March 31, 2026

The Bill Martinez Show 03 31 26

The Bill Martinez Show 03 31 26
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The Bill Martinez Show 03 31 26
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Are you ready?

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Us do an Ill Martinez Live a program about current events,

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our culture, our values, our politics, and our future.

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And now Bill Martinez.

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Hey, good morning America. Glad you could join us. Bill

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Martinez here with our good friend Ken Abramowitz. Ken is

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a national security analyst, author of Multi Front War and

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he joins us. Now, Ken, good morning to you. Well,

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great to have you here with us. What what what's

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going on with NATO? I mean, how to not influence

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friends and make allies.

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Huh, it's very, very bizarre when you think of all

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that we've done for Europe. By the way, Europe was

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the birthplace of America, all right, So Europe did a

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lot for us, so to speak in the early days.

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But we helped them obviously in World War One, we

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helped them in World War Two, we helped them in Ukraine.

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And so we were always there for Europe. Well, I

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won't say always we sometimes there's a delay. You know,

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we waited till Pearl Harbor until we helped Europe, so

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they were we did not help them for about a

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year or so, but in World War Two. But anyways,

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in general we've been there for Europe. And President John

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publicly said this. He says it was a test. I

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didn't really need NATO, but I gave them a little

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test and they failed. Yeah, exactly.

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Well, and like you say, Kenneth, the other thing too,

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is less we forget how much money the United States

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has supported, has put in and supported NATO. And it

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was only you know which Trump you know, coming in

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in the first term, saying hey, guys, it's time to

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pay your fair share.

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Right. Yes, you look, we paid with money. We was

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also played paid with blood.

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Yeah exactly.

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Any movies we've seen about World War Two are starving

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the beaches of Normandy. You know, our brave soldiers, so

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blood and treasure went into protecting Europe from Russia and

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and we're still needed to this day.

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So do you anticipate, because I do a bit of

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a passive. I don't know if you want to call

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it a tax or a tariff. I mean, of course

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we have to be careful in using the tariff word

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because you got activist judges and you know, and our

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Congress getting upset about the term tariffs. But some sort

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of penalty against these NATO countries, you know, not to

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mention England that was late in coming and allowing us

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to use some air bases. Macron, you know, acting like, oh,

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he wanted nothing to do with this, and other NATO

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nations and you know their lack of participation. I see,

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I see Trump exercising maybe some international retribution down the road.

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What do you think?

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I agree one hundred percent, But there's a couple of

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ways to do it. One way to do it is

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retribution against NATO and funding and issues like that. I

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prefer an alternative which hasn't yet made it into the

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press or into President Trump's formal comments. Maybe it's in

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his head, but he hasn't enunciated yet. I would go

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after the governments behind NATO, in other words, England and France.

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Where were you nowhere to be found? And I think

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we should try to destabilize the government of England and

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France in particular because they also have nuclear weapons. And

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I hate to say this but publicly call for regime

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change in England and France. I think that's the best

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retribution rather than going after NATO, which we need in

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NATO structure, we just not with the current losers running

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the various countries.

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Well, England is a hot mess anyway. I mean with

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the migration issue that they've been dealing with in some

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of their policies, it's clear they kind of remind me

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of a cow out and the prairies, you know, where

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the guys. Would you go out there and tip over

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the cows. This wouldn't take much effort to tip over

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that government because they seem to be very lopsided right

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now in their policies. I mean, look what they're doing

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with the farmers in that Canada.

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No, I agree one hundred percent. By the way, NATO

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should have had two functions. It only has one function,

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namely protect Europe from Russia, and it has a side

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function of support America like Afghanistan, Iraq or the Iran war.

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That's the sort of a side responsibility. But the major

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responsibility they should have had but didn't, was to save

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Europe from an Islamic invasion exactly. That was never added

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to NATO responsibilities. So therefore it's country by country responsibilities.

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The countries by countries are failing and we have to

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fix that mess for them and indirectly for us.

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And who at who's expense?

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Kenneth, well, at the expense of the Islamic invasion. But

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that's the.

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Same, but it's going to cost some money in order

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to do that. And you know these guys are going

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to come out with their hands out begging for help.

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Not to mention the fact. I mean, you said something

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really important here, and I want our audience to get

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a hold of this because this is something that has

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been brought to the forefront in the last couple of

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weeks on the show, and that is with the increased

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migration of Muslim activity, particularly in England. And you mentioned

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a nuclear weapon. They have nuclear weapon. Who cares if

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Iran doesn't have a nuclear bomb, they can go and

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borrow one from England.

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Yes, in a generation or so. In other words, this

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is the mess for our kids and grandkids, and a

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generation or two they're going to confront the issue of

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I hate to say this, should we send Marines to

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invade England and France to secure the nuclear weapons so

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that the Islamic governments taking over won't have them? I mean,

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can you imagine that conversation. So that's why I don't

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like sticking kids and grandkids with the mess that we

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should fix. So I think it's our generation has to

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fix the mess, not shove it off to the kids

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and so that's why we have to do something about

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England and France. From a government point of view, that's

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the retribution to NATO directly, but to the countries part

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of NATO who aren't doing their jobs.

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Well, this really demands leadership, and America has been leading

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the way, and you know, Donald Trump in a sense

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has been doing this in spite of all the resistance

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you know from the left that you and I've been

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talking about in the last couple of conversations that we had.

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And I mean, America really has to solidify. I say,

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America is a country. We the people have to solidify

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our position because you know, the time is now, Kenneth,

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as you say, to address these issues. The reason they're

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so complicated right now is because they've been kicked down

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the road for decades.

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That's exactly right. So now we're stuck holding the back.

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Our generation is stuck holding the back. Just as President

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Shopman Prime Minister Natanyahu suffered from forty seven years of

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NonStop mistakes and refusing to confront a terrant organization that

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publicly call for the elimination of America and Israel, and

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only forty seven years later, both countries say, oh we

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have to do something. Okay, So anyways, but we have

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to confront England and France. We have to say to them,

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you have to close your borders. Like now we did it,

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you have to do it. Number two, you have to

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dt port as I call any member of the Islamo

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Nazi death cult or anyone who incites for genocide. Those

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are code words that I look for. And if someone

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does that, they don't. They don't belong in your country,

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you know. Can you imagine if just pretend I flew

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from Florida to Toronto and say, oh, I want to

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be a resident of Canada, I want to become mayor,

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and then I want to kill everyone everyone in Canada.

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They go, what here their one way ticket, go back

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to Florida. We don't want to hear from this guy

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ever again. Okay, so we have to become tough on

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England and France.

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Yeah, Canada would take a real quick pause and send

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you back, no doubt about it, but probably send you

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to New York because it seems like New York would

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be more open to address this issue. We've got to

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go to quick break. Stay with us. We've got more

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from Kennatha Brahmawich, the National Security Analyst, author of the

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Multi Front War Defending a Mayormerica from political Islam, China, Russia,

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pandemics and racial strife. That's only for starters. Okay, so

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anyway more from Kenneth after this stay with us.

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still right, Kenned.

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Yes, yes, and also through my website savedwebs dot com.

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He's the founder of Save the West dot com. It's

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a website dedicated to saving Western civilization from itself. You know,

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we were just talking about, you know, the targets overseas

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that America needs to have in focus right now in

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terms of, you know, demanding that these governments wise up

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and see, you know, follow Trump's lead. You know, Trump

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has been right, you know, like the hat says, you know,

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I say, almost in everything, but he's not far off

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because time and again resist him and argue against him.

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I'll tell you I like a lot.

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That's he has wonderful insights. He's right like ninety percent

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of the time. And by the way, in business, no

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one's right ninety percent of the time. In politics, no

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one's right ninety percent of the time. So but being

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being a human, he can't be right one hundred percent

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of the time. Humans are never right one hundred percent

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of the time. But he's as good as they get,

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and even better than as good as we get. In

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terms of political leaders well.

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You know, speaking of politics, what does that say about

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our politics that somebody could come in and be right

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about it ninety percent of the time. It just tells

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you how messed up our political establishment is.

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Now bear somebody mind is an inherent problem with being

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a politician, and that is and President Trump's has publicly

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said some things along these lines. There's two forces on

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a president. I mean there's more, but pretend that there's two.

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One is the way the people, the public. They have

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to get elected or they need other parts of their

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party to get elected and there or they have to

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think short term. You know, oh, November or two years

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after November. That's short term. But simultaneously, a president, Trump

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is also a husband, a father, a grandfather, so he

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also has to think a hundred years in the future,

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what's the future for my kids and grandkids? How about

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everybody's kids and grandkids. And he's balancing off the human

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desire to protect America for hundred or hundreds of years

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versus the political desire to get to have a favorable

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election in November, which isn't so far away.

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Right, And Trump is doing something about the first part,

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which you said, we the people. He's giving you a

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breath of fresh air into that dynamic that has been

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quieted that the Democrats have been able to do an

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end around by stuffing the ballot box and doing the

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kind of shenanigans they've done they've done over the years

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to compromise our free and fair elections.

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That's right. The Democrats basically off the steal elections to

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get elected because their policies do not represent we the people,

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or I have an expression. Republicans believe in life, libery

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and pursuit of happies is for one hundred percent of

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the people, minus the ten percent who are criminals. The

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Democrats believe in life, liberal and pursuit of happiness for

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the ten percent who are criminals. So that's an exaggerated

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way to look at the difference between the two parties.

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So therefore, if the Democrats want to win and they

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only represent ten percent of the people, you can see

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that they have to play games in order to get

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up to fifty percent.

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You know, had you made that statement ten years ago

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about the Democrats supporting ten percent of the criminals, people

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would laugh you out of the building. But look at

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their look at their policies, and look at what they're

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doing now. You know, from state to state, these blue

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states they're out there, and you and I've talked about,

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you know, the color of the states. It's just becoming

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more and more obvious that these blue states have lost

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their mind, you know, in supporting policies that want to promote,

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want to promote the criminal as opposed to supporting and

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comforting the victim.

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Right, it's pretty pretty sad. And by the way, we

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suffered as a country for four years of Biden, which

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was really Obama's third term. So we suffered for two

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terms with Obama officially and then one term unofficially, and

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so that's eight plus four twelve years of damage in

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half of our country has been taken over by the

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Democrats that aren't really Democrats anymore, and they are socialist, communists,

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Islamist globalists, whatever you want to call them, but not Americans,

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and so well, simultaneously fighting a civil war. Unfortunately we're

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not killing each other, which I call the original civil

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War because the Democrats used to be called Confederates. All

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they did was change their name from Confederates to Democrats.

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And we're still still fighting the Abraham Lincoln Civil War,

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just with words rather than through bullets.

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You know, it's kind of amazing historically, Kenneth, when you

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look at it, it's like the adversary never really goes away, right,

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I mean, they may shrink, go down. I mean, even

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like right now with what we're dealing with in Iran,

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you know, and the same thing with Hamas in Israel

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at Gaza. You know, there's never a complete annihilation. You know,

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there's always some remnant that hangs around and finds a

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day decades down the road because people forget history.

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That's exactly right, and that's why our previous generation fought

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World War two to unconditional surrender. On conditional surrender in

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Europe with the Germans unconditional surrender, the Japanese and if

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you remember, not that we remember anything anymore in the path,

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but they were actually signing ceremonies surrender I think was

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the USS Missouri, if I remember, in Japan, and they

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were signing ceremonies in Europe. And there were number trials

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after and we put the top leaders of Germany on

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trial and we executed I think like ten of them

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or so. They should have been more. But anyways, we

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said an example, we won, you loss, you signed this document,

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you accept defeat. In effect, America took over Japan and

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Germany for five years and now we have normal countries again.

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So like it worked, but we don't know how to

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do that anymore. We don't have the patience for that anymore.

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Well, it looks like things have changed a little bit,

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just even by definition. When you change our deportment Department

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of Defense to the Department of War. I think that

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was telling. That's an indication and a movement in the

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Rhine direction, don't you think.

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Yes, yes, yes, because see the American population, by the way,

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all democracies are unfortunately not very well educated. Because there's

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so much information and misinformation. People get confused, and they go,

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I don't know what's right anymore. Let me just go

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back to my job. You know, they pay me. I'm

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going to focus on my job. I'm going to focus

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on my family. And so yes, every time it's possible,

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our government, and by the way, all democracies have to

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better educate their population as to what we're what are

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our challenges, how do we meet those challenges? And that's

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one of the reasons why maybe only half the people

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support their run war because we never educate the population

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that around was an existential threat for forty seven years.

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We didn't want to face it.

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But I insist, Kenneth, you have to take some responsibility.

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You have to self educate. I mean, this is a

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government of four by we the people, Okay, by definition

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that says the responsibility is with you. The buckstops with you,

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not with Truman, you know, not with Trump, not with

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somebody else. You know, we are the first line of defense,

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whether it's our government, our families, go right on down

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the line. We have to, I believe, have an awakening

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moment again and go back to the origins of this

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great American idea and the people that founded this country.

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They were very self motivated and self invested. Right now,

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as you say, we've become very apathetic and very casual,

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and we are putting at risk this great American idea

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for our grandkids on down right now.

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By the way, in the early days of our country,

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roughly two hundred and fifty years ago, only men, not women.

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Only men with property, not rental property. Someone who actually

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owns some house I can vote. So can you imagine

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Just pretend if I stood up with a microphone I said,

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I think only people who are well informed, accorded to

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my definition and your definition can vote. You know, that

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would be a lively discussion.

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All we'd have fun. But why not, Let's let's have

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that discussion, because maybe we might motivate some people to

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take some responsibility, because that is what is required in

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a democratic republic. He's the founder of Savedthwest dot com,

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a website dedicated to saving Western civilization from himself, and

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the author of the Multi Front War Defending America from

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Political Islam, China, Russia, pandemics, and racial strife. Kenneth Obramowitz

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has been our guest. Kenneth, god speed, my friend. Thank

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Hey welcome back. Bill Martinez here along with Johnny DeBrito

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from a Focus on the Family. Hey, Joni, how you doing.

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I'm doing great, So glad to be with you again.

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Bill, Well, great to be talking to you. By the way,

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Doctor Jonny DeBrito is a licensed mental health professional and

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Freaking Focus on the Family contributor. And let's talk about

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this being a holy week that we can learn as

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we observe and reminded again of Christ suffering in this

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passion week, that hopefully and gracefully we could find perhaps

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hope in our suffering.

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Right, Yeah, I think we can. I think we can

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see from Christ's example about the importance of authenticity and

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expressing human emotions. We saw Christ ask God to take

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the cup of suffering away, so we need to remember

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that it's not sinful to cry out to God. In fact,

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in the Bible we are asked many times to cry

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out and be honest to God and to petition God.

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He knows what we're thinking anyway, right, And we also

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see that Christ, despite the fact that that suffering was

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not taken away from him, he was obedient to God

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and he endured it and he persevered. And as human beings,

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we typically want to avoid suffering at all costs, which

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is normal, but very often in walking through the suffering

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that we.

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Experience, Johnny repeat that again, and very often.

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Very often we want to avoid suffering, which is normal,

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but very often we also learn the most from the

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fact that we walk through the suffering and persevere.

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You know, I like that you first addressed the idea

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that Jesus, as the son of Man, divine yet fully

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man could speak openly with God and say, God, you know,

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I don't like this, and is there any way that

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this can pass?

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You know?

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And again, I think it represents a model of how

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the Father will respond to us in our moments of suffering.

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And you know, I think it's powerful that those that

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compiled the Bible made sure that this was part of

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the passion weak narrative.

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Right it is, and it's actually part of human experience

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and part of the Christian experience as well. And it's

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part of our faith to know that we, as Christians

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and as human beings are going to suffer in this life.

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My goodness, if you look at the Old Testament, you

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can see so many examples of man's inhumanity to man

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and then just suffering from earthquakes, and floods and plagues

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and so forth. And then of course we see Jesus

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suffering on the cross, which was the greatest suffering of

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all time, of course, because he took on the sins

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of all mankind.

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Yeah, not only at that moment, but from then and

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forever and even going back in time. Right, he imposed

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upon himself the sins of humanity. And this is one

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of the reasons why he visited Hell, was to let

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them know that they were going to have a kind

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of a do over, right.

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And I think we also have to recognize, and this

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is part of our human experience and suffering too, that

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all of the people around us tend to experience a

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secondary kind of suffering. For instance, you know, if you

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have a child that is ill, what parent doesn't want

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to take away that illness and say, hey, I will

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take a God give it to me. I don't want

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my child, or my loved one, or my spouse, or

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my brother or sister whomever to suffer. And so the

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suffering expands beyond the person who's actually experiencing it. And

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I think about what it must have been like for

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Mary to see her son Diane the cross, and for

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all of the disciples and the people who loved Jesus

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so much to see that's him endure that suffering.

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And of course this was one of the things that

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she had pondered in her heart when she told when

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she was told that she would be, that her heart

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would be pierced. And now here it is, I mean,

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the actuation of what had been prophesied. She's now living

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at doubt. And you know, here we are, as you said,

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our loved ones, as parents, as siblings. You know, there's

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no promise that we will get through life suffering free, right.

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If anything, it's that we are going to be exposed

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to a certain level of suffering. You just don't know

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to what degree. And you just I mean, I don't know, Jony,

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how people can suffer some of these incredible levels of

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suffering without God in their lives.

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I have no idea either, Bill. And it's always interesting

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to me when Christians will say I gave up my

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faith in God because he allowed me to suffer, and really,

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then it kind of exposes that they really haven't read

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the Bible, because the Bible is abundantly clear that we

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are going to suffer as Christians, not just from the

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things that humans do to humans and natural disasters and

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so forth, but very much from persecution for believing in

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and trusting God and making Jesus our savior. We may

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be called idiots and all kinds of names for believing that,

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and that's persecution. So it's always interesting to me because

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of anything, the fact that you suffer should deepen your

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faith and your belief in God, because it's very clear

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in the Bible that that is going to happen to

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us as human beings.

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Well, in your suffering, you are becoming more christ Like.

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I mean, Jesus said that we are to pick up

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our cross. What did you think he meant when he

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said pick up your cross and follow me?

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I think exactly what you just said that it's that

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we are going to endure this together. And obviously the

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reason that God did not take away Christ's suffering was

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because the fulfillment of that suffering was that he took

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the sins of the world and gave us all a

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way to be able to share with eternity with Him

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and God the Father and the Holy Spirit. And so

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that had to happen, that had to come to the

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full fruition of God's plan for Jesus for us to

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have the hope of heaven.

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And the freedom of it all. Joni, and this is

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the thing. I mean, we experience it, you know by

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comparison minor, you know, compared to what Jesus went through,

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but nonetheless a lot of people before us. You know,

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if we look at it in terms of where we

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are in America today, the freedom we enjoy is God

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given freedom, but it's been paid at a price of

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what over a million people in the military who have

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served our country to defend freedom, and they suffered. The

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family members suffered to this day, they suffer, right, So

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you know, there is a cost to be paid for

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those those things that are of eternal consequence.

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I believe there is surprice to pay. So are some

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great things that we learn. If we are lucky enough

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to suffer and still live beyond that suffering, we can

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often look back and begin to see the purpose in

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our pain. We can't always do that. Sometimes it's God,

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I just don't understand that. I guess I'll figure it

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out sometime later on the other side of this life.

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But sometimes we can look back and we can realize

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that it deepened our dependence on God. It helped us

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to be more compassionate and empathic to other people who

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are suffering. It helped us to be less judgmental and

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to be kind and gracious to people who are struggling.

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And sometimes I think it's a faith issue or a

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faith question, you know. And that's where you know, when

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you come and you glied with things that are beyond

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your human understanding and your mortal existence, you turn to

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God and say, God, you know, like you just said, Johnny,

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I don't understand it. But what I know about you,

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I know that you're trustworthy and I'm going to believe

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that with you. I'll gain some understanding and belief down

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the road, but I'm going to hang on to you

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right now.

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Yeah, trustworthy, love you, I trust you.

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I will obey you.

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Even though this is so painful, I will still obey you,

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and I will not abandon my faith because of the suffering.

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Well, our prayer is is that whatever the circumstance, no

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matter what it is, And again we're reminded, you know,

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this is such a glorious time and a reminder of

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how God delivers on his promise that no matter how

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bleak it may look for you right now, just as

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it did for Jesus as he was being crucified in

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his followers and everybody around him, thinking what happened? It's

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it must be over. But little did they know just

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around the corner, Sunday was going to be coming and

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the grave was going to be empty, right.

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Johnny, Absolutely, and they would once again see Jesus, but

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now in a different way.

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Yeah. Well, all glory and honor to God, Johnny. How

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can people find more hope amid suffering?

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Well, I think first of all, you can find hope

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when you are not only depending on God but also

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finding support around you and the people that love you, your friends,

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your family members, etc. And let me just say that

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if you are coming around someone that is suffering, there

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are a couple things you want to be really careful about.

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Of course, prayer is extremely important, but always wait for

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that suffering person to either ask you to pray for

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them or you make that invitation, can I pray for you?

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Because when people are struggling, sometimes if you just say

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let me pray and you start praying, it feels kind

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of like you're discounting their pain, or if you start

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spouting Bible versus, that can feel like discounting pain as well,

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now you can pray for them if they say no, certainly,

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and you certainly can refer to scripture, but do so

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at their request or if they've given you permission otherwise. Again,

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it kind of feels as if you have a magical answer,

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which none of us do. When there's no magic answer

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for suffering and there's no perfect thing to say. What's

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really the most important thing is your presence, the willingness

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for you to walk aside them. And then also just

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always remember that Focus on the Family has information on

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this at Focus on the Family dot com slash mental health,

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and there's information in there about grief and loss and

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so forth. Or you can just search the word suffering

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and for anyone who is struggling with anything. We still

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have that telephone number eight five five seven seven one

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four three five seven which is available Monday through Friday

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seven am to nine pm Central Standard time, so you

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can adjust according to the time zone that you are in,

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and you can call and leave your contact information and

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either a licensed mental health professional counselor or a licensed

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pastoral counselor we'll call you back within forty eight business hours.

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Well, Johnny DeBrito, thank you so much for being with us.

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Appreciate that Doctor Dobrito is a licensed mental health professional

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and frequent focus on the family contributor. God bless you, Johnny,

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take care.

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Hey, we're back with you. Welcome. Good to have you

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with us. Bill Martinez here along with the Jeff Camp,

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the former NFLQB and ministry leader and author. Hey, Jeff,

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happy Easter.

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You're going to say that early to you. You may.

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Happy Easter is the fundamental truth of life, right, resurrection

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and new life.

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Yeah. It is what makes the gospel message definitive, isn't it.

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Yeah, Jesus said, if our Paul said, if Christ was

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not raised from the dead, your faith is in vain.

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You're wasting your time. It's a fool's effort to be religious,

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to have faith. But if Jesus was raised from the dead,

766
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and remember he also raised Lazarus from the dead. Though

767
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Lazarus didn't stay undead forever, Jesus did, and he sent

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his Holy Spirit back to us to be with all

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of us at the same time. So life is not

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just healed from sin and death and the curse of

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this earth, but we have Zoe life, which is abundant,

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perfect life beginning now, but it'll go on for and

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it's all because Christ proved his atonement by raising from

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the dead on Easter.

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Well, let's rewind just a moment here, as we are

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in the start of this Holy Week, and we're entering

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with Jesus in his passion as he you know, we're

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just on the hills Palm Sunday, Hosanna. He is being

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cheered on and all this expectation and hope that Israel

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the Jews had at that time, and days later, these

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same people almost are saying crucify him.

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Jeff.

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We know that the priests and the Saducees and the Pharisees,

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and the scribes and the Jewish religious leaders, perhaps those

785
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who were different than Nicodemus. Nicodemus was really curious and

786
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looking strongly and humbly for the Messiah, which the scriptures

787
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point to. And you know, obviously those who read the

788
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scriptures missed Jesus.

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Perhaps because.

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His kingdom was so different and it didn't give them

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the political power and turn around and position that they

792
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hoped for. But it was really the crowd that they

793
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roused up, that yelled crucified Jesus, and there were still

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others who wanted him to be Messiah and who said Hosannah,

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but they kind of went silent, I think, which was

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evident built by the fact that only John of all

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the disciples showed up at the crouction, right and the rest,

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you know, Peter denied and the rest kind of were

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afraid and.

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Were scattered, But they did come back to him, and.

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They did live their lives for Jesus and for the Gospel.

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They even died martyr's deaths and belief and trust of Jesus.

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But it was hard at that time, I think for people,

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because Jesus was different, than what they expected. God's kingdom

805
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is upside down from the world's kingdom. He doesn't just

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reverse things and say on now I'm the president, you

807
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know everything.

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Yeah. Yeah. The thing is that the difference was they

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were looking for a temporal solution and Jesus was bringing

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an eternal solution. And uh, and this is why so often,

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you know, Jesus would challenge the leadership and say, you know,

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do you have ears to hear? But they didn't because

813
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they were so focused on the here and now as

814
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opposed to eternity. And you know, you and I have

815
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discussed this many times, and sometimes we're willing to forego

816
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eternity for some temporal for some temporal comfort, right, and

817
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the things this world that are all fade away, and

818
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and that puts Us in conflict with what Jesus went

819
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to the Cross for.

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Yeah, you said, the temporal versus the eternal.

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They were looking for the here and now change and

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he was aiming at the eternal. But there's another distinction.

823
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They were looking at the external that he would fix circumstances,

824
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fix the oppression by Rome, set up the Israel. You

825
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know that they expected that's external, but Jesus was about

826
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an internal change, an internal healing, an internal salvation. So

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it's what goes on in us has to change before

828
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anything else can change. And if you're looking too much

829
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for circumstantial change, you're not saying, Lord, change my heart,

830
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Lord heal me. It's kind of like that guy that

831
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was waiting at the pool of Bethesda for thirty seven

832
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or eight years paralytic to be healed, and Jesus asked

833
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him the question, do you want to be healed? Do

834
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you want to be well? And I think this question

835
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was do you want me to change you all the way,

836
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not just give you the ability to walk and not

837
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have to lay here at this pool hoping for a miracle.

838
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And that's a great question for us to think of

839
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this week and at Easter. Is do I want the

840
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internal forgiveness, salvation, healing and transformation that God brings to me?

841
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Or do I just want the circumstances of salvation so

842
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I don't go to hell and I do go to

843
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Heaven and answer to prayer so our life circumstances are better.

844
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It's internal before it's ever external.

845
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Yeah.

846
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No, that's a good point and it reminds me of

847
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and I don't know if I've shared this with you before,

848
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but this has been profound for me in the hallow

849
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app in what we're going through right now during this

850
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Holy week and previous it was forty days of prayer,

851
00:49:49.239 --> 00:49:52.599
and one of the recurring themes is from Mother Olga

852
00:49:52.719 --> 00:49:57.800
that says, God, empty me, God, feel me, God, use me.

853
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To your point, before you can be any good, You've

854
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got to let go of everything that's inside you, all

855
00:50:03.639 --> 00:50:08.679
that muck and mire and interpretation, worldly interpretation, your ideas are.

856
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Are you prepared to be fully emptied? And then and

857
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then and being fully emptied, then God can put all

858
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the things that are good and noble and righteous and

859
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only that are of Him into you. And then with

860
00:50:21.440 --> 00:50:24.760
all that, you say, God, I'm surrendered to you, Use me.

861
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Take what you've created, this new beginning that you've deposited

862
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in me. Use me for your kingdom and for your glory.

863
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And whoa man I mean, because you look at what

864
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Jesus did. That's exactly what he did. But even when

865
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when God filled him, Jeff, think about it, he had

866
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to fill Jesus with everything that was that covered all

867
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of eternity, you know, to infinity, going all the way

868
00:50:52.159 --> 00:50:55.800
back to the beginning of God's creation, all the sins then,

869
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and not only at that point atty three a d

870
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or whatever it was the exact year, but going on

871
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to now twenty twenty six and beyond, Jesus had to

872
00:51:07.880 --> 00:51:12.320
be filled to the capacity to redeem us all all

873
00:51:12.400 --> 00:51:16.639
the generations, on all of God's creation, from back to

874
00:51:16.679 --> 00:51:20.639
the very beginning and on to whenever this ends and

875
00:51:20.760 --> 00:51:21.679
Jesus comes back.

876
00:51:22.239 --> 00:51:29.400
Yeah, Jesus lived completely perfectly in alignment and relationship with

877
00:51:29.480 --> 00:51:35.039
his father. He represented constant righteousness, loving kindness, and goodness

878
00:51:35.079 --> 00:51:39.719
and justice and faithfulness and humility and other centeredness God glorifying.

879
00:51:39.760 --> 00:51:42.400
All credit always went to his father. He did that

880
00:51:42.599 --> 00:51:48.400
so completely. You're saying that it was enough righteousness to

881
00:51:48.519 --> 00:51:54.159
make up for five thousand years of human sin and

882
00:51:54.280 --> 00:51:59.159
human corruption bills, and jefs, I want to turn the

883
00:51:59.199 --> 00:52:00.800
corner a little bit, because all of us know that

884
00:52:01.320 --> 00:52:03.719
the greed and the lust and the anger and the

885
00:52:03.800 --> 00:52:06.960
hatred that we have inside of them, we know that

886
00:52:07.000 --> 00:52:09.440
it needs to be forgiven and healed, and we want

887
00:52:09.480 --> 00:52:12.840
Jesus to heal that. But sometimes the thing that we

888
00:52:13.000 --> 00:52:16.000
won't realize that we really need to empty ourselves of

889
00:52:16.199 --> 00:52:20.559
is our good intent to be a good person, our

890
00:52:20.679 --> 00:52:24.800
good intent to make our family turn out great, our

891
00:52:24.920 --> 00:52:29.239
good intent to run our business well, and you know,

892
00:52:29.679 --> 00:52:31.880
make a profit and hire some people and make a

893
00:52:31.920 --> 00:52:34.760
tithe and a little bit of a name for myself.

894
00:52:36.119 --> 00:52:38.400
God doesn't want us to count on.

895
00:52:38.480 --> 00:52:41.320
Any of our own goodness. It's nothing. I think the

896
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Bible compares it to filthy.

897
00:52:43.280 --> 00:52:44.199
As dirty rags.

898
00:52:44.559 --> 00:52:48.679
And the Pharisees they weren't out raping people, they weren't

899
00:52:48.719 --> 00:52:50.119
out murdering people.

900
00:52:50.719 --> 00:52:53.199
They were trying to be so good in the in

901
00:52:53.239 --> 00:52:56.280
and of themselves and then to appear good right praying

902
00:52:56.320 --> 00:52:59.400
on street corners and wearing all the fancy philacteries and

903
00:52:59.440 --> 00:53:03.320
things that She's pointed out that their goodness had become

904
00:53:03.320 --> 00:53:07.400
an idol, and that idol was so big there was

905
00:53:07.440 --> 00:53:11.199
no room for him. And he said they were whitewashed tombs.

906
00:53:11.239 --> 00:53:14.400
There was nothing of God inside of them. He said,

907
00:53:14.480 --> 00:53:18.159
you're like serpents. Basically, they were trying to be so

908
00:53:18.320 --> 00:53:23.719
good they became satanic. And remember Satan was Lucifer beforehand,

909
00:53:23.719 --> 00:53:28.440
an angel, and he wasn't satisfied with the wonderful condition

910
00:53:28.519 --> 00:53:31.960
that God put him in and his beauty and all

911
00:53:32.039 --> 00:53:34.400
the gifting he had as an angel. He wanted more,

912
00:53:35.079 --> 00:53:38.960
he couldn't say enough. And his quest for more.

913
00:53:40.400 --> 00:53:43.039
And being like God and getting glory like God is

914
00:53:43.079 --> 00:53:45.840
what made him rebel and of course be cast out,

915
00:53:46.480 --> 00:53:49.760
and of course to Seve, Adam and Eve and you

916
00:53:49.800 --> 00:53:53.559
and I. I think anytime that we're getting carried away thinking, man,

917
00:53:53.599 --> 00:53:56.039
what I'm doing is really good, this is important. I'm

918
00:53:56.079 --> 00:53:58.760
special or you know, maybe God doesn't know best, but

919
00:53:58.800 --> 00:54:01.440
I know best in this area. Satan talking to us,

920
00:54:02.159 --> 00:54:06.360
you say, Satan, get behind me, Jesus, win this victory. Jesus,

921
00:54:06.440 --> 00:54:08.119
you have one, the victory I call in your name.

922
00:54:08.519 --> 00:54:11.000
So that's a great way to overcome sin, even the

923
00:54:11.039 --> 00:54:14.599
sin of pride in our goodness, because there's no goodness

924
00:54:14.599 --> 00:54:15.760
that can find our way to heaven.

925
00:54:16.039 --> 00:54:16.960
Only God is good.

926
00:54:17.639 --> 00:54:20.519
Yeah. Amen, Well you know, And this is this is

927
00:54:20.559 --> 00:54:23.039
the challenge, the paradox in which we live in is

928
00:54:23.079 --> 00:54:26.280
our human condition that wants to strive for more, that

929
00:54:26.400 --> 00:54:29.639
wants recognition and acknowledgment. And we may say, we may

930
00:54:29.679 --> 00:54:31.280
throw a couple of crimes to God and say, hey,

931
00:54:31.280 --> 00:54:34.679
we're doing this for you, but God knows our heart right.

932
00:54:34.960 --> 00:54:37.559
And and the thing is is that what happens. Is

933
00:54:37.599 --> 00:54:40.320
that who is who is the king in your life?

934
00:54:40.960 --> 00:54:44.280
Is it God that liberates you? Or is it the

935
00:54:44.320 --> 00:54:46.480
things that bind you? The things of this world that

936
00:54:46.639 --> 00:54:48.360
is you and I have been talking about in the

937
00:54:48.400 --> 00:54:50.559
last couple of months, the things that hold you down

938
00:54:50.679 --> 00:54:54.639
and tether you to this mortal existence as opposed to

939
00:54:54.719 --> 00:54:59.800
the glorified, eternal existence of freedom and true love and

940
00:55:00.039 --> 00:55:02.840
glory that God wants us to live in. Jeff, I mean,

941
00:55:02.880 --> 00:55:06.880
that's the opportunity and that's the exchange here, and this

942
00:55:06.920 --> 00:55:10.480
is unfortunate. Like you say, what Lucifer decided to go

943
00:55:10.559 --> 00:55:15.280
with is the things that catapulted him, that threw him

944
00:55:15.320 --> 00:55:18.639
down to the earth, took him out of heaven boom

945
00:55:18.880 --> 00:55:21.840
landed him on earth and he's been there ever since.

946
00:55:22.559 --> 00:55:25.760
Yeah, this week is a great week to think. Do

947
00:55:25.840 --> 00:55:29.599
I want my version of life, which is imperfectly framed

948
00:55:29.679 --> 00:55:33.199
in my mind and my imagination and my heart, or

949
00:55:33.199 --> 00:55:37.320
do I want God's version of my life? And God

950
00:55:37.400 --> 00:55:40.800
is more benevolent, kind and loving and exciting and wonderful

951
00:55:40.840 --> 00:55:42.840
and generous than we could ever imagine. After all, he

952
00:55:42.920 --> 00:55:47.320
did sacrifice his perfect only son for you and me.

953
00:55:48.000 --> 00:55:51.639
There's no greater love than that it's amazing. So we

954
00:55:51.679 --> 00:55:54.079
need to let go of the false views of God

955
00:55:54.440 --> 00:55:57.360
that think he's pretty good in most areas, but not

956
00:55:57.440 --> 00:56:01.679
all areas, right, And that's the thinking that causes us

957
00:56:01.679 --> 00:56:03.800
to kind of hold on to some control in some areas.

958
00:56:03.800 --> 00:56:08.760
So this Easter, this, you know, Palm Sunday, this week,

959
00:56:08.880 --> 00:56:13.880
this Holy week, let's think about what am I falsely

960
00:56:13.920 --> 00:56:16.440
holding onto that I think I can run better than God?

961
00:56:16.480 --> 00:56:19.079
And where am I not realizing that He is so

962
00:56:19.239 --> 00:56:22.679
much better than me. I should surrender at all. It'd

963
00:56:22.719 --> 00:56:24.360
be the best thing I could ever do to surrender

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00:56:24.360 --> 00:56:25.119
at all to him.

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Exactly well, just as Jesus rose from the dead, when

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everybody thought, you know, can you imagine the mindset of

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everyone here it is Jesus, they thought, Judas even thought

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Jesus was going to be coming, is a reigning king

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and the temporal existence of humanity there in Rome at

970
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the time. God had a bigger plan. And what they

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00:56:46.239 --> 00:56:48.960
must have thought as Jesus was hanging from the cross

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as he was, you know, hardly recognizable, as they ripped

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his and shred his body to pieces, and they're seeing

974
00:56:57.280 --> 00:57:00.679
and thinking, man, there's our hope. We spent three years

975
00:57:00.719 --> 00:57:04.239
following this guy and this is what we got, you know.

976
00:57:05.000 --> 00:57:08.960
But you know they didn't They didn't know God to

977
00:57:09.079 --> 00:57:12.239
understand that Sunday was just around the corner. And for

978
00:57:12.320 --> 00:57:15.880
those of you who may be facing some tough times

979
00:57:15.880 --> 00:57:19.760
and thinking all is lost, you must remember on this

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00:57:19.880 --> 00:57:23.760
resurrection Sunday that God rose Jesus from the dead, and

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00:57:23.880 --> 00:57:26.800
as a follower of Christ, that is part of your

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DNA and heritage, is it not, Jeff, I'm gonna let

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you wrap it up, Go ahead.

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It is.

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I want to pray for people and praise God to

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close us up. So let's just pray Billy Father in Heaven,

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Lord Jesus, Holy Spirit, Bill, and I ask you to

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come and speak into the heart of every person listening,

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00:57:47.800 --> 00:57:52.719
and if they have never received, simply by faith, the wonderful,

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00:57:52.800 --> 00:57:56.920
wonderful salvation and gift and life, eternal life, adoption into

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your family, the freedom from sin, wiping out of the record,

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00:58:01.679 --> 00:58:05.400
and the agape love that you bring us. Lord, help

993
00:58:05.480 --> 00:58:09.400
them receive Jesus solely on his merit, nothing they need

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to do. And many of the rest of us. Lord,

995
00:58:11.559 --> 00:58:13.599
I pray for all of us who have yet to

996
00:58:13.639 --> 00:58:17.039
surrender fully to see where we're holding on where we

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don't see God accurately, and to surrender to who you

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00:58:20.280 --> 00:58:23.679
really are every area of our life so you can

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00:58:23.679 --> 00:58:26.280
fill us in control by your Holy spirit and you

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can get the glory.

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Lord.

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00:58:27.599 --> 00:58:29.559
We want to live a life that glorifies you and

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00:58:29.599 --> 00:58:33.639
points to you. We praise you for Easter and for Jesus.

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And your name.

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Amen, God. We pray that you would empty us, you

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would feel us, and you would use us for your

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glory in Jesus' name. Amen. Thank you, Jeff Kem.

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Appreciate you.

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Nick Brian is back with us to talk about all

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things Epstein and with the latest details, and also we're

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gonna be able to get into a little bit more

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of the Franklin scandal history if you don't mind. But Nick,

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first of all, let's update the audience on Epstein and

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particularly zoro Ranch.

1039
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Okay, there's not the thing about zoro Ranch.

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01:00:36.599 --> 01:00:40.800
It should have been search six years ago, but seven

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01:00:40.880 --> 01:00:41.480
years ago.

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01:00:41.320 --> 01:00:42.800
And diffree ecstas arrested.

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Whatever things are incriminating in zoro Ranch, we're taking out

1044
01:00:47.559 --> 01:00:53.599
years ago. So despite the sound and furies signifying nothing,

1045
01:00:54.760 --> 01:00:57.760
I think that Zoro Ranch is probably going to be

1046
01:00:57.800 --> 01:01:03.000
about as clean as as clean as the streets of

1047
01:01:03.000 --> 01:01:03.480
New York.

1048
01:01:06.079 --> 01:01:09.320
That's that's a little questionable right now. But maybe there

1049
01:01:09.679 --> 01:01:12.440
might be some lingering stuff there in Zorah Wrench. But

1050
01:01:12.440 --> 01:01:16.440
but you're exactly right. They probably somebody had to have

1051
01:01:16.519 --> 01:01:21.000
realized that there's you know, there could be some issues there,

1052
01:01:21.039 --> 01:01:23.599
and they probably went in and you know, they've had

1053
01:01:23.599 --> 01:01:25.719
plenty of time to clean up, clean up the mess

1054
01:01:25.760 --> 01:01:26.960
or clean up any evidence.

1055
01:01:27.039 --> 01:01:27.239
Right.

1056
01:01:28.599 --> 01:01:32.039
Yeah, along with Epstein's videos that were taken out the

1057
01:01:32.159 --> 01:01:35.400
day that Epstein was arrested, or within twenty four hours,

1058
01:01:35.840 --> 01:01:40.119
his New York safe was sliced open and there were

1059
01:01:40.880 --> 01:01:45.440
hard drives taken out, multiple discs. According to Pam Bondi,

1060
01:01:45.639 --> 01:01:50.400
some of those discs had Jeffrey Epstein molesting miners, but

1061
01:01:50.519 --> 01:01:54.280
then she they're one eighty and said that there there's

1062
01:01:54.320 --> 01:01:58.880
no videos of Jeffery Evsty molesting miners. That actually he

1063
01:01:59.039 --> 01:02:03.400
downloaded all is internet child abuse material, which is kind

1064
01:02:03.400 --> 01:02:03.800
of silly.

1065
01:02:04.719 --> 01:02:06.000
She also said that.

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In twenty twenty five last year, that it was the

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01:02:09.840 --> 01:02:12.719
first time the Department of Justice and FBI was going

1068
01:02:12.760 --> 01:02:17.519
over that material and there's no way that all that

1069
01:02:17.599 --> 01:02:20.840
material has been sitting in some corner of the FBI

1070
01:02:20.880 --> 01:02:21.840
and collecting dust.

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01:02:22.320 --> 01:02:23.000
Right.

1072
01:02:23.360 --> 01:02:27.199
I'm sure that various alphabet agencies were looking at that

1073
01:02:27.320 --> 01:02:28.719
stuff that day.

1074
01:02:28.840 --> 01:02:31.159
The next day people were doing double shifts.

1075
01:02:31.840 --> 01:02:37.840
So it's just another example of Pam Bondi's disingenuous lies.

1076
01:02:39.039 --> 01:02:41.800
Do you suspect that maybe there's sub files that were

1077
01:02:41.800 --> 01:02:45.159
taken out of that information in the spirit of j

1078
01:02:45.360 --> 01:02:48.400
Edgar Hoover, and that some of that material is out

1079
01:02:48.440 --> 01:02:53.599
there in hidden corners, not necessarily gaining dust, but just

1080
01:02:53.840 --> 01:02:57.039
you know, kind of held just in case if somebody

1081
01:02:57.119 --> 01:02:59.679
needed to get out of jail card or something.

1082
01:03:00.280 --> 01:03:04.039
I'm sure all of it is well, any of the

1083
01:03:04.079 --> 01:03:07.800
material that had compromat And I firmly believed that Jeffrey

1084
01:03:07.800 --> 01:03:11.199
Epstein one of his special Jeffrey Epstein was a multi

1085
01:03:11.239 --> 01:03:16.559
talented guy, but two of his specialties were pimping out

1086
01:03:16.760 --> 01:03:20.400
underage girls and also compromant. And he was also very

1087
01:03:20.400 --> 01:03:25.079
good at arms dealing and money laundering too. If I

1088
01:03:25.199 --> 01:03:29.199
was Team Evil and I had a first round draft choice,

1089
01:03:29.639 --> 01:03:32.119
Jeffrey Epstein would be the guy. I mean, he might

1090
01:03:32.159 --> 01:03:34.960
be the first pick overall if I was Team Evil.

1091
01:03:36.000 --> 01:03:39.880
Well, and what you're suggesting here and what has been

1092
01:03:39.920 --> 01:03:45.159
reported on is that Jeffrey Epstein had built up quite

1093
01:03:45.400 --> 01:03:50.039
an infrastructure that serviced his needs.

1094
01:03:50.760 --> 01:03:52.039
Absolutely well.

1095
01:03:52.480 --> 01:03:55.920
He had all the money in the world and so

1096
01:03:56.000 --> 01:03:57.880
that was anything that he had to worry about.

1097
01:03:57.960 --> 01:04:00.159
But Gallinne Maxwell helped.

1098
01:04:00.159 --> 01:04:04.960
Him build the machine that destroyed god knows how many girls.

1099
01:04:05.880 --> 01:04:09.440
And he was definitely doing arms deals with a hud Barak,

1100
01:04:09.639 --> 01:04:12.920
the former Prime Minister of Israel, and I also believe

1101
01:04:12.960 --> 01:04:16.199
that he was laundry money too. Les Wexner, the billionaire,

1102
01:04:16.360 --> 01:04:21.039
gave Jeffrey power of attorney over his vast portune in

1103
01:04:21.119 --> 01:04:26.840
nineteen ninety one. And you can't make this type of

1104
01:04:26.840 --> 01:04:32.320
stuff up, Vanity Fair said. The reason why billionaire Les

1105
01:04:32.360 --> 01:04:36.440
Wexner gave Jeffrey Ebstein power of attorney over his vast

1106
01:04:36.559 --> 01:04:42.719
fortune was because he was lonely. And then Leon Black.

1107
01:04:42.559 --> 01:04:45.559
Gave Jeffrey Epstein one hundred and sixty million dollars.

1108
01:04:45.880 --> 01:04:49.400
Leon Black is a billionaire and he ran Apollo Management,

1109
01:04:49.920 --> 01:04:56.039
and it's been reported by various media that Leon Black

1110
01:04:56.079 --> 01:04:58.840
gave Jeffrey Epstein one hundred and sixty one hundred and

1111
01:04:58.880 --> 01:05:02.280
sixty million dollars because jeff Epstein was helping them with

1112
01:05:02.320 --> 01:05:03.039
his taxes.

1113
01:05:05.000 --> 01:05:08.599
Well, that's a you know, h and R Block would

1114
01:05:08.639 --> 01:05:10.480
would have liked the deal. I mean, you know, they

1115
01:05:10.719 --> 01:05:14.039
wouldn't quite get up to that number. But Jeffrey Epstein

1116
01:05:14.079 --> 01:05:16.880
somehow became a CPA. Huh.

1117
01:05:16.920 --> 01:05:21.440
And initially I thought this was all compromat because Wexner's

1118
01:05:21.519 --> 01:05:24.480
name has come up and Leon Black's have come up

1119
01:05:24.519 --> 01:05:27.320
as perpetrators and co conspirators.

1120
01:05:27.760 --> 01:05:30.400
But actually I think it was money laundering.

1121
01:05:30.719 --> 01:05:35.519
I think that that triumvirate and then others were engaged

1122
01:05:35.559 --> 01:05:37.599
with money laundering with Jeffrey Epstein.

1123
01:05:38.639 --> 01:05:41.559
And the money that they were laundering, where did that

1124
01:05:41.599 --> 01:05:42.159
come from?

1125
01:05:44.119 --> 01:05:51.039
Jeffrey Epstein had long lasting ties to the Central Intelligence savements,

1126
01:05:52.039 --> 01:05:56.840
and I believe that less Wexner, Jeffrey Epstein and less Wexner.

1127
01:05:56.880 --> 01:06:00.559
There was an airline called Southern Air Transfer which was

1128
01:06:00.559 --> 01:06:03.719
the CIA proprietary airline. And actually it was the airline

1129
01:06:04.320 --> 01:06:07.480
that started a Ran Contra because one of its planes

1130
01:06:07.559 --> 01:06:13.280
was shot down delivering armaments to the Contras. And the

1131
01:06:13.320 --> 01:06:17.800
person that survived was Eugene Hofras, and he said that

1132
01:06:17.880 --> 01:06:24.440
he was a CIA contractor. And then Southern air Transport

1133
01:06:24.480 --> 01:06:30.679
was also used with Blood diamonds in Africa, and Epstein

1134
01:06:32.519 --> 01:06:34.719
and it's kind of actually kind of humorous to a

1135
01:06:34.760 --> 01:06:39.800
certain degree, although somewhat tragic. Epstein and Wexner had Southern

1136
01:06:39.840 --> 01:06:44.599
Air Transport moved to Ohio, so Southern Air Transport could

1137
01:06:44.679 --> 01:06:50.360
ostensibly disseminate the various clothing items that came out of

1138
01:06:50.440 --> 01:06:58.400
Wexner's el brands like Tommy Hoifig or Bittner, Victoria's Secret

1139
01:06:58.519 --> 01:07:02.400
and others. Yeah, and what has always crashed me up

1140
01:07:02.440 --> 01:07:04.360
about that is they didn't even change them.

1141
01:07:05.840 --> 01:07:07.960
They didn't even change the name of the air lot.

1142
01:07:08.440 --> 01:07:08.960
I mean.

1143
01:07:11.880 --> 01:07:13.559
It's I mean, you can look.

1144
01:07:13.480 --> 01:07:17.000
Up any newspaper Southern Air Transport was shot down by

1145
01:07:17.079 --> 01:07:23.639
the delivering arms to the conference, and yeah, they didn't

1146
01:07:23.679 --> 01:07:26.039
even bother changing the name of the airline.

1147
01:07:26.840 --> 01:07:29.000
Well, how long has that been in existence? I mean

1148
01:07:29.039 --> 01:07:32.360
we knew or at least have been reported, you know,

1149
01:07:32.400 --> 01:07:35.719
the CIA's involvement and all kinds of nefarious activity that

1150
01:07:35.880 --> 01:07:39.679
involved you know, transport with airplanes. So this is the

1151
01:07:40.000 --> 01:07:42.840
fly the family friendly skies of the CIA.

1152
01:07:43.159 --> 01:07:43.320
Right.

1153
01:07:44.440 --> 01:07:48.880
Yes, and there was Air America, but I think there

1154
01:07:48.880 --> 01:07:53.159
were other CI proprietary air lines that followed Air America.

1155
01:07:53.199 --> 01:07:56.039
But I think that Southern Air Transport is probably the

1156
01:07:56.119 --> 01:07:58.760
biggest of Yeah.

1157
01:07:58.840 --> 01:08:02.079
And you know I was suggesting that, you know, even

1158
01:08:02.079 --> 01:08:05.360
going back into the Vietnam era and all those drugs

1159
01:08:05.360 --> 01:08:06.719
that were transported, right.

1160
01:08:07.039 --> 01:08:08.159
That was their America.

1161
01:08:08.360 --> 01:08:12.199
Yeah, yeah, yeah, And so here it is. I mean,

1162
01:08:12.599 --> 01:08:17.560
it's no wonder that Americans have lost confidence in our government,

1163
01:08:17.880 --> 01:08:20.359
and certainly with the CIA and all the stuff that's

1164
01:08:20.399 --> 01:08:25.199
been going on, even to the point that we still question,

1165
01:08:26.279 --> 01:08:27.720
you know, who killed JFK.

1166
01:08:30.359 --> 01:08:34.680
When you cover up a crime, you ate in about

1167
01:08:34.720 --> 01:08:38.840
that crime, right, and our government has been covering up

1168
01:08:39.760 --> 01:08:41.560
Jeffrey Epstein's child rafting.

1169
01:08:42.399 --> 01:08:43.680
Well. It was first reported in.

1170
01:08:43.720 --> 01:08:47.279
Nineteen ninety six to the FBI, but the first large

1171
01:08:47.319 --> 01:08:49.760
scale cover up occurred in two thousand and seven, two

1172
01:08:49.800 --> 01:08:51.960
thousand and eight by the Bush administration.

1173
01:08:52.520 --> 01:08:53.760
Nick, I'll tell you what We've got to go to

1174
01:08:53.840 --> 01:08:55.279
quick break. Let's pick it up on the other side.

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01:08:55.279 --> 01:08:57.920
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Welcome back Bill Martinez here with Nick Bryan. He's the

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investigative reporter and we're talking Epstein, and I'm sorry, I

1267
01:13:36.600 --> 01:13:39.359
didn't mean to derivate. In going back to talk about

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01:13:39.399 --> 01:13:43.439
JFK and the CIA, I think the CIA has been

1269
01:13:43.479 --> 01:13:46.279
compromised for many years. I think it's pretty well accepted.

1270
01:13:47.399 --> 01:13:50.479
You know, even in modern history, we're seeing all this

1271
01:13:50.640 --> 01:13:53.239
involvement and interference, whether it has to do with Trump

1272
01:13:53.359 --> 01:13:56.119
or others. But as you were saying and recounting, is

1273
01:13:56.159 --> 01:13:59.560
that when it came to Epstein, you know, going back

1274
01:13:59.560 --> 01:14:03.359
to the Bush years, they knew that Epstein was a problem.

1275
01:14:04.359 --> 01:14:08.560
And I believe that Jeffrey Epstein ultimately got his sweetheart

1276
01:14:08.680 --> 01:14:14.279
deal from George Bush too. And I didn't know this

1277
01:14:14.359 --> 01:14:17.239
until recently, and I have some expertise with Jeffreybbs. I've

1278
01:14:17.399 --> 01:14:21.479
been investigating since twenty eleven. But I initially thought that

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01:14:21.520 --> 01:14:24.520
there was a grand jury that had been impaneled, and

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then it was adjourned relatively quickly, and then I was

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01:14:28.119 --> 01:14:29.960
told that there was a grand jury that was going

1282
01:14:29.960 --> 01:14:33.119
to be impaneled that was never impaneled. But now we

1283
01:14:33.279 --> 01:14:36.640
know that there was a grand jury that had drafted

1284
01:14:36.680 --> 01:14:42.439
a sixty count indictment against Jeffrey Ebstein, and Alexander Costa

1285
01:14:42.520 --> 01:14:45.920
was the US attorney and he was told to stand down.

1286
01:14:46.079 --> 01:14:48.840
And there's no way a US attorney is going to

1287
01:14:48.840 --> 01:14:52.319
go out on a limb and cover up international child

1288
01:14:52.359 --> 01:14:55.439
traveling network, you know, Latterly, it's just not going to happen.

1289
01:14:55.720 --> 01:14:59.359
Alberto Gonzalez was the Attorney General at the time, again,

1290
01:15:00.119 --> 01:15:01.600
going to go out on a limb and cover up

1291
01:15:02.640 --> 01:15:08.239
child international child traving network unilaterally. So that order came

1292
01:15:08.279 --> 01:15:12.199
from George Bush to cover up Epstein, and.

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01:15:13.359 --> 01:15:14.920
We've been covering it up ever since.

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01:15:14.960 --> 01:15:16.880
And as I was getting in that earlier, if you

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01:15:16.920 --> 01:15:19.239
cover up a crime, you're eighting and a betting that crime.

1296
01:15:19.399 --> 01:15:25.119
So our government has been assiduously aiding and a betting

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01:15:25.199 --> 01:15:28.239
Jeffrey Epstein's child traving network since at least two thousand

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01:15:28.279 --> 01:15:30.760
and seven, two thousand and eight, even though they were

1299
01:15:30.800 --> 01:15:35.000
cognizant of Jeffrey Epstein, the FBI was in nineteen ninety six.

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01:15:35.520 --> 01:15:39.640
Why would George W. Bush protect Epstein.

1301
01:15:40.039 --> 01:15:43.319
Because Jeffrey Epstein was very important, He was a CIA

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01:15:43.399 --> 01:15:49.239
asset and he and I think that that's really what

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01:15:49.520 --> 01:15:52.840
And when people say that Jeffrey Epstein has a massad acid,

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01:15:53.279 --> 01:15:57.359
I don't disagree with that. But on the other hand,

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01:15:58.439 --> 01:16:01.840
I don't think George W. Bush is going to cover

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01:16:02.000 --> 01:16:06.039
up a Massad asset like he covered up Epstein. I

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01:16:06.319 --> 01:16:10.640
think that Epstein was heavily meshed with the CIA, and

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do you.

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Think do you think he was a double agent of sorts.

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01:16:14.520 --> 01:16:17.640
Well, when you get into the Masad and the CIA,

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01:16:18.000 --> 01:16:20.239
it's kind of like the Gambino family and the General

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01:16:20.279 --> 01:16:24.600
of as crime family. They generally work together because they

1313
01:16:24.680 --> 01:16:29.079
found out that fighting is counter productive to profit margins

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01:16:29.119 --> 01:16:33.239
and other things. So Gambinos in the general ass get

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01:16:33.279 --> 01:16:36.039
along very very well. And I think that the Massad

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01:16:36.439 --> 01:16:39.760
and the CI get along very very well.

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01:16:41.840 --> 01:16:48.399
So uh so again, uh, George W. Bush understands Epstein

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01:16:48.439 --> 01:16:53.680
to be a CIA operative and uh and and he

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01:16:53.760 --> 01:16:58.399
must have been significant as an asset for the President

1320
01:16:58.439 --> 01:17:00.159
of the United States to involve himself.

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01:17:01.439 --> 01:17:04.439
And Bush's dad was head of the CIA, and he'd

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01:17:04.479 --> 01:17:08.680
been a CIA agent since probably the early sixties. You

1323
01:17:08.720 --> 01:17:12.880
were talking about the Kennedy assassination. Russ Baker and Family

1324
01:17:12.920 --> 01:17:16.319
of Secrets, which is a meticulously researched book, shows that

1325
01:17:16.479 --> 01:17:20.680
Bush was part of that assassination team and Dallas in

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01:17:20.760 --> 01:17:26.520
nineteen sixty three. So I don't know what mechanism it

1327
01:17:26.640 --> 01:17:29.319
came from with George W. Busher, could have come from

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01:17:29.319 --> 01:17:31.960
his father and said you've got to cover this up.

1329
01:17:32.960 --> 01:17:36.399
Could have come from Dick Cheney. It's difficult to say.

1330
01:17:36.960 --> 01:17:40.279
Right. Well, and as you say here he is, I

1331
01:17:40.279 --> 01:17:45.079
mean he's you know, he's laundering lots of money. His

1332
01:17:45.239 --> 01:17:52.800
influence internationally has has developed over the years. And meanwhile,

1333
01:17:52.800 --> 01:17:55.760
as a side hustle, he's involved in human trafficking.

1334
01:17:57.640 --> 01:18:02.079
And I think his partilection were for young girls. So

1335
01:18:02.720 --> 01:18:04.880
I think that that just kind of came naturally to him.

1336
01:18:05.479 --> 01:18:07.800
But you almost don't have to keep in mind when

1337
01:18:07.840 --> 01:18:11.560
we talk about George W. Bush, his predecessor Bill Clinton.

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01:18:12.199 --> 01:18:16.199
Epstein signed in seventeen times Yes to the White House

1339
01:18:16.520 --> 01:18:22.640
with women that he provided with Clinton. So Ebstein was

1340
01:18:23.479 --> 01:18:28.800
heavily enmeshed with our power structure. And I believe that

1341
01:18:28.840 --> 01:18:32.800
the Clintons and the Bushes are very close number of areas.

1342
01:18:32.960 --> 01:18:36.039
I believe that they've both engaged in similar criminality.

1343
01:18:37.159 --> 01:18:39.880
Do you think George W. Bush did well?

1344
01:18:39.920 --> 01:18:43.920
If he didn't, he definitely knew that his dad was.

1345
01:18:44.199 --> 01:18:46.520
I just don't see how he would not know that

1346
01:18:46.560 --> 01:18:48.560
his dad was in the criminality.

1347
01:18:48.600 --> 01:18:52.800
That is right, you're talking the criminality of human trafficking.

1348
01:18:53.640 --> 01:18:57.119
No, I'm talking the criminality of Iran contra.

1349
01:18:57.319 --> 01:18:59.920
Oh okay, right, okay, And I'm.

1350
01:19:00.039 --> 01:19:05.359
So talking about other types of criminality too. So and

1351
01:19:05.479 --> 01:19:09.840
George Bush Sr. Was necked deep around contract and so

1352
01:19:10.039 --> 01:19:14.319
is Bill Clinton because well, because of the the airport

1353
01:19:15.520 --> 01:19:16.680
right in Arkansas.

1354
01:19:16.920 --> 01:19:21.680
Well, like you say, I mean, look at when you

1355
01:19:21.680 --> 01:19:23.600
you're a meshed. I mean, he's involved in the c

1356
01:19:23.680 --> 01:19:26.560
I A. He's in Uh we have pictures of him

1357
01:19:26.640 --> 01:19:33.439
in Dallas that day regarding JFK's assassination. Uh. You know

1358
01:19:33.680 --> 01:19:38.800
that that follows you and and people know that, people

1359
01:19:38.800 --> 01:19:42.520
of influence know that. And and that's the way uh

1360
01:19:42.680 --> 01:19:45.079
influence works in the Beltway, doesn't it. Nick. I Mean

1361
01:19:45.119 --> 01:19:48.720
it's like if I've got something on you. Uh you

1362
01:19:48.760 --> 01:19:52.439
know uh that that's uh that limitsure power.

1363
01:19:53.039 --> 01:19:57.880
What Americans have been fed so much bs over the years.

1364
01:19:58.039 --> 01:20:02.560
But we're supposed to believe that George Herbert Walker Bush

1365
01:20:02.760 --> 01:20:06.760
had no affiliation with the CI whatsoever, but yet he

1366
01:20:06.920 --> 01:20:11.159
was made director of the CIA, right, I mean that

1367
01:20:11.560 --> 01:20:16.640
is the lie that we've been expected to buy.

1368
01:20:18.000 --> 01:20:20.199
Well, you see, and this is the problem I've had, Nick,

1369
01:20:20.239 --> 01:20:22.560
And we've been reporting on the show is that it's

1370
01:20:22.640 --> 01:20:25.920
been one lie on top of another on top of another.

1371
01:20:26.439 --> 01:20:32.039
And here we are a democratic republic operating supposedly on

1372
01:20:32.119 --> 01:20:36.439
a constitution, and you've got one party that talks about democracy.

1373
01:20:36.479 --> 01:20:39.239
And I keep saying, what do you mean? I don't

1374
01:20:39.279 --> 01:20:42.840
think you understand what democracy You're you're throwing it out there,

1375
01:20:43.119 --> 01:20:45.439
you know, for your base and to rally up your

1376
01:20:45.560 --> 01:20:49.279
side of the of the troops that divides America. And

1377
01:20:49.760 --> 01:20:52.960
until we really are able, you know, it's like a

1378
01:20:53.039 --> 01:20:55.560
Jack Nicholson moment, you know, and a few good men,

1379
01:20:55.840 --> 01:20:59.000
you know, if we can handle the truth of everything,

1380
01:20:59.239 --> 01:21:04.159
even going back to what happened with JFK and going

1381
01:21:04.239 --> 01:21:08.600
forward Vietnam, just just go right down the line, you know.

1382
01:21:09.159 --> 01:21:11.199
That's the problem with our country. And here we are

1383
01:21:11.199 --> 01:21:15.479
about to celebrate our two hundred and fiftieth anniversary, and

1384
01:21:16.039 --> 01:21:19.319
it's all entangled and enmeshed in all this deception.

1385
01:21:21.119 --> 01:21:25.319
I think that there's three mechanisms or trends that are

1386
01:21:25.359 --> 01:21:29.760
super imposed on each other that makes us a feat

1387
01:21:29.800 --> 01:21:34.119
as a voting populous. The division between the right and

1388
01:21:34.159 --> 01:21:38.800
the left has been quite breathtaking. When I grew up

1389
01:21:38.800 --> 01:21:42.960
as a kid, my next door we were Democrats, and

1390
01:21:43.000 --> 01:21:49.600
my next door neighbors were Republicans, and.

1391
01:21:47.359 --> 01:21:51.239
My buddy, their son was my best friend.

1392
01:21:51.680 --> 01:21:58.520
And there was no acrimony of Republicans and Democrats. Now

1393
01:21:59.239 --> 01:22:03.239
Republicans think that Democrats are mentally ill and vice versa.

1394
01:22:03.439 --> 01:22:07.800
So we've been divided and conquered that way. It's just

1395
01:22:07.800 --> 01:22:11.600
completely divice conquered. I think the second trend is that

1396
01:22:12.079 --> 01:22:17.119
Americans have been conditioned to believe that they cannot affect change.

1397
01:22:18.439 --> 01:22:21.159
And I think that the third trend is many of

1398
01:22:21.159 --> 01:22:25.439
our politicians are compromised. Yeah, so when you superimpose those

1399
01:22:25.479 --> 01:22:30.000
three trends on each other, you end up with a

1400
01:22:30.039 --> 01:22:32.880
bunch of child molesters that we know about who aren't

1401
01:22:32.880 --> 01:22:37.880
getting indicted, which is a real tragedy that it had

1402
01:22:37.880 --> 01:22:42.319
to come to this, that America knows that Jeffrey Everstein

1403
01:22:42.399 --> 01:22:45.279
was trafficking children and they were getting molested, and no

1404
01:22:45.279 --> 01:22:46.800
one's getting arrested.

1405
01:22:46.960 --> 01:22:50.039
Right exactly, well, and all the other levels of criminality

1406
01:22:50.520 --> 01:22:52.960
you know that has taken place in our country, that

1407
01:22:53.039 --> 01:22:57.520
nobody's getting arrested, nobody's going to jail, and we're supposedly

1408
01:22:59.119 --> 01:23:02.479
a land of the law in order, and we are

1409
01:23:02.560 --> 01:23:07.319
anything but. And this continues to have us at each

1410
01:23:07.359 --> 01:23:10.800
other's throats because we've lost sight of what it is

1411
01:23:10.840 --> 01:23:13.039
to be united that you know, like you said, when

1412
01:23:13.079 --> 01:23:15.079
you're growing up, I growing up, we were an American.

1413
01:23:15.159 --> 01:23:19.800
We never questioned anybody's you know, Americanism, but today we do.

1414
01:23:21.760 --> 01:23:26.079
Yeah, it's it's gotten to the point of very tragic.

1415
01:23:26.399 --> 01:23:31.000
And I'm when I started writing in The Franklin Scandal,

1416
01:23:31.199 --> 01:23:34.199
which is basically, if you want a carbon copy of

1417
01:23:34.279 --> 01:23:36.359
Jeffrey Emstein, the Franklin.

1418
01:23:35.920 --> 01:23:36.800
Scandal is the book.

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01:23:37.760 --> 01:23:40.399
I have not been able to vote for Republicans or

1420
01:23:40.439 --> 01:23:44.199
Democrats since then. When I was when I was first

1421
01:23:44.239 --> 01:23:47.640
digging around, I go to my Democratic buddies and I'd go,

1422
01:23:48.600 --> 01:23:52.199
you know, this Republican has compromised. And then I would say,

1423
01:23:52.520 --> 01:23:55.479
and this Democrat has compromised too, and then they would say, well,

1424
01:23:55.600 --> 01:23:59.720
you know, Nick, I think you're overreaching on this guy.

1425
01:24:00.119 --> 01:24:03.720
And the same thing what happened to with my Republican exactly.

1426
01:24:03.800 --> 01:24:07.079
So I just I have not been able to vote

1427
01:24:07.079 --> 01:24:11.000
for a Republican or Democrat. I mean, I really hope

1428
01:24:11.119 --> 01:24:14.600
that there is a day when I feel that our

1429
01:24:14.640 --> 01:24:19.079
political system isn't as compromised as it is. And I

1430
01:24:19.119 --> 01:24:21.960
will feel comfortable voting for a Republican or a Democrat.

1431
01:24:22.319 --> 01:24:24.600
It's going to take a radical movement, no doubt about it,

1432
01:24:24.640 --> 01:24:27.680
because they're so well entrenched. Nick, and sadly, this is

1433
01:24:27.760 --> 01:24:30.319
where we are and it's got to be a force.

1434
01:24:30.359 --> 01:24:33.199
Where again, in the name of the Constitution, those three

1435
01:24:33.199 --> 01:24:36.800
important words, we the people take our country back. We

1436
01:24:36.880 --> 01:24:38.640
got to leave it there for now. Look forward to

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Six minutes after the top. They are right now. I'm

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Bill Martinez. He's Niels G. Revilius, the infamous I'm telling

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based private investigator with more than thirty years of experience

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handling complex cases all across these United States as well

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as internationally. A US Army vet who completed three tours

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in Korea because he knew somewhere there was going to

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be some more fun if he just stayed there long enough, right, Neils.

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Well, I mean that is part of the program, isn't

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it to You know, you've heard all those people last

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week complaining about Secretary of War Hegseith sending steak and

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lobster to the troops. Well, let me tell you something.

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Every meal from a from a dirty can is a

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banquet when you're a grunt. Okay, So that's the way

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that one works. You can tell who's a civilian who

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is and you know those guys squeaking about like like

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like Pete Hegseth is going to eat that stuff himself, right, right?

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Yeah, all you need is a little John Wayne can opener, right,

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that little John Wayne can opener, and and you know,

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ration ere there and who needs anything else? Right?

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My father told me on the march into the Chosen Reservoir,

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they stopped for Thanksgiving dinner, and he knew that they

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were in for a bad one when the first sergeant

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showed up in a deuce and a half with hot rations.

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Yeah, yeah, exactly. It's almost like, you know, like they're

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last meal, you know kind of thing.

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Right, that's right, man, that's right. When you know you

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know so.

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Well, God bless him, and you know, and there you are,

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I mean, something like that in a fresh pair of

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socks and you're ready to go.

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That's right. It doesn't get any better. You know, if

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if you catch a bad one and your squatties have

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to bundle your stuff up to mail home, they're going

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to go through your stuff to make sure that they're

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not sending anything bad home. And it's usually just a

1539
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few of the letters that you saved, a photo or two,

1540
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your wallet, whatever, your kit was. What does a man

1541
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carry in the field. Not much?

1542
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Yeah, yeah, exactly. Well, Nail's a lot of controversy over

1543
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Caesar Chavez, and I know that you have been responding

1544
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and commentating on this, so break it down for us.

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01:30:55.159 --> 01:30:58.520
These allegations that have come out, you know, way after

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his death, and you know, like why now, And it

1547
01:31:01.279 --> 01:31:02.199
seems bizarre.

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01:31:03.079 --> 01:31:05.840
It seems very odd to me, mister Martinez, the timing

1549
01:31:05.920 --> 01:31:09.359
of this. Okay, So here we are on this big

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01:31:09.399 --> 01:31:12.560
fight over illegal aliens. I refuse to call them immigrants.

1551
01:31:12.560 --> 01:31:15.439
They're not immigrants, they're illegal aliens. An immigrant is a

1552
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guy who moves here legally. So Caesar chav has represented

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01:31:20.920 --> 01:31:25.800
an organized farm laborers, American farm laborers, whether they were

1554
01:31:25.880 --> 01:31:30.560
Latino or Okie's or Chinese or whatever, as long as

1555
01:31:30.600 --> 01:31:33.880
they were legal, he would organize them, and he risked

1556
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his life to do it. I think he was. They

1557
01:31:37.199 --> 01:31:40.479
tried to kill him two or three times. And so

1558
01:31:40.600 --> 01:31:46.479
his coequal organizer, Dolores Huerte, comes out in this big

1559
01:31:46.680 --> 01:31:51.840
splashy store in the New York Times, claiming that Caesar

1560
01:31:51.960 --> 01:31:55.880
Chave has assaulted her a number of times, impregnating her

1561
01:31:55.960 --> 01:32:02.279
twice children that she bore and then ostensibly purportedly gave

1562
01:32:02.319 --> 01:32:06.720
away to other people under informal adoptions. Well, this stinks

1563
01:32:06.760 --> 01:32:10.640
to me, Bill, and I'm gonna say why. Ms Wuerta

1564
01:32:11.760 --> 01:32:15.920
had fourteen children, she had two husbands, and she was

1565
01:32:16.079 --> 01:32:20.119
Richard Chavez girlfriend for a significant period of time. Four

1566
01:32:20.159 --> 01:32:26.880
of her children were sired by Richard Chavez, the younger

1567
01:32:26.920 --> 01:32:31.159
brother of Caesar Chavez. If you can find the Latino

1568
01:32:31.279 --> 01:32:34.000
male who will put up with some other man taking

1569
01:32:34.039 --> 01:32:38.319
liberties with his woman, that's a unicorn, Okay, that is

1570
01:32:38.359 --> 01:32:41.039
a unicorn. That is the rarest thing in the world. Man,

1571
01:32:41.119 --> 01:32:43.239
that's a good way to get killed messing around with

1572
01:32:43.920 --> 01:32:48.600
some guys, girl or missus. Okay. I don't know how

1573
01:32:48.680 --> 01:32:50.520
to say it in Spanish, but I think it's cold

1574
01:32:50.560 --> 01:32:53.279
and affair of the heart. And it's a good way

1575
01:32:53.319 --> 01:32:56.000
to get turned into a canoe with a sharp knife,

1576
01:32:56.439 --> 01:32:59.439
right exactly. It's nothing you want to mess with. I

1577
01:32:59.520 --> 01:33:03.399
promise you. From the tip of Tierra del Fuego to

1578
01:33:03.560 --> 01:33:07.640
the strait of San Juan del you don't want to

1579
01:33:07.680 --> 01:33:10.640
mess with this. So I don't believe it. I'm not

1580
01:33:10.840 --> 01:33:15.079
buying it. It stinks. Caesar Chavez had a history of

1581
01:33:15.119 --> 01:33:20.359
not just being opposed to illegal aliens, of sending United

1582
01:33:20.439 --> 01:33:23.479
farm Workers to block them from access to the fields

1583
01:33:23.479 --> 01:33:27.680
in Calexico, Imperial County, and protesting them at the border,

1584
01:33:27.720 --> 01:33:30.560
and even engaging in a little bit of labor union

1585
01:33:30.720 --> 01:33:36.000
violence led by him to keep scab labor out of

1586
01:33:36.039 --> 01:33:40.760
the fields. Now, I understand being opposed to the organization

1587
01:33:40.880 --> 01:33:44.439
of labor unions. Sometimes they are Marxist in origin. I

1588
01:33:44.479 --> 01:33:49.399
don't consider Caesar Chaves a Marxist. I consider Caesar Chavez

1589
01:33:50.039 --> 01:33:53.399
to be an American who risked everything he had to

1590
01:33:53.520 --> 01:33:58.039
represent men who didn't have much, Okay, and that's something

1591
01:33:58.039 --> 01:34:00.119
to respect, all right.

1592
01:34:00.479 --> 01:34:03.640
Yeah, And he wanted, you know, the field labors to

1593
01:34:03.680 --> 01:34:07.119
be respected. I remember one of the big issues, you know,

1594
01:34:07.199 --> 01:34:10.199
for me, I was born and raised in California, was

1595
01:34:10.640 --> 01:34:15.479
the whole. Right, Remember the real simple, simple device, a

1596
01:34:15.560 --> 01:34:20.239
tool that the farm labors would use, and they weren't

1597
01:34:20.279 --> 01:34:23.720
in the best benefit. But he pointed it out, and

1598
01:34:24.319 --> 01:34:27.600
all of a sudden, you know, these labors are getting

1599
01:34:27.640 --> 01:34:30.680
equipment that made sense and made it more effective and

1600
01:34:30.800 --> 01:34:31.520
healthy for them.

1601
01:34:31.640 --> 01:34:31.840
Right.

1602
01:34:33.239 --> 01:34:36.840
Well, so God bless them. They come here. They worked

1603
01:34:37.039 --> 01:34:40.359
their tails off. Just last year we were told that

1604
01:34:40.399 --> 01:34:43.520
these are jobs Americans don't want. Well, Caesar Chavez was

1605
01:34:43.560 --> 01:34:47.000
an American who wanted the job, okay, and he represented

1606
01:34:47.039 --> 01:34:51.600
Americans who wanted to do that work. It's hard work.

1607
01:34:52.119 --> 01:34:55.720
I don't want to work in a farm field. You know,

1608
01:34:55.880 --> 01:34:58.920
my father did it growing up in Missouri during the Depression,

1609
01:34:59.000 --> 01:35:01.920
that sort of thing. Know how hard job it is.

1610
01:35:02.439 --> 01:35:04.319
So they come out with this stuff and they make

1611
01:35:04.399 --> 01:35:07.439
all of these allegations. And here's the most suspicious part

1612
01:35:07.479 --> 01:35:12.239
about it. Bill the government that can't fix anything on time.

1613
01:35:13.199 --> 01:35:15.840
There never has any time or money for anything other

1614
01:35:15.880 --> 01:35:20.159
than maybe you know, transvestite healthcare and dyeing your hair

1615
01:35:20.239 --> 01:35:28.359
purple and you know, transvisive transvest Day of Death remembrance

1616
01:35:28.399 --> 01:35:31.239
and that kind of thing. They snap into instant action

1617
01:35:31.399 --> 01:35:35.600
with power washers and sand blasters and Chisels to scrape

1618
01:35:35.640 --> 01:35:40.359
Caesar Chave's name off of everything. And then Los Angeles

1619
01:35:40.399 --> 01:35:45.199
has this ridiculous child of a woman named Nithia Rahman

1620
01:35:45.279 --> 01:35:49.680
who is running for mayor against Karen Bass or whatever.

1621
01:35:50.479 --> 01:35:54.600
She's a communist, an out communists, self described communist. She

1622
01:35:54.800 --> 01:35:59.920
says that Caesar Chavez Boulevard formerly Brooklyn Avenue, should now

1623
01:36:00.119 --> 01:36:05.399
be called Labor Justice Boulevard. You know, so this is

1624
01:36:05.520 --> 01:36:08.680
just right out of the pages of George orwell how

1625
01:36:08.760 --> 01:36:12.159
quickly they're ready to throw this man overboard and he's

1626
01:36:12.199 --> 01:36:15.760
not around to defend himself to say, ex right.

1627
01:36:16.239 --> 01:36:19.359
Well, what's what's the rest of the Hispanic community saying, Nils.

1628
01:36:20.920 --> 01:36:23.600
You know, the guys who work for a living are

1629
01:36:23.640 --> 01:36:26.319
scratching their heads and saying, wait a minute, what are

1630
01:36:26.319 --> 01:36:29.760
you doing here? And the ones with their faces in

1631
01:36:29.840 --> 01:36:34.479
the trough, like Nthia Rahman and the other leftists, they're

1632
01:36:34.479 --> 01:36:36.520
going to go right along with it. And I'm going

1633
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to point something out here. Soon enough, they're going to

1634
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go gunning for Martin Luther King. They're going to tell

1635
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you what a monster Martin Luther King was right, because

1636
01:36:45.760 --> 01:36:50.039
he's now inconvenient because he was against abortion and things

1637
01:36:50.119 --> 01:36:58.560
like that. Okay. So in Leninism, the doctrine of communism,

1638
01:36:58.640 --> 01:37:03.800
this is called Leninist dialectics. Anything that isn't perfectly for

1639
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them is one hundred percent against them and has to

1640
01:37:07.239 --> 01:37:14.039
be removed, banned, circumscribed, executed in a bloody closet, and

1641
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a lubianca or something like that.

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Welcome back to America, Bill Martinez here with Neils Gravillius,

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the LA based private investigator and Army vet. Nils, as

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01:41:39.279 --> 01:41:43.279
you were, just to wrap up the Caesar Chavez topic. Yeah,

1720
01:41:43.319 --> 01:41:46.800
I just I'm really surprised as I'm not hearing the

1721
01:41:46.960 --> 01:41:51.399
Hispanic community coming out in outrage and even protecting, you know,

1722
01:41:51.680 --> 01:41:55.720
to me, something that is part of the tradition and

1723
01:41:55.880 --> 01:41:57.880
heritage of the Hispanic community.

1724
01:41:59.640 --> 01:42:02.840
Right, Well, let's see what Anaheuser Bush has to say.

1725
01:42:02.920 --> 01:42:06.359
I mean, didn't they create much of what we now

1726
01:42:06.399 --> 01:42:07.920
consider Sinko to Mile.

1727
01:42:07.720 --> 01:42:09.640
You go to mile exactly right, right?

1728
01:42:10.560 --> 01:42:13.079
Or Quatro de Julio, you know, that's the other one

1729
01:42:13.079 --> 01:42:18.319
that I like so much. But you know, yeah, let's

1730
01:42:18.359 --> 01:42:21.159
see what happens here. I mean, there's some people in

1731
01:42:21.199 --> 01:42:25.000
Los Angeles, you know, in positions or responsibility saying, well,

1732
01:42:25.000 --> 01:42:26.920
wait a minute, what are you doing here? You know,

1733
01:42:28.239 --> 01:42:31.079
he's been dead thirty years and suddenly this is the

1734
01:42:31.119 --> 01:42:34.760
most important thing about him to you. I mean, it

1735
01:42:34.800 --> 01:42:37.560
doesn't pass the smell test to me, Bill, not at all.

1736
01:42:38.159 --> 01:42:40.840
Yeah, they can't figure out how to restore all those

1737
01:42:40.880 --> 01:42:43.760
homes that were burned down in Pacific Palisades, but they

1738
01:42:43.760 --> 01:42:47.079
can sure get Caesar Chavez his name off of street

1739
01:42:47.159 --> 01:42:50.039
signs and everything else. As you say, right, yeah.

1740
01:42:49.920 --> 01:42:52.720
Look at he split like like he never existed. They're

1741
01:42:52.720 --> 01:42:55.399
going to erase this man.

1742
01:42:55.520 --> 01:42:59.800
Unbelievable. Well, Nancy Guthrie, what's the latest.

1743
01:43:00.640 --> 01:43:08.159
Well, there's a pretty well connected organizer. I don't want

1744
01:43:08.199 --> 01:43:11.399
to call him an influencer. He's a political guy in

1745
01:43:11.640 --> 01:43:18.079
Pema County named Gautiers who has started a recall petition

1746
01:43:18.159 --> 01:43:23.600
for the county sheriff, mister Nanos, based on the perception

1747
01:43:23.720 --> 01:43:26.479
that mister Nanos has probably dropped the ball on this

1748
01:43:26.680 --> 01:43:30.079
case in more ways than one, probably the public relations

1749
01:43:30.119 --> 01:43:33.520
angle of it more than anything else, because the people

1750
01:43:33.600 --> 01:43:37.279
actually handling the investigation within his office are pretty good.

1751
01:43:37.359 --> 01:43:42.479
The homicide Bureau in Pmaccounty is a good group of detectives.

1752
01:43:44.640 --> 01:43:50.199
The other day, Google announced that the imagery they identified

1753
01:43:50.279 --> 01:43:54.479
to a prior date, they can now no longer stand

1754
01:43:54.680 --> 01:43:59.520
by the date time group that they've ascribed to that

1755
01:43:59.640 --> 01:44:05.359
image in recovered footage from Nancy Guthrie's house, because there

1756
01:44:05.399 --> 01:44:07.800
was a second The one that they're referring to is

1757
01:44:07.840 --> 01:44:11.640
the one where the purported assailant does not have his

1758
01:44:11.800 --> 01:44:15.319
backpack on right, So they don't know whether it was

1759
01:44:15.439 --> 01:44:19.119
that day or ten days before, or maybe even three

1760
01:44:19.199 --> 01:44:22.520
days after. They just don't know. Well, it certainly wasn't

1761
01:44:22.520 --> 01:44:26.239
three days after because the night of the night of

1762
01:44:26.319 --> 01:44:31.399
the breaking, the assailant removed the ring camera. The footage

1763
01:44:31.399 --> 01:44:34.000
of which is subject to this, so there may have

1764
01:44:34.039 --> 01:44:39.359
been some reconnaissance of the scene casing in criminal orgo,

1765
01:44:39.800 --> 01:44:45.399
so they can no longer stand by that. Now I

1766
01:44:45.479 --> 01:44:51.239
have somebody in Arizona law enforcement whispering something in my

1767
01:44:51.399 --> 01:44:56.159
ear that they have a theory, an operation operative theory,

1768
01:44:56.920 --> 01:45:00.680
that this was personal, that it had absolutely nothing to

1769
01:45:00.720 --> 01:45:04.479
do with a kidnapping for ransom, but money or some

1770
01:45:04.640 --> 01:45:08.399
other personal motive was involved in this, and they are

1771
01:45:08.439 --> 01:45:11.119
of the belief that she has probably been dead since

1772
01:45:11.119 --> 01:45:16.000
that evening. M Well, that's the update on the Nancy

1773
01:45:16.039 --> 01:45:16.800
Guthrie case.

1774
01:45:17.279 --> 01:45:23.199
So so it was some personal retribution against Nancy or

1775
01:45:23.359 --> 01:45:27.000
maybe Savannah or something possibly, we don't know.

1776
01:45:27.600 --> 01:45:29.760
One of the men that I spoke with in Arizona

1777
01:45:29.840 --> 01:45:38.319
this morning said that that Savannah Guthrie's husband was politically connected,

1778
01:45:38.359 --> 01:45:40.920
and it might be that, but I don't think so.

1779
01:45:41.119 --> 01:45:43.880
He wasn't sure of that, and he's not law enforcement.

1780
01:45:44.560 --> 01:45:47.359
But the law enforcement people that I'm talking to are

1781
01:45:47.399 --> 01:45:50.920
saying that they have pretty much ruled out kidnapping for

1782
01:45:51.079 --> 01:45:57.960
ransom and they don't think that this civilian in a

1783
01:45:58.000 --> 01:46:01.479
backpack and a mask with his pistol tucked in front

1784
01:46:01.560 --> 01:46:06.279
and plane view is a veteran criminal. It's a very

1785
01:46:06.359 --> 01:46:10.279
well planed, well planned act that that that part us plane.

1786
01:46:11.000 --> 01:46:13.720
But if he were a convicted felon, let's say somebody

1787
01:46:14.119 --> 01:46:17.159
had been to the joint before, he would be concealing

1788
01:46:17.199 --> 01:46:19.880
his side home, he wouldn't he wouldn't be carrying it

1789
01:46:19.920 --> 01:46:24.239
out in the open like that, right, So they think

1790
01:46:24.279 --> 01:46:28.720
that this was a planned attack and that the Nancy

1791
01:46:28.800 --> 01:46:34.279
Guthrie knew him or thought she knew him. So that's

1792
01:46:34.359 --> 01:46:36.760
that's where where we are with this at this moment.

1793
01:46:37.560 --> 01:46:43.680
So quite possibly, uh, you know, somebody there in in

1794
01:46:43.720 --> 01:46:46.520
the Tucson area that she may have had some kind

1795
01:46:46.560 --> 01:46:51.279
of you know, incidental connection with or at least uh

1796
01:46:52.159 --> 01:46:54.319
you know, maybe cross paths with or something.

1797
01:46:54.359 --> 01:46:57.399
But but still, this is a deeper, deeper connection than that,

1798
01:46:57.439 --> 01:47:01.000
deep deep enough to want to for somebody to want

1799
01:47:01.039 --> 01:47:05.560
to eliminate her. So we don't know yet, And I'm

1800
01:47:05.600 --> 01:47:08.359
standing by my belief is that this case does get

1801
01:47:08.439 --> 01:47:10.279
solved now.

1802
01:47:11.359 --> 01:47:14.479
And what what are you holding to right now, Nils,

1803
01:47:14.520 --> 01:47:17.920
I mean, with all that you know and your expertise,

1804
01:47:18.920 --> 01:47:22.079
what is what is what is your gut saying about

1805
01:47:22.079 --> 01:47:22.640
this case?

1806
01:47:23.199 --> 01:47:28.399
Personal motive? Somebody had a personal motive to gain from it,

1807
01:47:29.119 --> 01:47:33.800
or because they were personally offended by her or disliked her,

1808
01:47:34.039 --> 01:47:38.199
or there's somebody so bereft of conscience that it doesn't

1809
01:47:38.239 --> 01:47:42.279
bother them to eliminate her for the purposes of personal gain.

1810
01:47:43.439 --> 01:47:46.239
Was there anything that has come out about Nancy Guthrie

1811
01:47:46.520 --> 01:47:50.079
that would indicate that, you know, she was on resort

1812
01:47:50.279 --> 01:47:52.840
or she could upset people. I mean, if anything, you

1813
01:47:52.920 --> 01:47:55.239
hear just the opposite that she's just was such a

1814
01:47:55.279 --> 01:47:56.199
sweet woman.

1815
01:47:56.880 --> 01:47:58.920
A sweet old lady, a little bit of a liberal.

1816
01:47:59.039 --> 01:48:03.800
She posted a lot her just dislike of our president.

1817
01:48:03.920 --> 01:48:06.920
But I don't think that the Justice Department is going

1818
01:48:06.960 --> 01:48:09.960
to allow that to stop them from identifying her killers.

1819
01:48:10.520 --> 01:48:10.720
Yeah.

1820
01:48:10.760 --> 01:48:13.359
So the people are entitled to a political opinion in

1821
01:48:13.399 --> 01:48:16.479
the United States. At least the people on our side

1822
01:48:16.520 --> 01:48:19.239
are more tolerant of the political opinions on the other

1823
01:48:19.359 --> 01:48:23.119
side rather than the inverse. They can't stand it when

1824
01:48:23.159 --> 01:48:24.960
we have an oppositional point of view.

1825
01:48:25.840 --> 01:48:28.920
Yeah, exactly. Yeah, they're the ones that claim to be

1826
01:48:29.000 --> 01:48:31.520
fair minded and they're open to other point of views

1827
01:48:31.600 --> 01:48:32.319
until they hear it.

1828
01:48:32.960 --> 01:48:36.680
That's how they hid Yeah, yeah, kind of me.

1829
01:48:36.880 --> 01:48:42.359
Well, I mean for some reason, I mean, you keep thinking,

1830
01:48:42.760 --> 01:48:44.399
sooner or later, there's going to be there's got to

1831
01:48:44.399 --> 01:48:47.119
be some breakthrough. I mean, could you imagine this being,

1832
01:48:47.680 --> 01:48:53.279
you know, a twenty year cold case, the only one

1833
01:48:53.319 --> 01:48:55.319
in today's technology and everything nels.

1834
01:48:57.039 --> 01:49:00.840
The only one that comes to mind is the is

1835
01:49:01.159 --> 01:49:03.880
Jean Manet Ramsey. I was going to say, and the

1836
01:49:03.920 --> 01:49:06.760
only reason that one is cold, quote unquote is they

1837
01:49:07.199 --> 01:49:10.000
have a very good idea who did the crime. But

1838
01:49:10.119 --> 01:49:12.520
because of the way the crime scene was handled in

1839
01:49:12.600 --> 01:49:17.800
the opening hours, without a corroborated confession from the killer,

1840
01:49:18.039 --> 01:49:21.800
they cannot bring a case. They don't have corroboration and

1841
01:49:21.840 --> 01:49:23.199
the killer hasn't confessed.

1842
01:49:25.119 --> 01:49:29.680
It breaks something similar here with Nancy Guthrie, because there's

1843
01:49:29.760 --> 01:49:34.039
been some debate in terms of how the crime scene

1844
01:49:34.079 --> 01:49:38.319
has been mishandled, particularly, you know, which is what put

1845
01:49:38.399 --> 01:49:41.800
the you know, the current sheriff in jeopardy a bit, right.

1846
01:49:42.560 --> 01:49:45.279
I think that there's some conjecture over that. Now I

1847
01:49:45.279 --> 01:49:47.479
didn't get to walk the crime scene and see the

1848
01:49:47.520 --> 01:49:50.159
evidence that sort of thing. I would very much like to,

1849
01:49:50.279 --> 01:49:57.119
but I haven't been brought in on this case yet.

1850
01:49:57.560 --> 01:50:02.840
My information is based on a local media report contemporaneous

1851
01:50:02.920 --> 01:50:06.640
with the first disclosure that she was missing, was that

1852
01:50:06.720 --> 01:50:09.920
the house, the interior of the house was a crime

1853
01:50:10.000 --> 01:50:14.000
scene per the sheriff, and that there was no sign

1854
01:50:14.079 --> 01:50:18.640
of a forced break in. The lack of a forced

1855
01:50:18.720 --> 01:50:24.000
break in strongly indicates to me that she knew or

1856
01:50:24.199 --> 01:50:26.920
thought she knew her killer. It was two o'clock in

1857
01:50:26.960 --> 01:50:29.920
the morning. You're eighty four years old, male or female.

1858
01:50:29.960 --> 01:50:33.159
Somebody comes pounding on the door. You don't open that door.

1859
01:50:33.199 --> 01:50:37.319
You die on nine one one unless the person says, Nancy,

1860
01:50:37.479 --> 01:50:40.000
it's me, please open the door.

1861
01:50:42.119 --> 01:50:49.039
Exactly. Yeah. Wow, Well, Neils, this has been one of

1862
01:50:49.079 --> 01:50:52.920
those situations. And for Savannah Guthrie and for the family,

1863
01:50:54.640 --> 01:50:56.760
you know how this has been weighing on their hearts

1864
01:50:56.800 --> 01:50:58.279
for this extended period of time.

1865
01:50:59.640 --> 01:51:03.800
Well, yes, I'm going to say something about that. People

1866
01:51:03.840 --> 01:51:07.880
often talk about closure in these contents. There's no closure

1867
01:51:07.960 --> 01:51:11.159
for a family. They hurt forever. It just loses the

1868
01:51:11.199 --> 01:51:13.319
power to hurt them as much as it once did.

1869
01:51:14.399 --> 01:51:17.439
I have a couple of clients who've had family members

1870
01:51:17.560 --> 01:51:23.720
kidnapped for ransom in foreign countries, and they look over

1871
01:51:23.760 --> 01:51:26.359
their shoulders for the rest of their lives. They are

1872
01:51:26.600 --> 01:51:31.079
always concerned that mother, father, daughter, son, etc. Or even

1873
01:51:31.119 --> 01:51:34.039
themselves are going to get scooped up off the street

1874
01:51:34.680 --> 01:51:38.079
by men in hoods and being beheld for ransom. And

1875
01:51:38.600 --> 01:51:42.560
it's a terrifying prospect. One of these clients has done

1876
01:51:42.720 --> 01:51:46.640
every single thing to remove every family member he can

1877
01:51:46.760 --> 01:51:48.880
from the country that he was born in. He is

1878
01:51:48.960 --> 01:51:49.880
so fearful of it.

1879
01:51:51.119 --> 01:51:53.239
Well, Nils Gerillius, we got to leave it there. Thank you,

1880
01:51:53.239 --> 01:51:56.159
as always, I appreciate the time. He's the LA based

1881
01:51:56.159 --> 01:51:59.039
private investigator with more than thirty years of experience handling

1882
01:51:59.079 --> 01:52:03.279
complex cases across all fifty states and internationally.

1883
01:52:03.479 --> 01:52:06.359
Neils, thank you so much. Take care, Thank you, mister Martinez.

1884
01:52:06.439 --> 01:52:11.399
You have a safe week. It's good to see him always. Hey,

1885
01:52:11.399 --> 01:52:13.920
we're always grateful for Neil's Gervillius.

1886
01:52:14.000 --> 01:52:17.319
I appreciate him coming on and giving us all the

1887
01:52:17.359 --> 01:52:21.960
information about the latest investigations that he's involved with in

1888
01:52:22.119 --> 01:52:25.640
just about every state across the country. Anyway, look at

1889
01:52:26.840 --> 01:52:30.079
this week is just such a special week for me

1890
01:52:30.199 --> 01:52:32.520
and you know, for all of us of faith, because

1891
01:52:32.880 --> 01:52:35.279
here it is, this is the passion week when we

1892
01:52:35.399 --> 01:52:40.079
really bear down on all that you know, God gave

1893
01:52:40.159 --> 01:52:45.159
us in our appointed time, even now in this Easter season,

1894
01:52:45.279 --> 01:52:48.960
and all that it represents in terms of our liberty,

1895
01:52:49.079 --> 01:52:52.479
liberty and the blessings that God has bestowed upon us,

1896
01:52:52.520 --> 01:52:55.359
and all that Jesus did for us. And you know,

1897
01:52:55.359 --> 01:52:58.199
as we've been talking about that, you know, Bill Fetter

1898
01:52:58.319 --> 01:53:01.920
brought out earlier this week, in terms of the amount

1899
01:53:02.039 --> 01:53:06.359
of you know, suffering that Jesus had to go through

1900
01:53:07.039 --> 01:53:10.800
because of him paying the price for all our sins.

1901
01:53:10.800 --> 01:53:13.960
It wasn't just the sins at that point in time.

1902
01:53:14.399 --> 01:53:19.680
We're going back in history from day one when you know,

1903
01:53:19.720 --> 01:53:24.079
God's creation came into being. So when you had the

1904
01:53:24.119 --> 01:53:27.359
fall from I should say actually the fall when Adam

1905
01:53:27.399 --> 01:53:32.359
and Eve sinned, then from that point forward and even

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today and beyond. So here's the impact of the sin

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that Jesus had to bear is all of eternity. And

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I don't know how that's set with you, but that

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hit me in a most definitive way. I've always looked

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at the passion of the Christ as being very profound

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and painful. It's painful to watch, you know, even as

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the passion depicts it. But even that is as tough

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as it is to watch, That's really nothing when you

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think about all that Jesus had to endure you know,

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the accumulation of an eternity of sins of mankind that

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he paid the price. I'll tell you, it just blows

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me away. It's quite humbling, and you know, and that's

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in putting it in mortal terms. It's much more profound

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than that. And I pray that this sister season would

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be a remarkable and profound Easter season that would be

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similar to all that Jesus went through on our behalf.

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