April 10, 2026

The Bill Martinez Show 04 10 26

The Bill Martinez Show 04 10 26
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The Bill Martinez Show 04 10 26
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Are you ready?

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Yeah, okays do an Ill Martinez Live a program about

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current events, our culture, our values, our politics, and our future.

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And now Bill Martinez, Well.

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Good morning America. Six minutes after the top of the hour,

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I am Bill Martinez. He is Horace Cooper, Yes, the

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constitutional attorney and legal expert that everybody wants to talk to. Hey,

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mister Horace, Happy Easter to you.

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Happy Easter to you. It's always a real blessing and

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a pleasure to come.

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On your show.

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Well, as we're talking about before, I mean, we were

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both so elated with the news on Easter Sunday, not

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only that the grave is still empty, but also that

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our airmen was discovered. And when you follow the timeline

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of it all, you know, Friday, he you know, climbs

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up the mountain seven thousand feet something like that, climbs

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up his mountain. He's injured, and he hides himself in

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a cave and then comes out of that cave on

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Sunday morning. Sounds like a sim story. Hi, is this

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an Eastern miracle message? Maybe we should we should hang

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on to a.

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Good Friday to Easter morning celebration. Is just an amazing story.

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And if I were running a movie studio.

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I would be hiring writers right now, exactly my blockbuster

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movie about this amazing rescue that was miraculous.

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The message that he initially set to America and the

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Department of War to let them know that it was him.

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God is great. What an amazing message.

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Yeah, you're exactly right, Horace. I think there's more to

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the story here, and I can't wait to hear the

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rest of the story of what this man, this airman

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had had experienced. And I just know there's more to it.

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But it's a it's aching for a movie, you know,

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that would be fun.

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Absolutely, And if I were Hollywood, these are the types

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of things that I would keep my eye on. Top

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Gun was a billion dollar movie maker, the most recent version,

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because this is what Americans like, exactly. All of this

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other stuff that attacks us our values, our beliefs, and

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all of that, those movies lose. Even when Disney remakes

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a cartoon that would add these crazy things in it.

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Yeah, exactly, how they violate, Yeah, they violate and abandon

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our values. And you're exactly right. I mean, all this

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is coming together at a time here we are ready

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to celebrate two hundred and fifty years of our existence, Horus,

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And and I tell you it's the left uesn't know

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what to do with themselves because Donald Trump and conservatism

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people of faith continue to demonstrate one victory after another.

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And we're going to have lots to celebrate. And what

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are they going to be jumping up and down about?

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You know, the same old mantra, how much they hate

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Trump and how much they hate our country.

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Well, you know, I talk to these people occasionally, since

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I sometimes see them when I'm in the green room,

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for instance, and it is remarkable how out of touch

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they are when I remind them that they hated Trump

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in the first term as much or more as they

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hate him now. They hated George W. Bush in his

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second term, and his first term, they hated Ronald Reagan.

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These men are not identical. And yet the left thought

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the answer to rally people is to say we hate

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him and you need to hate him. Well, it doesn't work,

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It absolutely doesn't work. Well, the thing founders gave us

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self government, and that means it's their job to persuade

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us that tricked us with hate rhetoric.

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Right. Well, and the thing that surprises me here just

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how disconnected they are horace is that these very same

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people that hate Trump Trump has been championing these ninety ten,

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eighty twenty issues that are no brainers, right, I mean,

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just common sense issues and policies, And you go back

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into the vault, the video vault, and you have these

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same people who hate Trump and malign these policies that

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are promoting and they promoted them themselves twenty years ago.

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Oh no, it's really really amazing. I remember seeing Senator

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Hillary Clinton go to the floor and say that she

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was offering a motion to increase funding for a wall

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to prevent illegal immigrants from coming into America. And you

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know who also voted for it, Senator Barack Obama. Now

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that's proof if you advocate that that you hate people,

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that you want to destroy people. It is amazing that

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these eighty twenty ninety ten ideas they are still stuck on.

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If you're nine years old and you were born a boy,

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we think we could persuade you with surgery that you

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were a girl. No rational person thinks that. And it

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is amazing that such a tight grip is held on

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the leaders of the left that they have to stick

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with that when common sense would just say Hey, guys,

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we haven't been able to make this case. We're gonna

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have to let that go.

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No, they doubled down exactly.

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Yeah.

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I mean, look what's happened in Europe. They figured this

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out and they said, hey, we're not doing this. And

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now here we got Boseburg, our favorite activist judge, you know,

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weighing on curbing Trump's FTC demand for transminers data after

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this heated court clash. You know, this guy's a never ending,

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you know, bad news story, This judge Boseburg, and why

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he's still you know, he's still is a judge is

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beyond me.

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I think at some point the Supreme Court is going

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to get tired of overturning him and they're going to

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issue in order. I remember, I can't think of the

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gentleman's name, but he was convicted in the Oklahoma City

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bombing and the judge, excuse me, the circuit court judge

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in the case for his death penalty kept coming up

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with new excuses. Well, the orange jump suit made that

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look bad, or he had in effective counsel. And the

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court did something that I'm rarely seen, and they said

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that they would entertain no more orders delaying from this

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particular judge, and that meant, this is how radical that

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response was. That meant even if an actual eyewitness was

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able to testify or someone said I did it, it

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wasn't him, we couldn't hear it anymore. And that's what

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you get when radical judges get out of their place,

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they have to be rebuked.

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Yeah, well, you know you've got something similar in a

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way in Utah. What's going on with the murderer, the

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alleged murderer of Charlie Kirk. I mean, they're dragging this

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thing out three ways to Sunday, and I get it.

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Maybe part of the argument is, I mean, you're a

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legal analyst and constitutional attorney. Maybe these attorneys are just

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making sure that all the eyes are dotted and teasercross

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so that you know, it makes it less and less appealable.

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I guess.

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So there's two things that's going on. The description you

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gave is accurate, it will make it very, very difficult

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to appeal. But the other thing is by throwing so

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much on the wall, they're hoping that something ends up sticking,

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and when it comes time for us to choose a jury,

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they have clouded the minds of the pool of people

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who say, hey, I'm I'm gonna hear this case and

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I'm going to be open minded. But it's hard for

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me to put aside this argument and this argument that

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I heard on the news.

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Exactly well, and this is this is all part of

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the process. You you you spoil the jury pool.

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Right, That's their goal, that's their dream. As I said

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in the end, this case is very very likely to

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go up to go forward. As a consequence, what I

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expect is that this case is going to get resolved

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and the death penalty is very very likely waiting on

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the killer of mister Charlie Kirk got to.

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Going to break more from Horace Cooper after this stay

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with us.

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Cole's epic deals prove one thing.

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A good deal is the best feeling, better than remembering

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Well, okay, the coffee is pretty close, but still, Cole's

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Hey, we're back with you, Bill Martinez here along with

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Horace Cooper, the legal analyst and constitutional attorney and constitutional professor.

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I should say as well, I guess I could still

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say you're a constitutional attorney, right an author? Yes, of

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course exactly. Well, hey, let's talk about birthright citizenship. Scotis

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is still you know, still canodling over this deal. What's

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your leaning.

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Well, here's the thing. Our Chief Justice, a decent, fine man, forgets, however,

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that it's his job to interpret the Constitution, not worry

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about the reputation of the court. If you adhere tightly

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to the constitution, even if a ruling is unpopular. By

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the way, a ruling striking down birthright citizenship would not

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be unpopular. But even if it were unpopular, eventually the

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American public would see how this is tethered to the

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Constitution and they will support it. But those cocktail parties, well,

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those it might not be popular there and with the elite,

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and I fear that our Chief Justice is more interested

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in that reputation than he is in integrity of the law.

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The other point is it is true that there is

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a partial precedent showing that birthright citizenship is constitutional and

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it would have to be overturned often, as I expect

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distinguished those circumstances were that this is the new set

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of circumstances, and this is the rule going forward. Mister

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Justice Thomas, mister Justice Alito recognized that no.

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Mature First World nation has a birthright policy, even countries

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that used to have it have changed it in the

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twentieth century because they see the consequences of it. And finally, wow,

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an argument was made better than any that we have

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seen that put in writing why these claims are important

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for us to not haveright citizenship. So, no matter what

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happened in oral arguments, the actual written arguments before the

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court presented a very very solid case.

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What part, Horace, help us understand. You said there is

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a small part of it that has some legitimacy.

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Well, I want to say legitimacy. But there's a case

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called Wan kim Ark in eighteen ninety eight in which

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a Chinese individual born of Chinese parents in the United

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States went back to China and when he attempted when

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he attempted to come back on board to America, he

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was told that he couldn't. My point about that is

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the Supreme Court ultimately ruled that he could and that

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he was protected by the Constitution. The left has run

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with that to say every body can kind of get on.

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A plane, stay for ninety six hours, you're pregnant, and

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then you're gonna get here, rush to a hospital, give birth,

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feel like the paperwork for.

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A birth certificate, and then run back home to your country.

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It is happening. The Court has seen actual, credible, ridden arguments,

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and that means that when mister Justice Thomas and mister

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Justice Alito sit down with the other justices, they're going

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to say that there are very strong and robust arguments.

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Now you and I have talked about this. There are

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three justices that just don't care about our constitution. So

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it can't be better than a six to three case.

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But it is possible that they can't get a five

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vote majority for any ruling on this case. The Chief

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Justice is going to try to simply argue, I predict

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that the one kem arc case provides good precedent, but

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the three liberal justices want to go further and make

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a claim that, as I say, every single person who

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gets on a plane lands here has a baby is

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a citizen. No matter whether they ever intended to accept

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the sovereign law of the United States, they want to

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go further. Those three justices, he's going to want to

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try to go narrow. Two justices are going to want

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to say that birthright citizenship was never contemplated by the drafters.

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And the real question is what do the remaining justices

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want to do?

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Exactly well, and I thought his State Justice Roberts in

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response to Solicitor General Sowers argument that birth tourism and

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modern air travel have created a new world requiring a

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different legal standard, and Roberts says, well, it's a new world,

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it's the same constitution. What did that mean?

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The principle that the First Amendment applies whether it's a

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modern church or an old church. The First Amendment applies

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whether it's a old newspaper or a modern newspaper. I

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understand that. But the framers of the Fourteenth Amendment were

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attempting to do was addressed the problem of many of

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the old Confederate states refusing to accept that the blacks

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who lived in their jurisdictions were actually citizens, and there

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was no willingness on their part In fact, in the

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debate on the floor of the United States Senate and

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the United States House, they explicitly said they were not

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attempting to say that every person that comes Native Americans

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who had been here before there was an America did

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not get citizenship until the twentieth century. Let me repeat

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that the twentieth century. The framers of the fourteenth Amendment

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never intended this exactly.

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Or why is in Congress picking this up? Is it

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just such a hot potato, or is it it disqualifies

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them from those DC cocktail parties or what?

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Well, it does disqualify them from the DC cocktail parties,

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it does disqualify them from the associations after they leave

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their serving elected positions, and they want to go on

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these boards and all of those kinds of things. But

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it would be such smart politics. My old boss, Dick

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Army used to say that popular policy is smart policy,

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and that means that if you're doing the thing that

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the American people want, it's the right thing to be doing.

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And yet so many of our elected officials shy away

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from it. Now this issue has gotten so wrapped up

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as the Donald Trump policy that even some Republicans are

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shying away from it. It's very foolish.

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Yeah, it's amazing, and I'm just surprised, Like you said,

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like your old boss, you get these ninety ten eighty

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twenty issues that should be a no brainer. And I

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guess maybe that's the problem, is that you have to

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lose your brain to not come alongside and support those

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eight twenty or ninety ten issues.

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Right.

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Well, our founders didn't intend for people to come to

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Washington and make a career out of it and then

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after a long career use the fact that they were

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in Washington as their new income stream. They just didn't

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contemplate that. They didn't think that people would do this.

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And so you came to Washington with the values of

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your community, understanding that when your time was done, you

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would go back home to your community living under those

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same rules. Exactly, come to Washington, and after they're done,

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they live in the counties around Washington, d C. In

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their big mansions, and in order to do that, they

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can't actually push the kinds of policies that the American

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people want.

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Well, there you go. Horace Cooper, nationally recognized legal commentator

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had Jack Fellow with the National Center for Public Policy Research,

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co chair of the Project twenty one National Advisory Board

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and author Horace. As always, we appreciate the inside. Thank you,

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take care, godspeed you too.

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Well, good morning, welcome back Bill Martinez here along with

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the professor himself, doctor Wilfrid Riley. Hey, well, how you doing.

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I'm doing pretty well, doing pretty well. Glad to be

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on the line.

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Hey, great to have you here. Can we talk a

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little bit basketball? Is that all right?

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Absolutely?

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Yeah?

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Good game?

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Huh yeah.

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I didn't watch all of it. I watched the second part,

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but I mean, I'm I went to a Big ten school.

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I went to Illinois, so I found myself cheering for Michigan.

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Illinois also made the final four.

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Actually, so we had two of the four, the four

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squads that were there right exactly.

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We'll tell you. They just Michigan just looks so powerful

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and even in the semis, I mean they just destroyed Arizona.

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It was like they were in a whole another league altogether.

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And the way this team was put together, I mean,

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these were all transports, right, So what does that say

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about the future of college basketball? Yeah, well, I.

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Think a lot of people are actually wondering about the

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sport because of this.

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Now, I don't I.

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Don't personally have a problem with this at all. I mean,

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if you've ever known anyone who's played D one, like,

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the coaches are on a carousel eight right, exactly every

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four years you lose a game, it's over people moving,

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you know, house for sale signs on your long So

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the athletes now have a little bit of that mobility

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as well. You have the transfer portal. I mean, they're

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in practice, they're two or three changes you can make

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in your career.

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You know.

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It definitely does affect the sense of loyalty people feel

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toward their squad if every couple of years there's a

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fifty percent turnover.

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But I don't have a moral problem with that.

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I don't. I don't have an issue with name, image, likeness.

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We're not even getting paid to play games. It's just

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if your image is used on a billboard by a

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local car dealer, as they've been forever, or if you

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you know, one level up, you're you're in a video

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game or something you're going to get a check from that,

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so it takes some getting used to, but I don't

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I'm a capitalist. I don't see any reason these young

481
00:29:41.000 --> 00:29:43.559
athletes shouldn't be compensated if you're the you know, the

482
00:29:43.640 --> 00:29:47.119
NC doubleau, you know, title winning quarterback or something like that.

483
00:29:47.720 --> 00:29:50.079
Yeah. Yeah, I think a little bit is this because

484
00:29:50.119 --> 00:29:52.359
it's we're in the transition of it. It's still a

485
00:29:52.400 --> 00:29:55.200
little new and fresh. But I believe it'll even its

486
00:29:55.319 --> 00:29:59.519
way out. And uh, and I've been for protecting these athletes.

487
00:29:59.559 --> 00:30:01.400
I mean they put a lot on the line. I

488
00:30:01.440 --> 00:30:03.880
mean their careers. I mean here they are. They could

489
00:30:04.400 --> 00:30:08.519
have a tough injury in their senior year, junior year

490
00:30:08.559 --> 00:30:10.920
or whatever, and there goes their professional ambitions.

491
00:30:11.000 --> 00:30:11.160
Right.

492
00:30:11.359 --> 00:30:13.039
How many stories do you hear about that?

493
00:30:14.279 --> 00:30:16.039
Yeah, well that was one of the problems with the

494
00:30:16.079 --> 00:30:19.759
old NCAA model, where I mean in football or in

495
00:30:19.799 --> 00:30:22.200
practice in basketball. For most people, I mean, you're going

496
00:30:22.279 --> 00:30:24.640
to be there for a football it's a minimum three years,

497
00:30:24.759 --> 00:30:27.680
usually four years, and you're going to be playing at

498
00:30:28.000 --> 00:30:30.480
a triple A basically a pro level of the game.

499
00:30:31.079 --> 00:30:33.839
So I mean I assume most people's families father will

500
00:30:33.839 --> 00:30:36.079
get insurance on them or something. But if you break

501
00:30:36.119 --> 00:30:39.400
your leg, you know, or rip your hamstring, that that's it.

502
00:30:39.480 --> 00:30:39.519
You.

503
00:30:39.920 --> 00:30:41.480
All that money you would have made in the pros

504
00:30:41.559 --> 00:30:43.960
is gone. So what we're now saying is there is

505
00:30:44.160 --> 00:30:47.400
some compensation that's available for you, and I think eventually

506
00:30:47.440 --> 00:30:49.680
we're going to regulate that at the upper end. Like

507
00:30:49.799 --> 00:30:51.799
Michigan just you have to make fun of them as

508
00:30:51.839 --> 00:30:53.240
a guy from the ALTA. I mean, like they had

509
00:30:53.279 --> 00:30:54.720
player is twenty six, I think.

510
00:30:55.200 --> 00:30:57.759
I mean, they've got guys that are out there with beards.

511
00:30:58.119 --> 00:31:00.119
You know, like at a certain point you have to say,

512
00:31:00.240 --> 00:31:02.599
like I don't know, if you're still a college athlete,

513
00:31:02.599 --> 00:31:04.799
like you have to lock it down at a certain.

514
00:31:04.640 --> 00:31:05.960
Number of years of eligibility.

515
00:31:06.000 --> 00:31:06.319
It's on.

516
00:31:06.440 --> 00:31:08.759
But you know, good for them, and I don't I

517
00:31:08.799 --> 00:31:10.440
don't have any huge problems with this.

518
00:31:10.559 --> 00:31:11.559
Nothing nothing massive.

519
00:31:12.039 --> 00:31:14.440
Yeah. I remember in grade school, we're playing basketball and

520
00:31:14.440 --> 00:31:18.839
we went and played another Catholic school and we were shocked.

521
00:31:18.839 --> 00:31:21.200
I mean we were, you know, seventh eighth graders and

522
00:31:21.240 --> 00:31:23.720
we're playing these guys in their shaven and I'm going,

523
00:31:23.759 --> 00:31:25.359
what's right, you know, what's up with this?

524
00:31:26.319 --> 00:31:26.400
No?

525
00:31:26.519 --> 00:31:28.720
I mean the in the Catholic leagues, in the leagues

526
00:31:28.720 --> 00:31:31.200
that allowed transfers, it can get pretty silly. I mean

527
00:31:31.200 --> 00:31:33.559
in Chicago, it's that way with baseball, where you'll be

528
00:31:33.640 --> 00:31:35.240
standing there at the bat and you know the guy

529
00:31:35.319 --> 00:31:38.559
on the plate as a mustache. You know, we got

530
00:31:38.559 --> 00:31:41.559
a lot of players from the Dominican Republic, the North

531
00:31:41.599 --> 00:31:44.519
of Mexico so on in in those Chicago leagues. And

532
00:31:44.519 --> 00:31:47.359
I mean, you know, this is actually to some extent

533
00:31:47.400 --> 00:31:50.039
a serious problem, and that we don't really track people

534
00:31:50.119 --> 00:31:52.880
from other nations unless we're very unfriendly with them. So

535
00:31:52.960 --> 00:31:54.799
if you come over and you say, well, I think

536
00:31:54.839 --> 00:31:57.240
I'm about fourteen, and you have a birth certificate that's

537
00:31:57.279 --> 00:32:00.319
in that range, you're going to be doing everything that

538
00:32:00.359 --> 00:32:02.559
someone of that age would be doing. Like you're gonna

539
00:32:02.559 --> 00:32:04.519
be going to middle school, you're gonna be playing ball,

540
00:32:04.519 --> 00:32:07.160
you're gonna be dating girls. So I mean, hopefully there's

541
00:32:07.240 --> 00:32:09.559
some procedure in place to find out that you're.

542
00:32:09.400 --> 00:32:10.559
Not actually twenty two.

543
00:32:11.839 --> 00:32:14.039
A quick, very quick story, but like there's a there's

544
00:32:14.079 --> 00:32:16.680
an orphanage actually in the city where I moved to

545
00:32:16.839 --> 00:32:18.839
from Chicago itself, Aurora.

546
00:32:19.160 --> 00:32:20.519
The orphanage is called Moose Heart.

547
00:32:21.039 --> 00:32:23.640
There are enough kids there that they play Illinois Double

548
00:32:23.640 --> 00:32:26.880
A Ball, which is a pretty good league. But we

549
00:32:27.200 --> 00:32:29.279
had questions about some of these orphans when I went

550
00:32:29.319 --> 00:32:31.119
to Aurora East. I mean, like one of them at

551
00:32:31.160 --> 00:32:34.079
one point was from Serbia. One of them was from

552
00:32:34.319 --> 00:32:37.480
the South Sudan or something like that. So you'd get

553
00:32:37.480 --> 00:32:39.160
on the courter, you'd go there to watch your buddies,

554
00:32:39.200 --> 00:32:42.039
and there'd be this seven foot two, you know, Dinka

555
00:32:42.119 --> 00:32:45.119
tribesmen running up and down. And I mean, I assume

556
00:32:45.160 --> 00:32:48.880
there's some kind of like the church that was affiliated

557
00:32:48.920 --> 00:32:51.519
with the Orphanage had a sister church over there or something,

558
00:32:51.720 --> 00:32:53.440
but I never noticed that. I mean, they never brought

559
00:32:53.440 --> 00:32:55.799
in any four ten kids from China. It was always,

560
00:32:56.200 --> 00:32:59.160
you know, you're scouring the orphans and the Masonic Network

561
00:32:59.240 --> 00:33:01.880
or whatever, and this is that's hysterical.

562
00:33:02.039 --> 00:33:05.079
Oh my gosh. Well, you know, and sports has been

563
00:33:05.400 --> 00:33:09.000
in quite an evolutionary process in these recent years, and

564
00:33:09.079 --> 00:33:12.359
now you even have the Olympics saying, okay, we're going

565
00:33:12.440 --> 00:33:15.240
to have men play in men's sports. Women are playing

566
00:33:15.240 --> 00:33:19.279
women's sports. So they finally made that clarification, right.

567
00:33:20.400 --> 00:33:22.039
Yeah, and I think it's about time.

568
00:33:22.119 --> 00:33:25.000
I mean, if you talk to gay rights advocates, which

569
00:33:25.000 --> 00:33:26.880
I don't do all that often, but I've seen them

570
00:33:26.920 --> 00:33:29.319
interviewed on television and so on. I mean they'll say, well,

571
00:33:29.359 --> 00:33:37.119
they've only been two MTF transgender Olympians and only one

572
00:33:37.160 --> 00:33:38.000
of them is a champion.

573
00:33:38.039 --> 00:33:39.440
I believe those are the correct figures.

574
00:33:39.759 --> 00:33:41.400
But at the same time, this has only been an

575
00:33:41.440 --> 00:33:45.119
issue for probably two or three Olympic cycles, and I mean,

576
00:33:45.160 --> 00:33:48.279
you're now getting that generation of kids coming out of

577
00:33:48.319 --> 00:33:51.200
high school in college who've been told this for years.

578
00:33:51.640 --> 00:33:54.200
There's actually a site called he Cheated dot Com. I'll

579
00:33:54.200 --> 00:33:57.039
shout out to a friend's website, but where they have

580
00:33:57.119 --> 00:33:57.799
they're actually a couple.

581
00:33:57.839 --> 00:33:58.960
There's he Cheated dot Com.

582
00:33:59.000 --> 00:33:59.960
There's boys versus women.

583
00:34:01.000 --> 00:34:05.400
But they're breaking down the total number of high school

584
00:34:05.519 --> 00:34:09.280
and collegiate championships won by trans athletes, and it's in

585
00:34:09.360 --> 00:34:12.079
the thirty I mean it's a large number, something.

586
00:34:11.840 --> 00:34:15.239
Like I think it was over like nine hundred awards,

587
00:34:15.280 --> 00:34:18.519
scholarships and everything that have been given to a trans

588
00:34:18.559 --> 00:34:23.920
individual at the expense of a woman athlete. And you know,

589
00:34:23.960 --> 00:34:26.199
and it's kind of interesting because this all is on

590
00:34:26.239 --> 00:34:27.440
the heels of title nine.

591
00:34:27.559 --> 00:34:30.159
Will Yeah, no, that's correct.

592
00:34:30.159 --> 00:34:35.079
It's a nine hundred sum pop prizes, slots on teams,

593
00:34:35.159 --> 00:34:38.039
varsity teams Olympic slots that have been taken from women.

594
00:34:38.519 --> 00:34:41.280
The number of just full on total champions that are

595
00:34:41.400 --> 00:34:44.199
men that are winning these awards is it's in the dozens.

596
00:34:44.920 --> 00:34:47.480
And yeah, I mean the Title nine thing is actually

597
00:34:47.519 --> 00:34:52.199
an issue of legal interpretation, where the question is Title

598
00:34:52.320 --> 00:34:56.480
nine absolutely protects equality of athletics and of other things.

599
00:34:56.480 --> 00:35:01.320
You can't sexually harass across men and women. The Supreme Court,

600
00:35:01.320 --> 00:35:05.119
and embarrassingly a fairly conservative Supreme Court, read that to

601
00:35:05.280 --> 00:35:09.280
mean that sexual orientation and gender identity are also protected,

602
00:35:09.760 --> 00:35:12.960
so you can't discriminate against someone who says they're trands

603
00:35:12.960 --> 00:35:14.000
who wants to play ball.

604
00:35:14.519 --> 00:35:15.440
And what that means in.

605
00:35:15.400 --> 00:35:18.199
Practice is that the meaning of Title nine has shifted

606
00:35:18.199 --> 00:35:20.719
because you originally you've got a men's team, Now you

607
00:35:20.760 --> 00:35:22.800
have to give the women's team ninety five percent. There's

608
00:35:22.880 --> 00:35:25.639
much money. I'm not an expert in this field of law,

609
00:35:25.920 --> 00:35:28.800
but most people kind of support that. But if you're

610
00:35:29.199 --> 00:35:32.559
basically if you're counting woman to mean man, there is

611
00:35:32.679 --> 00:35:35.840
nothing independent that women still have. And I think this

612
00:35:35.920 --> 00:35:38.119
is one of the things that made turf feminists freak

613
00:35:38.119 --> 00:35:40.679
out so much about the trans movement. Once you make

614
00:35:40.719 --> 00:35:43.960
that interpretation, there's a very good argument for letting trans

615
00:35:44.000 --> 00:35:47.719
women who are just guys into prisons showers, so on.

616
00:35:48.400 --> 00:35:53.039
Right, And they've done that and it didn't fare well because,

617
00:35:53.800 --> 00:35:56.960
oh my goodness, you know, the natural instincts of a

618
00:35:57.159 --> 00:36:00.840
man takes ober, even though he may say, you know,

619
00:36:00.880 --> 00:36:01.760
I feel like a woman.

620
00:36:03.079 --> 00:36:05.599
Oh yeah, I mean I got mobbed for saying this

621
00:36:05.719 --> 00:36:08.280
on Twitter. But I mean, like going to a women's

622
00:36:08.320 --> 00:36:12.039
prison by mistake is like a nineteen seventies Beach Blanket

623
00:36:12.039 --> 00:36:14.239
comedy movie. I mean, like, you know what's gonna happen.

624
00:36:14.719 --> 00:36:16.320
You know, there are these people that have been, I

625
00:36:16.400 --> 00:36:19.400
assume by their standing sexually deprived for a long period

626
00:36:19.440 --> 00:36:22.719
of time. They're female criminals. You suddenly come in and

627
00:36:22.960 --> 00:36:24.800
I mean it would be like Burt Reynolds with a

628
00:36:24.840 --> 00:36:25.320
wig on it.

629
00:36:25.400 --> 00:36:28.880
There'd be some reason it happened. But in reality, we've.

630
00:36:28.679 --> 00:36:32.119
Now been taking this from the zone of comedy plots

631
00:36:32.119 --> 00:36:37.199
into all too real reality. I mean, there have been again,

632
00:36:37.320 --> 00:36:41.079
dozens of these trans inmates reducts. The magazine does some

633
00:36:41.119 --> 00:36:42.679
good work on this, but that have gone to women's

634
00:36:42.760 --> 00:36:45.639
jails and exactly what you'd expect has happened. There have

635
00:36:45.679 --> 00:36:47.880
been a few rapes. There's been a lot of consensual sex.

636
00:36:47.920 --> 00:36:51.079
There have been pregnancies people, one of them seduced to guard.

637
00:36:51.440 --> 00:36:55.599
The guards are of course also female. So and a

638
00:36:55.639 --> 00:36:58.039
part of this is what I call prison on set

639
00:36:58.159 --> 00:37:02.559
gender dysphoria, where people who've never previously shown any interest

640
00:37:02.599 --> 00:37:06.320
in being trans, gang shooters and so on, suddenly are

641
00:37:06.639 --> 00:37:08.880
talking in these high pitched voices and saying, well, I've

642
00:37:08.920 --> 00:37:12.239
always been a girl, and you know you if if

643
00:37:12.280 --> 00:37:15.480
you believe this idiocy, it makes perfect sense if you

644
00:37:15.639 --> 00:37:17.840
cling to the kind of more traditional model of how

645
00:37:17.920 --> 00:37:18.519
humans work.

646
00:37:18.719 --> 00:37:21.199
It's also obvious what's going on, but very different.

647
00:37:21.440 --> 00:37:23.559
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doctor Wilfrid Riley and the Kshare Professor of Political Science,

713
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Well Will. It was quite a weekend, the Eastern weekend,

714
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lots to celebrate about. I woke up with the news

715
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that we found the airmen, and I mean it's really

716
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I mean, the parallel is uncanny. You know, Friday, he

717
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ends up, he climbs up some seven thousand miles out

718
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there in this deserted place in Iran, seven thousand miles.

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720
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he's able to be liberated on Easter Sunday.

721
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Yeah, it's an incredibly moving story. I mean, yeah, the

722
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religious parallel is there for anyone who's raised in the

723
00:41:24.360 --> 00:41:28.039
Western tradition. I mean, he goes down on Friday, there's

724
00:41:28.079 --> 00:41:29.360
a very good chance he's dead.

725
00:41:30.519 --> 00:41:31.800
The thing's an incredible story.

726
00:41:31.840 --> 00:41:35.920
Actually, he walked something like one hundred miles to get

727
00:41:35.960 --> 00:41:38.639
to a better location, which was in the sort of

728
00:41:38.639 --> 00:41:41.199
mountainous area and yeah, he was in a cave. There

729
00:41:41.199 --> 00:41:43.840
are rocks and rubble by the door. He actually sent

730
00:41:43.920 --> 00:41:47.239
out the message God is good and then on Sunday

731
00:41:47.280 --> 00:41:49.360
he kind of saw his people coming to get him.

732
00:41:49.400 --> 00:41:52.119
It's actually very moving, and I mean the US Special

733
00:41:52.159 --> 00:41:55.000
Forces did an incredible job here. I mean they basically

734
00:41:55.039 --> 00:41:58.079
built a primitive but real airfield out there. They were

735
00:41:58.360 --> 00:42:03.199
flattening the ground. They came in multiple planes in all probability.

736
00:42:03.199 --> 00:42:05.280
The Iranian shot down some of the planes were saying

737
00:42:05.280 --> 00:42:07.119
that there was some kind of problem with them, but

738
00:42:07.400 --> 00:42:09.559
some of the planes were damaged. Some of the planes

739
00:42:09.599 --> 00:42:11.719
were blown up there so that the enemy couldn't look

740
00:42:11.719 --> 00:42:15.480
at their technology. We brought in more planes from where

741
00:42:15.519 --> 00:42:18.679
God only knows, and we got the guy on the

742
00:42:18.679 --> 00:42:21.360
plane that all the crews of the other aircraft were

743
00:42:21.360 --> 00:42:23.480
picked up, and yeah, they left.

744
00:42:23.519 --> 00:42:26.320
It was an incredible response.

745
00:42:26.519 --> 00:42:30.719
And it actually it illustrates the power of the United States.

746
00:42:30.760 --> 00:42:34.840
Like the main thing holding us back is people within

747
00:42:34.880 --> 00:42:38.519
our own society that don't want American success. To some extent,

748
00:42:38.559 --> 00:42:41.119
there are no other countries in the world that could

749
00:42:41.159 --> 00:42:45.320
travel to Persia, to a major enemy state that's a

750
00:42:45.320 --> 00:42:48.519
step away from being a nuclear power, build an air base,

751
00:42:49.039 --> 00:42:52.039
fight the best people in the other side's army, take

752
00:42:52.199 --> 00:42:55.280
everybody that came on, all these multiple crews to the

753
00:42:55.320 --> 00:42:57.519
air base, load them on board planes, and get out

754
00:42:57.559 --> 00:43:00.199
without anyone dying. So, I mean, that's what America has

755
00:43:00.239 --> 00:43:04.000
the capacity to do and to be when not interfered

756
00:43:04.000 --> 00:43:05.639
with SEAH. It was an incredibly moving.

757
00:43:05.960 --> 00:43:09.159
Well in the demonstration of the team, the effectiveness of

758
00:43:09.199 --> 00:43:11.760
the military if you want to say the industrial complex,

759
00:43:12.000 --> 00:43:16.159
however way you want to align it, but clearly Trump's

760
00:43:16.159 --> 00:43:23.239
military organization is just unbelievable. With General Kine and of

761
00:43:23.239 --> 00:43:25.920
course Secretary of War Pete Hegseth.

762
00:43:27.079 --> 00:43:28.480
No, they did an excellent job.

763
00:43:28.519 --> 00:43:30.679
I personally I've enjoyed Hegseth in that job.

764
00:43:30.679 --> 00:43:35.000
He's very funny in sort of a more polished version

765
00:43:35.000 --> 00:43:36.679
of the way Trump is actually. But I mean I

766
00:43:36.719 --> 00:43:39.760
listened to his press conference on the Iranian navy. As

767
00:43:39.800 --> 00:43:42.480
part of the war, we destroyed Iran's entire navy. So

768
00:43:42.599 --> 00:43:45.639
if you go to the Wikipedia page on the Iranian Navy,

769
00:43:46.199 --> 00:43:48.159
they all the numbers have been changed. I think we

770
00:43:48.199 --> 00:43:49.800
talked about this once, but it was originally like they

771
00:43:49.800 --> 00:43:52.199
had twenty six light frigates or something, and now it's

772
00:43:52.519 --> 00:43:56.039
zero and Hexth was talking about this, and he said, well,

773
00:43:56.119 --> 00:43:58.199
we are willing to share the ocean with the enemy.

774
00:43:58.239 --> 00:44:03.039
They can have the bottom half. He's done a lot

775
00:44:03.039 --> 00:44:05.599
of reading of Churchill and Kipling and so on, you

776
00:44:05.639 --> 00:44:08.480
can tell. And he's got these stock phrases ready.

777
00:44:08.840 --> 00:44:10.079
He's a former soldier himself.

778
00:44:10.119 --> 00:44:11.880
He's a light bird colonel, so he's got all these

779
00:44:11.880 --> 00:44:14.840
tattoos and scars from the war. He's got the word

780
00:44:14.880 --> 00:44:18.119
for infidel in Arabic tattooed on his arm. So I mean,

781
00:44:18.119 --> 00:44:19.920
it's kind of the sort of guy you want as

782
00:44:19.920 --> 00:44:22.480
a general or as a sec def And there's.

783
00:44:22.320 --> 00:44:23.280
A lot of hostility.

784
00:44:23.320 --> 00:44:24.320
I will say this last thing.

785
00:44:24.360 --> 00:44:26.480
There's a lot of hostility to that from people that

786
00:44:26.599 --> 00:44:28.679
kind of backed what he had before, which was, for example,

787
00:44:28.960 --> 00:44:32.559
Lloyd Austin, a decent military man, but very much in

788
00:44:32.639 --> 00:44:36.639
the tradition of sort of THEI focused bureaucratic. He came

789
00:44:36.639 --> 00:44:38.559
from the paper moving side of it, at least the

790
00:44:38.639 --> 00:44:40.960
last ten years of his career. So I would assume

791
00:44:41.000 --> 00:44:43.079
the troops really like hag Seth. You have a guy

792
00:44:43.119 --> 00:44:45.239
back in there lifting weights with them, along with JD.

793
00:44:45.320 --> 00:44:49.000
Man's kind of giving rousing speeches before the battle, given

794
00:44:49.039 --> 00:44:50.760
a lobster tales if they have to go to war.

795
00:44:50.960 --> 00:44:52.920
So I enjoy that personally.

796
00:44:52.920 --> 00:44:54.960
Well, and I think that again, you get back to

797
00:44:55.480 --> 00:45:00.199
why you have you know, warriors, and warriors need to

798
00:45:00.360 --> 00:45:03.480
hold to that ethos and be supported, you know, by

799
00:45:03.480 --> 00:45:06.920
an administration that says, yes, okay, look at we're gonna

800
00:45:06.920 --> 00:45:08.800
train you, we're gonna give you everything you need that

801
00:45:08.920 --> 00:45:11.119
when we put you on the battlefield, you're gonna go

802
00:45:11.159 --> 00:45:14.039
out there and destroy stuff. And we need you to

803
00:45:14.039 --> 00:45:17.039
go out there and you know, pillage do everything you

804
00:45:17.079 --> 00:45:21.760
need to do legally, because what's happened is diplomacy has

805
00:45:21.800 --> 00:45:25.000
broken down and we need to encourage diplomacy, and the

806
00:45:25.039 --> 00:45:27.000
best way to do that is go out there and

807
00:45:27.119 --> 00:45:29.199
kick some butt on the battlefield, right, I don't know

808
00:45:29.239 --> 00:45:29.880
any other way.

809
00:45:31.400 --> 00:45:34.039
Yeah, I mean, I think that's that's correct.

810
00:45:34.119 --> 00:45:39.119
Because violence is generally thought of as bad in the

811
00:45:39.159 --> 00:45:41.519
context of an argument with your wife or something like that.

812
00:45:41.599 --> 00:45:44.880
There's a tension in civilized societies with the idea that

813
00:45:45.400 --> 00:45:50.360
violence against certain categories of people, of criminals, enemies in war,

814
00:45:51.079 --> 00:45:54.239
even the large animals that can defend themselves is very good.

815
00:45:54.639 --> 00:45:56.960
That's what war fighting is, that's what hunting is.

816
00:45:57.079 --> 00:45:57.400
So on.

817
00:45:57.880 --> 00:45:59.519
So there tend to be two perspectives.

818
00:45:59.559 --> 00:46:01.679
One is what you just said verbto, which is the

819
00:46:01.679 --> 00:46:05.159
military exists to kill people and break things. We should

820
00:46:05.199 --> 00:46:07.079
honor that role, and we should put the people in

821
00:46:07.119 --> 00:46:09.360
place that are best at it, and that then, of

822
00:46:09.400 --> 00:46:12.000
course can stop it, meditate or prey, come back home,

823
00:46:12.039 --> 00:46:14.559
be normal. But you want people that enjoy that role.

824
00:46:14.599 --> 00:46:17.000
And that's the view I take of the military. The

825
00:46:17.119 --> 00:46:19.840
other view is sort of that the military is an

826
00:46:19.840 --> 00:46:23.360
embarrassing holdover from a past era and it ought to

827
00:46:23.400 --> 00:46:26.320
be judged by kind of the most scrupulous civil rules,

828
00:46:26.320 --> 00:46:29.400
and I don't think that works, and you see a

829
00:46:29.440 --> 00:46:32.000
lot of that in the High West. Other than America,

830
00:46:32.360 --> 00:46:39.119
Australia today is pursuing war crimes investigations against their best

831
00:46:39.159 --> 00:46:42.400
soldier fought in the war on tear with US charge

832
00:46:42.400 --> 00:46:44.800
two machine gun nests with a knife.

833
00:46:45.360 --> 00:46:46.400
Killed a number of people.

834
00:46:46.719 --> 00:46:49.880
But they're asking things like did he refuse one surrender

835
00:46:49.920 --> 00:46:53.639
of a Taliban fighter? We got this tip from the Taliban,

836
00:46:53.679 --> 00:46:55.639
and I think maybe if the Taliban calls you and

837
00:46:55.679 --> 00:46:58.480
starts criticizing your best sergeants, you just hang up the phone.

838
00:46:58.679 --> 00:47:02.960
So there's this in society about how to how to

839
00:47:02.960 --> 00:47:05.199
handle these issues, and I'm on the Hegsath side. I

840
00:47:05.280 --> 00:47:07.599
think I'm on the Trump side for that matter. You know,

841
00:47:08.000 --> 00:47:10.360
I think that's saying, like, we would have preferred to

842
00:47:10.360 --> 00:47:12.320
avoid a war, but if there is a war, we're

843
00:47:12.320 --> 00:47:14.719
going to fight a major opponent like Persia or Russia

844
00:47:14.719 --> 00:47:16.920
with the intent of destroying them, winning the war, killing people.

845
00:47:17.199 --> 00:47:19.440
That's that's the attitude you have to take into a

846
00:47:19.480 --> 00:47:20.360
military conflict.

847
00:47:20.840 --> 00:47:23.440
Yeah, without a doubt. And the thing is is that,

848
00:47:23.800 --> 00:47:27.280
like you said, that other option, We've tried that for

849
00:47:27.280 --> 00:47:30.480
forty seven years with Iran, and Iran is saying, look

850
00:47:30.480 --> 00:47:33.320
at you know, we want death to America. And so

851
00:47:33.480 --> 00:47:36.320
we've had presidents that have kowtowed to it, send them

852
00:47:36.400 --> 00:47:39.000
billions of dollars. And what did they do. They had

853
00:47:39.159 --> 00:47:41.880
a plan and a mission to destroy America and to

854
00:47:41.920 --> 00:47:44.400
take over the world. They took all that money and

855
00:47:44.519 --> 00:47:48.800
invested it in terrorist attacks and in a terrorist organizations.

856
00:47:49.199 --> 00:47:52.960
I mean to me, it's that obvious. So so here

857
00:47:53.000 --> 00:47:55.199
you are and then we have, you know, a group

858
00:47:55.239 --> 00:47:58.199
of people, even elected officials, because they hate Trump, and

859
00:47:58.320 --> 00:48:02.239
I question, you know, their loyalty towards America itself, are

860
00:48:02.280 --> 00:48:07.599
doing everything they can to you know, disparage our military

861
00:48:08.079 --> 00:48:11.639
and even you know, declare that somehow it's illegal, you know,

862
00:48:11.800 --> 00:48:15.199
and they say it without any kind of accountability. Nobody

863
00:48:15.239 --> 00:48:19.840
questions illegal based on what I mean, that's already been adjudicated.

864
00:48:20.039 --> 00:48:22.960
You know, they you know, raised that argument up and

865
00:48:23.239 --> 00:48:26.199
you know, the court slammed it down. You know, Trump

866
00:48:26.199 --> 00:48:30.159
has the capacity, and there's been other presidents before that

867
00:48:30.239 --> 00:48:32.280
have done this and defended our interest.

868
00:48:33.840 --> 00:48:35.039
Yeah, I think there's a lot there.

869
00:48:35.079 --> 00:48:37.679
So first of all, obviously, I think the president does

870
00:48:37.760 --> 00:48:40.800
have the capability to commit troops without a formal declaration

871
00:48:40.880 --> 00:48:43.960
of war. I mean that's been done over and over

872
00:48:44.039 --> 00:48:47.239
and over again, and Clinton launched strikes into Somalia and

873
00:48:47.280 --> 00:48:51.159
Sudan with full air force crews. Bush obviously started I

874
00:48:51.199 --> 00:48:52.079
would call it a war.

875
00:48:52.119 --> 00:48:54.119
I mean, it was the Iraq or went on for

876
00:48:54.480 --> 00:48:55.679
eight plus years.

877
00:48:55.960 --> 00:48:57.559
So I mean, I think if we were to find

878
00:48:57.599 --> 00:49:00.000
out now that presidents can't do this, that'd be an

879
00:49:00.079 --> 00:49:02.119
a heck of a change, you know.

880
00:49:02.639 --> 00:49:05.239
But I think that this is something that we see.

881
00:49:05.119 --> 00:49:09.159
Very broadly in general, which is the misapplication on the

882
00:49:09.239 --> 00:49:13.679
left of these terms like genocide, war crime, even sexual assault,

883
00:49:14.239 --> 00:49:18.320
racism to cover almost everything. So I mean Trump said,

884
00:49:18.400 --> 00:49:20.400
and again there's a question of you know, should Trump

885
00:49:20.679 --> 00:49:23.880
should someone take his phone after eight pm daily? I

886
00:49:23.880 --> 00:49:27.000
think that's a legitimate question. But Trump said, okay, if

887
00:49:27.039 --> 00:49:28.960
we're going to talk about war plans, tomorrow is going

888
00:49:29.039 --> 00:49:31.760
to be bridge and infrastructure day in Iran. We're going

889
00:49:31.840 --> 00:49:34.480
to target these major power plants that are powering army

890
00:49:34.519 --> 00:49:38.639
bases and this kind of thing. And people immediately started squalling.

891
00:49:38.920 --> 00:49:43.400
This is a war crime because purely civilian infrastructure isn't

892
00:49:43.440 --> 00:49:46.639
supposed to be targeted during a war. But the road

893
00:49:46.719 --> 00:49:49.559
that an army's marching on or the power plant that

894
00:49:49.599 --> 00:49:54.480
supplies an IRGC base isn't purely civilian infrastructure. This again,

895
00:49:54.559 --> 00:49:56.920
like can the president move troops, is something that would

896
00:49:56.960 --> 00:49:59.840
take a couple of days maybe to resolve in court.

897
00:50:00.119 --> 00:50:01.800
Not a serious issue.

898
00:50:01.440 --> 00:50:05.079
The problem is what you said, which is this block

899
00:50:05.119 --> 00:50:07.559
of people in the USA that don't seem to much

900
00:50:07.679 --> 00:50:09.920
like the USA, that are going to throw up all

901
00:50:09.960 --> 00:50:14.320
this chaff anytime someone tries to actually do anything exactly.

902
00:50:15.400 --> 00:50:18.559
This is something foreign leaders are very aware of. By

903
00:50:18.599 --> 00:50:21.360
the way, if you go to Hanoi Ho Chi Minh

904
00:50:21.440 --> 00:50:24.440
city in Vietnam. There's a display on the war and

905
00:50:24.440 --> 00:50:26.800
some of it's just interesting, the weapons used by either side,

906
00:50:26.840 --> 00:50:28.440
so on. I've had multiple friends look at this while

907
00:50:28.480 --> 00:50:31.719
they were there. But one part that's irritated everyone I

908
00:50:31.840 --> 00:50:34.599
know and gotten some pictures taken of it is a

909
00:50:34.679 --> 00:50:39.000
discussion of the role the US interior left played in

910
00:50:39.239 --> 00:50:42.480
the defeat of the USA or the negotiated sort of

911
00:50:42.559 --> 00:50:45.119
tie we had with the North Vietnamese. And I mean

912
00:50:45.159 --> 00:50:47.519
you see pictures of people marching in the street and

913
00:50:47.599 --> 00:50:50.400
chanting in a Ho Ho Ho Chi Minh, the title

914
00:50:50.400 --> 00:50:52.679
of the city, and so on, and it and at

915
00:50:52.719 --> 00:50:57.119
some level viscerally disgusting that foreign generals know this, that

916
00:50:57.159 --> 00:50:59.960
there's something they can rely on when they fight the USA,

917
00:51:00.280 --> 00:51:02.440
which is the fact that ten percent or whatever of

918
00:51:02.480 --> 00:51:05.480
our own population dislikes the country. So a bit of

919
00:51:05.559 --> 00:51:07.639
rambling there, but that's something that's gone on for a while.

920
00:51:08.360 --> 00:51:10.639
I don't think it has much impact on real law,

921
00:51:10.719 --> 00:51:13.239
but it has a lot of impact on our actual strategy.

922
00:51:13.119 --> 00:51:15.800
Yeah, without a doubt. And it influences votes, and we

923
00:51:15.840 --> 00:51:18.840
got a midterm coming up, and you know, God only

924
00:51:18.880 --> 00:51:23.119
knows all the fake news and everything that's been put

925
00:51:23.119 --> 00:51:25.199
out there by the mainstream media. We got about a

926
00:51:25.199 --> 00:51:30.679
minute left. You mentioned with Hexseth his awareness of Winston Churchill.

927
00:51:30.880 --> 00:51:35.039
Good movie out right now called a Great Awakening that

928
00:51:35.159 --> 00:51:40.639
involves Winston Churchill and George Whitfield and the Great Awakening

929
00:51:40.679 --> 00:51:45.480
that led to the American Revolution, and how in a

930
00:51:45.480 --> 00:51:49.360
critical part in the movie is how Benjamin Franklin, when

931
00:51:50.400 --> 00:51:55.039
you know, the colonists were right on the border of disassembling, right,

932
00:51:55.440 --> 00:51:58.320
and it was unraveling, and he says, hey, look at

933
00:51:59.000 --> 00:51:59.920
maybe we should pray.

934
00:52:02.719 --> 00:52:05.440
I think that's always good advice. But yes, I mean,

935
00:52:05.559 --> 00:52:08.440
I think hag Seth is very aware of the American

936
00:52:08.559 --> 00:52:12.480
military and historical tradition, and I think that's a good

937
00:52:12.559 --> 00:52:15.320
thing in a secretary of Defense. You know, over the

938
00:52:15.360 --> 00:52:17.800
next couple of days or weeks he'll get a you know,

939
00:52:18.039 --> 00:52:19.400
for good or ill more chance to.

940
00:52:19.440 --> 00:52:20.199
Use that knowledge.

941
00:52:20.199 --> 00:52:22.519
But I think you'll think you'll use it reasonably well

942
00:52:22.599 --> 00:52:24.639
and hopefully smoke a Churchillian cigar.

943
00:52:25.239 --> 00:52:27.239
That would be my post Easter prediction.

944
00:52:27.719 --> 00:52:30.079
Well, you got it. Maybe we'll join him well even

945
00:52:30.119 --> 00:52:33.880
by Kerison, Doctor Wilfrid Riley, Professor of Political Science at

946
00:52:33.920 --> 00:52:36.199
Kentucky State University, the author of Taboo t in Fact

947
00:52:36.280 --> 00:52:39.119
you can't talk about and Live's my liberal teacher taught me,

948
00:52:39.760 --> 00:52:41.800
Doctor Wilfrid Riley. Thank you will appreciate it.

949
00:52:41.840 --> 00:52:43.480
Take care, Thanks Bill.

950
00:52:47.320 --> 00:52:47.519
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much it's potentially worth.

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I'm doing well? Bill?

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Hey, all is well? I think things considered. I mean,

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we're getting down to tax stage just around the corner.

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Lots of good news, lots of great stories in spite

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of all the negativity that the Democrats want to bathe

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this in right now? What is it with them? Are

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they just are they in need of medication or something

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or maybe a hug.

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Well, I'm find from polling that if you ask the

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American people, maybe.

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What do you think about the tax cut?

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And okay, if you say to them there was going

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to be a four trillion dollar tax increase over the

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next decade if the Republican bill had not passed, then

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people go, oh, my goodness, I'm so glad we did that.

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It's very interesting.

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It's a psychiatrists tell you the same thing that the

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idea that that there's a tiger coming into your room

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scares you more than there's a million dollars downstairs if

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you go get it, because you don't really believe good news,

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and good news can wait. But the tiger coming in

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or the tax increa that they believe more than the

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tax cut. Now they're both true, but it does matter

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how you phrase it, and so Republicans need to in

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talking about it, remind everyone had we done nothing, had

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if Trump had not won the election. Kamali Harris said

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she wanted to see the entire tax cut undone. Okay,

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that meant the corporate rate at twenty one, which puts

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US in the middle of Europe, not all that good,

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but better and where we were would put it back

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up to thirty five higher than China at fifteen higher

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than Europe in the low teens early twenties. That would

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have made us very uncompetitive. Would have taken everybody who

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pays taxes and their income tax rate would go up

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because everyone's income tax rates were cut by the Republican

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bill and all were made permanent by the Republican bill.

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The death tax would have snapped back down so that

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more and more Americans, farmers, people who on land have

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a four oh one k have a house, would be

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paying the corporate income tax instead of fewer people paying

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I'm sorry the death tax.

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The death tax, the.

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Expensing for that reduces the cost when a business invests

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in getting you a better truck to work with, a

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better car, a better piece of machinery, a better bar

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in a restaurant, all of that kind of investment which

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makes everybody more productive. That used to be taxed heavily

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than under the Republican plan. You didn't tax you don't

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want to discourage it.

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That would have gone back to being taxed.

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All of the disaster didn't happen, and the good thing

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not only happened for the next five years, the next

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ten years.

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It is permittent into law.

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The Democrats would have to have the House, the Senate,

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and the Presidency and the guts to face Americans to

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say we are taking this away from you, And I

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don't think they'll have that ever.

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Do you think that, you know, speaking of your analogy

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of the threat potentially downstairs, if the Democrats are able

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to convince America that they should be back in power

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and take over at the midterms, is there some sort

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of en run or some sort of additional tax or

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you know, you know, the Democrats can't help themselves. It's

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so much in their DNA. They're going to find a

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way to, you know, come after our money.

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Oh absolutely.

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Look, they the first thing they'll do is start with

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a so called wealth tax. If they got the House

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and the Senate and the pressure you have if you

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own the House and the Senate. Republicans got Bill Clinton

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to sign a lot of stuff when he was president.

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Not everything we wanted, but a could deal because you say,

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welcome's the president. This thing over here that's important to you.

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It goes away unless we get the rest of the budget.

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And the Republicans don't do this, but the Democrats do.

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They'll say, you know, the Defense Department, you will is important.

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We don't have to fund that. We don't have to

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put it. The money for training to keep our pilots

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up to speed and safe. We'll just cut that back

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and the Democrats will get national defense if they don't

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get the other spending, which is how they've gotten some

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of the spending. Even when Republicans have one or both

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of the houses, they can say no, I can't, and

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they say, well, okay, since we don't care about national defense,

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we just assume not funded anyway. The Democrats say, so,

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we won't unless you give us something. So you end

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up paying twice for everything that in the Defense Department.

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Once because you buy it. Second time because it is

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the government, will be more expensive than it should be.

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And the third time you have to pay the Democrats

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off to get it in the first place. So it

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makes defense, national offense more expensive than it needs to be.

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And you think about what they've done in terms of

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putting our defense in jeopardy time and again, because this

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has been their pattern. And you know here we are,

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I mean Donald Trump. One of the first things he

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did this time around was put a focus on the military,

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not only psychologically but in you know, physical you know,

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physical armaments, right.

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Yeah, Look, it's in the history. The reason China is

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a communist country and the only free part of it

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is Taiwan, is that Truman didn't care that the Soviets

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and with their communist allies were taking over China and

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allowed them to. There was a debate who lost China.

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It's pretty obvious who lost. The guys who, with very

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00:59:32.519 --> 00:59:36.880
little effort could have stopped that from happening chose not to.

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And there were propagandists in the New York Times and

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00:59:39.519 --> 00:59:41.800
other places saying, oh, they're just a growing reformers. And

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00:59:41.840 --> 00:59:45.320
then sixty million people get killed. Same thing happened in Cuba,

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00:59:45.880 --> 00:59:50.119
where the Pidel Katstra was a Communist, clearly, but the

1085
00:59:50.119 --> 00:59:52.599
New York Times had always not it's okay, you shouldn't

1086
00:59:52.760 --> 00:59:55.320
mind if he takes over the government. Well he took

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it over and made it a Soviet client state again

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00:59:59.239 --> 01:00:00.000
and again and again.

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What a wonderful track record here, Rover that they've had.

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01:00:03.199 --> 01:00:06.360
And they still continue to celebrate with their cocktail parties

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in the DC beldwegh and think they're all that in

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a bag of chips.

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Right, Yes, there was a very prominent reporter who got

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the Pulitzer Prize, never given back. He got the Pulitzer

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Prize for covering the Stalin trials of his opponents, where

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he had them all murdered, going, oh, those are fair trials,

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and also saying that the Soviet the communist effort to

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destroy Ukraine by having a forced them and which killed

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about five six million people.

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01:00:39.480 --> 01:00:41.639
Who knows over there, but millions and millions.

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01:00:41.960 --> 01:00:43.760
Yes, And he.

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Came right back, Oh no, that's all nonsense, that's not true.

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01:00:47.480 --> 01:00:50.199
So the New York Times got a Pulitzer Prize for

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01:00:50.400 --> 01:00:54.199
lying about a holocaust five six million people and the

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01:00:54.199 --> 01:00:58.920
mass murders in the Soviet Union in general, and they

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01:00:58.960 --> 01:01:01.840
never gave it back or talked about isn't that embarrassing?

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01:01:02.280 --> 01:01:04.360
We don't want to be associated with that guy anymore?

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Very sad.

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Well, what they do is they have this inability to

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embrace amnesia conveniently, and they just hope the rest of

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01:01:15.800 --> 01:01:18.719
America does the same. And of course then you've got,

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you know, the circling of the wagons of the media,

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because it's all part of the fraternity, isn't it. So

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they got to protect each other. And meanwhile there's no

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consequence and the people are have been propagandized and they

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don't even know it.

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We do have a challenge where the establishment of people

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who get government jobs and pay themselves very well, and

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you get the job by going to the right school

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and being the right person, and the son or daughter

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all these depot jobs of where and more and more people,

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and then they become friends and they know each other

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and nobody in the you know, the Washington Post editorial

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page is actually quite pre market and and pro American.

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That changed because the gentleman who runs Amazon bought it

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and he said, we're going to have a free market

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at tour page. The newspaper part of it, the news

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side of it reads like an editorial page from some

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left wing publication. It's all about left wing stuff, pretending

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it's a newspaper article. And they would never criticize and

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don't a Democrat president if fraud has found that it

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didn't happen. But they see endlessly criticized Trump and the

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Republicans because part of it is Trump and the Republicans

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have been finding fraud in things that a normal newspaper,

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a real newspaper would have found themselves exactly farrassing to them.

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Gotta go to quick break. We got more from Grover

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on the other side. Stay with us.

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Hey, welcome back Bill Martinez here with Grobert Norquis from

1230
01:07:53.800 --> 01:07:57.599
Americans for tax reform, Grobert. You know, the thing is

1231
01:07:57.639 --> 01:08:00.599
you look at what's happening, you know in the particularly

1232
01:08:00.599 --> 01:08:04.719
Blue states, whether it's California and New York and of

1233
01:08:04.760 --> 01:08:06.800
course in Minneapolis. I mean, all this fraud. You and

1234
01:08:06.880 --> 01:08:10.320
I talked about this last time, that the somalis especially,

1235
01:08:10.360 --> 01:08:12.440
but I think this is just such the tip tip

1236
01:08:12.480 --> 01:08:16.119
tip tip of the iceberg that they have. They have

1237
01:08:16.199 --> 01:08:19.560
seen the vulnerability of our government and they've come in

1238
01:08:19.720 --> 01:08:25.000
and just executed fraud on a on a franchiseable scale.

1239
01:08:25.760 --> 01:08:30.359
I mean, it's just amazing that and and there's little interest,

1240
01:08:30.399 --> 01:08:32.960
although the media in the West now some of them

1241
01:08:32.960 --> 01:08:35.600
are starting to report on it because of you know,

1242
01:08:35.760 --> 01:08:38.359
one one podcaster, Nick Shirley, God bless.

1243
01:08:38.119 --> 01:08:43.880
Him, Oh for Heaven's sex. Yes, it's look, the oppress

1244
01:08:44.399 --> 01:08:47.520
has made itself part of the Washington establishment.

1245
01:08:48.039 --> 01:08:48.399
Uh.

1246
01:08:48.439 --> 01:08:51.279
And there's it's it's like Louis the fourteenth Court. You

1247
01:08:51.359 --> 01:08:55.319
have all these aristocrats and then the priests that were

1248
01:08:55.319 --> 01:08:57.680
supposed to be telling him how to behave better. We've

1249
01:08:57.800 --> 01:09:00.279
become part of the team, you know, and so there's

1250
01:09:00.279 --> 01:09:02.960
no criticism back and forth. They're supposed to be a

1251
01:09:03.079 --> 01:09:05.159
check on power, but they're.

1252
01:09:04.680 --> 01:09:07.880
Not well and the thing is is that and you

1253
01:09:07.960 --> 01:09:11.600
hear all these aspiring Democrats, these progresses that are coming on,

1254
01:09:12.039 --> 01:09:14.479
and they feel the winning ticket is that we're going

1255
01:09:14.479 --> 01:09:17.319
to tax the rich. I mean, all these things that

1256
01:09:18.000 --> 01:09:21.760
are counter what's been working. But maybe this, you know,

1257
01:09:21.960 --> 01:09:26.359
the inoculation by Donald Trump hasn't been in effect long

1258
01:09:26.479 --> 01:09:29.960
enough for people to realize the difference. Although, as you say,

1259
01:09:30.000 --> 01:09:32.720
the results of the big beautiful Bill, people are realizing

1260
01:09:32.720 --> 01:09:34.800
it with better tax returns, and you're starting to hear

1261
01:09:34.840 --> 01:09:36.880
some great testimonies about that right.

1262
01:09:37.760 --> 01:09:38.600
Oh. Absolutely.

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01:09:38.640 --> 01:09:43.720
On the fifteenth of April, on Tax Day, Americans for

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01:09:43.760 --> 01:09:46.439
Tax Forum is going to be having a press conference.

1265
01:09:46.680 --> 01:09:49.560
And we have then a woman who ran a beauty

1266
01:09:49.560 --> 01:09:52.159
parlor and she got the law change. We worked with

1267
01:09:52.159 --> 01:09:55.560
her over the years, but she was tenacious in talking

1268
01:09:55.560 --> 01:09:59.159
to congresson at a restaurant, you can put your bill

1269
01:09:59.439 --> 01:10:06.039
and your tip inside on your card, uh, and it

1270
01:10:06.079 --> 01:10:10.159
all works together. Uh beauty, and it's not double taxed.

1271
01:10:10.239 --> 01:10:10.680
Okay.

1272
01:10:11.199 --> 01:10:13.720
At the beauty parlors you couldn't. So she got that change.

1273
01:10:13.720 --> 01:10:15.000
I mean it's a little thing. It should have been

1274
01:10:15.000 --> 01:10:17.800
done years ago. It just makes it easier for somebody

1275
01:10:17.800 --> 01:10:20.560
to put a tip on the credit card and have

1276
01:10:20.640 --> 01:10:23.079
it go to the person you wanted to. We know

1277
01:10:23.159 --> 01:10:25.680
we do that without thinking about it in restaurants, but

1278
01:10:25.760 --> 01:10:28.920
you couldn't do that, uh in beauty partners for some reason.

1279
01:10:29.159 --> 01:10:30.000
Why what happened?

1280
01:10:30.039 --> 01:10:30.199
Why?

1281
01:10:30.199 --> 01:10:31.520
Why? Why was there exception?

1282
01:10:32.159 --> 01:10:32.720
I don't know.

1283
01:10:32.760 --> 01:10:35.079
It was just they made the accept traps. They fixed

1284
01:10:35.119 --> 01:10:38.199
it for restaurants, but not for everybody. It didn't you know,

1285
01:10:38.239 --> 01:10:40.399
when they realized that had a problem because now people

1286
01:10:40.399 --> 01:10:43.399
are paying the tip not with cash but with the

1287
01:10:43.439 --> 01:10:44.000
credit card.

1288
01:10:44.399 --> 01:10:44.720
Uh.

1289
01:10:44.760 --> 01:10:46.600
And how do you what are you taxed? You know,

1290
01:10:46.760 --> 01:10:48.479
you're not supposed to be taxing the tip part.

1291
01:10:48.960 --> 01:10:49.359
Uh.

1292
01:10:49.399 --> 01:10:51.479
So they put some effort into that for restaurants, but

1293
01:10:51.520 --> 01:10:56.199
they didn't think other similarly situated people. It's look, it's

1294
01:10:56.239 --> 01:10:59.680
the government. It just takes years longer for the government

1295
01:10:59.720 --> 01:11:02.039
to do anything then the I mean, the private sector

1296
01:11:02.039 --> 01:11:05.399
would have fixed that in an afternoon exactly. For the

1297
01:11:05.399 --> 01:11:08.239
government it takes ten years.

1298
01:11:08.640 --> 01:11:12.319
Yeah, yeah, if you're lucky. Well, okay, so what other

1299
01:11:12.359 --> 01:11:15.319
bright spots do we have to look forward to on

1300
01:11:15.479 --> 01:11:19.119
tax day? You know, we're hearing you know, higher returns.

1301
01:11:19.359 --> 01:11:21.800
People are happy with that, and of course part of

1302
01:11:21.840 --> 01:11:24.439
the headwinds that we're dealing with right now is what's

1303
01:11:24.479 --> 01:11:27.840
going on in Iran. Gases up and down, more up

1304
01:11:27.880 --> 01:11:32.880
than down, and you know we're you know, we're we're

1305
01:11:32.920 --> 01:11:33.560
teetering here.

1306
01:11:33.800 --> 01:11:36.359
Just a bit on cheerful news.

1307
01:11:36.399 --> 01:11:39.600
People will be getting bigger refunds than they expected because

1308
01:11:39.600 --> 01:11:42.079
they over withheld. And the IRS knows this because they're

1309
01:11:42.079 --> 01:11:44.720
looking at what they've got. They're going to be sending

1310
01:11:44.720 --> 01:11:48.920
out tens hundreds of billions of dollars out to citizens

1311
01:11:48.960 --> 01:11:51.600
who paid more than they needed to in taxes. And

1312
01:11:51.640 --> 01:11:55.359
the reason was that the tax cut with the first

1313
01:11:55.439 --> 01:11:59.279
year of the Trump second term was passed in July,

1314
01:12:00.079 --> 01:12:03.720
seven years in, six six seven months in, and a

1315
01:12:03.720 --> 01:12:05.720
lot of people just assume that maybe it'd started taking

1316
01:12:05.760 --> 01:12:10.039
effect that even though the Republicans did say loudly, please,

1317
01:12:10.079 --> 01:12:13.600
mister business guy, don't wait seven months to invest in

1318
01:12:13.720 --> 01:12:18.560
new factories. We're going to make the expensing now now,

1319
01:12:18.920 --> 01:12:22.399
so start investing now, don't wait. That's what happened in

1320
01:12:22.439 --> 01:12:24.600
the first term. They didn't pass the tax bill for

1321
01:12:24.600 --> 01:12:26.680
a year. People weren't sure it was going to happen.

1322
01:12:26.920 --> 01:12:30.239
They waited for a year before that, all this new

1323
01:12:30.279 --> 01:12:33.520
investment came in, so the surgeon. The economy showed up

1324
01:12:33.520 --> 01:12:37.439
in twenty nineteen, two years after the bill passed, which

1325
01:12:37.479 --> 01:12:39.600
is what you thought it might take to get done.

1326
01:12:39.720 --> 01:12:44.239
But the election was in twenty eighteen, so the Republicans

1327
01:12:44.319 --> 01:12:47.600
did poorly in the election. A year later, everyone's going,

1328
01:12:47.680 --> 01:12:49.520
this is the best recovery we've had in years and

1329
01:12:49.600 --> 01:12:52.319
years and years, But it didn't align with the election.

1330
01:12:52.479 --> 01:12:55.239
So we wanted to make sure at this time around

1331
01:12:55.800 --> 01:12:58.239
that the tax cut happened. Now and we are seeing

1332
01:12:58.239 --> 01:13:01.960
a surge in new businesess investment, and that's very helpful.

1333
01:13:02.359 --> 01:13:05.600
The last month you saw the growth and jobs, there's

1334
01:13:05.640 --> 01:13:07.560
three times what they thought it was going to be

1335
01:13:07.600 --> 01:13:10.199
that it was sixty thousand, it's one hundred and eighty thousand.

1336
01:13:11.159 --> 01:13:13.600
So there's some real progress there moving forward.

1337
01:13:14.000 --> 01:13:16.520
Yeah, and you look at new business growth, Grover, I mean,

1338
01:13:16.520 --> 01:13:18.319
they're saying about every six seconds, we got a new

1339
01:13:18.359 --> 01:13:21.760
business opening up in America. What does that tell you?

1340
01:13:21.800 --> 01:13:25.479
Oh, and add to it, we did lose about three

1341
01:13:25.520 --> 01:13:28.880
hundred and fifty thousand jobs in the last year in

1342
01:13:28.920 --> 01:13:31.920
the federal government exactly. There are three hundred and fifty

1343
01:13:32.000 --> 01:13:36.479
thousand fewer bureaucrats and there's a massive overspending. A lot

1344
01:13:36.479 --> 01:13:38.560
of these were people that were brought in by Biden

1345
01:13:38.560 --> 01:13:42.239
and whatnot. The people that left and they just weren't replaced.

1346
01:13:42.800 --> 01:13:46.279
And you don't notice that because they was a great

1347
01:13:46.319 --> 01:13:49.479
deal of over hiring over the years, because people hire

1348
01:13:49.520 --> 01:13:53.720
their friends and political allies, not when they need somebody.

1349
01:13:54.319 --> 01:13:57.840
Particularly two under Obama and again under Biden, not good

1350
01:13:57.880 --> 01:14:01.000
at all. So when you look at how the total

1351
01:14:01.079 --> 01:14:04.640
jobs created in the year, number three hundred and thirty,

1352
01:14:04.640 --> 01:14:07.479
three hundred and fifty thousand, of those were jobs that

1353
01:14:07.680 --> 01:14:10.520
really needed to move away so that people could get

1354
01:14:10.600 --> 01:14:12.319
real jobs in the exactly.

1355
01:14:13.279 --> 01:14:15.680
Well, and this is what the Democrats are famous for,

1356
01:14:15.720 --> 01:14:18.239
whether it's Obama or Biden, is it's a bit of

1357
01:14:18.239 --> 01:14:21.920
a shell game. You know, in order to juice the

1358
01:14:22.000 --> 01:14:26.439
numbers of employment, they just hire more bureaucrats to do

1359
01:14:26.880 --> 01:14:30.399
to do more worse things that we're already dealing with.

1360
01:14:31.119 --> 01:14:34.159
I really don't understand how people can vote for Democrats

1361
01:14:34.239 --> 01:14:37.000
just just for the sheer sake of their own wallet.

1362
01:14:37.359 --> 01:14:39.359
You know, here we are, we're getting, you know, as

1363
01:14:39.399 --> 01:14:42.640
we mentioned, some great news because of the big beautiful bill,

1364
01:14:42.720 --> 01:14:46.359
the Working Families Tax cut, bigger refinds more take home

1365
01:14:46.399 --> 01:14:49.600
pay right now. And the Democrats are already, you know,

1366
01:14:49.920 --> 01:14:52.319
pushing for the midterms. Elect me and I'm going to

1367
01:14:52.399 --> 01:14:55.159
raise your taxes. How does that? How is that a

1368
01:14:55.279 --> 01:14:56.359
selling message?

1369
01:14:56.640 --> 01:14:59.520
But they're not saying that. They're saying, elect me and

1370
01:14:59.560 --> 01:15:03.800
I won't raise your taxes. I'll raise a very small

1371
01:15:03.920 --> 01:15:07.880
number of people's taxes. People you haven't met. Okay, And

1372
01:15:08.000 --> 01:15:10.600
why do they do this? It worked for Clinton. I

1373
01:15:10.640 --> 01:15:13.039
will never raise anyone's taxes who earns less than one

1374
01:15:13.079 --> 01:15:17.640
hundred and fifty thousand. First tax increase, they pushed gas tax. Okay,

1375
01:15:17.880 --> 01:15:21.479
but he got elected promising ninety percent of people will

1376
01:15:21.479 --> 01:15:24.600
never see a tax increase. Then the cost of not

1377
01:15:24.720 --> 01:15:28.159
taxing anyone went up. Eight years later, and so Obama

1378
01:15:28.199 --> 01:15:31.479
ran said two hundred and fifty thousand dollars. You have

1379
01:15:31.520 --> 01:15:33.600
to make more than two hundred and fifty thousand, then

1380
01:15:33.640 --> 01:15:37.239
we might tax you little bit. Eight taxes in Obamacare

1381
01:15:37.399 --> 01:15:40.399
hit everybody, and that you think after a while, people

1382
01:15:40.439 --> 01:15:44.079
go they lie, but not always enough to win some elections,

1383
01:15:44.079 --> 01:15:48.560
I guess. And then with Biden it was four hundred thousand,

1384
01:15:48.640 --> 01:15:51.560
we won't take only if you earn more than four

1385
01:15:51.640 --> 01:15:56.720
hundred thousand. And now they're going billionaires, billionaires, not you

1386
01:15:57.359 --> 01:16:01.840
billion We were from less than a million to billion.

1387
01:16:03.479 --> 01:16:07.119
And it's they really are hoping to convince you they

1388
01:16:07.159 --> 01:16:10.640
won't tax you. But when in California they announced they

1389
01:16:10.640 --> 01:16:14.560
were going to tax billionaires thirty percent of the money

1390
01:16:14.560 --> 01:16:18.560
that they hoped to be taxing that, the wealth has

1391
01:16:18.680 --> 01:16:23.239
moved already. The people who own that left California, So

1392
01:16:23.439 --> 01:16:25.399
now they're target if they're, oh, look at all the

1393
01:16:25.439 --> 01:16:28.319
jillions we're going to make, they're down seventy percent. The

1394
01:16:28.439 --> 01:16:33.039
bill hasn't passed yet, they're just talking about it. You know,

1395
01:16:33.439 --> 01:16:35.399
it's the old story if your neighbors said he was

1396
01:16:35.399 --> 01:16:36.960
going to eat your dog, and then he said, well,

1397
01:16:37.000 --> 01:16:39.840
not yet. You keep the dog inside because any moment

1398
01:16:39.840 --> 01:16:42.079
he might eat the dog. Oh we're going to tax

1399
01:16:42.119 --> 01:16:44.880
people's accumulation of life savings.

1400
01:16:45.119 --> 01:16:45.800
Oh not today?

1401
01:16:46.479 --> 01:16:50.880
Yeah, who moves to California? If you have a billion

1402
01:16:50.920 --> 01:16:52.800
dollar idea as a kid, and you're going to make

1403
01:16:52.800 --> 01:16:56.920
a big company and everything, would you move to California

1404
01:16:56.920 --> 01:17:00.439
and make a billion dollars steal it? Or would you

1405
01:17:00.840 --> 01:17:04.039
moved to Texas or Florida or Tennessee or Ohio.

1406
01:17:05.000 --> 01:17:05.319
Yeah?

1407
01:17:05.479 --> 01:17:07.439
When do they run out? Of lives though, Grover, I mean,

1408
01:17:07.479 --> 01:17:11.119
look what's happening with Spamberger? Mom, Donnie. I mean, all

1409
01:17:11.199 --> 01:17:13.359
this stuff is just it's a house of cards. I

1410
01:17:13.359 --> 01:17:15.760
mean that most of us knew from the get go,

1411
01:17:16.319 --> 01:17:19.239
but they're just flat out lying. And you go, when

1412
01:17:19.279 --> 01:17:20.800
are the people when are they going to run out

1413
01:17:20.840 --> 01:17:22.159
of lives or the people that are going to wake

1414
01:17:22.239 --> 01:17:23.960
up to say you're just a liar.

1415
01:17:24.840 --> 01:17:29.279
They'll keep lying until it stops working. Spamberger got elected

1416
01:17:29.319 --> 01:17:31.920
as a moderate gen up, a moderate vone in her body,

1417
01:17:32.239 --> 01:17:34.920
but the press said she was and the United States

1418
01:17:35.000 --> 01:17:38.880
Chamber of Commerce several years ago endorsed her because they

1419
01:17:38.880 --> 01:17:41.520
wanted to be bipartisan, and they claimed she was a

1420
01:17:41.560 --> 01:17:45.720
moderate that was criminally insane of the United States Chamber

1421
01:17:45.760 --> 01:17:48.640
of Commerce to lie to their members, to lie to

1422
01:17:48.680 --> 01:17:52.239
the Business Committee and suggest that she'd be a great congressman,

1423
01:17:52.439 --> 01:17:53.439
a great governor.

1424
01:17:54.640 --> 01:17:54.840
True.

1425
01:17:54.920 --> 01:17:58.479
I mean sometimes the business guys go, oh, we should

1426
01:17:58.520 --> 01:18:02.720
be a bipartisan. Should be for your employees. You should

1427
01:18:02.800 --> 01:18:06.119
be for your employees, not half for politicians. You want

1428
01:18:06.119 --> 01:18:08.800
to cut your employees taxes and half of politicians that

1429
01:18:08.840 --> 01:18:12.119
want to loot them. That's not a value, you know,

1430
01:18:13.640 --> 01:18:16.640
And so it's very sad that, Yes, Spamberger led her

1431
01:18:16.640 --> 01:18:19.520
way into office. Everybody on the left, everybody at the

1432
01:18:19.560 --> 01:18:22.960
Chamber of Commerce, everybody in the newspaper knew she was

1433
01:18:23.000 --> 01:18:23.840
a tax and spender.

1434
01:18:24.039 --> 01:18:25.239
They didn't care.

1435
01:18:25.880 --> 01:18:29.520
And that's why sometimes the Business Committee really disappoints in

1436
01:18:29.560 --> 01:18:35.359
America when they make decisions like that. And it is

1437
01:18:35.880 --> 01:18:39.840
and you mentioned that gentlemen from New York City. She

1438
01:18:39.960 --> 01:18:42.239
was lying, He's gonna have free this, free this, and

1439
01:18:42.279 --> 01:18:45.039
free that, and the press never goes, excuse me, how

1440
01:18:45.079 --> 01:18:47.159
are you going to pay for it? Oh, new York

1441
01:18:47.159 --> 01:18:49.880
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Phill Martinez here for more information on the show, you

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can check it out Bill Martinez Live dot com. Do

1540
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you know eight million Americans live with ciasis? That's an

1541
01:24:32.319 --> 01:24:35.640
amazing number. Maybe that's why we're hearing so much about

1542
01:24:35.840 --> 01:24:40.279
ciiasis these days. Plaque soriasis specifically is the most common

1543
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form of the disease, affecting about eighty to ninety percent

1544
01:24:43.680 --> 01:24:49.079
of people living with cisis Symptoms can include itching, irritation, scaling,

1545
01:24:49.199 --> 01:24:52.840
and flare ups that require ongoing attention and management, and

1546
01:24:52.880 --> 01:24:56.479
for many people, symptoms can affect daily routines and everyday decisions,

1547
01:24:56.520 --> 01:24:59.560
from you know, managing symptoms to choosing clothing that feels

1548
01:24:59.560 --> 01:25:03.479
comfortable when skin becomes sensitive or inflamed. With us to

1549
01:25:03.520 --> 01:25:07.520
tell Morris, tell us more about it is Stacy London

1550
01:25:08.039 --> 01:25:12.760
and Nitika Chopra. They're here to tell and share their stories.

1551
01:25:13.520 --> 01:25:16.319
Stacy has spent her career helping people feel comfortable in

1552
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their own skin. She's long been known as a television

1553
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to TV audiences as the co host of TLC's What

1554
01:25:24.279 --> 01:25:27.520
not to wear Stacy Nitica, Welcome, Michelle. Good to have

1555
01:25:27.600 --> 01:25:28.039
you with us.

1556
01:25:28.119 --> 01:25:30.039
Thanks Bill, happy to be here, Thank you.

1557
01:25:30.239 --> 01:25:33.680
Well, well Stacy, let's start off with you. I mean here,

1558
01:25:34.560 --> 01:25:38.000
you are the New York based fashion expert, entrepreneur, chronic

1559
01:25:38.079 --> 01:25:41.640
illness advocate. So been there, done that, Yeah, bought the

1560
01:25:41.640 --> 01:25:44.720
T shirt as they would say, and you're here to

1561
01:25:44.760 --> 01:25:47.000
help our audience. God bless you, Thank you well.

1562
01:25:47.079 --> 01:25:50.119
I appreciate being here so much, and it's so excited

1563
01:25:50.159 --> 01:25:52.880
to be here with Nittika and working in partnership with ABV.

1564
01:25:53.359 --> 01:25:56.880
We you know, feel that this is about the So.

1565
01:25:57.000 --> 01:25:59.920
Done campaign and it is an awareness campaign to talk

1566
01:26:00.000 --> 01:26:02.640
about plaxoriasis that we feel so strongly about.

1567
01:26:03.079 --> 01:26:06.079
Really because I was diagnosed when I was three years old,

1568
01:26:06.079 --> 01:26:08.000
this is a very personal topic for me.

1569
01:26:08.720 --> 01:26:12.319
I remember thinking as a little kid, what's wrong with me?

1570
01:26:12.800 --> 01:26:16.079
Not really understanding what chronic illness looked like, not understanding

1571
01:26:16.159 --> 01:26:19.199
what plaxrisis was going to turn into for me, which

1572
01:26:19.239 --> 01:26:21.840
was very severe. By the time I was eleven, I

1573
01:26:21.880 --> 01:26:25.279
had plaques completely covering my body from the neck down.

1574
01:26:25.800 --> 01:26:28.800
And you really do have flare ups, you do have

1575
01:26:28.880 --> 01:26:32.159
times where your skin bleeds. I had, you know, flakes.

1576
01:26:32.520 --> 01:26:36.439
I wore long sleeves and pants for three full years.

1577
01:26:36.479 --> 01:26:38.720
I did not want anybody to see my skin. And

1578
01:26:38.760 --> 01:26:41.560
I think that it also underlined for me that I

1579
01:26:41.600 --> 01:26:44.439
didn't just want to cover my skin, that I wanted

1580
01:26:44.439 --> 01:26:46.439
to have style, that I wanted to be able to

1581
01:26:46.439 --> 01:26:50.680
feel confident in some way if I wasn't being able

1582
01:26:50.720 --> 01:26:53.960
to garner that confidence because the disease was making me

1583
01:26:54.039 --> 01:26:55.119
feel self conscious.

1584
01:26:55.199 --> 01:26:58.600
Right, So there's always been this push pull for me.

1585
01:26:59.520 --> 01:27:03.439
Both psoriasis and my love of personal style and that

1586
01:27:03.560 --> 01:27:08.079
agency are things that have really been the deciding factors

1587
01:27:08.079 --> 01:27:08.760
in my career.

1588
01:27:09.680 --> 01:27:13.159
So to partner here was extremely.

1589
01:27:12.520 --> 01:27:15.439
Important for me to talk about this disease and to

1590
01:27:15.479 --> 01:27:19.720
talk about having agency and management over it.

1591
01:27:19.800 --> 01:27:23.199
So you feel less helpless and less alone in the world.

1592
01:27:24.279 --> 01:27:27.279
Well, Ntica, you're a New York based entrepreneur, media host

1593
01:27:27.319 --> 01:27:30.880
advocate who has spent over a decade redefining the intersection

1594
01:27:30.960 --> 01:27:34.359
of wellness and chronic illness. Share your story.

1595
01:27:35.079 --> 01:27:37.359
Yeah, thanks so much, Bill. I was diagnosed when I

1596
01:27:37.359 --> 01:27:41.319
was ten years old, and it definitely changed my entire identity.

1597
01:27:41.439 --> 01:27:44.439
It started with one small spot on my arm and

1598
01:27:44.479 --> 01:27:46.960
then you know, really moved throughout my whole body. It

1599
01:27:47.000 --> 01:27:50.600
covered almost in my entire skin surface pretty quickly, and

1600
01:27:50.640 --> 01:27:52.920
it completely changed the way I saw myself. I didn't

1601
01:27:52.960 --> 01:27:55.039
know anyone who had psoriasis. There's no one in my

1602
01:27:55.119 --> 01:27:58.319
family or in my school, and it really made me

1603
01:27:58.359 --> 01:28:01.039
feel like I was on the outside of everything, and

1604
01:28:01.079 --> 01:28:03.680
I was so different and separate from others. And as

1605
01:28:03.720 --> 01:28:06.239
you can imagine, that pushed me to figure out who

1606
01:28:06.239 --> 01:28:08.800
I really was. It pushed me to see, you know,

1607
01:28:08.840 --> 01:28:11.079
what makes me different. And there were so many moments

1608
01:28:11.079 --> 01:28:15.439
where I felt so done with this conversation around feeling

1609
01:28:15.520 --> 01:28:18.239
bad about myself that I just had to find a

1610
01:28:18.279 --> 01:28:21.359
way to get to that place of empowerment. And a

1611
01:28:21.399 --> 01:28:22.960
part of that, you know, what we want to really

1612
01:28:23.039 --> 01:28:26.399
underscore today is talking to my dermatologists. I've been through

1613
01:28:26.439 --> 01:28:29.960
different dermatologists over the years and really just figured out

1614
01:28:30.000 --> 01:28:32.439
who is the person that's going to be on my team.

1615
01:28:32.720 --> 01:28:35.560
And yeah, it's been a huge, huge part of my journey.

1616
01:28:36.640 --> 01:28:41.119
You know, Stacey is Nitka outlines here and shares with us.

1617
01:28:42.479 --> 01:28:46.520
You know, this experience is definitely defining her in a

1618
01:28:46.560 --> 01:28:50.399
way that probably without sarisis and plaques a rice what

1619
01:28:50.479 --> 01:28:54.119
she dealt with, she'd probably be a different person, no

1620
01:28:54.239 --> 01:28:56.039
question what I'm hearing you from both of you.

1621
01:28:56.159 --> 01:28:58.199
Yeah, yeah, there is both, no question.

1622
01:28:58.640 --> 01:29:01.159
I mean I I gain and it is part of

1623
01:29:01.199 --> 01:29:05.319
my identity, is not my whole identity. And that is

1624
01:29:05.720 --> 01:29:08.239
something that I've had to work very hard to feel

1625
01:29:08.439 --> 01:29:12.840
because for a long time, it can feel like overwhelming

1626
01:29:12.880 --> 01:29:16.079
to have flexoriasis. It can feel overwhelming when your skin

1627
01:29:16.159 --> 01:29:18.720
cracks and bleeds and through your clothes. It can feel

1628
01:29:18.760 --> 01:29:21.600
overwhelming when somebody is like, what's wrong and you have

1629
01:29:21.640 --> 01:29:23.920
to explain that you're not contagious, and there are a

1630
01:29:23.920 --> 01:29:26.119
lot of you know, there is a lot, as Nitty

1631
01:29:26.439 --> 01:29:29.560
Nitko was saying, there is a lot of emotional navigation

1632
01:29:29.600 --> 01:29:33.119
that goes with physical symptoms. And so you know, again,

1633
01:29:33.479 --> 01:29:35.680
one of the things that I've felt very strongly about

1634
01:29:35.720 --> 01:29:37.760
is if I, let's just say for the second, I'm

1635
01:29:37.760 --> 01:29:40.520
saying that I get this diagnosis with psoriasis, it is

1636
01:29:40.560 --> 01:29:43.439
a chronic illness, and I am sort of overwhelmed with

1637
01:29:43.479 --> 01:29:46.279
what to do with that information. What I realized is

1638
01:29:46.319 --> 01:29:50.279
that style is a tool to combat those feelings of

1639
01:29:50.319 --> 01:29:53.640
self consciousness or insecurity. Whether I want to cover up

1640
01:29:53.640 --> 01:29:56.720
my skin or I don't, right, I have the agency

1641
01:29:56.800 --> 01:29:59.239
here to decide whether I'm going to show my psoriasis

1642
01:29:59.279 --> 01:30:02.680
or not. I agency over you know, whether I'm going.

1643
01:30:02.600 --> 01:30:03.239
To cover up.

1644
01:30:03.640 --> 01:30:06.479
I know what fabrics are better for me, cottons, linens,

1645
01:30:06.520 --> 01:30:09.079
things that are breathable. But I also know that I

1646
01:30:09.159 --> 01:30:12.479
might want to wear something that's slightly looser on a

1647
01:30:12.560 --> 01:30:14.279
day that I'm having a flare so that my skin

1648
01:30:14.319 --> 01:30:18.079
doesn't get irritated. I know that coming up into spring summer,

1649
01:30:18.119 --> 01:30:19.720
you know, I'm going to want to be careful about

1650
01:30:19.760 --> 01:30:22.520
going outside and then back into dry air conditioning, so

1651
01:30:22.560 --> 01:30:25.319
I know I want to moisturize. Things like that become

1652
01:30:25.520 --> 01:30:29.159
very important in feeling like you have an agency over

1653
01:30:30.279 --> 01:30:33.319
a condition that you don't right and working with your

1654
01:30:33.359 --> 01:30:36.560
dermatologists towards a management plan that is I think, a

1655
01:30:36.600 --> 01:30:39.399
sense of true control that leads to a kind of

1656
01:30:39.439 --> 01:30:43.720
confidence about living your life so that really the actual

1657
01:30:43.720 --> 01:30:45.239
condition becomes a blip.

1658
01:30:46.560 --> 01:30:50.319
Yeah, well, Nica, living with ciriasis, as you both have

1659
01:30:50.399 --> 01:30:53.800
been sharing, it can be you know, very visible symptoms

1660
01:30:53.800 --> 01:30:56.760
are uncomfortable. How it has it affected how you think

1661
01:30:56.800 --> 01:30:59.520
about clothing choices, especially when it comes to getting dressed.

1662
01:30:59.640 --> 01:31:02.479
Yeah, well, I'm no fashion expert, but I will say

1663
01:31:02.920 --> 01:31:05.840
that it's something just from an emotional perspective, Oh my gosh.

1664
01:31:05.880 --> 01:31:08.640
I used to spend so much time just stressing out

1665
01:31:08.680 --> 01:31:10.560
about what I was going to wear and how I

1666
01:31:10.600 --> 01:31:11.960
was going to feel, and a lot of times in

1667
01:31:12.000 --> 01:31:14.119
the summer, the warmer months, I wouldn't be wearing what

1668
01:31:14.159 --> 01:31:16.239
my friends were wearing or what the kids were wearing

1669
01:31:16.520 --> 01:31:18.520
because I had to cover up, you know, you know,

1670
01:31:18.640 --> 01:31:21.199
like the kids on the playground or whatever you're wearing

1671
01:31:21.279 --> 01:31:23.359
the kids are working. But you know, I felt like

1672
01:31:23.399 --> 01:31:26.199
I had to really cover myself up, and I didn't

1673
01:31:26.199 --> 01:31:28.800
feel like I could be free and wear like those

1674
01:31:28.840 --> 01:31:31.520
pretty dresses I saw my friends wear, whatever it might be.

1675
01:31:31.680 --> 01:31:33.920
I just felt really self conscious. And of course you

1676
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can do that, you absolutely can honor, you know, whatever

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fashion and sense you have, whether you're showing your skin

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or not. But I just felt so self conscious about that.

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So I think finding my you know, sense of empowerment,

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finding my voice, figuring out who I really am no

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matter what I'm navigating with my body has been the

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biggest thing. And it's a lot of the work that

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I do with other people as well, and it's exactly

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what we're doing at the So Done campaign. Because we

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want people to know that they're not alone. You know,

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that's stat that you mentioned early on about how many

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people are living with this in the United States. It's

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it's we're not alone. It's so obvious, the numbers are clear,

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and the experience is often so much like we are

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just alone by ourselves. So we really want to to

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share that.

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And I would, well, what your Yeah, what you both

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are doing right now goes a long way and bringing

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up some understanding because there's so much misunderstanding about about

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black crisis.

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Daisy, Yeah, no, absolutely, And I'm sorry I stepped on

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you a little bit, but I was just going to

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add to what Nitko was saying.

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Is this idea that you know, if you can speak.

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A shared language with people who may not have had

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exact lived experiences, but have certainly had similar lived feelings,

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01:32:41.520 --> 01:32:44.079
and you know, to say that you're you know a

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01:32:44.119 --> 01:32:47.239
lot of people are self conscious when they're diagnosed with crisis.

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01:32:47.279 --> 01:32:49.479
It's not like right out of the bat, you know,

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01:32:49.520 --> 01:32:51.159
right off the bat you want to be like, okay,

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01:32:51.239 --> 01:32:51.680
look at me.

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Some people may be that way, some people may be

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filled with that kind of confidence.

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01:32:55.560 --> 01:32:58.520
But for us, I think it really took a lot.

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01:32:58.319 --> 01:33:00.920
Of internal work to be able to do and to

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have a really realized plan with your dermatologist. You want

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to feel like I keep saying, knowledge is power.

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We know this, right.

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But the more you know, the more you know, and

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01:33:10.399 --> 01:33:12.960
the more you can actually do, and the more you

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01:33:13.000 --> 01:33:15.520
can be proactive in your own life, whether it's your

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01:33:15.560 --> 01:33:16.760
style or your health.

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01:33:17.119 --> 01:33:19.079
Those things are going to give you confidence.

1719
01:33:19.199 --> 01:33:20.960
Those things are going to make you move through the

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01:33:20.960 --> 01:33:23.600
world in a really wonderful and powerful way.

1721
01:33:24.359 --> 01:33:26.640
Well, we got one big question to ask to wrap

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01:33:26.680 --> 01:33:28.720
things up here because we've only got about a minute left.

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01:33:29.159 --> 01:33:32.159
You're both here today as part of avb's So Done

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01:33:32.239 --> 01:33:36.760
awareness campaign. Tell us quickly about that. And for those

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01:33:36.840 --> 01:33:40.000
that are watching and listening in where they can go

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01:33:40.039 --> 01:33:41.920
for more information about psoriasis.

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01:33:42.039 --> 01:33:44.039
Yeah, you know, the best place to go, Bill is

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01:33:44.079 --> 01:33:46.800
really to your dermatologist. We keep talking about that because

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01:33:46.800 --> 01:33:49.399
it is really the best relationship that you can have

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01:33:49.800 --> 01:33:51.960
in this conversation of navigating psoriasis.

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01:33:51.960 --> 01:33:52.600
Are so Done?

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Campaign is really to raise awareness about the condition because

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01:33:55.840 --> 01:33:58.000
we know that people are not alone, but they're feeling

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01:33:58.079 --> 01:34:01.079
so alone. So hopefully hearing SAC and I talk and

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01:34:01.119 --> 01:34:04.199
seeing all the other creators and advocates share their story

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01:34:04.279 --> 01:34:06.319
is going to really be meaningful for folks out there

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01:34:06.479 --> 01:34:08.399
who think that they're the only one and they can

1738
01:34:08.439 --> 01:34:10.079
talk to the dermatologists to learn more.

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01:34:11.079 --> 01:34:13.640
Well, thank you so much for sharing your stories with us,

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as Stacy London and Ninica Chopper right here on Bill

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from plugged in dot Com. Mister Adam, how are we doing?

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Bill?

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I'm great, how are you doing?

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And I'm going terrific great Easter han, the Easter octave continues, Yes,

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as we head to Pentecost, right, that's right.

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Uh, you know, he is risen and our our task,

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our invitation, our identity as those who follow him is

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to wake up each day to remember that. And I

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think to uh, to take hold of it, right, to

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make it our own. And it is an invitation. It's

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right there, He's stands at the door and knocks and yeah,

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now we look forward to Pentecost.

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Well, and it's also a reminder of all the prophecies

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that Jesus had fulfilled, you know, hundreds of prophecies in

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the Old Testament. And I get it, you know when

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you think of his disciples and the early Christians, you know,

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trying to put this all together. And I think this

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is why Saint Paul was so instrumental, because he was

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so well founded in scripture in the Old Testament, you know,

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being the Jew of Jews. He's sitting there, I mean,

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when the light went on for him, even though his

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eyes were darkened initially, but then the scales were lifted

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off his eyes. I mean all this was like wow,

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you know, I could have had a V eight moment,

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you know.

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Right, and you know I think Paul is kind of

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the great synthesis, right. We may not think of him

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with that word usually, but he takes all of the

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01:39:55.520 --> 01:39:58.000
things that have happened and he puts them in that

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filter through you know, his vast understanding of the Jewish faith.

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You know, he says he was a Jew of Jews.

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As for legalistic righteousness, he was faultless. So you know,

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when we talk about the Pharisees, Paul was a Pharisee

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01:40:14.359 --> 01:40:18.439
of Pharisees. And probably he may have been, you know,

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lurking in the background somewhere, even when Jesus was crucified.

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But Paul synthesizes that he helps us to understand Jesus Jewish identity.

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But then Paul becomes.

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You know, the apostle to the gentiles, right to help

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those who were not a part of that that tradition

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that you know, people group to understand that Jesus came

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for them as well. And obviously that wasn't an easy task.

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He and Peter kind of butted heads initially till Peter

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figured things out. You know, God bless Peter. Even after

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Jesus you know, comes and goes, Peter still having these moments.

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Right, right right, Well, Peter's Peter, you know he is exactly.

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I mean, we're all transforming, you know, inch by inch,

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moment by moment, you know, glory to glory, is it

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says in the New Testament. But yeah, I mean, and

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and here's it also is representative of just how how

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forgiving God is that he would forgive, that he would

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forgive Saul, who then became Paul. Interesting how everybody's name

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has changed in the New Testament. So that's telling that

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should tell you something. But but also that how God transformed,

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how first of all he forgave him, because because we

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know that Saul at the time was right there holding

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the stones. Yeah, I mean it's all the stones. He's

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holding the coats of those that stone Stephen, you know exactly. Yeah,

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So here he is. And uh. But again, all these

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things point to God's grace and mercy and the course,

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the greatest of which was that God himself sends his

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son to save us. You know. But the deal is

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about it, Adam, mean, as you think about it, if

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you don't know you need saving, and then Jesus comes

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and goes and you miss you missed the greatest gift

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of a lifetime.

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Well, that's right, and I think you know, as we

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think about how we relate to those who don't know him.

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You and I have talked about this before, but I

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think you know Blaze Pascal's psychological observations about the nature

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of the human condition. It's one in which we have

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a hole inside, you know, the god shape vacuum. And

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even if people don't consciously recognize it as such, I

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think you know, an entry point for conversation with people

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is what are you living for? You know, what gets

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you up in the morning, what you know, what are

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you doing to find meaning in life? And then you know,

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how's that going? You know, because I think for all

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of us, we have these moments where we realize, oh,

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this thing that I've worked so hard to chase. Either

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you get it or you don't, but either way you

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realize it's not going to fulfill me, right, And so

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that's the that's.

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The entry point.

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And then you know, Peter's counsel was live a quiet,

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good life, and Paul said that too. You know, make

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it your ambition to lead a quiet life, to work

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with your own hands and to mind your own business

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so that.

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Your daily life may win.

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You know, the attention of those who are watching you.

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So are we living as people of hope, as people

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of kindness, as people of integrity, so that when someone's

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chips are down, they look at us and say, man, Bill,

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it seems like you have something that I don't have,

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and I want.

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To know exactly right, Yeah, you live as as people

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of destiny. Yes, that your destiny is sealed. So having

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that confidence it allows you to go forward and as

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you said, to be content no matter what the circumstance is.

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Right.

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Well, and we live in such a radically discontented time,

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you know, the irony of our moment is even with

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the economic struggles, there's a lot going on and people

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are under pressure. I get that, but we are still

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at a moment in history where we live better than

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kings dead one hundred years ago.

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Right, we have more than ever.

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And yet the discontentment gnaws at us. And that's because

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the things we chase in the world ultimately don't fulfill us.

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Right, and so.

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Because they all go away, lot, they do all go away,

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not lasting. And this is what Jesus came to show us,

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is that you had to, you know, let go of

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the things that hold you down to this earth and

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lift up and be elevated by those things that bring

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you into the heavenlys where God wants you, wants you

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to be with him.

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Right, That's exactly right, And it's you know, back to

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sort of the day by day nature of it. You know,

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I'm also mindful of Lamentations three, which says His mercies

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are new every morning.

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That's where we get our hymn. Great is Thy faithfulness.

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There are days Bill that I am so cognizant of it,

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and it shapes the way I think and live and

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make decisions. There are other days that I get busy,

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I get stressed out. Frankly, there are things that make

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me angry. I mean, there are lots of ways we

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can get distracted. And so that promise is there every

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day because we need it every day, whether it's a

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good day or a bad day. And in some ways

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what we think of the day really doesn't matter. What

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matters is that God's faithfulness is here today. And our

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job is to say, Okay, I want to live my

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life in accordance with that truth, and let that truth

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really shape how I how I make decisions, how I

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relate to people, everything I do well.

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And this is why God wants us to be a

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mess in his peace. Yes, because if we're a mession

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his piece, then we're not on the hamster willow life

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being distracted by all these things, people cutting you off

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on the road, or what other you know, irritation that

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may come your way. And you know, so again, we're

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thankful for Easter, and may we all continue to live

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out three hundred and sixty five days the Easter Resurrection promise.

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And you know, and what lies ahead for us? I mean,

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it's it's all good, isn't it.

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It is all good, and we get a foretaste of

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it now. But again, I know I'm quoting Scripture a lot.

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Today. We see through the glass darkly.

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Even as I sit here, I'm looking out my window

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and it's foggy. I can't see much of anything beyond

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my front window. And some days are just foggy. But

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we trust that that reality is out there among the fog,

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and that God's going to help us navigate it.

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Right exactly, I want to talk again about a great Awakening.

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I love the movie. I love the response. Friends have

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gone there.

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I was.

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I got to tell you, frankly, I'm disappointed that it

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didn't do more than two million dollars, but there there

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were only like less than thirteen hundred theaters it was in.

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But yeah, this is a movie that really is worth

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is worthwhile the main levels. I know, sometimes we say

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as people of faith, you should watch this movie because

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of a faith based movie, and we need to let

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everybody know that, you know, this is the kind of

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movies that we want to see. But this is such

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a great movie about America's history. I would say that

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you should take your children, maybe not your young children.

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Some people have commented that because they show you know

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that George Whitfield had a bad eye and he can

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look a scary But that aside. The history and the

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point of what A Great Awakening tells us is about

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the birth of America. And here we are on the

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eve of celebrating two.

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Hundred and fifty years, right, Yeah, that's right.

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And I do think this is a story, you know,

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more than a story, a true story that helps us

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understand some of the foundations of our country more clearly. Right,

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And I think that we know that there were men

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of faith whose principles and whose conviction shaped the founding

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of our nation. This movie shows us what that looked

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like in action. And it even shows us that even

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though George Whitfield's friend Benjamin Franklin may not have been

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in lockstep with him in terms of what he thought

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about Jesus in the Bible, Whitfield's perspective was still deeply influential,

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especially in the life of ben Franklin, but also some

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of the other Founding Fathers that we see.

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Well, here it is, we're on the brink of losing,

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you know, this great American idea. I mean, they had

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been working hard to try to come into agreement. They're fussing, Okay,

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how it's going to be represented. They just couldn't get

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things together. And I believe Whitfield's influence on Benjamin Franklin

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was such that suddenly he's inspired. A word of God

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was deposited into him, Yeah, demonstrating against his mindset and

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understanding that, you know, being somewhat of a deist. They

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say that I thought that God did not, you know,

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interfere in the affairs of mankind. But I certainly I

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think this is representative against that idea, because God gave

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I believe, Benjamin Franklin the idea that hey, maybe we

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should pray.

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Right, right exactly, that's exactly right.

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And I think your exhortation to take your kids to it.

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We live in such an ahistorical moment, you know, we

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can barely remember what happened yesterday, let alone three hundred

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years ago, because this takes place about a generation before

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the founding you know, of the United States, and we

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see it move forward from there, but starts I think

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in the seventeen thirties or forties, right exactly, And so

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it's important what happened before has shaped how we've gotten

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to where we are today, and movies like this help

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us understand our heritage, maybe in ways that we were

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never even aware of.

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I mean, that was the way it was for me.

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There's stuff here that I had no idea, you know,

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I just wasn't I didn't know about it.

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Right exactly, Well, look at be Blessed. Go see the

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movie a greater way. Highly recommend it again. Take the kids.

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This will be a great opportunity to converse about the

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history of our country, especially, as we said, in light

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of our two hundred and fiftieth anniversary, lots of information

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we didn't get a chance to talk about it. Next

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time plugged in you're going to do your first animated movie.

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Huh we are.

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Yeah.

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If you go to plugged in dot Com, which of

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course is a ministry of focus on the family, you're

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going to see right at the top of the screen.

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And invitation to learn about Journey into the Impossible, which

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is our first Adventures in Odyssey movie, and you can

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give us some feedback on that. And this is the

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origin story of wit So. If you are an Adventures

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in Odyssey super fan, oh yeah.

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Don't know about this. You are going to be excited.

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This is a big deal.

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Well, congratulations, a good fun. We can't wait. Adam Holtz

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from plugged in dot Com. Thank you, Adam, God bless

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you bet.

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Thanks Bill.

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