Dec. 5, 2025
The Bill Martinez Show 12 05 25
The Bill Martinez Show 12 05 25
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Are you ready?
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Yeah, Okay, let's do it.
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Ill Martinez Live a program about current events, our culture,
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our values, our politics, and our future.
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And now Bill Martinez.
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Hey, good morning, six minutes after the top of the hour.
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Right now, Bill Martinez here along with Grover nor Quiz,
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the president of Americans for Tax Reform. Hey, Grover, good
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morning to you. Hey, good to be with you, Alta.
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It's exciting to be with you right now because we've
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got lots of great things to talk about. In terms
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of even what the President suggested the other day in
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the Press gaggle that maybe in the not too distance
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future you won't even have income tax to pay. What
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do you think about that?
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Well, let me start from the other end of that,
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because there is a move to get ready of income taxes,
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but it's at the state level where it's really taking effect.
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It's not just something one's thinking about. There are the
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eight states that have no income tax. We all know
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about Florida and Texas. How do they do it? Florida
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spends half times much as New York. They have more
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people in Florida, a couple million more people than New York,
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but they spend half as much. That's how come, you
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don't need an income tax because New York spends two
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hundred and thirty billion in the state and Florida about
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one hundred and fifteen half half as much as New
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York per person, So there's one hundred and fifteen billion
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they don't need to take. That's the income tax they
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don't have. It's not like they raised other taxes. It's
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that they don't have the additional taxes. So eight states
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have no income taxes. There are today twelve states where
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the Republican governor. It's all red states. Unfortunately, if those
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of you listening from loose states, we'll get there, but
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not yet. All the reds. Twelve of the governors have
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said we're going to zero, and the legislature agrees, and
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they've started the process. In five have actually passed the
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law that will automatically click them down to zero. As
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revenue comes in above a fixed amount, that money is
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not spent it taxes are cut that much, and so
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every time revenue comes up and it's above a certain level,
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then they permanently reduce the tax. In North Carolina for
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twelve years, they've been phasing down automatically every single year.
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They then moved to Iowa, and they went from a
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top rate of eight point six down to three point eight,
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ok at flat rate, and now they're going to zero.
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North Carolina is en route to two point four and
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then on to zero. Arizona's down to two and a
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half and they're going to zero. Mississippi has passed a
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law which will automatically take them to zero. So has Oklahoma,
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so as West Virginia, so has Kentucky, so as Indiana.
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That's kind of a weak one. I'm I'm not really
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sure I count Indiana yet. It'll take them fifty years
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to do it. The others are all doing it the
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next ten to fifteen years. So we are seeing many
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and there are another states that haven't yet started the process.
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But tell me the governor wants to do it or
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the head of the House wants to do it, but
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they don't have a united front yet. So we are
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seeing states, could we do that an income tax? Well,
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eight states don't have them. Why does the federal government
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need it? And now we're looking at again another twelve
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states to go with those eight that will also be
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at zero. So we are going to have increasingly good
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opportunities to look and say you know. Texas is a
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big state, they don't have an income tax, and I
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think we have real opportunities to do that at the
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federal level. It's not impossible. If we got control of
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spending and limited spending is that's what they're doing at
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the state level. We can phase it down with limited spending.
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I'm not interested in phasing out the income tax to
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just take it out of another pocket sales tax or
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tariffs or something like that. That doesn't reduce the size
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of government or the cost of government to you or
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me or anybody else. It just shifts it. That's not here,
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it's over here. Yes, some taxes are more destructive than others,
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that's true. That said, all spending is in some way
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destructive because you've taken it from the private sector and
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put it into the less productive federally in the government.
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So the presence onto something. It's actually happening at the
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state level, and we should be when we say let's
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reduce spending, we should also be saying we should reduce
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spending because we want to face the income tax down
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to zero. That gives people. Well, but when you don't
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spend money, you know it costs somebody something. But we're
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all going to reduce the income tax the same okay
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that people will buy. Let's let people keep their own money,
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don't take it and spend it. So, yes, we should
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face the income tax down to zero. We're seeing it
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at the state level. But it doesn't help to just
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move it to something else. We need to reduce by it.
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Well, Grover, two things come to mind. Number one is
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the governor seemed to be budget conscious, right, so this
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is determining saying, Okay, this is the kind of government
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that we can afford, so let's do this. And it's
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not unrealistic. I mean, it's it's you know, decades of
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experience saying this is what it takes to opreak the state,
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all right. And so that in a sense is kind
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of self contributing and controlling in terms of some fraud
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and waste and other issues that they've gotten involved with
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and realized, Okay, we need to clean these things up
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and be accountable and so and by doing that, boy,
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it's a big win for these eight states now that
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are not paying zaxes. And it's also a reminder to
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the other states that are lagging that hey, look at
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if they can do it, why aren't you right, And
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so it's up to the constituencies to speak out and
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do something about it. But you know, speaking of fraud,
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I mean, of course everybody's been talking about what's going
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on in Minneapolis, and I think that this might be
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the canary and the gold mine here in the coal
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mine growers that people are saying, wait a minute, if
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this has happened and it was covid era, and you
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even have elon Omar admitting that, hey, they moved too
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fast and the guardrails were ignored, and you know, made
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some excuse. But the fact of the matter is it
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really indicted the system. And I think it brings Doge
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back into the conversation.
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What do you think?
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Yes, And in all fairness, Somali immigrants are not the
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most sophisticated guys in town, so you can imagine what
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people in New York are doing to steal money. The
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same way is this is this is not just an
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issue in Minnesota or with Somali immigrants. This is we're
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going to find this increasingly. And even when the US
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government takes a look at Medicare Medicaid, they suggest about
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twenty percent fraud and so and when does started poking
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and saying, could we like the list of maybe a
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live citizens to see whether the checks that are going
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out are going to citizens a live ones and they
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only get one each, not three or four. Each of
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those are different ways. You can end up with misspending,
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with fraud and twenty percent reduction in the cost of
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the welfare state would be huge and allow you to
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cut taxes for everyone to create work growth. And we
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need to be working on that is it.
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Is so important.
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The only way to get the income tax down and
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the zero is to take our welfare system and move
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it to the state level. Because when the federal government's
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writing checks, they don't care. And when the federal government's
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writing checks, the governor doesn't care because not his money.
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He is right, the Fed stall and now the Feds
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are going to throw it away. Okay, what does he here?
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But if the federal government said we're going to block
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grant out to all fifty states, here's what we gave
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you for welfare last year. Here's what you got. If
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you figure out fraud, then you can reduce your spending
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and keep the money. Okay, that's what we did with
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welfare reform under Clinton. For crying out loud for the
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Republicans three times voted to reform welfare and send it
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to the states, block granted out to the states, aid
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to families with dependent children, and twice Clinton vetoed it,
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being the good left wing Democrat he was. But the
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third time, mister Morris, Dick Morris, who was his political advisory,
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said you vitael welfare reform, you lose the next election.
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And Bill Clinton cares deeply about poor people. He said,
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got they're gone, and I'm going to say my election.
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And when they block granted it, they reduce spending by
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thirty percent by finding fraud, waste, people getting jobs. When
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you tell people on welfare there's going to be welfare
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a lot of people who hadn't been going looking for
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They last right exactly. It's amazing how it cures itself.
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