Oct. 27, 2025

The Global Economic Order: Who Really Holds the Power?

The Global Economic Order: Who Really Holds the Power?
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Season 2

Steve Bonta is Publisher of The New American magazine discusses this delicate tension that exists between governments and its citizens or subjects. Our US Constitution galvanized a disparate group of brave pioneers to realize that freedom didn't come from governments but was inherent to our humanity given to us by God Himself. And it's this idea that insults the real oligarchs and elites that exist only to claim their entitled power and control at all costs.

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Well, hello, glad you could join us. I'm Bill Martinez

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and Boil. A lot on the docket and a lot

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to talk about. We're going to have Steve Bonta, the

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publisher of the New American magazine up in just a

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moment to talk about the global the global economic order.

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Who really holds the power? You know, a lot of

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dark money flying around, and I think routinely people have said, oh,

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it's George Soros's fault. Well, I think George Soros is

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just only a piece of the puzzle. There's lots of

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dark money that's flying around that is doing everything they

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can to deconstruct the United States of America. And this

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shouldn't be new. I mean, as soon as America became

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a nation, what we did was we turned the whole

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global order on its head. It wasn't about czars, it

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wasn't about kings, it wasn't about the traditional governmental apparatic.

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This was a whole different idea. They took the pyramid,

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the construct of the I guess what you would say,

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the traditional work pyramid where you would have the CEO

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on top and then it would go all the way

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down to the minions. Well, our founding father said no,

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we're going to let the minions be in charge. There's

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going to be a government of for and buy we

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the people. Well that was the revolutionary you know, when

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did that ever happen? Where did that come up? And

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that really threatened the whole global even then the global

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economic order. And here it is. For two hundred and

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fifty years almost there have been attacks on this country

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to undermine and here we are at this point, at

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this at this dawn of this new era where you're

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looking at what's happening in New York where you've got

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an admitted democratic socialist and don't be fooled by the

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name democratic Okay, it's socialist. That's it's socialism, which is,

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you know, on the road to communism. That's what it's

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all about. History has pointed that time and time again.

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So it's just a very euphemistic way to say communism.

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But forget about the like I said, forget about democratic

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that's just all that's just window dressing. That's not what

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it's all about. And again, all you have to do

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is listen to what Mamdani is offering. And it's straight

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from the playbook state from minkanf you know, the communist manifesto.

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And we have been saying all along, well, all that's

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fine and well, but when are we the people going

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to compare it with I believe the greatest document that

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have liberated men and that have created more prosperity than

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any other form of government in the history of mankind,

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and that is our US Constitution. How does Mam Donnie's

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constitution square up with our constitution? Does it add or

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take away? Well, clearly it takes away. I mean starting

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with property. You know again, that's the tradition of the

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socialism and communism is that you don't own anything. And

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of course this was doubted from the rafters by the

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World Economic Forum. You know Klaus Schwab who said you

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will by twenty thirty, you will own nothing, and you'll

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like it. I mean he could have almost said it

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with a German accent, I think and sound like you know,

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member of Sergeant Schultz. You know you will like it.

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But I mean you've got to really suspend a lot

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of tradition and success in order to come to that point. So,

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like all regimes that have done this, they first, you know,

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make it seem nice because they want to get a

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segment of the community moving in that direction. And then

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for anybody else that resists, well then you know, we

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have ways to get you to comport right. I mean,

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this is nothing new. I mean maybe for these new kids,

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new kids who are growing up into this, they may

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think that it's new, but look, there's enough history and

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hopefully they would look into their history books. Or even then,

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I mean, with all the AI that's around and how

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efficient they have become and utilizing AI, do some research

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and find out for themselves. You know what this all

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leads to. It leads to shared misery, It leads to

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anything but what they told you they were going to do.

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I mean We've already had government run grocery stores in

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Kansas and it didn't last long. In fact, you saw

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the shelves. I remember when I saw the shelves. This

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was before they went out of business. And they'll wonder

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the people there in Kansas were complaining about it because

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all there was was just literally one package of hot

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talk buns on the shelf. That was it. I mean,

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that should have told you everything there is to know

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about government run grocery stores. But Mamdani, like all other

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socialists and communists, you know, you just didn't have enough time,

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didn't have money. You know, of course we wouldn't do

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it that way. It would be different. Well, it's never different.

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It always ends up in the same place where it

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becomes bankrupt and inefficient and very painful for those that

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are served by this type of government. And you know,

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on one hand, you know, the Republicans are saying, oh,

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we had to you know, we had a champion, you know,

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went a championis and think, oh, this is going to

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be great because this is going to be pined the

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tail on the donkey, and you know, use Mamdannie as

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kind of the poster child of the Democratic Party. I mean,

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the Democratic Party is in a total there's no question.

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I mean, I feel for those Democrats who are moderate

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and reasonable, and they're probably wondering, what the heck where

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do I go? You know, I don't see myself as

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a Republican and myself as a Democrat, but I don't

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see myself as this Democratic party. And this is why

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so many are leaving, whether it's Tulsea Gabbert or RFK

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Junior and on and on. And there's millions of people

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across the country who have done so. And I'm saying,

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look it, let's go back and remember what our first

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president said when he was talking about party factions, that

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it would not be positive for our unity, it would

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be problematic. And I don't know, I mean, maybe this

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could possibly head to a situation of where, you know,

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we realize that partisanship is not in our best interest.

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It's argumentative. I mean, if you want to have argument

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all the time, I guess you know, hey, I have parties,

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have the Red Shirts and the Green Shirts. You know,

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have this competitive issue going on. But if it's about

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America and America's people, and we're in it for the

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common interests of one another, regardless of your perception. And

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by that I mean, you know, again, using the Constitution

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as a litmus test. If we all agree that that

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is our constitution, we better but we say, hey, this

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is it, then that's what we look at. Any idea,

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any policy that comes in, anybody deciding we're going to

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open up the borders and just let millions of people

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come in illegally, does it add or take away from

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the Constitution? Does providing healthcare for illegal immigrants? Does it

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add or take away, you know from the Constitution. Having

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a level playing field to where commerce can be conducted

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in a way that is fair and even handed. Does

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that add or take away from the US Constitution? Does

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having a system where you can utilize the treasury and

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tax money to buy votes? Does it add or take

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away from the Constitution? Having rigged elections where people are

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unsure that the voting machines are qualified and that they

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are operating efficiently. Does this add or take away you

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know from the Constitution? Just you know, go right on

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down the line here, ladies and gentlemen. And if we

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ignore the Constitution and think that especially socialists or somebody

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else who has has no promise, has no you know,

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no loyalty to the Constitution. And this is the thing

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that still beguiles me is I'm wondering how some of

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these ideologues who seem to be so dispossessed of the

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Constitution can take an oath of office. You know, if

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you can't take an oath of office swearing your allegiance

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to the constitutionists to serve and protect we the people

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and our national interests, you know, what is it? Or

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maybe you just slide yourself and say, oh, it's okay

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in the in the uh uh, in the reason of

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what they the Muslims call takia, that it's okay to

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lie if it if it meets meets the end goal.

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Well wait a minute, you know that's that's a that's

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a breach of trust. You know, we we can't be untrustworthy.

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I mean, if that's the case, then am I supposed

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to be driving my car and have a lack of

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trust that you see a red signal and you're you're

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not going to stop at it? I mean, it comes

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down it's that basic, right. This is what we're faced

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with today, ladies and gentlemen. And you know, again, we've

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got to get back to those traditions and those issues

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that are are really important. We have Steve Bonta joining

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us now, and uh, you know, I want to bring

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him on. Steve Bonta, as I mentioned, is the publisher

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of the New American magazine. Hey, Steve, welcome to show.

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Good to have you with us.

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Hey Bill, good to be here. How are you.

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Hey, I'm doing terrific. You know, we're trying to lay

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down the foundation of this global economic order and who

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really holds the power. You know, there's a lot of

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report about dark money out there. We want to blame

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George Soros for everything, but it's deeper than that, isn't it.

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Well, yeah, yeah it is. I mean in the sense

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that it goes back quite a few generations, you know,

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the state of affairs. George Soros is certainly a power player,

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so as you mentioned Klaus Schwab earlier on and others

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like that who perhaps are not as well known. But yeah,

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I mean, it's it's kind of the way things are.

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I wanted to point out though, that all is not lost.

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I mean, the elections in Argentina on Sunday were just

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a resounding rebuke of global power brokers for the most part.

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I mean, everyone myself included kind of expected the Javier

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and Milat and his freedom movement, we're going to be

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set back. That the Socialists were poised to make a

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comeback and instead they got routed. So you know, so

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they are beatable. But you know, one of the significant

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things is that they changed the voting. Back in September

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they had votes in Buenos Aires Province. Is that there

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is just a map voting around in the Argentine Facebook

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shows that, you know, all the districts in Buenos Aires

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Province back in in September all voted for the piRNAs,

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the Socialists, and now fifty days later, five zero, less

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than two months later, they're all they've changed it so

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they have to vote with a paper ballot and they

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have poll watchers and everything else else. They enforced the

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voting laws and suddenly mirapol aidic to they're all voting

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overwhelmingly for Formulae and the pro freedom you know movement.

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So you know, obviously, you know, vote voter control is

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something we've talked a lot about here in the United States. Exact,

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you know, they've taken advantage of obviously the fact that

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it's all now computerized and people to the early voting,

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and I mean that that's a major lever of control.

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It's wielded not just by venal Democrats and you know,

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local ward healers and that sort of thing. People tend

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to think it's you know, it's a local thing, but

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it's really, you know that something else is being pushed

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by George Soros and his ill his ascendency over the

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voting system. Because control the votes, you can control who

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gets into office exactly anyway, So that was a little

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piece of good news I wanted to make sure you

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didn't pass up on because.

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No, no, thank you for bringing that up. No, not

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at all. And you know that's that's a bright sign

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and something that here in the United States we should

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draw encouragement from. I mean, you know, we've done a

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lot of research on this, going back to Jimmy Carter

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and you know, the mail in ballots, all this stuff

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that's going on. What we've experienced in twenty twenty, I mean,

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still rest musen they're pulling indicates that the majority of

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Americans do not have trust in the system as it

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stands right now.

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Steve Yes, but of course we're all paranoid, we're all delusional.

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There's no evidence that anything you know, untoured happened in

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twenty twenty. And so for I mean, you know, the

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narrative is unbelievably persistent. Nobody listens. I mean, I mean,

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most people reject it out of hand. And we saw that,

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you know, there's literally no way that Biden got you know,

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eighty one million people to vote for him in twenty twenty.

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But they were able to take advantage of this unique

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convergence of circumstances, you know, paranoia over COVID and all

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of the you know, the sudden and oftentimes illicit changes

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to the electoral laws, like what happened in Pennsylvania was done,

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was done extra constitutionally. They changed the laws so people

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could use these drop boxes and all this, and and

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you know, the socialists are nothing if not clever and resourceful.

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When they see an opportunity to seize power, to preserve power,

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they take it.

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And I think that, you know, frankly, I think that

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Denish Jesuza's you know, documentary film showed how they did

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it pretty exactly.

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there's lots of evidence out there, and there's been some

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smart people Danish desuza. Uh, just one of many that

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have demonstrated time and again how this could have happened.

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But the courts are not interested in taking this topic up.

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You know, our Congress is not interested in doing it,

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you know, because it served the interests of the Democratic Party.

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They got the results they wanted. The challenge for them

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going forward is can they continue to pull this ruse

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over the eyes of the electorate.

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No, and of course you know the argument that they

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used to get it again to avoid the question because

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no one wanted to deal with it back in twenty twenty,

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twenty twenty one. You have no standing, therefore we're going

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to dismiss it. Okay, well, then who does has standing?

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I mean that begs the question. So are you saying,

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in effect that there exists a class of crimes, namely

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electoral manipulation, where nobody really has standing to do anything

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about it, you know, unless you can prove, well, they

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stole my dead mother's name and they use it that

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kind of those sorts of trivial things. Maybe you know,

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they'll allow prosecution, but you know, systematic corruption apparently nobody

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has standing, so the courts won't do anything about it,

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and this, this, this becomes you know, very difficult in practice.

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So I think the salutary lesson is that in spite

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of the undoubted power and entrenchment of the globalists, it

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is possible. I mean, if if Argentina can fight back,

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we sure as he came here in the United States, However,

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we're gonna have to get our electoral house in order

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between now and next November's, you know, November of next

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year's elections, because if the if, if, if the if,

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the broad capacity to cheat in in critical swing states

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and even in non swing states continues to exist, cheat,

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they will and they'll probably get the you know, the

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results that they want because it's a midterm election. But

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Argentina's elections were midterm elections too, and people thought, oh, well,

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no one's going to turn out. And then Argentina and

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you know, and Milay went out. He's very clever guy.

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He went out into the slogan he said, he went

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to this, you know, uh la Liberta Albano or Argentina retrose,

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which means liberty will advance or Argentina will go backwards.

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and that that really resonated with the gen Z types

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in Argentina, and you know, so so voting can be

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a powerful tool, a powerful check against these people, including

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you know, all the propaganda, all the AI, all the

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you know, they're ascendency over finance and everything we've talked

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about before in your show, you know, the Fiat money,

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everything else that they do in theory can be put

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to naught if the voice of the people is loud enough,

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if people you know to do it. But you know,

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to do that, you have to make sure that the

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bad guys can't cheat. And that's gonna be a tall order.

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And the thing is, Steve, I mean, look at where

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America is now compared to where we were a year ago.

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I mean there's a huge contrast here. And yes, the

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media is continuing on beating their drum, doing everything they

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can to malign this president, whether it's a ballroom or

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you know, name it. I mean, they just cannot help themselves.

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They're just so enraged over everything that is Donald Trump,

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and everything that is Donald Trump for the most part,

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is benefiting the American people.

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I go through the the Google News aggregator. And you

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can just go down and look at every Trump's story,

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and every single one, with the occasion, with the exception

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of the occasional Fox News story exception of that, every

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single one is negative. Every headline, you know, it's it's

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always Trump did this, but you know, and there's always

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a butt, you know, but he also I forget what

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the lay of there. There they were, they were producing

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his speech in Malaysia the other day or yesterday and

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everything else. You know, well, you know, Trump met with

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you know, the prime minister, Prime Minister Ibraham and Malaysia.

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But he made a fool of himself and he he

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talked to you know, the prime min the King of Thailand,

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the Prime Minister of Cambodia. But you know, he was

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clearly making it all about himself. You know, they can

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never give him credit for anything domestic beforren. It's remarkable

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I've never seen. But people I think are just tuning

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it out of this point. And the fact is most

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people don't get their news from you know, the Wall

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Street Journal Cy and NCNBC, Bloomberg and so forth. They

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get it from people like you.

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Right well, Steve, thank you, and also the New American

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because we're both admitted to pursuing the truth no matter

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where it leads. And the thing is that the people

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need to stay engaged. They may disengage from the mainstream media.

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That good on them, but you need to still stay

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engaged because this is a government of for and by we,

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the people. Otherwise it becomes a government of for and

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by the elites. And this is how we got to

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to this, you know, this great thirty eight trillion dollars

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in debt situation that we're living under right now, right.

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grounds for optimism and maybe a Generational Thing bill, because

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what we have now is we have the it's a

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gen Z phenomenon. So the gen Z is kind of

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like the first generation that's grown up worthy where their

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entire world is defined by unfettered access information via the Internet.

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of things already. Of the Argentine elections of the Lais,

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it was the gen Zers that supported Malayia, that that

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voted for him. He calls him his leones, his lions,

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lions of liberty, you know, and then and they go

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out but a few months ago. It was in Katmandu

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and Nepal where where the gen Zers responded to an

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attempt by the by the communist government there by their

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longtime communist dictator to shut down the internet a la China, right,

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turned out and had this this joyous protest, and like

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eighty of them got shot down and killed, but they

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persisted anyway, and finally the guy fled the country and

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Nepal still has problems, but at least isn't run by

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a communist dictator anymore, you know. So one sees this

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this kind of thing, and they're they're elsewhere in the world,

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you know, they're just stirrings of discontent were more and more,

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I mean gen Z regardless of what ethnicity language they speak,

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they're all aware of the fact that all around the world,

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you know, people are supposed to have unfettered access to

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the internet and and and and where that falls short,

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you know. So, so I think that that that really

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is leading to just a generational change what we're seeing.

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media failed to understand that the old days of the

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you know, the Dan Rathers and people like this telling

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us what to think, right, defining the Overton window, and

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we all more or less fall in lining, except for

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a few outliers who think for themselves. But we don't

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care about them because they never elect anyone anyway. Now,

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everybody thinks like your kooky uncle who lives in a

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who lives in a you know, out in the mountains

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or something like that. Everybody has that, you know, that

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mindset now, and it's great, but because it's similar to

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the mindset of the American you know, the people who

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set up the United States. I mean, if you there's

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a wonderful book published, oh by the what was his name,

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Bernard Balin. He was a historian at Harvard University, and

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it was called The Ideological Origins of American Founders. I

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read it years ago, and it was a very frank

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account of the American Founders. And we tend to think

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of all these these stayed intellectual, really smart guys, you know,

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like they were all conspiracy theorists playing to bail. And

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you know, he says, he says, one thing you find

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when you look at the founder the earth, they were

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all seeing conspiracies everywhere and sinister plots, and they were

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just just reflexively cynical and skeptical about everything they were

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told by the crown, by the government. And so, you know,

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I think we've kind of come we kind of come

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back to that. And it's probably the Internet we have

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to thank for that that people now are just reflexively

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skeptical again and saying, no, you know, don't talk to

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me about the COVID vaccines. You know, I don't want

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to hear about the twenty twenty elections. I don't want

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to hear about the J sixers because it's all bs

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what they're telling me, you know. And and this seems

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to be again it's not a fringe thing anymore. It's

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you know, it's everybody and and you know, the mainstream Musa.

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We've got to we've got to get things back to

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the way they were when when when I was young,

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and people believe, you know, people's way of thing was respectable,

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you know, uh, they they respected their betters and and

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all this, Well that that's that's gone.

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Yeah, Well the betters uh broke trust with the zers

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and that's really and yes, I mean you look at

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what happened with COVID. You look at what happened, you know,

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with the twenty twenty election, the J six ers. I mean,

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we're still trying to figure out who the heck killed JFK. Steve.

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Yeah, well, I mean I find it reassuring because in

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my generation, I'm almost sixty two years old, I was

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always kind of one of those guys that people would

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edge away from, you know, I start talking about how

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the Federal Reserve. Oh that's Steve. He's a little bit

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he's the crazy uncle. You know. Now everybody's like that,

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And I sort of part of me wishes I were

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forty years younger, because I would probably fit in a

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lot better with the gen Zers than I do with

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my own state and relative in my own generation. I

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don't know, but I think our generations, I really am.

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Well, I am too, and I think our generation still

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needs to come alongside the ziers to help them to

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where they don't waste energy. Yes, and this is what

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our experience, what we can bring to the table here

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and complement this effort to where we maximize this uh

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to the point that we you know, the the endgame

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is what we all want, and that's a better America

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for all Americans, right.

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And without violence. I mean that's the key. And the

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amazing thing is that for all of the you know,

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the doom saying oh we're headed towards the civil war

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and so forth, I mean, yeah, there is conflict and

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there may be some more to come. I mean, the

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left is not going to give up its grip on power.

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But by and large, I mean I'm surprised that we've

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made so much progress in the right direction with comparatively

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little violence. Yeah, you know, we may yet get through

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this thing without the country tearing itself apart. And that's

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that that I find very encouraging. Well, people have to

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stand fast, you know, they have to.

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But you're right, I mean the violence is still here.

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I mean, let's let's not delude ourselves. I mean, you know,

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we used to always think, particularly with you know, violence

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targeted toward people of faith. I mean we used to

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always say, oh, well, the Christian persecution is happening overseas,

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and you know, you read about it, you know, in

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all kinds of different publications, Voice of the Martyrs and

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on and on, but not here in America. But look

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what's happened in this year. I mean we have a

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lot of shootings of Christian churches and synagogues, and this

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is I say a lot. I mean more than we're

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used to. And and you know, this is something that

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we need to we need to be mindful of because

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and I've been very sensitive about the rhetoric and the

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language is coming out, especially from our elected officials. These

459
00:24:33.279 --> 00:24:36.000
are the leaders of the country talking about people being

460
00:24:36.160 --> 00:24:40.480
Nazis and you know, in Hitler and things like this.

461
00:24:40.480 --> 00:24:44.799
This is all this all conditions the ground and the

462
00:24:44.920 --> 00:24:48.720
environment to do some crazy stuff. I mean, you know,

463
00:24:48.720 --> 00:24:51.960
the murdering of Charlie Kirk, give me a break. And

464
00:24:52.079 --> 00:24:54.960
I say that. I don't say that flippantly. I say

465
00:24:54.960 --> 00:24:59.279
it that because of this language, and especially after it,

466
00:24:59.319 --> 00:25:02.920
the language just it was almost like, Okay, we paused

467
00:25:02.920 --> 00:25:06.559
for a minute. He was assassinated, you know, maybe we

468
00:25:06.880 --> 00:25:09.599
saw his funeral on TV, and then it was like, oh,

469
00:25:09.759 --> 00:25:11.680
just can't wait to get back to business as usual.

470
00:25:11.960 --> 00:25:14.480
Yeah, well, but here's the good thing. And you know,

471
00:25:14.519 --> 00:25:17.400
if Charlie wherever Charlie is now, I think he probably

472
00:25:17.400 --> 00:25:19.920
sees it this way. You know, that event was a

473
00:25:20.000 --> 00:25:24.000
terrible thing. Sure, galvanized people didn't it, Oh it did.

474
00:25:24.160 --> 00:25:26.000
It's a lot of people because you know, the problem

475
00:25:26.079 --> 00:25:28.279
is that people on the right, we're on the right,

476
00:25:28.759 --> 00:25:30.720
big are and little are tend to want to be

477
00:25:30.839 --> 00:25:32.680
nice to everybody. They tend to want to do the

478
00:25:32.759 --> 00:25:35.400
Christian thing right, right, I mean, because that's just not

479
00:25:35.480 --> 00:25:38.000
all of us are Christians necessarily, but I say the

480
00:25:38.039 --> 00:25:41.079
overwhelming majority are in some sense, you know, and we

481
00:25:41.160 --> 00:25:44.240
believe in turning the other cheek and loving your enemies

482
00:25:44.240 --> 00:25:47.559
and all this type of thing, and that it's it's

483
00:25:47.599 --> 00:25:50.960
difficult to maintain that attitude and also be militant in

484
00:25:51.000 --> 00:25:52.680
the sense of saying, but I'm not going to give

485
00:25:52.839 --> 00:25:55.960
on certain things, right, Sometimes I'm just not going to

486
00:25:56.279 --> 00:25:57.960
not going to give any ground on I mean, I

487
00:25:57.960 --> 00:25:59.759
think and again, if you look at the Founding era

488
00:26:00.279 --> 00:26:02.960
as the example, you see the same mentality. The Founders

489
00:26:03.000 --> 00:26:07.000
did not want war with the British. Even after Lexington

490
00:26:07.079 --> 00:26:09.680
conquered in the Siege of Boston, there was still you know,

491
00:26:09.720 --> 00:26:11.799
they they kind of hoped there was a way out

492
00:26:11.799 --> 00:26:14.359
of it, but ultimately obviously didn't go in that direction.

493
00:26:16.000 --> 00:26:18.079
But they had certain red lines, as we would say,

494
00:26:18.079 --> 00:26:20.359
I mean, I mean, they they they loved the English,

495
00:26:20.559 --> 00:26:22.200
most of them were very much they were all Anglo

496
00:26:22.240 --> 00:26:24.039
files they didn't want to fight with some other country.

497
00:26:24.039 --> 00:26:27.160
They they realized the debt that they owed to England,

498
00:26:27.279 --> 00:26:29.720
the common law and John Locke and all the rest

499
00:26:29.720 --> 00:26:31.599
of this stuff. You know, it's not like it, but

500
00:26:31.599 --> 00:26:33.759
but but there were certain things that they weren't going

501
00:26:33.799 --> 00:26:37.279
to allow the English to do. And one was to

502
00:26:37.279 --> 00:26:40.119
disarm them, right exactly. They weren't They're not that that

503
00:26:40.200 --> 00:26:42.319
was a line they were not willing to cross. And

504
00:26:42.400 --> 00:26:45.359
obviously beyond a certain point, they weren't willing to accept

505
00:26:45.400 --> 00:26:49.200
taxation without representation either. And uh and that that you know,

506
00:26:49.359 --> 00:26:53.680
so and and one could could go on. So you know,

507
00:26:53.680 --> 00:26:56.599
it's very clear. People like Benjamin Franklin were very much

508
00:26:56.599 --> 00:26:59.119
in Nathaniel Green. You know, they were they were late

509
00:26:59.119 --> 00:27:00.880
comers to the war. They didn't want you know, they

510
00:27:00.920 --> 00:27:04.359
were not men of violence. Some of them, maybe like

511
00:27:04.400 --> 00:27:06.599
Samuel Adams, had a different take on it, you know

512
00:27:06.960 --> 00:27:09.799
exactly they were itching for a fight, you know, but

513
00:27:10.279 --> 00:27:12.119
you know, by and large, you know the view. You know,

514
00:27:12.119 --> 00:27:14.680
they kind of knew what what that would mean. So

515
00:27:14.880 --> 00:27:17.480
I mean, I think we you know, we hue to

516
00:27:17.519 --> 00:27:20.039
that example of being resolute. You know, there's certain lines

517
00:27:20.039 --> 00:27:22.079
that we're not going to cross like allow ourselves to

518
00:27:22.079 --> 00:27:24.720
be completely disarmed and all this sort of thing. But

519
00:27:24.880 --> 00:27:27.880
right now, you know, where the question of the Second

520
00:27:27.880 --> 00:27:30.000
Amendments concern. We're moving in the right direction, aren't we.

521
00:27:30.279 --> 00:27:31.839
I mean, we're seeing over the course of the last

522
00:27:31.839 --> 00:27:35.160
twenty years, you know, state after state after state adopting

523
00:27:35.200 --> 00:27:38.519
constitutional carry. I think Florida was the latest just recently.

524
00:27:39.000 --> 00:27:41.880
And you know, it's it's happening, and it's happening without

525
00:27:41.880 --> 00:27:44.160
people having to take up arms and do all this

526
00:27:44.200 --> 00:27:47.119
sort of thing. So it's very encouraging. Right we seem

527
00:27:47.200 --> 00:27:50.400
to be a you know, bit by bit, election by election,

528
00:27:51.119 --> 00:27:53.119
you know, and so so the death of Charlie Kirk,

529
00:27:53.160 --> 00:27:56.559
the martyrdom of Charlie Kirk was I mean and sometimes

530
00:27:56.559 --> 00:28:00.720
a terrible event, but it's being turned into a positive thing,

531
00:28:00.759 --> 00:28:03.240
I think because people are realizing, okay, you know, we

532
00:28:03.240 --> 00:28:05.880
can still love our enemies without being squishy and nice,

533
00:28:06.119 --> 00:28:09.680
you know, right exactly.

534
00:28:08.559 --> 00:28:10.880
Well, and I think we were realizing in the process

535
00:28:10.960 --> 00:28:15.200
that you know, freedom isnt free, and and and the

536
00:28:15.240 --> 00:28:19.680
other thing in terms of my Christian brothers and sisters is,

537
00:28:19.759 --> 00:28:22.000
as the Word of God says, there's a time for

538
00:28:22.079 --> 00:28:25.920
war and a time for peace. And my takeaway in

539
00:28:26.000 --> 00:28:28.759
that of that verse is that you better know the difference,

540
00:28:29.279 --> 00:28:32.000
because if you don't know the difference, you could be overwhelmed.

541
00:28:32.279 --> 00:28:34.559
And it's hard. You're exactly right, I mean, Christians want

542
00:28:34.599 --> 00:28:38.480
to turn the other cheek. We we're peace loving because

543
00:28:38.759 --> 00:28:43.559
we reflect and and have a moral value and consideration

544
00:28:43.759 --> 00:28:47.640
for life. That is that is unique, you know, to

545
00:28:47.720 --> 00:28:48.640
our to our faith.

546
00:28:48.680 --> 00:28:52.200
I have to remember, war doesn't necessarily mean shooting war. Right,

547
00:28:52.920 --> 00:28:55.680
the world has been in a state of war since

548
00:28:55.720 --> 00:28:58.960
the fall of Adam and Eve, yes evil. It's an

549
00:28:59.000 --> 00:29:02.319
eternal conflict in some ways, right, you know, started in

550
00:29:02.359 --> 00:29:04.960
the heavens, right and uh and and so that the

551
00:29:05.079 --> 00:29:08.039
continuation of that, and it's largely fought in the the

552
00:29:08.119 --> 00:29:11.960
arena of ideas and words. But even there, you know,

553
00:29:12.160 --> 00:29:15.519
you can choose to be resolute and an unapologetic defender

554
00:29:15.519 --> 00:29:18.279
of liberty, or you can be squishy. Yes, right, let's

555
00:29:18.279 --> 00:29:20.079
I'll just get you know. And so so that's the

556
00:29:20.160 --> 00:29:22.200
thing and and and the beauty of it. No blood

557
00:29:22.200 --> 00:29:25.799
need necessarily be shed. Uh And and I mean Harley

558
00:29:25.839 --> 00:29:28.200
Kurt never shed anyone's blood, and yet he had he

559
00:29:28.240 --> 00:29:32.880
did have a tremendous impact just because he was bold, right.

560
00:29:33.039 --> 00:29:35.839
And right exactly. Well, and you and you talk about

561
00:29:35.920 --> 00:29:39.920
the power of of the First Amendment, and I still

562
00:29:39.920 --> 00:29:41.480
and you and I talked about this before.

563
00:29:42.160 --> 00:29:42.319
Uh.

564
00:29:42.799 --> 00:29:46.279
I think the single figure that really opened up the

565
00:29:46.279 --> 00:29:49.000
gates for us to be able to uh kind of

566
00:29:49.000 --> 00:29:52.599
calm things down and allow for free speech was one

567
00:29:52.680 --> 00:29:55.079
Elon Musk in the purchase of of Twitter.

568
00:29:55.400 --> 00:29:55.960
That helped me.

569
00:29:56.400 --> 00:30:00.680
It was huge. What what he did, you know, for America?

570
00:30:01.160 --> 00:30:05.359
And I just I'm so grateful and I will always

571
00:30:05.400 --> 00:30:08.559
be grateful for what he did in restoring and bringing

572
00:30:08.640 --> 00:30:11.559
us back to our founding But you know, you talk

573
00:30:11.599 --> 00:30:16.319
about our founding fathers and how they were struggling with

574
00:30:16.440 --> 00:30:21.200
this new concept, and I don't imagine that initially they

575
00:30:21.319 --> 00:30:25.119
galvanized around freedom. I think freedom was a byproduct of

576
00:30:25.160 --> 00:30:28.759
this whole process, and they realized that the ultimate calling

577
00:30:29.119 --> 00:30:32.640
that we could have was to be free. And that

578
00:30:32.880 --> 00:30:36.960
really galvanized, I believe, and you know, brought you know,

579
00:30:37.000 --> 00:30:39.880
people together to where they realized, Okay, you know, we

580
00:30:40.000 --> 00:30:42.920
love the mother country. We really don't want to do this,

581
00:30:43.119 --> 00:30:44.799
but for the sake of freedom.

582
00:30:45.279 --> 00:30:49.079
Well, and you know, we have over several generations sort

583
00:30:49.079 --> 00:30:53.039
of unlearned that lesson. You know, it's the economy stupid,

584
00:30:53.559 --> 00:30:57.599
it's security stupid, whatever happens to be. And you know,

585
00:30:57.680 --> 00:31:00.400
I mean, people have a right to expect the government

586
00:31:00.440 --> 00:31:04.039
provide a modicum of security and and economic stability, to

587
00:31:04.119 --> 00:31:08.480
be sure, but freedom is a rallying cry unlike any other.

588
00:31:09.000 --> 00:31:13.079
And I actually I watched Javier Milay, the Argentine presidents,

589
00:31:13.599 --> 00:31:16.000
speech to his supporters last night. The results of the

590
00:31:16.000 --> 00:31:19.880
election were I think far exceeded even Malay's expectations, and

591
00:31:19.920 --> 00:31:22.279
he tends to be pretty pretty optimistic. One of the

592
00:31:22.319 --> 00:31:25.200
things he said was, we are now going to make

593
00:31:25.400 --> 00:31:28.359
Argentina the freest country in the world. And so because

594
00:31:28.400 --> 00:31:31.200
that's what our strength is is in freedom. And he

595
00:31:31.279 --> 00:31:34.359
went on in that vein the rapturous applause of the

596
00:31:34.359 --> 00:31:37.839
people in the in the room, and you know, that's

597
00:31:38.039 --> 00:31:41.640
really what it's about. People do rally around the standard

598
00:31:41.680 --> 00:31:42.160
of liberty.

599
00:31:42.519 --> 00:31:44.880
Well, and what he and what he's realized, and of

600
00:31:44.880 --> 00:31:48.000
course their country not that long ago was oppressed. They

601
00:31:48.039 --> 00:31:51.519
were so far away from freedom and now they're beginning

602
00:31:51.559 --> 00:31:56.240
to realize this and they're unleashing this natural resource within

603
00:31:56.319 --> 00:31:59.880
the embodiment of the people. There in their home kin

604
00:32:00.680 --> 00:32:03.359
and America should look at that as an example to say,

605
00:32:03.400 --> 00:32:06.640
look at with the history, the rich tradition and everything

606
00:32:06.640 --> 00:32:10.000
that we have, seems if we could have I know,

607
00:32:10.119 --> 00:32:13.759
we talk in terms of a revival in a religious

608
00:32:14.039 --> 00:32:17.039
sense all the time, but if we could have a

609
00:32:17.119 --> 00:32:22.400
revival in terms of you know, our founding and our

610
00:32:22.519 --> 00:32:26.480
values that we enjoyed some two hundred and fifty years

611
00:32:26.519 --> 00:32:31.359
ago and unleashed the GDP of three hundred and fifty

612
00:32:31.400 --> 00:32:36.079
million Americans, whoof man, there there'd be a lot of

613
00:32:36.079 --> 00:32:37.200
fun that we'd have.

614
00:32:37.640 --> 00:32:39.480
Oh yeah, yeah, I mean, I mean, nothing's going to

615
00:32:39.480 --> 00:32:42.720
stop us now if that happens. I Mean the problem is, though,

616
00:32:43.079 --> 00:32:46.039
we still have to sort out a few things. So,

617
00:32:46.440 --> 00:32:48.839
I mean, freedom got a black eye back in the

618
00:32:49.039 --> 00:32:51.640
you know, during the sexual Revolution and the drugs and

619
00:32:51.640 --> 00:32:56.039
stuff of the sixties and seventies because the people who

620
00:32:56.079 --> 00:33:01.839
who prosecuted that particular that particular campaign, so to speak,

621
00:33:02.279 --> 00:33:04.720
the culture War, did it under the banner of freedom.

622
00:33:04.759 --> 00:33:08.359
They you know, the Woodcock Wolodcock, the wood would Stock Festival. Yes,

623
00:33:08.799 --> 00:33:11.359
Woodcock's a bird, but the Woodstock Festival was carried out

624
00:33:11.400 --> 00:33:13.079
under the battle. It was you know, greater freedom and

625
00:33:13.119 --> 00:33:15.079
you know, sex, drugs and rock and roll. It's all

626
00:33:15.119 --> 00:33:17.960
about freedom, you know, it's all you need is freedom. Well,

627
00:33:18.319 --> 00:33:20.000
you know that's a type of freedom, but that's what

628
00:33:20.000 --> 00:33:22.160
we would call license. And so of course sensible people

629
00:33:22.200 --> 00:33:24.200
looked at it and said, well, now, no, that's not

630
00:33:24.279 --> 00:33:26.519
really what they want, what we want, and so then

631
00:33:26.559 --> 00:33:28.119
they said, well, we need to crack down and have

632
00:33:28.160 --> 00:33:30.920
all these the government should make a law, you know,

633
00:33:31.000 --> 00:33:34.119
and so the drug war began and all these other things,

634
00:33:34.440 --> 00:33:37.240
and so, you know, people on the right sort of

635
00:33:37.240 --> 00:33:40.279
distanced themselves from this ideal of freedom because because freedom

636
00:33:40.359 --> 00:33:42.559
is what those hippies want, you know, all those drug people,

637
00:33:42.839 --> 00:33:45.319
we don't want that. We want law and order. Of course,

638
00:33:45.359 --> 00:33:48.559
that's very easily turned into something, you know, I mean,

639
00:33:48.559 --> 00:33:50.200
that's kind of the way the Nazis did too. They're

640
00:33:50.319 --> 00:33:52.200
all about law and order, you know, they they and

641
00:33:52.759 --> 00:33:54.880
so you have to be careful. And before long we

642
00:33:54.960 --> 00:33:57.839
had just these byzantine drug laws and everything else. And

643
00:33:58.400 --> 00:33:59.799
then of course, with nine to eleven, you know, all

644
00:33:59.799 --> 00:34:02.160
the surveillance state that was brought us all done. The

645
00:34:02.240 --> 00:34:05.640
you know, law and order becomes paramount and freedom somehow

646
00:34:05.680 --> 00:34:08.400
gets lost, and people like Ron Paul for a long

647
00:34:08.440 --> 00:34:10.679
time where these lone voices in the wilderness. Oh you

648
00:34:10.719 --> 00:34:13.159
sound kind of like a hippie talking about freedom. Only

649
00:34:13.239 --> 00:34:15.840
hippies and weirdos and beat nicks think about that, you

650
00:34:15.880 --> 00:34:19.239
know where you know? And so, But now we've come again,

651
00:34:19.400 --> 00:34:21.679
kind of come full circle where people are realizing, yeah,

652
00:34:21.679 --> 00:34:24.440
you do need to have law and order within within value,

653
00:34:24.480 --> 00:34:28.000
but we've taken it way too far, and now everybody

654
00:34:28.119 --> 00:34:31.119
is surveilled and tracked and controlled and everything else, and

655
00:34:31.159 --> 00:34:33.440
we don't want that. And so freedom has become you know,

656
00:34:33.519 --> 00:34:35.760
real freedom in the sense the Founders understood, I think

657
00:34:36.159 --> 00:34:38.719
is now is once again in vogue. The problem is

658
00:34:39.320 --> 00:34:42.039
still a lot of these gen Z people are very young,

659
00:34:42.199 --> 00:34:47.320
very green. You know. The doctrine of freedom is something

660
00:34:47.360 --> 00:34:50.519
that kind of distills gradually on your soul, like the

661
00:34:50.599 --> 00:34:52.639
dus from heaven. You have to spend years and years

662
00:34:52.920 --> 00:34:56.119
studying it, thinking about it, practicing it in your life,

663
00:34:56.360 --> 00:34:59.440
learning what it is to be a free and agent

664
00:34:59.519 --> 00:35:02.760
unto yourself well, you know, a free human being. It's

665
00:35:02.760 --> 00:35:04.760
not something that can be learned. You know. The couple

666
00:35:04.760 --> 00:35:07.000
of catch phrases, I mean that that can start you

667
00:35:07.039 --> 00:35:10.039
in the right direction. So you know, the extent that

668
00:35:10.320 --> 00:35:14.360
people in our generation have that experience, you know, you know,

669
00:35:14.639 --> 00:35:16.480
I think it needs to be it needs to be

670
00:35:16.559 --> 00:35:19.800
shared with all these enthusiastic and energetic younger souls.

671
00:35:20.199 --> 00:35:22.760
Well, well to balance it out, Like you said, these tensions,

672
00:35:22.800 --> 00:35:25.800
these dynamic tensions have to be measured in such a

673
00:35:25.840 --> 00:35:28.480
way and balanced in such a way that it doesn't

674
00:35:28.519 --> 00:35:32.400
abandon and lose its purpose. And the challenge that we've

675
00:35:32.400 --> 00:35:35.840
had traditionally is just like you said, something seems to

676
00:35:35.880 --> 00:35:37.840
be going awry, and we look to the government to

677
00:35:37.840 --> 00:35:38.239
fix it.

678
00:35:38.239 --> 00:35:42.519
Oh tally the federal government, yes, rightly, right.

679
00:35:42.599 --> 00:35:46.440
Yeah, and so we that's the that's the wrong spot.

680
00:35:46.719 --> 00:35:49.840
I mean, you know, this has to be measured at

681
00:35:49.840 --> 00:35:53.360
a local level, individually, one soul at a time, and

682
00:35:53.400 --> 00:35:57.119
as we do that, then hopefully we bring people together

683
00:35:57.639 --> 00:36:00.000
in such a way that are focused on the same

684
00:36:00.400 --> 00:36:03.400
you know, the same objective to where we can reinforce

685
00:36:03.519 --> 00:36:08.880
and help manage that dynamic tension between freedom and irresponsibility.

686
00:36:09.360 --> 00:36:12.119
Well, a lot of that manages itself in a system

687
00:36:12.119 --> 00:36:17.039
where federalism is respected, right because you know, I mean

688
00:36:17.440 --> 00:36:19.760
if you look at at alcohol, which is a problem,

689
00:36:19.800 --> 00:36:21.559
which what what do you do about alcohol. How do

690
00:36:21.599 --> 00:36:23.440
you I At one point, we try to federal level

691
00:36:23.519 --> 00:36:26.079
one size fits all, and that didn't work, you know,

692
00:36:26.239 --> 00:36:28.599
although they did it the right way. They amended the Constitution,

693
00:36:28.920 --> 00:36:30.840
you know, and the Volstead Act and all that sort

694
00:36:30.840 --> 00:36:32.519
of thing, and they amended it again to get rid

695
00:36:32.519 --> 00:36:35.000
of it. But it turned out this, this wasn't a

696
00:36:35.000 --> 00:36:38.119
good idea. And so now, for the most part, you know,

697
00:36:38.400 --> 00:36:42.199
local governments and state governments experiment and try to figure

698
00:36:42.199 --> 00:36:44.599
out what what what works best. It's not an easy question,

699
00:36:44.719 --> 00:36:46.719
you know, because yeah, if I if I drink and

700
00:36:46.760 --> 00:36:49.360
get drunk, it may be a private thing. But then

701
00:36:49.360 --> 00:36:51.400
if I get behind the wheel of a car, or

702
00:36:51.440 --> 00:36:53.559
I get into a violent fight, or I start, you know,

703
00:36:53.679 --> 00:36:57.079
in a drunken rage, you know, abuse my wife or

704
00:36:57.079 --> 00:36:59.000
my children and something, then it's not so much. It's

705
00:36:59.039 --> 00:37:01.360
not a personal thing anymore. But it's a difficult thing.

706
00:37:01.639 --> 00:37:07.039
And so federalism allows experimentation, right And the same would

707
00:37:07.039 --> 00:37:09.039
be true of drugs, except no, you know, long ago

708
00:37:09.039 --> 00:37:11.079
we decide, well, let's let's let the federal government do that,

709
00:37:11.320 --> 00:37:13.199
you know, let's let's let them pass all the laws.

710
00:37:13.440 --> 00:37:15.760
And you could and you could go through area after

711
00:37:15.840 --> 00:37:19.840
area education is another good example. You know, maybe it's

712
00:37:19.880 --> 00:37:23.039
true that communities have a vested, you know, interest in

713
00:37:23.199 --> 00:37:26.440
ensuring a certain level of education. You don't want to

714
00:37:26.440 --> 00:37:28.719
have an illiterate population, for sure, But what does that

715
00:37:28.760 --> 00:37:31.559
look like. Well, traditionally it was done via local schools

716
00:37:31.559 --> 00:37:34.079
and local schoolhouses and all that sort of thing. Now

717
00:37:34.079 --> 00:37:36.280
it's all done by the federal government in the Department

718
00:37:36.320 --> 00:37:36.840
of Education.

719
00:37:37.239 --> 00:37:38.639
And how's that work in for us?

720
00:37:38.840 --> 00:37:41.639
Yeah, exactly, So, I mean federal federalism, and that's the

721
00:37:41.679 --> 00:37:45.039
missing ingredient. And interesting Argentina is also a federal republic

722
00:37:45.360 --> 00:37:48.920
like the United States. But federalism is I think, isn't

723
00:37:48.960 --> 00:37:52.599
the often neglected key to the maintenance of this balance

724
00:37:52.639 --> 00:37:55.320
that you're talking about of liberty, Because then, you know,

725
00:37:55.360 --> 00:37:57.239
if you live in a state and you find out

726
00:37:57.280 --> 00:37:59.360
the laws here are just too oppressive, I don't like it. Well,

727
00:37:59.360 --> 00:38:01.800
you can move to another state, right, And people do

728
00:38:01.840 --> 00:38:03.360
that all the time. They vote with their feet and

729
00:38:03.639 --> 00:38:06.400
so you know, but well, everything at the federal level

730
00:38:06.599 --> 00:38:08.360
doesn't work that way. It's one size fits all.

731
00:38:08.679 --> 00:38:10.880
Well, Steve, And as you say, and I think right

732
00:38:10.920 --> 00:38:15.320
now where we are, we need to answer these difficult questions.

733
00:38:15.360 --> 00:38:18.559
Otherwise the tendency is going to be okay, Well, the

734
00:38:18.599 --> 00:38:21.199
federal government didn't work, so maybe we need to look

735
00:38:21.239 --> 00:38:24.840
outside and look to the United Nations ors some type

736
00:38:24.840 --> 00:38:28.199
of global control, which is what you wrote about in

737
00:38:28.280 --> 00:38:32.559
terms of protecting free speech. I mean, you got situations now, like,

738
00:38:32.639 --> 00:38:35.800
for example, in England, if you if you say the

739
00:38:35.840 --> 00:38:39.159
wrong thing, you know, you're you're subject to arrest. I mean,

740
00:38:39.320 --> 00:38:41.599
some of the conversation you and I had, I mean,

741
00:38:41.599 --> 00:38:44.800
we're okay here in America so far, but in England

742
00:38:44.840 --> 00:38:47.280
they might say, well, oh yeah, Steve Bonta was with

743
00:38:47.400 --> 00:38:49.760
Bill Martinez. They had this conversation, and we're going to

744
00:38:49.840 --> 00:38:51.400
arrest him at the airport, right.

745
00:38:51.679 --> 00:38:55.320
Yeah, yeah, and it has happened, although mostly English you

746
00:38:55.360 --> 00:38:57.480
know citizens that get you know, they get that when

747
00:38:57.480 --> 00:39:00.000
they you know, return home from saying something in it

748
00:39:00.039 --> 00:39:01.800
in an interview in another country and that kind of thing.

749
00:39:01.800 --> 00:39:04.760
But yeah, it could, in theory happen. And obviously you know,

750
00:39:04.840 --> 00:39:07.440
now the maybe it may not be obvious, but but

751
00:39:07.480 --> 00:39:09.880
the but the European Union in particular, the EU is

752
00:39:09.920 --> 00:39:15.239
trying to force its version of non free speech on

753
00:39:15.320 --> 00:39:17.639
the rest of us, on our Internet companies, for example,

754
00:39:17.679 --> 00:39:20.119
forcing them to comply with their laws and if you don't,

755
00:39:20.119 --> 00:39:21.760
we're gonna We're going to find you and all the

756
00:39:21.800 --> 00:39:23.920
rest of this. So it's a it's a very very

757
00:39:24.039 --> 00:39:27.760
vexed topic, indeed, And you know, I got to say,

758
00:39:27.880 --> 00:39:31.400
it's not by accident that a lot of this is happening.

759
00:39:31.480 --> 00:39:33.800
A lot of the interesting stuff is not happening in Europe.

760
00:39:33.920 --> 00:39:35.599
I mean, there are some places, you know, Italy and

761
00:39:35.639 --> 00:39:38.920
so forth, they're having they're having a nationalist revival in Europe.

762
00:39:39.239 --> 00:39:43.039
It's less clear to me outside of maybe Poland perhaps

763
00:39:43.760 --> 00:39:46.679
that that that that nationalist revival and say in Italy

764
00:39:46.880 --> 00:39:49.480
with Georgia Moloney or something like that, is actually translating

765
00:39:49.519 --> 00:39:54.760
into more freedom for Italians or you know, or whether

766
00:39:55.039 --> 00:39:57.719
or whether they're still acquiescing to the European Union and

767
00:39:57.800 --> 00:39:59.719
most of these things in terms of the you know,

768
00:39:59.760 --> 00:40:03.880
crack down on speech and controlling the finances all the

769
00:40:03.920 --> 00:40:05.800
rest of this stuff. So, you know. But on the

770
00:40:05.840 --> 00:40:07.480
other hand, there's a lot of exciting things happening in

771
00:40:07.519 --> 00:40:10.159
Latin America, not just Argentina and here in the United

772
00:40:10.199 --> 00:40:13.239
States and who lesser extended in parts of Asia. You know,

773
00:40:13.320 --> 00:40:15.719
you can see, uh, you know, people but people are

774
00:40:15.800 --> 00:40:17.360
people are fed up with being controlled.

775
00:40:18.280 --> 00:40:20.719
Do you do you think that Trump factor is playing

776
00:40:20.719 --> 00:40:21.360
into some of this?

777
00:40:21.920 --> 00:40:27.440
Absolutely, But you know, Trump again, Trump is mostly attractive

778
00:40:27.599 --> 00:40:34.320
because because because he he is unapologetically pro American, you know,

779
00:40:34.360 --> 00:40:37.960
given where we're coming from the Biden years, that in

780
00:40:38.039 --> 00:40:41.559
itself seems refreshing. A lot more encouraging is the fact

781
00:40:41.559 --> 00:40:43.760
that he talks a lot about getting rid of the

782
00:40:43.760 --> 00:40:47.079
income tax and winding up the federal Reserve and uh,

783
00:40:47.440 --> 00:40:50.360
you know, all this sort of thing, stopping taxes on

784
00:40:50.360 --> 00:40:53.360
Social Security. But so far it's all been taught. Now,

785
00:40:53.400 --> 00:40:56.000
he's only been in office about ten months at this point,

786
00:40:56.280 --> 00:40:57.719
so we'll give him a little attitude.

787
00:40:58.000 --> 00:41:00.000
But look what he's done in ten months.

788
00:41:01.599 --> 00:41:03.119
A lot of what he's done has been, you know,

789
00:41:03.199 --> 00:41:05.639
basically getting our foreign policy on a s or more

790
00:41:05.719 --> 00:41:08.480
rational basis, our immigration policy and this sort of thing.

791
00:41:09.840 --> 00:41:12.880
I guess, you know, probably free speech were better off

792
00:41:12.880 --> 00:41:15.639
than we were. Certainly that, you know, the cancel culture

793
00:41:15.639 --> 00:41:18.760
and the DEI stuff has mostly faded into the woodwork,

794
00:41:19.559 --> 00:41:22.920
although it'll come right back if if Trump, if if

795
00:41:22.920 --> 00:41:25.039
Trump is out of office and is replaced by you know,

796
00:41:25.079 --> 00:41:27.760
Gavin Newsom. In twenty twenty eight, or something like that.

797
00:41:28.000 --> 00:41:31.079
I would think we should also point out under the Constitution,

798
00:41:31.159 --> 00:41:34.400
it's really Congress that is most responsible for that. It

799
00:41:34.440 --> 00:41:38.360
shouldn't be you know, this, this this mighty presidential colossus

800
00:41:38.599 --> 00:41:41.159
making all the changes it should most of it should

801
00:41:41.159 --> 00:41:45.159
come through Congress with the complaisance of the President. And

802
00:41:45.239 --> 00:41:47.719
so you know, you'll know that the republic is back

803
00:41:47.719 --> 00:41:50.599
in full flower when this stuff is coming from Congress.

804
00:41:50.679 --> 00:41:54.239
Good example of the tariffs. I greatly fear that the

805
00:41:54.280 --> 00:41:57.360
Supreme Court decision may go against Trump or where the

806
00:41:57.440 --> 00:42:00.119
terarifts are concerned, because it's pretty plain to me he

807
00:42:00.239 --> 00:42:04.519
has no authority, no legitimate constitutional authority. The Levy tariffs

808
00:42:04.760 --> 00:42:08.199
problem is Congress refuses to do it. So he's kind

809
00:42:08.199 --> 00:42:10.920
of doing the right thing but in the wrong way,

810
00:42:11.000 --> 00:42:13.679
so to speak. Yeah, and this is the case in

811
00:42:13.920 --> 00:42:16.039
a lot of things. I mean, I I don't think

812
00:42:16.039 --> 00:42:19.159
it's necessarily wrong what he's doing. We talked about this

813
00:42:19.199 --> 00:42:20.800
the last time we talked, you know, with with with

814
00:42:20.960 --> 00:42:23.480
regard to you know, sending the National Guard and so

815
00:42:23.519 --> 00:42:25.800
forth to cities. But you don't want to see that

816
00:42:25.800 --> 00:42:28.800
happen too often. You would hope that the local governments

817
00:42:28.840 --> 00:42:31.960
and local constabularies will be adequate to the task and

818
00:42:32.000 --> 00:42:35.559
won't sit in their hands the next time some favorite

819
00:42:35.559 --> 00:42:37.519
interest group decides to go out and riot in the

820
00:42:37.599 --> 00:42:41.400
streets and willfully assault people and smash cars and you know,

821
00:42:41.639 --> 00:42:45.559
attack policemen and so forth, you would think, right, you know,

822
00:42:46.280 --> 00:42:48.000
full flower. And most of this is coming from the

823
00:42:48.039 --> 00:42:51.000
state and local level. The president's mostly a dude who

824
00:42:51.079 --> 00:42:53.880
signs bills and occasionally gives an inspiring speech.

825
00:42:54.960 --> 00:42:58.719
Yeah, no, I'm I'm with you on that. But Trump

826
00:42:58.800 --> 00:43:03.679
is concerned about lives of Americans, whether it's in Portland, Chicago,

827
00:43:04.199 --> 00:43:06.480
these hot spots in d C, I mean DC of

828
00:43:06.519 --> 00:43:08.960
all places. And it was like the mayors and everybody

829
00:43:09.079 --> 00:43:11.079
was just, oh, it's just another body count. I mean,

830
00:43:11.079 --> 00:43:14.000
it was almost like we're back in the era of

831
00:43:14.079 --> 00:43:16.679
Vietnam where we just got worn out watching you know,

832
00:43:16.719 --> 00:43:19.440
the casually counts every night on television. It was like, Okay,

833
00:43:19.440 --> 00:43:22.440
it's Chicago, another weekend. You know, you got x amount

834
00:43:22.480 --> 00:43:26.039
of shootings and yeah, maybe five, seven, eight people die. Okay,

835
00:43:26.280 --> 00:43:28.679
we'll wait until the next weekend. And it just it's

836
00:43:28.719 --> 00:43:31.519
just been going on that way. It's like a sick mantra.

837
00:43:31.920 --> 00:43:33.760
And then Trump you know, comes up and says this

838
00:43:33.920 --> 00:43:38.159
is unacceptable. So he's putting the heat on these lawmakers

839
00:43:38.480 --> 00:43:42.000
to step up and the people. We the people need

840
00:43:42.039 --> 00:43:45.280
to take note of these lawmakers that aren't stepping up

841
00:43:45.559 --> 00:43:49.159
and not fulfilling their duty to the American people.

842
00:43:48.960 --> 00:43:52.519
Right, yeah, absolutely, And I mean, you know, again, the

843
00:43:52.599 --> 00:43:54.639
day that Trump stands up and gives a state of

844
00:43:54.800 --> 00:43:58.079
Union address or a victory speech after electure or something

845
00:43:58.159 --> 00:44:00.360
says like We're going to make America the freest on

846
00:44:00.400 --> 00:44:02.840
earth that you know, I will definitely sit up and

847
00:44:02.880 --> 00:44:06.159
take notice when he says that. So, I mean, because

848
00:44:06.159 --> 00:44:10.280
that's the key. And I think we're freer now than

849
00:44:10.280 --> 00:44:12.079
we were a year ago, no doubt about that, and

850
00:44:12.079 --> 00:44:15.000
certainly freer now that we were during the COVID despotism.

851
00:44:15.239 --> 00:44:17.360
But we have a long way to go. You know,

852
00:44:17.400 --> 00:44:22.079
We've still grown under the yoke of essentially a progressive

853
00:44:22.079 --> 00:44:26.079
income tax and an inflationary monetary system that would give

854
00:44:26.119 --> 00:44:29.679
the Founders nightmares. And that's just for starters. I mean,

855
00:44:29.840 --> 00:44:31.920
the reason I was a little late getting back is

856
00:44:32.239 --> 00:44:34.119
I took my wife, who's a recent immigrant to the

857
00:44:34.199 --> 00:44:36.800
United States, to the bank to day. She has a

858
00:44:36.800 --> 00:44:38.960
green card. Now our social Security card, took her to

859
00:44:39.000 --> 00:44:40.760
a local bank to open a bank account so that

860
00:44:40.840 --> 00:44:42.719
she can now replace it. And you know what, they

861
00:44:42.719 --> 00:44:45.440
wouldn't let us do it. Why is that because federal

862
00:44:45.440 --> 00:44:49.239
regulation said you have to have at least two things

863
00:44:49.320 --> 00:44:53.719
that prove your current address. Okay, so passport won't suffice.

864
00:44:53.840 --> 00:44:55.480
You have to have an envelope with some kind of

865
00:44:55.480 --> 00:44:57.239
a bill, like the heating bill that shows your name

866
00:44:57.280 --> 00:44:59.800
on it. And I was afraid this would be the case.

867
00:45:00.039 --> 00:45:02.320
Brought along stuff that had my address on it, you know,

868
00:45:02.719 --> 00:45:04.599
and the guy was very apologetic when you first, oh,

869
00:45:04.679 --> 00:45:06.199
this is fine, will be but then he actually entered

870
00:45:06.199 --> 00:45:07.920
in the computer computer kicked it back and said, Nope,

871
00:45:08.039 --> 00:45:08.800
you can't do this.

872
00:45:09.679 --> 00:45:12.239
Because her name wasn't on the bill as well.

873
00:45:12.679 --> 00:45:14.559
No, because well she's only been the United States now.

874
00:45:14.599 --> 00:45:15.280
No, no, I know that.

875
00:45:16.000 --> 00:45:18.960
And the thing is post nine to eleven. That's the

876
00:45:18.960 --> 00:45:20.880
first thing they did after nine eleven. They changed all

877
00:45:20.880 --> 00:45:24.000
the banking laws, making it much much harder for anyone

878
00:45:24.039 --> 00:45:27.039
to just open a bank account without proving six ways

879
00:45:27.039 --> 00:45:29.199
to Sunday. Not only that you are who you say

880
00:45:29.239 --> 00:45:31.480
you are, you know, which for which a passport would

881
00:45:31.480 --> 00:45:34.519
presumably suffice, but passports don't have your address on them,

882
00:45:34.719 --> 00:45:36.119
so then you have to have all these proofs of

883
00:45:36.119 --> 00:45:38.559
address and all this stuff. Couldn't do it, so you know,

884
00:45:38.920 --> 00:45:42.400
we spent we wasted over an hour doing that, and

885
00:45:42.760 --> 00:45:44.320
you know, I guess we'll have another go at it

886
00:45:44.440 --> 00:45:45.880
in a couple of months, you know. And she gets

887
00:45:45.920 --> 00:45:47.039
a couple of things in the mail that have her

888
00:45:47.119 --> 00:45:49.360
name on it, and we can we can actually if

889
00:45:49.360 --> 00:45:51.960
they if they if they're admissible. But this is this

890
00:45:52.000 --> 00:45:54.599
is a major problem with with the world we live

891
00:45:54.639 --> 00:45:56.679
in today. I mean, the memory of nine to eleven

892
00:45:56.719 --> 00:45:59.880
has receded and we're we're you know, we're now asserting

893
00:46:00.000 --> 00:46:02.840
control over our borders and king out the illegal immigrants.

894
00:46:03.119 --> 00:46:06.719
But all of those controls, you know, all all the

895
00:46:06.760 --> 00:46:10.440
new identification stuff persists. I mean, they recently removed the

896
00:46:10.480 --> 00:46:13.679
requirement that you take off your shoes, yes, exactly, though

897
00:46:13.679 --> 00:46:15.960
some airports still do. Like when I was at West

898
00:46:15.960 --> 00:46:20.039
Palm Beach International Airport last weekend, they still I think

899
00:46:20.039 --> 00:46:21.920
they required no maybe it didn't, but it was, but

900
00:46:22.199 --> 00:46:24.360
but there were there were some other things so so

901
00:46:24.400 --> 00:46:27.239
at their discretion they still do that. But but it's

902
00:46:27.280 --> 00:46:29.159
still a far cry from what it was pre nine

903
00:46:29.159 --> 00:46:29.559
to eleven.

904
00:46:29.840 --> 00:46:32.519
Yeah, without a doubt. Well, well, Steve Tuman has left here.

905
00:46:33.119 --> 00:46:36.000
Let's talk government shut down here in these last two years, right, yes,

906
00:46:36.360 --> 00:46:37.039
just for fun?

907
00:46:37.159 --> 00:46:39.800
Is it still shut down? Bill? I haven't really noticed.

908
00:46:40.679 --> 00:46:44.360
Well it, you know, for the people that are expecting checks.

909
00:46:44.400 --> 00:46:47.719
I feel for them, you know, because this has got

910
00:46:47.800 --> 00:46:50.519
to be really hard on them air traffic controllers and

911
00:46:50.559 --> 00:46:54.079
the longer this goes. I mean, you know, Court Schumer

912
00:46:54.159 --> 00:46:56.960
says this is good for the Democratic Party that the

913
00:46:56.960 --> 00:46:59.639
people are in pain. I can't even believe he made

914
00:46:59.679 --> 00:47:00.800
such a stupid statement.

915
00:47:01.159 --> 00:47:03.599
Well, part of you know, the cynical part of me,

916
00:47:03.840 --> 00:47:06.719
you know, says, yeah, just keep giving us the sound

917
00:47:06.719 --> 00:47:09.239
bites of Chuck you know, you, you and your comrades.

918
00:47:09.239 --> 00:47:11.320
I mean, the only person I mean, I never thought

919
00:47:11.360 --> 00:47:13.039
i'd say something like this a year ago, But the

920
00:47:13.039 --> 00:47:14.920
only person in that party who seems to have a

921
00:47:14.960 --> 00:47:19.719
modic of common sense is is Fetterman. Yes, exactly, which

922
00:47:19.760 --> 00:47:21.440
is why he's now being said, well maybe he should

923
00:47:21.440 --> 00:47:24.239
be the presidential candid for the Democrats in twenty twenty eight.

924
00:47:24.239 --> 00:47:26.159
You know, he's he's also very quirky and so forth.

925
00:47:26.199 --> 00:47:29.480
But yeah, I mean, I haven't really noticed the shutdown,

926
00:47:29.519 --> 00:47:31.719
except for the fact that my wife's Social Security card

927
00:47:31.760 --> 00:47:33.800
like two or three weeks longer than they said it

928
00:47:33.800 --> 00:47:36.719
would to get because they shut down the government after

929
00:47:36.760 --> 00:47:40.159
we did the initial filled out the form before it

930
00:47:40.199 --> 00:47:42.960
actually arrived, so it was delayed. But you know, no biggie.

931
00:47:43.440 --> 00:47:45.559
As far as air traffic control, I mean, everything was

932
00:47:45.639 --> 00:47:48.039
normal last weekend, the last time I flew. But but

933
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we'll see. I mean, it's it's an inconvenience and if

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it goes on long enough. I think the Republicans do

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have some kind of nuclear option right where they can.

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They don't want to do it at this point, but

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you know, they do have a majority in both houses.

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Well, I you know, I think that the people are

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calling for action, Steve, you know, nuclear or no nuclear.

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They want this government opened up again. And I believe

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that the Republicans do that, they exercise a nuclear option,

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they'll be rewarded for that.

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Well yeah, I mean in particular, I mean we can't

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we can't go for long without a functioning military. I

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mean we just we just had two separate aircraft in

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the space of like two hours crash in the sea

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near from you know, they both originated for the carrier Nimitz.

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I don't know if you saw that. It's in the

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South China Sea right now, and they'd had helicopter go down,

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and then the F eighteen went down very shortly thereafter,

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and they think they got some bad fuel or something

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like this, and one has to wonder if that's something

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related to the fact that they're shorthanded. Yeah, somewhere along

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the you know, I don't know anything about it, but

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it sort of makes you wonder. And obviously, given the

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array of formidable enemies that we now face, you know,

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we can't afford to have the military shut down.

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You think me.

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I mean, it's kind of nice to see the unconstitutional

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portions of the government shut down. To them, I say,

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you know, you know, get rid of them permanently, exactly.

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I'm with you on that. I mean, all the dogs

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you pointed out and that could have happened is now

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available to Donald Trump, and we'll see, we'll see if

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he takes that step. He's the publisher of the New

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American magazine. Steve Bonta has been our guest. Steve, where

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Well, Steve Bonta cannot thank you enough, appreciate you coming

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on the show. Take care, be well, My friends will

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take care well, and our thanks to you for sharing

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God bless you and keep you. May make his face

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