
01:01:01.639 --> 01:01:07.039
it's just that there's been a responsible reaction by energy

1159
01:01:07.079 --> 01:01:10.400
producers to give us cleaner energy.

1160
01:01:10.119 --> 01:01:13.039
Don't you think I think so. And I would also

1161
01:01:13.079 --> 01:01:17.840
say that energy and freedom go together. I think one

1162
01:01:17.880 --> 01:01:19.840
great thing about the Trump administration is the way they've

1163
01:01:19.840 --> 01:01:24.199
doubled down on unleashing our domestic homegown resources, the natural

1164
01:01:24.239 --> 01:01:27.000
gas revolution, all of our rich deposits of oil and

1165
01:01:27.079 --> 01:01:29.480
natural gas. Why in the world shall we need to

1166
01:01:29.599 --> 01:01:33.480
be dependent upon unreliable, hostile, foreign sources of energy. That's

1167
01:01:33.559 --> 01:01:36.119
just a completely backwards way of doing things. And I'm

1168
01:01:36.119 --> 01:01:38.360
glad to see there's some course corrections going on here.

1169
01:01:38.360 --> 01:01:42.480
But I repeat, energy and freedom go together. You cannot

1170
01:01:42.480 --> 01:01:44.079
separate the two well.

1171
01:01:44.159 --> 01:01:48.599
And the thing is is that when you've got political

1172
01:01:48.719 --> 01:01:54.400
interests that serve an opposing viewpoint that somehow puts money

1173
01:01:54.480 --> 01:01:58.159
into their coffers and into their reelection campaigns, I mean,

1174
01:01:58.199 --> 01:02:00.519
they continue just to scare the holy what have you

1175
01:02:00.559 --> 01:02:03.239
out of the people and you get the credit Gunberg's

1176
01:02:03.280 --> 01:02:05.719
and you get to you know, al Gore making all

1177
01:02:05.760 --> 01:02:09.079
these false statements. And you know, I'm of the old school, Kevin,

1178
01:02:09.199 --> 01:02:12.639
is that you know, if you're out there and even

1179
01:02:12.679 --> 01:02:15.880
if you have a theory and okay, and you positive

1180
01:02:15.880 --> 01:02:19.440
as a theory and it proves wrong, well then you know,

1181
01:02:19.480 --> 01:02:21.119
I have more respect for you if you come out

1182
01:02:21.159 --> 01:02:23.559
and said, hey, look at this was our idea, maybe

1183
01:02:23.599 --> 01:02:25.840
we need more research or something like that. But they

1184
01:02:25.880 --> 01:02:29.280
don't admit to it. They just doubled down, and you know,

1185
01:02:29.320 --> 01:02:32.119
and they want to gaslight this into thinking that is

1186
01:02:32.320 --> 01:02:35.599
you know, it's worse and you know everybody's dying as

1187
01:02:35.639 --> 01:02:37.719
a result of you know, climate change.

1188
01:02:39.119 --> 01:02:40.719
You know, I think it's even worse than that. What

1189
01:02:40.760 --> 01:02:43.639
they've done is they've undermined the scientific method. I mean,

1190
01:02:43.679 --> 01:02:46.039
the way science traditionally has work is that you test

1191
01:02:46.079 --> 01:02:48.639
and you have a hypothesis and let it rise and

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fall on its own merits. Under the climate movement, they

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have the ending already written. Here's our desired outcomes to

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coerce our policies onto the American people, and you follow

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the process any which way we worse to get the

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idea outcome that we want that turns science upside down.

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So I think there's been a real disservice done here.

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I think there is a course correction underway, and I

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think a rediscovery of sound science.

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Well, you're exactly right. I mean even Barack Obama, you know,

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misuses terms. He will say that, you know, this is

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a fact. Well, a fact isn't appropriate in scientific scientific terminology.

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It could be a law. You know, like you said,

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it starts out as a theory, and you know, well

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a hypothesis a theory. Then as it's proven itself, then

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you say, okay, we can you know, you can take

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it to the bank. It's the law like gravity. But

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in modern day science, there's fos science that's come out.

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Like you said, they're already writing the conclusion without having

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the facts.

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Yeah. And also what they've been teaching in public schools

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in the name of climate alarmism is terrible if you

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really take a hard look at it. It's the young

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students who really should learn about the scientific method. They're

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being told that no, there's no debate, there's a climate catastrophe,

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and that your futures can strain, and that human possibilities

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are limited, when in fact, I think the reverse is true.

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I think American ingenuity can always find a way, And

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I think we need to get back to rigorous on

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as science, and I think we're starting to. And when

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you take a look at scientific observations, by the way,

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the evidence now shows us that climate, that cooling and

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warming trends are primarily the result of natural influences. There

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could be human influences at the margins, but the science

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is finally caught up and debunked the hysteria exactly.

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We've got to go to quick break. We've got more

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from Kevin after this. Stay with us.

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Hey, we're back with you. Welcome back, Bill Martinez. Here,

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we're talking with the author of Climate Born journalist Kevin Mooney.

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He explains the upcoming two hundred and fiftieth anniversary of

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America's declaration of Independence gives us an opportunity to reassert

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national sovereignty, at least here in the United States. Right.

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Oh, absolutely, I think one of the great birthday gifts

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Donald Trump is giving to the American people, and you

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know this coming July fourth, celebrating two hundred and fifty

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years of American independance, is getting out of the United

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Nations Paris Agreement and all the other uit agreements to

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go along with it. Now, just think about that for

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a minute. Under those under those treaties, these international bureaucrafts

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were essentially able to impose energy taxes on the American

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people and you know, other Western countries without any kind

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of he say so from their elected officials. Donald Trump's comment,

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I represent Pittsburgh, not Paris. The subject that is, no

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taxation without representation. If you want to tax us, if

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you want an energy tax in the name of client climate.

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Well that had the US sentence, stand up and have

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a straight up and down vote on it. But under

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the Obama administration, they made and run around the units

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in the UN said if they found a way to

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describe the Paris Agreement as something other than the treaty,

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which in fact it really was. So I don't think

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you can overstate the importance of Donald Trump getting out

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of these international agreements.

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You know, and I like what you said earlier that

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what they've done essentially is impinge on our liberty and

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the American people need to understand that that they're forcing

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around peg in a square hole. And and you know,

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It'd be one thing if you could say after doing

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that that there was some positive outcome. But after decades

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and trillions of dollars of wasted money, what don't we

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have to show for it?

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Kevin, Yeah, it's unfortunate because you know, there's an opportunity

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costs here. There are always going to be challenges to humanity,

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but we're going to be in a stronger position to

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handle those challenges for richer, wealthier, and more industrialized, not

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if we dismantle think about it for a minute, that

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the people who survive severe weather conditions are the people

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who have resources exactly. I don't think the fossil fuel

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industry gets enough credit for people in richer, wealthier societies

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being being able to endure these extreme weather conditions, which

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by the way, are purely natural. They're not more severe

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or more more frequent than they've been in the past,

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But we just have more infrastructure in areas where these

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where these incidents occur.

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You know, you touched on a big thing that the

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left has used repeatedly that there's man made influence, it's

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man's fault. Where's the indication that it's man's fault.

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Well, the attack on carbon dioxide. For example, CO two

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is an attack on humanity itself. I mean, we don't

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live without CO two. CO two is a naturally occurring substance.

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So it's another way of saying that humanity is a

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blight to the planet, when in fact I think merchremdous asset.

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Remember the biblical phrase go forth and multiply. I mean,

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there's nothing more anti Christian, anti religious in the contemporary

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climate movement.

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You know.

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Well, like I said, yeah, I'm sorry, go ahead.

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Yeah, that's really trying to put its boot on the

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neck of humanity, which is why I think the I

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come at this from a very kind of different direction.

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I think the pro life movement and economic libertarian should

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all join forces in fighting this climate movement. You might

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come at it for slightly different reasons, but like I say,

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ultimately it's about an attack on innocent human life. But

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also it's about assaulting our free market system. So we've

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all got a stake in this from different perspectives.

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Yeah, without a doubt, you're you're exactly right, well said,

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because you know what's hanging in the balance here. I mean,

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if you think not, just take a look at that.

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You know, the country of Iran what they're going through

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right now right as an example.

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For sure, for sure, and you know, hopefully we live

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to see better days. I can see America joining forces

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with hopefully a new new government in Iran that will

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help them lift up that population by making use of

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their rich industrial resources rather than using it to advance

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the nefarious purposes of the current regime. So I hopefully

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we'll live to see better days. And I think energy

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and economic freedom can be a big part of that.

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Well, you think about you know, like you say, the

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two hundred and fiftieth anniversary of America's Declaration. You know,

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since America became a nation, how we've contributed to the

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greater landscape internationally when we've had proper leadership, whether it

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was you know, revolutionizing the West so dramatically and becoming

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a superpower, and what we've done to contribute to the

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betterment of mankind. I mean, you've got to really be blind.

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I know, there's this sentiment, you know, thank you very

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much the sixteen nineteen project than these other you know,

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faux studies that go out there that even people say,

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well that's a bunch of bunk, But you know, we'll

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give them a Nobel Peace price or or a Pulitzer price.

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You know, you know, toss that in like as if

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it's some positive contribution when it's already been rejected, and

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you know there's there's a lack of credibility with that.

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But you know, here it is. I'm hoping that we

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can be more sober minded about this opportunity because as

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we become more sober minded, as you say, there's a

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lot to be gained. No matter what faction, what group

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or category you belong to, This could be win win

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for all concerned. Can it not be?

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Absolutely? And I think once again you've seized on a

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very important point. I think there's a real opportunity here

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to go back and rediscover the ideals of the American

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family period, what makes so unique and distinct, And of

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course that means by definition, rejecting the centralized planning of

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the climate movement and it's anti constitutional impulses. So I

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hope and pray that as a real convergence here. I think,

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let's put it this way. I think there's a real

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opportunity here. Either either we're going to celebrate three hundred

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years of American independence, or we're going to go back

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and allow the globals agenda to consume us. And I

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think it's just sitting right on the edge.

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You say it's an either or choice, and I agree

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01:15:16.079 --> 01:15:19.439
with you. I think it's it's black and white. Uh.

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And what no matter what you what you believe in,

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you got you got to come down to the final

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you know, the final conclusion of what what do you

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01:15:27.520 --> 01:15:30.319
want for this country? And I think that most people

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you know, this country, in this world, and I think

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most people when you have a sober consideration of that

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01:15:38.520 --> 01:15:42.319
end game, I think that we would find more agreement

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than disagreement.

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01:15:45.159 --> 01:15:48.359
No, absolutely, you know, it seems like we're living in

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01:15:48.439 --> 01:15:51.000
very divisive, divisive times. But I also think there's a

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01:15:51.000 --> 01:15:53.079
great rediscovery happening. I think there's a little bit of

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01:15:53.079 --> 01:15:57.039
a religious re bible happening to uh. Either there there

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01:15:57.079 --> 01:16:00.760
there are palpable Christian natural wall rooms to our to

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01:16:00.800 --> 01:16:04.000
our founding period, meaning that that there's a power higher

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01:16:04.000 --> 01:16:07.000
than government. You know us our constitution is set up

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01:16:07.000 --> 01:16:09.239
not to create rights, but to secure pre existing rights,

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01:16:09.239 --> 01:16:12.760
and that's critically important. The United Nations says the absolute reverse.

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01:16:13.279 --> 01:16:14.560
They decide that you know, we're going to be in

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charge of what we give out, and of course what

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they give out they can also take away anytime too.

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So it isn't either a choice. It is black and white.

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We either go one direction or the other.

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Well, and you know, I agree with you, Kevin, And

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01:16:28.800 --> 01:16:33.399
you know, for me, my I guess my foundation is

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01:16:33.960 --> 01:16:36.039
spiritual and I look at it, you know, as you

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said before, you know, you look at the foundation of

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our constitution, rights given to us by God, not by man.

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And uh, you know, God and his faithfulness and his

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01:16:45.920 --> 01:16:50.600
grace and mercy has blessed this nation for a specific purpose.

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01:16:50.920 --> 01:16:53.560
And what we've contributed, you know, not only to the

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citizens of this country, but to the world. I mean,

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01:16:56.920 --> 01:17:00.840
what other country has done this? And it's because I believe,

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01:17:00.920 --> 01:17:04.439
because of the hand of God, I think.

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01:17:04.479 --> 01:17:06.399
So we have to keep asking ourselves, are we in

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his side? Are we in tune with the ideals of

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01:17:08.720 --> 01:17:09.760
our own founding period?

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Right?

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You know?

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And it's today's Democratic Party that I look at is

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01:17:15.319 --> 01:17:17.399
not the Democratic Party that my parents joined, that my

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01:17:17.439 --> 01:17:19.800
grandparents joined. I think, I think we have to be

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01:17:19.840 --> 01:17:22.079
honest and say to ourselves that they really is an

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01:17:22.159 --> 01:17:24.239
enemy from within, that we could be very concerned about

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01:17:24.600 --> 01:17:28.239
an anti constitutional party and anti constitutional movement. The good

1474
01:17:28.239 --> 01:17:33.680
news is I think there's a serious counter movement underway too, And.

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01:17:33.239 --> 01:17:36.119
I think, yeah, I think experience defines preference. You know,

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01:17:36.159 --> 01:17:38.359
it's like, well, how's that working for you? And you

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01:17:38.399 --> 01:17:39.960
get enough bad stuff, you say, hey, I want to

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01:17:40.000 --> 01:17:41.399
get back to the good stuff. I mean it's just

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01:17:41.439 --> 01:17:44.319
like Venezuela. I mean, they have a chance to, you know,

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01:17:44.399 --> 01:17:48.920
reorient their country around hopefully God willing will have you know,

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01:17:48.960 --> 01:17:51.800
the same opportunity in other countries, you know, the same way.

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So you know, we could be living in very unique

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01:17:55.600 --> 01:17:58.319
historic times here, Kevin, and I'm excited about the future

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01:17:58.640 --> 01:18:01.880
and the opportunity that life ahead. But you know, clearly

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01:18:01.920 --> 01:18:03.720
I see it. The way I see it is that,

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01:18:04.399 --> 01:18:07.479
you know, we need to acknowledge that, you know, this

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is God's popcorn stand, not ours, and if we do

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01:18:09.840 --> 01:18:13.359
those things that are consistent with Godly principles, then I

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think we'll get godly results.

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01:18:16.199 --> 01:18:18.399
I think that's very well said. And like I say,

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I think there's some incremental movements back in that direction.

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01:18:20.760 --> 01:18:22.880
But we're involved, we're involved in a real battle here.

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01:18:22.880 --> 01:18:25.640
The globalists have a tremendous amount of money, an organization

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01:18:26.079 --> 01:18:28.760
the modern climate movement gets all kinds of foreign funding

1495
01:18:28.800 --> 01:18:30.439
that's coming into this country to try to shut down

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01:18:30.439 --> 01:18:32.680
our energy industry. Like I say, I think there's been

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01:18:32.720 --> 01:18:35.479
an awakening to it, but it's a real battle, and

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01:18:35.560 --> 01:18:37.600
I think prayer is in order, you know. I think

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01:18:37.640 --> 01:18:38.680
we're right in the thick of.

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It, Amen, and the pursuit of truth, because that that

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is what it's all balanced on. Just like you said,

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it's an either or choice. It's either a truth or

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a lie.

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Right.

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Yeah, No, there's no there's no prayer areas, there's knowing between,

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there's no ambiguity. But I'd like to think there's a

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01:18:54.239 --> 01:18:56.079
real chance we're going to be swinging back closer to

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what this country is founded to be, and I see

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01:18:58.600 --> 01:19:00.000
some hopeful signs that that's happening.

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I'm with you. Kevin Mooney, thank you so much for

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coming on. He's the author of climate Porn, the journalist

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who is, like the rest of us, getting ready to

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celebrate our two hundred and fiftieth anniversary of America's declaration

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where there is renewal and revival for the benefit of

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all concerned.

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Kevin Mooney, Yes, I hope so, and I think so,

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and it always comes down to younger generations. Hopefully this

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will take this opportunity to really learn about the decoration

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Hey, welcome back to America. Bill Martinez here along with

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Jeff camp the speaker and Bible teacher and men Huddling

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Ministry and all that good stuff. And you know, we

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just always appreciate this time I get to have with you, Jeff,

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so thank you for coming on.

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Thank hey, Bill.

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We have great conversations about the things that matter, you know,

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the stuff and our.

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Soul, right amen, Well, you know, and this is such

1606
01:24:07.720 --> 01:24:10.039
a great time to you know, speaking of our soul

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01:24:10.560 --> 01:24:14.560
in washing it and empty and out because because of lent.

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You know what we do during the Lenten season in

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01:24:17.880 --> 01:24:21.800
terms of abstinence and discipline, and you know, giving of

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01:24:21.880 --> 01:24:25.479
alms and having this penance. This idea of penance, and

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this idea also that has been recurring in my heart

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01:24:29.319 --> 01:24:33.880
over the last several weeks during this penitentiary season, has

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01:24:33.920 --> 01:24:37.600
been that Lord empty me, Lord fill me, Lord use me,

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01:24:38.439 --> 01:24:42.279
and this idea of being emptied. And you know, you

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01:24:42.319 --> 01:24:45.119
imagine it's just God comes in and just cleans you

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01:24:45.239 --> 01:24:49.319
out and gets all that stuff that gets in the

1617
01:24:49.359 --> 01:24:53.239
way of a true connection with Him, because we can't

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01:24:53.279 --> 01:24:57.680
connect with Him by holding on to any kind of worthless,

1619
01:24:57.880 --> 01:25:01.840
mortal aspects of our humanity, can we?

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01:25:01.840 --> 01:25:04.640
Well, if you think of ourselves as the temple of God,

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01:25:05.399 --> 01:25:09.199
which is what God explains to us, are I think

1622
01:25:09.239 --> 01:25:12.960
it's First Corinthians chapter six is don't you realize you

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01:25:13.039 --> 01:25:18.720
are the temple of God to dwell in? And it

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says that you were bought with a price, and so

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give your life to him.

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He owns you right.

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Well, if this temple is filled up with a bunch

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of cardboard boxes and a bunch of old magazines, and

1629
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a bunch of broken treadmills that I had years ago

1630
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that don't work anymore, and you know, boxes of cereal

1631
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that are twenty years old, and a bunch of old TVs.

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And a bunch of junk.

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Yes, and this thing is filled up with a bunch

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of stuff that isn't pointing to God and listening to God,

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01:26:00.479 --> 01:26:05.199
then this temple won't be fueled and controlled by God's

1636
01:26:05.239 --> 01:26:08.199
holy Spirit like he'd like to. So, I mean, that's

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what confession is. That's what repentance is. Turned from the

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way you were going, I'm in charge. I'm gonna do

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01:26:15.239 --> 01:26:17.039
it my way. Oh God, Yeah, help me a little

1640
01:26:17.039 --> 01:26:20.960
bit here, cover from me here, God, But I'm telling charge,

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01:26:21.560 --> 01:26:25.000
that's what repentance and confession are all about.

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And then fasting.

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You mentioned fasting and denying yourself something for a while,

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but ultimately what you're doing is saying I want to

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open up and empty this temple so God's spirit can

1646
01:26:37.439 --> 01:26:39.520
have one hundred percent of the space in there. And

1647
01:26:39.560 --> 01:26:43.079
the good thing is God doesn't judge us and a

1648
01:26:43.199 --> 01:26:45.520
frown or smile based on how well we do this.

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01:26:45.840 --> 01:26:49.039
He's already given us credit for christ righteousness. He's just like,

1650
01:26:49.079 --> 01:26:51.479
will you please receive all the gifts I've given you?

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Will you please receive Jesus dwelling in you, which is

1652
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much better than just a bunch of carnal Jeff stuff.

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So I think that's what you keep bring us back

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to bill It and lents. Just emptying yourself of excessive

1655
01:27:04.800 --> 01:27:12.880
earthly demands, excessive earthly controls, excessive earthly worries, any goals

1656
01:27:13.000 --> 01:27:15.880
higher than God, any content that's not as pure and

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01:27:15.920 --> 01:27:18.720
good as what you find in the Bible. And then

1658
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there's room for God to fill us, and then we

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can be those temples of God's Holy spirit.

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Yeah, then he can use us, you know, so empty me,

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01:27:27.560 --> 01:27:32.000
fill me, use me. And and the things that like

1662
01:27:32.039 --> 01:27:34.800
you're talking about here, Jeff, is the things of this

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world will perish. I mean they're not going to go

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with us. I mean when it's over, you know, like

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they say, nobody has a U haul behind the hearst right,

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and so it's it's a situation you you. This is

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what I love about lent because it causes you to

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think on those noble and righteous things and how you're aligning,

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01:27:58.560 --> 01:28:02.319
you know, as uh pastor said here recently, and I

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01:28:02.359 --> 01:28:08.199
love this idea, says, well, you you have Jesus, you

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01:28:08.239 --> 01:28:13.640
get Jesus, but what after Jesus. And I thought about that,

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I go, that's an excellent point because when you read

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the Bible, you always see these people who would come

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01:28:18.359 --> 01:28:20.479
to Jesus, and you know, some of them would say, hey,

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I still I want to be in your ministry. I

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01:28:22.079 --> 01:28:24.880
want to follow you. And he'd say, no, go go back,

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01:28:24.920 --> 01:28:26.640
and you know, go to your people and tell them

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01:28:26.640 --> 01:28:29.880
how good God has been been with you. But but

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he'd also say, and whenever he did, like the woman

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who was caught in adultery, he says, who's here to,

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you know.

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To convict you? Who condemned you?

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01:28:39.600 --> 01:28:44.079
Right? And nobody? Okay, well, by the way, just you

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01:28:44.119 --> 01:28:46.279
know I'm not I'm not going to condemn you either,

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01:28:46.800 --> 01:28:49.600
but stop sinning. Okay, let's no more of this sin stuff.

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01:28:49.760 --> 01:28:54.000
So you can't do that in and of yourself without Jesus.

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01:28:54.760 --> 01:29:00.800
So after after Jesus, then it's with Jesus. Like in

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the Book of John talks about you know, Jesus being

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01:29:03.960 --> 01:29:06.960
the vine, and we're the branches. And he calls us

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01:29:07.000 --> 01:29:09.600
to abide in him, And why do we want to

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abide in him? So not only that we bear good fruit,

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01:29:12.880 --> 01:29:14.600
but those things that are in our heart, to do

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01:29:14.760 --> 01:29:16.720
the things that Paul says, the things I want to do,

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01:29:16.760 --> 01:29:18.720
I don't, the things I don't I do, you know,

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01:29:19.000 --> 01:29:21.119
but we want to be try and be consistent, and

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you can't do it without abiding and staying connected with Jesus.

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That's the after part, right.

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Yeah.

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The attitude of humility reminds you that all good gifts

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01:29:33.840 --> 01:29:38.399
come from God. And as Jesus said, only God is good,

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01:29:38.479 --> 01:29:41.960
none of us humans are right. And he said in

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that passage, well, I mean it was quoted in the

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Book of John.

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I'm the vine. You're the branches.

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If you abide me, if you focus on me, if

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you dwell on me, if you depend on me, and

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if you connect to me in dialogue all the time

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you want to receive your life and God it is

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from me, then you'll bear much fruit, which means love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, faithfulness, gentleness,

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01:30:07.520 --> 01:30:09.600
and whatever you do, you'll do with excellences and you'll

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glorify God with it instead of yourself, so it won't

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mess you up because pride won't come and corrupt it.

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Then it says, he said, but apart from me, you

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can do.

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Nothing, nothing.

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That lasts, nothing that works, nothing that unites people, nothing

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01:30:25.159 --> 01:30:28.560
that glorifies God, nothing that goes with you into heaven

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01:30:28.920 --> 01:30:33.880
right into eternity. So this accurate view that I really

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can't do anything without God that counts.

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01:30:38.640 --> 01:30:41.000
And Paul said, I can handle all things.

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I can do all things that are cam called to

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do through Christ, who gives me strength. So that needs

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to be our starting point. I think your appreciation for

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01:30:48.760 --> 01:30:52.399
lent Bill is such that first I need to realize

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01:30:52.479 --> 01:30:56.119
I cannot do it on my own. Receiving Jesus once

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01:30:56.920 --> 01:30:59.960
back in church when I was thirteen or two weeks ago,

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01:31:00.000 --> 01:31:03.119
when I went to church and said, confession or isn't enough.

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It's not even exciting to only have one experience with Jesus.

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It's best to have Him guiding your experience the rest

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01:31:12.239 --> 01:31:15.479
of your life, which is what confession.

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01:31:15.079 --> 01:31:16.680
And repentance and dependence.

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01:31:17.279 --> 01:31:19.560
This attitude that I can't do it apart from you.

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01:31:20.600 --> 01:31:22.239
I heard a great quote. I was in a ment retreat.

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We can have to go and a guy quoted his

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01:31:25.840 --> 01:31:30.239
friend and mentor who said I can't do it. God

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01:31:30.319 --> 01:31:34.079
never said I can. God can do it, and he

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01:31:34.159 --> 01:31:36.880
always said he would. So let's just start right there.

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01:31:36.920 --> 01:31:39.960
I can't do it, he never said I could, so

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01:31:40.000 --> 01:31:42.840
don't be surprised. But God can do it, and he

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01:31:42.840 --> 01:31:44.840
always said he would. So why don't I just connect

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01:31:44.880 --> 01:31:47.359
to him, ask him, depend on him, and try to

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01:31:47.359 --> 01:31:50.720
live in that twenty four to seven relationship of dependence

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01:31:50.760 --> 01:31:53.720
with God, which I think we'd have less.

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01:31:53.560 --> 01:31:57.039
To repent over if.

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01:31:56.359 --> 01:31:58.960
In all the other months and days of the year

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01:31:59.319 --> 01:32:02.399
we had been waiting and listening like Jesus did. He said,

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01:32:02.880 --> 01:32:05.399
I say and do nothing apart from my father. I

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01:32:05.399 --> 01:32:08.479
cannot take any action apart from my father. I always

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do the father's work. That's the same for us, because

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Christ earned that relationship of father daughter of father's son

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01:32:16.199 --> 01:32:20.560
with God. For us, if we've received Christ in his forgiveness,

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I think that's exciting. We get to start listening to

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God and he can guide us well.

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And this is what disciples do. Disciples follow the leader.

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Jesus gave us every example time and time again. And

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I remember the first time I heard that Jeff, that

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I only do what I see my father doing. I thought, wow,

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01:32:41.359 --> 01:32:46.079
I mean think about that, and it causes me pause

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01:32:46.199 --> 01:32:49.359
because I know there are times that I want to

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01:32:49.399 --> 01:32:51.520
go ahead and do it my way, and then I've

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01:32:51.520 --> 01:32:53.920
got it mess to clean up afterwards, and then I'm

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01:32:53.920 --> 01:32:55.319
asking God, Oh God, help me.

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01:32:57.039 --> 01:32:59.960
Let's practically think right now. There's some married people out there.

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You sometimes have your spouse say a snarky thing to

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you or a thing you don't like, and oftentimes we

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respond with a snarky comment. What if we are listening

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to God, I'm only going to say the things that

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the Father tells me to say. There's no way that

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I'm going to come back with a snarky comment. I'm

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01:33:16.479 --> 01:33:21.600
going to return love for just disappointment or frustration or criticism.

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There's so many things in real time that we would

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change if you're just listening to the Father. So how

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about the content you look at when you wake up

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in the morning, is the Father telling you Open up

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your quote smartphone and flip to social media and start

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looking at people criticizing each other on other sides of

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the aisle, and look at some vacations of super rich people.

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And think, I wish I had that, And then look

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at some.

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People wearing bikinis and clothing that isn't going to make

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you think about your spouse.

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01:33:52.439 --> 01:33:53.760
No, he's not going to tell you to that.

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01:33:53.880 --> 01:33:57.279
He's a going to say, leave that phone alone, fall

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01:33:57.359 --> 01:33:59.960
on your knees, thank me for life, open up my box,

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01:34:00.319 --> 01:34:01.760
and I'll tell you how much I love you and

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01:34:01.760 --> 01:34:03.199
what I've done for you. And I'll give you some

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guidance today to put others interests ahead of yourself and

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01:34:06.520 --> 01:34:07.880
not just look out for yourself.

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And I'm going to show you how to reconcile and

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help bring your family back together.

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01:34:11.720 --> 01:34:14.479
And I'm going to show you how to do work excellent,

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but do it to serve me instead of just your boss.

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01:34:17.720 --> 01:34:21.119
And then out with the glory. God's going to tell

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us to do the Jesus thing right, tell us to

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do the worldly thing.

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But we got to be listening, and that means connect

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to him the first minute you wake up and then

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be listening to his dialogue all day long.

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Exactly, praying without ceasing, which is just a communion. We're

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communing with God. You know, He's just he wants us

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to be connected with him. That's that's the bottom line. Jeff,

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Well, good morning America. Good to have you with us.

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Welcome back Bill Martinez here along with Glenn Lutchins from

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Mister Glenn, how.

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You doing, Bill doing wonderful?

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Thank you, Hey, great to have you here. Talk about

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one of our favorite topics, Lord, have mercy. Sometimes you

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want to put body armor when we talk about you know,

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a counselor's tip for wedded financial bliss.

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Huh, Absolutely, bliss is important, especially in that area.

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Yeah, that's that's the objective here is what we're talking

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about here. So we're going to go where you know,

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some might dare to stay away, but not us, because

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look at we see a problem and we want to.

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Get through it right right absolutely, And as you.

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Say, financial problems may not be the top reason couples

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get divorced, but finances do contribute to stress and arguments

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in most marriages.

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Right absolutely, and learning how to navigate those constructively, I

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think really has put a couple on a great, great

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pathway forward.

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Uh you know, and you and I have talked about

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this before. A lot about marriage is I guess you know,

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and call it you can call it rules of engagement.

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Huh yeah, really got to work. We got to work

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this out beforehand. It's tough to kind of work out

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a plan when you're in the middle of being a

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little irritated.

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Right if we go way back before a couple is

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even married, one of the things that I encourage pastors

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and counselors to do is to encourage a couple. Okay,

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next week, I'd like you to bring your credit report

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with you so we can take a look at what

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debts you have. I mean, and because that's the kind

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of thing that you know, a guy or a girl

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is not going to want to ask the other person.

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It feels a bit invasive. But if somebody who's meeting

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with them asks them, I think it becomes a whole

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lot easier to do.

1918
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Well, that's got to be, well, a whole lot easier.

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But still it's a challenge because you know, sometimes what's

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hard to be transparent and they're just something about finances

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that people are very protective about, especially when you've always

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had it your way.

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Right yeah, yeah, no, And you know when people have

1924
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grown up in a home where money has been dealt

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with a particular way. I mean, we've all heard of

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individuals whose parents, let's say, grew up in the Depression

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Great Depression, and that can factor into how they approach

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money together and individually, and so really navigating that well

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is really a key component.

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Well, Glenn, Before you get to that where you bring

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in statements and bank books and all that kind of stuff,

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do you first try to lay out a foundation and say, hey,

1933
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let's just say you two are coming together here, what

1934
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would be the ideal, what would be the best way

1935
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to handle your finances and kind of draw some information

1936
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out of there, so that you kind of have a

1937
01:41:49.760 --> 01:41:52.680
little bit of understanding of the field to play in

1938
01:41:52.760 --> 01:41:56.079
terms of what they have in terms of, you know,

1939
01:41:56.119 --> 01:41:59.079
an idea and a mission and a goal. Is that fair?

1940
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Yeah?

1941
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And I'd say even before there's conversation about it, their

1942
01:42:03.079 --> 01:42:06.279
open eyes, so you're looking at how the other person

1943
01:42:06.359 --> 01:42:10.239
deals with finances. Do they have the best most expensive

1944
01:42:10.279 --> 01:42:13.319
car in the world or not. I laugh a little

1945
01:42:13.359 --> 01:42:16.119
bit because when I was a single man, I had

1946
01:42:16.159 --> 01:42:19.880
an AMC Pacer and my wife, Now this was before

1947
01:42:19.920 --> 01:42:22.560
I met her, so I didn't have the pacer at

1948
01:42:22.560 --> 01:42:26.680
the time, but she was driving a BMW, So we

1949
01:42:26.800 --> 01:42:29.039
kind of kid each other that probably at that time

1950
01:42:29.119 --> 01:42:32.920
we probably would not have clicked per se, but just

1951
01:42:33.079 --> 01:42:36.439
observing each other is an important component. But then I

1952
01:42:36.479 --> 01:42:39.199
think as a couple is dating, as they're getting to

1953
01:42:39.239 --> 01:42:42.239
know each other, there can be conversations. It may be

1954
01:42:42.399 --> 01:42:43.880
you know, what are some of the things that you

1955
01:42:44.000 --> 01:42:48.479
gleaned from your your parents growing up that you really

1956
01:42:48.840 --> 01:42:52.560
appreciate and want to wanta foster moving forward, and what

1957
01:42:52.640 --> 01:42:55.920
might be some things that you don't, And sometimes finances

1958
01:42:55.960 --> 01:42:59.640
can be part of that conversation, either just organically or

1959
01:42:59.720 --> 01:43:02.800
even just ask more specifically, have you had.

1960
01:43:02.720 --> 01:43:06.479
A situation as a marriage and family therapist when you

1961
01:43:06.560 --> 01:43:09.399
talk about money where you know one of them just says, hey,

1962
01:43:09.399 --> 01:43:10.960
I'm out of here, I can't handle it.

1963
01:43:11.840 --> 01:43:14.119
I've never had that where they've just said, you know,

1964
01:43:14.199 --> 01:43:17.760
the relationship is over. But I certainly have seen where

1965
01:43:17.800 --> 01:43:21.199
people are more hesitant to want to talk about it.

1966
01:43:21.239 --> 01:43:23.239
They kind of want to do their own thing. That's

1967
01:43:23.319 --> 01:43:27.319
usually with the person who's more inclined to spend, not

1968
01:43:27.640 --> 01:43:30.239
the person who's more inclined to save. Because the saver

1969
01:43:30.439 --> 01:43:34.079
really wants to have that conversation, they wanted to be discussed,

1970
01:43:34.079 --> 01:43:37.840
but the spender kind of would rather kind of deal

1971
01:43:37.880 --> 01:43:39.880
with it on their own, their own impulse.

1972
01:43:40.560 --> 01:43:44.399
And how do you find that wedded financial blissful sweet

1973
01:43:44.439 --> 01:43:48.920
spot between the two of these dynamic you know ideas.

1974
01:43:49.159 --> 01:43:52.079
I would say, yeah, I would say conversation, setting aside,

1975
01:43:52.119 --> 01:43:56.760
maybe a monthly time to discuss it. You know, have

1976
01:43:57.000 --> 01:44:01.560
a what we would call a spend plan. Take away

1977
01:44:01.600 --> 01:44:05.359
that nasty term the budget. Let's call it a spending

1978
01:44:05.359 --> 01:44:07.880
plan where people, especially the one who's more inclined to

1979
01:44:07.920 --> 01:44:11.079
want to spend, is more on board with that. They're

1980
01:44:11.119 --> 01:44:14.439
on the same page. So having maybe that monthly meeting

1981
01:44:14.479 --> 01:44:16.600
to talk about, Okay, where are we you know, are

1982
01:44:16.640 --> 01:44:18.880
there any unexpected bills that have come in? Do we

1983
01:44:18.920 --> 01:44:22.720
need to make any juggling with regards to the spending

1984
01:44:22.760 --> 01:44:25.239
plan to be able to cover the costs? Are there

1985
01:44:25.279 --> 01:44:28.680
any goals that we have and working towards them? How

1986
01:44:28.760 --> 01:44:31.000
is that coming? So it can be I think a

1987
01:44:31.079 --> 01:44:36.319
constructive meeting. I often encourage parents, if they have children,

1988
01:44:37.319 --> 01:44:39.840
to you know, let their kids know, Hey, we're going

1989
01:44:39.880 --> 01:44:43.560
to spend some time and we're going to be talking together.

1990
01:44:43.680 --> 01:44:46.840
Kids probably know what it's in reference to, or maybe

1991
01:44:46.880 --> 01:44:49.479
hear something about the fact that we're going to be

1992
01:44:49.520 --> 01:44:53.279
talking about finances. But then to make sure that when

1993
01:44:53.319 --> 01:44:57.119
the parents are talking it's not raised voices, because if

1994
01:44:57.960 --> 01:44:59.760
you know, kids know, okay, mom and dad are gonna

1995
01:44:59.760 --> 01:45:02.960
be talking about finances and now the voices are raised,

1996
01:45:03.199 --> 01:45:05.640
that's probably not going to be the best model for

1997
01:45:05.760 --> 01:45:07.960
the kids moving forward in their own lives.

1998
01:45:08.319 --> 01:45:10.520
Yeah, you say, one of the big pitfalls is a

1999
01:45:10.600 --> 01:45:13.880
lack of planning, Right, so you know, you've got to

2000
01:45:13.960 --> 01:45:17.880
lay out, like I said, rules of engagement. Maybe you

2001
01:45:17.920 --> 01:45:20.960
know a plan that you're working and then that way

2002
01:45:21.000 --> 01:45:23.800
you can measure it against this plan. You know, are

2003
01:45:23.800 --> 01:45:26.079
we overspending? Are we on track?

2004
01:45:26.600 --> 01:45:26.800
You know?

2005
01:45:27.039 --> 01:45:29.359
High five? We can all feel good. You know, let's

2006
01:45:29.399 --> 01:45:30.640
take the kids out for ice cream?

2007
01:45:30.720 --> 01:45:31.800
Right right? Yeah.

2008
01:45:31.840 --> 01:45:34.920
That affirmation when we're able to make a goal, I

2009
01:45:34.960 --> 01:45:38.000
think is really crucial because sometimes you know, when there's

2010
01:45:38.079 --> 01:45:41.119
conversation about Okay, what do we spend our money on

2011
01:45:41.800 --> 01:45:45.279
and ultimately realizing that ultimately it's the lord's money, we're

2012
01:45:45.319 --> 01:45:48.600
stewards of it, and so coming together. I think one

2013
01:45:48.640 --> 01:45:51.840
of the important elements of when that meeting takes place,

2014
01:45:51.880 --> 01:45:56.920
as far as let's say, putting out or developing that

2015
01:45:57.079 --> 01:46:01.399
spending plan, is for each person to talk about why

2016
01:46:01.600 --> 01:46:04.920
it's important. Give you an example. Let's say, for instance,

2017
01:46:04.960 --> 01:46:07.399
one person grew up in a home where most of

2018
01:46:07.439 --> 01:46:10.359
the year mom and dad were busy, but vacation time

2019
01:46:10.960 --> 01:46:13.760
kids had mom and dad's attention. Maybe there were certain things.

2020
01:46:13.800 --> 01:46:16.560
Maybe they went to a certain location all the time

2021
01:46:16.960 --> 01:46:20.760
and just really found a sense of connection, a sense

2022
01:46:20.760 --> 01:46:23.960
of belonging, a sense of value from mom and dad

2023
01:46:24.000 --> 01:46:27.399
because now their attention is there. If they're only talking about, Okay,

2024
01:46:27.479 --> 01:46:30.279
let's set aside some money for vacation, but they're not

2025
01:46:30.359 --> 01:46:33.720
talking about their feelings, why it matters, why it's important.

2026
01:46:34.079 --> 01:46:37.000
It's going to miss that very important thing. So maybe

2027
01:46:37.000 --> 01:46:39.279
there's not a lot of money for a big vacation,

2028
01:46:40.000 --> 01:46:42.800
but when one spouse hears how important it was to

2029
01:46:42.880 --> 01:46:46.560
the other growing up, it becomes hey, I want you

2030
01:46:46.640 --> 01:46:50.199
to experience that again, as far as that emotion, that feeling.

2031
01:46:50.399 --> 01:46:51.800
So even though we may not have a lot of

2032
01:46:51.840 --> 01:46:54.159
money to spend on that, let's set aside some money

2033
01:46:54.159 --> 01:46:55.039
to make that happen.

2034
01:46:55.640 --> 01:46:58.319
You know, God always brings, it seems opposites, you know,

2035
01:46:58.359 --> 01:47:01.840
we always hear opposites attract right for balance. So as

2036
01:47:01.880 --> 01:47:04.399
you say you're going to have one of you is

2037
01:47:04.439 --> 01:47:05.920
going to be a saving nerd, the other is going

2038
01:47:06.000 --> 01:47:09.039
to be a spender. And so how do you manage

2039
01:47:09.039 --> 01:47:12.279
those dynamic tensions in such a way to where you're

2040
01:47:12.359 --> 01:47:18.039
serving one another, because you know, otherwise the saving nerd,

2041
01:47:18.119 --> 01:47:22.880
if they're not you know, getting some of their need answered,

2042
01:47:23.319 --> 01:47:26.359
they're going to get frustrated and angry and then you

2043
01:47:26.439 --> 01:47:29.359
got other problems. And conversely, the spender the same way.

2044
01:47:29.479 --> 01:47:31.720
So how do you find that middle ground?

2045
01:47:31.720 --> 01:47:36.760
Glenn, I think an important aspect is to think out loud,

2046
01:47:36.840 --> 01:47:39.880
in one sense, And what I mean by that is

2047
01:47:40.239 --> 01:47:42.960
it's very easy for couples to have. As you mentioned,

2048
01:47:42.960 --> 01:47:45.800
and I totally agree that opposites do tend to attract.

2049
01:47:46.640 --> 01:47:49.760
Each person's coming from their vantage point, and so they

2050
01:47:49.800 --> 01:47:51.840
have their arguments. It's almost like they're in a court

2051
01:47:51.880 --> 01:47:55.119
of law and they're they're putting forward the best reasons

2052
01:47:55.119 --> 01:47:57.560
why we need to save X amount of dollars or

2053
01:47:57.560 --> 01:48:00.000
why we need to spend X amount of dollars on something.

2054
01:48:00.439 --> 01:48:03.479
But if instead they're thinking out loud, so the saverer

2055
01:48:04.039 --> 01:48:07.880
may be talking about why it could be helpful to

2056
01:48:07.920 --> 01:48:10.880
spend money in this area, and also why it could

2057
01:48:10.960 --> 01:48:14.880
be helpful to save money in this area. So they're

2058
01:48:14.920 --> 01:48:17.960
not polarizing. They're not each digging in their own heels

2059
01:48:18.000 --> 01:48:21.279
trying to get their way. They're really listening to the

2060
01:48:21.359 --> 01:48:24.319
other person, and each one is trying to be as

2061
01:48:24.359 --> 01:48:27.760
balanced as they can, because otherwise what will often happen

2062
01:48:27.840 --> 01:48:30.760
is that tendency to polarize. So the more one person

2063
01:48:30.840 --> 01:48:33.119
becomes a saverer, the more the other person wants to

2064
01:48:33.399 --> 01:48:36.079
counterbalance that and become more of a spender. The more

2065
01:48:36.079 --> 01:48:37.760
they do that, the other one wants to become even

2066
01:48:37.800 --> 01:48:41.079
more of a saver, So you get that divide that

2067
01:48:41.079 --> 01:48:43.079
can happen, and that can create a lot of tension.

2068
01:48:43.600 --> 01:48:46.640
What about those couples that say, well, we answered the problem,

2069
01:48:46.680 --> 01:48:47.880
we just have separate accounts.

2070
01:48:48.279 --> 01:48:51.800
Yeah, well, there are times, and I've seen it in

2071
01:48:51.800 --> 01:48:54.880
my own private practice, where people in a sense have

2072
01:48:54.960 --> 01:48:58.880
an easier time deciding that. But the question is do

2073
01:48:58.960 --> 01:49:00.560
you want to be roommates? Do you want to be

2074
01:49:00.600 --> 01:49:03.720
a couple that's married? And you can be roommates by

2075
01:49:03.840 --> 01:49:06.680
just kind of dividing things out, But it's really not

2076
01:49:06.840 --> 01:49:10.119
what God intended marriage to be. God intended marriage to

2077
01:49:10.199 --> 01:49:14.319
be that sense of oneness. Malachi two point fifteen says,

2078
01:49:14.359 --> 01:49:17.359
has not the Lord made them one in flesh and spirit.

2079
01:49:17.720 --> 01:49:21.000
They are His, so that oneness and it can create

2080
01:49:21.000 --> 01:49:23.319
a little bit more of a challenge. But when you

2081
01:49:23.439 --> 01:49:26.279
do that, when the mountain is hired to climb, the

2082
01:49:26.399 --> 01:49:28.560
joy and the delight is stronger.

2083
01:49:29.159 --> 01:49:33.560
Yeah, I hear you. What about teaching our kids about finances?

2084
01:49:33.840 --> 01:49:35.720
We touched on that just a moment ago. What do

2085
01:49:35.720 --> 01:49:37.199
you recommend We got about a minute.

2086
01:49:37.039 --> 01:49:40.720
Left, Okay, I would say have three three jars when

2087
01:49:40.800 --> 01:49:45.159
kids are really young, have three jars one I'll rename it. It

2088
01:49:45.159 --> 01:49:47.880
usually is meant as giving, but I'll do it as

2089
01:49:47.920 --> 01:49:51.079
an s serving. So when the money that I'm going

2090
01:49:51.119 --> 01:49:54.479
to serve, I'm going to sacrifice, what's money I want

2091
01:49:54.520 --> 01:49:57.079
to spend, What's money I want to save? And when

2092
01:49:57.079 --> 01:49:59.520
they can put it in each of those three jars

2093
01:50:00.039 --> 01:50:04.960
and then pursue use it in that constructive way, I

2094
01:50:04.960 --> 01:50:07.840
think it sends Again it's a goal that a child

2095
01:50:07.920 --> 01:50:10.720
is able to see and if they see their parents

2096
01:50:11.039 --> 01:50:15.000
living within their means, that becomes an extremely important message

2097
01:50:15.000 --> 01:50:15.479
to model.

2098
01:50:16.079 --> 01:50:17.399
I love that. That's a great idea.

2099
01:50:17.520 --> 01:50:18.640
Three jars.

2100
01:50:18.720 --> 01:50:22.239
You know that they can separate and you know, and

2101
01:50:22.319 --> 01:50:26.439
cover these important areas of our faith and along the way,

2102
01:50:26.600 --> 01:50:30.079
you know, learn some financial discipline. It's a great idea, Glenn. Well,

2103
01:50:30.079 --> 01:50:31.760
how can the people be in touch with you? Glenn?

2104
01:50:32.319 --> 01:50:34.960
They can reach out to us at if they would

2105
01:50:35.039 --> 01:50:37.560
like to speak to a counselor get an initial consultation,

2106
01:50:38.079 --> 01:50:41.000
call one eight hundred the letter A and then Family

2107
01:50:41.039 --> 01:50:44.600
one eight hundred A family, or they can go to

2108
01:50:44.640 --> 01:50:47.359
our website, Focus on Thefamily dot com. We have a

2109
01:50:47.359 --> 01:50:50.760
lot of resources. One book that we have in our

2110
01:50:51.079 --> 01:50:55.079
online library is First comes Love, Then Comes Money by

2111
01:50:55.119 --> 01:50:58.159
Scott and Bethany Palmer, so there are a lot of

2112
01:50:58.159 --> 01:50:59.439
good resources available.

2113
01:51:00.000 --> 01:51:02.239
He's a licensed marriage and family therapists with focus on

2114
01:51:02.279 --> 01:51:04.760
the family. Glenn Legends has been with us. Glenn, thank

2115
01:51:04.800 --> 01:51:06.279
you so much, God speed my friend.

2116
01:51:06.439 --> 01:51:07.680
Thank you Bill great to be with me.

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