Dec. 8, 2025

The Bill Martinez Show 12 08 25

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Yeah, Okay, let's do it.

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Ill Martinez Live a program about current events, our culture,

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our values, our politics, and our future.

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And now Bill Martinez.

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Well, good morning America. Six minutes after the top of

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the r Right now, I'm Bill Martinez. Is doctor John Lott. Hey, John,

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how are you doing great?

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Are you so?

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Hey?

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I'm doing terrific. John, of course, is president of the

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Crime Prevention Research Center, author of Gun Control miss This

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story that you sent me, John, I think is quite interesting.

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Here.

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You've got an employee who has to make a choice

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between her life or her job.

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Right, yeah, No, you have this twenty five year old

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woman who is working the night shift at a seven

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to eleven in Oklahoma City and man comes, customer comes in,

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gives her one hundred dollars bill. It's obvious to her

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that it's a counterfeit bill, so she refused to accept it.

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He starts throwing things at her and says that he's

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going to cut off her head. She tries to call

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the police, and while she's trying to call the police,

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the guy grabs her and starts choking her. And only

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at that point does she pull out her concealed handgun

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and fatally shoot the attacker. This is somebody who had

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fell in the arrest warrants actively out for him. I

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had a long list criminal history, and you know, it's

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pretty clear she wouldn't be alive today if she didn't

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have the gun, and she had three young kids at

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home that she basically was saying that that was going

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through her mind, that she had to stay alive to

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be able to go and come back to her kids.

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You know, John, that seems to be more of the

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American story. Is you get innocence like this young woman

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twenty five years old, three kids, she's working, you know,

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to provide for her family, and then you get this

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guy who's got a track record and a list of

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I think felonies and misdemeanors and armed length long and

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he's gonna take her out. And I mean, it just

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seems like a bad exchange when it comes down to

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the quality of an individual. You know, you got a

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young mom working hard to provide for family, working, you know,

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the toughest shift you can work at a seven eleven.

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What was she doing the night shift?

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What she's doing the night Yeah, from eleven to seven am.

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Yeah. I mean, boy, talk about putting yourself in harm's way.

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But then of course her company seven to eleven says

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you're not allowed to use a gun, only use what

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you have available there in the store. So if you've

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got a box of twinkies, I guess maybe you can

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fend off a felon with a box of twinkies or whatever.

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And the other thing is is to this idea of

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being passive, How does passivity work, John in your studies?

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Right? Well, I mean that's basically the claim that seven

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eleven and some other places use. They say that the

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employee will be safest if they just comply and do

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not resist the criminal attacker. There the problem is, it's

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really statistical malpractice where that claim comes from. If you

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compare passive behavior to all forms of active resistance lump together,

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it's true the passive behavior is slightly safer, But the

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problem is is that there's many types of active resistance

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which are much more dangerous than passive behavior, particularly for women,

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and by far the safest course of action is to

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have a gun. And so when you lump all those

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things together, you miss those differences. And so, for example,

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for a woman, you're almost always talking about a male

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criminal doing the attack, so on average, they're going to

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be bigger and stronger. The most dangerous course of action

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for women to take if she's confronted by criminals to

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use her fists, because that will result in a physical

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response back from the attacker. The second most dangerous course

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of action for women to take is to run away. Now, obviously,

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if she can run away and escape, that's great, but

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women tend to be significantly slower runners than men are,

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and then the process of being tackled and subdued there

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can be serious injuries that occur to the woman. And

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then you have other things like using a baseball bat

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or a knife. The problem is is that those require

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that the woman has to be in close proproximity to

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the male attacker, and she's very likely to lose control

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of the situation if she has to get into an

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actual physical confrontation. If you ever take a concealed carry class,

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the benefit is they're going to tell you, look, you're

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not the police. Your job isn't to go and arrest

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the person. The benefit that you get from having a

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gun is to keep the criminal physically away from you,

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so you don't have to get into physical contact with them,

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and so what you find is that women who behave

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passively are about two point five times more likely to

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end up being seriously injured than a woman who has

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a gun. And you know it's better for men too,

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But when you're talking about a male criminal attacking a man,

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the strength difference there on average is smaller than when

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a man is attacking a woman, and the presence of

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a gun represents a benefit for both, but particularly large

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for a woman.

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Well, in the case of a woman who has a gun,

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or anybody who has a weapon to defend themselves, then

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you're at a critical moment that is being measured in

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seconds there, and that is do I pull the trigger?

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Has the perpetrator seen the gun and backed off enough

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to where I can have distance and move away and

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you know, get away from the threat or minimize the

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threat in any event, or do I need to pull

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the trigger? And that's something that has to be decided

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in seconds, doesn't it. Yeah?

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Sure, you know this woman had tried to call the police.

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She wasn't successful in doing that. But if she had

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called the police, you know, fast response time could be

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six minutes, you know, it could be eight minutes, could

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be more. And you know, as you're saying with regard

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to seconds, she may not have six minutes or eight minutes,

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you know, even under the best of circumstances for the

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police to be able to respond.

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Exactly.

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It's not like she can go to the criminal and say,

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could you please wait, you know, before you start strangling me,

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so that I have a chance to go and call

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the police.

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And and of course, obviously it looked like there was

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not a panic button available for her to to exercise

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at all. It seemed like in the story, right.

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Well, I don't know none was mentioned there, but even

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if there was, apparently she wasn't able to get a

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hold of it. And so you know many stores have

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panic buttons in them. But you know, her first response

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was to try to call the police, and the guy

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moved quickly enough that she wasn't able to do that.

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Right exactly. And what's her case? And now she's out

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of a job.

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Right right, Yeah, because she violated the company policy there,

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they fired her. And you know, so but as she said,

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she was just thinking about making sure that she was

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going to be able to get home to her kids

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because her kids depend on.

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Her, right well, and as is as you right, she

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served survived with wounds to her neck and her hands,

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and as you say, injuries could have been far worse.

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Oh yeah, sure. Well, I mean if she hadn't stopped

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them from strangling her, what can only imagine what the

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outcome would be.

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Yeah, and for two years she had worked that shift,

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the eleven p to seven am shift alone, John, I mean, wow,

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that I don't know how seven eleven you know, can

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get away with putting you know, their employees in that

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kind of danger.

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Well, the thing is, you know if a store, these

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stores have reputations for telling their employees to behave passively,

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you think that that just invites more of these types

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of crimes to occur because they know that this is

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a really relatively easy target for them. I mean, I

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was chief economist for the US Sentencing Commission in Washington.

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I must have read over a thousand trial transcripts, and

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you'd very frequently, have you know, one robber turned state's

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evidence against another robber, and the prosecutor would be saying

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asking him pretty much the same set of questions, you know,

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how did you pick this particular person to rob and

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the and the robber would go and say, well, you know,

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we talked about going after the drug dealer down the

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street because we know they have lots of money, but

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the drug dealer has lots of guns, and we decided

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not to go after them. And then we talked about

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maybe going after a cab driver because cab drivers usually

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have some money, but a lot of cab drivers have guns,

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so we said, you know, we don't want to do that.

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And then they saw some small woman walking alone at

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night across the parking lot and they said, you know,

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she looks like a really easy target. Let's go after her.

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And so, you know, criminals are like anybody else. If

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you make something easier, they're more likely to go and

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do that. And that's that's exactly what happened in these cases.

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And unfortunately, you know, it invites more crimes if the

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criminals think that they can get away with it.

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We're back with you, doctor John Watt, author of Gun

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Control miss and John, as you were saying, you served

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in the as a Senior Advisor for Research and Statistics

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in the Office of Justice Programs in the Office of

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Legal Policy in the US Department of Justice during twenty

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twenty and twenty twenty one. And I mean, the facts

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bear out the research and the common sense that has

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been right before us, but it just seems that people

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want to ignore it for whatever reason. I mean, you know,

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there is a reason that you have law and order,

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and you must have law and you must have order

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in order to maintain the law, right.

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Right. Look, I mean this isn't rocket science. If you

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want to reduce crime, you have to make it riskier

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for criminals crime. And you can do that with things

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like higher arrest rates, higher conviction rates, longer prison sentences.

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But you can also do it by allowing victims to

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be able to go and defend themselves. And unfortunately, you

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know a lot of people out there, a lot of Democrats.

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I mean, one can at least say they're consistent they

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don't want to make it risky for criminals. To make

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crime in terms of arrest rates or conviction rates or

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prison sentences. And they also don't want to make it

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risky for criminals to commit crime in terms of the

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victims being able to go and defend themselves. In this

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case in Oklahoma that we've been talking about, this individual,

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this robber was he had a felony arrest warrant out

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for him right now. He had a long criminal history

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that was there, so I mean, this wasn't his first

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time going and committing these types of crimes.

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Well, John, considering where we are right now with estimates

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of estimations of what twenty million illegal immigrants, we see

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what's happening. People are being murdered. It seems like every

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day you're reading these murder rates you know that involve

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illegal immigrants. I mean, America, it seems like we're at

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increasing levels of danger because of the massive amount of

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immigration that has come into our country.

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Well, look, during the four years of the Biden administration,

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we had the largest percentage increase in violent crime ever

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recorded since they started collecting those numbers. It went up

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by fifty nine percent. And to me, it's not, you know,

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a coincidence that we had that massive increase in violent

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crime at the same time, we had this massive, unprecedented

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increase in illegal immigrant that was coming into the country.

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This year murder rates and I believe it will show

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violent crime rates are going down dramatically. In fact, it

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looks like we're on track for the lowest murder rate

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ever recorded in the US. So and the thing is,

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you know, it's not too surprising to me, given the

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fact that they are deporting criminal, illegal aliens, so they're

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not here to commit crimes anymore. But it's more than that,

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because even though you aren't catching all the illegal criminals

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to go and deport them, the ones that are here

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don't want to get deported. And the way to keep

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from being deported is to keep off of the police's

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radar exactly because they know if they get arrested, they'll

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get turned over to Ice. And so what happens is

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is that they keep their heads down, they try not

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to go and commit crimes. And so it's both the

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ones that you're taking out of the country that aren't

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here to commit crimes, but also making it risky for

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the ones that you haven't caught yet to go and

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commit crimes. Both of those help and of course, there

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are other things that are going on. The FBI's arrests

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have increased by one hundred percent. They've doubled from what

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they were in twenty twenty four under the Biden administration.

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They have done that because they've moved federal law enforcement

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out of the DC area headquarters to places around the

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country where the crimes are occurring. Obviously, Trump has shown

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by putting in federal law enforcement and National Guards into

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d C, you can cut crime there. You have places

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like Judge Jane Piro, who's the acting who's the US

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attorney for or DC. Uh, you know, very dramatic change

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from the Biden administration.

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Uh.

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She's actually prosecuting these criminals and not letting him go.

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And you see that in other places across the country. So,

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you know, I think Trump is showing that if you

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make it risky for criminals to commit crime, you can

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reduce the amount of crime.

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Well, you know a lot of what we're seeing here,

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Like you said, John, it's not rocket science, it's it's

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common sense. I mean, we saw this happen in New

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York when New York put those six hundred plain clothes

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police officers, you know, on the streets, the guns were

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put away, and then as soon as Eric Adams came

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in and he took him off the street, then guess

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what happened? The guns came out of the closet and

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they said it.

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Was the I think it was the mayor before us.

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Was it de Blasio that did that? R? Okay?

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All right?

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But but I'm not sure that Eric Adams did much

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to bring the numbers in masks that were previously in

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terms of playing clothesmen on the street. Did he No?

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I mean, he's been somewhat better than Deblasio. He's done

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some things like allowing ICE to go into port individuals.

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Of course, Mandami is going to reverse that. He's going

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to make it so that they're going to be protected.

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You know, you look at these things and you see

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these Just a report that just came out, ICE has

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put detainers on over seven thousand criminals that are currently

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incarcerated in jails and prisons in New York and New

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York had already released almost seven thousand more earlier this year.

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But the seven thousand, one hundred and thirteen or whatever

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it is, that was about fourteen percent of all those

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who are incarcerated in jails and prisons in New York State.

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And the problem is is that that's according to different statistics,

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you have about three percent of the New York State

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population are illegal aliens, and so if you're talking about

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fourteen percent of those in prison in jails are illegals,

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that means they're overrepresented compared to their share of the

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population by like four times.

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Right, exactly, Yeah, yeah, So what is that telling us.

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It's telling us that the illegals commit crimes at high rates.

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Even though that there's some argument. They try to say, well,

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you know, compared to compared to Anglo Saxons, you know, no, but.

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I mean compared to Americans, they commit at high rates.

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What people do often with these things is they lump

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together legal and illegal immigrants. And the problem is legal

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immigrants actually do commit crimes at fairly low rates. Illegals

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committed at very high rates. But when you lump them together,

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you miss that difference. And there are others that rely

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on something called the American Community Survey, and I've written

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extensively on that. There are many problems with it. One

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of the problems is that it's self reporting. The individuals

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are asked, are you here illegally or not, and maybe

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some bias. People may not want to go and say yeah,

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I'm here illegally when they're asked in a survey question.

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I know, they try to go and do things like

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look to see whether the person's on welfare or not.

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But they're assume that if you're getting government welfare, then

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