Dec. 9, 2025

The Bill Martinez Show 12 09 25

The Bill Martinez Show 12 09 25
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The Bill Martinez Show 12 09 25
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Are you ready?

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Yeah, Okay, let's do it.

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Ill Martinas Live a program about current events, our culture,

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our values, our politics, and our future.

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And now, Bill Martinez.

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Hey, good morning America. Six minutes after you taught the R.

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Right now, doctor Michael Butler is with us. Hey Michael,

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Merry Christmas, Happy New Year to you.

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And the same to you.

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Bill.

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Thanks for having me.

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Hey, lots to catch up on. Donald Trump is doing

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something that I gotta tell you. For many years when

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I was a consultant, I had worked with almost exclusively

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CEOs of companies, and one of the things that I

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reminded them of is that they always have to consistently

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pound the drum of the mission of the organization. And

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you know, and someone would say, why do I have

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to do that? Because I get kind of bored. I go,

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you may get bored, but your employees don't. And in

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Donald Trump's case, you're talking three hundred and thirty million,

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three hundred and forty million people. They need to constantly

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hear the refrain of his agenda, what he has accomplished,

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what is yet to be accomplished. So he's got to

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constantly be casting that vision. Not only because people have

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a tendency to forget number one. But on the other hand,

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you've got the mainstream media that still has control of

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about forty percent of the ears and eyes of America,

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you know, with their bias perspective, really deceiving and misleading

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the American people on the economy. Is that fair to assess?

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Yes, it is, And it's especially difficult now because the

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government was shut down for those six weeks and there

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was no data that came out about economic growth and

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what's happening to inflation and even the jobs market. See

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economic growth numbers are the ones that are most interesting.

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In the third quarter, we should have had that number

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out finished in September. We should have had the number

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out locked over, but the government was shut down. We

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still don't have the number yet, but it looks like

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the third quarter had about three and a half percent

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annual growth rate, up from the three percent in the

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first quarter, which is good in the second quarter, rather

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which is good the fourth quarter. We won't get that

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data at the earliest till the end of January, but

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the fourth quarter would have shown about a four percent

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annual growth rate. Now the government's shut down, I'm not

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sure what the impact that that's going to be. It

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will be negative on the growth rate, but the economy

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is growing. Although the inflation rate we don't have all

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the numbers for the consumer price index. Some of the

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numbers that we do have show that inflation stays under

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three percent, may have benged up slightly in the last

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couple of months. So wage increases are greater than the

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rate of inflation, which means really people are earning more

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money and more money to spend, and that will improve

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the stand of living. So Trump's right. I think he's

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gone around the country this week to kind of tut

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how his economic programs have worked so far, and to

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remind people that the builder was passed in July. The

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tax cuts on hips, working overtime, solid security, et cetera.

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They don't go into effect till January first. They were

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exactly twenty twenty six, so we'll see a benefit there.

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And then from all of this money, Trump has been

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able to get foreign companies to invest in the US,

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and it's some number well into the trillions.

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Well, it's like, what's seventeen nineteen trillion. I've heard as much.

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As that's it.

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Some of the numbers I've heard once that happened.

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I mean that that's unprecedented. Michael, right.

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Yeah, that's a huge amount of money. And once it happens, now,

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it's going to take a year or so for all

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of that to be fully invested. But that'll create more jobs,

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It will create more growth for the economy, and again

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should help to improve the standard of living. I also

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believe that the inflation rate will be down to the

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two percent range by the end of next year. Now,

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most people don't agree with me, understand that the reason

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I'm saying it is energy prices have fallen. Oil is

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under sixty dollars a barrel fuction.

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I paid two fifty nine in Florida two days ago. Michael, Yeah, I.

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Paid two eighty six the other day, and I was

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I was very happy. The national average is now under

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three dollars. Once energy prices come down, that has a

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large impact on the consumer price index. Energy prices directly

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effect about seven percent of the consumer price index, but

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indirectly it affects over another twenty percent because it affects

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the cost of energy to produce goods and services. So

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Trump is correct when he says, if you can get

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energy prices down, inflation will come down, and that's true,

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and I believe that will happen next year. I think

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oil will be down under fifty five dollars of barrow,

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perhaps as low as fifty dollars. That'll take the national

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average for gasoline down under two dollars and fifty cents

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a gallon. And once that starts to happen and people

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say that they're not spending so much on a lot

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of products, energy included, they're going to start to feel

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better about the coon exactly. The problem now is people

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just don't feel good about it because.

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We had to get through this stuff. You and I

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talked about it before, Michael, the last time we were on,

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and that is that the economy has been stifled because

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we're trying to get all this sludge and drudge out

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of the pipeline that was all put there with Democratic

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policies and Joe Biden. The thing is, I think it's

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interesting to hear you lay this out. What is somebody

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like Gavin Newsom going to do when everybody else is

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you know, they hear figures of under three dollars and

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in California they're paying five dollars for a gallon of gas.

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I mean, you got to think California is going to

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start revolting there, You.

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Would certainly think so. Remember when Newsom entered office, there

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was a large surplus and the government budget and a

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surplus fund. It's now a deficit in the budget and

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they've spent all of that surplus. So the policies that

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he puts into effect didn't work in California. And I

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hope he doesn't get a life in the US because

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the policy certainly won't work well in.

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The How could he really seriously be considered. I mean,

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like you said, I think he's over sixty billion upside

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down right now in the state. You got the LA fire.

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Still that's still a mess. I mean, even when Donald

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Trump went down there Karen Bass, everybody's, oh, yeah, we're gonna,

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you know, get the regulation out of the way, We're

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going to allow people to build their homes. It is

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a hot mess. I mean, it's so unfortunate that that state,

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and then that's not even talking about the homelessness issue,

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the drug addiction issue, all these things, immigration that the

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state really is a failed state.

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Michael, Yeah, it certainly is. You know, when Trump went

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down and talked to Mayor Bass, he said, I want

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these permits issued as soon as possible, and she made

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a comment, well, we should be able to get them

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within a year, and Trump said, no, I want them

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issued as soon as possible, like next week.

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Yeah.

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So here it is nearly a year later after the fire.

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There's a total of one house that has been built

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so far. It's actually a sample for a developer wanting

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to build more houses. But that's the only house that's

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been built. And it's almost a year now, and these

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people can't get their homes. We built. The permitting process

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anywhere is difficult. In California, it's next to impossible. They

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have all these environmental regulation certain materials you can and

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can't use. You have to have solar panels, even if

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you don't want them. So all of these regulations slow

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down the building of these new homes and significantly adds

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to the cost. And we have not just in California,

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all over the country. We have an affordability crisis with housing.

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Young people can't afford their first house and that's not

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a good thing.

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Well, look at all the tax base that is eroded

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as a result because they don't have homes on that property,

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right exactly. I mean, you got that the impact that

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has all the way down the supply chain, you know,

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retail operations, everything in that area economically. I mean, Michael,

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they're not even embarrassed by this. This is what blows

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me away.

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Now, this whole thing could have been avoided. You know,

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some of the water was diverted when for environmental reasons

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it shouldn't have been diverted. To have fire hydrants not

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half water is inexcusable.

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Well, that's that's like Hawaii all over again. Anyway, we

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got to go to quick Break. We've got more from

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doctor Michael Butler after this. Stay with us.

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Welcome back Bill Martinez here with the doctor Michael Butler,

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the economists and policy analyst. Michael. Just to kind of

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wrap things up from this first segment here you trs

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Trump goes across the country and and really is going

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to cast again the vision that he casts to get reelected,

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and that is that hey things are the thing is

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that so I think so encouraging. It should be for

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people if they have ears to hear, and if they

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haven't been so dumbfounded by the negative reporting from the

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mainstream media. Excuse me Trump, you know, he talks about affordability,

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but he can back it up as opposed to Mom,

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Donnie and these other Democrats. To them, affordability is just

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a word, there's no substance. But with Trump, as you mentioned, man,

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the big beautiful bills just around the corner. You can

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still see things lining up. The revenue from tariffs. He wants,

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you know, he wants to send a two million dollar

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check to stemy check to everybody because of all the

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money that we raised from tariffs. H So there's a

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lot of you know, gold in them nar hills that

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are not just necessarily buried. I think they're just around

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the corner for us.

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And you know, one thing, when the government shutdown was ended,

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they always signed roughly a seventy five day bill to

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get us to the end of January. And at that

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time they said, we'll be able to negotiate something because

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of the rising healthcare cost. Now, what happened with the

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healthcare This Affordable Care Act passed and twenty ten was

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supposed to bring premiums down, improve the quality of healthcare,

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and increase the number of people being covered. It hasn't

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done anything. Premiums.

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It's functionally a myth exactly. You know, it was never

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designed to do what they said that was going to do.

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And here all these years later, what fifteen years later,

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there's clear proof that it is a big was a

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big lie. It was a shell game, and we've got

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you know, Congress has got to move quick because unfortunately,

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thank you very much, and this was the Democrats. No

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Republican voted for this, remember, okay, but the fact of

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the matter is this is a bipartisan problem right now,

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and people need to be serious about resolving this stuff

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because of what they did to the people. Just like

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in the same way when you know, the Democrats said, hey,

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we're there, we're watching your back, and they shut down

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the government for forty three days. And what did they do.

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It wasn't like they were writing checks are going down,

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chasing money to help pay people for snap money or

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any other deficiency was going on. The only person was

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doing that was Donald Trump exactly.

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we have to pass legislation that will fund the increased

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cost of Obamacare to the people that are signed up

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on the exchanges. Now that's going to cost about one

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hundred and fifty billion a year. We measured these things

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over ten year period. That's a billion and a half dollars.

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And whenever they spend money like this, although Trump is

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changing this somewhat, whenever they spend money, there's no mention

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of where the money is coming from, right, they don't say,

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so we end up having to borrow it, and that's

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why we have a thirty eight trillion dollar debt. Now

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Trump is trying to change some of that. So he

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wants to give people a two thousand dollars rebate because

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tariffs may have helped with the place, et cetera, but

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he's getting it from the tariff revenue, so that's where

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the money is coming from. Then he said, I want

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to start these accounts where you give a thousand dollars

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to every child born that they keep until they're eighteen

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you can add to which I think is a great idea.

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But how are you going to fund it? Michael Dell

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just kicked in six point three billion dollars.

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To pay for this.

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So when Trump says I'm going to increase spending, he

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finds ways to show how the spending will be financed,

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where the money will come from. We have to start

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really doing that with everything. Every time we decide we're

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going to spend money. You have a good cause and

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people want to I understand all that, but then you

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just have to say, where's the money coming from? Right

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If you don't have an answer, it means we're borrowing it,

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and we can't do that anymore.

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Exactly.

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Talked on this show numerous times about the thirty eight

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trillion dollar debt, the nearly two trillion dollar annual deficit.

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Although the President is bringing that down, drop down the

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one point eight billion in twenty five. Roughly, it looks

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like it will come down to maybe one point four

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trillion in this year. So he's trying to bring the

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deficit down, or we need to do that as soon

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as possible. This public debt is too heavy a burden

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for this generation. More importantly, it's way too heavy a

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burden for our children and our grandchildren. We need to

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address it really immediately.

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Michael, you touched on something earlier and I wanted to

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address because I thought you hit on something then we

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need consider and that is that, no doubt, the job's

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landscape is changing all right now. When this came up

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under Joe Biden, he came up with some kind of

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goofy story about oh, you just go out there and

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go find a job, you know kind I mean, it

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was like, you know, good luck, you're on your own,

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so to speak. In anticipation, in understanding that the market

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is going to change and there's going to be new demand,

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that we ought to take some of that tariff money

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and invest it in re educating the labor force so

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that we get in front of all this AI industrial

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this new industrialized revolution that's going to take place, So

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that way we can hit the ground running.

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What do you think, Bill, that's exactly right? All this

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manufacturing that's coming back from foreign investments, at what American

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companies are bringing back. In order for us to compete

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on a worldwide basis, we have to keep the cost down. Now,

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we can't compete with some of the countries in Asia

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where they pay their people a dollar an hour, because

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I make thirty forty dollars an hour. So the only

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way to compete is to have our production capital intensive

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rather than labor intensive. Capital intensive means we have robots

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on the assembly line, we use artificial intelligence, we automate

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wherever we can, and that will enable us to produce

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at roughly the same cost, we hope as the foreign

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competition that has a real labor rate. However, for people

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to be able to take these new jobs, you're absolutely right,

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they need to be retrained. Education is really the key

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to really bring people out of poverty and any of

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the disruptions in the labor market due to artificial intelligence.

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And there will be many artificial intelligence will take the

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jobs that are more routine to do. And we've lived

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through things like this before. You know, in the earlies

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and the eighties and nineties, we said, well, the personal

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computers coming out, what's going to do? What about all

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these secretary pools that having corporations. When I worked in

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corporations now, back in the seventies and eighties, if I

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had to write something, I wrote it out, took it

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to the secretary pool, they typed it up for me

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and brought it back. People don't do that anymore. Everybody

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writes their own memos and their own emails right on

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their own computer. There are no secretary pools any anymore.

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So things have changed. Re educate the people that were

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working there. They now become administrative assistance, so rather than

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just typing, they help all the business people or all

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the people they work or become more productive.

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But that takes in their hour and their hourly wage increased.

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MIC.

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That's the other thing people need to understand that is

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it's not going to be stagnant. I mean, the kind

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of jobs that are around the corner are six figure jobs,

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and so you have to think in terms of that.

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So your technical skill level has to be increased so

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that you can you know, you can earn six figures

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because those jobs are going to be available. But if

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you're but if you know you're going to be a

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knucklehead and not get educated and not get trained, then

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you're gonna sit there and you're going to be you know,

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you're gonna be stuck in a minimum you know, minimum

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job type of environment.

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That's right.

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You know, people have to take personal responsibility. Amen, So

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you say that, look, I can see that my job

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is going to be faded out. I'm not going to

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say to the government all the job, you know, give

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me welfare, give me food, said. What they should say

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is I need to learn how to do something else

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so I can take advantage of this new economy and

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the way things are are being done. Personal responsibility, Individual

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responsibility is very important. The prior administration tried to shift

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away from individual responsibility and towards social responsibility. Don't worry,

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the government will take care of you. The government will

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provide the health care of the government take care of that.

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That's a disastrous way to go, and it's contrary to

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where our system works.

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It's anti American, Michael. It turns you into socialist and

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you're beholding to the government. And so as we know

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what the government giveth it can take it away. Right.

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Yeah, absolutely, so people have to learn. Look, our system

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encourages individual freedom, so you're free to do pretty much

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what you want. As long as you don't have friendship

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any anybody else's rights, you can pretty much do what

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you want. Well, with that individual freedom comes individual responsibility,

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So you have to take responsibility for yourself. As long

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as you're mentally and physically able to do that, you

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should take responsibility for yourself. See where it is, the

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where the opportunities lie. Prepare yourself to take advantage of

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those opportunities, and you'll do well in the economy, and

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the economy will fare better because there's less people we

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have to we have to support it.

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You'll be happier and more fulfilled, and that's what we

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want for you. Doctor Michael but public policy analyst, economics expert,

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and a professor of finance at Stockton University in New Jersey,

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Michael is always great to have you with us. Have

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a great holiday. Thank you, all right, take care You

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Nutrition for Patriots, Hey, good morning, welcome back Bill Martinez.

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Here.

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Great to have you with us sharing a part of

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your day. For more information on the show, Bill Martinez

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Live dot com. Well. His Uly released book, Jewish Roots

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of American Liberty, by the Bradley Prize winning Hillsdale College

513
00:28:28.920 --> 00:28:33.599
historian Wilfred McLay and Yeshiva University's Rabbi doctor Stuart Halpern,

514
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is illustrating how the free institutions that we value so

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much in today's America, including Christianity itself, are securely grounded

516
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in Jewish ideas, images, and ethics. The timing of this

517
00:28:47.400 --> 00:28:51.480
release of this book, you know, couldn't be more consequential

518
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in light that our culture and our society has been

519
00:28:54.240 --> 00:28:56.359
dealing with and with us. Right now to talk more

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00:28:56.359 --> 00:28:58.799
about it is Bill McLay. Bill, welcome, Michelle. Good to

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have you with us.

522
00:29:00.279 --> 00:29:04.480
Thank you, Bill, and fellow Bill. I'm glad to be there.

523
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By the way, people should know that the book I

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wrote it publish it under the name Wilfrid maclay, which

525
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is my given name, which.

526
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I rarely use.

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So when they're looking for it, which I hope they

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will do, they'll look for Wilfrid Maclay.

529
00:29:21.839 --> 00:29:25.000
Right exactly, And so don't get confused. But you know

530
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the title of the book, Jewish Roots of American Liberty.

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So that should confirm your search there as well. And

532
00:29:30.680 --> 00:29:34.079
it's not that Wilfrid's on witness protection or anything like that.

533
00:29:34.519 --> 00:29:38.400
He's just in formal because as an author, sometimes we're

534
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called to be formal, right, right, right, and sometimes not. Yeah,

535
00:29:43.640 --> 00:29:45.960
I get that, yes, if you have something to hide,

536
00:29:46.079 --> 00:29:48.400
but in this particular case, we have lots to reveal,

537
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not to hide, right.

538
00:29:50.400 --> 00:29:57.559
Yeah, absolutely absolutely. And the God of the Bible is

539
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the god of revelation. So there we go.

540
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And he's and he's the God of America.

541
00:30:04.359 --> 00:30:08.160
Well indeed, indeed America doesn't always seem to want to

542
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recognize that fact, but we do have we have our moments.

543
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We definitely have our moment.

544
00:30:14.839 --> 00:30:17.960
Well, there's no question there's been a lot of pushback

545
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on this, but this has been going on, you know,

546
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for over one hundred years. You know, some people want

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to look at you know, mid sixties when prayer was

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taken out of school. I say, go back to when

549
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when Darwinism came into play. That seemed to be a key,

550
00:30:32.400 --> 00:30:36.359
a door opener for people to really separate themselves and

551
00:30:36.720 --> 00:30:40.720
look at things more secularized. And and there's just been

552
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a consistent march through the institutions and through this great

553
00:30:45.640 --> 00:30:48.400
American idea that God blessed us with.

554
00:30:49.839 --> 00:30:53.519
Yeah, I think you're right about connecting and to Darwinism

555
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to the sort of anthropology of modern man. You know,

556
00:30:59.839 --> 00:31:03.200
one of the things that Jews and Christians share, at

557
00:31:03.279 --> 00:31:07.079
least in their foundational beliefs, is that the belief in

558
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the creator God, that God created the world, that God

559
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has he spoke the world into being, and he's a

560
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separate from nature, He's not part of nature.

561
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He's a separate from nature.

562
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But above all else, that we are created in His image.

563
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That that is a central Jewish idea, taken over, taken

564
00:31:33.000 --> 00:31:38.160
aboard by Christianity, formed around that Jewish belief. And of

565
00:31:38.200 --> 00:31:41.359
course Thomas Jefferson when he wrote the Declaration of Independence

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that all men are created equal, right, where.

567
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Does that come from?

568
00:31:45.880 --> 00:31:49.200
It's it comes from the notion that we're made in

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God's image, and we're all stamped with that divine image,

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and that's the source of our dignity of our rights.

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You know, the Declaration that says we're endowed by our

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creator with certain inalienable rights, unaliegal rights, actually live liberty,

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00:32:06.799 --> 00:32:10.960
pursuit for happiness. So these rights come from the endowment

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that comes from God. That comes from God's creating us

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in his image. And so so there's you go to

576
00:32:20.000 --> 00:32:23.079
the very foundation. So what's to think of about America?

577
00:32:23.240 --> 00:32:27.279
It is this ocean that we're all created equal, right,

578
00:32:27.359 --> 00:32:29.599
which doesn't mean we're all equal. It doesn't mean we're

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all equal in every respect. You know, I can't play

580
00:32:34.759 --> 00:32:40.319
basketball like Lebron James. I can barely see his belt

581
00:32:40.359 --> 00:32:45.599
buckle by look. But but that doesn't mean we are

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00:32:46.000 --> 00:32:50.240
unequal euyse of God. So there has to be some

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00:32:50.359 --> 00:32:54.880
standard that's not just a standard of measurements or achievements

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of any particular characteristics, but that we are endowed in

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00:33:01.279 --> 00:33:02.160
our soul.

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With a stamp, the mark the image.

587
00:33:07.400 --> 00:33:12.240
We are image bearer exactly, and that's why every human

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00:33:12.279 --> 00:33:13.720
life is valuable.

589
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It really is.

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Uh.

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You know, it was said that, and I think I

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want to say at C. S. Lewis who said and

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understanding the concept that we were made in the image

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of God, it caused him to respond that I've never

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met a mere.

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Mortal yes, never been an ordinary person. Yeah right, yeah, I.

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Mean you think you think about that. I mean to

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realize the person that you are in contact with that's

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sitting across the table perhaps, or maybe you're standing up

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having a conversation. Uh, we should be in awe that

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here is this wonderful expression manifestation of Creator God right

602
00:33:56.119 --> 00:34:00.039
before us, you know, and I think that unfortunately, the

603
00:34:00.079 --> 00:34:03.079
human consciousness as such is that, as you said earlier,

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you know, we think, or you kind of inferred, is

605
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that we think competitively and we want to think of

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00:34:09.039 --> 00:34:11.719
the other person as being less than instead of more than.

607
00:34:12.199 --> 00:34:14.760
And God says you're neither. You're neither less than, you're

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neither more than.

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Yes, And you know this looks forward to it's a

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way of thinking about when Jesus says, what you do

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00:34:22.079 --> 00:34:24.920
to the least of us, you do to me, right,

612
00:34:25.039 --> 00:34:27.800
it's his way of saying that at least of us,

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that individual has bears the image just the same as

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you do. And there's my image as the co equal

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person of the trinity.

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So you treat everybody with the same awed.

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Respect that you're talking about to me.

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It's a perspective of holiness because God intended us to be,

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you know, self contained, to be holy as He is holy,

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and that's what we strive to do in this fallen world.

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And He understands that we're living in this fallen world

622
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and we're going to have those unholy moments because as

623
00:35:10.440 --> 00:35:12.360
soon as you say and want to be holy? Right,

624
00:35:12.639 --> 00:35:14.280
we does say I want to be holy, then all

625
00:35:14.320 --> 00:35:17.440
the pressures are against you to be you know, as

626
00:35:17.519 --> 00:35:19.079
unholy as you possibly can be.

627
00:35:19.679 --> 00:35:22.800
Yeah, well, you know, I'd like to talk also about

628
00:35:22.880 --> 00:35:28.039
another way that the Jewish tradition connects with America, and

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that is the Exodus. Yes, the story of the Exodus,

630
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which is and I don't know whether you have a

631
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copy of the book handy, but if you look at

632
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the cover of the book, yes, I do.

633
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We have a depiction of Yeah, you can show it

634
00:35:42.599 --> 00:35:44.519
to the audience that you may not be able to

635
00:35:44.519 --> 00:35:48.519
see it very well, but it's a depiction of Moses

636
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holding his arms up and.

637
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Surrounded by the Israelites.

638
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And then on the other shure is Pharaoh is wearing

639
00:35:57.760 --> 00:36:03.679
a crown that looks very eighteenth century, and he is

640
00:36:04.280 --> 00:36:09.400
being swamped by along with his fellow Egyptian soldiers, by

641
00:36:09.639 --> 00:36:14.719
the waters that are returning after having been parted by

642
00:36:15.039 --> 00:36:21.559
to enable the Israelites to go from slavery into the freedom. Well,

643
00:36:21.719 --> 00:36:24.639
here's the interesting thing, and everybody knows that story in

644
00:36:24.679 --> 00:36:25.719
some version or others.

645
00:36:27.519 --> 00:36:29.159
Thomas Jefferson, who.

646
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Was not a particularly religious man, and Benjamin Franklin, who

647
00:36:33.719 --> 00:36:38.480
similarly it was a little more favorably inclined, But they

648
00:36:38.559 --> 00:36:41.239
were the ones that wanted to make the Seal of

649
00:36:41.280 --> 00:36:43.760
the United States the Great Seal of the United States.

650
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Have that image, that image, that's that's a version of

651
00:36:47.960 --> 00:36:50.159
that image that's on the cover of.

652
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The book book, my book.

653
00:36:53.239 --> 00:36:55.559
And why would they do that? Why would they? Well,

654
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because Jefferson did write about this a little bit. He

655
00:36:59.480 --> 00:37:08.119
saw because he adopted Batto that he and Franklin proposed

656
00:37:08.159 --> 00:37:12.719
for the seal, which was rebellion to tyrants is obedience

657
00:37:12.800 --> 00:37:16.760
to God. And Jefferson liked that so much he made

658
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it his own personal one, on his own personal seal.

659
00:37:20.480 --> 00:37:21.719
So what's going on.

660
00:37:21.719 --> 00:37:26.400
Here is that he saw this movement out of slavery

661
00:37:26.400 --> 00:37:28.280
in Egypt under.

662
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The aegis of God.

663
00:37:29.920 --> 00:37:34.840
Two of the Promised Land was a figure, a metaphor

664
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and allegory for the whole movement of the human race.

665
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But he saw the American Revolution as marking a decisive

666
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moment in proclaiming the equality of all men. And that

667
00:37:49.760 --> 00:37:52.360
they said in one of his letters that there aren't

668
00:37:52.400 --> 00:37:56.239
some people who with saddles on their backs and others

669
00:37:56.519 --> 00:38:00.639
worn with booths and spurs to ride them.

670
00:38:00.639 --> 00:38:04.360
Not quoting that exactly, but that's the image. And you know,

671
00:38:04.440 --> 00:38:06.960
the in other words, is on a sort of hire.

672
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And and then what follows from that is that we

673
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should find a way that we can govern as a

674
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as citizen on his subject. So so there is even

675
00:38:22.119 --> 00:38:28.079
though that there's a little bit of a secondary uh,

676
00:38:28.679 --> 00:38:33.440
there is a retension of the heritage, the biblical idea

677
00:38:33.960 --> 00:38:36.360
of moving from darkness to life that they that they

678
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exodus is our story.

679
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There starts.

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Bill.

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Hey, we're back when you're fourteen minutes before the time

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they are. Bill Martinez share with Wilfrid maclay formally Bill

759
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McClay in our casual conversation. Y's right, and we're talking

760
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about his just released book, Jewish Roots of American Liberty.

761
00:43:10.280 --> 00:43:12.679
And as you were saying before the break, Bill, is

762
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that you have this interesting you know, and I think

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it was revelation. I think it was God speaking to,

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you know, to founders of this great American idea that

765
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he was going to use them to, you know, to

766
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really codify this concept of liberty and freedom and things

767
00:43:32.760 --> 00:43:37.119
that really, you know, we could see glimpses of it certainly,

768
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you know, in the Jewish faith and Jewish tradition, but

769
00:43:40.880 --> 00:43:44.079
this was taking it to a whole new level. This

770
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is post Jesus, This is after Jesus coming and really

771
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I think introducing the total concept of freedom and liberty

772
00:43:54.039 --> 00:43:57.320
and what that meant, and even the exodist of being

773
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you know, taken out of slavery and and even going

774
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through the forty years in the desert. It wasn't something

775
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that was going to happen overnight. It was a process

776
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that you had to go through in order to come

777
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to the promised land, right.

778
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Yes, yes, well, I mean I think that the you know,

779
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rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God. You know, you

780
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can affirms rebellion, but it also affirms obedience to God.

781
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And yes, this is one of the things about the

782
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Hebrew Bible, about the Jewish foundation, at the very bottom,

783
00:44:31.199 --> 00:44:35.440
at the very foundational core of our experience, is that

784
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Jewish understanding of God is that we don't go with

785
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the flow of nature. We have certain commandments. Human life

786
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is sacred, the destruction of human life, including child sacrifice,

787
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which was a very strong characteristic of pagan life and Romans,

788
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you know, and fanticide. Father had that kind of authority

789
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in the family, so that we are to be governed

790
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in things like eating and sexuality by uh God's commandments,

791
00:45:13.239 --> 00:45:16.360
not by our wishes, not by our appetizers, which are

792
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a form of slavery. Now there's wonderful psalms and talk

793
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about how the true happiness is in walking with the Lord.

794
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It's an obedience to his precepts.

795
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And this, this is a different orientation to the world,

796
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a different anthropology, if you will, a different understanding of what.

797
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It means to be human.

798
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That we are not to.

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See ourselves strictly as a product of nature, which in

800
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naturalism says kind of calls on us to do that.

801
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And the laws of nature are the ones, are the ones,

802
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the only ones that apply. Understanding is that we uh,

803
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we we are to command nature, we are to superintend nature,

804
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and that the preservation and respect of human life is

805
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a imperative. And because we're made in the image of God,

806
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made in God, the image of the Creator, the natural

807
00:46:22.480 --> 00:46:23.599
world has given.

808
00:46:24.599 --> 00:46:28.000
Well Bill Uh. You know in your book you and

809
00:46:28.079 --> 00:46:30.079
the Rabbi have done the homework for a lot of

810
00:46:30.119 --> 00:46:33.000
people who have been lazy heretofore. And these are the

811
00:46:33.079 --> 00:46:36.119
people who have gotten caught up in this uh. You

812
00:46:36.280 --> 00:46:40.239
know this narrative, uh. And I'd say a false narrative

813
00:46:40.719 --> 00:46:44.239
that America had little to do and there's little connection

814
00:46:44.440 --> 00:46:49.639
between the foundational principles that you know, helped to draft

815
00:46:50.000 --> 00:46:53.880
and and codify the Declaration of Independence and the constitution

816
00:46:53.960 --> 00:46:56.079
of it, you know, of our United States.

817
00:46:56.199 --> 00:46:56.320
Right.

818
00:46:57.360 --> 00:46:57.800
Oh yeah.

819
00:46:57.960 --> 00:47:00.920
One other thing that I think these to be mentioned

820
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is that George Washington, who was the founder of Founders,

821
00:47:05.599 --> 00:47:09.840
right after he became president, he had a correspondence with

822
00:47:10.159 --> 00:47:16.960
new a number of different synagogues Jewish religious establishments up

823
00:47:17.000 --> 00:47:20.800
and down the East Coast, and especially there's one in

824
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particular with the congregation in Newport, Rhode Island, which was

825
00:47:26.320 --> 00:47:29.199
actually a major trading center at that time, and it

826
00:47:29.360 --> 00:47:31.480
didn't didn't quite work out in the long run, but

827
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Newport was very important today. It had a significant Jewish population.

828
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And he wrote to this congregation saying, actually.

829
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Maybe I should.

830
00:47:47.559 --> 00:47:47.679
Uh.

831
00:47:48.960 --> 00:47:49.239
He was.

832
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The message to this is the United States have a

833
00:48:00.159 --> 00:48:02.920
right to have them this policy.

834
00:48:04.159 --> 00:48:10.639
Pretty conscience and immunities.

835
00:48:17.320 --> 00:48:21.360
As now that the exercise inherent.

836
00:48:22.599 --> 00:48:25.679
Bill. I'm gonna have Bill, I'm gonna have you. I'm

837
00:48:25.719 --> 00:48:28.119
going to have you repeat that only because you're you're

838
00:48:28.440 --> 00:48:29.320
it was breaking up.

839
00:48:29.920 --> 00:48:35.079
Oh, I'm sorry, I'm sorry. All right, Uh, all possess alike,

840
00:48:35.280 --> 00:48:40.039
liberty of conscience, and immunities of citizenship. It is now

841
00:48:40.280 --> 00:48:43.920
no more that toleration is spoken as if it was

842
00:48:44.039 --> 00:48:47.000
by the indulgence of one class of people in another

843
00:48:47.679 --> 00:48:52.320
enjoyed the exercise their inherent rights. Now the government of

844
00:48:52.360 --> 00:48:56.400
the United States gives to bigotry, no sanction, to persecution,

845
00:48:56.639 --> 00:49:00.599
no assistance, requires only that those who live in protection

846
00:49:01.239 --> 00:49:04.079
to demean themselves as good citizens. And then he goes

847
00:49:04.159 --> 00:49:07.519
on to say, may the children of the stock of

848
00:49:07.599 --> 00:49:11.800
Abraham a term for Jews right to dwell in this

849
00:49:12.199 --> 00:49:15.320
continued to merit and enjoy the goodwill of the other inhabitants.

850
00:49:16.440 --> 00:49:19.559
And and then he goes on, it's a it's a

851
00:49:19.639 --> 00:49:24.280
fantastic it's a beautiful endorsement of the Jews.

852
00:49:24.800 --> 00:49:27.880
As one percent of Americans exactly.

853
00:49:28.119 --> 00:49:31.519
And he does this with all all the other congregations,

854
00:49:31.559 --> 00:49:35.119
but the one from Newport is especially famous because he says,

855
00:49:35.400 --> 00:49:38.400
is now no more than not going to just tolerate you.

856
00:49:40.559 --> 00:49:45.400
You're you are equal, you are free to worship, and

857
00:49:45.960 --> 00:49:47.079
we have respect for.

858
00:49:47.199 --> 00:49:50.239
The stock of Abraham, the children of the stock of Abraham,

859
00:49:51.440 --> 00:49:55.920
which Christians actually consider themselves to be children of Abraham too,

860
00:49:57.280 --> 00:49:57.920
to faith.

861
00:49:58.159 --> 00:50:02.079
But uh, you know, you won't get into that fine point.

862
00:50:02.199 --> 00:50:04.400
But Bill, why do you why do you think he

863
00:50:04.559 --> 00:50:08.840
was inspired to say that? Because it sounds inspirational. It

864
00:50:09.000 --> 00:50:12.840
was something you know that almost was deposited into his

865
00:50:13.039 --> 00:50:15.960
mind from God himself, to thank well, to thank the

866
00:50:16.079 --> 00:50:17.239
origins of America.

867
00:50:18.840 --> 00:50:23.400
He definitely, you know that it's possible. It's possible. It

868
00:50:24.159 --> 00:50:32.239
definitely reflects an idea of freedom that it involves free

869
00:50:32.440 --> 00:50:36.800
choice of individuals, but choice in the choice of how

870
00:50:36.960 --> 00:50:38.719
they will carry out.

871
00:50:38.960 --> 00:50:43.360
Their duty to God, their duty to worship God, to

872
00:50:43.480 --> 00:50:47.159
their duty to obey God. And that I think is

873
00:50:47.840 --> 00:50:49.360
key for him that that.

874
00:50:51.320 --> 00:50:54.719
As as it was understood in the Founding, freedom as

875
00:50:54.760 --> 00:50:59.320
it was understood by the ancient Hebrews is not do

876
00:50:59.480 --> 00:51:00.280
whatever you want.

877
00:51:01.719 --> 00:51:02.519
Uh, it's not.

878
00:51:02.760 --> 00:51:06.159
Freedom's just another word for nothing left to lose. Freedom

879
00:51:06.360 --> 00:51:13.400
is the freedom to live within God's righteous and good

880
00:51:13.480 --> 00:51:19.920
and holy and fruitful commandments. So that's that's that's part

881
00:51:19.960 --> 00:51:21.679
of our history. If you look at the there's a

882
00:51:21.719 --> 00:51:27.159
great article in our book about how how much the

883
00:51:27.280 --> 00:51:31.480
Framemans reference the Bible in thinking about how they were

884
00:51:31.519 --> 00:51:33.559
going to organize our form of government.

885
00:51:34.920 --> 00:51:36.880
It's just you got you gotta think, you gotta think

886
00:51:36.880 --> 00:51:40.599
about this. They're starting out with a white sheet of paper.

887
00:51:41.079 --> 00:51:44.599
It's blank. It's not like they're borrowing some constitution from

888
00:51:44.679 --> 00:51:48.000
somebody else. They're starting with a clean slate. And what

889
00:51:48.079 --> 00:51:51.960
they're bringing to bear on this is their past experience

890
00:51:52.079 --> 00:51:55.760
with different governments. They're studying other forms of government, and

891
00:51:55.920 --> 00:51:58.519
of all the things, what do they land on. Mostly

892
00:51:58.960 --> 00:52:03.039
they land on and you know, Hebrew tradition and Hebrew law,

893
00:52:03.559 --> 00:52:07.519
which came from scripture. And that seemed to warm, right,

894
00:52:07.639 --> 00:52:10.000
I mean, because when you look at the Constitution, you

895
00:52:10.119 --> 00:52:15.320
see Leviticus, you see Deuteronomy, you see you know, you

896
00:52:15.599 --> 00:52:18.719
see the Old Testament scripture references.

897
00:52:19.039 --> 00:52:19.159
Uh.

898
00:52:19.679 --> 00:52:22.280
Maybe not directly, but certainly connected.

899
00:52:23.599 --> 00:52:26.559
It's it's in the air, it's in the water, it's

900
00:52:26.719 --> 00:52:30.320
in the very substance of their of their minds and

901
00:52:30.440 --> 00:52:31.440
soul's spirits.

902
00:52:32.320 --> 00:52:37.079
Uh. And in some ways it's an inheritance, uh, from many,

903
00:52:37.159 --> 00:52:38.079
many generations.

904
00:52:39.840 --> 00:52:42.760
Well, you know, in today you have this conflict in

905
00:52:42.840 --> 00:52:46.039
this you know, growing anti Semitism and they want to

906
00:52:46.360 --> 00:52:50.360
you know, divide Christians from Jews, and you know, and

907
00:52:50.480 --> 00:52:53.599
that's typical of you know, the human experience. There's nothing

908
00:52:53.639 --> 00:52:56.760
new under the sun. This has been done before. But

909
00:52:56.960 --> 00:52:59.880
like I said earlier, Uh, you and the Rabbi have

910
00:53:00.079 --> 00:53:03.199
done a lot of homework for people who want to know,

911
00:53:03.559 --> 00:53:05.519
because they say, at the end of the day, you

912
00:53:05.679 --> 00:53:09.119
must own your own knowledge. You know, you're responsible for

913
00:53:09.239 --> 00:53:11.440
what you know, right and what you don't.

914
00:53:11.480 --> 00:53:15.559
Absolutely. Yeah, yeah, no, that's right. And I think we

915
00:53:15.719 --> 00:53:17.960
had two goals.

916
00:53:18.119 --> 00:53:24.519
We wanted Jews to feel more comfortable with there being

917
00:53:24.639 --> 00:53:30.000
one American, but we also want Americans to acknowledge the

918
00:53:30.119 --> 00:53:33.719
gift that Americans given a great gift to the Jews.

919
00:53:33.760 --> 00:53:37.920
It's the safest place that they've had before they had

920
00:53:37.960 --> 00:53:41.960
their own nation. And even that is a very you know, perilous,

921
00:53:42.199 --> 00:53:46.840
conflicted thing. It is a place of safety. Many Jews

922
00:53:47.159 --> 00:53:52.519
fertile America as the Promised land, and so America has

923
00:53:52.559 --> 00:53:54.400
done great things for the Jews, but the Jews have

924
00:53:54.480 --> 00:53:59.119
done great things for America. That's the other side. They're

925
00:53:59.159 --> 00:54:00.639
trying to press other things.

926
00:54:02.119 --> 00:54:04.559
Well, we're back to the Abraham blessing. You know, those

927
00:54:04.599 --> 00:54:07.559
who bless is Real will be blessed. Those who curse

928
00:54:07.639 --> 00:54:09.679
curse America has blessed Israel.

929
00:54:13.119 --> 00:54:16.079
Yeah, and you see the results, Yeah, exactly.

930
00:54:16.400 --> 00:54:18.840
Well, we have to leave it there, Bill, Thank you,

931
00:54:18.960 --> 00:54:22.000
so much. I so appreciate you coming on his newly

932
00:54:22.039 --> 00:54:27.960
released book, Jewish Roots of American Liberty by the Bradley

933
00:54:28.039 --> 00:54:32.000
Prize winning Hillsdale College historian Wilfrid McLay Bill McLay and

934
00:54:32.119 --> 00:54:36.480
Yeshiva University's Rabbi doctor Stuart Halpern illustrates how the free

935
00:54:36.559 --> 00:54:39.760
institutions that we value so much in today's America, including

936
00:54:40.159 --> 00:54:45.039
Christianity itself, are securely grounded in Jewish ideas. And when

937
00:54:45.039 --> 00:54:49.360
you read this book, it will come with additional clarity,

938
00:54:49.800 --> 00:54:53.280
as we said, as you take the responsibility of owning

939
00:54:53.320 --> 00:54:54.360
your own knowledge, right.

940
00:54:54.280 --> 00:55:01.280
Bill, absolutely, and owning in a sense that you realize

941
00:55:01.320 --> 00:55:05.199
you've always had it. Yeah, it's already. It's already been

942
00:55:05.480 --> 00:55:10.679
in the stories you know and in things that you

943
00:55:10.719 --> 00:55:14.639
just never thought of. In this way, it's a blessing,

944
00:55:14.760 --> 00:55:17.159
I hope. May it be a blessed a Jewish way

945
00:55:17.199 --> 00:55:18.719
of putting it may be a blessing to you.

946
00:55:19.320 --> 00:55:22.519
Yes, amen, Amen, I love it. Uh, Bill mcplay, thank

947
00:55:22.519 --> 00:55:24.400
you for being with us. Take care, God bless.

948
00:55:24.440 --> 00:55:26.519
Thank you, Bob, God bless you too.

949
00:55:28.079 --> 00:55:29.880
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morning America. Bill Martinez here just about six minutes after

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the top of the hour, and with us, it's our

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honor to have Lily Gormert join us, the former congressman

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from of course the number one district in Texas by

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the way, because he is number one, and also a

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former attorney and a judge. Lolli Gohmert, Welcome to Michelle.

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Good to have you with us.

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We with the bill.

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Thank you well. I appreciate what you've written about in

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terms of arctic frost and the danger that this is done.

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I mean, there just seems to be such movements of

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sedition that have invaded our country and our constitution. I

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mean it's like, where do you start. I mean, when

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you've got six, you know, elected officials telling our military

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that they don't need to obey an unlawful order, I mean,

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we're in trouble here.

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Yeah.

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Well, the Arctic Cross, I mean that cannot be underestimated.

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Undersould as to just how serious that was. Yes, when

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you have six people that are encouraging members of the

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military to commit a military crime, that is extremely serious.

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But it's right out of the Marxist playbook. David Horowitz,

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we lost him earlier this year. I'm a senior fellow

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with the Freedom the Horowitz Freedom Center, and David was

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a dear friend. And David had said, you know, back

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when he was a leading one of the top few

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communist leaders in America in the late sixties.

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He said, their.

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Motto back then is the same as now, and it

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is among the leaders. The morons don't know, but among

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the leaders, their slogan is the worse, the better. The

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more chaos they could create, the better. And so a

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lot of these people they don't even know what they're

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playing into. But the more chaos they could create, the

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worse it gets, the close they are to having a

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full takeover of what was once the greatest republic in

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the history of the world, the freest, greatest in the

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world's history, longest lasting republic in the history of the world,

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and they're playing into its demise.

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But you know, as a former.

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Felony judge, I would give instructions on what an accomplice was,

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and both under state law and under federal law, same thing.

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We don't recognize accomplices. We recognize people who are accomplices

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as principles. And the instruction from a judge to a

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jury is that someone who aids and a beds a

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prince and principle themselves. And the definition of aiding in

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a betting would include the word encourage. Perhaps that strikes accordion.

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When you hear members of Congress or the Senate encouraging

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people to commit military crimes, they're encouraging the committing of

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a crime.

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This is serious stuff.

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But going back to arctic frost, we've never seen anything

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like this in our history. It just makes Watergate paling

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comparabon without a doubt, that was, you know, a bungled burglary,

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but the big cover up that was a big problem there.

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But here you have the FBI and the DOJ going

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after hundreds of Republicans, members of Congress, members of the

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Senate's phone records. They're going after inspiring on the people

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that have oversight over them. And when we do that,

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it completely eliminates the ability to have oversight. And I know,

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back in six when William Jefferson, who was completely guilty

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of the crime he is selling off favors from his office,

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they absolutely had probable costs to search his home, got

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a warrant to do so, totally appropriate, found ninety thousand

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dollars of cold hard cash in his freezer.

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Then they got a.

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Warrant and appropriate probably cause there to search as his office.

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But in the whole history of the Congress, because of

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the separation of powers, because of the Congression of because

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of the constitutional congressional privilege that prevents the executive branch

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the DOJ from coming in and taking things that allowed

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them to basically find out who's whistleblowing on the FBI

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and on the DOJ.

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There's a privilege there. They don't get to do that.

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So the whole history of the country. They would come

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in and they would present the warrant to House Counsel

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independent and the House counsel would go in and grab

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everything out of that congressman's office and they would go

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through it and they would pull aside things that were privileged,

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things that were from whistleblowers, because the DJ has no

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right to know who the whistleblowers are, that exactly, and

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that way you keep the checks and balances going. But

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Muller was director of the FBI and he wanted He

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knew the law, he knew separation of powers, and he

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didn't care, and he was wanting to shove it down

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Congress's throat.

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So he just came in in the middle of the night.

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He took everything, and he told a foolish federal judge

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in Washington. Oh, but we'll we'll go through everything at

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the DOJ and we'll give back what's privileged. And the

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federal judgment. Okay, but the DC Circuit said, no, you

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can't do that. Party go through that stuff and then

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give you what's allowed. And the Supreme Court they build

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that in the Spring Court.

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Said no, you can't do it.

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We're not going to touch the DC Circuit's opinion.

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So that's been the law.

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And then along comes Christopher Ray and Merrick Garland and

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they say, and Jack Frost Smith and they don't care.

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They are wanting to finally bring down all Republicans in

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the two party system.

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And that's Bill made no mistake. That's what this was.

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This was jum down the two party system and bringing

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us in to a new Marxist era.

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If they've been successful.

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Yeah, this was the continuation of the mission that brock

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Ob I'm announced when he talked about the fundamental transformation

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of our country and people wonder, they go, well, that's odd.

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I mean, a lot of people applauded, you know, and

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wait a minute, stopped for a minute, what did he

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mean by that? And of course now we're starting to

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see the fruit of the tree that he planted there.

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Right, Yeah, you're exactly right, that's exactly what was going on.

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But it was taking it to an extent that most

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of us couldn't believe that they were willing to go.

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I mean, Merrick Garland, can you imagine a guy like

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that on the Supreme Court. Just incredible how far they

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were willing to go to shred the constitution. And so

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the thing is, though, Bill, you have had weak need,

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you know, slack jaw Republicans who were willing to talk

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a good game. But we have not held anybody accountable exactly.

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That's no.

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Not the eighteen years I was in Congress, the years

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we were in the majority. You know, some mobs were

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going we got to hold these people accountable. And we

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held Lois Lorna accountable because she got put on paid

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leave for about a year.

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We'd leave a paid vacation. That was who we held accountable.

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Yeah, and now what does she get a quarter of

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a million in retirement?

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Right?

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Just outrageous.

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Anyway, real quick concution, We got to go to quick break.

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We'll pick it up on the other side. Mark from

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Louis Gohmert. After this, stay with us.

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Before we go on and pick up from where we're at,

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you've been out of Congress for a couple of years now,

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to do, because, as you were suggesting, Republicans and the

1195
01:10:40.319 --> 01:10:44.199
sentiment amongst we the people is that we still want

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01:10:44.239 --> 01:10:47.640
to play nice and we don't understand that we're in

1197
01:10:47.720 --> 01:10:50.479
the middle of a war here and what's hanging in

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01:10:50.560 --> 01:10:52.600
the balance is this democratic republic.

1199
01:10:53.359 --> 01:10:56.479
Yeah, well, people have got to go to prison for

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01:10:56.720 --> 01:10:57.520
the wrongdoing.

1201
01:10:58.079 --> 01:11:03.039
And I'll tell you, having been former criminal judge Felany judge.

1202
01:11:03.479 --> 01:11:06.960
At the Staglo, I was shocked when I found out.

1203
01:11:07.079 --> 01:11:10.239
You know, of course, the warrants that were gotten to

1204
01:11:10.399 --> 01:11:14.720
spy on the Trump campaign through Papadopolis and Carter.

1205
01:11:14.600 --> 01:11:17.199
Paie going back to twenty fifteen, right.

1206
01:11:18.600 --> 01:11:23.760
But then we found out there was a lawyer with

1207
01:11:23.920 --> 01:11:28.520
the DOJ that lied in an affid David knowingly lied

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01:11:29.039 --> 01:11:32.680
to help get the warrant, and the Vice of Judge

1209
01:11:32.960 --> 01:11:36.640
when she found out was kind of whole hum and

1210
01:11:36.800 --> 01:11:41.920
there really weren't much in the way consequences. Eventually they prosecuted,

1211
01:11:41.960 --> 01:11:44.720
but only because a look bit and not much happened

1212
01:11:44.760 --> 01:11:49.399
to him. But I'm telling you, Bill, I was staggered

1213
01:11:49.760 --> 01:11:53.560
that a federal judge, on finding that a lawyer with

1214
01:11:53.720 --> 01:11:57.880
the DOJ lied to her under oath yes to get

1215
01:11:57.960 --> 01:12:02.279
a warrant to spound the president, didn't go ballistic because

1216
01:12:03.199 --> 01:12:05.880
she could have held him in contempt of court and

1217
01:12:06.239 --> 01:12:08.800
put him in jail right then without a hearing for

1218
01:12:08.960 --> 01:12:09.640
six months.

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01:12:09.720 --> 01:12:10.920
That's what I would have done.

1220
01:12:11.399 --> 01:12:15.359
I was staggered, And she was like, you know, okay, well,

1221
01:12:15.439 --> 01:12:19.039
hold that told me we need to end the vice

1222
01:12:19.119 --> 01:12:21.760
of courts. If they don't have more respect for the

1223
01:12:21.880 --> 01:12:25.359
Constitution than that, that's got to end. We got to

1224
01:12:25.479 --> 01:12:29.159
know everything they're doing out in the open, because this

1225
01:12:29.399 --> 01:12:33.840
is a threat. These are chambers that's got to stop.

1226
01:12:34.359 --> 01:12:37.760
And we've got to start going after the judges because

1227
01:12:37.840 --> 01:12:40.920
they're not protecting the constitution, that's one thing.

1228
01:12:41.399 --> 01:12:44.239
And we have got to do more house cleaning.

1229
01:12:44.319 --> 01:12:47.640
At the DOJ we're not clean there yet, and at

1230
01:12:47.680 --> 01:12:51.720
the FBI, we're not clean there yet. So all of

1231
01:12:51.800 --> 01:12:54.119
these things have got to happen, and we've got to

1232
01:12:54.319 --> 01:12:57.520
I know, there's a start with, you know, trying to

1233
01:12:57.600 --> 01:13:01.880
get indictments against some of the former d OJ. But

1234
01:13:02.439 --> 01:13:05.359
people have got to be made held to account for

1235
01:13:05.479 --> 01:13:08.680
what they've done because they brought us to the brink

1236
01:13:08.800 --> 01:13:12.199
of the end of our constitutional republic. If they're not

1237
01:13:12.359 --> 01:13:15.399
made to pay, then it's just going to get worse

1238
01:13:15.520 --> 01:13:16.720
when they're in power again.

1239
01:13:17.279 --> 01:13:20.079
Well, because they just keep it keeps repeating itself and

1240
01:13:20.159 --> 01:13:22.199
getting worse and worse. Like you said, here we go

1241
01:13:22.359 --> 01:13:25.600
from Watergate to where we are now, and it's like

1242
01:13:25.760 --> 01:13:28.840
it makes Watergate look like nothing. And you know, we

1243
01:13:29.000 --> 01:13:32.359
forced the president to resign because of Watergate here no

1244
01:13:32.520 --> 01:13:35.880
consequence whatsoever, and they're doubling down. Why not.

1245
01:13:36.640 --> 01:13:40.640
It just it gets worse and worse and more egregious.

1246
01:13:41.199 --> 01:13:45.119
So yeah, there's got to be consequences are we're going

1247
01:13:45.199 --> 01:13:49.039
to lose this thing, and the next Democrat they will

1248
01:13:49.119 --> 01:13:52.520
go ahead and finish off, moving us into a full

1249
01:13:52.640 --> 01:13:57.399
Marxist state. And you know, I've said a number of

1250
01:13:57.479 --> 01:14:00.640
times the only thing or Well got wrong is the year.

1251
01:14:00.800 --> 01:14:04.279
It wasn't like eighty four. We're living through it now, right.

1252
01:14:04.680 --> 01:14:08.000
That's where they're trying to get us into that Orwellian state.

1253
01:14:08.119 --> 01:14:11.600
They're spying on us, and of course, uh, you know,

1254
01:14:11.760 --> 01:14:16.640
we find I found out from Grassley's investigators that Verizon

1255
01:14:17.760 --> 01:14:20.399
had my name in there and they were getting not

1256
01:14:20.760 --> 01:14:24.119
days like they had some of the senators, but months

1257
01:14:25.000 --> 01:14:29.439
of my records. And Verizon, according to them, just said,

1258
01:14:29.960 --> 01:14:33.840
oh okay, well here's all gons records, and AT and

1259
01:14:33.960 --> 01:14:36.840
T and others were going, well, we're not sure that

1260
01:14:37.000 --> 01:14:41.039
this is a valid thing here. This is just a subpoena.

1261
01:14:41.119 --> 01:14:44.880
There's no warrant, there's no probable cause. And they pushed

1262
01:14:44.960 --> 01:14:46.359
back on it, thank goodness.

1263
01:14:46.479 --> 01:14:50.039
But anyway, yeah, but what does that say about Verizon

1264
01:14:50.119 --> 01:14:50.840
though congressation?

1265
01:14:51.560 --> 01:14:53.239
It raises serious questions.

1266
01:14:53.319 --> 01:14:56.079
And I've had Verizon for many, many, many years, and

1267
01:14:56.960 --> 01:14:58.319
that's about to change.

1268
01:14:58.720 --> 01:15:02.159
Right, you know, I hear, so where are we I

1269
01:15:02.239 --> 01:15:04.760
mean in this situation, I mean, this is supposed to

1270
01:15:04.760 --> 01:15:07.119
be a government up for by we the people, and

1271
01:15:07.279 --> 01:15:10.399
so we the people need to really stand up. And

1272
01:15:10.800 --> 01:15:13.479
not that we expect, you know, a thousand percent agreement,

1273
01:15:13.520 --> 01:15:16.920
because our country didn't start, you know, with a thousand

1274
01:15:17.000 --> 01:15:19.880
percent agreement. It's only about ten percent of the constituents

1275
01:15:20.239 --> 01:15:23.960
that banded together. But we need brave men and women

1276
01:15:24.159 --> 01:15:27.199
to take a stand, you know, not only for themselves,

1277
01:15:27.239 --> 01:15:28.840
but for their kids and their grandkids.

1278
01:15:29.319 --> 01:15:31.359
Yep. Well, but that's just it.

1279
01:15:31.960 --> 01:15:35.760
If we could get ten percent of American adults to

1280
01:15:36.000 --> 01:15:40.560
just bombard their members of Congress and Senate saying you

1281
01:15:40.800 --> 01:15:44.680
have got to go after these people. You've got to

1282
01:15:44.760 --> 01:15:48.800
hold the judges accountable, you've got to hold the DOJ accountable,

1283
01:15:49.159 --> 01:15:53.199
and just light up their switchboards with phone calls, light

1284
01:15:53.279 --> 01:15:57.600
them up with emails. That will make a difference. It

1285
01:15:57.840 --> 01:16:00.680
still makes a difference when members of Congress in the

1286
01:16:00.800 --> 01:16:05.479
Senate just get bombarded with phone calls and emails, and

1287
01:16:05.880 --> 01:16:10.880
especially if people are really heated up over the issue

1288
01:16:11.039 --> 01:16:11.439
and they.

1289
01:16:11.800 --> 01:16:14.319
Is it is it conceivable, Congressman, that we could do

1290
01:16:14.399 --> 01:16:18.039
an operation warp speed to clean this mess up? Because

1291
01:16:18.359 --> 01:16:20.479
time is a wasting I mean, here we are, We've

1292
01:16:20.520 --> 01:16:23.239
got one year down, three years left with with with

1293
01:16:23.439 --> 01:16:27.279
the President Trump and the midterms hanging in the balance. Here,

1294
01:16:27.680 --> 01:16:30.079
God forbid the Democrats get the gabble. If they do,

1295
01:16:30.359 --> 01:16:33.119
then forget it. You know, the rest of the two

1296
01:16:33.199 --> 01:16:34.640
years of the president is going to be new to.

1297
01:16:34.680 --> 01:16:36.079
Her another impeachment.

1298
01:16:36.680 --> 01:16:41.199
Yes, exactly. So I mean, is there is there enough

1299
01:16:41.359 --> 01:16:47.359
spine there in Congress? I like Mike Johnson, I have

1300
01:16:47.479 --> 01:16:49.800
a lot of hope for him, but he needs he

1301
01:16:49.920 --> 01:16:52.960
needs reinforcements, just like Donald Trump needs reinforcements.

1302
01:16:53.079 --> 01:16:57.039
Right, Yes, absolutely, And the only way to get that

1303
01:16:57.319 --> 01:17:01.319
is if enough people are are like up the switchboards

1304
01:17:01.520 --> 01:17:04.920
and hit them with emails and letting their members of

1305
01:17:05.000 --> 01:17:07.600
Congress know you have got to do something.

1306
01:17:07.840 --> 01:17:11.279
We have let this stuff go on much too long.

1307
01:17:11.720 --> 01:17:15.359
It's time to quit talking about it and quit having

1308
01:17:15.520 --> 01:17:18.159
little hearings where you get soundbites and you.

1309
01:17:18.279 --> 01:17:19.479
Don't do anything.

1310
01:17:20.199 --> 01:17:25.199
It's time to actually do something and hold these people accountable.

1311
01:17:25.680 --> 01:17:28.960
You push and you get them, You get them into

1312
01:17:29.039 --> 01:17:33.399
the DOJ where they are held accountable with criminal actions.

1313
01:17:34.239 --> 01:17:36.520
And that's where it's got to go.

1314
01:17:38.039 --> 01:17:41.800
As a former congressman, you know what happens when you

1315
01:17:41.920 --> 01:17:46.239
get when the switchboard is lit up and you're getting emails, right,

1316
01:17:46.560 --> 01:17:52.560
and sometimes the constituency doesn't quite comprehend the power of

1317
01:17:52.680 --> 01:17:55.039
an email or a phone call, right.

1318
01:17:55.560 --> 01:17:59.800
That's right, that's right, And it makes a difference. And

1319
01:18:00.279 --> 01:18:03.960
when we finally would get people so upset that they

1320
01:18:04.000 --> 01:18:08.399
would really bombard their members of Congress, only then would

1321
01:18:08.560 --> 01:18:14.119
we stop bad legislation or get some good legislation done.

1322
01:18:15.000 --> 01:18:18.920
But it takes that kind of work from members of

1323
01:18:19.000 --> 01:18:19.600
the public.

1324
01:18:20.760 --> 01:18:22.760
Really, So when you go when you go to the floor,

1325
01:18:22.880 --> 01:18:26.159
for example, and you and and your switchboards lit up,

1326
01:18:26.520 --> 01:18:29.159
and you've got two hundred phone calls, you're going to

1327
01:18:29.239 --> 01:18:32.279
the floor and saying this is just a sample of

1328
01:18:32.399 --> 01:18:36.439
the response of my constituent and everybody else, you know,

1329
01:18:37.600 --> 01:18:39.279
I mean, they're not going to have two hundred phone calls.

1330
01:18:39.319 --> 01:18:42.439
Maybe they got five or ten, So two hundred really

1331
01:18:42.880 --> 01:18:46.079
says a lot for example, right, Yeah.

1332
01:18:46.000 --> 01:18:52.359
But there were times where you know, under really tough circumstances,

1333
01:18:52.439 --> 01:18:58.000
they get a thousand, yes, and really what sometimes they

1334
01:18:58.159 --> 01:19:00.800
go to the floor ands they you know, mark constituents

1335
01:19:00.840 --> 01:19:04.680
are really upset about that. But what more often happened

1336
01:19:04.840 --> 01:19:08.079
is they would go to the speaker and say, look,

1337
01:19:08.760 --> 01:19:12.279
I've been a team player and I've been holding back

1338
01:19:12.479 --> 01:19:16.560
like you said, but I can't hold back anymore. We

1339
01:19:16.720 --> 01:19:19.680
have got to do something. And when you have enough

1340
01:19:19.800 --> 01:19:23.760
members of Congress coming to the speaker and saying, look,

1341
01:19:24.880 --> 01:19:28.720
I can't keep my seat if we don't do something,

1342
01:19:29.399 --> 01:19:31.279
then that's when something gets done.

1343
01:19:31.920 --> 01:19:32.079
Right.

1344
01:19:32.640 --> 01:19:33.640
That's really the key.

1345
01:19:34.039 --> 01:19:35.760
It's one thing to go on the floor and say,

1346
01:19:35.840 --> 01:19:40.479
here's what all my constituents are saying, more soundbites. They

1347
01:19:40.600 --> 01:19:45.159
go to the speaker and say, Mike, we got to

1348
01:19:45.239 --> 01:19:48.720
do something. My people are so mad at me. I'm

1349
01:19:48.760 --> 01:19:51.439
going to lose my seat. If we don't do something,

1350
01:19:52.079 --> 01:19:54.359
and you have enough of those go to the speaker.

1351
01:19:54.920 --> 01:19:56.479
It makes a difference.

1352
01:19:56.800 --> 01:20:00.359
That's when it makes a difference, exactly. Congressman Louis Gohmert

1353
01:20:00.399 --> 01:20:03.039
has been our guest congressman. As we wrap things up,

1354
01:20:03.920 --> 01:20:06.279
the people want to hear hope. Give them some hope,

1355
01:20:06.279 --> 01:20:06.840
would you please.

1356
01:20:07.479 --> 01:20:10.359
Well, what we just were talking about is the hope.

1357
01:20:10.920 --> 01:20:11.039
Now.

1358
01:20:11.399 --> 01:20:18.960
Being a Christian, I always have hope. Yes, remember you

1359
01:20:19.039 --> 01:20:23.640
know the comment our hope will not arrive on Air

1360
01:20:23.720 --> 01:20:30.199
Force one. But people have hope. But we have a

1361
01:20:30.359 --> 01:20:34.760
system of government where we are the people that make

1362
01:20:34.880 --> 01:20:38.079
things happen. But if you just sit back and say,

1363
01:20:38.159 --> 01:20:42.039
well there's nothing to be done, well we've lost already.

1364
01:20:42.560 --> 01:20:46.840
But exactly real time, we have been given a reprieve

1365
01:20:47.039 --> 01:20:51.720
when President Trump won. If he had lost, then I

1366
01:20:51.760 --> 01:20:55.199
would say, now there's really not much hope we you

1367
01:20:55.279 --> 01:20:59.800
know this, we would not know about arctic frost. This

1368
01:21:00.079 --> 01:21:04.640
would that would not have resulted in anything happening. But

1369
01:21:05.039 --> 01:21:09.039
we have been given a reprieve. We've been given another chance, bill,

1370
01:21:09.479 --> 01:21:12.560
and we have got to take advantage of it. This

1371
01:21:12.800 --> 01:21:16.520
is our chance, and people have got to respond. It's

1372
01:21:16.680 --> 01:21:19.920
not enough that we got President Trump or re elected.

1373
01:21:20.319 --> 01:21:24.560
It's got to be everybody take advantage. Let's get out there,

1374
01:21:24.840 --> 01:21:28.359
let your congress members, your senators know they got to

1375
01:21:28.439 --> 01:21:32.479
do something with this opportunity. We may not have two

1376
01:21:32.600 --> 01:21:35.960
more years after this. We have got to do something

1377
01:21:36.439 --> 01:21:38.880
this next year. It's critical, you know.

1378
01:21:38.960 --> 01:21:43.159
Right now. It is a sense of immediacy that must

1379
01:21:43.600 --> 01:21:46.600
be that we must focus on. He's a former congressman

1380
01:21:46.680 --> 01:21:49.760
currently Senior Fellow for Political Statesmanship with the David Horowitz

1381
01:21:49.800 --> 01:21:53.000
Freedom Center. Louis Gomert has been our guest a Congressman

1382
01:21:53.119 --> 01:21:54.840
is always an honor great to have you with us.

1383
01:21:54.880 --> 01:21:57.359
Take care, God bless thank you, God bless you.

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Bill.

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Hey, we're back with you. Glad you could join us.

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Bill Martinez here along with the Jeff camp the speaker

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and former nfl QB and Ministry leader. Hey Jeff, good morning,

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Good morning Bill. Hey, Merry Christmas to you. I love

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this time of year. I got to tell you I

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love the way was set up. It starts, you know,

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with Thanksgiving we go into advent and VET is so

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critical because it because it's all about the coming right

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and the coming of Jesus Christ, God's solution to our

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sin problem. And it's just just a neat season to

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prepare us to receive, to receive, you know, Jesus and

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God's greatest gift that he gave to his creation.

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01:26:50.119 --> 01:26:52.640
Well that the word received, you know, means a lot

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01:26:52.720 --> 01:26:56.760
to me. Being a football player, I used to throw

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the ball to guys who would receive it. And it's

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01:27:00.279 --> 01:27:01.960
kind of funny and ironic that I would write a

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book about receiving as opposed to initiating, leading, throwing, passing.

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01:27:09.119 --> 01:27:13.039
But it does fit in with Christmas and your enthusiasm

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for Advent, because Advent is, you know, a month of

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01:27:16.399 --> 01:27:21.800
preparing yourself to receive the gift of Jesus Christ, God's

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Messiah and the solution to everything the Old Testament was

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01:27:26.640 --> 01:27:31.119
pointing to. When John the Baptist showed up, he said,

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01:27:31.520 --> 01:27:36.239
you know, I'm baptizing you with water, but He's going

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01:27:36.279 --> 01:27:38.720
to baptize you with the Holy Spirit, meaning you get

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God's presence inside of you when Jesus comes and he

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forgives your sins once for all, and he adopts you

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01:27:46.159 --> 01:27:49.079
to be the Father's son, and you get to share

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01:27:49.119 --> 01:27:53.239
in Jesus's glory because he defeated death, he defeated sin,

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01:27:53.520 --> 01:27:59.359
he defeated evil. Justice will be accomplished when Jesus returns

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01:27:59.439 --> 01:28:01.000
and God fixes everything.

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So what a gift.

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01:28:02.279 --> 01:28:04.359
But you know, I was thinking of it this see

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01:28:04.439 --> 01:28:08.479
this ball here. If someone gave me this ball as

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a gift and I didn't receive it and just kind

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01:28:13.119 --> 01:28:17.600
of let it go, didn't focus on it, it wouldn't

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01:28:17.680 --> 01:28:22.920
change me. Secondly, if I received it. But I said, oh, yeah,

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I've seen.

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01:28:23.319 --> 01:28:25.640
One of those before. Okay, I got that. I'll put

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it on the shelf. There we go, it's on the shelf.

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01:28:30.600 --> 01:28:33.800
Then it's not something I'm cherishing every day. It's not

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something that I can play with my sons and grandsons with.

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It's not something I can experience. And God wants to

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be a gift that we continue to experience every day.

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So my encouragement for all all of our friends that

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are listening is treat this whole month like a time

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01:28:54.439 --> 01:29:00.479
of receiving the gift of Jesus Christ and focusing on Wow,

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01:29:00.600 --> 01:29:02.399
what a sacrifice it must have been for a father

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01:29:02.520 --> 01:29:05.239
to give us perfect son, his only son. None of

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01:29:05.279 --> 01:29:07.960
us would sacrifice our son or daughter for someone else,

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01:29:08.760 --> 01:29:11.640
and then receiving the forgiveness. A lot of us haven't

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01:29:11.680 --> 01:29:15.119
forgiven ourselves. We've forgotten that Christ paid it all on

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01:29:15.199 --> 01:29:20.319
the cross. And then receiving the Holy Spirit, which is

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01:29:20.640 --> 01:29:23.760
I trust to you God, and Jesus sends the Holy

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01:29:23.840 --> 01:29:26.960
Spirit to live inside of me. That's where your conscience

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01:29:27.039 --> 01:29:30.079
comes alive. That's where the joy comes. That's where you

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01:29:30.199 --> 01:29:34.119
get a perspective that, hey, this world is not all

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01:29:34.199 --> 01:29:36.840
there is. I'm trying to live with eternity in mind.

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And then you receive God's guidance in your life every

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01:29:42.239 --> 01:29:46.159
day to live by the Bible says, abiding in Jesus

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01:29:46.880 --> 01:29:49.359
and glorifying God to do the good works that He

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01:29:50.079 --> 01:29:51.399
prepared in advance.

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01:29:51.119 --> 01:29:54.359
For us to do. So let's keep that idea of

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receiving Jesus.

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01:29:56.960 --> 01:30:00.880
Christ, our faith in Him, our relationship God, the Holy

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01:30:00.960 --> 01:30:02.000
Spirit's presence.

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01:30:02.600 --> 01:30:06.199
How about the Bible bill receive the Bible every day?

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01:30:06.840 --> 01:30:07.720
See we guide it.

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01:30:08.239 --> 01:30:13.600
Yes, yeah, because we do not live by you know,

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01:30:13.720 --> 01:30:17.079
by bread alone, but by every word Jesus said that

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01:30:17.239 --> 01:30:20.560
comes from the mouth of God. That's that's how significant

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01:30:20.640 --> 01:30:23.479
the word of God is and should be in our lives.

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01:30:24.319 --> 01:30:26.840
You mentioned John the Baptist John the Baptist came in

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01:30:27.079 --> 01:30:32.720
ushering the time of repentance. He said, repent because the

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01:30:32.880 --> 01:30:36.720
Kingdom of God is at hand. I mean everything you

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01:30:36.800 --> 01:30:39.600
got to imagine. You know, for thousands of years, Jeff,

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01:30:40.319 --> 01:30:44.039
you know, the Jews were waiting for the promised Messiah

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01:30:44.760 --> 01:30:47.359
and hope upon hope, they kept on going from one

1533
01:30:47.479 --> 01:30:50.840
generation hanging there. You know, God's faithful. You know the

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01:30:50.920 --> 01:30:52.720
Messiah will be coming, the Messala of the company you

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01:30:52.800 --> 01:30:56.119
just just passed on from generation to generation. And then

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01:30:56.239 --> 01:31:01.439
now you've got John the Baptist, who was the fruition

1537
01:31:01.960 --> 01:31:04.800
of the prophecy that said is one calling out in

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01:31:04.880 --> 01:31:08.840
the wilderness. He was going to precede and usher in

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01:31:09.000 --> 01:31:12.720
the way to the Messiah. And so he's telling everybody

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01:31:12.720 --> 01:31:15.319
you've got to repent. Well, you know, you think about

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01:31:15.600 --> 01:31:19.760
repentance and what that means. If you don't understand what

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01:31:19.960 --> 01:31:23.840
you're repenting from, just like with that gift of the football,

1543
01:31:24.119 --> 01:31:26.960
if you don't understand and appreciate what's in that gift.

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01:31:27.399 --> 01:31:30.319
If nothing else, maybe just a gesture from a dear

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01:31:30.399 --> 01:31:34.159
friend who just is so special to you that he

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01:31:34.920 --> 01:31:37.520
thought about you enough to get you something, and this

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01:31:37.680 --> 01:31:40.000
is his gift. And every time you look at that football,

1548
01:31:40.039 --> 01:31:43.399
it reminds you of that special friend and the relationship

1549
01:31:43.640 --> 01:31:46.800
and the history you've had. Right. So, but we've got

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01:31:46.880 --> 01:31:49.399
to reconcile. The first step is that in order to

1551
01:31:50.119 --> 01:31:54.279
you know, reconcile our relationship with God and Jesus, we've

1552
01:31:54.359 --> 01:31:57.439
got to look and say where did I fall? How

1553
01:31:57.479 --> 01:32:00.920
did I what did I do to corrupt this relationship?

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01:32:01.600 --> 01:32:05.119
And then that gets us into that position of repentance,

1555
01:32:05.479 --> 01:32:08.479
to where we can appreciate the fullness of the gift

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01:32:08.560 --> 01:32:09.119
of Christmas.

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01:32:09.279 --> 01:32:11.640
Right and repentance.

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01:32:11.800 --> 01:32:14.199
Sometimes that's a word that some people got maybe a

1559
01:32:14.279 --> 01:32:17.359
negative view of, but it's a very good view. If

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01:32:17.439 --> 01:32:20.520
you were driving to the airport and went the wrong

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01:32:20.600 --> 01:32:22.920
way and realize, oh my gosh, we're going the wrong way.

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01:32:22.960 --> 01:32:26.560
We're going to be late, you would turn around and

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01:32:26.680 --> 01:32:30.039
go the right direction to the airport. That would be repenting.

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01:32:30.800 --> 01:32:34.600
If you were getting frustrated with your children and being

1565
01:32:34.720 --> 01:32:39.119
harsh and mean and frustrating them, which the Bible says,

1566
01:32:39.159 --> 01:32:42.800
don't frustrate your children, you'd say, oh, this isn't working.

1567
01:32:42.880 --> 01:32:45.760
They're not behaving, they're not happy. I'm not happy. No

1568
01:32:45.840 --> 01:32:48.239
one's getting along. They didn't even want to play scrabble

1569
01:32:48.319 --> 01:32:52.760
with me, you would repent, which is, hey, you guys,

1570
01:32:53.279 --> 01:32:55.800
I'm sorry. I do need you to obey. We need

1571
01:32:55.920 --> 01:32:58.199
to have rules in this family. But I'm not going

1572
01:32:58.279 --> 01:33:01.720
to get angry and yell, and I'm asking you forgiveness.

1573
01:33:01.800 --> 01:33:04.359
I want to do it differently. And then you go

1574
01:33:04.439 --> 01:33:07.680
to God and you say, God, I'm sorry for breaking

1575
01:33:07.760 --> 01:33:11.199
your rule to love others as Jesus loved me. And

1576
01:33:11.319 --> 01:33:14.279
I need your help. I need your help to be

1577
01:33:14.399 --> 01:33:17.840
patiently these children. I need your help to love my husband,

1578
01:33:17.920 --> 01:33:20.640
to love my wife. I need your help to not

1579
01:33:20.800 --> 01:33:24.560
be judgmental and critical to people who think differently than I.

1580
01:33:25.039 --> 01:33:26.199
That is repentance.

1581
01:33:26.640 --> 01:33:28.680
It's great if you're spending so much money you're gonna

1582
01:33:28.680 --> 01:33:31.479
go broke. Repentance says, hey, let's get a budget and

1583
01:33:31.520 --> 01:33:34.119
stop spending so much so someday we can afford to

1584
01:33:34.159 --> 01:33:36.640
buy a home and put our kids through college. That

1585
01:33:36.840 --> 01:33:40.800
is a very good thing. In this case, repenting isn't

1586
01:33:40.840 --> 01:33:42.600
even a power that we do on our own. We

1587
01:33:42.720 --> 01:33:44.920
just say God, I'm not succeeding. I can't do it

1588
01:33:45.000 --> 01:33:45.439
on my own.

1589
01:33:45.600 --> 01:33:46.159
I need you.

1590
01:33:46.920 --> 01:33:50.119
I want to receive your Holy Spirit's guidance. To live

1591
01:33:50.359 --> 01:33:50.800
your way.

1592
01:33:51.359 --> 01:33:54.359
That's repentance, not my way, but God's.

1593
01:33:54.079 --> 01:33:58.279
Way exactly, And it's tuning yourself into like you said,

1594
01:33:58.319 --> 01:34:02.479
God's purpose, his will will be done, and like you said,

1595
01:34:03.399 --> 01:34:06.520
the way the universe is designed is we can tell

1596
01:34:06.600 --> 01:34:11.439
pretty quick if you can have discernment and peace enough

1597
01:34:11.600 --> 01:34:14.079
in your life to see when things are not going

1598
01:34:14.239 --> 01:34:17.680
right and there's a disturbance in the force. Luke Skywalker,

1599
01:34:18.119 --> 01:34:20.279
you know, then you're going to go, hey, maybe I

1600
01:34:20.359 --> 01:34:23.600
need to reverse gear here, Maybe I need to pause

1601
01:34:23.680 --> 01:34:27.439
for a moment, reevaluate this situation and say what am

1602
01:34:27.439 --> 01:34:29.399
I doing? Am I bringing peace? You know the Bible

1603
01:34:29.439 --> 01:34:32.199
says to pursue peace? Am I pursuing peace? Or am

1604
01:34:32.239 --> 01:34:34.119
I aggravating the opposite?

1605
01:34:35.359 --> 01:34:35.760
Exactly.

1606
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You and I talked to beforean that we wanted to

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give a gift to our listeners. Yes, and the book Receive,

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which talks about the way Jesus lived by receiving everything

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from the Father, we want to give that to people,

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men and women. The title is Received the Way of

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Jesus for men, but it's just written to men. It's

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the same message for women. You can just calibrate and

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interpret and female language, or maybe you want to share

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it with with a guy you can. You can buy

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the Received book at Amazon and other places and give

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it a man for a gift. It'd be a great gift.

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01:35:09.479 --> 01:35:13.279
But we want to give the audiobook to you and Bill.

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01:35:13.319 --> 01:35:17.319
If any of our listeners come to my website Jeff

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kempteam dot com. Jeff kempteam dot com, we'll put a

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notice up there for the Bill Martinez Live team that

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you get the free Received book and I'll give you

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a playbook for friendship and my Core three coaching which

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is just a weekly text.

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So I want to keep.

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Giving all year long so people experience deep friendship and

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live by receiving God's gift continually.

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Well, Jeff Kemp, that's awesome, what a great gift. So again,

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01:35:45.479 --> 01:35:47.640
remind them of the website they can go to to

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01:35:47.720 --> 01:35:51.319
take advantage of this Christmas gift. I mean we're gonna

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stretch it out. There's going to be more than twelve

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01:35:53.359 --> 01:35:54.920
days of Christmas here and this is awesome.

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Yeah.

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So to receive the book, receive the Way of Jesus

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for Men, and my other free tools for friendship, go

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to Jeff kempteam dot com jeffkempteam dot com and look

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for the icon that speaks about the gift and we'll

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put something up there for Bill Martinez listeners.

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You got it, Thanks Jeff Kemp. Take care, God bless you.

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Welcome morning, Welcome back. Bill Martinez here along with Paul

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Batura from a Focus on the family. Paul serves as

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the corporate spokesperson for the ministry. He's responsible for media

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relations and is editor in chief of The Daily Citizen. Paul,

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good morning to you. How are you.

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I'm doing great, Bill, Good to see you again.

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01:40:43.119 --> 01:40:46.680
Hey, great to see you and talking about you know,

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01:40:47.640 --> 01:40:49.920
the times that are so interesting right now. And I

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01:40:50.000 --> 01:40:53.439
found this to be the case historically, whenever there is

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01:40:54.000 --> 01:40:58.199
an outbreak of revival, the demonic will show up on

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01:40:58.399 --> 01:41:00.960
scene and they try to do a or offensive, right,

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01:41:01.520 --> 01:41:05.159
and so, no surprise, this is what's happening in America today.

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01:41:05.479 --> 01:41:07.479
And for some that do not have eyes to see,

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01:41:07.920 --> 01:41:10.840
they see more of what's happening on the secular and

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01:41:10.920 --> 01:41:13.640
demonic end than they do in the spiritual end. Right.

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01:41:14.199 --> 01:41:16.880
Yeah, Bill, you're a student of history. You appreciate the

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01:41:17.000 --> 01:41:21.159
fact that while history doesn't necessarily repeat itself, human nature does,

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01:41:21.840 --> 01:41:24.800
and we tend to find what we're looking for. So

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01:41:24.960 --> 01:41:29.640
if you want to find elements and opportunities of demonic

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01:41:29.760 --> 01:41:34.600
activity and revolution and you know, tough stuff, it's there.

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01:41:35.479 --> 01:41:38.039
But concurrently there's some good stuff going on, and we

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01:41:38.159 --> 01:41:41.359
see it revival, we see people coming to the Lord,

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01:41:41.479 --> 01:41:43.960
and so there's reason for hope, and there's also reason

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01:41:44.039 --> 01:41:44.680
to be on guard.

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01:41:45.359 --> 01:41:48.199
Well. And the thing is, you know, people ask Jesus

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01:41:48.359 --> 01:41:51.319
is what's up here? What's what? Why is it that

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01:41:51.920 --> 01:41:54.520
in a sense, you know, you have wheats and terrors,

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01:41:54.560 --> 01:41:58.680
And that was his answer, is that the terrors will

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01:41:58.680 --> 01:42:01.399
be allowed to grow at the same time with the wheat. Right,

1746
01:42:01.760 --> 01:42:04.479
But then when the harvester comes in, he bundles it

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01:42:04.600 --> 01:42:06.680
up and then he sifts and divides.

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01:42:07.520 --> 01:42:07.960
That's right.

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01:42:08.479 --> 01:42:11.479
That's the scripture is very clear on what to expect

1750
01:42:12.319 --> 01:42:14.359
and then also how to navigate it. I mean, we're

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01:42:14.399 --> 01:42:17.640
not to be fearful, we're not to shy away from it.

1752
01:42:17.720 --> 01:42:19.880
We're supposed to lean into it, and we're supposed to

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01:42:20.000 --> 01:42:23.760
confront it. And so there's no reason for anybody today

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01:42:23.960 --> 01:42:26.680
to be discouraged. But again to be on guard.

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01:42:27.640 --> 01:42:29.039
Well, you know, here we are, we're in the ad

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01:42:29.119 --> 01:42:32.000
that season. The first week was hope, and we have

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01:42:32.079 --> 01:42:34.399
a lot to be hopeful for. And as you say,

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I think this is a time to remind people of faith. Hey,

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01:42:37.600 --> 01:42:41.640
think about what hope, what your hope is anchored in,

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01:42:42.399 --> 01:42:46.079
And as you do, then watch what happens to your

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01:42:46.119 --> 01:42:47.079
confidence level.

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Right, That's right.

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01:42:48.880 --> 01:42:51.039
I was having breakfast last week with a friend who's

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an attorney works with ADF and religious liberty cases, and

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01:42:56.199 --> 01:42:58.279
he said that he made a bold statement. He said

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that never before in the history of America have religious

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01:43:00.880 --> 01:43:04.720
liberty laws been stronger than they are right now, which

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01:43:04.960 --> 01:43:06.760
you know, at first I thought, well, wait a second,

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01:43:06.800 --> 01:43:09.479
it feels like we're always fighting a battle. And he said, well,

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01:43:09.560 --> 01:43:13.399
that may be true, but are certainly our Supreme Court

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01:43:13.520 --> 01:43:17.960
has been favorable to the concerns and the protections that

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01:43:18.079 --> 01:43:23.359
you and I pray for and work towards. And so

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01:43:23.920 --> 01:43:25.640
there's a lot of reason for hope, and there's a

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01:43:25.680 --> 01:43:27.960
lot of reason to be encouraged well.

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01:43:28.000 --> 01:43:30.760
And to the attorney's point, at this time an era

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01:43:30.960 --> 01:43:35.840
that we're in, freedom is not free. And you know,

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01:43:36.000 --> 01:43:39.760
our forefathers and those before us, generations before us, gave

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01:43:39.880 --> 01:43:42.720
up life, they gave up treasure, they gave up reputation

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01:43:43.279 --> 01:43:46.079
for the sake of freedom. And there's always a cost

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01:43:46.159 --> 01:43:48.960
that comes into play. Right now. It may be economical,

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01:43:49.640 --> 01:43:52.279
you know, because there have been people who have been

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01:43:52.479 --> 01:43:54.359
you know, just for praying in the middle of a

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01:43:54.399 --> 01:43:59.119
football field or wanting to conduct a bakery and honor

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01:43:59.199 --> 01:44:05.600
their Christian It's been a costly proposition, but you know,

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01:44:05.720 --> 01:44:07.760
every step of the way, I see time and again,

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01:44:07.920 --> 01:44:11.680
even though we have to go through the fires, you

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01:44:11.760 --> 01:44:14.640
know that the result has been consistent, and that is

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01:44:14.720 --> 01:44:18.720
that religious freedom is winning out. But you can't take

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01:44:18.760 --> 01:44:21.600
it for granted. That there will be a price to

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01:44:21.680 --> 01:44:22.119
be paid.

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Right, that's right.

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01:44:23.520 --> 01:44:26.319
And the reason religious liberty laws may be stronger than

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01:44:26.359 --> 01:44:29.920
they ever were before is because twenty thirty forty years ago,

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01:44:30.039 --> 01:44:33.920
we didn't need the laws. There was an understanding and

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01:44:33.960 --> 01:44:37.439
appreciation or respect that people weren't going to try and

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01:44:37.600 --> 01:44:42.119
force Jack Phillips to make a cake that is offensive

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01:44:42.199 --> 01:44:46.760
to his faith and you know, against his personal deep

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01:44:47.119 --> 01:44:51.319
seated convictions. But all of these antagonists and all of

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01:44:51.399 --> 01:44:54.880
these bullies and they're gonna causes problems.

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01:44:54.920 --> 01:44:56.520
And so what do you do.

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01:44:56.680 --> 01:44:59.000
Do you roll over and just kind of take it. No,

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01:44:59.239 --> 01:45:02.920
you push back. You work within the system. And the

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01:45:03.000 --> 01:45:06.399
Lord has blessed us with great minds and great organizations

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01:45:06.600 --> 01:45:10.800
like Alliance Defending Freedom and like First Liberty, and then

1805
01:45:10.960 --> 01:45:13.760
advocates like yourself who get on the air every day

1806
01:45:14.359 --> 01:45:18.279
and normalize this and remind us that we're not alone

1807
01:45:18.520 --> 01:45:21.560
and we're not crazy for believing what we believe.

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01:45:22.039 --> 01:45:25.760
Well, and we don't abandon our doctrine and our principles

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01:45:26.039 --> 01:45:29.319
of pursuing peace. Though you get attacked, and you know

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01:45:29.399 --> 01:45:31.600
what did Jesus say? You know, you walk that extra mile,

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01:45:31.680 --> 01:45:34.520
you turn another cheek, And that's difficult if you're the

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01:45:34.640 --> 01:45:38.560
one who's getting attacked. I get that. You know, we

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01:45:38.800 --> 01:45:41.800
have all been in different circumstances. Have I been like

1814
01:45:41.920 --> 01:45:45.720
Jack Phillips, No, But I've had other forms of attack

1815
01:45:45.800 --> 01:45:48.880
that have come upon me because I dare, say Jesus,

1816
01:45:49.479 --> 01:45:52.560
and that offends people. But this is where we live

1817
01:45:52.680 --> 01:45:55.680
right now, is that the truth no longer is a defense.

1818
01:45:55.800 --> 01:45:57.920
The truth has become an offense ball.

1819
01:45:58.520 --> 01:46:02.199
That's right, yeah, and you know it's you don't want to,

1820
01:46:03.520 --> 01:46:05.760
don't back down. I mean, that's what I think we've

1821
01:46:05.880 --> 01:46:09.239
learned in this era that the enemies for the most part,

1822
01:46:09.319 --> 01:46:13.960
are paper tigers. They are they bark and they yell,

1823
01:46:14.159 --> 01:46:19.520
and they you know, are very very antagonistic, and yet

1824
01:46:19.800 --> 01:46:22.520
they're not that. You know, our God is a lot

1825
01:46:22.560 --> 01:46:25.600
bigger than they are, and we can overcome them with

1826
01:46:25.800 --> 01:46:29.520
our strong, strong arguments, with our strong witness. I mean,

1827
01:46:29.560 --> 01:46:31.880
that's the best way to overcome them. And you know

1828
01:46:32.439 --> 01:46:34.479
to you know, my mom used to say, kill them

1829
01:46:34.520 --> 01:46:37.000
with kindness if if you encounter someone who hates you,

1830
01:46:37.520 --> 01:46:41.279
and that works pretty well. It's it's rather practical, and

1831
01:46:41.399 --> 01:46:44.319
it tends to bear out. I think you certainly encounter it.

1832
01:46:44.800 --> 01:46:46.800
Being on the air every day. I'm sure you encounter

1833
01:46:46.880 --> 01:46:50.840
all kinds of resistance, but you respect and push back

1834
01:46:50.840 --> 01:46:53.560
a little bit, and they're surprised sometimes that you respond.

1835
01:46:53.640 --> 01:46:57.720
I bet yeah. And sometimes I mean, honestly and vulnerably,

1836
01:46:57.840 --> 01:47:00.600
I will say, yeah, I want to act like everybody else.

1837
01:47:00.640 --> 01:47:03.239
I want to let my emotions go out ahead of it.

1838
01:47:03.600 --> 01:47:05.960
But when I do, then I go, ah, why did

1839
01:47:06.000 --> 01:47:06.399
I do that?

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01:47:06.560 --> 01:47:06.720
You know?

1841
01:47:06.960 --> 01:47:12.079
And and conversely, when you know, I hold on to

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01:47:12.199 --> 01:47:15.479
God's peace, and I understand, and I'm reminded in his

1843
01:47:15.600 --> 01:47:19.199
word in the Book of Psalms, is that when when

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01:47:19.239 --> 01:47:24.039
you get evil raising its head, God laughs. God mocks evil,

1845
01:47:24.680 --> 01:47:27.439
and you know, and that's the opportunity for us to

1846
01:47:27.560 --> 01:47:30.199
co labor with God and to be in his peace

1847
01:47:30.600 --> 01:47:33.520
and let God contend with those that will contend with us,

1848
01:47:34.119 --> 01:47:37.399
and not to worry, you know, because Jesus even said, hey,

1849
01:47:37.479 --> 01:47:41.439
in those moments of contenson, you know, chill, so to speak,

1850
01:47:41.760 --> 01:47:44.239
you know, the modern version chill. The Holy Spirit will

1851
01:47:44.279 --> 01:47:46.319
give you the words to say, right.

1852
01:47:46.840 --> 01:47:47.840
That's right. Yeah.

1853
01:47:47.920 --> 01:47:50.520
I can't tell you how many times, whether before an interview,

1854
01:47:50.720 --> 01:47:53.159
before I sit down to write something, or you pray,

1855
01:47:53.279 --> 01:47:55.119
you ask for the Holy Spirit. We're living in the

1856
01:47:55.159 --> 01:47:57.199
age of the Spirit. You know, there was the age

1857
01:47:57.239 --> 01:47:58.680
of the Father and the age of the Son, and

1858
01:47:58.760 --> 01:48:00.560
now we're in the age of the Holy Spit. What

1859
01:48:00.680 --> 01:48:03.920
a powerful tool to have at our disposal. And I

1860
01:48:03.960 --> 01:48:07.319
don't mean to make the Holy Spirit sound utilitarian. He's

1861
01:48:07.399 --> 01:48:10.439
he's here for us, and he's willing and ready to

1862
01:48:10.640 --> 01:48:13.399
inspire us and to put thoughts in our mind that

1863
01:48:13.479 --> 01:48:16.880
we otherwise wouldn't have, and to confront. You know, I'm

1864
01:48:16.960 --> 01:48:19.199
shocked at how many times I'll get a nasty note

1865
01:48:19.720 --> 01:48:21.680
and I write back, and I try and you know,

1866
01:48:22.560 --> 01:48:25.800
graciously responded. Most of the time they write back and

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01:48:25.840 --> 01:48:28.119
they'll say, I'm sorry for being such a jerk. I

1868
01:48:28.279 --> 01:48:31.840
was just you know, irritated and heated. I think sometimes

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01:48:32.000 --> 01:48:34.279
in this age in which we live, people don't actually

1870
01:48:34.359 --> 01:48:37.239
think they're talking to people, you know, It's like they're talking.

1871
01:48:37.079 --> 01:48:41.039
To these you know, these you know, sauces or something, yeah.

1872
01:48:41.039 --> 01:48:43.479
Or something, and so when you actually engage them. And

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01:48:43.520 --> 01:48:45.600
the same is true with your neighbors. I mean we

1874
01:48:45.760 --> 01:48:48.319
all Scripture says, when did it all possible? Live at

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01:48:48.359 --> 01:48:51.119
peace with all men? Now there's a caveat there when

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01:48:51.199 --> 01:48:53.520
when all possible? There's going to be times when maybe

1877
01:48:53.560 --> 01:48:56.399
you can't, but you try and you kind of test

1878
01:48:56.439 --> 01:48:56.920
the waters.

1879
01:48:58.079 --> 01:49:00.319
Well, you know, and this also requires there is a

1880
01:49:00.319 --> 01:49:06.279
discerning spirit. And again, as God says, you know, you

1881
01:49:06.880 --> 01:49:09.039
have to know when to hate evil, and you have

1882
01:49:09.159 --> 01:49:12.840
to know when evil is right. But if you are

1883
01:49:13.000 --> 01:49:16.279
not a student and you're not discerning of what good is,

1884
01:49:16.960 --> 01:49:20.279
you know, and everything's homogenized. Because that's what's happened in

1885
01:49:20.399 --> 01:49:23.800
the recent decades, Paul, is that everything you know, it's

1886
01:49:23.840 --> 01:49:26.960
your truth, my truth, everybody's truth, you know, kumbai ya,

1887
01:49:27.560 --> 01:49:30.640
and everything got kind of you know, gray and hazy,

1888
01:49:31.319 --> 01:49:35.600
and it really had an impact on our level of discernment.

1889
01:49:36.000 --> 01:49:38.960
And right now, as we get closer and closer to

1890
01:49:39.079 --> 01:49:43.359
the return of Jesus, we need to have more discernment

1891
01:49:43.520 --> 01:49:46.960
than ever lest even God's elect would be deceived.

1892
01:49:47.079 --> 01:49:48.199
Right, that's right.

1893
01:49:48.960 --> 01:49:51.720
The Daily Citizen, which is the focus on the family

1894
01:49:51.800 --> 01:49:54.600
publication that you were kind enough to mention at the beginning.

1895
01:49:54.680 --> 01:49:57.760
Our motto is to think critically and then live differently.

1896
01:49:58.359 --> 01:50:02.840
And living thinking critically doesn't mean criticize everything. It just

1897
01:50:02.960 --> 01:50:05.479
means to have that discerning spirit and to develop it

1898
01:50:05.600 --> 01:50:08.359
so that you're not blown about by trends or blown

1899
01:50:08.399 --> 01:50:12.520
about by something that's upsetting, but to look at things.

1900
01:50:12.560 --> 01:50:15.439
And I think we're not doing our kids any favors

1901
01:50:15.920 --> 01:50:18.159
if we shield them from some of the things going on,

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because we want to be able to cultivate that spirit

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of discernment. What an important I mean, it's not just

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important and culture, it's important in personal lives. I mean,

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if you can't. The biggest decision our kids are going

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to make, probably is beyond do they accept Jesus as

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their Lord and Savior, is going to be who they're

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going to marry. And you better be talking about that

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and praying about that. That's the single greatest decision again,

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beyond salvation, is who you're going to spend the rest

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of your life with. It takes discernment, It takes sometimes

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saying no to something that may short term seem like

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a good idea but not in the long run.

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Well, I want to talk to the dads out there,

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because the dads are the tip of the spear, and

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we are the ones that need to really up our

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game and to be discerning, have that critical mindset, and

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to walk with confidence. Because if our kids and our

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wives are seeing us Paul as confident and anchored in

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the word of God and God's and you know, and

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and the Gospel and the promises of God. Boy, that

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changes the whole landscape, doesn't it Everything.

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Kids are hungry for leadership and they look forward in

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their dad, and and what a shock and what a

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shame when you consider how broken families are. I mean that,

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if you want to know why there's so many problems,

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you look at the family. And if the family is broken,

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there's going to be problems. And there's no doubt about it.

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So yeah, challenge the fathers. If you're a single dad,

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you can have an influence and you can make a difference.

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If you are a you know, thinking about getting a divorce,

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think long and hard and work to restore that marriage

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because that's the single greatest thing and the biggest gift

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you can give your kids a staying married to their mom.

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Exactly. Paul Batura, he's a corporate spokesperson for the Ministry

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Focus on the Family, responsible for media relations and editor

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in chief of The Daily Citizen, Paul, how can people

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be in touch?

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Just focus on the Family. Dot com bill is our

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main site and from there you can jump off into

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a variety of different ministries. Thanks for your partnership. We

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love your show and we appreciate you well.

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Thank you, Paul. Merry Christmas, Merry Christmas.

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Thank you.

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