Nov. 21, 2025

The Bill Martinez Show 11 21 25

The Bill Martinez Show 11 21 25
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The Bill Martinez Show 11 21 25
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Are you ready? Yeah, Okay, let's do it.

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Ill Martinas Live a program about current events, our culture,

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our values, our politics, and our future.

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And now Bill Martinez, Hey, well.

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Good morning America. Six minutes half top of the hour.

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If I can say, on the early side, okay, happy Thanksgiving.

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As we're getting ready, you know, it's just around the corner. No,

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we're gonna talk a little bit about that. But we

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get a lot coming up on the show. I think

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you're gonna enjoy. We've got Deroy Murdoch is going to

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be up in a moment and talking about the old

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playbook of the Democrats. You know it's always worked. White

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give it up now, right, you know when in doubt.

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Of course, they have no doubt whatsoever. It's just that

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you just blame the other party. You blame the Republicans

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for all the problems, right, even though the Republicans never

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voted for it. It's not their policies. It's the Democrats policies

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that have all been failed. But now, nonetheless, you know,

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you just blame Republicans. That's the modus OPERENDI. Also, we've

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got Grover Norquist, the President of America's for tax reform

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he'll be here to talk about, you know, talk about healthcare,

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speaking of policies that the Democrats have given us, we

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the people, you know, that policy that that healthcare program

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that we had to pass in order to find out

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what sinity remember that's there. And then also, you know,

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again in the spirit of Thanksgiving, as I mentioned, you know,

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with it being just around the corner and all all attention,

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especially in the Northeast, is turning to Plymouth, Massachusetts, the

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place where four hundred and four years ago, the Mayflower

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Pilgrims held a harvest feast to celebrate their first successful

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growing season. Preparations right now are in full swing for

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Plymouths big annual Thanksgiving Parade, where you're going to see

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the floats commemorating the historical origin of America's oldest holiday,

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and it gives the background of the Mayflower to Thanksgiving

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and Plymouth rock our historian Richard Pickering and Mayflower Decent

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and Plummet tourism official Lee Filson. And then we're going

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to wrap things up with focus on the families. Plugged

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in spokesman Adam Holtz as he drops in to talk about,

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you know, some movies from Wicked We're also going to

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talk about A King and Country and their new documentary,

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plus a new movie that I saw recently called merv

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It's a delightful movie. It's gonna be great for the family,

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especially if you love dogs. So you know, stay tuned

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for that. That will all be coming up. But I

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want to go back and really focus in on what

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Deroy Murdoch is writing about in terms of the Democrats

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playbook of you know, blaming, blaming the Republicans. It kind

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of reminds me of this old anecdote. I don't know

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if you've heard this before, but it's the story of

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Stalin telling Khrushcheff to blame him, pretty much an accepted

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political anecdote or urban urban legend, you might say. Supposedly,

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on his deathbed or at some private meeting before his death,

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Joseph Stalin gives this accessor Nikita Krouschef, two sealed envelopes.

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He instructs Khrushchef to open them only when facing an

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insurmountable crisis. Well, sure enough, you know, as politics goes

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and as crisis goes, they come, and one came. Khrushchef

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eventually faces a difficult situation like failed economic policies, which

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was you know, that was just Russia. It was set,

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you know, kind of it was on a default mode

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to end up there anyway. And so after a failed

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economic policy that wasn't work, he opens up the first

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letter and the note inside reads, blame everything on me Stalin. Right,

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So Khrushchef takes his orders from the envelope and he

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does so, and he famously did that in the nineteen

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fifty six secret speech denouncing Stalin's personality cult and his crimes.

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And the strategy works to deflect public and party criticism, right,

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all right, So get people to look somewhere else except

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the real source of the problem. Well, later Khrushchev finds

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himself with a second, more dire crisis. He opens the

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second envelope, which which contains the note that reads, sit

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down and write two letters. And this has kind of

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been the a nauseum playbook of the Democrats. They've got

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two letters that have been perpetually circulating. But they don't blame,

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you know, somebody within their political party. They blame the Republicans.

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And of course what's always been their covers, the mainstream news.

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Right when you've got the bias of the mainstream news

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fake news as Donald Trump would refer to them. And

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I think more and more Americans are coming to that

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conclusion as well, because they're just they're just so disconnected

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from the truth. It's almost like they have an anathema

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for the truth. And it's sad and disappointing and very

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costly for we the people, because we do need a

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free press. Democracy really demands a free press in order

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to stay in the light, never to be in the darkness.

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But you know, humanoids being what we are, which is

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to say, we're not perfect, and the inclination is to

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is to serve our own purposes and to deceive. Well,

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and when you've got the buy in and the protection

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of a mainstream media, which we've had for years, you know,

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you've got the America that we've got today. I mean

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to the point that the mainstream media is losing its

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credibility and significance. I mean, even with this shutdown, right

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according to MRC, it took them what almost three what

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three weeks? It took him more than that, took them

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almost thirty five days or so before they finally started

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to realize that the problem with the shutdown or the

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people to blame for the shutdown was the Democratic Party themselves.

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It must have been hard for them to do this,

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you know, because you know, they're throwing their own player

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under the bus here, or should I say players and

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admitting finally, but I think that what happened. My read

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on this is that somehow the mainstream media had to

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scramble for some sort of credibility when it was real

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obvious from you know, the get go that the Democrats

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that orchestrated all this, and of course they didn't help

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the cause either, and the mainstream media had a hard

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time trying to cover up you know, statements like you know,

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it's all about leverage, and too many Democrats were out

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there on the airways and TikTok and you know social media,

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you know, telling us the truth that had nothing. I mean,

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they could care less about their constituents, the people that

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they had brought into the fold and said, look at

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give us their vote. You know, we're going to take

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care of you, you know, from you know, from the

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crib to the grave. You got it all covered. You know,

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we're gonna we're gonna watch your back. I mean, it's

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almost like this ridiculous TikTok. I don't know if you

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saw this, it's almost treasonous, if not not even almost

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just blatantly treason us. And that is that you got senators, Democrats,

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senators and congress women telling the military to violate the

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Code of Military Justice. The Code of Military Justice, you know,

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document and doctrine that lays the order and chain of command.

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And they're telling military, well, you know, if you're given

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an illegal order, inferring that Trump is giving illegal orders

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that they don't need to obey it. What's laughable? I

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would this crack me up? I mean, like you would

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trust them because this is what they said. They said, Hey,

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we got your back. So if you you know, you

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think that you've been asked to obey an illegal order,

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you go ahead and you disobey that order, Okay, at

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the risk of you know, being kicked out of the military,

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dishonorable discharge and all that. But hey, they got your back.

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I mean you can trust them, right, I mean, after all,

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they were so trustworthy and the government shut down, they

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watched everybody's back. They could care you know, if you

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were you know, you didn't have your STA snap funds

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and your food stamps weren't there if you were an

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air traffic controller and you had to work for free.

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You know what, what did they care? You know, because

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it was about politics. It was all about political pressure

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that they put on. And see what they did was

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they underestimated the lack of support that the mainstream media.

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The mainstream media could only go with them so far.

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And even when they went with them, it wasn't like

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it was happily necessarily. I mean, of course, they tried

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to do what they always do, and that is that

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you know, turn you know, President Trump into a human

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pinata and try and beat and bruise him up. But

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it was just so obvious from the very beginning that

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this was a ploy by the Democrats. It was hurtful

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on so many levels, not only to the individuals but

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the country at large. I mean, look at what we

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lost in terms of income, you know, billions of dollars.

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But hey, what do they care? You know, they rolled

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the dice. It didn't work, and they're getting away with

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it anyway. Stay tuned. We've got more coming up. I'm

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Hey, we're back with you just about nineteen minutes after

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the top. They are Bill Martinez here for more information

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on the showing at Bill Martinez Live dot com. As

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we were discussing earlier, Murdoch has a great article out,

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and that is that, you know, the Democrats, you know,

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they're still relying on that old political playbook of theirs.

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You think that they ought to get rid of it,

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but you know, hey, it's been working. And that is

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that when anything happens, you just blame the Republicans. They've

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been able to get away with it because the mainstream

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media has backed them up. But you know, less and less,

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the mainstream media does not have the credibility number one

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and deservedly so they have broken trust with the American people.

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This is why less people are connected and reading their

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you know, reading their newspapers or even going to their websites.

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They're finding other forms of alternate information sources, and and

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God bless America for doing that. But again, you know,

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I tell even our listeners don't just take our word

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for it. You know, we bring experts on with the

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caveat that we're pursuing the truth no matter where it leads,

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and we don't want somebody to coming in, you know,

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with a shovel full of manure and turning off the lights,

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you know, so to speak, right, we've got to keep

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everything out in the open and transparent, and we're doing

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everything we can to pursue the truth no matter where

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it leads. You know, as I've told you time and again,

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this isn't about party. Yes, I mean there's things that

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I'll say directly about the Democrats because I think they're

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so egregious, you know, and I'm sorry, I just disagree

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with their policies. And you know, I look over the

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past decades, even as I was growing up, and I'm thinking, well,

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you know, if the Democrats ever got it right, and

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the reason they haven't gotten it right, and probably we'll

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never get it right. And I know some people might say, well,

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you know Bill Clinton, you know he balanced a budget

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and did all this. Well, Bill Clinton did that because

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of Newt Gingrich and the Congress at that time. You know,

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they were very influential the Contract with America. They actually

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wow Republicans and politicians for one of the first times

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in a long time, actually, you know, state to their promise.

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And as a result, Bill Clinton had one of the

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most successful presidencies in the modern era. And if I

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was Bill Clinton, I'd be thanking Newt Gingrich and every

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Republican that was in Congress and Senate at that time,

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because they held him into account, you know, Blue Dress included,

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I mean, set that aside. But we balanced the budget,

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we did things. You know, the Democrats went along, and

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even Bill Clinton at one point had to admit that

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the era. Member, he said, the era of big government

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is over.

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It was a shock. But you know the Democrats at

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the time go yeah, yeah, yeah, and you know that

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too will pass. And it did like real quick, right

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on the other side of you know, of George Bush

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of w so, you know, because they can't help but

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be who they are. And you know, I was sharing

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this with with Grover Norquist and with a couple of

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other experts that I talked with that the thing about

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the Democrats, and I'll give them, I'll give them credit.

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And Grover kind of challenged me a little bit, and

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that's okay. But my perspective is is the Democrats are

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good in a general sense of seeing the problem. They

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may not understand the problem, but they kind of see

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the problem and they put it out there. And of

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course their solution always is, hey, we're just going to

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go to the treasury. We'll just go and get more

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of the people's money. This is why we're thirty eight

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trillion dollars in debt. If you look at that thirty

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eight trillion dollars in debt and you see how much

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the Democrats have contributed to that thirty eight trillion, you go, okay,

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I'm starting to understand how this game works. And the

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other part of how the game works is they go

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to the well to get that money. And don't think

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it's just to be nice guys. You know, as Nancy

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Pelosi said many years ago, it's quid pro quo. You know, hey,

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I'll give you this, but what are you given me?

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And for elected officials, you've got to keep saying this,

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and I'll probably say it till the day I die,

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and maybe you'll start saying it as well. Is that

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the motivation for a lot officials in Congress, this Republican

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or Democrat, Okay, this is bipartisan number one job. They

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go to orientation and their number one job. They're told

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forget about their constituents. Your number one job is to

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get reelected. Now think about that. Okay, they may have

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been on the campaign trail promising all these deliverables, right,

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this is what they were going to do if you

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just gave them your vote. Well, they get to d

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C and all of a sudden, it's almost like you know,

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something out of what was that movie with with Ackroyd anyway,

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where they spray they spray this forgotten uh you know,

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this forgotten ingredient into the faces of the victims and

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oh yeah, that's right, men in black, is what it was.

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And so anyway, I think that's that's what they do,

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is when they go there for orientation, they spray that

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in these elected officials faces. They forget about what they promised.

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And now the new order has come in and their

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new order and dictate is you must get reelected. So

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this is why, you know, our desires are subordinated because

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it's all about getting elected. This is also why and

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you've heard me say this is I'm not I'm not

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one you know for you know career politicians. You know

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there needs to be term limits. We need to probably

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no more than you know, we've got what the president

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can have eight years. Okay, give a couple of rounds

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to the senators. That's twelve years. Maybe give four if

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you want to give five years, you know, five terms

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for Congress, that would give them ten years. That's it. Okay,

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party's over. You know, this isn't about making it a

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career and being like Nancy Pelosi. I know we keep

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picking on her, but it just she makes it so easy.

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You know, as I mentioned to you, when she came

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into office, I think was in eighty two, nineteen eighty two,

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the government it was in debt somewhere around just a

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little over two trillion dollars, right, and you know she's

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got a couple bucks, but nothing like she does now

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because of insider trading, which is very well documented and

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everybody knows. In arguable, even though she, oh, shut up,

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you don't know what you're talking about. She's so funny.

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She cracks me up. She thinks just because she can

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be mean that we're going to ignore the truth. Now

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we know what happened. So anyway, so the government, we

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the people, we're indebted at that point two trillion. Okay,

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she leaves what thirty eight. Thirty nine years later, we're

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now thirty eight trillion in debt and Miss Nancy's worth

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anywhere from one to fifty one hundred and fifty million

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to four hundred million dollars, is you know the number

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is so variable because of the way they you know,

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they can hide this stuff. It's like the p and

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the shell game, right, so, you know, needless to say,

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the United States of America and Congress been betty, Betty

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better be good to Miss Nancy. And here for us,

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we're looking at thirty eight trillion dollars. The debt service

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over a trillion dollars. We're spending a trillion dollars. You know,

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even now they can't stop. We're spending over a trillion

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dollars every sixty days, you know, that's sixty every sixty days.

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We're spending a trillion dollars on something we can't afford,

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on something that we're passing on to our grandkids. And

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now it's into our great grandkids. All right, that's not enough,

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and if the Democrats get their way, it'll be even

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to further generations. Because that's all they know. They just

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know to spend money. They don't know how to create things.

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Now I would say, you know, I say about the Democrats,

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they can see a problem, but they don't see the

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problem and a solution to where it actually, you know,

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helps Americans. First of all. They got to look at

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it at their benefit. It's kind of like, let's go

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back to the mid sixties with President Johnson, and even

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then it wasn't even a problem. He just created a

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problem almost out of thin cloth and said, all right,

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you know here we got all these black folks and

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they're poor, and we need to help them out. And

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even Bob Woodson from the Woodson Institute will show you

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the numbers of where black America was in the mid

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sixties versus where it is now. It's night and day.

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I mean, it's like our education system, right the kids

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used to read, they used to write, they used to

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know arithmetic, you know, fifty years ago. Now it's like

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upside down. You know, after all the trillions of dollars

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we spend in education. It's almost the same thing with

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you know, welfare and what Johnson did. Johnson did this

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on this new plan that he came up with for Democrats.

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As he told the Democrats, he says, look at we

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passed this, he told the seven Southern Democrats because he

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had to convince them. He said, look at we passed this,

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and we'll have blacks. He used a different word, but

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he said, we'll have blacks voting, you know, Democrat for

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the next hundred years. So he debilitated Black America. He

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kneecapped them, made them to dependent on the Democrats. And

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you know, and I tell you whatever, Black Americans still

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are relying on the Democrats. They had to wake up

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after the forty three days of a government shut down

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because guess what. They kicked you to the curb. They

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abandoned you. They could care less about snap problems or

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you know, food for your kids, even though you know

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here it is. They set up programs and said, hey,

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you can count on us where your daddy. We will

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never leave you, will never forsake you until we need

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political leverage. That's what they did. So, I mean, there's

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no hiding it. It's that obvious. And if you can't

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see it, well then I'll tell you you're in trouble.

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And we as Americans, are in trouble because the great

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American idea is at risk right now because of the

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lies that we continue to believe. Well, we'll leave that

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for right now and stay with us because we've got

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505
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Good morning, welcome back. Good to have you with us.

506
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Bill Martinez here along with the one and only to

507
00:28:08.720 --> 00:28:12.240
Roy Murdoch, Manhattan based Fox News contributor. Hey to Roy,

508
00:28:12.279 --> 00:28:13.640
how are we doing great? Bill?

509
00:28:13.640 --> 00:28:14.200
How are you good?

510
00:28:14.200 --> 00:28:16.599
To talk to you? Hey? Always good, Just you know,

511
00:28:16.680 --> 00:28:19.079
having as much fun as they'll let me. I gotta

512
00:28:19.160 --> 00:28:22.279
tell you, you know, you've got to You can't take

513
00:28:22.319 --> 00:28:26.240
the Democrats seriously because if you do, it's so brain bruising.

514
00:28:26.519 --> 00:28:29.319
You just have to kind of sit back. I've resolved

515
00:28:29.359 --> 00:28:31.799
myself that it's going to be entertainment, that's all.

516
00:28:32.119 --> 00:28:36.519
You know, Well, it's the world's most expensive entertainment. You're

517
00:28:36.559 --> 00:28:38.799
paying a trillions of dollars a year for these people

518
00:28:38.960 --> 00:28:39.599
entertain us, you know.

519
00:28:39.759 --> 00:28:42.920
Well, yeah, and the thing but the thing is, yeah,

520
00:28:42.960 --> 00:28:45.640
but what can we do about it? Though nobody's interested

521
00:28:45.680 --> 00:28:48.440
in fixing the problem, They just continue to get away

522
00:28:48.480 --> 00:28:51.880
with this craziness. And uh, you know, and I'm I'm

523
00:28:51.920 --> 00:28:54.680
angry and fed up like most people. And you know,

524
00:28:54.680 --> 00:28:56.000
I was talking to some guys the other day and

525
00:28:56.000 --> 00:28:59.160
they're getting themselves all riled up, and I said, why

526
00:28:59.160 --> 00:29:03.240
are you doing this here? You know, you know, I mean,

527
00:29:03.480 --> 00:29:05.279
you're getting yourself so riled up that you're going to

528
00:29:05.359 --> 00:29:08.519
require a therapist because there's nothing we can really do

529
00:29:08.599 --> 00:29:09.039
about it.

530
00:29:09.680 --> 00:29:11.359
Well, there's one thing we can do, which is, you know,

531
00:29:11.599 --> 00:29:15.039
vote the bastards out of office exactly. Well, yeah, you

532
00:29:15.400 --> 00:29:17.759
go to polls and send them home, you know, give

533
00:29:17.799 --> 00:29:19.559
them the opportunity to thrive in the private sector that

534
00:29:19.599 --> 00:29:21.960
they hate so much. See if these people can can

535
00:29:22.200 --> 00:29:23.480
get both real jobs.

536
00:29:23.960 --> 00:29:26.039
Well, you know, And the thing is deroy is that

537
00:29:26.440 --> 00:29:29.400
only when you when you break down the numbers we've

538
00:29:29.400 --> 00:29:31.920
got roughly, let's just say it's a fifty to fifty split,

539
00:29:32.519 --> 00:29:36.079
fifty percent of us can have a reasonable conversation. We

540
00:29:36.119 --> 00:29:39.640
can laugh and we find that our women and and

541
00:29:39.680 --> 00:29:42.400
that are are are more beautiful than those on the

542
00:29:42.480 --> 00:29:44.799
left that are angry. They're just so eating up from

543
00:29:44.839 --> 00:29:47.440
the inside. I mean, it's kind of a sad, pathetic thing.

544
00:29:47.799 --> 00:29:49.680
And you can't talk to them, and they just want

545
00:29:49.680 --> 00:29:52.960
to be mean spirited and they want to kill you.

546
00:29:53.000 --> 00:29:57.759
Now it's right, yep, it's not even. They're not even

547
00:29:58.079 --> 00:30:00.200
you know about just hurting your feelings. They just want

548
00:30:00.200 --> 00:30:01.359
your dad graveyard dead?

549
00:30:01.440 --> 00:30:01.640
Is that?

550
00:30:01.680 --> 00:30:04.359
One guy said, uh, yeah, this is true. And you

551
00:30:04.440 --> 00:30:07.240
know there's I think there was somebody put out a

552
00:30:07.240 --> 00:30:10.279
a little comment on the extra Instagram. I forget what

553
00:30:10.279 --> 00:30:13.759
what after the terriblest assassination for Charlie Kirk, and he

554
00:30:13.799 --> 00:30:16.400
said something like one down, seventy four million to go, right,

555
00:30:16.480 --> 00:30:18.279
So I guess he wants Yeah, you said they want

556
00:30:18.319 --> 00:30:18.839
us all dead.

557
00:30:19.240 --> 00:30:19.359
Uh.

558
00:30:19.400 --> 00:30:20.680
You know, I think one of the reasons that Mam

559
00:30:20.720 --> 00:30:22.119
Donnie did as well as he did in New York

560
00:30:22.160 --> 00:30:24.799
when obviously won the CEA Hall was unlike most of

561
00:30:24.799 --> 00:30:28.720
the people you describe were angry, mean, bitter, snarling, he

562
00:30:28.880 --> 00:30:33.079
was happy, smiling, cheerful, and uh, you know, it's very

563
00:30:33.160 --> 00:30:35.359
rare to see a happy stalinist. You know that that's

564
00:30:35.400 --> 00:30:37.359
a rarity, and I think that's part of why he

565
00:30:37.400 --> 00:30:38.799
did as well as he did as he did.

566
00:30:39.119 --> 00:30:41.960
It's you're right, it's all in act.

567
00:30:42.319 --> 00:30:44.359
Yeah, well, he's a very good actor, seems to really.

568
00:30:44.440 --> 00:30:46.440
No, no, no, there's no doubt about it. That's the

569
00:30:46.519 --> 00:30:50.480
thing about what makes you know, charming people like Bill Clinton.

570
00:30:50.519 --> 00:30:51.920
I think Bill Clinton has got to be one of

571
00:30:51.960 --> 00:30:54.319
the top ten political charmers of all time.

572
00:30:54.319 --> 00:30:55.000
I think that's right.

573
00:30:55.279 --> 00:30:57.519
And uh and and that's what it is. That's what

574
00:30:57.519 --> 00:31:00.519
makes him so damn Barack Obama. Barack Obama very charming,

575
00:31:01.279 --> 00:31:02.920
you know, but when you open up the hood and

576
00:31:02.960 --> 00:31:05.279
you see what's inside, you going, oh my god, what

577
00:31:05.319 --> 00:31:06.079
are we doing here?

578
00:31:06.400 --> 00:31:09.160
Yeah, well, charming people not very charming policies. You know.

579
00:31:09.920 --> 00:31:11.880
It's sort of, as I say, the mailed fist inside

580
00:31:11.880 --> 00:31:15.000
the velvet glove. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. I think I think

581
00:31:16.480 --> 00:31:18.480
Bill Clinton and certainly Mom Donnie both have very very

582
00:31:18.559 --> 00:31:22.279
nice velbic gloves and on the inside not supreme. And Obama,

583
00:31:22.359 --> 00:31:25.000
you know, Obama's got the mailed fist as well.

584
00:31:24.480 --> 00:31:26.839
Right, But then you know, you see the realities. I

585
00:31:26.839 --> 00:31:29.119
mean here it is like Obama, Obama sold us on.

586
00:31:30.079 --> 00:31:32.839
I say, sold us. I probably sold some people. Other people,

587
00:31:32.920 --> 00:31:34.640
you know, like you and I had our doubts from

588
00:31:34.720 --> 00:31:36.960
day one, said this is this is implausible, this is

589
00:31:37.000 --> 00:31:39.960
not going to work Obamacare. And here, you know, we

590
00:31:40.039 --> 00:31:42.480
find out all this time, which we knew was going

591
00:31:42.559 --> 00:31:44.920
to happen. We just probably didn't even realize it. It

592
00:31:44.960 --> 00:31:46.720
was so bad that, you know, here it was even

593
00:31:46.759 --> 00:31:50.400
before COVID deroy, it was living off of subsidy. It

594
00:31:50.480 --> 00:31:54.480
was on life support. Eighty percent subsidy. What a joke.

595
00:31:54.799 --> 00:31:56.559
And then you bring COVID and you say, well, let's

596
00:31:56.559 --> 00:31:59.200
throw another fifteen percent on top of it. I mean,

597
00:31:59.319 --> 00:32:01.160
come on, put a fork in. You don't have to

598
00:32:01.160 --> 00:32:02.920
put a fork. The fork is already in it, you.

599
00:32:02.920 --> 00:32:06.839
Know, yeah, exactly, And put a fork into put a

600
00:32:06.920 --> 00:32:09.599
knife in to match the fork, right, right, yeah, well

601
00:32:09.599 --> 00:32:11.319
you're right. This is This is sort of like when

602
00:32:11.319 --> 00:32:14.240
the British say, well, you know, National National Health Service

603
00:32:14.279 --> 00:32:16.359
is great because it's you know, freed the point of service. Well,

604
00:32:16.359 --> 00:32:18.400
it's free the point of service because you've paid for

605
00:32:18.519 --> 00:32:19.400
your taxes already.

606
00:32:20.200 --> 00:32:20.359
You know.

607
00:32:20.400 --> 00:32:21.799
It's kind of like if you go to a check

608
00:32:21.839 --> 00:32:23.880
an hotel. Sometimes if you're going to a big event,

609
00:32:23.880 --> 00:32:26.400
they'll have you pay pre pay months and months in dvance.

610
00:32:26.759 --> 00:32:28.640
And so you walk in, you check out, you walk

611
00:32:28.640 --> 00:32:31.039
out the door, they don't charge you anything, charge you anything,

612
00:32:31.319 --> 00:32:33.880
and think, hey, that was great. Free hotel space, hotel space,

613
00:32:34.359 --> 00:32:35.759
free hotel stay. Excuse me.

614
00:32:36.079 --> 00:32:36.200
Uh.

615
00:32:36.519 --> 00:32:38.039
And it's only free because he paid for it six

616
00:32:38.039 --> 00:32:40.319
months ago. So the same thing with Obamacare. It's only

617
00:32:40.440 --> 00:32:43.599
cheap because it's being supported by taxpayer subsidies.

618
00:32:43.920 --> 00:32:44.119
Uh.

619
00:32:44.160 --> 00:32:46.240
And of course we had this big ruhaha over this

620
00:32:46.400 --> 00:32:49.599
exact topic during the UH during the Schumer shutdown.

621
00:32:49.680 --> 00:32:53.880
It's a larger, but it's delusional. It's delusional think it's cheaper.

622
00:32:53.920 --> 00:32:57.680
It's not cheaper. Everybody knows it's expensive. Barack Obama said, hey,

623
00:32:57.680 --> 00:32:59.720
you can keep your same doctor. You're gonna save two

624
00:32:59.720 --> 00:33:04.359
thousand dollars a month, and everything that he said came

625
00:33:04.400 --> 00:33:08.000
out to be just the opposite. The only thing that

626
00:33:08.079 --> 00:33:10.480
was true was Nancy Pelosi when she said that you

627
00:33:10.519 --> 00:33:12.759
have to pass it to find out what's in it, right.

628
00:33:12.839 --> 00:33:14.720
That, yeah, exactly, And they passed it. We found out

629
00:33:14.759 --> 00:33:16.440
what was in it and was not pretty. And I

630
00:33:16.480 --> 00:33:19.920
remember very well Obama saying, you like your plan, you

631
00:33:20.039 --> 00:33:20.440
keep a plan.

632
00:33:20.559 --> 00:33:20.880
Period.

633
00:33:21.160 --> 00:33:23.359
So that over and over, and guess what, I liked

634
00:33:23.400 --> 00:33:25.039
my plan, and I had not one but two different

635
00:33:25.039 --> 00:33:28.200
plans canceled under Obamacare, but never bothered to cancel my plans.

636
00:33:28.200 --> 00:33:31.680
Obamacare passed and I had one plan canceled, and I

637
00:33:31.680 --> 00:33:33.480
got onto a second plan and that one got canceled.

638
00:33:33.480 --> 00:33:36.000
So I personally, Droy Murdoch had not one but two

639
00:33:36.720 --> 00:33:41.119
healthcare policies canceled under Obamacare that ever happened before. They're

640
00:33:41.119 --> 00:33:43.839
not even Obamacare policies that they were not Obamacare policies,

641
00:33:43.839 --> 00:33:46.880
but because of all the extra requirements were put in,

642
00:33:46.920 --> 00:33:50.359
all the expenses, all the regulations, especially here in New

643
00:33:50.440 --> 00:33:52.160
York City where I live, which has got even more

644
00:33:52.200 --> 00:33:54.400
red tape anywhere else, Insure said, you know what, we

645
00:33:54.400 --> 00:33:55.319
can't make any money here.

646
00:33:55.359 --> 00:33:55.759
We're gone.

647
00:33:55.799 --> 00:33:57.799
So they canceled my policy and I had to a

648
00:33:57.880 --> 00:34:00.680
switch twice before I can get on something that actually

649
00:34:00.759 --> 00:34:03.359
held up. And so that's not Obamacare has not done

650
00:34:03.400 --> 00:34:05.359
anything to cause me trouble. And as for the people

651
00:34:05.359 --> 00:34:07.559
who are on Obamacare, for a lot of it's it's

652
00:34:07.559 --> 00:34:10.920
basically it's just Medicaid. It's just jumped up. Well that's

653
00:34:10.920 --> 00:34:13.480
what they did medicated with lovely wallpaper. That's about it.

654
00:34:13.800 --> 00:34:16.760
And as you say, tons of subsidies and then substies

655
00:34:16.800 --> 00:34:19.039
were expanded, so it doesn't just they didn't just cover

656
00:34:19.400 --> 00:34:22.679
poor people. But sometimes people making three or four hunred thousand

657
00:34:22.719 --> 00:34:24.840
dollars a year are getting a Loamacare subsidies. I mean,

658
00:34:24.880 --> 00:34:28.000
it's just so twisted and disgusting, and it's cost us

659
00:34:28.000 --> 00:34:30.440
so much money, and we've really gotten essentially nothing for

660
00:34:30.480 --> 00:34:32.119
a money or less than nothing for all that money.

661
00:34:32.440 --> 00:34:35.960
And the thing is is that ear doge reveals all

662
00:34:36.000 --> 00:34:39.719
this waste and fraud in all these programs brought to

663
00:34:39.719 --> 00:34:42.280
you by the Democratic Party. And you think somebody in

664
00:34:42.320 --> 00:34:45.159
the Democratic Party said, hey, we you know, you're right,

665
00:34:45.280 --> 00:34:47.519
we need to look into that because we need to

666
00:34:47.519 --> 00:34:50.280
think about being efficient. We're at that time thirty seven

667
00:34:50.320 --> 00:34:52.960
trillion dollars. Now we're thirty eight trillion dollars in debt

668
00:34:53.199 --> 00:34:58.079
and growing. But there's not one responsible Democrat that I've

669
00:34:58.119 --> 00:35:01.199
heard say hey, we we got a problem here with

670
00:35:01.320 --> 00:35:03.960
this debt. Yeah.

671
00:35:04.000 --> 00:35:05.960
Well, you know, look, this is one thing that puzzles

672
00:35:05.960 --> 00:35:07.920
me is that you've got these programs that are being

673
00:35:08.119 --> 00:35:10.880
clearly being abused by people. I forget the precise number

674
00:35:10.880 --> 00:35:13.079
but I think it's in the millions are not mistaken

675
00:35:13.239 --> 00:35:16.800
people who are registered for part of Obamacare regu of Obamacare,

676
00:35:17.000 --> 00:35:20.599
but they've had no claims, no medical visits, no check ups,

677
00:35:20.719 --> 00:35:23.159
nothing whatsoever. Now it could be these people are just

678
00:35:23.480 --> 00:35:25.880
have pristine health and never ever get sick. But you think,

679
00:35:25.920 --> 00:35:27.880
if you aren't Obamacare, at some point you say, hey,

680
00:35:27.960 --> 00:35:29.559
let me get a check up, let me let me

681
00:35:29.599 --> 00:35:32.239
go Steven, get some you know, pain medication, whatever, And

682
00:35:32.280 --> 00:35:33.960
there's nothing there which says to me, these are just

683
00:35:34.039 --> 00:35:38.360
ghost recipients. And so I assume somebody is collecting subsidies

684
00:35:38.360 --> 00:35:41.199
on those accounts, and then they're not even smart enough

685
00:35:41.239 --> 00:35:43.199
to have somebody show up somewhere and pretend to get

686
00:35:43.239 --> 00:35:47.320
medical care. If I were Hakeem Jeffries or Chuck Schumer

687
00:35:47.320 --> 00:35:49.039
and say hey, let's look into this, and in fact,

688
00:35:49.039 --> 00:35:52.599
we've got pick a number three billion dollars a year

689
00:35:52.920 --> 00:35:56.039
in money going to fake accounts. Let's take that money.

690
00:35:56.320 --> 00:35:59.920
Let's redirect it at something else, whether it's head start,

691
00:36:00.119 --> 00:36:05.719
or whether it's green projects or help for transportation or something. Now,

692
00:36:05.800 --> 00:36:07.559
I as a pre market guy, which say, wy, don't

693
00:36:07.639 --> 00:36:09.760
use it for tax cuts or use it for debt relief.

694
00:36:09.760 --> 00:36:11.760
But even if you're a big government person, use it

695
00:36:11.800 --> 00:36:15.039
for another big government program that actually does something rather

696
00:36:15.079 --> 00:36:17.599
than just send subsidies to people who don't exist. But

697
00:36:17.639 --> 00:36:19.039
these people, if you try to do that, they go,

698
00:36:19.119 --> 00:36:21.760
don't look there, don't touch it. Shame on you. You're

699
00:36:21.840 --> 00:36:24.719
like Hitler even for asking these questions. That just shocks me.

700
00:36:24.719 --> 00:36:27.239
They're not even willing to look at this and find

701
00:36:27.239 --> 00:36:29.239
the fraud and take that money and even put into

702
00:36:29.239 --> 00:36:33.360
other government programs. They just don't leave all this funny

703
00:36:33.360 --> 00:36:36.880
money flowing as rapid as it can in every direction possible.

704
00:36:37.119 --> 00:36:37.679
It really just.

705
00:36:37.639 --> 00:36:40.719
Ques what help me out here? What big government program

706
00:36:40.760 --> 00:36:41.559
is working? Deroi?

707
00:36:42.199 --> 00:36:44.239
Well again, I mean.

708
00:36:44.440 --> 00:36:46.280
I just I mean I'm open. I mean it's just

709
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sit there and hey, give me a reason to cheer

710
00:36:49.280 --> 00:36:51.599
for what these guys are doing and what they're doing

711
00:36:51.599 --> 00:36:54.199
with their money. I just am I just too cynical.

712
00:36:54.760 --> 00:36:57.400
Well, I tell you my two favorite government programs. One

713
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is killing terrorists and the other one is the quot

714
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car on Amtrak. I think the qu Qui car and

715
00:37:02.440 --> 00:37:04.400
Amtrak's a pretty cool idea. You get in the car

716
00:37:04.480 --> 00:37:07.480
and nobody can talk. It's like a library. If you're

717
00:37:07.519 --> 00:37:09.119
going to talk to your phone, you gotta leave and

718
00:37:09.159 --> 00:37:10.719
get off the quiet car. So I think the QUI

719
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car and amtracks is a pretty good federal program. That

720
00:37:12.719 --> 00:37:14.440
and killing terrass those are my two favorite.

721
00:37:14.639 --> 00:37:18.239
So you're talking one point two trillion dollars against what

722
00:37:18.320 --> 00:37:20.679
are we up to eight trillion now we're spending.

723
00:37:21.400 --> 00:37:22.960
I think it's seven is or something like this.

724
00:37:23.079 --> 00:37:25.159
Yeah, something like that. Okay, all right, so help me

725
00:37:25.320 --> 00:37:29.599
justify the other six trillion, Yeah, exactly right.

726
00:37:29.800 --> 00:37:31.639
Anyway, I think another smart way to do this, and

727
00:37:31.719 --> 00:37:33.480
President Trump has talked about this. I think it's a

728
00:37:33.480 --> 00:37:36.000
great idea, which is, to whatever extent we're going to

729
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have Obamacare subsidies, rather than send you know, wire transfers

730
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to signa and these other big companies, want to send

731
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this money directly to the recipients in the form of

732
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either vouchers or the form of deposits and health savings accounts,

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and then say, look, you've got this money. You can

734
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now go and buy the care you want. If you

735
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like Obamacare, you can keep Obamacare. If you'd rather have

736
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737
00:37:58.519 --> 00:38:00.400
better do blue Cross. If you want to do something

738
00:38:00.440 --> 00:38:02.920
that's a you know, simple catastrophic plan, what I call

739
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bus crash insurance. You can do that. If you want

740
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something that's more, you know, more bells and whistles, you

741
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742
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pay for a more elaborate, you know, catallite plan with

743
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all the you know, all the fun stuff, and you

744
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pick the plane you want. Rather than having the money

745
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746
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News contributor continues with it. Yeah, you know on the

832
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medical you know, health plan and all this that's going on.

833
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My question is is why can't the American people have

834
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what Congress gets there?

835
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You go, yeah, that's a really good idea. Congress has

836
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a fantastic plan and uh uh, you know a lot

837
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of these people, I think it run for Congress and

838
00:42:58.719 --> 00:43:00.360
stay there for a few terms. They can vett it,

839
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they can get what's the term not vetted when I'm

840
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looking for the term vest invested the work, get vested

841
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into it. And once they're invested into the system, they

842
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got fantastic health insurance for life actual yeah, yeah, and

843
00:43:12.440 --> 00:43:14.760
for life. I'd be very curious to what that costs

844
00:43:15.119 --> 00:43:16.559
and what it would you know, if we just let

845
00:43:16.599 --> 00:43:17.800
everyone join the Congressional Plan.

846
00:43:18.320 --> 00:43:20.800
Why not? I mean, here you got millions of people.

847
00:43:21.039 --> 00:43:23.360
I mean that would give you I think, talk about leverage.

848
00:43:23.519 --> 00:43:26.320
They give a lot of leverage, negotiating power and stuff

849
00:43:26.360 --> 00:43:28.719
like that. And we're all we're all on the same plan.

850
00:43:29.079 --> 00:43:34.039
And imagine that Congress actually going out and uh, you know,

851
00:43:34.559 --> 00:43:38.679
living under the policies that they've created for themselves.

852
00:43:38.719 --> 00:43:41.239
Correct, because I think you know, they've been able so

853
00:43:41.320 --> 00:43:44.639
many instances they carve themselves out of these very programs

854
00:43:44.719 --> 00:43:46.119
under which the rest of us have to live.

855
00:43:46.519 --> 00:43:48.480
They were empty.

856
00:43:49.920 --> 00:43:51.960
Believe they were accepted. I think maybe that ended at

857
00:43:52.039 --> 00:43:53.960
some point, I think, but at least early on they

858
00:43:53.960 --> 00:43:57.159
were excepted from Obamacare, precisely. Correct. So if it's such

859
00:43:57.199 --> 00:44:00.480
a great program, Nancy Pelosi and came Jeffrey's why have

860
00:44:00.559 --> 00:44:03.000
you exclude yourselves from it? I mean it's ridiculous. So

861
00:44:03.039 --> 00:44:06.159
there's always you know, they're a wonderful, beautiful, Polish l

862
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Juris world, and then you know the rocks and sticks

863
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for the rest of us. So yeah, I think putting

864
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us all on the give us all access at least

865
00:44:13.880 --> 00:44:15.400
to the Congressional Plan is a really good idea.

866
00:44:15.639 --> 00:44:17.559
You know, why not. Well, I'm going to talk about

867
00:44:17.639 --> 00:44:20.400
you know, the Democrats are already they're in full swing

868
00:44:20.440 --> 00:44:23.639
for the midterms. You know, they're lying through their teeth. Anytime,

869
00:44:23.719 --> 00:44:25.880
like Billy Graham says, anytime they move their lips, you

870
00:44:25.880 --> 00:44:29.280
know they're lying. And so here they are. I mean

871
00:44:29.320 --> 00:44:32.719
they're not. There's just I mean to talk about the

872
00:44:32.840 --> 00:44:36.079
arrogance de Roy. They must think that, you know, the

873
00:44:36.119 --> 00:44:39.320
American people are stupid that we weren't there when they

874
00:44:39.360 --> 00:44:43.880
said these things and did these things to us. Either

875
00:44:43.960 --> 00:44:45.559
they think we're stupid or they're stupid.

876
00:44:46.159 --> 00:44:48.000
Yeah. Want to be fun to the two or one

877
00:44:48.039 --> 00:44:50.079
or the other exactly. Yeah, yeah, Well, this, I guess

878
00:44:50.119 --> 00:44:52.639
ties into this article I wrote dealing with this whole

879
00:44:52.639 --> 00:44:55.880
business with the shut Schumer shut down anything else. And

880
00:44:56.000 --> 00:44:58.159
the Democrats do what they always do, is they blame

881
00:44:58.199 --> 00:45:01.599
Republicans for things that they themselves done. And so they've

882
00:45:01.599 --> 00:45:04.719
screamed and yelled about, oh, you know, the Republicans are

883
00:45:04.719 --> 00:45:07.639
trying to shut down the Bombacare subsidies and all this nonsense.

884
00:45:08.079 --> 00:45:10.599
All all the Republicans are doing is living by the

885
00:45:10.679 --> 00:45:14.280
exact legislation that the Democrats wrote themselves. This is a

886
00:45:14.280 --> 00:45:16.920
piece I did at a daily signal. Democrats blame Republicans

887
00:45:16.960 --> 00:45:19.840
for multiple Democrat failures, and I detailed there thanks to

888
00:45:20.000 --> 00:45:24.400
Sally Pipes and the Pacific Research Institute, the legislations they

889
00:45:24.440 --> 00:45:28.480
passed basically said that these are temporary measures, temporary rule

890
00:45:28.519 --> 00:45:31.239
for twenty twenty one. In twenty twenty two early on,

891
00:45:31.280 --> 00:45:32.760
that was part of the American Rescue Plan, which is

892
00:45:32.760 --> 00:45:35.760
a big spending boondoggle that Joe Biden did right when

893
00:45:35.760 --> 00:45:38.679
he got when he came in, and that section one

894
00:45:38.719 --> 00:45:41.480
two zeros are one said that all these subsidies would

895
00:45:41.679 --> 00:45:45.119
occur before January twenty twenty six. And then they had

896
00:45:46.280 --> 00:45:48.880
the second bill, Inflation Reduction Act, did the same thing,

897
00:45:48.880 --> 00:45:51.480
and it also said that things would only go through

898
00:45:51.639 --> 00:45:53.039
the end of this year. In New Year's Eve of

899
00:45:53.039 --> 00:45:55.480
this year. So they've run around for all these days,

900
00:45:55.480 --> 00:45:57.559
the forty three days shut down, saying that there was

901
00:45:57.599 --> 00:46:00.400
Republicans shut down. The Republicans did this. All their publicans

902
00:46:00.519 --> 00:46:02.159
I've done is say, look, we're just trying to live

903
00:46:02.199 --> 00:46:05.079
by the legislation you guys wrote when you guys had

904
00:46:05.239 --> 00:46:07.440
the House, the Senate, and the White House, and they

905
00:46:07.480 --> 00:46:10.000
passed this legislation if they wanted to make the Bombacare

906
00:46:10.039 --> 00:46:13.320
substies permanent. They could have said, you know, these subseas

907
00:46:13.360 --> 00:46:15.519
will go on indefinitely, and they didn't do that. They

908
00:46:15.559 --> 00:46:17.559
said they're going to run out January one, twenty twenty six.

909
00:46:17.920 --> 00:46:19.440
And the Republicans are saying, look, we're just trying to

910
00:46:19.480 --> 00:46:21.599
live by the bill you guys wrote and you passed.

911
00:46:21.719 --> 00:46:23.119
We didn't vote for, but you have the votes you

912
00:46:23.119 --> 00:46:25.440
passed it, so don't yell at us about your bill.

913
00:46:25.840 --> 00:46:28.400
So they always do this, the Democrats screaming yell at

914
00:46:28.519 --> 00:46:31.000
us about something they did and blame us for things

915
00:46:31.000 --> 00:46:33.760
that is totally their fault. And for that, they shut

916
00:46:33.760 --> 00:46:37.239
the government down for forty three days. You had federal

917
00:46:37.239 --> 00:46:40.119
employees not getting paid, the TSA people not getting paid,

918
00:46:40.119 --> 00:46:43.719
their traffic controllers not getting paid, people having their flights canceled,

919
00:46:43.719 --> 00:46:49.119
tremendous discomfort and inconvenience for the American people. And again

920
00:46:49.159 --> 00:46:52.880
over something that Democrats created in their legislation. Wasn't Republican legislation.

921
00:46:53.000 --> 00:46:55.519
Was Democrat legislation that did this. They turn around and

922
00:46:55.559 --> 00:46:57.800
fling this in our faces. We didn't do this. They did.

923
00:46:59.000 --> 00:47:01.480
Well think about it. I mean, whether it's Obamacare or

924
00:47:01.519 --> 00:47:04.639
what they did with the Inflation Reduction Act, you know,

925
00:47:04.719 --> 00:47:09.360
and all the other you know, COVID related programs that

926
00:47:09.599 --> 00:47:15.400
just you know, just added fuel to our debt, which

927
00:47:15.480 --> 00:47:18.280
was so amazing. I don't I don't think you had

928
00:47:18.280 --> 00:47:21.639
one Republican vote. It was all Democratic control, wasn't it.

929
00:47:22.280 --> 00:47:26.039
Yeah, the Democrats. Look, the Democrats voted not united. There

930
00:47:26.079 --> 00:47:29.840
was no Republican support for Obamacare, if I remember correctly,

931
00:47:29.840 --> 00:47:32.880
there was no Republican support for the Inflation Reduction Act.

932
00:47:33.159 --> 00:47:35.239
And I don't believe there were any any Democrat votes

933
00:47:35.280 --> 00:47:37.199
for American Rescue Plan, if I remember correctly, those were

934
00:47:37.239 --> 00:47:38.519
all supported one.

935
00:47:38.480 --> 00:47:41.519
Und You meant Republican votes for that, I met you.

936
00:47:42.280 --> 00:47:45.280
No Republican votes, just Democrat votes exactly. So again, this

937
00:47:45.360 --> 00:47:48.079
is stuff they voted for. We didn't write those bills.

938
00:47:48.079 --> 00:47:50.239
The Republicans did't write those bills. Republicans didn' vote for.

939
00:47:50.320 --> 00:47:53.440
There's one hundred percent the responsibility. And rather than say, hey,

940
00:47:53.440 --> 00:47:56.280
look you know, there's our responsibility. It's our duty. We

941
00:47:56.320 --> 00:47:58.239
need to fix the mess we created, they don't won't

942
00:47:58.280 --> 00:48:00.280
do that, they won't won't behave like adults. Look I

943
00:48:00.320 --> 00:48:01.920
made a mess. I got to clean up that. Look

944
00:48:01.920 --> 00:48:03.719
at children saying I didn't do that, even though you've

945
00:48:03.760 --> 00:48:07.199
got the you know, destroyed cookie jar passion the little

946
00:48:07.199 --> 00:48:09.400
boy's feet after you tried to steal the cookies out

947
00:48:09.440 --> 00:48:10.920
of it, he goes, I didn't do that. Well, you

948
00:48:10.960 --> 00:48:14.199
did the broken cookie jar and the destroyed cookies are

949
00:48:14.199 --> 00:48:16.840
all at your feet. And they won't fess up and

950
00:48:16.840 --> 00:48:18.559
say I made a mess. And we get a broom

951
00:48:18.559 --> 00:48:21.199
and a you know, a mop and clean this up.

952
00:48:21.480 --> 00:48:23.599
And they just sit there and spend forty three days

953
00:48:23.679 --> 00:48:26.000
blaming Republicans for something that they co.

954
00:48:26.119 --> 00:48:29.039
Cocted right exactly. And the thing is is, you know,

955
00:48:29.119 --> 00:48:32.039
and they got cover again from the mainstream media deroy.

956
00:48:32.159 --> 00:48:35.440
It took up until the waning days when it became

957
00:48:35.599 --> 00:48:40.480
obvious that this was you know, a Shumer shutdown that

958
00:48:40.639 --> 00:48:43.440
was a total fiasco. This was on the Democrats. I

959
00:48:43.440 --> 00:48:47.239
mean all along in the forty three days where you know,

960
00:48:47.280 --> 00:48:51.239
the pain was intensifying, you know, for snap benefits, air

961
00:48:51.320 --> 00:48:55.639
traffic controllers, the military, people that relied on the government

962
00:48:55.719 --> 00:48:57.840
that the Democrats said, hey, you can count on us.

963
00:48:58.119 --> 00:49:01.960
We're there where your daddy, they're providing for you. And

964
00:49:02.000 --> 00:49:05.360
then next thing you know, they're you know, they're not

965
00:49:05.440 --> 00:49:09.280
only moving the football, they're moving your government cheese and

966
00:49:09.320 --> 00:49:13.519
everything else associated with it. And with with no impunity,

967
00:49:13.599 --> 00:49:17.280
I mean, no consideration whatsoever. It was only the consideration

968
00:49:17.440 --> 00:49:20.239
was political leverage, correct.

969
00:49:20.280 --> 00:49:22.039
And what was to me, what was baffling about this

970
00:49:22.159 --> 00:49:24.079
is that the Democrats didn't figure out some way, Okay,

971
00:49:24.159 --> 00:49:26.000
let's you know, let's screw the rich, let's make sure

972
00:49:26.039 --> 00:49:29.440
the rich people will get their tax cut, you know, refunds,

973
00:49:29.480 --> 00:49:31.679
whatever it is. They went after their own people, I

974
00:49:31.719 --> 00:49:34.320
mean the Democrats. They're the party of governmployees. So they

975
00:49:34.360 --> 00:49:37.760
went after again the people at the TSA, the people

976
00:49:37.800 --> 00:49:39.920
at various federal agencies. Friends I know who are in

977
00:49:39.960 --> 00:49:42.599
the Trump administration were home, they weren't going to work,

978
00:49:42.880 --> 00:49:45.880
and uh. And these are the Democrats of the Party

979
00:49:45.880 --> 00:49:48.559
of the Big Government. These are their people, and so

980
00:49:48.639 --> 00:49:50.599
much so that the head of the government employees you

981
00:49:50.800 --> 00:49:52.679
came up and said, look, we're not getting paid. You

982
00:49:52.679 --> 00:49:54.960
guys aren't helping us. You people need to end this shutdown,

983
00:49:55.159 --> 00:49:56.119
and they didn't listen to him.

984
00:49:56.599 --> 00:49:56.840
Uh.

985
00:49:56.880 --> 00:49:58.920
And then these are the people who speak up for

986
00:49:58.960 --> 00:50:01.960
the poor, and they're they're the the folks who speak

987
00:50:02.000 --> 00:50:03.239
up for the old guys, speak up for the poor,

988
00:50:03.239 --> 00:50:05.960
et cetera. And who gets cut off foodstamp recipients. And

989
00:50:05.960 --> 00:50:07.679
you've got people in food stamps who are trying to

990
00:50:07.719 --> 00:50:10.119
get food for themselves and their loved ones and their families,

991
00:50:10.159 --> 00:50:12.000
and they go to the store, Oh sorry, you your

992
00:50:12.280 --> 00:50:15.400
food stamp, your EVT or SNAP benefits are aren't aren't there?

993
00:50:15.440 --> 00:50:18.840
So that the Democrats, you know, a blame Republicans for

994
00:50:18.840 --> 00:50:22.800
stuff they did and then victimize their own base. I've

995
00:50:22.800 --> 00:50:25.519
never seen a party turnaround attack its own base the

996
00:50:25.519 --> 00:50:27.840
way that the Democrats attack their own base. During this

997
00:50:27.880 --> 00:50:30.039
forty three day Shomber shutdown, I thought it was just

998
00:50:30.320 --> 00:50:32.880
unbelievable to watch. I mean truly truly astonishing.

999
00:50:32.800 --> 00:50:36.119
And I can't imagine. I mean, it's almost like, who

1000
00:50:36.159 --> 00:50:37.599
would want to vote for these people?

1001
00:50:37.639 --> 00:50:37.880
Now?

1002
00:50:38.360 --> 00:50:40.719
I mean even if it was your side, you know,

1003
00:50:41.079 --> 00:50:43.719
would you want to support this what they did to

1004
00:50:43.760 --> 00:50:47.800
your family? After all this, I mean, this was you know,

1005
00:50:47.880 --> 00:50:51.199
totally uncalled for, because after everything is all said and done,

1006
00:50:51.280 --> 00:50:54.639
like I said, the mainstream media where they were crickets

1007
00:50:54.639 --> 00:50:57.440
in this whole thing, except you know, about a week

1008
00:50:57.559 --> 00:50:59.960
out when it was obvious that it was on the day,

1009
00:51:00.000 --> 00:51:03.280
Democrats they kind of started to report a little bit

1010
00:51:03.519 --> 00:51:07.280
in order to capture, you know, whatever bit of credibility

1011
00:51:07.320 --> 00:51:09.480
they might be able to capture, so that later on

1012
00:51:09.519 --> 00:51:11.800
they could say, well, deroi, you're wrong, you know, because

1013
00:51:11.840 --> 00:51:13.920
we reported on this, you know.

1014
00:51:15.280 --> 00:51:17.480
Yeah, exactly. I think towards the end it became a

1015
00:51:17.519 --> 00:51:21.360
little hard to maintain the pretense that the Democrats were

1016
00:51:21.440 --> 00:51:23.760
victims and all the Trump shut down. I mean there

1017
00:51:23.760 --> 00:51:27.159
were fourteen fourteen count of fourteen different votes that this

1018
00:51:27.320 --> 00:51:31.679
where the Senate Republicans took the clean Continuing Resolution passed

1019
00:51:31.679 --> 00:51:34.480
by the US House of Representatives under Mike Johnson. The

1020
00:51:34.480 --> 00:51:36.440
Republicans they said, look, we just want to take this

1021
00:51:36.480 --> 00:51:41.760
bill which had no reductions in spending, no policy reforms,

1022
00:51:41.880 --> 00:51:44.159
no budget cuts. It just basically took the Biden era

1023
00:51:44.239 --> 00:51:47.039
another Trump era, the Biden era spending, and continue that

1024
00:51:47.159 --> 00:51:50.159
so they could have negotiations over the healthcare business. And

1025
00:51:50.239 --> 00:51:52.639
they said, look, we just want to pass this, keep

1026
00:51:52.679 --> 00:51:55.760
the government open while we have our negotiations. And not one,

1027
00:51:55.840 --> 00:51:58.760
not two, not three, but not four fourteen different times,

1028
00:51:59.039 --> 00:52:02.519
the Senate Democrats continue their filibuster, they stop the government

1029
00:52:02.519 --> 00:52:05.039
from being opened, and the Republicans try to open it

1030
00:52:05.079 --> 00:52:07.079
all but I believe Rand Paul was the only person

1031
00:52:07.119 --> 00:52:09.760
who didn't vote yes. Every other Republican voted yes. Three

1032
00:52:09.760 --> 00:52:12.400
Democrats voted yes, you need to get another five to

1033
00:52:12.559 --> 00:52:16.079
break the filibuster, and fourteen different times the Democrats voted

1034
00:52:16.119 --> 00:52:19.639
continue the fellowbuster, keep the government closed, not pay traffic,

1035
00:52:19.960 --> 00:52:23.800
not pay air traffic controllers, not pay food stamp benefits,

1036
00:52:24.079 --> 00:52:30.199
keep poor people poor, keep victims of various types of disadvantage,

1037
00:52:30.320 --> 00:52:33.079
continue to continue their dis and amplify their disadvantage. And

1038
00:52:33.119 --> 00:52:36.559
this is done by the Democrats for over just over

1039
00:52:36.840 --> 00:52:38.519
six weeks. Shame on them.

1040
00:52:39.400 --> 00:52:42.800
How does their leadership hold this? You know, I think

1041
00:52:42.800 --> 00:52:46.920
that Hakim Jefferies is now vulnerable. You've got Schumer, of course, Shumer.

1042
00:52:46.960 --> 00:52:49.920
They've all been tarred and feathered him, right, yeah, they have.

1043
00:52:50.239 --> 00:52:53.559
They don't like him at all. He's maintained a very

1044
00:52:53.599 --> 00:52:55.760
low profile since this whole thing, and I think every

1045
00:52:55.760 --> 00:52:57.920
time he goes out public he gets boot and hiss

1046
00:52:58.159 --> 00:52:59.840
by fellow Democrats. I don't like the guy one.

1047
00:52:59.679 --> 00:53:02.719
Bit, right, right, And then you know, and they're lining up.

1048
00:53:02.719 --> 00:53:05.440
The knives are out for Hakim as well as well.

1049
00:53:05.519 --> 00:53:06.840
Yeah, I think a lot of them, see, they a

1050
00:53:06.880 --> 00:53:08.880
lot of folks see him as a very weak leader,

1051
00:53:09.800 --> 00:53:13.400
somebody who you know, isn't sufficially combative. Now I think

1052
00:53:13.400 --> 00:53:15.440
he's pretty combative as this from my perspective. But they

1053
00:53:15.440 --> 00:53:18.960
want somebody who's more like AOC or more like uh

1054
00:53:19.280 --> 00:53:22.079
Elano Maur I assume, or more like Maxine Waters perhaps

1055
00:53:22.119 --> 00:53:23.880
or something like that. I mean the fact that these

1056
00:53:23.880 --> 00:53:26.679
guys even so much as talk to uh to President

1057
00:53:26.719 --> 00:53:29.320
Trump as sort of leaders of the opposition, right, sort

1058
00:53:29.320 --> 00:53:31.400
of as actual leaders of the opposition. I think the

1059
00:53:31.440 --> 00:53:33.320
apartment people on the left, you don't they don't want

1060
00:53:33.400 --> 00:53:35.559
them even you know, giving a phone call to Trump,

1061
00:53:35.639 --> 00:53:37.079
even though you kind of need to do that if

1062
00:53:37.079 --> 00:53:40.360
you're leaders of the opposition. But some of these people

1063
00:53:40.400 --> 00:53:44.360
want they just want pure radicalism, pure antagonism. A lot

1064
00:53:44.360 --> 00:53:47.320
of them what physical violence, anything short of that. They're

1065
00:53:47.320 --> 00:53:49.239
not happy. So they're not at all thrilled with either

1066
00:53:49.320 --> 00:53:50.960
Chuck Schumer or Hakim Jeffries.

1067
00:53:51.480 --> 00:53:55.440
Well, the Democratic Party scares me right now because of

1068
00:53:55.480 --> 00:53:58.239
this point that you're talking about and the things they're saying.

1069
00:53:58.280 --> 00:54:00.320
I don't know if you caught the sound bite here

1070
00:54:01.079 --> 00:54:04.000
in the last day or two with these congressmen telling

1071
00:54:04.119 --> 00:54:09.079
the military h it's okay to refuse to obey an

1072
00:54:09.079 --> 00:54:12.840
illegal law. What illegal law are they talking about? Yeah,

1073
00:54:12.840 --> 00:54:14.800
I don't know what the illegal order is they're talking about.

1074
00:54:14.920 --> 00:54:16.519
I don't know of any orders that they're the military

1075
00:54:16.599 --> 00:54:19.400
is getting that are illegal. And I think they're trying to,

1076
00:54:19.440 --> 00:54:21.920
you know, create a create a hoax and a controversy

1077
00:54:21.960 --> 00:54:25.079
where none exists. But you know, the least of it

1078
00:54:25.119 --> 00:54:27.239
to me is what you describe them telling the military

1079
00:54:27.559 --> 00:54:30.679
not to refuse orders. You've got people out there talking

1080
00:54:30.719 --> 00:54:34.159
about shooting people. You've got this guy Jay.

1081
00:54:34.079 --> 00:54:37.039
Jones in Virginia that at the incoming Attorney General talking

1082
00:54:37.119 --> 00:54:40.079
about not just shooting, putting two bullets ahead of the

1083
00:54:40.119 --> 00:54:45.039
former House speaker in Virginia, but then having his kids

1084
00:54:45.079 --> 00:54:48.880
die in their mother's arms. He says he want he said,

1085
00:54:48.880 --> 00:54:52.000
he said, if there's any Republican as a funeral while

1086
00:54:52.000 --> 00:54:53.239
I'm here, I want to go to the funeral so

1087
00:54:53.239 --> 00:54:55.119
I can quote piss on the piss on his grave

1088
00:54:55.199 --> 00:54:59.400
unquote unbelievable. These are six six sixty minted people, and

1089
00:54:59.599 --> 00:55:02.320
these these be outliers. This is now mainstream. This guy

1090
00:55:02.400 --> 00:55:04.719
Jay Jones, I mentioned you it would when these this

1091
00:55:04.760 --> 00:55:08.519
informaate national reported the comments that he made about shooting

1092
00:55:08.519 --> 00:55:10.440
this guy in the head and having his kids dye

1093
00:55:10.440 --> 00:55:12.679
in their mother's arms. If they said, look, you know,

1094
00:55:13.320 --> 00:55:14.960
I called the moral high ground. The moral high ground

1095
00:55:15.039 --> 00:55:17.639
is we don't want you here, get off the ticket, goodbye.

1096
00:55:17.760 --> 00:55:20.280
They couldn't do that. The moral sidewalk is okay, look,

1097
00:55:20.440 --> 00:55:24.000
we'd like you. We'd like to maintain the Attorney generalship

1098
00:55:24.039 --> 00:55:26.360
in Democrat hands. So if you went it, great, good luck,

1099
00:55:26.360 --> 00:55:28.559
but we're not going to help. The Democrats called the

1100
00:55:28.559 --> 00:55:31.840
moral sewer. They didn't get to have him get off

1101
00:55:31.840 --> 00:55:34.320
the ticket. They didn't say, you know, we'll leave you alone.

1102
00:55:34.519 --> 00:55:37.599
They actually stuck by him. And then the Sunday before

1103
00:55:37.599 --> 00:55:40.320
the election, there was an event in Virginia where Obama

1104
00:55:40.360 --> 00:55:44.159
spoke along with the Spamberger was running for governor, and

1105
00:55:44.559 --> 00:55:47.679
they had Jay Jones on stage talking the crowd. So

1106
00:55:47.679 --> 00:55:49.840
they actually brought him up on stage to appear with

1107
00:55:49.880 --> 00:55:52.760
the other Democrats, fully embrace him and basically say, hey,

1108
00:55:52.800 --> 00:55:54.559
we're good with this guy, we like this guy. At

1109
00:55:54.559 --> 00:55:56.320
that point, they basically went in for a nice long

1110
00:55:56.320 --> 00:55:58.800
swim of the moral sewer. That's how disgusting the Democrat

1111
00:55:58.800 --> 00:55:59.400
parties become.

1112
00:55:59.719 --> 00:55:59.920
Is this.

1113
00:56:00.000 --> 00:56:02.400
It's not your mom and dad's your grandpa, and grandpa's

1114
00:56:02.440 --> 00:56:04.960
your grandma and grandma's a Democrat party. This is all

1115
00:56:05.000 --> 00:56:07.960
together a different party. And this is a sick, twisted,

1116
00:56:08.119 --> 00:56:10.519
and increasing violent Democrat party we're dealing with today.

1117
00:56:10.719 --> 00:56:13.039
One hundred percent. He's a man at based Fox News

1118
00:56:13.039 --> 00:56:17.079
contributor contributing editor of National Review Online. De Roy Murdoch.

1119
00:56:17.119 --> 00:56:18.079
Thank you, Deroy, take.

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Care, Thank you Bill, talk to you soon.

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1141
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Hey, good morning America. Bill Martinez here. Good to have

1142
00:57:34.800 --> 00:57:37.760
you with us. Also great to have Atrs Grover Norquist

1143
00:57:37.840 --> 00:57:39.599
joining us. Now, Hey, Grover, how you doing.

1144
00:57:40.000 --> 00:57:43.440
I'm doing reasonably well. I'm out in Paul Strings, California.

1145
00:57:43.960 --> 00:57:46.000
Oh how's the weather nice and hot? Or did you

1146
00:57:46.039 --> 00:57:47.559
get on the other side of all the rain it

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was that is out there?

1148
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Right?

1149
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Yeah, it's cool, it's cool sixty.

1150
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Well, good, well, thank you for the time. I know

1151
00:57:55.239 --> 00:57:57.599
that you're on another conference. You're always non stop there,

1152
00:57:57.960 --> 00:58:00.599
you know, from east to west, so I appreciate you

1153
00:58:00.599 --> 00:58:04.000
stopping in so we can talk about health insurance. I'm

1154
00:58:04.000 --> 00:58:05.880
curious to hear your idea. The other day I was

1155
00:58:05.880 --> 00:58:08.039
talking with somebody else and I'm just saying, why can't

1156
00:58:08.079 --> 00:58:12.159
we have the same health assurance that Congress has?

1157
00:58:13.440 --> 00:58:16.480
Well, there's this very generous it certainly gives them more

1158
00:58:16.559 --> 00:58:20.559
choices than Obamacare. And one of the things that we've

1159
00:58:21.119 --> 00:58:24.679
that's good that comes out of the Democrats holding America

1160
00:58:24.719 --> 00:58:28.960
hostage in order to get the one point five trillion

1161
00:58:29.000 --> 00:58:32.079
dollars in government spending they wanted, the third of which

1162
00:58:32.159 --> 00:58:35.400
was to bail out Obamacare. The first good thing is

1163
00:58:35.559 --> 00:58:38.000
they didn't get to waste one point six one point

1164
00:58:38.079 --> 00:58:41.079
five trillion dollars. The second good thing is we're actually

1165
00:58:41.119 --> 00:58:44.559
beginning to have a discussion about why would you need

1166
00:58:44.639 --> 00:58:50.480
a half a trillion dollars in subsidies for something Obamacare,

1167
00:58:50.760 --> 00:58:53.719
which was supposed to allow us to keep our own

1168
00:58:53.800 --> 00:58:59.639
doctor we were promised and would reduce everybody's premiums by

1169
00:58:59.800 --> 00:59:03.199
average of two hundred and fifty in two thousand and

1170
00:59:03.199 --> 00:59:05.000
five hundred dollars two thousand dollars.

1171
00:59:07.079 --> 00:59:09.000
Gentle listener, viewer.

1172
00:59:10.760 --> 00:59:12.800
Back with the person in your family who writes the

1173
00:59:12.880 --> 00:59:16.960
checks for health care costs and insurance? Did yours go

1174
00:59:17.559 --> 00:59:20.880
up or down? As a matter of fact, for most

1175
00:59:20.880 --> 00:59:25.000
Americans who had anything to do with Obamacare, healthcare costs

1176
00:59:25.000 --> 00:59:30.079
have gone up because of Obamacare. We were lies to

1177
00:59:30.760 --> 00:59:33.280
They knew it was a lie. There were even discussions

1178
00:59:33.360 --> 00:59:36.440
inside of Obama world where they knew it was a failure,

1179
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but they believed they'd have the House, the Senate, the presidency.

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So when it failed, the solution would be, oh, my goodness,

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throw up your hands. We'll have to have one size

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fits all European style government single payer single payer pair

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is a nice way of saying monopoly exactly.

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Yeah, yeah, government government control. The worst kind of monopoly

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is the government controlled monopoly.

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Right, absolutely.

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Yeah. So here it is. They lied to us from

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the very beginning because and this is the problem with

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the Democrats. The Democrats can never give it to you straight.

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It's all there's always something in fine print, or like

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Nancy Pelosi says, you got to pass it before you

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find out what's in it.

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Right, absolutely, And that was a lie. And that's a

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very serious problem that we have, and we need to

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fix that. We need to give people alternatives. I don't

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know that you can change Obamacare to make it work.

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What you can do is give people an off ramp

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to do something else. That's how savings accounts, that's some

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of those religious groups that get together and pool risk themselves.

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One point seven million Americans do that. It could be

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seventeen million Americans. We just have some government rules to

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get in the way of.

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That right and where we could go across you know,

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state lines and that sort of thing. That's why I'm saying, look,

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and this might run dangerously close to government can but

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I'm just saying, why don't we have the same assurance

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available that Congress has. I mean, these I just can't

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believe the goal of them. I shouldn't say I can't

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believe it because they've done this repeatedly. You know, here

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America is going to suffer. They know this thing is

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a bummer of a deal, but yet they car and

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Republicans included, they carve out this special deal so that

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they don't have to fall under the auspices of Obamacare.

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No.

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Absolutely, And the challenge with Congress as is that we

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pay for it. Okay, it's government paid for. It looks

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01:01:32.320 --> 01:01:34.960
and it's very nice. It's gives you lots of choices,

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but it is a bottomless bit. It's paid for byous.

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Yes exactly. And this stuff, this stuff has got to

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it's got to stop at some point, you know. I

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mean between COVID and all that was exposed on COVID,

1222
01:01:48.880 --> 01:01:52.559
what was exposed during the four years of Biden, the

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01:01:52.559 --> 01:01:56.880
inefficiency of the government, what Elon miss must try to expose,

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01:01:56.960 --> 01:01:59.199
and how they did a big cover up. I mean,

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you know, we from potentially looking at over a trillion

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dollars in fraud, waste and abuse, and then they settled

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01:02:06.239 --> 01:02:10.840
on maybe one hundred and seventy billion dollars, you know,

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plus or minus. But it's like, give me a break.

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I mean, we still got billions of dollars of fraud,

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01:02:16.320 --> 01:02:18.639
waste and abuse in our government, and we the people

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are carrying the way to here Grover.

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The government itself says the twenty percent of Medicare and

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Medicaid is wasted. That's one of the high costs that

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we all pay as taxpayers. It is ridiculous that we

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don't go and take the list, as Elon Musk said, Look,

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let's take the list of citizens. Let's take the list

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of alive citizens. Yeah, and find out and compare that

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to the list of people getting checks on Social Security, Medicare,

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Medicaid and find out whether some of these people don't

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live in America because they're working off a computer in

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Nigeria or the society Russia, or or they died a

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few years ago.

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I mean, these are all very very real challenge right exactly.

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01:03:01.480 --> 01:03:03.440
And the thing is is that twenty percent number they're

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01:03:03.480 --> 01:03:05.920
talking about, do is that include the illegal immigrants.

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No, I'm not sure that that would actually but that

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may be an even bigger problem. We just don't know

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because the government hasn't looked and they had a hissy

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fit when what Elon Musk said is let's take a look.

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Remember they said, if you compared Social Security numbers to

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how many people are getting benefits, they said, well that

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might SoC scurity might leak. Well, yeah, it might leak

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any time, but we do keep those numbers and those lists,

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and if the government has them, they can leak, but

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you can be careful with them and use them to

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save money.

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Yeah. The only way we'd leak is if the FBI

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got their hands on it.

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That is a problem. And of course it does leak.

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Sometimes the Chinese are trying to hack in, other people

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are hacking it. We should have it for protected, but

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for heaven's sakes, we should know. Maybe everybody has to

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come in once a year and show their face and

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talk to a real person and show who they are

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and give their ID. In order to save twenty percent fraud.

1266
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That's not terribly expensive.

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Yeah, you think. I mean, considering the people who are painted.

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I mean, here we are as it is grover. I mean,

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look at the breakdown of the country. We're what three

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01:04:15.000 --> 01:04:18.320
hundred and thirty million, three and forty million people. Half

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01:04:18.320 --> 01:04:21.480
are working, the other half are on entitlements. I mean,

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what's wrong with this picture? It's unsustainable.

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Well, it's one of the challenges we have.

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The welfare state has gotten so big that immigrants used

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to come to the United States for a chance and

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an opportunity to now come and what a Biden did

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01:04:34.920 --> 01:04:37.840
was Biden says, glad you're here. Here's some welfare. You

1278
01:04:37.840 --> 01:04:40.920
don't have to get a job. Here's a free hotel room,

1279
01:04:41.119 --> 01:04:43.679
you don't have to have a place to stay. These

1280
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are the mistakes that when you take a welfare system

1281
01:04:47.480 --> 01:04:50.719
and you say to young people coming out of high school.

1282
01:04:50.320 --> 01:04:51.559
You don't really have to go to work.

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It on right now?

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01:04:52.760 --> 01:04:55.079
Is stabilitating that person for the rest of their lives,

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01:04:55.119 --> 01:04:57.519
whether they're born here or came here as immigrants.

1286
01:04:57.840 --> 01:05:00.480
Well, you're exactly right. I mean, this becomes a generation issue.

1287
01:05:00.519 --> 01:05:02.880
I mean, look at welfare. How many families do you

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01:05:03.000 --> 01:05:06.639
have that have been on welfare for generations. I mean.

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And the thing is, what I think about, Grover, is

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01:05:09.679 --> 01:05:14.519
the individuals themselves that have been stifled. They've been retarded

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01:05:14.559 --> 01:05:17.239
by this process because they're not able to grow up

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01:05:17.280 --> 01:05:21.280
and you know, experience a dream, a vision, a hope,

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01:05:22.199 --> 01:05:25.440
any kind of growth and development as an individual. We

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know that basically, and of course research science backs this

1295
01:05:29.159 --> 01:05:31.440
up that the number one thing that a person can

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do for their happiness is have a job and feel

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like they're productive, right.

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Absolutely, And the government deliberately puts people on welfare this is,

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this is not a secret, in order to make them

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dependent on the government, in order to make them vote

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01:05:44.679 --> 01:05:48.000
democratic exactly, and said, all of this welfare is going

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to guarantee us the vote for years to come. And

1303
01:05:51.719 --> 01:05:53.760
it's a little like that scene, and I think there will.

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It was called misery where the lady has a guy

1305
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who breaks his leg and she nurses him to health,

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01:06:00.400 --> 01:06:02.920
but realizes that as soon as his leg gets better,

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01:06:03.280 --> 01:06:05.679
he's going to leave her, so she breaks his leg again.

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01:06:06.400 --> 01:06:09.039
And so the welfare state breaks your leg.

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Here.

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It will help you, but they don't help you enough

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to let you get up and walk out the door.

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And take care of yourself.

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I mean, think about that and what that does I

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mean to me?

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That is so.

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Offensive to a citizen, to a fellow humanoid going through

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this journey of life. We got to go to quick break.

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Hey, welcome back, has promised Bill Martinez here along with

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Grover Norquiz, the President of Americans for Tax Reform, America's

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pre eminent center right expert on taxes, health insurance, health care,

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health savings accounts. I mean, there's some great ideas. This

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seeing something here. But what I see is the Democrats

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are good at identifying a problem. What they're terrible at

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01:11:41.119 --> 01:11:44.239
is finding a solution. Because the only solution. It's like

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01:11:44.399 --> 01:11:46.560
the only thing they got in their bag, just as

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01:11:46.560 --> 01:11:48.600
you've been saying in the first segment here, the only

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01:11:48.600 --> 01:11:50.760
thing they got in their bag is the people's money.

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01:11:51.199 --> 01:11:53.359
We're gonna you know, you got a problem. You got

1420
01:11:53.359 --> 01:11:56.039
a boo boo. Let me throw a million dollars on it, right.

1421
01:11:56.920 --> 01:12:03.760
Well, they understand the problem. They they say, here's the problem.

1422
01:12:04.119 --> 01:12:08.920
The problem when when Johnson Lennon Johnson did The Great Society,

1423
01:12:09.279 --> 01:12:11.560
he said, there are all these people who don't have enough,

1424
01:12:11.600 --> 01:12:13.680
who aren't middle class. He said, if we gave them

1425
01:12:13.720 --> 01:12:16.840
middle class amounts of money, that would make the middle class.

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01:12:17.159 --> 01:12:19.800
Giving somebody money for not working does not teach them

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01:12:19.800 --> 01:12:21.840
how to get out of bed in the morning, go

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01:12:21.920 --> 01:12:23.920
to work. That's a lot of work to remember to

1429
01:12:23.920 --> 01:12:25.840
get out of bed every day. You know, do you

1430
01:12:25.920 --> 01:12:28.199
have to go to school again tomorrow? Do you have

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01:12:28.199 --> 01:12:28.840
to go to work again?

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01:12:29.159 --> 01:12:30.920
Yes? Yes, every day. Yeah.

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01:12:30.920 --> 01:12:33.880
Why don't I have to do that? I already got money? Yes?

1434
01:12:34.199 --> 01:12:36.960
Well, yes, if you give somebody a welfare at check

1435
01:12:37.119 --> 01:12:39.119
instead of let them get a job and have enough

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01:12:39.199 --> 01:12:42.640
jobs created, you do, in fact, tell them you don't

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01:12:42.640 --> 01:12:46.920
need to And if you get somebody food stamps and

1438
01:12:47.000 --> 01:12:51.279
healthcare and all these other parts. If you go and

1439
01:12:51.319 --> 01:12:55.479
get a job, you lose all those benefits. So the

1440
01:12:55.600 --> 01:13:00.880
actual benefit of a job becomes very small and people

1441
01:13:01.079 --> 01:13:05.359
don't see a value at it. We make work less valuable.

1442
01:13:05.479 --> 01:13:09.840
It doesn't It makes work not pay. Remember Clinton was

1443
01:13:09.840 --> 01:13:11.640
going to make work pay by giving you more money

1444
01:13:11.640 --> 01:13:14.439
for working, by you know, giving you some taxpayer dollars attached.

1445
01:13:14.520 --> 01:13:18.279
That makes work not pay.

1446
01:13:18.359 --> 01:13:21.239
When you pay for somebody when they get paid for

1447
01:13:21.279 --> 01:13:25.520
something other than actual honest work that gets done. There's

1448
01:13:25.520 --> 01:13:28.239
a lot of damage that's been done to Americans by

1449
01:13:28.279 --> 01:13:32.520
getting them dependent. And what's really disgusting is the liberals

1450
01:13:32.600 --> 01:13:34.640
run around and go, look at all the good I've done,

1451
01:13:34.880 --> 01:13:37.439
and you look go through cities and say this is

1452
01:13:37.520 --> 01:13:41.079
not good. You have destroyed entire neighborhoods and families.

1453
01:13:41.720 --> 01:13:44.000
Well, yeah, I was watching this. I guess there was

1454
01:13:44.159 --> 01:13:48.920
a report on a particular city in I think it

1455
01:13:48.960 --> 01:13:53.640
was in Buffalo, and the Blacks that had controlled that area,

1456
01:13:54.760 --> 01:13:57.520
you know, the city run down, kids couldn't go to

1457
01:13:57.560 --> 01:14:01.079
the park. It was a mess. Okay, all of a sudden,

1458
01:14:01.199 --> 01:14:04.920
the Muslims start coming into town and they they're buying

1459
01:14:05.039 --> 01:14:07.520
up homes at I mean, you know, you talk about

1460
01:14:07.520 --> 01:14:10.359
home availability and costs of homes right there down to

1461
01:14:10.399 --> 01:14:13.520
fourteen thousand dollars growber. So they're buying these homes up,

1462
01:14:13.680 --> 01:14:17.039
They're fixing them up, bringing some pride back to the community,

1463
01:14:17.359 --> 01:14:20.760
bringing safety back to the community. People can actually go.

1464
01:14:20.840 --> 01:14:23.199
Even the Blacks in the community that still stayed in

1465
01:14:23.239 --> 01:14:25.800
the area are going, God, my kids can go and

1466
01:14:26.159 --> 01:14:28.439
you know, go play basketball at the park. They haven't

1467
01:14:28.439 --> 01:14:30.279
been able to do that, you know, I can't even

1468
01:14:30.279 --> 01:14:34.960
tell you how long. And it's just that they abandoned

1469
01:14:35.199 --> 01:14:38.239
the people who were there because of this mentality. I'm

1470
01:14:38.279 --> 01:14:40.760
just saying blacks is an example, because that was the report.

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01:14:41.359 --> 01:14:44.680
But we know that there is a you know, kind

1472
01:14:44.680 --> 01:14:50.800
of a pensiant and an affiliation with government subsidy and

1473
01:14:50.880 --> 01:14:55.359
this kind of mediocrity that is destroying, you know, destroying

1474
01:14:55.399 --> 01:14:58.199
these cities. And now they're getting upset because the Muslims

1475
01:14:58.239 --> 01:15:01.039
are coming in and the Muslims are during the city.

1476
01:15:01.159 --> 01:15:04.239
So and I am keeping my eye on the Muslim

1477
01:15:04.279 --> 01:15:07.479
community anyway, because I'm just saying, hey, you know, if

1478
01:15:07.520 --> 01:15:09.279
you want to come here and be an immigrant and

1479
01:15:09.319 --> 01:15:11.680
add to the proposition of the Great American dream. God

1480
01:15:11.680 --> 01:15:15.319
bless you welcome. But if you're coming here to undermine

1481
01:15:16.000 --> 01:15:18.880
our constitution and this great American idea, we got a problem.

1482
01:15:19.520 --> 01:15:20.039
Yeah.

1483
01:15:20.119 --> 01:15:22.000
I think the best thing we can do for immigrants

1484
01:15:22.079 --> 01:15:26.159
is to not shower them with welfare, but to have

1485
01:15:26.520 --> 01:15:30.640
job openings and people come here legally, because that's how

1486
01:15:30.680 --> 01:15:32.680
you become an That's why you have to learn English.

1487
01:15:33.319 --> 01:15:36.680
One of the scandals that they have is that people

1488
01:15:36.720 --> 01:15:40.279
get here, they don't learn English, then the number of jobs,

1489
01:15:40.279 --> 01:15:42.680
the kind of jobs they can have later in life

1490
01:15:43.119 --> 01:15:46.359
get fewer and fewer and pay less and pay less.

1491
01:15:47.239 --> 01:15:50.000
It's not fair to people. I mean, it's California used

1492
01:15:50.000 --> 01:15:54.199
to force some kids with Hispanic backgrounds to go through

1493
01:15:54.520 --> 01:15:59.239
Spanish to learn Spanish at school instead of English. Why

1494
01:15:59.319 --> 01:16:01.119
would you do that to somebody? And they do that

1495
01:16:01.159 --> 01:16:02.920
without the parents' permission.

1496
01:16:03.000 --> 01:16:06.159
Right, Yeah, it's again it's all social engineering. And the

1497
01:16:06.199 --> 01:16:09.560
Democrats are you know, they're kings of this kind of activity,

1498
01:16:09.680 --> 01:16:11.800
but they don't look at it down the road to say, Okay,

1499
01:16:11.800 --> 01:16:14.319
what am I creating? What's the endgame here? And I mean,

1500
01:16:14.560 --> 01:16:18.640
do I have a healthy, well informed citizen that's eager

1501
01:16:18.640 --> 01:16:22.239
to participate in the GDP of our country and our neighborhood.

1502
01:16:23.159 --> 01:16:25.840
Or do I have somebody who I've crippled, and just

1503
01:16:25.920 --> 01:16:27.960
like you said, they're going to reach a certain age

1504
01:16:28.000 --> 01:16:31.159
and then their skill set is limited to the language

1505
01:16:31.239 --> 01:16:32.880
that they speak.

1506
01:16:33.800 --> 01:16:37.560
I think it's fair to say that some Democrats don't

1507
01:16:37.640 --> 01:16:41.840
understand the damage they're doing. But I believe every Democratic senator,

1508
01:16:41.880 --> 01:16:45.399
and every Democratic congressman, and every Democratic state legislator and

1509
01:16:45.439 --> 01:16:49.520
governor knows exactly how they're crippling people and why they're

1510
01:16:49.520 --> 01:16:52.439
doing it, because it is to their political benefits.

1511
01:16:52.520 --> 01:16:52.840
Exactly.

1512
01:16:52.880 --> 01:16:57.359
They get political power by destroying communities and families. Strong

1513
01:16:57.439 --> 01:17:00.159
families don't need big government. Okay, so they're not for

1514
01:17:00.319 --> 01:17:05.000
strong families. Strong individuals, fully educated individuals don't need big gown.

1515
01:17:05.239 --> 01:17:08.279
They don't like those people. They like people that they've recapped.

1516
01:17:09.000 --> 01:17:11.119
Do you think that these people who have been kneecapped

1517
01:17:11.359 --> 01:17:15.079
for generations, Grover, did their eyes open up, First of

1518
01:17:15.079 --> 01:17:18.239
all with COVID because they saw what Blue States did

1519
01:17:18.279 --> 01:17:21.560
to them in terms of restricting their liberty. And then

1520
01:17:21.680 --> 01:17:24.359
with this government shut down forty three days of misery,

1521
01:17:24.640 --> 01:17:27.039
and it was all about, to your point, exactly, all

1522
01:17:27.079 --> 01:17:29.760
about leverage. Leverage, for what not on behalf of the

1523
01:17:29.760 --> 01:17:33.760
American people, on their leverage for their political existence and

1524
01:17:33.800 --> 01:17:34.680
power and control.

1525
01:17:36.079 --> 01:17:38.439
Yes, I mean, there are so much that we can

1526
01:17:38.520 --> 01:17:43.479
do to fix this, both as individuals. They're fifty states,

1527
01:17:43.840 --> 01:17:48.199
and that's the state salvation of America because in states,

1528
01:17:48.319 --> 01:17:50.359
and that's the conference I'm in all the various center

1529
01:17:50.439 --> 01:17:53.920
right taxpayer groups and groups where you're looking at states

1530
01:17:54.119 --> 01:17:57.960
like Mississippi, which changed their education to be much more

1531
01:17:58.000 --> 01:18:02.640
focused on phonics and so on. They're now outpacing Minnesota

1532
01:18:03.079 --> 01:18:05.359
in terms of quality of education, which is not what

1533
01:18:05.439 --> 01:18:09.600
Minnesota expected to have happened. Mississippi's now richer per capital

1534
01:18:09.720 --> 01:18:13.000
than Britain. Okay, because they cut taxes, because they do

1535
01:18:13.239 --> 01:18:16.199
so when you have good policies in the states, you

1536
01:18:16.239 --> 01:18:18.600
can do well. And even the Blue states at some

1537
01:18:18.680 --> 01:18:21.880
point in Vermont can look over in New Hampshire and

1538
01:18:21.920 --> 01:18:24.920
see that the government in New Hampshire is half as expensive,

1539
01:18:25.279 --> 01:18:28.199
the government in Florida is half as expensive per person

1540
01:18:28.479 --> 01:18:31.119
as the government in New York. There are more people

1541
01:18:31.159 --> 01:18:34.760
living in Florida than New York, and the government costs

1542
01:18:34.920 --> 01:18:38.720
half as much in Florida the state government as New York.

1543
01:18:38.920 --> 01:18:44.000
So they get better government at half the cost, and

1544
01:18:44.039 --> 01:18:45.920
they go, we should do more of that.

1545
01:18:46.079 --> 01:18:48.800
Eventually, even New York will catch on.

1546
01:18:50.119 --> 01:18:53.920
Well, they're going against a win right now, and they

1547
01:18:53.960 --> 01:18:59.960
elected a democratic socialist who I'm surprised. It looks like

1548
01:19:00.159 --> 01:19:02.359
Trump is going to have him there at the White House.

1549
01:19:02.439 --> 01:19:04.199
I was surprised that Trump would have him there in

1550
01:19:04.199 --> 01:19:07.039
the Oval office. I think that gives him And that's

1551
01:19:07.079 --> 01:19:10.960
just me speaking my own cynical perspective. I think it

1552
01:19:11.079 --> 01:19:16.039
just gives this this Marxist too much, too much value.

1553
01:19:16.880 --> 01:19:20.119
Oh no, I share you a tremendous mistake.

1554
01:19:20.319 --> 01:19:24.640
There's no point in doing that. It's it's if he

1555
01:19:24.760 --> 01:19:29.439
if somehow he beats the guy up verbally, it's punching down.

1556
01:19:29.720 --> 01:19:36.760
It's punching down. He needs Why let him compete by talking? Okay,

1557
01:19:37.560 --> 01:19:40.640
he can make all sorts of ridiculous promises. He attacks

1558
01:19:40.640 --> 01:19:43.720
Trump from where he is now, lies about that. Why

1559
01:19:43.760 --> 01:19:46.039
won't you do it on national stage? Then I'll go

1560
01:19:46.079 --> 01:19:48.680
back and everyone will remember the things he promised and

1561
01:19:48.720 --> 01:19:52.680
said we want them. Focused on how he dodges. He's

1562
01:19:52.680 --> 01:19:54.239
gonna ask the President to give him a bunch of

1563
01:19:54.239 --> 01:19:56.720
money and the President won't, then he's gonna go. Of

1564
01:19:56.880 --> 01:19:59.560
course New York failed. The President forgot to give us

1565
01:19:59.560 --> 01:20:04.359
a couple of dollars. I see no value to having

1566
01:20:04.399 --> 01:20:05.159
that conversation.

1567
01:20:05.680 --> 01:20:06.560
I think.

1568
01:20:07.119 --> 01:20:10.479
I think it's you versus on the President's part. He's, well, yea,

1569
01:20:10.520 --> 01:20:12.840
I take on everybody. You know, you don't have to

1570
01:20:12.880 --> 01:20:15.359
take on everybody. You have other things to do. This

1571
01:20:15.399 --> 01:20:17.760
guy has nothing to do but prepare for this meeting.

1572
01:20:18.279 --> 01:20:21.920
The president has to deal with Iraq and Saudi Arabia

1573
01:20:22.319 --> 01:20:25.399
and tariffs and this and that the other thing. He

1574
01:20:25.439 --> 01:20:28.960
can't possibly be as prepared as the other guy coming in.

1575
01:20:29.880 --> 01:20:30.560
Why do it?

1576
01:20:31.119 --> 01:20:33.800
Yeah? Yeah, I think that the president has more to

1577
01:20:33.840 --> 01:20:36.680
lose than the game, although I mean I'll give him credit.

1578
01:20:36.720 --> 01:20:38.920
I mean, this is the president that said, hey, look

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01:20:38.920 --> 01:20:40.880
at I'm going to talk to North Korea. I'm going

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01:20:40.960 --> 01:20:43.159
to go talk to Kim Johnuan. You know, God bless

1581
01:20:43.239 --> 01:20:43.840
him for doing that.

1582
01:20:43.880 --> 01:20:46.039
You know, the New York City is that step beyond?

1583
01:20:46.359 --> 01:20:52.239
Yeah, you think just a little bit too far? Right? Exactly? Well, Grover, again,

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01:20:52.279 --> 01:20:54.800
thank you very much for more information. Where should the

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good folks go so that they know what all is

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going on? You know, and all that ATR is doing

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Well, he's the president of Americans for Tax Reform, America's

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pre eminent center right expert on taxes. Grover Norquis has

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been our guest Grover, thank you, Take care, Hey well,

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for Patriots, Welcome.

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Morning, and welcome back Bill Martinez here and all. Do

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we got a treat from you?

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01:25:34.399 --> 01:25:34.560
Oh?

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This is becoming an annual event. I love talking to

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01:25:36.960 --> 01:25:40.199
you guys every time about this year. I mean, they're

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01:25:41.000 --> 01:25:45.600
they're on the Mayflower too, and we're going to talk

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01:25:45.600 --> 01:25:49.239
about Thanksgiving. Plymouth Rock and we've got historians Richard Pickering

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01:25:49.560 --> 01:25:53.159
and Mayflower descend It and Plemmet Tourism official Lee Philson

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01:25:53.279 --> 01:25:55.359
joining us. Now, good morning, welcome to show. Good to

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01:25:55.399 --> 01:25:55.880
have you with us.

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01:25:55.960 --> 01:25:57.760
Good morning, Happy Thanksgiving.

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01:25:57.800 --> 01:26:01.039
Good to be with you again. Exactly well, with Thanksgiving

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01:26:01.079 --> 01:26:03.960
right around the corner, so is all the attention turning

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01:26:04.000 --> 01:26:07.199
to Plymouth, Massachusetts, as it should. We put our hand

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01:26:07.239 --> 01:26:09.560
over our hearts every time we say that it's the

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01:26:09.640 --> 01:26:12.439
place where four and four years ago the Mayflower Pilgrims

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01:26:12.680 --> 01:26:17.000
held a harvest feast to celebrate their first successful growing season.

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01:26:17.319 --> 01:26:21.520
Preparations now full swing for Plymouths big annual Thanksgiving Parade,

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01:26:21.680 --> 01:26:24.960
where you're going to see floats commemorating the historical origins

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01:26:25.279 --> 01:26:28.960
of America's oldest holiday. Richard, Are you excited?

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I am. I haven't had a Thanksgiving with my family

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01:26:34.199 --> 01:26:39.359
in decades. But for me, having the privilege of helping

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01:26:39.439 --> 01:26:43.720
families build that indelible memory that's going to bring them

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01:26:43.720 --> 01:26:45.880
all together, that's a huge privilege.

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01:26:46.239 --> 01:26:49.199
Yes, exactly well. Lee keeps tempting me, she keeps saying

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01:26:49.239 --> 01:26:51.279
she's going to bring me out there so that we

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01:26:51.319 --> 01:26:55.079
can do the show live. And so I'm still I'm

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01:26:55.119 --> 01:26:57.880
still waiting for my official invitation. Lee, by the way,

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01:26:57.920 --> 01:27:03.239
but don't go guilty right away. Yeah, oh, I'd love to,

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01:27:04.399 --> 01:27:06.439
you know. And I say that every year because it

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01:27:06.600 --> 01:27:09.840
just sounds so exciting and I love history. And here

1702
01:27:09.880 --> 01:27:12.880
we are, I mean, the epicenter of American history, right.

1703
01:27:14.119 --> 01:27:17.079
Yes, I mean we are America's hometown. And the reason

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01:27:17.119 --> 01:27:20.520
we're America's hometown is because this is the very place

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01:27:20.560 --> 01:27:23.800
that that ship Mayflower sailed across to the New Land.

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01:27:24.000 --> 01:27:28.640
And when everyone disembarked, instead of just traders and hunters

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01:27:28.720 --> 01:27:32.600
and men who were there to do nothing but do business, instead,

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01:27:32.640 --> 01:27:36.159
you saw complete families get off the ship and actually

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01:27:36.279 --> 01:27:39.239
settle a place that then grew into be America.

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01:27:39.760 --> 01:27:43.359
Yeah, and there it is today. I mean, how unbelievable. Richard.

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01:27:43.359 --> 01:27:46.319
You say you miss your family, but it's well worthwhile,

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01:27:46.399 --> 01:27:49.359
you say, because you know Plymouth. I mean, you may

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01:27:49.359 --> 01:27:52.159
not be your family, but you're right there with something

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01:27:52.199 --> 01:27:55.800
that's iconically synonymous with Thanksgiving, right exactly.

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01:27:55.960 --> 01:28:00.000
And when I host Thanksgiving dinners here at the museum,

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01:28:00.199 --> 01:28:04.319
I say to people, you are having the same meal

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01:28:04.520 --> 01:28:08.279
that was served at Harvard the year that President Lincoln

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01:28:08.279 --> 01:28:13.840
declared the first national Thanksgiving in decades. So you're having

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01:28:13.880 --> 01:28:18.760
the same flavors as those young undergraduates, but you're sitting

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01:28:18.760 --> 01:28:22.000
at a table with strangers, and those that were at

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01:28:22.039 --> 01:28:25.399
the first Thanksgiving couldn't speak to one another. The English

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01:28:25.479 --> 01:28:29.079
didn't speak Wampanog. Only a handful of Wampanog spoke English

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01:28:29.079 --> 01:28:30.239
and could translate.

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01:28:30.720 --> 01:28:31.600
You all can.

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01:28:31.840 --> 01:28:33.960
So what I need you to do is reach out

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01:28:34.000 --> 01:28:37.439
to the stranger at your table today. Why are you here?

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01:28:37.920 --> 01:28:38.520
Why was it.

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01:28:38.439 --> 01:28:41.760
Important for Plymouth to be one of the Thanksgivings in

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01:28:41.800 --> 01:28:44.600
your life? Who was the first American in your family?

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01:28:44.640 --> 01:28:47.720
If you know it? And people tell one another their

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01:28:47.760 --> 01:28:52.159
stories and it's the American experience at its best. So

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01:28:52.279 --> 01:28:57.239
taking that example of people in the sixteen hundreds reaching

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01:28:57.279 --> 01:29:01.800
towards one another, we can do the same. And that's

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01:29:01.880 --> 01:29:04.279
what we do with Thanksgiving here at the museum. Is

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01:29:04.319 --> 01:29:05.960
how do you make friendships?

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01:29:06.840 --> 01:29:08.760
You know, Lee, you and I've been talking for a

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01:29:08.760 --> 01:29:11.560
couple of years now, and people will tell me to go.

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01:29:11.720 --> 01:29:13.880
You know, Bill, it wasn't on my bucket list before,

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01:29:14.239 --> 01:29:16.119
but this is on my bucket list right.

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01:29:16.800 --> 01:29:19.359
It needs to be on your bucket list because, first

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01:29:19.399 --> 01:29:22.039
of all, you're going to come and learn a foundational

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01:29:22.079 --> 01:29:27.520
American story, which really it affects everyone because the Mayflower

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01:29:27.560 --> 01:29:31.880
Pilgrims are America's family because they were our first immigrants.

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01:29:31.920 --> 01:29:35.439
But in Plymouth we have immigrants from many, many places,

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01:29:35.439 --> 01:29:38.119
and we tell all of their stories. But it's not

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01:29:38.479 --> 01:29:41.159
just all history. You can also have a ton of

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01:29:41.199 --> 01:29:44.520
good time. You can go to group hubs all over

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01:29:44.520 --> 01:29:46.760
the place. We've got a bunch of them. We've got

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01:29:46.800 --> 01:29:51.600
restaurants that also give you food from every ethnicity. We've

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01:29:51.640 --> 01:29:54.319
also got whale watches, and it goes on and on.

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01:29:55.760 --> 01:29:59.359
So you won't get bored there, right, Richard, I.

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01:29:59.279 --> 01:30:02.720
Will never get bored here. And Bill, one of the

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01:30:02.760 --> 01:30:06.239
embarrassing things is, I've been here forty five years. You

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01:30:06.399 --> 01:30:09.159
think i'd know more than I do. And I still

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01:30:09.199 --> 01:30:12.359
think Richard, you're sixty five years old and this insight

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01:30:12.520 --> 01:30:16.399
is only coming to you now. So the story is

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01:30:16.520 --> 01:30:20.359
like a diamond that you look at from facet after facet.

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01:30:20.560 --> 01:30:23.680
So I will never ever be bored here.

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01:30:24.439 --> 01:30:27.119
Well, it's like a good Thanksgiving meal, you know. Sometimes

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01:30:27.479 --> 01:30:31.119
you know it may instantly taste good, but man, something

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01:30:31.359 --> 01:30:34.399
about it afterwards as you remember. And then, of course,

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01:30:34.439 --> 01:30:38.000
as you mentioned, having you know people that you don't

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01:30:38.000 --> 01:30:41.319
know around the table, and here it is Thanksgiving. The

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01:30:41.399 --> 01:30:44.640
spirit of Thanksgiving is bringing people together in a very

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01:30:44.640 --> 01:30:46.279
special way, right exactly.

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01:30:46.600 --> 01:30:51.920
And the stories that I get told because you and

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01:30:52.000 --> 01:30:55.199
I know each other now after all these years, there

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01:30:55.279 --> 01:30:57.880
are times I spend part of my Thanksgiving Day and

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01:30:57.960 --> 01:31:01.199
tears because of what people will tell me during a

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01:31:01.239 --> 01:31:05.479
meal or between a meal, that they've become so safe

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01:31:06.119 --> 01:31:10.600
that they are telling the most vulnerable and poignant things

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01:31:10.640 --> 01:31:13.159
about their lives and why it was important to be

1773
01:31:13.319 --> 01:31:18.199
here and just to be able to share that kindness

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01:31:18.479 --> 01:31:20.680
and be there for someone else. That's what this is

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01:31:20.720 --> 01:31:24.319
all about, as every day should be about exactly.

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01:31:24.560 --> 01:31:28.439
Well. I love Thanksgiving being where it is, Lee. It's

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01:31:28.439 --> 01:31:32.279
the start of a season of gratitude, isn't it it is.

1778
01:31:32.640 --> 01:31:36.319
It's a season of gratitude and kindness. It's a season

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01:31:36.399 --> 01:31:40.800
when everybody can put everything else aside and just enjoy

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01:31:40.960 --> 01:31:44.840
the joy of knowing each other and enjoying a great

1781
01:31:44.880 --> 01:31:48.359
meal and doing some wonderful things, seeing going to see

1782
01:31:48.359 --> 01:31:51.520
a movie together. There's so many different things that people

1783
01:31:51.640 --> 01:31:53.399
love about the holidays.

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01:31:54.039 --> 01:31:57.159
Yes, exactly, Richard. Being the resident historian that you are,

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01:31:58.079 --> 01:32:02.800
why is the first Thanksgiving. Plymouth considered the first celebration

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01:32:03.119 --> 01:32:05.159
of the Thanksgiving holiday in this country.

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01:32:05.560 --> 01:32:10.800
In the eighteen thirties, minister by the name of Alexander

1788
01:32:10.880 --> 01:32:14.720
Young found a pamphlet that had been lost for more

1789
01:32:14.760 --> 01:32:19.199
than two hundred years, and it described the Pilgrim's Harvest

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01:32:19.199 --> 01:32:23.880
feast in the late September early October sixteen twenty one.

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01:32:24.000 --> 01:32:29.399
And everything described in Edward Winslow's letter was similar to

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01:32:29.520 --> 01:32:33.159
the Thanksgiving holiday that had already developed in New England,

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01:32:33.319 --> 01:32:37.239
even though the earlier event was completely forgotten. But in

1794
01:32:37.319 --> 01:32:41.399
that moment when he writes in the footnote, that was

1795
01:32:41.439 --> 01:32:45.800
the first Thanksgiving. From that moment, Plymouth became the location

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01:32:46.000 --> 01:32:48.319
of the nation's Thanksgiving holiday.

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01:32:49.520 --> 01:32:52.359
Lee, I imagine there's a lot of people are making

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01:32:52.399 --> 01:32:57.359
this an annual event. Right, it's just so enjoyable. Thanksgiving

1799
01:32:57.399 --> 01:33:01.000
takes on a whole new meaning for them by going

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01:33:01.039 --> 01:33:02.119
to Plymouth. Right.

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01:33:02.600 --> 01:33:05.079
And the parade, Yes, it does. And the parade is

1802
01:33:05.159 --> 01:33:08.560
so fun. It happens every year the weekend before Thanksgiving,

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01:33:09.079 --> 01:33:12.720
and then people will come and they'll enjoy the Thanksgiving Parade.

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01:33:13.079 --> 01:33:16.600
Learn about this history, plus about the history of America.

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01:33:16.680 --> 01:33:20.439
Because each float represents a different time in America. Then

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01:33:20.479 --> 01:33:23.399
they can relax and go to Plymouth the Texas Museum

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01:33:23.479 --> 01:33:27.079
for that traditional Thanksgiving old style meal.

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01:33:27.720 --> 01:33:28.560
So much to do.

1809
01:33:29.079 --> 01:33:31.439
Yeah, how many floats? Oh gosh?

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01:33:31.520 --> 01:33:35.119
Usually maybe well over thirty or maybe forty.

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01:33:36.159 --> 01:33:39.479
Wow, that's pretty good size, Lee, Only because I got

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01:33:39.479 --> 01:33:42.119
you right now and I got your attention, share with

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01:33:42.199 --> 01:33:45.720
us one of your favorite stories, Oh gosh, one.

1814
01:33:45.560 --> 01:33:48.560
Of my favorite stories. He's the storyteller. One of my

1815
01:33:48.720 --> 01:33:52.640
favorite stories, though, I guess, is watching the children. You know,

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01:33:52.760 --> 01:33:56.039
the children, just the look on their face whenever they

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01:33:56.079 --> 01:33:59.560
see the floats going by and everything going on. And

1818
01:33:59.600 --> 01:34:03.359
it's always so interesting to see families that bring their

1819
01:34:03.439 --> 01:34:07.159
children to the various monuments and such and watch them

1820
01:34:07.680 --> 01:34:11.880
leaning over and explaining and seeing the awe on kids' faces.

1821
01:34:12.760 --> 01:34:16.680
Anyone who says history is boring, it's not in Plymouth.

1822
01:34:17.239 --> 01:34:20.239
Yeah, exactly. I think it'd been near and plussible, especially

1823
01:34:20.319 --> 01:34:22.800
like you say, when you watch the kid's expression. I mean,

1824
01:34:22.800 --> 01:34:25.840
that's priceless, isn't it, Richard. You know we touched on

1825
01:34:25.880 --> 01:34:28.199
this a little bit. Lots of things to do. They're

1826
01:34:28.199 --> 01:34:29.119
at Plymouth right.

1827
01:34:29.479 --> 01:34:34.800
Yes, that we are a place filled with museums and

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01:34:34.840 --> 01:34:39.319
what I love about our relationship to the Plymouth an

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01:34:39.399 --> 01:34:43.680
Aquarian Society and Pilgrim Hall. They have all the originals,

1830
01:34:44.319 --> 01:34:47.239
so they have the things that might have passed through

1831
01:34:47.279 --> 01:34:52.359
the hands of Mayflower passengers. We're a completely accurate reproduction

1832
01:34:52.520 --> 01:34:55.520
of all of that that people can touch and see

1833
01:34:55.560 --> 01:35:01.199
in living action. And so the community together creates this

1834
01:35:01.359 --> 01:35:06.880
wonderful portrait that is the legacy itself protected and then

1835
01:35:06.920 --> 01:35:11.760
the legacy itself reproduced and enacted and explored. And the

1836
01:35:11.800 --> 01:35:15.560
act of exploring the past, of recreating it is an

1837
01:35:15.640 --> 01:35:18.640
act of discovery. So when we take the Mayflower out,

1838
01:35:19.239 --> 01:35:22.479
Captain whit Perry said, every time I sailed this vessel,

1839
01:35:22.920 --> 01:35:27.399
I learned something about the original Mayflower crossing and about

1840
01:35:27.560 --> 01:35:32.000
what Jones was doing on that sixty six day voyage exactly.

1841
01:35:32.039 --> 01:35:34.880
You know, Lee, it just seems to be so miraculous,

1842
01:35:34.920 --> 01:35:38.039
you know when you think about it, right, what makes

1843
01:35:38.039 --> 01:35:41.119
the whole experience so special. We've been talking with Richard

1844
01:35:41.119 --> 01:35:45.079
Pickering and Mayflower descendant and Plymot tourism official Lee Philson.

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01:35:46.359 --> 01:35:50.880
Richard is the official Plymouth Rock historian, so we love

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01:35:50.960 --> 01:35:54.560
having him on, you know, on the show as well.

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01:35:54.760 --> 01:35:57.279
As we wrap things up, Lee it's your responsibility to

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tell everybody where they can go.

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There you go. It's lick the split, easy, easy peasy,

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as we say. Uh, Lee and Richard, thank you so

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much for being with us. Happy Thanksgiving.

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Hey, welcome back Bill Martinez here along with Adam Holts

1935
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from plugged in dot com. A service of focus on

1936
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the family, of course, or we could say a ministry

1937
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of focus on the family. Is that the way to

1938
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say it.

1939
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Yeah, we are a ministry of focus on the family.

1940
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That's exactly right, excellent.

1941
01:40:42.359 --> 01:40:45.159
Hey, uh, let's talk movies for a change, is that Okay?

1942
01:40:45.560 --> 01:40:46.239
That'd be great.

1943
01:40:46.640 --> 01:40:49.119
Although we've been doing it a little bit more often recently,

1944
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so you know.

1945
01:40:50.800 --> 01:40:53.119
You know, we try to we try to touch on

1946
01:40:53.279 --> 01:40:56.560
these things of variants of you know, because movies have

1947
01:40:56.680 --> 01:40:59.279
so much application to life, and so you can't help

1948
01:40:59.359 --> 01:41:04.119
but talk about the things of life, right, So that anyway, right,

1949
01:41:04.279 --> 01:41:09.000
it's a it's all good. So let's talk about the Well,

1950
01:41:09.039 --> 01:41:12.119
it was the number one, now, I guess in terms

1951
01:41:12.159 --> 01:41:15.079
of box office numbers this past weekend. Now you see me,

1952
01:41:15.159 --> 01:41:19.039
now you don't was number one. Wicked is gotten down

1953
01:41:19.079 --> 01:41:21.880
from you know, top of the heap. Now they're ranking

1954
01:41:21.960 --> 01:41:25.560
number eleven, but they're still you know, probably number one

1955
01:41:25.720 --> 01:41:30.279
overall currently running looking at you know, five hundred million

1956
01:41:30.359 --> 01:41:33.039
dollars of box office activity. That's just here in the

1957
01:41:33.039 --> 01:41:34.640
country here domestically, right.

1958
01:41:34.920 --> 01:41:35.720
Yeah, that's right.

1959
01:41:36.279 --> 01:41:40.560
And this weekend we've got Wicked for Good coming out,

1960
01:41:40.680 --> 01:41:45.039
which of course is the follow up to last year's Wicked.

1961
01:41:45.439 --> 01:41:48.880
And if you're not in the flow of the know

1962
01:41:49.079 --> 01:41:53.680
on this, uh, this is based on an incredibly successful

1963
01:41:53.920 --> 01:41:58.239
Broadway musical called Wicked, and it's kind of the origin

1964
01:41:58.359 --> 01:42:02.479
story of Alphaba and you know who might better be

1965
01:42:02.560 --> 01:42:05.520
known as the Wicked Witch of the West. And as

1966
01:42:05.560 --> 01:42:09.119
so often happens these days, the entire thing is sort

1967
01:42:09.159 --> 01:42:13.560
of a deconstruction of one of the most famous cinematic villains.

1968
01:42:13.600 --> 01:42:16.520
And we find out she got a bad rap. She

1969
01:42:16.680 --> 01:42:20.239
was actually the hero. Nobody in The Wizard of Oz

1970
01:42:20.359 --> 01:42:22.920
the movie knew that, of course, and Dorothy gets you

1971
01:42:22.960 --> 01:42:28.600
know conned into you know, melting her that gets retconned,

1972
01:42:28.760 --> 01:42:32.000
as the kids say too in this movie. So this

1973
01:42:32.079 --> 01:42:36.800
is the second movie in this trilogy. And basically, stop

1974
01:42:36.880 --> 01:42:40.439
me when this sounds familiar. We have a tyrannical man

1975
01:42:40.760 --> 01:42:46.640
in charge doing bad things to marginalized people. In this case,

1976
01:42:46.720 --> 01:42:54.199
they are sentient animals, and he is trying to well, basically,

1977
01:42:54.439 --> 01:42:57.159
he's not interested in them having a voice in society

1978
01:42:57.199 --> 01:42:59.319
at all, and so bad things are happening to the

1979
01:42:59.359 --> 01:43:03.039
sentient animal. They're being killed, they're having their you know,

1980
01:43:03.720 --> 01:43:08.319
personality being stripped from them, and Alphaba is their defender.

1981
01:43:08.439 --> 01:43:11.720
She's the defender of the marginalized, which you know that's

1982
01:43:11.760 --> 01:43:15.000
obviously a biblical value. And then we have Glinda the

1983
01:43:15.039 --> 01:43:19.319
good Witch, who is Alphaba's best friend, who's kind of

1984
01:43:19.359 --> 01:43:21.920
being co opted by the wizard to try to get

1985
01:43:21.920 --> 01:43:27.600
on board with, you know, the program here. And gradually Glinda,

1986
01:43:28.800 --> 01:43:32.840
you know, realizes, now I got to help my friend's

1987
01:43:32.960 --> 01:43:35.479
that's kind of what's happening here. A couple of things

1988
01:43:35.520 --> 01:43:38.800
that I think families need to know. I think sometimes

1989
01:43:38.800 --> 01:43:43.359
when we have a deep emotional or experiential connection to something,

1990
01:43:43.640 --> 01:43:46.720
it can keep us from looking clearly at what's right in.

1991
01:43:46.680 --> 01:43:47.279
Front of us.

1992
01:43:47.520 --> 01:43:50.680
And man, I know a lot of people who saw

1993
01:43:50.720 --> 01:43:52.680
this musical on Broadway.

1994
01:43:52.520 --> 01:43:54.760
And I get it. You know, it's fun to go

1995
01:43:54.840 --> 01:43:55.560
to a musical.

1996
01:43:56.159 --> 01:43:59.720
It's got great music, great characters, really engaging story.

1997
01:44:02.039 --> 01:44:06.199
But there's a lot of magic here that just feels

1998
01:44:06.560 --> 01:44:10.159
really dark. And you know, we watch.

1999
01:44:09.880 --> 01:44:13.479
As Alphaba hooks up with this guy and we see

2000
01:44:13.520 --> 01:44:16.439
him in bed together, and you know, it's like, can

2001
01:44:16.439 --> 01:44:18.239
we just not can you just lie?

2002
01:44:18.600 --> 01:44:20.159
Like why? Why?

2003
01:44:20.720 --> 01:44:21.239
Exactly?

2004
01:44:21.960 --> 01:44:26.039
And this actually has a fair bit of violence that's

2005
01:44:26.079 --> 01:44:30.800
not necessarily graphic, but it's the kind of movie that

2006
01:44:31.000 --> 01:44:34.720
you think, Wow, I find it hard to believe that

2007
01:44:34.800 --> 01:44:37.800
this got a PG rating, And so I think you're.

2008
01:44:39.159 --> 01:44:42.640
To know about Yeah, you're exactly right, and I missed Glinda,

2009
01:44:43.199 --> 01:44:49.439
I liked yeah, yeah, but so you'll notice that. But

2010
01:44:49.479 --> 01:44:51.800
the other thing is is I was, you know, looking

2011
01:44:51.800 --> 01:44:54.000
at this, and I'm thinking in light of you know,

2012
01:44:54.000 --> 01:44:56.880
because what last year, we didn't we didn't talk much

2013
01:44:56.880 --> 01:45:01.359
about furries, right, No, now is there some sort of

2014
01:45:01.439 --> 01:45:04.399
furry injection in this, in this whole deal, because you know,

2015
01:45:04.439 --> 01:45:07.640
the thing is about Disney, the stuff that they do

2016
01:45:07.680 --> 01:45:14.720
and they get into it's like it's almost indoctrinal, and.

2017
01:45:14.840 --> 01:45:18.800
Well it is. And you know, I framed this whole conversation.

2018
01:45:20.640 --> 01:45:22.359
It doesn't take a rocket.

2019
01:45:22.039 --> 01:45:27.720
Scientist to sort of identify there's some political commentary going

2020
01:45:27.760 --> 01:45:30.840
on here that's not very deep under the surface.

2021
01:45:30.960 --> 01:45:33.520
Come on, yeah, yeah, they can't help themselves.

2022
01:45:33.520 --> 01:45:35.960
I mean, even though they can't help themselves.

2023
01:45:35.720 --> 01:45:38.640
Even though all these organizations, you know, are trying to

2024
01:45:38.640 --> 01:45:41.520
get rid of DEI and all this other stuff. That's

2025
01:45:41.560 --> 01:45:46.640
going in this politically correct psychology in that I mean,

2026
01:45:46.640 --> 01:45:49.399
it's even to the point now where a government, believe it,

2027
01:45:49.680 --> 01:45:52.399
you know, get into a little politics here, has decided

2028
01:45:53.119 --> 01:45:58.079
that they're going to reimburse all these people that were

2029
01:45:58.119 --> 01:46:04.560
crushed under these dei acrimonious policies brought to you the

2030
01:46:04.600 --> 01:46:07.079
previous administration. And of course I love it when they

2031
01:46:07.079 --> 01:46:10.119
do that, because when they do that, you know, fine,

2032
01:46:10.359 --> 01:46:14.520
you know, if if somehow the government had its own wallet,

2033
01:46:14.680 --> 01:46:17.319
you know, and its own right, you know, checkbook to

2034
01:46:17.359 --> 01:46:20.119
write a check on. But no, they're writing a check

2035
01:46:20.159 --> 01:46:22.840
on the taxpayers. Is that Okay, we messed up and

2036
01:46:23.119 --> 01:46:25.600
you know the taxpayers will pay for it. How is

2037
01:46:25.640 --> 01:46:27.560
that we didn't ask for DEEI to begin with?

2038
01:46:27.760 --> 01:46:29.279
Right, No, that's right.

2039
01:46:29.359 --> 01:46:32.640
And this gets at a broader I'm now jumping to

2040
01:46:32.720 --> 01:46:36.840
a totally different stream away from this movie. But you know,

2041
01:46:36.880 --> 01:46:40.439
as I have tried to help my daughters understand, the

2042
01:46:40.560 --> 01:46:45.640
problem of socialism is that socialism is writing checks that

2043
01:46:46.319 --> 01:46:50.680
no version of socialism has ever been able to cash exactly,

2044
01:46:50.880 --> 01:46:56.720
not once have we seen a successful iteration of an

2045
01:46:56.760 --> 01:47:00.279
extreme socialist vision. And you know, you can talk about

2046
01:47:01.279 --> 01:47:04.920
the kinder gentler versions that we see in Western Europe,

2047
01:47:04.960 --> 01:47:08.560
and that's a parallel conversation. But but there's a hardcore

2048
01:47:08.640 --> 01:47:10.520
push to make everything free.

2049
01:47:11.039 --> 01:47:13.319
And I'm like, well, who's paying?

2050
01:47:13.920 --> 01:47:18.239
Yeah, right, not all free always, somebody always pays.

2051
01:47:18.359 --> 01:47:19.399
Somebody's paying.

2052
01:47:19.600 --> 01:47:22.039
Yeah, And the thing is is the people when you

2053
01:47:22.079 --> 01:47:24.560
look back in the history of socialism and all the isms,

2054
01:47:24.600 --> 01:47:28.119
and you're you know, as you say, socialism is, as

2055
01:47:28.399 --> 01:47:31.000
the founders have said, is you know, the next step

2056
01:47:31.039 --> 01:47:34.960
is communism. And so that's the yellow brick road that

2057
01:47:35.039 --> 01:47:38.359
you're on, bringing back some wicked reference. Just yes, you know,

2058
01:47:38.600 --> 01:47:42.279
to stay appropriate here, but yeah, you're you're exactly You're

2059
01:47:42.319 --> 01:47:45.680
exactly right. It's all about shared misery. There's no such

2060
01:47:45.720 --> 01:47:47.720
thing as a free lunch. We learned that early in life.

2061
01:47:47.760 --> 01:47:49.800
I think we learned that, you know, by the time

2062
01:47:49.880 --> 01:47:53.199
you were ten years old. I think most people understood that. Yeah, somehow,

2063
01:47:53.680 --> 01:47:55.399
I guess when you get in your thirties and forties,

2064
01:47:55.439 --> 01:47:58.760
you become stupid and you forget about that stuff, you know.

2065
01:47:58.840 --> 01:48:01.960
So so yeah, it just in fact, while you're doing

2066
01:48:02.000 --> 01:48:05.319
that and you want to revisit free lunches and all that,

2067
01:48:06.039 --> 01:48:08.760
go put your hand on a burning stove, okay, and

2068
01:48:08.840 --> 01:48:11.760
learn again that you don't put your hand on fire.

2069
01:48:11.960 --> 01:48:14.159
Right, And here's and here's a cliff you can jump

2070
01:48:14.199 --> 01:48:16.199
off with all your friends.

2071
01:48:16.319 --> 01:48:18.880
Right exactly exactly.

2072
01:48:18.960 --> 01:48:24.880
So you know, it's an ongoing conversation about why seductive ideas,

2073
01:48:24.960 --> 01:48:28.680
If it sounds too good to be true, it is, yes,

2074
01:48:28.800 --> 01:48:32.239
And you know, I've tried to help my children understand. Look,

2075
01:48:32.319 --> 01:48:36.560
capitalism has its flaws. It can be exploited, and it

2076
01:48:36.600 --> 01:48:42.000
can lead to you know, the perception of inequalities and

2077
01:48:42.079 --> 01:48:46.560
some real ones. But I think on the whole, capitalism

2078
01:48:46.640 --> 01:48:50.119
is brutal, but it's honest, and socialism on the whole

2079
01:48:50.279 --> 01:48:53.319
is fundamentally there's a lie at the core and it

2080
01:48:53.359 --> 01:48:55.159
will never deliver what it promises.

2081
01:48:55.399 --> 01:48:59.520
Yeah, I don't know the capitalism killed you know, one

2082
01:48:59.640 --> 01:49:03.079
hundred over one hundred million people in the last hundred years.

2083
01:49:03.239 --> 01:49:06.600
I think only the did that, right, Yes, So anyway,

2084
01:49:06.640 --> 01:49:09.920
but we we digress, We do digress. I wanted to

2085
01:49:09.920 --> 01:49:14.319
touch on a couple of movies, uh that I had

2086
01:49:14.319 --> 01:49:15.399
a chance to see.

2087
01:49:15.960 --> 01:49:16.159
Yeah.

2088
01:49:16.399 --> 01:49:18.960
One one's a cute little movie for you know, it's

2089
01:49:18.960 --> 01:49:21.760
coming out just in time for the holidays called merv

2090
01:49:22.720 --> 01:49:25.239
It's about this cute little dog. I mean, if you

2091
01:49:25.279 --> 01:49:27.680
love dogs, I mean, you're gonna love this movie. And

2092
01:49:28.359 --> 01:49:31.920
it's just it's just absolutely precious. It's charming and clever.

2093
01:49:32.439 --> 01:49:36.199
It blends heard humor and a scene stealing terrier. Let

2094
01:49:36.239 --> 01:49:43.800
me tell you he is. Yeah, don't who doesn't, right.

2095
01:49:42.560 --> 01:49:44.840
I own one, So he's always trying to steal.

2096
01:49:45.560 --> 01:49:47.840
Yeah. They just do it naturally. They're they're just born

2097
01:49:47.880 --> 01:49:50.800
that way. But you're gonna you're gonna love this movie.

2098
01:49:51.000 --> 01:49:53.720
It's uh, it's a fun movie for the family. It's

2099
01:49:53.800 --> 01:49:59.680
rated PG. Uh. It's this couple they are you know,

2100
01:49:59.720 --> 01:50:02.840
they break up. They and while they were together and

2101
01:50:02.960 --> 01:50:07.520
dating and on the way to marriage, they purchased this

2102
01:50:07.720 --> 01:50:11.239
terrier and this is like this this becomes their child

2103
01:50:11.880 --> 01:50:15.119
and then then they have to deal with visitation rights

2104
01:50:15.239 --> 01:50:19.560
after the split up, and it causes anxiety for everybody,

2105
01:50:19.600 --> 01:50:23.199
including the dog. And so it's a cute little story

2106
01:50:23.239 --> 01:50:26.000
about how they come back together and you will enjoy it.

2107
01:50:26.039 --> 01:50:30.520
So put that on your radar. Okay. The other one

2108
01:50:30.560 --> 01:50:33.439
that I just love. When you you know, you think

2109
01:50:33.479 --> 01:50:35.720
you saw it all, you know, when it comes to

2110
01:50:36.319 --> 01:50:39.239
King and Country and the small Bone family and everything,

2111
01:50:39.680 --> 01:50:43.680
when you saw the movie Unsung hero right, but as

2112
01:50:43.720 --> 01:50:48.399
we always know, there's more to the story. Joel small

2113
01:50:48.439 --> 01:50:52.640
Bone says that they're the Australian version of the Von

2114
01:50:52.680 --> 01:50:57.560
Trump family. I thought yet, But this movie for King

2115
01:50:57.600 --> 01:51:00.800
and Country no turning back. Actually, it's a document that's

2116
01:51:00.800 --> 01:51:05.000
going to premiere on Sunday the twenty third on Wonder

2117
01:51:05.000 --> 01:51:09.359
Projects subscription channel on Prime Video in the US, Okay,

2118
01:51:09.439 --> 01:51:15.960
And it goes back and we get more dimension and understanding.

2119
01:51:15.960 --> 01:51:18.079
You know, we think of King and Country like there

2120
01:51:18.079 --> 01:51:21.960
were such overnight successes and then Unsung Heroes said, oh no, hey,

2121
01:51:22.039 --> 01:51:25.000
there was cutting lawns, there was posted notes and all

2122
01:51:25.039 --> 01:51:27.079
this other stuff that was going on, and it was

2123
01:51:27.479 --> 01:51:31.359
quite the journey. This expands on it more and talks

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about you know what this you know, this music duo

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and four time Grammy Award winners, what they went through

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and it's ten years And I got to tell you, Adam,

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you think you go ten years? How did we miss

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all that? But this documentary takes you through their journey

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and it's really precious.

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Well, and let me just say I have had a

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couple of opportunities to interview Joel and Luke Smallbone and Bill.

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You've been in the business long enough, you've been around

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the block, right, and sometimes even with Christian celebrities when

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you actually have a chance to sit down with them.

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I don't want to be cynical, but there have been

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times I have been disappointed in just you know, arrogance.

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Right right?

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Are you really a Christian?

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Are you really a Christian? I've had a couple of

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those interactions over the years.

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I'm not going to name any names.

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These guys were as far from that as could possibly be. Like,

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I just instantly felt like I connected with them, that

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we were just able to talk about life and talk

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about the work that they were doing. And it's not

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about me, but I just I just my appreciation for

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them deepened because I think they're the real deal, and

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Heaven knows, we need the real deal wherever we can

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find it these days.

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So that's really worth your time.

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That's why we love you, Adam, because you're the real deal.

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Well I'm trying, no doubt about it.

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I'm trying.

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We got, we got, we gotta leave it there, Adam

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Holtz from plugged in dot com. That's the address, and

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