Dec. 1, 2025

The Bill Martinez Show 12 01 25

The Bill Martinez Show 12 01 25
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The Bill Martinez Show 12 01 25
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Are you ready, Yeah, Okay, let's do it.

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Ill Martinez Live a program about current events, our culture,

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our values, our politics, and our future.

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And now Bill Martinez.

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Well, good morning, welcome six minutes after the top of

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the r right now, Bill Martinez here with doctor David Mantick.

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He's written a new book. JFK was killed by consensus.

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Dealey Plaza was just the final stop, Doctor Mantick. Welcome, Michelle,

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good to have you with us.

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Yes, good morning.

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Well, uh, the JFKs out of here. We are, you know,

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six decades plus later, Uh, you know, the search for

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you know, the truth behind the JFK assassination has developed

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into a cottage industry, doctor Mantick, and everybody has, you know,

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a different idea. What you bring to this discussion is

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so important. As a forensic radiologist and physicists. You personally

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reviewed JFK's original autopsy X rays at the National Archives.

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You used optical density analysis and X ray overlays to

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you know, get down to the truth of the matter,

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things that you know have been hidden from the American people.

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Yeah. So, over nine full days at the National Archives,

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I took hundreds of measurements. In fact, I have three

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full notebooks worth of data. Wow.

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So, and were you surprised that they let you stay

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that long?

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I was a little surprised. I had to twist their

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arms a little bit, but eventually I got in and

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it was a full day each time. I was there

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for nine days.

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Well, this is this has been something you know, you know,

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probably you and I are of similar rage, and we

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you know, I've grown up with the JFK assassination and

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have interviewed probably close to a dozen people, all very

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accomplished and very wise with their own ideas. But still

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we're just you know, I've been waiting for that final answer,

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you know, to the JFK assassination, because there's been so

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much of a false narrative that was dropped into the

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minds of people on that faithful day going forward.

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Right, Yes, during the first week after the assassination, false

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data was planted into the case, and that includes the

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autopsy X rays and the autopsy photographs as well. In fact,

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the official conclusion was based on two items that the

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autopsy pathologists did not even see at the autopsy. One

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was a six point five milimeter apparent bullet cross section

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on the frontal X ray, and the second one was

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a red spot on the back of his head in

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the photographs that no one saw at the autopsy and

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no one saw at Parkland either. So the official conclusion

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is based on two totally illusory facts or facts of fakes.

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I should write, right, fakes, Yeah, facts in their own

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mind that they tried to convince everybody of I mean,

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and the fact that they basically confiscated the body before

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a proper autopsy could be could be affected there in Dallas.

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Right yeah, illegally that was an illegal move.

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Right, And so again this just says where where our

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government is and what is it that they were hiding

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and have been hiding these sixty two years.

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Well, the x rays and the photographs originally would have

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clearly shown that there was a large hole in the

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back of JFK's head near the right occiput. Anybody who

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saw that, and lots of people did at the autopsy

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and at Parkland, they were all convinced that he had

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been killed by a frontal shot. Of course Oswald was

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behind him, so that wouldn't fit. It would clearly mean

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that there was at least one gunman firing from the front.

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Right, because had it been from the back. The hole

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in the back of his head would have been less significant.

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Let's say that way absolutely right, right.

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And so so this is you know, this really is problematic.

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So your analysis of these original X rays reveal the

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trajectory of the fatal shot. It's conclusive, no doubt in

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your mind whatsoever.

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No, let me give you a little example. There were

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three fatal headshots actually, but the one that is most

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obvious from the X rays came in near the right forehead,

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right near the hairline. And the reason we know that

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is that we can see tiny metallic fragments on the

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X rays on both left and right laterals. And you

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don't get tiny metallic fragments from a shot from the rear.

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These tiny pieces do not travel that far. This absolutely

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means they had to come from the front. And when

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you and additionally look at the photograph, you can see

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at the same site a scalpel incision which the pathologists

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made right over that wound so as to obscure it.

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So we have absolutely definitive evidence of a frontal shot

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right near the forehead at the hairline. And we have

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eyewitnesses to this also both at Parkland and at Bethesda,

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where the autopsy was done. This wound appeared in original

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photographs that were taken at Bethesda, so there's virtually no

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doubt that he was hit at least once from the front.

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You said that the scalpel was utilized in such a

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way to manipulate evidence. Was that done at Parkland or

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was that done in DC?

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No, that had to be done at the autopsy. In fact, Boswell,

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who was one of the pathologists, described it quite precisely

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as a quote insized wound end quote. An incision does

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not mean a bullet. An incision means a scalpel, and

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the wound is not caused by a scalpel. A wound

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is caused by a bullet. So basically Boswell gave the

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game away.

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Right, Doctor Mantik. The fact that you had metallic elements

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that were realized there and that you know in the

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part of the skull, does that say also that the

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shot was closer than from behind in the top of

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the building.

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I don't think that X ray evidence tells us how

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far away the gunman was. Now, if that's what you're asking.

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Well, I'm just thinking, why would the metallic show up

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on the side as opposed to from behind. Maybe I'm

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asking the wrong question. Maybe I misunderstood.

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Well, there is a bullet trail of metallic debris that

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extends from the front of the skull going backward. It

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doesn't quite go to the absolute rear of the skull,

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but it's absolutely much more consistent with a final shot. Now,

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with respect to that poster your shot that the pathologists described,

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and I agree with, there is no metallic trail associated

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with that at all.

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Now, clearly this real shot narrative just phase with the evidence,

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doesn't it.

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Yeah, it's totally consistent with everything we know about this case.

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Now, of course, we're in the middle of a Cold

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War in nineteen sixty three. How could that have influenced

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the handling of JFK's autopsy and the public narrative? What

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influence did that have?

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Well, the Cold War was the relevant theme of the day,

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that's for sure. The original plotters were quite sure wanted

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to use this assassination event as an attempt to ultimately

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invade Cuba, so the onus would have fallen on the

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Cubans and indirectly on the Russians as well. However, the motive,

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so the supposed motive, I should say, was changed by

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LBJ and the higher ups because they didn't want to

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throw this into the faces of the Russians. They were

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afraid of what would happen, so they decided instead of

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blaming it on the Russians and the Cubans, they would

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blame it on Oswald, who supposedly had no connections politically

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of any kind. So the whole background of the plot

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was changed streams so to speed.

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Yeah, exactly, Well, we've got to go to quick breaksday

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Welcome back on Bill Martinez. He's David mantic Doctor David

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Mantik Boy. He comes with receipts and with a background

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that is extremely informative. As a forensic radiologists and physicists

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personally reviewed JFK's original autopsy X rays at the National Archives,

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as we reported earlier, for nine days. So as you

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are reviewing all this evidence and seeing the conflict of

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the Warren Commission and other studies that followed, doctor Mantick,

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it almost seems that the studies after the Warren Commission

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didn't really bring any more light. Is almost like they

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a false narrative.

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who actually assumes a rather major role in my book.

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I even record a conversation that supposedly occurred between Nelson

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Rockefeller and Jay Edgar Hoover about how they were going

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to cover this up words and I give the sources

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for that. Nelson Rockefeller, of course was very involved in

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the nineteen fifty three Guatemalak who as well. He had

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huge financial investments there and so he was kept informed

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about each step of the coup, so he was really

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an insider. To make this even more interesting about Nelson Rockefeller,

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he was a very good friend of General Ed Lansdale,

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who I believe was the guy in charge of the

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assassination teams in Deeley Plaza. But of course after the

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Rockefeller Commission, we had the House Select Committee on Assassinations

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in the seventies, who really just threw a lot of

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confusion into this story. And I summarized that in my

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book and then finally, of course, we had the Assassination

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Records Review Board in the nineties, which finally gave us

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a lot of the medical evidence which was very key

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to unraveling this case.

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Antic and of course this is outside of your expertise,

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I keep thinking, we're going to find who was the

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one you mentioned it was Lansdale?

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Was his name, yeah, Lansdale, Ed Lansdale.

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Well, let me insert a very odd fact into this story.

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The publisher my book wrote the publishers forward, and he

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tells us that his father was a colleague of Ed Lansdale.

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What an amazing coincidence. I did not know this when

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I writing my book.

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Right, uh huh So, But you know, I keep thinking,

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we're going to find you know, it's like, you know,

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like with Nixon, you know, you had deep throat, there

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was something, there was some pivotal, pivotal individual who had

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orchestrated this that said, Okay, we've got to we've got

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to assassinate JFK.

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Well, we do have a number one suspect, that's for sure.

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If you're asking that question.

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Yes, I am, I am, I'm asking that question.

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General Charles Willoughby, who was second in command in the

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Pacific Theater during World War Two. He served directly under

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Douglas MacArthur. He knew all the right people. He spoke Spanish,

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so he knew the anti Castro Cubans. He knew Otto Skorzini,

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the master of assassinations, with headquarters in Spain. Willoughby had

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visited there, and Willoughby had worked closely with Lansdale in

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the Philippines to suppress a Philippine insurrection. So these people

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all knew each other. So if you want a number

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one suspect, you cannot find anyone better suited with all

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the right credentials than Charles Willoughby, who also knew Jaeger,

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who were and communicated regularly with.

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Him when he had that kind of force and influence

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to control I mean in this case the FBI and

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the CIA, because when you say consensus again, you know

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everything that I've been reading over the years. Boy, there's

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lots of fingers and lots of conjecture here.

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who and what they believed. Ultimately, LBJ had to be

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the lynchpin, as I would call him behind all of this.

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He had to be in charge of all the cover

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ups in the government agencies such as the CIA, the FBI,

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and the Secret Service. And I outline a very strong

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case that he had foreign knowledge. I don't think he

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had detailed knowledge of how this was going to happen,

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but he knew when it was going to happen, because

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we show photographs of him ducking just before the shots

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rang out in Dealey Plaza.

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Yeah. The other thing that's quite interesting is there's that

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iconic photo of George H. Walker Bush and at that

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point he's with the CIA, and he's there there at

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Daily Plaza.

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Yeah, and he was informed right after the assassination. He

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was kept in the loop by the CIA. That definitely

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was George Herbert Walker Bush. There's no other Bush in

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the CIA who fits that picture. And in my book

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I also very clearly note all the strange and weird

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characters that George Herbert Walker Bush knew and associated with.

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I can't pin this on George. We don't have enough

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objective evidence, but he surely knew a lot of the

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people who were in the background in this case.

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Well. And that's the thing that's amazing is that you

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have this association of people who are aware and know,

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but it's just being able to get something there that sticks.

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It's interesting right now because here in the modern era,

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we have an attempted assassination on a presidential candidate, as

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you know, in Butler, Pennsylvania, and all of a sudden

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they're reporting that this shooter was the lone gunman, and

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it's like, oh my god, this is Oswald DejaVu part two.

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Yeah, the lone gunman rings loudly throughout history. I made

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the point that this month we noted the thirtieth anniversary

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of the assassination of Yitzak Rabin, who happened to be

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in Dallas on the day that Kennedy was shot. Can

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you imagine that? But there was a loan gunman in

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that case, and of course he did not really kill

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Hitsac Rabin either. It was someone else, right yeah.

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And so it's interesting because it seems like it's expedient

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to be able to say there's a loan gunman, right.

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The plotters in this case are sent by the elite

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of their society to presumably save their society from traders,

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so they have to cover their tracks and the easiest

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way to do this is to in it on one

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relatively innocent man, although in this case I don't think

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Oswald was totally innocent. He said I'm a patsy, so

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that implies that he knew something right.

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No, there was no doubt about it. In fact, I

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still wonder between me and you, I asked this question

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if he was the act if he actually was the

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one who killed Officer Tippett.

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No, that's almost certainly not true. There were many doubles

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in Dallas during the weeks and months before the event,

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and almost certainly one of the doubles was responsible for this.

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And we have a pretty good idea who these characters were.

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There were probably more than there was, probably more than one.

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Carrie Thornley and William Seymour are often identified, so I

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show a photograph of William Seymour in my book.

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Was this all attached to the military industrial complex in

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some form or fashion.

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Yeah, the military industrial intelligence complex. I would say these

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people all knew each other. Their relationships were really ancient.

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For example, Burris, Colonel Burris, was the military aid to LBJ.

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Burris and LBJ had known each other for decades. Burris

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was a Texas oilman, so he knew all the oilman

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and he was in the military as well. So Buris

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just knows all these people too, and he was right

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next to LBJ regularly advising him on what to do.

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As you said early on, it's still about the money

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in greed, right.

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Is very important. Yeah, I discussed the money that Bell helicopter,

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for example, made during the Vietnam War. It was many

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billions of dollars, much more than they've made in relative

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dollars than any year since. So money was a very

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big deal. And of course the oilmen were extremely worried

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about the oil depletion allowance. JK was threatening to take

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that away, but of course once he was shot, they

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kept it and therefore made hundreds of billions of dollars

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over the succeeding years. Money was a huge issue for them.

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Right exactly, and as much as Vietnam as well.

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Vietnam was a big income earner for the war related corporations.

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They made money, hands over fists.

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Well, doctor Mantick, cannot thank you enough. I mean, this

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is a great book. JFK was killed by consensus. Deely

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Plaza was just the final stop. As you write, doctor Mantick,

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as I said, is a forensic radiologist, a physicist, and

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personally reviewed JFK's original autopsy X rays at the National

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Archives for nine days. Doctor Mantick, thank you for being

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with us. Appreciate the time.

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Hey, welcome back to America. Bill Martinez here with doctor

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George Barna, the Infamous, the one and only, to talk

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about his latest study that is finding the churchgoers are

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tipping towards socialism and away from scripture. Are you shocked

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and surprised?

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I'm not personally. I mean, it's a continuation of a trend,

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and I've been tracking for forty years. This is just

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the latest iteration of it. But yeah, I mean, nevertheless,

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I'm the reason I keep tracking it is that I'm

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hopeful that at some point Christian leaders will hear some

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of this and they'l say say, oh my gosh, that's

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not the way it's supposed to be. We better do

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something about it. Right, great, let's do something about it.

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Well, it's almost like, you know, it's one thing for leaders,

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but the other thing is the people themselves to say, oh,

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go and you and I talked about this as well.

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I'm going to go ahead and defy gravity because I

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don't think God exists. Okay, And after you have enough

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carnage and people are tired of being stupid and injured,

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they finally say, oh, maybe we ought to rethink these theories, right,

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because you know, again, we're reminded one of the wisest

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the sun. And so here we are. We're in this

475
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human disease factory that just keeps on repeating all this silliness,

476
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thinking that somehow there's going to be a pony under

477
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all that manure that's stocked up for us.

478
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Well, yeah, and so part of what this study did,

479
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and we did this in conjunction with Family Research Council

480
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because they're working with thousands of churches and millions of

481
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individual Christians who are conservative in terms of their political persuasion,

482
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and they want to see the country return to its

483
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biblical roots. Great, But then we do this kind of

484
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research with churched people, and that's what this study was

485
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among people who consistently go to church Christian churches, and

486
00:29:31.880 --> 00:29:36.000
we find that, wow, their worldview is so far off

487
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the mark, even though they're attending conservative churches. They're conservative politically.

488
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You know, We've got a third of them who say

489
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they prefer socialism to capitalism. You've got another quarter of

490
00:29:50.079 --> 00:29:51.920
them who say, well, gee, I don't know which one

491
00:29:51.960 --> 00:29:54.839
would be better, really, you know, And then you look

492
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at their worldview, you look at their views about success

493
00:29:57.920 --> 00:30:02.519
and purpose and sow they and truth and the Bible

494
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and so forth, and it's minorities of these people. These

495
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are our best and our brightest, so to speak. When

496
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we look at the church world, they don't get it.

497
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They don't have a biblical worldview. You know, only eleven

498
00:30:16.000 --> 00:30:19.640
percent have a biblical worldview. So yeah, I mean, we've

499
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got to rethink the entire approach that we're taking in

500
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ministry because it's that whole definition of insanity. Keep doing

501
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the same thing over and over and think, oh, yeah,

502
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tomorrow they'll have a biblical worldview. Tomorrow they'll understand that

503
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socialism kills the culture, you know, No, I mean we've

504
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got to be much more direct and take a whole

505
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different approach. Jesus gave us the approach. It's called discipleship,

506
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and you know, we're simply not practicing it. We think

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programs and big events are the way to.

508
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Go exactly well. And the thing is, I think it's

509
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interesting that we're talking about this topic, not only because

510
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of what happened in New York, but also that here

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we are on the eve of Thanksgiving, and we've got

512
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Thanksgiving week coming upon us here, which I love. And

513
00:31:07.559 --> 00:31:12.519
look what happened with the Pilgrims. They experimented with socialism.

514
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And I think it was quite ironic because here the Pilgrims,

515
00:31:17.359 --> 00:31:21.680
you know, were enscunched. I mean they had bathed themselves

516
00:31:21.720 --> 00:31:25.720
in scripture, in prayer and fasting, you know, seeking God

517
00:31:25.759 --> 00:31:28.279
for some twelve years. Fine, let us have a place

518
00:31:28.319 --> 00:31:31.240
where we could worship you freely. Right, And so they

519
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come to America and they land up end up by accident.

520
00:31:36.519 --> 00:31:44.920
It wasn't their main target in Massachusetts, and they experiment

521
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with socialism, and after two years they go, this ain't working,

522
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and they learned the hard way that socialism. Fortunately they

523
00:31:55.759 --> 00:31:58.920
didn't have to do what other socialists did and murdering

524
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a bunch of people. Because that's the other thing, because

525
00:32:01.119 --> 00:32:03.000
even in the modern air, in the last one hundred years,

526
00:32:03.920 --> 00:32:07.799
socialism or any of the isms, communism, and you know,

527
00:32:08.079 --> 00:32:11.119
the founders of communism said, look at socialism is just

528
00:32:11.200 --> 00:32:15.000
a nano's breath away from communism. So you just call

529
00:32:15.039 --> 00:32:18.319
it what it is. But responsible George for killing over

530
00:32:18.519 --> 00:32:22.319
one hundred million people. Oh so that sounds great, let's

531
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do that, huh.

532
00:32:24.799 --> 00:32:27.680
And you look at all of that and you recognize, okay,

533
00:32:27.720 --> 00:32:31.400
So where does socialism come from. What's its body of

534
00:32:31.440 --> 00:32:35.599
philosophy drawn from? Well, it's drawn basically from marx So

535
00:32:35.920 --> 00:32:39.079
it's essentially Marxism. And what are the key tenets and

536
00:32:39.160 --> 00:32:43.160
Marxism all the things that our forefathers came here to

537
00:32:43.200 --> 00:32:45.920
get away from the idea that there's no God, that

538
00:32:46.000 --> 00:32:48.599
the Bible is not true, that there is no absolute

539
00:32:48.640 --> 00:32:53.079
moral truth. You know, that it's the elites who know

540
00:32:53.160 --> 00:32:56.680
what's best for you, and so we should have no power.

541
00:32:56.799 --> 00:32:59.440
They should have it all because they'll make better decisions

542
00:32:59.480 --> 00:33:02.519
for us. You know, all of that proven to be false,

543
00:33:03.240 --> 00:33:06.160
and yet they still tinker with it when they get here.

544
00:33:06.519 --> 00:33:09.920
It's remarkable. Thankfully they didn't take as long as a

545
00:33:10.000 --> 00:33:12.559
lot of other people in America today seem to be

546
00:33:12.599 --> 00:33:15.799
taking to figure this out. But yeah, I mean, we've

547
00:33:15.839 --> 00:33:19.440
got to open our eyes and recognize there is a God.

548
00:33:19.839 --> 00:33:22.920
He is truth. He gave us truth in his word.

549
00:33:23.279 --> 00:33:25.880
He wants the best for you, and that's why he

550
00:33:26.079 --> 00:33:29.680
talks about how all of these things need to work,

551
00:33:29.799 --> 00:33:33.720
including his chosen people. In the survey, we looked at

552
00:33:34.240 --> 00:33:39.279
perceptions about, and beliefs about, and interest in Israel, and

553
00:33:39.680 --> 00:33:43.599
we're finding that church going Americans, born again Christians in

554
00:33:43.640 --> 00:33:48.160
America feel no responsibility whatsoever. Most of them, not all

555
00:33:48.200 --> 00:33:51.000
of them, but most of them would say they have

556
00:33:51.119 --> 00:33:55.160
no responsibility Israel. We are the new Israel. We are

557
00:33:55.480 --> 00:33:58.680
the spiritual Church. They are not. You know, they gave

558
00:33:58.720 --> 00:34:03.279
that what but you know, it's like what scriptures are

559
00:34:03.279 --> 00:34:08.920
you reading? So exactly, really need a rejiggering of the

560
00:34:08.960 --> 00:34:12.519
whole puzzle here so that we put it together the

561
00:34:12.519 --> 00:34:14.159
way that God wants it put together.

562
00:34:14.639 --> 00:34:17.360
Well, until we reconnect with God himself. See, this is

563
00:34:17.400 --> 00:34:19.840
the deal. Beginning. Wisdom starts with God. You have no

564
00:34:19.920 --> 00:34:22.760
relationship with God, you just kind of render yourself stupid, right,

565
00:34:23.079 --> 00:34:25.719
I mean history has demonstrated that time and time again.

566
00:34:25.880 --> 00:34:29.639
All right, as sure as if you defy gravity, you're

567
00:34:29.679 --> 00:34:32.880
going to hit the ground. You know, it's the same thing.

568
00:34:33.480 --> 00:34:36.480
It's just built into the cake. God is the source

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00:34:36.480 --> 00:34:39.079
of all wisdom. You think you know better than God,

570
00:34:39.119 --> 00:34:40.760
will then listen to him. Chuckle.

571
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And keep in mind too that when we look at this,

572
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so many people in our churches have thought that because

573
00:34:49.239 --> 00:34:52.880
we're told we can have a relationship with God, that

574
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it becomes a good buddy relationship. Yeah, God's my good buddy.

575
00:34:56.280 --> 00:35:01.800
He understands. No, he understands. But he's not just going

576
00:35:01.840 --> 00:35:04.519
to let you go anywhere and do anything and think anything,

577
00:35:04.599 --> 00:35:08.440
believe anything, which is what the church is becoming. We're

578
00:35:08.519 --> 00:35:12.719
now moving toward that phase where it's all about emotions.

579
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Oh I love God, I feel God, you know, but

580
00:35:16.239 --> 00:35:18.480
I also feel like having an affair with that woman

581
00:35:18.480 --> 00:35:20.800
because man, is she beautiful? But God made that beauty.

582
00:35:21.039 --> 00:35:24.840
He'll understand, you know. He'll cut me a break here. No,

583
00:35:25.000 --> 00:35:27.199
that's not the way it works. He gave us very

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00:35:27.239 --> 00:35:30.800
specific guidelines by which to live, which is why the

585
00:35:30.840 --> 00:35:35.480
Bible alone, among all the books in history, has persisted

586
00:35:35.719 --> 00:35:39.480
accurately over the course of thousands of years a couple

587
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thousand years. No other document like that. Why Because God

588
00:35:43.440 --> 00:35:45.800
wants us to have it, He wants us to read it,

589
00:35:45.840 --> 00:35:48.480
he wants us to live by it, because that's what

590
00:35:48.559 --> 00:35:51.719
brings him honor and glory, and that's what enables us

591
00:35:51.800 --> 00:35:56.039
to have that relationship with him. It's not our feelings that, Gee,

592
00:35:56.079 --> 00:35:58.719
I'd like to have God is my good buddy. Well,

593
00:35:58.920 --> 00:36:00.360
that's not quite how works.

594
00:36:00.880 --> 00:36:02.840
Well, let me ask you this, George. Do you know

595
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of a good buddy who is just and right? I mean,

596
00:36:06.280 --> 00:36:08.639
it's just real simple. I mean I don't know. I mean,

597
00:36:08.679 --> 00:36:11.239
I've got some good buddies. I got some friends, and

598
00:36:11.280 --> 00:36:15.760
in the best of themselves, I don't want them executing justice,

599
00:36:16.239 --> 00:36:20.559
and I don't think they're always right. But God, consistently,

600
00:36:20.599 --> 00:36:25.199
to your point, is just and right. And by that definition,

601
00:36:26.199 --> 00:36:28.840
I'm not sure he would be in the buddy category

602
00:36:29.119 --> 00:36:30.119
just saying yeah.

603
00:36:30.440 --> 00:36:33.519
And that's the beauty of him, Bill, is that he's

604
00:36:33.559 --> 00:36:37.360
also forgiving and loving, and so we've got the chance

605
00:36:37.400 --> 00:36:41.599
to be our knucklehead selves and yet still have that

606
00:36:41.880 --> 00:36:45.280
relationship with him. It can be intimate, but that doesn't

607
00:36:45.320 --> 00:36:48.840
mean that it's so intimate that we throw out his rules.

608
00:36:49.400 --> 00:36:53.480
It's a relationship where at all times he remains in charge,

609
00:36:53.880 --> 00:36:57.960
and that offends our American sensibilities here. You know, we

610
00:36:58.199 --> 00:37:00.159
like to think no, no, no, no no. It's important for

611
00:37:00.239 --> 00:37:02.559
us to be in control because only we know what's

612
00:37:02.639 --> 00:37:06.960
right for us. Absolutely wrong, all right. I mean, the

613
00:37:07.000 --> 00:37:09.519
only one who always knows what's right for us is God.

614
00:37:10.079 --> 00:37:12.480
He's spelled it out for us. We simply need to

615
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accept it and live accordingly exactly.

616
00:37:15.239 --> 00:37:17.559
I mean, he didn't set this up to be some

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cosmic killjoy. It's so that it would go well with

618
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us and for us. Stay tuned. We've got to go

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Bill Martinez here and we're talking with the doctor George

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Varna his latest study. George is the director of research

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at Arizona Christian University's Cultural Research Center and the author

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of Raising Spiritual Champions. The website, George, I mean that

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we're talking about here, I mean all these surveys and

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research that you've been doing. The website they can go

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to to study up for themselves, because, as we often say,

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you need to own your own knowledge. I mean we're

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reporting to you, it's up to you to discover for

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yourself and just not take our word for it.

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Right absolutely, So they could go to Cultural Research Center

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dot com, or they could go to my website Georgebarna

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dot com. Whatever is easier to remember, go there. All

711
00:42:18.719 --> 00:42:22.039
the stuff is free to download it, share it, study it.

712
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I mean, you know, it's important to think about these matters.

713
00:42:26.480 --> 00:42:29.480
If you don't think American Christians are getting it right,

714
00:42:29.559 --> 00:42:32.639
good show them the way. That's what a disciple does

715
00:42:32.760 --> 00:42:36.800
is we imitate Jesus and we serve as a model

716
00:42:37.000 --> 00:42:40.400
for other people to see Christ through us through how

717
00:42:40.440 --> 00:42:44.320
we believe, how we behave, and so we teach others

718
00:42:44.440 --> 00:42:47.239
through that modeling. And it's important that we do that.

719
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We've got too few people doing it. So I hope

720
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that everybody that's listening right now is going to say, Okay,

721
00:42:52.639 --> 00:42:56.079
that's going to be my challenge for this Thanksgiving everybody

722
00:42:56.119 --> 00:42:57.920
that I encounter, I want them to be able to

723
00:42:58.000 --> 00:43:00.960
look at me and to see Jesus through the choices

724
00:43:01.000 --> 00:43:03.639
that I'm making, through the words coming out of my mouth,

725
00:43:03.639 --> 00:43:08.360
the relationships I'm building, the lifestyle that I'm manifesting that

726
00:43:08.440 --> 00:43:09.960
needs to reflect the Kingdom.

727
00:43:09.719 --> 00:43:14.039
Of God exactly. Well, the opportunity here again, it starts

728
00:43:14.079 --> 00:43:17.679
with you. Okay, before you can evangelize. You've got to

729
00:43:17.679 --> 00:43:20.559
be filled up with all the right things that come

730
00:43:20.599 --> 00:43:23.960
from God. Otherwise you're going to get your hat handed

731
00:43:24.000 --> 00:43:26.119
to you, and then you're going to get discouraged, and

732
00:43:26.119 --> 00:43:28.840
you're going to say, well, maybe I shouldn't really believe

733
00:43:28.880 --> 00:43:31.639
in this. No, don't be that seed that falls on

734
00:43:32.079 --> 00:43:35.639
rocky ground. You want to be that fertilized soil that

735
00:43:35.760 --> 00:43:39.519
here's the word of God and produces you know, thirty

736
00:43:39.639 --> 00:43:41.400
sixty one hundredfold, right.

737
00:43:42.320 --> 00:43:44.800
Yeah, And you know, Bill, I mean personally, I've always

738
00:43:44.800 --> 00:43:48.199
been an activist. In college, I was an activist. I

739
00:43:48.280 --> 00:43:50.760
came out of college. I was involved in politics, running

740
00:43:50.800 --> 00:43:56.400
political campaigns, you know, serving writing policy papers, all kinds

741
00:43:56.400 --> 00:44:00.199
of stuff meant to change the culture. And for ye,

742
00:44:00.400 --> 00:44:03.320
I was so discouraged because I kept waiting for the

743
00:44:03.360 --> 00:44:07.119
revolution that I knew we needed. And as I grew

744
00:44:07.199 --> 00:44:09.960
up and matured and accepted Christ and got into the faith,

745
00:44:10.239 --> 00:44:13.039
I realized, yeah, it's ultimately a spiritual revolution, not a

746
00:44:13.039 --> 00:44:16.719
political revolution. But I was still so disappointed because the

747
00:44:16.760 --> 00:44:20.480
revolution wasn't happening. People weren't flocking to Christ and living

748
00:44:20.559 --> 00:44:23.920
his life. And finally, one day, you know, we got

749
00:44:23.920 --> 00:44:26.199
out Maxwell's silver hammer, and he banged me on the

750
00:44:26.239 --> 00:44:30.559
head and said, ding, ding, You know what that revolution

751
00:44:30.760 --> 00:44:33.039
is one life at a time. Don't wait for the

752
00:44:33.079 --> 00:44:37.079
big silver bullet that somebody in Washington or Rome or

753
00:44:37.559 --> 00:44:41.760
wherever you know, Wheaton or Colorado Springs is going to

754
00:44:41.840 --> 00:44:44.519
fire and things are going to fall into line. It's

755
00:44:44.599 --> 00:44:46.960
one life at a time. Look at my son, I

756
00:44:47.119 --> 00:44:49.119
sent him to Earth. It was one life at a time.

757
00:44:49.159 --> 00:44:53.880
He took thirteen yahoos and invested three years, three years

758
00:44:54.400 --> 00:45:00.639
in these uneducated by worldly standards, unworthy in the visuals,

759
00:45:01.280 --> 00:45:04.480
until they got it. And George, you need to do

760
00:45:04.519 --> 00:45:07.239
the same thing. And I'm telling you Bill that that

761
00:45:07.639 --> 00:45:10.679
was such a turning point for me to recognize. Okay,

762
00:45:10.960 --> 00:45:15.000
a revolution is one, one person at a time. And

763
00:45:15.039 --> 00:45:16.960
so that's what each of us has to be thinking,

764
00:45:17.079 --> 00:45:21.400
is who's on my list of potential revolutionaries and one

765
00:45:21.440 --> 00:45:23.280
in a time, I got to be discipling them. I

766
00:45:23.559 --> 00:45:25.760
got to show them, I got to live with them,

767
00:45:25.760 --> 00:45:28.079
I got to hold them accountable, I got to model

768
00:45:28.119 --> 00:45:30.280
it for them. We got to talk about these things.

769
00:45:30.559 --> 00:45:33.320
I've got to invest time in them. Why Because that's

770
00:45:33.320 --> 00:45:34.280
how Jesus did it.

771
00:45:34.360 --> 00:45:37.119
That's how it exactly exactly, and at the core of

772
00:45:37.159 --> 00:45:41.039
all this, George, like you said, you experience the freedom

773
00:45:41.079 --> 00:45:43.480
of God. I mean, how liberating you know, to get

774
00:45:43.519 --> 00:45:45.559
to that point going, Oh, I get it. You don't

775
00:45:45.599 --> 00:45:48.800
want me to carry the whole world, right, you know,

776
00:45:49.079 --> 00:45:51.239
just you know, like they tell you when you get

777
00:45:51.239 --> 00:45:53.719
on the airplane, you know, these masks come down. Put

778
00:45:53.719 --> 00:45:56.760
the mask on yourself first before you go in, you know,

779
00:45:56.920 --> 00:45:59.159
up the aisles and trying to help somebody else, tripping

780
00:45:59.199 --> 00:46:02.039
over everybody Else's take care of yourself first, and then

781
00:46:02.079 --> 00:46:05.159
you can be of some sort of value here, you know.

782
00:46:05.199 --> 00:46:10.880
I like what you know talking about representing the gospel, Georgia.

783
00:46:10.920 --> 00:46:13.280
I like what Saint Francis of ASSISI had to say, says,

784
00:46:13.320 --> 00:46:17.599
always preach the gospel and occasionally use words, right.

785
00:46:17.559 --> 00:46:20.239
Yeah, yeah, I love that, you'd have to. I got

786
00:46:20.559 --> 00:46:22.840
great when I went there to a CEC in Italy.

787
00:46:23.400 --> 00:46:26.679
It was just such a blowaway to read so many

788
00:46:26.719 --> 00:46:29.199
of the things that he said. You know, because I

789
00:46:29.239 --> 00:46:31.119
was familiar with him, I was attracted. That's why we

790
00:46:31.159 --> 00:46:33.639
went to the place. But when you get there and

791
00:46:34.199 --> 00:46:38.400
you feel that environment that he was in where he

792
00:46:38.519 --> 00:46:41.039
spent a lot of time outside, you know in the

793
00:46:41.079 --> 00:46:46.159
garden with the birds, right God to speak to him. Yeah, yeah,

794
00:46:46.239 --> 00:46:49.800
you know what, that's what's missing for me personally. I'm

795
00:46:49.800 --> 00:46:53.559
so busy trying to do stuff for God that I forget. Yeah,

796
00:46:53.639 --> 00:46:56.440
God doesn't really need me to do stuff. Let me

797
00:46:56.559 --> 00:46:58.719
just listen to what he has to say and see

798
00:46:58.760 --> 00:47:01.239
where he wants to send me, because I know he's

799
00:47:01.280 --> 00:47:02.719
got a better plan than I've got.

800
00:47:03.400 --> 00:47:07.559
Yeah, and as Jesus said, don't worry when you're asked,

801
00:47:08.559 --> 00:47:12.000
you know about God, I'll give you the words, right,

802
00:47:12.320 --> 00:47:15.639
even when you're being persecuted. And again that's that trust.

803
00:47:15.679 --> 00:47:19.519
But unless you really let go and allow that to happen,

804
00:47:19.880 --> 00:47:23.639
you'll never experience it. Because meanwhile, I mean what Jesus

805
00:47:23.639 --> 00:47:26.599
did for us is in a sense, you know, we're

806
00:47:26.639 --> 00:47:30.320
part of this new covenant. You know, our own our

807
00:47:30.360 --> 00:47:34.639
own bodies are the tabernacle of Christ. I mean, when

808
00:47:34.679 --> 00:47:37.599
you think about it, I mean, we're carrying Christ in

809
00:47:37.719 --> 00:47:41.519
us if we allow, if we allow God to you know,

810
00:47:41.920 --> 00:47:44.960
to be there in us, and and we get out

811
00:47:44.960 --> 00:47:46.239
of God's way, right.

812
00:47:46.920 --> 00:47:50.639
Yeah, and and and part of that is taken the

813
00:47:50.760 --> 00:47:54.159
time to know what we're about. You got to read,

814
00:47:54.280 --> 00:47:57.079
you gotta I'm sorry, let me go back. One of

815
00:47:57.119 --> 00:47:59.880
my concerns is that in America we've got this thing

816
00:48:00.039 --> 00:48:04.280
about read the scriptures, and maybe because it's our work

817
00:48:04.320 --> 00:48:07.280
at a university, but I think maybe we need to

818
00:48:07.360 --> 00:48:10.159
twist that understanding a little bit and say, ah, don't

819
00:48:10.199 --> 00:48:14.599
just read it. You can read your newspaper, study the scriptures,

820
00:48:15.079 --> 00:48:18.199
you know, spend time reflecting on it. This isn't just

821
00:48:18.280 --> 00:48:20.719
something to check off the to do list. It's like,

822
00:48:20.960 --> 00:48:24.440
dive into it and connect the points. That's one of

823
00:48:24.519 --> 00:48:26.400
the things that I discovered when we did all of

824
00:48:26.400 --> 00:48:28.480
our worldview and we continue to do a lot of

825
00:48:28.480 --> 00:48:32.039
worldview research. But one of the reasons why people in

826
00:48:32.119 --> 00:48:35.760
our churches don't have a biblical worldview is that when

827
00:48:35.760 --> 00:48:39.760
we go to church, we hear some good biblical sermons

828
00:48:39.760 --> 00:48:42.800
sometimes and we sit there and we take notes. Okay,

829
00:48:42.800 --> 00:48:45.400
I got the main points, but what we're not doing,

830
00:48:45.440 --> 00:48:49.719
we found is connecting the dots, helping people to see

831
00:48:49.760 --> 00:48:52.719
how all these things fit together. So when I look

832
00:48:52.719 --> 00:48:54.880
at all the research we do, like this current study

833
00:48:54.880 --> 00:48:57.719
and this whole issue about Israel, and it's really troubling

834
00:48:57.760 --> 00:49:04.159
me that's so many of our fellow church goers maybe

835
00:49:04.159 --> 00:49:10.840
fellow Christians are not understanding how important God's chosen people

836
00:49:10.920 --> 00:49:13.679
are to his heart, and so in the survey, what

837
00:49:13.760 --> 00:49:19.199
we found is only six regular church goers said yeah,

838
00:49:19.239 --> 00:49:22.880
I think it's important for us to consistently pray for Israel.

839
00:49:24.519 --> 00:49:28.320
Less than that less than half said, well, I think

840
00:49:28.360 --> 00:49:31.480
it's important for me to talk to other people about Israel,

841
00:49:31.960 --> 00:49:34.280
about who they are, about their history, about what they're

842
00:49:34.320 --> 00:49:39.159
going through, about their importance in the big scriptural picture.

843
00:49:39.920 --> 00:49:41.679
Why don't we do that because we don't know the

844
00:49:41.679 --> 00:49:44.559
big scriptural picture, and so we've got to get back

845
00:49:44.599 --> 00:49:47.679
to studying the scriptures. Where does Israel come up? Why

846
00:49:47.760 --> 00:49:49.639
does it matter to God? Why did he choose them?

847
00:49:49.719 --> 00:49:53.840
What's the difference? You know? Do we know, say Genesis twelve,

848
00:49:54.280 --> 00:49:56.440
you know where God talks about all bless those who

849
00:49:56.480 --> 00:50:00.000
bless Israel. I want it all that you know, exactly

850
00:50:00.440 --> 00:50:02.199
what do you do to bless Israel? Okay, you got

851
00:50:02.199 --> 00:50:04.119
to pray for him, you got to talk about them.

852
00:50:04.440 --> 00:50:08.079
You know. We found that only a third of regular

853
00:50:08.159 --> 00:50:11.960
churchgoers said yeah, I think it's important to invest my resources,

854
00:50:12.039 --> 00:50:16.079
my time, my money, other things that I have into

855
00:50:16.480 --> 00:50:20.719
supporting Israel. Most Christians not willing to do that. What

856
00:50:20.800 --> 00:50:23.559
are they willing to put their money into new clothing,

857
00:50:23.599 --> 00:50:27.199
new cars, new houses, new vacations. All of these kinds

858
00:50:27.239 --> 00:50:31.079
of things rate higher on the scale than supporting God's

859
00:50:31.159 --> 00:50:34.719
chosen people. So it comes back to this issue of priorities.

860
00:50:34.960 --> 00:50:38.800
Do we really know God's word, do we prioritize his

861
00:50:39.039 --> 00:50:43.519
values or do we prioritize our values. So it's one

862
00:50:43.559 --> 00:50:46.320
of these things where when you start to study the scriptures,

863
00:50:46.679 --> 00:50:48.920
hopefully you begin to see the world a little bit

864
00:50:48.920 --> 00:50:50.679
differently in your priorities shift.

865
00:50:51.360 --> 00:50:53.000
Well, no doubt you will. And I can tell you

866
00:50:53.000 --> 00:50:57.079
that was my discovery, George, is that as I began

867
00:50:57.159 --> 00:51:01.039
to really make a commitment to the word of God,

868
00:51:01.639 --> 00:51:05.400
and what really grabbed a hold of me was Jesus

869
00:51:05.519 --> 00:51:08.159
himself saying, Hey, look at I don't live by bread

870
00:51:08.280 --> 00:51:10.559
of man. I live by every word that comes from

871
00:51:10.599 --> 00:51:12.679
the mouth of God. And I'm going this is Jesus

872
00:51:12.719 --> 00:51:17.119
saying this. And then as I continue on that journey

873
00:51:17.400 --> 00:51:19.960
and the Spirit is leading me and opening up my

874
00:51:20.159 --> 00:51:23.119
mind and awareness of what's going on, it was like,

875
00:51:23.599 --> 00:51:25.719
kind of what you're saying here right now, and that

876
00:51:25.880 --> 00:51:29.519
is that you have to be committed to studying, to

877
00:51:30.079 --> 00:51:33.920
you know, chewing, meditating on the word of God. And

878
00:51:33.960 --> 00:51:37.360
we do that because it blesses us in so many ways.

879
00:51:37.360 --> 00:51:39.880
But it also what it does it serves as a

880
00:51:39.920 --> 00:51:43.599
guard rail to tell us when things come up that

881
00:51:43.639 --> 00:51:47.519
are inconsistent, that do not validate scripture, that are in

882
00:51:47.599 --> 00:51:51.360
conflict with scripture. The more you're aware of what scripture says,

883
00:51:51.400 --> 00:51:54.280
that stuff is glaring screaming at you, right. I mean,

884
00:51:54.320 --> 00:51:56.079
like some of the things we're touching on right now,

885
00:51:56.119 --> 00:51:59.840
like socialism, it's like, well, that is like a screaming siren.

886
00:52:00.039 --> 00:52:03.360
But if you're very casual about scripture, oh yeah, that

887
00:52:03.440 --> 00:52:04.400
kind of feels okay.

888
00:52:05.960 --> 00:52:08.880
And related to that, you know, I've been sitting here

889
00:52:08.960 --> 00:52:11.599
looking at all of this data and saying, so, why

890
00:52:11.719 --> 00:52:15.360
don't people read the scriptures? And you know, part of

891
00:52:15.400 --> 00:52:17.320
it is that they don't think it's true, they don't

892
00:52:17.320 --> 00:52:20.719
think it's reliable, they don't think it's relevant, they don't

893
00:52:20.800 --> 00:52:25.599
understand that it's meant by God to be our guide

894
00:52:25.880 --> 00:52:29.239
for making moral choices. It's all in there, if we'll

895
00:52:29.280 --> 00:52:31.800
simply take the time to read it and study it

896
00:52:32.320 --> 00:52:36.559
and embrace it. And so I look at this research

897
00:52:36.639 --> 00:52:39.320
report that I put together, and you know it talks

898
00:52:39.320 --> 00:52:43.519
about how people are confused about abortion. Why because we

899
00:52:43.599 --> 00:52:46.719
have a majority who say the Bible is neither clear

900
00:52:46.840 --> 00:52:50.920
nor decisive in what it teaches about abortion. They a

901
00:52:51.000 --> 00:52:53.840
majority say it's not clear and decisive what it says

902
00:52:53.880 --> 00:52:58.199
about homosexuality. A majority. You're telling us it's not clear

903
00:52:58.400 --> 00:53:02.039
and decisive. That's the phrase we looked at in terms

904
00:53:02.039 --> 00:53:06.360
of teaching us about transgenderism. It's not clear and decisive

905
00:53:06.400 --> 00:53:12.920
when it looks at issues like euthanasia. WHOA, It's only clear, unclear,

906
00:53:13.039 --> 00:53:16.159
and indecisive if you don't read it and if you

907
00:53:16.239 --> 00:53:19.960
don't trust it. So you know, when you say to God, God,

908
00:53:19.599 --> 00:53:21.840
I'm going to take a chance, I'm going to step

909
00:53:21.840 --> 00:53:24.159
out here on the plank. I'm going to go to

910
00:53:24.199 --> 00:53:26.360
the edge of the plank, and I'm going to say, God,

911
00:53:26.400 --> 00:53:30.599
I'm trusting you. Now. Now fill my mind with your truth.

912
00:53:30.960 --> 00:53:33.760
Give him that shot. Because I don't know about your journey,

913
00:53:33.800 --> 00:53:35.920
but that that's literally what I did when when I

914
00:53:35.960 --> 00:53:38.280
was a drastical I was trying to figure out is

915
00:53:38.280 --> 00:53:42.039
this Jesus guy for real? And so I told the

916
00:53:42.039 --> 00:53:43.760
pastor who was telling oh, yeah, is he going to

917
00:53:43.800 --> 00:53:46.039
trust him? It's like Okay, I'm giving him a month.

918
00:53:46.159 --> 00:53:48.800
You think he can pull that off. And the pastor

919
00:53:48.840 --> 00:53:50.960
you know, swallowed hard, but you know, so, yeah, okay.

920
00:53:51.559 --> 00:53:55.320
And so within a couple of weeks after saying to God, God,

921
00:53:55.440 --> 00:53:58.800
you just take me, take me. If you're there, if

922
00:53:58.840 --> 00:54:01.800
you're real, if this stuff that's in this book that

923
00:54:01.840 --> 00:54:04.880
this church just gave me, if this is real stuff,

924
00:54:05.280 --> 00:54:07.559
make it come alive in my mind, my heart, and

925
00:54:07.559 --> 00:54:10.599
my life. And within two weeks, my wife and I

926
00:54:10.760 --> 00:54:13.920
were like, we were giddy. It's like, oh my gosh,

927
00:54:14.079 --> 00:54:16.719
I can't believe this is all real. Why didn't we

928
00:54:16.880 --> 00:54:19.239
know this earlier. We're in our mid twenties. Look how

929
00:54:19.280 --> 00:54:22.119
much time we wasted, you know exactly. But that's what

930
00:54:22.159 --> 00:54:26.119
America is doing. We're wasting our time pursuing stuff that's

931
00:54:26.239 --> 00:54:31.840
meaningless when we've got life being handed to us by

932
00:54:31.840 --> 00:54:33.880
the one who created it. Amen.

933
00:54:34.719 --> 00:54:37.639
He's the director of research at Arizona Christian University's Cultural

934
00:54:37.639 --> 00:54:41.360
Research Center, the author of Raising Spiritual Champions, Doctor George.

935
00:54:41.360 --> 00:54:43.639
As we wrap things up, remind everybody where they can

936
00:54:43.679 --> 00:54:46.960
go to study for themselves and to show themselves approved,

937
00:54:47.599 --> 00:54:50.840
not just for the approval process, but for their own joy.

938
00:54:50.880 --> 00:54:51.480
And happiness.

939
00:54:51.559 --> 00:54:54.159
Right. You know what, that was a trick question. You

940
00:54:54.199 --> 00:54:55.800
were thinking I was going to get my website, But

941
00:54:55.840 --> 00:54:57.760
I'm going to say. The answer is the Bible.

942
00:54:57.599 --> 00:55:00.920
Right still the number one selling book on the planet.

943
00:55:01.039 --> 00:55:03.159
Right. Oh? Man, I wish i'd written that, but it

944
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wouldn't have been number one if I did. Would they

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had his power? His truth? But yeah, yeah, I mean,

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Exactly. And it's okay. You can ask that same question

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of God. You know that God would be real to you, right.

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Absolutely. He's waiting for us to ask it. And the

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problem is that not enough are asking it. We think, Okay,

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I'm pretty smart, you know, I got multiple degrees. I'll

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figure this out. Satan's block and the connection there. I

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mean God to overwhelm that and say okay, George focus.

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Yes, amen, doctor George Barnet, Thank you, my friend, Take

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Getting America back on track. Bill Martinez Live, Hey.

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Good morning.

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Six minutes after the top of the hour, Bill Martinez here.

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Great to have you with us. Also, we've got Michael

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pack And, the director and producer of the Last six

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hundred Meters joining us. He's the president of Manifold Productions

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and Palladium Pitchers. Michael, welcome the show. Good to have

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you with us.

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Thank you. Good to be with you. Bill.

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Well, I want to talk about something you recently addressed,

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and that is the Department of Defense sending out a

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warning to Senator Mark Kelly is that he could be

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recalled to face navy charges.

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What say you, well, christ of.

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All, I want to remind your viewers and listeners that

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they can still get the last six hundred meters on it. A.

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No.

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I'm glad you brought that up because I was going

1003
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to ask you about that, but I want again, a

1004
00:58:00.599 --> 00:58:04.079
let's go ahead and talk about that because some people

1005
00:58:04.119 --> 00:58:06.719
have asked, because of course it was featured, it was

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a big part of veteran's day and the whole holiday,

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so absolutely so.

1008
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It's still available on Amazon and will be for the

1009
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foreseeable future. Well, look, I'm really concerned about that ad there, Ran.

1010
00:58:19.920 --> 00:58:22.320
I mean, I think it was horrible. I mean, it's

1011
00:58:22.320 --> 00:58:25.079
one of those things. I mean, technically, of course, in

1012
00:58:25.119 --> 00:58:28.000
the military they don't have to obey illegal orders, but

1013
00:58:28.039 --> 00:58:30.440
I think there's some standard. It has to be sort

1014
00:58:30.440 --> 00:58:33.960
of obviously illegal. I mean, it's meant to if you're

1015
00:58:34.119 --> 00:58:36.760
like a sergeant and your lieutenant tells you to shoot

1016
00:58:36.760 --> 00:58:39.760
a prisoner, you're supposed to decline. But you're not supposed

1017
00:58:39.760 --> 00:58:44.199
to decide the constitutionality of questions like bombing boats in

1018
00:58:44.280 --> 00:58:47.079
Venezuela or anything like that. I mean, how can you?

1019
00:58:47.719 --> 00:58:51.719
And that's sort of the implication bill. It reminds me

1020
00:58:51.760 --> 00:58:54.159
a little bit like in my neighborhood here in Chevy Chase,

1021
00:58:54.159 --> 00:58:57.519
a very little neighborhood, were those signs were so popular

1022
00:58:57.800 --> 00:59:02.440
during the pandemic. You know, I trust science, Love is love,

1023
00:59:02.559 --> 00:59:06.440
and those are all tautologies, And this is a tautology too.

1024
00:59:06.559 --> 00:59:10.960
Obviously soldiersn'tenough to obey illegal orders, but those tautologies implied

1025
00:59:11.000 --> 00:59:13.880
something else. When they said science is science, they meant

1026
00:59:13.920 --> 00:59:16.719
that that whatever doctor FACTI said they would do right.

1027
00:59:16.840 --> 00:59:19.400
And when these people say don't obey illegal orders, they

1028
00:59:19.480 --> 00:59:23.079
mean question the orders that Donald Trump says and make

1029
00:59:23.159 --> 00:59:24.880
up your own mind whether you want to follow them.

1030
00:59:24.880 --> 00:59:27.880
That's sort of the hidden subtext. And I think that's

1031
00:59:27.920 --> 00:59:31.880
what angers Donald Trump and Pete Hegsaff and right, Lisa,

1032
00:59:33.039 --> 00:59:33.280
and I.

1033
00:59:33.280 --> 00:59:36.440
Think it angers most Americans that voted for Donald Trump

1034
00:59:36.760 --> 00:59:40.559
because they've been trying to recap him since day one.

1035
00:59:40.679 --> 00:59:42.440
I mean, this has been going on for years, and

1036
00:59:42.480 --> 00:59:44.519
we're kind of fed up with this. I mean, we've

1037
00:59:44.519 --> 00:59:46.960
got a country to save here, get back on track,

1038
00:59:47.480 --> 00:59:51.239
and all they can do is, you know, put a

1039
00:59:51.280 --> 00:59:55.480
stick in his spoke, so to speak, and trip him

1040
00:59:55.559 --> 00:59:58.280
up here and of course right now, I mean, if

1041
00:59:58.320 --> 01:00:03.199
that wasn't bad enough, here, we're talking a president who

1042
01:00:03.280 --> 01:00:07.599
already had an attempted assassination on him. The rhetoric that

1043
01:00:07.679 --> 01:00:10.840
they have been dishing out that he's a fascist, he's Hitler,

1044
01:00:11.199 --> 01:00:13.440
and this, I mean, this is very dangerous. And so

1045
01:00:13.880 --> 01:00:17.079
this is another one of those arrows in the quiver

1046
01:00:17.639 --> 01:00:22.960
that are targeted for Donald Trump. And I don't even

1047
01:00:23.039 --> 01:00:26.079
think that for a moment that they're considering what this

1048
01:00:26.119 --> 01:00:27.960
would do to our country. I mean, here we are

1049
01:00:28.920 --> 01:00:32.159
month of November. We remember sixty two years ago with

1050
01:00:32.239 --> 01:00:35.960
the assassination of JFK and what it did to this country.

1051
01:00:36.280 --> 01:00:40.320
Could you imagine an assassination of Donald Trump right now?

1052
01:00:40.559 --> 01:00:42.079
What this would do to America?

1053
01:00:42.719 --> 01:00:46.039
I cannot imagine, or if the two earlier assassination attempts

1054
01:00:46.079 --> 01:00:50.280
had been successful. Yes, I mean no, it is very horrible.

1055
01:00:50.840 --> 01:00:54.119
I agree, it's very destabilizing. In my film The Last

1056
01:00:54.159 --> 01:00:57.599
six hundred Meters, lots of these marines got orders they

1057
01:00:57.599 --> 01:00:58.159
didn't like.

1058
01:00:58.360 --> 01:00:59.480
And they thought were wrong.

1059
01:01:01.519 --> 01:01:03.400
But and you could see it in the film as

1060
01:01:03.400 --> 01:01:07.000
they expressed their anger at being told, in particular not

1061
01:01:07.079 --> 01:01:10.360
to finish the fight in Nu jaff and Fallujah, but

1062
01:01:10.440 --> 01:01:13.519
they did what they were told. I mean, that idea

1063
01:01:13.559 --> 01:01:17.480
where they can start questioning these things is really it's

1064
01:01:18.039 --> 01:01:21.599
it's dangerous at a very deep level, and it's a

1065
01:01:21.679 --> 01:01:24.239
it's and it's disconcerting to the you know, it puts

1066
01:01:24.280 --> 01:01:27.320
these servicemen in a terrible, terrible position.

1067
01:01:27.400 --> 01:01:30.320
Exactly, you know, And watching that in the movie The

1068
01:01:30.440 --> 01:01:34.280
Last six hundred Meters, it was reminiscent of Vietnam. I'm

1069
01:01:34.280 --> 01:01:36.960
a Vietnam era vet I wasn't in country. I was

1070
01:01:37.000 --> 01:01:40.719
in public relations stationed at Camp Pendleton, California, so a

1071
01:01:40.719 --> 01:01:43.840
lot of information went through and it was very frustrating,

1072
01:01:43.960 --> 01:01:46.760
especially in interviewing the Marines when they came back, you know,

1073
01:01:46.800 --> 01:01:49.599
from being in country, because there was a lot of

1074
01:01:49.639 --> 01:01:53.480
civilian involvement and and it was that same type of

1075
01:01:53.519 --> 01:01:57.119
conflict because what they would do, Michael, they would they

1076
01:01:57.159 --> 01:01:59.719
would go and they would conquer a hill and then

1077
01:01:59.760 --> 01:02:04.599
they would recede, and then the next day the commander

1078
01:02:04.639 --> 01:02:07.239
would tell him, you know, officials would tell him. The

1079
01:02:07.280 --> 01:02:09.000
brass would say, hey, we got to go conquer that

1080
01:02:09.079 --> 01:02:11.320
hill again. Oh wait a minute, we just lost a

1081
01:02:11.360 --> 01:02:14.320
half a dozen of our buddies who are dead in

1082
01:02:14.440 --> 01:02:17.199
body bags because we just didn't. Now we got to

1083
01:02:17.239 --> 01:02:19.800
go back and do it again. And this was a

1084
01:02:19.960 --> 01:02:24.480
cyclic type of thing that happened in Vietnam. And that's

1085
01:02:24.519 --> 01:02:29.320
a whole nother argument altogether with civilians being involved here.

1086
01:02:29.639 --> 01:02:34.039
So you can't blame the military for having that content,

1087
01:02:34.320 --> 01:02:37.719
not that you are for having that kind of consciousness,

1088
01:02:37.719 --> 01:02:41.039
because you go to war to win, you don't go

1089
01:02:41.199 --> 01:02:42.239
to play paddy cake.

1090
01:02:43.440 --> 01:02:46.519
Absolutely, it was really frustrating for all the Marines in

1091
01:02:46.519 --> 01:02:49.480
my film in the very, very similar way. But they

1092
01:02:49.480 --> 01:02:52.480
didn't ever decide that they couldn't. They would just not

1093
01:02:52.679 --> 01:02:56.400
obey orders. I mean, that's look, we have a civilian

1094
01:02:56.440 --> 01:02:59.360
control of the military, and civilians have been screwing up

1095
01:02:59.360 --> 01:03:02.559
the military. The military has been giving good advice and

1096
01:03:02.599 --> 01:03:05.679
the civilian has been ignoring it for hundreds of years.

1097
01:03:06.000 --> 01:03:09.320
They'll keep doing that again. The only solution to that

1098
01:03:09.360 --> 01:03:11.960
problem would be a military junto where the military takes

1099
01:03:11.960 --> 01:03:15.280
over the government and it's run by the military, And

1100
01:03:15.320 --> 01:03:18.840
that's the solution in many Latin American countries, and it

1101
01:03:18.840 --> 01:03:21.960
doesn't work out so well. We believe in civilian control

1102
01:03:21.960 --> 01:03:24.159
of the military. It would be nice if they did it,

1103
01:03:24.559 --> 01:03:28.960
if they were at least, you know, if they did

1104
01:03:28.960 --> 01:03:32.320
it in a way that would win wars. But in

1105
01:03:32.360 --> 01:03:35.079
the meantime, it's not up to the military to decide

1106
01:03:35.159 --> 01:03:37.840
individuals on the front lines, and it puts them in

1107
01:03:37.840 --> 01:03:40.679
a worse position. I mean, if where they're actually asked

1108
01:03:40.719 --> 01:03:43.840
to make those kinds of decisions on whether things are

1109
01:03:43.920 --> 01:03:46.639
right or wrong, or constitutional or ethical.

1110
01:03:48.039 --> 01:03:50.719
You know, you can't think when you're on the battlefield.

1111
01:03:50.920 --> 01:03:55.840
It's life or death, and everything is measured in seconds. Michael, indeed,

1112
01:03:55.880 --> 01:03:59.519
and so for these you know, these are elected officials,

1113
01:03:59.559 --> 01:04:04.079
and Kelly especially, you know, former military himself, he should

1114
01:04:04.119 --> 01:04:06.360
know better. Shame on him for doing this. I am,

1115
01:04:07.039 --> 01:04:10.320
you know, as a as a marine myself. I'm I'm

1116
01:04:10.400 --> 01:04:15.039
just grievely disgusted with him. And I believe that every

1117
01:04:15.079 --> 01:04:17.599
one of them at least should be censured. I know

1118
01:04:17.639 --> 01:04:21.599
that Trump was very emotive about it and uh and

1119
01:04:21.639 --> 01:04:24.119
called it out for what it is. It is seditious.

1120
01:04:24.719 --> 01:04:24.960
Uh.

1121
01:04:25.039 --> 01:04:27.960
And and to put that in the minds, that question,

1122
01:04:28.239 --> 01:04:30.480
and to do it in such a nebulous way. They

1123
01:04:30.480 --> 01:04:33.400
didn't come in and say, hey, President Trump ordered this,

1124
01:04:33.760 --> 01:04:36.480
we deem this to be an unlawful order. No, they

1125
01:04:36.599 --> 01:04:39.760
just send it out there, you know, kind of as

1126
01:04:39.800 --> 01:04:43.119
a just as a you know, a bomb to be

1127
01:04:43.239 --> 01:04:46.039
detonated in the minds of these young soldiers.

1128
01:04:46.360 --> 01:04:49.119
And they were unable to name any illegal order that

1129
01:04:49.199 --> 01:04:52.360
Donald Trump is given, right, I mean, it's not these

1130
01:04:52.440 --> 01:04:54.639
illegal order things tend to be at a lower level.

1131
01:04:54.679 --> 01:04:58.360
If the president does something illegal, the ways to challenge

1132
01:04:58.400 --> 01:05:00.559
it are very clear. You know, you can you can,

1133
01:05:00.679 --> 01:05:03.559
you know, the Congress can challenge it. The Supreme the

1134
01:05:03.639 --> 01:05:06.639
law courts can challenge it. If it's unconstitutional, and those

1135
01:05:06.960 --> 01:05:10.559
and his actions, you know, are being challenged and we'll

1136
01:05:10.559 --> 01:05:14.800
see what the Supreme Court says. So the implication is

1137
01:05:15.280 --> 01:05:18.559
really not to want to go through the normal challenge

1138
01:05:18.559 --> 01:05:22.679
to question a presidential order. I mean, you know, in practice,

1139
01:05:22.880 --> 01:05:25.440
I mean, people have things like the Lieutenant Cally example,

1140
01:05:25.480 --> 01:05:29.599
talking about Vietnam, and although he had no order, apparently

1141
01:05:29.639 --> 01:05:30.719
he did it on his own.

1142
01:05:30.840 --> 01:05:32.159
But yeah, if.

1143
01:05:32.000 --> 01:05:34.599
You're going to murder civilians and you're told by your captain,

1144
01:05:34.880 --> 01:05:40.000
that's one thing. Presidential decisions that are matters of national policy.

1145
01:05:40.599 --> 01:05:40.760
You know.

1146
01:05:40.840 --> 01:05:43.199
The next level down are the generals, and they have

1147
01:05:43.320 --> 01:05:46.039
many ways to challenge it and question it. I mean,

1148
01:05:46.199 --> 01:05:51.840
for example, they can announce publicly and then resign their

1149
01:05:51.840 --> 01:05:54.440
commissions in protest. I mean, they have lots of ways.

1150
01:05:55.039 --> 01:05:56.119
So it really.

1151
01:05:55.840 --> 01:05:59.440
Confuses and conflates lots of things there. And I think

1152
01:05:59.480 --> 01:06:01.880
you're right, it's hard to know what the intention was.

1153
01:06:01.960 --> 01:06:06.079
But and I am also very disappointed in Mark Kelly.

1154
01:06:06.119 --> 01:06:10.280
I mean, you would think that such a decorated marine

1155
01:06:11.039 --> 01:06:15.559
veteran would know better. Ay, Navy, Navy, it was shocking.

1156
01:06:16.079 --> 01:06:16.719
It's shocking.

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Hey, we're back with your nineteen minutes after the top

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of the outright now. Michael Pack the director in of

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the Last six hundred Meters. The documentary available on Amazon,

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and it continues to be so unless we tell you different, right,

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tell different and our.

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Other we've done fifteen films. They're all available on one

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of our two websites, Manifold Productions dot com or Plading

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Pictures dot com. And we have one other one on

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military themes. We did a biography of Admiral Ricover, who's

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a very different kind of hero, a Navy hero and

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an engineer hero rather than a combat veteran hero. But

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important if you want to do something like win the

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Cold War.

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Yeah, without a doubt. Six hundred Meters won the highest

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honors at the GI Film Festival in DC and the

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Hudson Institute Film Festival in New York City. As a

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quick summary, Michael, I want to give you a little

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bit more time for people that have heard about six

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hundred meters but not really sure what it's all about.

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Well, the last six hundred meters the battles of Najaffan Fallujah.

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Attempt to tell the stories of those two battles, which

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were the biggest battles in America has fought since Vietnam,

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and we want to tell it from the point of

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view of the people who fought there, sort of ground truth.

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It's called the last six hundred meters because the Special

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Forces snipers says, I don't.

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Make foreign policy.

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I delivered the last six hundred meters of it, meaning

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what he could see through his sniperscope. And that's what

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we did. We didn't go into the question of should

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we have been in Iraq, whether weapons of mass destruction

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or any of those questions. We looked at it from

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the point of view of the people on the ground,

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from corporals and sergeants up to sort of one star generals.

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Who are in the field.

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And I think it's important to understand what those veterans

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went through, just like the veterans of the Vietnam War

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were I think ignored and even mistreated for many years.

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People are clouded, you know, they're mixed feelings or negative

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feelings about the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. I think

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have detracted from appreciation of the heroism and valor of

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the young men and women who fought there.

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Yeah, that followed orders, you know, and many in Vietnam

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01:13:04.439 --> 01:13:07.600
were there because of the draft. They didn't want to

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be there, and and of course the way it was

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reported on you know, back home, the mainstream media, how

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they all contributed to this thing. I mean, it really is.

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You know sometimes you know, the idea of freedom of

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the press. I get this, our constitution, I love it.

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I you know, I went into the military to defend

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the constitution and our right for freedom of the press

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and free speech. But you know, there it doesn't go

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without responsibility. And I think that they contributed to some

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of the damage and why many Vietnam vets came back

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to the country with their heads hanging low.

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That is very true.

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The media and the elites, American elites, you know, really

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mischaracterized the war and mischaracterized what the American servicemen and

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women were doing over there. Absolutely, and it's the same

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in Iraq and Afghanistan. I mean they're not they don't

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get there's only a focus on things like Abu Grab

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and Haditha and PTSD.

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But these people were there.

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Representing America and doing what we told them to do

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and putting their lives on the line, and some of them,

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you know, giving the ultimate sacrifice and many many more wounded,

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and you can see it in our film. And we

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need to understand and appreciate their service. It's not a

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matter of whether you think presidents were right or wrong

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and sending them over there and directing them. It's a

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matter of what they did on the ground.

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Well, I believe that what our leaders did can be

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adjudicated in a different documentary indeed, right, But this is

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what makes the last six hundred meters so special because

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it's from the ground floor level. It's from the soldier's

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perspective and their point of view. And when you consider

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Michael that probably I think it's about one percent. Some

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01:15:05.119 --> 01:15:08.560
have said less than one percent of citizens in America,

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you know, enter the military. Much less than a fraction

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01:15:13.319 --> 01:15:17.000
of them are actually in a combat zone, indeed, you know,

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so it's very very unique.

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It's right, we need to appreciate them those that are

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in the combat zone. And I'm my family is one

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of the ones that didn't have a traditional military service,

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So it was eye opening for me to meet talk

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01:15:30.520 --> 01:15:33.319
and understand these people, and I let them tell their story.

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01:15:33.520 --> 01:15:36.039
They look right at the camera, they talk in the

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01:15:36.039 --> 01:15:39.039
first person of what they did. We show the footage

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01:15:39.119 --> 01:15:42.359
of those same people in combat doing the things they're

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01:15:42.359 --> 01:15:45.840
talking about on camera. And I think these are I mean,

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01:15:45.880 --> 01:15:50.079
on top of everything else, these are powerful, exciting, compelling stories.

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01:15:50.600 --> 01:15:53.079
You know, people have been fascinated by war stories from

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01:15:53.079 --> 01:15:57.800
the Iliad to Shakespeare to today, and I think they're

1342
01:15:57.840 --> 01:16:00.319
I mean, it's not like it's I feel will us

1343
01:16:00.319 --> 01:16:03.640
an exciting film in addition to telling an important story.

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01:16:04.199 --> 01:16:07.119
Well, the other thing that comes out in this as well, Michael,

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01:16:07.199 --> 01:16:12.159
is that these young men and women who enter the military,

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01:16:12.319 --> 01:16:15.119
they're not a bunch of bozos. I mean, they're well trained.

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01:16:15.279 --> 01:16:19.119
I mean, they are so singularly focused. This is why

1348
01:16:19.479 --> 01:16:25.359
our military has to be treated with such a high

1349
01:16:25.479 --> 01:16:30.119
level of respect that something like especially Mark Kelly and

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01:16:30.600 --> 01:16:35.920
people in elected office should be should have a more

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01:16:35.960 --> 01:16:38.680
heightened awareness. It's one thing to come from you know,

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01:16:38.760 --> 01:16:43.159
some casual citizen that doesn't really understand, but when you

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01:16:43.239 --> 01:16:45.960
are an elected official, and especially like I said with

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01:16:46.039 --> 01:16:48.880
Senator Kelly, who raised his hand took the oath of

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01:16:48.880 --> 01:16:52.039
office that he lives under to this day, because anybody

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01:16:52.039 --> 01:16:54.560
that takes the oath of office in the military, it's

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01:16:54.640 --> 01:16:58.119
till it's till the day you die, that oath is

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01:16:58.159 --> 01:17:02.840
in force to protect and defend our constitution against all enemies,

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01:17:03.039 --> 01:17:06.159
foreign and domestic. And now what they've done is these

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01:17:06.680 --> 01:17:09.439
you know, some have referred to them as the seditious Six.

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01:17:10.000 --> 01:17:14.560
They have become enemies of our own country. They are

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01:17:14.720 --> 01:17:20.640
domestic enemies by virtue of being irresponsible with their right

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01:17:20.720 --> 01:17:21.520
of free speech.

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It's very shocking. I mean it used to be said,

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01:17:24.800 --> 01:17:26.760
and I think it's still true that you know, this

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01:17:26.880 --> 01:17:30.760
is even now. A historically small percentage of the people

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01:17:31.039 --> 01:17:34.800
in the Senate in Congress have served in the military.

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01:17:34.840 --> 01:17:36.720
I mean during the period where there was a draft,

1369
01:17:36.760 --> 01:17:38.319
it was much higher in a lot of World War

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01:17:38.359 --> 01:17:41.640
Two veterans. So you'd think that these veterans, these six

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01:17:41.680 --> 01:17:44.880
people who are veterans, they would provide the other view.

1372
01:17:45.279 --> 01:17:48.039
So it's pretty shocking that they come out this way,

1373
01:17:48.079 --> 01:17:51.560
and it seems pretty nakedly political because they have nothing.

1374
01:17:51.399 --> 01:17:52.359
Oh you back it up.

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01:17:52.600 --> 01:17:55.319
They have no they can't cite any illegal orders from

1376
01:17:55.359 --> 01:17:58.680
Donald Trump. You know, they can't really specify what they

1377
01:17:58.720 --> 01:18:00.960
want from what they've done. I mean it was a

1378
01:18:01.039 --> 01:18:03.239
very On the other hand, as a filmmaker, I do

1379
01:18:03.319 --> 01:18:06.720
think it was a pretty well made, powerful little you know,

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01:18:07.600 --> 01:18:11.520
ad a spot. You know, it was very strong, it

1381
01:18:11.600 --> 01:18:15.199
was very compelling. It just was wrong, right.

1382
01:18:15.920 --> 01:18:22.039
Yes, yeah, production value is good. Message wrong, yeah, exactly.

1383
01:18:22.600 --> 01:18:24.520
I get that, you know. It kind of reminded me

1384
01:18:24.560 --> 01:18:28.000
a little bit of the impeachment of Donald Trump with

1385
01:18:28.079 --> 01:18:31.800
Lieutenant Colonel Vindaman if you remember him, And to me

1386
01:18:32.279 --> 01:18:35.640
it was I said all along when I heard him speak,

1387
01:18:35.680 --> 01:18:38.760
I go, this is a human resource issue. You know,

1388
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this is something that you know you don't agree with

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your boss. So you go to HR and you say, hey,

1390
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I got a problem. I don't agree with the boss.

1391
01:18:45.319 --> 01:18:47.439
Now it's one thing you know your boss at a

1392
01:18:47.479 --> 01:18:49.319
local level. It's another thing if you don't agree with

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the President of the United States, who is the commander

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in chief. He is your really big boss. So you

1395
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better have your ducks in a row. And he sounded

1396
01:18:58.399 --> 01:19:01.000
to me at the end of the day, so petty

1397
01:19:01.479 --> 01:19:08.680
and irrational. But that's the nature, unfortunately, of political bias

1398
01:19:08.720 --> 01:19:15.159
and animus that that has become so often integrated and

1399
01:19:15.319 --> 01:19:18.680
accepted in our culture, and particularly at this level. So

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I mean there should be a higher level level of

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ethics and behavior.

1402
01:19:25.520 --> 01:19:27.119
I think you're right, and I think that kind of

1403
01:19:27.159 --> 01:19:30.239
thing does underpin Donald Trump's attitude towards it all. I mean,

1404
01:19:30.439 --> 01:19:33.079
I too was shocked by that by all those people

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01:19:33.159 --> 01:19:37.000
testifying against the president. I mean, you expect loyalty from

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01:19:37.000 --> 01:19:39.119
the people that work for you, you know, they should.

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You know that.

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You know that there was a big tradition of the

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people who were for the president, you know, taking their

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complaints and not talking about them, at least not for

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01:19:47.640 --> 01:19:51.399
a while. It was pretty shocking. All these people were

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ready to trash the a sitting president, you know. And

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I think that sense from Donald Trump betrayal that he

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01:19:59.840 --> 01:20:01.359
had that he felt. I mean, I was in the

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first Trump administration, so I remember this rather well. Yeah,

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that sense of betrayal.

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Now he feels it again.

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I think it fuels his anger the betrayals, the attacks

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on him, the assassination attempts, but also the personal betrayal

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by people who are, in this case, we're supposed to

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be defending the military, people were supposed to be defending

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the constitution. People he doesn't expect turning on him. Makes

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you know, fuels his anger. You know, he's had whatever

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it is, ten years of that.

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That's sort of a lot.

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And then on top of that, Michael, you got what

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over ninety percent of that which is reported on him

1428
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in the mainstream media is purposely negative. Ninety percent. Give

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me a break.

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It's really huge. I mean it's it's really incredible. I

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do a lot of things on public television. I listen

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to a lot of public radio. You know, it's only

1433
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one side. It's been years since they really go out

1434
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of their way to entry people that may support or

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like President Trump. The most you get is a sort

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of Republican with Trump derangement syndrome.

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Right exactly. Yeah, yeah, don't they don't You know, there

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are conservatives. They know how to present themselves in such

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a way that they're not so enamored about Donald Trump.

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I mean, they look at it objectively, and it's refreshing

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to hear them. But unfortunately their voices are limited. But

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they're important to hear because we need to have that objectivity.

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We need to have that kind of input into the discourse.

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Don't we.

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Absolutely.

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I think that this dominance of the left and so

1447
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much of the media has been a problem. It would

1448
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be it's dominance from any one side is a problem anyway.

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I see this in the documentary film business. There's a

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huge number of documentaries. There's an explosion of documentaries in

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the last ten years. Netflix, Amazon, Hulu. They say that

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like thirty percent of their product is nonfiction, nonfiction, you know, documentaries, miniseries,

1453
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and it's all from one point of view. It's all

1454
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from the left. I think a lot of it is

1455
01:22:06.640 --> 01:22:08.640
well made. A lot of them are made by friends

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hours on the left that the country is not well

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01:22:11.760 --> 01:22:16.479
served hearing one side of the story. And it's true

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across genres in the media, you know, in the news,

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in print, everywhere.

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Yeah, it's just where we are at this point in time. Unfortunately.

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But you know, as they say, this too shall pass,

1462
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and I can't.

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Indeed.

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Michael Packed their director and producer of the Last Six

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hundred Meters, the documentary still available at Amazon check it out.

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He is the president of Manifold Productions and Palladium Pitchers. Michael,

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thank you so much for being with us, take care

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pleasure to.

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Hey, good morning, welcome back, Good to have you with us,

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Bill Martinez here, and we're going to talk about you know,

1537
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you've seen them, right, the Red Kettle Campaign. It's out

1538
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there all the time outside the stores, you know, welcoming

1539
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the season and giving with joy. By the way, with

1540
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this holiday season is just a real special time, and

1541
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again the annual Red Kettle Campaign reminds us that they're

1542
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there assisting families in need year round. Now this holiday season,

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rising economic pressures are weighing heavily on families across the nation,

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with forty five percent of Americans expecting national economic conditions

1545
01:26:58.760 --> 01:27:01.239
to worsen in the coming year. And in these in

1546
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certain times, the Salvation Army remains a source of hope

1547
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and joy, serving nearly twenty eight million people each year

1548
01:27:09.880 --> 01:27:13.600
through more than seventy four hundred centers nationwide. Is that

1549
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huge or what?

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Well?

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Through the annual Red Kettle Campaign, which kicks off on

1552
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Thanksgiving Day, okay, and with the help of generous contributions,

1553
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the Salvation Army can continue to meet the immediate and

1554
01:27:25.840 --> 01:27:28.880
long term needs of millions of individuals and families this

1555
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holiday season and year round. And we want to thank

1556
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you for your help to that end. With us right

1557
01:27:34.439 --> 01:27:37.760
now is Commissioner Merle Heatwell, the National Commander of the

1558
01:27:37.800 --> 01:27:41.039
Salvation Army, here to talk about the importance of the

1559
01:27:41.119 --> 01:27:44.279
Red Kettle campaign. Commissioner, welcome to the show. Good to

1560
01:27:44.279 --> 01:27:45.159
have you with us.

1561
01:27:45.760 --> 01:27:48.439
Thank you very much, Bill. I appreciate the opportunity just

1562
01:27:48.479 --> 01:27:50.039
to come and share a little bit about what the

1563
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Salvation Salvation Army is doing throughout the year.

1564
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Well, I got to tell you we're so grateful for

1565
01:27:56.239 --> 01:27:59.760
all the great work that the Salvation Army does, the volunteers.

1566
01:28:00.279 --> 01:28:04.079
I mean, this is I mean, this is just an

1567
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incredible campaign that's just become part of the holiday and

1568
01:28:09.119 --> 01:28:10.960
what a way to kick off Thanksgiving right.

1569
01:28:12.000 --> 01:28:16.239
Of course, it's a wonderful opportunity for people to get involved.

1570
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And of course the campaign has been going on now

1571
01:28:19.000 --> 01:28:21.600
for one hundred and thirty five years, and of course

1572
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we're thankful to the Cowboys for helping us get getting

1573
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things kicked off the last twenty nine years and having

1574
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the halftime show to really highlight and let people know

1575
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that it's Christmas Kettle time once again, and we are

1576
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looking for them to provide support to the wonderful services

1577
01:28:38.840 --> 01:28:41.920
that we provide not just at Christmas but throughout the year.

1578
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Why the Red Count campaign this year, especially, why is

1579
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it becoming so important for so many Americans today?

1580
01:28:50.960 --> 01:28:53.079
Well, the reality is that there are a lot of

1581
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families that are struggling right now, and we are seeing

1582
01:28:55.720 --> 01:28:59.039
an increased demand of twenty to twenty five percent of

1583
01:28:59.079 --> 01:29:03.560
those seeking assistance from our local Salvation Army units. We

1584
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know that homelessness has increased by eighteen percent this last year,

1585
01:29:08.479 --> 01:29:12.000
and there are eighteen million families who are facing food

1586
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insecurity and at Christmas time that becomes very crucial to

1587
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them because they're faced in that awkward position of having

1588
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decide whether to take care of their basic needs or

1589
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to provide a wonderful Christmas experience for their children, for

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their families.

1591
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You know, Merle, our natural instinct, instinct as human beings,

1592
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is to give during this holiday season. And it's tough

1593
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when you find yourself more in need of receiving. But

1594
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I remind people that you know, in order to have givers,

1595
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you must have receivers. And the reality, as you say,

1596
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is more than two thirds of Americans they're worried about

1597
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having enough money to pay for gifts this Christmas.

1598
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Of course, and one of the wonderful things about the

1599
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campaign is that if someone is need this Christmas season,

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they can come to the Salvation Army to request services

1601
01:30:06.600 --> 01:30:08.640
that will help them through the Christmas season.

1602
01:30:08.920 --> 01:30:09.560
But they can.

1603
01:30:09.439 --> 01:30:13.399
Also get involved by volunteering and being a part of

1604
01:30:13.439 --> 01:30:17.840
the effort that supports people throughout their community. Through the

1605
01:30:17.880 --> 01:30:21.239
Red Kettle campaign. They can be a volunteer and be

1606
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able to give back even if they don't have the

1607
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means to give a financial contribution this year.

1608
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You know, that's an excellent point because that is a

1609
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way of giving community service because you have what twenty

1610
01:30:32.520 --> 01:30:36.399
some twenty four thousand volunteers at kettles across the country

1611
01:30:36.479 --> 01:30:38.399
ringing those bells right well, we.

1612
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Have twenty four thousand locations across the country. We actually

1613
01:30:42.079 --> 01:30:45.439
had one point five million volunteers that are okay, all

1614
01:30:45.520 --> 01:30:48.159
right in the effort this last year, and of course

1615
01:30:48.199 --> 01:30:51.239
we could always use more volunteers and it would give

1616
01:30:51.279 --> 01:30:54.840
them the opportunity to participate and be a part of

1617
01:30:54.880 --> 01:30:58.159
that Christmas Kettle campaign. And if somebody is interested in

1618
01:30:58.239 --> 01:31:01.199
doing that, they can go to our website at register

1619
01:31:01.399 --> 01:31:04.359
to Ring dot com and they can sign up for

1620
01:31:04.399 --> 01:31:07.479
a couple hours time period to go out within their

1621
01:31:07.520 --> 01:31:10.680
local community to raise funds at Christmas time.

1622
01:31:11.239 --> 01:31:13.760
Yeah, what I love also, and I didn't misspeak. You're

1623
01:31:13.800 --> 01:31:15.920
exactly right, of course, you'd be right. You know this,

1624
01:31:16.520 --> 01:31:19.479
twenty four thousand kettles, one and a half million volunteers

1625
01:31:19.840 --> 01:31:24.239
average volunteer bell ringer raises enough money to provide up

1626
01:31:24.279 --> 01:31:26.920
to two hundred and fifty meals to those in need.

1627
01:31:27.319 --> 01:31:27.560
Wow.

1628
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That's that's impact.

1629
01:31:29.920 --> 01:31:33.119
It really is, and it's something that when you see

1630
01:31:33.239 --> 01:31:35.840
people putting in a few coins into a kettle, when

1631
01:31:35.920 --> 01:31:39.960
you see a couple of dollars being donated, you don't

1632
01:31:39.960 --> 01:31:43.680
always realize the overall impact that that has. But this

1633
01:31:43.800 --> 01:31:48.079
past Christmas season, we raised approximately one hundred million dollars

1634
01:31:48.119 --> 01:31:51.960
through the kettle campaign in those twenty four thousand locations

1635
01:31:51.960 --> 01:31:52.960
across the country.

1636
01:31:53.760 --> 01:31:56.279
Well, tell us about how the Salvation Army meets the

1637
01:31:56.319 --> 01:31:59.279
needs I mean local communities, because that's what's all about.

1638
01:31:59.319 --> 01:32:02.640
I mean, these are in these local communities and they're

1639
01:32:02.680 --> 01:32:05.960
providing meals and serving the local community.

1640
01:32:06.039 --> 01:32:10.000
Right now, that's correct that we do want to be

1641
01:32:10.079 --> 01:32:13.680
able to provide for each local community where we serve,

1642
01:32:14.039 --> 01:32:15.760
and one of the things that we do is to

1643
01:32:15.840 --> 01:32:20.720
tailor our services. So whether we're providing rent and utility assistance,

1644
01:32:20.800 --> 01:32:24.920
whether we're providing food assistance, whether we're providing shelter after

1645
01:32:24.960 --> 01:32:29.079
school programs, whatever it is that we want to tailor

1646
01:32:29.159 --> 01:32:32.319
that to the local community. And those donations at the

1647
01:32:32.399 --> 01:32:36.439
Kettle site, whether that's cash donations or through a QR code,

1648
01:32:36.760 --> 01:32:40.199
or whether they go online to Salvation ARMYUSA dot org

1649
01:32:40.560 --> 01:32:43.800
and give a contribution, they can be assured that those

1650
01:32:43.920 --> 01:32:49.600
contributions will go to support their local community, their neighbors

1651
01:32:49.680 --> 01:32:52.520
who are in need this Christmas season and beyond.

1652
01:32:53.079 --> 01:32:56.039
Yeah, people need to understand, I mean, this isn't your

1653
01:32:56.039 --> 01:32:59.119
grandfather's Salvation Army here. I mean, this is quite an operation.

1654
01:33:00.039 --> 01:33:03.880
Got QR codes, You've got all the technology helping out,

1655
01:33:03.960 --> 01:33:06.880
and you got it down to what you're just covering

1656
01:33:06.880 --> 01:33:08.840
about every zip code across the country.

1657
01:33:08.920 --> 01:33:12.960
Right, that's correct, that we have the ability to really

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01:33:13.079 --> 01:33:16.079
serve across the country in every zip code. We don't

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01:33:16.199 --> 01:33:20.199
obviously have a specific community center in each and every

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01:33:20.399 --> 01:33:23.479
zip code, but we have seventy four hundred across the country,

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01:33:23.760 --> 01:33:28.239
and those centers then serve a wide area and help

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01:33:28.359 --> 01:33:32.319
us to meet the needs in every community throughout the country.

1663
01:33:33.279 --> 01:33:35.880
Right, And as you mentioned, I mean you can pay

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with Apple Pay, Google, Pay, PayPal, Venmo at any Red

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01:33:39.840 --> 01:33:43.600
Kettle across the country and again, or you can visit

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Salvation ARMYUSA dot org. Merle, how is the reception you

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01:33:49.560 --> 01:33:53.399
know for the people that are ringing bells there? You know,

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01:33:53.439 --> 01:33:56.359
because I see that in many ways, I mean, they

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01:33:56.479 --> 01:33:59.880
lift the spirits of those shoppers going into these stores

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01:34:00.640 --> 01:34:04.199
that and I just hope that people are receiving and

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01:34:04.359 --> 01:34:06.680
understanding the efforts. And that's why I appreciate you coming

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01:34:06.720 --> 01:34:09.760
on the show, because people need to be reminded of

1673
01:34:09.800 --> 01:34:13.439
what the Red Cattle Campaign is all about, the service

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01:34:13.520 --> 01:34:17.600
these volunteers are providing for their local community here.

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01:34:17.520 --> 01:34:21.520
Right definitely, And if you've never had the opportunity to

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01:34:21.600 --> 01:34:25.279
be a part of the Red Kettle campaign, you should

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01:34:25.319 --> 01:34:28.800
know that those who are out there on the forefront

1678
01:34:29.119 --> 01:34:32.640
that they are filled with joy in that experience because

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01:34:32.680 --> 01:34:36.560
they see the generosity of people within their community. They

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01:34:36.640 --> 01:34:41.079
understand that they're making a difference in their local community.

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01:34:41.119 --> 01:34:44.640
And it's an opportunity to also involve the whole family.

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01:34:45.560 --> 01:34:47.800
Age can be out there at the kettle and it's

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01:34:47.840 --> 01:34:52.039
a wonderful opportunity to train children in just what it

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01:34:52.199 --> 01:34:55.399
means to give with joy and to have the experience

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01:34:55.560 --> 01:34:58.399
of being generous to those within their community.

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01:34:58.840 --> 01:35:00.680
And Merrell, as you said, I think people would be

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01:35:00.720 --> 01:35:04.960
surprised that there might even be people who are homeless

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01:35:05.479 --> 01:35:09.560
that are ringing the bell because they have volunteered, you know,

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to give this holiday season. And I mean the stories

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01:35:13.079 --> 01:35:16.319
that are behind these bell ringers. I mean each has

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01:35:16.399 --> 01:35:19.880
their own story and they serve as a blessing to

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01:35:19.920 --> 01:35:21.600
the local community, don't they.

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01:35:22.119 --> 01:35:25.159
They do very much so, and it's we have a

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01:35:25.319 --> 01:35:28.479
wide variety of bell ringers that help us throughout the

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Christmas season, and so from the very richest to the

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01:35:32.720 --> 01:35:36.600
very poorest, we welcome anyone to be a part of

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01:35:36.640 --> 01:35:39.560
that effort and to really make a difference within their

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01:35:39.600 --> 01:35:44.159
local community. It's a wonderful way to say we are

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01:35:44.279 --> 01:35:47.840
concerned about people within our community. We want them to

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01:35:47.920 --> 01:35:51.600
know that there's still hope in the midst of overwhelming

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01:35:51.640 --> 01:35:55.399
stress and overwhelming worry, that they can still find hope

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01:35:55.600 --> 01:35:58.800
and the joy of Christmas, both by giving as well

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01:35:58.840 --> 01:36:00.560
as receiving what they need.

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01:36:01.359 --> 01:36:03.600
And you can be a part of this battalion one

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01:36:03.640 --> 01:36:07.520
and a half million volunteers working with the Salvation Army

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01:36:07.720 --> 01:36:10.920
on the Red Kettle Campaign. Remind them role where they

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01:36:10.920 --> 01:36:13.359
can go for more information and to get involved.

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01:36:14.000 --> 01:36:17.600
Well, to specifically get involved in bell ringing, they can

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01:36:17.640 --> 01:36:22.680
go to register to Ring dot com. For all other opportunities,

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01:36:22.720 --> 01:36:25.920
they can go to Salvation ARMYUSA dot org and we'll

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01:36:25.960 --> 01:36:29.000
be happy to connect them and help them to be

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able to give with joy this Christmas season.

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Well, Commissioner merle Well, thank you so much for being

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with us. Congratulations and all the great work that everybody's

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doing on the Red Kettle campaign this year, and we

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look forward to seeing you out there keep those bells ringing.

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with the infamous Curtis House, managing editor of mwsbusters. Hey Curtis, how.

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We're doing good?

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Thanks Bell.

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Well, you got to hand it to the networks. Forty

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three days governments closed, and it took them up until

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the final days to figure out who was responsible for

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the shutdown of our government.

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Right.

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Well, I think it was more of a conscious choice

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01:41:15.119 --> 01:41:20.319
and a decision to It was a conscious decision to say, well, actually,

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you know, we do know who was behind it now

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that it's because the circumstances in which the shutdown ended

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that the Democrats did not get what they wanted. A

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bunch of Senate Democrats gave up the ghosts because they

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saw that Americans were suffering and it was starting to

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affect them. You know, it was starting to trickle up

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the chain toward the elites and the swamp themselves. Because

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flights were being cut because now for obvious reasons, you

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would air traffic controllers and TSA workers not showing up

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because they weren't getting paid, right, and they were still

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having to try and find ways to make ends meet.

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01:41:53.279 --> 01:41:56.279
So I think definitely that tried to uh or that

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01:41:56.319 --> 01:41:59.760
definitely moved the needle a little bit. ABC News did

1819
01:41:59.760 --> 01:42:02.399
try to say that there was no evidence Sean Duffy

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had to cut flights, but obviously they themselves had done

1821
01:42:05.920 --> 01:42:09.880
stories sob stories about TSA workers, the air traffic controllers,

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01:42:09.880 --> 01:42:13.079
about major airports not even having a single person in

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the tower. So you had airline pilots themselves landing their

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own planes and just kind of watching their sixes, you know,

1825
01:42:21.359 --> 01:42:26.760
I mean, it's like crazy. So it definitely was a

1826
01:42:26.880 --> 01:42:30.000
choice that the media made to finally just admit now

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that the game is over, the Democrats were responsible for

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this because they had entire strategy was the one word

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that I saw there.

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Well, the thing that amazes me is that anybody with

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a political iq of a kumquat could see this, you know,

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what was what they were doing. And even early on

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the Democrats said, hey, it's about leverage, right yeah, yeah,

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So I mean, come on, I mean, you got to

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be so ideologically fixed and so by based and you know,

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01:43:01.760 --> 01:43:07.920
self induced unconscious to distance yourself. But at the last

1837
01:43:07.960 --> 01:43:10.279
minute here in order to and this is what the

1838
01:43:10.319 --> 01:43:13.680
mainstream media does all the time when they're out there

1839
01:43:13.720 --> 01:43:16.600
hanging on the limb in order to capture some last

1840
01:43:16.640 --> 01:43:19.880
minute credibility, they go, oh, you know, here we're reporting

1841
01:43:19.880 --> 01:43:22.319
on it. We told you, you know, and like as

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01:43:22.319 --> 01:43:26.560
if all is forgiven. But meanwhile, you know, forty days there,

1843
01:43:26.640 --> 01:43:30.319
am I A not really helping the cause? And meanwhile

1844
01:43:30.359 --> 01:43:33.000
snap benefits are going by the wayside as you mentioned

1845
01:43:33.039 --> 01:43:36.800
air traffic controllers, all other services that we count on

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that the government said hey, we're going to provide you.

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01:43:39.600 --> 01:43:42.279
In fact, they made promises to these people. Hey, if

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you vote for us, we'll make sure we'll take care

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01:43:44.680 --> 01:43:46.720
of you. Right boy, they kicked you to the curb

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real quick.

1851
01:43:48.159 --> 01:43:51.399
Right yeah, And what was it crazy? And let's tell

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you that we found looking at the October coverage of

1853
01:43:55.319 --> 01:43:57.880
the shutdown, so basically all but the last you know,

1854
01:43:58.079 --> 01:44:02.680
ten days or so the shutdown and two weeks and

1855
01:44:03.039 --> 01:44:06.039
less than twenty percent of all stories mentioned the fact

1856
01:44:06.079 --> 01:44:08.760
that it was Senate Democrats who had been voting against

1857
01:44:08.920 --> 01:44:13.760
reopening the government. But as I laid out, they surely

1858
01:44:13.800 --> 01:44:16.520
as soon as a deal was restore enough Senate Democrats

1859
01:44:16.520 --> 01:44:19.880
decided to cave. They can say that, well, Democrats didn't

1860
01:44:19.880 --> 01:44:22.439
see a way out of this. Well, obviously that was

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01:44:22.520 --> 01:44:24.960
obvious to all of us here, and that's why. And

1862
01:44:25.039 --> 01:44:27.119
also what we do with the medi Research Center, which

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01:44:27.159 --> 01:44:29.439
is make sure that people don't forget that people do

1864
01:44:29.560 --> 01:44:35.760
not only recall their last impression of the media. You know,

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01:44:36.159 --> 01:44:38.359
the press may recall those couple of weeks before Joe

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01:44:38.399 --> 01:44:41.960
Biden dropped out after the debate, the media were definitely

1867
01:44:42.000 --> 01:44:44.319
tough on Joe Biden, playing all these old clips of

1868
01:44:44.399 --> 01:44:46.640
Joe Biden falling down and not knowing where he is

1869
01:44:46.680 --> 01:44:50.319
and everything else. And someone might say with the short memory, Oh,

1870
01:44:50.319 --> 01:44:52.920
the media were really tough on Biden. Well, obviously because

1871
01:44:52.960 --> 01:44:56.439
he was in their way. Then he was expendable at

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01:44:56.439 --> 01:44:59.600
that point. You cannot forget the years prior when they

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01:44:59.600 --> 01:45:00.800
said there's nothing to see.

1874
01:45:00.640 --> 01:45:04.319
Here exactly, and they gave him, gave him cover, putting

1875
01:45:04.359 --> 01:45:08.800
the government, we the people at risk, national security issues,

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01:45:09.560 --> 01:45:14.159
certainly economically, you know, with nine percent inflation, the things

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that the media turned a blind eye to when they're

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here to serve the people. I mean, this is why

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01:45:21.319 --> 01:45:25.319
they deserve to lose the influence. They have earned. They've

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01:45:25.319 --> 01:45:30.159
earned it and their credibility along with it, and It's

1881
01:45:30.399 --> 01:45:33.560
it's sad in some regards because you've got some really

1882
01:45:33.600 --> 01:45:37.880
talented people here whose talents are being wasted because of

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01:45:37.920 --> 01:45:38.600
this bias.

1884
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Curtis, Well, yeah, lives.

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Are being affected. People don't want to go into journalism

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because people see the bias and the partisanship, even though

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we need a media in some form because that's what

1888
01:45:51.279 --> 01:45:55.600
makes us different, that's what makes us different from China.

1889
01:45:56.920 --> 01:45:59.000
You know, you look at what the president did with

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the Crown Princess Audi Arabia. Yes he got mad at

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01:46:01.800 --> 01:46:04.399
ABC's Mary Bruce, and oh my gosh, everyone's acting like

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she was jailed and wiretacked when yes, he like attacked her,

1893
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but she still got.

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To ask her questions, you know.

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I mean, I mean, we still need to have that

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in our country, but people are just continuing to squander it.

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And it's all entirely self inflicted. That's one of the

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things that I really dislike Bills. When people try to

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say that people don't trust the media because of conservative

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talk radio or groups like the Media Research Center have

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like somehow poisoned the well that I mean, that's not

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that's not true at all, because they've done this to themselves.

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With scanner after scandal, not just you know, kind of

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more sly sleight of hand kind of acts of bias,

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but with blatant acts of journalistic scandal and Dan Rather,

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01:46:50.760 --> 01:46:55.119
Brian Williams Russia Gate. I mean, you go on specific people,

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they have done that themselves, and there's no real accountability.

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See what we're guilty of is doing what they should

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be doing. They should be reporting, they're not reporting. You know,

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it's a Provacay're not.

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Asking them to become partisan activists the other way. We're

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just simply asking them to present both sides and called

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as they see.

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It, call balls and strikes, right, and and you know,

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and here's all these you think about, all these great stories.

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I mean it's amazing you look back, and you know,

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these people that get Pulitzer Peace Prize awards and stuff

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like that. For some of the journalism, that's just to me,

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it's an embarrassment. I mean, if I was a professional journalist,

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I would be embarrassed because of the kind of slot

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that has been awarded and recognized. But you know, you've

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got people, you know, like ourselves, who are independent yourself,

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I mean doing you know, podcasts and other ways of communication,

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you know, to report on this stuff because you know,

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the mainstream media has left avoid and will not be

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allowed in the universe. And so by the grace of God,

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you know, we've got all these people who are opening

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and coming in and reporting and and doing some I

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think some great, some great journalism independently.

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Yeah, And that's why I always say the Internet isn't

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that positive for all of the issues that we have,

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the the way people can be siloed, the bullying that

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goes on in social media, the body image problems that

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people have because of social media. I will still see

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the Internet is and at positive because the access to

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the world and knowledge is far far more vast than

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if we didn't, you know, whereas before, if you wanted

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to learn something you had to go to the library

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and then look something up, or your family had to

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be wealthy enough to have bought like an encyclopedia instead

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01:48:50.960 --> 01:48:54.079
of Encyclopa Britannica, and if you and then if you

1942
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and then if it was old or if it wasn't updated,

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and those kinds of things, there's barriers to entry. You know,

1944
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you want to talk about equity equality, the Internet definitely

1945
01:49:04.479 --> 01:49:07.439
allows for that, and if it did it, we would

1946
01:49:07.560 --> 01:49:10.039
live in a far less just society.

1947
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Right.

1948
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Well, you know, look at our first amendment, free speech.

1949
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I mean, this puts free speech on steroids, which is

1950
01:49:18.159 --> 01:49:19.840
kind of amazing, you know, you think about it. In

1951
01:49:19.880 --> 01:49:22.279
a short period of time, we went where we had

1952
01:49:22.319 --> 01:49:25.720
all this government disinformation, all this squashing of free speech.

1953
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YouTube was putting everybody and disqualifying them, you know, throttling

1954
01:49:31.239 --> 01:49:34.920
back their ability, their bandwidth and one thing or another.

1955
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I ended up so many times in YouTube jail I

1956
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can't even tell you. And you know, but this opened

1957
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it up. And you know, first of all, I give

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all credit due to Elon Musk in buying Twitter. If

1959
01:49:49.439 --> 01:49:52.800
he didn't buy Twitter and begin to open things up, gosh,

1960
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we'd still be out in the desert.

1961
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Curtis, Yeah, I don't know where we would be.

1962
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And now the left is the one that I would

1963
01:50:00.720 --> 01:50:02.479
say is I mean, they were always kind of in

1964
01:50:02.520 --> 01:50:04.920
their silence. They're even more so now thanks to Blue Sky.

1965
01:50:05.199 --> 01:50:07.920
I mean, right, that's just a complete susspl over there,

1966
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you know. And that's the problem we have with the

1967
01:50:10.680 --> 01:50:13.239
left right now, which is they are like, no, no, no,

1968
01:50:13.720 --> 01:50:16.000
we don't even want to be around other people with

1969
01:50:16.039 --> 01:50:18.920
different opinions. We conserve it as we're used to that,

1970
01:50:18.960 --> 01:50:21.640
we live with that. We recognize the diversity of thought

1971
01:50:21.680 --> 01:50:23.920
in America, and we're okay.

1972
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With that because it's what makes you smarter critics, and.

1973
01:50:26.399 --> 01:50:28.600
It's what makes America great that we have all these

1974
01:50:28.680 --> 01:50:29.600
kinds of opinions.

1975
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But let us.

1976
01:50:30.760 --> 01:50:33.079
They don't want to even be around those people because

1977
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we're so odious.

1978
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Yeah, right, And the thing is about it. I wrote

1979
01:50:37.079 --> 01:50:40.560
a piece on this and relevant to you know, this

1980
01:50:40.640 --> 01:50:43.800
movement of Marxism and what happened in New York and

1981
01:50:43.840 --> 01:50:46.760
in other places in our country, up in Portland and

1982
01:50:48.079 --> 01:50:51.760
you know, potentially in Texas as well. This movement for

1983
01:50:51.960 --> 01:50:55.520
you know, Democratic Socialists is that you know, you know,

1984
01:50:55.640 --> 01:50:57.560
and and it's interesting that it is tied to the

1985
01:50:57.600 --> 01:51:01.680
Democratic Party because the Democrats have this condition, this ability

1986
01:51:01.960 --> 01:51:05.279
to you know, they can see a problem. What makes

1987
01:51:05.319 --> 01:51:07.319
them dysfunctional is they don't know how to fix it,

1988
01:51:08.039 --> 01:51:12.159
and and it makes them dysfunctional and dangerous because their

1989
01:51:12.319 --> 01:51:15.920
idea of fixing it is we're gonna throw money at it. Well,

1990
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and this is coming from a group that doesn't earn

1991
01:51:18.439 --> 01:51:21.600
any money. They don't earn money. They just steal money

1992
01:51:21.720 --> 01:51:24.439
from the taxpayer. So what they do is they steal

1993
01:51:24.479 --> 01:51:27.239
the money from the taxpayer to take you know, and

1994
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support their pet projects. And their pet projects almost one

1995
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hundred percent of the time are tied into vote getting.

1996
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Right, it's it's am I out of touch? No, it

1997
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is the children who are wrong. The Simpsons scene with

1998
01:51:44.840 --> 01:51:48.239
the principle there, and that's where the media are. They

1999
01:51:48.239 --> 01:51:51.199
don't really need to see a need for introspection or reflection.

2000
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It's it's just that other people are not where we are.

2001
01:51:55.159 --> 01:51:56.960
We all know people like this in our live spill

2002
01:51:57.000 --> 01:52:00.560
where it's it's there. It's always someone else's fault about

2003
01:52:00.560 --> 01:52:02.600
why they are not where they want to be. And

2004
01:52:02.680 --> 01:52:05.159
it's a very sad state. Unfortunately, in the case of

2005
01:52:05.199 --> 01:52:08.520
the news media, it's a very powerful institution in which

2006
01:52:08.520 --> 01:52:10.600
too many people have that mindset.

2007
01:52:11.319 --> 01:52:14.840
Yeah, exactly, well, and it's what's contributed to our thirty

2008
01:52:14.880 --> 01:52:17.960
eight trillion dollars of indebtedness and a lot of the

2009
01:52:18.039 --> 01:52:21.319
damage that we're dealing with right now and dysfunction, all

2010
01:52:21.359 --> 01:52:24.600
brought to you and supported by the mainstream, right. Yeah,

2011
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I mean, I mean I had to put it at

2012
01:52:26.359 --> 01:52:28.239
their doorstep, but I don't know where else to do it,

2013
01:52:28.760 --> 01:52:31.000
you know, I think that we sometimes we're too kind

2014
01:52:31.039 --> 01:52:34.840
to them. But again I'm grateful to what NewsBusters does

2015
01:52:35.279 --> 01:52:37.399
in terms of coming on the show and bringing the truth,

2016
01:52:37.439 --> 01:52:39.279
because hey, we can't fix it if we don't know

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what the problem is.

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01:52:40.079 --> 01:52:42.720
Right, Oh exactly, Yeah, I mean that's the first step.

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You got to acknowledge your problem before you can take

2020
01:52:44.880 --> 01:52:47.600
steps to move forward.

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You got it.

2022
01:52:48.680 --> 01:52:53.319
Curtis Howka, Managing editor of NewsBusters at the MRC, Thank you, Curtis,

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to take care be well.

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Always a pleasure, Bill.

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Thanks, you got it.

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