Jan. 30, 2026

The Bill Martinez Show 01 30 26

The Bill Martinez Show 01 30 26
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The Bill Martinez Show 01 30 26
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Are you ready?

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Yeah, Okay, let's do it.

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Ill Martinez Live a program about current events, our culture,

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our values, our politics, and our future.

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And now Bill Martinez.

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Well glad you could join us. Bill Martinez here with

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John Hart from Open the Books. It's time to uh,

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you know, for the whole truth and nothing. But John Hart,

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what are you saying?

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That's right? Yeah, you know, we'd like to focus on

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two things, truth and transparency. And I think I think

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this country, Bill is starving and hungry for an evidence based,

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reality based conversation. And as I often say, is let's

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open the books together and find out what's true. Let's

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find out who's right. You know, bring your best argument,

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but we've got to agree about what is actually happening

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so we can make citizens can make good decisions. You know.

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We exist to empower citizens to hold government accountable because

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it's ultimately it's not it's not the government's money, it's

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our money, it's your money, and we need to we're

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trying to facilitate and encourage good, good citizens engagement.

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Well exactly, it's critical. I mean, this is the government

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of for by we the people. You take we the

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people out, and you don't have you know, federalism, you

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don't have a government that reflects the constitution. A couple

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of years ago, John Otb said we're on the brink

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of a transparency revolution, and that has been the case,

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I mean over particularly the last couple of years. I think,

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certainly all the great work you guys have been doing

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for two decades plus now and Elon Musk coming on

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the scene, all the reveals that are happening. You know,

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you see what's going on in Minnesota, and you know

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everything that your gut has told you was could possibly be.

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It seems more and more that it's got to be

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a duck because it looks like, talks like and smells like.

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Right, that's right, yeah, yeah, And it's it's important, you know,

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let's let's try to start out a hopeful though, because

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there's a lot you know, there's a lot of ways.

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There's a lot of fraud, there's a lot of inefficiency,

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and people are right to be shocked at, outrage and angry.

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And I think that that Unsettleness Bill is a good

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thing in your spirit to hold on to. And it's

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just how do we take that sense that something's not

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right and make sure that we make things as right

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as we can. And that's again, that's what we're trying

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to do by making making the spending transparent. So but

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let's let's look back. So when you so twenty as

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we've talked about before, twenty years ago, Tom Coburn and

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Barack Obama very different senators. I was working for Coburn.

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You know, we worked together to put all federal spending

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online for the first time. And if we could put

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our brains in a world don't have to remember twenty

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years ago pretty clearly, the Google search engine was a

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big new thing, right. It was, oh my gosh, all

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of a sudden, I grew up as a kid reading

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encyclopedias and just and just the fact that in encyclopedia

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could be online was mind blowing, exactly. And that's so

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that was early kind of Internet. And then we realized, gosh,

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if we could put government spending online, that will create

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an ecosystem of groups and individuals who will do better

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oversight thing Congress, and that really has happened. So when

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you go online today, Bill and you look at it's

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not just open the books. You know, we're the flagship

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transparency organization. There are literally thousands of accounts on platforms

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like x that get all of their data from USA spending.

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So a lot of the debates we've had this year

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about oh my gosh, why is a grant going to

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this entity in California that's funding that's really creating a

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magnet for illegal immigration, or not spending housing money correctly,

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or Minnesota. You know, US is spending captures a lot,

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doesn't capture all of it. We'll get we'll get to

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the gap. There's a lot of gaps. But and then

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we see what's happened since then. This year there were

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real cuts. You know, we stopped subsidizing you know, PBS

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for instance. And I'm actually a big supporter of the arts.

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You know, I've got all my guitars.

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I love creating exactly.

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God created us to be creative people. But I happen

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to believe that I don't deserve a subsidy for my

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guitar collection. You know, I should be able to buy

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my own guitars. It's not your job to buy my guitars.

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It's my job, you know. And and that's and that's

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and that's how we ought to think about creativity. So,

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but that one issue in particular was the focus of

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oversight and transparency for years. And this I just the

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metaphor I use is transparency cuts through government like water

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cuts through stone. The flow can seem mundane and unremarkable,

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but when that flow of water finds a crack, it

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can wipe away mighty, mighty walls of opposition. And that

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is how that's what the founders envisioned when they put

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transparency into the constitution. Transparency is a first principle of

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representative government and making sure that that that we the

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people are in the driver's seat, that we're the bus drivers.

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The center of gravity is with us. And that's a

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that's that's been been demonstrated, you know, this year. But

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but but but needs to be needs to be strengthened.

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Well. Step one is so important. First of all, you've

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got to identify the problem, right and so if you're

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not transparent and you haven't identified the problem, then everything

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you like, all these politicians and even recently in the Hill,

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we heard somebody that you would have thought would have

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been pretty smart. I mean she was a doctor and everything.

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You know, they talk in terms. Well, John, you really

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don't understand because there's a lot of nuance here. No, No,

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there's not nuance. It either it either is or it isn't.

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It's only nuance so that you can skirt accountability.

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Right right, Yeah, and that's and so let's talk about

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the Minnesota example for instance. That's great, it's a great

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so you know, most of you, if you haven't seen

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watched the nix S early video, watch it. And it's

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got millions of views and deservedly so it's a beautiful

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example of citizen journalism and this kind of crowdsource oversight

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that we've been talking about and facilitating for years. And

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if you so, what we're trying to do is we're

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both we're adding to that investigation. So we're we've just

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published you can go our sub stack. You know, all

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of the money flowing to daycares all over the country.

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Just we're starting with the ten most populous states. But

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when you think when you when you read about the

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fact checking of on Nick Shirley, there's very little substance.

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It's all they're accusing him of being too political or

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his you know, his one of his sources ran for

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public office. He didn't disclose that. It's well I don't

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I don't care who ran for what office. I care

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about to your point, what is real? What is true?

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Are these centers, the quote leering center, the learning dropping in?

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Is that really or not? Are there kids involved?

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Are is?

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Do they have anyone anyone actually using these programs or

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is it just a fraudulent scheme? And and I think

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in Minnesota a lot of it is pure fraud. And

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so we're going to be following that up and retracing

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his steps, but also looking all over the country. And

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it's out of course, all of your listeners go to

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our sub stack if you live in any of these

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big states. You know we've published lists. So go go

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knock on doors, go go call call the entityuation would.

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Go do some citizen journalism, like we'll pay you, but

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we'll pay you as a contributor to to write pieces

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and publish it.

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And that's that's again, that's the beauty of what technology

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can do. Is that is that there's we don't have

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to wait on the main court mainstream media to do

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it for us. We you know we can we can

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do it ourselves. And and your show is a part

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of that.

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Well, clearly the mainstream media has checked out, I mean, uh,

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professional journalism at the level when you and I were

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growing up. Uh, it's lost its way. Uh and uh,

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it's really violating what our founding fathers expected out of

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out of a free and independent press in terms of

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holding our government accountable. I mean, they had to be

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embarrassed that somebody like Nick Shirley can come out and

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expose something like this. And boy, I'll tell you did

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he hit the mother load? Because like you said, when

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you pull that thread, you're saying, well, it's Minneapolis today,

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but how many other states are running a similar scam?

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Yeah, yeah, exactly, Yeah, And I think and one of

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the things that's really unfortunate about this the whole digital revolution,

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you know, and the dawn of the Internet is as

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significant as when the printing press came on six hundred

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years ago. So it's a massive technological change. And we've

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seen the decline of investigative journalism, not just nationally but locally.

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That's one of the that's one of the great tragedies

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really that we've seen unfold is that you don't have

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the local newspaper, you don't have the local beat reporter

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to who's able to go and work and beat Nick

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surely to the punch. And so part we're actually we're

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actually working to reconstitute that too. There are other foundations,

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other entities that are trying to revitalize and rebuild local

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journalism and sort of this non agenda based where let's

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just get give people the facts, give people the transparent information,

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and trust people to use their brain. Trust them. You

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don't have to keep them over the head or come

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with this. You have an ax to grind. Just make

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the data available and trust the electorate to make good

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decisions about where they want their money going. But they've

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got to have the information right exactly.

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Yeah, we're talking with John Hart, the CEO of openbooks

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dot com and you know, kind of doing a review

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here a little bit and then we're going to talk

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about what's going forward and what we can expect in

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this coming year. But as we started out talking about

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this transparency revolution that's been taking place here and in

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this information age. So it's it's amazing John, how all

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these tools are being utilized and how it really is

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empowering the people. And I think it's scaring that and

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rightfully so the traditional politicians who've been able to get

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away with this, because one of the big questions recently

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I've been posing to economists time and again is saying

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here we are thirty eight trillion dollars in debt, how

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much of that debt is tied to voter fraud and electioneering?

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And they said probably all of it.

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Yeah, yeah, well look it's yeah, there's there's an incredible

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amount amount of fraud in the government. And you know,

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we've got to look at all all of our all

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of our systems, and so that's that's certainly one of them.

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And uh, you know, just to to kind of to

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kind of close the loop on the On the Minnesota example,

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there are one or there are a couple of things

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that really went wrong that are unique to Minnesota that

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we don't want to see duplicated. One is that the

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Biden administration issued a ruling where they they tagged funding

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to quote enrollment numbers, not actual attendance. And so what

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that did is to incentivize people to just have fake

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enrollment numbers right to get to get money. And and

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that's that's one of these things that's relatively easy to correct.

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But then the second thing Minnesota did that was that

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was not smart, is they got rid of their their

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treasurer office. So I'm also I'm in the board of

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a group called the State Financial Officers Foundation. I want

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to do to the CEO of that group. My friend

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oj Alaka did a great oup ed in the Wall

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Street Journal describing how Minnesota was a penny wise and

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a pound foolish because they eliminated their state Treasurer office,

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and the purpose of that office is to make sure

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things like this happened, to have an internal check and

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we work open the book's works, you know, handing glove

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with a lot of treasures around the country to help

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them publicize their data, to make sure that they have

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the right systems in place. We did pioneering work with

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you know, Josh Mandel and Ohio years ago, and and

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they've they've really we've we've they've followed our lead in

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terms of setting the standard of putting government spending online.

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So Minnesota did a couple of things really bad that

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that hopefully will not be replicated. But but I think

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fraud the big picture point I'll leave you with on

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Minnesota is fraud is a feature. It's not a bug

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in our system. In other words, fraud this isn't just

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one anomaly that happened in Minnesota. Yes, there were unique

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things about it, but but we When you have a

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government that has really set up to reward perverse incentives,

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you're going to see all kinds of misbehavior. And that's

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that's why again, we need to go back to the

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founders and have a twenty first century federalism, which is

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really go back to the numera enumerated powers. Instead of

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having four hundred agencies, let's have four and maybe.

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accountable to the voters. Uh. The other thing too, Uh

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not big surprise here that Biden would do this, because

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it's it reminds me of what Barack Obama did with Obamacare.

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It wasn't about providing healthy it was just about a number.

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And so you get what you asked for and the

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people were rewarded for just putting people on the dole

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whether they were legit or not, and or legal or not.

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And one of the things the highlights of kind of

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last year is I was able to testify a couple

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of times on the hill. One was the House the

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House Does Committee that we talked about all the federal

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funding that goes to furnish vacant buildings. That was that

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was a funny ring. You know, millions of dollars going

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to paintings and conference tables and solar powered picnic tables

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and all these things. But that I estified before the

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Senate a Small Business Committee on fraud within the small

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business sector. And one of the things we see over

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and over again is that the best way to make

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something expensive is for government to make it affordable. So

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you see when you have governments, whatever government subsidizes, it

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gets more expensive. And to your commacare. That's one of

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the biggest expenses for small businesses is all of the

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healthcare costs have gone way way up because the government

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has gotten between the purchaser of healthcare and the product

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of the doctor. Government is really the middleman, and it's

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encouraged health insurance companies to be the middleman between the

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patient and the doctor.

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Yeah, and like you said, this is an exception. I mean,

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this is a feature of government intrusion. Whether we're talking well,

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let's go ahead and subsidize electric vehicles. We're going to

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give the consumer seven thousand dollars to go out and

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buy an electrical vehicle. So what did the dealers do?

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You know, they said, well, you can't have all that money,

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so they got their price, so it was a windfall

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profit for these dealers. I mean, that's it's just.

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Right, same, same principle, right exactly.

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So you know, they've got this system down, so wherever

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the government money goes, well, then they're going to find

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a way to capture it. Uh. And it's you know,

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part human nature. And like you said, it's a feature

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of the system. So that means the system is broken.

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So is there any interest on Capitol Hill to fix it?

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Yeah, there's there's a Yeah, I think you know, the

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Minnesota case bill I think is uh encouraging. It's it's

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it's obviously discouraging case. It's shocking and terrible, but it's

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one of these rare moments that's a galvanizing moment. And

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we remember the early days days of the Tea Party.

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We were trying to foment and encourage a citizen led

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kind of revolt against big government. And that succeeded and

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we actually moved the needle. We got we got a

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number of forms devere marks for a decade, we cut

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spending in real terms for the first time since the

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end of the Korean War. And this, this Minnesota case

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feels has that feel of the start of something very encouraging,

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the start of something promising, where people are fed up

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and they're but they're fed up in a very constructive way.

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It isn't it isn't just burn, burn, burn the country down.

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It's hey, how do we renovate? And that's really what's

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strong what's so wonderful about our American experiment is our

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American revolution was not realistic. The French Revolution was neolistic exactly,

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and ours is about, hey, let's continually reimagine, rebuild, renovate.

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Sometimes you do to get the sledshammer out and knock

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down a wall that never should have been built, to

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get back to the original vision. But but the end

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purpose is about creating something. It's about it isn't about

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tearing things down. It's about creating opportunities for for growth

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and flourishing.

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Well, like you talked, and you reference burning things down.

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Of course, Minnesota is become famous for burning things down

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because it seems to be a deflection, uh, you know,

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of what what we're really dealing with. And so you know,

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our caution to we the people is, hey, keep your

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eye on the ball. Don't get distracted by what the

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media or these other interests are doing. See. But again,

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if you don't know what vision or what the mission

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is and that what you're holding onto, you're going to

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be easily discouraged and dissuaded because there's going to be,

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as there always is, opposition to get this country back

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on track. A lot of politicians over the years have

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talked about, oh, we we need to do a better job.

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But you know, it's just it's just rhetoric. There's no

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substance to it. It's just conversation to get you through

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an election period.

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Sure, sure, yeah, And that's and that's why people just

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have to demand results. And that's we've seen these again,

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but we really have seen changes in pivots where nineteen

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ninety four is for example, you know the Tom Coben

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who I worked for for years, he was a member

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of the class in nineteen ninety four, you know, I

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was still in college, but then worked for him three

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years later and started with him in ninety seven. Brought

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this book Breach of Trust with them, you know twenty

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years ago that he had a great you know, service

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in the Senate, but he had he was a person

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that had a normal career. He coming to Congress is

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really a demotion because he had a very thriving medical practice.

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He was a business owner, believed he was a true

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citizen legislator. And I think there are thousands of Tom

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Coburn's out there, people that have done things in the

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real world. They might be a welder, a teacher, or pastor,

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a carpenter, plumber, you know, somebody that has or a banker,

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whatever field they're in, they have something to contribute. So

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I think the doors, the doors of public service are

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wide open, and more open than people realize, because the

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perception is is that there's an establishment in Washington. It's

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sort of protected, and there is self protection. Comu's protect themselves.

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But at the same time, anyone can run for office

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and win. And whether people love or hate Donald Trump,

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well he certainly proved that anyone who decides to run

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for office can win. And that's an incredible strength of

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our system that's minable to change. That change really can't happen.

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We saw it in nineteen ninety four, and we saw

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it with the big Tea Party election in twenty ten,

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where exactly people saw to your point in allow in Obamacare,

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they we the people figured it out and realized, you know,

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we don't really want our healthcare to go up. And

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of course we didn't see the reforms we wanted out

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of that, but we did see electoral change. And there's

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a lot of you know, we could spend two hours

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on how we need to have better elections, better process,

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but the fact is is that is that we're in

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a better spot than oftentimes we think we are.

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Well. I've maintained the voice of we the people needs

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to be augmented and not throttled down. And that's what happen.

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You know, you mentioned the Tea Party, the Tea Party movement.

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Oh gosh, I'll tell you that. The establishment and everybody

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freak out of that. I mean, you get interference from

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the government. Lowest learner, her shenanigans that she did that.

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I maintained that's still in action to this day. It's

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probably affected I don't know what, at least a dozen

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voting cycles. You think about that, John, It's disenfranchised the

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voter and you can't have that in a true democracy.

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I mean, you got a lot of people on the

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left talking about democracy. My first question is how do

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you define it? I mean, you can't even define a

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woman so let's talk about democracy. Maybe you might be

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able to come up with a good definition for that.

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Right, Well, it's not just the irs scandal or where

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where they where they discriminated against tea part conservative groups.

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In the Biden years, you had d banking and outright censorship,

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and so people should be very, very concerned about ever

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going back to those to those days.

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This vacation offer is so good I'm going to repeat it.

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If you're in your forties, fifties, sixties, even up to

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the eighties, some support of ION in Mexico for sixties

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all meals, include it for only two ninety nine.

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But we're talking with John Hark He's the chief executive

539
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officer Opingbooks dot com. Well, John, you know the American

540
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people have been frustrated. Like you said, they're seeing what's

541
00:29:01.599 --> 00:29:04.960
going on in Minneapolis, and their sensing, i mean, their

542
00:29:05.000 --> 00:29:06.880
gut is telling them that this is just the beginning.

543
00:29:07.160 --> 00:29:08.920
Elon Musk said, Hey, look at I think we could

544
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find a trillion dollars, maybe even more if he got

545
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some cooperation. But boy did they freak out. And you

546
00:29:14.640 --> 00:29:16.799
know that's what happens when you turn the likes on

547
00:29:17.160 --> 00:29:20.000
in corruption. All the cockroaches start scattering, don't they.

548
00:29:20.359 --> 00:29:23.599
Right, that's right, yeah, yeah, and it's it's important. Let's

549
00:29:23.599 --> 00:29:25.519
talk about Doge for a minute, right, because Elon Musk

550
00:29:25.559 --> 00:29:27.480
came in with Doge, and a lot of people are

551
00:29:27.480 --> 00:29:30.240
frustrated that Doge didn't cut more, and I wish they

552
00:29:30.240 --> 00:29:33.720
would have cut more. But but but I would disencourage people.

553
00:29:33.839 --> 00:29:36.400
You can't when there's an effort to try to cut

554
00:29:36.480 --> 00:29:39.000
spending and it doesn't work as well as you think,

555
00:29:39.119 --> 00:29:44.480
you can't give up. And so so Elon the the

556
00:29:44.480 --> 00:29:46.319
way I would describe Elon Musk because it's kind of like,

557
00:29:46.359 --> 00:29:48.079
if you if you're a sports fan, if you remember

558
00:29:48.119 --> 00:29:53.279
Michael Jordan retired from basketball and he played baseball, right, Oh,

559
00:29:53.319 --> 00:29:55.119
Michael Jordan's a brilliant athlete. He's going to be great

560
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at baseball. Well, it turns out he's actually much better

561
00:29:57.200 --> 00:30:00.799
at basketball. And so so Elon Musk. It turned out

562
00:30:00.880 --> 00:30:03.240
he wasn't as good at cutting government spending as I

563
00:30:03.279 --> 00:30:06.240
wanted him to be. But he's still great at creating SpaceX,

564
00:30:06.279 --> 00:30:08.279
he's still great at TESLA. He still has a lot

565
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to contribute to our country, and I think we should

566
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thank him for the effort he put in to try

567
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to reduce the size of the scope of government. But let's

568
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let's learn from what work. Let's build on those lessons

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and and sort of the tech sector. You know when

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people talk about when there's like a startup venture that fails,

571
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that isn't really failure because that failure is teaching that

572
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CEO to do it differently next time. It's teaching everyone

573
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in the field to do it differently. And so so

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in the electorate, these things, same things are true. Like

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we offered with cobur and thousands of amendments that literally

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thousands that failed, but he didn't give up. He'd got Okay, well,

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this this approach didn't work. Let's try a different approach.

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And then we found the bridge to nowhere. We found

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a woodstock museum, we found shrimp on a treadmill, things

580
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that are still talked about years and years later. And

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so that's what I would just sort of say that to

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Musk and people that are mad that Doze didn't do more,

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It's like, well that's you know, just because it doesn't

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it doesn't hit the mark immediately doesn't mean the mark

585
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isn't Because the mark is there, We've got to hit

586
00:31:12.079 --> 00:31:15.039
the mark. Yeah, right, let's build on that. And there's

587
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and there's a lot of findings that they that they

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had that you know, Congress still needs to act on

589
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and members, members are are looking at all these things.

590
00:31:23.559 --> 00:31:25.559
Well, Johnny, you bring up a good point in talking

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about the comparison of Michael Jordan, that is that Michael

592
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Jordan was gifted and wired for basketball more than baseball,

593
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and and Elon Musk by the same comparison is that,

594
00:31:35.799 --> 00:31:38.480
I mean, you're coming into a new venue here altogether

595
00:31:39.000 --> 00:31:42.039
that you know, you don't think like politicians. I mean

596
00:31:42.039 --> 00:31:44.759
you think like a businessman. Donald Trump thinks like a businessman.

597
00:31:44.839 --> 00:31:47.200
Got a problem, fix it? You know, it's a it's

598
00:31:47.200 --> 00:31:48.599
a fifteen minute problem.

599
00:31:48.960 --> 00:31:50.119
Well you got fired?

600
00:31:50.680 --> 00:31:54.440
Yeah, yeah, easy, you know, Capitol Hill. No, that that's

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a you know that that can be an entire campaign

602
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and years long. But meanwhile, you've got all kinds of

603
00:32:00.240 --> 00:32:03.640
wasted money, people are injured in the process. And again

604
00:32:03.920 --> 00:32:07.400
this all yields to you know what you referenced earlier,

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and that's the size of government. It's way too cumbersome

606
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and inefficient.

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Yeah, and I think what we were able to do

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successfully is when you when you when you find a problem,

609
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you have to loiter over the target. Okay, you've got

610
00:32:20.400 --> 00:32:22.720
to You've got to hover over it and have a

611
00:32:22.759 --> 00:32:26.920
combined arms approach air power, land power, sea power until

612
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until the problem was solved. And and we kind of

613
00:32:30.440 --> 00:32:32.960
learned that the hard way. So there are examples of

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like Social Security disability, where billions of dollars were being defrauded.

615
00:32:37.880 --> 00:32:41.119
We identified a few fraudsters. There's a guy named Eric

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con who was who was encouraging people to sign up

617
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fraudulently for Social Security disability. He was getting paid millions

618
00:32:48.359 --> 00:32:52.279
and millions of dollars. But then we identified them sixty minutes,

619
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did a segment, Apple TV did a documentary about them,

620
00:32:55.759 --> 00:32:59.599
and that changed. That saved billions of dollars. But that

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took once and months and months of work. Again loitering

622
00:33:03.319 --> 00:33:05.680
over the target. And this is where Covert is a doctor.

623
00:33:06.279 --> 00:33:08.599
He was able to use that perspective of Okay, well

624
00:33:08.599 --> 00:33:12.039
the disease isn't cured, I'm just symptoms. I want to

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00:33:12.079 --> 00:33:15.319
treat the disease and find the root caause. And and

626
00:33:15.359 --> 00:33:17.279
that's and and sort of the wisdom of we the

627
00:33:17.319 --> 00:33:20.000
people could figure that out. Like people know, they look

628
00:33:20.000 --> 00:33:22.599
at they look at Minnesota and they think, okay, this

629
00:33:22.640 --> 00:33:26.400
is not just happening in Minnesota. That's just absolutely right.

630
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And we're providing the data to help them move that

631
00:33:30.640 --> 00:33:33.160
move those investigations along well.

632
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And like you say, hovering over the target, I mean,

633
00:33:35.039 --> 00:33:38.519
how many other targets did DOSEE expose that you know,

634
00:33:39.119 --> 00:33:42.119
we've gone on to another you know, right, another thing.

635
00:33:42.200 --> 00:33:44.680
You know, maybe there's we need to revisit some of

636
00:33:44.720 --> 00:33:48.440
these areas that doze exposed and say, okay, you know,

637
00:33:48.559 --> 00:33:51.359
like anything Johnny, as you know in business, uh, it's

638
00:33:51.400 --> 00:33:53.599
twenty percent of the problem is going to give you

639
00:33:53.640 --> 00:33:56.200
eighty percent of the yield. So what are the twenty

640
00:33:56.200 --> 00:33:58.960
percent of the problems that we have out there that

641
00:33:59.000 --> 00:34:02.160
we can identify they could make eighty percent difference.

642
00:34:03.160 --> 00:34:05.559
Yeah, that's exactly right. Yeah, I think you know one

643
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a couple of things in particular is you know they

644
00:34:07.359 --> 00:34:15.000
dose talked about all the the the antiquated federal account,

645
00:34:16.760 --> 00:34:19.960
all the retirement records in the mountain up in Pennsylvania. Right,

646
00:34:20.480 --> 00:34:23.360
Fixing things like that can have an enormous impact. But

647
00:34:23.480 --> 00:34:26.880
again that that is such a tedious, time consuming thankless,

648
00:34:27.760 --> 00:34:30.119
but that that kind of work and that kind of

649
00:34:30.320 --> 00:34:32.920
rigor makes a huge difference for taxpayers. And so I

650
00:34:33.320 --> 00:34:36.400
hope that they continue to focus on those. And I know,

651
00:34:36.440 --> 00:34:39.239
I know members of Congress are looking at that, but

652
00:34:39.239 --> 00:34:41.599
but I think like all of your listeners, they listen,

653
00:34:41.719 --> 00:34:44.119
they hear this and think, yeah, absolutely, that makes sense.

654
00:34:44.159 --> 00:34:47.760
It's a no brainer, right, And politicians have to trust

655
00:34:48.079 --> 00:34:50.719
the wisdom of the crowd, in other words, the wisdom

656
00:34:50.719 --> 00:34:54.000
of decent people to realize, hey, this is a tedious task.

657
00:34:54.039 --> 00:34:56.920
It's kind of like, you know, pulling weeds in your garden. Well,

658
00:34:57.039 --> 00:34:59.000
if you really want to make a difference in your garden,

659
00:34:59.400 --> 00:35:01.400
you don't just the flower bed. You have to get

660
00:35:01.440 --> 00:35:05.480
on your hands and knees and exactly and separate you don't.

661
00:35:05.559 --> 00:35:07.840
You don't want to. Everyone has had the experience where

662
00:35:07.840 --> 00:35:10.199
they pull up a weed and they accidentally pull up

663
00:35:10.199 --> 00:35:12.440
your tomato plan. Or it's something you spend all the

664
00:35:12.480 --> 00:35:16.400
time caring for them. That's not experience. But but again,

665
00:35:16.440 --> 00:35:19.599
there's no quick fix, there's no magic answer. It's just people.

666
00:35:20.039 --> 00:35:23.920
People are right to demand and expect officeholders to do

667
00:35:23.960 --> 00:35:26.920
hard work and to be to be tenacious and be

668
00:35:26.960 --> 00:35:27.840
disciplined about it.

669
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But it seems like they're not. John, I mean, the

670
00:35:30.400 --> 00:35:32.960
question that comes to mind here with my audiences, they go,

671
00:35:33.280 --> 00:35:36.599
where's the leadership? I mean, right now, you know, like

672
00:35:36.679 --> 00:35:39.920
him or not? Thank God for Donald Trump. Donald Trump

673
00:35:40.000 --> 00:35:45.119
in many ways is exam sampling leadership and uh and

674
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and he's met with resistance and uh, you know, for

675
00:35:48.800 --> 00:35:51.960
ego's sake, establishment call it what you want, you know,

676
00:35:52.480 --> 00:35:56.480
the Beltway Blues or whatever. You know, they're not quite

677
00:35:56.559 --> 00:35:59.280
catching it and saying look it, you know, right now,

678
00:35:59.440 --> 00:36:02.239
I think we have an opportune time. We're on the verge.

679
00:36:02.280 --> 00:36:04.800
I think Trump is right on and saying we're on

680
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the verge of a true golden age for this country.

681
00:36:08.280 --> 00:36:11.559
And the thing is is the reverberations are going outside

682
00:36:11.559 --> 00:36:14.039
of the country and it is touching the entire planet.

683
00:36:14.119 --> 00:36:17.280
John, mm hmmm, yeah. And I think obuly what we're

684
00:36:17.280 --> 00:36:19.880
seeing in Iran is a good example of that. I

685
00:36:19.920 --> 00:36:23.480
think I think you know, I wouldcourage anyone to go

686
00:36:23.519 --> 00:36:25.639
look at look at all the images of Iran before

687
00:36:25.639 --> 00:36:30.800
the Antolas versus after. Heartbreaking, right and if that, if

688
00:36:30.800 --> 00:36:35.280
that imagined the benefit of that regime falling, what that

689
00:36:35.320 --> 00:36:38.000
would do for our national security budget, what it would

690
00:36:38.039 --> 00:36:42.360
do uh for so many, so many areas that affect

691
00:36:42.639 --> 00:36:43.559
our lives every day.

692
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Yeah, Venezuela, the same thing. I mean, these poor people,

693
00:36:47.039 --> 00:36:49.800
I mean not that long ago, John, three decades ago,

694
00:36:50.239 --> 00:36:53.840
one of the most wealthiest, uh, you know, countries in

695
00:36:53.920 --> 00:36:58.000
the top five certainly, and now I mean inflation through

696
00:36:58.039 --> 00:37:00.119
the roof. I mean we complain at nine percent, they

697
00:37:00.079 --> 00:37:02.599
were at a thousand percent plus and the people, the

698
00:37:02.599 --> 00:37:05.280
poor people were eating out of the back of Maduro's

699
00:37:05.320 --> 00:37:07.079
trash trucks, right right.

700
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It's yeah, it's heartbreaking. And compare that to a country

701
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like Poland. You know, Poland has had explosive growth because

702
00:37:14.480 --> 00:37:18.679
they've embraced free market capitalism. And I've traveled a lot

703
00:37:18.760 --> 00:37:21.920
and it kind of in Eastern Europe and you know,

704
00:37:22.039 --> 00:37:25.559
behind the Iron Curtain again, like we remember that transition,

705
00:37:25.719 --> 00:37:29.880
and it's remarkable to see how some countries have really

706
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flourished and others of struggled. Poland is one that's done.

707
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That's a success story where they were behind the Iron curtain,

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they were under Soviet occupation, and now they've they've embraced

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the principles of freedom and human innovation and natural rights

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and they're doing really, really well. And compare that to Venezuela,

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which again just went with the opposite direction and hopefully

712
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hopefully that situation will will stabilize and go better. But

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again you can't, certainly can't whatever view you have of

714
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Trump's form and policy, see his willingness to take action,

715
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you know is not is not a question, and that

716
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717
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Yeah, without a doubt. You know, you mentioned, you know

718
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what happened in Poland, and uh, you know, great success

719
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record there. But I don't hear a success record coming

720
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from communism or socialism unless I'm missing a headline somewhere.

721
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Yeah, it's it's it's a share shared as Bargart, Thatcher said,

722
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it's shared misery and yeah, and sadly Zora Mondami in

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gonna make another run at at at the warmth of

725
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collectivism as he put it, but uh, but there is

726
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727
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728
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729
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730
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731
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And the problem is is that the winners have enough money.

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They're leaving town, billions of dollars going out the door,

733
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just like in California. And uh, they're already having a

734
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735
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We're talking with John Hart, the CEO of openthethooks dot com. John,

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looking back in twenty twenty five, what would you say

812
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was the biggest accomplishment for Open the Books in exposing,

813
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you know, something that's just so hugely fraudulent.

814
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Yeah, I mean, there are so many to choose from,

815
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and I encourage we have a sub stack up and

816
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people can look at that. There's some some highlights. I think,

817
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you know, we looked at bid near improper payments at

818
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nine hundred and twenty five billion dollars. There's a lot

819
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our progress in scaling that back center to earns from

820
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Ohio or Iowa rather has been has been a great

821
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leader on that. I think I think I would I

822
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would kind of put it a tie at two different things.

823
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I think there's real movement towards an upgrade of USA

824
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spending that's build. I talk about where we put all

825
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government spending online for the first time, and we got

826
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all kinds of pushback and people said, oh, there's no

827
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way the federal agencies will coordinate. That's impossible, it's a

828
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fool's errand but we figured it out and they and

829
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you know, all of that spending is now is now

830
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searchable now. The challenge is it's not going up as

831
00:44:17.239 --> 00:44:20.079
fast as it needs to, and there are big gaps

832
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within states. So our ambition back twenty years ago wasn't

833
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just to pass a law. It was to create a

834
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norm and to really change our political culture to make

835
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it an expectation that, of course government spending should be searchable.

836
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Why what what possible reason would you not have to

837
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search government spending? And so the standard should be real

838
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time transparency and that's our tagline, is our mission. And

839
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opened the books every dim online in real time exactly.

840
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And one of we talked about what could what did

841
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those accomplish? Well, one of the great things they accomplished

842
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is they got access to the Treasury payment system. And

843
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that's the I call that the administrative state, Holy of Holies.

844
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It's where only the goverment of exactly. And really the

845
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Treasury payment system is America's checkbook. It's so Bill, you,

846
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just as you and I have the right to go

847
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to our personal account, we should be able to go

848
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to the Treasury payment system at any time and see

849
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the flow of money. Because that's what it's not the

850
00:45:15.400 --> 00:45:16.599
government's money, it's our money.

851
00:45:16.599 --> 00:45:18.760
It's exactly, it's our personal account.

852
00:45:18.840 --> 00:45:20.719
What possible reason do we have to not see that.

853
00:45:20.880 --> 00:45:23.559
And of course there are legitimate nationality We don't need

854
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to be publishing the address of someone's CIA safe house,

855
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and you know privacy matters, those are national security privacy.

856
00:45:30.719 --> 00:45:36.159
There's that's an easy exception. So Congressman ship Roy introduced

857
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a bill to at least give Congress access to that system.

858
00:45:39.480 --> 00:45:42.079
And Chip is a great leader in Congress who's actually

859
00:45:42.119 --> 00:45:45.000
running for Attorney general now in Texas. But I'm working

860
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with Chip and other other members of the House to

861
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do a stronger version of that bill to create real

862
00:45:50.320 --> 00:45:54.599
time transparency for every American citizen and to make make

863
00:45:54.679 --> 00:45:57.440
that the standard in federal law. And we want to

864
00:45:57.440 --> 00:45:58.960
build on that to do the same thing in all

865
00:45:58.960 --> 00:46:02.199
fifty states. So again one of the issues in Minnesota

866
00:46:02.239 --> 00:46:05.400
is we talked about they got their Treasurer's office, but

867
00:46:05.519 --> 00:46:07.800
we could even have a better solution, which is we

868
00:46:08.239 --> 00:46:10.199
it's good to always have a treasure office because you

869
00:46:10.199 --> 00:46:13.039
need someone on the ground locally who's sniffing around and

870
00:46:13.079 --> 00:46:15.480
making sure there's no games being played. But we need

871
00:46:15.480 --> 00:46:18.280
to dramatically upgrade our transparency laws. So there was real

872
00:46:18.360 --> 00:46:21.679
movement towards that in twenty twenty five, and we would

873
00:46:21.760 --> 00:46:24.840
accelerate that twenty twenty six. That's that's probably if I

874
00:46:24.880 --> 00:46:27.159
would just pick one, that's probably one of the great

875
00:46:27.199 --> 00:46:28.760
advances of this past year.

876
00:46:29.719 --> 00:46:31.639
Do you think that? And maybe you already do this,

877
00:46:31.760 --> 00:46:34.360
And I'm just thinking, you know, off top of my

878
00:46:34.440 --> 00:46:36.599
head that there should be an award for all these

879
00:46:37.800 --> 00:46:40.920
you know, these fraudsters and everything goes out, and I'm

880
00:46:40.960 --> 00:46:45.840
just envisioning a trophy with with the with the shrimp

881
00:46:46.239 --> 00:46:48.000
on a treadmill.

882
00:46:47.599 --> 00:46:49.719
Of shrimp on a treadmill trope.

883
00:46:50.039 --> 00:46:53.320
Sure, yeah, exactly. I mean yeah, from open the books.

884
00:46:53.360 --> 00:46:55.920
I mean, here's the here's the big money wasters of

885
00:46:55.960 --> 00:46:58.719
twenty twenty five or twenty twenty six or something like that,

886
00:46:58.800 --> 00:47:01.360
and you know, and you don't want to be caught

887
00:47:01.400 --> 00:47:03.559
with the you know, the shrimp on a treadmill.

888
00:47:04.199 --> 00:47:05.920
That's a that's a very good idea. I think. I

889
00:47:05.920 --> 00:47:06.880
think we're gonna steal that.

890
00:47:07.039 --> 00:47:11.639
We'll go away. It's I I thought maybe we already

891
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had something like that, But when you were talking, I'm

892
00:47:14.159 --> 00:47:16.760
thinking that would be awesome, you know, the shrimp on

893
00:47:16.840 --> 00:47:19.320
a treadmill trophy. You know you've been awarded. It's like

894
00:47:19.559 --> 00:47:22.320
getting you know, rowan and Martin's fickle finger of fate.

895
00:47:22.679 --> 00:47:25.840
But this would be, uh, you know, one of those

896
00:47:26.320 --> 00:47:28.039
you know, we would laugh about it, we'd laugh. But

897
00:47:28.159 --> 00:47:31.320
it's also a serious issue and help keeping in the

898
00:47:31.320 --> 00:47:34.960
front of everybody's mind the seriousness that you know, this

899
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is the wasting of the people's money, right.

900
00:47:38.639 --> 00:47:41.760
Yeah, absolutely, well, yeah, one award I will highlight for

901
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you just for your audiences. We have a new Adam

902
00:47:44.920 --> 00:47:48.400
an Jevsky Memorial Scholarship Fund, so great. So it's just

903
00:47:48.400 --> 00:47:50.599
just to remind people. So so open the books. You know,

904
00:47:51.719 --> 00:47:54.360
this history is we did the transparency along in two

905
00:47:54.360 --> 00:47:59.039
thousand and six Adam Ianjievsky, wonderful entrepreneur, a public servant

906
00:47:59.199 --> 00:48:03.360
in Illinois. I took that idea and he very wisely

907
00:48:03.400 --> 00:48:06.760
expanded it to capture spending not just at the federal level,

908
00:48:06.760 --> 00:48:09.599
but stay and local. So that's that's how we how

909
00:48:09.639 --> 00:48:13.199
Open the Book started. And Tom Cobra was an original advisor.

910
00:48:13.280 --> 00:48:14.800
I was an advisor of Opening the Books at the

911
00:48:14.880 --> 00:48:18.679
very beginning, and Adam ran the organization wonderfully and tragically

912
00:48:18.800 --> 00:48:20.920
passed away just over a year ago, which we've talked

913
00:48:20.960 --> 00:48:23.360
about a couple times on the show. So that's why

914
00:48:23.400 --> 00:48:25.559
I'm not leading the organization, but we have a new

915
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scholarship fund honoring Adam, honoring citizen journalism, and that's and

916
00:48:30.920 --> 00:48:34.159
it's a very generous twenty five thousand dollars scholarship to

917
00:48:35.079 --> 00:48:39.239
a current college student or someone incoming who demonstrates a

918
00:48:39.280 --> 00:48:43.800
passion for these ideas of transparency and citizen led journalism.

919
00:48:43.920 --> 00:48:46.199
So so that's something just for your listeners to beware.

920
00:48:46.199 --> 00:48:48.719
If you're interested, just you know, go to our website.

921
00:48:48.719 --> 00:48:52.519
There's a section on the Adam and Jefski Scholarship, and

922
00:48:52.840 --> 00:48:54.679
we'd love to tell you more about that.

923
00:48:55.400 --> 00:48:58.320
Yeah, without a doubt. Wow, that's that's a great, great deal.

924
00:48:58.360 --> 00:49:01.119
And plus you know, of course, as you know, John

925
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Adam had been on the show regularly. We had him

926
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on almost on a monthly basis because we just so

927
00:49:07.719 --> 00:49:12.519
believed in what Open the Books was doing. And uh yeah,

928
00:49:12.639 --> 00:49:15.320
it was it was sad when we lost him. And

929
00:49:15.440 --> 00:49:19.480
uh but to his credit, the organization that he had

930
00:49:19.480 --> 00:49:23.159
built was strong enough to carry on and bring you

931
00:49:23.239 --> 00:49:24.559
on as the CEO.

932
00:49:25.360 --> 00:49:27.360
Yeah, thank you. Well, I'm trying to do the best,

933
00:49:27.360 --> 00:49:30.000
the best I can honor honor his legacy because he

934
00:49:30.079 --> 00:49:32.039
was he was doing it, not for his benefit, but

935
00:49:32.079 --> 00:49:35.360
for the benefit of the public. And yeah, we need

936
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more people who understand that the vision is not to

937
00:49:38.239 --> 00:49:41.519
grow government agencies but your agency, you know, and your

938
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and ability to pursue happiness on your terms with your

939
00:49:44.840 --> 00:49:46.760
resources and talents and gifts.

940
00:49:47.239 --> 00:49:49.880
Well, John, as we're coming to the end of this

941
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and I so appreciate the time our audience does as well.

942
00:49:53.960 --> 00:49:56.480
We're so thankful for all the great work that Opened

943
00:49:56.480 --> 00:49:59.960
the Books has done. Uh, what what do you see

944
00:50:00.039 --> 00:50:02.599
in this coming year? What's what is the mission and

945
00:50:02.639 --> 00:50:05.599
the objective for Open the Books in twenty twenty six.

946
00:50:06.440 --> 00:50:08.800
Well, yeah, Bill, thanks for asking. I think one is

947
00:50:08.960 --> 00:50:11.239
back on on the real time transparency. We have a real,

948
00:50:11.440 --> 00:50:16.679
real window of opportunity to advance and dramatically strengthen transparency

949
00:50:16.760 --> 00:50:19.039
laws at all levels of government, federal, state, and local.

950
00:50:19.159 --> 00:50:21.440
So that's that's a key priority. With love your all

951
00:50:21.480 --> 00:50:24.280
of your listeners support you know, tell your tell your

952
00:50:24.400 --> 00:50:29.679
local local officials that demand the same view of your

953
00:50:29.719 --> 00:50:31.719
tax money as you do your own personal bank account.

954
00:50:31.719 --> 00:50:34.480
Because again it's your it's your government money that they're spent.

955
00:50:34.719 --> 00:50:36.679
You have the right to understand what's happening with it.

956
00:50:37.280 --> 00:50:39.039
And then we' we have a number of in depth

957
00:50:39.079 --> 00:50:41.119
investigations we're working on. We're gonna we're going to look

958
00:50:41.159 --> 00:50:44.119
very closely back on that on the affordability theme. We're

959
00:50:44.119 --> 00:50:46.119
going to look at kind of the history of affordability

960
00:50:46.119 --> 00:50:50.719
programs in big areas of the economy like healthcare, education, housing,

961
00:50:51.239 --> 00:50:53.840
and really let people see the flow of money and

962
00:50:53.880 --> 00:50:56.480
then the results, let them come to their own conclusions

963
00:50:56.519 --> 00:50:58.519
about about do they do you want to see more

964
00:50:58.639 --> 00:51:02.119
or less of this? Yeah, we'll take a very close

965
00:51:02.199 --> 00:51:06.480
look at at at all all areas, you know, the

966
00:51:06.639 --> 00:51:10.440
Department of Education, Higher education, uh, you know, spending on

967
00:51:10.519 --> 00:51:14.599
sanctuary cities, how how the the ice effort is going.

968
00:51:14.679 --> 00:51:16.960
There's a lot to kind of look at an unpack

969
00:51:17.039 --> 00:51:20.039
and we're going to provide the numbers and data for

970
00:51:20.119 --> 00:51:21.840
people to make up their own minds about.

971
00:51:22.880 --> 00:51:25.960
John. I'll tell you we're looking forward to that because, uh,

972
00:51:26.599 --> 00:51:30.159
you know, we the people sometimes think that we're becoming

973
00:51:30.239 --> 00:51:33.920
a bit cynical here because the way we see the money,

974
00:51:34.440 --> 00:51:37.960
you know, being utilized, it seems that, you know, especially

975
00:51:37.960 --> 00:51:40.599
with these NGOs, money was going out to these nng

976
00:51:40.760 --> 00:51:44.159
os and then it was coming back into the pockets

977
00:51:44.159 --> 00:51:48.440
of politicians, and this is just exacerbating the fraud and

978
00:51:48.480 --> 00:51:52.960
corruption all the more and the misrepresentation of we the people.

979
00:51:53.519 --> 00:51:56.360
That's right, Yeah, I would just just kind of end

980
00:51:56.400 --> 00:51:58.719
on it again. Back on encouraging note is that when

981
00:51:58.840 --> 00:52:02.119
when we the people get engaged and make their voices heard,

982
00:52:02.199 --> 00:52:07.639
change does happen. Politicians are terrified of technic revolts truly,

983
00:52:08.559 --> 00:52:12.440
and there's and again I want to see an enlightened revolt.

984
00:52:13.119 --> 00:52:14.760
That's why what we're doing is so important, is that

985
00:52:14.760 --> 00:52:18.719
you can't you can't have accountability without visibility. And if you,

986
00:52:18.800 --> 00:52:21.480
if you, if you simply shine a spotlight on these

987
00:52:21.559 --> 00:52:23.800
on these transactions, on these games that get played, like

988
00:52:23.840 --> 00:52:26.559
you just described of you know, taxpay of money going

989
00:52:26.559 --> 00:52:28.679
to an ng O then going back to the politicians

990
00:52:28.760 --> 00:52:32.480
you know friends or their their their own LLC that's

991
00:52:32.559 --> 00:52:34.000
running the contract.

992
00:52:34.639 --> 00:52:34.880
Right.

993
00:52:34.960 --> 00:52:37.880
So the more the more people know that all that's

994
00:52:37.880 --> 00:52:40.599
going to get exposed, the less we see of that.

995
00:52:40.760 --> 00:52:44.639
So sunshine is a powerful deterrent and disinfectant, not just

996
00:52:44.639 --> 00:52:48.400
a disaffect, it's a deterrent. And and we have the

997
00:52:48.400 --> 00:52:50.880
technology and we're also working a lot on on sort

998
00:52:50.920 --> 00:52:54.920
of the next generation AI tech tech tools to help map,

999
00:52:55.239 --> 00:52:59.079
do predictive analytics on government waste and fraud to prevent

1000
00:52:59.079 --> 00:53:02.719
it from happening. And so I'm very excited about what

1001
00:53:02.760 --> 00:53:06.000
the future holds, and we're going to help the best

1002
00:53:06.000 --> 00:53:07.920
way that people are right to be worried about AI

1003
00:53:07.960 --> 00:53:10.280
and a surveillance state. But the best way to stop

1004
00:53:10.280 --> 00:53:13.719
a surveillance state is to create a surveillance citizenry and

1005
00:53:13.760 --> 00:53:18.599
create superintelligent citizens and exactly own these tools and control

1006
00:53:18.679 --> 00:53:22.519
these tools, and not to not to delegate authority to

1007
00:53:22.559 --> 00:53:27.440
some mysterious AI agent, but use that agent to your benefit.

1008
00:53:28.000 --> 00:53:30.000
Let it be like a shovel in your hand or

1009
00:53:30.000 --> 00:53:32.440
a track. Right, that's the future.

1010
00:53:33.320 --> 00:53:37.599
Right. Freedom is with the individual, it's not with the government.

1011
00:53:38.119 --> 00:53:41.119
They're not the ones to give us. That is clearly

1012
00:53:41.159 --> 00:53:45.559
stated in our constitution. It's God given and we must

1013
00:53:45.639 --> 00:53:49.519
exercise in order to maintain a free people and a

1014
00:53:49.599 --> 00:53:54.960
democratic republic, all that our founders had envision for us.

1015
00:53:55.440 --> 00:53:58.400
And you're exactly right, John, I think talking about ending

1016
00:53:58.440 --> 00:54:00.760
up on an ough notte. I mean we shouldn't be

1017
00:54:00.800 --> 00:54:03.440
afraid of AI. I think AI is going to go

1018
00:54:03.599 --> 00:54:06.440
long ways, like all other technologies that come a long way.

1019
00:54:06.519 --> 00:54:08.760
You know, people initially said, oh, well, you know when

1020
00:54:08.760 --> 00:54:11.320
you went from the typewriter to word processing was going

1021
00:54:11.360 --> 00:54:14.079
to replace all these people? What did it do? I

1022
00:54:14.480 --> 00:54:17.880
mean it created whole new industries. So I think we're

1023
00:54:17.920 --> 00:54:21.679
at the early exploratory surges, uh stages of it all,

1024
00:54:22.039 --> 00:54:24.840
and I think good times are ahead, and I think

1025
00:54:24.840 --> 00:54:27.920
it's the time to you know, embrace it, not not

1026
00:54:28.000 --> 00:54:31.079
run away from it, but embrace it and as you say,

1027
00:54:31.239 --> 00:54:32.320
utilize it for good.

1028
00:54:32.480 --> 00:54:35.159
Right, you got it? You got it. Yeah, we call

1029
00:54:35.199 --> 00:54:37.599
it aur AI in the Future of Freedom Initiative, So

1030
00:54:37.679 --> 00:54:39.800
you'll be you'll be hearing more about that this year.

1031
00:54:39.880 --> 00:54:42.920
Well well titled. Well. John Hart, the chief executive officer

1032
00:54:43.000 --> 00:54:45.840
for openthbooks dot Com, thank you, as always so much

1033
00:54:45.880 --> 00:54:47.199
for all the information.

1034
00:54:47.400 --> 00:54:47.599
John.

1035
00:54:47.679 --> 00:54:50.519
Remind everybody of the website they can go to uh

1036
00:54:50.559 --> 00:54:53.679
to hear of and be in front of all the

1037
00:54:54.119 --> 00:54:58.039
knowing because knowledge is power and we need it now

1038
00:54:58.079 --> 00:54:58.639
more than ever.

1039
00:54:59.360 --> 00:55:01.519
Yeah, probably the best starting point is open the Books

1040
00:55:01.559 --> 00:55:03.760
dot substack dot com, or you can just go to

1041
00:55:03.800 --> 00:55:05.760
open the Books dot com and you'll get to the

1042
00:55:05.800 --> 00:55:06.280
right place.

1043
00:55:06.320 --> 00:55:09.400
So John Hart, thank you for being with us. Take care,

1044
00:55:09.519 --> 00:55:09.800
Thank you.

1045
00:55:09.880 --> 00:55:11.000
Bill's a joy for sure.

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Bill Martinez Live.

1068
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Hey, good morning America. Good to have you with us.

1069
00:56:24.719 --> 00:56:27.920
Bill Martinez here, and we've got from ATR Americans for

1070
00:56:28.000 --> 00:56:32.920
Tax Reform. We've got the tax policy director Michael Palaces

1071
00:56:32.920 --> 00:56:35.280
with us. Hey, Mike, good morning to you having new year.

1072
00:56:35.519 --> 00:56:36.679
Good morning, Bill, Hapy, new year.

1073
00:56:37.000 --> 00:56:38.960
Hey, We've got a lot of good stuff to talk about.

1074
00:56:39.039 --> 00:56:43.159
I mean, tax season underway, and uh, maybe the affordable

1075
00:56:43.400 --> 00:56:46.480
portability issue might start to come into clear view with

1076
00:56:46.559 --> 00:56:49.840
some people as they start seeing you know, bigger returns

1077
00:56:49.840 --> 00:56:52.880
than more money from from filing their taxes.

1078
00:56:52.960 --> 00:56:54.519
Right, yeah, exactly.

1079
00:56:54.679 --> 00:56:56.440
I think it's what we're seeing to is good news

1080
00:56:56.519 --> 00:56:59.480
for the economy here as since we've had from tax

1081
00:56:59.519 --> 00:57:03.280
clubs and Congress back in July, you've seen the two

1082
00:57:03.440 --> 00:57:07.480
quarters since then, it seemed really really strong GDP numbers.

1083
00:57:07.880 --> 00:57:10.599
Can you believe those numbers? I mean, that's just awesome.

1084
00:57:10.760 --> 00:57:13.519
And I reminded everybody if you remember Barack Obama said,

1085
00:57:13.679 --> 00:57:16.119
you know when Trump talked about four or five percent GDP,

1086
00:57:16.400 --> 00:57:17.840
he just laughed. He goes, he didn't even know what

1087
00:57:17.920 --> 00:57:19.599
was talking about. He's going to be lucky to hit

1088
00:57:19.639 --> 00:57:22.119
two percent. Well, of course, in his first term, you know,

1089
00:57:22.159 --> 00:57:24.559
he blew those doors out and probably would have done

1090
00:57:24.559 --> 00:57:26.679
so much better had it not been for COVID and

1091
00:57:26.719 --> 00:57:29.239
now here we are, and in the midst of the

1092
00:57:29.280 --> 00:57:35.239
GDP numbers, these accelerated numbers here. You know, this is

1093
00:57:35.800 --> 00:57:37.840
right in the middle of what thirty two days of

1094
00:57:37.880 --> 00:57:38.880
a government shut down.

1095
00:57:39.679 --> 00:57:42.559
Yeah, that's exactly right, which which is always funny, of course,

1096
00:57:42.559 --> 00:57:45.119
because the economy starts taking off while the government shut down.

1097
00:57:45.400 --> 00:57:49.400
I always think is a good visual there. But we're

1098
00:57:49.440 --> 00:57:52.000
having the Atlanta Fed project growth at over five percent

1099
00:57:52.119 --> 00:57:54.639
for the fourth quarter right now, which was just unthinkable

1100
00:57:54.760 --> 00:57:57.880
given a year ago, especially during the Biden years. And

1101
00:57:58.119 --> 00:58:00.320
I think what you're seeing is this flooding of than

1102
00:58:00.400 --> 00:58:03.320
coming in after the tax bill has passed. We have

1103
00:58:03.440 --> 00:58:05.599
these new expensing provisions for businesses.

1104
00:58:05.800 --> 00:58:06.480
They're going to make.

1105
00:58:06.360 --> 00:58:09.280
Workers more productively, to higher wages for workers, and we're

1106
00:58:09.280 --> 00:58:12.440
finally starting to see the affordability issues start to tick

1107
00:58:12.519 --> 00:58:14.679
up for Republicans and President Trump, and I think that

1108
00:58:14.679 --> 00:58:17.400
makes sense. You normally see voters there's usually about a

1109
00:58:17.400 --> 00:58:19.679
three month lag between some of the economic data coming

1110
00:58:19.719 --> 00:58:21.760
in and people are starting to feel it on the street.

1111
00:58:21.840 --> 00:58:23.960
I think that's starting the place where're in. We've seen

1112
00:58:23.960 --> 00:58:26.960
the President's approved ratings in the economy tick up four

1113
00:58:26.960 --> 00:58:28.800
five points just the last few weeks.

1114
00:58:28.840 --> 00:58:32.000
Here right. Well, because the thing is is you've got

1115
00:58:32.159 --> 00:58:35.199
the media's narrative, which is all a bunch of bs, right,

1116
00:58:35.679 --> 00:58:38.840
n ninety six percent out what they report on Trump

1117
00:58:38.920 --> 00:58:42.360
is still again they're consistent that way. It's all negative son,

1118
00:58:42.480 --> 00:58:45.800
you can count on that. So he's fighting those headwinds.

1119
00:58:46.079 --> 00:58:48.159
But the good news for Donald Trump, he's fighting the

1120
00:58:48.159 --> 00:58:51.199
headwinds not with rhetoric but with results. Right.

1121
00:58:51.719 --> 00:58:54.159
Yeah, we've talked about this sport. He can't gaslate people

1122
00:58:54.159 --> 00:58:54.760
on the economy.

1123
00:58:54.760 --> 00:58:57.440
People know their own economic situation, right, And that's why

1124
00:58:57.440 --> 00:59:01.519
we're starting to see these numbers improve because the media

1125
00:59:01.559 --> 00:59:02.920
will not be able to hide it from people. At

1126
00:59:02.920 --> 00:59:04.840
the fact that they're going to have on average one

1127
00:59:04.840 --> 00:59:09.760
thousand dollars tax refund higher than lex tax season, They're

1128
00:59:09.760 --> 00:59:11.760
going to be keeping more of their own money in

1129
00:59:11.800 --> 00:59:15.559
their pocket because of the President Trump Republican policy, and they're.

1130
00:59:15.360 --> 00:59:16.960
Going to notice, and that's great.

1131
00:59:17.000 --> 00:59:19.360
So we expect here on average, people will see a

1132
00:59:19.400 --> 00:59:22.679
thirty eight hundred dollars tax refund that is a thousand

1133
00:59:22.760 --> 00:59:27.440
dollars higher than last season, which is incredible, and that's

1134
00:59:27.480 --> 00:59:30.320
a great thing. That's because of the individual tax cuts.

1135
00:59:30.320 --> 00:59:32.920
We've seen things like no tax on tips, no tax

1136
00:59:32.920 --> 00:59:37.800
on overtime, tax cuts for seniors, lower tax brackets, and

1137
00:59:37.920 --> 00:59:41.239
permanently locking in all that pro growth tax cut policy.

1138
00:59:41.880 --> 00:59:44.679
Yeah, and then on top of that, people are going

1139
00:59:44.719 --> 00:59:47.000
to start, especially in this cold weather, are going to

1140
00:59:47.039 --> 00:59:49.840
cuddle a little bit more, and the cuddling will result

1141
00:59:50.000 --> 00:59:53.639
in an increase in burths and which will give them

1142
00:59:53.639 --> 00:59:58.000
a thousand dollars with the you know, so here you

1143
00:59:58.119 --> 01:00:00.760
got like a three four year window. Hey, to really

1144
01:00:00.800 --> 01:00:03.679
add to the population. We need more babies anyway, So

1145
01:00:03.840 --> 01:00:06.280
let's have more babies. And one thousand dollars you put

1146
01:00:06.280 --> 01:00:08.320
it in their bank account, and they're going to say,

1147
01:00:08.559 --> 01:00:10.920
at the age of eighteen, thank you very much, you know,

1148
01:00:11.039 --> 01:00:13.000
for thinking about me, because I got all this money

1149
01:00:13.000 --> 01:00:15.320
in the bank that I can use for school or

1150
01:00:15.480 --> 01:00:18.199
you know, buy a car, you know, open up a

1151
01:00:18.239 --> 01:00:19.480
business or whatever. Right.

1152
01:00:19.920 --> 01:00:22.440
And I'm really glad that the administration and Republicans are

1153
01:00:22.440 --> 01:00:25.039
starting to highlight these Trump accounts because, as you just said,

1154
01:00:25.280 --> 01:00:26.719
the media is not going to cover it. You got

1155
01:00:26.760 --> 01:00:29.639
to force them to. This is a great idea. This

1156
01:00:29.679 --> 01:00:32.280
is something that Centator Ted cruz let On and came

1157
01:00:32.360 --> 01:00:34.400
up with the framework for and it's a great idea.

1158
01:00:34.440 --> 01:00:36.719
It's a new savings account. It's temporary. I think it's

1159
01:00:36.719 --> 01:00:38.880
something they'll end up making permanent. But as you said,

1160
01:00:39.280 --> 01:00:42.039
thousand dollars starting in like, I think that's the brilliant

1161
01:00:42.039 --> 01:00:44.880
idea here where it's very blunt. The problem with savings

1162
01:00:44.920 --> 01:00:47.400
account is not enough people take advantage of them. So

1163
01:00:47.440 --> 01:00:50.960
if you get one time starting balance, far more likely

1164
01:00:50.960 --> 01:00:52.599
to invest in it, far more likely to see the

1165
01:00:52.639 --> 01:00:56.360
benefits of it. I encourage everyone to go and do this.

1166
01:00:56.400 --> 01:00:58.719
I have my own son born in twenty twenty five.

1167
01:00:58.760 --> 01:01:01.679
He qualifies any it's going to be born between twenty

1168
01:01:01.679 --> 01:01:02.639
twenty five and twenty.

1169
01:01:02.760 --> 01:01:06.000
So you and the wife are high fiving, going all right, yeah.

1170
01:01:06.119 --> 01:01:07.960
You know, very supportive of this provision.

1171
01:01:08.280 --> 01:01:10.760
So that's awesome, that's great. Well, you know the thing is,

1172
01:01:10.840 --> 01:01:14.880
I'm thinking Hallmark, I have a special card this Valentine's Day,

1173
01:01:15.400 --> 01:01:18.119
you know, to that end, right, you know, love is

1174
01:01:18.159 --> 01:01:20.559
in the air, and so is the thousand dollars honey,

1175
01:01:20.679 --> 01:01:22.440
come on, yeah.

1176
01:01:21.880 --> 01:01:25.960
Great and so htr dot org Americans for Taxiforms website.

1177
01:01:26.119 --> 01:01:28.440
We're keeping a track of all of these announcements of

1178
01:01:28.480 --> 01:01:30.480
businesses that are coming out and seeing they're going to

1179
01:01:30.519 --> 01:01:32.400
fund these children's Trump accounts.

1180
01:01:32.440 --> 01:01:35.519
I think it's yeah, Well that's another thing.

1181
01:01:35.559 --> 01:01:38.599
Can you imagine. Can you imagine about employee retention? I mean,

1182
01:01:38.639 --> 01:01:39.920
is that going to make you want to stay with

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the company. Is that going to add value to your

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relationship with the company because they're thinking about not only

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the future, but the future of your children. Oh my goodness.

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I mean, this is is a great deal.

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Yeah, And I think that's the way to think of

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it too, is for workers, this is another additional employer

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provided benefit. Your company can go in give it twenty

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five hundred dollars contribution for C three charitable organizations far

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higher ability to give. You're seeing all these announcements from

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businesses come out, and I think what's great here is

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if you're thinking long term, if we are ever going

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to do anything on entitlements in this country, we're going

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to do anything to get people less dependent on government

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for their retirement.

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This is how you have to start.

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And I think that's why this idea, it's you know,

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four year program right now expires in twenty twenty eight.

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I think it should be made permanent policy. I think

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this is the start of something good. And thank President

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Trump for signing us into law, and Senator Cruz for

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leading on this effort.

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Yeah, I'm like you, I'm hopeful that it would continue.

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I think this is awesome. And last time I checked,

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you know, our birth rate is down. We're not replenishing

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our society, and so this will be the baby boom

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version part do what do you think? No?

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I think so.

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I think that's right what we're doing here, removing government barriers,

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removing tax barriers, making it easier for people to save

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and invest with a lower tax burden from the return

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on that.

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I think this is great policy.

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I think it clearly pro family policy that's going to

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help young families look mine.

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Yeah, exactly, Well, I agree with you. I think it's

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a great move. Well, you know, you mentioned the tariffs

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and how that's contributing to GDP. You know, so we

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got a couple of dynamics. We got the tariffs coming

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in Supreme courts overseeing that. We're just praying that they

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make the right decision. I understand it's a bit of

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a stretch, but you know, meanwhile, Congress is just sitting

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there waiting instead of preemptively giving us decision ahead of

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the Supreme Court. You know, to empower the president to

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do this, because you don't want to get into a

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situation where you're unwinding or causing some sort of confusion

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and you lose momentum with these tariffs.

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Right well, I think you've seen Republicans specifically in the

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House talk a lot about this, the possibility of doing

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a second reconciliation bill to move both more economic policy

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and healthcare policy as well. Here, something Speaker Johns's been

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adamant about. Of course, we have the frustration of a

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very narrow House majority right now, where we have members

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continuing to retire, some not showing up for work, which

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has been a frustration. But I think the Speaker has

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been right about this. Republicans can't just sit on their

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hands until the next election. We have a unique opportunity

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here where we have Republican president, Senate, and House. The

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expectation that they should just sit on their hands do

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nothing for the next year into the election. I think

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that should be unacceptable to conservatives. We want There's no

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shortage of things we need to do that we need

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Washington to address, and I think they need to get

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moving on this. I'd highly encourage them to take up

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a second Reconciliation bill. We saw, you know, how they

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can pass the sweeping reforms in large chunks of the

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President's agenda. And the first bill we want to see more.

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We want to see a second bill.

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Right And the other thing too is the heck with

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a filibuster. Let's just get stuff moving, Let's get it doing.

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You got to make hey, why the sun shines as

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the saying goes, and you know, get these things going

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because whether it's the tariffs and certainly the Fed is

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not doing us any favors. And I think Trump's got

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a big argument there and I want to address that

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when we come back. Mike Pallaz Mike is the American

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Hey, welcome back. Nineteen minutes after the top of the hour,

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Mike Palace is with us the Americans for Tax Reformers

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tax Policy Director. You know, Mike as I was saying, Uh,

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Powell is not doing a whole lot of favors. Uh

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you know, for Trump, and there's contention there. I get that,

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but when you look at what other countries are doing,

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you know, America is decidedly at a disadvantage. I mean clearly,

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and it's all because of Pale and maybe his own

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ego instead of saying, hey, look at the trains moving,

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let's just bring in some more coal and let's burn

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up some coal and get this thing going faster. Right.

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Well, and of course with Pal too, there's always this

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frustration of going back to the bidministration coming out of COVID. Right,

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the monetary policy was absolutely insane. He completely missed the

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story of inflation.

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Yeah.

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I think that alone is enough to justify the president's

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anger with him. Uh, you know, let let alone recent activity.

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But I think it just shows again the ridiculousness of

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the Fed here where we have, you know, what they

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think of themselves as an unaccountable fourth branch of government.

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They can do as it's pleased and set monetary policy

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from a you know, a handful of people.

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Uh.

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I think this is something we need to get congressional

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authority oversight, far more control over. But no, the frustration

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with Powell has been there from the beginning. I think

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the American people who right to be frustrated with him too,

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because he again entirely missed the biggest economic story the

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last five years, which has been the inflation story.

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And he continues to miss that. You're exactly right. And

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the thing is is that this Trump has given him

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a lifeline to in a sense, kind of revive his

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legacy and his career right as the FED chief if

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he just followed Trump's lead. And you know, but he's

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I mean, he followed Biden's lead, right, Biden took him

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down down the road, and look what happened. I mean,

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it puts such a mark against his career and his legacy,

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and he has a chance now to do the right thing.

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I get it. He doesn't like Trump, so what, but

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look at you got to think of this long term,

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but he doesn't. And he's just a political eye is

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what He's proven to be right.

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And the goodness is there is a ticking clock here. Yeah,

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his term's coming up. A thought, I believe, if I'm

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not incorrect about this, he will still be have a chair. Yeah,

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but Trump will have the ability to appoint a new

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FED chair. I think there's lots of floating of who

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that's been but that is only months away, not years away.

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So hopefully we'll get to see a major change here soon.

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Well you imagine, you know, Trump has been touting the

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Golden Age of America, as you mentioned GDP, all this

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stuff coming together, AI development, our energy sector is almost

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at full throttle. Venezuela's oil coming in. You know, wow,

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it looks it looks pretty bright. And if we can

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get all the cylinders going in the right direction, we

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get a new FED chief that understands how the FED

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can play an important role here in terms of monetary policy,

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because it's not like Donald Trump's asking the FED to

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do something goofy here, right, yeah, And I think.

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Really quick you a great point just on energy overall

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right now too, where we've seen the price of gas

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comes significantly down, where we're seasonally adjusted low prices right now,

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which is great for consumers. And if we're making the

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price of gas cheaper and energy overall cheaper, you're lowering

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the cost of everything you're talking about. You know, everything

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in a grocery store gets there by truck, So if

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you're bringing down transportation costs or bringing down grocery prices,

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so I think just the deregulatory efforts. We've seen this

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Trump administration getting in of stupid things like Biden's electric

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vehicle mandate that's going to bring downward pressure on new vehicles.

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And this story of deregulation is another one the media

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doesn't like to focus on. We have to get the

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message out there not But it's not even just the deregulation.

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It's companies knowing that there's not, you know, this Democrat

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administration out there with a bat ready to hit them

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at a moment's notice.

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Right.

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I think it's that change in the.

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Culture coming out of our regulatory system right now is

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what's also driving the growth we're seeing in improving economic situation.

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You know, Mike, you bring up a good point. You

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01:14:03.880 --> 01:14:08.000
allude to the contrast here between the two administrations. I mean,

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01:14:08.199 --> 01:14:11.600
America was in a lot of pain under the Biden administration.

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01:14:12.199 --> 01:14:13.960
You know, yes, there were some people at the top

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01:14:14.079 --> 01:14:17.800
end doing very well, thank you. Okay, they did very

1429
01:14:17.800 --> 01:14:20.720
well probably you know, they claimed that there was more billionaires,

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01:14:21.159 --> 01:14:23.359
but you know what happened to everybody else, the every

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01:14:23.399 --> 01:14:26.840
day American. You know, they basically took their money and

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01:14:26.880 --> 01:14:29.920
gave it to the billionaires. And you know, and it's

1433
01:14:29.920 --> 01:14:33.000
the Democrats are always claiming that Trump is making the

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01:14:33.079 --> 01:14:36.760
wealthy richer and the poorer poorer, and it was at

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01:14:36.800 --> 01:14:40.079
what which is actually a big lie because it was

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Democratic policies that did exactly that. And so here they

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are projecting, they're kind of like projecting, you know, in

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01:14:47.239 --> 01:14:49.920
the wrong season. You know, they needed to be saying that,

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you know, a couple of years back, not right now.

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Trump has been reversing that that trajectory, and we're starting

1441
01:14:57.159 --> 01:15:00.439
to see every day Americans benefit, you know, from this,

1442
01:15:00.600 --> 01:15:02.880
Like you say, just real simple things, just you know,

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01:15:03.079 --> 01:15:05.399
like gasoline and the effect that that has on the

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cost of goods all across the board. And I mean

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I paid this morning. I paid two dollars and forty

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01:15:12.960 --> 01:15:14.680
nine cents a gallon here in Florida.

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Yeah, And I think what you're seeing right now, and

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again you're in Florida government of Republican run red state.

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01:15:21.960 --> 01:15:25.680
We see a real strong contrast on tax specifically and

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01:15:25.720 --> 01:15:29.159
ont affordability overall between what's going on in blue states

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01:15:29.159 --> 01:15:31.960
and what's going on with the Trump administration Republican states.

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01:15:32.279 --> 01:15:35.279
Look at a state like Virginia right now, where Abigail Spanberger,

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01:15:35.640 --> 01:15:39.600
who you know ran as a moderate. I think everybody

1454
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outlet through that tagline and every time they mentioned her name,

1455
01:15:42.319 --> 01:15:45.800
Moderate Abigail Spamburger. She walks into office and now Democrats

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01:15:45.840 --> 01:15:48.560
there are talking about every tax increase under the sun,

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01:15:49.199 --> 01:15:52.680
to increasing tax on an investment, to talking about a

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01:15:52.720 --> 01:15:55.560
new rate is highest state rate as low as high

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01:15:55.560 --> 01:15:58.159
as thirteen percent. This is not what she campaigned done.

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01:15:58.159 --> 01:16:00.880
But the second Democrats get into office, we see that

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01:16:00.880 --> 01:16:04.640
they've reached the tax hike lever. Immediately you're seeing blue

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01:16:04.680 --> 01:16:07.720
states across the country. We're having this wealth tax discussion again,

1463
01:16:08.760 --> 01:16:12.960
and it's just insanity. And you contrast that with the deregulation,

1464
01:16:13.560 --> 01:16:17.439
lower tax policy coming out of the Trump administration, and

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01:16:17.520 --> 01:16:19.960
we're starting to see this economic growth. And I think

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01:16:20.000 --> 01:16:22.960
for voters it's the clearest contrast you could have. There's

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01:16:23.039 --> 01:16:26.840
high tax Democrat run states versus what we're seeing coming

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01:16:26.840 --> 01:16:27.800
out of Trump administration.

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01:16:27.880 --> 01:16:30.159
Can you imagine the U haul trucks coming out of

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01:16:30.199 --> 01:16:34.439
New York and Virginia. It's gonna be a race to

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01:16:34.560 --> 01:16:38.840
get out of those Democratic controlled blue states and head

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01:16:38.880 --> 01:16:39.920
for red country to.

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01:16:40.920 --> 01:16:42.399
I think you'll have more neighbors in Florida.

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01:16:42.399 --> 01:16:45.600
So then yeah, well, hey, you're welcome as long as

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01:16:45.640 --> 01:16:50.239
you leave your your political philosophy that helped promote these

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01:16:50.239 --> 01:16:53.600
democratic policies that chase you out of town. Don't bring

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01:16:53.680 --> 01:16:56.119
them down here. We don't need we don't need that.

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01:16:56.199 --> 01:16:58.079
You know, this is a free country. We believe in

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the Constitution, we hold to it, and we're grateful for

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01:17:02.000 --> 01:17:06.479
all the patriots that paid, as you know, a serious price.

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01:17:06.520 --> 01:17:09.239
I mean, over a million patriots gave up their lives

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for freedom, and so we cherish it here in Florida,

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as other states around the country do as well. So

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you know, we're grateful for that. So the other thing

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01:17:17.760 --> 01:17:19.720
I wanted to talk to you about is of course,

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01:17:19.800 --> 01:17:21.920
this threat, and we're back to the looming threat of

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01:17:21.920 --> 01:17:24.159
the Democrats wanting to shut down the government.

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01:17:25.520 --> 01:17:27.680
Yeah, and again we talk about this all the time.

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When Democrats see a crisis, they view as an opportunity.

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01:17:31.000 --> 01:17:35.239
So here we have the you know, Democrats increasingly just

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calling for lawlessness in Minnesota, and now they're going to

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use this as a levers point to try and shut

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down the government unless they get their defund ice agenda passed.

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01:17:44.479 --> 01:17:47.840
You know, it's just again playing politics. You're taking a

1495
01:17:47.880 --> 01:17:52.439
controversial shooting. You see it as leverage on legislation, and

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01:17:52.479 --> 01:17:54.840
this is something that Democrats. This is done in dusted.

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01:17:54.880 --> 01:17:57.399
They were all ready to sign going into the weekend

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01:17:57.439 --> 01:18:02.159
here and now we have another last minute hostile negotiation

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01:18:02.199 --> 01:18:05.399
where they're trying to take hostages and we're sitting back

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waiting to see if we're going to shut the government

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01:18:07.119 --> 01:18:07.640
down again.

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01:18:08.279 --> 01:18:11.319
Yeah, but how can you how can you defund something

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01:18:11.359 --> 01:18:14.920
that's already been funded? You know, you can't, you can't.

1504
01:18:14.920 --> 01:18:17.520
It's already there, you can't take it away. And so

1505
01:18:17.680 --> 01:18:21.479
all you're talking about is funding what from to twenty

1506
01:18:21.520 --> 01:18:24.319
thirty up, you know, twenty thirty and beyond. Right now

1507
01:18:24.319 --> 01:18:28.640
they're funded through twenty twenty nine. And then number one,

1508
01:18:28.720 --> 01:18:31.520
number two is we've already gone through that stupid mantra

1509
01:18:31.600 --> 01:18:34.439
brought to you from Minnesota. They were the ones that's

1510
01:18:34.520 --> 01:18:37.279
championed the defund police deal. Well, how did that work

1511
01:18:37.319 --> 01:18:40.159
for you? How many blue cities and states are in

1512
01:18:40.199 --> 01:18:43.640
trouble trying to find men in blue who'll come and

1513
01:18:43.680 --> 01:18:44.239
work for them.

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01:18:45.800 --> 01:18:48.000
And that's what and people should remember too that Republicans

1515
01:18:48.000 --> 01:18:50.880
force President Biden's hand and Democrats have voted for increased

1516
01:18:50.880 --> 01:18:54.439
funding to DHS, just as in the last few years here.

1517
01:18:54.760 --> 01:18:56.960
So the idea that they're just using this is another

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01:18:57.039 --> 01:19:00.600
leverage point threatening a government shutdown. I think it shows

1519
01:19:00.640 --> 01:19:03.000
one that they're not serious to the American people in

1520
01:19:03.079 --> 01:19:07.399
two that they're willing to shut down the government play

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01:19:07.439 --> 01:19:11.600
politics here in a dangerous situation, always taking the temperature

1522
01:19:12.399 --> 01:19:16.960
higher in a controversial situation. When responsible politicians and we're

1523
01:19:17.000 --> 01:19:19.079
seeing President Trump through this right now where he's reaching

1524
01:19:19.119 --> 01:19:21.960
out and he's talking to the Minnesota Governor Tim Waltz

1525
01:19:22.920 --> 01:19:25.159
trying to lower the temperature. He's being responsible one in

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01:19:25.199 --> 01:19:27.880
the room, the adult in the room. It's Democrats who

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01:19:27.920 --> 01:19:30.319
are threatening a shutdown over something that they agree to

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01:19:30.479 --> 01:19:31.159
just last week.

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01:19:32.520 --> 01:19:36.760
Well, you know, like you said, any they're so desperate

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01:19:37.039 --> 01:19:40.319
that any kind of crisis they can grab onto desperately.

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01:19:40.640 --> 01:19:43.800
And that's what's clear. I mean, this party is desperate,

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01:19:43.840 --> 01:19:45.680
and that's what we need to be careful of, because

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when people get desperate, they really do desperate things. We

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Hey, welcome back America. Bill Martinez. Here for more information

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on the show. Bill Martinez Live dot com. Got a

1613
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real treat for you. We're going to talk about a

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new series. It's not like that that is premiering with

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two episodes, and actually it just premiered right the first time, Yeah,

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the first episode and this is on Wonder Project subscription

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on Prime video and subsequent episodes. How many? How many

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more episodes we got in.

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There'll be six more episodes, each one dropping every Sunday.

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So episode three drops this Sunday. We're very excited for

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folks to watch it.

1622
01:24:40.920 --> 01:24:44.880
Well, we're blessed to have the show creators themselves, Ian

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01:24:45.359 --> 01:24:48.640
Dytman and christ And Robinson did I say your last name.

1624
01:24:48.520 --> 01:24:52.359
Correctly, Idytchman. It's okay, that was pretty close. I have

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so much worse I've had.

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01:24:55.439 --> 01:24:58.640
Well, it's important because you know, like sometimes people will

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refer to me as Martin as my mother used to

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drive my mother nuts, you know. But it's okay, it's

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01:25:03.840 --> 01:25:06.119
all right. So Ian and Kristen are with us right

1630
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now to tell us all about it. Kristen, give us

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a breakdown. Go ahead.

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Oh gosh, this is a family drama that's really from

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01:25:13.800 --> 01:25:17.359
the heart about all the messy goodness that comes with

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01:25:17.600 --> 01:25:23.119
the challenges that families face, and very specifically in our case, uh,

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01:25:23.239 --> 01:25:26.000
sort of the loss, the loss of a mom, grief

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with one family, divorced with another. And yeah, it's uh,

1637
01:25:30.039 --> 01:25:32.560
you'll laugh, you'll cry, hopefully you'll see a little of

1638
01:25:32.600 --> 01:25:33.239
yourself in it.

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Sorry, Scott Foley and uh.

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01:25:39.680 --> 01:25:43.119
And and uh I let's talk about the player, you know, Malcolm.

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01:25:43.199 --> 01:25:46.039
Let's talk about Malcolm the pastor right, I mean he's key, right, go.

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Ahead, Well, I mean he's you know, when we drop

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into the pilot, it's been about nine months or so

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01:25:52.600 --> 01:25:56.239
since his wife passed away, and he is just now

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he's taken a sabbatical from the church and he's a

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about to go back, and he and Laurie, who is.

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Was his wife's best.

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Friend, have kind of been helping each other, kind of

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leaning on each other, raising, you know, helping each other

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parent over the last few months, you know, last several months,

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and certainly over the last summer, and the kids are

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going back to school, he's going back to the church,

1653
01:26:22.960 --> 01:26:26.640
and they're starting to catch feelings for each other, and

1654
01:26:26.920 --> 01:26:30.159
the question is like, are those feelings real? Are they not?

1655
01:26:30.319 --> 01:26:32.439
Do I feel about LORI is it right for me

1656
01:26:32.479 --> 01:26:35.439
to feel these things about my my wife's best friend?

1657
01:26:35.560 --> 01:26:39.159
Like what are those about? It's not like that. That's

1658
01:26:39.279 --> 01:26:43.199
kind of where where that launches. And I think for Malcolm,

1659
01:26:44.159 --> 01:26:48.760
he's someone who's really had his rock taken away, which

1660
01:26:48.920 --> 01:26:52.920
was Jenny, his wife, right, And so you know, stepping

1661
01:26:52.960 --> 01:26:56.920
back into the role as a faith leader is something

1662
01:26:56.920 --> 01:27:00.560
he thinks he's ready for, but maybe isn't quite four

1663
01:27:01.560 --> 01:27:04.399
And that's one of the questions. One of the storylines

1664
01:27:04.399 --> 01:27:08.640
in the pilot is him struggling to write his sermon

1665
01:27:08.720 --> 01:27:12.319
for that Sunday because he's still kind of adrift, he's

1666
01:27:12.319 --> 01:27:13.960
still in grief.

1667
01:27:15.000 --> 01:27:20.640
And Christian Laurie brings in an interesting dynamic herself. I

1668
01:27:20.680 --> 01:27:24.880
mean she's freshly divorced and she has two teens, right, Yes.

1669
01:27:24.680 --> 01:27:27.680
She has two teen daughters herself. And she also is

1670
01:27:28.039 --> 01:27:31.399
very close to all of Malcolm's kids because she made

1671
01:27:31.439 --> 01:27:34.199
a promise to Laurie that she would look out for them.

1672
01:27:34.800 --> 01:27:36.479
I mean, she made a promise to Jenny rather, that

1673
01:27:36.560 --> 01:27:40.560
she would look out for them. So she is struggling

1674
01:27:40.600 --> 01:27:46.119
with motherhood and she's on her own face journey and

1675
01:27:46.199 --> 01:27:48.920
trying to see what it means to be single again.

1676
01:27:49.000 --> 01:27:54.479
And yeah, well and you know this kind of scenario

1677
01:27:55.119 --> 01:27:59.520
in is it's not unique where you have a widow

1678
01:27:59.640 --> 01:28:03.800
and family and you got kids, and he'd be nice

1679
01:28:03.800 --> 01:28:06.000
to have some help. And you know, he's he's talking

1680
01:28:06.000 --> 01:28:08.600
about being a pastor, so he's got you know, biblical

1681
01:28:08.640 --> 01:28:11.199
issues to deal with and how do you align those?

1682
01:28:11.279 --> 01:28:15.319
And uh, you know, and here's my wife's best friend

1683
01:28:15.640 --> 01:28:18.840
and wow, there's a lot a lot to deal with here.

1684
01:28:19.399 --> 01:28:22.159
That's well, we hope. So that's what we looked, right,

1685
01:28:22.399 --> 01:28:25.680
And you know, the more we did kind of research

1686
01:28:25.720 --> 01:28:30.760
and talk to pastors in particular, it was so important

1687
01:28:30.760 --> 01:28:34.560
for us to show kind of a three dimensional picture

1688
01:28:34.880 --> 01:28:38.319
a portrait of Malcolm as a pastor, which is which

1689
01:28:38.359 --> 01:28:40.199
is not just him in the church, but also that

1690
01:28:40.600 --> 01:28:43.439
he's a man and you know, he's not going to

1691
01:28:43.479 --> 01:28:45.640
always make the right choice. He's going to make mistakes,

1692
01:28:45.720 --> 01:28:48.199
just like we all do. And we felt like that's

1693
01:28:48.239 --> 01:28:51.199
something that you don't really see, we've never really seen

1694
01:28:51.239 --> 01:28:55.359
on television before, but was had so much value in

1695
01:28:55.359 --> 01:28:59.520
in kind of playing that and and kind of humanizing

1696
01:28:59.640 --> 01:29:06.159
seeing the humanistic portrayal. And you know, we've these kinds

1697
01:29:06.159 --> 01:29:08.800
of issues are things we've all been through. Everybody has

1698
01:29:09.079 --> 01:29:12.439
fallen in love with someone, everybody is had friends fall away,

1699
01:29:12.479 --> 01:29:16.800
everybody has lost someone. And so whether you're you know,

1700
01:29:16.920 --> 01:29:19.840
wherever you are on your your faith journey or whoever

1701
01:29:19.880 --> 01:29:24.159
you are, these are these are emotional things we've all

1702
01:29:24.520 --> 01:29:26.720
dealt with and do deal with and we'll deal with.

1703
01:29:27.000 --> 01:29:30.880
So that's that's where we think it's it will hopefully

1704
01:29:30.920 --> 01:29:32.279
speak to everybody.

1705
01:29:32.000 --> 01:29:35.560
Well, and I think it does. Christian, you know, Mike

1706
01:29:35.600 --> 01:29:38.000
Ian was just saying, I mean, this is a modern

1707
01:29:38.039 --> 01:29:42.880
family drama centered on connection, second chances, navigating life after

1708
01:29:43.000 --> 01:29:47.000
major transit. Who hasn't gone through something like that, right, right.

1709
01:29:46.840 --> 01:29:49.960
That's right? And who and we all need someone to

1710
01:29:50.039 --> 01:29:52.560
lean on, and even those of us who are trying

1711
01:29:52.600 --> 01:29:56.760
to put our best foot forward make mistakes and and

1712
01:29:57.000 --> 01:30:00.840
you know, redirect and yeah, it's a messy goodness.

1713
01:30:01.079 --> 01:30:05.000
Yeah, I'll just add that it's also funny. Like that's

1714
01:30:05.079 --> 01:30:08.800
the thing is that is that it's we love to

1715
01:30:08.800 --> 01:30:13.000
write characters that have senses of humor because you know,

1716
01:30:14.000 --> 01:30:17.640
I was heartbroken when my father passed away, but I

1717
01:30:17.680 --> 01:30:20.439
also left so hard on that day with family members,

1718
01:30:20.479 --> 01:30:23.800
and it's it's all such a mix, you know, And

1719
01:30:23.880 --> 01:30:29.960
so we love writing scenes where the characters kind of

1720
01:30:30.000 --> 01:30:34.439
slalom between, even within a conversation, between something that's funny

1721
01:30:34.600 --> 01:30:37.640
and something that's you know, more emotional.

1722
01:30:38.680 --> 01:30:40.399
Well, Christian, what's just like for you? I mean you

1723
01:30:40.439 --> 01:30:42.920
and Ian both are part of the creative team writers,

1724
01:30:42.920 --> 01:30:46.000
as you were saying, to be able to get something

1725
01:30:46.239 --> 01:30:49.960
like this, I mean, wow, this is incredible. The breath

1726
01:30:50.000 --> 01:30:52.239
of opportunity is a writer to have, right.

1727
01:30:54.239 --> 01:30:57.640
And we talk a lot about how shows like this

1728
01:30:59.079 --> 01:31:01.680
there aren't its many of them as there used to

1729
01:31:01.760 --> 01:31:04.960
be once upon a time, and being able to partner

1730
01:31:05.000 --> 01:31:08.760
with Wonder Project and have them really embrace a family drama,

1731
01:31:09.399 --> 01:31:13.239
smaller stories about the complexities of family life. Has been

1732
01:31:13.560 --> 01:31:16.399
a dream come true and it's the perfect home for

1733
01:31:16.479 --> 01:31:17.079
our show, and.

1734
01:31:19.720 --> 01:31:21.159
It's been it's been a dream.

1735
01:31:21.239 --> 01:31:21.840
Yeah.

1736
01:31:21.920 --> 01:31:24.760
And so yeah, we've always been fans of shows. We

1737
01:31:24.760 --> 01:31:27.119
were on Parenthood, but those are our favorite kinds of

1738
01:31:27.159 --> 01:31:29.920
shows and they're doing far between. So if you are

1739
01:31:30.039 --> 01:31:33.199
enjoying it's not like that, please watch and tell other

1740
01:31:33.239 --> 01:31:35.560
people that. The only way we'll get a second season

1741
01:31:35.640 --> 01:31:38.680
is if people watch, because yeah, these are tough ones

1742
01:31:38.720 --> 01:31:39.319
to get going.

1743
01:31:39.840 --> 01:31:42.319
And how many episodes are planned for this season?

1744
01:31:42.920 --> 01:31:43.760
Eight episodes?

1745
01:31:44.159 --> 01:31:46.680
Eight and so you've got to what two in the can,

1746
01:31:46.720 --> 01:31:48.800
as they say, right now, two.

1747
01:31:48.600 --> 01:31:49.840
Are up right now?

1748
01:31:50.479 --> 01:31:54.680
Then every other every Sunday a new episode will drop, right.

1749
01:31:54.760 --> 01:31:58.079
That's great, Yeah, because January twenty fifth was the premiere

1750
01:31:58.119 --> 01:32:03.159
and you dropped two on the twenty fifth, so it'll

1751
01:32:03.199 --> 01:32:05.359
be a slight binge to catch up, right.

1752
01:32:05.960 --> 01:32:06.199
Yeah.

1753
01:32:06.199 --> 01:32:06.760
That's good though.

1754
01:32:06.760 --> 01:32:11.159
But they're also written, yeah, yeah, they're written to be

1755
01:32:11.239 --> 01:32:15.640
able to you know, one story pushes into one episode

1756
01:32:15.640 --> 01:32:16.560
pushes into the next.

1757
01:32:16.880 --> 01:32:19.000
That's great. Well, you know, like you say, this is

1758
01:32:19.720 --> 01:32:22.439
really kind of a modern family story, isn't it.

1759
01:32:22.800 --> 01:32:27.640
Yes, yes, yeah, yeah, modern and timeless at the same time,

1760
01:32:27.800 --> 01:32:30.359
you know, we've all in terms of raising children.

1761
01:32:30.000 --> 01:32:34.199
And yeah, right, and and what do you hope the

1762
01:32:34.279 --> 01:32:35.880
viewer to pull out of the sea in?

1763
01:32:37.119 --> 01:32:40.560
I mean, I think we both hope that viewers just

1764
01:32:40.640 --> 01:32:42.760
fall in love with these characters. I mean these kinds

1765
01:32:42.800 --> 01:32:48.520
of shows. That's really you know, that's what you hope for.

1766
01:32:48.640 --> 01:32:50.880
And we you know, we got on Parenthood season five,

1767
01:32:51.039 --> 01:32:53.760
we were already in love with all of those characters.

1768
01:32:53.439 --> 01:32:54.600
From the first four seasons.

1769
01:32:54.800 --> 01:32:57.680
Yes, and so you know, we hope people tune in

1770
01:32:57.720 --> 01:33:02.239
and just really to take these characters and these stories

1771
01:33:02.239 --> 01:33:04.199
into their hearts. You know, we think they will. We

1772
01:33:04.239 --> 01:33:05.840
think there's a lot there for them.

1773
01:33:06.039 --> 01:33:08.279
Well, christ And I think that that's that's absolutely key.

1774
01:33:08.359 --> 01:33:12.359
Is that. Uh, it's emotionally engaging, right. I don't think

1775
01:33:12.359 --> 01:33:15.399
you can watch it and disconnect and and and not really,

1776
01:33:15.760 --> 01:33:18.079
I just I think it just pulls in. It doesn't

1777
01:33:18.079 --> 01:33:19.600
give you a choice.

1778
01:33:19.800 --> 01:33:23.840
I think, Well, good, We hope people laugh and cry

1779
01:33:23.920 --> 01:33:25.800
and come back for more and more.

1780
01:33:26.199 --> 01:33:29.600
Yeah, and understanding and you're you're not laughing and crying alone,

1781
01:33:29.680 --> 01:33:31.359
right exactly.

1782
01:33:31.439 --> 01:33:33.119
Well, that's exactly the bill.

1783
01:33:33.199 --> 01:33:35.560
That's a great way to put it. No, it's it's

1784
01:33:35.279 --> 01:33:38.880
the share. We're all on this big journey together, right,

1785
01:33:39.000 --> 01:33:41.279
we can all a little love and kindness.

1786
01:33:42.039 --> 01:33:45.840
Well, I again remind everybody how they can view It's

1787
01:33:45.840 --> 01:33:46.359
not like that.

1788
01:33:46.720 --> 01:33:48.880
I I want to be really specific. So it's on

1789
01:33:49.039 --> 01:33:53.640
Wonder Project on Amazon Prime uh Prime Video. And the

1790
01:33:53.680 --> 01:33:55.039
way you find it is if you go to the

1791
01:33:55.039 --> 01:33:58.279
homepage of Amazon up at the top right, there's a

1792
01:33:58.319 --> 01:34:00.840
thing that says Wonder Project. Click on that and you'll see.

1793
01:34:00.880 --> 01:34:03.319
It's not like that. You just watch our show. It's

1794
01:34:03.319 --> 01:34:06.319
a streaming show. So yeah, we're we're real excited for

1795
01:34:06.399 --> 01:34:09.119
people to to go find it and watch it.

1796
01:34:09.560 --> 01:34:15.079
Well, congratulations on this new series. Ian Dykman and Christian Robinson.

1797
01:34:15.119 --> 01:34:18.039
They're the team behind the feature film Life as we

1798
01:34:18.239 --> 01:34:20.520
know it. Thank you so much for being with us.

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focus on the family. How's that?

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Well, speaking of being hired and maybe even fired, this

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I mean you knew sooner or later this is going

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be the case right now. What a story?

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Huh Yeah, I mean I'm curious to get your perspective

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dive on it. So fill me in a little bit

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about what you think is most interesting is about the case?

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01:39:06.399 --> 01:39:08.560
Well, it's something that we've been talking about a long time.

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You and I you know, for years, have been talking about,

1891
01:39:11.520 --> 01:39:14.399
you know, the impact that social media has. It's almost

1892
01:39:14.920 --> 01:39:19.479
it almost rhymes with the tobacco industry. You know, how

1893
01:39:19.520 --> 01:39:24.039
tobacco got people addicted without their understanding, and then you

1894
01:39:24.079 --> 01:39:26.439
found out later on they had you know, there was

1895
01:39:26.479 --> 01:39:29.399
a reason why people got addicted because they had chemicals

1896
01:39:29.399 --> 01:39:32.920
and everything like that. And so it's like they're you know,

1897
01:39:33.279 --> 01:39:36.039
doing they they're opening up the hood on social media.

1898
01:39:36.720 --> 01:39:40.199
And you've got a California woman who is bringing the

1899
01:39:40.239 --> 01:39:44.560
case and saying, look at I got addicted to this,

1900
01:39:44.880 --> 01:39:48.279
and and I believe that, you know, the social media

1901
01:39:49.479 --> 01:39:55.560
organization companies were responsible for this. And so there's you know,

1902
01:39:56.000 --> 01:39:58.840
there's no denying now and all this is coming out.

1903
01:39:59.119 --> 01:40:00.720
I mean to the point that you've got, like I

1904
01:40:00.720 --> 01:40:02.760
think TikTok said, hey, we don't want to go to court.

1905
01:40:02.840 --> 01:40:03.640
You know, we're right now.

1906
01:40:03.640 --> 01:40:04.560
They settled out of court.

1907
01:40:04.840 --> 01:40:07.199
They settled. Let's got our losses on this one.

1908
01:40:07.279 --> 01:40:09.319
Well, and I don't know if you remember, but when

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01:40:09.319 --> 01:40:12.760
there was the initial talk of banning TikTok a year

1910
01:40:12.800 --> 01:40:17.960
ago or ish more or less, and by the way,

1911
01:40:18.000 --> 01:40:20.039
I knew they would never do it because you follow

1912
01:40:20.079 --> 01:40:23.640
the money, right, there's too much money, and even if

1913
01:40:23.640 --> 01:40:25.920
the money is going to China, there's still too much money.

1914
01:40:26.720 --> 01:40:30.239
But there were some documents released by one of the

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01:40:30.239 --> 01:40:35.279
attorneys general that was investigating that showed that TikTok's own

1916
01:40:35.560 --> 01:40:41.319
internal research showed that it takes exactly thirty five minutes

1917
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to become addicted.

1918
01:40:42.840 --> 01:40:46.880
So you know, five minutes, you're kidding, Yeah, I mean

1919
01:40:46.920 --> 01:40:50.039
because normally, in normal parlance, I mean, what does it

1920
01:40:50.079 --> 01:40:52.520
take at least twenty one days to create a habit?

1921
01:40:52.640 --> 01:40:52.840
Right?

1922
01:40:52.960 --> 01:40:53.239
No?

1923
01:40:53.239 --> 01:40:57.000
No, they say it's addictive in under an hour. And

1924
01:40:57.439 --> 01:40:59.920
so when you know that they have those sorts of

1925
01:41:00.359 --> 01:41:05.520
internal documents that have been released and exist out there,

1926
01:41:06.000 --> 01:41:11.000
you know in the wilds of the internet, they don't

1927
01:41:11.000 --> 01:41:16.479
have a case, right, And we know that these things

1928
01:41:16.560 --> 01:41:20.760
have been engineered to get their hooks into you and

1929
01:41:20.800 --> 01:41:23.960
to never let go. In the two thousand and I

1930
01:41:23.960 --> 01:41:28.079
believe twenty or twenty one Netflix documentary The Social Dilemma,

1931
01:41:28.159 --> 01:41:31.520
which I still commend to people's viewing because it really is.

1932
01:41:32.239 --> 01:41:37.159
It's a cautionary documentary, really just interviewing people who got

1933
01:41:37.319 --> 01:41:40.960
ethically queasy with being involved in this, and one of

1934
01:41:40.960 --> 01:41:43.399
those was a guy named Tim Kendall who was the

1935
01:41:43.439 --> 01:41:46.560
former CEO of Pinterest. And I'm going to paraphrase a

1936
01:41:46.640 --> 01:41:51.119
little bit, right, but this phrase still just stops me cold,

1937
01:41:51.159 --> 01:41:55.000
because I think it has biblical echoes. Unintentionally, he said,

1938
01:41:55.119 --> 01:41:59.079
our goal is to get to get you to voluntarily

1939
01:41:59.199 --> 01:42:02.840
give us as much of your life as you will surrender.

1940
01:42:03.319 --> 01:42:06.920
Right, that is what is baked into the cake here.

1941
01:42:08.000 --> 01:42:10.119
You say involuntarily or voluntarily?

1942
01:42:10.239 --> 01:42:13.079
No, voluntarily, I mean basically yes.

1943
01:42:12.920 --> 01:42:17.079
They're trying to, you know, to coax you into to

1944
01:42:17.239 --> 01:42:18.760
being engaged constantly.

1945
01:42:19.279 --> 01:42:21.840
And to me, it sounds a lot like what we.

1946
01:42:21.840 --> 01:42:25.039
See in John ten ten where Jesus says, you know,

1947
01:42:25.079 --> 01:42:27.600
the thief comes to steal, kill, and destroy, but.

1948
01:42:27.560 --> 01:42:29.159
I have come that you might have life, and have

1949
01:42:29.239 --> 01:42:30.840
it abundantly and have it to the full.

1950
01:42:31.479 --> 01:42:35.159
And I think that social media in particular, and the

1951
01:42:35.199 --> 01:42:39.119
Internet in general, it makes a promise that it's going

1952
01:42:39.199 --> 01:42:41.479
to fill us up and that that we're going to

1953
01:42:41.520 --> 01:42:45.159
be satisfied by it that it absolutely cannot deliver on,

1954
01:42:45.800 --> 01:42:49.840
and and what it ends up doing is stealing tons

1955
01:42:49.840 --> 01:42:51.880
and tons of your time. You never get done. I

1956
01:42:51.880 --> 01:42:54.319
mean even if you're just watching cat videos, right, I mean,

1957
01:42:54.399 --> 01:42:58.800
let's just let's even forget about problematic content. I never

1958
01:42:58.880 --> 01:43:00.840
get done. You know, well, first of all, you never

1959
01:43:00.840 --> 01:43:05.000
sit down and watch one short form video. Never you know,

1960
01:43:05.039 --> 01:43:08.039
you look up and twenty or thirty or forty minutes

1961
01:43:08.039 --> 01:43:11.159
have gone by. I never get done spending time like that.

1962
01:43:11.239 --> 01:43:12.880
And I'm not going to say I'm not perfect here.

1963
01:43:13.000 --> 01:43:14.399
I'm just like everybody else.

1964
01:43:14.520 --> 01:43:17.479
Hey wait, it's a trap, There's no doubt about it.

1965
01:43:17.479 --> 01:43:19.600
Because you sit there and after you've been on it

1966
01:43:19.640 --> 01:43:22.439
for about thirty minutes, you go, I just wasted thirty

1967
01:43:22.439 --> 01:43:22.960
minutes more.

1968
01:43:22.920 --> 01:43:24.479
Well, that's what I was going to say.

1969
01:43:24.479 --> 01:43:26.920
You never get done and say, man, I feel so

1970
01:43:27.079 --> 01:43:30.079
satisfied with how I invested that time. That was such

1971
01:43:30.079 --> 01:43:34.199
a good use of the limited, most limited resource that I.

1972
01:43:34.159 --> 01:43:37.199
Have available, right.

1973
01:43:36.640 --> 01:43:41.000
And so I think it does almost require a full reset.

1974
01:43:41.039 --> 01:43:43.279
I do think that we were approaching something like the

1975
01:43:43.319 --> 01:43:46.359
reckoning we had with cigarettes and tobacco in the nineteen sixties,

1976
01:43:46.520 --> 01:43:50.399
where there's a growing recognition that the cost of this,

1977
01:43:50.800 --> 01:43:53.920
especially for our young people, is enormous. And that's what

1978
01:43:53.960 --> 01:43:56.640
this trial that you were talking about really is dealing

1979
01:43:56.640 --> 01:43:57.600
with this lawsuit.

1980
01:43:58.039 --> 01:44:00.520
Well, and we get back to the basics here. This

1981
01:44:00.640 --> 01:44:03.640
is who's going to control your life? Right? I mean,

1982
01:44:04.039 --> 01:44:06.800
is it God or is it social media? And as

1983
01:44:06.840 --> 01:44:09.399
you say, you come away from social media, and you say, man,

1984
01:44:09.399 --> 01:44:11.319
I'm sure glad I invested the last hour and a

1985
01:44:11.359 --> 01:44:13.840
half in social media. I just I feel just so much,

1986
01:44:14.640 --> 01:44:16.960
you know, so much better improved. I'm a better human

1987
01:44:17.039 --> 01:44:18.840
being as a result, and all this sort of thing.

1988
01:44:19.119 --> 01:44:24.199
I mean that that quote from Tim Kendall, that is scary.

1989
01:44:24.920 --> 01:44:26.840
Now, it's a scary quote. And you know, we can

1990
01:44:26.920 --> 01:44:29.039
keep talking. I'll actually find it here real quick because

1991
01:44:29.079 --> 01:44:31.359
I think I've got it somewhere.

1992
01:44:32.640 --> 01:44:35.640
Well, when you find it, but anyway, it's but you

1993
01:44:35.640 --> 01:44:37.720
need to send it, send it to me too, because

1994
01:44:38.319 --> 01:44:42.199
that that is something that needs to be repeated quite often.

1995
01:44:42.880 --> 01:44:47.159
Yeah, it's just it really is one of those things

1996
01:44:47.159 --> 01:44:51.039
that when you're watching it, it just for me, it

1997
01:44:51.199 --> 01:44:56.600
just stopped me cold, right right that. Oh, there is

1998
01:44:56.960 --> 01:45:01.960
there is intention here, right, there's This isn't an accident.

1999
01:45:03.000 --> 01:45:05.840
This is what is by design, right it is. It

2000
01:45:05.920 --> 01:45:11.680
is by design. And so we have to recognize that

2001
01:45:13.239 --> 01:45:17.720
you're not spending forty minutes on TikTok accidentally as some

2002
01:45:17.840 --> 01:45:21.600
kind of outlier. And it's not just TikTok. I mean,

2003
01:45:21.600 --> 01:45:24.520
we we pick on TikTok because it has become the

2004
01:45:24.520 --> 01:45:30.760
poster child for short form video right, But it it's Instagram,

2005
01:45:30.920 --> 01:45:32.600
it's YouTube, it's Facebook.

2006
01:45:32.640 --> 01:45:36.960
They all have short form video. So uh, it's not

2007
01:45:37.319 --> 01:45:39.079
just you know, it's not just.

2008
01:45:39.039 --> 01:45:43.199
TikTok, right exactly, And it's all that clickbait. And like

2009
01:45:43.239 --> 01:45:45.640
you said, you know, you may you may get into

2010
01:45:45.960 --> 01:45:48.279
the ballpark there because you you know, you had something

2011
01:45:48.319 --> 01:45:50.119
you were looking up for, something for you know, for

2012
01:45:50.279 --> 01:45:53.000
work or maybe a research whatever, you know kind of deal.

2013
01:45:53.039 --> 01:45:56.560
It was all good. But it's amazing how they get

2014
01:45:56.640 --> 01:45:58.880
you to just make a make a little bit of

2015
01:45:58.920 --> 01:46:02.039
a rite, right, and you just venture off to the right,

2016
01:46:02.159 --> 01:46:04.720
and next thing, you know, then you're further and further right,

2017
01:46:04.960 --> 01:46:06.600
and now you're down the rabbit hole.

2018
01:46:07.119 --> 01:46:10.119
Now it is a rabbit hole, and and it's a

2019
01:46:10.199 --> 01:46:13.800
rabbit hole that goes in so many different directions, right,

2020
01:46:14.119 --> 01:46:18.359
I mean, you can go into something that is really

2021
01:46:18.520 --> 01:46:22.600
really unhealthy. You know, you could get into pro anarexia content.

2022
01:46:22.800 --> 01:46:26.359
You can get into things that that glorify all sorts

2023
01:46:26.399 --> 01:46:29.920
of problematic behaviors.

2024
01:46:30.359 --> 01:46:33.720
And so it's just a it's a problem.

2025
01:46:34.000 --> 01:46:34.199
Yeah.

2026
01:46:34.199 --> 01:46:36.520
And the other thing that you're finding is, you know,

2027
01:46:36.600 --> 01:46:38.439
I was just watching this story the other day out

2028
01:46:38.479 --> 01:46:40.960
of this this young fan, this family and a young

2029
01:46:41.039 --> 01:46:44.319
boy I think was in New York. I think he's

2030
01:46:44.920 --> 01:46:49.119
was in Long Island and Wash, you know, drawn away

2031
01:46:49.239 --> 01:46:51.960
from his family and to meet an individual he hadn't

2032
01:46:51.960 --> 01:46:54.840
met before. And it shows him and the train station,

2033
01:46:55.159 --> 01:46:58.399
and he's been missing. I think it could be several weeks.

2034
01:46:58.560 --> 01:47:04.119
I may be miss misremembering exactly the time, but it's

2035
01:47:04.199 --> 01:47:06.479
been a period of time. And you've got to imagine

2036
01:47:06.479 --> 01:47:08.800
the heartbreak. I mean they showed his mother's mother she

2037
01:47:09.000 --> 01:47:12.359
just you know, you can tell, I mean, not knowing

2038
01:47:12.439 --> 01:47:15.840
where her son is. He's fourteen, fifteen years old and

2039
01:47:16.159 --> 01:47:19.279
was convinced to, you know, come and meet a stranger

2040
01:47:19.680 --> 01:47:23.279
in New York. God only knows what's happened to this

2041
01:47:23.359 --> 01:47:23.880
young man.

2042
01:47:24.199 --> 01:47:26.840
So I got the quote here, and the first part

2043
01:47:27.479 --> 01:47:29.359
I'm going to have in brackets, so I'm adding to

2044
01:47:29.520 --> 01:47:31.680
the business model of social media. And now the quote

2045
01:47:31.680 --> 01:47:35.039
starts is to keep people engaged on the screen. Let's

2046
01:47:35.039 --> 01:47:37.479
figure out how to get as much of this person's

2047
01:47:37.520 --> 01:47:41.279
attention as we possibly can. How much time can we

2048
01:47:41.319 --> 01:47:44.439
get you to spend, how much of your life can

2049
01:47:44.479 --> 01:47:48.319
we get you to give us? I mean, man, I

2050
01:47:48.319 --> 01:47:50.119
mean when you put it, when you frame it like that,

2051
01:47:50.600 --> 01:47:53.159
you know, I'm here, I am, I'm offering my life,

2052
01:47:53.640 --> 01:47:58.520
and frankly, it does become I think it's appropriate to

2053
01:47:58.560 --> 01:48:01.479
talk about it in terms of idolage, right, because God

2054
01:48:01.560 --> 01:48:04.439
wants us to offer his life to him, not on

2055
01:48:04.520 --> 01:48:08.920
the altar of this other thing. And you know, there's

2056
01:48:08.960 --> 01:48:12.640
another correlation here with social media that I think is

2057
01:48:12.760 --> 01:48:16.800
especially important right now. No matter where you're at on

2058
01:48:16.920 --> 01:48:21.119
the ongoing conversation about what's going on with ice and immigration,

2059
01:48:22.079 --> 01:48:24.720
I think that we can agree that social media is

2060
01:48:24.720 --> 01:48:28.920
an accelerant, right because when I get on social media,

2061
01:48:29.920 --> 01:48:32.560
I automatically categorize, Oh, you're one.

2062
01:48:32.399 --> 01:48:35.560
Of those people, Oh you're with us, right. It turns

2063
01:48:35.640 --> 01:48:37.760
us into us and them, right.

2064
01:48:37.840 --> 01:48:42.359
And it's not a dialogue like of all of the

2065
01:48:42.399 --> 01:48:44.840
angry comments you see all over the place.

2066
01:48:45.840 --> 01:48:46.720
Very rarely is.

2067
01:48:46.640 --> 01:48:50.359
There a nuanced, mature, back and forth discussion between two

2068
01:48:50.399 --> 01:48:52.119
people who have a different point of view.

2069
01:48:52.199 --> 01:48:55.239
It's not designed, it's not designed for that. You know,

2070
01:48:55.399 --> 01:48:59.039
you're exactly right, You've got to have a point counterpoint,

2071
01:48:59.079 --> 01:49:02.640
you got to have this so who wants to walk

2072
01:49:02.680 --> 01:49:03.439
into that room?

2073
01:49:04.000 --> 01:49:04.199
Right?

2074
01:49:04.279 --> 01:49:06.600
And And the thing is, we had a conversation with

2075
01:49:06.640 --> 01:49:08.560
some good friends the other night, and I'll just I

2076
01:49:08.560 --> 01:49:11.680
will say simply that we aren't quite on the same

2077
01:49:11.760 --> 01:49:15.880
page with regard to what how we should be thinking

2078
01:49:15.880 --> 01:49:18.279
about all this stuff with regard to ice and immigration.

2079
01:49:18.560 --> 01:49:20.800
And again, I don't want to I'm not even wanting to.

2080
01:49:20.760 --> 01:49:22.279
Talk about the issue other than to say we had

2081
01:49:22.319 --> 01:49:26.640
different points of view. We talked for two hours and it.

2082
01:49:26.560 --> 01:49:29.840
Was not a comfortable conversation, but I think we were

2083
01:49:29.880 --> 01:49:32.319
both able to hear each other, and neither one of

2084
01:49:32.359 --> 01:49:36.319
us talked to the other one into our position. It

2085
01:49:36.359 --> 01:49:39.520
wasn't like us became them or whatever. But by the

2086
01:49:39.600 --> 01:49:42.000
end it didn't feel like us and them anymore. It

2087
01:49:42.079 --> 01:49:45.479
felt like, Oh, we're having a real conversation here.

2088
01:49:45.479 --> 01:49:51.600
And the reality is relationship, real relationship takes work. It's

2089
01:49:51.640 --> 01:49:52.479
not comfortable.

2090
01:49:53.039 --> 01:49:56.000
I have to get past my knee jerk reactions sometimes

2091
01:49:56.039 --> 01:49:57.800
to get to a point where we could have a

2092
01:49:57.880 --> 01:50:01.319
real talk about something. And exactly social media works against

2093
01:50:01.359 --> 01:50:01.680
all of that.

2094
01:50:02.479 --> 01:50:04.880
And the thing is what makes it godly, Adam, is

2095
01:50:04.880 --> 01:50:07.520
that after it's all said and done, compared to what

2096
01:50:07.560 --> 01:50:10.520
you said earlier, you feel better for the opportunity.

2097
01:50:10.560 --> 01:50:11.279
You feel better.

2098
01:50:11.520 --> 01:50:15.920
Yes, And it's not easy, like social media is easy

2099
01:50:16.000 --> 01:50:18.159
it's easy for me to get on and post some

2100
01:50:18.279 --> 01:50:21.439
angry screed and then all of my other people who

2101
01:50:21.439 --> 01:50:24.439
agree with me say, yeah, you're right, you're right. Pick

2102
01:50:24.520 --> 01:50:28.199
any issue and you feel justified and reinforced in your

2103
01:50:28.239 --> 01:50:32.239
position as opposed to I wonder if there's you know,

2104
01:50:32.319 --> 01:50:35.239
a possibility that I need to think about this from

2105
01:50:35.279 --> 01:50:38.560
a different perspective, right, or that I need a new

2106
01:50:38.640 --> 01:50:42.039
input here there's no humility in social media. Well, I

2107
01:50:42.079 --> 01:50:44.720
would say humility is more difficult on social media.

2108
01:50:44.840 --> 01:50:45.680
Let's put it that way.

2109
01:50:45.960 --> 01:50:48.000
You got you find it in the rare earth part

2110
01:50:48.159 --> 01:50:52.319
of life, exactly, and you know it's it's like Paul said,

2111
01:50:52.359 --> 01:50:54.960
you know, you don't want to be on team Cephas

2112
01:50:55.119 --> 01:50:57.760
or Team Peter or Team Paul. You know kind of deal. Way,

2113
01:50:57.840 --> 01:50:59.840
that's exactly right, right, that's really.

2114
01:50:59.640 --> 01:51:01.479
What bringing out a new impulse?

2115
01:51:01.680 --> 01:51:04.239
No, exactly, Well, we got to leave it there, mister Adams.

2116
01:51:04.319 --> 01:51:06.800
So tell everybody one more time. You are Adam Holtz.

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