April 7, 2026

The Bill Martinez Show 04 07 26

The Bill Martinez Show 04 07 26
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The Bill Martinez Show 04 07 26
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Are you ready?

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Yeah, ok us do it.

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Bill Martinez Live a program about current events, our culture,

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our values, our politics, and our future.

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And now Bill Martinez.

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Well, welcome Bill Martinez here. We're coming to you Live.

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Good to have you with us. We've got doctor George

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Barna joining us with all the latest info and all

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his research in cause I got to tell you, George,

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I'm not surprised, but I'm i am at the same

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time with this latest headline that these new findings revealing

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America's biblical worldview crisis is worse than many realize, right.

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Well, it is. Yeah.

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I mean, you know, life keeps moving regardless of what

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the data for my surveys say, and so people are

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just trying to get through the day and they're not

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typically looking at the big picture about what's going on

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in life. And hopefully that's what these surveys do, is

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they give us a real to stop for a moment.

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It's so I'm doing all these things, what's the context

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in which they fit?

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And what does that context have to do with me?

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I'm part of it, sure.

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But is there something I can learn from what other

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people are going through, what we as a culture are

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going through, and what I'm supposed to become as a

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follower of Jesus.

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Right, And the thing is is that people might be

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a little bewildered. And I tell you I was hoping

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numbers would be up only because we're getting all these

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reports that the youth are coming back to the church

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in record numbers. And I'm interested to hear your analysis

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of that because my concern from day one has been

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is this just a surfs up kind of reaction, as

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we would say on the West Coast, or is this

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a legitimate response to a calling? Because the part of

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the challenge that this generation has had is that they've

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been very comfort centered, and as we know, our relatetionationship

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with God isn't necessarily centered on comfort, is it.

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No, not at all.

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And when we look at the data, what we see

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is that, Yeah, there's been a lot of interest, and

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I think so much of it was triggered by the

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murder of Charlie Kurk Kirk right, And so we had

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a lot of people willing to re explore does the

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Christian Church have something of value to offer to me?

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This guy Kirk seemed like a good guy. He had

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a lot of good answers. He was reasonable.

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A lot of people thought he was reasonable, so let

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me take a look at what's going on, and so

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they started going to church. We've seen reports about record

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numbers of Bible sales. All of that's wonderful, but we're

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also now starting to see that this is very much

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like what happened after September eleventh, two thousand and one,

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exactly the attacks. People came back to churches and record numbers,

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even bigger numbers there. But nevertheless, we've seen that same

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phenomenon and now we're seeing the same decline afterwards. But

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the question is not, well, doesn't that mean Christian and

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he doesn't have anything to offer? Now, that's not what

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it means. What it means, I think, is that people

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came to our churches and our religious meetings and gatherings

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hoping that certain things would.

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Happen, and they haven't.

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Why is that because the people who are self identified Christians,

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who regularly attend churches, they haven't figured it out. They're

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not sufficiently deeply committed to the Christian faith to have

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really dug in and studied the scriptures and had the

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deep and challenging conversations looked inward on themselves to try

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to figure out would I be confused like one of

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the apostles were as one of his followers, or am

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I just kind of a good guy going along to

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get along in American society? And I think what we

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find in the American church, and it has to do

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with what we do in the American churches, is we're

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just kind of going along to get along. We're trying

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to survive better than the next guy. But have we

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really been willing to make the sacrifices necessary to be

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a follower of Christ? And we even found in this

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research when we ask people those questions, a large majority

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of Americans said, am I willing to sacrifice and suffer

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to be a follower of Jesus?

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Now I shouldn't have to do that. I mean, he.

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Died for me, so I just want to reap the benefits.

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And so we've got this twisted mindset about what it

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means to be a follower of Christ.

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Yeah, why should I pick up my cross? He already

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picked up his cross, right, Yeah.

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And interestingly enough, that's one of the very things that

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he talked about in Luke fourteen, where he said, in

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verse twenty seven, you cannot be my follower unless you

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pick up your cross and follow me, which in that

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Roman contact mean you're going to have to give up

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your own for life and adopt my agenda for your life.

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And it's going to be filled with great things, but

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it's also going to be filled with suffering and sacrifice

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and persecution and tough times. People aren't going to love

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you more because you're a follower of mine. In fact,

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it's probably going to be the opposite in many cases.

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Yeah, exactly, because look what they did to me, right,

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And what was I guilty of? I was guilty of

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trying to bring them eternal life and a better way

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to live, understanding the paradox here that they're in a

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fallen world loaded with sin and all this influence, and

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thinking that it was all about stuff and what you

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ended up with as opposed to sacrifice and bringing as

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we would say, bringing a towel to an event.

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Right, absolutely, you know what I mean.

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When I think about it, I kind of have to

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laugh because it's like, Yeah, what was he guilty of?

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Oh?

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Loving people as much as people could be loved.

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So we decided, okay, let's kill this guy.

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How dare he heal? People. How dare he bring sight

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to the people who were blind and open up their

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ears so they could hear?

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Right?

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How dare him?

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And then when you look at well, who were the

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ones who are leading that charge to have the man killed?

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Well, what was their motivation? Well?

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They were trying to elevate themselves and this guy was

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taking away their platform, taking away their fame, taking away

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their message, which was wrong. And so you know, we've

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got to look at ourselves and say, Okay, you know what,

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I'm a whole lot more like the Pharisees and the

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Sadducees that I have, like Jesus left of my own devices.

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So I've got to do this kind of deep dive

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into George, who are you really?

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I know you claim you ought to be.

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Christ Like, but let's take a look at all the

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choices you're making. And you know, I do find that

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some of them are made out of the wrong motives.

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And thank the Lord that he came, you know, to

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show me that, to put that mirror up to my

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face and say this is who you are, That's not

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who I am. Are you willing to do what it

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takes to make the change?

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And the thing is, George you know, we're getting up

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there in age and some of these thoughts that we

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hold to. And I was talking to a dear friend

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of mine. I said, I'm too old for some of

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these thoughts. What is going on? And fortunately he understood

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and he left. You know, I shouldn't be thinking these thoughts.

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I mean, nineteen twenty maybe, but you know I'm far

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from that.

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Yeah. I was just talking to my wife about that

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very kind of thing last night. I said, you know,

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I can't believe I'm at this age and I'm still

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struggling with this stuff. When we first became Christians, do

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you remember we said, oh man, I can't wait until

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we're mature Christians and we're not going to wrestle with

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these things. News flash, the battle continues and it always will.

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So you know, that's why you can never get far

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from Jesus, because our base nature is just always lurking

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around the corner. It's always in the shadows, and Satan

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is always looking to take advantage of it.

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So Lord help me.

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Yeah, but like you say, George, you know, we first

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need to look in the mirror.

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You know.

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It's easy to say, well, you know, I you know,

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like like like Adam, I did it because of that

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woman you gave me. But it still is the man

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in the mirror, the woman in the mirror, right it is.

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And you know, one of the things that I hope

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is helpful about the research is that we're breaking some

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of these things down so that as we're looking in

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the mirror, we know what to look for. But if

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I look in the mirror and I say, oh, but wait,

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I'm supposed to look for blemishes, do I have some

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blemishes there? And hopefully what the research is doing is

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it's saying, Okay, some people have blemishes in terms of

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their understanding of family and the value of life. Some

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people have blemishes in terms of their understanding of God,

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creation and history. Some people with Bible truth and morals.

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We've got all these different categories of elements of our

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faith that we're measuring.

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some of these blemishes, doctor George.

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Well, you know, as we look at them, the area,

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oddly enough that we wrestle with the most is this

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things that we study here, but ones that we really

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wrestle with, the things like and it reminds me of

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what you were saying about Adam, and yeah, well, as

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Eve's fault, you gave her to me, he can't blame me.

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that tens and tens of millions of even born again

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does it. The Bible isn't really clear when it talks

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about the value of human life, is it? And so

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we turn our heads and look the other way when

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we hear about chemical abortions. It's like, well, I don't

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want wade into that one. It's bad enough when we

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had to go down and march at the clinic, but

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now you're saying, oh my goodness, we got to do

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something about pills that are being sent out to women. Now,

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I don't want to get my hands dirty with that.

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wrestle with a believers. You know, we look at things

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like transgenderism, gay marriage, you know, what is a marriage?

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We find that tens of millions of Christians have given

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up that battle and said, look, it isn't Isn't the

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Bible all about love? Isn't that what Jesus came here

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for us to demonstrate love? And if a gay guy

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and a gay guy love each other, isn't that good enough?

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Why would God be upset with that? And we're willing

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to turn our back on the notion that God gave.

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Us the Bible to help set the boundaries, not so

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that our life would be smaller, but so that our

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life would be bigger, so that we could really thrive

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The guidelines for us for us to live with a

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consciousness of freedom and liberty right, and within those guidelines,

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you're free to go. I mean, it's an awesome experience.

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And you don't when you're when you're liberated, you're not

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worrying so much about the fifty five mile an hour

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speed limit, are you?

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Not?

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At all?

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Although we did find it's interesting you bring that up

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because I had a question about that in the survey.

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limit is fifty or maybe I said fifty five hour,

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and you choose to go eighty because you think nobody's looking,

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nobody's around, you're not going to get caught.

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Is that a moral infraction?

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You know?

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Have you broken the law? Is that sin?

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mean it is a sin. It may not be a

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world changing the sin, but it's a little indication of

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who you are, you know. And I heard a sermon

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one time at church we lived we went to when

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we lived in Chicago, and the pastor taught a sermon

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call who you are when nobody's looking, and how that

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was one of the indicators of how close you are

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to Christ, if you're willing to do righteousness even when

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nobody's going to know that you sacrificed, that you did

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something that was uncomfortable, that you did something that was

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tough for you because it was the right thing to do,

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and you knew it was right only because God said

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it was right.

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That's what builds your character, that's what gives us the indication.

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think it was about eight out of ten Americans said

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it wouldn't matter at all. You weren't going to get caught.

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You weren't going to hurt anybody, So you can do

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what you want, which you can.

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So it wasn't it wasn't a sin unless you got caught.

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That was the implicabasically right, we're giving us. Yeah, we're

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just so silly, are we not?

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Yeah, it displays our unwillingness to believe that God sees everything.

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God sees everything every moment of every day of your life.

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And so you've got to know these things because even

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if you're not paying attention, he is.

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Yeah, exactly. And the thing is is, even beforehand, George,

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the way God had constructed the universe, these guidelines and

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these boundaries are built into the system, are they not.

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So you may think you're getting away with it, but

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you're not.

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Yeah, it's you know, we have this notion where we

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talk about delayed gratification, and really what we're talking about

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here is delayed hurt because eventually it's going to find

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you and it's going to hurt because you got away

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with it right now, but eventually it's.

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Going to catch up to you.

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Yeah. And the thing is, it's all like you said,

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even but it talked about the little foxes. The little foxes, Oh,

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the Song of Solomon. That's where it is. In the

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Song of Solomon talks about the little foxes chewing at

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the vine, right, those little things, that pesky, little you know,

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foxes that are nondescript and they're not necessarily noticeable, but

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they're gnawing away at the root of who you are.

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Right, Yeah, and you had Solomon, right, So I'll give

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you that, you.

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Know, thank you. I was I had to take a

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stab area. Okay, good job, good job. Yeah, No, you're

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exactly right. I mean it's the little things that you know.

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I mean, the foxes are just gnawing a little bit

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at a time, a little chew here, a little chew there,

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little tiny teeth, but they're sharp and they're making a difference.

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And that's what happens with us with sin.

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You know, when I was growing up, I was a

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Catholic when I was a kid, and I really struggled

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with this whole idea that they taught us of venial

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sins versus mortal sins. Right, you know, as if well

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you know, these little sins, these venal don't really matter.

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that come and get you the mortal sins, right, And

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that was like, get me down that road to there's

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no absolute moral truth. And so it was just a

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little simple thing, a little misunderstanding maybe, but ultimately it

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wouldn't matter. It matters a huge deal. And now I

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live in a culture where seven out of ten Americans

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say there's no absolute moral truth, which in turn just

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throws out the scriptures because it's like, well, if there's

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no absolute moral truth, I don't really have to worry

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about what God said because you know it's kind of

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relative to me in my situation.

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Well, you know, you're exactly right. And again this is

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man's construct of sin. But when you read in the

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Old Testament, I mean, here you got a couple of guys, priests,

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they want to worship God and they think, hey, we're

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going to deviate from the program and we're going to

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do it our own way, right, And what happens to them?

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What made it such a grievous sin? And the thing

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is is that you know, some people may look at

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that and say, hey, they were kind of like doing

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the right thing. They were you know, they were close.

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You know, doesn't God great on the curve? And it's

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clear that God does not great on the curve?

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Well, And I think what we missed in that whole

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conversation is he's a loving and compassionate and merciful God,

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but he doesn't great on a curve because he doesn't

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have to.

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Why doesn't he have to? Because he told us what

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the curve was.

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And so if you want to get up to that

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a level, here's what you got to do to get there.

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And it's not about your work saving you. I've already

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saved you. But you know, it's really about Jesus, and

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it's about you loving him so much. It's about you

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wanting so intensely and urgently to be like him that

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you're willing to demonstrate your love to me, your father.

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I really investing yourself in becoming the kind of person.

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That I've characterized here for you.

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I've defined it, I've described it, I've sent people to

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model it for you, because I know that you learn

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by watching. Okay, so you've got it all. You can

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read it, you can hear it, you can see it.

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Can you do it and you're doing it, isn't what's

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going to save you. My son saved you and you're

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doing it.

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Shows me, you know what, I want to be like him.

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And so I haven't earned my repentance, but I my salvation.

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But through my repentance, I'm trying to prove to you

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I'm dead serious about this. Thank you for saving me.

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Here's how I can show you that, Yes, I get it,

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and I'm so thankful, and I want to be like

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him exactly.

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people look at Old Testament heroes like David and say,

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you know, here's a guy who kills his body to

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get his wife. And but yet God says, here's a

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man after my own heart.

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Commits adultery, has sex with prostitutes. I mean, he kills people,

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does all kinds of things that we've he's disqualified, he's

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out of here. And then the Lord comes back and

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graciously shows us no, no, no, he's a man after

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my own heart. And it wasn't because he was rape

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Well glad you joined us. Bill Martinez here Lachlin's doctor

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John's America author the book No Second Amendment, No first Boy.

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I'll tell you know your book is beyond pressions, especially

521
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with all these countries John that do not have a

522
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Second Amendment that are being controlled by these totalitarian governments right.

523
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Well, especially in Iran. Right the Iranian people, if they

524
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had private firearms, would have overthrown that hideous dictatorship a

525
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long time ago. But of course dictators know this, which

526
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is why the first thing they do is disarm the population.

527
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Our second Amendment originates with American Puritans who had fled

528
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England for religious freedom. In England and King Charles the

529
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First and Charles the Second tried to disarm Puritans tried

530
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to systematically single them out as not being allowed to

531
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have firearms because they were worried about the rebelling against

532
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the government. So in sixteen and eighty eight, when there

533
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was a Protestant revolution and overthrew James the Second and

534
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installed William and Mary as King and Queen, they rode

535
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into the English Bill of Rights that no Protestant could

536
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be denied armed access to firearms because Puritan Protestants were

537
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being singled out, and that language is what got translated

538
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into our Second Amendment. So the origins of the Second

539
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Amendment had to do with protecting religious freedom from the government,

540
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and of course dictator after Dictator Lenin in Russia, the

541
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Nazis in Germany, Castro and Cuba, mountcy Tongue in China.

542
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The first thing they do is disarm the population. And

543
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if you look at European countries that have disarmed their population,

544
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look at Great Britain. They arrest a dozen people a

545
00:29:20.359 --> 00:29:24.759
day for talking on social media and maybe saying that

546
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there's too much immigration. They go to prison. They're letting

547
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immigrant rapists out of prison to make room for the

548
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citizens who complain about it on social media. And that

549
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in Australia, where they all gave up their guns. They

550
00:29:39.200 --> 00:29:44.240
were getting ready to put the unvaccinated into internment camps

551
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during the COVID panic, and our own Centers for Disease

552
00:29:48.160 --> 00:29:52.799
Control had on its website plans for in turning Americans

553
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who wouldn't take the dead baby vaccine.

554
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People have no idea how close we were, John, And

555
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you're exactly right. Without the second, you don't have a first,

556
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they take control of you. And and you know, it's

557
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not so.

558
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Much that it's not so much that we're going to

559
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start a revolution at any time, but the knowledge that

560
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the citizenry could push back if you push them too

561
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far makes a huge difference. Look at Syria. Now, Syria,

562
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the Christians are being savagely persecuted by the government. A

563
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few years ago, when Syria was still divided, there were

564
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Christian militias allied with the Kurds, they defeated Isis, they

565
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had religious freedom in northeastern Syria. Now the Jihati government,

566
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run by an al Qaida operative, is systematically liquidating what's

567
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left of the Christians in that ancient Christian community in Syria.

568
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And again it's because they gave up their weapons as

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part of a pacification deal that unfortunately our government helped

570
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a broker. So the idea that the people could rise

571
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up and have some means to rise up, that was intended.

572
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James Madison wrote in The Federalist, the purpose of keeping

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the citizen r armed is so that if need be,

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if there were a tyrannical government, if all the checks

575
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and balances fell away, you'd have a militia of half

576
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a million who would resist tyranny. And indeed, the American

577
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Revolution was started by citizens militias that were based at

578
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their churches. Right, people would go to church here a sermon,

579
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and go do target practice and don't go do maneuvers.

580
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That's what started our revolution, were the citizens militias.

581
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Yeah, you had the black robe regiment, right, the pastors

582
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of churches with the Bible in one hand and their

583
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musket in the other.

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That's right, That's right. So yeah, my book No Second

585
00:31:41.640 --> 00:31:45.079
Amendment No First goes into all that and also addresses

586
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the tyranny of the COVID panic and social media censorship

587
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and all the threats to liberty that are reckless suicidal

588
00:31:54.480 --> 00:31:56.599
elites are wielding.

589
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Don't you love the rich irony here? We just had

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no King's Day and all those people parading in the

591
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streets are the same people that would want to take

592
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your second Amendment right, wait.

593
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At your first and your parental rights over your kids.

594
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It's just but they're they're okay with their false narrative

595
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about no kings. I mean, you know, give me a break.

596
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And what their definition entertaining it is beyond me.

597
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Their definition of tyranny is removing illegal invaders from the

598
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country who are illegally taking government benefits from the taxpayer.

599
00:32:29.799 --> 00:32:30.599
That's tyranny.

600
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That is that crazy, John, I mean, this is how

601
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crazy our country is. Wow, I mean so much so.

602
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I mean, you got elected officials they're at a State

603
00:32:38.119 --> 00:32:40.240
of the Union would not even stand up and support

604
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an American citizen. They would have support an illegal immigrant

605
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over an American citizen.

606
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That's right. And of course, right now our Supreme Court

607
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is having oral arguments about birthright citizenship. This perversion of

608
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the Fourteenth Amendment. The fourteenth Amendment was written to make

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sure that slaves and who and the children of slaves

610
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would have full citizenship in the United States. It specifically

611
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exempted those not subject to the jurisdiction of the US government,

612
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such as American Indians, and the children of diplomats, and

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people who were just visiting, and people who had were

614
00:33:18.000 --> 00:33:22.079
here illegally. That was all implicit in the language. Explicit

615
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was that only people born to those subjects to US jurisdiction,

616
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meaning citizens or legal residents. Except now we've got I mean,

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a number of the justices on the Court seem to

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not care about the plain intent of the framers of

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the fourteenth Amendment that they're they're talking, they're raising humanitarian

620
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concerns and basically sob stories.

621
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So Justice Roberts came up with some goofy deal. I mean,

622
00:33:50.039 --> 00:33:52.599
it's like, what was he trying to tell us?

623
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Who?

624
00:33:54.279 --> 00:33:54.720
Roberts?

625
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Roberts, Yeah, I mean, what did he come up? I'm

626
00:33:57.920 --> 00:34:00.000
just trying to remember specifically what he said because I'm

627
00:34:00.200 --> 00:34:02.720
a quoting and let me find the quote exactly. But

628
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I remember when he said, I go, what are you

629
00:34:05.480 --> 00:34:06.119
talking about?

630
00:34:06.640 --> 00:34:09.880
Basically, it's just it's just a tissue of sophistries. Look,

631
00:34:10.480 --> 00:34:13.760
when they legalized abortion in Roe v. Wade, they went

632
00:34:13.920 --> 00:34:17.760
entirely outside the constitution. There was no constitutional basis for

633
00:34:17.880 --> 00:34:19.159
Roe v. Wade, but it was the law of the

634
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land for what fifty years. If we don't get rid

635
00:34:24.480 --> 00:34:29.360
of birthright citizenship. Well, here's a glimpse of the future. Currently,

636
00:34:31.599 --> 00:34:36.880
almost ten million anchor babies are born every year, which

637
00:34:36.920 --> 00:34:40.079
means you can't support the parents because they can't they

638
00:34:40.119 --> 00:34:42.559
have a citizen child. So that's this in child is

639
00:34:42.599 --> 00:34:46.239
eligible for government benefits. So we're basically telling the pregnant

640
00:34:46.280 --> 00:34:49.199
women of the third world just get across the border,

641
00:34:50.679 --> 00:34:53.599
get to give birth in a public emergency ward at

642
00:34:53.599 --> 00:34:58.559
American taxpayer's expense, and then you are America's problem. Your

643
00:34:58.599 --> 00:35:01.760
whole family is America's problem, and we're going to take

644
00:35:01.760 --> 00:35:03.440
care of you. And all you have to do. You

645
00:35:03.480 --> 00:35:05.480
only have to do one thing. You don't have to work,

646
00:35:05.760 --> 00:35:07.679
you don't have to contribute, you have to serve in

647
00:35:07.679 --> 00:35:10.679
the military. You just have to vote for the Democrats.

648
00:35:11.199 --> 00:35:14.519
That's what you're here for. You are basically you're a

649
00:35:14.639 --> 00:35:17.480
vote farm. Yeah, your vote a vote cattle.

650
00:35:17.840 --> 00:35:20.360
What a kick in the gut to the hard working

651
00:35:20.400 --> 00:35:24.320
American citizen who believes in merit, working hard, providing for

652
00:35:24.400 --> 00:35:27.599
their family. And then they're finding this out that our

653
00:35:27.679 --> 00:35:31.079
government has created a cottage industry, and how many the

654
00:35:31.159 --> 00:35:35.320
numbers of Chinese immigrants and you got fathers you know

655
00:35:35.360 --> 00:35:38.960
that are producing you know, tens and twenty you know,

656
00:35:38.960 --> 00:35:42.679
I think there was one almost one hundred kids through

657
00:35:42.760 --> 00:35:46.559
surrogate mom. There are Chinese companies that specialize in getting

658
00:35:46.840 --> 00:35:50.320
pregnant women in their late term to America, put them

659
00:35:50.360 --> 00:35:53.159
up in hotels, they give birth, and that kid as

660
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a citizen, but he's still subject by Chinese law. He's

661
00:35:57.480 --> 00:35:59.960
still subject to China, and in fact he might have

662
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to do military service for China.

663
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This is a way China could take over America bloodlessly,

664
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just by getting enough pregnant women over here. They give birth,

665
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and those those kids are eligible to run for president.

666
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Yeah, and they're twisting themselves up with pretzel logic over

667
00:36:16.840 --> 00:36:21.760
the worrying of subject to the jurisdiction thereof John Well.

668
00:36:22.440 --> 00:36:26.480
That is a crucial phrase, and it's clear when when

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Congress had to pass a law I think in the

670
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thirties giving citizenship to American Indians because it was they

671
00:36:34.960 --> 00:36:38.400
were clearly not included in the fourteenth Amendment. That right

672
00:36:38.440 --> 00:36:43.639
there proves just being squeezed out on US soil doesn't

673
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make you a citizen. We're one of the only countries

674
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in the world that offers birthright citizenship in Canada, Canada

675
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which has falling apart, and a few Latin American countries,

676
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but nowhere in Europe is their birthright citizenship? Are those dictatorships?

677
00:36:56.880 --> 00:37:01.000
Are those tyrannies? Is that ethnic cleansing? And Germany looks

678
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like they're going to send hundreds of thousands of Syrian

679
00:37:04.000 --> 00:37:07.599
refugees back to Syria. Oh is that the Are they

680
00:37:07.719 --> 00:37:10.840
Nazis now because they're enforcing their own immigration laws?

681
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Yeah?

682
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Exactly, well, and who's to say that they would not

683
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be better off back in their home country.

684
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I mean, that's certainly Germany's better off if they're.

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Backing in their own country, without a doubt. We've got

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Welcome back Bill Martinez here with doctor John Samerica, author

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of the book No Second Amendment, No First.

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it and the immense practical consequences.

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John, How did the Fourteenth Amendment get so perverted?

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You recall, Fourteenth Amendment was written by radical Republicans after

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the Civil War to punish the South. It has expansive

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language in itself. It's kind of a dangerous instrument. I mean,

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they forced the South to ratify it. It was ratified

774
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at gunpoint. It was intended to greatly increase the power

775
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of the federal government, and then you had a Supreme

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Court decision I think in the thirties called the It

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developed the incorporation doctrine, which said, because of the Fourteenth Amendment,

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everything in the Bill of Rights that only applied to

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the federal government now applied to state governments, and the

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federal courts could enforce it. That opened the door to

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endless lawfare and crippled the powers of the states to

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have particular legislation that suited their state, and it kind

783
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of federalized everything. So that was really a catastrophic one

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of many catastrophic twentieth century Supreme Court decisions.

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And what is it about our government and even the

786
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Supreme Court when they get it wrong. I mean, look

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at you know, thank god we reversed Roe v. Wade.

788
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Took toty years to do it. Yeah, yeah, But it

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just seems like there's so many other things within the

790
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bureaucracy that is ineffective and we just just drag it

791
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along with us, along with thirty nine trillion dollars in

792
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debt and counting.

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Well, the Supreme Court is, by definition and by intention, elite.

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It's meant to be elite. The problem is our elites

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are corrupt, unpatriotic, anti religious, power hungry and irresponsible, and

796
00:43:43.800 --> 00:43:46.800
they don't care about the future, they don't care about

797
00:43:46.800 --> 00:43:51.599
their grandchildren, they don't care about their ancestors. So but

798
00:43:51.679 --> 00:43:55.800
the Supreme Court is still tries to reflect elite opinion.

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The Justice of the Supreme Court live in Washington, DC.

800
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The kids go to elite schools, they belong to social clubs.

801
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They don't want to be reflective of the of the

802
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of the first of all, the intent of the founders,

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much less of the voters. They want their colleagues from

804
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Harvard Law School to respect them. They want their friends

805
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at the country club to respect them. I think John

806
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Roberts is just to read in the wind of elite opinion.

807
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So NPR and Harvard Law School essentially run the country

808
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through the Supreme Court. Justice Scalia, God Rest his soul

809
00:44:37.880 --> 00:44:42.039
once said, Essentially, if you're untethered from the original intent

810
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of the Constitution and the authors of the amendments, you

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have a dictatorship of five lawyers. If you have five

812
00:44:49.760 --> 00:44:53.199
lawyers on the court to agree, they can do anything right.

813
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And the President of Congress are powerless. So it's the

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Supreme Court. The courts of it are a kind of supremacy.

815
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Look at all the legitimate powers of Donald Trump has

816
00:45:04.719 --> 00:45:07.039
its president that have been taken away from him by

817
00:45:07.079 --> 00:45:10.639
district court judges. I think he should have been defying

818
00:45:10.679 --> 00:45:13.000
those judges. We should have been at war with those courts,

819
00:45:13.239 --> 00:45:15.960
who are more of a threat to America even than Iran.

820
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Although I'm happy to see Iran getting defanged. Federal judges

821
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are a much greater threat to America than any mullah

822
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over in Tehran.

823
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Yeah, I mean, Donald Trump can't even you know, do

824
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some renovation at the White House with some federal judge

825
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sticking his nose into something that he knows little about

826
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and all of a sudden, I mean, it's not costing

827
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the people any money. You know, even Barack Obama wished

828
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he'd had a ballroom like what Donald Trump is designing.

829
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Right, It's time for the Trump administration to defy, to

830
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defy these judges, defy the courts. Let they have their opinions,

831
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let them enforce them. That's the battle he needs to

832
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be waging. I am glad that it looks like we're

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going to wrap up up military operations in Iran. I

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think it's essential we not put ground troops and we

835
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not take refugees. Those two things would be the end

836
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of Trump's presidency. We would definitely lose the midterms and

837
00:46:12.639 --> 00:46:14.920
the next two years will just be an impeachment circus.

838
00:46:15.199 --> 00:46:19.920
Right. Well, such it was, with all the good things

839
00:46:19.920 --> 00:46:23.039
that Donald Trump has done so far in this second administration,

840
00:46:23.639 --> 00:46:27.039
John Thune and the senators are doing everything they can

841
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to put the midterms in jeopardy.

842
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They want to lose the midterms because then it's an

843
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impeachment circus, and they think they can crush the Trump

844
00:46:36.400 --> 00:46:39.679
populist MAGA movement and go back to the good old

845
00:46:39.760 --> 00:46:43.079
days of Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan and Mitch McConnell,

846
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where the Republicans are essentially the Washington Generals, the basketball

847
00:46:47.800 --> 00:46:51.320
team that plays to lose graciously to the Harlem Globetrotters

848
00:46:51.360 --> 00:46:54.559
every single game. They live very well. They raise a

849
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lot of money from gullible donors. They wasted one hundred

850
00:46:58.079 --> 00:47:02.400
million dollars of Republican donor money meddling in the Texas

851
00:47:02.559 --> 00:47:06.079
Senate primary to try to keep that wretched rhino John

852
00:47:06.119 --> 00:47:09.559
Cornyn in his Senate seat instead of Ken Paxton. That

853
00:47:09.719 --> 00:47:15.400
just shows you the priorities of the Republican establishment. Republican establishment,

854
00:47:15.719 --> 00:47:19.719
it's not so much corrupt. It's essentially a wing of

855
00:47:19.760 --> 00:47:22.960
the Democratic Party. It is the right wing of the

856
00:47:23.079 --> 00:47:27.039
of the uniparty. And Trump was an outsider, and they

857
00:47:27.079 --> 00:47:29.760
never forgave him for being an outsider, for not jumping

858
00:47:29.760 --> 00:47:32.599
through all the hoops. Remember when they nominated Bob Dole

859
00:47:32.679 --> 00:47:33.840
for president because it.

860
00:47:33.760 --> 00:47:34.400
Was his turn.

861
00:47:34.880 --> 00:47:36.599
Exact it was just his turn.

862
00:47:37.199 --> 00:47:39.519
It's like, is this a frat party, is this a

863
00:47:39.599 --> 00:47:42.920
drinking game? Or are we running a country with hundreds

864
00:47:42.960 --> 00:47:45.360
of millions of people and a lot of nuclear weapons?

865
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So maybe we want to take it seriously?

866
00:47:47.639 --> 00:47:48.280
Yeah you think?

867
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Yeah?

868
00:47:49.000 --> 00:47:52.039
And why didn't Trump endorse Paxton?

869
00:47:54.280 --> 00:47:57.880
He is trying to play ball with the Senate Republicans.

870
00:47:58.360 --> 00:48:02.039
He has not internalized the fact that they hate him

871
00:48:02.519 --> 00:48:06.000
and want to destroy him and his family and his voters.

872
00:48:06.440 --> 00:48:11.239
They would rather that the Democrats win every election, every election.

873
00:48:11.400 --> 00:48:14.440
They kind of reminds me of the VC French who

874
00:48:14.480 --> 00:48:19.079
collaborate with the Germans. They hated the left wing, the

875
00:48:19.119 --> 00:48:21.800
French left wing government so much. Some of them were

876
00:48:21.880 --> 00:48:24.719
happy to see the Nazis march in and happy to

877
00:48:24.800 --> 00:48:27.039
work with the Nazis they could find they could wield

878
00:48:27.039 --> 00:48:29.719
a little power and punish their enemies and live comfortably.

879
00:48:29.920 --> 00:48:31.679
They thought the Germans were going to win the war,

880
00:48:32.000 --> 00:48:36.960
so they collaborated with the enemy. I call these Republicans vs.

881
00:48:37.119 --> 00:48:41.360
Republicans because they are essentially collaborators with the Democratic Party

882
00:48:41.360 --> 00:48:44.920
has shown it is not a patriotic mainstream party. It

883
00:48:45.039 --> 00:48:47.760
is an extremist party. It is a crackpot. It's like

884
00:48:47.800 --> 00:48:52.280
the Green Party. Just all the European left wing parties

885
00:48:52.320 --> 00:48:55.119
are the same. They want to import millions of third

886
00:48:55.159 --> 00:48:59.599
world people in Europe. It's Muslims here, it's everyone who

887
00:48:59.599 --> 00:49:04.719
could ever get across the border from wherever, so that

888
00:49:04.760 --> 00:49:07.239
they vote for them, and they're willing to sell out

889
00:49:07.239 --> 00:49:10.639
the country entirely in order to hold onto power. Reminds

890
00:49:10.679 --> 00:49:15.159
me of those Indian chiefs in the nineteenth century where

891
00:49:15.880 --> 00:49:19.000
the white settlers would go to the chief and give

892
00:49:19.079 --> 00:49:22.400
him barrels of rum and rifles in return for him

893
00:49:22.440 --> 00:49:25.239
signing away the tribe's lands. The people didn't vote on that,

894
00:49:25.280 --> 00:49:27.599
they didn't accept that. But oh, here I go. Here's

895
00:49:27.599 --> 00:49:30.039
a piece of paper. You have to move, You have

896
00:49:30.119 --> 00:49:32.119
to go west, you have to cross, you have to

897
00:49:32.199 --> 00:49:36.280
go on the trail of tears because Chief Chief big

898
00:49:36.360 --> 00:49:41.360
drunk signed away your land in return for some rom Right,

899
00:49:41.480 --> 00:49:47.239
that's the Republicans, that's the Republican establishment. They are essentially traders,

900
00:49:47.880 --> 00:49:52.639
whereas the left are essentially fanatics in a kind of

901
00:49:52.800 --> 00:49:55.000
bizarre anti Christian cult.

902
00:49:55.679 --> 00:49:57.960
Well, and here they are. They've closed our government down.

903
00:49:58.000 --> 00:50:01.840
We've got everyday citizen going to work with no pay,

904
00:50:02.679 --> 00:50:06.760
another government shut down, and then and then the resolution

905
00:50:06.880 --> 00:50:09.400
they come up with is absolutely goofy. I think that's

906
00:50:09.480 --> 00:50:12.360
just causing all kinds of brain damage for you know,

907
00:50:12.400 --> 00:50:15.519
the Leader of the House, Mike Johnson, and I can't

908
00:50:15.519 --> 00:50:19.159
blame him, but you know, he's in he's in a

909
00:50:19.159 --> 00:50:23.440
tough spot. And you know, in these kind of standoffs,

910
00:50:23.280 --> 00:50:25.800
it's like, oh, who's gonna blink first? Right, And it

911
00:50:25.880 --> 00:50:27.599
looks like the Republicans have blinked.

912
00:50:28.599 --> 00:50:28.840
Yeah.

913
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Uh.

914
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The Democrats tried to impose a totalitarian government during the

915
00:50:35.320 --> 00:50:39.719
COVID panic. They shut down churches, shut down schools, told

916
00:50:39.800 --> 00:50:43.159
us where we could go, what we could They censored

917
00:50:43.159 --> 00:50:47.440
the media, They kicked doctors off social media for recommending

918
00:50:47.440 --> 00:50:52.400
people take vitamin D. They destroyed the the careers of

919
00:50:52.440 --> 00:50:55.639
people like doctor Peter McCullough. They stripped them the board

920
00:50:55.679 --> 00:51:00.920
certification just for resisting dangerous drugs like remdesevir and the

921
00:51:01.039 --> 00:51:10.239
untested abortion derived COVID vaccine. The aggressive totalitarian nature of

922
00:51:10.239 --> 00:51:13.719
of our elites was was made bare during the COVID panic,

923
00:51:14.239 --> 00:51:18.199
and there we were intensely frustrated that they couldn't steal

924
00:51:18.199 --> 00:51:21.119
the twenty twenty four presidential election, and that was just

925
00:51:21.159 --> 00:51:24.519
because of a few white hack hackers, white hat hackers

926
00:51:24.559 --> 00:51:28.480
behind the scenes who disrupted the election, theft infrastructure that

927
00:51:28.559 --> 00:51:32.639
Kamala Harris was going to use to win. They are

928
00:51:32.800 --> 00:51:36.920
so addicted to power. Think of what think of what

929
00:51:37.079 --> 00:51:39.599
drug addicts will do to get the next fix. They

930
00:51:39.639 --> 00:51:42.519
will steal the gold teeth out of their mother's mouths.

931
00:51:42.719 --> 00:51:45.400
They will they will sell their babies for the next fix.

932
00:51:45.719 --> 00:51:50.920
The Democrats are that attached to power, it is existential

933
00:51:50.960 --> 00:51:53.199
to them. They feel like if you take away their

934
00:51:53.239 --> 00:51:56.880
power to control other people's lives, it's like you're killing

935
00:51:56.880 --> 00:51:58.840
them an act of violence.

936
00:51:59.599 --> 00:52:02.400
Well, the thing is, it's almost like they're America's version

937
00:52:02.440 --> 00:52:03.199
of a death cult.

938
00:52:03.840 --> 00:52:07.519
Yeah, yeah, Remember Jim Jones. Jim Jones's death cult in

939
00:52:07.599 --> 00:52:12.280
Guyana started in San Francisco, where Jim Jones was this

940
00:52:12.320 --> 00:52:15.760
big left wing pastor allied with Willie Brown and he

941
00:52:16.000 --> 00:52:18.000
was the get out the boat machine for the local

942
00:52:18.039 --> 00:52:22.679
Democrats and his closest ally was Harvey Milk, the child

943
00:52:22.760 --> 00:52:26.039
molester who became the icon of the gay rights movement.

944
00:52:26.960 --> 00:52:29.400
It was a child molester who worked with Jim Jones

945
00:52:29.440 --> 00:52:33.920
and Harvey Milk even tried to stop the State Department

946
00:52:33.920 --> 00:52:38.519
from investigating Jim Jones's cult and its abuse of American

947
00:52:38.559 --> 00:52:42.239
citizens down in Guyana. To the very end, the Democrats

948
00:52:42.280 --> 00:52:47.800
were defending Jim Jones. And when he got all these

949
00:52:47.840 --> 00:52:51.760
people to murder themselves, he left all his earthly goods

950
00:52:51.960 --> 00:52:55.519
to the government of the Soviet Union because he saw

951
00:52:55.679 --> 00:53:02.480
he was replacing Christ with communism. The earth Kingdom, the

952
00:53:02.519 --> 00:53:05.000
new Jerusalem the Christ brings at the Second Coming, is

953
00:53:05.039 --> 00:53:10.079
replaced by an earthly dictatorship to be run by fanatics

954
00:53:10.119 --> 00:53:13.400
like Jim Jones. Like Democrats are no giving.

955
00:53:13.639 --> 00:53:16.039
Like we've never seen that before. Nothing new under the sun,

956
00:53:16.119 --> 00:53:19.440
Doctor John, Doctor John's America. Author of No Second Amendment,

957
00:53:19.440 --> 00:53:22.599
No First and the Politically and Correct Guide the Catholicism,

958
00:53:22.599 --> 00:53:24.679
and also Immigration.

959
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the terrorist therapist. Doctor Carrol always good to have you

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How are you?

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Thank you?

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Fine?

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Thank you?

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Hey.

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Lots to catch up on. We got a brand new

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Supreme Court ruling that I want to get your spin on.

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But before we do, let's let's address TDS. I mean,

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this trumped arrangement syndrome is just it's messing up everything.

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And I don't think people are realizing how dangerous this is.

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Yes, absolutely, it keeps getting worse and worse every day.

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You know, during his first term there was trumped arrangement

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syndrome and the people used to mention that and people

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would laugh and so on. But now it has not

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become it is no longer a laughing matter. There are

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you know, from from let's the no King's protests for example,

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this past weekend. You know, it's just gotten worse and worse.

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I mean even to the point where Iran is put

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on there. You know, they created a fatois months ago,

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but more recently they put on their state TV pictures

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about Butler, Pennsylvania because they were trying even more to

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encourage people to assassinate him. You know, this guy in Butler,

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Pennsylvania didn't do the job.

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But you can go out there exactly.

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You know, it's not only money. I mean, the real

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reward is that Allah is gonna is gonna favor you

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when you get to heaven because you'd be a martyr

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and you'd be you know, you'd be.

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What whatever, whatever your idea, Heaven is well, right.

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But you know, I was just on the phone just

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before we started well on Zoom with a woman in

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Israel who I've been doing therapy with. I mean, I've

1022
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been doing this since since October seventh with various people,

1023
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various Israelis, and then I went to Israel in October

1024
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to help people, to volunteer to help people as a

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psychiatrist with their PTSD and everything else. And you know,

1026
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she was talking about how there are some people in

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Israel who are getting paid I mean, this probably isn't

1028
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a big shock, but who are getting paid by Iran

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to spy on Israel, and particularly they if you they're

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not supposed to tell. You're not supposed to talk in

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your groups about where the the missile hit, because then

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they they these spies tell you know, the people who

1033
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they're who they report to, you know, how to get

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it closer the next time. But as she was talking

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about how they were such traders, and I'm thinking to myself,

1036
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just like the people with TDS in America.

1037
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Right exactly, Well, because what happens Doctor Carroll's you as

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you understand you're you're not dealing with You have no

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truth agency. You've abandoned the truth. So everything is so

1040
00:57:55.239 --> 00:57:59.440
squarely you don't know who to trust. You can't even

1041
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believe your eyes. I mean, you get to the point

1042
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that you're so deranged that you can't even see it

1043
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straight yourself.

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Yes, you know. I have been working, as you alluded to,

1045
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I have been working since for a year now, it's

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a year this month on a proposal that I'm going

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to be bringing to the American Psychiatric Association to propose

1048
00:58:24.280 --> 00:58:28.280
that they include TEDS as an official diagnosis. At the

1049
00:58:28.360 --> 00:58:31.840
point of this is first of all, to get help

1050
00:58:31.880 --> 00:58:34.360
for people, because a lot of people don't realize just

1051
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how far gone they are. And the Diagnostic and Statistical

1052
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Manual is basically the dictionary for mental health professionals. So

1053
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if more mental health professionals are aware of the symptoms

1054
00:58:46.960 --> 00:58:50.639
and so on, they'd be able to diagnose their patients

1055
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more easily with that, recognize them in any case, and

1056
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help them. And also it's because the insurance companies use

1057
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the DSM for the numbers. You according to what numbers

1058
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diagnosis you have, that's how much money you supposedly are

1059
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going to get. So it's all of that. And really

1060
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also it's to take it from being a joke to

1061
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something that people take seriously, because it really is. You know,

1062
00:59:18.039 --> 00:59:20.840
it's affecting not only the person who has it, but

1063
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it's affecting their marriage, it's affecting their family, their workplace,

1064
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it's affecting you know, the people they come in contact with.

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And so, so my definition is Trump arrangement syndrome is

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an irrational, quasi psychotic hatred of anything Trump, resulting in

1067
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rage and over the top efforts to destroy him and

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his work. And this spreads to people who are associated

1069
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with him. Jd. Vance elon Musk Milania, how they reacted

1070
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to her movie and Barren and so, so it really

1071
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is all comes so I divided it. I mean, this

1072
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is very very detailed, because you know, the more detailed

1073
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and the more it's like the diagnoses, the other diagnoses

1074
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in the DSM, the.

1075
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More like, Well, I was going to ask you that this,

1076
01:00:14.559 --> 01:00:19.400
I mean, you've specified it and connected it with Donald Trump.

1077
01:00:19.880 --> 01:00:24.079
But this kind of psychosis has been in existence forever,

1078
01:00:24.199 --> 01:00:26.639
has it not? I mean, what did we call it before?

1079
01:00:26.760 --> 01:00:28.079
Propaganda or whatever it was?

1080
01:00:28.119 --> 01:00:28.880
What was it?

1081
01:00:29.440 --> 01:00:29.719
Right?

1082
01:00:29.840 --> 01:00:35.920
Well, I mean you know, yes, you could say, but propaganda.

1083
01:00:37.199 --> 01:00:39.880
I mean, here's the thing, it isn't I make it

1084
01:00:39.960 --> 01:00:43.000
clear at the beginning, because otherwise they wouldn't even read it.

1085
01:00:43.400 --> 01:00:46.559
But I make it clear that this isn't about politics,

1086
01:00:47.199 --> 01:00:52.719
that this is. This is about people having a an illogical,

1087
01:00:52.960 --> 01:00:58.039
quasi psychotic reaction to the man. You know, it's not

1088
01:00:58.199 --> 01:01:01.480
just I mean, not any republic for example, if another

1089
01:01:01.519 --> 01:01:05.920
Republican was president, they wouldn't necessarily wouldn't necessarily be that

1090
01:01:06.119 --> 01:01:11.400
guy's uh derangement syndrome. You know, it's it's very personal

1091
01:01:11.440 --> 01:01:15.960
to him, and it's because you know, he is a

1092
01:01:15.960 --> 01:01:18.119
bit like a bullet in china shop and he has

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to be to get all his u what he promised

1094
01:01:21.800 --> 01:01:24.400
done and with believes in. It's not just that he

1095
01:01:24.480 --> 01:01:27.239
promised it, you know, he really he's putting his life

1096
01:01:27.239 --> 01:01:33.000
on the line every day to get and so so

1097
01:01:33.719 --> 01:01:38.639
you know, so it's it's he well there, depending upon

1098
01:01:38.920 --> 01:01:40.639
if you're a man or a woman, or you know,

1099
01:01:40.679 --> 01:01:44.960
who you are, your personality, who you are psychologically, that

1100
01:01:45.000 --> 01:01:48.800
would determine whether you are more or less vulnerable to TDS.

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01:01:48.840 --> 01:01:51.719
I mean, of course, there's also the impact of people

1102
01:01:51.760 --> 01:01:55.719
around you on you and so on, you know, paying

1103
01:01:55.760 --> 01:01:58.039
you to be in a no king's rally for example.

1104
01:01:58.599 --> 01:02:02.559
But so for example, for men, it has to do

1105
01:02:02.679 --> 01:02:04.840
with like if you're a man who has low self

1106
01:02:04.920 --> 01:02:09.079
esteem and you compare yourself to Trump, and he has

1107
01:02:09.119 --> 01:02:13.000
everything that these that stereotypically men are supposed to achieve.

1108
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He has a great education and Ivy League education, he

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has a beautiful wife, he has made a lot of money,

1110
01:02:21.559 --> 01:02:23.519
he has a lot of power. President of the United

1111
01:02:23.559 --> 01:02:27.280
States two times, not consecutively. I mean, you know, so

1112
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some men with low self esteem and who are feeling

1113
01:02:29.639 --> 01:02:32.000
that they don't have everything in life that they wanted,

1114
01:02:33.360 --> 01:02:36.880
they are more likely to to you know, blame everything

1115
01:02:36.880 --> 01:02:40.159
on him, their lacks on him, it's because of Trump

1116
01:02:40.320 --> 01:02:44.000
doing something. And so that's one group. And then there

1117
01:02:44.079 --> 01:02:47.559
are the women. The women most likely to have Trump

1118
01:02:47.679 --> 01:02:53.719
Arrangement syndrome are white college educated women, and they you know,

1119
01:02:53.760 --> 01:02:57.039
it started with the pussy hats, Yeah, that kind of

1120
01:02:57.079 --> 01:03:02.800
women and so so so they're more vulnerable to this,

1121
01:03:03.039 --> 01:03:05.519
but anybody really can have. It also has to do

1122
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with growing up, whether you had problems with authority, like

1123
01:03:10.199 --> 01:03:13.639
starting with your parents and then other authority figures. That's

1124
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part of it too, so but I was gonna say,

1125
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you know, so, I divided it into mild, moderate, and severe,

1126
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and I give examples of people you know who we

1127
01:03:24.559 --> 01:03:28.480
all know who fit into these categories. And I ocriginally

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had Jimmy Kimmel and his wife in the mild category,

1129
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which was kind of being generous but right, But lately

1130
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he has taken himself out of the mild category. He's

1131
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at least in moderate.

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Hey, welcome back Bill Martinez here with America psychiatrist Carol Lieberman. Well,

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doctor Lieberman, you start to break it down. Jimmy Kimball

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01:08:28.479 --> 01:08:30.800
has has jumped the shark a bit. He went from

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being moderate.

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To being from moderate right.

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Right, yes, oh so from mild. Now he's moderate, not

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01:08:38.000 --> 01:08:40.319
over the top. Trigger don well in.

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My piece of ear. And he keeps on, keeps on,

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01:08:42.840 --> 01:08:45.039
keeping on the way he's been going like he was

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01:08:45.119 --> 01:08:49.680
apparently in he brought his children to the No Kings rallies.

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01:08:50.079 --> 01:08:52.680
Now you know, I see that as a sign of

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01:08:53.159 --> 01:08:55.560
it's bad parenting. First of all, you know, you bring

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01:08:55.600 --> 01:08:57.880
your children to a rally like that which you know

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01:08:58.039 --> 01:09:01.479
is going to ultimately end up being violent. It that's,

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01:09:01.560 --> 01:09:05.359
you know, really bad. But but also it's it's a

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01:09:05.399 --> 01:09:08.359
sign of desperation, I think, because he's still trying to

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01:09:08.359 --> 01:09:11.800
seem get more you know, viewers, and be more relevant.

1241
01:09:12.920 --> 01:09:15.720
And why why would you expose your children to something

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01:09:15.880 --> 01:09:21.439
that is it's there's no veritas in you know, this whole.

1243
01:09:21.640 --> 01:09:24.560
No king's right, I mean, we have no king. I mean,

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01:09:24.560 --> 01:09:28.279
if Donald Trump was a king, Heaven help us, we

1245
01:09:28.359 --> 01:09:30.720
might be able to get you know, our government open

1246
01:09:30.760 --> 01:09:34.439
again a lot faster, just a couple other things. I

1247
01:09:34.439 --> 01:09:39.319
think Iron would suddenly be missing off the map quite expeditiously.

1248
01:09:40.000 --> 01:09:41.880
You know, there's some other things that could happen. But

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01:09:41.960 --> 01:09:43.840
I you know, and I'm stretching in a bit because

1250
01:09:43.880 --> 01:09:46.560
I don't see Donald Trump as being you know that crazy.

1251
01:09:46.880 --> 01:09:50.039
But still it's just it's just nuts to suggest he's

1252
01:09:50.079 --> 01:09:52.640
a king. You know, we do have a constitution.

1253
01:09:52.760 --> 01:09:56.479
Right, absolutely, yes, and so many things with the things

1254
01:09:56.520 --> 01:09:59.479
that he was voted in to do would be done

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01:09:59.520 --> 01:10:01.359
by now. You know, if you didn't have to have law,

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01:10:01.439 --> 01:10:04.560
their and and all these other problems. Uh, people who

1257
01:10:04.600 --> 01:10:05.359
are stopping it.

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01:10:07.520 --> 01:10:10.039
But I guess it's a bad thing, right Carrol, that

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01:10:10.359 --> 01:10:13.239
you want to seal the border, you want to have

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01:10:13.520 --> 01:10:18.239
uh financial accountability of a government. Uh, you know, you

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01:10:18.319 --> 01:10:22.479
want national security for all its citizens and not only

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01:10:22.520 --> 01:10:25.079
that but the world. I mean, somehow that's a bad thing.

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01:10:26.079 --> 01:10:30.760
Yes, And and you know the fact that so many

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01:10:30.760 --> 01:10:33.520
Democrats you know that proved it in his State of

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01:10:33.520 --> 01:10:37.479
the Union speech that they prefer or they favor illegal

1266
01:10:37.479 --> 01:10:41.560
immigrants over Americans, you know. I mean, and I think

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01:10:41.600 --> 01:10:47.000
that the biggest shock and the worst thing of all

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01:10:47.279 --> 01:10:51.760
is not funding the Department of Homeland Security where we

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01:10:51.840 --> 01:10:55.159
are in the greatest danger exactly fact.

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01:10:55.239 --> 01:10:58.319
Ever before we've had five we've had five incidents is

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01:10:58.439 --> 01:11:04.159
right now already where illegal or or naturalized citizens have

1272
01:11:04.840 --> 01:11:08.079
jumped the shark and uh and what are they claiming

1273
01:11:08.159 --> 01:11:11.079
a lah acbar and and they're claiming you know, the

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01:11:11.159 --> 01:11:15.199
ayatola so hello, And meanwhile, we're not going to fund

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01:11:15.560 --> 01:11:18.560
our line of defense at a time like this. This

1276
01:11:18.680 --> 01:11:19.479
is insane.

1277
01:11:19.960 --> 01:11:22.159
Yes, I mean, it's not just about t s A.

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01:11:22.640 --> 01:11:24.640
That's you know, sort of the least of it. It's

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01:11:24.720 --> 01:11:30.159
it's it's general homeland security, all aspects of it exactly.

1280
01:11:30.479 --> 01:11:32.640
So you know, you have to wonder. I mean, I've

1281
01:11:32.880 --> 01:11:37.319
been wondering, how, how, what is wrong with these people?

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01:11:39.560 --> 01:11:43.399
That's what's wrong with them, right, you know, because they're

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01:11:43.560 --> 01:11:47.479
they're putting their own safety at risk by by not

1284
01:11:48.359 --> 01:11:53.439
voting forth voting through the funding for the DHS.

1285
01:11:54.159 --> 01:11:56.479
I mean, and and what are they telling their kids?

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01:11:57.159 --> 01:11:59.600
You know, you got Jimmy Kimmel telling his kids, you know,

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01:11:59.760 --> 01:12:02.520
some how we have a king in the White House,

1288
01:12:02.560 --> 01:12:04.720
I mean, which is a big fat lie. So now

1289
01:12:04.720 --> 01:12:06.159
you're lying to your kids. I mean, what are you

1290
01:12:06.199 --> 01:12:08.640
gonna tell him? Now the Easter Bunny is for real?

1291
01:12:09.760 --> 01:12:13.880
Well that would be so bad. But you know, Jimmy

1292
01:12:13.960 --> 01:12:17.239
Kimmel's wife is the problem too. She you may have

1293
01:12:17.319 --> 01:12:20.560
heard this that she talks about how she has sort

1294
01:12:20.600 --> 01:12:25.000
of disowned members of her family. She told them not

1295
01:12:25.119 --> 01:12:27.920
to vote for Trump, and some of them did, and

1296
01:12:27.960 --> 01:12:31.079
so she's disowned them. So she's not I don't know

1297
01:12:31.079 --> 01:12:33.880
about what she how. I don't know about her mothering either,

1298
01:12:35.640 --> 01:12:39.039
but but we you know, it's like what Netanyahu said

1299
01:12:39.359 --> 01:12:44.439
when he was talking to Congress. He said, chickens, Wait, no,

1300
01:12:44.560 --> 01:12:47.920
he said, gays for Gaza are like chickens for KFC.

1301
01:12:48.399 --> 01:12:50.960
That is such I love that quote. I say it

1302
01:12:51.000 --> 01:12:54.079
a lot because, you know, it's kind of like what

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01:12:54.119 --> 01:12:57.800
we're talking about with the people not voting in funding

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01:12:57.840 --> 01:13:01.159
for a Department of Homeland Security, because because they are

1305
01:13:01.199 --> 01:13:08.920
making their sacrificing themselves, they are ignorantly supporting something that

1306
01:13:09.079 --> 01:13:11.359
is a danger to themselves. They're going to be slaughtered

1307
01:13:11.359 --> 01:13:12.359
like the chicken.

1308
01:13:12.680 --> 01:13:15.800
Right exactly. Well, uh, five minutes left. I didn't want

1309
01:13:15.800 --> 01:13:20.359
to talk about Scouts striking down the Colorado conversion therapy ban.

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01:13:20.640 --> 01:13:22.359
Break that down for us. What's going on here?

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01:13:22.880 --> 01:13:23.239
Oh?

1312
01:13:23.239 --> 01:13:26.640
Well, finally there's some sanity in the.

1313
01:13:27.039 --> 01:13:29.319
Yeah, we go from we go from the insane to

1314
01:13:29.399 --> 01:13:30.760
some sanity. I love it.

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01:13:30.880 --> 01:13:34.520
Yes, Well, now, of course, the only thing is though

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01:13:34.520 --> 01:13:36.399
that they struck They struck down a band in the

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01:13:36.520 --> 01:13:44.840
Supreme Court struck down Colorado's ban on therapists doing so

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01:13:44.880 --> 01:13:48.920
called conversion therapy. In other words, therapists.

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01:13:48.359 --> 01:13:53.760
Who talk to people who who the therapy with people who,

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01:13:54.079 --> 01:13:58.880
of course, who who were.

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01:13:58.840 --> 01:14:01.640
Questioning their sexuals and their gender and all of that.

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01:14:02.119 --> 01:14:05.760
And so they they saw it as I mean, the

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01:14:05.760 --> 01:14:08.600
people in Colorado who made the band saw it as

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01:14:10.119 --> 01:14:15.920
telling people not to not to become the sex that

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01:14:15.960 --> 01:14:18.319
they really are. I mean, you know, not to transition

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01:14:18.680 --> 01:14:22.760
basically is what we're talking about. And so and you

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01:14:22.760 --> 01:14:24.640
know the idea. I mean when that first happened, which

1328
01:14:24.640 --> 01:14:28.039
was twenty nineteen, I was pretty shocked as a psychiatrist

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01:14:28.319 --> 01:14:31.000
because I mean, you can't since when can you tell

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01:14:31.119 --> 01:14:34.560
us you know what therapy to do or how Because

1331
01:14:34.560 --> 01:14:42.439
the people who are have transitioned, they are confused. You know,

1332
01:14:42.479 --> 01:14:46.680
they have been they have been kidnapped, hijacked and told

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01:14:46.760 --> 01:14:49.760
that what their problem is that is that they were

1334
01:14:49.800 --> 01:14:52.880
born a woman, but they're really a man or vice versa.

1335
01:14:53.479 --> 01:14:57.960
And and really, you know, especially after the after COVID,

1336
01:14:58.399 --> 01:15:04.039
they were kids, I mean, younger people were especially in

1337
01:15:04.359 --> 01:15:06.840
distraught because they were kept home from school and they

1338
01:15:06.840 --> 01:15:09.319
were you know, not socialized. They missed two years of

1339
01:15:09.359 --> 01:15:14.079
psychological socialization, so they were lost. And so when their

1340
01:15:14.119 --> 01:15:16.840
teachers told them, or when social media told them to

1341
01:15:16.920 --> 01:15:19.239
transition and that's your problem, and when you change from

1342
01:15:19.239 --> 01:15:20.800
a girl to a boy or a boy or a girl,

1343
01:15:21.039 --> 01:15:23.720
then you'll be happy. And of course it doesn't work.

1344
01:15:24.039 --> 01:15:26.520
And so what they need is what they've needed all

1345
01:15:26.560 --> 01:15:27.760
along is therapy.

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01:15:27.800 --> 01:15:27.840
You.

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01:15:28.159 --> 01:15:31.239
I don't call it conversion therapy, but it's therapy to

1348
01:15:31.239 --> 01:15:34.279
get to the root of how they're feeling. They're so

1349
01:15:34.399 --> 01:15:38.279
unhappy with themselves, and to figure out what that is,

1350
01:15:38.680 --> 01:15:41.840
and not to just give them hormones and lop orf

1351
01:15:42.640 --> 01:15:45.399
lop off body parts exactly.

1352
01:15:45.880 --> 01:15:49.079
Yeah, I mean, Carol, help me understand this because I

1353
01:15:49.159 --> 01:15:53.039
keep asking this question in the United States, what is

1354
01:15:53.119 --> 01:15:57.840
the universe here of gender dysphoria? I mean, are we

1355
01:15:57.920 --> 01:16:02.760
talking ten percent of the kids? One percent? I can't

1356
01:16:02.760 --> 01:16:04.000
seem to get a number here.

1357
01:16:05.159 --> 01:16:09.600
That's because you know, it's very people are in different

1358
01:16:09.640 --> 01:16:15.640
stages and it's really only they're only numbers. It's you know,

1359
01:16:15.960 --> 01:16:19.640
I've read ten percent, but the number is fluctuating. I

1360
01:16:19.640 --> 01:16:22.039
think it's going to be going down now. One because

1361
01:16:22.079 --> 01:16:25.760
of Trump cutting off funding to these clinics that do

1362
01:16:25.800 --> 01:16:30.199
these gender you know, affirmative care, so called affirmative care.

1363
01:16:30.680 --> 01:16:35.680
And also because there are more people de transitioning and

1364
01:16:35.760 --> 01:16:38.479
they and they are a good role model for.

1365
01:16:38.520 --> 01:16:39.960
The people who are thinking exactly.

1366
01:16:40.319 --> 01:16:44.479
And also the lawsuits that have begun where these people

1367
01:16:44.520 --> 01:16:47.680
who have transitioned, who were kind of coerced into transitioning

1368
01:16:48.199 --> 01:16:51.520
are suing their doctors. So all of that together, I

1369
01:16:51.520 --> 01:16:54.039
think will help to put a damper on this.

1370
01:16:54.840 --> 01:16:55.039
Well.

1371
01:16:55.079 --> 01:16:58.920
Also, we have empirical evidence, you know, now being revealed

1372
01:16:59.600 --> 01:17:03.000
in your Europe the countries that tried this and said hey,

1373
01:17:03.039 --> 01:17:05.199
this is not working, and they got out of it

1374
01:17:05.239 --> 01:17:10.039
fairly quickly. The United States for some reason. Again, you know,

1375
01:17:10.119 --> 01:17:13.199
you can call it. I mean, we've got mental issues here,

1376
01:17:13.920 --> 01:17:18.640
you know, whether you call it Trump arrangement, syndrome, gender dysphoria,

1377
01:17:18.720 --> 01:17:21.840
whatever it is. I mean, we are a basket case.

1378
01:17:22.079 --> 01:17:25.000
Can you put the whole country on the couch, doctor Carroll.

1379
01:17:24.960 --> 01:17:26.880
I would like to, and that's exactly what I would

1380
01:17:26.880 --> 01:17:27.279
like to do.

1381
01:17:28.720 --> 01:17:28.920
You know.

1382
01:17:29.000 --> 01:17:34.359
May it may be because the doctors in America, doctors

1383
01:17:34.359 --> 01:17:38.560
in most other countries, there are some socialized medicine, which

1384
01:17:38.600 --> 01:17:40.520
is not good. That is not that is you know,

1385
01:17:40.560 --> 01:17:43.039
they're not necessarily getting the best treatment because they have

1386
01:17:43.039 --> 01:17:44.960
to wait long. They have to wait months and months

1387
01:17:44.960 --> 01:17:46.600
to get surgeries for cancer and.

1388
01:17:46.520 --> 01:17:47.199
All kinds of things.

1389
01:17:47.920 --> 01:17:50.319
That's I'm not saying that's the way to go, but

1390
01:17:50.760 --> 01:17:54.760
it is not the capitalist system where doctors who are

1391
01:17:54.800 --> 01:17:59.520
fed up with not getting paid sufficient wages because of

1392
01:17:59.560 --> 01:18:03.000
the insurance and companies, being as they are, have taken

1393
01:18:04.119 --> 01:18:12.920
Some doctors have taken advantage of this affirmative affirmative care

1394
01:18:13.560 --> 01:18:18.960
gender affirmation in order to make money because they have

1395
01:18:19.079 --> 01:18:22.279
these clinics where it's like a pipeline and instead of

1396
01:18:22.359 --> 01:18:26.159
talking to the people, you're supposed to talk to someone

1397
01:18:26.199 --> 01:18:29.800
who comes in and is asking for some kind of

1398
01:18:30.119 --> 01:18:32.880
surgery or hormones or whatever, or their parents are you're

1399
01:18:32.920 --> 01:18:35.960
supposed to talk to them and find out if they

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01:18:36.000 --> 01:18:40.039
really do have gender dysphoria and vitoria is something that

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01:18:40.079 --> 01:18:44.000
you have to have for six months at least. Now

1402
01:18:44.000 --> 01:18:46.520
when the parents are bringing in three years, three year

1403
01:18:46.560 --> 01:18:49.399
olds an eight year olds, I mean, there's no way

1404
01:18:49.439 --> 01:18:52.039
they don't. You can't even tell that they that that

1405
01:18:52.199 --> 01:18:56.920
is just that's abuse. And it's typically unconsciously at least

1406
01:18:57.520 --> 01:19:01.560
something sometimes consciously parents who wanted a girl and they

1407
01:19:01.560 --> 01:19:04.439
got a boy or vice versa. And so there are

1408
01:19:04.600 --> 01:19:07.880
parents who want to seem cool to their friends. You know,

1409
01:19:08.079 --> 01:19:12.079
look what I'm doing. I'm affirming that she's a she

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01:19:12.279 --> 01:19:13.119
or he's a she er.

1411
01:19:14.640 --> 01:19:18.039
And then you're pounding these kids with hormones, uh, you know,

1412
01:19:18.119 --> 01:19:21.199
without really you know, kind of a process here, if

1413
01:19:21.239 --> 01:19:23.199
I'm hearing you correctly, Yes.

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01:19:23.319 --> 01:19:25.600
I mean they talk to the person for like a

1415
01:19:25.640 --> 01:19:28.399
half an hour or an hour or maybe two hours

1416
01:19:28.439 --> 01:19:30.800
at most, and then they put them through the pipeline

1417
01:19:31.359 --> 01:19:34.520
and and they tell they scare the parents. It's not

1418
01:19:34.600 --> 01:19:37.560
all the parents who wanted a different uh R six,

1419
01:19:38.079 --> 01:19:41.439
but they scare the parents by telling them something that

1420
01:19:41.600 --> 01:19:44.920
isn't true, that the kids, if they don't do this,

1421
01:19:45.319 --> 01:19:48.600
that their kids will commit suicide exactly research that should

1422
01:19:48.600 --> 01:19:51.760
show that their kids will commit suicide. Well that's not true.

1423
01:19:52.600 --> 01:19:56.399
How dare they say that to the parents. That is

1424
01:19:56.920 --> 01:20:01.680
it's beyond disgusting. You know, it's like yelling fire in

1425
01:20:01.760 --> 01:20:04.079
the theater, you know, which we've talked about. I mean,

1426
01:20:04.119 --> 01:20:06.720
this thing, this thing is just nuts. Like I said,

1427
01:20:06.760 --> 01:20:08.960
we've got to get everybody on the couch here, Doctor Carroll,

1428
01:20:09.039 --> 01:20:11.520
maybe you can help us out, but you know, I

1429
01:20:11.560 --> 01:20:15.279
think we've got to return to some foundational principles that

1430
01:20:15.439 --> 01:20:18.319
really start with the truth. You know, we've abandoned the

1431
01:20:18.319 --> 01:20:20.640
truth and we're paying the big price for it. Look at,

1432
01:20:20.960 --> 01:20:22.239
we got to have you back because we've got to

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talk more about this Supreme Court ruling, and you know,

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to weigh this out because this is going to have

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Right.

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Yes, there are other states that have the band too,

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but undoubtedly they're gonna, you know, be thinking about or

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be forced to do the same thing. Take away the ban.

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Well, she's America psychiatrist, doctor Carol Lieberman. Thank you, Carol,

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Welcome morning, America.

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Good to have you with us.

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Film Martinez here along with the Ministry Leader and leader

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of the Men, the one and only Jeff can't pay Jeff.

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01:25:03.800 --> 01:25:06.239
Happy Easter. You know we're still in the glow of

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it all. I mean, what a great time. I mean,

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01:25:09.319 --> 01:25:12.880
this was I sely this was one of the better

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01:25:12.960 --> 01:25:16.359
Lenten seasons that I've experienced recently.

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01:25:17.079 --> 01:25:19.640
I think probably built They're all getting better for you

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01:25:19.880 --> 01:25:22.680
and for those of us who are starting to realize

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the full meaning of Lent, the full meaning of ash Wednesday,

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01:25:28.119 --> 01:25:31.359
beginning it the somber morning of our sin, good Friday,

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01:25:31.720 --> 01:25:35.640
thattrageous price that Christ paid, and that we caused it

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01:25:35.880 --> 01:25:41.479
with our rebellion. And if we practice that over the

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01:25:41.560 --> 01:25:43.520
years and start to really appreciate it, then all of

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a sudden, Easter means so much more than a great

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meal and the Easter eggs and fun with the kids,

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or you know, we get to sing some great songs

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at church. Now it literally is the triumph and power

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for our lives, the resurrection. And I'm thinking this morning

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as I took a walk and then immerse myself in

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God's word with the help of a sermon from Tim Keller,

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that the death of Jesus and the resurrection of Jesus

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is the parallel to the death of our selfish will

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and our mission. That we are moral failures who can't

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fix ourselves and save ourselves. And then the resurrection is

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a gift that we receive. And it's actually not just

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the religious celebration of Easter, but it's the way we live.

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I die to myself and I gained the life of Christ.

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I admit I messed up and spoke to my wife wrongly.

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I need God's power to be a good husband. Jesus

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01:26:52.840 --> 01:26:56.239
gives me his power. He's overcome my sin. That's the resurrection.

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I messed up the last two years of running the

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show my own way. But I'm going to tell God

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I'm sorry. I'm going to confess. I'm gonna be honest

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with a friend or two a mentor and say I've been,

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you know, bullheaded. And I'm going to accept God's guidance

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and say, Father, not my will, but thy will be

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done as Jesus did, which changes the whole equation. So

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the death to my way and the resurrection to Jesus's

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way is the pattern for our Christian life. We just

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want to shorten that cycle, don't We don't. We don't

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want to wait a month before going to confession. We

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don't want to wait a week before going to confession.

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A Protestant doesn't want to wait three days before telling

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God they're sorry. A Catholic doesn't want to wait till

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they talk to the priest before saying God, I'm sorry.

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We want to constantly say God, oh, I lost track

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of things.

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I was in charge there, Please forgive me.

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And one last thing before I let you finally talk

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on your show Bill. It's also important not just to

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01:28:06.039 --> 01:28:09.560
vertically processed life with God and say, hey, I messed up.

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I need your resurrection forgiveness. It's important to horizontally in

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human relationships, latterly as God made us as relational, to

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process with our wife or husband, with our child that

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we might have offended. But I say, and and research

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01:28:28.159 --> 01:28:30.880
with back this up, that we need a team of friends,

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01:28:30.920 --> 01:28:34.399
close friends, core friends, that we confess our sins one

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to another and pray for one another. That we will

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be healed from the patterns of sin trap us when

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we live in isolation. So may this Easter remind us, Wow,

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01:28:45.720 --> 01:28:48.119
I need to confess the death of my own way

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01:28:49.439 --> 01:28:55.399
accept the resurrection of Jesus's way. And like Peter, James

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01:28:55.399 --> 01:28:59.840
and John have friends that I process my life with horizontally.

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So I gained the benefit of what James wrote in

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01:29:03.800 --> 01:29:08.920
his epistle confession struggles and sins and temptations one to

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another and pray for each other, and you will be healed,

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01:29:13.319 --> 01:29:16.439
set free from drinking too much, yelling too much, getting

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so angry looking at them, you know, pornography or whatever

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01:29:21.079 --> 01:29:24.319
it is that is trapping you. We need to be

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set free, and friendship and teamwork is a part of that.

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Well, you know, to hear you describe this, I see

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it as the Grand Exchange, Jeff. You know all that

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Jesus gave us, you know we're going to take. He's

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01:29:38.119 --> 01:29:40.720
got this for that. You know, that is the things

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of the world that hold you down. And as he

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rose from the dead, he's raising us up. He's elevating

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us into the heavenlyes to look above, to take you know,

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a thirty thousand view perspective of this world which is

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01:29:56.479 --> 01:30:00.039
fading away. It's rusting, and we are holding on to

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01:30:00.079 --> 01:30:04.159
it like for dear life. And you can't you can't

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01:30:04.199 --> 01:30:08.119
really ascend into the heavenlies and be seated with Christ

1596
01:30:08.399 --> 01:30:10.119
if you want to hold on to the things of

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01:30:10.159 --> 01:30:12.960
the world. And here it is, I mean, it was

1598
01:30:13.000 --> 01:30:16.960
a dramatic experience for the Apostles to go through this,

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01:30:17.119 --> 01:30:20.399
I mean here with all their ideas and thoughts. I mean,

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even Judas, I mean had a thought that Jesus was

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01:30:22.479 --> 01:30:25.720
supposed to act a certain way. Peter consistently had a

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01:30:25.720 --> 01:30:29.199
different conflict. But you know, and he even went so

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01:30:29.279 --> 01:30:31.039
far as deny it and I know for some people

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they wanted to go, well, why was Judas allowed to

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you know, run, you know, and end up hanging himself

1606
01:30:39.399 --> 01:30:44.159
and betraying Jesus and Peter. You know here he he

1607
01:30:44.199 --> 01:30:48.359
did a lot of boneheaded things too, but you know

1608
01:30:48.399 --> 01:30:52.119
here it is, you know, Peter is saved and he's able.

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01:30:52.239 --> 01:30:54.640
I mean, and even as he's gone through this again,

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01:30:54.680 --> 01:30:57.560
it's almost like in studying the life of David, you know,

1611
01:30:57.600 --> 01:31:00.800
people are confused going why was David a man after

1612
01:31:00.840 --> 01:31:04.039
God's own heart? He kills his friend, marries his wife.

1613
01:31:04.319 --> 01:31:09.760
I mean, he was really a hot mess in those terms.

1614
01:31:10.199 --> 01:31:14.439
But again God knows our heart. And the challenge in

1615
01:31:14.520 --> 01:31:18.079
all this is how do we empty ourselves, as Mother

1616
01:31:18.159 --> 01:31:21.039
Olga says, empty ourselves, fill us with those things that

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01:31:21.079 --> 01:31:22.920
are of God, and then use us.

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01:31:23.640 --> 01:31:28.560
Well, Bill, David messed up like every other human, and

1619
01:31:28.640 --> 01:31:31.399
even in a larger scale, right with the murder and

1620
01:31:31.439 --> 01:31:37.479
the adulter and stealing Eriiah's wife and Peter. I was

1621
01:31:38.359 --> 01:31:41.359
listening to that story. He not only denied Jesus three times,

1622
01:31:41.359 --> 01:31:45.119
but he called down curses. And the pastor I was

1623
01:31:45.159 --> 01:31:48.039
listening to Tim Keller said the way that the tense

1624
01:31:48.560 --> 01:31:52.199
of that verb was described. He was calling down curses

1625
01:31:52.239 --> 01:31:54.840
on other people, not on himself, and he wouldn't have

1626
01:31:54.880 --> 01:31:59.359
been cursing the girl. He probably was cursing Jesus trying

1627
01:31:59.399 --> 01:32:01.199
to say no, no, no, no, I don't follow that guy,

1628
01:32:01.279 --> 01:32:03.399
you know, curse him.

1629
01:32:03.720 --> 01:32:05.199
Yeah, that's how deep.

1630
01:32:05.319 --> 01:32:12.199
Peter's failure was. Okay, but Peter was honest and David

1631
01:32:12.399 --> 01:32:15.399
was honest, and they came around and knew that they

1632
01:32:15.399 --> 01:32:19.680
had failed. Okay, they confessed their sin, and God is

1633
01:32:19.720 --> 01:32:22.479
faithful and justine forgive us our sins when we confess.

1634
01:32:22.840 --> 01:32:27.479
It isn't our moral you know, improvement project that saves

1635
01:32:27.560 --> 01:32:30.720
us or never messing up very badly. That grace is

1636
01:32:30.760 --> 01:32:34.239
on a curve that gets us closer to God. It's

1637
01:32:34.279 --> 01:32:37.760
our humility and honesty, which is why I brought friendship

1638
01:32:37.760 --> 01:32:40.640
into it. If you can't be real with other people,

1639
01:32:41.039 --> 01:32:43.640
you're probably not being real with God.

1640
01:32:44.279 --> 01:32:47.119
And I know it's scary and you maybe well interword

1641
01:32:47.119 --> 01:32:49.239
of give Bridge said, because the thought's coming again, because

1642
01:32:49.279 --> 01:32:53.159
Judas to me is a paradox, and that had Judas

1643
01:32:53.199 --> 01:32:58.600
had some friends, they probably could have helped him and

1644
01:32:58.680 --> 01:32:59.880
not let him go so far.

1645
01:33:00.039 --> 01:33:02.520
Maybe well, he had friends. The question was did he

1646
01:33:02.720 --> 01:33:05.680
confide in the friends and show his true self? And

1647
01:33:05.840 --> 01:33:08.840
we all know as you read that story that Judas

1648
01:33:09.520 --> 01:33:13.880
was the treasure. Yes, And he kept to himself some

1649
01:33:14.000 --> 01:33:19.840
things and wasn't communicating in the way Peter was out there.

1650
01:33:19.880 --> 01:33:22.239
He was always communicating. You kind of knew what Peter

1651
01:33:22.399 --> 01:33:25.920
was up to, you know, same with Tom doubting Thomas,

1652
01:33:26.159 --> 01:33:28.520
he put his doubts out there. He was communicating, he

1653
01:33:28.640 --> 01:33:34.000
was being real. So the key to gaining the resurrection

1654
01:33:34.800 --> 01:33:38.720
isn't never messing up, it's admitting it when you do.

1655
01:33:38.800 --> 01:33:44.560
It's being real and honest. And Peter was turned into

1656
01:33:45.560 --> 01:33:48.800
from the greatest failure because he said, even if everyone else,

1657
01:33:49.000 --> 01:33:52.000
all these guys uh fall away, Jesus, I'm gonna stick

1658
01:33:52.520 --> 01:33:55.079
to the end. And Peter said, no, dude, you know

1659
01:33:55.199 --> 01:33:58.359
before the cock crows, you're gonna deny me. Three times

1660
01:33:58.640 --> 01:34:01.560
he had he had the most spectacus their failure possible, right,

1661
01:34:01.600 --> 01:34:03.800
And Peter was always sticking his foot in his mouth.

1662
01:34:04.399 --> 01:34:08.199
Before Jesus died and resurrected. After he died and resurrected,

1663
01:34:08.439 --> 01:34:11.000
he was almost so discouraged he said, I'm going fishing.

1664
01:34:11.359 --> 01:34:13.680
He said, he almost gave up. But what did Jesus do.

1665
01:34:14.159 --> 01:34:19.119
He came to Peter, he cooked a meal, he had

1666
01:34:19.239 --> 01:34:23.279
a fire, he sat down, He asked him some questions

1667
01:34:23.439 --> 01:34:26.159
to let him go back through his failures, and then

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he restored him three times and he said, feed my sheep,

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which is, hey, Peter, be compassionate with people don't have

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a clue and aren't going to pay you back. And

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these young young people that don't even know about God

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yet feed them. And then it said, shepherd my sheep.

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And that's hard to shepherd people because we're pain in

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the butt. Ask any pastor, right, he said, Peter, take

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He made Peter the.

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but he got humbled so much, and he tasted so well,

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and Jesus restored him so much that God built his

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and then Peter's rock solid faith after he had blown it.

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Yeah, exactly, well, Jeff Kemp, we got to leave it there.

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Well, welcome back to America. Bill Martinez here along with

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Jeff Johnston and from Focus on the Family.

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Hey, Jeff, good morning to you.

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Good Bill. Good to be with you.

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Hey, always good to be sharing time together. Jeff works

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as an issues analyst that Focused on the Family, where

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he researches and writes about a variety of subjects related

1779
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to marriage, homosexuality, gender, and healthy sexuality. So, day after Easter,

1780
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are you still in the glow?

1781
01:40:46.760 --> 01:40:52.880
Yeah? Yeah, I'm still excited about this. Last Tuesday, Supreme

1782
01:40:52.880 --> 01:40:59.720
Court made a decision in favor of free speech. Yes,

1783
01:41:00.079 --> 01:41:03.680
it's a great decision. I mean, you know you were

1784
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talking about the glow. There's the glow of Easter too,

1785
01:41:06.800 --> 01:41:10.600
of course, the glow of the resurrection. But we know

1786
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that Jesus brings freedom to people, and he uses lots

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of different means to do that, and one of the

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means he uses to do that is godly Christian counselors.

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And this decision said that it's illegal for Colorado to

1790
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try to stop Christian counselors from working with clients who

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want freedom from homosexuality or transgenderism. So yeah, still basking

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in that decision and the glow of the resurrection.

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Well, you know, sometimes the way this stuff comes about, JEF,

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there's like so many things. We're just deluged with issues

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that by the time it gets to the Supreme Court,

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some things get lost in translation, and then you have

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the opposing side trying to put a spin on it

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to make it seem like it wasn't that big a deal.

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01:41:57.439 --> 01:42:00.359
But let's look back in history a little bit brought

1800
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us to this point to where we had to go

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to the Supreme Court.

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Well, this really started in about twenty twelve when California

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passed a ban on talk therapy for people with on wanted,

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same sex attractions or sexual identity confusing. They said a

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counselor may not talk to clients about those issues, and

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a bunch of states followed suit. In twenty nineteen, Colorado

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passed a similar ban. I actually testified against it. I

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told the legislature, I said, this is on constitutional because

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you're blocking freedom of speech. And typically in counseling, the

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client sets the agenda. The client says, here are the

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issues I want to work on, and this issue said,

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01:42:47.319 --> 01:42:50.760
or this law said, you couldn't work on these issues

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01:42:50.800 --> 01:42:53.439
with minors. So let's say you're a sixteen year old

1814
01:42:53.520 --> 01:42:57.039
boy and you're struggling with looking at gay pornography. A

1815
01:42:57.159 --> 01:43:00.479
counselor in Colorado could not help you with that. Likewise

1816
01:43:00.479 --> 01:43:04.640
in California in about twenty other states that passed similar bands.

1817
01:43:05.159 --> 01:43:06.319
So who was supposed to help them?

1818
01:43:06.399 --> 01:43:10.119
Jeff, Well, you're only supposed to help them one direction.

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You're supposed to help them move towards homosexuality or transgenderism.

1820
01:43:15.399 --> 01:43:18.840
That's what these laws said, Yeah, seriously, and so that's

1821
01:43:19.159 --> 01:43:23.880
the Supreme Court said. That is viewpoint discrimination. You're discriminating,

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01:43:23.920 --> 01:43:27.960
you're putting one viewpoint above Christian viewpoint when people want

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to live biblically according to their faith, when they're struggling

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01:43:31.399 --> 01:43:35.560
with these issues. So that's what the Supreme Court told

1825
01:43:35.560 --> 01:43:39.680
the lower court is you're violating free speech for cemented

1826
01:43:40.159 --> 01:43:46.960
mint rights and you're practicing viewpoint legislation or viewpoint discrimination.

1827
01:43:46.760 --> 01:43:49.720
Right exactly. Well, Jeff, this was going on for what

1828
01:43:50.079 --> 01:43:51.199
over ten years?

1829
01:43:51.760 --> 01:43:55.680
Right, Yeah, it's been happening across the country for thirteen

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fourteen years now, and we had different courts split over

1831
01:43:59.760 --> 01:44:02.600
this issue. And so the Supreme Court took the case

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to resolve some of those splits. Some lower courts had said,

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you're allowed to have this viewpoint discrimination. Other courts said no,

1834
01:44:12.479 --> 01:44:15.880
it's a violation of free speech. So the Supreme Court

1835
01:44:15.920 --> 01:44:19.000
really resolved the issue for all these lower courts. So

1836
01:44:19.079 --> 01:44:21.399
it's up to them to go back and look at

1837
01:44:21.439 --> 01:44:23.800
their decisions and decide differently.

1838
01:44:24.439 --> 01:44:27.880
Yeah, how many thousands of kids have been affected by this?

1839
01:44:28.880 --> 01:44:35.279
Wells, you know, it's hard to tell. Especially think about

1840
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all the kids that have struggled with transgenderism in the

1841
01:44:38.600 --> 01:44:44.319
last fourteen fifteen years when that craze started up. You've

1842
01:44:44.359 --> 01:44:49.880
got millions of kids identifying as something other than heterosexual,

1843
01:44:50.920 --> 01:44:54.479
identifying as something other than what their biology says they

1844
01:44:54.479 --> 01:44:57.560
are male or female. And so you have twenty states

1845
01:44:57.560 --> 01:45:01.960
saying no, you can't help these kids embrace bodily reality. So,

1846
01:45:02.880 --> 01:45:05.039
I mean, I know the Supreme Court only decided this

1847
01:45:05.159 --> 01:45:07.279
on the free speech issue, but it was also an

1848
01:45:07.359 --> 01:45:10.920
issue of parental rights. You know, your parent of a

1849
01:45:10.960 --> 01:45:14.760
little guy who's struggling with his masculinity and maybe he

1850
01:45:14.800 --> 01:45:17.079
thinks he wants to be a girl, you couldn't see

1851
01:45:17.079 --> 01:45:21.119
a counselor, a licensed clinical counselor to talk about those

1852
01:45:21.159 --> 01:45:24.920
issues and help him embrace his bodily sexuality. You could

1853
01:45:24.960 --> 01:45:27.720
only help him move towards transgenderism.

1854
01:45:28.239 --> 01:45:29.000
That's incredible.

1855
01:45:29.119 --> 01:45:29.359
See.

1856
01:45:29.359 --> 01:45:31.880
The thing is what's been happening in the courts lately too, Jeff,

1857
01:45:31.920 --> 01:45:37.359
which I think about is the liability. You know, basically

1858
01:45:37.399 --> 01:45:40.680
what the Supreme Court said is that they violated free speech.

1859
01:45:41.119 --> 01:45:43.039
Now there's going to be the attorneys are going to

1860
01:45:43.079 --> 01:45:44.840
eat this up. I mean, this is going to be

1861
01:45:44.840 --> 01:45:48.279
a libel issue where you know, we've already had situations

1862
01:45:48.319 --> 01:45:52.439
where you know, young women, young girls were told this

1863
01:45:52.720 --> 01:45:56.319
was supposed to happen. Parents were frozen because they were

1864
01:45:56.359 --> 01:45:58.319
told that, you know, if you didn't let your daughter

1865
01:45:58.439 --> 01:46:00.319
or son go through this, that they we're going to

1866
01:46:00.359 --> 01:46:04.520
commit suicide. I mean, this is just totally unhinged. But

1867
01:46:04.640 --> 01:46:06.560
now you got the court saying, wait a minute, you

1868
01:46:06.600 --> 01:46:08.720
guys shouldn't have been doing this in the first place.

1869
01:46:09.439 --> 01:46:12.279
It's a violation of free speech. I see a libel

1870
01:46:12.279 --> 01:46:13.720
issue coming down the road, don't you.

1871
01:46:14.880 --> 01:46:15.119
Yeah.

1872
01:46:15.159 --> 01:46:17.560
I think you're going to have a lot of lawsuits

1873
01:46:17.640 --> 01:46:22.279
against against these laws in other states where people were

1874
01:46:22.399 --> 01:46:25.319
forced to talk only in one direction, and it's going

1875
01:46:25.399 --> 01:46:29.960
to add weight to those cases where young girls and

1876
01:46:30.000 --> 01:46:34.159
their families were damaged by transgender medicine, and they were

1877
01:46:34.199 --> 01:46:37.960
only pushed one direction. They were only told by clinicians, well,

1878
01:46:38.000 --> 01:46:43.199
you're transgender, so you need puberty blockers opposite sex hormones surgeries,

1879
01:46:43.439 --> 01:46:46.079
and we know how damaging those are. And so it's

1880
01:46:46.119 --> 01:46:48.800
going to add to the weight of their arguments against

1881
01:46:48.840 --> 01:46:52.520
doctors and hospitals that shoved them this direction.

1882
01:46:53.760 --> 01:46:56.840
And Jeff, this was an eight to one vote, near unanimous.

1883
01:46:57.000 --> 01:47:00.840
Who was the dissenting vote we vote.

1884
01:47:00.720 --> 01:47:05.520
Was Katanji Brown Jackson. And it's interesting her decision was

1885
01:47:05.640 --> 01:47:11.159
longer than the original decision and a little the concurring

1886
01:47:11.439 --> 01:47:15.520
opinion that Elena Kagan wrote. Even the liberal justices Elena

1887
01:47:15.600 --> 01:47:21.359
Kagan and Sonya Sotomayor said this is on constitutional and

1888
01:47:21.399 --> 01:47:25.920
they all mentioned in those decisions, the concurring decision and

1889
01:47:25.960 --> 01:47:30.279
the original one, they mentioned Katanji Brown Jackson's arguments and

1890
01:47:30.319 --> 01:47:33.840
they said, you're wrong on this issue. But she went

1891
01:47:33.880 --> 01:47:37.359
on for thirty five pages about why it was right

1892
01:47:37.560 --> 01:47:41.159
for the legislature to regulate the free speech of a

1893
01:47:41.239 --> 01:47:45.000
clinician of a therapist. They were basically saying, you can't

1894
01:47:45.039 --> 01:47:48.359
talk about this in the therapy room with your clients,

1895
01:47:49.119 --> 01:47:51.560
and she was trying to defend that. So an eight

1896
01:47:51.560 --> 01:47:53.279
to one decision is pretty huge.

1897
01:47:53.479 --> 01:47:55.640
No, it is huge, and I would not want to

1898
01:47:55.680 --> 01:47:58.720
be the one dissenting vote, especially when you had your colleagues,

1899
01:47:59.000 --> 01:48:01.439
you know, calling you out on that and of course said,

1900
01:48:01.600 --> 01:48:05.680
this is the skotis justice that couldn't define what a

1901
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woman was.

1902
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I mean, yeah, exactly, she doesn't know what a woman is.

1903
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But it's okay to take a little child, a little

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boy and say you can turn into a girl. I

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mean that that's kind of meaningless if you don't know

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the definition of boys and girls in the first place.

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But it's it was so damaging. We've harmed so many

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kids in our country changing ideology. And the legislators that

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were pushing therapy bands, talk therapy bands, they were censoring

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free speech and they were saying, we agree with transgender

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ideology and that's the only thing you can promote in

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the counseling room. And Katanji Brown Jackson was supporting that

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that violation of free speech. So she was clearly in

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the wrong on this issue.

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Right.

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Well, you know, it's it's quite telling, especially eight to one,

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Like you said, it's a huge victory and it's quite

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speaking of words and definitions, explain to our audience, you

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know this misnomer of conversion therapy.

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Well, there's this whole idea that people are grabbing little

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kids and forcing them to try to change somehow when

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they're struggling with homosexuality or transgenderism, and that they use

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abusive means to do that, and that it's harmful somehow.

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The reality is, you have a little boy that's struggling

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with transgenderism, say, and you were a good ethical therapist,

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He's not going to force anyone to do anything. He's

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going to work with the parents and the family to

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help that boy embrace his innate masculinity. When boys reject

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their masculinity at least to all kinds of different issues,

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and there's usually some mental health and trauma issues undergirding

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that in the first place. And so they were telling practitioners,

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you can't even work on those underlying issues that might

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be driving somebody this direction. So, yeah, we need to

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be able to help these children, and this decision allows

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you know, therapists have been afraid, they've been afraid to

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work on this issue with clients, and now they can

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point to this decision as backing what they want to

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do with young people. But there really is no thing

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called convergencey therapy. Nobody hangs a sign out and says

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I'm a conversion therapist. The term was really invented by

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people who don't want anyone leaving homosexuality or transgenderism. And

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we know God brings people out of those issues. We

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both know people who have left homosexuality and transgenderism, and

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God is powerful and he counselors are often part of

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that process.

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Well, and as you say, it's liberated counselors, it's liberated

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parents again where they can speak freely. Here they are

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they've been you know, they've been mugged, you know, for

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a number of years, this issue.

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Right exactly. I mean we've had Chloe Cole here for

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interviews and she said she said her parents were told

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that if they did not use puberty blockers, opposite sex

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sex hormones and surgeries to try to make her look.

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Like a boy.

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I mean, you can't turn into a boy, there's no

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magic wand but they told her parents she might kill herself.

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And she was actually coached online. There's some transgender activists

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in their allies, their supporters who coach kids to say

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these things, Well, if you don't let me do this,

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I'll kill myself. So this offers a completely different perspective,

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completely different tool for parents to use when they want

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to help a child who's struggling with these really deep emotional, mental, psychological,

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confusing issues.

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Yeah. Well, we've been talking with Jeff Johnson and as

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you may recall, Jeff himself sought counseling for same sex

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action years ago, considered it successful in solidifying as Christian

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belief in who he was and what he truly wanted

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for his life. Today as a family man has been

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married for three decades, maseled off and has three adult

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male children. Jeff, how can people who are struggling and

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need information, how can they connect with focus on the

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family and the resources that would be available to them.

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Well, there's two ways you can call one eight hundred

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a family if you're struggling with one of these issues transgenderism, homosexuality,

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or if a family member is struggling and you want

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help to deal with that, you can ask to talk

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to one of our counselors and we offer a free

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counseling consultation so one hour, you know, up to a

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one hour consult and our counselors will give you some

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ideas things you can do, but they'll also point you

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towards resources. And we have a Christian counseling network. You

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can find that online at Focus Onthefamily dot org and

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you can find counselors in your area who specialize in

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sexuality and gender issues who can help you with those things.

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So either online or on our phone line one eight

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hundred A family.

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Well, Jeff, thank you as always appreciate the time. He's

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the issues analyst that focused on the family. Jeff Johnston

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has been our guest. Be well, my friend, take care

1990
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