Dec. 4, 2025

The Bill Martinez Show 12 04 25

The Bill Martinez Show 12 04 25
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The Bill Martinez Show 12 04 25
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Are you ready, Yeah, Okay, let's do it.

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Ill Martinez Live a program about current events, our culture,

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our values, our politics, and our future. And now Bill Martinez,

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Good morning America.

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Bill Martinez here just about six minutes after the top

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of the hour, and whe us, it's our honor to

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have Louis Gohmert join us, the former congressman from of

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course the number one district in Texas by the way,

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because he is number one, and also a former attorney

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and a judge. Louis Gohmert, Welcome, Michelle. Good to have

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you with us.

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Good to be with you, Bill, Thank you well.

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I appreciate what you've written about in terms of arctic

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frost and the danger that this is done. I mean,

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there just seems to be such movements of sedition that

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have invaded our country and our constitution. I mean it's

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like where do you start. I mean, when you got six,

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you know, elected officials telling our military that they don't

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need to obey an unlawful order, I mean we're in

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trouble here.

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Yeah.

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Well, the Arctic Cross, I mean that cannot be underestimated

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undersold as to just how serious that was. Yes, when

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you have six people that are encouraging members of the

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military to commit a military crime.

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That is.

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Extremely serious. But it's right out of the Marxist playbook.

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David Horowitz, we lost him earlier this year. I'm a

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senior fellow with the Freedom the Horowitz Freedom Center, and

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David was a dear friend. And David had said, you know,

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back when he was a leading one of the top

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feudal communist leaders in America in the late sixties, he said,

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their motto back then is the same as now, and

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it is among the leaders. The morons don't know, but

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among the leaders, their slogan is the worse, the better.

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The more chaos they could create, the better. And so

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a lot of these people they don't even know what

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they're playing into. But the more chaos they could create,

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the worse it gets, the closer they are to having

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a full takeover of what was once the greatest republic

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in the history of the world, the freest, greatest in

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the world's history, longest lasting republic in the history of

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the world, and they're playing into its demise. But you know,

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as a former felony judge are given instructions on what

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an accomplice was, and both under state law and under

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federal law, same thing. We don't recognize accomplices. We recognize

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people who are accomplices as principles. And the instruction from

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a judge to a jury is that someone who aids

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and a beds a princip and principle themselves. And the

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definition of aiding in a betting would include the word encourage.

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Perhaps that strikes accord. When you hear members of Congress

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or the Senate encouraging people to commit military crimes, they're

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encouraging the committing of a crime. This is serious stuff.

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But going back to arctic frost, we've never seen anything

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like this in our history. It just makes Watergate paling comparable.

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Without a doubt.

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That was, you know, a bungled burglary, but the big

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cover up that was a big problem there. But here

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you have the FBI and the DOJ going after hundreds

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of Republicans, members of Congress, members of the Senate's phone records.

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They're going after inspiring on the people that have oversight

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over them. And when we do that, it completely eliminates

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the ability to have oversight.

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And I know.

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Back in six when William Jefferson, who was completely guilty

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of the crime, he had selling off favors from his office.

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They absolutely had probable costs to search his home, got

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a warrant to do so, totally appropriate, found ninet dollars

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of cold hard cash and his freezer. Then they got

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a warrant and appropriate probable cause there to search as

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his office. But in the whole history of the Congress,

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because of the separation of powers, because of the Congression

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of because of the constitutional congressional privilege that prevents the

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executive branch the DOJ from coming in and taking things

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that allowed them to basically find out who's whistle blowing.

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On the FBI and on the DOJ, there's a privilege there.

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They don't get to do that. So the whole history

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of the country, they would come in and they would

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present the warrant to House Counsel independent and the House

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counsel would go in and grab everything out of that

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congressman's office and they would go through it and they

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would pull aside things that were privileged, things that were

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from whistleblowers, because the DJ has no right to know

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who the whistleblowers are, that exactly, and that way you

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keep the checks and balances going. But Muller was Director

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of the FBI, and he wanted He knew the law,

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he knew separation of powers, and he didn't care, and

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he was wanting to shove it down Congress's throat. So

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he just came in in the middle of the night.

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He took everything and he told a foolish federal judge

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in Washington, Oh, but we'll go through everything at the

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DOJ and we'll give back what's privileged. And the federal

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judge okay, but the DC Circuit said, no, you can't

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do that. Exactly her party go through that stuff and

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then give you what's allowed. And the Supreme Court they

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build that in the spring.

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Court said no, you can't do it.

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We're not going to touch the DC Circuit's opinion. So

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that's the law. And then along comes Christopher Ray and

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Merrick Garland and they say, and Jack Frost Smith and

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they don't care. They are wanting to finally bring down

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all Republicans in the two party system. And that's Bill

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made no mistake. That's what this was. This was jetting

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down the two party system and bringing us in to

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a new Marxist era. If they've been successful.

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Yeah, this was the continuation of the mission that Barack

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Obama announced when he talked about the fundamental transformation of

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our country, and people wonder, they go, well, that's odd.

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I mean, a lot of people applauded, you know, and

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they wait a minute, stop for a minute, what did

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he mean by that? And of course now we're starting

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to see the fruit of the tree that he planted there. Right, Yep,

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you're exactly right.

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That's exactly what was going on. But it was taking

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it to an that most of us couldn't believe that

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they were willing to go. I mean, Merrick Garland, can

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you imagine a guy like that on the Supreme Court?

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Just incredible how far they were willing to go to

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shred the Constitution. And so that the thing is, though, Bill,

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you have had weak need, you know, slack jaw Republicans

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who were willing to talk a good game. But we

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have not held anybody accountable.

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Exactly, that's no.

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Not the eighteen years I was in Congress, the years

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we were in the majority. You know, some of us

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were going, we got to hold these people accountable. And

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we held Lois Larner accountable because she got put on

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paid leave for about a year. We leave a paid

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vacation that was who we held accountable.

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Yeah, and now what does she get a quarter of

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a million in retirement?

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Right?

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Just outrageous.

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Anyway, real quick conc show. We got to go to

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a quick break. We'll pick it up on the other side.

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Welcome back, Bill Martinez here with the former Congressman Louie Gomert, Congressman.

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Before we go on and pick up from where we're at,

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you've been out of Congress for a couple of years now,

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and you're looking through the rearview mirror and also through

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the windshield of what's happening in our government today. What's

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your assessment of where America is and what we need

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to do, because, as you were suggesting, Republicans and the

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sentiment amongst we the people is that we still want

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to play nice and we don't understand that we're in

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the middle of a war here, and what's hanging in

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the balance is this democratic republic.

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Yeah, well, people have got to go to prison for

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the wrongdoing. And I tell you, having been a former

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criminal judge, felany judge at the Steglo, I was shocked

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when I found out, you know, of course, the warrants

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that were gotten to spy on the Trump campaign through

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Papadopolis and Carter.

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Payne, going back to twenty fifteen.

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Right, Yeah, but then we found out there was a

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lawyer with the d that lied in an Affidavid knowingly

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lied to help get the warrant, and the Vice of

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Judge when she found out was kind of whole hum

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and there really weren't much in the way consequences. Eventually

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they prosecuted, but only because a look and not much

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happened to him. But I'm telling you, Bill, I was

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staggered that a federal judge, on finding that a lawyer

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with the DOJ lied to her under oath, should get

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a warrant to just found the president didn't go ballistic

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because she could have held him in contempt of court

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and put him in jail right then without a hearing

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for six months. That's what I would have done. I

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was staggered and she was like, you know, okay, well

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hold that told me we need to end the vice

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of courts. If they don't have more respect for the

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Constitution than that, that's an end. We got to know

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everything they're doing out in the open because this is

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a threat. These are chambers that's got to stop. And

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we've got to start going after the judges because they're

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not protecting the constitution, that's one thing. And we have

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got to do more house cleaning. At the DOJ we're

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not clean there yet, and at the FBI, we're not

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clean there yet. So all of these things have got

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to happen, and we've got to I know, there's a

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start with, you know, trying to get indictments against some

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of the former dj but people have got to be

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made held to account for what they've done because they've

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brought us to the brink of the end of our

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constitutional republic. If they're not made to pay, then it's

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just going to get worse when they're in power again.

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Well, because they just keep it, keeps repeating itself and

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getting worse and worse. Like you said here, we go

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from Watergate to where we are now, and it's like

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it makes Watergate look like nothing. And you know, we

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forced the president to resign because of Watergate. Here no

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consequence whatsoever, and they're doubling down.

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Why not.

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It just it gets worse and worse and more egregious.

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So yeah, there's got to be consequences. Are we're going

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to lose this thing and the next Democrat they will

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go ahead and finish off moving us into a full

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Marxist state. And uh, you know I've said a number

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of times the only thing Orwell got wrong was the year.

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It wasn't Likeeennity four. We're living through.

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It now, right.

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That's where they're trying to get us into that Orwellian state.

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They're spying on us. And of course, you know, we

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find found out from Grassley's investigators that Verizon had my

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name in there and they were getting days like they

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had some of the senators, but mont of my records,

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and Verizon, according to them, just said oh okay, well

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here's all Goners records, and AT and T and others

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were going, well, we're not sure that this is a

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valid thing here. This is just a subpoena there's no warrant,

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there's no probable cause, and they pushed back on it,

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thank goodness.

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But anyway, yeah, but what does that say about Verizon

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though Congress?

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It raises serious questions. And I've had Verizon for many, many,

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many years, and that's about to change.

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Right, you know, I hear you. So where are we

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I mean in this situation. I mean, this is supposed

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to be a government up for by we the people,

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and so we the people need to really stand up.

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And not that we expect, you know, a thousand percent agreement,

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because our country didn't start, you know, with one thousand

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percent agreement. It was only about ten percent of the

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constituents that banded together. But we need brave men and

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women to take a stand, you know, not only for themselves,

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but for their kids and their grandkids.

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Yep. Well, but that's just it. If we could get

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ten percent of American adults to just bombard their members

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of Congress and Senate saying you have got to go

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after these people. You've got to hold the judges accountable,

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you've got to hold the DOJ accountable, and just light

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up their switchboards with phone calls, light them up with

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emails that will make a difference. It still makes a

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difference when members of Congress and the Senate just get

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bombarded with phone calls and emails, and especially if people

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are really hated up over the issue and they.

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Is it conceivable, Congressman, that we could do an operation

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warp speed to clean this mess up? Because time is

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a wasting I mean, here we are, We've got one

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year down, three years left with the President and Trump

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and the midterms hanging in the balance. Here, God forbid

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the Democrats get the gavel. If they do, then forget it.

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You know, the rest of the two years of the present.

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Is going to be new to her, to another impeachment.

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Yes, exactly. So, I mean there is there enough spine

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there in Congress.

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I like Mike Johnson, I have a lot of hope

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for him, but he needs he needs reinforcements, just like

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Donald Trump needs reinforcements.

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Right, Yes, absolutely, And the only way to get that

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is if enough people are are lighting up the switchboards

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and hitting with emails and letting their members of Congress

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know you have got to do something. We have let

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this stuff go on much too long. It's time to

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quit talking about it and quit having little hearings where

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you get soundbites and you don't do anything. It's time

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to actually do something and hold these people accountable. You

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push and you get them, You get them into the

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doj where they are held accountable with criminal actions. And

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that's where it's got to go.

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As a former congressman, you know what happens when you

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get when the switchboard is lit up and you're getting emails, right,

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and sometimes the constituency doesn't quite comprehend the power of

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an email or a phone call, right.

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That's right, that's right. And uh, it makes a difference.

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And when we finally would get people so upset that

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they would really bombard their members of Congress, only then

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would we stop bad legislation or get some good legislation done.

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But it takes that kind of work from members of

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the public really.

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So so when you go when you go to the floor,

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for example, and you and your switchboards lit up and

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you've got two hundred phone calls, you're going to the

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floor and saying this is just a sample of the

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response of my constituent and everybody else, you know, I mean,

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they're not going to have two hundred phone calls. Maybe

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they got five or ten, So two hundred really says

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a lot.

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For example, right, yeah, but there were times where, you know,

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under really tough circumstances, they get a thousand yes, and

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really what Sometimes they go to the floor and say,

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you know, my constituents are really upset about that. But

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what more often happened is they would go to the

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speaker and say, look, I've been a team player and

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I've been holding back like you said, but I can't

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hold back anymore. We have got to do something. And

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when you have enough members of Congress coming to the

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speaker and saying, look, I can't keep my seat if

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we don't do something, then that's when something gets done.

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Right.

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That's really the key. It's one thing to go on

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the floor and say, here's what all my constituents are saying,

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more soundbites. They go to the speaker and say, Mike,

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we got to do something. My people are so mad

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at me. I'm going to lose my seat if we

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don't do something, and you have enough of those go

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to the speaker.

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It makes a difference.

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That's when it makes a difference exactly.

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Congressman Louis Gohmert has been our guest Congressman as we

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wrap things up, the people want to hear hope. Give

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them some hope, would you please?

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Well, what we just were talking about is the hope. Now,

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being a Christian, I always have hope. Yes, remember you

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know the comment our hope will not arrive on Air

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Force one. But uh, but people have hope. But we

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have a system of government where we are the people

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that make things happen. But if you just sit back

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and say, well there's nothing to be done, well we've

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lost already. But Sally, real time, we have been given

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a reprieve when President Trump won. If he had lost,

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then I would say, now there's really not much hope.

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We you know this, we would not know about Arctic frost.

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This would that would not have resulted in anything happening.

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But we have been given a reprieve. We've been given

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another chance, Bill, and we have got to take advantage

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of it. This is our chance, and people have got

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to respond. It's not enough that we got President Trump

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or re elected. It's got to be everybody take advantage.

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Let's get out there, let your congress members, your senators

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know they got to do something with this opportunity. We

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may not have two more years after this. We have

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got to do something this next year. It's critical.

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Yeah, right now. It is a sense of immediacy that

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must be that we must focus on. He's a former

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congressman currently Senior Fellow for Political Statesmanship with the David

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Horowitz Freedom Center. Louis Gohmert has been our guest congressman.

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Is always an honor great to have you with us.

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Take care, God bless thank you, God, bless you.

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Bill.

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Hey, good morning America, Bill Martinez here, Good to have

480
00:29:12.640 --> 00:29:15.279
you with us. Also, good to have doctor Wilfrid Riley,

481
00:29:15.680 --> 00:29:18.000
the college professor joining us.

482
00:29:18.039 --> 00:29:18.160
Now.

483
00:29:18.279 --> 00:29:18.920
Hey, well, how you.

484
00:29:18.920 --> 00:29:20.519
Doing doing well?

485
00:29:20.599 --> 00:29:22.319
Doing well? Good to be on the show. Well.

486
00:29:22.440 --> 00:29:26.319
Always good to have your input here, especially as immigration

487
00:29:26.599 --> 00:29:29.599
is really in the crosshairs right now with the shooting

488
00:29:29.680 --> 00:29:32.680
in DC right before Thanksgiving, the murder of that young

489
00:29:32.799 --> 00:29:35.200
girl who had only been in the National Guard for

490
00:29:35.319 --> 00:29:41.920
what two years, and she is ambushed by this Afghan

491
00:29:43.319 --> 00:29:48.119
migrant who was here as part of the you know

492
00:29:48.279 --> 00:29:53.519
campaign of Biden, you know, of supporting allies supposedly, and

493
00:29:54.559 --> 00:29:59.559
of course Jen Pesaki and others have insisted that everybody

494
00:29:59.599 --> 00:30:04.200
that came here from Afghanistan, almost two hundred thousand people

495
00:30:04.279 --> 00:30:08.079
were all vetted and that doesn't seem to be the

496
00:30:08.160 --> 00:30:10.119
case at all. I mean, somebody's lying here.

497
00:30:11.559 --> 00:30:14.319
Yeah, I mean you can't really vet people from Afghanistan.

498
00:30:14.519 --> 00:30:18.119
I'm a political science professor obviously business consultant by background,

499
00:30:18.119 --> 00:30:20.400
and this is something that's known when you talk to

500
00:30:20.480 --> 00:30:22.720
anyone that's worked with that population. I mean, my good

501
00:30:22.759 --> 00:30:25.200
buddy Brooks Crenshaw, who I think I've mentioned on the

502
00:30:25.240 --> 00:30:28.160
show before as a former special Specops guy, who was

503
00:30:28.200 --> 00:30:31.680
the intel guy with one of the sealed teams in Afghanistan,

504
00:30:31.799 --> 00:30:34.119
kind of tip of the spear, and I mean our

505
00:30:34.200 --> 00:30:37.839
Afghan allies often were kind of good men who fought hard.

506
00:30:38.079 --> 00:30:40.759
They often, at the same time were hardened mercenary soldiers

507
00:30:40.799 --> 00:30:43.119
that just hadn't want to decide with the Taliban. But

508
00:30:43.200 --> 00:30:45.799
there's not really the type of identification that we have

509
00:30:46.079 --> 00:30:49.039
in the USA. I mean, the equivalent of an ID

510
00:30:49.200 --> 00:30:50.920
card would be a piece of paper with kind of

511
00:30:50.920 --> 00:30:53.440
a crudely drawn sketch. Maybe they would say who you

512
00:30:53.519 --> 00:30:56.480
were by name. And I don't really see any reason

513
00:30:56.519 --> 00:30:57.920
if you were going to stay behind and fight to

514
00:30:58.000 --> 00:30:59.720
the last, you couldn't give that to a buddy, and

515
00:30:59.759 --> 00:31:02.839
then you your buddy would be vetted as an Afghan

516
00:31:02.960 --> 00:31:04.880
ally of the United States, if that makes sense when

517
00:31:04.880 --> 00:31:08.359
he comes through processing. And also if you're leaving, like

518
00:31:08.480 --> 00:31:10.640
your wife is leaving with you, you're a muslim man.

519
00:31:10.720 --> 00:31:12.079
So they didn't generally get up to four, but you

520
00:31:12.119 --> 00:31:14.559
could have two wives, you could have a certain number

521
00:31:14.599 --> 00:31:17.880
of kids. Like all of these people would be coming

522
00:31:17.880 --> 00:31:20.519
into the United States and the vetting is well, the

523
00:31:20.680 --> 00:31:23.200
husband was a good, funny guy when he fought with

524
00:31:23.359 --> 00:31:26.319
us four years ago. And again that's assuming that that's

525
00:31:26.799 --> 00:31:29.000
the right guy. So I don't really think there's any

526
00:31:29.480 --> 00:31:32.640
We're not doing DNA tests here or like scans of

527
00:31:33.200 --> 00:31:35.279
criminal I mean, there's no criminal history. You have a

528
00:31:35.319 --> 00:31:37.200
fight with a knife and it's a consent to fight.

529
00:31:37.319 --> 00:31:41.680
That's not a crime in highland Afghanistan. So we're getting

530
00:31:41.680 --> 00:31:43.359
a lot of people. Some of them will probably go

531
00:31:43.440 --> 00:31:46.640
on to join police and security forces and become beloved citizens,

532
00:31:47.039 --> 00:31:50.200
but other people who probably have the equivalent of untreated PTSD,

533
00:31:50.440 --> 00:31:52.359
and they're coming from a way to think of it

534
00:31:52.519 --> 00:31:56.240
might be a medieval culture. It's not like the barbarism

535
00:31:56.359 --> 00:31:58.839
that you get in certain regions of Africa or the

536
00:31:59.160 --> 00:32:02.799
Inner Stand. But it's you have chiefs, and you have

537
00:32:03.039 --> 00:32:06.039
stone walled villages that have owned certain lands for certain

538
00:32:06.079 --> 00:32:09.759
periods of time, and women prior to the Taliban weren't

539
00:32:09.759 --> 00:32:12.640
necessarily miserable at this, but their primary social role is

540
00:32:12.759 --> 00:32:16.000
wife and you you're a farmer who fights during the

541
00:32:16.039 --> 00:32:17.680
war season every year. It's what we were doing in

542
00:32:17.839 --> 00:32:20.759
fourteen fifteen hundred. So when you get those people over

543
00:32:20.839 --> 00:32:22.279
and you for whatever reason, we're moving a lot of

544
00:32:22.279 --> 00:32:23.920
Afghans in the Las Vegas where I mean they have

545
00:32:24.359 --> 00:32:26.759
prostitutes coming up to the plane anning you cards. I mean,

546
00:32:26.799 --> 00:32:32.279
it's got to be just the weirdest transition, the biggest

547
00:32:32.359 --> 00:32:36.880
cultural shop. And I don't really think we do anything there.

548
00:32:36.920 --> 00:32:39.160
I mean, you can't last thing. But you can't be

549
00:32:39.319 --> 00:32:41.359
a fighting man in the US military if you've been

550
00:32:41.440 --> 00:32:43.480
in most other armies, and if you had a rank

551
00:32:43.519 --> 00:32:46.400
above private in any So you're taking these guys that

552
00:32:46.519 --> 00:32:50.079
were supply sergeants fighting with the USA and you're dropping

553
00:32:50.119 --> 00:32:53.000
them off here and they're working for door dash and

554
00:32:53.519 --> 00:32:55.799
anything that's going on in the head. There's nothing treating that.

555
00:32:55.880 --> 00:32:57.880
So we don't actually know what prompted this guy.

556
00:32:57.799 --> 00:32:58.400
To do what he did.

557
00:32:58.480 --> 00:32:59.720
He apparently snapped in.

558
00:32:59.720 --> 00:33:03.839
With, yeah, well, they're saying that he was radicalized here

559
00:33:04.000 --> 00:33:06.599
in the United States. Well, but like you said, to

560
00:33:06.640 --> 00:33:10.319
your point, he's bringing, you know, to the United States

561
00:33:10.759 --> 00:33:15.920
his Afghan culture. And he wasn't meeting with the people

562
00:33:16.119 --> 00:33:19.160
that he was supposed to meet with regularly, even like

563
00:33:19.319 --> 00:33:22.079
once a year, just to do kind of a hey,

564
00:33:22.160 --> 00:33:25.599
let's check see how you're doing everything. And supposedly he

565
00:33:25.680 --> 00:33:27.680
didn't have a job. Well, how can you have somebody

566
00:33:27.720 --> 00:33:29.200
here in the country without a job.

567
00:33:31.200 --> 00:33:35.240
Yeah, I mean the entire idea of admitting a male

568
00:33:35.799 --> 00:33:39.200
fighting age immigrant and letting them not work and paying

569
00:33:39.240 --> 00:33:41.839
them not to work is crazy. And that's something that's

570
00:33:41.880 --> 00:33:45.160
only even been theoretically possible since nineteen sixty five. I mean,

571
00:33:45.240 --> 00:33:47.640
one of the things people always say. I mean, a

572
00:33:47.680 --> 00:33:50.799
lot of my buddies in Chicago or Irish, Italian, Mexican,

573
00:33:50.920 --> 00:33:53.839
West Indian for the black guys, and it's always lean

574
00:33:53.920 --> 00:33:57.720
our ancestors came here, Yes, but in like nineteen ten,

575
00:33:57.920 --> 00:34:00.880
if you come here from Italy, there's no safety net,

576
00:34:01.240 --> 00:34:03.200
like you either you have to work or you get

577
00:34:03.240 --> 00:34:05.680
back on the boat. And so I think a lot

578
00:34:05.720 --> 00:34:08.159
of people don't understand is even coming from Mexico in

579
00:34:08.239 --> 00:34:11.599
this time period, travel took a while. You're a working

580
00:34:11.639 --> 00:34:14.880
class man. You have a horse, you know, so you're

581
00:34:15.000 --> 00:34:18.840
you're going for days across Ladronada del Mawerte in the

582
00:34:18.880 --> 00:34:21.840
easiest case, but mostly across the Atlantic Ocean. And if

583
00:34:21.880 --> 00:34:24.239
you get here, you're prepared, you have your tools, you

584
00:34:24.280 --> 00:34:26.159
have your trade, you're gonna do your best. And even

585
00:34:26.239 --> 00:34:29.159
then a third of those people went back home like

586
00:34:29.280 --> 00:34:32.280
they saved up enough money to get back on steerage

587
00:34:32.400 --> 00:34:34.679
in another boat where you had about a one to

588
00:34:34.760 --> 00:34:38.280
ten chance of dying and cross the ocean again because

589
00:34:38.280 --> 00:34:41.079
they were doing so badly in the USA. So today, yes,

590
00:34:41.199 --> 00:34:44.559
you're going into an environment where there's an established welfare system,

591
00:34:44.679 --> 00:34:48.159
safety net, there's going to be a job provided. And

592
00:34:48.519 --> 00:34:50.599
again the question is there's almost a flip. Are we

593
00:34:50.679 --> 00:34:52.559
doing too much or are we doing too little? We're

594
00:34:52.599 --> 00:34:55.199
doing way too much. If what we want are productive

595
00:34:55.599 --> 00:34:58.440
citizens who will definitely come here and compete. If we're

596
00:34:58.440 --> 00:35:01.719
going to take everybody, we're asking for a lot of

597
00:35:01.760 --> 00:35:04.360
problems because there still are things like mental health services

598
00:35:04.440 --> 00:35:06.480
that we're never going to be able to provide for everyone.

599
00:35:07.039 --> 00:35:10.440
So You can't just take a million people from Somalia

600
00:35:11.079 --> 00:35:13.360
and drop them off in Minneapolis, and that seems to

601
00:35:13.440 --> 00:35:16.159
be what we're trying to do, and that's going to

602
00:35:16.280 --> 00:35:18.440
cause all kinds of issues. To do that, you have

603
00:35:18.480 --> 00:35:21.159
to have brutal assimilation. You have to have a population

604
00:35:21.239 --> 00:35:23.480
that wants the immigrants. Like everyone ranked about the Irish,

605
00:35:23.519 --> 00:35:26.280
we had plenty of jobs, people wanted more hands to

606
00:35:26.400 --> 00:35:30.239
do them. You know, you have to have a whole

607
00:35:30.719 --> 00:35:33.480
sequence of things. There has to be a limited welfare state.

608
00:35:33.639 --> 00:35:36.679
We can simply set the bar that immigrants don't receive

609
00:35:36.760 --> 00:35:39.280
most forms of welfare for the first generation, but there

610
00:35:39.360 --> 00:35:41.920
has to be an entire process ready to get you

611
00:35:42.159 --> 00:35:45.159
ready to succeed in this new society. There should be

612
00:35:45.239 --> 00:35:48.519
classes on English food, everything, and we don't. We don't

613
00:35:48.559 --> 00:35:48.800
do that.

614
00:35:49.800 --> 00:35:50.000
Well.

615
00:35:50.760 --> 00:35:54.039
My old friend, the historian Bruce Thatcher, who's written several

616
00:35:54.119 --> 00:35:58.800
books on immigration, reminded us that look, we have a

617
00:36:00.159 --> 00:36:04.440
legal immigration program that they busted up on purpose because

618
00:36:05.000 --> 00:36:08.519
you know, it allowed for a million immigrants to come

619
00:36:08.599 --> 00:36:13.199
in legally and they were sponsored by family members, so

620
00:36:13.360 --> 00:36:19.400
they weren't a liability to the citizenry. They weren't mooching

621
00:36:19.639 --> 00:36:25.159
off the services, whether it was education services or health

622
00:36:25.239 --> 00:36:29.159
services or anything. They were sponsored by family members. Somehow

623
00:36:29.280 --> 00:36:33.559
that's inconvenient and that's not enough. So let's add another

624
00:36:33.679 --> 00:36:36.280
million or so people coming in, and then, of course,

625
00:36:36.320 --> 00:36:39.079
on top of it some special visa stuff for you know,

626
00:36:39.199 --> 00:36:42.360
business reasons. And I get some of that. I get

627
00:36:42.440 --> 00:36:45.679
some of it, but it's just it's too massive, as

628
00:36:45.760 --> 00:36:49.559
you said, will for people to logistically manage and to

629
00:36:50.119 --> 00:36:52.199
supervise this kind of incoming.

630
00:36:53.920 --> 00:36:56.519
Yeah, I think that there were something that has to

631
00:36:56.559 --> 00:36:58.039
be understood is that they're too man. I think you

632
00:36:58.079 --> 00:37:00.920
do understand this, but they're two perspective is on migration,

633
00:37:01.159 --> 00:37:03.400
and my perspective, which I think is the standard, is

634
00:37:03.480 --> 00:37:08.360
that migration should benefit the recipient country. That's really the

635
00:37:08.480 --> 00:37:10.800
only thing we should be considering. Like when we look

636
00:37:10.800 --> 00:37:13.599
at someone who's coming into the country, the question is

637
00:37:13.840 --> 00:37:16.519
is this person going to improve the United States?

638
00:37:16.800 --> 00:37:17.159
Exactly?

639
00:37:17.159 --> 00:37:20.039
But I actually am pretty I don't have the problem

640
00:37:20.119 --> 00:37:23.360
with H one B visus assuming everything's done legally, assuming

641
00:37:23.360 --> 00:37:24.880
there's no cheating, and there's a problem with that in

642
00:37:25.000 --> 00:37:27.280
India and Nigeria. But just if you're just a guy,

643
00:37:27.360 --> 00:37:30.199
you're my neighbor who's from Ghana, who's a tech guy

644
00:37:30.519 --> 00:37:31.840
and you come over in an H one B. I

645
00:37:31.880 --> 00:37:34.679
really don't have much issue with that, because you are

646
00:37:34.840 --> 00:37:37.360
some kind of white collar guy who has a job

647
00:37:37.559 --> 00:37:39.199
set who can be let go in a year if

648
00:37:39.199 --> 00:37:40.159
you don't work that job, so.

649
00:37:40.239 --> 00:37:41.039
On, so on, so on.

650
00:37:43.280 --> 00:37:45.519
The and I think that they're the issue. There is

651
00:37:45.840 --> 00:37:49.840
more people not wanting competition, which is kind of fair

652
00:37:49.960 --> 00:37:53.239
from citizens. But there aren't gangs of computer scientists running

653
00:37:53.239 --> 00:37:56.559
around at assaulting people in the streets of Rochester. I mean,

654
00:37:56.920 --> 00:38:00.280
so that's okay. The other view on immigration, though, is

655
00:38:00.400 --> 00:38:04.039
that immigration should be structured to benefit the immigrants or

656
00:38:04.119 --> 00:38:06.599
the world. And this is where you get some of

657
00:38:06.679 --> 00:38:10.639
the weird stuff. A lot of leftists seem to feel

658
00:38:10.880 --> 00:38:14.920
almost that the more useless someone is, the more entitled

659
00:38:14.960 --> 00:38:17.440
they are to a slot in America because that will

660
00:38:17.559 --> 00:38:21.880
save them from penury and death overseas. And an example

661
00:38:21.960 --> 00:38:23.840
of this would be that you can apply for refugee

662
00:38:23.880 --> 00:38:26.400
status if you have full blown AIDS. I don't know

663
00:38:26.440 --> 00:38:29.360
if Trump got rid of this. Yeah, I researched that

664
00:38:29.480 --> 00:38:31.159
in for the book Taboo. I heard it at a

665
00:38:31.440 --> 00:38:33.639
Kentucky Republican event. I actually kind of didn't believe it.

666
00:38:33.639 --> 00:38:36.119
I looked it up. It's absolutely true. The reason is

667
00:38:36.159 --> 00:38:38.800
that you can face discrimination in places like Haiti if

668
00:38:38.800 --> 00:38:41.760
you have AIDS. So if you just apply from Haiti

669
00:38:41.920 --> 00:38:43.639
and say well, I'd like to come over, you might

670
00:38:43.719 --> 00:38:45.920
get TPS, you might get in, you might not. If

671
00:38:45.960 --> 00:38:48.320
you apply and say I'm an AIDS refugee, you for

672
00:38:48.400 --> 00:38:50.880
a period of time were virtually guaranteed admission. I'm mister

673
00:38:50.920 --> 00:38:53.639
Obama leed in tens of thousands. It was over the

674
00:38:53.719 --> 00:38:58.079
ten thousand mark of people with HIV, and then it

675
00:38:58.159 --> 00:39:01.840
progressed into AIDS. So I don't think we need a

676
00:39:01.880 --> 00:39:04.360
lot of pep Haitians with AIDS in the US.

677
00:39:04.480 --> 00:39:06.960
Say, I mean, yeah, how does that make sense? Yeah,

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Bill Martinez here with the professor of political science at

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Kentucky State University, the author of Taboo, Ten Facts you

760
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Can't Talk About and Lies. My liberal teacher taught me, well,

761
00:43:29.840 --> 00:43:33.079
I don't understand why why would the government want to

762
00:43:33.320 --> 00:43:36.960
endanger its citizens? I mean because back then, even still,

763
00:43:37.480 --> 00:43:41.280
we we had such a crude understanding of AIDS and

764
00:43:42.679 --> 00:43:47.760
it's potential it's potential problems here. Why would we open

765
00:43:47.880 --> 00:43:50.000
the door, you know, to this kind of disease?

766
00:43:51.199 --> 00:43:53.000
Well, I think it's because of the idea of a

767
00:43:53.159 --> 00:43:56.360
trump pard moral Like everyone believes that there's certain things

768
00:43:56.440 --> 00:43:58.280
that you have to do or that you can't do.

769
00:43:58.559 --> 00:44:01.159
I mean, for me, anything vile or hyper sexual with

770
00:44:01.239 --> 00:44:03.599
kids would be an absolut or anything hyper violent or

771
00:44:03.719 --> 00:44:05.719
sexual at all with kids would be an absolute.

772
00:44:05.840 --> 00:44:05.880
No.

773
00:44:06.679 --> 00:44:09.239
Every has everyone has draws like that, I won't betray

774
00:44:09.440 --> 00:44:12.239
my version of God, I won't commit trees, and if

775
00:44:12.239 --> 00:44:14.960
I'm caught in war, I won't talk. So on, the

776
00:44:15.119 --> 00:44:20.199
modern left has a different morality from the conventional morality.

777
00:44:20.280 --> 00:44:22.400
And I'm not just saying this is a reasonably smart

778
00:44:22.440 --> 00:44:25.639
critic on the other side talking to another one. It's very,

779
00:44:26.000 --> 00:44:28.639
very obvious, and their entire books discussing it, like Peter

780
00:44:28.800 --> 00:44:32.400
Singer talking about animal rights where he ranks dolphins and

781
00:44:32.519 --> 00:44:35.159
so on ahead of human babies, and this explains a

782
00:44:35.199 --> 00:44:38.199
lot of the modern pro choice case, like it comes

783
00:44:38.320 --> 00:44:40.960
downstream of Singer. So, I mean, I guess if you

784
00:44:41.239 --> 00:44:45.199
feel that. Have you ever seen that diagram that's popular

785
00:44:45.280 --> 00:44:47.400
on Twitter, the heat map, where the heat map for

786
00:44:47.440 --> 00:44:51.239
conservatives is bright white in the center and that for liberals.

787
00:44:51.280 --> 00:44:55.119
It's what that represents is a pretty famous social science

788
00:44:55.199 --> 00:45:00.239
experiment where you're asked, circle in yellow or white, say

789
00:45:00.440 --> 00:45:04.800
the category of life where you feel you care about

790
00:45:04.800 --> 00:45:08.400
everyone roughly equally, And for me it was like neighborhood

791
00:45:08.519 --> 00:45:11.079
or something. But it's like number one is you, your wife,

792
00:45:11.119 --> 00:45:14.039
your kids. Number two is your mother, your father. Number

793
00:45:14.039 --> 00:45:16.519
three is your cousins, your brothers. You go out, your

794
00:45:16.559 --> 00:45:19.760
best friends, your girlfriend, high school sweetheart, You get out, neighborhood,

795
00:45:19.880 --> 00:45:23.320
your neighborhood, watch your basketball team, your golf team. And

796
00:45:23.440 --> 00:45:24.800
I stopped there and I was like, these are the

797
00:45:24.840 --> 00:45:27.719
people that I feel a roughly similar level of attachment for,

798
00:45:27.840 --> 00:45:29.199
Like if there's a war, these are the people I

799
00:45:29.320 --> 00:45:31.639
try to protect. Some people go out a level beyond

800
00:45:31.719 --> 00:45:34.920
that your city, and now there's another choice. You can

801
00:45:35.000 --> 00:45:37.360
still feel affection for a level beyond that. My level

802
00:45:37.400 --> 00:45:39.519
beyond that was like America, Kentucky or something of that.

803
00:45:40.199 --> 00:45:43.519
What leftists were saying in response to that chart was

804
00:45:43.679 --> 00:45:47.400
I feel a roughly equal level of affection for everything

805
00:45:47.519 --> 00:45:51.440
that exists. So, and the question is worded in an

806
00:45:51.719 --> 00:45:54.719
in a funny way, it's like, this includes lesser animals,

807
00:45:54.760 --> 00:45:57.360
this includes plants. So people were taking kind of a

808
00:45:57.440 --> 00:45:59.840
Mother Earth view and they were saying everything within the

809
00:46:00.159 --> 00:46:04.000
circle is about equal. All the humans matter equally, the

810
00:46:04.079 --> 00:46:06.880
animals matter about half as much. Everything has a very

811
00:46:06.920 --> 00:46:09.599
high value. I flatly don't believe that I would never

812
00:46:09.679 --> 00:46:12.440
kill an animal for sport. But if eight hundred thousand

813
00:46:12.559 --> 00:46:14.679
cows had to die so that my neighborhood could survive

814
00:46:14.719 --> 00:46:16.239
a fire, that's the fire is going to have to

815
00:46:16.320 --> 00:46:19.599
go toward the CAFO, the Animal feeding operation. And I

816
00:46:19.679 --> 00:46:23.280
think that's that's a healthier perspective. But kind of rambling here.

817
00:46:23.320 --> 00:46:26.079
If you start with the perspective that everyone is identically

818
00:46:26.159 --> 00:46:29.239
equal and that it is very bad to cause anyone

819
00:46:29.360 --> 00:46:31.519
harm or risk, which is a second point we saw

820
00:46:31.639 --> 00:46:34.920
during COVID empathy based morality, right, you wind up with

821
00:46:35.039 --> 00:46:37.920
the weird idea that we in America don't have the

822
00:46:38.079 --> 00:46:41.320
right to hoard our resources for Americans or to make

823
00:46:41.440 --> 00:46:45.159
say American women save at the expense of someone anywhere

824
00:46:45.199 --> 00:46:46.639
else in the world. And I think that's actually a

825
00:46:46.679 --> 00:46:49.119
pretty solid logical one two three framing.

826
00:46:49.840 --> 00:46:52.280
Right, what and what and how does that divide up?

827
00:46:52.400 --> 00:46:52.559
Is it?

828
00:46:53.079 --> 00:46:58.840
Is it a seventy thirty uh, you know equation? How

829
00:46:58.880 --> 00:47:01.880
does that calculus play out? I don't think it's fifty

830
00:47:01.880 --> 00:47:04.519
to fifty, but you know what, do you think it is?

831
00:47:05.159 --> 00:47:05.320
Well?

832
00:47:05.400 --> 00:47:05.599
For me?

833
00:47:05.800 --> 00:47:08.559
I mean there are three so I mean we've actually

834
00:47:08.559 --> 00:47:11.119
had interesting moral conversations on this show before, right, and

835
00:47:11.159 --> 00:47:13.159
I mean, so me for me. There are several different

836
00:47:13.199 --> 00:47:16.880
ways to do moral analysis. Basically, one for business or

837
00:47:16.920 --> 00:47:19.400
war is just rationally a moral like does the benefit

838
00:47:19.559 --> 00:47:21.960
to me of doing this exceed the guilt to me

839
00:47:22.079 --> 00:47:24.960
of doing it? There's nothing particularly wrong with making a

840
00:47:25.079 --> 00:47:28.239
credit deal that way, like okay, you know, not being

841
00:47:28.280 --> 00:47:30.239
the most ethical on this loan, but they're going to

842
00:47:30.320 --> 00:47:32.000
sue me if I don't pay it back, like okay,

843
00:47:32.079 --> 00:47:35.079
this is the business world. The second level, I think,

844
00:47:35.519 --> 00:47:39.800
is with weights. So you accept the general premise that

845
00:47:39.840 --> 00:47:42.440
there's an inherent value to everything life and all that,

846
00:47:43.239 --> 00:47:45.079
but you also say, well, I'm a human and I'm

847
00:47:45.079 --> 00:47:47.719
following order with Morris, so I'm going to wait my

848
00:47:48.000 --> 00:47:51.840
wife higher than some number of other people. For many people,

849
00:47:51.880 --> 00:47:53.760
it's a thousand A few times I've looked at this.

850
00:47:54.480 --> 00:47:57.880
So if I'm looking at something in an immigration policy,

851
00:47:58.719 --> 00:48:00.880
it would be a thousand times more important to me

852
00:48:01.000 --> 00:48:03.920
that my wife be safe from physical and sexual violence

853
00:48:04.000 --> 00:48:06.280
than that a woman from Sudan be safe from physical

854
00:48:06.320 --> 00:48:09.639
and sexual violence. Some could call that cold or something

855
00:48:09.760 --> 00:48:11.719
like that, but it's very hard to call protecting your

856
00:48:11.800 --> 00:48:15.119
family unethical in any sense. So that's what most people

857
00:48:15.199 --> 00:48:19.119
do do the weights. If you're just saying I value

858
00:48:19.199 --> 00:48:21.519
all people equally and at most I wait, an American

859
00:48:21.559 --> 00:48:24.519
two to one. I mean, there's really no checking on

860
00:48:24.639 --> 00:48:27.480
that system, so you wind up with what most people

861
00:48:27.559 --> 00:48:31.119
would view as insane decisions. And whenever I've talked to

862
00:48:31.199 --> 00:48:34.440
someone who's a vegan, or someone who's absolutely pro choice,

863
00:48:34.519 --> 00:48:36.760
or someone who's absolutely pro open borders, this is the

864
00:48:36.840 --> 00:48:40.559
kind of analysis that they're engaging in. They're saying, well,

865
00:48:40.719 --> 00:48:42.519
I wait, each person on the other side of the

866
00:48:42.559 --> 00:48:44.840
border as worth three quarters of the people on our

867
00:48:44.880 --> 00:48:49.239
side of the border, and we can't stop them coming

868
00:48:49.280 --> 00:48:53.159
in using that analytical system. And the answer is, yeah,

869
00:48:53.280 --> 00:48:57.000
but you're crazy. I mean, that's correct, but that's not

870
00:48:57.239 --> 00:49:03.679
how any Biblical, platonic, any traditional Western analysis would work.

871
00:49:04.159 --> 00:49:06.280
But I mean, I think that's what's being debated. What

872
00:49:06.519 --> 00:49:09.559
what the worth is of a friend or a citizen

873
00:49:09.719 --> 00:49:12.280
or someone you've given your word to as versus a

874
00:49:12.360 --> 00:49:15.639
hostile stranger. And if you think a hostile stranger is

875
00:49:15.760 --> 00:49:19.920
absolutely equivalent, I view that as bizarre. But there's a

876
00:49:19.960 --> 00:49:22.199
pretty large number of people by this point the view

877
00:49:22.239 --> 00:49:23.000
that is normative.

878
00:49:23.639 --> 00:49:25.920
Yeah, it's just I mean, the thing is, I look

879
00:49:25.960 --> 00:49:30.239
at it is you have somebody come in, are you

880
00:49:30.400 --> 00:49:34.280
capable of providing for them? If that's if that's the setup,

881
00:49:35.079 --> 00:49:36.920
and you know, it's kind of like what we just

882
00:49:37.000 --> 00:49:40.880
went through with, you know, the government shutdown. Right here.

883
00:49:40.960 --> 00:49:45.000
You had Democrats telling their constituents, Hey, we got your back,

884
00:49:45.159 --> 00:49:49.119
We're gonna take care of you. You know, we've got Medicare,

885
00:49:49.239 --> 00:49:52.800
we've got you know, all these entitlement programs, snap everything.

886
00:49:53.159 --> 00:49:57.679
We're there for you. Until they couldn't do it. You know,

887
00:49:57.800 --> 00:50:00.840
it's like welcome to the world of socialism. They ran

888
00:50:00.920 --> 00:50:03.480
out of other people's money in a way, and they

889
00:50:03.559 --> 00:50:06.800
got exposed because what it came to be was it

890
00:50:07.000 --> 00:50:09.239
wasn't about taking care of the constituents. It's just about

891
00:50:09.280 --> 00:50:12.920
power and control. It's about leverage. So they exposed themselves.

892
00:50:14.719 --> 00:50:17.519
Yeah, I would argue that the people in charge of

893
00:50:17.719 --> 00:50:20.880
socialist systems are usually bad people who figured out I mean,

894
00:50:20.920 --> 00:50:23.559
there's a specific model here that we use in political science,

895
00:50:23.599 --> 00:50:28.480
actually conservative political science. Socialism is generally a revolution by

896
00:50:28.519 --> 00:50:31.760
the second class against the first class. So in most

897
00:50:31.800 --> 00:50:34.199
societies you have a first class that's leading at any

898
00:50:34.239 --> 00:50:37.280
given time, which would be business people, military officers, so on.

899
00:50:37.960 --> 00:50:40.360
There are other people in the upper and upper middle

900
00:50:40.360 --> 00:50:43.280
class that feel excluded from that. So you've got students,

901
00:50:43.719 --> 00:50:47.000
academics and intellectuals, the leaders of unions, but people haven't

902
00:50:47.039 --> 00:50:48.639
quite made it to the top of business, right.

903
00:50:48.599 --> 00:50:48.840
So on.

904
00:50:49.559 --> 00:50:52.440
The socialist revolutions are always led by that second class.

905
00:50:52.480 --> 00:50:55.480
And the argument is, when we the second class take power,

906
00:50:56.000 --> 00:50:59.159
unlike those first class evildoers, we are going to take

907
00:50:59.199 --> 00:51:01.639
all the money, We're going to distribute it evenly to

908
00:51:01.760 --> 00:51:05.079
everyone in society. But it always stops with just the

909
00:51:05.159 --> 00:51:09.320
second class taking power. That's like Stalin shoots the czar

910
00:51:09.840 --> 00:51:11.960
and then you have a guy who's almost as smart

911
00:51:12.000 --> 00:51:15.559
and tough in charge and he becomes the dictator. So

912
00:51:15.639 --> 00:51:19.280
I mean, I think that, yes, there's a considerable element

913
00:51:19.360 --> 00:51:21.719
even in the USA of the Democrats being aware the

914
00:51:21.760 --> 00:51:24.960
greed's being aware that part of the reason people vote

915
00:51:25.039 --> 00:51:28.280
left is that you get these subsidies. A Biden most

916
00:51:28.400 --> 00:51:31.480
less thing but most blatant example, this was Biden promising

917
00:51:31.559 --> 00:51:33.400
to forgive student loan debt if people voted for him.

918
00:51:33.400 --> 00:51:36.360
Oh my gosh, yes, yeah, right exactly, Well, you know,

919
00:51:36.599 --> 00:51:40.400
and it was just one one deal after another. I mean,

920
00:51:40.440 --> 00:51:45.199
whether it was tapping into the strategic oil reserve right

921
00:51:46.400 --> 00:51:50.440
right before midterm, I mean, to influence votes. I mean,

922
00:51:50.480 --> 00:51:53.320
it's just unbelieva. It's incredible what they were able to

923
00:51:53.400 --> 00:51:56.960
get away with. And because there's no accountability, guess what

924
00:51:57.679 --> 00:52:00.880
will happen down the road when a Democrats back in office,

925
00:52:00.920 --> 00:52:04.440
We'll be back to where they're you know, restocking the

926
00:52:04.519 --> 00:52:05.000
deck again.

927
00:52:06.360 --> 00:52:09.239
Yeah, it's like the old professorial analysis. People joke that

928
00:52:09.239 --> 00:52:11.000
when your student's evaluate you at the end of the year,

929
00:52:11.039 --> 00:52:14.159
you always bring in cookies and like the basketball team's

930
00:52:14.159 --> 00:52:16.119
giving you some T shirts, you bring in like the

931
00:52:16.239 --> 00:52:18.239
varsity stuff from that year, and you put in the

932
00:52:18.320 --> 00:52:20.280
corner and you give out the study guy from the test.

933
00:52:20.480 --> 00:52:22.320
I actually don't usually do this because I want to

934
00:52:22.320 --> 00:52:24.679
see how people actually rate me. But there's a strong

935
00:52:24.760 --> 00:52:27.599
tendency to do that, and that's what that's what politicians

936
00:52:27.639 --> 00:52:30.480
are doing. Yeah, when you release the heating oil the

937
00:52:30.599 --> 00:52:33.800
day before the election. Yeah, and all politicians do that.

938
00:52:34.320 --> 00:52:37.119
The Democrats, though, and the Socialists in Europe tend to

939
00:52:37.239 --> 00:52:40.000
be worse with it because their entire platform is based

940
00:52:40.079 --> 00:52:42.840
on giving people free stuff. So it's not like free stuff,

941
00:52:42.840 --> 00:52:44.039
it's an incidental.

942
00:52:43.840 --> 00:52:46.039
Yeah, they don't have any ideas. I mean, it's amazing.

943
00:52:46.599 --> 00:52:49.519
It's just like, okay, we'll we'll just give them cake.

944
00:52:49.760 --> 00:52:51.239
We got a couple of minutes left. I wanted to

945
00:52:51.280 --> 00:52:54.119
get your read on what's going on in Minnesota with

946
00:52:54.320 --> 00:52:59.480
this fraud that Governor Waltz that's happened on his watch.

947
00:53:01.639 --> 00:53:04.079
Yeah, I mean, what's going on in Minnesota is that

948
00:53:04.320 --> 00:53:06.360
you have this actually is a good example of non

949
00:53:06.440 --> 00:53:11.599
assimilated immigration. You have a population of Somali's that have

950
00:53:11.719 --> 00:53:15.079
gone into a really hyper high trust environment that had

951
00:53:15.119 --> 00:53:17.960
all these systems set up for local Minnesotans that were

952
00:53:18.039 --> 00:53:21.119
never used. It'd be kind of considered kind of disgraceful

953
00:53:21.159 --> 00:53:24.480
by some Scandinavian farmer to be on the welfare for

954
00:53:24.559 --> 00:53:26.559
more than six months or whatever. You saw these very

955
00:53:26.599 --> 00:53:30.880
low usage rates, and then the new immigrants realized, well,

956
00:53:30.920 --> 00:53:33.039
this exists, and the as far as I can tell,

957
00:53:33.159 --> 00:53:37.000
these entire charities were set up to be fraudulent. So,

958
00:53:37.480 --> 00:53:42.519
for example, the rate of money that was built for

959
00:53:42.840 --> 00:53:47.840
autism care in Minnesota went from three million dollars to

960
00:53:48.000 --> 00:53:51.000
four hundred and ninety nine million dollars in one year

961
00:53:51.079 --> 00:53:55.280
or two years. Yeah, that's because these groups like Somali

962
00:53:55.400 --> 00:53:59.960
spot were teaching people how to process these fraudulent application

963
00:54:00.039 --> 00:54:04.000
And we even saw in a stupid sideline thing, the

964
00:54:04.079 --> 00:54:06.719
Shiloh Hendricks case, where a working class white woman and

965
00:54:06.840 --> 00:54:08.880
a working class black guy basically on a fight. She

966
00:54:08.960 --> 00:54:12.559
said inward the kid was like digging in a purse

967
00:54:12.639 --> 00:54:12.920
or something.

968
00:54:13.280 --> 00:54:13.480
I love.

969
00:54:13.519 --> 00:54:16.159
It's his fault as well. But like in that case,

970
00:54:16.480 --> 00:54:18.480
one of the reasons she was attacked, the reason they

971
00:54:18.519 --> 00:54:21.039
pressed charges against her was that the kid involved was

972
00:54:21.079 --> 00:54:24.480
supposedly autistic. And it turns out the kid is like eight,

973
00:54:24.719 --> 00:54:27.599
he's Somali, and he's probably I don't know, but one

974
00:54:27.639 --> 00:54:31.199
of these fake autism cases. We see an incredible surge

975
00:54:31.480 --> 00:54:34.000
in this sort of claim, and Minnesota's gonna have to

976
00:54:34.039 --> 00:54:35.559
decide what to do. I mean, are they going to

977
00:54:35.639 --> 00:54:37.400
crack down? Are they going to look a little more

978
00:54:37.480 --> 00:54:40.280
closely at these Somali charities. I Mean, the answer is

979
00:54:40.280 --> 00:54:44.119
obviously yes. But that goes so hard against Minnesota nice

980
00:54:44.199 --> 00:54:47.360
And it also seems to be what Tim Wall specifically

981
00:54:47.400 --> 00:54:49.719
prohibited as governor right exactly.

982
00:54:49.880 --> 00:54:53.519
Well, it seems like there's going to be a House

983
00:54:53.599 --> 00:54:57.280
investigation of Governor Waltz And to think that he was

984
00:54:57.360 --> 00:54:59.840
going to be a heart beat away from the presidency.

985
00:55:00.599 --> 00:55:04.719
Yeah, pretty crazy. He's a weird guy, I mean, and

986
00:55:04.920 --> 00:55:07.079
that also gets into why you shouldn't be insecure as

987
00:55:07.119 --> 00:55:09.079
a leader. I mean, we all have our insecurities, but

988
00:55:09.280 --> 00:55:12.320
you know, like I'm I'm a PhD level intellectual guy.

989
00:55:12.320 --> 00:55:13.480
A lot of my buddies are.

990
00:55:13.880 --> 00:55:16.199
Soldiers or cops because I was a good athlete, but

991
00:55:16.239 --> 00:55:17.960
they're better on the physical side. You want to surround

992
00:55:18.000 --> 00:55:21.119
yourself with people that are challenging you impressive. The point

993
00:55:21.159 --> 00:55:23.920
of this is like Kamala Harris, they're on the other team.

994
00:55:23.960 --> 00:55:25.400
We don't like them all that much, but like Josh

995
00:55:25.440 --> 00:55:29.239
Shapiro is available. Oh yeah, good, big guns available, and

996
00:55:29.320 --> 00:55:31.480
she just kept rejecting them for these He's too tall,

997
00:55:31.559 --> 00:55:33.519
he's Jewish. I mean, if you read the behind the

998
00:55:33.519 --> 00:55:36.119
scenes papers, then it's like, okay, well, when you do that,

999
00:55:36.360 --> 00:55:38.559
this is what you end up with. And that's we've

1000
00:55:38.800 --> 00:55:41.239
seen what Tim Walls turned out to be exactly.

1001
00:55:41.280 --> 00:55:43.760
You got to leave it there until next week. He's

1002
00:55:43.800 --> 00:55:46.559
a professor of political science at Kentucky State University, author

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Hey, good morning America. Six minutes at the top of

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the hour, Bill Martinez hear from Landmark Legal Mike O'Neill. Mike,

1030
00:57:11.159 --> 00:57:14.119
good morning, How are you good? Good to you with you, Bill, Well,

1031
00:57:14.239 --> 00:57:17.039
lots to catch up on, I mean Donald Trump's administration.

1032
00:57:17.400 --> 00:57:21.679
I mean, they continue to weather the storm. The resistance continues.

1033
00:57:21.800 --> 00:57:26.280
You've got activist judges interfering with the process. I don't know,

1034
00:57:26.360 --> 00:57:28.039
I mean, are we going to be the poort years

1035
00:57:28.079 --> 00:57:29.960
down the road and Trumps still not be able to

1036
00:57:30.039 --> 00:57:34.159
seat you know, all his people, plus leus, you know,

1037
00:57:34.559 --> 00:57:35.840
plus all the conflict with.

1038
00:57:36.320 --> 00:57:38.039
You know, his his legal team.

1039
00:57:38.480 --> 00:57:38.679
Yeah.

1040
00:57:38.719 --> 00:57:40.639
Well, I think the one the one piece of music

1041
00:57:40.719 --> 00:57:43.599
mouth this morning is we saw yesterday the judge up

1042
00:57:43.639 --> 00:57:47.159
in Massachusetts did what she did again with regarding the

1043
00:57:47.239 --> 00:57:50.440
planned parenthood case. This is an interesting one. This We've

1044
00:57:50.440 --> 00:57:53.519
talked about this in the past, but remember Bill, planned

1045
00:57:53.559 --> 00:57:55.920
parenthood was defunded under the Big Beautiful Bill. This was

1046
00:57:55.960 --> 00:57:58.079
a piece of legislation. This was the signature piece of

1047
00:57:58.159 --> 00:58:00.360
legislation that happened over the summer and of one of

1048
00:58:00.400 --> 00:58:02.760
the provisions of this this was a law passed by Congress.

1049
00:58:03.119 --> 00:58:06.239
One of the provisions of this was to defund Planned Parenthood. Essentially,

1050
00:58:06.800 --> 00:58:12.039
the stipulation was that organizations that decided that performed elective

1051
00:58:12.079 --> 00:58:15.239
abortions and that received over eight hundred thousand dollars in

1052
00:58:15.360 --> 00:58:19.480
medicaid were no longer qualified to receive medicaid funds going forward.

1053
00:58:19.519 --> 00:58:22.039
And this was a consensus that was reached by the Congress,

1054
00:58:22.559 --> 00:58:24.880
A law put in place, and of course what do

1055
00:58:24.920 --> 00:58:27.199
we see. We saw a lawfare waged against this. There

1056
00:58:27.280 --> 00:58:30.199
was an initial lawsuit by Planned Parenthood up in Massachusetts.

1057
00:58:30.559 --> 00:58:35.400
A judge had made the conclusion that that this constituted

1058
00:58:35.400 --> 00:58:39.840
an unlawful bill of attainder and discriminated unlawfully against Planned Parenthood,

1059
00:58:40.159 --> 00:58:43.480
and put and ordered the Department of the HHS to

1060
00:58:43.599 --> 00:58:45.360
continue to fund Planned Parenthood.

1061
00:58:45.760 --> 00:58:45.880
UH.

1062
00:58:46.280 --> 00:58:49.599
I don't know how the how, the how or how

1063
00:58:49.760 --> 00:58:51.480
HHS was supposed to find the money to do this,

1064
00:58:51.599 --> 00:58:55.400
but the judgement pacted this ruling. UH that that ruling

1065
00:58:55.559 --> 00:58:59.159
was stayed by the first Circuit Court of Appeals. So

1066
00:58:59.480 --> 00:59:01.719
the court took a quick the appellate court took a

1067
00:59:01.800 --> 00:59:03.519
quick look at it and said, at least on the surface,

1068
00:59:03.559 --> 00:59:05.840
this seems onn sensical, we're going to stay it. That

1069
00:59:06.119 --> 00:59:09.599
that court. The appellate court had actually held oral arguments

1070
00:59:09.800 --> 00:59:12.079
just about a week and a half two weeks ago

1071
00:59:12.159 --> 00:59:14.440
on it and so on a preliminary injunction. So a

1072
00:59:14.519 --> 00:59:18.760
decision from the appellate court is pending yet the state.

1073
00:59:18.920 --> 00:59:21.400
This is the honesty we're talking about with this lawfare

1074
00:59:21.480 --> 00:59:22.960
bell when we get into the weeds on it, and

1075
00:59:23.119 --> 00:59:25.280
so it's important to get into the details so that

1076
00:59:25.480 --> 00:59:29.719
that track has passed. The Circuit Court of Appeals is

1077
00:59:30.559 --> 00:59:33.519
pending a decision on a preliminary injunction which should be

1078
00:59:33.559 --> 00:59:36.079
coming out the next couple of weeks. Landmark actually wrote

1079
00:59:36.079 --> 00:59:41.239
a brief in that case. The state's Blue States filed

1080
00:59:41.320 --> 00:59:45.760
a lawsuit against with the exact same allegations demanding that

1081
00:59:45.840 --> 00:59:48.960
Planned Parenthood be refunded, and the same judge, the same

1082
00:59:49.039 --> 00:59:53.360
District court judge, just yesterday again did exactly what she

1083
00:59:53.480 --> 00:59:55.880
did months and months ago and ordered Planned Parenthood to

1084
00:59:55.920 --> 00:59:58.000
keep be funding even though the first Circuit Court of

1085
00:59:58.000 --> 01:00:01.679
Appeals has already stayed in earlier ruling on it. Can

1086
01:00:01.760 --> 01:00:04.239
you so this is where we are with this this

1087
01:00:04.440 --> 01:00:06.639
and again this is this is the example I love

1088
01:00:06.719 --> 01:00:09.519
to talk about when we're talking about lawfair and judges

1089
01:00:09.559 --> 01:00:11.760
that are going well beyond their bounds of authority, because

1090
01:00:11.800 --> 01:00:14.320
this represents the most egregious example of it. And you say,

1091
01:00:14.360 --> 01:00:17.280
why does this represent the most egregious example, Well, because

1092
01:00:17.639 --> 01:00:20.320
here it's not just an act of Donald Trump. It's

1093
01:00:20.360 --> 01:00:23.360
not just an executive order. It's not just a regulatory

1094
01:00:23.480 --> 01:00:26.559
action by an administrative agency. What this is is this

1095
01:00:26.719 --> 01:00:31.719
is a law passed by Congress. You're seeing the judges

1096
01:00:31.960 --> 01:00:36.119
who are so emboldened by their Article quote unquote Article

1097
01:00:36.159 --> 01:00:39.880
three authority that they are trying to counteract and enjoin

1098
01:00:40.480 --> 01:00:43.480
acts of Congress. So this isn't necessary. This isn't about

1099
01:00:43.559 --> 01:00:46.639
Donald Trump. Bill, this isn't about Donald Trump's agenda. This

1100
01:00:46.800 --> 01:00:50.280
is about the activist judiciary that is committed to advancing

1101
01:00:50.360 --> 01:00:53.679
a particular agenda. And this is this is even though

1102
01:00:53.840 --> 01:00:56.440
you already have a circuit court who's already expressed and

1103
01:00:56.519 --> 01:00:58.880
again keep in mind, Bill, the first Circuit is not

1104
01:00:59.039 --> 01:01:02.000
some bastion of conservativesm trump Ism. This is the first

1105
01:01:02.039 --> 01:01:03.719
Crict Court of Appeals. This is not this is a

1106
01:01:03.800 --> 01:01:06.920
pretty liberal court. They already said, hey, look, maybe you

1107
01:01:06.960 --> 01:01:09.039
want to slow your role, judge, maybe you want to

1108
01:01:09.079 --> 01:01:12.199
ease off here, We're going to stay this your early opinion,

1109
01:01:12.440 --> 01:01:16.159
which was this judge even at all cowed by this, no,

1110
01:01:16.599 --> 01:01:19.440
not at all completely emboldened, did the exact same thing

1111
01:01:19.559 --> 01:01:21.599
she had done months and months ago. So what we're

1112
01:01:21.599 --> 01:01:24.440
talking about here is look at the headwinds that this administration.

1113
01:01:24.559 --> 01:01:27.440
If you can't even have Acts of Congress getting through

1114
01:01:27.559 --> 01:01:29.679
some of these judges, how can you expect the Trump

1115
01:01:29.719 --> 01:01:31.559
administration to succeed? And so that's why you have to

1116
01:01:31.639 --> 01:01:34.159
come back around to this and admire the extent to

1117
01:01:34.199 --> 01:01:36.559
which the Department of Justice and the administration are fighting

1118
01:01:36.639 --> 01:01:39.960
these battles. And again, they're going through the process, just

1119
01:01:40.039 --> 01:01:42.079
like I illustrated to you, they're going through the process.

1120
01:01:42.159 --> 01:01:44.320
Oftentimes these cases get it to the United States Supreme

1121
01:01:44.400 --> 01:01:47.960
Court and they're successful there as well. So it's just

1122
01:01:48.079 --> 01:01:50.239
something we're having to fight with. It's something the American

1123
01:01:50.280 --> 01:01:52.440
people should be aware of, and it's obviously something that

1124
01:01:52.440 --> 01:01:53.800
the American people should be appalled by.

1125
01:01:54.320 --> 01:01:56.199
Well, it's kind of amazing because when you think about,

1126
01:01:56.400 --> 01:02:00.800
you know, seventy seven million people voting for Donald Trump

1127
01:02:01.000 --> 01:02:05.159
and this agenda and uh, and then you've got the judiciary,

1128
01:02:06.039 --> 01:02:09.480
you know, I guess in a sense fighting for their

1129
01:02:09.559 --> 01:02:14.360
own their own territory and trying to expand their uh

1130
01:02:15.559 --> 01:02:20.119
their judicial uh you know, propriety I guess or or area.

1131
01:02:20.400 --> 01:02:24.880
And you know, it's it just doesn't you know, there's

1132
01:02:25.000 --> 01:02:28.039
nothing in the Constitution that gives the judiciary that kind

1133
01:02:28.079 --> 01:02:30.760
of power and that kind of standing. I mean, it's

1134
01:02:30.800 --> 01:02:33.159
kind of amazing because whenever it's on the other side.

1135
01:02:33.199 --> 01:02:35.360
I mean, the thing we hear constantly was, you know,

1136
01:02:35.480 --> 01:02:38.000
well the president or the government has no standing on this,

1137
01:02:38.159 --> 01:02:40.559
so you know, they throw it out of court because

1138
01:02:40.599 --> 01:02:43.039
and now here it is you've got a law, as

1139
01:02:43.079 --> 01:02:47.199
you said, it's already passed by Congress, and now they're

1140
01:02:47.320 --> 01:02:50.639
they're saying no, I mean, somehow they're claiming authority over

1141
01:02:50.719 --> 01:02:53.159
that as well, right, right.

1142
01:02:53.079 --> 01:02:54.920
And this is yeah, this is this is again what

1143
01:02:55.079 --> 01:02:57.519
what what's interesting about this particular case is this this

1144
01:02:57.719 --> 01:02:59.920
is the confluence of this is a this is a

1145
01:03:00.000 --> 01:03:02.559
abortion So right, certainly it moves the needle when you're

1146
01:03:02.599 --> 01:03:06.039
talking about the left and the activists and the issue

1147
01:03:06.039 --> 01:03:08.519
in and of itself is something that when you see

1148
01:03:08.599 --> 01:03:11.719
activist judges who are probably again I'm going to make

1149
01:03:11.719 --> 01:03:15.039
an assumption, who are probably committed, who are probably sympathetic

1150
01:03:15.159 --> 01:03:18.599
to the pro abortion arguments here and don't think you know,

1151
01:03:18.639 --> 01:03:21.679
would argue Roe v. Wade and blah blah blah all

1152
01:03:21.719 --> 01:03:25.719
of that. So that obviously factors into this. However, again

1153
01:03:25.800 --> 01:03:30.000
again it's it's the emboldenness which is which is really

1154
01:03:30.079 --> 01:03:32.639
appalling to me. The lack of humility here is when

1155
01:03:32.679 --> 01:03:35.320
you see, you know, you should approach these cases with

1156
01:03:35.719 --> 01:03:39.679
probity and sobriety and humility. And the first question you

1157
01:03:39.719 --> 01:03:42.880
should ask yourself is do I have authority to rule

1158
01:03:42.960 --> 01:03:46.239
in this case? In other words, should I show difference

1159
01:03:46.360 --> 01:03:50.880
to whatever whatever body enacted, whatever action is being challenged.

1160
01:03:51.000 --> 01:03:53.880
So when you have Congress who's enacted this law, that

1161
01:03:54.119 --> 01:03:59.519
that demands significant deference to concoct. Again, as we talked about,

1162
01:03:59.599 --> 01:04:02.679
to concoct this rationale that somehow this act of Congress,

1163
01:04:03.119 --> 01:04:06.400
this defunding of planned paradid constitutes an unlawful bill of attainder,

1164
01:04:06.599 --> 01:04:07.719
is just beyond the payoff.

1165
01:04:08.159 --> 01:04:10.840
So what's the what's the what's the ball and strikes

1166
01:04:10.880 --> 01:04:11.440
on this issue?

1167
01:04:11.480 --> 01:04:11.599
Man?

1168
01:04:11.719 --> 01:04:11.920
Yeah?

1169
01:04:12.119 --> 01:04:16.519
Yeah, okay, So so what again, It's it's Congress is

1170
01:04:16.920 --> 01:04:21.400
is entitled to to enact social policy via the right

1171
01:04:21.719 --> 01:04:24.719
via the statutory policy. If Congress makes the decision, the

1172
01:04:24.800 --> 01:04:28.280
consensus decision, to decide that it doesn't want to use

1173
01:04:28.320 --> 01:04:33.000
American tax dollars to underwrite abortions, elective abortions. Then that's

1174
01:04:33.320 --> 01:04:37.079
that's well within Congress's Article ones authority spending authority, and

1175
01:04:37.159 --> 01:04:40.719
that's that's a policy that Congress enacted via that that

1176
01:04:40.960 --> 01:04:45.519
demonstrated via statute. So it's entitled to ninety difference unless

1177
01:04:45.519 --> 01:04:49.719
it involves a specific constitutional infringement. And that's where we

1178
01:04:49.760 --> 01:04:51.679
talk about your balls and strikes. If the Act of

1179
01:04:51.760 --> 01:04:54.480
Congress somehow violates your First Amendment rights or your Second

1180
01:04:54.480 --> 01:04:56.719
Amendment rights, that's where you go to it. Right, So

1181
01:04:57.079 --> 01:04:59.239
that's where it comes into in the case unless you

1182
01:04:59.280 --> 01:05:02.679
can see that it's it's unduly burdensome on your free

1183
01:05:02.719 --> 01:05:05.639
speech rights, or it interferes with your free exercise religion rights,

1184
01:05:05.760 --> 01:05:08.480
or your Second Amendment rights to carry, or your your

1185
01:05:08.920 --> 01:05:11.840
due process rights, so anything where you can come into that.

1186
01:05:12.000 --> 01:05:13.920
But to come out of left field and say this

1187
01:05:14.039 --> 01:05:16.320
constitutes an unlawful bill of attainder, Now what a bill?

1188
01:05:16.400 --> 01:05:19.079
What's a bill of attainer? That's a legislative punishment. Those

1189
01:05:19.119 --> 01:05:21.880
were the prohibitions on bill of attainder were put in

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the Constitution to prevent Congress from punishing people via the

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the mob Congress is acting, we want to put Mike

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o' neil to death for whatever. Well, you're denying Mike

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it up on the other side. More from Mike O'Neil.

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Welcome back Bill Martinez.

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Here.

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Just about nineteen minutes after the top of the hour,

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Mike O'Neil from Lendmark Legal continues with us. Mike, as

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you were saying about the bill of attainer, and I

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think you explained that very well for our audience to

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understand what's into play here and in terms of the

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balls and strikes. And it's kind of amazing because for

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so long, you know, when abortion first came on the scene,

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you know, for decade decades ago, it was you know,

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this is not going to be taxpayer funded. We're not

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going to use taxpayer money to fund abord I mean

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that was constantly. And meanwhile, then the next move by

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the left was, we've got to declare that abortion is

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a right, right all right, So if they got if

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they've got affirmation on abortion being a right, now, all

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of a sudden, we have a different argument here as

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it relates to the constitution right.

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Yeah, and and and for for the law for a while,

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I mean, ever after post Roe v. Wade, before after

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you know, after Rov way between Rov Wade and Dobbs,

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there was a constitutional recognized constitutional right to an abortion.

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Now Dobbs decision, the court this Rainport said, of course

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there is no you don't have a constitutional right for

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an abortion. Certainly, there is something known as the High

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Let me let me just expound on this a little bit.

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There is something known as the High Amendment, which was

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named after a Congressman who introduced it, which prevents federal

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tax money from going to pay abortions. But the argument

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here is that money is fungible.

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Right.

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If you get money, if you're getting medicaid funding for

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you know, if you're a planned parenthood operation, and your

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source of income is medicaid, and that that exact dollar

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doesn't go to fund an abortion, but it goes for

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other things. We all know money is fungible, and so

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that's that was the point here is we didn't want

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to see, by hook or by crypt American taxpayer money

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going to underwrite abortions. And that's essentially what it was

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doing here. So again, no right to it. There's no

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there's no right to an abortion. Certainly no right for

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federal tax dollars to underwrite organizations who provide elective abortions.

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Uh.

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And and again that was the will of Congress expressed

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by a statute. Should be respected, should be respected by

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the court, should be respected by the administration, should be

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respected by everybody, because of course that has the full

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force of rule.

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Of law, of law.

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The good the good news in this a couple a

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couple of good news pieces. Number one, it gives, it gives.

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The first thing is is it shows it's demonstrative of

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the extent to which the judiciary will go out of

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their way to undermine the will of the American people

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in these certain these extreme cases. So it's good that

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we see what we're dealing with. You know who, you know,

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what kind of you know, what kind of judges you're

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dealing with in some of these instances. Number two is

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I think the first Circuit Court of Appeals will will

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overrule this this judge's opinion. I'm relatively confident in that.

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And number three, even if the First Circuit Court of

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Appeals doesn't, I would love to have this case in

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front of the Supreme Court and it would go up

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pretty fast. And it would because these bill of attainder

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cases don't come up very often, and for people like me,

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it's like catnip, and so I would love to have

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this in front of the Supreme Court. Listening to Justice

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Thomas go after the New Jersey lawyer yesterday in the

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New in this there was this case, there was or

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arguments in this case yesterday in New Jersey involving donor

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disclosure for a pro life health organization, and Justice Thomas.

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I encourage everyone to listen to Justice Thomas's colloquy with

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the New Jersey lawyer where he sussed out what really

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was the motivation for New Jersey to go after this

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pro life health center and there was no complaints that

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were given, nobody issued any complaints about this health center.

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It was just a target by a Soros fundid prosecutor

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to go after a pro life health center that was

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providing pregnancy counseling to women, you know, to say, okay,

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they're alternatives to an abortion here. And so in his

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genius ways actually suss out what the motivation of these

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of this state of New Jersey was in this case.

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And I would love to see those the Justice Thomas

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Alito go after these folks, uh, you know, these Planned

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Parenthood lawyers and defending this program. So I don't think

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it's going to get it to the Supreme Court, but

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I think the First Circuit's going to overrule this and say, hey, look,

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the law was legitimate. Congress can defund Planned paradod if

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it decides to. But if it ever gets to Scotus,

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I think it would be one of those kind of

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popcorn moments for people like me.

1393
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Yeah, right, exactly. Well, and for those of us that

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have been following this because you know, are you know

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the way these judges have been acting. Do you think

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in the you know, coming years, and I mean even

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immediate years, that we're going to be looking at some

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impeachment of judges.

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Well, we've got one going right now. But now that's

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not for his rulings. It's just it's such a rubicond

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to to cross. I'm I think that there's certain times

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that it's necessitated. And you know, again, I don't know

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whether I don't know whether you go on on this

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case that I'm talking that I've been harping about regarding

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the planned paranoid case. I don't know if that necessitates

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an impeachment rather than just strict ruling. But I think

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at some point we're gonna the American people's frustration is

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just bubbling over.

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But what the good?

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Again?

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The other the some of the silver lining here is

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the more this is, the longer we're drawing out this string,

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and the more these cases are getting litigated, you're seeing

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more success from the Trump administration. Right, you had this

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bevy and onslaught of these orders right in the summer

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and into the early fall, right you know, spring summer

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and into the early fall. But now is the the

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from the Trump administration at both the circuit and the

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you know, the the anger I think from from it

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as as things are getting was moving through the process. Again,

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it depends. I think if it continues, at some point,

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there's going to be some political accountability. But again keep

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in mind here that I think as also as Donald

1426
01:17:01.399 --> 01:17:03.479
Trump is able to put more judges on the bench,

1427
01:17:03.600 --> 01:17:05.119
I think that that's going to kind of dull it

1428
01:17:05.199 --> 01:17:07.880
as well, because keep in mind, we've had about eleven years,

1429
01:17:07.920 --> 01:17:10.520
eleven and a half years of Obama and Biden judges

1430
01:17:10.880 --> 01:17:12.359
exactly sitting in these positions.

1431
01:17:12.600 --> 01:17:15.199
Well, and of course the Democrats understand that strategy as well,

1432
01:17:15.239 --> 01:17:17.359
and this is why they're doing everything they can to resist.

1433
01:17:17.840 --> 01:17:20.960
And you know, I mean, God only knows what's going

1434
01:17:21.000 --> 01:17:23.840
to happen in the midterms, but we know if the

1435
01:17:23.920 --> 01:17:25.960
left takes control, then forget it. I mean, this is

1436
01:17:26.039 --> 01:17:29.399
really going to stall out that process altogether, right, Yeah.

1437
01:17:29.279 --> 01:17:32.760
And I everybody, it's funny because we two months ago.

1438
01:17:33.079 --> 01:17:35.039
If you get hooked on the swings of the politics,

1439
01:17:35.079 --> 01:17:37.079
it really you can get whiplashed. Because a couple of

1440
01:17:37.079 --> 01:17:39.680
months ago we thought, okay, you know, everything's rosy for

1441
01:17:40.119 --> 01:17:43.159
Republicans going forward. You know, we have a strong bench.

1442
01:17:44.319 --> 01:17:46.680
Democrats are going or dive on these hills that are

1443
01:17:46.800 --> 01:17:49.079
ninety ten hills. And then then all of a sudden,

1444
01:17:49.119 --> 01:17:51.760
you know, kind of lost focus, and you had the

1445
01:17:51.840 --> 01:17:54.000
elections in New Jersey and Virginia and everybody kind of

1446
01:17:54.039 --> 01:17:56.279
all the Republicans kind of lost their minds and freaking out.

1447
01:17:56.359 --> 01:17:59.199
Then again, you have the guy from New Jersey one yesterday,

1448
01:17:59.399 --> 01:18:00.680
I think in this special election.

1449
01:18:02.439 --> 01:18:07.600
Yeah, not in Tennessee. Sorry, yeah, no, no, it's right Nashville.

1450
01:18:07.800 --> 01:18:09.520
And then everybody was like, well, it's a twenty it's

1451
01:18:09.520 --> 01:18:12.640
a plus twenty two Trump district. But yeah, it's a

1452
01:18:12.640 --> 01:18:15.199
plus twenty two Trump district. But Marsha Blackburne only won

1453
01:18:15.239 --> 01:18:17.479
it by I think eight points before in the in

1454
01:18:17.560 --> 01:18:20.920
a previous election, so it's not it's not as red

1455
01:18:21.000 --> 01:18:22.800
as I think everybody was playing out just because you

1456
01:18:22.840 --> 01:18:24.640
looked at that plus twenty two number and the guy

1457
01:18:24.720 --> 01:18:27.039
still won. But you know, but the left on the

1458
01:18:27.079 --> 01:18:28.279
other side of the equation though the worse.

1459
01:18:28.399 --> 01:18:30.359
It's kind of it was kind of I mean, his

1460
01:18:30.640 --> 01:18:34.520
his his opponent all but shot herself in the foot

1461
01:18:34.560 --> 01:18:37.960
by saying she hate country music and everything about Nashville,

1462
01:18:38.079 --> 01:18:39.439
and oh yeah, vote for me. You know.

1463
01:18:39.800 --> 01:18:41.520
It's like, yeah, if you can't beat her, But I

1464
01:18:41.560 --> 01:18:43.239
mean again, if you can't beat her, you can't beat

1465
01:18:43.319 --> 01:18:45.159
But I think it was a it's a red district,

1466
01:18:45.159 --> 01:18:46.560
but I don't think it's as red as it was

1467
01:18:46.600 --> 01:18:50.840
being played out. So, uh, you know, it's it's like everybody,

1468
01:18:51.079 --> 01:18:52.760
you know, we all kind of get caught in the moment.

1469
01:18:53.199 --> 01:18:55.119
A lot of things can happen in the next year,

1470
01:18:55.439 --> 01:18:58.680
right we But I do think that I do think

1471
01:18:58.840 --> 01:19:03.279
just politically speaking, Republicans and again I'm not not getting

1472
01:19:03.640 --> 01:19:05.800
not endorsing any candidates. I think that the issues that

1473
01:19:05.920 --> 01:19:09.000
really drive American people right now are two things. Number one,

1474
01:19:09.079 --> 01:19:13.119
the economy ie inflation, and number two immigration. I think

1475
01:19:13.159 --> 01:19:15.560
that's that's what drove Donald Trump to get a long and.

1476
01:19:15.640 --> 01:19:18.520
Those two things are in the wheelhouse of the Republican

1477
01:19:18.600 --> 01:19:21.720
Party because of Donald Trump's leadership, what He's done on

1478
01:19:21.880 --> 01:19:24.560
all these areas. And then of course, you know, the

1479
01:19:24.640 --> 01:19:29.039
Democrats are shaking because as the big beautiful bill really starts,

1480
01:19:29.279 --> 01:19:31.760
you know, taking hold at the turn of the year,

1481
01:19:32.279 --> 01:19:35.840
heading into the midterms, I mean, the economy should be

1482
01:19:35.960 --> 01:19:40.079
humming along. I mean, and you talk about affordability and

1483
01:19:40.840 --> 01:19:43.159
what will happen here, I think it'll be a dramatic

1484
01:19:43.279 --> 01:19:45.720
change and these things that Donald Trump has been promising

1485
01:19:46.079 --> 01:19:48.840
will be realized. I mean the difference between Donald Trump

1486
01:19:48.880 --> 01:19:50.880
and you know, and I can be political and I

1487
01:19:51.319 --> 01:19:54.880
but what I like is that what Donald Trump has promised.

1488
01:19:54.920 --> 01:19:59.159
I mean, you see the machinations, you see the supply chain,

1489
01:19:59.279 --> 01:20:02.880
set up, the infrat structure for success. He's setting it up.

1490
01:20:03.000 --> 01:20:05.439
Whereas with the Democrats. The Democrats can make promises and

1491
01:20:05.479 --> 01:20:08.000
you go, you know, like Mom, Donnie, I'm going to

1492
01:20:08.039 --> 01:20:10.840
do all this stuff. Okay, but where's where's the infrastructure? Right,

1493
01:20:10.960 --> 01:20:15.000
where's the systems to demonstrate that you can provide you know,

1494
01:20:15.199 --> 01:20:19.119
these kinds of services and no charge and at no

1495
01:20:19.279 --> 01:20:21.840
cost to the to the people there in New York.

1496
01:20:23.119 --> 01:20:26.760
Yeah, yeah, I would like I would like to see immigration.

1497
01:20:27.079 --> 01:20:27.159
Uh.

1498
01:20:27.520 --> 01:20:32.239
We we've done a great job with stopping the inflow

1499
01:20:32.319 --> 01:20:34.680
of illegal immigrants, right, I mean, we've closed the border,

1500
01:20:34.720 --> 01:20:36.680
but I would like to see some systemic reforms to

1501
01:20:36.720 --> 01:20:39.880
our immigration system, dur visas system. I mean, h one

1502
01:20:39.960 --> 01:20:42.319
that what's coming out now, it's almost daily at this point,

1503
01:20:42.600 --> 01:20:44.600
the amount of fraud that's being conducted under the oh

1504
01:20:44.720 --> 01:20:48.439
my gosh, Jesus system appalling. Uh, there are other there

1505
01:20:48.439 --> 01:20:51.800
are other immigration programs that that need to be looked

1506
01:20:51.840 --> 01:20:55.119
that strongly. And I think that I think that our

1507
01:20:55.119 --> 01:20:59.119
immigration system is being played out. Are the the is

1508
01:20:59.199 --> 01:21:03.119
being used and fraud that's extrapolated on it. What's happening

1509
01:21:03.159 --> 01:21:04.319
in Minnesota.

1510
01:21:03.880 --> 01:21:06.439
For example, Oh my gosh, yeah, exactly, yeah, I mean.

1511
01:21:06.720 --> 01:21:09.439
Holy yeah. It's scary to think that we were we

1512
01:21:09.560 --> 01:21:12.560
were so close to having a guy who's vite, who

1513
01:21:12.680 --> 01:21:15.319
is a heartbeat away from the presidency again, Tim Wallas,

1514
01:21:16.079 --> 01:21:19.479
who was presiding over this state. That is just when

1515
01:21:19.520 --> 01:21:21.119
you peel back the onions and you begin to look

1516
01:21:21.159 --> 01:21:24.199
at what's going on in Minnesota, it's absolutely appalling. And

1517
01:21:24.319 --> 01:21:26.920
I think it's it's that the you know what, just

1518
01:21:27.119 --> 01:21:30.960
just to talk about, how come how come no no

1519
01:21:31.399 --> 01:21:35.199
media outlet, no New York Times, Washington Post, investigative media

1520
01:21:35.199 --> 01:21:38.239
outlet with significant resources look took a hard look at

1521
01:21:38.239 --> 01:21:40.520
what was going on in Minnesota during the presidential campaign

1522
01:21:40.600 --> 01:21:43.479
last year, right, And how did this escape the New

1523
01:21:43.600 --> 01:21:46.239
York Times When when I think back on it, when

1524
01:21:46.560 --> 01:21:50.600
every every vice presidential candidate is vetted throughout everything, every

1525
01:21:50.680 --> 01:21:52.840
Republican I mean, they looked at every single thing.

1526
01:21:52.920 --> 01:21:53.119
JB.

1527
01:21:53.279 --> 01:21:55.760
Vance did, every single thing is entire life. But yeah,

1528
01:21:55.800 --> 01:21:57.680
Tim wats you can't even look at the government Tim

1529
01:21:57.760 --> 01:22:00.479
Rawls is running in Minnesota and see the rampant fraud

1530
01:22:00.560 --> 01:22:03.159
that's going on. And it wasn't even hard, you know,

1531
01:22:03.199 --> 01:22:06.399
you're talking about just the monochrome of due diligence would

1532
01:22:06.399 --> 01:22:06.680
have been.

1533
01:22:06.560 --> 01:22:08.520
Comb Well, look at look what they did with Obama.

1534
01:22:08.680 --> 01:22:10.319
You know they they didn't want to vet him. They

1535
01:22:10.399 --> 01:22:14.960
were not curious whatsoever about anything about him. And uh,

1536
01:22:15.560 --> 01:22:18.079
you know, so why should we be surprised? Kamala Harris,

1537
01:22:18.159 --> 01:22:20.960
same thing. And Jim Watz, I mean because there were

1538
01:22:21.000 --> 01:22:24.039
whistle blowers out there, Michael that were the They were

1539
01:22:24.239 --> 01:22:27.760
you know, loud, you know, yelling and screaming, but nobody

1540
01:22:27.800 --> 01:22:28.560
wanted to pay attention.

1541
01:22:29.119 --> 01:22:32.000
Holy yeah, I mean that the amount of fraud that's

1542
01:22:32.079 --> 01:22:34.560
going on in that state is amazing.

1543
01:22:35.279 --> 01:22:37.439
I mean, they were talking over a billion dollars in

1544
01:22:37.520 --> 01:22:39.840
probably when the dust settles, you're going to find out

1545
01:22:39.920 --> 01:22:43.000
billions billions of dollars that benefits.

1546
01:22:43.199 --> 01:22:45.960
And then and just absolute fraud. And then the one

1547
01:22:46.079 --> 01:22:49.840
the just simply the amount the autism centers that.

1548
01:22:49.960 --> 01:22:52.720
The oh yeah, that's disgusting, from.

1549
01:22:52.640 --> 01:22:55.960
Fifty million to four hundred million dollars in four years

1550
01:22:56.079 --> 01:23:01.319
because the Somali community was bilking Medicaid for money for

1551
01:23:01.600 --> 01:23:06.600
autism care. And holy but that's just it's just check.

1552
01:23:06.680 --> 01:23:10.119
It's like wine box, check check check. Anyway. So I

1553
01:23:10.239 --> 01:23:13.359
do I think that the good news again I keep

1554
01:23:13.399 --> 01:23:16.000
saying good news is the administration looks like it's focused

1555
01:23:16.000 --> 01:23:18.520
on this. I would like them to, you know, say, hey,

1556
01:23:18.600 --> 01:23:21.000
we're gonna we're gonna turn We've done a lot internationally,

1557
01:23:21.079 --> 01:23:22.600
We've had a lot of we've had a lot of

1558
01:23:22.600 --> 01:23:26.560
wins internationally. Let's let's devote some some bandwidth here to

1559
01:23:27.520 --> 01:23:29.760
you know, our economy, which I think they're doing, but

1560
01:23:29.880 --> 01:23:33.039
also immigration and some systemic reforms that are necessary and

1561
01:23:33.159 --> 01:23:36.119
combating fraud by individuals who are now in this country

1562
01:23:36.960 --> 01:23:41.600
quote unquote legally under the parole refugee status and actually

1563
01:23:41.640 --> 01:23:43.359
taking some hard looks at that stuff as well.

1564
01:23:43.760 --> 01:23:46.039
Yeah, I think your point what happened in New York

1565
01:23:46.279 --> 01:23:48.800
really was a wake up call for the Republicans to say,

1566
01:23:48.840 --> 01:23:51.960
wait a minute. You know, they surrendered the affordability theme.

1567
01:23:52.399 --> 01:23:54.560
They had that and they just let it go. And

1568
01:23:54.720 --> 01:23:57.960
so you know, I think, uh that that was the

1569
01:23:58.039 --> 01:24:00.399
alarm clock that went off loud and clear and waking

1570
01:24:00.439 --> 01:24:02.119
them up. We got to leave it there for now

1571
01:24:02.199 --> 01:24:05.079
until next week. He's the assistant General counsel at Lendmark Legal.

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Hey, good morning, welcome back. Good to have you with us.

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Bill Martinez here along with doctor Bonner Cohen. I'm going

1646
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to give us an update on all things of Brazil

1647
01:28:20.399 --> 01:28:23.600
and what happened at the latest conference there. Uh, doctor Cohen,

1648
01:28:23.680 --> 01:28:24.800
good to have you with us. How are you.

1649
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I'm very well, Bill, and I hope you and our

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viewers and listeners are doing well too.

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Yeah, we all survive Thanksgiving, Bonner.

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That's right, despite our best efforts at the Thanksgiving dinner table.

1653
01:28:38.359 --> 01:28:39.079
Yeah, exactly.

1654
01:28:39.520 --> 01:28:42.159
For indulge, let's Uh, let's be honest about that.

1655
01:28:42.960 --> 01:28:46.720
Well, let me ask you this. Have the tires run

1656
01:28:46.840 --> 01:28:53.359
flat on all this decarbonization that the United Nations and

1657
01:28:53.560 --> 01:28:56.560
the world elites have been trying to thrust on, you know,

1658
01:28:56.720 --> 01:28:59.319
on the countries. I guess they've come to some truth

1659
01:28:59.399 --> 01:29:00.680
and reality here, right.

1660
01:29:01.760 --> 01:29:05.079
Yes, And I think that's a good choice of words,

1661
01:29:05.520 --> 01:29:09.199
that the tires have in fact gone flat. And that's

1662
01:29:09.319 --> 01:29:13.840
not just tires here in the United States, it's also

1663
01:29:14.039 --> 01:29:16.359
tires in Europe. And will come to that in a minute.

1664
01:29:16.760 --> 01:29:20.399
And actually you mentioned the word tires. Tires are hints

1665
01:29:20.520 --> 01:29:23.880
at automobiles. I read in the Wall Street Journal this

1666
01:29:24.119 --> 01:29:30.279
morning that the Ford Motor Company has lost thirteen billion

1667
01:29:30.640 --> 01:29:37.199
dollars since twenty twenty three on its electric vehicles evs.

1668
01:29:38.159 --> 01:29:44.640
The company is now seriously considering discontinuing its Ford F

1669
01:29:44.800 --> 01:29:49.439
one fifty Lightning, which is the EV version of its

1670
01:29:49.520 --> 01:29:56.840
otherwise very successful F one fifteen fifty pickup. And if

1671
01:29:56.920 --> 01:30:03.880
you look at jurisdiction, be they countries see in Europe, states,

1672
01:30:03.960 --> 01:30:09.239
in the US of Agnia, Illinois, New York, Washington, Oregon,

1673
01:30:09.319 --> 01:30:13.159
the usual suspects come to mind, as well as cities

1674
01:30:13.840 --> 01:30:21.039
everywhere you have had green energy policies introduced, put in forced,

1675
01:30:21.239 --> 01:30:26.319
and in some cases enforced. Everywhere that's been done, the

1676
01:30:26.479 --> 01:30:30.720
price of energy and in many cases the availability of

1677
01:30:30.960 --> 01:30:34.319
energy has the price of energy has gone up, and

1678
01:30:34.399 --> 01:30:40.800
the availability of energy has gone down. In Germany and Britain,

1679
01:30:40.960 --> 01:30:49.600
for example, consumers, be they residential consumers or for that matter, industry,

1680
01:30:49.880 --> 01:30:56.840
are just paying astronomical sums of money for electricity, and

1681
01:30:57.000 --> 01:31:01.560
that electricity which is increasingly brought to them courtesy of

1682
01:31:01.720 --> 01:31:05.199
wind and solar And anybody who's ever spent a lot

1683
01:31:05.239 --> 01:31:08.920
of time in Britain solar power in Britain, are you

1684
01:31:09.119 --> 01:31:13.359
kidding me? At those latitudes with those prevailing northwesterly winds

1685
01:31:13.439 --> 01:31:17.920
that bring in clouds off the North Atlantic, and the

1686
01:31:18.079 --> 01:31:21.319
same prevailing winds cover most of Germany, and it's it's

1687
01:31:22.520 --> 01:31:26.159
with clouds. I mean, it's an absolute joke. Nevertheless, the

1688
01:31:26.279 --> 01:31:30.960
political elite over there went along with this for so

1689
01:31:31.359 --> 01:31:35.960
long that they have done a tremendous amount of damage

1690
01:31:36.039 --> 01:31:39.720
to their countries. And they have come to realize, though

1691
01:31:39.760 --> 01:31:43.720
they don't yet quite admit it, that decarbonization equals de

1692
01:31:44.000 --> 01:31:46.000
industrialization exactly.

1693
01:31:46.439 --> 01:31:49.079
They're going to they're scrambling to catch up manner. I

1694
01:31:49.119 --> 01:31:51.359
mean it's just like you know, as you just pointed

1695
01:31:51.399 --> 01:31:55.680
out here, even with this latest election in New Jersey

1696
01:31:56.199 --> 01:31:59.680
where energy is a key issue, yet they voted for

1697
01:31:59.800 --> 01:32:05.560
somebody that really doesn't have a clue about about about energy,

1698
01:32:05.880 --> 01:32:08.920
you know, going forward and and all that we're talking

1699
01:32:08.920 --> 01:32:11.960
about right now, this is all pre AI. AI is

1700
01:32:12.720 --> 01:32:16.840
coming up and and you hear a huge if I

1701
01:32:16.880 --> 01:32:21.399
can say, a sucking sound for energy that is getting

1702
01:32:21.479 --> 01:32:24.800
louder and louder is AI comes more and more to

1703
01:32:24.880 --> 01:32:29.600
the front. And so when AI becomes more dominant, I mean,

1704
01:32:29.760 --> 01:32:33.800
if you are not up to speed with you know,

1705
01:32:33.920 --> 01:32:37.720
with your with your fuel and energy capacity, you are

1706
01:32:37.880 --> 01:32:40.239
going to be de industrialized.

1707
01:32:40.960 --> 01:32:41.279
You are.

1708
01:32:41.600 --> 01:32:45.520
AI is the black swan and the and the data

1709
01:32:45.560 --> 01:32:48.600
centers that are necessary for ANI. But AI is the

1710
01:32:48.680 --> 01:32:52.760
black swan for green energy. Uh. The people who have

1711
01:32:52.880 --> 01:32:55.960
been pushing the great transition that was supposed to be

1712
01:32:56.039 --> 01:32:59.920
in the midst of right now did not see this coming.

1713
01:33:01.000 --> 01:33:03.680
I can tell you one thing. The developers of data

1714
01:33:03.760 --> 01:33:06.840
centers most certainly did. Now a lot of these people

1715
01:33:06.960 --> 01:33:12.000
are fashionably green, left of centered people, but they're also businessmen.

1716
01:33:12.840 --> 01:33:16.159
They are putting these data centers right where they know

1717
01:33:16.359 --> 01:33:22.199
they have access to energy twenty four seven three sixty five.

1718
01:33:22.359 --> 01:33:28.039
Otherwise these data centers don't work. At Google, example, it

1719
01:33:28.319 --> 01:33:31.079
entered a couple of years ago into a very interesting

1720
01:33:31.520 --> 01:33:37.520
agreement to reopen parts of the Three Mile Island nuclear

1721
01:33:37.640 --> 01:33:42.640
site simply because one of those reactors there can function

1722
01:33:42.840 --> 01:33:45.199
very well. That was shut down in twenty nineteen. They're

1723
01:33:45.239 --> 01:33:47.960
going to open it right back up. Are they putting

1724
01:33:48.039 --> 01:33:52.960
up wind turbines and solar panels around that facility to

1725
01:33:53.079 --> 01:33:58.520
power the data center? Know they are not. They're going nuclear,

1726
01:33:58.840 --> 01:34:01.840
and these companies will go nuclear where they can. And

1727
01:34:02.039 --> 01:34:04.800
if they can't go nuclear, they're going to be looking

1728
01:34:05.039 --> 01:34:09.319
for access to natural gas and in some cases even

1729
01:34:09.439 --> 01:34:12.159
cold the ladder of which is going to make something

1730
01:34:12.279 --> 01:34:16.399
of a comeback simply because the electricity that coal produces

1731
01:34:17.119 --> 01:34:22.079
is extremely reliable, it's very affordable. And the Trump administration

1732
01:34:22.359 --> 01:34:27.279
is just extended or proposed extending the life span of

1733
01:34:27.520 --> 01:34:31.319
eleven coal powered power plants that were to shut down,

1734
01:34:31.920 --> 01:34:34.119
set to shut down in a couple of years. Now

1735
01:34:34.159 --> 01:34:37.399
they're going to be allowed to go into the twenty thirties.

1736
01:34:38.000 --> 01:34:42.479
So the worm has turned here, and it has certainly

1737
01:34:42.560 --> 01:34:46.479
done so in a way that if you combine that

1738
01:34:47.199 --> 01:34:51.319
with the phase out of subsidies for wind and solar,

1739
01:34:52.239 --> 01:34:56.279
and with a complete flop that electric vehicles have been

1740
01:34:56.479 --> 01:35:01.720
in the United States with their sales having limited once

1741
01:35:01.960 --> 01:35:08.319
the subsidies for right exactly things, the tax credits phased

1742
01:35:08.359 --> 01:35:12.920
out and they were ended zero on September the thirtieth,

1743
01:35:13.119 --> 01:35:17.079
the bottom fell out. In the month of October, sales

1744
01:35:17.279 --> 01:35:23.039
of evs and US comprised six percent of the market. Now,

1745
01:35:23.199 --> 01:35:26.239
it hasn't been too many years, maybe two or three,

1746
01:35:26.680 --> 01:35:29.840
when we were being told that we're going to be

1747
01:35:30.159 --> 01:35:33.920
one hundred percent ev by pick your date, twenty thirty,

1748
01:35:34.079 --> 01:35:37.279
twenty thirty five, folks. That's not going to happen.

1749
01:35:37.560 --> 01:35:37.720
Yeah.

1750
01:35:37.800 --> 01:35:40.520
See, we didn't need to listen to them then, and

1751
01:35:40.640 --> 01:35:43.119
we don't listen to them now because they were that wrong.

1752
01:35:43.760 --> 01:35:46.079
And you know some of these things, you know, like

1753
01:35:46.159 --> 01:35:49.560
you said, I mean, these are very wealthy, smart people

1754
01:35:50.119 --> 01:35:54.279
who insisted on this green ideology and it took them

1755
01:35:54.439 --> 01:36:00.199
down a dead end road here. And the thing is,

1756
01:36:00.319 --> 01:36:02.239
you know, Bonnard, you and I we've been talking about

1757
01:36:02.279 --> 01:36:05.560
this for years and where this is headed. And you know,

1758
01:36:05.640 --> 01:36:07.560
it's not so much that we're saying we told you so,

1759
01:36:07.760 --> 01:36:10.560
because even a fifth grader would look at this and

1760
01:36:11.279 --> 01:36:11.920
have told them so.

1761
01:36:12.199 --> 01:36:12.319
Right.

1762
01:36:12.720 --> 01:36:17.159
But this again speaks to how ideologically fixed we can become.

1763
01:36:17.680 --> 01:36:19.399
Think we know it all and we're all that in

1764
01:36:19.439 --> 01:36:22.079
the bag of chips, and as Jordan Peterson says, we

1765
01:36:22.239 --> 01:36:27.359
render ourselves stupid. So even smart people can render themselves stupid.

1766
01:36:27.960 --> 01:36:30.079
And you've got to be careful who you're listening to.

1767
01:36:30.319 --> 01:36:33.000
Right, that's right. You know, it's one thing to have

1768
01:36:33.039 --> 01:36:36.880
a nice high IQ wonderful, but how tethered are you

1769
01:36:37.039 --> 01:36:39.600
to the real world. Amen. You may be a very

1770
01:36:39.760 --> 01:36:43.119
creative thinker, but you run the risk of seeing things

1771
01:36:43.159 --> 01:36:46.000
that aren't there. And there were a lot of people

1772
01:36:46.479 --> 01:36:51.079
who jumped on the green bandwagon, some for ideological reasons,

1773
01:36:51.479 --> 01:36:54.359
others for wealth commercial reasons, because they were hoping to

1774
01:36:54.439 --> 01:36:58.399
get their myths on the very lucrative subsidies they were seeing.

1775
01:36:58.560 --> 01:37:00.640
Exactly I was going to say, this was it. This

1776
01:37:00.920 --> 01:37:04.359
was a subsidy driven ideology.

1777
01:37:04.119 --> 01:37:05.039
Right absolutely.

1778
01:37:05.119 --> 01:37:07.560
And when Trump comes in and cuts off the subsidies,

1779
01:37:07.840 --> 01:37:10.279
I mean, Elon miss must saw this right away, and

1780
01:37:10.359 --> 01:37:12.279
I mean, you're killing me after all that I did for.

1781
01:37:12.319 --> 01:37:18.920
This, that's right, right, where no gratitude you know, no,

1782
01:37:19.079 --> 01:37:23.520
but it was the right thing. Yeah, I saw it immediately.

1783
01:37:24.319 --> 01:37:28.239
And you don't hear him singing the praises of wind

1784
01:37:28.319 --> 01:37:33.880
and solar or trumpeting the tremendous threat to climate change.

1785
01:37:33.960 --> 01:37:37.560
Now now he's dealing with self driving cars and space

1786
01:37:37.880 --> 01:37:39.199
X and what have you.

1787
01:37:39.840 --> 01:37:42.000
Exactly, Well, do you think there's going to be some

1788
01:37:42.119 --> 01:37:44.239
sort of cottage industry that comes up, because I mean

1789
01:37:44.520 --> 01:37:47.720
here you've got billions of dollars just in you know,

1790
01:37:47.920 --> 01:37:50.840
General Motors alone, Bonner. What what are they going to

1791
01:37:50.920 --> 01:37:53.079
do with this stuff? I mean, they can't just turn

1792
01:37:53.119 --> 01:37:56.239
them into you know, flower pots.

1793
01:37:56.640 --> 01:38:00.119
That's right. You know, had we allowed those subsidies what

1794
01:38:00.279 --> 01:38:04.319
have you to continue, what would have happened is that

1795
01:38:05.039 --> 01:38:07.520
what we used to call the Big Three, the Detroit

1796
01:38:07.680 --> 01:38:11.920
Three today, they would have you know what they would

1797
01:38:11.920 --> 01:38:14.920
have done. They would have had to, thanks to regulatory

1798
01:38:15.640 --> 01:38:19.000
measures that the Biden administration put into place, they would

1799
01:38:19.000 --> 01:38:23.239
have had to phase out their gasoline powered vehicles. Yes,

1800
01:38:23.439 --> 01:38:28.760
hundreds of thousands of automobile workers unionized and otherwise would

1801
01:38:28.840 --> 01:38:32.960
have lost their jobs as a result. But EVS would

1802
01:38:33.119 --> 01:38:36.520
never have been able to take care of the gap

1803
01:38:36.600 --> 01:38:38.920
that would have been created because people can't afford them

1804
01:38:38.960 --> 01:38:42.000
and they don't want them. So you're talking about dodging

1805
01:38:42.119 --> 01:38:43.600
a gigantic bullet.

1806
01:38:44.199 --> 01:38:46.800
Now, yeah, they had they had to put up a

1807
01:38:46.840 --> 01:38:48.000
statue of Donald Trump.

1808
01:38:48.760 --> 01:38:53.239
Yes, yes, absolutely, named Detroit Trump Talent.

1809
01:38:53.439 --> 01:39:01.319
Yeah, exactly, Trump MotorCity. You know, the go ahead, go ahead, Bomber.

1810
01:39:02.239 --> 01:39:06.319
So, as I said, we dodged a gigantic bullet by

1811
01:39:06.479 --> 01:39:09.880
doing that, because otherwise we would be in the midst

1812
01:39:09.960 --> 01:39:14.680
of our own the industrialization, a kind of de industrialization.

1813
01:39:14.880 --> 01:39:17.079
That course, we can see at the state level in

1814
01:39:17.159 --> 01:39:25.319
places like California, Washington, Oregon, Illinois, in New York, all

1815
01:39:25.479 --> 01:39:29.640
of which are still clinging. Some movement in New York

1816
01:39:29.680 --> 01:39:36.279
away from that tenaciously to the whole green ideology, even

1817
01:39:36.359 --> 01:39:40.239
though that green eyed geology is driving people all moss

1818
01:39:40.760 --> 01:39:44.439
out of the state and they're taking they can't afford

1819
01:39:44.520 --> 01:39:47.560
to live there anymore. Many of the jobs that they

1820
01:39:48.199 --> 01:39:51.039
that they had have been destroyed and they're heading for

1821
01:39:51.439 --> 01:39:55.760
the exits. So it hasn't reached the elite there, even

1822
01:39:55.840 --> 01:39:58.119
though in the case of New York, Governor Hockel has

1823
01:39:58.199 --> 01:40:00.760
worked out a deal with Trump gets to keep a

1824
01:40:01.199 --> 01:40:07.600
completely worthless offshore wind farm in exchange for expanding pipelines

1825
01:40:07.760 --> 01:40:10.920
through New York State so that they can serve not

1826
01:40:11.000 --> 01:40:13.560
only New York State, but first and foremost New England,

1827
01:40:14.239 --> 01:40:19.199
because New England is facing an absolute energy disaster, and

1828
01:40:19.279 --> 01:40:21.439
this is a part of the world that gets very

1829
01:40:21.520 --> 01:40:25.279
cold in the winter where they really need heat. They're

1830
01:40:25.359 --> 01:40:29.560
actually they have been importing there a natural gas from

1831
01:40:29.680 --> 01:40:33.640
Russia and elsewhere when there's all the national gas your

1832
01:40:33.720 --> 01:40:39.079
little heart desires sitting next door in Pennsylvania. So this

1833
01:40:39.279 --> 01:40:41.800
is going to this deal that she worked out with Trump,

1834
01:40:41.880 --> 01:40:45.279
which does show some a bit of realism on her

1835
01:40:45.439 --> 01:40:48.600
part because she knows that New York, now that mister

1836
01:40:48.680 --> 01:40:51.319
Montdomi will be taking the reins in New York City

1837
01:40:51.720 --> 01:40:53.720
is going to have enough problems on its hand with

1838
01:40:53.880 --> 01:40:57.039
its loss of revenue. It doesn't need this.

1839
01:40:57.920 --> 01:41:01.079
Well, you know, Kathy Okle is going to take all

1840
01:41:01.159 --> 01:41:05.000
the brilliance credit for that, right.

1841
01:41:06.960 --> 01:41:08.319
Oh that's absolutely true.

1842
01:41:09.920 --> 01:41:12.560
Yeah, aren't you lucky you have me as governor? I

1843
01:41:12.640 --> 01:41:17.239
know I can, I can, Yes, yeah, exactly. Well, we

1844
01:41:17.319 --> 01:41:19.600
got to leave it there. He's a senior policy analysts

1845
01:41:19.880 --> 01:41:23.279
for the Committee for Constructive Tomorrow, Doctor Bonner Cohen, Thank you, Bonner,

1846
01:41:23.359 --> 01:41:23.680
take care.

1847
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Good morning.

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Great to have you with us sharing a part of

1926
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your day. For more info on the show, Bill Martinez

1927
01:45:35.119 --> 01:45:37.920
Live dot com. Chef George Duran's going to be joining

1928
01:45:38.000 --> 01:45:40.319
us in just a moment. He's going to show how

1929
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cheese isn't just a topping. It's a game changer for entertaining,

1930
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sharing simple upgrades that turn your game day table into

1931
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a feast. Because, after all, Tailgates season is here right.

1932
01:45:51.119 --> 01:45:53.520
Chef, that's right, Bill, thanks for having me on.

1933
01:45:54.119 --> 01:45:56.279
Well, good to have you here. All right, So let's

1934
01:45:56.319 --> 01:45:59.239
talk about some of these few simple upgrades that can

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make your tagate experience extraordinary.

1936
01:46:03.159 --> 01:46:03.279
You know.

1937
01:46:03.399 --> 01:46:05.119
One of the easiest ways to make a game day

1938
01:46:05.159 --> 01:46:08.680
spread stand out, it's with cheese. Like you said, it's versatile,

1939
01:46:08.720 --> 01:46:12.640
it's indulgent and instantly elevates any day dish when tailgating

1940
01:46:12.680 --> 01:46:15.560
without the complicated prep. And for tailgating, I make a

1941
01:46:15.680 --> 01:46:18.239
president grilled breed. It's one of my favorites to serve.

1942
01:46:18.279 --> 01:46:20.960
It's simple, it's so delicious. You add your bri in

1943
01:46:21.039 --> 01:46:24.159
a skillet, add some crosshatching on it, add some fruits

1944
01:46:24.399 --> 01:46:27.800
like apples and some pistachios, some drizzled honey. You can

1945
01:46:27.880 --> 01:46:30.600
even use seasonal fruits and ingredients and you feel of pumpkins.

1946
01:46:30.680 --> 01:46:32.960
You can use pumpkin puree with the honey in there.

1947
01:46:33.159 --> 01:46:35.079
But once you put it all together on the skillet,

1948
01:46:35.119 --> 01:46:37.439
you pop it onto your grill when you're tailgating at

1949
01:46:37.479 --> 01:46:39.760
the stadium parking lot or in the oven at home,

1950
01:46:40.000 --> 01:46:42.760
and serve it with Christini baguette slices for an Oui

1951
01:46:42.920 --> 01:46:43.640
guey sensation.

1952
01:46:44.199 --> 01:46:47.000
This is a must try, Chef, Do you realize how

1953
01:46:47.039 --> 01:46:49.800
many people are around your boot arena, be coming with

1954
01:46:50.000 --> 01:46:52.600
empty crackers looking for a free dep pond?

1955
01:46:52.720 --> 01:46:55.800
Right, I have plenty to share. I got lots here.

1956
01:46:56.359 --> 01:47:00.520
My gosh, that is tremendous. What a great idea. Okay,

1957
01:47:00.600 --> 01:47:02.279
so what else? What else you got for us?

1958
01:47:02.760 --> 01:47:02.960
Yeah?

1959
01:47:03.000 --> 01:47:05.600
You know? I love President's pup Cheese sharp Cheddar spread.

1960
01:47:05.640 --> 01:47:08.359
It's a whipped and creamy cheddar spread made with nine

1961
01:47:08.439 --> 01:47:11.880
month age cheddar that is bold in flavor, perfect for

1962
01:47:11.960 --> 01:47:15.119
game based snacking dips, and it melts beautifully. I even

1963
01:47:15.159 --> 01:47:17.359
love to serve this cheese warmed up and drizzled over

1964
01:47:17.479 --> 01:47:20.640
nachos or turned into a taco nacho board to truly

1965
01:47:20.680 --> 01:47:23.039
impress my guests. But the beauty of this pup cheese

1966
01:47:23.119 --> 01:47:25.680
is its high quality and versatility, and that means you

1967
01:47:25.720 --> 01:47:29.159
can actually spread it directly on mouthwatering sliders to create

1968
01:47:29.199 --> 01:47:31.640
a rich, velvety layer that melts into the meat and

1969
01:47:32.039 --> 01:47:35.880
every bite together. It's creamy, flavorful, and crave It's a

1970
01:47:35.960 --> 01:47:38.000
crave worthy crowd pleaser for sure.

1971
01:47:38.119 --> 01:47:41.000
Well exactly, I mean already just by looking at it,

1972
01:47:41.199 --> 01:47:44.000
Chef here, you got my taste buds. Watering here, and

1973
01:47:44.119 --> 01:47:48.560
we're talking with chef George Durant. He's a chef, TV host,

1974
01:47:48.600 --> 01:47:51.800
and media personality known for blending expert know how with

1975
01:47:51.920 --> 01:47:55.239
humor and creativity, best recognized for his Food Network show

1976
01:47:55.680 --> 01:47:59.199
Ham on the Street and TLC is the Ultimate Cake Off.

1977
01:48:00.560 --> 01:48:03.000
These are great ideas. How about some other tips or

1978
01:48:03.039 --> 01:48:07.399
tricks for making game day entertaining simple and delicious?

1979
01:48:07.880 --> 01:48:08.079
Yeah?

1980
01:48:08.119 --> 01:48:10.039
You know, like I said, cheese is always my go

1981
01:48:10.119 --> 01:48:12.520
to for game data. Adds richness, brings everything on the

1982
01:48:12.560 --> 01:48:15.439
table together, but it also pairs perfectly on a charcuteri

1983
01:48:15.520 --> 01:48:18.880
board that your crowd can pick on before and during

1984
01:48:18.960 --> 01:48:21.000
the game. You know, one thing I tell people it's

1985
01:48:21.039 --> 01:48:23.159
important to balance the temperatures with the cheese. Is that

1986
01:48:23.279 --> 01:48:26.600
means keeping baked or melted cheeses under gentle warmth. For example,

1987
01:48:26.640 --> 01:48:30.000
you can use an insulated dish or foil tent works fantastic.

1988
01:48:30.479 --> 01:48:33.640
You know, managing these temps always keeps everything tasting freshly

1989
01:48:33.720 --> 01:48:36.479
made without babysitting at a parking lot or in your home.

1990
01:48:37.199 --> 01:48:37.319
Right.

1991
01:48:37.560 --> 01:48:39.760
Well, the thing is also what we love about cheese

1992
01:48:39.960 --> 01:48:42.279
is protein content, right, good protein and cheese.

1993
01:48:43.079 --> 01:48:46.600
Oh, but more importantly, it tastes so good exactly.

1994
01:48:46.880 --> 01:48:50.199
So it's not you know, it's one of those pleasures

1995
01:48:50.239 --> 01:48:52.279
that you can have and not feel guilty about. That's

1996
01:48:52.319 --> 01:48:52.760
what I like.

1997
01:48:53.840 --> 01:48:55.960
Yeah, no doubt about it. And also it pairs so

1998
01:48:56.159 --> 01:48:58.439
well with so many different flavors. If you want vegetables,

1999
01:48:58.479 --> 01:49:00.760
it works wonderful with that. If you want sweets, I mean,

2000
01:49:00.800 --> 01:49:03.479
it works great with jams and honeys and maple syrup.

2001
01:49:03.800 --> 01:49:06.279
So cheese just goes with everything together. If you have

2002
01:49:06.359 --> 01:49:09.159
the right cheese that melts nicely, you're good.

2003
01:49:09.640 --> 01:49:12.840
And so what is it about cheese that is so universal? Chef?

2004
01:49:12.880 --> 01:49:14.880
I mean, here, you've been doing this, you know, most

2005
01:49:14.920 --> 01:49:17.960
of your life, and you know, cheese has been something

2006
01:49:18.000 --> 01:49:22.159
that you've really focused on and majored in. And thank God,

2007
01:49:22.199 --> 01:49:24.600
because here are all these great ideas you're sharing with us.

2008
01:49:24.600 --> 01:49:25.359
So we appreciate that.

2009
01:49:25.960 --> 01:49:28.840
Yeah, you know, every culture has their ways of making cheese.

2010
01:49:28.880 --> 01:49:32.119
Jesu has been into our culinary history for thousands and

2011
01:49:32.199 --> 01:49:34.560
thousands of years since they've discovered how to make it

2012
01:49:34.640 --> 01:49:37.600
with cows. But the French have got it's so well done.

2013
01:49:37.640 --> 01:49:40.520
And every region in France has their method of making cheese,

2014
01:49:40.560 --> 01:49:45.239
including brie cheese, and that's because their cows are filled

2015
01:49:45.319 --> 01:49:48.960
with happy, happy grass that makes lovely, luscious cream and

2016
01:49:49.319 --> 01:49:52.680
a milk that makes wonderful cheeses. So the French know

2017
01:49:52.880 --> 01:49:56.199
how to make cheeses, and President Cheese proves it right there.

2018
01:49:56.960 --> 01:50:00.239
So, Chef George, how did it begin for you? How

2019
01:50:00.279 --> 01:50:03.039
did you, you know, end up where you are today?

2020
01:50:03.800 --> 01:50:05.880
Well, in the very beginning, my mother was overfeeding me

2021
01:50:06.000 --> 01:50:08.000
in her umbilical court. She was just like kind of

2022
01:50:08.039 --> 01:50:12.520
feeding me insidewalk for this, oh trading me and got it.

2023
01:50:12.600 --> 01:50:14.560
I thought, that's what you meant to you know, my French.

2024
01:50:15.159 --> 01:50:17.079
I have a French culinary degree. So I lived in

2025
01:50:17.159 --> 01:50:19.800
Paris for three years and I ate throughout the entire

2026
01:50:19.880 --> 01:50:23.399
country of France and really tasted the most amazing cheeses

2027
01:50:23.479 --> 01:50:26.279
and foods I've ever had. I am spoiled when it

2028
01:50:26.359 --> 01:50:28.000
comes to food. And then I came here to the

2029
01:50:28.119 --> 01:50:30.239
United States and started hosting on a food network and

2030
01:50:30.520 --> 01:50:32.560
all the rest is history, and I'm with you on air.

2031
01:50:33.039 --> 01:50:35.119
Well here we are exactly, And the thing is is

2032
01:50:35.159 --> 01:50:37.520
that you know, of course France is known for its cheeses.

2033
01:50:37.560 --> 01:50:40.920
And like you said, wow, what a what a culinary

2034
01:50:41.079 --> 01:50:43.760
experience to go through France like that and enjoy all

2035
01:50:43.800 --> 01:50:45.760
the cheeses. But you know, we got some great places

2036
01:50:45.760 --> 01:50:48.000
here in America to produce some great cheeses.

2037
01:50:47.760 --> 01:50:50.159
Right, Oh my goodness, the cheeses here in the United

2038
01:50:50.199 --> 01:50:53.000
States are fantastic too. And you know, the flavor profiles

2039
01:50:53.000 --> 01:50:54.720
here in the United States. That's why the pub cheese

2040
01:50:54.760 --> 01:50:57.880
works so well, because that's sharp cheddar. We love kind

2041
01:50:57.920 --> 01:51:00.600
of that. That's kind of like elevated cheese. Flavor of

2042
01:51:00.680 --> 01:51:04.640
sharp cheddar, especially on your nachos, anything that kind of

2043
01:51:04.800 --> 01:51:07.000
melts and puts it in there. It's such an American

2044
01:51:07.760 --> 01:51:10.239
iconic flavor to be able to put something like melted

2045
01:51:10.319 --> 01:51:13.000
cheese on top of nacho's back gats whatever it is.

2046
01:51:13.079 --> 01:51:16.039
But something about melty cheese that's so Americana.

2047
01:51:16.079 --> 01:51:18.119
I love it, Oh, it really is. And I love

2048
01:51:18.159 --> 01:51:19.640
what you did with the breeze. I'm gonna have to

2049
01:51:20.319 --> 01:51:24.680
copy that recipe. That just looked absolutely scrunchous. Some great ideas.

2050
01:51:24.720 --> 01:51:27.840
I mean, you know, the whole idea of a tailgating

2051
01:51:28.319 --> 01:51:31.800
is keep it simple, keep it great, and keep it inviting.

2052
01:51:32.039 --> 01:51:34.880
And when you got cheese, cheese is like it just

2053
01:51:35.000 --> 01:51:36.039
yells out come here.

2054
01:51:36.239 --> 01:51:40.319
Right absolutely, you know, I always have cheese in my refrigerator,

2055
01:51:40.359 --> 01:51:43.039
and any last minute guests come in or any sort

2056
01:51:43.079 --> 01:51:45.239
of entertainment, I can easily pull out my skillet like

2057
01:51:45.319 --> 01:51:47.399
I showed you, pop it into it and then add

2058
01:51:47.479 --> 01:51:49.479
any sort of sweetness you want to it. If it's honey.

2059
01:51:49.640 --> 01:51:52.359
Hot honey is a big thing right now. Maple syrup,

2060
01:51:52.560 --> 01:51:54.960
you just pair it perfectly with cheese, melt it in

2061
01:51:55.039 --> 01:51:58.159
your oven, and serve it with those crackers, your golden.

2062
01:51:58.199 --> 01:51:59.359
What is it about hot honey?

2063
01:51:59.439 --> 01:51:59.520
Is it?

2064
01:52:00.000 --> 01:52:02.920
Everybody's palette now has just gone to something that they want,

2065
01:52:03.359 --> 01:52:05.279
you know, the one little kick every time they take

2066
01:52:05.319 --> 01:52:06.039
a bite of something.

2067
01:52:06.560 --> 01:52:08.920
I mean, look, we love halping up paupers in this country,

2068
01:52:09.000 --> 01:52:11.359
right It's such a big thing. Why not hot honey?

2069
01:52:11.399 --> 01:52:13.399
And hot honey has been like a trendy thing for

2070
01:52:13.479 --> 01:52:17.920
the last few years. I think spiciness really elevates how

2071
01:52:17.960 --> 01:52:20.359
your taste buds taste. Actually, so if you add a

2072
01:52:20.399 --> 01:52:22.800
little bit of kick to something, you taste even more.

2073
01:52:22.840 --> 01:52:25.720
There's like these tertiary flavors that come out, so hot

2074
01:52:25.800 --> 01:52:27.119
honey is just like a no brainer.

2075
01:52:27.479 --> 01:52:29.479
No, I'm glad you said that because I found that too,

2076
01:52:29.560 --> 01:52:32.439
and I'm not necessarily one, and my wife always makes

2077
01:52:32.439 --> 01:52:34.560
fun of me. She goes, you're Hispanic. You're supposed to

2078
01:52:34.720 --> 01:52:36.079
like hot stuff, you know.

2079
01:52:36.199 --> 01:52:36.560
I don't know.

2080
01:52:36.640 --> 01:52:39.560
My ballad just doesn't necessarily warm up to it. But

2081
01:52:39.640 --> 01:52:43.800
you're exactly right. When I do, it does expand the

2082
01:52:44.319 --> 01:52:48.399
taste buds so that you're able to taste other taste

2083
01:52:48.439 --> 01:52:51.359
that maybe you may not because sometimes for me, what

2084
01:52:51.479 --> 01:52:54.720
I look to chef is is whatever is I'm eating,

2085
01:52:54.800 --> 01:52:58.239
and whatever spice does it add or take away, you know,

2086
01:52:58.439 --> 01:53:01.760
from the original taste, it enhance it? Is that a

2087
01:53:01.840 --> 01:53:02.760
good task?

2088
01:53:04.039 --> 01:53:06.039
Yeah, without a doubt. I mean, you can really use

2089
01:53:06.079 --> 01:53:08.520
spiciness and control the level of it, especially if someone

2090
01:53:08.560 --> 01:53:10.880
who doesn't like spicy foods. You can just set a

2091
01:53:10.960 --> 01:53:13.920
hint of it, and then as they increase that threshold

2092
01:53:13.960 --> 01:53:16.640
with spiciness, start increasing it little by little. And now

2093
01:53:16.720 --> 01:53:18.640
there's a point in my life where I cannot have

2094
01:53:18.760 --> 01:53:21.479
anything without any sort of hot sauce or something spicy

2095
01:53:21.560 --> 01:53:24.079
inside of it. I am so addicted to it. And

2096
01:53:24.119 --> 01:53:26.600
I even brought my wife, who also cannot handle heat,

2097
01:53:26.680 --> 01:53:29.159
into starting to eat a little more spicier foods, and

2098
01:53:29.239 --> 01:53:33.039
she's getting it. That expansion of the palate is what

2099
01:53:33.199 --> 01:53:35.359
makes a difference into being able to flave taste even

2100
01:53:35.439 --> 01:53:35.960
more foods.

2101
01:53:36.359 --> 01:53:39.640
Yeah, my son was born I think with a Hispanic

2102
01:53:39.720 --> 01:53:42.399
palate because he can. It's never hot enough. I mean,

2103
01:53:42.479 --> 01:53:45.119
it's amazing. I go, my goodness. I mean, you know,

2104
01:53:45.279 --> 01:53:48.239
he's it, but he's and he loves it, and you know,

2105
01:53:48.359 --> 01:53:51.479
you know, and for me, you know, somebody's you know,

2106
01:53:51.600 --> 01:53:54.119
I love watching people enjoy food. I'm sure you do too.

2107
01:53:54.319 --> 01:53:56.000
I Mean, there's a chef when you're doing something, and

2108
01:53:56.319 --> 01:53:59.039
especially like you say, maybe last minute, the doorbell rings.

2109
01:53:59.079 --> 01:54:00.720
You got friends that come, hey, we're here, you know,

2110
01:54:00.760 --> 01:54:02.600
what do you got and you're pulling stuff out of

2111
01:54:02.600 --> 01:54:04.920
the refrigerator and they're wrapped around the kitchen as you're

2112
01:54:05.159 --> 01:54:08.960
you know, warming something up, and it's just such an

2113
01:54:09.159 --> 01:54:12.199
entertainment experience. And of course when you can share with

2114
01:54:12.279 --> 01:54:14.920
them these great recipes like you have, it's just an

2115
01:54:14.960 --> 01:54:16.039
added bonus, isn't it.

2116
01:54:16.680 --> 01:54:16.880
Yeah.

2117
01:54:16.920 --> 01:54:19.039
You know, I say a world peace can be solved

2118
01:54:19.119 --> 01:54:22.560
with food. And if you're ready, you're gonna you're gonna

2119
01:54:22.560 --> 01:54:24.840
definitely solve that world piece issue we have we're having

2120
01:54:24.920 --> 01:54:27.079
right now. So without a doubt, if you have the

2121
01:54:27.199 --> 01:54:29.720
right foods at the right time everyone's happy.

2122
01:54:30.000 --> 01:54:32.199
Yeah, you imagine we could get our government opened again.

2123
01:54:32.359 --> 01:54:36.680
Chef just with cheeves. I'm just saying, yeah, that's right.

2124
01:54:36.760 --> 01:54:39.760
I sometimes people, we may in our own humanity, we

2125
01:54:39.840 --> 01:54:43.079
make things too complicated. It isn't that complicated. Just get

2126
01:54:43.159 --> 01:54:44.000
some cheese, will you?

2127
01:54:44.479 --> 01:54:44.640
Right?

2128
01:54:44.880 --> 01:54:47.199
Yeah, I can assure you my in laws love me

2129
01:54:47.279 --> 01:54:48.039
because of my food.

2130
01:54:48.319 --> 01:54:51.399
Well, that's it out. Well, thirty seconds left to wrap up.

2131
01:54:51.680 --> 01:54:52.960
You're gonna tell us where they can go for more

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