Nov. 28, 2025
The Bill Martinez Show 11 28 25
The Bill Martinez Show 11 28 25
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Are you ready?
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Yeah, Okay, let's do it.
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Ill Martinez Live a program about current events, our culture,
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our values, our politics, and our future.
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And now Bill Martinez.
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Well, good morning, Happy Thanksgiving to you America. Bill Martinez
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here with Grover Norquist, the president of America's for tax reform. Hey, Grover,
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how are we doing.
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We're doing reasonably well. Happy Thanksgiving to.
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You well and back at you plus tax and license,
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because that's what it comes with these days. Although hey,
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look at Walmart and Target says this is a more
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reasonable and less expensive Thanksgiving this year, thank you very much.
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There are prices coming down on a lot of the
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goods that we will see on down from the Biden highs.
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I don't know how many points you get for being
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better than Biden, but better than Biden, much better in
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terms of where prices are. And the presidents relax some
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of the tariffs on food stuffs that should bring it
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down even more.
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Right, And of course I'm looking forward to next year
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when everything really starts kicking in. You know, Besson and
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others are saying, look at hang onto your hats. I mean,
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by second quarter next year will be okay. I know
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a lot of people are still you know, looking at affordability.
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You know, because of the recent campaigns and this sort
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of thing. You know, Trump owned affordability. That's what got
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in seventy seven million votes. But it's like the Republican
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Party have kind of taken that message for granted, and
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it was stolen from them by a good Marxist for
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you know, of all people.
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Right, Well, the interesting issue is affordability means prices are
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not rising faster than your wages. Hopefully they're not rising
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at all or less quickly than your raises. Your pay
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is keeping ahead of inflation. And there's a real challenge
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here as we do this because the Democrats come and say,
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we will take money from a group of people unnamed
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and then subsidize a product college education, medicine, and then
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then the prices will be lower for you. The challenge
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is when you subsidize something, the prices go up because
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the people selling it go, well, we can sell it
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for this much, and now you're giving us this subsidy,
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we can have even more money. Since the federal government
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started subsidizing college educations, it's going through the roof the
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spending night and the same thing with healthcare, healthcare, other
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industries have seen declines in real terms in prices. But
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the two government support is subsidized ones, which should make
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it cheaper according to their theory. And you could you
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could think it through if you missed the second and
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third steps there when people realize, hey, we've got kind
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of a monopoly and the government subsidizing it. Let's get
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rich at the expense of the American people.
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Yeah, because they turned something into a transactional experience grower
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where it's it's somewhat immediate and they feel the benefit
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of it, but they don't see that the problem, you know,
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like right now dealing with health care, that it it
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is accumulated and now here we are where it's on
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life support. Thank you very much. And this is all
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brought to you by the Democrats.
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Obamacare promised you could keep your doctor. That wasn't true.
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Obamacare promised that your premiums for health insurance will go
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down by twenty five hundred. That opposite happened. Prices went up,
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healthcare became more expensive, and the subsidies they're talking about
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to keep prices down are to hide the fact that
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prices are going up and taking it out of your
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pocket in taxes and then acting like they just gave
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you something when they subsidize that which is higher cost
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because of their product. I'm not in favor of many laws,
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but I really like an executive order that Javier Malay,
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the President of Argentina, put outa and that was you
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cannot advertise any government service or product as free. You
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may say it is governments, it is taxpayer subsidized, but
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you may not say we're giving away free phones, or
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free education, or a free car, or any of this
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stuff which politicians love to argue about. And that's why
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the so called socialist from who knows what he really thinks,
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but the socialist who was elected mayor of New York,
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he's always talking about free stuff when what he means
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he's going to have massive tax increases on everyone in
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New York to pay for buses. Free buses. You don't
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have to pay in the city, tax the whole state
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to pay for the city.
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Yeah, everybody should understand that when somebody says free, the
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next thing that should be coming out of your mouth
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is at who's expense?
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Yes? Right, I used to get letters with those stamps
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on them and says there's no government money, it's all
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tax payer money that I don't know which of my
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relatives was sticking that on, but I do remember it
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because I saw it frequently. The left spends a lot
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of time trying to convince you that if they tax
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you and subsidize something, they've done you a favor, because
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if you only look at the subsidized product, this is
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low income, low income housing. It's not low cost housing.
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It's very expensive. When the government builds a house or
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an apartment building, as you can imagine, it's more expensive
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than the private sector, because they don't care it's not
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your money, and then they hand it out as if
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it was low cost housing. It's not low cost.
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It's very high fust Yeah, and it's all a ruse.
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I mean, it's their way of conducting an election, a
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re election campaign. They use taxpayers' money to buy votes,
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and they want us to believe they're the good guys.
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Right, yes, and then they want to raise more taxes
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because the more you subsidize something, the less affordable it is.
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And it gets into this incredible, unpleasant spiral. And that's
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what we need to unwind. This showdown between the Republicans
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and Democrats in Congress over the Democrats closing the government down.
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They wanted about half a trillion dollars to paper over
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the higher Obamacare costs and cost call it they talked
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about a subsidy. Is if they are subsidizing you, the
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checks actually evidently are written to the insurance company, not you.
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Well, and that's why Trump's saying, I want to give
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the people the money. Let's give the people the money,
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let them make their decision, and you know, let the
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capitalist market work, right.
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Yeah, And we need to be careful because there are
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some guys on the staff who said, well, we'll give
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the money to the people, and then the people will
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have to give that money into the higher priced goods
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and services. We can't fix Obamacare, and all efforts to
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will give you the money so you can afford very
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high cost of Obamacare. That has not solved the problem. No,
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that is that is you here alcoholic, have a drink. Okay,
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this is not what we wanted. What we want to do,
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we need to We should be getting rid of Obamacare.
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More politically likely is get an off ramp, go to
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education savings accounts, to religious groups that self ensure amongst themselves.
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Health savings accounts. You're talking about.
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Health savings accounts. Seventy million Americans have health savings accounts
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or beneficiaries of health savings accounts. That number should be
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one hundred and seventy million, and it can be with
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a few tax getting rid of some of the taxes
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the Democrats put on health saving acounts because they want
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to force you into Obamacare.
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Exactly. You imagine you clean up, get all that regulation
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crud out of the way, open up the free markets,
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let people purchase their healthcare across state lines. I mean,
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you could do something in short order. I don't think
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it's going to be a ten year problem. How long
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have we been living with Obamacare over a decade, and
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what a what a pick and mess it's been, and
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the trillions of dollars that we've wasted there when we
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could have already developed a world class program, so much
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so that Congress would want our plan instead of us
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wanting their plan.
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Right.
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Absolutely, and the more choices people have, the better off.
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Your point about being able to buy insurance across state lines.
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Some states are have a lot of political power for
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the trial lawyers, and they want to be able to
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sue everybody on healthcare. One of the things that keeps
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healthcare costs up is the trial lawyers sue a doctor
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executive mistake and then they take you know, millions and
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millions of dollars in beyond that, you know somebody was hurt.
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Fix them. Okay, Then they go no, but now you
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have punitive damages on top of that. That's what the
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lawyers get paid with. That's what the lawyers get paid with.
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And when we go to the doctor and see high
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prices at the doctor of the hospital, the trial lawyers
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drive those prices up. They're the people to be disappointed.
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And now more recently the insurance companies which which fought
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Clinton Care. The Obama people said, well, what do we
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do about the insurance people who keep pointing out that
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it's a bad deal. And the answer was the same
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answer that the British left had the Labor Party when
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they put in government run healthcare. People said, well, how
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are you going to deal with the doctors? The doctors
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all think this is a bad idea, And the answer
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was we will stuff their mouths with gold. They paid
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the doctors lots and lots of money more than they
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could get in the private sector, and the doctors shut up.
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And then they once they were in the cage, the
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door was shut and lot yeah, and they started squeezing
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the doctors. So all the doctors go, hey, we want out.
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You didn't fight it on the way in. And so
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what did the insurance companies do? The Obama people when
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to the insurance company says we will stuff your mouths
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with gold, endorse our product, Endorse our thing. And a
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lot of the insurance companies did, and they get rich
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off of Obamacare. But it's a bad deal for citizens.
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Without a doubt. Got to go to break more from
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