Jan. 27, 2026
The Bill Martinez Show 01 27 26
The Bill Martinez Show 01 27 26
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Are you ready?
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Yeah, Okay, let's do an Ill Martinas Live a program
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about current events, our culture, our values, our politics, and
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our future.
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And now Bill Martinez.
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Hey, right now six minutes after the top of the hour, America.
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Good to have you with us. We've got Jonathan Tobin,
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the editor in chief of the Jewish News Syndicate jans
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And here to talk about We're recording this admittedly the
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day before National Holocaust Remembrance Day, and we're going to
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talk about that. But before we do, Jonathan, if it's okay,
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some bittersweet news coming out of Israel, and that is
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the Israel Defense Forces have confirmed the recovery and identification
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of the remains of Master Sergeant Ran Gavilli. I hope
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I'm saying that correctly. He's the final Israeli hostages hostage
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that was held in Gaza, right.
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Yes, it's a moment of closure to some extent after
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more than two years this October seventh, twenty twenty three,
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which was the worst mass sloader since the Holocaust and over.
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You know, it was an orgy of mass murder, rape, torture, kidnapping,
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and the fate of originally more than two hundred hostages
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that were taken by Hamas and the Palestinian terrorists. You know,
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they've all now been accounted for. The bodies as well
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as the living hostages have been returned home. So that
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is a moment. This is a moment when you know,
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sort of to remember, you know, sadly, the fate of
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more than twelve hundred, you know, people were killed on
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that awful day, this terrible act of terrorism aimed, which
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was really you know, a trailer for what Hamas and
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the Palestinians want to do to the rest of Israel.
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That they were the rest of Israel, and it might
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say the world indeed exactly their enemy is the West.
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Israel's their first target, but they're after the rest.
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Of us as well. And it's a reminder not only that,
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you know, the war isn't caught, but you know that
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as much as this chapter of this war against terrorism
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against Islamist terror is concluded, but the war isn't over.
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The Hamas terrorists are still in control of forty seven
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percent of Gaza. President Trump has promised that they will
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be disarmed, as they promised to do in the ceasefire
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deal that was concluded last October, and it's now up
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to the West, to the President to keep his word,
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to make sure that these awful murderers are not allowed
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to rebuild as they've been doing since since October, and
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to resume their war against Israel in the West. And
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we hope that now that this last hostage, these last
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remains have been returned, so that his family can give
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him a proper burial, that the job will be finished.
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United States and Israel have a joint obligation to ensure
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that these fiends aren't allowed to win this war, aren't
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allowed to get away with it. And you can only
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hope that that in the coming months we'll see that happen.
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Well, I think at least I would think that the
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last hostage coming home really reduces the leverage that Hamas
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has had on Israel and the United States in terms
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of you know, they reluctantly were giving up the host
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because they know that that was their protection. And now
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with the last hostage coming home and you're saying forty
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six percent, I've heard numbers as high as seventy percent
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in terms of AMAS still controlling whatever it is.
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It's penopulation. Yeah, it depends on how you're counting.
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It, right, exactly but regardless, it's it's still a heavy
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load that still needs to be addressed here, whether you
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know it's the IDF for you know, in combination with
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the United States, because you've already got Jared Kushner and
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others already starting to lay out a plan for Gaza,
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which Donald Trump had had cast several months ago. Right.
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Yeah, let's let's be very clear. I think initially, and
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I was I thought this as well, that the hostages
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were amasa's sole leverage in this struggle. I don't think
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that's really true. I think their leverage right now is
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war weariness inside Israel. I mean two years of war
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were you know, hundreds of thousands. It's a small country,
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you know, less than ten million people. You had hundreds
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of thousands of men called up to serve that. That's
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a that's a huge chunk of the econ to me,
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so many people whose lives were disrupted. I can tell
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you from being there several times. These are people. This
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is like the generation of World War two in the
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United States. They know they were ready to go back
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because they were fighting for their homes and their families.
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They knew what it was about. There was really no
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doubt but his israelis a weary of the war. And
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President Trump, you know, he likes the idea and he
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deserves the title of peacemaker. He's made great deals, but
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I don't think he really you know, he's reluctant to
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start the war again because that will undermine, you know,
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his hopes of you know, being the peacemaker. And you
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know Jared Kushner's talk about rebuilding Gaza. Let me tell you,
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I mean, that's very well intentioned, and it sounds great
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and if it came true, it would be marvelous. But
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until Hamas is disarmed and thrown out of power, it's
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all a fantasy.
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Yeah, And that's good because you know that you've been there,
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and you know, and then you've got optives on the
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ground there as well. And that's my question. Was the
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sentiment there amongst the Palestinians. How ideologically fixed do they
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remain after all this that has taken place? Or is
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it as you say that they are so committed to
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defending what they believe is their homeland.
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Well, listen, and the Israeli people are not going to
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give up, you know, doesn't matter how many people around
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the world engage in anti Semitism and delegitimizing Israel. The
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Israelis aren't giving up the Palestinians. Sadly, they have been
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sustained in their fantasies of destroying Israel by comments from
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around the world and all the demonstrations and the people
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chanting on college campuses here in the United States. They
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need to be disabused of this fantasy, and unfortunately they're
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still holding on to it. I'm sure many Palestinians, if
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you gave them the option, they'd love to get out
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of Gaza. They love to be free of the rule
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of Hamas. But quite frankly, what Hamas is popular among Palestinians,
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and until they are completely defeated, quite frankly, the way
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the Nazis were completely defeated at the end of World
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War Two, we're not going to get the sea change
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in Palestinian political culture that will enable there to be
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peace and to have development and all the good things
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that Jared Kushner wants to do in finance. Until that happens,
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it's not going to happen right now.
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You're exactly right. Let's talk about the the element of Iran,
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what's happening there and how is Hamas being funded with
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you know, the pressure that's on Iran and the lack
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of funds. I mean, they're having a hard time paying
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for the the IRGC right now.
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Yeah, Listen, the more pressure we can put on Iran,
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the harder it is for its terrorist auxiliaries and allies,
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whether it's Hesbal and Lebanon or Hamas and Gaza. That
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is a key pressure point. Hamas, you know, they launched
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that war, but they were you know, funded, They were
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fomented by Iran, which created this multi front war against Israel.
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It wound up blowing up in their faces. They are
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the big losers from the post October seventh war. Hamas
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is weaker than it ever was. Hezbola is a shadow
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of itself. It's still there in Lebanon. It can still
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cause trouble. But they were defeated decisively by the Israelis,
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and as a result of that, Iran lost its ally
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in Syria, the brutal Assad regime, which has been replaced
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by you know, this jihadist you know, Jolani regime. We
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don't know where they're going to go. I know, the
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Trump administration has high hopes that they're going to join
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the West and all that. I think that's that's a
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little bit, that's more like wishful bid you know, that
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more wishing upon a star than than hard headed politics.
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But you know, the regime in Iran is under pressure.
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You know, so many people have taken to the streets
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there to protest. Thousands of tens of thousands have been murdered.
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You know, the campuses that supposedly care about human rights,
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nobody cares about that. So we're going to see whether
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the United States can play a role in overturning that regime.
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I know there are people with an administration who want
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to make a deal which kind of sounds like Obama
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foreign policy, you know, recycled. I hope that. I hope
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that side doesn't prevail. But as long as the Iranian
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regime is in place, you know there's going They're going
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to be fermenting terrorism. They are the leading state sponsor
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of terrorism in the world. There, they have so much
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American blood on their hands. America, you know, we certainly
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don't want to get involved in a war, you know,
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a land war in Iran. I don't think President Trump
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is any intention of doing anything like that. But we
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can use our air power just as Israel use its
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air power to knock out their air defenses and with
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American help destroy their largely destroy their nuclear program. I
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think there's a role to be played for the United
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States and helping the Iranian people overturn that government. We're
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going to see how that plays out, and it's you know,
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that's another decision that President Trump will have to make exactly.
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