Dec. 29, 2025

The Bill Martinez Show 12 29 25

The Bill Martinez Show 12 29 25
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The Bill Martinez Show 12 29 25
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Are you ready.

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Yeah, Okay, let's do it.

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Ill Martinez Live a program about current events, our culture,

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our values, our politics, and our future.

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And now Bill Martinez.

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Good morning America. Bill Martinez here just about six minutes

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after the top of the hour, and with us, it's

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our honor to have Louis gomer join us, the former

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congressman from of course the number one district in Texas

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by the way, because he is number one, and also

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a former attorney and a judge. Louis Gohmert. Welcome, Michelle.

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Good to have you with us.

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Good to be with you. Bill, Thank you well.

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I appreciate what you've written about in terms of arctic

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frost and the danger that this is done. I mean,

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there just seems to be such movements of sedition that

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have invaded our country and our constitution. I mean it's

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like where do you start. I mean, when you got six,

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you know, elected officials telling our military that they don't

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need to obey an an lawful order, I mean we're

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in trouble here.

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Yeah.

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Well, the Arctic Cross I mean that cannot be underestimated,

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undersold as to just how serious that was. Yes, when

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you have six people that are encouraging members of the

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military to commit a military crime.

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That is.

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Extremely serious. But it's right out of the Marxist playbook.

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David Horowitz, we lost him earlier this year. I'm a

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senior fellow with the Freedom the Horowitz Freedom Center, and

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David was a dear friend. And David had said, you know,

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back when he was a leading one of the top

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few UH communist leaders in America in the late sixties,

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he said, their motto back then is the same as now,

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and it is that among the leaders, the morons don't know.

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But among the leaders, their slogan is the worse, the better.

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The more chaos they could create, the better. And so

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a lot of these people they don't even know what

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they're playing into. But the more chaos they could create,

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the worse it gets, the closer they are to having

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a full takeover of what was once the greatest republic

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in the history of the world, the freest, greatest in

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the world's history, longest lasting republic in the history of

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the world, and they're playing into its demise.

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But you know, as a former.

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Felony judge, I would give instructions on what an accomplice was,

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and both under state law and under federal law, same thing.

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We don't recognize accomplices. We recognize people who are accomplices

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as principles. And the instruction from a judge to a

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jury is that someone who aids and a beds a

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prince and principle themselves. And the definition of aiding in

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a betting would include the word encourage. Perhaps that strikes accord.

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When you hear members of Congress or the Senate encouraging

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people to commit military crimes, they're encouraging the committing of

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a crime.

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This is serious stuff.

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But going back to Arctic frost, we've never seen anything

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like this in our history. It just makes Watergate paling comparabon.

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Without a doubt.

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That was, you know, a bungled burglary, but the big

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cover up that was a big problem there. But here

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you have the FBI and the DOJ going after hundreds

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of Republicans, members of Congress, members of the Senate's phone records.

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They're going after inspiring on the people that have oversight

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over them. And when we do that, it completely eliminates

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the ability to have oversight.

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And I know.

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Back in six when William Jefferson, who was completely guilty

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of the crime he is selling off favors from his office.

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They absolutely had probable costs to search his home, got

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a warrant to do so, totally appropriate, found ninety thousand

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dollars cold hard cash and his freezer. Then they got

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a warrant and appropriate probable cause there to search as

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his office. But in the whole history of the Congress,

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because of the separation of powers, because of the Congression

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of because of the constitutional congressional privilege that prevents the

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executive branch the DOJ from coming in and taking things

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that allowed them to basically find out who's whistleblowing. On

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the FBI and on the DOJ, there's a privilege there.

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They don't get to do that.

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So the whole history of the country, they would come

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in and they would present the warrant to House Counsel independent,

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and the House counsel would go in and grab everything

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out of that congressman's office and they would go through

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it and they would pull aside things that would privileged

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things that were from whistleblowers, because the DJ has no

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right to know who the whistleblowers are, that exactly, and

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that way you keep the checks and balances going. But

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Muller was director of the FBI, and he wanted He

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knew the law, he knew separation of powers, and he

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didn't care, and he was wanting to shove it down

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Congress's throat.

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So he just came in in the middle of the night.

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He took everything and he told a foolish federal judge

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in Washington, Oh, but we'll go through everything at the

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DOJ and we'll give back what's privileged. And the federal

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judge okay, but the DC Circuit said, no, you can't

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do that. Exactly her party go through that stuff and

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then give you what's allowed. And the Supreme Court they

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build that in the spring Court said no, you can't

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do it. We're not going to touch the DC Circuit's opinion.

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So that's been the law.

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And then along comes Christopher Ray and Merrick Garland and

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they say, and Jack Frost Smith and they don't care.

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They are wanting to finally bring down all Republicans in

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the two party system.

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And that's Bill made no mistake. That's what this was.

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This was jetting down the two party system and bringing

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us in to a new Marxist era.

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If they've been successful.

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Yeah, this was the continuation of the mission that Barack

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Obama announced when he talked about the fundamental transformation of

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our country, and people wonder, they go, well, that's odd.

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I mean, a lot of people applauded, you know, and

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they wait a minute, stop for a minute, what did

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he mean by that? And of course now we're starting

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to see the fruit of the tree that he planted there.

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Right, yep, you're exactly right. That's exactly what was going on.

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But it was taking it to an extent that most

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of us couldn't believe that they were willing to go.

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I mean, Merrick Garland, can you imagine a guy like

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that on the Supreme Court? Just incredible how far they

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were willing to go to shred the Constitution. And so

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that the thing is, though, Bill, you have had weak need,

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you know, slack jaw Republicans who were willing to talk

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a good game. But we have not held anybody accountable.

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Exactly, that's no.

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Not the eighteen years I was in Congress, the years

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we were in the majority. You know, some of us

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were going, we got to hold these people accountable. And

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we held Lois Larner accountable because she got put on

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paid leave for about a year.

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We leave a paid vacation. That was who we held accountable.

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Yeah, and now what does she get a quarter of

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a million in retirement?

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Right?

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Just outrageous?

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Anyway, real quick conc show. We got to go to

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quick break. We'll pick it up on the other side.

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More from Louie Gohmert after this stay with us.

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Welcome back Bill Martinez here with the former Congressman Louis Gormer, Congressman.

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Before we go on and pick up from where we're at,

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you've been out of Congress for a couple of years now,

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and you're looking through the rearview mirror and also through

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the windshield of what's happening in our government today. What's

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your assessment of where America is and what we need

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to do, because, as you were suggesting, Republicans and the

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sentiment amongst we the people is that we still want

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to play nice and we don't understand that we're in

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the middle of a war here and what's hanging in

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the balance is this democratic republic.

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Yeah, well, people have got to go to prison for

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the wrongdoing. And I tell you, having been a former

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criminal judge, f elany judge at the Steglo, I was

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shocked when I found out. You know, of course, the

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warrants that were gotten to spy on the Trump campaign

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through Papadopolis and Carter.

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Paige going back to twenty fifteen.

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Right, But then we found out there was a lawyer

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with the DOJ that lied in an Affidavid knowingly lied

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to help get the warrant, and the vice a judge

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when she found out was kind of whole hum and

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there really weren't much in the way consequences. Eventually they prosecuted,

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but only because a look and not much happened to him.

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But I'm telling you, Bill, I was staggered that a

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federal judge, on finding that a lawyer with the DOJ

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lied to her under oath yes to get a warrant

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to spy on the president, didn't go ballistic because she

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could have held him in contempt of court and put

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him in right then without a hearing for six months.

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That's what I would have done.

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I was staggered, and she was like, you know, okay,

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well hold that told me we need to end the

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vice of courts. If they don't have more respect for

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the Constitution than that, that's.

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Got to end.

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We got to know everything they're doing out in the open,

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because this is a threat. These are chambers that's got

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to stop. And we've got to start going after the

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judges because they're not protecting the constitution, that's one thing.

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And we have got to do more house cleaning.

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At the DOJ we're not clean there yet, and at

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the FBI, we're not clean there yet. So all of

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these things have got to happen, and we've got to

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I know there's a start with, you know, trying to

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get indictments against some of the former dj but people

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have got to be made held to account for what

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they've done because they brought us to the brink of

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the end of our constitutional republic. If they're not made

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to pay, then it's just going to get worse when

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they're in power again.

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Well, because they just keep it keeps repeating itself and

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getting worse and worse. Like you said, here we go

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from Watergate to where we are now, and it's like

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it makes Watergate look like nothing. And you know, we

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forced the president to resign because of Watergate. Here, no

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consequence whatsoever, and they're doubling down.

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Why not, It just it gets worse and worse and

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more egregious. So yeah, there's got to be consequences. Are

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we're going to lose this thing, and the next Democrat

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they will go ahead and finish off, moving us into

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a full Marxist state. And you know, I've said a

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number of times the only thing or Well got wrong

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was the year. It wasn't like eighty four. We're living

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through it now, right. That's where they're trying to get

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us into that Orwellian state. They're spying on us. And

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of course, you know, we find I found out from

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Grassley's investigators that Verizon had my name in there and

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they were getting not days like they had some of

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the senators, but months of my records. And Verizon, according

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to them, just said, oh okay, well here's all Gonn's records,

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and AT and T and others were going, well, we're

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not sure that this is a valid thing here. This

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is just a subpoena. There's no warrant, there's no probable cause.

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And they pushed back on it, thank goodness.

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But anyway, yeah, but what does that say about Verizon

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though Congressation?

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It raises serious questions.

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And I've had Verizon for many, many, many years, and

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that's about to change.

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Right, you know, I hear you. So where are we

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I mean in this situation. I mean, this is supposed

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to be a government up for by we the people,

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and so we the people need to really stand up.

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And not that we expect, you know, a thousand percent agreement,

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because our country didn't start, you know, with a thousand

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percent agreement. It's only about ten percent of the constituents

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that banded together. But we need brave men and women

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to take a stand, you know, not only for themselves,

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but for their kids and their grandkids.

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Yep.

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Well, but that's just it.

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If we could get ten percent of American adults to

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just bombard their members of Congress and Senate saying you

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have got to go after these people. You've got to

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hold the judges accountable, You've got to hold the DOJ accountable,

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and just light up their switchboards with phone calls, light

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them up with emails. That will make a difference. It

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still makes a difference when members of Congress and the

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Senate just get.

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Bombarded with phone calls.

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And emails, and especially if people or really heated up

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over the issue and they.

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Is is it conceivable, Congressman, that we could do an

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operation warp speed to clean this mess up? Because time

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is a wasting I mean, here we are, We've got

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one year down, three years left with with with the

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President Trump and the midterms hanging in the balance. Here,

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God forbid the Democrats get the gavel. If they do,

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then forget it. You know, the rest of the two

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years of the President's going to be.

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New to her to another impeachment.

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Yes, exactly. So, I mean, is there is there enough

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spine there in Congress? I like Mike Johnson, I have

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a lot of hope for him, but he needs he

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needs reinforcements, just like Donald Trump needs reinforcements.

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Right, Yes, absolutely, And the only way to get that

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is if enough people are are lighting up the switchboards

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and hitting with emails and letting their members of Congress

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know you have got to do something.

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We have let this stuff go on much too long.

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It's time to quit talking about it and quit having

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little hearings where you get soundbites and you don't do anything.

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It's time to actually do something and hold these people accountable.

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You push and you get them, you get.

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Them into the DOJ where they are held accountable with

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criminal actions.

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And that's where it's got to go.

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As a former congressman, you know what happens when you

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get when the switchboard is lit up and you're getting emails, right,

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and sometimes the constituency doesn't quite comprehend the power of

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an email or a phone call.

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Right, that's right, that's right, And it makes a difference.

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And when we finally would get people so upset that

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they would really bombard their members of Congress, only then

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would we stop bad legislation or get some good legislation done.

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But it takes that kind of work from members of

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the public.

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Really. So when you go when you go to the floor,

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for example, and you and and your switchboards lit up,

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and you've got two hundred phone calls, you're going to

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the floor and saying this is just a sample of

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the response of my constituent and everybody else, you know,

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I mean, they're not going to have two hundred phone calls.

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Maybe they got five or ten, So two hundred really

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says a lot for example, right.

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Yeah, But there were times where, you know, under really

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tough circumstances, they get a thousand yes, right, and really

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what Sometimes they'd go to the floor ands I, you know,

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my constituents were really upset about that. But what more

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often happened is they would go to the speaker and say, look,

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I've been a team player and I've been holding back

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like you said, but I can't hold back anymore.

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We have got to do something.

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And when you have enough members of Congress coming to

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the speaker and saying, look, I can't keep my seat

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if we don't do something, then that's when something gets done.

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Right.

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That's really the key. It's one thing to go on

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the floor and say, here's what all my constituents are saying,

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more soundbites. They go to the speaker and say, Mike,

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we got to do something. My people are so mad

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at me. I'm going to lose my seat. If we

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don't do something, and you have enough of those go

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to the speaker, it makes a difference.

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That's when it makes a difference, exactly.

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Congressman Louis Gohmert has been our guest Congressman. As we

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wrap things up, the people want to hear hope. Give

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them some hope, would you please?

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Well, what we just were talking about, is the hope

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now Being a Christian, I always have hope. Yes, remember

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you know the comment our hope will not arrive on

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Air Force one. But uh, but people have hope. But

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we have a system of government where we are the

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people that make things happen. But if you just sit

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back and say, well, there's nothing to be done, well

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we've lost already. But real time, we have been given

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a reprieve when President Trump won. If he had lost,

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then I would say, now there's really.

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Not much hope.

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We you know this, we would not know about arctic frost.

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This would that would not have resulted in anything happening.

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But we have been given a reprieve. We've been given

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another chance, Bill, and we have got to take advantage

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of it. This is our chance, and people have got

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to respond. It's not enough that we got President Trump

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or re elected. It's got to be everybody take advantage.

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Let's get out there, let your congress members, your senators

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know they got to do something with this opportunity. We

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may not have two more years after this. We have

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got to do something this next year. It's critical, you know.

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Right now it is a sense of immediacy that must

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be that we must focus on. He's a former congressman,

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currently Senior Fellow for Political Statesmanship with a David Horowitz

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Freedom Center. Louis Gohmert has been our guest a congressman.

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Is always an honor great to have you with us.

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Take care, God bless thank you, God bless you.

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good God Almighty for you at last.

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Huh.

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Well, the Stream is morphing from a print website into

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is a division of Emerald Robinson's wonderful Substack. Emi is

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We're not adding commercials and we're not charging people. We're

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Yeah, the whole truth and nothing but right, John, Right, Yeah, exactly. Well,

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I want to talk about something you wrote at the

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Brew here and that's and this has been disturbing. Charlie

517
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Kirk's wife, Erica had brought this out here recently in

518
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her interview is on Fox and other places. And that

519
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has to do with these silly conspiracy theories about Tronie

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Kirk's killer.

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Well, it's more than silly. First of all, the horrible

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tragedy that Charlie Kirk was assassinated by a left wing

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sexual degenerate who was involved in the transgender movement.

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And now.

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That became that was a moment of spiritual revival and

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we saw people going back to church. We saw turning

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point USA chapters becoming more overtly theological as Charlie was

528
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becoming over the years, and then it's spiritual warfare. The

529
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devil stepped in to try to snuff it out, to

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try to divert the powerful witness of Charlie's death, end

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of his life, and turn it to the most squalid,

532
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gutter conspiracy theories peddled by, first of all, Candice Owens,

533
00:31:57.160 --> 00:32:01.519
who I'm not sure if she's crazy or if she's

534
00:32:01.759 --> 00:32:07.720
actually possessed, and I'm not using hyperbole. Milo Ianopolis is

535
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another person. Both of them claim to be converts to Catholicism,

536
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and both of them seem to me to have dark spirits,

537
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and they seem to be devoted to destruction and to

538
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tearing down everything, every good thing that Charlie Kirk built,

539
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every good thing that we're trying to do in America.

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They're trying to make us paranoid, make us distrust everyone.

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Now we know we shouldn't trust the deep state, we

542
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shouldn't trust the mainstream media, but they're trying to make

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us distrust absolutely everyone. And Candae own is even cast

544
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doubt and suspicion on Charlie Kirk's wife and his best friends,

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that there's some sort of dark conspiracy behind it, that

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there was a power grab.

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It's just.

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It's not based on any reality. It kind of reminds

549
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me of monkeys in cages throwing poop at the wall.

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They're just throwing theories out there to get clicks, to

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make money, literally, to make money. Why didn't Candice Own

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just show up at Charlie Kirk's funeral and try to

553
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sell tupperware? I mean that would be just as classy

554
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as what she's doing now, and then might actually interfere

555
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with the prosecution of the man who apparently.

556
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Shot That's that's what I was gonna say. This is

557
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this compromises everything. It taints the jury pool. Yeah, the

558
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love and you got to know that these attorneys here

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and the way Utah's handling this whole situation, you think

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that Charlie Kirk's accused murder was the victim, right right?

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And Andy Engo, who's been a heroically courageous journalist in

562
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chronicling the terrorist activities of Antifa, he is the guy

563
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who came out and said this may make it impossible

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to put his killer in prison. And if you really

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want to if you want a conspiracy theory, here's here's

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one I think might have some valid Whoever it was

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00:34:01.359 --> 00:34:06.000
in the deep state that authorized Charlie Kirks murder, because

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I don't think this guy was acting alone. I think

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there was probably some deep state involvement. I think there

570
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probably was in the assassination attempts on Trump too. Whoever

571
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was in the deep state that authorized the murder also

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authorized this psyop of all these conspiracy theories in order

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to taint the durru pool so that their killer doesn't

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actually have to do any time in prison. That's the

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that's their backup plan for protecting him.

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Well, you know, like there's nothing new here, John, I

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mean this has been done time and time again, you know,

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just you know, to kind of cloud up the perspective

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00:34:40.039 --> 00:34:43.000
and you know, whether we're talking nine to eleven, the

580
00:34:43.119 --> 00:34:45.719
Kennedy assassination, just go right on down the list. I mean,

581
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this is this is all their modus operandi, is it not.

582
00:34:49.440 --> 00:34:53.039
Yeah, we really can't put anything past the people in

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00:34:53.159 --> 00:34:56.159
the FBI and the CIA. I mean, we know they

584
00:34:56.280 --> 00:34:59.920
tried to take down President Trump. They tried to fall sleep,

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paint him as a trader, as a Russian agent. They

586
00:35:05.079 --> 00:35:08.719
use facts that they knew were false, They used fake information,

587
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they leaked it to the media. They tried to peach

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00:35:11.639 --> 00:35:15.360
him twice. It was all to try to overturn the

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results of the Democratic election. We've got federal judges nullifying

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00:35:19.320 --> 00:35:23.440
every legitimate decision Trump makes with his constitutional executive authority.

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They're just saying no. I think a lot of the

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Republicans in Congress would actually rather lose the midterms so

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that the next two years can be all about impeaching

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00:35:33.679 --> 00:35:37.280
Donald Trump, because what they want, what the Republican establishment

595
00:35:37.360 --> 00:35:41.000
still wants, is to purge the foreign body of Trump

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00:35:41.239 --> 00:35:45.880
and his populism from the Republican Party and take back

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00:35:46.039 --> 00:35:50.800
the party, recreate the Republican Party of Mitt Romney and

598
00:35:50.920 --> 00:35:57.079
Paul Ryan, which basically existed, like the Washington Generals, were

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the white guys whose job it was to lose every night,

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gracious lead to the Harlem globetrotters. The Republican Party, the

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00:36:03.079 --> 00:36:07.199
old pre Trump Republican Party, played to lose so that

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it could then fundraise and pay pay itself enormous salaries

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00:36:11.440 --> 00:36:13.920
on the backs of SAPs like you and me writing

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00:36:13.960 --> 00:36:17.199
little checks to the Republican campaign Committee to try to

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00:36:17.320 --> 00:36:19.800
take back our country, when in fact they were playing

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to lose. We saw John McCain, who had opposed Obamacare

607
00:36:24.880 --> 00:36:27.599
and ran on opposing it, flew back. One of his

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last votes in the Senate was to vote to keep

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Obamacare in place. And we know what Obamacare is. It's

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a massive wealth transfer, first of all to our healthcare companies,

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whose profits have gone up seven hundred percent since Obamacare.

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And secondly, it's well transferred from the middle class to

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the welfare class, with the health insurance companies making huge

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profits as the middleman.

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Yeah, so much for the Democratic Party narrative that they're

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for the little guy right, or.

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Keeping the little guy little, making everyone in the middle

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00:37:03.320 --> 00:37:08.719
little again. The Democrats want a society like colonial Mexico,

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a big hacienda on the hill with a man in

620
00:37:11.239 --> 00:37:13.840
a white straw hat and a bunch of guards with rifles,

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and everybody else is down in the favela and is

622
00:37:16.639 --> 00:37:19.199
afraid of their death squads. We saw that during the

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COVID panic, that what happened during COVID, the lockdowns, the

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00:37:23.559 --> 00:37:28.320
force vaccinations. They were setting up in tournament camps in

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00:37:28.400 --> 00:37:31.840
Australia for the unvaccinated and our own Centers for Disease

626
00:37:31.920 --> 00:37:34.400
Control set on its website that it planned to do

627
00:37:34.519 --> 00:37:37.920
the same thing here. So locked in your house, fired

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if you won't get take a dangerous new vaccine based

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on aborted babies. Your church's clothed, The abortion clinics opened,

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00:37:45.119 --> 00:37:49.760
the media censored anyone who spoke out doctor as epidemiologists.

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Anyone who spoke out against the narrative was labeled a

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murderer and was fired, disbarred, kicked out of the medical profession.

633
00:37:59.280 --> 00:38:03.519
That kind of totalitarian society is what the Democrats want,

634
00:38:03.639 --> 00:38:06.599
and we see they're already doing it in Britain, Great Britain.

635
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Dozens of citizens are arrested every day for just complaining

636
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about immigration. And while the government brings in thousands of

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Muslim young men of military age and puts them in

638
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barracks is all around the country. And when they rape

639
00:38:19.760 --> 00:38:23.519
Native girls, if the native girls complain about it or

640
00:38:23.599 --> 00:38:26.800
their family complains about it, the people complaining get longer

641
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prison sentences than the rapists.

642
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Exactly. Well, and look what else is going on. The

643
00:38:31.480 --> 00:38:36.239
farmers are revolting there, John, They're bringing the government of

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England to its knees.

645
00:38:38.039 --> 00:38:39.719
Well, I hope so that government.

646
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Have you seen that?

647
00:38:41.000 --> 00:38:41.360
Have you seen?

648
00:38:41.480 --> 00:38:43.000
I would not see anything about the farms.

649
00:38:43.119 --> 00:38:48.320
Oh my god. They they have stormed the bestille in tractors. John.

650
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They got thousands of tractors that have gone there and

651
00:38:52.079 --> 00:38:54.800
they've stopped the government. They're actually in a way, they're

652
00:38:54.840 --> 00:38:58.119
doing a siege ramp against the government. Wow.

653
00:38:58.400 --> 00:39:01.840
Well, I tell you the situation in Great Britain is

654
00:39:01.960 --> 00:39:04.199
so bad that I don't think there's any way of

655
00:39:04.280 --> 00:39:07.519
avoiding an eventual civil war. And the government is on

656
00:39:07.719 --> 00:39:11.760
the side of Muslim colonists. They're colonizing the place with

657
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foreigners who will vote their way and form militias. I mean,

658
00:39:16.960 --> 00:39:21.079
is it's like what the US cavalry did to the

659
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American Indians in the Midwest, where you're just taking land

660
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and resettling it with popwood settlers who will obey your orders,

661
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who will be on your side. It is that latant.

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It's basically an act of genocide, genocide by Western governments

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against Western peoples.

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Well, we got to go to quick break. Stay with us.

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America fourteen minutes before the top of the our Bill

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Martinez here with doctor John's America. John of course is

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John is that the stream stream dot org, our main

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Yeah, we're all looking forward to it. Well, John to

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kind of put a rap on what we were talking

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about here with you know, what's going on in London.

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I mean it poor tends to what's happening here in

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the West. I mean, it is amazing to see how

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quickly this uh, this crippled uh, you know London. It's

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amazing to me.

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Well, we saw what our mass, what our mess, the

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class had in mind, what our rulers had in mind

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when Joe Biden just opened the borders to all comers,

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and ten twenty million people flooded the country. And now

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judges are illegally stopping Donald Trump from deporting even a

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few thousand of them. And there's a wave of violence

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against ICE officers. It's something like an eight hundred percent.

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Em No, it's over over twelve hundred percent, now over

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twelve hundred percent, and it's being justified. Maxine Waters called

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the removal of the legal immigrants ethnic cleansing. A bishop

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and a Catholic bishop in West Virginia compared ICE officers

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to Nazi concentration camp guards. Now, what is it legitimate

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to shoot Nazi guards? Well, then I guess in this

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well with that argument, it's legitimate to shoot ice officers.

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This is domestic terrorism that is being justified by our

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ruling classes and our pastors and our bishops and our media.

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We're what we're seeing is something is a color revolution,

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you know, like the US used to do in Latin America,

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our CIA would overthrow governments that we thought might be

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leaning communists. Our CIA didn't give up on overthrowing governments

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and sent and controlling the media. Mike Benz everybody should

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follow him on YouTube. Mike Benz. He is a former

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intelligence guy. He said when the Berlin Wall fell, Western

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intelligence agencies turned their gaze on their native populations, on

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controlling their native populations, on stopping conservative Christian patriotic political

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parties from taking power, censoring them in the media. And

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now we see huge majorities support these conservative parties, even

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in France and Germany, and they're outlawing the parties, they're

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putting the candidates in prison, they're censoring the media. What

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we have are dictatorships coming to power, gradually closing off

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every means of descent in countries that we thought were free.

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Much of NATO is now as bad as the Warsaw

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Pact used to be, and we're supposed to support them.

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We're supposed to defend them and send our troops to

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fight for them. Donald Trump's recent national security document. Everyone

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should find get hold of the official national security document

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issued by the President last week. It's all about how

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NATO is turning into the Warsaw Pact right, and it's

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persecuting its people. It's doing worse, worse than the Soviet Union.

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The Soviet Union never imported millions of foreign colonists to

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come in and replace the native population. Even Communism wasn't

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as insane as what's being done now in the name

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of diversity in Europe, and Pope Leo is defending it.

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He had the nerve. I have a piece of stream

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dot org about this. Pope Leo the nerve to say,

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anyone who's afraid of Muslims, Muslim immigrants, you're just wrong.

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I mean, look, we live in peace with Muslims in Lebanon,

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he pointed to Lebanon. Lebanon was a majority Catholic country

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set up as a refuge for Middle Eastern Christians because

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of immigration, mostly of Palestinians. Christians are now twenty five

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percent of the population and they live in terror, they

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are persecuted by Muslim militias. The country went from being

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a playground, vacation playground to a hellhole. They used to

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say that Beirut was the Paris of the Middle East. Well,

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now because of Muslim immigration, Paris is becoming the Bayroot

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of Europe. Well, the Pope supports all this.

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Yeah, look at the numbers here, John. In twenty ten,

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the Muslim population in the United Kingdom was two point

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eight million. They're projecting by the year twenty thirty four

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years from now, it'll be five point five million, which

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is an increase of ninety four percent.

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They have a much higher birth rate.

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Well, of course, yeah, because they're you know, they're they're

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spitting them out like biscuits.

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And because they don't have any they don't have any

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respect for women except as breeders of new Muslim soldiers.

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That's how they seem. They treat the women the way

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we treat factory farm chickens.

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Yes, that's that's their plan and strategy. And you look

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at these numbers that that been put out. This is

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according to the Copenhagen Protocols. And it's it's amazing, I mean,

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everything is it's there's nothing less than I think forty percent.

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Everything is forty up to a high of one hundred

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and forty six percent in New Zealand, for example. You

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know the projective growth even in New Zealand, John of

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all places.

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Well, they you know, jihad is the central pillar of Islam.

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Religious war is their sacrament. It's their equivalent of the

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Great Commission.

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Or the Eucharist r.

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And they have multiple forms of jihad. There's military jihad,

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spiritual jihad. They also talk about the jihad of immigration,

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where you settle non Muslim countries with Muslims, and then

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the Jihad of the cradle, where you outbreed non Muslims

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and then you take over and you subject everyone to

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third class Jimcrow regulations, special taxes, special laws restricting non

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Muslim behavior, intended according to the Quran, to humiliate and

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subjugate non Muslims so that they eventually give up and convert.

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And that is how countries like Syria and Egypt, and

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Tunisia and Morocco, which were once Christian countries were turned

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into Muslim countries. That's what happened in Turkey, and that's

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what they intend for the entire world, because their goal

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is a Muslim planet.

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Well, this historic policy paper that Trump put out that

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you referred to, again, not surprised the mainstream media could

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care less. I mean they're not even curious about this.

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I mean, you see what's going on. I mean even

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the reports on uh, what's going on England? Like I

863
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told you, very few people are aware of what's going on,

864
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what the farmers are doing there because you know, Starmer

865
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while he you know, said hey, we're going to tax

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the holy what have you out of the farmers. Basically

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he's stealing their farms. Just what you said, Yeah, you know,

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through taxation, he's stealing their farms away. And the farmers

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have said hell no. And tractors are there in Britain

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and they're blocking up their siege working. And so this

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is all, you know again, part and parcel and indicative

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of what Trump is warning about. And the mainstream media

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lacks curiosity and interest. I mean, what you're talking about here, John,

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that NATO is wrapping up its its tentier is NATO.

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NATO has become an anti American alliance and an anti

876
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Christian alliance, and we should we should walk away from

877
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it tomorrow. Let them defend themsel else let them prosecute

878
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their stupid, pointless war in Ukraine.

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Or give up exactly. But there's no wonder why we're

880
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not satisfying and being able to take care of the

881
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Ukraine Russian war, right.

882
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Well, that should have been, that should never have happened.

883
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That only happened because our deep state overthrew a legitimate,

884
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democratically elected Ukrainian government because they thought it was too

885
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pro Russian. And then they honeycombed the Ukrainian establishment with

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CIA officers and they started opening abortion clinics and transgender

887
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clinics and trying to transform Ukraine in the image of

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San Francisco and Berkeley, California, and try to shoehorn Ukraine

889
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into NATO into a nuclear military alliance that's aimed at Russia.

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That was the equivalent of when Nikita Kristjeff tried to

891
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put Soviet missiles in Cuba and John F. Kennedy was

892
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ready to start World War Three to get those missiles

893
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out of Cuba. It's no surprise that Pewtin was willing

894
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to invade Ukraine to stop Ukraine from joining NATO. We

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would not like Mexico to join an alliance with China.

896
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We would not tolerate that no more would putin tolerate

897
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Ukraine in NATO. The whole thing was ginned up. Almost

898
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a million Europeans are dead or crippled as a result

899
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of this pointless war. That is the fault of Joe

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Biden and ultimately traceable to election fraud. And what's happening

901
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in Venezuela is really important because the government of Venezuela,

902
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the Communist dictatorship there, took power through election fraud using

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software from this company called Smartmatic that later was acquired

904
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by Dominion. And now we have whistleblowers, former spy chiefs

905
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of Venezuela writing letters to Trump saying our software can

906
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be used to steal elections. We know it is being

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used to steal elections around the world, including in America.

908
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So I over seventy countries, John, Yeah, yeah.

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So Trump is trying to overthrow the Venezuelan government in

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order to get proof of that election fraud. So we

911
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can prove not only that the twenty twenty election was stolen,

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but that the midterms are probably going to be stolen.

913
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The next presidential election might be stolen because the software

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currently in place all across America was written by Venezuelan

915
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communists using China, and is installed on Chinese made computers

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with all sorts of back doors open to where it

917
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can be the results can be altered from foreign countries.

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We now know the only reason the twenty twenty four

919
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election wasn't stolen was that a server farm in Serbia

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which was going to be the hub of throwing the

921
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election to Kamala Harris, some white hat hackers heroically disabled

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it just in time to stop it from stealing all

923
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the swing states. And if you don't believe me, go

924
00:54:45.679 --> 00:54:51.159
to Emerald Robinson's show and watch the whistleblowers she's interviewing

925
00:54:51.239 --> 00:54:53.719
about this. It is going to be God willing that

926
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government will fall and we will find all the proof

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we need to vindicate the January sixth protesters, Sydney, Paul,

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John Eastman, Rudy Giuliani, all the heroes who were persecuted,

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some of them imprisoned, bankrupted, hounded by our deep state.

930
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Exactly. You know I've been saying John, as you know,

931
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I'm just looking for that thread that and I and

932
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and something tells me that thread that will pull on

933
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UH comes out of Venezuela, and that that is going

934
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to uh lift the shroud on all this BS and

935
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deception that America has been put under, you know, as

936
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a result of you, you know, and you got to

937
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put it at the steps of Democrats and certainly some

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you know, some congenial Republicans sadly to say, uh, we

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got to leave it there, John, Doctor John's America from

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stream dot org. Make sure you go to the website

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download the app.

942
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Now.

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When will the app be in operation?

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John?

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Do you know?

946
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I think next week we'll be hitting the ground off

947
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and run and art as fast as we can, uh,

948
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giving you the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but

949
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Doctor John Zameric. Thank you, John, Take care of Maeric, yourselves,

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you two.

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Getting America back on track. Bill Martinez Live.

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Hey, good morning, welcome, six minutes after the top of

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the hour of Bill Martinez. Here with that doctor Rachel Erinfield.

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She's a founder and CEO of the New York based

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American Center for Democracy. Good morning, doctor Erinfield.

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How are you? Good morning?

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Well, great to have you with us. I wanted to

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get your your perspective on, you know, this recent attack

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in Australia at Bondi Beach. What's your assessment here?

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It's early bar.

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Series and.

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To me.

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Who have probably don't happened, would have not happened had

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the Australian government, the Labor government headed by Albanese Antil

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the Albanie would have paid any attention, would have tried

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actually to control prevent anti Semitic attacks on the Jewish community.

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They have done nothing whatsoever. They have stopped anti Israeli

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pro Hamas demonstrations for grisbol A demonstrations in Australia on

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October eighth, twenty twenty three, one day, actually it was

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because of time differences, it was actually still October seven

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in the rest of the world. There were some three

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hundred thousand people around by the Sydney Opera, yelling and

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screaming gainst the Jews, gas the Jews, so they knew

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about it while it was happening, while Hamask was attacking

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and killing mothers, babies, elderly, everybody. So, and they haven't

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done anything. There were a lot of terrorist attacks before,

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but they were not at such a large scope. There

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has been many attacks on Jews, individuals, on organizations, on businesses,

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and the Australian government has really done nothing. I recall

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people are surprised Australia. Well, yeah, it is far from here,

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it is far from anywhere else. But I remember visiting

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Australia visiting Melbourne and Sydney in nineteen ninety two, witnessing

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Progsbela anti Israeli frustrations both in Sydney and in Melbourne.

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And what did you think when you saw that?

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Because I was completely mesmer I mean, I was so surprised,

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and I said, well, what is going on? So I

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was told, yeah, well there was quite a large community

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here from Muslims, Muslim communities, and they're opposing Israel and

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they are Forsbela and this is what is going on.

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And where where did they come from?

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They came. They came from the Middle East, and they

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were just.

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The Middle East in general, not particularly like or anything

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like that, just throughout the Middle East.

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Yeah, some from some from Lebanon, others from They also

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quite a large population from Gazau the West Bank, but many,

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many from Lebanon. And there are other Muslims of course

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from Pakistan, many of them like the two murderers that

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murdered fifteen people and wounded something like forty.

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Exactly, and nothing was done.

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Now, when the Prime Minister released a letter not mentioning, oh,

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this was really a very unfortunate incidence, unfortunate incidents, and

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he didn't mention anything about Jews. He didn't mention anything

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about Muslim terrorists, although the police had already announced that

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these were radical Islamist that belonged to ISIS. He didn't

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mention any of that whatsoever. He just you know, said, well,

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unfortunately this has happened. We will try to make sure

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this doesn't happen again. That's absolutely not enough.

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Yeah, that seems like a common thing. We've been had

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a US congressman say basically the same thing about some

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National guardsmen getting shot point blank. You know, oh, it's

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an unfortunate incident. How does that entered into the vernacular

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from something that is so horrific, as you know, murdering people,

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and now it's just an incident.

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Yeah, it really seems that there is the common hate

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against America and Israel and the enemies of America or

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the enemies of Israel and the enemies of Israel or

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the enemies of America. They are against the two countries

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that really.

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Are the.

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Are the icons for Judeo Christian societies.

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And i'd say Western civilization, ribanization.

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Absolutely, And there is a very strong on the left

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and on the radical Islamis side. Uh, there is very

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a little bit on the right, like in Tifa, that

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are trying to destabilize, undermine both, destroy both and create

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cows and and at the same time, and which they

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hope will lead to world domination.

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Uh.

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Little do they know that once the cols actually increases,

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those who will take over them as well. The trends

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for Gaza and the gays for Hamas will find themselves

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not living very long afterwards, and everybody will have to

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be under Sharia. So they think that they can actually

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order the Muslims around their wrong.

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The danger that's here, Uh, it's no longer existential, it's

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it's amongst amongst us. Is what we're seeing. And I say,

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here in America and you see, you see what's happening

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in Australia. You see, we see what's happening in Europe

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in other parts.

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Christmas Christmas markets have been attacked in every European country. Uh,

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not so much in East Europe, but in in Western Europe,

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every everywhere. Uh, the attacks, the stabbing, the rape of

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women continues. And when when when the perpetrators are caught,

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Very often they are not. But when they are caught,

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the excuses the well, they had some psychological problems.

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Oh really.

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Uh.

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They don't usually like to even publish their names because

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then you know that these are okay, these are not

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local uh, people who were born in whichever country. So

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this is going on. And the level of criminality and

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violence among the migrants, mostly illegal migrants but not only

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that are allowed to stay in Europe is staggering. And

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the amount of their or the level of their involvement

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in criminal activity is absolutely mind boggling. Most of them

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are living on welfare and that's fine by them, because

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they are there in order to take advantage of this

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infidel country they're living.

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Yeah, exactly. Well, look how much money they've taken out

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of Minnesota for example. Right, And this is just one segment, right, this.

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Is one segment, and we don't even know the full

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scope of that. We don't know. It's a billiance. And

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the governor luckily is not or vice president thank god, yes,

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because he's running for a third term. He of course

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doesn't see anything, you know, anything specially about the fact

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that these were the whole Somali for most of the

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percentage involvement in crime and criminality.

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Doctor Airfield. We got to take a quick break. We've

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got to go a quick break. We'll pick it up

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And we're back with you, Bill Martinez here with doctor

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Rachel Arnfeld. She's the founder and CEO of the New

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the Soros Agenda. Doctor Erenfeld, you know, I don't know

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what more the West needs to see and what they expect.

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I mean, just some basic critical thinking about the nature

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They come here into our country, they are now committing

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fraud and uh. And then what's worse is we've got

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politicians like as you mentioned, somebody who could have been

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the Vice president of the United States complicit. I don't

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know how you did, you know, disengage his involvement with

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what's happening in Minneapolis, for example.

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I don't and I hope that the actually gets down

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been very close to an omar from Minnesota who really

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hates America. She said so, and she hates Israel and

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she she used for the expanding the global into FADA

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similarly to our may are in New York. R h

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and Hiss and the people he hired for his administration

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are all also for globalizing into FADA programas anti Israel.

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So I don't know, this does not actually look too good,

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but this is really what the This is how the

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Democratic Party once was the Democratic Party has been hijacked

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first by the very radical left, which actually morphed and

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was taken over by globalizing to FADA.

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It's amazing to me because one thing that's under reported

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here is how again you follow the money, right, how

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01:13:33.319 --> 01:13:35.439
much of that fraud, the billions of dollars and we're

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01:13:35.479 --> 01:13:38.840
only talking Minneapolis, right, how much of those billions of

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01:13:38.880 --> 01:13:43.119
dollars are going to politicians because that's what's protecting them.

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01:13:43.159 --> 01:13:46.239
And then also I believe mainstream media is getting some

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as we would say in mafia terms, the vague, they're

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01:13:49.079 --> 01:13:51.199
getting some big out of it as well, right, So

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01:13:51.439 --> 01:13:54.600
they're all getting incentivised to keep us all in the

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01:13:54.720 --> 01:13:58.079
dark like mushrooms, you know, fed manure, and we're gonna

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01:13:58.119 --> 01:14:00.560
end up being like Australia here, Joe, what do you

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01:14:00.640 --> 01:14:01.279
think we.

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01:14:01.319 --> 01:14:05.000
Will be like what you see in England? England now,

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01:14:05.119 --> 01:14:09.279
which was the cradle of free speech, now have last

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to punish anybody who even looks at comments that the

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government doesn't like. Yes, uh, this is incredible.

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Uh.

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And Christians are actually being punished in England.

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01:14:27.000 --> 01:14:28.920
Well that's and that's around the world actually, I mean

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Christian persecution is on the rise. And as you mentioned,

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I mean what's happening in Israel's happened in Christianity.

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01:14:39.319 --> 01:14:44.479
As a Christian, you would be the safest uh physically

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01:14:44.920 --> 01:14:49.199
and to practice or uh and free to practice your

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01:14:49.279 --> 01:14:53.680
religion anywhere and any time, go to any church. Nobody

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01:14:53.800 --> 01:14:59.079
is doing anything, not long is desecrating any churches. As

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01:14:59.119 --> 01:15:02.319
an Arab, your freer in Israel than you free in

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in most Arab fifty seven Arab majority countries. And of

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course it's a Jew, you are the free. It's really

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the freest and the safest country. But the hatred towards it.

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01:15:19.600 --> 01:15:20.079
And the.

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The huge amounts of propaganda funded by even more money

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from Qatar. Qatar has more money than Sand. Okay, remember

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01:15:34.439 --> 01:15:38.000
they are on the shores in the desert, but they

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01:15:38.079 --> 01:15:43.199
have more money than Sand. And they have been bribing, corrupting,

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01:15:43.439 --> 01:15:50.399
corrupting everybody, and nobody's stopping them. And unfortunately they have

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01:15:50.560 --> 01:15:53.520
become now a special ally to the United States.

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01:15:54.640 --> 01:15:56.840
I mean they're a double agent, are they not, Well,

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they are.

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01:15:57.319 --> 01:16:01.840
The arsonists and and claimed to be also the fireman.

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Yeah, and that's like the Democrats. The Democrats do the

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01:16:05.199 --> 01:16:06.399
same thing, right.

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01:16:06.760 --> 01:16:09.960
Well, they actually went after the Democrats. Now they are

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01:16:10.079 --> 01:16:13.680
going also. They have been also funding some churches, there

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01:16:13.720 --> 01:16:17.680
have been some religious leaders here in the United States.

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01:16:18.159 --> 01:16:22.079
They've done it elsewhere. They are funding also on some

1253
01:16:22.479 --> 01:16:25.279
people on the right. Like there is a lot of

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01:16:25.399 --> 01:16:31.359
talk about when Tucker Carlson, for example, and his special

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01:16:31.439 --> 01:16:36.199
relations with Hamas and he's actually in his uh hateful

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01:16:38.039 --> 01:16:46.159
inciting programs that he has he actually uh falsifies history,

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01:16:47.520 --> 01:16:53.720
lies about Israel, lies about conservatives here in America. This

1258
01:16:53.920 --> 01:16:57.039
is very dangerous. He used to be a celebrity for

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01:16:58.000 --> 01:17:01.600
conservatism in this country. He is no more. I mean

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01:17:01.800 --> 01:17:07.800
money money, apparently changes can change. I don't know get

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01:17:07.840 --> 01:17:08.279
people out.

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01:17:09.039 --> 01:17:12.720
It's the history of man. What greed and money will do.

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01:17:13.960 --> 01:17:16.000
I want to transition a bit here because we've got

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01:17:16.039 --> 01:17:19.319
about four minutes left now. Whytn't you ask to address

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01:17:19.960 --> 01:17:22.720
this crazy yeah, Venezuela, this crazy stuff. I mean, you know,

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01:17:22.800 --> 01:17:26.640
you talk about the delusionment that's happening and how our

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01:17:26.720 --> 01:17:29.039
country is denying things. And again, you know, you look

1268
01:17:29.079 --> 01:17:31.439
at what happened in Australia and you go, Okay, there's

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01:17:31.479 --> 01:17:34.399
something here, and are we doing the same thing? I mean,

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01:17:34.760 --> 01:17:37.520
and Australia, I mean, forget it, they're not even hiding.

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01:17:37.560 --> 01:17:40.119
And of course I've had other experts say that's the

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01:17:40.239 --> 01:17:45.039
nature of you know, the Muslim of terrorists, and the

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01:17:45.119 --> 01:17:48.760
ideology is there. You know, they're very complacent when they're

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01:17:48.880 --> 01:17:51.000
under five percent, but when they start gaining more than

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01:17:51.079 --> 01:17:53.520
five percent in any kind of area, they become more

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01:17:53.560 --> 01:17:56.199
and more aggressive. And of course, you know, it just

1277
01:17:56.279 --> 01:17:58.800
astounds me that you would have hundreds of thousands of

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01:17:58.920 --> 01:18:02.920
people just coming out and you know, promoting, you know,

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01:18:03.000 --> 01:18:05.960
this kind of hatred, and that you would somehow accommodate

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01:18:06.000 --> 01:18:07.760
What did you think was going to happen after that?

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01:18:08.000 --> 01:18:08.119
Right?

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01:18:08.760 --> 01:18:12.720
Well? Yeah, and for the same reason when President Trump

1283
01:18:12.800 --> 01:18:17.159
speaks about Venezuela and ourcataroism, it involves, of course more

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01:18:18.479 --> 01:18:26.239
supplying or selling oil Iranian or sanctioned oil, providing arms

1285
01:18:26.319 --> 01:18:31.039
to Iran, et ceter It's dangerous because Iran it's together

1286
01:18:31.199 --> 01:18:37.439
with Qatar, although they are on the Iranians, Alshia and

1287
01:18:37.680 --> 01:18:42.039
Qatar or Sunnis when it comes to attacking the West,

1288
01:18:42.239 --> 01:18:47.560
when it comes to undermining America, when it comes to

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01:18:47.680 --> 01:18:50.800
killing Jews, boy, they cooperate very well.

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01:18:50.880 --> 01:18:52.760
Yeah, exactly. Well, it's the enemy of my enemy, as

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01:18:52.800 --> 01:18:55.159
they say, you know. And getting back to this s deal,

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01:18:56.119 --> 01:18:59.199
as I was referring to the Democrats themselves, I mean

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01:18:59.239 --> 01:19:01.479
what Jim Hein, the Democrat out of Connecticut had to

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01:19:01.560 --> 01:19:05.159
say in terms of denying narco terrorism that doesn't exist.

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01:19:05.439 --> 01:19:07.239
I mean, that's as crazy as.

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01:19:08.520 --> 01:19:10.479
He should read my he should read The book I

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01:19:10.560 --> 01:19:15.279
have published was published by Basic Books in nineteen ninety

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01:19:15.439 --> 01:19:21.000
nineteen ninety three, nineteen ninety two. Narco Terrorism I have read.

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01:19:21.159 --> 01:19:24.800
I have read really the information the history of narco

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01:19:24.960 --> 01:19:30.520
terrorism is in the book. And sure there is narco terrorism,

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01:19:31.479 --> 01:19:38.279
and it is the narcotics. The drugs are an unconventional weapon.

1302
01:19:38.600 --> 01:19:41.960
But the fantastic weapon to kill as many as you

1303
01:19:42.039 --> 01:19:46.159
can in your in your enemy, not in an open war,

1304
01:19:47.039 --> 01:19:51.039
and you poison them. It's really it's a chemical warfare.

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01:19:51.880 --> 01:19:55.680
And it also helps to corrupt that society that you

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01:19:55.720 --> 01:19:59.800
are attacking exactly. And also you can use them the

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01:20:00.000 --> 01:20:03.760
mixtures of people on drugs in order to recruit more

1308
01:20:03.880 --> 01:20:09.600
jihadis to go and and destroy them, because these are

1309
01:20:09.720 --> 01:20:14.680
despicable creatures, right, And it gets a lot of money.

1310
01:20:14.840 --> 01:20:20.960
So people are asking, well, if if Venezuela cannot get

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01:20:21.079 --> 01:20:25.279
any more revenues from the illegal oilselves, what will happen. Well,

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01:20:25.439 --> 01:20:28.319
they make quite a lot of money on drug sales.

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01:20:29.800 --> 01:20:32.840
Sure it's not enough, but it's a huge, huge, huge

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01:20:32.920 --> 01:20:36.680
business and they should be really the Maduro government should

1315
01:20:36.720 --> 01:20:37.560
really be gone.

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01:20:38.359 --> 01:20:40.439
Well, thank god Donald Trump is doing something about it

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01:20:40.520 --> 01:20:42.840
to protect our kids, you know, Rachel, it's been what

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01:20:43.520 --> 01:20:45.840
you say, the last decade alone, how many of our

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01:20:45.920 --> 01:20:48.760
young people particularly that have been targeted with these this

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01:20:48.920 --> 01:20:52.960
narco terrorism have killed just even in one year more,

1321
01:20:53.279 --> 01:20:55.960
you know, we've we had more losses against with young

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01:20:56.000 --> 01:20:58.119
people in one year than we did what in twelve

1323
01:20:58.159 --> 01:20:59.319
fifteen years of Vietnam.

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Yeah, and it's not only the people who died, it's

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also the people who got addicted and are addicted for life.

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Look at what happened in Hollywood exactly when a drug

1327
01:21:11.199 --> 01:21:15.840
addict son killed his parents. It is really when they

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01:21:15.880 --> 01:21:19.720
are going to treatment, it caused the taxpayer a lot

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01:21:19.800 --> 01:21:23.039
of money to take care of them. Also, when they

1330
01:21:23.079 --> 01:21:28.119
are arrested because they commit crimes, they are being prisons

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01:21:28.159 --> 01:21:31.159
are being funded by the tax payer. So the whole

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01:21:31.239 --> 01:21:35.159
thing is very bad. It creates cows in society, and

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01:21:35.279 --> 01:21:38.760
it weakens and undermines the society. And this is the

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goal of doing that.

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Well, doctor Arnfeld, we got to have you back and

1336
01:21:42.079 --> 01:21:44.760
continue this conversation because you just opened up something that

1337
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I'd been talking about that the media is not addressing,

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01:21:47.720 --> 01:21:51.520
and that is the ramifications of drug addiction. And of

1339
01:21:51.560 --> 01:21:54.760
course we look and saw and horrifically what happened in

1340
01:21:54.880 --> 01:21:58.079
Los Angeles, and it's part and parcel of years of

1341
01:21:58.560 --> 01:22:02.039
the same thing. We're getting trapped in this denial cycle

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and not really addressing the issue. But now Donald Trump

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has said enough of this stuff, and we're starting to

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blow boats out of the water and do something to

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01:22:09.279 --> 01:22:12.279
protect our kids. That's a good first step, but We've

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got a lot yet to do. Right, absolutely right, so well,

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Doctor Arnfeld, like I said. She is the founder and

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CEO of the New York based American Center for Democracy

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and the Economic Warfare Institute. She's also the author of

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the Soros Agenda. Doctor Arnfeld has always we appreciate the time,

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take care, have a good one.

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Bill Martinez here, and we've got the author of the

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book Prisoner of Hope Captured by Grace, Ramona Tuma is

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going to be joining us in just a moment. An

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incredible story here. I mean, let me just read this

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subheadline here. When adversity comes, do you give up or

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rise up? This author survived abuse, her children's abduction, a

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hit man, plus cancer and strokes, and she's still praising God.

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I think that after maybe a couple of these events, Mona,

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I'd probably be just saying, hello, God, help, what do

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you do? What are you doing with me?

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Yes?

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I have done that, Yes exactly. So what a story?

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So this book, Prisoner of Hope Captured by Grace? Is

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this a book that had to be written?

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Yes, it did have to be written. It's a true story,

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my story, and it's a book that other people will

1434
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find value and find healing in it themselves.

1435
01:27:18.039 --> 01:27:21.000
Right, Well, I mean you have the story to tell

1436
01:27:21.479 --> 01:27:25.640
for somebody that you know it's going through some tough times.

1437
01:27:26.159 --> 01:27:28.199
You can tell them by experience. You know, the Bible

1438
01:27:28.279 --> 01:27:31.039
says he who knows that God will do mighty exploits

1439
01:27:31.399 --> 01:27:34.199
and that knowing God is by experience. And you've had

1440
01:27:34.760 --> 01:27:39.000
a real close experience and relationship with God through all

1441
01:27:39.039 --> 01:27:40.760
these trials, right, all of it?

1442
01:27:41.159 --> 01:27:47.199
Yes, I have. I when I married my first husband,

1443
01:27:47.279 --> 01:27:52.600
I was in rebellion and paid for it, and he

1444
01:27:53.000 --> 01:27:57.239
was very abusive and he abused me and the children,

1445
01:27:59.000 --> 01:28:01.279
and then he had to the children and we didn't

1446
01:28:01.319 --> 01:28:04.920
know where they were for over a year. And it

1447
01:28:05.119 --> 01:28:11.479
was my leaning on God that got me through that time.

1448
01:28:12.560 --> 01:28:16.039
And I really did lean on him.

1449
01:28:17.039 --> 01:28:17.159
Uh.

1450
01:28:17.600 --> 01:28:20.680
My mother was also dying at the time this was

1451
01:28:20.800 --> 01:28:24.359
going on. She had cancer and it was in her

1452
01:28:24.439 --> 01:28:27.960
last days and she asked me, she said, Monta, just

1453
01:28:28.279 --> 01:28:31.319
can we just pray one more time for the Lord

1454
01:28:31.399 --> 01:28:34.800
to return the children? And I told her Mom, I

1455
01:28:35.159 --> 01:28:40.199
really have surrendered them, and I really had. I took

1456
01:28:40.319 --> 01:28:43.399
a long time to get to that place. I said,

1457
01:28:43.560 --> 01:28:46.520
someday he's going to return them, but the timing's up

1458
01:28:46.600 --> 01:28:50.239
to him. Well, shortly after we prayed that time, and

1459
01:28:50.439 --> 01:28:54.479
right before mother died, we did get anonymous phone call

1460
01:28:55.199 --> 01:29:00.159
and the children were returned to us, and so she

1461
01:29:00.239 --> 01:29:03.000
did get to see them one last time before she died.

1462
01:29:03.239 --> 01:29:04.800
I was going to ask you if that was the case.

1463
01:29:04.880 --> 01:29:08.760
That's awesome. So God answered her prayer. Right before she

1464
01:29:08.920 --> 01:29:11.920
goes to see God himself, she sees her children, her

1465
01:29:11.960 --> 01:29:19.720
grand Yes. Yes, So they were abducted for a year.

1466
01:29:21.159 --> 01:29:24.159
So what happened between the relationship between you and your

1467
01:29:24.159 --> 01:29:26.640
ex husband at that point? Have you did you have

1468
01:29:26.720 --> 01:29:29.319
any further connection or any did you have any visitation

1469
01:29:29.479 --> 01:29:31.680
with the kids, or was just return the kids that

1470
01:29:31.800 --> 01:29:33.399
said I don't want anything to do with anybody.

1471
01:29:34.560 --> 01:29:40.039
No, he was court ordered to return them to me,

1472
01:29:41.199 --> 01:29:43.279
But then that started a four and a half year

1473
01:29:43.399 --> 01:29:48.039
court trial where he was trying to get visitation rights

1474
01:29:48.079 --> 01:29:50.680
and anything that he yet not that he cared for

1475
01:29:50.760 --> 01:29:54.520
the kids, but that he hated me. And that was

1476
01:29:54.640 --> 01:29:58.800
evident in the abuse the children had. And they were

1477
01:30:00.039 --> 01:30:02.800
you know, quite yet at that time, but they were

1478
01:30:02.880 --> 01:30:06.039
still grossly abused at that time also.

1479
01:30:06.800 --> 01:30:10.920
And they're there with their father without you protecting them,

1480
01:30:11.000 --> 01:30:12.960
because before you were there to protect them.

1481
01:30:13.640 --> 01:30:18.479
Yes, yes, And I knew something like this was going

1482
01:30:18.560 --> 01:30:22.199
to happen to them, so I tried to prepare them,

1483
01:30:22.399 --> 01:30:25.920
and I taught them a song, and it's an old

1484
01:30:26.039 --> 01:30:28.279
song called I See the Moon and the moon sees

1485
01:30:28.399 --> 01:30:31.760
me down through the leaves of the old oak tree.

1486
01:30:31.920 --> 01:30:34.239
Please don't feel like that shines on me, shine on

1487
01:30:34.319 --> 01:30:37.399
the ones I love. And I told them whenever they

1488
01:30:37.520 --> 01:30:39.880
thought that I was not looking for them or that

1489
01:30:40.039 --> 01:30:42.840
they were missing, to remember that song and know that

1490
01:30:43.000 --> 01:30:44.119
I was looking for them.

1491
01:30:44.880 --> 01:30:47.159
So you had prepared them. You knew that this was

1492
01:30:47.399 --> 01:30:51.680
possibly would happen, and so you prepare them in advance.

1493
01:30:52.319 --> 01:30:58.800
Yes, yes, And my daughter would there were five at

1494
01:30:58.840 --> 01:31:01.319
the time. She was five at the time. She was

1495
01:31:01.359 --> 01:31:06.119
going and tell my son, you got to remember that,

1496
01:31:06.479 --> 01:31:10.039
Mama said, did not forget and to remember the song.

1497
01:31:10.560 --> 01:31:15.600
And she said the only time that she had was

1498
01:31:17.960 --> 01:31:21.560
was upset with all this at that time was when

1499
01:31:21.600 --> 01:31:24.680
it was raining or storming and they would look out

1500
01:31:24.720 --> 01:31:28.239
their window and they couldn't find the name. And even

1501
01:31:28.399 --> 01:31:32.279
that makes me cry, even all these years down it's

1502
01:31:32.359 --> 01:31:36.199
been fifty My daughter's fifty and my son is fifty one.

1503
01:31:37.199 --> 01:31:39.279
So this happened a long time ago, and they have

1504
01:31:40.000 --> 01:31:45.000
wonderful families. They are both really got the kids they

1505
01:31:47.199 --> 01:31:52.800
you know, I remarried, uh during that time, and my husband.

1506
01:31:53.239 --> 01:31:55.840
If if it had not been for my husband, Jerry,

1507
01:31:56.000 --> 01:31:58.880
they never would have turned out well because he was

1508
01:31:58.960 --> 01:32:02.119
able to show them a godly man was and he

1509
01:32:02.239 --> 01:32:05.600
exactly adopted him. He adopted him.

1510
01:32:06.119 --> 01:32:10.239
Wow. Well, and imagine, uh, the adjustments that they have

1511
01:32:10.359 --> 01:32:13.279
to go through the trauma, even you know, very young,

1512
01:32:13.399 --> 01:32:17.439
because even at that age, their conscience and their developmental

1513
01:32:17.560 --> 01:32:20.199
development isn't set up in such a way to where

1514
01:32:20.279 --> 01:32:22.960
they can, you know, kind of diffuse this stuff. They're

1515
01:32:23.039 --> 01:32:25.560
they're like sponges and they're just taking the hits, right.

1516
01:32:26.319 --> 01:32:29.319
Yes, they were, and they were literal hits, especially my son.

1517
01:32:30.600 --> 01:32:34.600
The way we found them was my son was thrown

1518
01:32:34.680 --> 01:32:38.000
over an eight foot sock fence face first, Oh my god,

1519
01:32:38.039 --> 01:32:43.760
and his back was broken and he was cut severely

1520
01:32:43.840 --> 01:32:48.359
underneath his eye. And he was taken to the hospital

1521
01:32:48.439 --> 01:32:51.159
and the hospital and he began to ask them where's

1522
01:32:51.239 --> 01:32:55.159
my mommy, And so they began to look for me

1523
01:32:55.319 --> 01:32:59.279
at that time, and so it was an outside agent

1524
01:32:59.439 --> 01:33:00.000
that connects.

1525
01:33:00.079 --> 01:33:01.520
Did you not your ex husband?

1526
01:33:02.039 --> 01:33:05.840
No, it was actually his, the woman he was living

1527
01:33:05.960 --> 01:33:10.039
with was I just got to I just received an

1528
01:33:10.079 --> 01:33:14.880
anonymous phone call and didn't realize that it was her

1529
01:33:15.199 --> 01:33:18.920
that was the one who set it up and told

1530
01:33:18.960 --> 01:33:22.800
them that I existed. And if that had not happened,

1531
01:33:22.880 --> 01:33:25.640
we don't know, I don't I don't know what would

1532
01:33:25.680 --> 01:33:27.640
happen except the lord was in patrol.

1533
01:33:28.079 --> 01:33:30.720
Oh, no doubt. How far away were you from the

1534
01:33:30.840 --> 01:33:33.079
kids distance wise?

1535
01:33:35.079 --> 01:33:39.000
They were all I was. I'm from Texas and they

1536
01:33:39.039 --> 01:33:40.439
were all the way in California.

1537
01:33:40.760 --> 01:33:41.880
Oh wow, Okay, So.

1538
01:33:42.039 --> 01:33:45.800
He had taken him and he was very careful. He

1539
01:33:45.920 --> 01:33:48.880
tied him to trees so that he didn't have to

1540
01:33:48.920 --> 01:33:51.239
put them in a daycare or our school.

1541
01:33:53.119 --> 01:33:53.399
He was.

1542
01:33:53.960 --> 01:33:58.840
It was terrible abuse on their part. I have my

1543
01:33:59.239 --> 01:34:04.399
daughter and I've done a video of this. It's on animals,

1544
01:34:04.640 --> 01:34:10.279
it's on YouTube YouTube. Yes, and she told things, and

1545
01:34:10.439 --> 01:34:13.760
she did as an adult, and she told me things

1546
01:34:13.840 --> 01:34:16.960
in that interview that I didn't even know that I

1547
01:34:17.159 --> 01:34:21.159
did not know all these years later, and I had

1548
01:34:21.239 --> 01:34:25.560
to stop the interviewing because I was so amazed.

1549
01:34:25.800 --> 01:34:28.159
Oh, my God, I imagine that kind of just reopens

1550
01:34:28.239 --> 01:34:30.680
the wound even though God has killed you. I get that, yes,

1551
01:34:30.880 --> 01:34:35.039
but still, you know, hey, we can, you know, we

1552
01:34:35.119 --> 01:34:39.279
can forgive. But it just God doesn't ask us to forget, right, No.

1553
01:34:39.520 --> 01:34:42.359
He does not, and he doesn't ask us to forget,

1554
01:34:43.079 --> 01:34:47.439
and forgivenesses don't mean relationship. And that was a real

1555
01:34:47.600 --> 01:34:50.239
revelation to me. You know, everyone was saying, well, you

1556
01:34:50.359 --> 01:34:53.359
have to forgive him, and I could forgive him until

1557
01:34:53.399 --> 01:34:57.920
I understood that forgiveness does not mean relationship with a

1558
01:34:58.000 --> 01:35:02.319
harmful person, right, forgive, But I didn't have to have

1559
01:35:02.399 --> 01:35:04.520
a relationship with nor did the children.

1560
01:35:04.960 --> 01:35:06.560
Yeah, you didn't have to be You didn't have to

1561
01:35:06.720 --> 01:35:10.520
remarry him or go through all that stuff. And you

1562
01:35:10.600 --> 01:35:14.000
know it's just okay. But as far as any kind

1563
01:35:14.039 --> 01:35:16.159
of resentment, you said, God, that that belongs to you,

1564
01:35:16.319 --> 01:35:19.079
I'm gonna let you guess that right, Yes, yes, yes,

1565
01:35:19.560 --> 01:35:22.159
How liberating was that for you when you came to

1566
01:35:22.279 --> 01:35:23.399
that acknowledgment.

1567
01:35:25.800 --> 01:35:31.000
Well before I came to that acknowledgement, I was going crazy.

1568
01:35:31.359 --> 01:35:37.000
I just couldn't find the kids. My husband, Jerry is hurt.

1569
01:35:37.119 --> 01:35:41.520
His father was chief of arson in Dallas and even

1570
01:35:41.680 --> 01:35:44.760
he looked for the children and he had big guns

1571
01:35:44.840 --> 01:35:49.960
looking for them, and uh, we just had nothing and

1572
01:35:50.119 --> 01:35:56.399
knew nothing. So I was really utterly dependent on God

1573
01:35:57.359 --> 01:36:03.520
during that and believing that he was caring for them.

1574
01:36:04.399 --> 01:36:05.800
The root problem with me.

1575
01:36:06.479 --> 01:36:08.119
I'll tell you, hang on one second, We've got to

1576
01:36:08.119 --> 01:36:09.399
go to quick break. We'll pick it up on the

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other side. More from Ramona Tom after this stay with us.

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Hey, we're back with you. The book is Prisoner of Hope,

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Captured by Grace. What a story and we're barely, just

1653
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barely getting into it. It's just unbelievable what Ramona Tuma

1654
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and her children have experienced. Mona, as you were saying,

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right before the break. Go ahead, I want you to

1656
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pick up with your story.

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Go ahead.

1658
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Well, the real issue with me was after I got

1659
01:40:42.640 --> 01:40:46.239
them back, because I had trust in God with him,

1660
01:40:47.159 --> 01:40:51.439
and you have the abuse so terrible during that time

1661
01:40:52.800 --> 01:40:57.960
I was, I was, I had to deal with a

1662
01:40:58.039 --> 01:41:01.920
lot of anger then of God and you know where

1663
01:41:02.039 --> 01:41:06.079
were you? I was trusting you and then this happened.

1664
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And even that I had to surrender to the Lord.

1665
01:41:09.720 --> 01:41:14.840
It was my anger towards him. And I've had a

1666
01:41:14.880 --> 01:41:18.279
lot of time in my life where I've had to

1667
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deal with anger. Yeah, and you have to deal with

1668
01:41:21.720 --> 01:41:23.399
it or I'll eat you alive.

1669
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Well, this was an incredible relationship because you were I

1670
01:41:27.479 --> 01:41:29.720
mean to hear what he did. I mean not only

1671
01:41:29.800 --> 01:41:33.399
to you but your kids. I mean, he's a very

1672
01:41:33.439 --> 01:41:37.039
angry person himself that never resolved it, and he hires

1673
01:41:37.079 --> 01:41:38.279
a hit man to come after you.

1674
01:41:38.960 --> 01:41:43.239
Yes, we had four years of court trial after we

1675
01:41:43.399 --> 01:41:47.319
got them back, because he was intent on getting visitation

1676
01:41:47.520 --> 01:41:49.640
and there was no way we were not. He was

1677
01:41:49.880 --> 01:41:51.880
not going to have anything to do and we were.

1678
01:41:51.920 --> 01:41:54.239
Well, what were the kids thinking, I mean, any possibility

1679
01:41:54.279 --> 01:41:56.199
of seeing their father again after all they went through.

1680
01:41:56.760 --> 01:42:00.279
They were terrified they'd be traumatized. I would believe right, yeah,

1681
01:42:00.560 --> 01:42:01.439
very they were.

1682
01:42:02.399 --> 01:42:03.600
And so.

1683
01:42:05.359 --> 01:42:12.760
When with my ex husband decided that he would hire

1684
01:42:12.800 --> 01:42:19.119
a hitman too, uh take me out of the pature

1685
01:42:19.239 --> 01:42:24.960
quote quote and uh. So we got a phone call,

1686
01:42:25.199 --> 01:42:28.560
an anonymous phone call, another anonymous phone called, you know,

1687
01:42:29.600 --> 01:42:35.640
and it was a man telling me. First of all,

1688
01:42:35.680 --> 01:42:38.159
he asked me, did I feel like my ex husband

1689
01:42:38.319 --> 01:42:41.359
was a very violent man? And I said, well, what

1690
01:42:41.439 --> 01:42:46.680
do you think? And he said, he said, well, he

1691
01:42:47.000 --> 01:42:50.840
I've been hired to I've been given a thirty eight

1692
01:42:50.920 --> 01:42:55.760
thousand dollars contract to take you out, and I've been

1693
01:42:55.840 --> 01:42:56.479
hired to do that.

1694
01:42:58.319 --> 01:42:59.920
I how do you? How do you prush?

1695
01:43:00.079 --> 01:43:04.279
As something like that moment, I screamed, I slid down

1696
01:43:04.359 --> 01:43:07.920
the wall and I screamed for my husband, my husband's name,

1697
01:43:08.279 --> 01:43:09.520
to come and take the phone.

1698
01:43:10.159 --> 01:43:10.359
Yeah.

1699
01:43:10.920 --> 01:43:14.279
And then from there, from that phone call, we called

1700
01:43:14.880 --> 01:43:20.359
our attorney. We also called the children's psychiatrists and asked

1701
01:43:20.560 --> 01:43:26.680
him what he thought, and he told my attorney he said, well,

1702
01:43:27.880 --> 01:43:30.800
I believe that it's so possible that I'm going to

1703
01:43:30.920 --> 01:43:34.159
get a life insurance policy to make it worth my

1704
01:43:34.279 --> 01:43:37.920
wife's while if he does do something. Because the contract was,

1705
01:43:38.000 --> 01:43:40.840
it'st me, my counselor.

1706
01:43:40.600 --> 01:43:40.920
And my.

1707
01:43:43.199 --> 01:43:43.680
Attorney.

1708
01:43:44.000 --> 01:43:47.880
Yeah right, wow, unbelievable.

1709
01:43:49.279 --> 01:43:49.840
So here it is.

1710
01:43:49.960 --> 01:43:54.399
You got four plus years of going through. You get

1711
01:43:54.439 --> 01:43:56.479
your children back, but now you're dealing with the ex.

1712
01:43:56.840 --> 01:43:59.039
He's trying to take you out. He writes a check

1713
01:43:59.079 --> 01:44:02.199
for thirty eight thousand, and and you get you get

1714
01:44:02.239 --> 01:44:06.760
the call from the hitman. Yeah, a hitman with a conscience. Right, yeah,

1715
01:44:06.920 --> 01:44:09.640
well that had to be God. Right.

1716
01:44:10.680 --> 01:44:13.119
We asked him. My attorney asked him, well, what did

1717
01:44:13.199 --> 01:44:15.760
you do with the money? And he said, I took

1718
01:44:15.880 --> 01:44:19.199
my wife on the best vacation ever. I think it

1719
01:44:19.319 --> 01:44:22.079
was Italy that it took him somewhere of it. He said,

1720
01:44:22.119 --> 01:44:25.000
I took him on vacation. And he said, and then

1721
01:44:25.039 --> 01:44:26.760
I got home and started thinking about it, and I

1722
01:44:26.880 --> 01:44:31.399
went one of this guy was serious. And my attendant

1723
01:44:31.479 --> 01:44:34.680
attorney says, well, what do you think and he says, yeah,

1724
01:44:34.760 --> 01:44:35.760
he's pretty serious.

1725
01:44:36.720 --> 01:44:38.520
Well, yeah, you paid your thirty eight thousand, you go

1726
01:44:38.600 --> 01:44:42.359
on vacation, and you haven't fulfilled your commitment to the contract.

1727
01:44:42.479 --> 01:44:43.800
Chances are he's going to come after you.

1728
01:44:44.720 --> 01:44:44.880
Right.

1729
01:44:45.520 --> 01:44:48.199
The contract was also against the judge.

1730
01:44:48.560 --> 01:44:49.159
Yeah, oh wow.

1731
01:44:49.760 --> 01:44:55.840
And the judge was absolutely furious, and she said, you know, uh,

1732
01:44:57.760 --> 01:45:02.600
he missed. My sensband missed the court trial that we

1733
01:45:02.720 --> 01:45:05.560
were supposed to be at and he missed it and

1734
01:45:05.640 --> 01:45:09.199
he wasn't there, and my judge asked where we is

1735
01:45:09.279 --> 01:45:12.199
he and no one knew, and so she said, well,

1736
01:45:12.279 --> 01:45:16.279
let's try this case. So she tried the whole case

1737
01:45:16.399 --> 01:45:20.800
without him being there and made her really her ruling

1738
01:45:20.960 --> 01:45:27.199
of we're finished here. He's you know, stunned deal. And

1739
01:45:27.359 --> 01:45:31.720
then after that, my we didn't expect. We didn't know

1740
01:45:31.760 --> 01:45:35.239
if we were here for my exit again, but the

1741
01:45:35.399 --> 01:45:41.640
judge did here, and she granted another trial because she

1742
01:45:41.720 --> 01:45:46.760
didn't know if this trial would hold up in appeal,

1743
01:45:47.000 --> 01:45:51.640
and we knew the appeal yes, And so we went

1744
01:45:51.720 --> 01:45:55.720
through all that, and the judge was at the trial.

1745
01:45:56.520 --> 01:46:00.159
You know, obviously she was at the trial, and she not.

1746
01:46:00.640 --> 01:46:04.840
She slammed her gavel down and she looked at me

1747
01:46:04.920 --> 01:46:07.520
and said, you were going to try to get them

1748
01:46:08.279 --> 01:46:12.279
by going around to me. No, no, judge, I wouldn't

1749
01:46:12.279 --> 01:46:17.359
do that. She said, well, evidently you did, and so

1750
01:46:18.199 --> 01:46:23.960
that all shut down after that was over. It's interesting

1751
01:46:24.279 --> 01:46:28.760
when I was writing the book, just a few a

1752
01:46:28.840 --> 01:46:31.760
couple of weeks before. I guess it was just a

1753
01:46:31.880 --> 01:46:35.159
few weeks before when I was writing the book, he

1754
01:46:35.319 --> 01:46:41.319
passed away. I was stunned. He just and so I

1755
01:46:41.520 --> 01:46:46.199
had very carefully tried to protect the children. So because

1756
01:46:46.239 --> 01:46:49.760
the book had not been totally printed, I went back

1757
01:46:50.039 --> 01:46:52.920
and said some things in there that I did not

1758
01:46:53.119 --> 01:46:55.359
say before in order to protect them.

1759
01:46:56.039 --> 01:46:56.199
Right.

1760
01:46:57.239 --> 01:47:02.399
Wow, Uh, that's just an incredible story. But if that's

1761
01:47:02.479 --> 01:47:05.880
not enough, I mean, in reading your book, and you

1762
01:47:06.000 --> 01:47:07.760
probably felt the same way, did you feel like you

1763
01:47:07.880 --> 01:47:09.359
were the real life version of job?

1764
01:47:10.359 --> 01:47:14.279
Yes, many times, because here you go through.

1765
01:47:14.159 --> 01:47:18.159
All this ordeal, your mom dies of cancer, and then

1766
01:47:18.479 --> 01:47:21.039
you get cancer not once, but twice yourself.

1767
01:47:21.199 --> 01:47:23.960
Right, Yes, I've had it three times?

1768
01:47:24.199 --> 01:47:25.640
Oh now three okay, all right?

1769
01:47:26.359 --> 01:47:30.920
And I've had two strokes and just finished writing my

1770
01:47:31.319 --> 01:47:34.960
second book that's coming out in January. It's called A

1771
01:47:35.000 --> 01:47:39.439
Whispering Hope From Darkness to Dawn, and it's the story

1772
01:47:39.600 --> 01:47:44.560
of the two strokes and how the second soak was.

1773
01:47:45.079 --> 01:47:47.319
The first stroke was bad to take eighteen months of

1774
01:47:47.439 --> 01:47:50.600
rehab to get through that, and then I had the

1775
01:47:50.720 --> 01:47:54.640
second soak. And I keep talking here that I had

1776
01:47:54.680 --> 01:47:57.079
to deal with a lot of anger, and I did

1777
01:47:57.239 --> 01:48:00.720
have to deal with anger. But Ethan, I was so

1778
01:48:00.920 --> 01:48:04.239
angry about the second stroke was A I had been

1779
01:48:04.359 --> 01:48:11.079
through the rehab before, but B I had to start

1780
01:48:11.239 --> 01:48:14.680
all over again. And I had lost all of my

1781
01:48:14.840 --> 01:48:18.880
ability to read in the second stroke. It hit the

1782
01:48:19.760 --> 01:48:25.720
cognitive part of my brain, and so I lost all

1783
01:48:25.760 --> 01:48:30.800
the ability to read and communication skills. And I'm an

1784
01:48:30.880 --> 01:48:36.279
author and I'm a speaker, and all my communication skills

1785
01:48:36.359 --> 01:48:41.840
were gone. So we had to start over with that

1786
01:48:42.199 --> 01:48:43.720
and I had to learn to read again.

1787
01:48:44.640 --> 01:48:46.520
Did you ask God? You go, God, what are you

1788
01:48:46.560 --> 01:48:48.720
doing to me here? I mean here, You've gifted me

1789
01:48:49.039 --> 01:48:52.520
with speaking and the ability to write, and now you've

1790
01:48:52.680 --> 01:48:56.600
taken that away. What do I need to get from this? Right?

1791
01:48:57.359 --> 01:49:00.279
Yeah? When in the second book, I deal with a

1792
01:49:00.359 --> 01:49:04.159
lot of those issues of First of all, I don't

1793
01:49:04.640 --> 01:49:08.359
you know, stroke is one of the number one reasons

1794
01:49:08.479 --> 01:49:13.640
for death and people are not prepared for it. And

1795
01:49:13.880 --> 01:49:17.920
so this second book is how is what happens in

1796
01:49:18.000 --> 01:49:21.199
the event of these kinds of traumas in your life?

1797
01:49:22.319 --> 01:49:36.720
And so I was just going through that with my heart,

1798
01:49:37.199 --> 01:49:41.079
you know, and I had I didn't. I don't feel

1799
01:49:41.159 --> 01:49:45.880
like anybody has to forget God. I mean, he's God,

1800
01:49:46.399 --> 01:49:52.000
you know, he's almighty, He's everything. What I learned and

1801
01:49:52.159 --> 01:49:55.119
what I talk about in this second book is I

1802
01:49:55.319 --> 01:49:59.279
learned what surrender really means. You know, we all talk

1803
01:49:59.359 --> 01:50:03.079
about while I surrender it, I just you know, no,

1804
01:50:03.720 --> 01:50:11.720
surrender means that you give even your life, whether you

1805
01:50:11.920 --> 01:50:15.119
live or die. And I wanted to die in this

1806
01:50:15.279 --> 01:50:18.159
second so I wanted to my I had it in

1807
01:50:18.279 --> 01:50:21.840
Mexico at the second stroke in Mexico, and my daughter

1808
01:50:22.039 --> 01:50:25.880
had flew down because she heard me that I was

1809
01:50:26.039 --> 01:50:32.239
in Uh she could tell by dad, by her dad's

1810
01:50:32.359 --> 01:50:39.760
reactions and mine that I was in really bad shape.

1811
01:50:39.800 --> 01:50:45.600
I was incoherent. And I also, you know, Paul says,

1812
01:50:45.640 --> 01:50:47.279
whether in the body or out of the body, I

1813
01:50:47.399 --> 01:50:47.800
do not know.

1814
01:50:48.600 --> 01:50:48.720
Right.

1815
01:50:49.319 --> 01:50:51.760
I had that kind of inexperience with the Lord, and

1816
01:50:51.840 --> 01:50:54.439
I did not want to come back. I was no

1817
01:50:55.119 --> 01:50:57.640
But I heard my daughter crying at the foot of

1818
01:50:57.680 --> 01:51:01.960
about Mom, I'm not ready to let you go. And

1819
01:51:02.239 --> 01:51:05.960
just that little bit that I heard brought you back.

1820
01:51:07.199 --> 01:51:10.600
I knew the desperation what they would feel if I

1821
01:51:10.720 --> 01:51:16.520
were to go. So I made the decision, and it

1822
01:51:16.800 --> 01:51:22.239
is a decision. It was a decision to surrender to surrender.

1823
01:51:23.840 --> 01:51:30.720
It was really saying, okay, Lord, my times are in

1824
01:51:30.880 --> 01:51:31.439
your hands.

1825
01:51:31.920 --> 01:51:35.479
Yeah, exactly, Well, Ramona, we got to leave it there.

1826
01:51:36.159 --> 01:51:39.319
I could spend a day with you just hearing all

1827
01:51:39.359 --> 01:51:43.800
this because the experience, because when you experience God at

1828
01:51:43.840 --> 01:51:50.960
this level, I mean it's in some regards people aren't

1829
01:51:50.960 --> 01:51:54.520
willing to pay that price. And and I'm sure that

1830
01:51:54.640 --> 01:51:57.039
if you were told up front what was going to happen,

1831
01:51:57.159 --> 01:51:59.000
the price you had to pay, it would have been

1832
01:51:59.119 --> 01:52:03.039
hard to render. As you say, I think our human

1833
01:52:03.119 --> 01:52:05.800
instinct is to avoid pain, right, we don't. We don't

1834
01:52:05.840 --> 01:52:11.000
want pain. But when you surrender to God in the

1835
01:52:11.119 --> 01:52:13.359
total way in which you had to to get on

1836
01:52:13.479 --> 01:52:17.359
the other side of this, it's so profound. So how

1837
01:52:17.439 --> 01:52:20.600
do you how do you write about that? How do

1838
01:52:20.680 --> 01:52:22.800
you get people to understand? Because I just think that

1839
01:52:22.920 --> 01:52:24.640
this is something so personal and deep.

1840
01:52:25.960 --> 01:52:29.439
Well, I felt like I stayed a life for that reason.

1841
01:52:30.319 --> 01:52:33.640
My speech therapist to tell me how to read again.

1842
01:52:35.279 --> 01:52:39.399
She said, Bona, She said, you need to sing all

1843
01:52:39.479 --> 01:52:43.800
of your assignments. I said, sing all my assignments, he says.

1844
01:52:43.880 --> 01:52:47.640
She said, yes, loud and clear, And she said, because

1845
01:52:47.720 --> 01:52:51.600
that activates another part of the brain and what we

1846
01:52:51.760 --> 01:52:54.880
have to do is retrain that part of your brain

1847
01:52:55.760 --> 01:53:00.800
that needs to be activated so that you can read again.

1848
01:53:01.720 --> 01:53:04.600
And so I have a book book that I have

1849
01:53:04.920 --> 01:53:07.560
and I have a picture of that page of that

1850
01:53:07.680 --> 01:53:10.159
book in my new book of what I had to

1851
01:53:10.239 --> 01:53:15.880
do to relearn it. And the only thing I could

1852
01:53:15.960 --> 01:53:19.680
remember was tongs like Jesus loves me and what a

1853
01:53:19.800 --> 01:53:23.079
friend we have in Jesus, And those are the only

1854
01:53:23.199 --> 01:53:26.960
things I could remember. I lost all memories, so much

1855
01:53:27.000 --> 01:53:30.920
of the memory was gone. My daughter would ask me

1856
01:53:31.039 --> 01:53:32.840
what year it was, and I told her in nineteen

1857
01:53:32.880 --> 01:53:36.600
ninety eight, And it wasn't nineteen ninety eight, it was

1858
01:53:36.720 --> 01:53:40.399
two years ago. And somebody asked me, why do you

1859
01:53:40.439 --> 01:53:42.800
think it was nineteen ninety eight morning that you were

1860
01:53:42.880 --> 01:53:46.199
stuck in, And I said, I'd be believe it's because

1861
01:53:47.479 --> 01:53:51.680
that was the most traumatic time of my life, with

1862
01:53:52.279 --> 01:53:55.600
the first round of cancer, where we it was six

1863
01:53:55.720 --> 01:54:05.479
years long. Wow, I was. It was the longevity of

1864
01:54:05.600 --> 01:54:09.720
the tests that thought me, Yeah, you know, it's one

1865
01:54:09.760 --> 01:54:13.000
thing to just oh, do have tests and so we're

1866
01:54:13.039 --> 01:54:16.239
going to get up and go. Know that my tests

1867
01:54:16.640 --> 01:54:18.279
often lasted for years.

1868
01:54:18.880 --> 01:54:23.840
Oh what an incredible story. And she captures this, which

1869
01:54:23.920 --> 01:54:26.720
is really a gift, you know, for the reader to

1870
01:54:26.880 --> 01:54:29.399
read this story, because uh, I don't know how you

1871
01:54:29.520 --> 01:54:31.880
come away from reading her story and not be inspired

1872
01:54:32.239 --> 01:54:37.159
and not even really you know again hunger for a

1873
01:54:37.319 --> 01:54:40.880
deeper relationship with our father in heaven who loves us

1874
01:54:40.880 --> 01:54:43.000
so much, Right, Ramona, Yes.

1875
01:54:42.880 --> 01:54:52.960
He does, he does. And I guess worst tests brings

1876
01:54:53.279 --> 01:55:00.279
greater gifts, you know, yes, yes, And I this year

1877
01:55:00.319 --> 01:55:04.880
for the Lord is very strong because I know him.

1878
01:55:05.720 --> 01:55:08.760
In this second book that I've read, I do a

1879
01:55:08.920 --> 01:55:11.720
whole section on how do I get how did I

1880
01:55:11.840 --> 01:55:12.319
get through this?

1881
01:55:12.720 --> 01:55:14.720
How do I know that I know?

1882
01:55:15.000 --> 01:55:17.720
How do I get through this? And I in the

1883
01:55:17.880 --> 01:55:20.800
nineteen nineties I wrote a book called Facts about God

1884
01:55:21.680 --> 01:55:23.840
and it was a Bible study that I wrote, and

1885
01:55:23.960 --> 01:55:26.760
I printed this in this book, this second book that

1886
01:55:26.840 --> 01:55:32.720
I've thought, and it's how I knew how I know

1887
01:55:33.159 --> 01:55:37.000
who God is? What's my bedrock?

1888
01:55:37.680 --> 01:55:37.920
Yeah?

1889
01:55:38.399 --> 01:55:40.680
And my bedrock is I really know God?

1890
01:55:41.479 --> 01:55:41.720
Yeah?

1891
01:55:42.640 --> 01:55:45.119
Well, like we said earlier, and the word says clearly,

1892
01:55:45.399 --> 01:55:48.039
he who knows there God will be, will do mighty exploits.

1893
01:55:48.359 --> 01:55:50.600
But when you go through this and you know God,

1894
01:55:51.560 --> 01:55:55.880
you know that's man's you know assessment mighty exploits. It's

1895
01:55:55.920 --> 01:56:00.399
not about the exploits, It's about knowing God, right, what's

1896
01:56:00.479 --> 01:56:04.359
so significant? Ramona, thank you so much for being with us.

1897
01:56:04.399 --> 01:56:08.279
She's the author of Ramona Tuma, Prisoner of Hope, Captured

1898
01:56:08.319 --> 01:56:13.000
by Grace. You will be blessed by her story. It's incredible.

1899
01:56:13.039 --> 01:56:14.800
I mean, you read this and you say this is

1900
01:56:14.840 --> 01:56:16.640
going to be a movie. This has to be a movie.

1901
01:56:17.159 --> 01:56:20.119
I mean, I've been told that, right, and.

1902
01:56:20.159 --> 01:56:22.479
I can understand why. Mona. Thank you so much for

1903
01:56:22.600 --> 01:56:24.760
being with us. Take care, God bless you too.

1904
01:56:25.359 --> 01:56:26.399
Merry Christmas to you.

1905
01:56:26.880 --> 01:56:27.920
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1906
01:56:29.000 --> 01:56:31.720
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