Dec. 31, 2025
The Bill Martinez Show 12 31 25
The Bill Martinez Show 12 31 25
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Are you ready.
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Yeah, Okay, let's do it.
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Bill Martinez Live a program about current events, our culture,
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our values, our politics, and our future.
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And now Bill Martinez.
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Well, good morning and welcome. Six minutes after the top
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of our Bill Martinez here with my good friend Hester
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Lucas Miles. We're gonna talk about his new book, Pagan Threat,
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Confronting America's Godless Uprising. But before we do, first of all,
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welcome Lucas. Good to have you back with us. It's
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been a minute.
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Thank you, Bill. Always good to see you.
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You're one of the best out there, and it's an
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honor be on the show.
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Well, you're very kind. I must say this at the opening,
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and people know, most people are aware that you were
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associated with Charlie Kirk and with Turning Point Faith, and
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you know in our hearts remain heavy as God takes
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us through this period of grief and mourning and renewal
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because that one thing, God, God just won't allow the
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static to stay there.
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Right.
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Yeah, it's been it's been amazing the ground surge of
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support that we have felt. I've been the senior director
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of TPUSA Faith. I oversee all the faith operations within
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the Turning Point ecosystem, and it is. It's been incredible
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to see what God has done on the other side
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that's filtered through the lens of grief. And and of
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course all of us, you know, within Turning Point and
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everybody that loved Charlie deary, have been so impacted. I've
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said before about Charlie that you know, Charlie dying was
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almost like a million people dying because of the impact
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that he had, and you know the way it affected
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so many individual families, even if they didn't know him,
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he was part of their family. Everybody owned a little
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bit of Charlie Kirk and just he was so he
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was so charismatic, drew people in. You know how many
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of us watched him and said, that's what I wanted
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to say in that conversation. I could have communicated that
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to my my friend, or my sister, or my brother
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or my dad or whatever it was, or my neighbor.
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And you know, Charlie just became part of all of
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our lives. And I don't think that you know, people
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fully realized the rich treasure that we had in him
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until fully until he was gone. And I think we're
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still recognizing the void that that is created in this world.
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But God's faithful and he is raising up so many
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that are standing strong. On my email box can prove it.
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I've got just so many inquiries from people. We're filtering
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through those as fast as we can. It's been absolutely
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amazing to see just this revival on the other side
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of this deep loss.
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Well, Lucas, like any organization, it's about the people, and
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Charlie Kirk attracted great people such as yourself. I mean, talented,
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gifted speakers, insightful individuals of all ages. I mean when
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you hear or see someone from the organization interviewed, it's impressive.
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Charlie gathered people that I think had similar DNA and
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makeup to him. We not all the same gifts, I mean, certainly,
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and Charlie was unique. I mean he was a once
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in a generation mind, as many people have said. I
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agree with that, But there was there was these other
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attributes I think that Charlie looked for. He looked for
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somebody who understood what I call grace plus hustle. They
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were grateful, they knew that all of this came from
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the Lord, but they were willing to put in the time,
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and they were willing to work harder than anybody else.
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You know, all it would take Charlie to say to
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the staff would be like, hey, guys, let's get this,
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let's do this, let's dream bigger.
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You know.
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He would just have these short phrases at times that
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he would send you or communicate to a team, and
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it was enough to get everybody go, yes, we can
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do it, and you just instantly believed it because Charlie
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said it. He was so so motivating. He just maximized
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everybody around him, brought the absolute best out of them.
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I was I'd like to think I was a decent
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leader when I came to TPOSA faith. Charlie made me
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a better leader in the last eighteen months that I
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was around him, you know, intimately, and I will be
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forever grateful for that. Was the honor of my life
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to serve under him.
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I bet. And you know, you look back in the
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rearview mirror and you see what he did when he
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started at eighteen years of age. I mean, you talk
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about a legacy and a track record. I imagine initially
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when he was saying, hey, we need a dream bigger,
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we can do this, and probably some of the people go, yeah, Okay,
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that's just Charlie again. But then you get down the
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road and you're going, hey, yes, don't even think twice,
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because you've already proven yourself time and time and time again.
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And that seems to be the consistent message and the
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evidence of Turning Point USA. Right.
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Yeah, he just had a way of doing what he
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said he was going to do. I think, you know,
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a man of absolute integrity. What he preached, what he proclaimed,
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what he said, he made it happen, you know. And
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I think that's one reason why I think our donors
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have been so supportive of us over the years, is
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because when Charlie said we're going to do this, they
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knew he was going to do it. We saw that
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with the twenty twenty four election. And you know, the
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amazing thing and I think where I'm very you know,
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confident still in the future of TPSA and TPOSA Faith
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is that Charlie developed a very deep bench the organization
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and you know, not everybody's name is known, but you
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know Turning Point and Turning Point you know USA, Turnpoint Action,
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TPUOSA Faith, all the different you know arms that Charlie
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put together here. There's just great people through these companies
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that are fully committed. The resolve is higher than ever.
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And it's the same machine that was supporting Charlie this
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whole time, and so that machine isn't gone. You can
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try to, you know, strike down the general here, but
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I'll tell you what this this this army is going
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to rise up. We're going to keep doing the work
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of God. We understand ideologically there's a major battle to
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fight and committed to seeing it through well.
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And that was the spiritual battle that you and I
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have discussed and we're going to talk about it. And
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it's you know, evident in your new book as well.
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You know, the people are are rising up, and you know,
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I think so many people out there because they didn't
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have the wherewithal. You know, the Bible says, if you
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don't have the foundation for spiritual things, you're not going
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to understand spiritual things. A lot about Charlie was spiritual
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because he knew, yes, we could talk about practical things
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and discussed in the marketplace about you know, about the
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dissatisfaction you may have on the college campuses. But he
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knew at the very root, your restlessness was not going
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to be rested until it rested in the heart of Jesus.
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Right.
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Yeah, Hey, everything that Charlie did, I think his faith
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was a foundation layer to it. It was undergirded all
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of his political views, all of his social views. He
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could debate them in the public square, and sometimes he
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would say on college campuses, hey, if you don't want
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to talk about Christianity, we can just talk about this
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from logic or reason. And he would do just an
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excellent job navigating that. But he understood that. I think
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that his biblical faith is faith in Jesus Christ. Was
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that underlayment for all these other views that he held.
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And it was because of his faith in Jesus Christ
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that he understood, you know, national sovereignty, personal responsibility, sanctity
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of life, that he understood the value of being a
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self learner. You know, all these things were you know,
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really girded in you know, biblical teaching, kind of a
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Proverbs you know, coming to life sort of a reaction.
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And you know, Charlie was so unique, and I'm just
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grateful for him. His legacy is going to live on
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for a very long time. Probably one of the most
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videotaped human beings ever to live on the planet. And
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we've got content for decades to come. I'm convinced that
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the world's going to see.
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I'm waiting for the Naval Academy to say, how did
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we let him get away? Right? I mean, but thank God,
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you know, in a sense, because well, God's in control.
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So the Naval Academy. Though it was an aspiration for
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him and a dream that he had, God had a
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better plan for him.
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You know, I'll let somebody else on our team actually
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verify that, but I believe that earlier this year he
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had an opportunity to go to speak to I think
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the board at the Naval Academy. I could have that wrong,
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but I'm pretty certain that's the case. And so God
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ended up bringing that full circle where he was able
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to go there and present some things to them, speak
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out about stamping out wokeism and really the importance of
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high military standards and these things, and so you know,
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it's it's it's awesome to see that, you know. I
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think in many ways his dream did come true where
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he was able to be at the top of that
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and influence people, and God used him in so many
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just prolific ways, you know, throughout his life.
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Well, and you have to look in terms of his inspiration.
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As you mentioned the impact that had on Pete Hegseth.
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I'd say even Bobby Kennedy Junior. I mean, you know
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what we're doing now with the the you know, the
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defense of war now not the defense but the War Department,
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and you know, and them getting in shape and raising
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the level for each other. I think it's a positive
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thing and we can blame part of that on Charlie.
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I think one hundred percent. Yeah, without a doubt. We
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got to go to a quick break. We've got more
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from Lucas Smiles on the other side. Stay with us.
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