Dec. 31, 2025

The Bill Martinez Show 12 31 25

The Bill Martinez Show 12 31 25
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The Bill Martinez Show 12 31 25
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Are you ready.

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Yeah, Okay, let's do it.

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Bill Martinez Live a program about current events, our culture,

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our values, our politics, and our future.

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And now Bill Martinez.

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Well, good morning and welcome. Six minutes after the top

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of our Bill Martinez here with my good friend Hester

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Lucas Miles. We're gonna talk about his new book, Pagan Threat,

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Confronting America's Godless Uprising. But before we do, first of all,

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welcome Lucas. Good to have you back with us. It's

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been a minute.

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Thank you, Bill. Always good to see you.

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You're one of the best out there, and it's an

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honor be on the show.

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Well, you're very kind. I must say this at the opening,

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and people know, most people are aware that you were

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associated with Charlie Kirk and with Turning Point Faith, and

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you know in our hearts remain heavy as God takes

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us through this period of grief and mourning and renewal

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because that one thing, God, God just won't allow the

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static to stay there.

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Right.

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Yeah, it's been it's been amazing the ground surge of

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support that we have felt. I've been the senior director

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of TPUSA Faith. I oversee all the faith operations within

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the Turning Point ecosystem, and it is. It's been incredible

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to see what God has done on the other side

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that's filtered through the lens of grief. And and of

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course all of us, you know, within Turning Point and

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everybody that loved Charlie deary, have been so impacted. I've

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said before about Charlie that you know, Charlie dying was

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almost like a million people dying because of the impact

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that he had, and you know the way it affected

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so many individual families, even if they didn't know him,

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he was part of their family. Everybody owned a little

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bit of Charlie Kirk and just he was so he

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was so charismatic, drew people in. You know how many

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of us watched him and said, that's what I wanted

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to say in that conversation. I could have communicated that

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to my my friend, or my sister, or my brother

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or my dad or whatever it was, or my neighbor.

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And you know, Charlie just became part of all of

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our lives. And I don't think that you know, people

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fully realized the rich treasure that we had in him

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until fully until he was gone. And I think we're

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still recognizing the void that that is created in this world.

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But God's faithful and he is raising up so many

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that are standing strong. On my email box can prove it.

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I've got just so many inquiries from people. We're filtering

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through those as fast as we can. It's been absolutely

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amazing to see just this revival on the other side

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of this deep loss.

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Well, Lucas, like any organization, it's about the people, and

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Charlie Kirk attracted great people such as yourself. I mean, talented,

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gifted speakers, insightful individuals of all ages. I mean when

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you hear or see someone from the organization interviewed, it's impressive.

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Charlie gathered people that I think had similar DNA and

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makeup to him. We not all the same gifts, I mean, certainly,

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and Charlie was unique. I mean he was a once

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in a generation mind, as many people have said. I

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agree with that, But there was there was these other

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attributes I think that Charlie looked for. He looked for

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somebody who understood what I call grace plus hustle. They

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were grateful, they knew that all of this came from

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the Lord, but they were willing to put in the time,

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and they were willing to work harder than anybody else.

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You know, all it would take Charlie to say to

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the staff would be like, hey, guys, let's get this,

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let's do this, let's dream bigger.

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You know.

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He would just have these short phrases at times that

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he would send you or communicate to a team, and

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it was enough to get everybody go, yes, we can

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do it, and you just instantly believed it because Charlie

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said it. He was so so motivating. He just maximized

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everybody around him, brought the absolute best out of them.

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I was I'd like to think I was a decent

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leader when I came to TPOSA faith. Charlie made me

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a better leader in the last eighteen months that I

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was around him, you know, intimately, and I will be

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forever grateful for that. Was the honor of my life

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to serve under him.

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I bet. And you know, you look back in the

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rearview mirror and you see what he did when he

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started at eighteen years of age. I mean, you talk

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about a legacy and a track record. I imagine initially

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when he was saying, hey, we need a dream bigger,

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we can do this, and probably some of the people go, yeah, Okay,

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that's just Charlie again. But then you get down the

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road and you're going, hey, yes, don't even think twice,

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because you've already proven yourself time and time and time again.

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And that seems to be the consistent message and the

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evidence of Turning Point USA. Right.

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Yeah, he just had a way of doing what he

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said he was going to do. I think, you know,

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a man of absolute integrity. What he preached, what he proclaimed,

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what he said, he made it happen, you know. And

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I think that's one reason why I think our donors

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have been so supportive of us over the years, is

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because when Charlie said we're going to do this, they

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knew he was going to do it. We saw that

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with the twenty twenty four election. And you know, the

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amazing thing and I think where I'm very you know,

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confident still in the future of TPSA and TPOSA Faith

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is that Charlie developed a very deep bench the organization

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and you know, not everybody's name is known, but you

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know Turning Point and Turning Point you know USA, Turnpoint Action,

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TPUOSA Faith, all the different you know arms that Charlie

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put together here. There's just great people through these companies

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that are fully committed. The resolve is higher than ever.

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And it's the same machine that was supporting Charlie this

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whole time, and so that machine isn't gone. You can

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try to, you know, strike down the general here, but

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I'll tell you what this this this army is going

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to rise up. We're going to keep doing the work

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of God. We understand ideologically there's a major battle to

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fight and committed to seeing it through well.

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And that was the spiritual battle that you and I

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have discussed and we're going to talk about it. And

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it's you know, evident in your new book as well.

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You know, the people are are rising up, and you know,

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I think so many people out there because they didn't

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have the wherewithal. You know, the Bible says, if you

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don't have the foundation for spiritual things, you're not going

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to understand spiritual things. A lot about Charlie was spiritual

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because he knew, yes, we could talk about practical things

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and discussed in the marketplace about you know, about the

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dissatisfaction you may have on the college campuses. But he

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knew at the very root, your restlessness was not going

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to be rested until it rested in the heart of Jesus.

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Right.

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Yeah, Hey, everything that Charlie did, I think his faith

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was a foundation layer to it. It was undergirded all

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of his political views, all of his social views. He

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could debate them in the public square, and sometimes he

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would say on college campuses, hey, if you don't want

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to talk about Christianity, we can just talk about this

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from logic or reason. And he would do just an

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excellent job navigating that. But he understood that. I think

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that his biblical faith is faith in Jesus Christ. Was

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that underlayment for all these other views that he held.

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And it was because of his faith in Jesus Christ

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that he understood, you know, national sovereignty, personal responsibility, sanctity

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of life, that he understood the value of being a

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self learner. You know, all these things were you know,

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really girded in you know, biblical teaching, kind of a

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Proverbs you know, coming to life sort of a reaction.

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And you know, Charlie was so unique, and I'm just

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grateful for him. His legacy is going to live on

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for a very long time. Probably one of the most

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videotaped human beings ever to live on the planet. And

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we've got content for decades to come. I'm convinced that

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the world's going to see.

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I'm waiting for the Naval Academy to say, how did

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we let him get away? Right? I mean, but thank God,

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you know, in a sense, because well, God's in control.

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So the Naval Academy. Though it was an aspiration for

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him and a dream that he had, God had a

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better plan for him.

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You know, I'll let somebody else on our team actually

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verify that, but I believe that earlier this year he

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had an opportunity to go to speak to I think

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the board at the Naval Academy. I could have that wrong,

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but I'm pretty certain that's the case. And so God

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ended up bringing that full circle where he was able

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to go there and present some things to them, speak

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out about stamping out wokeism and really the importance of

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high military standards and these things, and so you know,

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it's it's it's awesome to see that, you know. I

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think in many ways his dream did come true where

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he was able to be at the top of that

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and influence people, and God used him in so many

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just prolific ways, you know, throughout his life.

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Well, and you have to look in terms of his inspiration.

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As you mentioned the impact that had on Pete Hegseth.

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I'd say even Bobby Kennedy Junior. I mean, you know

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what we're doing now with the the you know, the

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defense of war now not the defense but the War Department,

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and you know, and them getting in shape and raising

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the level for each other. I think it's a positive

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thing and we can blame part of that on Charlie.

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I think one hundred percent. Yeah, without a doubt. We

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got to go to a quick break. We've got more

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from Lucas Smiles on the other side. Stay with us.

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He's the author. He's also with Turning Point Faith and

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a pastor of influence influenced church. Right, yeah, and everything

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continues to go well. So I want to talk about

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the pagan threat? Why why this book and why now?

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So I've read a couple of books on exposing Wochism

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specifically within the church, the Christian left, and then woke Jesus.

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And you know, as I was processing through these these

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books and I'm very thankful that the past books have

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done quite well. I recognize that that Christianity was a

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good short term vehicle for wokeism, but not a good

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long term host. And what I mean by that is

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Marxism is really a parasite. It is, it can't stand

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on its own. It requires something else to support it

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and hold it up, whether that's the state or religion

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or whatever. And and Christianity for a time provided that

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in the form of progressive Christianity, where you know, Marxism

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found an infiltration into the four walls of the Church

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to convince, you know, the world. I think it was

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through the trojan horse of social justice that it came

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in and it it it for a time was very convincing.

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But eventually, if you call yourself a progressive Christian, you're

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either going to push more into the critical theory Marxi,

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this framework and recognize that, you know, eventually deconstruct from

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your faith that that Marxism is antithetical to the Gospel,

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or if you push into your the Christian side of

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that progressive Christianity enough and you actually start reading the Bible,

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you'll recognize that all the principles of marx are are

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you know, really anti God. I mean they're there, they

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don't they can't coexist with a biblical worldview, and so

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you'll eventually leave that progressive form you know, formation away.

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But paganism isn't like that.

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Because of the.

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A less rigid moral structure, really completely fluid moral structure.

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It allows for the various views of Marxism uh to

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take root without any sort of internal conflicts. And so

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the goal what we're seeing, the reason why there's a

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resurgence of paganism today is because it's really bought and

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paid for by the left that is trying to supplant

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Christianity as being the predominant Christian worldview and to introduce

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this this pagan uh you know, ideology and platform so

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that it can win over the younger generation and get

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these Marxist ideas to be more easily accepted. Now that

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the spiritual climate has changed and there's no longer the

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obstacle of the cross, you know, standing against it.

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Right, nothing new under the sun. And you said something

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that's really important, and I hope our audience caught that,

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and that is that if you're not in the word,

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you're really not studying the legitimate I've used this example

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many times. It's like a bank teller when they teach

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them how to deal with counterfeit money, what they have

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them study is the legitimate. They study the legitimate so

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closely that they can see the counterfeit like that. And

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I would dare say in today's Christianity, because we have

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not been as invested in the Word as we should be.

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I say, on a daily and a continual basis. Because

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you've got to imagine, if Jesus says, you know, I

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don't live on bread alone, but by every word that

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comes out of the mouth of God, that's pretty significant.

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I would think, Yeah, you're absolutely right.

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I mean, look, as Christians, we have to come back

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to establishing our faith in fact. At the end of

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the book, I give a seven step road map on

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how do we start turning the tide. I mean, how

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many young people have been influenced by this, how many

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parents and grandparents have come to you know, us and said, hey,

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what can I do to reach my child and my grandchild?

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You know, how many people are concerned about nieces and

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nephews and these things they've seen impacted by gender ideology,

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by leftism, by Marxism, by Antifa. You know, we've seen

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several very prominent examples. In the last few weeks. We

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had two sniper attacks young men that were you know,

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indoctrinated on the internet, you know, to do such terrible things.

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And I think that everybody's recognizing there's a crisis that's

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happening here. And this younger generation is harder to reach

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in many ways because they're less accessible than previous generations were.

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They are more prone to be isolated. They grew up

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kind of in isolation through COVID, they were sort of

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trained in that, so they have less of a desire

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or even the skill set to go meet friends and

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make friends and find people. There's a lot of trauma

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in their life, starting with everything from September eleven to

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the rise in school shootings to you know, you know,

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wars and rumors of wars, you know, totalitarian you know,

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policies during COVID, now things like the assassination of Charlie Kirk.

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This is a generation in trauma and we have to

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reach them, but we have to reach them with something.

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In particular, we have to reach them with the Gospel,

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and so we have to start with that that primary

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you know, belief in christ. We need a resurgence in evangelism.

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We need to use tools of technology in order to

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get the gospel out there. But I provide a plan

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at the end of the book, and I encourage every

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single faith leader and parent, grandparent to get a copy.

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Well, you know, you brought up something that's key here,

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and that is the young people. And what I see, Lucas,

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is that they're looking for consistency, you know, right now

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in a culture where brands have been compromised, whether we're

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talking bud Light, Disneyland, you know recently with Cracker Barrel.

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You know, if all of a sudden McDonald says, hey,

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we're not doing Hamburgers anymore, there'd be insanity, you know,

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because it's a violation of their brand and their image

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of who they are. Christianity has a brand and image.

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What's happened is some of these, as you say, you know,

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progressive pastors and cultural progressives who thought, oh, well, you know,

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this is what's going on, and we need to make

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a shift. But they didn't even realize as they were

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drifting and you and I talked about this years ago,

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as they drift away from the solidarity and the consistency

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of the Gospel. They started to compromise their brand. And

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the cautionary tale here is look at hit the pause button, reevaluate,

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reconnect with that brand, that identification, which is Christ Church.

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It's not your church, It's Jesus' Church, right, And this

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is what these kids are coming back to. And they're

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looking to say, Okay, are you true? Are you legit?

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Are you a counterfeit? And they can smell account fit

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from miles away, can't they?

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Yeah, absolutely, you're absolutely right.

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I think that.

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You know, one of the things that made Charlie so

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successful was his willingness to engage in real conversation. He

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would sit down. You know, people would call him a fascist,

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but yet how many fascists do you know that give

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their opponent a microphone hours, you know, to be able

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to talk about these things. If he was a fascist,

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he wasn't a very good one. Uh And and so

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it's uh, you know, it's very unique to this generation.

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They love the dialogue. They love, you know, getting on

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TikTok live and having debates. You know, when I was

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a kid, I was I went to uh, I was

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in a speech and debate club, and I never wanted

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to tell anybody. You know, it was kind of dorky

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and nerdy. You know, my friends found out, you know,

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it might be a problem. But now I mean it's

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it's it's like the you know, it's like the Greek

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the amphitheater again here. You know, people there say there

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is great pride in going out and saying, let's have

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these conversations. Let's give the opposing side a chance, and

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let's have a rebuttal, and let's be able to engage.

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And I think this younger generation loves that we have

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started doing in our churches and also with TPUSA faith,

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just sit down conversations where we dialogue was the thought leader,

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and just get stuff out on the table. And then

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to be able to take questions from the audience when

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we're done. Most churches would never dream of giving a

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chance for their audience to ask questions, but then we

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will sh why they're not discipled. And so Jesus asked questions,

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and he gave time for people to ask him questions.

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And I think that's a secret to reaching this generation

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right now.

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And I think this will help us return to civility

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where we can have a conversation, sit down and as

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the Bible says reason together. Yeah, okay, and that's what

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I think our culture is aching for, is that kind

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of connection. Lucas, what do you think.

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I think you're absolutely right. I think that, you know,

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there's a lot of ego and pride that gets attached

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to these things. But I think that for those of

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us that are you know, committed to taking the Gospel forward,

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we have to really check that ego at the door.

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And we're here to be a spokesperson for God. We're

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here to preach the full counsel of the Word of God.

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So many pastors have just you know fallen, you know,

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from this. Charlie and I talked about this a lot.

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One of the things I introduced to him was the

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idea that they're three types of pastors. That there's true

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pastors and there's traitorous pastors, and there's this middle category

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of trembling pastors. And I think that that's what we've

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seen so much of, is we have these pastors that

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they're like giddy and hiding in the wine press, hoping

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the battle is going to go on you know without them,

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you know, as they just you know, kind of stay

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under cover. But I think that Charlie Kirk was somebody

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who came to us and said, arise you, mighty valiant warriors,

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and he and he called the church back to action.

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Now in his passing, I think that it's our job

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to remind one another of that. I think it's you know,

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I feel, you know, burden to be somebody who continues

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to remind the church it's time to get in the fight.

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It's time to stand up, it's trying. It's time to

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be strong in your faith. It's time to be bolder

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than ever. And and you know, because there's a world

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and in a country to save.

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Here exactly the truth matters, doesn't it, Yes.

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One hundred percent Without Without you know, truth, what do

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we have U? You know, just it's fabrication, it's our own.

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My truth doesn't mean anything. My truth isn't worth anything.

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I don't have it all figured out. There's only one

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who does. And I just want to keep pointing people

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to him.

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Amen. About thirty seconds left here. Pagan Threat Book available

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now in all the usual places.

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Right, Yeah, you're go ahead.

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And I was just going to say to summarize, to

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summarize it, what would you want people to gain from this?

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Yeah?

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Absolutely, This is to equip them to be able to

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reach this generation and be able to stand up in

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the times that we're in.

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The world is shifted.

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We saw that twenty you know, twenty eight days ago

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or so when Charlie was killed, and it is time

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Hey, good morning, Welcome back Bill Martinez here. Great to

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have you with us, sharing a part of your day

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for morning from on the show Bill Martinez Live dot Com.

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Well.

556
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His Uly released book, Jewish Roots of American Liberty, by

557
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the Bradley Prize winning Hillsdale College historian Wilford McLay and

558
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Yeshiva University's rabbi doctor Stuart Halpern, is illustrating how the

559
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free institutions that we value so much in today's America,

560
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including Christianity itself, are securely grounded in Jewish ideas, images,

561
00:28:25.240 --> 00:28:29.039
and ethics. The timing of this release of this book,

562
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you know, couldn't be more consequential in light that our

563
00:28:32.759 --> 00:28:35.440
culture and our society has been dealing with and with us.

564
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Right now to talk more about it is Bill McLay. Bill, welcome, Michelle.

565
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Good to have you with us.

566
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Thank you, Bill, and fellow Bill. I'm glad to be there.

567
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By the way, people should know that the book I

568
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wrote it publish it under the name Wilfred McLay, which

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is my given name, which.

570
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I rarely use.

571
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So when they're looking for it, which I hope they

572
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will do, look for Wilfrid.

573
00:29:01.839 --> 00:29:05.000
Right exactly, and so don't get confused. But you know

574
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the title of the book, Jewish Roots of American Liberty,

575
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So that should confirm your search there as well. And

576
00:29:10.680 --> 00:29:14.160
it's not that Wilfrid's on witness protection or anything like that.

577
00:29:14.519 --> 00:29:18.720
He's just formal because as an author, sometimes we're called

578
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to be formal.

579
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Right, right, right, and sometimes not.

580
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Yeah, I get that, yes, if you have something to hide,

581
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but in this particular case, we have lots to reveal,

582
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not to hide, right.

583
00:29:30.400 --> 00:29:37.559
Yeah, absolutely absolutely. And the God of the Bible is

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the god of revelation.

585
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So there we go, and he's and he's the god

586
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of America.

587
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Well indeed, indeed America doesn't always seem to want to

588
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recognize that fact, but we do have we have our moments.

589
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We definitely have our moment.

590
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Well, there's no question there's been a lot of pushback

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on this, but this has been going on, you know,

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for over one hundred years. You know, some people want

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to look at you know, mid sixties when prayer was

594
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taken out of school. I say, go back to when

595
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Darwinism came into play. That seemed to be a key,

596
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a door opener for people to really separate themselves and

597
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look at things more secularized. And there's just been a

598
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consistent march through the institutions and through this great American

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idea that God blessed us with.

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Yeah, I think you're right about connecting and to Darwinism

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to the sort of anthropology of modern man. You know,

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one of the things that Jews and Christians share, at

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least in their foundational beliefs, is that the belief in

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the creator God, that God created the world, that God

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has he spoke to the world and to be it,

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and he's a separate from nature, He's not part of nature,

607
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he's a separate from nature. But above all else, that

608
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we are created in His image. That that is a

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central Jewish idea, taken over, taken aboard by Christianity, formed

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around that Jewish belief and and of course Thomas Jefferson

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when he wrote the Declaration of Independence, that all men

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are created equal, right, Where.

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Does that come from?

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It's it comes from the notion that we're made in

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God's image, and we're all stamped with that divine image,

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and that's the source of our dignity of our rights.

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You know, the Declaration that says we're endowed by our

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creator with certain inalienable rights, unalienal rights actually live liberty,

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pursuits for happiness. So these rights come from the endowment

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that comes from God, that comes from God's creating us

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in his image. And so so there's you go to

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the very foundations. So what's to think of about America.

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It is this notion that we're all created equal, right,

624
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which doesn't mean we're all equal. It doesn't mean we're

625
00:32:09.599 --> 00:32:14.720
all equal in every respect. You know, I can't play

626
00:32:14.759 --> 00:32:21.079
basketball like Lebron James. I can barely see his belt buckle.

627
00:32:20.920 --> 00:32:21.319
By the look.

628
00:32:22.440 --> 00:32:26.599
But uh, but that doesn't mean we are are unequal

629
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eyes of God. So there has to be some standard

630
00:32:30.839 --> 00:32:35.920
that's not just a standard of measurements or achievements of

631
00:32:36.799 --> 00:32:42.160
any particular characteristics, but that we are endowed in our soul.

632
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With a stamp, the mark the image.

633
00:32:47.400 --> 00:32:52.240
We are image bearers exactly, and that's why every human

634
00:32:52.279 --> 00:32:53.640
life is valuable.

635
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It really is. You know, it was said that, and

636
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I think I want to say Lewis who said, and

637
00:33:02.279 --> 00:33:05.000
understanding the concept that we were made in the image

638
00:33:05.039 --> 00:33:08.079
of God, it caused him to respond that I've never

639
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met a mere mortal.

640
00:33:10.519 --> 00:33:12.440
Yes, never been an ordinary person.

641
00:33:12.759 --> 00:33:16.720
Yeah right, yeah, I mean you think about that. I

642
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mean to realize the person that you are in contact

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with that's sitting across the table perhaps, or maybe you're

644
00:33:24.920 --> 00:33:28.359
standing up having a conversation. Uh, we should be in

645
00:33:28.440 --> 00:33:34.799
awe that here is this wonderful expression manifestation of Creator

646
00:33:34.880 --> 00:33:39.559
God right before us. You know, and I think that unfortunately,

647
00:33:39.799 --> 00:33:43.079
the human consciousness as such is that, as you said earlier,

648
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you know, we think, or you kind of inferred, is

649
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that we think competitively and we want to think of

650
00:33:49.039 --> 00:33:51.720
the other person as being less than instead of more than.

651
00:33:52.160 --> 00:33:54.759
And God says you're neither. You're neither less than, you're

652
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neither more than.

653
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Yes, And you know, this looks forward to as a

654
00:33:58.960 --> 00:34:01.839
way of thinking about when Jesus says, what you do

655
00:34:02.079 --> 00:34:05.000
to the least of us, you do to me, right,

656
00:34:05.039 --> 00:34:07.799
it's his way of saying that at least of us,

657
00:34:08.320 --> 00:34:13.679
that individual as bears the image just the same as

658
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you do, and address my image as the co equal

659
00:34:20.079 --> 00:34:21.519
person of the trinity.

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So you treat everybody with the same awe respect that

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you're talking about.

662
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To me. It's a perspective of holiness because God intended

663
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us to be you know, self contained, to be holy

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as He is holy, and that's what we strive to

665
00:34:42.840 --> 00:34:45.920
do in this fallen world. And he understands that we're

666
00:34:46.159 --> 00:34:48.360
living in this fallen world and we're going to have

667
00:34:48.400 --> 00:34:51.079
those unholy moments because as soon as you say and

668
00:34:51.199 --> 00:34:53.960
want to be holy, rightsay, I want to be holy,

669
00:34:54.000 --> 00:34:57.239
then all the pressures are against you to be you know,

670
00:34:57.280 --> 00:34:59.079
as unholy as you possibly can be.

671
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Yeah.

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00:35:00.519 --> 00:35:03.239
Well, you know, I'd like to talk also about another

673
00:35:03.320 --> 00:35:08.239
way that the Jewish tradition connects with America, and that

674
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is the Exodus. Yes, the story of the Exodus, which

675
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is and I don't know whether you have a copy

676
00:35:16.079 --> 00:35:17.599
of the book handy, but if you look at the

677
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cover of the.

678
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Book, yes, I do.

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We have a depiction of Yeah, you can show it

680
00:35:22.599 --> 00:35:24.480
to the audience that you may not be able to

681
00:35:24.519 --> 00:35:29.960
see it very well, but it's a depiction of Moses holding.

682
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His arms up and surrounded by the Israelites.

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And then on the other shore is Pharaoh is wearing

684
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a crown that looks very eighteenth century, and he is

685
00:35:44.280 --> 00:35:49.400
being swamped by along with his fellow Egyptian soldiers, by

686
00:35:49.639 --> 00:35:53.159
the waters that are returning after having been parted.

687
00:35:52.719 --> 00:36:01.559
By to enable the Israelites to go from slavery to freedom. Well,

688
00:36:01.719 --> 00:36:04.639
here's the interesting thing, and everybody knows that story in

689
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some version or others. Thomas Jefferson, who was not a

690
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particularly religious man, and Benjamin Franklin, who similarly it was

691
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a little more favorably incline, but they were the ones

692
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that wanted to make the Seal of the United States

693
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the Great Seal of the United States. Have that image,

694
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that image, that's that a version of that image that's

695
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on the cover of the book book.

696
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My book.

697
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And why would they do that? Why would they? Well,

698
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because Jefferson did write about this a little bit he

699
00:36:39.480 --> 00:36:47.000
saw because he he he adopted batto that he and

700
00:36:47.000 --> 00:36:51.719
Franklin proposed for the Seal, which was rebellion to tyrants

701
00:36:51.920 --> 00:36:56.440
is obedience to God. And Jefferson liked that so much

702
00:36:56.440 --> 00:36:58.679
he made it his own personal motel, on his own

703
00:36:58.719 --> 00:36:59.599
personal seal.

704
00:37:00.440 --> 00:37:01.719
So what's going on.

705
00:37:01.719 --> 00:37:06.400
Here is that he saw this movement out of slavery

706
00:37:06.400 --> 00:37:10.880
in Egypt under the aegis of God. Two of the

707
00:37:11.000 --> 00:37:16.199
Promised Land was a figure, a metaphor and allegory for

708
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the whole limit of the human race.

709
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But she saw the American Revolution as marking a decisive

710
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moment in proclaiming the equality of all men, and that

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they said in one of his letters that there aren't

712
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some people who with saddles.

713
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On their backs and others worn with booths and spurs.

714
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To ride them. I'm not going out exactly, but that's

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the image. And you know, in other words, there's not

716
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a sort of hiroarch.

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Hey, we're back by your fourteen minutes before the top

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of the hour of Bill Martinez here with Wilfrid maclay

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formally Bill McClay in our casual conversation.

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Yez, yeah, that's right, and we're.

803
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Talking about his just released book, Jewish Roots of American Liberty.

804
00:42:51.280 --> 00:42:53.760
And as you were saying before the break, Bill, is

805
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that you have this interesting you know, and I think

806
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it was revelation. I think it was God speaking to,

807
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you know, to founders of this great American idea that

808
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he was going to use them to, you know, to

809
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really codify this concept of liberty and freedom and things

810
00:43:13.760 --> 00:43:18.159
that really, you know, we could see glimpses of it certainly,

811
00:43:18.599 --> 00:43:21.559
you know, in the Jewish faith and Jewish tradition, but

812
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this was taking it to a whole new level. This

813
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is post Jesus, this is after Jesus coming, and really

814
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I think introducing the total concept of freedom and liberty

815
00:43:35.039 --> 00:43:38.559
and what that meant and even the exodist of being

816
00:43:38.679 --> 00:43:42.360
you know, taken out of slavery and even going through

817
00:43:42.400 --> 00:43:44.639
the forty years in the desert. It wasn't something that

818
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was going to happen overnight. It was a process that

819
00:43:47.000 --> 00:43:50.119
you had to go through in order to come to

820
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the Promised Land, right.

821
00:43:52.400 --> 00:43:57.320
Yes, yes, well, I mean I think that they you know,

822
00:43:57.440 --> 00:44:02.360
rebellion to tires is obedience to God. You can affirms rebellion,

823
00:44:02.440 --> 00:44:02.679
but it.

824
00:44:02.599 --> 00:44:04.320
Also affirms obedience to God.

825
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And yes, you know, this is one of the things

826
00:44:06.400 --> 00:44:10.760
about the Hebrew Bible, about the Jewish foundation, at the

827
00:44:10.920 --> 00:44:16.079
very bottom, at the very foundational core of our experience

828
00:44:16.280 --> 00:44:21.599
is that Jewish understanding of God is that we don't

829
00:44:21.639 --> 00:44:26.440
go with the flow of nature. We have certain commandments.

830
00:44:26.920 --> 00:44:31.559
Human life is sacred, the destruction of human life, including

831
00:44:31.639 --> 00:44:36.079
child sacrifice, which was a very strong characteristic of pagan

832
00:44:36.199 --> 00:44:38.840
life and romans, you know, and fanticide.

833
00:44:39.440 --> 00:44:40.239
Father had that.

834
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Kind of authority in the family, so that we are

835
00:44:44.119 --> 00:44:50.360
to be governed in things like eating and sexuality by

836
00:44:52.400 --> 00:44:56.880
God's commandments, not by our wishes, not by our appetizers,

837
00:44:57.039 --> 00:45:01.840
which are a form of slavery. Now, the there's wonderful

838
00:45:01.880 --> 00:45:06.480
psalms and talk about how the true happiness is in

839
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walking with the Lord. It's an obedience to his precepts.

840
00:45:10.239 --> 00:45:15.440
And this this is a different orientation to the world,

841
00:45:15.519 --> 00:45:19.079
A different anthropology, if you will, a different understanding of

842
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what it means to be human.

843
00:45:20.320 --> 00:45:24.719
That we are not to see ourselves strictly as a

844
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product of nature, which in naturalism says kind of calls

845
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on us to do that.

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And the laws of nature are the ones, are the ones,

847
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the only ones that apply. Understanding is that we we

848
00:45:42.840 --> 00:45:47.559
we are to command nature, we are to superintend nature,

849
00:45:49.000 --> 00:45:52.840
and that the preservation and respect of human life is

850
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an imperative. And because we're made in the image of God,

851
00:45:59.039 --> 00:46:03.440
made in God's the image of the Creator, the natural

852
00:46:03.480 --> 00:46:04.440
world has given.

853
00:46:05.599 --> 00:46:09.159
Well. Bill, you know in your book, you and the

854
00:46:09.199 --> 00:46:11.360
Rabbi have done the homework for a lot of people

855
00:46:11.400 --> 00:46:14.400
who have been lazy heretofore. And these are the people

856
00:46:14.440 --> 00:46:17.400
who have gotten caught up in this uh. You know,

857
00:46:17.519 --> 00:46:18.960
this narrative.

858
00:46:19.639 --> 00:46:19.800
Uh.

859
00:46:19.880 --> 00:46:23.920
And I'd say a false narrative that America had little

860
00:46:23.960 --> 00:46:27.840
to do. And there's little connection between the foundational principles

861
00:46:27.840 --> 00:46:33.000
that you know, helped to draft and and codify the

862
00:46:33.039 --> 00:46:35.719
Declaration of Independence and the Constitution of it, you know,

863
00:46:36.000 --> 00:46:37.119
of our United States.

864
00:46:37.199 --> 00:46:38.840
Right. Oh yeah.

865
00:46:38.960 --> 00:46:41.960
One other thing that I think deserves to be mentioned

866
00:46:42.039 --> 00:46:46.800
is that George Washington was the founder of Founders. Right

867
00:46:46.840 --> 00:46:51.800
after he became president, he had a correspondence with a

868
00:46:51.920 --> 00:46:58.239
number of different synagogues Jewish religious establishments up and now

869
00:46:58.280 --> 00:47:02.760
the East Coast, and especially there's one in particular with

870
00:47:02.880 --> 00:47:07.760
the congregation in Newport, Rhode Island, which was actually a

871
00:47:07.800 --> 00:47:11.000
major trading center at that time, and it didn't didn't

872
00:47:11.079 --> 00:47:13.320
quite work out in the long run, but Newport was

873
00:47:13.440 --> 00:47:14.280
very important.

874
00:47:13.920 --> 00:47:16.480
To it had a significant Jewish population.

875
00:47:17.480 --> 00:47:23.719
And he wrote to this congregation saying, actually, maybe I should.

876
00:47:25.000 --> 00:47:26.480
Yeah right.

877
00:47:28.559 --> 00:47:39.480
Uh. He was the message to yah h, this is

878
00:47:39.519 --> 00:47:42.800
the United States have a right to have them this

879
00:47:43.039 --> 00:47:44.039
policy for.

880
00:47:44.159 --> 00:47:58.960
The imitation okay, pretty conscious and the communities of ass

881
00:48:00.119 --> 00:48:04.440
now that the exercise inherent bill. I'm going to have

882
00:48:04.480 --> 00:48:05.400
that bill.

883
00:48:05.440 --> 00:48:07.599
I'm gonna have you. I'm going to have you repeat

884
00:48:07.599 --> 00:48:10.360
that only because you're you're it was breaking up.

885
00:48:10.920 --> 00:48:15.719
Oh, I'm sorry, I'm sorry. All right, Uh, all possess

886
00:48:15.760 --> 00:48:20.760
alike liberty of conscience and immunities of citizenship. It is

887
00:48:20.880 --> 00:48:24.800
now no more that toleration is spoken as if it

888
00:48:24.880 --> 00:48:27.559
was by the indulgence of one class of people in

889
00:48:27.639 --> 00:48:31.360
another enjoyed the exercise their inherent rights.

890
00:48:32.440 --> 00:48:33.440
No, the government of.

891
00:48:33.360 --> 00:48:37.440
The United States gives to bigotry, no sanction to persecution,

892
00:48:37.639 --> 00:48:41.239
no assistance, requires only that those who live under.

893
00:48:41.039 --> 00:48:44.599
Its protection could demean themselves as good citizens. And then

894
00:48:44.639 --> 00:48:48.000
he goes on to say, may the children of the

895
00:48:48.039 --> 00:48:51.000
stock of Abraham a term for.

896
00:48:51.119 --> 00:48:54.239
Jews right to dwell in this continued to merit and

897
00:48:54.360 --> 00:48:58.119
enjoy the goodwill of the other inhabitants. And then he

898
00:48:58.199 --> 00:49:04.039
goes on, it's it's a fantastic it's a beautiful endorsement

899
00:49:04.199 --> 00:49:06.320
of the Jews as one.

900
00:49:06.519 --> 00:49:08.960
Percent of Americans exactly.

901
00:49:09.119 --> 00:49:12.559
And he does this with all all the other congregations,

902
00:49:12.559 --> 00:49:16.119
but the one from Newport is especially famous because he says,

903
00:49:16.400 --> 00:49:18.400
is now no more than not going.

904
00:49:18.320 --> 00:49:21.599
To just tolerate you.

905
00:49:19.400 --> 00:49:26.440
You're you are equal, you are free to worship, and

906
00:49:26.960 --> 00:49:30.000
we have respect for the stock of Abraham, the children

907
00:49:30.039 --> 00:49:35.320
of the stock of Abraham, which Christians actually consider themselves

908
00:49:35.360 --> 00:49:36.239
to be children of.

909
00:49:36.199 --> 00:49:41.639
Abraham too, to faith. But uh, you know, we won't

910
00:49:41.639 --> 00:49:43.119
get into that fine point.

911
00:49:43.239 --> 00:49:45.320
But Bill, what, why do you why do you think

912
00:49:45.360 --> 00:49:49.199
he was inspired to say that? Because it sounds inspirational.

913
00:49:49.800 --> 00:49:53.760
It was something you know that almost was deposited into

914
00:49:53.800 --> 00:49:56.880
his mind from God himself, to thank well, to thank

915
00:49:56.920 --> 00:49:58.280
the origins of America.

916
00:49:59.800 --> 00:50:04.000
He definitely, you know that it's possible. It's possible.

917
00:50:04.119 --> 00:50:12.000
It definitely reflects an idea of freedom that it involves

918
00:50:13.039 --> 00:50:17.320
free choice of individuals, but choice in the choice of

919
00:50:17.599 --> 00:50:22.239
how they will carry out their duty to God, their

920
00:50:22.320 --> 00:50:26.079
duty to worship God, to their duty to obey God.

921
00:50:26.960 --> 00:50:30.440
And that I think is key for him that that.

922
00:50:32.320 --> 00:50:35.760
As as it was understood in the founding, freedom as

923
00:50:35.760 --> 00:50:40.360
it was understood by the ancient Hebrews, is not do

924
00:50:40.480 --> 00:50:41.360
whatever you want.

925
00:50:43.199 --> 00:50:46.199
It's not Freedom's just another word for nothing left to lose.

926
00:50:46.760 --> 00:50:54.079
Freedom is the freedom to live within God's righteous and

927
00:50:54.159 --> 00:50:58.039
good and holy and fruitful commandments.

928
00:50:58.519 --> 00:51:01.519
So that's that's that's part of our history.

929
00:51:01.519 --> 00:51:03.639
If you look at there's a great article in our

930
00:51:03.679 --> 00:51:09.920
book about how how much the Framers reference the Bible

931
00:51:10.559 --> 00:51:13.599
in thinking about how they were going to organize our

932
00:51:13.639 --> 00:51:14.559
form of government.

933
00:51:15.920 --> 00:51:17.880
It's just you you got to think, you gotta think

934
00:51:17.880 --> 00:51:21.639
about this. They're starting out with a white sheet of paper.

935
00:51:22.079 --> 00:51:25.639
It's blank. It's not like they're borrowing some constitution from

936
00:51:25.679 --> 00:51:29.039
somebody else. They're starting with a clean slate. And what

937
00:51:29.079 --> 00:51:33.000
they're bringing to bear on this is their past experience

938
00:51:33.079 --> 00:51:36.800
with different governments. They're studying other forms of government, and

939
00:51:36.920 --> 00:51:39.599
of all the things, what do they land on. Mostly

940
00:51:39.960 --> 00:51:44.119
they land on you know, Hebrew tradition and Hebrew law,

941
00:51:44.559 --> 00:51:48.519
which came from scripture. And that seemed to warm right.

942
00:51:48.639 --> 00:51:51.079
I mean, because when you look at the Constitution, you

943
00:51:51.119 --> 00:51:56.320
see Leviticus, you see Deuteronomy, you see you know, you

944
00:51:56.599 --> 00:52:01.760
see the Old Testament scripture references. Uh, maybe not directly,

945
00:52:01.840 --> 00:52:03.320
but certainly connected.

946
00:52:04.400 --> 00:52:07.599
It's it's in the air, it's in the water, it's

947
00:52:07.719 --> 00:52:11.400
in the very substance of their of their minds and

948
00:52:11.440 --> 00:52:12.960
soul's spirits.

949
00:52:13.360 --> 00:52:13.880
Uh.

950
00:52:14.079 --> 00:52:18.119
And in some ways it's an inheritance uh, from many

951
00:52:18.159 --> 00:52:20.400
many generations.

952
00:52:20.840 --> 00:52:23.760
Well, you know, and today you have this conflict in

953
00:52:23.840 --> 00:52:27.079
this you know, growing anti Semitism and they want to

954
00:52:27.360 --> 00:52:31.440
you know, divide Christians from Jews, and you know, and

955
00:52:31.480 --> 00:52:34.639
that's typical of you know, the human experience. There's nothing

956
00:52:34.679 --> 00:52:37.800
new under the sun. This has been done before. But

957
00:52:37.960 --> 00:52:40.960
like I said earlier, Uh, you and the rabbi have

958
00:52:41.039 --> 00:52:44.360
done a lot of homework for people who want to know,

959
00:52:44.559 --> 00:52:46.599
because they say, at the end of the day, you

960
00:52:46.679 --> 00:52:50.159
must own your own knowledge. You know, you're responsible for

961
00:52:50.239 --> 00:52:52.440
what you know, right and what you don't.

962
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Absolutely, Yeah, yeah, well, that's right, and I think we

963
00:52:56.719 --> 00:53:03.840
had two goals. We wanted Jews to feel more comfortable

964
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with there being American but we also want Americans to

965
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acknowledge the gift that Americans.

966
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Given a great gift to the Jews. It's the safest

967
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place that they've had before they had their own nation.

968
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And even that is a very you know, perilous, conflicted thing.

969
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It is a place of safety many Jews fertile. America

970
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is the Promised Land. And so America has done great

971
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things for the Jews, but the Jews have done great

972
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things for America.

973
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That's the other side. They're trying to press both things

974
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with the.

975
00:53:43.119 --> 00:53:45.599
Well, we're back to the abraham blessing. You know, those

976
00:53:45.599 --> 00:53:48.559
who bless is Real will be blessed. Those who curse

977
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curse America has blessed Israel.

978
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Yeah, and you see the results.

979
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Yeah, exactly. Well, we have to leave it there. Bill,

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thank you so much. I so appreciate you coming on

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uh his newly released book Jewish Roots of American Liberty

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by the Bradley Prize winning Hillsdale College historian Wilfrid McLay.

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Bill McLay and Yeshiva University's Rabbi doctor Stuart Halpern illustrates

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how the free institutions that we value so much in

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today's America, including Christianity itself, are securely grounded in Jewish ideas.

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And when you read this book, it will come with

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additional clarity as as we said, as you take the

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responsibility of owning your own knowledge.

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Right Bill, absolutely, and and and and owning in a

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sense that you felize you've always had it.

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Yeah, it's already.

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It's already been in the in the stories you know,

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and in uh, in things that you just never thought of.

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In this way, it's the blessing I hope may be

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Yes, amen, Amen, I love it. Uh. Bill m clay,

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thank you for being with us.

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Take care, godless, Thank you, Bob, God bless you too.

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Bill Martinez Live, Hey.

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Merry Christmas to you right now. Six minutes after the

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top there are Bill Martinez here with Atrs Grover norquizt

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Hey Grover, good morning to you.

1025
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Didn't wanting good to be with you, always good.

1026
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To be with you. The President's speech very probably one

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of the best speeches I think I've heard given recent era.

1028
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Short and to the point.

1029
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Yeah, it was.

1030
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Look, he made the point that we are trying to

1031
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climb out of a hole that was dog Clyde Biden

1032
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and before that eight years of Obama Rick we forget

1033
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of Kamba, but more recently Biden's in placement. But what

1034
00:56:57.480 --> 00:57:02.400
Obama did was sattle this with Obama, which unlike its

1035
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promise by President Obama that you could keep your doctor

1036
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that wasn't true, and the more important promise that the

1037
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twenty four hundred dollars you would be saving for a

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family on every year. In point of fact, prices didn't

1039
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go down because of Obamacare. They went up by more

1040
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than one hundred percent. They more than doubled. And that's

1041
00:57:25.719 --> 00:57:29.280
the problem that we're running into. So healthcare is too expensive,

1042
00:57:29.920 --> 00:57:33.840
and somehow the president who just showed up tried to

1043
00:57:33.840 --> 00:57:37.000
reform it, but the Democrats wouldn't let him back in

1044
00:57:37.000 --> 00:57:39.920
his first term, and in the second term we cut

1045
00:57:39.960 --> 00:57:43.840
off the bailout, which hit the problems and allows us

1046
00:57:43.880 --> 00:57:49.559
to begin to face facts. Obamacare is the problem. It

1047
00:57:49.599 --> 00:57:51.920
can't be fixed, It needs to be replaced.

1048
00:57:52.559 --> 00:57:56.760
Well, there was some philosophy within the Obama administration that

1049
00:57:57.239 --> 00:58:04.519
really rendered and neutered America's industry and power asset, which

1050
00:58:04.559 --> 00:58:10.159
is its people. If you remember, Grover Obama's vision of

1051
00:58:10.199 --> 00:58:13.719
America was about a two percent GDP. He said, it's there.

1052
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You can't do anything better than two percent. That was

1053
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the depth of his vision of the potentiality of the

1054
00:58:21.039 --> 00:58:23.280
greatest asset that we have here in America, which is

1055
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our labor force. And he just reduced it to its

1056
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lowest common denominator. And he took the wind out of

1057
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their sales. And look what happened when Trump came into

1058
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office the first time, all of a sudden, employment was energized.

1059
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People were excited, they were back to work, they were

1060
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dreaming big dreams again until COVID came. And the Democrats,

1061
00:58:41.400 --> 00:58:43.480
of course, they couldn't have none of that. You know,

1062
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you can't have the middle class reviving again because Obama

1063
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had done everything he could to murder the middle class.

1064
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Right, yes, Look, the Democrats don't trust somebody who doesn't

1065
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depend on them. That's why they came up with the

1066
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Great Society. Was to give welfare to people rather than

1067
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a job welfare to people, so they'll dependent on the

1068
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Democratic Party. He thought he had bought control of Congress

1069
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forever by putting so many people on government doll for

1070
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health care, for food, and what they first have to

1071
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do is have to break your leg and then tell

1072
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you that they'll fix it, and then break it again

1073
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so you don't get out of the chair and do

1074
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what you want to do. Is that wonderful movie book

1075
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or Awful Misery where that's exactly where somebody does to

1076
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keep them in the house. Every time they get better,

1077
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they break the guy's leg. That's what welfare does. It

1078
00:59:42.280 --> 00:59:44.199
gives you enough to get by, it gives you enough

1079
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food to get by, but it makes it impossible. They're

1080
00:59:47.880 --> 00:59:49.880
very difficult for you to get up and get a

1081
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job and become self contained. Why did Obama spend so

1082
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much time saying you didn't build that to the small

1083
00:59:58.480 --> 01:00:02.119
businessman who obviously did build it. And he would come

1084
01:00:02.159 --> 01:00:04.599
up with weird arguments like, well, you know the roads

1085
01:00:04.599 --> 01:00:08.199
were built by the government, well taxpayers, but by the government. Okay,

1086
01:00:08.679 --> 01:00:10.440
but Bill Gates has roads.

1087
01:00:10.519 --> 01:00:11.320
I have roads.

1088
01:00:11.320 --> 01:00:15.360
We all have roads. Somehow Bill built Microsoft. It's not

1089
01:00:15.480 --> 01:00:19.880
just roads. And the same thing with public education. So

1090
01:00:20.639 --> 01:00:23.639
he was literally trying to say it's okay to steal

1091
01:00:23.840 --> 01:00:27.880
from successful people because they didn't earn it. Okay, it's

1092
01:00:28.000 --> 01:00:31.159
all luck. And that was a very big drive. All

1093
01:00:31.239 --> 01:00:35.679
during their effort, the Democrats used to say, we know

1094
01:00:35.679 --> 01:00:38.639
how to make poor people successful. That's what there was

1095
01:00:38.679 --> 01:00:40.679
the argument, Okay, we're going to do that. And then

1096
01:00:40.719 --> 01:00:43.079
they spent fifty years with a Great Society proving they

1097
01:00:43.079 --> 01:00:45.800
have no idea. There was no improvement in the lives

1098
01:00:45.840 --> 01:00:47.920
of the people that they said they were helpful.

1099
01:00:47.920 --> 01:00:52.840
It's just the opposite, right, I mean, was it. Our

1100
01:00:53.159 --> 01:00:59.320
friend Charles Woodson with the Wodson Institute has the facts

1101
01:00:59.360 --> 01:01:01.840
and the receipts. He says, hey, this was this was

1102
01:01:01.880 --> 01:01:08.039
Black America up until the Great Society adventure of Lyndon

1103
01:01:08.079 --> 01:01:11.400
Baines Johnson. And then look what happened. You know, marriage,

1104
01:01:11.440 --> 01:01:13.920
I mean you had, you know what, a three percent

1105
01:01:13.960 --> 01:01:16.400
divorce rate in the black community. Now all of a sudden,

1106
01:01:16.400 --> 01:01:18.719
in a matter of short time, you got what ninety

1107
01:01:18.719 --> 01:01:21.840
percent divorce rate, fatherlessness, and on and on.

1108
01:01:23.079 --> 01:01:25.519
Yeah, all those things were brought to you by the government,

1109
01:01:26.119 --> 01:01:26.360
all of.

1110
01:01:26.320 --> 01:01:29.039
Them by the Democrats. The Democrats.

1111
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Yeah, you're right, you're right, the Democrats using the government,

1112
01:01:33.280 --> 01:01:36.639
and they should be ashamed of themselves.

1113
01:01:36.800 --> 01:01:37.239
They should.

1114
01:01:37.800 --> 01:01:40.880
We need to correct the history there to make sure

1115
01:01:40.920 --> 01:01:44.920
people understand. Uh, my daughter came from public school in

1116
01:01:45.000 --> 01:01:49.440
d C. And said, we're studying that the the nuclear family.

1117
01:01:49.519 --> 01:01:51.760
Said that's a very interesting question because different cultures do

1118
01:01:51.840 --> 01:01:56.599
different things about grandparents and are you know and she

1119
01:01:56.639 --> 01:02:00.079
explained that the nuclear family was this white thing. So

1120
01:02:00.119 --> 01:02:04.079
at their teachermen's school, Yeah, well, they certainly went to

1121
01:02:04.119 --> 01:02:06.480
war on the nuclear family, on the Black Committee through

1122
01:02:06.920 --> 01:02:08.360
government welfare programs.

1123
01:02:08.840 --> 01:02:11.239
Yeah, but look at look at that, how how they

1124
01:02:11.239 --> 01:02:15.159
try to blame the white whiteness and this whole whiteness

1125
01:02:15.199 --> 01:02:18.159
stuff when here we are, I mean, we are a

1126
01:02:18.199 --> 01:02:21.719
country of immigrants, mostly Europeans, and I don't see Europeans

1127
01:02:21.760 --> 01:02:23.760
being all white, do you. I mean, am I missing

1128
01:02:23.840 --> 01:02:25.960
something in terms of the color and the rainbow and

1129
01:02:26.000 --> 01:02:28.119
the spectrum in that something I didn't learn in school.

1130
01:02:28.719 --> 01:02:31.000
Well, only in the United States do we refer to

1131
01:02:31.039 --> 01:02:34.079
Africans as black. In Africa, they've all got their own tribe,

1132
01:02:34.400 --> 01:02:37.400
they've all got their own countries. Uh, they see it

1133
01:02:37.440 --> 01:02:40.159
completely differently, to the point where sometimes they don't like

1134
01:02:40.199 --> 01:02:41.039
each other very much.

1135
01:02:42.239 --> 01:02:46.119
Just like just like the Somalis they're in Minnesota too,

1136
01:02:46.199 --> 01:02:48.000
same thing with their tribal.

1137
01:02:47.599 --> 01:02:51.280
Wars, the British and the Germans. You know, they're all white.

1138
01:02:51.519 --> 01:02:53.760
They spent a lot of time killing each other. They

1139
01:02:53.960 --> 01:02:58.400
for crying out. They they're not the same. It's the

1140
01:02:58.480 --> 01:03:01.400
Democrats have adopted race as a way to divide people,

1141
01:03:01.760 --> 01:03:05.239
and so they like racism. They just pretend that there's

1142
01:03:05.280 --> 01:03:06.280
just anti racism.

1143
01:03:07.039 --> 01:03:11.480
It's racism, yes, yeah, And that's of course, as you

1144
01:03:11.960 --> 01:03:15.119
see Kamala Harris trying to become relevant again, and she

1145
01:03:15.159 --> 01:03:18.360
can't help herself. She just has the race card to

1146
01:03:18.400 --> 01:03:21.800
the ready. You know, all these all these blacks, Oprah Winfrey,

1147
01:03:22.320 --> 01:03:25.159
I mean, uh and Whoopee Goldberg. I mean, everything is

1148
01:03:25.239 --> 01:03:29.320
always about race. And it's like please, I mean, I'm

1149
01:03:29.320 --> 01:03:31.239
done with this. I mean, you've been gas lighting us

1150
01:03:31.280 --> 01:03:34.920
for decades. The party's over, you know, just go ahead.

1151
01:03:35.320 --> 01:03:38.159
I mean, like, like the it cracked me up. The

1152
01:03:38.159 --> 01:03:40.760
other day, I was watching the NBA and they were

1153
01:03:40.840 --> 01:03:45.599
they were talking about equality. Now here's the NBA that

1154
01:03:45.960 --> 01:03:49.840
doesn't believe in equality. They believe in merit. Because if

1155
01:03:49.880 --> 01:03:52.840
you cannot sink a three footer and if you can't

1156
01:03:52.840 --> 01:03:56.000
make free throws, you're not in the NBA very long. Now,

1157
01:03:56.119 --> 01:04:00.400
if they stood under that banner of equality, it wouldn't matter, right,

1158
01:04:01.519 --> 01:04:02.280
So it's a joke.

1159
01:04:04.239 --> 01:04:07.800
Yeah, I do remember Hyakala, I believe is his name,

1160
01:04:07.920 --> 01:04:12.920
the Republican senator from California, have Japanese descent.

1161
01:04:13.159 --> 01:04:13.760
Very short.

1162
01:04:14.519 --> 01:04:16.679
When somebody was throwing around the racist thing, he said, well,

1163
01:04:16.840 --> 01:04:19.599
he thought it was very unfair that the basketball leagues

1164
01:04:19.599 --> 01:04:26.400
were all mostly black and not Asian America and making

1165
01:04:26.519 --> 01:04:29.400
fun of the left efforts on race.

1166
01:04:29.559 --> 01:04:30.039
On race.

1167
01:04:30.800 --> 01:04:33.000
Yeah, I mean, well it's absurd because like anything else

1168
01:04:33.000 --> 01:04:35.960
that they don't really see what they've done. They've really

1169
01:04:36.400 --> 01:04:40.519
have joined ranks with the educational system that's dumb down

1170
01:04:40.800 --> 01:04:43.760
our children and America to the point that says, hey,

1171
01:04:43.760 --> 01:04:45.440
look at you know, don't do any of that critical

1172
01:04:45.480 --> 01:04:49.000
thinking thing. You know that's bad for you, don't you know,

1173
01:04:49.079 --> 01:04:51.199
you don't need to think because we're here. We do

1174
01:04:51.280 --> 01:04:54.719
all the thinking for you. And they've been such done

1175
01:04:54.719 --> 01:04:56.519
such a great job for us. Look at they got

1176
01:04:56.559 --> 01:05:00.559
a thirty eight trillion dollars in debt. I'm the mess

1177
01:05:00.599 --> 01:05:03.960
that has been covered, you know, has been done to

1178
01:05:04.079 --> 01:05:07.840
us by the government is incalculable. Grover, anyway, we got

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01:05:08.159 --> 01:05:09.320
to go to quick break. We'll pick it up on

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warriors of America.

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Hunt.

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Donald Trump game a big kiss last night. Seventy six

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nice little bonus, huh Christmas bonus.

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Yeah, that was very helpful on his parties. Obviously takes

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the army of their armforces very seriously.

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Yeah. I mean, and they said, and it wasn't like

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they had to wait for it. I think the money

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was already sent out, you know, by the time the

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speech was he says, hey, it's already out there. So

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he probably had to get it out there before the

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Democrats could say, well, well wait a minute, that's our money. Right.

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They claim everything.

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And I think one of the things that's gotten more

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attention because Dell of Dell Computers and his wife are

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contributing over six billion dollars into the Trump accounts. Trump

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accounts are where starting six months from now, they should

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get into next year. Every parent can set up an

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account and put money into it for their children, but

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also the government's going to start off for everybody born

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in the next five years. I'll get a thousand dollars

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into each of those as starter accounts. This is where

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mister Dell, founder of Dell Computers said, I'm going to

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get twenty five million more people because this is for

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people now, It's not for people who were born a

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couple of years ago. So this work it backwards so

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that more kids have it. Two, three, four, five year olds.

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As you do that, and now there are other successful

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creators of wealth and of jobs saying that they're going

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to do the same sort of thing. You can imagine

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a billionaire out of Tennessee deciding to do it for

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all the children of Tennessee. Then what this will do is,

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you know, you can put up to five thousand dollars

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into an account each year for a child. Your employer

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can put it in. It's not taxed. If your company,

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the company worked for made a contribution, that wouldn't be taxed.

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If you.

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It wouldn't be tax when it goes in, So it

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goes in tax free. So it's easier for people to

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do kind of like healthcare. Government corporate healthcare go straight

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through not text. This is something that's going to have

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a whole generation who when they get to be five, seven, ten, eleven,

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will be very aware that their money increases each year

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because it's in the stock market. They'll understand that stock

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market is in ways that other kids, older kids don't know,

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don't understand it. So and people can prepare for everything

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from health insurance in the future to the house to education.

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If you put five thousand dollars in for eighteen years,

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when you got to be sixty five or six hundred

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thousand dollars there, So this really Benjamin Franklin pointed out

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that this is the most powerful thing in the world

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is compound interest.

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Compound I was going to say, we love compound interests.

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Can you imagine these six graders coming to school with

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their portfolios.

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Well, just even understanding that much of economics would put

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them ahead of Biden and Obama and most of the

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Democrats exactly.

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And it will let them realize that capitalism is a big,

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beautiful thing. And again it makes them more self reliant,

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It gives them a vision. That's what I love about this.

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I know that several years that probably over ten years ago,

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some of these ivy League schools. Grover were giving people

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an opportunity saying, when your child was born, you could

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actually pay for their tuition in advance. Right. I love that.

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I love that idea because you imagine the kids growing

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up and there they are. They wake up every day

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and there's a Harvard you know, Pennant in their bedroom.

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You know, the vision is being cast usc banners or whatever,

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you know kind of thing, because their education is already

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paid for in advance. Of course, they still have to

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earn it, They've got to, but it keeps them focused

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on the job at hand, and that is, hey, stay

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in school, get good grades, and your education's paid for. Yeah.

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Getting people to understand how the business world works. It

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often people in when I was in grade school, in

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high school, they lied to us all the time. I

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mean I knew it because my dad worked for a

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company and I'd learned about it at home at the

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dinner table. I learned nothing about economics or a business

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or how jobs are created in a public k through Trove.

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Yeah.

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Well, the deal is basically the educational system is really

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the backbone of it. All is socialistic, isn't it, Grover?

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Well, it is, Well, what do you expect from a

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government monopoly. They're not cable. They think the government monopoly

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is a good idea. They run one, they live in one.

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Uh, but then they're so why would they teach anything else.

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That's my point. You know, our kids are effected by

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that's that is there, that is their conditioned mindset and

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their ideology.

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I think that we're approaching government failures and the government

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monopoly failures in education, in healthcare, we need alternatives, private

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sectoral alternatives to Obamacare. You could subsidize Obamacare all day

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long and it wouldn't get any better. You can subsidize

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the public school system more and more, and we have

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for we have fifty years of experience of doing this,

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and nothing gets better. In fact, things get worse in

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terms of educational success and allowing people to have school choice.

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Now twelve or fourteen states have universal school choice, where

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if the government spends sixteen thousand per child, eight of

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that can go with your child to any school they

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want to. Now, someday that should be all sixteen. Why

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would your child only get half as much and leave

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the money in a failed public school? What are they

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going to do with it? But at some point it

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should be whatever the state says they're going to spend

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on your kids' education should follow in his or her

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backpack to any homeschool, private school, charter school, a government

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school down the road that's better, okay, or the one

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you're in if you like it. You know, there are

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some that work out, okay. And my guess is the

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more competition the government schools have, the better they'll become.

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That's like everything Grover, whether we're talking healthcare right is

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and that you and I talked about this last week,

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and that is you open it up. We're able to

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buy insurance across state lines. That opens up. I mean,

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that is going to have a huge effect on the

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cost you know, the PBMs, these pharmaceutical benefit managers. I mean,

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what a what a rig system that is. I mean,

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you get all this waste and fraud out of out

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of government and out of the operating system. And it

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could be fantastic. I mean, lots of things could be

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big and beautiful.

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Then right they are, and again it takes a while.

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Step by step, we're getting school choice. That's that's a

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fight at the state level. But there was something in

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there that allows for people to make private contributions to

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help kids go to private school through the public system,

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through the federal government. The Trump Bill of last year,

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the great, big Beautiful Bill, made that more possible for

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people to have. And of certainly, health savings accounts give

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you more choice buying health insurance across state lines, gives

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you more choice fifty choices, which you know not fifty

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is better than one.

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Right, yeah, exactly, Well, you know, and the thing is,

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as you said and you alluded to, is that the

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Big Beautiful Bill and these things that Trump and the

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Republicans have voted in and have enacted, it's taken a

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little bit of time, you know, And it's amazing we

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didn't hear the people yell and scream under four years

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of Obama and the media, you know, did everything they

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could to give him cover and to make it seem

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okay and participate in the federal gas lighting of the

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American citizen. But boy, I mean, you know, Trump hasn't

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even been there a whole year, and you know they

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want every thing short of a proctological exam on him.

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Yes, that is interesting. Can you question Biden's health? No,

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that's something that's bad. Should you question Trump's again and

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again and again? Absolutely? Why can't we. They do have

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a two tier system of justice, a two tiered system

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of what they consider fair. And you do see the

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much higher inflation under Biden was basically apologized for and

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covered for, and the much lower inflation under Trump. Yeah,

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they don't give them credit for it. They act about

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they go, well, in the last five years, look how

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high ITT's gone. And Trump hasn't fixed that yet.

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Yeah, it's amazing, Grever, We've got about a minute left.

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I'm gonna let you summarize it. But it seems that

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anything positive out of Trump triggers these people, right well.

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It does. So many in the establishment press are still

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Democrats that that hasn't changed. They do realize that they're

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losing followers on viewers on television, on radio, people reading

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are listening to podcasts that are of all worldviews, but

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now the conservative worldview is much better represented, perhaps even

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stronger than the liberals on some of those podcasts and

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so on. Certainly, each of these opens it up, so

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we have more conversation stopping Biden's effort. And this is

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where buying X buying Twitter and now x elon Musk

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saved the Internet for freedom of speech it was being

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snuffed out. Zuckerberg of Meta and Facebook apologized before the

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election before the Trump was elected second time and said,

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they came to me and put a gun into my

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head and said if you don't do this, we're going

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to destroy your company. So you have to go censor,

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and he did. I had a conversation with him at

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a dinner at his house years ago when all this

1447
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pressure on the big companies from the Democrats and the FBI,

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with the guys calling you on the phone saying you

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have to do it. It's not the political office of

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the White House. It's not FBI, which is the political

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office of the White House, bush of the Biden White House,

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and he said, you have no the threats, the pressure,

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the pressure. I hear very little from conservatives and just

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every day the left demanding I shut down every outlet

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in the conservative world. And he said, we're not doing

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that anymore. We're not doing that anymore. So there's so

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much more freedom. The left is very frustrated because they

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can't control a country that can think for itself.

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Yeah, you've got three and thirty three and forty million Americans.

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Often rolling, being independent, realizing success. Like you said, inflation again,

1461
01:20:54.680 --> 01:20:58.840
the latest report lower, you know, than expected. Of course,

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01:20:58.880 --> 01:21:01.319
the media is gonna, you know, keep that down below

1463
01:21:01.359 --> 01:21:03.760
the fold, next to the orbituary page. They're not going

1464
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to you know, celebrate that. We know that that's a given.

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01:21:07.399 --> 01:21:10.479
But look at twenty twenty six, we're looking at GDP

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barring some just huge interference from the Democrats because they're

1467
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not going to like this, Grover, we're talking three Some

1468
01:21:17.600 --> 01:21:20.239
are saying maybe as high as a five percent GDP

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next year. That's going to be awesome for America. That's

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01:21:22.800 --> 01:21:23.720
huge numbers.

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There's a lot more money, a lot more capital flowing

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into markets now because of the permanency of the lower

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taxes and the permanency of faster depreciation, full expensing, immediate expensing.

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That'll be a very very helpful thing to creating new jobs.

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Well, get ready, lation and gentlemen, I think the golden

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age of America the Trump has been touting is just

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around the corner. And I don't think that you have

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to be delusional or be gas lit to consider that.

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Do you growver?

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Now, if you remember the direction we're going in, we

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are now moving in the opposit direction better. We should

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always look to go faster, but we're in the right

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direction rather than the wrong direction, and things are getting better.

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Well. He's the President of Americans for Tax Reform. Grover Norquist,

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Hey, welcome back to America, Bill Martinez here. Hey, guess

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who we got. We've got doctor George Barnet in Nikasa.

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He is in the house Merry Christmas time with all

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the reindeer and everything like that, checking the list, seeing

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who's been naughty and nice. But hey, we doing okay,

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doctor George.

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Things are going well. We're moving up to our Christmas

1566
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Great celebration. And you know, one of the things that's

1567
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coming out of all the research I've been doing, is

1568
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I would encourage people to just take a deep breath,

1569
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stop for a few moments, and think about who is

1570
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this guy that we're celebrating. Because when I look at

1571
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all the research, what I kind of have the feeling

1572
01:27:00.479 --> 01:27:03.199
of is that we get in a routine, We get

1573
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in the rout and we stop to think about the fact,

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Wait a minute, I'm supposed to have a relationship with

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this guy.

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Who is he?

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Why did he come here, what did he do? What

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difference does it really make in my life? And what

1579
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should I be doing about it. So there's a great

1580
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time of year to reassess.

1581
01:27:19.319 --> 01:27:21.279
And here we are. I mean, the church gives us,

1582
01:27:21.439 --> 01:27:25.680
liturgically a reminder. I mean, first starts with Thanksgiving. Then

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we get the four weeks of Advent, which is all

1584
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preparation for you know, the really the Christmas, the true

1585
01:27:33.520 --> 01:27:37.720
Christmas season that is beyond December the twenty fifth. You know,

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many people take it, you know through the New Year,

1587
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you know, through the Epiphany January the sixth, And I

1588
01:27:44.119 --> 01:27:47.119
think that's just a great reminder for us to hit

1589
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the reset button and like you said, take a breath,

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slow down, because last time I checked, the things that

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are not of this world, and the higher callings that

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we really want, that are are very spirits are crying

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out for are not at the shopping mall, and they're

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not in that parking space that we're trying to you know,

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beat out a fella, a fellow consumer out of right.

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Yeah, And you know, I was doing a program the

1597
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other day and the host of the show had a

1598
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great thing. We were talking about this and and she said, oh, look,

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I just checked my watch.

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Jesus is coming back, so so imagine that. Huh yeah, yeah,

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so you know, I mean her point was you better

1602
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better think about it, better get ready, and what better

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time than this.

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This is great.

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Well, and when you you know, consider the scriptures in

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the Old Testament, you know, the Jews were constantly looking

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for the Second Coming. They had an idea. I mean,

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that's what gave them some hope and hanging in there.

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I mean you imagine, you know, for a couple of

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thousand years plus, you know, this anticipation that God was coming,

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and then I kind of find us in a way,

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you know, because the cycle of life, it's pretty much

1613
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the same in the modern era. Here we are with

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expectation that you know, Jesus said he was going to

1615
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come the first time, what are the chances are that

1616
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he's going to be coming here the second time.

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Yeah. And one of the things that I think about

1618
01:29:12.640 --> 01:29:15.359
too with regard to America, because I just got back

1619
01:29:15.359 --> 01:29:18.680
from Israel, and so there's a big contrast between the

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two countries in terms of how they see things, how

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they deal with things. And one of the things about

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Americans is we always want to be happy. We think

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that we're owed happiness, and when we come to the

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Christmas season, it's a happy season. You know. We think

1625
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back to what it was like when we were a

1626
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child and we were waiting for Santa or whatever and

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all the presents. And I guess i'd encourage adults to

1628
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not so much be looking for happiness, is to be

1629
01:29:47.840 --> 01:29:52.159
looking for truth, to be looking for reality, and to

1630
01:29:52.359 --> 01:29:56.800
transition this season, just like we had to transition Christmas

1631
01:29:57.159 --> 01:30:00.960
from child to adult, thinking of it as no longer

1632
01:30:01.000 --> 01:30:04.239
a time of getting presents to giving presents. Well, maybe

1633
01:30:04.279 --> 01:30:06.920
it shouldn't so much be a time of Yeah, I

1634
01:30:06.960 --> 01:30:09.159
want people to make me happy by what they give me.

1635
01:30:10.199 --> 01:30:13.880
Is I want to be truthful? I want to be honest.

1636
01:30:13.960 --> 01:30:17.079
I want to be real about who I am, about

1637
01:30:17.119 --> 01:30:19.960
who Christ really is. It's not about the gifts and

1638
01:30:20.000 --> 01:30:23.159
the tree and all that, but it's really about my

1639
01:30:23.279 --> 01:30:27.479
eternal standing in his eyes based on my relationship with him.

1640
01:30:28.039 --> 01:30:32.079
And this is a good season for me to recalibrate,

1641
01:30:32.119 --> 01:30:35.840
you know, or as you said, reset everything. And man,

1642
01:30:35.920 --> 01:30:37.760
we need to do that all the time because we

1643
01:30:37.880 --> 01:30:41.000
live in a culture that wants to throw us off

1644
01:30:41.399 --> 01:30:44.800
the right track, and so this is a good time

1645
01:30:44.840 --> 01:30:45.920
to get back on the right track.

1646
01:30:46.000 --> 01:30:47.920
Well, and you know, you and I have had this

1647
01:30:47.960 --> 01:30:51.199
conversation since day one, George, when we first met. First

1648
01:30:51.199 --> 01:30:54.039
starts out with the truth, right, and but look at

1649
01:30:54.079 --> 01:30:56.840
the words that are out there. You know we used

1650
01:30:56.840 --> 01:31:01.680
to know about joy. Joy is is really connected to truth,

1651
01:31:01.760 --> 01:31:03.439
not happiness, right, right?

1652
01:31:03.960 --> 01:31:04.199
Yeah?

1653
01:31:04.439 --> 01:31:07.720
Because joy is everlasting? Yes, yeah, right.

1654
01:31:07.840 --> 01:31:10.880
And happiness fits our culture so well because the culture

1655
01:31:10.920 --> 01:31:13.760
is always in a state of flux and turbulence and chaos.

1656
01:31:14.600 --> 01:31:19.800
And so it's happiness because it's so situational and so

1657
01:31:19.840 --> 01:31:22.560
it can change in the blink of an eye. I

1658
01:31:22.600 --> 01:31:25.640
can go from being happy to sad, to depress to happy,

1659
01:31:26.439 --> 01:31:29.199
but joyful. It's like, yeah, well wait a minute. Once

1660
01:31:29.239 --> 01:31:32.960
you've really got that connection with the creator of the universe,

1661
01:31:33.039 --> 01:31:36.239
and you know why you have that connection, and you know,

1662
01:31:36.680 --> 01:31:40.800
I mean no capital letters him, right, that changes you

1663
01:31:41.079 --> 01:31:47.920
from from can change you from seeking happiness to experiencing joy.

1664
01:31:48.199 --> 01:31:52.680
And once you get that joy, until you destroy your

1665
01:31:52.720 --> 01:31:55.319
relationship with him, you're going to maintain that joy and

1666
01:31:55.359 --> 01:31:56.560
that should change everything.

1667
01:31:57.119 --> 01:31:59.920
Yeah, it's everlasting, and I mean, think about it happening.

1668
01:32:00.640 --> 01:32:02.640
I love it. A friend of mine used to always say,

1669
01:32:02.720 --> 01:32:06.920
happiness is based on a happening, right, So surf sup,

1670
01:32:07.520 --> 01:32:11.840
We're happy. You know, it's okay, that's what's happening. Whatever

1671
01:32:11.880 --> 01:32:14.039
it is. You know, you go to a concert, that's happening. Okay,

1672
01:32:14.079 --> 01:32:17.319
you see, you're happy. But what about those moments, you know,

1673
01:32:17.359 --> 01:32:20.840
like right now, the season of joy and when you

1674
01:32:21.039 --> 01:32:25.640
really anchor in like you say, you anchor into the

1675
01:32:26.640 --> 01:32:32.319
truth of the season. Man, you can go through cement

1676
01:32:32.439 --> 01:32:34.680
walls and you can handle anything, right.

1677
01:32:35.000 --> 01:32:37.319
It's true, you know. And one of the things that

1678
01:32:37.399 --> 01:32:43.439
I've been thinking about lately is worship songs. Not that

1679
01:32:43.520 --> 01:32:45.760
I can sing, and I can't sing, I can barely talk.

1680
01:32:45.840 --> 01:32:48.319
But you know, you got guitars back there, you can

1681
01:32:48.439 --> 01:32:48.920
play them.

1682
01:32:49.039 --> 01:32:51.880
Well, that's why I play I can't sing. Yeah, But

1683
01:32:52.279 --> 01:32:56.000
you know, you think about some of the best Christmas songs.

1684
01:32:56.319 --> 01:32:58.199
One of them is Joy to the World. It's not

1685
01:32:58.359 --> 01:33:01.600
Happiness to the World, you know, because you might have

1686
01:33:01.680 --> 01:33:03.479
to stop singing the song in the middle because you

1687
01:33:03.520 --> 01:33:06.560
no longer feel happy. You know, that's just changed, you know,

1688
01:33:06.720 --> 01:33:09.439
Joy to the World very different. I was thinking about

1689
01:33:09.479 --> 01:33:12.680
a song boy years ago. I was visiting a church

1690
01:33:13.319 --> 01:33:16.640
and they had a guest singer, and I don't know

1691
01:33:16.680 --> 01:33:19.640
what the song was, and I wasn't really paying attention

1692
01:33:19.840 --> 01:33:23.279
that closely to what he was singing until he got

1693
01:33:23.319 --> 01:33:27.920
to the chorus, and the chorus was three simple words,

1694
01:33:28.279 --> 01:33:31.960
and he was very dramatic about it, rightfully, So I

1695
01:33:32.079 --> 01:33:35.720
killed him. I never thought about that fact, you know.

1696
01:33:35.840 --> 01:33:38.039
I was sitting in that church, and you know, if

1697
01:33:38.079 --> 01:33:40.279
you had asked me, how did Jesus die, you know,

1698
01:33:40.359 --> 01:33:42.399
I point to the people around me and say, these

1699
01:33:42.399 --> 01:33:45.279
people are a bunch of sinners, you know. But then

1700
01:33:45.359 --> 01:33:48.800
when he said that I killed him for some reason,

1701
01:33:48.840 --> 01:33:52.439
that just really struck home with me. And so that

1702
01:33:52.520 --> 01:33:56.279
kind of changed the game for me in a significant way.

1703
01:33:57.119 --> 01:34:00.439
And I think about worship songs in this jewel to

1704
01:34:00.520 --> 01:34:04.439
the world. What a great conceptlists focus on that fact

1705
01:34:04.479 --> 01:34:07.920
that what we're supposed to be experiencing and celebrating this

1706
01:34:08.000 --> 01:34:11.880
Christmas season is the fact that God loved me so

1707
01:34:12.039 --> 01:34:14.800
much in spite of the fact that I'm a sinner,

1708
01:34:15.199 --> 01:34:17.800
that he sent this child to go through all the

1709
01:34:17.800 --> 01:34:20.840
crap that I go through day after day exactly. You know,

1710
01:34:21.000 --> 01:34:23.560
I was thinking about Jesus didn't have to come down

1711
01:34:23.640 --> 01:34:26.680
as a baby and grow up. I mean, he could

1712
01:34:26.680 --> 01:34:29.800
have come down as an adult, done his deal and

1713
01:34:29.960 --> 01:34:33.119
left again back to the comfort of heaven for him.

1714
01:34:33.520 --> 01:34:36.439
But you know, in God's own wisdom, he put him

1715
01:34:36.479 --> 01:34:39.439
through the paces that we go through so that he

1716
01:34:39.520 --> 01:34:43.920
could understand and we could relate to him better. I mean,

1717
01:34:43.960 --> 01:34:47.880
what an incredible thing. And so it makes this not

1718
01:34:48.199 --> 01:34:52.079
just another holiday, not just another birth you know, where

1719
01:34:52.079 --> 01:34:55.520
there's a birthday, but something that's really a joy filled

1720
01:34:55.560 --> 01:34:59.760
experience for us to celebrate and to really ponder. I

1721
01:34:59.800 --> 01:35:03.199
think sometimes we're so busy buying gifts and sending cards

1722
01:35:03.239 --> 01:35:06.319
and returning emails to people we haven't heard from in

1723
01:35:06.399 --> 01:35:09.119
a year that we lose sight of the fact that

1724
01:35:09.520 --> 01:35:13.039
wait a minute, who is this person that we're celebrating

1725
01:35:13.520 --> 01:35:16.279
Why did he have to come? I killed him? You know,

1726
01:35:16.399 --> 01:35:18.199
you know, I mean all of these kinds of things

1727
01:35:18.199 --> 01:35:21.520
that we have to put together, and it it I think,

1728
01:35:21.800 --> 01:35:24.199
if you do that right, it puts you in a

1729
01:35:24.239 --> 01:35:29.079
completely different frame of mind, and one that's Germaine this season.

1730
01:35:29.880 --> 01:35:33.079
Yeah, you know, speaking of music, when you were saying that,

1731
01:35:33.199 --> 01:35:38.079
it reminded me of Saint Augustine's statement about singing. He says,

1732
01:35:38.119 --> 01:35:41.079
that's like praying twice.

1733
01:35:42.000 --> 01:35:42.760
I haven't heard that.

1734
01:35:42.800 --> 01:35:47.279
I love that, you know. And even though you may think, hey,

1735
01:35:47.680 --> 01:35:50.279
I you know, maybe I can't sing, although you have

1736
01:35:50.399 --> 01:35:53.079
kind of a Rod Stewart kind of you know, kind

1737
01:35:53.079 --> 01:35:55.760
of pitch here, but which could be interesting, you know,

1738
01:35:55.840 --> 01:36:00.439
but you know, I mean I can just only imagine.

1739
01:36:00.560 --> 01:36:03.600
But even still in our own in our own closets,

1740
01:36:03.640 --> 01:36:06.399
in our own you know, private rooms of singing and

1741
01:36:06.439 --> 01:36:10.399
that sort of thing, there's just something about how that

1742
01:36:10.479 --> 01:36:13.479
engages us and touches the heart. Just like you said,

1743
01:36:13.600 --> 01:36:16.039
even when you're listening to somebody else and there's a

1744
01:36:16.199 --> 01:36:19.199
lyric you know, that comes across it, just you know,

1745
01:36:19.520 --> 01:36:21.600
it just connects with your spirit, right.

1746
01:36:21.760 --> 01:36:25.439
Yeah, And and and for me, I'm not real good

1747
01:36:25.479 --> 01:36:27.920
at this yet I'm working on it, but trying to

1748
01:36:27.960 --> 01:36:30.680
get to the place where I'm not letting Christmas music

1749
01:36:30.760 --> 01:36:34.840
become background noise. Yeah exactly, because again, we get so

1750
01:36:35.039 --> 01:36:36.840
used to it and it's like, Okay, it's the season,

1751
01:36:36.880 --> 01:36:38.560
I got to put it on it. Yeah, it's back there.

1752
01:36:38.600 --> 01:36:42.600
It's playing checking off the box, as opposed to realizing

1753
01:36:42.640 --> 01:36:47.520
there are a lot of worshipers who wrote these songs

1754
01:36:47.920 --> 01:36:53.439
as their greatest active service, using their gift to astor God,

1755
01:36:53.479 --> 01:36:57.600
to respect God, to focus us on on on Jesus

1756
01:36:58.119 --> 01:37:01.560
during this season. And man, what a great thing it

1757
01:37:01.640 --> 01:37:04.439
is sometimes just to take, even if I can only

1758
01:37:04.479 --> 01:37:07.479
squirrel away fifteen minutes during the course of a business day,

1759
01:37:07.760 --> 01:37:10.000
to go down, put the stereo, IM close the door

1760
01:37:10.000 --> 01:37:13.760
behind you so nobody bothers me, and to have that

1761
01:37:13.880 --> 01:37:18.039
opportunity just to listen to the words. You know, the

1762
01:37:18.359 --> 01:37:21.319
tune's nice, and I'm usually a tune guy. I don't

1763
01:37:21.359 --> 01:37:24.239
listen to words that much. Christmas is a very different

1764
01:37:24.319 --> 01:37:27.760
kind of season for me because this is the one time,

1765
01:37:27.840 --> 01:37:31.399
this and maybe Easter time where I know the words matter,

1766
01:37:32.239 --> 01:37:35.279
and so to really ponder those and think about those,

1767
01:37:35.680 --> 01:37:38.319
and there are some brilliant creative songs.

1768
01:37:38.800 --> 01:37:42.319
Yeah yeah, Exactley's got their own favorites.

1769
01:37:42.359 --> 01:37:44.960
Find your own favorites and just put them in heavy

1770
01:37:45.079 --> 01:37:48.399
rotation and you know, really really focus on them.

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01:37:48.760 --> 01:37:50.640
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Hey, we're back with it, Bill Martina said, for doctor

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You know you talk about you know, stepping away and

1851
01:42:10.520 --> 01:42:14.520
focusing fifteen you know, setting across, you know, setting aside

1852
01:42:14.600 --> 01:42:16.880
fifteen minutes of time. You know, I've been doing the

1853
01:42:16.920 --> 01:42:19.560
Hollow app and one of the things that comes up

1854
01:42:19.560 --> 01:42:23.359
recurrently is that, you know, just really focus on God.

1855
01:42:23.800 --> 01:42:28.079
I want you to be intentional and imagine you're in

1856
01:42:28.159 --> 01:42:31.439
the presence of the Father's Son and Holy Spirit. And

1857
01:42:31.600 --> 01:42:34.039
I got to tell you, George, I didn't pay much

1858
01:42:34.039 --> 01:42:37.880
attention to this before, but it's amazing when you get

1859
01:42:37.920 --> 01:42:40.840
intentionally start to do that, how many distractions come in.

1860
01:42:41.159 --> 01:42:44.640
It drives me nuts. I mean, I'm sitting there going,

1861
01:42:45.119 --> 01:42:48.880
you know, God forgive me. You know, it's like, I'm okay,

1862
01:42:48.920 --> 01:42:53.039
I'm intentional. I'm hanging in there, and you talk fifteen minutes.

1863
01:42:53.199 --> 01:42:56.239
I'm lucky to hold on to fifteen seconds.

1864
01:42:56.359 --> 01:42:59.520
Yeah. I tend to be a song guy. So I'm thinking, like, Okay,

1865
01:42:59.560 --> 01:43:02.000
if i can get five songs that I've kind of

1866
01:43:02.039 --> 01:43:05.159
reset myself, you know, about three minutes to each, Okay,

1867
01:43:05.159 --> 01:43:08.560
that's my fifteen minutes. So yeah, that's what I'm trying

1868
01:43:08.600 --> 01:43:10.600
to do. I'm not going for the fifteen minutes of fame.

1869
01:43:11.039 --> 01:43:14.359
I'm going for the fifteen minutes of focus. Right, I

1870
01:43:14.359 --> 01:43:18.840
can really concentrate on a concept. And the concept here

1871
01:43:18.880 --> 01:43:22.840
for me is that Jesus came for me. Yeah. I know,

1872
01:43:22.920 --> 01:43:24.520
he came for you, he came for my kids, he

1873
01:43:24.560 --> 01:43:28.159
came for my grandkids. But I need to wrap my

1874
01:43:28.279 --> 01:43:31.239
arms around the fact that you know I'm a sinner.

1875
01:43:31.800 --> 01:43:34.319
I'm not very impressed with myself. Frankly, I don't know

1876
01:43:34.359 --> 01:43:38.119
how he could be. But for some reason, he created me,

1877
01:43:38.560 --> 01:43:41.960
he gifted me, he called me, he loves me, and

1878
01:43:42.000 --> 01:43:44.479
so he sent Jesus for me. And if I can

1879
01:43:44.520 --> 01:43:47.640
start getting into that frame of mind again, I mean,

1880
01:43:47.680 --> 01:43:50.239
it really does change the rest of mine.

1881
01:43:50.640 --> 01:43:53.279
It's transformational, There's no doubt about it. How do you

1882
01:43:53.319 --> 01:43:54.319
not be transformed?

1883
01:43:54.640 --> 01:43:57.640
Yeah? And so you know, then I come back up

1884
01:43:57.640 --> 01:43:59.600
and I look at all this research that I've been doing.

1885
01:43:59.640 --> 01:44:05.119
It's like, you know, but but you know, and even

1886
01:44:05.159 --> 01:44:06.960
the research I've been doing lately. You know that the

1887
01:44:07.039 --> 01:44:10.439
latest stuff has been on sin and salvation, which is

1888
01:44:10.560 --> 01:44:13.000
you know, intentional timing. At the end of the year,

1889
01:44:13.039 --> 01:44:17.640
I want people to be rethinking this whole idea of yes,

1890
01:44:17.720 --> 01:44:21.640
he came, he suffered for you, and he did it

1891
01:44:21.680 --> 01:44:24.039
with a purpose, and that's that he could live with

1892
01:44:24.079 --> 01:44:27.920
you forever. Because this latest research we're doing based on

1893
01:44:28.119 --> 01:44:32.319
salvation and sin is shown that Christians in America are

1894
01:44:32.399 --> 01:44:36.119
just so confused about all of this. We're not really

1895
01:44:36.239 --> 01:44:40.560
buying the biblical narrative about the fact that the only

1896
01:44:40.880 --> 01:44:45.520
pathway to eternity, where you're going to be in God's

1897
01:44:45.560 --> 01:44:47.159
presence is through Christ.

1898
01:44:47.920 --> 01:44:49.439
Amen. That's it.

1899
01:44:50.439 --> 01:44:53.319
You see. The thing is is that we're dealing with

1900
01:44:53.319 --> 01:44:56.079
the human condition. You know, you have a choice. You know,

1901
01:44:56.159 --> 01:44:57.760
you do the things of this world, you have your

1902
01:44:57.760 --> 01:45:02.119
own idea, right and ever since the fall, you know,

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it really puts space between us and God. And Jesus

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came so that we could have that communion with him.

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So when we have that communion with Him, all of

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a sudden, you know, we're a little bit smarter, George,

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you know, and I'm not saying in that in a

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worldly sort of way. It's just we are. We have

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a better knowing as a result, not that it's perfect,

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but you can start to see the difference, right, Yeah.

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Absolutely. I'll tell you though, one of the things that

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troubles me is the confusion that's in the minds and

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hearts of so many millions of Christians about repentance. Because

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as we did this research, one of the things we

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learned is that most Christians quote unquote in America now

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think of repentance as a feeling, just like we've converted

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truth to a feeling as opposed to a reality. As

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opposed to a reflection of God, who he is, what

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he he knows, what he wants us to know and believe.

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What we've done is we've made repentance into a feeling

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of oh, Gosh, I made a mistake that's too bad,

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as opposed to really being heartbroken over sin, knowing that

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it breaks God's heart, it shatters our relationship with him,

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and that's the very reason why Jesus, whose birth were

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now celebrating, had to come back to earth and suffer

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because of our sins, because of my sin. And so repentance,

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when you study the word, it literally means to turn

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around and go in a different direction. And so repentance

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isn't merely saying, ah, I made a mistake. It's saying, oh, Gosh,

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I did something that offends God, that hurts God, that

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breaks his heart. And the only ways that I can

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deal with that are number one, ask God to forgive

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me through Christ, and secondly, to show that I'm so

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sincere about not wanting to break his heart that I'm

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going to turn around and go in a different direction.

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I'm going to change my behavior, I'm going to change

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my thinking, I'm going to change my language, whatever it

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is so that I am doing the best that I can,

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inviting the Holy Spirit to take over the steering wheel

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on this journey where I'm trying to turn around and

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go in a different direction. I want the Holy Spirit

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to empower me now to speak, to live, to act differently,

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so that I can really please, honor and respect this

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God who's so awesome, so loving, so compassionate, so merciful

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that he sent himself really to come back to earth

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and to go through this whole developmental phase from infant

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to child to teenage or to young adult to middle

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aged adult, and to suffer along the way because of me,

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I mean, to go through that whole process. Repentance is

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something much more than we've made it to be for us.

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It's like it after thought, Oh yeah, shee too bad,

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I shouldn't have done that.

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What's next? Yeah, but what brings you to repentance? It's

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kind of like, uh, what brought Nineveh to repentance is

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they they caught it, they understood, they saw their wickedness,

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and and they're and they're getting a word from you know,

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from the prophet, the reluctant prophet, and uh, he comes

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and says, hey, you guys are in trouble here, and

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the Holy God is who is just and righteous, is

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going to you know, render judgment on you. Are you

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ready for that? Well they hurt that, you see. But

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you say, in our in our culture, because we're moving,

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you know, with our hair on fire, running around, especially

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in this holiday season and everything. Like you said, uh,

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we don't hit the pause button, but but really we're

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encouraging everybody, including ourselves, to slow down, hit that pause

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button and say, hey, how are you doing with God? Okay,

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how is your relationship here? What are we doing? You know,

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let's you know, like tuning up the guitar. You got

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to tune up the guitar to the right notes, right,

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so we got to tune up to God. And as

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we tune up to God and realize, hey, we're we're

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out of sync with God. We're out of tune with

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God in these specific areas of our lives. And then

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when you really press in and understand how bad it

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is and how you know, how awful sounding your instrument

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is compared to God's instrument, then you go, whoa, you know, hey,

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I got to get I got to get this thing

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tuned up here. And as you do, and you and

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you consider the holiness of God, then it really causes

1981
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you to want to repent in such a way that hey, man,

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you're looking at the animals. You're putting sackcloth on the

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animals and everybody right, including yourself of course for sure.

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And one of the things that I've observed that I don't

1985
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have date on this, but just looking at my circles

1986
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of friends, we invest a lot of time during the

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season in real relationships with each other and say, oh,

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it's a great time for us to take some time together.

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Come over, you know, we'll do whatever together for a

1990
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little while. And it's a big deal. But the nature

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of our relationship with God needs to be central. You know,

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what we're doing with Christ during this period of time

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instead of just saying, Okay, you know, I'm going to

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church on Christmas Eve, you know, check it off. Did

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the relationship thing with Jesus. That's not good enough, That's

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not all he wants, that's not all he deserves, that's

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not all we deserve. We have better than that He

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wants us to have, better than that, he wants us

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to have him. And so you know, making that time, investing,

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investing in this season. Don't invest in Mattel and Hasbro

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invest in Jesus.

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Yeah.

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Amen, and understand that. You know, as one devotionalized reading

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this past week, it says, you know, approach God like beggars.

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And I thought it was interesting. It really caught me.

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I go, oh, like a beggar. Yeah, but understand this.

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Keep begging, you know, don't you know you don't have

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to just say okay, well you know I got this

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from the banquet table. That's enough. Jesus saying no, no,

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keep going, keep going. There's plenty. And and you know,

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to your point here is we sell ourselves short because

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we're quick to want to check a box and say, well,

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been there, done that. And you know, the relationship with

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God is intended to be ongoing, and he longs for

2015
01:51:24.600 --> 01:51:27.159
this communion. I mean this, this is really what breaks

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the Father's heart more than anything else, is that communion

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with him with his creation, the creation that he said, wow,

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this is really good.

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Right yeah.

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And toward that end, I know we're probably running out

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of time here, but I do want to get in

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here that the research is also showing us that when

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01:51:45.359 --> 01:51:49.840
we think about our relationship with Christ, almost half of

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01:51:49.880 --> 01:51:54.680
the Christians in this country think it's Jesus plus. That

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01:51:54.800 --> 01:51:58.920
Jesus on the Cross wasn't enough. That there are other

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01:51:59.119 --> 01:52:02.039
ways to sell. It might be our works, it might

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be some other God, it might be some other theological construct.

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It might be a relationship quote unquote with the universe.

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Whatever it is. And I want to encourage anybody who's listening,

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just take a few moments this Christmas season to really

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dig deep and examine what are you basing your thoughts

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01:52:24.319 --> 01:52:28.000
about your eternity on. Is it Jesus plus or is

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01:52:28.039 --> 01:52:32.199
it Jesus alone. If it's Jesus alone, great, Just then

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spend the rest of your time celebrating Him this Christmas season,

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and the.

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Works will take care of themselves, James says, right, they

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will follow naturally because you're a transformed agent. You think different,

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you do different, You are different, You do what you believe.

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So if you start believing right, and part of your

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01:52:51.239 --> 01:52:55.119
belief system is it's only Christ, there's nothing besides Him

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01:52:55.159 --> 01:52:57.640
that's going to save me, then that's going to start

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01:52:57.680 --> 01:53:01.000
to change your behavior right there. That it's momentum going

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and before you know it, you're actually a follower of Christ.

2044
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Yeah, and you're actually enjoying the peace of Christ. Yeah, yeah, right,

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the piece that's immeasurable that we can't even imagine with

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our human PENI thinking, you know, And like we said,

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the banquet table that God has set out for us

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is immeasurable. It's unending, and we want everybody to partake,

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especially in this Christmas season, right, George, I'm gonna let

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you wrap it up.

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Go ahead, Yeah, hey, you know what, what a great

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time of year. We're still in a free country, Thank

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God for that. And we have the opportunity to devote

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as much time, energy and resources as we want to

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honoring God, thanking Him for Christ coming down, experience joy

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this season. I mean, really work at that. And it's

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a life changer, it's game changer. Go for it, Enjoy it.

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Amen. He's the director of research at Arizona Christian University's

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Cultural Search Center, author of Raising Spiritual Champions. Doctor George Barnham,

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Merry Christmas, my friend, same to you, buddy.

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