Jan. 5, 2026

Precious Freedom from the #1 New York Times Bestselling Author of Flags of our Fathers

Precious Freedom from the #1 New York Times Bestselling Author of Flags of our Fathers
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Season 3

James Bradley, the #1 NY Times bestselling author of Flags of my Father says before we lost the war, we lost the truth. The Vietnam War was a tragedy for Americas and Vietnam. But for the Vietnamese it was a victory: they defeated the world's wealthiest nation. So how did they win? In his new book, Precious Freedom delivers his most intimate provocative and necessary work yet, a novel of gripping truth. He discovered after talking with the Vietnamese that they actually love America.

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Hey, good morning, and welcome Bill Martinez here. Great to

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have you with us. And we've got a guest that

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I've been looking forward to talking with. He's the author

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of Flags of Our Fathers, New York Times best selling

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author as well because of the book, and also he's

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got a new novel called Precious Freedom. It's a novel

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of the war in Vietnam. James Bradley, welcome to show.

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Good have you with us.

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Thank you for having me Bill.

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Hey, Uh, before we get into the book Precious Freedom

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about Vietnam, Uh, I am a Vietnam era vet A marine,

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and so obviously this relates sincerely with me and and

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this novel that you've written about Vietnam, because you bring

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out some things that people have long been confused about.

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So you've you've done this a big service here, James,

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I'm gonna tell you that number one, okay. And before

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we get into that, if it's okay with you, I

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want to talk a little bit about your background.

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I mean, you yourself.

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You're a son of two you know, Jim mccorman, Doc Bradley,

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and and let me see here now, did you caddy

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for coach Lombardier or was it one of your relatives

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that did?

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No, I did.

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It's all your fault, right, okay.

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My dad was John Bradley, and we lived in Annigo, Wisconsin.

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We had a cottage up at bass Lake and at

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bass Lake Country Club. Bart Star and Fuzzy Thurston and

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Zeke Brakowski and those guys lived up there, and they

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brought up coach Lombardy and little dumb me, you know,

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carried the coaches clubs around.

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You know.

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It wasn't like I was some big caddy giving the

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coach direction.

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I was lugging clubs.

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But we called it caddy, yes, right exactly.

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But it's it's amazing to have that kind of memory,

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right to think about, you know, you and and coach Lombardy,

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you know, crossing paths like this, and if you would

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have known now you know, and you know and then

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what you know now, I'm sure it had been interesting

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and he probably would have kicked you off the back

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because you would have had all kinds of questions for

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the coach.

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Right.

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Well, you know that there's I bring up Lombardi in

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the beginning of the book because the America narrative of

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the Vietnam War, if you listen to the vets and

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you read the books, it's.

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We could have won.

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If only if only the press, if only the Congress,

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of only the media, if only, if only, if only

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Johnson and I went to Vietnam and I looked around,

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and it's like, hey, the Vietnamese won this war. I thought,

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like Vince Lombardi it you know, the story about the

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Ice Bowl with the Dallas Cowboys was not that the

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Dallas Cowboys lost. We didn't read a hundred books about

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how they lost. We only read the books about how

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the Packers won. So I thought the Vietnamese won. I

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want to read all these books by Americans about how

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the Vietnamese won and I couldn't find any It's all

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about how we could have we could have won, you know.

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So I just I'm a Vince Lombardi guy, so I'm like,

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you know, hey, they won. So the shocking thing about

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this book bill is that I'm the only American author

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who went to Vietnam and asked the winners, how did

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you win?

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Right?

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Exactly?

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Yeah, because when you think about the dynamics, the narrative

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that we were being fed here in America was totally

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different than what was happening at the ground level.

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Right.

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Well, see, it was this convoluted idea of.

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The crossover point.

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We were going to search and destroy and we were

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going to kill so many Vietnamese that there would be

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a crossover. After we kill this many, then they're just

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going to give up. They're going to say, boy, America

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is really powerful. But war has never been War has

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always been about territory.

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You know.

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I asked the Ewo Jima Vets my first book, Flags

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of our Fathers, I said, how did you know that

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you won the island? And he said, we took the territory.

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All war is about taking the territory. But the generals

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in the early nineteen sixties, said well, we.

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Can't conquer the territory in Vietnam. So what we'll do.

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We got these grasshoppers is called helicopters, and then we'll

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just jump from place to place, and we can't take

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the territory, but we'll just jump and kill so many

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of them that they'll just give up. Well, the Vietnamese

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had been fighting invaders for two thousand years and they

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never gave up. And the Americans never thought about that.

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And I interviewed Vietnamese who said to me when they

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were little kids fifteen sixteen, when they were in the war,

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they said, oh, man, every time we saw a helicopter,

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we said, oh, thank God for the helic I said,

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what do you mean and he said, well, Uncle Ho

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taught us that the Americans used the helicopter because they

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can't take the territory, that they can't come down and fight.

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The Americans are flying over us, but they can't come

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down here because we would tweed them out right. And

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then they said thank God for the helicopter. And I

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said what do you mean? And they said, mister Bradley,

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you know, the Vietnamese air space would be completely quiet,

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and then a would come, oh bo, drop a bomb. Well,

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that was to make a landing zone for a helicopter.

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So they announced in advance a helicopter was coming, and

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then twenty minutes later, oh wow, it's going to land

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right here. And you know, we were fifteen years old

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with sandals and old French rifles, and we knew where

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the helicopter was going to land, and the helicopter would come.

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We'd have our rifles and it would land right there.

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It was the only place to land, and then we

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just shoot the bejeebers out of him. So Bill, my brother,

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trained as a marine. He enlisted, He trained Okanawa to

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Danang donghuh, And years later after he came home all

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shot up.

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I said, what happened to you, Steve? He said, whoa?

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I got on a helicopter from my first mission. We landed,

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I stepped out and I got shot right next to

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the heart. Well, he probably got shot by a thirteen

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year old girl who was notified when he was coming.

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Exactly the Marines announced when they were coming. It was

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this crazy search and destroy idea that could.

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Not work right well, and what a bizarre way to

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conduct a war, I mean, and hearing you just even

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relate in the initial description of the of the strategy

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or lack thereof, you know, in not capturing territory, because

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I can I can remember I was in public relations

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for the Marine Corps, so I got information, I got stories.

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I talked to the soldiers when they came back, you know,

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from being in country, and the frustrating thing for them

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repeatedly I got to tell you, James, is they would say,

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you know, one day we would fight, we'd lose our

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best friends that were right next to us winning this hill,

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and then we would recede, only to come back the

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next day to go and win that same hill over again.

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How frustrating do you think that is for a soldier?

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And you know the Marines and soldiers always.

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Say, well, you know, we got together and we got

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in the group and we went out and then we

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got ambushed and they got some of our guys and

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we came back.

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No, no, no, no, it wasn't ambush. That was a strategy.

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Pa Chi Minh said, you're never going to confront the

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Americans head on.

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You're going to lose. He said, what you do?

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He said, the Americans moving bunches, and when you see

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them go moving in bunch one way, you know where

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they're going. And he said, what you do is you

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ambush them. He said, you never get together with more

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than ten or fifteen, and so you can hide behind

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the trees, in the brush and whatever, and you nick them.

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He said, if you cut off the pinky, just nick

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off the pinky of one marine in a platoon, that

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blood will be seen by everybody. There will be a report,

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they will be spooked. He said, that's a victory. But Bill,

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could I could I say something that the key to

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a boxing match is initiative. An initiative is I hit

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you first and you react, and then I hit you

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again and you're you're reacting. I have the initiative. And

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the key to a football game is to get the initiative.

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Control the ball, the plays, you know, throw a pass,

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do a run, mix it up, initiative, initiative. And when

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I went to Vietnam, and well, when I was in

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America and interviewed Marines, I never heard the word initiative.

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I heard, you.

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Know, our guns and our armor, and they moved out

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in groups.

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There was no initiative.

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When I went to Vietnam, they said, oh, uncle Ho said,

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never fight without the initiative, Look for an look for

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you know, look look for the corner in the alley

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when the Marines come around that you'll be able to

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surprise them.

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That's called initiative.

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Look for the valley where you're on the other side

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and the Marines come and you can surprise them. That's

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called initiative. And if you can't get the initiative, don't fight.

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So they were always looking. Well, the statistics show that

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the Marines initiated only ten percent of the battles and

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view unbelievable, so you can't win, so the Vietnamese and

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then the Marines would complain, you know, we got ambushed

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and we started shooting, and then they disappeared and they

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you know, dragged their wounded. Well, no Vietnamese grabbed the initiative,

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drew first blood, and then they got out of there.

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Quick attack, quick retreat, quick and they were taught as kids,

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quick attack, quick retreat, quick attack, quick retreat, get out

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of there. And so the Marines were stunned and the

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Vietnamese got out of there. They weren't looking to fight

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any battles the Marines. The Vietnamese didn't want to fight

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a battle. They just wanted to ambush.

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And surprise exactly. James Bradley, We've got to go to

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quick break.

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Stay with us.

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We've got more coming up right after this. Hey, we're

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back with you. I'm Bill Martinez. It's fourteen minutes before

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the top. They are James Bradley, New York Times best

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author of Flags of Our Fathers. We're talking about his

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new book and what was behind it. I mean, gosh,

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I think you're the only author I know of that

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actually went to Vietnam, went there and actually had conversations

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with the Vietnamese to find out what the heck happened.

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And I got to tell you, your book is going

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to be, you know, disturbing in many regards for Vietnam

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vets who were in country, they knew kind of what happened.

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I think they have an idea of what happened. Like

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you said before, you know, should have, could have? Would

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it didn't happen. We weren't gaining territory. They thought, well,

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it doesn't make any sense. I mean, here's this, you know,

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powerful military force. In fact, we just won World War two,

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and many wondered, said, why didn't we just drop a

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nuclear bomb on Vietnam and just take care of it, right.

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You know, I still have military people saying, oh, we

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could have genocided them, you know, no, no, jeez. The

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Vietnamese beat the Chinese for one thousand years. That Chinese

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tried to destroy the Vietnamese, right, the French, the Japanese

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starved them to death. We put in chemicals naypalm agent

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orange to deform them. We dropped more bombs on a

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little tiny area of Vietnam the size of Delaware than

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we did in all of Germany.

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You know, we really.

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Really really tried, and you know what, drop some nuclear weapons.

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I went to school in Japan.

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If you go to Hiroshima where we dropped that bomb,

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there's a children children are playing on a swing set there.

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You know, Nagasaki, there's flowers growing there. So you can

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drop nuclear bombs and as like Mio said, you're going

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to rearrange some dirt on some farms. You know, Vietnam

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had no big industrial capacity for a nuclear bomb to effect.

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What are you going to do dropping up?

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You know, like, I mean, it's ridiculous, but the no, see,

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I don't I feel like I'm going to bring comfort

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to the American vet because they were told look at

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our aircraft carriers, and look at our helicopters, and look

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at our guns. We should have won, you know, they

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didn't look at the strategy of People's War and say

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this is why we lost. The Packers won because they

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had us a better strategy, and the Vietnamese won because

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they had a better strategy and they had better tactics.

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But the Americans, not the service people were fine.

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It's the generals and the ladily.

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in country and trying to orchestrate this war from a distance.

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didn't they in much the same way in the Revelation

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and the Revolutionary War, when we took on the British,

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we knew, you know, we knew the forest from the trees,

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you know, so we had the advantage of locality, and

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I believe the Vietnamese had that advantage as well.

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I was in Afghanistan before America invaded Afghanistan, and I

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was in the villages of Afghanistan, and I'm like, wow, man,

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I can see why the British lost here, why the

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Russians lost here.

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Nobody is ever going to beat the Afghanis. Nobody.

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They've been invading Vietnam for over two thousand years, and

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the Vietnamese built. The Vietnamese today have the largest army

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in the world if you include reserves, the largest army today.

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But they're watching all their borders. See, they're not invading

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other countries. If Vietnam invaded Texas tomorrow, they would lose.

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The Texans would fight to the death to protect their homes.

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We invaded Vietnam, and they had a strategy how to

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trip us up.

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The females fought.

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I had women say to me, mister Bradley, the Chinese came,

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we beat them. The Mongols came, We beat them. The

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French came, we beat them. The Japanese came, we beat them.

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Americans came. You know why, I'm as Bradley.

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I said why.

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They said, because you only send half your strength. You

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only send your men in Vietnam. The women fight, and

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I was asked if I wanted to meet a top sniper,

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a bemetaled sniper.

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So I thought I'd meet this grizzled old guy.

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I opened the door and it's a sixty five year

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old female school teacher she's the sniper, she said, mister Bradley.

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When I was fifteen, I saw marine shoot my father

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to death, and that's when I promised myself I would

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kill every American I ever saw.

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Well, at that point, she was a little farm girl.

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She had no intention of fighting a war, but she

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knew who the enemy was. He was a Marine.

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He killed my father. I'm going to fight. She went

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to the forest. Oh, she men had a plan. He

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trained her, I mean, his people trained her. She came

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back and boom, boom boom. Five of the Marines whose

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names are on the Vietnam Wall. She got shot by

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little girl up in a tree, you know, with their

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feet with no sandals on, with their feet gripping the street,

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you know, waiting.

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For her shot. So you can't.

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I'm from Wisconsin, and if you invaded Wisconsin, you know

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what a joke. All us kids, we'd trip you up

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in the backyards.

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We knew all the nooks and crannies.

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Yeah, exactly, if I can take a sidebar, just you know,

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just take a little detour here for just a moment,

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because I want our audience. I mean, you've referred to

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some of the things in your life. I mean your

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life is almost like Walter Mitty. I mean, you know,

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as you mentioned, you're you know, you're carrying a golf

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bag for Lombardi. You've traveled around the globe self funded.

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You visited I guess now it says twenty two countries

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is probably more than that by now, No, no.

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No, I was in twenty two countries by the time

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I was twenty two.

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All right, so by the time you're twenty two, you're

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visiting all these I mean, this is amazing. I mean,

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what motivated you to go and travel the globe like this?

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James, you're old enough to remember the number one best

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selling novelist of our youth with James Mitchner and what

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I was a kid. Mitchner wrote about Asia, and I

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didn't know where Asia was. I was in northern Wisconsin.

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And then I saw he wrote an article for college kids.

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He said, when you graduate from college at twenty two,

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they'll ask you, what do you want to do with

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your life?

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He said, it's a great question. Answer it.

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When you're thirty five, he said, go full around, travel

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the world, live it up, you know, do what you want.

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And then at thirty five, so I thought of that,

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and I started hitchhiking around my hometown. I eventually hitchhiked

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across the United States, and then I went to school

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in Japan and Tokyo, and I hitchhiked around the world.

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I went on the Hippie trail. I was in Afghanistan.

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I lived in the Gulf of Siam on An Island

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with I was the only foreigner. I met the Shah

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of Iran's wife, and Iran taught English in Iran. You know,

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it was up in the Himalaya. So I had traveled.

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Here and then and you danced with Tina Turner while

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you're in Tokyo, and.

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So Tina Turner in Tokyo, and yeah, I had drinks

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without John. There are very few foreigners in Tokyo. Back then,

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I hitchhiked around the world for two thousand dollars. You know,

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that was a lot of money. Back in nineteen seventy four,

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I sold pots and pans in Italy and Germany. And

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then I eventually got a degree in Wisconsin, went to

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New York, got into the entertainment business Tony Bennett, Elepanzgerald,

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Jay Leno and then but eventually I realized I wasn't

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a good businessman. And I and I sold out and

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I went up to Mount Everest with three acts and

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a tent and I said, I'm not coming down until

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I figure out what to do. And up at Mount

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Everest there's no oxygen, there's hardly enough food, you know.

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And I found one grimy book slammed against this wall

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of this sooty tea house, and it was a book

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by Dick Francis, the English author. He's Queen Elizabeth's favorite author.

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Writes about horses, and he wrote that he was a

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jockey and he got hurt and he picked up a

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pen and started writing books.

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And you can too.

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So I'm up in the middle of nowhere looking for

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a second wind of my life, and I thought, well,

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maybe I can be an author. So from that day

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when I decided to become an author, it took me

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ten years, twenty seven turndowns. But my first book was

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Flags of Our Father. Steven Spielberg and Clint Eastwood made

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the movie. And now This Precious Freedom is my fifth book.

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Wow, what a journey and all.

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And there you are a on top of the mountain

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and just you're almost like, are you like stubbornly looking

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to God and saying, I'm not getting off this mountain

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until you tell me what it's all about and what

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I'm supposed to do.

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I kind of sense that, is that what you did?

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Yeah, I'm more like stubbornly, like I really tried do

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really well and.

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It didn't work out.

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So I decided that, you know, you can try to.

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I was My dad had been a businessman, so I

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became a businessman and I hadn't become myself. And I

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realized I had to find my own path, but I

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didn't know how to find it in the noise of

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New York. So I just went up to Mount Everest

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where there's nobody, you know, there's nobody to talk to,

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and all you have is the sun and the moon

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and the water and the slag heaps and the cold

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and the snow. And I thought, if this is if

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I If I can't get inspiration here, it's not going

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to happen. But I'm not coming down to get another

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job and do things that I don't want to do.

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And then this book came and I thought, you know,

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I could be an author, I could work alone. I

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could be creative. I wasn't a good manager. I wasn't

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a good businessman. If you manage people, you should be

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a good businessman.

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I wasn't.

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And if you're an author, you don't have to do business.

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You have an agent. So I thought I could be

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creative work alone. I had never imagined being an author,

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but you know, I thought I'll give it a try.

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Well that took ten years, and you know, as a

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shirt wore out, I had one last shirt. When I

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sportcode wore out, I had one last sport code. You know,

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I completely go and broke. I had twenty seven turndowns

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on Flags of Our Fathers. Twenty seven publishers wrote me

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letters saying that Flags of Our Fathers was a dud.

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And I was pitching it. This will be New York

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Times number one, not because of me, but the flag

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raising photos, the number one most reproduced photo in history, right,

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And I was calling everybody, this is going to be great.

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My wife at that.

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Time, you know, oh my god, my friends flew in

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for a intercession. It was like I was an alcoholic

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who needed what do you.

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Call that intervention?

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In? James, my friend Peter, James, don't you think the

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publishers know what they're talking about? You got to give

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it up James get a job, you know. But I

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kept going because it wasn't because of me. I just thought,

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this is a good story and people are interested in it. See,

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the flag raising has six humans, and nobody ever wrote

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a book about those humans because those families wouldn't talk

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to anybody. But they had to talk to me because

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my dad was involved. So I broke down their doors

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and said, tell me the family stories. And they said, well,

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you know, my brother wasn't a hero. And I said,

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don't give me that. I heard that from my dad.

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What I want to know did he ever kiss a girl?

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Did he have a girlfriend, and you know, did he

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play football? I wanted the family stories to rebuild these

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guys's that's the book. But it's the same thing that

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happened in Vietnam. I went Bill, I must have read

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two hundred books about Vietnam before I went there the

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Vietnam War, and I interviewed and I interviewed American veterans

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of Vietnam War, one of them my brother. And then

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I go to Vietnam and what the Vietnamese are telling

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me what happened. I can see they're taking me out

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to the battlefields, and I'm like, Wow, this is the

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opposite of what Ken Burns and Walter Cronkite told.

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Us, exactly exactly, Well, James, I'll tell you, I cannot

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thank you enough Precious Freedom and novel. I know that

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Vietnam vets are going to be greatly blessed by this

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because you bring a fresh needed perspective on this. And

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though it is a novel, and I understand because some people,

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you know, I guess this would be in the category

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of fiction, but there's so much in the novel that

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comes from real life experience, and I know that the

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soldiers are going to see it and discern it for themselves.

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So again, thank you for coming on the show. James Bradley,

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author of a Precious Freedom. The book available now in

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all the usual places and the website they can go

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to James.

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James Bradley dot com. Visit me there.

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Gave you the last word. That's perfect. Thank you, James,

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Take care, have a good one.

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Good morning America.

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Six minutes after the top of the hour, right now,

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Dol Martinez here along with James Bradley.

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Yes, he is back with us.

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He's the author of course Precious Freedom, and we had

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I'll tell you It was really an honor, James, to

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talk to you and get to know you a little

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bit more of the last time, and talk about your

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background and of course your dad.

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Who was associated.

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He was EWO. G.

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Mccorman, right, Doc Bradley himself, right.

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00:24:54.359 --> 00:24:57.920
Yes, sir, brought to the screen by Steven Spielberger and

471
00:24:57.920 --> 00:25:00.599
Clint Eastwood, Plague La bar fathers.

472
00:25:01.000 --> 00:25:05.000
Yeah, there it is, yeah, exactly, and of course all

473
00:25:05.039 --> 00:25:09.200
inspired because of your book Flags of her Father's and

474
00:25:09.200 --> 00:25:11.359
and of course this new book about the Vietnam War,

475
00:25:12.480 --> 00:25:15.640
a Precious Freedom. It's a novel New York Times, you know,

476
00:25:15.640 --> 00:25:17.920
from the New York Times, number one best selling author,

477
00:25:18.359 --> 00:25:22.480
one and only James Bradley. And hey, he's acquiesced and

478
00:25:23.000 --> 00:25:26.160
join us now to talk about you know, what's going

479
00:25:26.160 --> 00:25:29.480
on with Zelensky and Putin. You know, James, My assessment

480
00:25:29.599 --> 00:25:33.759
is that it seems like Donald Trump wants peace more

481
00:25:33.799 --> 00:25:35.519
than Zelensky or Putin does.

482
00:25:35.599 --> 00:25:37.359
Right now? Am I misreading something?

483
00:25:37.799 --> 00:25:38.000
You know?

484
00:25:38.680 --> 00:25:43.279
In Precious Freedom, this book about the Vietnam War, Lyndon

485
00:25:43.400 --> 00:25:45.240
Johnson never said he wanted war.

486
00:25:45.759 --> 00:25:47.519
He wanted peace all the time.

487
00:25:47.920 --> 00:25:51.279
He was always it was always peace and peace plans.

488
00:25:51.359 --> 00:25:54.200
And we're reaching out and we want them to come

489
00:25:54.279 --> 00:25:58.079
to the negotiating table. But all along he was upping

490
00:25:58.599 --> 00:26:03.000
the military equipment and giving more money to Lockeed, Bell,

491
00:26:03.119 --> 00:26:08.640
helicopter raytheon. So you know what we've We're after peace

492
00:26:08.680 --> 00:26:12.160
in Ukraine, and we've given them what three hundred billion.

493
00:26:11.880 --> 00:26:14.519
Dollars at least or at least Yeah.

494
00:26:14.599 --> 00:26:19.799
So Trump has increased the national debt two trillion dollars

495
00:26:19.839 --> 00:26:23.799
since just last year. So I don't know, Americans have

496
00:26:23.920 --> 00:26:26.559
to wake up. We've got the best economy in the world,

497
00:26:26.880 --> 00:26:28.480
but we can't afford to pay our bills.

498
00:26:28.480 --> 00:26:29.559
We have to borrow money.

499
00:26:29.960 --> 00:26:33.400
And then we want peace, but we're sending money out.

500
00:26:33.680 --> 00:26:38.079
See what I've learned is we're not sending money to Ukraine.

501
00:26:38.599 --> 00:26:41.359
We say we send money to Ukraine, and then we

502
00:26:41.400 --> 00:26:44.279
send it next we send it next door to Lockeed.

503
00:26:44.640 --> 00:26:47.920
Exactly exactly. That's the way the bill, the wheels on

504
00:26:47.960 --> 00:26:50.519
the bus go round and round. James, you just follow

505
00:26:50.599 --> 00:26:51.240
the money, right.

506
00:26:52.079 --> 00:26:56.920
Well, we got told by Eisenhower that we accidentally built

507
00:26:56.920 --> 00:27:00.519
the system where the military industrial complay was.

508
00:27:00.960 --> 00:27:02.559
You know, I've been in the White House a number

509
00:27:02.640 --> 00:27:03.200
of times.

510
00:27:03.880 --> 00:27:06.880
If you look at Donald Trump standing behind him, as

511
00:27:06.920 --> 00:27:10.160
a statue, and the tallest guy on the statues my dad.

512
00:27:10.519 --> 00:27:12.400
If you look at the statue, you can see my

513
00:27:12.480 --> 00:27:16.920
dad's acne. My dad posed for the statue. And you know,

514
00:27:17.039 --> 00:27:20.319
to Trump, that's all about courage and bravery. But I've

515
00:27:20.359 --> 00:27:23.079
been in the White House in the Oval office, and

516
00:27:23.279 --> 00:27:25.680
my idea of the president is he sits at his

517
00:27:25.799 --> 00:27:29.680
desk and outside, right outside, there's seven lions out there

518
00:27:29.720 --> 00:27:34.400
with big mouse, and those are military industrial contractors, and

519
00:27:34.480 --> 00:27:37.319
he's got to throw meet. They're the ones that pay

520
00:27:37.400 --> 00:27:40.079
the big It costs a billion dollars at least to

521
00:27:40.119 --> 00:27:46.480
become a president. Who's paying those bills. It's huge government contractors.

522
00:27:46.960 --> 00:27:47.759
And you know.

523
00:27:47.799 --> 00:27:56.000
People think missiles and bullets, No Apple, computer, Levi's, Burger King, Starbucks.

524
00:27:56.480 --> 00:28:00.599
These are major military industrial contractors that are on the

525
00:28:00.640 --> 00:28:03.960
government tit and you got to feed them because they

526
00:28:04.000 --> 00:28:05.240
get everybody elected.

527
00:28:05.599 --> 00:28:05.960
Yeah.

528
00:28:06.039 --> 00:28:09.839
Well, and that's exactly right with Trump. Trump has probably

529
00:28:09.880 --> 00:28:13.920
been one of the most independent presidential candidates in our lifetime.

530
00:28:14.680 --> 00:28:20.519
He didn't necessarily rely on corporate money. But unfortunately, the

531
00:28:20.559 --> 00:28:24.039
thing that operates in DC, as you say, are all

532
00:28:24.079 --> 00:28:27.880
these individual interests, these elected officials that are tied to

533
00:28:27.960 --> 00:28:31.960
all these corporations that number one must get re elected.

534
00:28:32.039 --> 00:28:34.880
That is their mission du jour. It is not serving

535
00:28:34.880 --> 00:28:37.839
the American people. It's about getting re elected. So yes,

536
00:28:38.079 --> 00:28:43.240
the hounds of DC are constantly barking around that oval desk.

537
00:28:43.680 --> 00:28:46.759
I wish Americans could have lived with me over the

538
00:28:46.799 --> 00:28:50.440
past ten years. You know, I lived in Saigon, and

539
00:28:50.720 --> 00:28:53.759
Saigon has a higher quality of life than San Francisco.

540
00:28:54.200 --> 00:28:57.680
So my friends in San Francisco say, look at our GDP.

541
00:28:57.880 --> 00:29:01.279
Look at the Vietnamese GDP. They must before we must

542
00:29:01.319 --> 00:29:04.279
be rich. In Vietnam, a girl in a miniskirt can

543
00:29:04.319 --> 00:29:06.160
walk around at two am in the morning.

544
00:29:06.440 --> 00:29:07.720
She's not going to get harrassed.

545
00:29:08.480 --> 00:29:11.559
So, you know, I wish Americans could come with me

546
00:29:12.119 --> 00:29:13.519
to Beijing and Moscow.

547
00:29:14.079 --> 00:29:18.480
Moscow is an art filled, beautiful, safe city.

548
00:29:19.079 --> 00:29:25.279
Beijing, man, they are not stealing federal Express packages off

549
00:29:25.319 --> 00:29:28.559
of people's back porches in Beijing like they are in America.

550
00:29:29.240 --> 00:29:32.920
You know, I wish Americans would look at the system

551
00:29:33.000 --> 00:29:35.559
that we're in and the quality of life.

552
00:29:35.880 --> 00:29:37.400
How's your quality of life?

553
00:29:37.519 --> 00:29:42.440
There's no homelessness in Vietnam. I'm in the island of

554
00:29:42.480 --> 00:29:43.559
Mauritius right now.

555
00:29:43.920 --> 00:29:45.240
This is part of Africa.

556
00:29:45.680 --> 00:29:48.440
I've been here two years, haven't seen a homeless person,

557
00:29:48.759 --> 00:29:49.039
you know.

558
00:29:49.039 --> 00:29:50.839
But what about drug What about drugs?

559
00:29:51.119 --> 00:29:54.680
Well, drugs are everywhere, but not on the street, sleeping

560
00:29:54.720 --> 00:29:56.200
in the street, drugs.

561
00:29:56.000 --> 00:29:57.519
Not being zombied out.

562
00:29:58.039 --> 00:30:00.039
No, no, no, no, no no.

563
00:30:00.720 --> 00:30:03.839
See, Vietnam has the largest military in the world if

564
00:30:03.839 --> 00:30:05.079
you include reserves.

565
00:30:05.240 --> 00:30:05.680
It does.

566
00:30:05.799 --> 00:30:09.319
I can send you the stats, and that military is

567
00:30:09.359 --> 00:30:10.319
watching the border.

568
00:30:10.680 --> 00:30:13.079
So you're an illegal alien or you're bringing in.

569
00:30:13.079 --> 00:30:16.880
Drugs, you're going to talk to the Vietnamese military. So, yeah,

570
00:30:16.920 --> 00:30:20.559
there's some drugs everywhere in the world, but not sleeping

571
00:30:20.640 --> 00:30:21.720
on the street drugs.

572
00:30:21.759 --> 00:30:26.640
And I don't think Vietnam worries about a two tap offensive,

573
00:30:26.759 --> 00:30:30.920
right if they do a second tap on somebody who's

574
00:30:30.960 --> 00:30:33.640
going to try to criminalize their population.

575
00:30:33.319 --> 00:30:35.640
Right, But they're inside the borders.

576
00:30:36.000 --> 00:30:38.960
If you look at Eisenhower and Patent, where did they

577
00:30:39.079 --> 00:30:44.000
spend most of their career inside the United States? Guarding

578
00:30:44.039 --> 00:30:47.759
the American borders, watching the Mexican border.

579
00:30:48.240 --> 00:30:49.960
We should have the US.

580
00:30:49.599 --> 00:30:53.880
Military instead of one thousand bases around the world, we

581
00:30:53.960 --> 00:30:56.960
could have that military up on the Canadian border, up

582
00:30:57.000 --> 00:30:58.279
on the Mexican border.

583
00:30:58.680 --> 00:31:02.359
Shut this drug down, the illegal immigration.

584
00:31:02.000 --> 00:31:05.759
Down have a nice, clean, safe country like the one

585
00:31:05.839 --> 00:31:06.920
you and I grew up in.

586
00:31:07.319 --> 00:31:07.799
Exactly.

587
00:31:08.240 --> 00:31:12.880
No, it's a matter of commitment, and there's no doubt, James,

588
00:31:12.920 --> 00:31:15.880
you and I talked about this before. The nefarious forces

589
00:31:15.920 --> 00:31:18.960
that have come in and have influenced policies in our

590
00:31:19.000 --> 00:31:21.759
country have brought us to this level, and so the

591
00:31:21.799 --> 00:31:24.839
American people need to decide is it worth it? And

592
00:31:25.160 --> 00:31:28.240
as you say, you wish you could take Americans with

593
00:31:28.279 --> 00:31:31.680
you to these other countries and their perception will think, well,

594
00:31:31.799 --> 00:31:34.519
Vietnam's got to be some kind of loser country now,

595
00:31:34.599 --> 00:31:37.279
or you know whatever, and then they go wow, you know,

596
00:31:37.720 --> 00:31:40.519
the women get to walk around late at night and

597
00:31:40.559 --> 00:31:43.599
have a sense of safety. You know, Okay, what's operating

598
00:31:43.759 --> 00:31:46.400
in Vietnam that's not operating here in America. That's a

599
00:31:46.400 --> 00:31:47.000
good point.

600
00:31:47.359 --> 00:31:52.279
So my book Precious Freedom really shows the change in America.

601
00:31:52.720 --> 00:31:55.480
You know, when you and I were kids, we trusted

602
00:31:55.519 --> 00:31:58.759
our government because they basically told us the truth, right,

603
00:31:58.799 --> 00:32:01.920
you know, and we weren't out building this EPI.

604
00:32:02.160 --> 00:32:05.240
We had media also that would hold them accountable to

605
00:32:05.359 --> 00:32:09.359
keep the truth. But unfortunately, the media is surrendered and

606
00:32:10.319 --> 00:32:13.799
they sided with the Democrats and they started they turned

607
00:32:13.799 --> 00:32:15.599
it into a propaganda machine.

608
00:32:15.759 --> 00:32:20.559
Well, it's propaganda. It is definitely propaganda. And you know

609
00:32:20.720 --> 00:32:25.759
in my book, the US Marine Commandant David Shoot Medal

610
00:32:25.759 --> 00:32:29.319
of Honor winner Tarawa says in the book, you know,

611
00:32:29.640 --> 00:32:33.319
the media and the government has convinced Americans that communists

612
00:32:33.400 --> 00:32:38.119
means bad. And he said, that's why everyday communist China,

613
00:32:38.240 --> 00:32:40.240
the CCP, communist China.

614
00:32:40.640 --> 00:32:43.359
Well, I don't know, really, if you look around.

615
00:32:43.079 --> 00:32:46.200
China, go to Shanghai, Beijing, go to these cities I've

616
00:32:46.240 --> 00:32:49.200
been on. I wrote a book about China. Wow, the

617
00:32:49.319 --> 00:32:53.759
quality of life in China, what their money buys, the

618
00:32:53.799 --> 00:32:55.519
safety of the city.

619
00:32:56.000 --> 00:32:57.680
So they have a different system.

620
00:32:58.200 --> 00:33:01.279
Maybe it's not a system that we would like, but

621
00:33:01.839 --> 00:33:03.880
the idea that there's this good.

622
00:33:03.839 --> 00:33:06.440
Results, the results are there, right. Anyway, we got to

623
00:33:06.440 --> 00:33:08.319
go to quick break. We got more from James after this,

624
00:33:08.400 --> 00:33:11.279
stay with us. Welcome back, Bill Martinez here with the

625
00:33:11.680 --> 00:33:17.000
New York Times best selling author of Flags of Our Father.

626
00:33:17.480 --> 00:33:19.880
James Bradley's with us his new book, Precious Freedom. It's

627
00:33:19.920 --> 00:33:24.160
a novel and a great story about Vietnam. I'm telling

628
00:33:24.160 --> 00:33:26.480
you you've got to get your hands on it. It

629
00:33:26.519 --> 00:33:29.839
will enlighten you, and especially you know for Vietnam friends,

630
00:33:30.160 --> 00:33:34.240
Vietnam vets. You know, my friends who served during Vietnam

631
00:33:34.279 --> 00:33:37.799
as I did. I as admittedly as I say, I

632
00:33:37.880 --> 00:33:42.240
didn't go in country. I stayed here bayside, but you

633
00:33:42.240 --> 00:33:45.480
know I was there during the Vietnam era, so I

634
00:33:45.480 --> 00:33:48.400
saw a lot of the residual up close. Not quite

635
00:33:48.440 --> 00:33:51.640
as personal as my brothers did who were in country,

636
00:33:51.960 --> 00:33:55.480
and of course my other friends and other Marines, particularly

637
00:33:55.519 --> 00:33:57.160
because they served in the Marine Corps. But you know

638
00:33:57.200 --> 00:33:59.440
close that includes the Army, everybody else, the Air Force

639
00:33:59.480 --> 00:34:03.759
that was involved as well. But anyway, James continues with us,

640
00:34:04.119 --> 00:34:07.200
and James, as you said, you know, you look at

641
00:34:07.200 --> 00:34:11.079
what you know the Communists have done, and you like

642
00:34:11.159 --> 00:34:14.639
the outcome. But how do you fit what the Communists

643
00:34:14.719 --> 00:34:19.039
have done in terms of outcome with a constitutional democratic republic.

644
00:34:19.280 --> 00:34:23.079
You don't, because they're not communists. They have an emperor's system.

645
00:34:23.480 --> 00:34:27.119
They have a family emperor system, you know, to get

646
00:34:27.119 --> 00:34:31.440
into the Communist party. I mean, how is China communists

647
00:34:31.480 --> 00:34:35.079
when it's creating more billionaires than anybody in the world,

648
00:34:35.320 --> 00:34:37.280
You know what I mean. But I wanted to make

649
00:34:37.320 --> 00:34:40.800
a comment on this, on you talking about the press.

650
00:34:41.280 --> 00:34:44.559
You know, I went back to Vietnam and I interview

651
00:34:44.679 --> 00:34:48.280
people who got shot, you know, by the Americans, fought

652
00:34:48.320 --> 00:34:51.920
the Americans, and they said, oh, welcome, we love Americans.

653
00:34:52.199 --> 00:34:55.000
And I said, you know, I mean I look like

654
00:34:55.079 --> 00:34:57.880
the guy who's shot you. And they said, oh. Uncle

655
00:34:57.960 --> 00:35:01.239
Ho said not to hate the as. I said, how

656
00:35:01.239 --> 00:35:03.480
do you not hate the Americans? They killed your father

657
00:35:03.559 --> 00:35:06.000
and your sister. And they said, oh no, no, no no.

658
00:35:06.480 --> 00:35:11.000
Uncle Ho said the American soldier, we should feel sorry

659
00:35:11.079 --> 00:35:15.679
for him because his government is lying to him. Uncle

660
00:35:15.760 --> 00:35:18.800
Ho said, these soldiers, Americans, they don't want to come

661
00:35:18.840 --> 00:35:22.840
to Vietnam and fight, but the governments line them into Vietnam.

662
00:35:23.280 --> 00:35:26.239
And so we are a victim of the US government

663
00:35:26.320 --> 00:35:29.920
and so are they. So they made an empathy bond

664
00:35:30.039 --> 00:35:31.719
with them. It's unbelievable.

665
00:35:31.920 --> 00:35:33.719
Yeah, if you go.

666
00:35:33.760 --> 00:35:36.400
Back to America, you know, a guy looking like you

667
00:35:36.480 --> 00:35:39.000
and me, we look like the enemy. Oh my god,

668
00:35:39.039 --> 00:35:41.320
we're the most popular foreigner in Vietnam.

669
00:35:41.760 --> 00:35:42.840
Yeah, that's incredible.

670
00:35:43.079 --> 00:35:46.079
But again, you know, I sant people understand here, because

671
00:35:46.119 --> 00:35:48.599
it's not like you're being an advocate for communism, are you?

672
00:35:49.000 --> 00:35:49.840
I mean you are.

673
00:35:50.079 --> 00:35:53.599
No. What I'm saying is it's not communism. We're putting

674
00:35:53.599 --> 00:35:56.519
the name David Shup. The Marines said, we put this

675
00:35:56.599 --> 00:36:00.320
word communism on it. They have an emperor system. It's

676
00:36:00.360 --> 00:36:04.760
an Asian family system. Look back to the emperor system.

677
00:36:05.039 --> 00:36:08.400
So the emperor is the emperor for some reason and

678
00:36:08.559 --> 00:36:13.599
has a bunch of advisors, you know, and then these advisors. Okay, well,

679
00:36:13.639 --> 00:36:17.360
the people have the mandate of heaven. And what that

680
00:36:17.519 --> 00:36:20.440
means is if the emperor is screwing up, if there's

681
00:36:20.599 --> 00:36:23.639
war and poverty and things aren't going right, they can

682
00:36:23.719 --> 00:36:24.400
kick them out.

683
00:36:24.880 --> 00:36:26.679
It's not communist control.

684
00:36:26.760 --> 00:36:31.320
In China what the ruling party with the word communism,

685
00:36:31.360 --> 00:36:33.719
But take that off of there. If you look at

686
00:36:33.719 --> 00:36:35.639
the emperor, the emperor.

687
00:36:35.280 --> 00:36:36.599
Has a deal with his people.

688
00:36:37.000 --> 00:36:40.079
I'll increase your quality of life. I will make more

689
00:36:40.159 --> 00:36:42.760
people come into the middle class. And has ever happened

690
00:36:42.760 --> 00:36:45.079
in the history of the world. I will make the

691
00:36:45.119 --> 00:36:49.599
streets clean. I'll give you four hundred kilometer in our trains.

692
00:36:49.880 --> 00:36:52.000
I'll give you this, I'll give you that, and then

693
00:36:52.039 --> 00:36:55.519
I'll rule. But you'll stay out of politics. My job

694
00:36:55.639 --> 00:36:58.840
is politics. Your job is being a citizen and be

695
00:36:58.920 --> 00:37:02.239
a good citizen. But in America, we think freedom is

696
00:37:02.239 --> 00:37:05.519
the right to stand and yell about the president on

697
00:37:05.599 --> 00:37:09.199
a street corner. But where is it getting us? But anyway,

698
00:37:09.239 --> 00:37:14.880
we have different systems. But China communists. The Vietnamese personal

699
00:37:15.000 --> 00:37:17.880
income doubled in the ten years I was their bill.

700
00:37:18.280 --> 00:37:19.679
That's a communist country.

701
00:37:20.039 --> 00:37:23.280
No, it's an emperor country and it's been run like

702
00:37:23.320 --> 00:37:25.079
it has for thousands of years.

703
00:37:25.599 --> 00:37:26.159
And China.

704
00:37:26.199 --> 00:37:28.239
The same thing with President g is what you're saying

705
00:37:28.599 --> 00:37:32.280
is that we're malinformed.

706
00:37:32.639 --> 00:37:33.880
Let's say, let's put it that way.

707
00:37:33.960 --> 00:37:37.679
You're there on the ground and you've seen it in operations,

708
00:37:37.679 --> 00:37:40.199
so you're telling us something you know different than what

709
00:37:40.360 --> 00:37:43.039
you know. We have come to understand. And like you said,

710
00:37:43.079 --> 00:37:46.599
we've all put it under that title of communism, but

711
00:37:46.679 --> 00:37:47.519
not necessarily.

712
00:37:47.559 --> 00:37:50.800
So I'll tell you a story. My friend one day

713
00:37:51.280 --> 00:37:54.480
came and slammed her fist. We're not going to let

714
00:37:54.559 --> 00:37:56.320
the Chinese take our country.

715
00:37:56.480 --> 00:38:00.239
And I'm like, what what? And then there were riots.

716
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And the police were pushing back the rioters, and they

717
00:38:05.639 --> 00:38:08.239
were flipping police cars over in the middle of Vietnam,

718
00:38:08.639 --> 00:38:09.639
you know, catching them on.

719
00:38:10.159 --> 00:38:12.039
Huge riots all over Vietnam.

720
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Why Because the Hanoi government said to China, you can

721
00:38:16.639 --> 00:38:21.159
have three economic zones and these will be Chinese, and

722
00:38:21.320 --> 00:38:26.079
the Hanoi government agreed. The people rioted, hit the streets,

723
00:38:26.239 --> 00:38:29.760
and guess what, the Hanoi government backed off and said

724
00:38:29.800 --> 00:38:33.039
no to China. So you know there's a mechanism that

725
00:38:33.079 --> 00:38:34.920
they have to listen to their own people.

726
00:38:35.719 --> 00:38:35.960
Yeah.

727
00:38:36.639 --> 00:38:40.039
I saw the riots, Bill, I saw the people demonstrating

728
00:38:40.440 --> 00:38:43.800
they are not shy about telling the government what they think,

729
00:38:43.840 --> 00:38:45.239
and the government better listen.

730
00:38:45.679 --> 00:38:47.840
Yeah, even at the peril of their own lives, as

731
00:38:47.880 --> 00:38:48.800
we've seen at times.

732
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Right.

733
00:38:49.519 --> 00:38:53.840
Well, I mean we're shooting don't you remember Newark? We're

734
00:38:53.880 --> 00:38:56.639
shooting them dead in the street, Bill, I mean, we

735
00:38:57.079 --> 00:39:00.960
got China and Vietnam don't have ice agents all over

736
00:39:01.000 --> 00:39:05.639
the United States. You know, military guys with big Imagine

737
00:39:05.679 --> 00:39:08.679
if we every day you turned on TV and you

738
00:39:08.760 --> 00:39:13.000
saw Beijing with military guys with huge rifles. You know,

739
00:39:13.119 --> 00:39:16.159
you think, oh, that communist system, but we put up

740
00:39:16.199 --> 00:39:17.519
with it. In that's a demo.

741
00:39:17.719 --> 00:39:20.800
I mean, that's a democratic system with troops in the streets.

742
00:39:21.239 --> 00:39:22.320
I don't like me to see that.

743
00:39:22.519 --> 00:39:25.320
I don't like that's because you're right, Because that's because

744
00:39:25.360 --> 00:39:27.519
you didn't do your job in the first place. Because

745
00:39:27.559 --> 00:39:29.400
you didn't do your job in the first place. Now

746
00:39:29.400 --> 00:39:32.360
you're cleaning up after the fact. And here we are,

747
00:39:32.400 --> 00:39:33.920
I mean, the numbers that we've heard in terms of

748
00:39:33.960 --> 00:39:36.880
illegal immigration, I mean it started a ten million, now

749
00:39:36.920 --> 00:39:39.639
it's fifteen. Some are saying, you know, twenty millions, many

750
00:39:39.679 --> 00:39:43.599
twenty million illegal immigrants. These are new immigrants, James, these

751
00:39:43.599 --> 00:39:46.599
aren't you know, this isn't even counting the probably the

752
00:39:46.599 --> 00:39:48.840
twenty five million that we're already here.

753
00:39:49.239 --> 00:39:50.840
So it's just one big hot mess.

754
00:39:50.880 --> 00:39:53.599
But anyway, I want to get back to again what's

755
00:39:53.599 --> 00:39:55.920
going on with Russia and Ukraine, because I read this

756
00:39:55.960 --> 00:40:02.519
morning that Zelensky hasn't even read the peace proposal. And here,

757
00:40:02.760 --> 00:40:05.400
you know, we think we're coming, you know, to the

758
00:40:05.440 --> 00:40:09.480
final chapter of this of this conflict. There's war between

759
00:40:09.559 --> 00:40:12.199
Ukraine and Russia. And as you said, you know, billions

760
00:40:12.199 --> 00:40:14.559
of dollars, not only America three hundred billion, but you

761
00:40:14.599 --> 00:40:17.559
got Europe's billions is well thrown into the mix. And

762
00:40:18.639 --> 00:40:22.760
so you know, it's just unless it gets to the

763
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point where Russia and Zolensky want peace more than Donald Trump,

764
00:40:28.480 --> 00:40:30.559
more than Europe, then you know this is going to

765
00:40:30.599 --> 00:40:31.199
be ongoing.

766
00:40:31.519 --> 00:40:33.719
You know, Zelensky has nothing to do with this.

767
00:40:33.840 --> 00:40:37.400
Zelensky is a cocaine attict who's worried about his mansions

768
00:40:37.400 --> 00:40:41.719
in Miami and Monaco. And Putin is not going to

769
00:40:41.800 --> 00:40:46.719
negotiate with Zelensky. There's no Ukraine. Ukrainian armies on its

770
00:40:46.840 --> 00:40:49.679
last legs. They're taking teenagers off the street.

771
00:40:50.199 --> 00:40:50.440
You know.

772
00:40:50.800 --> 00:40:54.519
Ukraine is a hollowed out mess. And Putin could have

773
00:40:54.559 --> 00:40:57.280
taken all of Ukraine in one day. That's not what

774
00:40:57.360 --> 00:41:00.920
he's interested in. He's interested in that in those Russian

775
00:41:01.000 --> 00:41:05.719
republics right there that became party, Yeah, he wants to

776
00:41:05.760 --> 00:41:09.880
protect them. The Ukrainians were bombing. I had a friend

777
00:41:09.960 --> 00:41:14.679
go into a Ukrainian hotel and the Ukrainians bombed, you know, this.

778
00:41:14.679 --> 00:41:18.840
Russian speaking hotel. I mean, you know.

779
00:41:19.119 --> 00:41:23.199
So it's a long story, but Obama overthrew the Democratic

780
00:41:23.239 --> 00:41:27.400
government in twenty fourteen. This is all CIA to push

781
00:41:27.559 --> 00:41:31.199
NATO up against Russia. Russia said stop or we'll have

782
00:41:31.280 --> 00:41:33.599
to do something. I mean, Bill, if you take a

783
00:41:33.639 --> 00:41:36.079
gun to my front porch, I'll say back off. And

784
00:41:36.119 --> 00:41:39.079
if you don't, you know, so, Russia had to come out.

785
00:41:39.440 --> 00:41:43.079
Russia could have eliminated everybody in Ukraine in one day.

786
00:41:43.400 --> 00:41:46.840
They have hypersonic weapons better than ours that have nuclear

787
00:41:46.880 --> 00:41:51.079
effect without the radiation, but they didn't. They're not interested

788
00:41:51.119 --> 00:41:56.519
in taking Europe. But Europe is imploding financially, and the

789
00:41:56.599 --> 00:42:00.519
European leaders have no excuse, so they're jinny up this

790
00:42:00.679 --> 00:42:03.199
war fever, and that's what they're going to blame it

791
00:42:03.239 --> 00:42:08.519
on the system. The Fiat money system is falling down.

792
00:42:09.000 --> 00:42:11.760
That's the key. And then we're going to go to war,

793
00:42:11.960 --> 00:42:14.599
and the Federal Reserve and all the central banks are

794
00:42:14.639 --> 00:42:17.960
going to say it wasn't our fault we went to war.

795
00:42:18.480 --> 00:42:21.000
So they're going to take everybody's pensions away.

796
00:42:21.960 --> 00:42:24.800
If you have dollars and you don't have gold and silver,

797
00:42:25.000 --> 00:42:28.039
you're in trouble. The stock market's going to go down,

798
00:42:28.400 --> 00:42:30.760
and this is all going to have to be blamed

799
00:42:30.800 --> 00:42:35.760
on war by our incompetent leaders in the West. But

800
00:42:35.840 --> 00:42:38.320
how come this is This isn't happening in the East.

801
00:42:38.760 --> 00:42:40.440
In China, there's deflation.

802
00:42:40.639 --> 00:42:41.360
That's a good point.

803
00:42:41.800 --> 00:42:47.079
Prices prices are going down in China, personal incomes are

804
00:42:47.119 --> 00:42:51.199
going up in Vietnam. The Mercedes and BMW's are popping

805
00:42:51.280 --> 00:42:55.639
up in Vietnam like tulips, you know. But Paris they're rioting.

806
00:42:56.079 --> 00:42:58.239
There were riots all over Germany.

807
00:42:58.360 --> 00:43:00.400
Yesterday. We got American tru hoops. Son.

808
00:43:00.800 --> 00:43:05.159
It's our financial The Western financial system is imploding and

809
00:43:05.199 --> 00:43:06.480
they won't admit it.

810
00:43:06.599 --> 00:43:11.199
Interesting they tune for details. James Bradley number one New

811
00:43:11.280 --> 00:43:14.480
York Times bestselling author of Flags of Our Fathers. His

812
00:43:14.599 --> 00:43:18.320
new book, Precious Freedom, a novel. It is a must read.

813
00:43:18.760 --> 00:43:21.000
And James, thank you so much. You bring so much

814
00:43:21.039 --> 00:43:25.039
to the conversation and experience because you've been there and

815
00:43:25.079 --> 00:43:29.280
you've been on the ground, and it's not theoretical, you've

816
00:43:29.320 --> 00:43:31.320
seen it for yourself, so thank you so much for

817
00:43:31.360 --> 00:43:33.679
sharing it with us. James Bradley, thank you, Take care,

818
00:43:33.920 --> 00:43:46.000
have a great one.