Nov. 27, 2025

The Bill Martinez Show 11 27 25

The Bill Martinez Show 11 27 25
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The Bill Martinez Show 11 27 25
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Are you ready?

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Yeah, okay, let's do an Ill Martinez Live a program

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about current events, our culture, our values, our politics, and

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our future.

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And now Bill Martinez.

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Hey, welcome. I'm glad you could join us.

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Bill Martinez here with the infamous and one and only

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Bill Fetter, the American Minute creator, a best selling.

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Author and speaker. We're going to be talking about over.

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Four hundred years of miracles and blessings that had become

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interwoven in the tapestry of our American history. You know,

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from the pilgrims who landed surprisingly in Plymouth, Massachusetts that

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wasn't their exact target to begin with, to a revolution

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that forged a path for freedom and declared inalienable rights,

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and since its beginning, as John Winthrop described that America

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would be as a city upon a hill that would

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draw the attention of all peoples. And so it has

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right drawn millions of immigrants from all over the world

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to share and the many blessings from God that has

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turned us in to an enviable superpower. Yes, America has

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much to be thankful for, and this Thanksgiving we pause

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to thank Almighty God himself, you know, for our families,

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our country, and the table of blessings from His bounty

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made this be your best Thanksgiving ever that will pare,

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that will prepare us for the most joyful and peaceful

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Christmas season. Bill Fetter, welcome the show. Good to have

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you with us.

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How are you, oh Bill?

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Great to be with you, don't you love that? I

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love Thanksgiving.

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I love it because the way it sets us up

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for the greatest gift that mankind could ever receive from

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God himself.

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Right amen?

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Amen.

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And a lot of people forget the backstory of the Pilgrims.

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So I put together a book.

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It's called The Treacherous World of the sixteenth Century and

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how the Pilgrims escaped it. We can't really appreciate the

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Pilgrims until we realize what was going on in Europe

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that caused them to want to eve in the first place.

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Yeah, yeah, exactly.

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I mean there was all kinds of persecution, and it

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was a process, you know, I think there were what

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they left England and spent eleven years near eleven years

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of praying and fasting and you know, just putting petitions

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before God saying can you find us a place where

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we can worship you and have freedom religion?

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Right?

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Right.

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So the situation in Europe, it was Catholic, and then

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you had the Reformation, and then it got to where

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it's one denomination per country. And so Henry the eighth

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decided to divorce his wife Catherine of Aragon after eighteen

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years she didn't have a son, and then he goes

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on to have six wives. Their fates were divorced, beheaded, died, divorce, behead,

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and survived. Henry the eighth was not a really nice

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guy to be married to anyway. He would persecute people

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that didn't. He demanded that everyone take the oath of supremacy,

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acknowledging the king is the head of the church, and

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so you have after he dies, there's Edward the sixth,

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and then Queen Mary and then Queen Elizabeth.

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But then you get King James.

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And King James had a gunpowder plot to try to

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kill him in sixteen oh five, and then he gets

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paranoid and he persecutes the Presbyterians, the Puritans, the Catholics,

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and the Baptists, and now the Baptists in England are

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the ones that we call pilgrims. So the situation was

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that the Puritans were inside of the Anglican Church trying

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to purify it, and the Baptist separatists said.

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We're just going to meet in secret. We're just going

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to leave.

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And so one group of them sold there and they

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would get caught and put in the Newgate prison where

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they would brand them on the face as a heretic.

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They would ut up their ear. They passed the five months.

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I'll act, if you're caught preaching within five miles of

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a town without the approval of the Anglican government, you're

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put in prison.

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And so they would starve you. Nobody fed you in

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the prison.

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You had to have some friend that missed you, and

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so lots of them died in the prison. But here

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you had the government canceling people for expressing their views

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that were different than the government.

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You know.

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I was with a Calvin Robinson. He's an Anglican priest

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and you may have seen him on YouTube debates at

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Oxford and he since moved to Grand Rapids, Michigan, to

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pastor and I was visiting with him and he said

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that he cannot go back to England. I'm like, why

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he goes censorship laws. Sixteen thousand people are in prison

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in England today. Some for as little as liking a

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post or forwarding a tweet in England today, so I

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went online, sorry, just to say, well, let me do

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a little Google search on this. Sure enough, there's a

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New York Post article. UK free speech crackdown sees up

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to thirty people a day arrested for petty offenses, some

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for retweets.

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And then Steve.

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Forbes writes an article for Forbes Magazine people are being

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thrown in UK prisons over what they've said online. And

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then there's a Finnish prime minister, excuse me, member of

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Parliament finish, and she is having a third time to

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go before their Supreme Court on a Bible tweet case.

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And then in Germany and then and I think.

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All she was tweeting was a verse, right, a verse

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from the Bible. Yeah, yeah right.

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And these countries not too long ago were officially Christian countries.

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And then we were I was in Soul, Korea with

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Charlie Kirk four days before he was shot, and we

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met with a pastor sawn Son, and he's a megachurch

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pastor five thousand members and he was the only one

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not to shut down for COVID in the entire nation. Well,

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he gets a million Koreans to protest the trans bill.

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So this is the government pushing an anti Christian ideology.

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And so he's like, this isn't politics. You're delving into

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the Bible realm here. So I went standing up for

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the Bible, and the president raised his house, seizes his

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cell phones and computers. And then we're meeting with Charlie

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Kirk and he says they're going to arrest me. And

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Charlie says, if they arrest you, I personally I'm going

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to call President Trump, pulls out his phone starts texting

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Marco Rubio. Two days after we left, they arrested him

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and he's in prison today. His Charlie's staff said, well,

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we're going to focus on this. We got one last

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event in Utah. Well, obviously Charlie didn't make it past

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that last event in Utah, but here you have the government.

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There's a headline it says Soul's New Inquisition, the jailing

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of pastors sawn in Korea's war on churches, the largest

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church in the world and Soul Korea. They raided the

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pastor's house there as well, and so the pilgrims experienced

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government wanting to censor their freedom of speech, their expression

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of their religious views, and that's when they fled. So

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that's the setting for why the Pilgrims came over in

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the first place.

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Right, And here today we're getting a little taste of that.

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As you mentioned, Gansha, I mean even this conversation you

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and I are having, because it does, you know, go

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around the world Bill and I know that some people

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are concerned that if they go through you know, Heathrow

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airport that and there has been cases where people are

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making a connection and they get arrested at the airport

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because of something that was said that they consider and

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have determined to be hate speech.

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Right.

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Yeah, the founder of Rumble, a video website, his plane

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stopped in France. The French arrested him not because.

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He broke the law.

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They just said that his platform was allowing people to

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share their views and the government doesn't want people.

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To share their views. So we see this happening.

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The head of the EU is saying we need to

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even censor the chats, and when you're just posting to

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your own friends.

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They want to censor everything.

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This is what dictators want, This is what you know,

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Nebuchin Ezra said, you know, you bouto my statue or

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Aretoria in the Fiery Furnace. So again I wanted to

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give a little backdrop of what was going on in Europe.

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Right well, and you're right, Bill, because we're reminded that

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there's nothing new under the sun.

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And that's the thing that you can count on.

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And this is what makes you such a blessing to us,

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because you remind us of the history. That is often

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said that those that ignore or forget their history are

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We're talking with the bill feeder, the American minute creator

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as we walk down through a history lane of America.

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Okay, Bill, go ahead and pick it up.

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Yeah.

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So I put this in a book called The Treacherous

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World of the sixteenth Century and how the Pilgrims escapes it.

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And so another little trivia is Holland was the most

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tolerant place in Europe. It was seven provinces that didn't

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always agree on stuff, but they would work together in

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an eighty year war of independence from Spain, and then

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they finally get free. And that's when the Pilgrims fleet

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from England to the Netherlands, the seven provinces. One story

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is some of the Pilgrims sold their property and bought

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passage on a ship, but right before the ship take

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off took off, the captain Robdham turned them over the

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police or put in jail. And then another group of

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these Pilgrim separatists arranged for a Dutch ship to sail

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up the coast and they would be waiting in rowboats

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and hurry up and row out and sail away. The

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Pilgrims show up a day early and they're in the

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waves and the kids are getting sick, and the women say,

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can we wait on shore. Well, while they're waiting, the

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ship shows up. The men row out. They're stowing stuff

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on the boat, and someone snitched and the British come

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over the hill and capture the women and children. And

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the Dutch captain says, well, I don't have an army

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with me. Many sails away with the men, and you

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could just imagine those women and children on the shore

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watching that ship getting smaller and smaller till it disappears

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over the horizon. For two years, they passed those women

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and children from one jail and court to another to another.

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Finally a judge said, you really didn't do anything wrong.

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Go home. They go, duh.

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We sold our homes just to get them out of

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their hair. They put them on a boat, send them

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over to the Netherlands. They somehow found their husbands. They're

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over there for twelve years, excuse me, and the kids

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are beginning to assimilate and become Dutch, and they're not

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getting anybody else to come over because they're working three jobs.

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It's really hard. Edward Winslow and William Brewster were printing

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pamphlets and smuggling them back into England. And so the

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King of England had their house raided and seeds their

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printing press, and so they decided to flee, and they

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were going to go to Guyana in South America.

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Boy, that would have made history, Yes.

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William Bradford Wrights. Some had thoughts and were earnest for Guyana.

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Those for Guiana alleged that the country was rich and

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fruitful and blessed with a perpetual spring. But this was

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answered that it was out of the question if they

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should live and do well. The jealous Spaniard would never

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suffer them along and would displant them and overthrow them,

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as they did the French in Florida.

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What's that?

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Well, some French Protestants called Huguenots tried to settle around Jacksonville,

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Florida in fifteen sixty five. Spanish found out about it

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and to kill the men. It took the women and

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children away, and then the Spanish found in St. Augustin Florida.

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But the pilgrim was like, you know, we don't want

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to go anywhere near that area of the world, and

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so they decide to go to Jamestown. Now they got

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blown off course in a storm it's a sixty six

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day journey.

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They're in a five foot high tween.

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Deck in the boat with no windows. It's not a

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cruise ship. And they're back and forth.

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There's no shuffleboard on this or anything like that.

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Right, Yeah, One young pilgrim named John Howland goes popside

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for some fresh air right when it freezing. Waves sweeps

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the deck and throws them into the ocean, and somebody

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threw a rope and he's like twelve feet under and

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he like reaches up and grabs the rope and he's

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pulled out of the freezing North Atlantic and survives.

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Well.

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They get to America and they're five hundred miles away

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from Jamestown. They try sailing south on almost sink and

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the captain says it's too dangerous and goes back to

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Plymouth Rock and says.

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Off the boat.

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And these pilgrims are like, we have a question. Who's

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going to be in charge. There's one hundred two of

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us on the boat, and nobody's been picked by the king.

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And so they decide to take their church government and

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make it their sin government and right, so they're not Anglicans,

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they don't have that hierarchical church structure. They're a little

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small congregation with a covenant form of government that was

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actually borrowed from ansient Israel that first four hundred years

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out of Egypt before Israel got a king. And so

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they take their covenant church government and they make it their.

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Covenant civil government.

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And so the Mayflower compax as we in the presence

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of God covenant ourselves together into a civil body politic,

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a church group becoming a political group.

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It was a polarity change in.

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The flow of power set a top down rule by

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kingdom's bottom up rule by the one hundred and two

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of us. Yes, now it is providential. They did not

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make it to Jamestown. Why four thousand people died in

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Jamestown between sixteen oh seven and sixteen twenty four. They

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had Milarian diseases in Indian tax a matter of fact,

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one winter was called the starving time. It starts off

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with five hundred people and by the next spring only

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fifty are left. Wow, four hundred and fifty people died

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in one winter. And then they had an Indian attack

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in sixteen twenty two. So the pilgrims landed in sixteen

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twenty This is two years later, So the Pilgrims would

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have been there a quarter of a quarter of the

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Jamestown colonies.

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Wiped out by this Indian attack.

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And so it was providential that they didn't go to

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Guyana or to Jamestown Jamestown exactly.

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And I mean, Bill, you had to think, I mean,

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can you imagine, I mean, here they are, I mean

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coming to an unlown land. There was a hope and

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a prayer. They're really trusting that they're hearing from God.

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And these things are cumulative. I mean, you got somebody

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being swept in the ocean by a miracle, he's brought

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back on the boat. They're supposed to go to Jamestown. No,

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they end up in uh in Massachusetts at Plymouth instead

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and are able to escape this. You know, I guess

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anything short of an epidemic or something there that happened

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in James Sound that would have they would have been

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part of the carnage, right.

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Yeah, yeah, So you know it's one of those spiritual

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messages that maybe when we planned something and it doesn't

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work out, that God has a better.

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Plan rights him, right.

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And then one interesting thing is the Pilgrims tried communism

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and rejected it. You're you're like, what, I didn't know

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this part. They had no money and so they had

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to borrow money. A little background. Prior to the Reformation,

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there were no companies because it was a sin of

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usury to pay or receive interest. They had religious what

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they called companies, but they were like religious orders of

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Jesuits and so forth. And then they had town guilds,

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which were, you know, a bunch of rules on how

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to set up a cobbler shop for shoes, you know,

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but no companies until the Reformation. And then you had

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the Dutch East India Company, which is where if you

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you could pitch in money, a butcher, baker, cans, stick

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maker could pitch in money to buy a boat to

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go to Indonesia to look for nutmeg and cinnamon, and

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when it came back you would have a profit and

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you would get a dividend. And if you wanted to

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sell your ownership in this ship while it's at c

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you would go down to the Amsterdam Stock Exchange. It's

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the first one ever in the world. And if you're

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if the ship sank or was captured by Muslim pirates, well,

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they invented insurance companies, and that was the Dutch, and

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so the English started companies and they had the Muscovie Company.

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They were going to go north of Russia to get

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to China and frozen the ice, but then the dog

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sled took some of them to Moscow. But then they

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had the British East India excuse me, British East India Company,

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and then they decided to have the Virginia Company. So

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the background. Initially Virginia was founded by Sir Walter Rawley

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and fifteen eighty four, and he has a settlement in Roanoke, Virginia.

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Which today is North Carolina.

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But he can't bring supplies for a half dozen years

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because of the Spanish armada attacking England. And when they

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finally send a ship back, the entire Ronald colony has gone.

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Somebody carved in the tree Croatan, which is the name

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of an Indian tribe. They later did DNA tests and says, yeah,

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that they all just assimilated, became Indians. And so Sir

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Walter Rawley lost thirty thousand pounds sterling personally, he put

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up the money and lost it. So nobody else wanted

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to take a risk on the New World and so

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they started the Virginia Company, and the company history goes

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back to pirates, and so you would have the English, Dutch,

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French would rob Spanish ships fill full of gold that

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were headed back to Europe, and Spain used the money

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to fight the Muslims to keep them from taking over

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Europe the Battle of La Ponto and the Battle of

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Malta and all the Battle of Vienna anyway, So these

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these pirates would sort of be subcontractors. And so the

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Queen Elizabeth, for example, would tell Sir Francis Drake with

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this letter of mark that you can rob the Spanish

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gold and you can bring it back to England. And

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I'm not going to ask where you got it, but

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I get a percentage. And so they were called privateers.

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That's where Nancy Pelosi got quid pro quote. See it

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all started. It all goes back to that, right, what's

509
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in it for me?

510
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Yeah?

511
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And so with the companies, it would be the king

512
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or queen saying, Okay, we're going to let this company

513
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do business, and they have a monopoly and we're not

514
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going to ask what they're doing in their colonies, but

515
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we get a percentage. When it comes back to England,

516
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and so the King of England gave the Virginia Company

517
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a monopoly for trade in the New World. And then

518
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obviously Jamestown, Virginia had all the starving time in Indian attacks.

519
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But then when the pilgrims wanted to come across, they

520
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had no money. And so the Virginia Company branches off

521
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another company called the London Company. And the London Company

522
00:28:24.599 --> 00:28:28.400
had bylaws that said everything would be owned in common

523
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for seven years, and it was basically a communism. And

524
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so this is what the bylaws said. All profits and

525
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benefits that are got by trade, traffic, trucking, working, fishing,

526
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or any means, shall remain in ye common stock. And

527
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all are to have their meat, drink, and apparel and

528
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provision out of ye common stock. So everybody's work goes

529
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into this pile, and everybody's provision comes out of the pile.

530
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William Bradford said they tried it and almost almost starved

531
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to death. Is the failure of that experiment of communal service,

532
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which was tried for several years by good and honest men,

533
00:29:06.720 --> 00:29:10.880
proves the emptiness of the theory of Plato and other

534
00:29:10.920 --> 00:29:13.640
ancients applauded by some of latter times that that taking

535
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away a private Now, Plato was the first one that

536
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talked about everybody owning everything in common. And it sounds

537
00:29:21.359 --> 00:29:24.759
good till you think it through. Somebody has to be

538
00:29:24.759 --> 00:29:25.839
in the government handing out the.

539
00:29:25.880 --> 00:29:29.519
Comtomy, either either think it or live it through, right, yes.

540
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Right, yeah, yeah, But somebody has to be in the

541
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government handing out the common stuff. And they're always going

542
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to be tempted to give a little extra to their

543
00:29:37.680 --> 00:29:40.599
family and friends, of course, and hold back from someone

544
00:29:40.640 --> 00:29:44.079
they don't like, and it gets discretionary. And the saying

545
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is he who holds the purse strings has the power.

546
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So every attempt that everybody owning everything equally ends up

547
00:29:50.160 --> 00:29:53.079
with a deep state bureaucracy passing out favors to their

548
00:29:53.119 --> 00:29:56.920
friends and weaponizing the government against their enemies. And so

549
00:29:56.960 --> 00:30:00.640
I put this in a book called Socialism, The Real

550
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History from Plato to the present. Anyways, But that was theoretical.

551
00:30:05.079 --> 00:30:07.759
The Pilgrims were the first ones that actually tried to

552
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live out this theoretical owning stuff in common and they and.

553
00:30:11.880 --> 00:30:14.000
How long how long did they try this experiment though?

554
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Was it a year or two years?

555
00:30:15.880 --> 00:30:17.519
Yeah, it's probably like two years.

556
00:30:18.160 --> 00:30:21.039
Okay, but that's why William Bradford says that this proves

557
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the emptiness of the theory of Plato.

558
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Here are these pilgrims.

559
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They knew that they were trying to live out this

560
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theoretical thing that Plato talked about. He mentions Plato by

561
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name that the taking away a private property and possession

562
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of it in community would make a state happy and flourishing,

563
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as if they were wiser than God. For in this instance,

564
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community of property was found to breed much confusion and discontent.

565
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The young men, who were most able to fit for service,

566
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objected to being forced to spend their time and energy

567
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working for other men's wives and children without any recompense.

568
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The strong man or the resourceful man had no more

569
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share of food, clothes, etc. Than the weak man, who

570
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was not able to do a quarter what the other could.

571
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This was thought injustice. The agent engraver men, who were

572
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ranked and equalized in labor, food clothes with the younger

573
00:31:12.480 --> 00:31:17.480
and humbler ones, considered it some indignity and disrespect. As

574
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for men's wives, who were obliged to do service for

575
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other men, such as cooking, washing their clothes, they considered

576
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it a kind of slavery, and many husbands would not

577
00:31:28.240 --> 00:31:31.480
brook it or allow it. Let none argue that this

578
00:31:31.559 --> 00:31:35.079
is due to human failing rather than to this communistic

579
00:31:35.240 --> 00:31:39.680
plan of life in itself. He calls it communistic right,

580
00:31:40.440 --> 00:31:43.079
and then William Bradford goes on, I answered that God,

581
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in his wisdom, saw that another plan of life was

582
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fitter for them. So they began to consider how to

583
00:31:50.319 --> 00:31:52.359
raise more corn on paining a better crop, so they

584
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might not endure the misery of want, like starving through

585
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a winner. After much debate, the governor, with the chief

586
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among them, allowed each man to plant corn for his

587
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own household.

588
00:32:04.920 --> 00:32:06.359
Wow, what a novel.

589
00:32:06.079 --> 00:32:10.880
Idea you plant corn for your household, he goes on.

590
00:32:11.000 --> 00:32:13.440
So every family was assigned a parcel of land. This

591
00:32:13.720 --> 00:32:17.599
was very successful. It made all hands very industrious, so

592
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that much more corn was planted than otherwise would have been,

593
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and brought far better satisfaction. The women now went willingly

594
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into the field to plant corn, and took their little

595
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ones with them, while before they would allege weakness and inability,

596
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and to have compelled them would have been thought great oppression.

597
00:32:35.599 --> 00:32:37.240
Exactly, And so here.

598
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You had, you know, five women made it through that

599
00:32:40.839 --> 00:32:46.000
first winter, all the rest of them died and and

600
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so you have you know, here's the women and their

601
00:32:50.400 --> 00:32:52.960
husband died and their kids are sick, and it's like,

602
00:32:53.359 --> 00:32:55.119
you know, I'm not going to go out and plant

603
00:32:55.119 --> 00:32:58.000
corn today. And then they changed it up and says no, no, no,

604
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you get whatever is grown.

605
00:33:00.799 --> 00:33:03.200
And it's like, okay, kid, we're going to plan a cord.

606
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Today, right, And so so here the Pilgrims tried communism,

607
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and they ought to give this message in New York.

608
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And well in other places around the country that are

609
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trying to embrace this. You're exactly right, Bill, Bill Fetter,

610
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the American Minute creator and national speaker. We're just so

611
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blessed to have him here as we recount the history,

612
00:33:26.119 --> 00:33:29.759
our rich history of America. As you know, we go

613
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into this Thanksgiving week and celebrate Thanksgiving Day with our

614
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friends and families. Bill, as you say, I mean, I

615
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think it's quite interesting because people who are of a

616
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religious mindset and are reading scripture, which these Pilgrims did,

617
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and they're devout in their faith, and so much of

618
00:33:49.839 --> 00:33:53.119
what they did, yes, was scripturally based, but then there's

619
00:33:53.119 --> 00:33:57.160
some things that they derivated from, like socialism like this,

620
00:33:58.119 --> 00:34:01.960
you know this idea and this theory, and I imagine

621
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God's in heaven just looking down going oivey.

622
00:34:04.839 --> 00:34:06.839
You know. You know what I'm saying.

623
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Well, you know.

624
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And one of the other things that people may not

625
00:34:12.199 --> 00:34:16.639
know is it took forty years worth of beaverskins to

626
00:34:16.639 --> 00:34:19.719
pay off their debt for their boat ride to that company,

627
00:34:20.119 --> 00:34:22.280
oh wo. And the reason that it took so long

628
00:34:22.480 --> 00:34:26.519
is one of the ships was captured by Muslim pirates.

629
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That's right.

630
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So Mohammad robbed caravans. Mohammad was a religious leader in

631
00:34:33.639 --> 00:34:38.519
Mecca for twelve years, only made seventy converts. He gets confrontational,

632
00:34:38.519 --> 00:34:41.760
they chase him out of town. Mohammad goes as a

633
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Muslim immigrant to a Jewish city called Medina. Three Jewish

634
00:34:45.400 --> 00:34:48.000
clans let him in and he goes into the minority

635
00:34:48.000 --> 00:34:51.679
neighborhoods and begins to organize a following and get involved

636
00:34:51.679 --> 00:34:54.280
in politics. When his following gets biggest, well.

637
00:34:54.159 --> 00:34:56.960
He's one of the original what do we call him,

638
00:34:56.800 --> 00:34:59.840
the organizers? Community organizers, right exactly.

639
00:35:00.519 --> 00:35:03.639
And then he pressures the Jews to accommodate him and

640
00:35:03.679 --> 00:35:06.920
his followers politically and make a treaty. And then when

641
00:35:07.000 --> 00:35:10.760
Mohammed's followers get confrontational, they get chased out of Mecca.

642
00:35:10.840 --> 00:35:13.920
Now there's lots of Muslim immigrants. They come to Medina

643
00:35:14.079 --> 00:35:17.199
and Muhammad allows him to rob the caravans headed back

644
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to Mecca.

645
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And so it's a little.

646
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Different than Jesus who said, if they take your code,

647
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give them your shirt. Mohammeds was, if they take your house,

648
00:35:23.679 --> 00:35:27.000
you retaliate, take their caravan. It's called victimhood. We're the

649
00:35:27.119 --> 00:35:31.320
victims of their intolerance, and so we're justified in attacking.

650
00:35:32.440 --> 00:35:35.880
And so he gets versus from is Allah that he

651
00:35:35.960 --> 00:35:38.840
gets a fifth of the booty, and then one versus,

652
00:35:38.920 --> 00:35:41.960
Allah has given you the slave girls as your booty.

653
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So the Musliman can have four wives, plus as many

654
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extra women as the right hand possesses, plus if they

655
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die in jihad, they get seventy two women.

656
00:35:52.119 --> 00:35:56.400
And so then he goes I always wondered why seventy two.

657
00:35:56.480 --> 00:35:59.039
You know, seventy two a magic number? Why not fifty

658
00:35:59.079 --> 00:36:01.679
and why not one hundred and two? But seventy two

659
00:36:01.760 --> 00:36:04.800
is the magic number? Do we know why seventy two?

660
00:36:05.599 --> 00:36:08.920
Yeah, Well, the Muslims will say that the Kran came

661
00:36:08.960 --> 00:36:13.760
down in Arabic, but there's actually an early version in

662
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Cereal Aramaic, and there's one little bitty mark that changes

663
00:36:20.039 --> 00:36:21.719
it from seventy two to Raisin.

664
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You're like Raisin. Yeah.

665
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There's a church up in the mountains there and it

666
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has a picture of Jesus with his apostles with grapes.

667
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And he says, I will not eat.

668
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Again from the fruit of the vine until I eat

669
00:36:36.239 --> 00:36:40.440
it together with you in paradise. And so this idea

670
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of in paradise you're gonna have the fruit of the vine,

671
00:36:43.880 --> 00:36:48.440
which in the dry Arab culture would raisins would be

672
00:36:48.519 --> 00:36:53.480
considered a luxury. But whoever was transcribing it, if you

673
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leave one little bitty tick, market goes from Raisin to

674
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seventy two.

675
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Evidence disappoints.

676
00:37:00.719 --> 00:37:00.920
You know.

677
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Here you are ambition.

678
00:37:03.119 --> 00:37:05.480
You're gonna end up with seventy two versions and you

679
00:37:05.639 --> 00:37:07.760
end up with you know, raisins.

680
00:37:08.079 --> 00:37:12.400
Uh. Yeah, And I don't know why selling me.

681
00:37:12.519 --> 00:37:15.000
I think that that might frustrate me a little bit.

682
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But you know, thanks for clearing that up. I've just

683
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always wondered, you know what the magic number was behind

684
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seventy two.

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Andy, we're talking with Bill Better, the American Minute creator.

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Hey, Bill, As, we are going here for just a moment.

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You know, I've always bragged about you, and I'm just

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so grateful for our relationship and.

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I'm grateful for everything that you.

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Do for American Minute that I always want to share

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your genius, your you know, your talents and your gifts

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with our audience. And I always recommend I tell people,

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you know, the American Minute is something that I I'm

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almost evangelistic for it. I myself, I look to it

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on a daily basis. It's just so much fun and

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I love history. And here it is, you know, a

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couple of minutes a day, American Minute, and it's all

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right there. And I want to give you an opportunity

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to tell our audience how they can subscribe and share

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in the joy of your history knowledge.

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Oh well, thank you, Bill. My website's Americanminute dot com.

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Americanminute dot com, and we're talking about a book it's

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called The Treacherous World of the sixteenth Century and how

780
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the Pilgrims escaped it. And then the last couple of

781
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years I've been doing a weekly video for Turning Point

782
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Education and their website is turningpoint Ed dot com and

783
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you go to the top which has resources, and click

784
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on it and scroll down and you'll find how.

785
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We got here.

786
00:42:42.199 --> 00:42:44.719
And so it's a short ten minute video once a

787
00:42:44.760 --> 00:42:46.679
week how we got here, And of course the ones

788
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this week are on the Pilgrims and Squanto. But thank

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you so Americanminute dot com you know, I was mentioning,

790
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So Mohammad was robin caravans. And then as Islam expands,

791
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they would rob on the Mediterranean seat and capture. So

792
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they captured over a million Europeans and would have a

793
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whole Catholic orders in Europe called the Trinitarians that would

794
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raise money to try to ransom back your friend. And

795
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they enslaved millions of Africans because Muhammad was a white Arab.

796
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But so now we're getting to the Muslim Barbary pirates

797
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and they would rob European ships. And so here are

798
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the Pilgrims in sixteen twenty five, and they have two

799
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ships they're sending back to England filled with dried fish

800
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and beaver skins, and one of them is captured by

801
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Muslim pirates and taken to Morocco and sold into slavery.

802
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So William Bradford writes this.

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In the History of the Ploma Settlement, that the adventurers

804
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or investors, the one that lent the money, sent over

805
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two fishing ships. The Pinnis was ordered to load with

806
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corefish to bring back home to England. And besides she

807
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had some eight hundred pounds of beaver as well as.

808
00:43:55.880 --> 00:43:59.039
Other firs to good value. And it says that they.

809
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Went across and were almost inside of England when a

810
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Turkish man of war captures one of the ships and

811
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carries them off to Solar Morocco, where the captain and

812
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crew were made slaves. Thus all their hopes were dashed,

813
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the joyful news they meant to carry home by the

814
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ship taken by the Turks.

815
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All trade was dead.

816
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So here are the pilgrims. They had to deal with

817
00:44:22.639 --> 00:44:27.199
Islamic terrorism, and so again I wonder if the people

818
00:44:27.199 --> 00:44:30.960
in New York could learn some lessons from this. But

819
00:44:31.440 --> 00:44:36.320
the sultan in Morocco was named Mulayismal, and he had

820
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twenty five thousand Europeans that he had captured and made slaves,

821
00:44:41.400 --> 00:44:44.440
and they built him this big palace at Mekinez, sort

822
00:44:44.440 --> 00:44:48.599
of a mini version of Versailles. And then he had

823
00:44:49.400 --> 00:44:52.760
five hundred wives, mostly Europeans, that he had captured from

824
00:44:52.760 --> 00:44:56.159
these ships, which bore him a record one forty two.

825
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Children, that's like record.

826
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And he was brutal.

827
00:45:02.559 --> 00:45:05.679
The reports are that he would come out and if

828
00:45:05.679 --> 00:45:08.159
he was dressed in yellow, that meant that he was

829
00:45:08.199 --> 00:45:11.400
going to hunt his own slaves, and he would kill

830
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his own African slaves, just for a sport, and he

831
00:45:14.599 --> 00:45:18.320
would bring us a change of clothes so that it's

832
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got blood on him.

833
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He could change his clothes.

834
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And I won't get into all the stories. My wife's like,

835
00:45:24.639 --> 00:45:28.800
don't tell all those gory stories. But so anyway, the

836
00:45:28.800 --> 00:45:31.280
Pilgrims had one of their ships captured by the Muslims.

837
00:45:31.559 --> 00:45:35.920
But I can't talk about the Pilgrims without mentioning Squanto. Yes,

838
00:45:36.280 --> 00:45:38.280
we have a minute or two I could share that.

839
00:45:38.519 --> 00:45:40.360
Yeah, we got we got plenty of time. We've got

840
00:45:40.360 --> 00:45:43.440
about seven eight minutes here. I love hearing about Squanto.

841
00:45:43.920 --> 00:45:46.880
I mean, that's another miracle in and of itself, Bill,

842
00:45:47.360 --> 00:45:48.519
the whole story at Squanto.

843
00:45:48.679 --> 00:45:52.320
Yeah, so you have the Pilgrims were religious, but not

844
00:45:52.400 --> 00:45:57.199
everybody else was. You had the Columbuses governed the New World,

845
00:45:57.320 --> 00:45:59.920
and you had what I traced two threads through his

846
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greed in the Gospel, you always have people motivated by greed,

847
00:46:02.920 --> 00:46:05.320
and they're the ones that take people man selom and

848
00:46:05.360 --> 00:46:08.239
slavery and take land from Indians, and the British East

849
00:46:08.280 --> 00:46:11.239
India Company growing opium and Indian and shipping into China.

850
00:46:11.280 --> 00:46:14.440
And today you have sex trafficking for money, right, so

851
00:46:14.480 --> 00:46:16.760
you always have people motivated by greed, and then you

852
00:46:16.760 --> 00:46:18.519
always have people motivated by the gospel.

853
00:46:18.920 --> 00:46:19.679
And so we see this.

854
00:46:19.679 --> 00:46:22.960
From the very beginning, and you had greedy people and

855
00:46:23.079 --> 00:46:28.199
slaving Native Americans, and a Catholic priest named Bartolomi de

856
00:46:28.320 --> 00:46:32.360
las Casas spends his whole life lobbying the King of

857
00:46:32.400 --> 00:46:35.719
Spain to outlaw the enslavement of Native Americans, and he's

858
00:46:35.719 --> 00:46:40.639
finally successful. And then yeah, obviously the greedy people say

859
00:46:40.960 --> 00:46:43.039
where else can we get slaves? And somebody said Africa,

860
00:46:43.079 --> 00:46:44.960
and that's when they would go over to the Muslim

861
00:46:44.960 --> 00:46:48.159
slave markets and buy Africans and bring them over in

862
00:46:48.239 --> 00:46:52.800
that terrible slave trade. But again, the Pilgrims were religious,

863
00:46:52.800 --> 00:46:55.119
but not everybody else was. And so you would have

864
00:46:55.480 --> 00:46:59.679
the English would sail across the coast of North America

865
00:47:00.320 --> 00:47:04.320
and lower Indians on the boat and then take them

866
00:47:04.360 --> 00:47:06.960
back to England. At first, it was to teach them

867
00:47:07.000 --> 00:47:10.079
the language so that the Indians could show them all

868
00:47:10.119 --> 00:47:12.760
the good fishing spots. And they were still looking for

869
00:47:12.800 --> 00:47:15.320
a northwest passage. They thought that there was going to

870
00:47:15.400 --> 00:47:18.280
be some river that could cut across America to China.

871
00:47:18.719 --> 00:47:19.400
You go figure.

872
00:47:20.960 --> 00:47:25.159
And so that's what happened to Squanto. And so you

873
00:47:25.239 --> 00:47:31.239
have a Captain Weymouth rights about taking half a dozen

874
00:47:31.360 --> 00:47:35.079
natives from America and bring them over to England and

875
00:47:35.199 --> 00:47:39.039
introducing them to William Shakespeare and the Earl of Southampton

876
00:47:39.039 --> 00:47:42.199
that financed the expedition looking for this northwest passage.

877
00:47:42.880 --> 00:47:45.920
But then they drop Squanto back.

878
00:47:47.599 --> 00:47:53.159
Several years later, and then you have a bad guy

879
00:47:53.360 --> 00:47:58.039
named Captain Thomas Hunt, and he says that he wants

880
00:47:58.119 --> 00:48:01.920
to trade with the Indians, and so Squantos like, okay,

881
00:48:02.000 --> 00:48:05.639
I can speak English, I can trade, and they lure

882
00:48:05.679 --> 00:48:07.960
him onto the boat and with a bunch of Indians,

883
00:48:08.039 --> 00:48:09.760
they say, hey, you want to see what's below deck,

884
00:48:10.119 --> 00:48:12.400
and then they close the hatch and then they take

885
00:48:12.440 --> 00:48:16.400
him over to Malika, Spain. So the Muslim controls Spain

886
00:48:16.440 --> 00:48:19.440
for seven hundred years, and the Muslims sold and estimated

887
00:48:19.559 --> 00:48:22.880
a million Europeans into slavery.

888
00:48:23.000 --> 00:48:23.559
You know, as I.

889
00:48:23.559 --> 00:48:26.239
Mentioned, there were these Catholic orders like the Trinitarians and

890
00:48:26.519 --> 00:48:29.440
Mathurians that would raise money to ransom back your friend

891
00:48:30.000 --> 00:48:33.920
that was captured, and the guilde Cervantes had been captured

892
00:48:33.920 --> 00:48:35.800
after the Battle of La Ponto and made a slave,

893
00:48:35.840 --> 00:48:39.679
and this Catholic order of Trinitarians ransomed him back. Saint

894
00:48:39.760 --> 00:48:43.960
Vincent de Paul was captured by Muslims and made a slave,

895
00:48:44.239 --> 00:48:47.599
and he witnessed to one of his slave master's wives

896
00:48:47.639 --> 00:48:50.440
and she converted and pressured her husband to let him go.

897
00:48:50.519 --> 00:48:52.800
And so Saint Vincent de Paul goes back to Europe

898
00:48:52.840 --> 00:48:55.199
and he starts an organization to ransom back slaves, and

899
00:48:55.239 --> 00:49:01.679
then he starts hospitals. Yes, and anyway, so the story is.

900
00:49:01.760 --> 00:49:05.239
That muslim controls Spain for seven hundred years.

901
00:49:05.519 --> 00:49:10.679
And Malaga was a slave trading city. Spain becomes free

902
00:49:11.199 --> 00:49:15.599
from the Muslims, but the slave trading city still exists,

903
00:49:16.119 --> 00:49:18.960
and so Squanto and these Indians are taken back there,

904
00:49:19.599 --> 00:49:24.119
and the Franciscan Friars heard about it, and they raised

905
00:49:24.119 --> 00:49:29.400
a ruckus that is so immoral to sell these Native Americans,

906
00:49:29.440 --> 00:49:32.440
and so they get custody of them, and you know,

907
00:49:32.840 --> 00:49:36.079
with the reasoning that they wanted to introduce them to Christ.

908
00:49:36.920 --> 00:49:40.199
But the friars eventually give them their freedom.

909
00:49:40.480 --> 00:49:44.480
And then Squanto hitch ICE's way across Europe back to

910
00:49:44.519 --> 00:49:50.760
England and he arrives and he gets employed in Newfoundland Company,

911
00:49:51.320 --> 00:49:55.039
and then he gets dropped back off on the coast

912
00:49:55.039 --> 00:49:58.679
of America and he goes to where his Petouxik tribe

913
00:49:59.199 --> 00:50:02.159
was and find out the whole tribe was wiped out

914
00:50:02.199 --> 00:50:05.960
in a plague. Right, and William Bradford explains that three

915
00:50:06.039 --> 00:50:08.679
years earlier a French ship was shipwrecked at Cape Cod.

916
00:50:10.079 --> 00:50:14.079
The sailors got ashore. The Indians never left, watching them

917
00:50:14.119 --> 00:50:16.440
and dogging them till they got the advantage and killed

918
00:50:16.440 --> 00:50:18.800
them all, with three or four whom they made sport

919
00:50:18.840 --> 00:50:21.320
with and sent them from one chief to another. Well,

920
00:50:21.360 --> 00:50:23.639
evidently one of them must have had an illness. The

921
00:50:23.679 --> 00:50:28.079
Indians had no immunity, and it wipes out the entire tribe.

922
00:50:28.239 --> 00:50:33.880
And so ironically, had Squanto not been kidnapped, he most

923
00:50:33.880 --> 00:50:35.239
certainly would have died in that plague.

924
00:50:35.239 --> 00:50:37.079
Gave part of that plague, Yeah, exactly.

925
00:50:37.440 --> 00:50:41.000
And so here's Squanto, after years of being away, comes

926
00:50:41.039 --> 00:50:43.840
back and his whole tribe is dead. It must have

927
00:50:43.880 --> 00:50:46.079
been devastating for him, and he goes off to live

928
00:50:46.239 --> 00:50:47.800
with the neighboring wamp.

929
00:50:47.480 --> 00:50:50.800
And Noag tribe. And then.

930
00:50:52.000 --> 00:50:56.519
In June of sixteen twenty is when Squanto's dropped off

931
00:50:57.000 --> 00:50:59.280
and then the pilgrim planned in November of sixteen twenty

932
00:50:59.599 --> 00:51:03.880
and then the pilgrims die that winner again. Only five

933
00:51:03.960 --> 00:51:07.519
women survived that first winner out of like eighteen. And

934
00:51:09.360 --> 00:51:12.079
then the next spring William Bradford says, about the sixteenth

935
00:51:12.079 --> 00:51:15.159
of March sixteen twenty one, a certain Indian came boldly

936
00:51:15.199 --> 00:51:17.599
and amongst them, spoke to them and broke broken English.

937
00:51:17.679 --> 00:51:19.880
His name was Squanto. He told them of another his

938
00:51:19.960 --> 00:51:22.880
name was Samrset. He told him of another Indian named Squanto,

939
00:51:23.440 --> 00:51:25.639
who the native of this place, who had been in

940
00:51:25.719 --> 00:51:29.400
England and could speak English better himself. And then about

941
00:51:29.400 --> 00:51:33.519
four days later Massasoit the chief with some of his tribe,

942
00:51:33.840 --> 00:51:38.559
and then Squanto come and after many gifts, they made.

943
00:51:38.440 --> 00:51:39.159
A peace treaty.

944
00:51:39.639 --> 00:51:43.519
And it says Squanto was their interpreter, and that was

945
00:51:43.599 --> 00:51:48.360
key because they didn't have all the misunderstandings that Jamestown had.

946
00:51:48.519 --> 00:51:51.719
It was all Indian massacres, and that was thanks to Squanto.

947
00:51:53.360 --> 00:51:58.400
A little interesting trivia. The Indians smoked peace pipes and

948
00:51:58.480 --> 00:52:02.480
the Indians were healthy, and so the Europeans are like, huh,

949
00:52:02.599 --> 00:52:06.480
tobacco must make you healthy, and so it became a

950
00:52:06.519 --> 00:52:09.559
health craze in England of doctors prescribing tobacco.

951
00:52:09.920 --> 00:52:11.320
Oh, yes, there's Native.

952
00:52:11.039 --> 00:52:13.519
Americans, and natives are really healthy, and they smoked tobacco,

953
00:52:13.599 --> 00:52:16.159
so smoke tobacco will make you healthy anyway.

954
00:52:17.400 --> 00:52:20.000
But what was in their piece pipe as opposed to

955
00:52:20.119 --> 00:52:22.320
what was in the pipes that went over?

956
00:52:22.360 --> 00:52:25.639
Says now, yeah, well, I mean it was tobacco.

957
00:52:25.960 --> 00:52:28.320
Yeah, it was tobacco either way, right, okay.

958
00:52:28.199 --> 00:52:35.280
Yeah, But so you had Squanto teaches them how to

959
00:52:35.360 --> 00:52:37.920
plant corn, and they and the pilgrim said, we tried it.

960
00:52:37.960 --> 00:52:39.880
He goes, no, you have to take a fish and

961
00:52:39.920 --> 00:52:41.679
put it over the kernel of corn, and then.

962
00:52:41.599 --> 00:52:43.239
Guard it for two weeks to keep the wolves away.

963
00:52:43.480 --> 00:52:46.639
And then the fish decomposes and for licenses of soil,

964
00:52:46.679 --> 00:52:48.400
and you get a nice stalk of corn. And then

965
00:52:48.400 --> 00:52:49.960
he taught them how to take the corn, put it

966
00:52:50.000 --> 00:52:51.599
in a pot and shake it over a fire and

967
00:52:51.639 --> 00:52:54.480
make popcorn. And then he taught him to take off

968
00:52:54.519 --> 00:52:56.559
their shoes, go down to the river bank and squeegee

969
00:52:56.559 --> 00:52:59.800
in the mud and catch eels and clams. And then

970
00:52:59.840 --> 00:53:02.519
he taught him how to fish. And they said, we tried.

971
00:53:02.519 --> 00:53:05.519
He goes, no, these are salmon. They spawn in April.

972
00:53:05.559 --> 00:53:09.199
This river is going to be packed. And then William

973
00:53:09.239 --> 00:53:11.840
Bradford said, neither was there a man among them who

974
00:53:11.840 --> 00:53:15.159
had ever seen a beaver skin until instructed by Squanto,

975
00:53:15.840 --> 00:53:19.719
And so you had. And again it took forty years

976
00:53:19.760 --> 00:53:21.679
worth of beaver skins to pay off their debt for

977
00:53:21.719 --> 00:53:23.119
that boat ride.

978
00:53:23.599 --> 00:53:26.800
And so they got on good terms. You know.

979
00:53:26.920 --> 00:53:32.400
Later Chief Massasoid got ill and the pilgrim, Edward Winslow

980
00:53:32.519 --> 00:53:35.880
and Stephen Hopkins doctored him back to health, and the

981
00:53:35.920 --> 00:53:39.679
peace treaty went on for fifty years. And the fine

982
00:53:39.719 --> 00:53:42.719
print was if you doctor an Indian chief.

983
00:53:42.679 --> 00:53:49.920
And he dies, you die. It was serious, like exactly, Yeah.

984
00:53:49.960 --> 00:53:52.599
I guess that's where medicine got that idea of do

985
00:53:52.719 --> 00:53:53.360
no harm.

986
00:53:53.239 --> 00:53:55.639
Right, Yeah.

987
00:53:55.960 --> 00:53:59.960
And so William Bradford talks about Squanto being a special

988
00:54:00.199 --> 00:54:03.000
instruments sent of God for their good beyond their expectation.

989
00:54:03.840 --> 00:54:06.559
And you can't help see the story of Joseph in there.

990
00:54:06.639 --> 00:54:10.000
Joseph is sold as a slave by his brothers and

991
00:54:10.039 --> 00:54:13.400
he's down in Egypt. Yet as the years go by,

992
00:54:14.039 --> 00:54:17.719
he's able to provide for his whole family with food

993
00:54:17.800 --> 00:54:20.760
because of this famine. Well, Cisquanto is terrible that he

994
00:54:20.840 --> 00:54:23.320
was sold into slavery, but he was able to provide

995
00:54:23.559 --> 00:54:26.360
for all these pilgrims. It probably wouldn't have survived. So

996
00:54:26.400 --> 00:54:30.719
the first Thanksgiving that they have ninety Indians show up

997
00:54:31.320 --> 00:54:34.800
and only fifty two Pilgrims. There's almost twice as many

998
00:54:34.920 --> 00:54:39.960
Indians at the first Thanksgiving, and out of the Pilgrims

999
00:54:40.760 --> 00:54:46.519
there's twenty four men, twenty four kids and teenagers.

1000
00:54:45.920 --> 00:54:47.760
And only four women.

1001
00:54:48.280 --> 00:54:48.679
Wow.

1002
00:54:49.039 --> 00:54:51.719
Five made it through the first winter, but John Carter's

1003
00:54:51.719 --> 00:54:54.400
wife died, and so now you're down to four adult

1004
00:54:54.440 --> 00:54:56.559
women cooking for one hundred and forty two people.

1005
00:54:57.079 --> 00:54:57.559
Wow.

1006
00:54:58.960 --> 00:55:01.800
The first Thanksgiving, the Indians did show up with deer

1007
00:55:01.800 --> 00:55:05.079
in turkey, and the Pilgrims had cranberry saws and puddings

1008
00:55:05.119 --> 00:55:08.519
and stuff like that and squash. And at the end

1009
00:55:08.559 --> 00:55:10.360
of the day, the Indians roll up in their blankets

1010
00:55:10.400 --> 00:55:12.920
and go to sleep, and the next day they're still there.

1011
00:55:12.920 --> 00:55:15.519
So Thanksgiving goes on for two days. At the end

1012
00:55:15.559 --> 00:55:17.280
of the day, the Indians roll up in their fur

1013
00:55:17.320 --> 00:55:20.199
blankets and they wake up and it goes on for

1014
00:55:20.239 --> 00:55:23.679
three days. And the young men are doing foot races

1015
00:55:23.719 --> 00:55:27.800
and arm wrestling and stuff like that. So it's just

1016
00:55:28.079 --> 00:55:33.880
an amazing story of God's provision. And had Squanto not

1017
00:55:34.000 --> 00:55:39.360
been there, the Pilgrims probably wouldn't have survived, and they

1018
00:55:39.480 --> 00:55:42.920
wouldn't have brought their covenant form of government out of

1019
00:55:42.960 --> 00:55:47.800
which came our constitution. So exactly the word federal is

1020
00:55:47.880 --> 00:55:49.000
Latin for covenant.

1021
00:55:50.719 --> 00:55:53.800
Well, Bill Fedder, we've got to leave it there. But

1022
00:55:54.519 --> 00:55:58.039
of course, you know, we've just touched on some of

1023
00:55:58.360 --> 00:56:02.239
such a plethora of miracles. You know that, you know,

1024
00:56:02.320 --> 00:56:05.760
our four hundred plus history of America is filled with

1025
00:56:05.920 --> 00:56:09.280
and you know, we give God the glory because clearly

1026
00:56:09.519 --> 00:56:13.079
it was something outside of the capacity of man in

1027
00:56:13.119 --> 00:56:16.519
and of themself. It was God orchestrating, like you said,

1028
00:56:16.559 --> 00:56:21.159
and using the comparison of Joseph in Egypt and Squanto,

1029
00:56:21.320 --> 00:56:24.960
Squanto in a sense was like a you know, at

1030
00:56:24.960 --> 00:56:28.800
that time, a modern day Joseph for that period of time, right.

1031
00:56:29.239 --> 00:56:30.440
Yeah, Yeah, And.

1032
00:56:32.480 --> 00:56:35.719
We look back to the Pilgrims because they can have

1033
00:56:35.760 --> 00:56:39.800
a covenant form of government, which is where the people

1034
00:56:39.840 --> 00:56:44.320
get involved in ruling themselves. And so that's reflected later

1035
00:56:44.400 --> 00:56:47.079
in our declaration government from the consent of the government.

1036
00:56:47.320 --> 00:56:50.920
So America is an experiment of a polarity change in

1037
00:56:50.960 --> 00:56:53.480
the flow power set a top down rule by kings

1038
00:56:53.480 --> 00:56:56.320
and pharaohs who want to cancel you and put you

1039
00:56:56.400 --> 00:56:59.119
in jail and not let you have freedom of speech

1040
00:56:59.159 --> 00:57:02.280
and freedom of contents. America is an experiment of a

1041
00:57:02.320 --> 00:57:05.480
bottom up form of government, where it's the consent of

1042
00:57:05.559 --> 00:57:07.599
the government that you want to hear the views of

1043
00:57:07.639 --> 00:57:10.639
the people, because you want to have laws that reflect

1044
00:57:10.719 --> 00:57:11.679
what the people want.

1045
00:57:12.199 --> 00:57:15.679
The title of the book, because we touched on some

1046
00:57:15.760 --> 00:57:18.039
of there's so much in that book yet for them

1047
00:57:18.039 --> 00:57:21.400
to discover and they can get that at your website right.

1048
00:57:22.039 --> 00:57:25.280
Right, So it's called the Treacherous World of the sixteenth

1049
00:57:25.320 --> 00:57:28.519
century and how the Pilgrims escaped it. And then my

1050
00:57:28.639 --> 00:57:31.920
website is Americanminute dot com.

1051
00:57:32.559 --> 00:57:35.320
Well Bill Fetter, the American Minute creator, best selling author

1052
00:57:35.360 --> 00:57:38.079
and speaker, thank you so much. As always, I just

1053
00:57:38.159 --> 00:57:41.920
so appreciate you. God bless you, and Happy Thanksgiving, my friend.

1054
00:57:42.639 --> 00:57:44.960
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Getting America back on track. Bill Martinez Live.

1075
00:58:56.760 --> 00:58:59.400
Hey, good morning, Happy Thanksgiving to you and all. I'm

1076
00:58:59.440 --> 00:59:01.880
Bill Martinez, sees Mike O'Neil from Landmark Legal.

1077
00:59:02.000 --> 00:59:03.519
Hey, Mike Havy, Thanksgiving.

1078
00:59:03.079 --> 00:59:03.920
To you or everything?

1079
00:59:04.079 --> 00:59:04.320
Happy?

1080
00:59:04.480 --> 00:59:05.679
I'm good Bill, Happy, Thanksgiving.

1081
00:59:05.719 --> 00:59:08.559
Good to be with you, Hey, great to have you here.

1082
00:59:08.599 --> 00:59:12.079
I want to talk about Letitia James and James Comy.

1083
00:59:12.920 --> 00:59:16.239
We kind of knew that that was uh, that was

1084
00:59:16.320 --> 00:59:20.079
head heading into a cement wall here.

1085
00:59:20.239 --> 00:59:22.719
Yeah, and sure enough they got realized, right.

1086
00:59:23.400 --> 00:59:25.960
Yeah, certainly. So A couple of things to understand with

1087
00:59:26.000 --> 00:59:28.840
this from a from before you dive into the nuances

1088
00:59:29.000 --> 00:59:31.880
of it, is the fact that these these individuals Comy

1089
00:59:31.960 --> 00:59:37.239
and James have really really smart, aggressive defense attorneys, and

1090
00:59:37.440 --> 00:59:41.800
it's these people's jobs to try to exploit every single

1091
00:59:42.719 --> 00:59:46.760
every single weakness in the prosecution's case, perceived weakness, actual weakness.

1092
00:59:46.960 --> 00:59:48.920
They understand the lay of the land. They understand the

1093
00:59:48.960 --> 00:59:50.679
fact that they're playing on a field where a judge

1094
00:59:50.719 --> 00:59:52.800
is going to probably be disposed to ruling in their

1095
00:59:52.800 --> 00:59:55.280
favor if they can present some sort of cognizant argument

1096
00:59:55.719 --> 00:59:57.840
that the government might have made an error, because that's

1097
00:59:57.920 --> 00:59:59.760
just the nature of the judiciary. We've talked about this

1098
00:59:59.760 --> 01:00:03.000
over years and years that I mean over months, that

1099
01:00:03.119 --> 01:00:05.679
the judiciary of the past years has really there's a

1100
01:00:05.719 --> 01:00:09.159
lot of Biden and Obama appointees, especially at the district

1101
01:00:09.199 --> 01:00:12.960
court level. So and these smart lawyers are going to

1102
01:00:13.000 --> 01:00:15.440
make cases, and they're going to argue every single it's

1103
01:00:15.480 --> 01:00:18.159
the defense attorney's job, particularly when they're well funded like

1104
01:00:18.199 --> 01:00:21.400
these guys. These folks are to make every signal argument

1105
01:00:21.480 --> 01:00:23.440
they can make. And of course they're going to challenge

1106
01:00:23.800 --> 01:00:28.119
the efficacy the legality of the appointment of the US

1107
01:00:28.159 --> 01:00:30.920
Attorney in the Eastern District of Virginia in a case

1108
01:00:30.920 --> 01:00:33.119
where there might be some questions about the legality of

1109
01:00:33.119 --> 01:00:35.519
the appointment. That's not to say that the appointment wasn't

1110
01:00:35.599 --> 01:00:37.400
legal or wasn't proper. This is the end all for

1111
01:00:37.440 --> 01:00:39.639
the Justice Department. But I'm just saying that this is

1112
01:00:39.679 --> 01:00:42.000
what we've Like you just said, Bill, I'm amplifying your point.

1113
01:00:42.800 --> 01:00:45.039
This is what we have to expect when you're in

1114
01:00:45.079 --> 01:00:47.960
these high profile litigation claims that it's going to be

1115
01:00:48.360 --> 01:00:51.920
aggressive on the defense side, and everything's going to be

1116
01:00:51.960 --> 01:00:53.760
has to be belt and suspenders if you're going to

1117
01:00:53.800 --> 01:00:56.559
survive and get through these necessary prosecutions. Now, I believe

1118
01:00:56.599 --> 01:00:59.280
that these prosecutions are both necessary and important for the country,

1119
01:00:59.719 --> 01:01:02.639
but we have to understand it's going to be a swag, right.

1120
01:01:02.719 --> 01:01:05.840
But but you know, I think that Pam Bondi and

1121
01:01:05.840 --> 01:01:07.480
I have a lot of respect for Pam Bondy. I'm

1122
01:01:07.480 --> 01:01:09.360
not an attorney, but I just I have a lot

1123
01:01:09.400 --> 01:01:12.400
of respect for h of course, being from Florida and

1124
01:01:12.760 --> 01:01:16.000
seeing her work ethic and everything and her success. But

1125
01:01:16.400 --> 01:01:18.480
I'll tell you, she put this case, this is a

1126
01:01:18.519 --> 01:01:19.360
profile case.

1127
01:01:19.719 --> 01:01:20.679
She put it in the.

1128
01:01:20.639 --> 01:01:24.840
Hands of someone who is a little inexperienced, don't you think,

1129
01:01:24.920 --> 01:01:27.679
I mean, she's never done anything like this, and I

1130
01:01:27.719 --> 01:01:32.320
don't think she uh set this attorney up, uh, you know,

1131
01:01:32.559 --> 01:01:35.039
to have a fair chance to be successful with this.

1132
01:01:35.400 --> 01:01:36.679
I mean starting from the very.

1133
01:01:36.519 --> 01:01:39.719
Beginning, because you know this wasn't you I mean, Trump

1134
01:01:39.840 --> 01:01:43.079
himself had argued a case when there was somebody that

1135
01:01:43.400 --> 01:01:46.719
was not appointed correctly, right Jack Smith?

1136
01:01:46.760 --> 01:01:48.800
Oh yeah, right?

1137
01:01:49.079 --> 01:01:52.800
So why would you think that James Comy and Letitia

1138
01:01:52.920 --> 01:01:54.239
James would not do the same?

1139
01:01:55.119 --> 01:01:58.039
Absolutely? I think that that that's that's the facto argument

1140
01:01:58.039 --> 01:02:00.000
when you're when you're looking at this. This is something

1141
01:02:00.039 --> 01:02:01.840
I've talked about before, and we talked a lot about it.

1142
01:02:01.840 --> 01:02:04.239
With the Jack Smith appointment, the legality of the appointment,

1143
01:02:04.480 --> 01:02:06.400
I think there is an argument, Okay, a couple of things.

1144
01:02:06.480 --> 01:02:10.440
First of all, regarding the Department of Justice, and I

1145
01:02:10.519 --> 01:02:11.840
like to talk about this, and I think I need

1146
01:02:11.840 --> 01:02:14.719
to talk about this even more. Is it's it's it's

1147
01:02:14.760 --> 01:02:16.679
and I'm not criticizing what you just said. I'm saying

1148
01:02:16.679 --> 01:02:19.360
it's it's it's hard when you get into the nuts

1149
01:02:19.360 --> 01:02:23.079
and bolts of the legal process, particularly the criminal prosecution process.

1150
01:02:23.760 --> 01:02:27.599
The system is designed to ensure that the protection of

1151
01:02:27.599 --> 01:02:30.079
the rights of the accused. So there's a lot of

1152
01:02:30.199 --> 01:02:33.239
there's so many procedural aspects you have to understand here,

1153
01:02:33.599 --> 01:02:35.559
and the fact that and this is why you know,

1154
01:02:35.599 --> 01:02:37.679
everybodys saying, well, why isn't this person indicted? Why isn't

1155
01:02:37.679 --> 01:02:39.880
this person indicted? It takes a lot, particularly when you

1156
01:02:39.880 --> 01:02:41.719
know the lay of the land. It takes a lot

1157
01:02:41.760 --> 01:02:45.079
to mount a successful indictment, particularly these high profile ones

1158
01:02:45.280 --> 01:02:47.320
that if you lose, it's gonna be you know, it's

1159
01:02:47.360 --> 01:02:49.119
gonna be career, and you know the worries it's, oh,

1160
01:02:49.199 --> 01:02:49.679
this is career.

1161
01:02:50.960 --> 01:02:51.280
Things.

1162
01:02:51.880 --> 01:02:55.679
Number one is they were they had to indict Komi

1163
01:02:55.840 --> 01:02:59.119
because they were really up against the statute limitations here argument.

1164
01:02:59.199 --> 01:03:00.960
So they only it gotten to the point where it

1165
01:03:01.000 --> 01:03:03.199
was just a few days they were away from it,

1166
01:03:03.239 --> 01:03:05.960
so they had to kind of accelerate the process towards

1167
01:03:06.039 --> 01:03:08.199
the end here. And so may you know that that

1168
01:03:08.360 --> 01:03:12.360
when you accelerate the process, you leave yourself explode.

1169
01:03:12.440 --> 01:03:14.920
Haste makes waste. We already know that, right exactly.

1170
01:03:14.960 --> 01:03:17.639
So yeah, and so that that beings. That being said,

1171
01:03:17.639 --> 01:03:19.519
though a couple of things, I think that the I

1172
01:03:19.559 --> 01:03:21.960
think that it was ratified from a procedural standpoint, I

1173
01:03:22.000 --> 01:03:25.480
think it was ratified by by BONDI at some point

1174
01:03:25.559 --> 01:03:28.360
where by the d a g. The Deputy Attorney General.

1175
01:03:28.360 --> 01:03:30.360
So I think that might be enough on an appeal

1176
01:03:30.719 --> 01:03:34.320
to survive to preserve the uh, the efficacy of the indictment.

1177
01:03:34.639 --> 01:03:36.960
That being said, even if an appellate court, which will

1178
01:03:36.960 --> 01:03:39.119
be the Fourth Circuit Court of Appeals, which is pretty

1179
01:03:39.320 --> 01:03:41.679
left liberal at this point. Now this is again, this

1180
01:03:41.760 --> 01:03:44.760
is where they are kind of where I am that

1181
01:03:45.079 --> 01:03:47.960
even if, even if the indictment is thrown out on appeal,

1182
01:03:48.480 --> 01:03:51.159
there is still an avenue for the Department of Justice

1183
01:03:51.159 --> 01:03:53.800
to continue because there's a provision in the law that says,

1184
01:03:53.840 --> 01:03:56.639
if these indictments are thrown out you have for any reason,

1185
01:03:56.639 --> 01:03:59.639
then the law uses the term for any reason, pretty

1186
01:03:59.639 --> 01:04:03.239
broad statutory language there. Then the Department of Justice has

1187
01:04:03.280 --> 01:04:08.280
six months to reindict without implicating the UH, the the

1188
01:04:08.280 --> 01:04:11.800
Sagian limitations issues. So even if the I think the

1189
01:04:11.880 --> 01:04:14.519
Justice Department might preside, might proceed, and again I don't

1190
01:04:14.559 --> 01:04:16.280
know them, I don't talk to them or anything like that,

1191
01:04:16.280 --> 01:04:19.920
but I would proceed on two tacks. Number one, presenting

1192
01:04:20.159 --> 01:04:24.920
another another indictment, reindicting for this now that the individual,

1193
01:04:25.039 --> 01:04:27.800
now that the US attorney has been duly appointed and

1194
01:04:27.960 --> 01:04:31.280
that's no longer a question then uh if not, And

1195
01:04:31.320 --> 01:04:33.480
then on the other side, also just continuing to appeal,

1196
01:04:33.519 --> 01:04:36.519
saying the indictment as as it was presented was legitimate.

1197
01:04:36.679 --> 01:04:38.519
So I think I don't think this case is going

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01:04:38.599 --> 01:04:40.960
to go anywhere. I don't think Comie or James, either

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one of them is out of the woods. I think

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the evidence suggesting their guilt is pretty strong. Obviously you had,

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you had the probable cause factor over you know, you

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had the UH, the grand juries return these indictments in

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an area again in Alexander or Alexandria and Arlington, which

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are pretty liberal areas. So I think the evidence is

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not does favor either James or Comy, but you know,

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you got to get through these procedural hurdles. Initially, and

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I think that's just what we're talking right now.

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Maybe what if I'm hearing this from you correctly, is

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that maybe you know, Pam Bondi's smarter than we thought

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with this deal, because like you know, I mean, when

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you go to court and you say, Okay, I'm pushing

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the deadline here, We're not going to go in and

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really expect to win. But what we're going to find

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out is their defense, right, And so they would find

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out and maybe that exposed it a little bit so

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that they figure, Okay, we get through this hurdle and

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then we've got six months to to really put put

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the case together, knowing what what kind of defense and

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you know what they're going to present to the court.

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Right positively, Yeah, that sounds that doesn't sound out out

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of the ballpark. I mean, I hadn't thought about it,

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but possibly that sounds that sounds reasonable. Again, It this

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it's it's it's easy for everybody outside the systems to say, okay,

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well why don't you just why don't you just indict

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this person and convict them and throw them out? They think,

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you know, law and order. It's it's like it just happens.

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But these guys. These folks Comye and James have immensely sophisticated,

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highly intelligent, really experienced criminal defense attorneys who are going

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to who I think virtually, as I said, I think

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Komy has a defense fund, and I'm sure he's getting

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you know, I don't know this per se, but I'm

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going to assume he's getting millions from never the left

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to his defense. It's not like it's not like the

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J six people, or by the way, I want to

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contrast that just real briefly, just touch on this is

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look at the due process afforded to Comy and James,

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by the way, expressed that with the due process afforded

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to the J six folks. It's abhorring. And I understand

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why any reasonable American would look at this and say,

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how can this be the same system of justice that's

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applicable for people like James and uh and Komy and

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none of the folks in J six who the minute

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they tried to that any conflicting evidence, we're thrown out,

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you know, or we're just run out of court. So

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I understand the frustration there. That being said, I do

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think your point is well taken, but I think that

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you might get you might be able to suss out

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some of the strategies, some of the defense strategy, but

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you also have to anticipate that their deferense, their defense

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strategy is going to be scorched earth. Every single procedural hurdle.

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They're gonna they're gonna make a they're going to make

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a re appellate case for it. They're going to go right,

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They're going to push it to the absolute limit at

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every single jucture they can, holding the prosecution and the

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Department of just defensive feet to the fire exactly.

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Well, I'll tell you, uh, this is going to be interesting.

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And also I want to talk about the line there

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that said without prejudice, But we got to go to

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brank and so we'll address that when we come back.

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He's the assistant General counsel at Landmark Legal. Mike O'Neil

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Hey, welcome back Bill Martinez here with Mike O'Neil, the

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Assistant General counsel of Landmark Legal.

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Mike, one of the things.

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I wanted to ask is you know, like you said,

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you know, which I think is quite interesting, you know,

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because you have the court of public opinion, and you

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just talked about the nuances and and how these legal

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battles and depending on you know, the experience of your

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counsel and the amount of money it's invested. I mean,

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this is a multiple, multiple level chessboard. And then meanwhile

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you go out and you hear some of these pundits

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that aren't even attorneys. They have no idea what soever.

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They come up with their opinions and and unfortunately that

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sways public opinion. But the public is not getting everything

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that they need to know in order to be empowered

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to make a an intelligent decision, right, yeah, yeah.

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And I think particularly and I want to speak to

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folks on our side, you know, in the conservative movement

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and those who support Donald Trump and the go prosecute

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them all movement, right, And I am all for this.

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I think that there's there's plenty of culpability to go

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around here. You know, there's there's what's his name from Bolton,

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John Bolton, There's there's Comy and then I mean goes

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right up if you look, when you start to look

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at the details of arctic frost, for.

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Example, Oh my gosh.

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Yeah, and you start to unravel the extent to which

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the conspiracy and again I use that word. I understand

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that the implications with that word the conspiracy, that that was,

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that that was directed to ensuring Donald Trump was never

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elected president in twenty sixteen and then undermining his presidency.

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And I'm all for this, but you have to understand

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that this is these are really complicated endeavors. And so

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we're talking eleven months, right, so let's just let's just

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be patient. I want to urge patients. If if in

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a year from now where I'm in this conversation that

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some of these folks, you know, I'm like, look at

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Hillary Clinton, look at all of these folks. If there

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hasn't been a you know, additional levels on this in

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a year, then I think we can start to get

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a little angry. But understand that to put these cases together,

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when you see actually when you're putting these cases together

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and prosecuting them again, you're seeing it play out in

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real time here with Comey and James. You understand all

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the moving parts that are playing here. And so watchword

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right now is patients for at least another you know,

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I hate to say it, but at least another year.

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Let's see what Let's see what happens. But I am

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for accountability. Let's be very clear. I'm for holding these

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people to account. There everything they did in the fifteen sixteen,

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throughout the first term of the Donald Trump presidency into

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twenty with Biden, everything is on the table. But let's

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be patient because these are complicated issues, and you need

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to be sure that when you go hard, when you

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go into this, you can't get a little pregnant, right

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when you jump into this tool. You got to keep going.

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You got to be all in and committed, no doubt

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about it. Mike.

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I guess what's frustrating too is you got these left

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wing judges. They continue to live like cockroaches, and we

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just you know, we're having to find a way to

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live with them. But yet these are the same people

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that talk about how they are the you know, they

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are the servants of democracy, right, and it's like, wait

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a minute, everything you're doing is subverting democracy.

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Help me square that up. Huh.

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Yeah, it's funny you mentioned that because there's some things

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that circle around legal ex or legal twitter, conservative law

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and some of the lawyers are floating out some of

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these opinions, these judicial opinions written by these district court judges,

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and again a lot of them are Obama and Biden appointees,

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and it's like they're trying to write the great novel

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American novel in some of this waxing and waning. I

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want to see when when you see in judicial opinion,

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you want to see a cogent recitation of the law

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fax analysis, right, that's what you want to say. You

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don't want to see this waxing and waiting that I'm

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here to do justice or to do or to impose policy,

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or that this is this is the end times and

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we need to stand up for this blah blah blah.

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I said, no, no, no, that's not your job. And

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remember just to go back to the original point that

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Chief Justice Roberts made it his confirmation hearing. And I

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think this is the watchword for people going forward. What

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is a judge's job. A judge's job is to call

1432
01:16:31.039 --> 01:16:33.600
balls and strikes, is to not wax poetically and not

1433
01:16:33.680 --> 01:16:37.000
to import their policy preferences. Unfortunately, I think we've seen

1434
01:16:37.359 --> 01:16:40.760
with this latest generation of new district court judges that

1435
01:16:40.800 --> 01:16:43.600
you're talking about, Bill, I think that they think there

1436
01:16:43.640 --> 01:16:45.920
it's a much like journalists. Right, it's it's I think

1437
01:16:45.960 --> 01:16:48.319
it's a very fair comp right here. Your job, your

1438
01:16:48.399 --> 01:16:52.199
job isn't to do justice. Your job is to call

1439
01:16:52.239 --> 01:16:54.520
balls and strikes. I mean, obviously to do justice, and

1440
01:16:54.560 --> 01:16:56.760
there is a window but here. But your job is.

1441
01:16:56.840 --> 01:16:59.359
Your job isn't to insert policy arguments or to advance

1442
01:16:59.359 --> 01:17:02.840
some sort of specific policy, or it's to come in

1443
01:17:02.880 --> 01:17:05.399
there and to decide cases that are brought before you

1444
01:17:05.760 --> 01:17:07.840
on the facts and law that are brought before you.

1445
01:17:08.000 --> 01:17:10.319
Not to do this, Yeah, yeah, I.

1446
01:17:10.319 --> 01:17:12.359
Don't Yeah, I don't care about your opinion. I just

1447
01:17:12.399 --> 01:17:14.920
want to know is it a touchdown or not a touchdown?

1448
01:17:15.079 --> 01:17:15.279
Right?

1449
01:17:15.479 --> 01:17:15.920
Yeah? Right?

1450
01:17:15.960 --> 01:17:18.640
Exactly was the burden of proof met or not? Right?

1451
01:17:18.960 --> 01:17:21.760
Exactly did they meet the burden proof or not? Did they?

1452
01:17:21.800 --> 01:17:24.520
Did they satisfy the necessary factors to ensure that to

1453
01:17:24.840 --> 01:17:28.319
support the claim the underlying claim here and that, But

1454
01:17:28.439 --> 01:17:30.880
you should again to go back to it. It's funny

1455
01:17:31.279 --> 01:17:32.760
just to touch on a couple of ones that people

1456
01:17:32.800 --> 01:17:36.319
should take a look at. The Texas redistricting had a

1457
01:17:36.399 --> 01:17:39.079
three judge panel. This is the case. Just to touch

1458
01:17:39.119 --> 01:17:41.279
on it. This is the case that where Texas legislature

1459
01:17:41.319 --> 01:17:46.960
had redone their congressional districts just recently in anticipation. Remember

1460
01:17:46.960 --> 01:17:48.960
there was the redistrict and wars we're talking about. Well,

1461
01:17:48.960 --> 01:17:51.960
Texas legislature did that to increase the Republican number of seats.

1462
01:17:52.079 --> 01:17:55.600
Let's just be very frank, to increase Republican representation.

1463
01:17:55.920 --> 01:18:00.199
But that's never ever been done by the Democrats, right right,

1464
01:18:00.239 --> 01:18:01.399
which is legally permissible.

1465
01:18:01.439 --> 01:18:06.800
Look, state legislatures can re draw their congressional lines to

1466
01:18:06.920 --> 01:18:12.560
increase based on partisan rationale, to increase Republican or Democrat representation.

1467
01:18:12.680 --> 01:18:15.600
That's that's constitutional, that's legal, that's just the lay of

1468
01:18:15.640 --> 01:18:18.520
the land. That's how our political system works operates. But

1469
01:18:18.560 --> 01:18:21.680
to read this three these judge, these these competing opinions,

1470
01:18:21.720 --> 01:18:24.600
it's it's something. Uh, there's a two judge, two judges

1471
01:18:25.319 --> 01:18:28.600
wrote the majority opinion finding that Texas violated the law

1472
01:18:28.640 --> 01:18:32.000
and were and sought to set aside the Texas's legislature

1473
01:18:32.279 --> 01:18:35.079
Texas's redistricting efforts, and there was a one judge who

1474
01:18:35.119 --> 01:18:38.319
was filing a dissent. And those are those are some

1475
01:18:38.359 --> 01:18:40.520
competing opinions. But just to get a little bit just

1476
01:18:40.560 --> 01:18:42.199
to touch on the basis of this. Really, I think

1477
01:18:42.199 --> 01:18:45.199
that the majority of the two judges, uh, I think

1478
01:18:45.279 --> 01:18:48.199
they overstepped obviously there was it was activism. I think

1479
01:18:48.239 --> 01:18:52.319
they they conflated race and partisanship, and I don't think

1480
01:18:52.359 --> 01:18:54.640
it's going to hold up. This is Fortunately, this is

1481
01:18:54.680 --> 01:18:56.199
a case that goes right up to the Supreme Court

1482
01:18:56.199 --> 01:18:58.319
when you have these three judge panels. The direct appeals

1483
01:18:58.359 --> 01:19:01.520
right to the Supreme Court. Justice LDO incidentally, just from

1484
01:19:01.520 --> 01:19:06.359
a procedural aspect, has stayed that injunction. So as of

1485
01:19:06.439 --> 01:19:13.359
right now, the redistricting, the reconfiguration is on time, is

1486
01:19:13.399 --> 01:19:15.680
functioning right now. But it can be brief that the

1487
01:19:15.680 --> 01:19:17.640
Supreme Court and probably it might be argued, but the

1488
01:19:17.640 --> 01:19:20.119
Supreme Court should argue, should render a decision fairly shortly

1489
01:19:20.199 --> 01:19:20.640
in it Well.

1490
01:19:20.520 --> 01:19:22.359
The Supreme Court is dealing with that issue as it

1491
01:19:22.399 --> 01:19:23.920
relates to race anyway, right.

1492
01:19:23.840 --> 01:19:27.279
Yeah, yeah, absolutely, Yeah. And louisianniversus KLA. This is this

1493
01:19:27.399 --> 01:19:29.640
is a case that was argued earlier this term and

1494
01:19:30.199 --> 01:19:32.279
it deals with the propriety of Section two of the

1495
01:19:32.359 --> 01:19:35.119
Voting Rights Act. And keep in mind, look, there's so

1496
01:19:35.199 --> 01:19:37.479
many arguments about this, there's so much nuances. But the

1497
01:19:37.920 --> 01:19:40.000
easiest way to just kind of understand it and digest

1498
01:19:40.000 --> 01:19:43.640
it is that legislatures cannot have race be the predominant

1499
01:19:43.640 --> 01:19:47.520
factor in why when they construct their congressional districts, when

1500
01:19:47.560 --> 01:19:51.319
they outline and jerry mander their congressional districts, the primary

1501
01:19:51.359 --> 01:19:55.000
motivating factor cannot be a race. And you can use partisanship.

1502
01:19:55.159 --> 01:19:59.239
Now it gets thorny bill because partisanship and race are

1503
01:19:59.239 --> 01:20:04.399
often are often intertwined, and so disentangling partisanationship and race

1504
01:20:05.000 --> 01:20:09.239
is is is a lot of work. But so you

1505
01:20:09.279 --> 01:20:11.399
get into the nuances of it. But generally speaking, what

1506
01:20:11.399 --> 01:20:14.520
you're talking about, if you see that a legislature used

1507
01:20:14.680 --> 01:20:18.800
race as the predominant factor in how it drew its

1508
01:20:18.840 --> 01:20:22.560
congressional districts, it violate. It violates the fourteenth Amendment to

1509
01:20:22.600 --> 01:20:23.199
the Constitution.

1510
01:20:23.600 --> 01:20:25.319
Yeah, they've been saying that for many years, and I

1511
01:20:25.319 --> 01:20:29.560
think it's hard for them to disconnect from that mindset, right,

1512
01:20:29.760 --> 01:20:32.439
and this is what the Supreme Court will help them

1513
01:20:32.600 --> 01:20:35.439
do so that race is not part of the hopefully,

1514
01:20:35.680 --> 01:20:36.840
But California, that.

1515
01:20:36.920 --> 01:20:39.319
Is a mess there about this story.

1516
01:20:39.359 --> 01:20:43.960
Go ahead, Yeah, that's a good contrast. So California passed

1517
01:20:44.000 --> 01:20:46.840
something called Proposition fifty, and there is a this is

1518
01:20:46.880 --> 01:20:49.560
a law. But first of all, in California, they have

1519
01:20:49.640 --> 01:20:51.640
they said they send it to the voters in California,

1520
01:20:51.720 --> 01:20:54.479
and that that is in some ways it's good, but

1521
01:20:54.560 --> 01:20:56.439
in a lot of ways, the voting system in California

1522
01:20:56.479 --> 01:20:59.600
is so messed up because there's so many male ballots

1523
01:20:59.600 --> 01:21:02.960
floating around. The system is exposed to so to so

1524
01:21:03.000 --> 01:21:07.039
many mischievous and fraudulent activities. So setting that aside, let's

1525
01:21:07.079 --> 01:21:11.319
let's assume project Proposition fifty was validly you know, validly

1526
01:21:11.359 --> 01:21:14.560
passed or validly voted on by the legislature I mean

1527
01:21:14.640 --> 01:21:18.159
by the people, not the people, by the people. That one,

1528
01:21:18.359 --> 01:21:21.279
there's a lot of evidence that indicates that the motivating

1529
01:21:21.359 --> 01:21:24.680
factor for those congressional districts was race. In fact, there's

1530
01:21:24.720 --> 01:21:28.319
evidence on it on the record that shows that the

1531
01:21:28.399 --> 01:21:32.560
people that were supporting Proposition fifty and were proposing these

1532
01:21:32.600 --> 01:21:37.720
new congressional districts was to maximize the power of the

1533
01:21:37.800 --> 01:21:41.479
Hispanic vote. I mean, that's basically a quote from the

1534
01:21:41.560 --> 01:21:45.399
people who were proffering Proposition five, to increase the power

1535
01:21:45.439 --> 01:21:49.720
of the Hispanic vote. So okay, well, then that clearly

1536
01:21:49.760 --> 01:21:52.399
when we were talking about what is your motivating factor here?

1537
01:21:52.520 --> 01:21:54.720
Is it to increase They weren't saying, I don't know why.

1538
01:21:54.760 --> 01:21:57.079
They weren't saying increase the power of the Democrat vote. No,

1539
01:21:57.119 --> 01:21:59.600
they were saying the power of the Hispanic vote. Okay, Well,

1540
01:21:59.640 --> 01:22:02.520
then I have to be left with the conclusion that

1541
01:22:02.600 --> 01:22:05.359
the motivating factor for these new congressional districts that you

1542
01:22:05.359 --> 01:22:07.279
guys have profered on and that we have voted for,

1543
01:22:07.880 --> 01:22:10.720
wasn't to increase Democrat party power. It was to increase

1544
01:22:10.760 --> 01:22:14.079
Hispanic power. Okay, well, then guess what, Even though Hispanic

1545
01:22:14.119 --> 01:22:16.439
power and Democrat power might be one and the same,

1546
01:22:17.000 --> 01:22:19.720
you're not saying Democrat power, You're saying Hispanic power. And

1547
01:22:19.760 --> 01:22:22.079
if I can present to you, for example, an alternative

1548
01:22:22.640 --> 01:22:27.159
congressional map that shows that that where I set aside,

1549
01:22:27.600 --> 01:22:29.560
you know that I set aside that I say, hey, look,

1550
01:22:29.560 --> 01:22:32.079
this is one where it's it's partisan base but not

1551
01:22:32.199 --> 01:22:35.239
race based, which was probably the existing one, right, you

1552
01:22:35.279 --> 01:22:38.560
know it was the existing congressional map in California, then

1553
01:22:38.560 --> 01:22:40.439
you're going to have a problem. So I think Proposition

1554
01:22:40.520 --> 01:22:42.960
fifty might be, might be a little might be more

1555
01:22:43.039 --> 01:22:45.600
vulnerable than Texas. And again this sounds like I'm arguing

1556
01:22:45.600 --> 01:22:47.600
from both sides of my mouth, but keeping keep in

1557
01:22:47.680 --> 01:22:49.880
mind here what we're talking about. We're talking about is

1558
01:22:49.960 --> 01:22:52.399
race the motivating factor for how you can figure these

1559
01:22:52.439 --> 01:22:55.840
congressional districts? And California looks like there's evidence to suggest

1560
01:22:56.079 --> 01:22:58.640
that race was the motivating factor. In Texas, it looks

1561
01:22:58.680 --> 01:23:02.960
like it was the other side. It was partisanship partisan right. Well,

1562
01:23:03.479 --> 01:23:04.920
I know it's a lot to keep in your mind,

1563
01:23:04.920 --> 01:23:06.680
but that's just the way election law.

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Works, right exactly.

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Stay tuned for details, and keep on your seat belts

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we'll leave it there for now. He's the Assistant General

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Counsel Landmark Legal. Mike O'Neil, Mike, Happy Thanksgiving to you

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Welcome morning, and welcome back Bill Martinez here, and ow

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do we got to treat from you? This is becoming

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an annual event. I love talking to you guys every time.

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About this year. I mean, they're on the Mayflower too,

1637
01:27:12.399 --> 01:27:15.640
and we're going to talk about Thanksgiving Plymouth Rock and

1638
01:27:15.680 --> 01:27:19.640
we've got historians Richard Pickering and Mayflower descendant and Plymot

1639
01:27:19.720 --> 01:27:23.279
Tourism official Lee Filson joining us now, good morning, welcome

1640
01:27:23.279 --> 01:27:23.600
to the show.

1641
01:27:23.640 --> 01:27:24.359
Good to have you with.

1642
01:27:24.319 --> 01:27:26.239
Us, Good morning, good happy Thanksgiving.

1643
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Good to be with you again.

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Exactly well, with Thanksgiving right around the corner, so is

1645
01:27:31.359 --> 01:27:34.760
all the attention turning to Plymouth, Massachusetts, as it should.

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We put our hand over our hearts every time we

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say that, it's the place where four hundred and four

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years ago the Mayflower Pilgrims held a harvest feast to

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celebrate their first successful growing season. Preparations now full swing

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for Plymouth Big annual Thanksgiving Parade, where you're going to

1651
01:27:50.920 --> 01:27:56.119
see floats commemorating the historical origins of America's oldest holiday.

1652
01:27:56.479 --> 01:27:57.479
Richard, are you excited?

1653
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I am.

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I have and had a Thanksgiving with my family in decades.

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But for me having the privilege of helping families build

1656
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that indelible memory that's going to bring them all together,

1657
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that's a huge privilege.

1658
01:28:13.800 --> 01:28:15.079
Yes, exactly well.

1659
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Lee keeps tempting me, she keeps saying she's going to

1660
01:28:17.279 --> 01:28:19.439
bring me out there so that we could do the

1661
01:28:19.479 --> 01:28:24.159
show live. And I'm I'm still waiting for my official

1662
01:28:24.239 --> 01:28:25.319
invitation Lee, by the.

1663
01:28:25.279 --> 01:28:26.760
Way, but don't go guilt right away.

1664
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Can you come this year?

1665
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Yeah?

1666
01:28:30.039 --> 01:28:32.840
Oh, I'd love to, you know, And I say that

1667
01:28:32.920 --> 01:28:35.880
every year because it just sounds so exciting and I

1668
01:28:35.920 --> 01:28:38.880
love history. And here we are, I mean, the epicenter

1669
01:28:39.000 --> 01:28:40.399
of American history, right.

1670
01:28:41.680 --> 01:28:44.680
Yes, I mean we are America's hometown. And the reason

1671
01:28:44.680 --> 01:28:48.119
we're America's hometown is because this is the very place

1672
01:28:48.159 --> 01:28:51.359
that that ship Mayflower sailed across to the New Land.

1673
01:28:51.560 --> 01:28:56.199
And when everyone disembarked, instead of just traders and hunters

1674
01:28:56.279 --> 01:28:59.319
and men who were there to do nothing but do business,

1675
01:29:00.279 --> 01:29:03.720
you saw complete families get off the ship and actually

1676
01:29:03.880 --> 01:29:06.760
settle a place that then grew into be America.

1677
01:29:07.279 --> 01:29:10.119
And there it is today. I mean, how unbelievable. Richard.

1678
01:29:10.199 --> 01:29:13.119
You say, you missed your family, but it's well worthwhile,

1679
01:29:13.239 --> 01:29:16.159
you say, because you know Plymouth. I mean, you may

1680
01:29:16.199 --> 01:29:18.960
not be your family, but you're right there with something

1681
01:29:19.000 --> 01:29:21.800
that's iconically synonymous with Thanksgiving.

1682
01:29:21.359 --> 01:29:22.600
Right exactly.

1683
01:29:22.760 --> 01:29:26.880
And when I host Thanksgiving dinners here at the museum,

1684
01:29:27.000 --> 01:29:31.119
I say to people, you are having the same meal

1685
01:29:31.319 --> 01:29:35.039
that was served at Harvard the year that President Lincoln

1686
01:29:35.119 --> 01:29:39.800
declared the first national Thanksgiving in decades, But you're sitting

1687
01:29:39.840 --> 01:29:43.119
at a table with strangers, and those that were at

1688
01:29:43.119 --> 01:29:46.560
the first Thanksgiving couldn't speak to one another. The English

1689
01:29:46.560 --> 01:29:50.119
didn't speak Wampanog. Only a handful of Wampanog spoke English

1690
01:29:50.199 --> 01:29:53.720
and could translate. You all can. So what I need

1691
01:29:53.760 --> 01:29:56.119
you to do is reach out to the stranger at

1692
01:29:56.159 --> 01:29:59.479
your table today. Why are you here? Why was it

1693
01:29:59.520 --> 01:30:02.880
important for Plymouth to be one of the Thanksgivings in

1694
01:30:02.920 --> 01:30:05.720
your life? Who is the first American in your family?

1695
01:30:05.760 --> 01:30:06.399
If you know it?

1696
01:30:06.760 --> 01:30:11.079
And people tell one another their stories and it's the

1697
01:30:11.159 --> 01:30:15.560
American experience at its best. So taking that example of

1698
01:30:16.039 --> 01:30:20.039
people in the sixteen hundreds reaching towards one another, we

1699
01:30:20.159 --> 01:30:22.920
can do the same. And that's what we do with

1700
01:30:23.000 --> 01:30:26.359
Thanksgiving here at the museum is how do you make friendships?

1701
01:30:26.680 --> 01:30:28.560
You know, Lee, you and I've been talking for a

1702
01:30:28.600 --> 01:30:31.399
couple of years now, and people will tell me to go.

1703
01:30:31.560 --> 01:30:33.680
You know, Bill, it wasn't on my bucket list before,

1704
01:30:34.079 --> 01:30:35.960
but this is on my bucket list right.

1705
01:30:36.640 --> 01:30:39.159
It needs to be on your bucket list because, first

1706
01:30:39.239 --> 01:30:41.840
of all, you're going to come and learn a foundational

1707
01:30:41.920 --> 01:30:47.359
American story, which really it affects everyone because the Mayflower

1708
01:30:47.399 --> 01:30:51.720
Pilgrims are America's family because they were our first immigrants.

1709
01:30:51.760 --> 01:30:55.239
But in Plymouth we have immigrants from many, many places,

1710
01:30:55.279 --> 01:30:57.960
and we tell all of their stories, but it's not

1711
01:30:58.319 --> 01:31:01.640
just all history. And also have a ton of good time.

1712
01:31:01.800 --> 01:31:04.760
You can go to group hops all over the place.

1713
01:31:04.800 --> 01:31:07.439
We've got a bunch of them. We've got restaurants that

1714
01:31:07.600 --> 01:31:12.079
also give you food from every ethnicity. We've also got

1715
01:31:12.119 --> 01:31:14.159
whale watches, and it goes on and on.

1716
01:31:15.560 --> 01:31:19.119
So you won't get bored there, right, Richard, I.

1717
01:31:19.119 --> 01:31:20.560
Will never get bored here.

1718
01:31:21.159 --> 01:31:24.199
And Bill, one of the embarrassing things is I've been

1719
01:31:24.239 --> 01:31:27.520
here forty five years. You think i'd know more than

1720
01:31:27.560 --> 01:31:30.640
I do. And I still think Richard, you're sixty five

1721
01:31:30.720 --> 01:31:33.840
years old and this insight is only coming to you now.

1722
01:31:33.960 --> 01:31:37.840
So the story is like a diamond that you look

1723
01:31:37.880 --> 01:31:42.239
at from facet after facet. So I will never ever

1724
01:31:42.600 --> 01:31:43.479
be bored here.

1725
01:31:43.800 --> 01:31:45.760
Well, it's like a good Thanksgiving meal, you know.

1726
01:31:45.840 --> 01:31:49.359
Sometimes you know it may instantly taste good, but man

1727
01:31:49.439 --> 01:31:52.960
something about it afterwards as you remember.

1728
01:31:53.079 --> 01:31:55.039
And then, of course, as you mentioned.

1729
01:31:54.880 --> 01:31:58.520
Having you know people that you don't know around the table,

1730
01:31:58.960 --> 01:32:02.520
and here it is Thanksgiving the spirit of Thanksgiving is

1731
01:32:02.560 --> 01:32:04.880
bringing people together in a very special way.

1732
01:32:04.720 --> 01:32:05.640
Right exactly.

1733
01:32:05.920 --> 01:32:09.119
And the stories that I get told because you and

1734
01:32:09.199 --> 01:32:12.439
I know each other now after all these years, there

1735
01:32:12.479 --> 01:32:15.079
are times I spend part of my Thanksgiving Day and

1736
01:32:15.159 --> 01:32:18.720
tears because of what people tell me during a meal

1737
01:32:19.239 --> 01:32:23.479
or between a meal, that they've become so safe that

1738
01:32:23.560 --> 01:32:28.119
they are telling the most vulnerable and poignant things about

1739
01:32:28.159 --> 01:32:30.840
their lives and why it was important to be here

1740
01:32:31.359 --> 01:32:35.159
and just to be able to share that kindness and

1741
01:32:35.319 --> 01:32:37.840
be there for someone else. That's what this is all about,

1742
01:32:38.239 --> 01:32:39.840
as every day should be about.

1743
01:32:40.359 --> 01:32:40.880
Exactly.

1744
01:32:41.159 --> 01:32:45.000
Well, I love Thanksgiving being where it is, Lee. It's

1745
01:32:45.000 --> 01:32:48.039
the start of a season of gratitude, isn't.

1746
01:32:47.800 --> 01:32:51.760
It It is. It's a season of gratitude and kindness.

1747
01:32:52.119 --> 01:32:55.640
It's a season when everybody can put everything else aside

1748
01:32:56.199 --> 01:33:00.439
and just enjoy the joy of knowing each other and

1749
01:33:00.560 --> 01:33:04.039
enjoying a great meal and doing some wonderful things, seeing

1750
01:33:04.359 --> 01:33:07.119
going to see a movie together. There's so many different

1751
01:33:07.199 --> 01:33:10.239
things that people love about the holidays.

1752
01:33:10.600 --> 01:33:13.720
Yes, exactly, Richard, being the resident historian that you are.

1753
01:33:14.640 --> 01:33:18.760
Why is the first Thanksgiving at Plymouth considered the first

1754
01:33:18.760 --> 01:33:21.760
celebration of the Thanksgiving holiday in this country.

1755
01:33:22.119 --> 01:33:27.399
In the eighteen thirties, minister by the name of Alexander

1756
01:33:27.439 --> 01:33:30.880
Young found a pamphlet that had been lost for more

1757
01:33:30.920 --> 01:33:35.359
than two hundred years, and it described the pilgrim's harvest

1758
01:33:35.359 --> 01:33:39.960
feasts in the late September early October sixteen twenty one.

1759
01:33:40.159 --> 01:33:45.560
And everything described in Edward Winslow's letter was similar to

1760
01:33:45.680 --> 01:33:49.319
the Thanksgiving holiday that had already developed in New England,

1761
01:33:49.479 --> 01:33:53.399
even though the earlier event was completely forgotten. But in

1762
01:33:53.479 --> 01:33:57.560
that moment when he writes in the footnote, that was

1763
01:33:57.600 --> 01:34:01.960
the first Thanksgiving. From that moment, Plymouth became the location

1764
01:34:02.119 --> 01:34:04.399
of the nation's Thanksgiving holiday.

1765
01:34:04.640 --> 01:34:07.479
Lee, I imagine there's a lot of people are making

1766
01:34:07.520 --> 01:34:08.680
this an annual event.

1767
01:34:08.840 --> 01:34:11.239
Right, It's just so enjoyable.

1768
01:34:11.800 --> 01:34:15.800
Thanksgiving takes on a whole new meaning for them by

1769
01:34:15.840 --> 01:34:17.000
going to Plymouth.

1770
01:34:17.079 --> 01:34:17.239
Right.

1771
01:34:17.720 --> 01:34:20.199
And the parade, Yes, it does, And the parade is

1772
01:34:20.239 --> 01:34:23.720
so fun. It happens every year the weekend before Thanksgiving,

1773
01:34:24.199 --> 01:34:27.840
and then people will come and they'll enjoy the Thanksgiving Parade.

1774
01:34:28.199 --> 01:34:31.720
Learn about this history, plus about the history of America,

1775
01:34:31.800 --> 01:34:35.520
because each float represents a different time in America. Then

1776
01:34:35.600 --> 01:34:37.199
they can relax.

1777
01:34:36.760 --> 01:34:37.479
And go to Plymouth.

1778
01:34:37.520 --> 01:34:42.199
The Texas museum for that traditional Thanksgiving old style meal.

1779
01:34:42.840 --> 01:34:43.680
So much to do.

1780
01:34:44.199 --> 01:34:45.239
Yeah, how many floats?

1781
01:34:45.960 --> 01:34:46.520
Oh gosh?

1782
01:34:46.640 --> 01:34:50.199
Usually maybe well over thirty or maybe forty.

1783
01:34:50.880 --> 01:34:52.359
Lee, only because I got you right now and I

1784
01:34:52.399 --> 01:34:56.600
got your attention, share with us one of your favorite stories, Oh.

1785
01:34:56.439 --> 01:35:00.079
Gosh, one of my favorite stories. He's the storyteller. One

1786
01:35:00.119 --> 01:35:03.520
of my favorite stories, though, I guess, is watching the children.

1787
01:35:04.159 --> 01:35:07.000
You know, the children, just the look on their face

1788
01:35:07.079 --> 01:35:10.319
whenever they see the floats going by and everything going on.

1789
01:35:11.159 --> 01:35:14.800
And it's always so interesting to see families that bring

1790
01:35:14.840 --> 01:35:18.439
their children to the various monuments and such and watch

1791
01:35:18.560 --> 01:35:22.399
them leaning over and explaining and seeing the awe on

1792
01:35:22.600 --> 01:35:27.640
kids' faces. Anyone who says history is boring, it's not

1793
01:35:27.760 --> 01:35:28.359
in Plymouth.

1794
01:35:28.920 --> 01:35:29.920
Yeah, exactly.

1795
01:35:30.399 --> 01:35:32.399
I think it'd been near plus, especially like you say,

1796
01:35:32.600 --> 01:35:35.239
when you watch the kid's expression. I mean, that's priceless,

1797
01:35:35.279 --> 01:35:37.720
isn't it, Richard. You know we touched on this a

1798
01:35:37.800 --> 01:35:40.760
little bit. Lots of things to do. They're at Plymouth right.

1799
01:35:41.159 --> 01:35:45.920
Yes, that we are a place filled with museums. And

1800
01:35:45.960 --> 01:35:50.439
what I love about our relationship to the Plymouth an

1801
01:35:50.520 --> 01:35:54.800
Aquarian Society and Pilgrim Hall. They have all the originals,

1802
01:35:55.439 --> 01:35:58.359
so they have the things that might have passed through

1803
01:35:58.399 --> 01:36:02.760
the hands of Mayflower passing. We are a completely accurate

1804
01:36:02.800 --> 01:36:06.159
reproduction of all of that that people can touch and

1805
01:36:06.279 --> 01:36:12.000
see in living action, and so the community together creates

1806
01:36:12.039 --> 01:36:17.640
this wonderful portrait that is the legacy itself protected and

1807
01:36:17.680 --> 01:36:22.520
then the legacy itself reproduced and enacted and explored, and

1808
01:36:22.560 --> 01:36:26.319
the act of exploring the past, of recreating it is

1809
01:36:26.359 --> 01:36:27.640
an active discovery.

1810
01:36:28.079 --> 01:36:30.680
We've been talking with Richard Pickering and Mayflower descendant and

1811
01:36:30.720 --> 01:36:37.119
Plymouth Tourism official Lee Philson. Richard is the official Plymouth

1812
01:36:37.199 --> 01:36:40.239
rock historian, so we love having him on the show

1813
01:36:40.319 --> 01:36:42.399
as well. As we wrap things up, Lee, it's your

1814
01:36:42.439 --> 01:36:45.560
responsibility to tell everybody where they can go for more information.

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You can go to Sea Plymouth dot com or just

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How are you well, So good to be back. Thank

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you for having me.

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Appreciate it.

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Well, I'm excited to talk about America Reads the Bible

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because you know so often in the Old Testament.

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And of course I know this movement.

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Was inspired by the scribe Ezra, and when Ezra spoke

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the word of God, things happened, right.

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Of course, I mean the bottom money that God has

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not changed. And as long as we continue to declare

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his word, and you know, make sure that it's about

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his word, he don't confirm it with signs following.

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Right, well, because we know the power of His word.

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Time and again, walls come falling down, universes are created,

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miracles happen, and that is still taking place even as

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you and I are talking.

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That is correct, And I think the people of God

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need to be aware that all God needs is for

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them to stand upon his word, declare his word, live

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about his word.

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It's all about his word.

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And as we make him through his word first and

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foremost again, will watch the God of the Bible be

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who he is and who he wants to be in

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our lives.

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Yeah, well, you consider the condition not only of America

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but the world today, Cameron, and I know this grieves

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you and your wife Bjay, who is also involved in

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this movement. I mean, it's just such a blessing and

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commitment that you two have made in the midst of

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everything else that you're involved in. But you know, when

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you consider what's happening in the world today, and I

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know in your time of prayer and devotion, you look out.

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Whether we're talking, you know your home, your home country

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of Haiti. If we're talking, you know what's going on

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in Nigeria right now.

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We still have a war in Ukraine.

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We've got what's going on with the gods, I think

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right now, according to researchers or something like nineteen wars

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in the world today.

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We need God, don't.

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We We always do.

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And the thing about it is that even while we're

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talking about, you know, coming back to His word and

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reading the Bible and everything else, the reality of it

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is that the world the Word lets us know what

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we're seeing right now, the atmosphere that that we're in

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right now, God is not.

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Caught off guard.

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If we were just abiding that word, we'd realize the

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birth pain, we'll realize that we're in that place where

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we are to be preparing for his return. And so

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as we watch all this man at the same time,

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because the Word lets us know, it's also a time

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for us to be excited about what God is doing

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the bottom line is that he wants to save the

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world through us, and so it's very important for us

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to get back to that word and understand it. Then

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we can under in ourselves and what's happening around the world.

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You know, Canerri you touched on something.

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It's so key here, and that is that the Word

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of God is so discerning in the midst of all

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this chaos and confusion.

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Your truth, my truth.

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Everything's relative, you know, the wackiness that's going on, whether

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or not men should be allowed in women's restrooms or

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compete with women, and all this stuff that we say, well,

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this is like an eighty twenty or a ninety ten issue.

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But regardless of that, I mean, we're at each other's

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throats at this level, at the ground level, right, and

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we need to bring it up to the heaven LEAs

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to find out and really, you know.

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Evaluate what's happening.

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Here on earth so that we can bring It's not

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so much, but we want we want earth to reflect

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what's up in heaven. It's not that we want Heaven

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to reflect what's what's in earth.

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Right, well, of course not, and by the grace of God,

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heaven will never reflect what's happening on earth. You know,

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God or Heaven will not change. God will not change,

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and it's us that have to, you know, get to

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the word and place to allow it to change us.

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But again, that's the thing God shows us through his

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word that he says in his Kingdom, in his Church

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there are four kinds of ground, and only one is good.

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And so the reality of the situation is, even though

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it may have not been the chaotic to the surface

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that it is now, they always have three quarters of

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the ground that are not necessarily agreeing with the word

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of God. And so there's always that confidence happening even

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within the church. And as we go forward in life,

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we see more and more the separation between the true believers,

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those who are obeying God, and those who just go

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to church. And then we realize that they're not living

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because as easy and simple as something as a male

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should not go in a female's bathroom, right, all divisive

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that has become. It shows you that on the inside

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of us, we've not really been together in the first place.

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Yeah, yeah, no, you're exactly yeah, because otherwise you're just

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going through the motions and what we're talking about, and

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you make it clear that God's judgment always starts in

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his house.

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Right, so when when Jesus came, he went.

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Straight for the Pharisees and the Sadducees, those that took

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the ten Commandments and made them into ten volumes of

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different things that you had to do in order to

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sort of work your way up to God.

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Right, that's right, you know, I mean, it starts with

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the fact that as leaders, we're the ones that are

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supposed to be not only proclaiming and declaiming the word

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of God, but also living it out in such a

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way that people can see what it looks like by

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it being lived out. And unfortunately, you know, I believe

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that we've you know, made politics first, we made gender first,

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we made you know, color first, all those other things

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that take away the reality of us being that spiritual

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01:46:46.800 --> 01:46:49.439
being a child, the son of God that is in

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his image and his likeness. And so we've allowed too

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many things to come in and so those things keep

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01:46:54.760 --> 01:46:57.560
us apart, make us apart, but it also shows who's

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his and who's.

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Not right exactly our sense idols.

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01:47:01.920 --> 01:47:04.399
Oh, without a doubt, we've made everything in an idol.

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We've made everything before God. And that's why we're told

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seek first the Kingdom of God and his righteousness, and

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the reality of it is that we've allowed so many

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other things to become first in our mind that we

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identified with as opposed to identifying with the Lord Jesus Christ.

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The Word of God is pure. He says that the

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word that speaks to their spirit in their life. And

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so once that word really enters inside you and you

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actually abide in it, you live in it, you live

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01:47:32.800 --> 01:47:35.399
by it. Because of it, it pushes everything else out.

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It's like taking good water in and whatever talks and

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01:47:38.439 --> 01:47:40.600
the soda is there, all the thing that's on the inside,

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01:47:40.800 --> 01:47:42.359
it starts pushing it out.

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01:47:42.159 --> 01:47:44.520
Of your pores. Well, if you take the good.

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01:47:44.279 --> 01:47:46.800
In the right word, the right word in is going

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01:47:46.880 --> 01:47:50.840
to push all the other idols out of your system.

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01:47:51.159 --> 01:47:53.199
But the problem is that we're actually living by those

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01:47:53.199 --> 01:47:55.600
idols in the allowing of society to speak to us

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01:47:55.600 --> 01:47:57.960
and instead of us pouring out to them.

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01:47:58.199 --> 01:48:01.600
And as you say, sanctification is a process, it's not

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necessarily immediate, because, like you said, we've got to get

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01:48:05.000 --> 01:48:08.520
this junk out of our system, things that we've been

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01:48:08.560 --> 01:48:11.000
trained in condition by. I mean, look at the children

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01:48:11.039 --> 01:48:13.439
of Israel. They're on the desert for forty years, and

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01:48:13.520 --> 01:48:16.399
God was putting them through a sanctification process to such

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01:48:16.399 --> 01:48:19.039
a point that the first generation, you know, they just

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01:48:19.119 --> 01:48:21.960
messed up. They just not for the sake of them.

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They would just not let go, would they.

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Yeah.

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And you know, like the scriptures talk about the fact

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that it's written for our examples. And the bottom line

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01:48:29.479 --> 01:48:31.199
is that he brought them out of Egypt, but couldn't

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01:48:31.239 --> 01:48:33.840
get each of out of them, and so the reality

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01:48:33.840 --> 01:48:35.840
of that they had to die off and the young

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01:48:35.840 --> 01:48:36.640
ones had to come in.

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01:48:37.039 --> 01:48:39.000
And so now we're dealing with the same thing. There's

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a sanctification process.

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We are left here and the world of God again

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01:48:43.680 --> 01:48:46.279
reveals to us that we have to renew our own minds.

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We have to make bring that mind back to the

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place it was before it fell. And the only way

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01:48:51.680 --> 01:48:53.640
for you to do that, us to do that is

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01:48:53.680 --> 01:48:55.399
to take on the word of God and let it walk,

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01:48:55.720 --> 01:48:59.039
let it wash all of our thoughts, all of our opinions,

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01:48:59.279 --> 01:49:01.600
all of our every thing, and renew it to the

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01:49:01.640 --> 01:49:04.439
word of God. And we begin then to agree with

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01:49:04.479 --> 01:49:08.000
God and with Heaven, and we are now able to

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01:49:08.079 --> 01:49:10.119
live out of way that we actually pour out to

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01:49:10.199 --> 01:49:12.159
the world and see the world change the way that

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it's supposed to.

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You know, Cameron, again, when you consider the condition of

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01:49:15.920 --> 01:49:18.399
the world as it stands right now, some people might say,

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01:49:18.680 --> 01:49:21.239
how come America doesn't read the Bible today? Why are

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01:49:21.279 --> 01:49:25.680
we waiting until the Museum of the Bible's event scheduled

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01:49:25.680 --> 01:49:26.279
in April.

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You know, like you said, sectification is a process, and

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01:49:32.520 --> 01:49:35.800
it's not that I believe or think that those who

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01:49:35.840 --> 01:49:38.720
truly belong to God are waiting until that point. It's

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really a matter of those who really belong to God

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01:49:41.720 --> 01:49:44.880
are being that example on that day for everyone else

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to also take hold and continue on with the rest

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of their lives.

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I think that because there are enough.

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People that truly believe and truly live by the word

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01:49:56.640 --> 01:49:59.640
of God, God is able to get over to us, Hey,

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01:50:00.199 --> 01:50:03.560
bring the nation back, bring the world back, by being

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01:50:03.680 --> 01:50:05.920
or at least sitting aside a day that they can

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01:50:06.039 --> 01:50:08.319
see the process.

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Here the word on the airways, and hopefully that war

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will prick some one of those words, will pick somebody

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01:50:17.880 --> 01:50:19.760
and bring them back in, because only the work can

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do that.

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Well, you say today, but it's actually gonna take place

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on April eighteen through the twenty fifth, so it's days

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that we'll be participating in this, and I'm just I'm

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so excited because you know, meanwhile, and we're talking about

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it early for a build up, because like anything, there's

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01:50:35.720 --> 01:50:40.800
always that build up, even circling you know, circling Jericho.

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01:50:41.119 --> 01:50:43.479
It was six days of build up and then we

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had the seventh.

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Day, right right, that's correct, and the walls came down, Okay, And.

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We're watching through this process. We're watching that build up happen.

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We're watching people get involved.

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You brought.

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I would mess up her last name.

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But you know, when you're dealing with the people that

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01:51:04.079 --> 01:51:09.359
have given themselves to deal with becoming spokespersons, Candace Cameron,

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01:51:10.319 --> 01:51:14.359
we're involved and she's have been in the forefront, both

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01:51:14.399 --> 01:51:17.159
her and Kirk have been in the forefront so long

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01:51:17.239 --> 01:51:20.159
now as people that really not only came from the

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world perspective, but that the salvation of God took, you know,

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01:51:26.199 --> 01:51:28.079
and you can tell by the change of their lives

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that they are now people who truly belong to God

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01:51:31.039 --> 01:51:33.439
and that God is using to call the church back,

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01:51:33.479 --> 01:51:36.000
and so it's good to have them as part of

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this process.

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Exactly America Reads the Bible, celebrating our nations two hundred

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and fiftieth anniversary at the Museum of the Bible take

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01:51:44.000 --> 01:51:46.359
place in April eighteenth to the twenty fifth, and of

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course we'll keep you with updates as well. Cameron Arnett,

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the award winning actor in TV, film and theater, hailing

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from Port to Prince Haiti, of course, one of the

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main actors for the Forge that we love dearly. So

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many people are inspired even to this day and as

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he mentioned, along with Full House the View actress Candice

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Cameron Burg, Cameron, thank you.

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Always appreciate the time than the burpart, but thank you,

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Thank you, God, Bless God, Bless you.

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