Nov. 20, 2025

The Bill Martinez Show 11 20 25

The Bill Martinez Show 11 20 25
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The Bill Martinez Show 11 20 25
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Are you ready?

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Yeah, OK, do an ill Martina's Live a program about

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current events, our culture, our values, our politics, and our future.

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And now Bill Martinez.

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Well, good morning, six minutes after the top of the

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are glad you could join us. Hey, don't say I

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didn't warn you. You know, sometimes you have to be

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careful what you ask for. You know, the Democrats suddenly

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are insistent, you know, got to get the Epstein files released.

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And you know, we talked about it being a political distraction,

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it's more than that. It's going to be a political

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bucket of gum, you know, designed by the Democrats to

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bog everybody down, to just further confuse the electorate because

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no matter what comes out, you know, anything that comes

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out from the government, you know, there's going to be redactions,

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There's going to be a lot of interpretations. I mean,

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this is a landmine field with all kinds of future conspiracies.

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Let's just put it that way, right, So careful what

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you ask for. And this is a warning to the electorate.

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Don't be duped here, all right. You have to follow

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the facts like anything. Don't get caught up in the

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emotion of this situation. I mean a lot's been discussed.

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I feel I'm aligned with Mike Johnson in this regard,

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and that is that we need to protect those women,

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these young girls who at an early age in their

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teen years, look back and say, gosh, I made a

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mistake here, and I'm not sure I want, you know,

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my life story exposed and turned over to people who

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could care less about me and my personal story or

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my family. They could possibly be involved and will be

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hurt by the reporting because you know the nature of

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the media is they don't care about the carnage, you know,

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as long as it serves their end, and their end

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right now is number one. They're looking for it as

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a distraction. Number two, to confuse people so that you know,

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come the midterm, it's not that far away from now,

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you're so confused you don't even know what's up and

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what's down. They're going to put you in a bucket

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of gum over this stuff, guaranteed. I mean, it's already

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started right away, you know, the innuendo and stuff, and

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it's you know, it's coming from the same talking heads,

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whether you know it's a congress woman or a senator.

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I mean, it's just kind of absurd. I mean, you know,

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one of two things come to mind. Either they think

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we're too stupid and that we're not aware of history

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because we've heard them say with their own mouths different

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things than they're saying right now. Or they themselves are

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too stupid. You know, they're so ideologically fixed. Again, I

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love this saying from Jordan Peterson, is that you can

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become so ideologically fixed that you've rendered yourself stupid. And

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right now that disease seems to be pretty much centralized

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in the Democratic Party. I mean, look what's happened. Their

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left flank has taken over and they're starting to clear

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the benches and they're doing a serious house cleaning here

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that will take place right before your eyes. It's already starting.

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And get ready, it's going to be a disturbance in

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the force. And the unfortunate thing about all this, and

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I'm not a party guy. I don't care for parties.

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My focus is on America. What's good for America. The partisanship,

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you know, as our first president, George Washington said, would

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only divide us. It wouldn't serve us and serve to

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unit us. Sadly, but you know it's human instinct. You know,

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we want the skins against the shirts. We want the

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good guys against the bad guys. You know, we like

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this kind of controversy, but when it comes to government

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and governance, that's not necessarily in our best interest. You know,

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we don't want a winning team here outside of America.

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The winning team needs to be America and the parties

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they're here, and I wish I'd had some hope, you know,

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and encouragement to tell you that I anticipate that they

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will be no more. I don't see that the nature

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of man as such is that we will have, you know,

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parties involved in various interests that are going to be

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self serving and not going to look to the greater

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goal of serving you know, America at large. And that's

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why you have such a disfocus against the against the Constitution.

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You've heard me say this before any policy, anything that

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comes up, any idea that comes into our orbit, we

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need to ask is this going to add or take

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away from the Constitution? Is it going to add or

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take away from our liberties? And even more so now

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in light of what's happening with Marxism and socialism. I mean,

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the socialists are out. You know, we were just talking

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with one of our guests the other day, and I

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think the number, you know, gosh, not that long ago.

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About a year ago, Trevor Lauden was saying we had

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one hundred elected Democratic Socialists in our government, and our

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guests that, no, it's now two hundred and fifty. I mean,

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think about that, two hundred and fifty. I mean it's

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like half of Congress here, you know. And so they

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are if you look at what their party platform is

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all about, it undermines everything you and I grew up

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with and everything that we believed in, like the constitution.

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You know, they want to deconstruct everything, because that's what

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Marxists do. They deconstruct and they come in with this

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plan and there's nothing new under the sun. Okay, this

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is the same type of model that has been tried

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over the centuries, and it comes out with the same outcome,

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shared misery, millions of people, millions of people die. You

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are mediocritized, you're forced. You're a round peg forced in

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a square hole. It's not fun. And there's some people

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that have been able to extricate themselves, most recently Argentina.

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Look what's happening in Argentina. Just do a little studying.

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I mean, they went on that adventure. I think, what

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for forty fifty years, not a whole lot of fun.

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And thank god their electorate finally woke up and malay

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over there is doing a great job in reforming that country.

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And look what's happening. I mean, they're starting to thrive.

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I mean, and you can sense it. It's like when

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you look at these Communists or Marxist run countries, I mean,

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even when you look at them from satellite images, they're

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very dark, and you look at where you know, the

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West and where you know democracy is thriving, got you've

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got brightness of light, and there's there's hope emanating, you know,

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from these countries. And that's what we want for the

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entire world, not just for the United States. We want

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everybody to thrive and have a fair opportunity at this

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experience that we call life that you know, it's going

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to last seventy eighty years. Of course, it goes on

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to generations because we pass on hopefully you know, a

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better country, whether it's America or you know, whether it's

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Argentina or whatever it is, Japan, that we're passing on

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a better country to the next generation. Right now, America

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is in jeopardy. But you know, like anything, sometimes you

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just have to go through some rough times to realize.

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First of all, you know how important it is the

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natural research thing you currently have in hand, Like right now,

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the Constitution. We're going to be celebrating two hundred and

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fifty years. You look back at the history of this

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great country and my goodness, yeah, I mean, we're so

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blessed in so many ways, and we've blessed others so dramatically.

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Donald Trump was very convinced. If you remember, in one

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of his past State of the Unions I think it

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was the last one that he did in his first administration,

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he said that, you know, we would never be a

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socialist country. Well, you know, it was aspirational. I mean,

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I appreciate his enthusiasm about that, but the fact of

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the matter is that America had already embraced the socialistic ideas.

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And this is what kind of you know, broke up

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the grounds to speak for people to even be considerate

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of socialism, because you have programs that are serving, that

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are self serving for people to make them more like socialists,

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you know, and to create this dependent class and by

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and large, it's been the Democratic Party that's done that.

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That is their source of power is dependency, and so

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what they do is they operate a governance that is

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able to access, you know, taxpayer funds to buy votes

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by way of giving people free stuff. And so now

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here you are. You know, these are rough numbers. Okay,

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you can break it down yourself, but roughly you have

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fifty percent of the people, you know, living off the

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government and fifty percent of the people making things happen

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that are producing. Right. Well, that's unsustainable anyway, We've got

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Hey, welcome back.

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Good to have you with us.

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Bill Martinez here, as we're saying, you know, the fix

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is a bit in when you've got fifty percent of

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the country not working, and it's sad, you know, because

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I feel for these people. I mean, and I hope

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you understand this. Being critical, I'm just saying, God, what

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a wasted life. I mean, you could be out there

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and being productive, but unfortunately you bought in to trusting

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a government which oh yeah, by the way, for the

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sake of leverage, not anything they had to do with you.

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They could care less about you and your family and

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whether you ate or not. They shut down the government

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and you didn't get checks, you didn't get benefits that

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you were supposed to be getting that they told you

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you were entitled to. This is, you know what they

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have conditioned half of our country to believe, and so

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they've created this dependent class. But this is what happens. See,

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this is the difference. See, our constitution says we have

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God given rights, all right, and God is clear what

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he gives you is not going to take back. And

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there's reason why we hold on to these inalienable rights

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because we know if they come from God. You know,

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we're not going to be deprived of those life liberty

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and the pursuit of happiness. God, in his heart is goodness,

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his grace, his mercy gives us life, liberty and the

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pursuit of happiness. And the government and what we're doing,

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you know, with that gift is we're trying to desperately

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hold on to it. I say desperately because we've got

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the powers of the government and particular partisan politics that says,

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oh no, no, no, no, no, you can't. You can't

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handle life, liberty, the pursuit of happiness. You need you

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need a daddy, You need somebody who can provide for you. Well,

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you know, think about it, all right. The government doesn't

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create anything. You understand this. They do not create one

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solitary thing. The government counts on people with ideas, Okay.

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As my oldmentary used to say, and I love this saying,

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by the way, is uh, it's it's all about ideas.

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That is the the initial seed of progress, okay, is that?

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Uh?

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You know, ideas you know, solve h solve sales, or

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solve problems, solve marketing issues. Ideas do that and sales

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the bottom line, the productivity solves everything. Okay. The government

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is not in that equation. Okay, they are post managing

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after the fact, and the only way that they can

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survive is they got to go steal money. I say steal.

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In some cases that's probably true. They steal. I mean,

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all I got to do is look at social Security.

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Oh my goodness, you know, I probably shouldn't open that door,

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because it just I am just so exhausted and upset

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with our government that they've actually stolen from the American people.

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In the mid sixties, Thank you very much. President Johnson

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found a way to found the key. You know, he

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didn't need to know nuclear code, just find the key

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to the lock box of our social social security funds.

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And all these Democrats went nuts. I say, primarily Democrats.

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And you can say, yeah, there's some Republicans, it's a

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political process. I get that, but by and large majority

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was Democrats because they saw all that money in the

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vault and they said, oh my god, well we could

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do with that. You know, that can't be the people's money.

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And so they go ahead and they they break open

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the lock box and they have been stealing. And what

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they throw in the lock box is an IOU slip.

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It's amazing. You know, all these years I U slip,

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so we got a stack of IOU slips. They haven't

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even made one effort to return one dollar of Social Security.

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And then meanwhile they get you to believe that, oh,

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you know, it's running, it's bankrupt, and the only way

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it can survive is you got to take a hit.

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You know, you who who put the money in the account,

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and you're the one that has to take the hit

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because they've mismanaged it. And there's no program other than saying, hey,

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American people, taxpayer, you have to take the hit.

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You know.

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But I don't hear Congress and at all, I don't

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hear anybody taking a hit and saying, hey, look at

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you know, just even for gesture, we are going to

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carve out ten percent of our salaries and that's going

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to go into the treasury to begin to buy back

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some of those IOWEU slips. I get it. You know

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they're gonna say, well, you know, it wasn't my fault.

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It was you know, to other generations, these other but no,

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it is your fault because you've allowed it to continue,

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you didn't do anything about it, and now you put

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people in the lat of stages of their life when

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they're at a time when they're supposed to relax and

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kind of begin to coast in to the final stages

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of their life, and they don't have the ability to

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sit there and say, oh, wow, okay, I gotta you know,

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I got to get back to work, and I got

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to you know, somehow find the energy of a forty

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year old when I'm seventy to be able to make

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up the difference because these politicians stole from us. I mean,

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does that not incense you or you just think that's

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okay that you know when they come in and say, well, sorry,

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you know, you can't retire at sixty five anymore. You know,

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you've got to be at least seventy two or seventy

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five in order to make this work, in order to

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pay for their sins.

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Right.

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See, this is what you know I've been saying, is

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this is the problem with consequences. See, our government avoids

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consequences at all costs. You know, you break the law,

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you kill somebody, you do whatever, you steal up to

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one thousand dollars, you know, out of a grocery store,

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out of a jewelry store and there's no consequences, So

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no consequences, the person who broke the law doesn't learn

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a lesson. And then what happens is the consequences of that,

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because you know, we live in a just society and

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there has to be consequences. So guess who gets to

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pay the consequences? You and I, you know, the people

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who are law abiding. We pay the consequences because, you know,

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the loss of income.

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For that business.

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And then worse yet, we lose that business. So now

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that business is out of town. You know, we got pharmacies.

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You know, people were your grandma used to go to

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walk to the pharmacy. Now she can she's got to

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get an uber and drive to it in some cases.

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So that's added to the problem. And then the other

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thing is that what about your kids. You know that

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used to be a summer job for them, Those summer

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jobs they're gone. And it's amazing how many summer jobs

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and I'm waiting for this breakdown. I haven't seen it yet,

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but how many summer jobs are lost in these blue

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states that are so warm and fuzzy and coddling to

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all these people and saying, hey, don't worry you don't

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have to pay a consequence. But meanwhile, the consequence is

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felt by the community because the businesses that were there,

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oh yeah, paying taxes, you know, to the city and

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the state, they're no longer there. They say, we're out

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of here, and you can't blame them. And so who

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pays the taxpayer? Again, as if we can afford to

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do that. When we have a government that's not very efficient,

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thirty eight trillion dollars in debt, and when there's a

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move to say, hey, we need to do something about this,

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everybody say, oh yeah, okay, I'll vote for it. Seventy

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seven million votes goes to Donald Trump's yeah, fix it,

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fix the problem. He starts to fix the problem, and

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then you get all these politicians that are in the

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fetal position, yelling, screaming, getting people, you know, yelling at

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the corners of the street and everything in the marketplace.

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Oh they're you know, they're going to kill people, and

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they're killing jobs and all this other stuff. Wait a minute,

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we're paying you know what, over two trillion dollars a

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year more than we make. Okay, you wouldn't do that

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in your household, but yet in the government they can

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do that. They have the power to write checks not

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only on your back, not only on your kids back,

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not only on your grandkids back. Now they're into your

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great grandkids. I mean, this is a catastrophic generational Ponzi

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scheme brought to you by the US government, a government

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that is supposed to be a government of for by

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we the people. See, we lost that a long time

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ago because we, you know, we the people checked out.

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We decided, okay, and politics is it's dirty and it's messy,

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and I don't want to get involved with it. So

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check out. You know, these politicians love it. They love

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it when you check out, because guess what, with you gone,

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they get to write the rules. And they've been writing

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the rules and write in the paychecks again on your back,

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your children's back, your grandkids and your great grandkids. And

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guess what they'll be. They'll go further into generations if

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we let them get away with it. So if not now,

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then when you see, right now, we have an opportunity

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with Donald Trump in office, because I believe he has

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the heart you know, for America, for Americans, okay, and

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he needs help, he needs reinforcements so that when he

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gets pushed back from these knuckleheads, self serving politicians. Then

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you know, he stays focused, gets the job done, whether

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it's closing the border, which she's done. Now we're deporting

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and people are upset about the way the deport Well,

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how do you expect, we know, what's your idea, how

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would you expect to get you know, Joe opened up

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the gate here and we got numbers we don't even know. Okay,

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I think the one is generally you hear is like

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ten million. It could be as high as twenty million

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illegal immigrants in this country. And look at the impact

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that it's had on our economy, everything economical. Let's talk

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about affordability. Okay, we surrendered affordability when Joe Biden was

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elected into office and felt like he had to pay

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all these political debts and what he did to the

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damage he did to this country. You can't. You just

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barely are seeing the tip of the iceberg. It's catastrophic,

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ladies and gentlemen. Anyway, we'll continue the conversation. Thank you

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for listening.

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Hey, good morning, welcome back Bill Martinez here along with

508
00:27:54.039 --> 00:27:57.000
doctor Wilfrid Reiley. Hey, well, how are we doing?

509
00:27:58.079 --> 00:27:59.880
Great? Glad to be back on the stove.

510
00:28:00.319 --> 00:28:03.880
Well, let me ask you Epstein or no Epstein to

511
00:28:04.000 --> 00:28:04.799
do one or the other?

512
00:28:05.240 --> 00:28:08.920
Do you care? I mean, there's a lot going on here.

513
00:28:09.000 --> 00:28:11.000
First of all, I think the Epstein files, you know,

514
00:28:11.039 --> 00:28:14.440
the Republicans were the bore conservative already more traditionalists, you know,

515
00:28:14.559 --> 00:28:16.039
get away from my daughter, you creep.

516
00:28:16.119 --> 00:28:18.640
So there's the Epstein files are always a GOP issue.

517
00:28:20.000 --> 00:28:23.759
And I think that if if Trump Vance and others

518
00:28:23.839 --> 00:28:26.359
thought that there were donors in the Epstein files and

519
00:28:26.480 --> 00:28:28.640
it was a bad idea to focus on the Epstein files,

520
00:28:28.680 --> 00:28:30.960
that we shouldn't have focused on the Epstein files so

521
00:28:31.240 --> 00:28:33.440
very often. Like I mean, if you you don't think

522
00:28:33.480 --> 00:28:35.359
the quarterback has an arm, you don't. You don't try

523
00:28:35.400 --> 00:28:37.400
to advance the ball in the air, you do something else.

524
00:28:37.839 --> 00:28:41.079
So this is something that we did for years. I mean,

525
00:28:41.160 --> 00:28:43.319
so it's just at this point. I mean, Trump the

526
00:28:43.359 --> 00:28:45.119
other day said Okay, we're just gonna release them. I

527
00:28:45.119 --> 00:28:47.440
think that's the move, you know, I mean Matt Walsh

528
00:28:47.480 --> 00:28:49.759
just said this, like you guys made this an issue,

529
00:28:50.000 --> 00:28:53.960
like you said, you know, big Epstein had pictures. Actually,

530
00:28:54.000 --> 00:28:56.039
don't see why I'd give the honorific the Epstein had

531
00:28:56.079 --> 00:28:57.880
pictures of Bill Clinton in his apartment.

532
00:28:57.960 --> 00:28:59.920
He's this is their issue. Well you should.

533
00:29:00.039 --> 00:29:01.480
We saw him in the blue dress, right, did you

534
00:29:01.480 --> 00:29:06.160
see the big portrait there with the st Hills in

535
00:29:06.279 --> 00:29:07.039
a blue dress?

536
00:29:07.119 --> 00:29:09.759
I mean, is like there are rumors that Bill Clinton

537
00:29:09.839 --> 00:29:11.279
was gay. I mean, people are trying to link him

538
00:29:11.279 --> 00:29:14.480
to Trump, and they're the world. I don't think that occurred,

539
00:29:14.519 --> 00:29:16.480
but I mean they're they're apparently Clinton is the guy

540
00:29:16.480 --> 00:29:18.200
who's the initiator there. He's been linked to six or

541
00:29:18.200 --> 00:29:20.160
seven other men. I don't I don't really think that's true,

542
00:29:20.279 --> 00:29:24.079
but Clinton is. He is pictured in a dress in

543
00:29:24.279 --> 00:29:27.000
a famous painting that was found in a Jeffrey Epstein's home.

544
00:29:27.079 --> 00:29:31.519
Whatever that might imply again allegedly. Allegedly is an attorney

545
00:29:31.519 --> 00:29:33.759
will tell you to say. But the whole thing about

546
00:29:33.799 --> 00:29:36.240
this is this was always thought of as a scandal

547
00:29:36.400 --> 00:29:39.319
among the urban upper middle class, mostly on the left.

548
00:29:39.880 --> 00:29:42.839
The GOP never shut up about it. Walsh and others

549
00:29:42.880 --> 00:29:44.880
have said, released the Epstein files. I would say Shirt

550
00:29:44.920 --> 00:29:48.519
released the Epstein files. My opinion is that the reason

551
00:29:48.759 --> 00:29:51.279
people got cold feet about the Epstein files is that

552
00:29:51.440 --> 00:29:53.960
when skilled prosecutors and this would include Bondi, this would

553
00:29:53.960 --> 00:29:57.240
include Patel, actually looked through them. What they found was

554
00:29:57.319 --> 00:29:59.920
not a bunch of nonsense, but very serious stuff mixed

555
00:30:00.039 --> 00:30:02.400
in with flight logs, the stuff that's been a wiki.

556
00:30:02.200 --> 00:30:02.839
Leaks for a while.

557
00:30:03.359 --> 00:30:05.680
And the obvious idea is that once you put that

558
00:30:05.799 --> 00:30:08.920
out in public, what you're going to get from even

559
00:30:09.440 --> 00:30:12.240
you know, solid conservative blogs, Conservative Treehouse and so on,

560
00:30:12.359 --> 00:30:15.960
but certainly from mainstream media is just a list of

561
00:30:16.039 --> 00:30:18.880
all the names. And that's going to include people that

562
00:30:19.000 --> 00:30:21.599
are mentioned for in connection with some very serious things.

563
00:30:22.000 --> 00:30:23.680
And that's also just going to include people that are

564
00:30:23.720 --> 00:30:27.279
mentioned as having been on a guest list for some point.

565
00:30:27.359 --> 00:30:27.559
Yeah.

566
00:30:27.640 --> 00:30:30.559
Right, you just happen to cross as orbit or something,

567
00:30:31.039 --> 00:30:34.079
and there you are, and I think in part of this,

568
00:30:34.200 --> 00:30:37.000
I mean, this is such a political distraction. I mean,

569
00:30:37.319 --> 00:30:41.519
the Republicans really need to focus on the Trump agenda.

570
00:30:41.960 --> 00:30:45.000
You know, we've got hours and minutes running. You know,

571
00:30:45.079 --> 00:30:47.799
the clock is running. We got the midterms coming up,

572
00:30:48.400 --> 00:30:52.279
and you know, and Trump has got to get back

573
00:30:52.319 --> 00:30:53.680
to hitting home runs, doesn't he.

574
00:30:54.960 --> 00:30:55.160
Yeah.

575
00:30:55.200 --> 00:30:57.319
I mean I think I used a football analogy earlier,

576
00:30:57.359 --> 00:30:59.640
and this in politics, this is what you do. This

577
00:30:59.799 --> 00:31:02.680
is calling time outs, this is icing the kicker, this

578
00:31:02.839 --> 00:31:04.839
is the crap you do to stop the other team

579
00:31:04.880 --> 00:31:07.480
from doing anything. And a lot of people I'm political

580
00:31:07.559 --> 00:31:10.240
scientists by background and political consultant, and a lot of

581
00:31:10.279 --> 00:31:14.440
people don't understand that the time frames here are very limited.

582
00:31:14.920 --> 00:31:17.599
So generally political business gets done when you have a

583
00:31:17.680 --> 00:31:19.519
president and you have a House and a Senate, and

584
00:31:19.599 --> 00:31:22.680
that's usually a timeframe of about two years. So even

585
00:31:22.920 --> 00:31:25.519
the better players, I mean, you can dislike Barack Obama

586
00:31:25.599 --> 00:31:29.000
from the right, but a pretty skilled democratic operative Trump obviously,

587
00:31:29.599 --> 00:31:33.119
those guys in that window do less than you might think.

588
00:31:33.559 --> 00:31:35.960
And that's probably good in terms of how the founding

589
00:31:36.000 --> 00:31:39.480
fathers would have wanted it. You don't want three equivalents

590
00:31:39.480 --> 00:31:40.960
of Obamacare coming.

591
00:31:40.839 --> 00:31:42.960
Through in that Yeah, exactly right.

592
00:31:43.200 --> 00:31:45.839
So the other guys are trying to tackle you. Basically,

593
00:31:45.920 --> 00:31:48.119
they're trying to stop that. It's hard to do anything

594
00:31:48.160 --> 00:31:50.920
in the Senate without sixty men. But yeah, this stuff

595
00:31:51.079 --> 00:31:53.279
like Okay, we'll vote to do X if you vote

596
00:31:53.279 --> 00:31:55.079
to release every name in the Epstein files. All this

597
00:31:55.279 --> 00:31:58.000
is delaying and stand up. Yeah, I mean I think

598
00:31:58.039 --> 00:32:00.839
the Republican should vote, should focus on getting things done

599
00:32:00.880 --> 00:32:04.519
that are actually real. Obviously, the question is can you

600
00:32:04.759 --> 00:32:08.920
do that with all this pressure from the base about

601
00:32:09.000 --> 00:32:11.799
the side issues that you've made into issues.

602
00:32:12.519 --> 00:32:14.240
So the quote unquote woke right thing?

603
00:32:14.680 --> 00:32:16.920
Are you gonna have to address some of the claims

604
00:32:17.000 --> 00:32:20.400
made by say Nick Fuintes. I mean that's been brought

605
00:32:20.480 --> 00:32:22.400
up into the mainstream. The New York Times seems to

606
00:32:22.440 --> 00:32:25.480
love Nick Fouintez, like they finally found a Republican. They

607
00:32:25.599 --> 00:32:27.480
like hea that's right, of course, Like they're gonna they're

608
00:32:27.519 --> 00:32:29.720
gonna present this guy. It's not like you or me

609
00:32:29.960 --> 00:32:33.440
or something that this is the average conservative. He's a

610
00:32:33.960 --> 00:32:37.839
Hispanic would be neo Nazi. I mean, the kid believes

611
00:32:37.920 --> 00:32:40.000
what he said me more, but like just that's who

612
00:32:40.000 --> 00:32:42.000
they're gonna feature eight times, so where you're gonna have

613
00:32:42.079 --> 00:32:44.640
to do conferences discussing that, and then you're gonna have

614
00:32:44.759 --> 00:32:45.960
to discuss.

615
00:32:45.599 --> 00:32:46.319
The Epstein files.

616
00:32:46.559 --> 00:32:48.400
I would just I would put a player like Vance

617
00:32:48.400 --> 00:32:50.240
in there and just keep knocking it out each one

618
00:32:50.279 --> 00:32:52.480
of these, do it in a day, to knock that

619
00:32:52.519 --> 00:32:54.599
stuff off the table as quickly as possible.

620
00:32:54.519 --> 00:32:57.680
Right exactly, No, I I agree with Then that's good advice. Uh,

621
00:32:57.920 --> 00:33:00.559
you know, go ahead, And I don't understand, you know,

622
00:33:00.880 --> 00:33:05.680
in your perception, you see that the GOP really prolonged

623
00:33:05.759 --> 00:33:09.480
or exacerbated the Epstein files. What should they have done

624
00:33:09.599 --> 00:33:12.200
just right from the get go release it? Because I think,

625
00:33:12.359 --> 00:33:16.000
you know, if I remember correctly, there was a response

626
00:33:16.079 --> 00:33:18.119
from the GOP that they were going to release it

627
00:33:18.319 --> 00:33:21.000
and then they backed off. So they must have seen

628
00:33:21.119 --> 00:33:24.160
something in the files, or maybe there was some sort

629
00:33:24.240 --> 00:33:29.039
of judicial review or you know, some in you know,

630
00:33:29.440 --> 00:33:34.599
some ramification that caused them to you know, to reverse

631
00:33:34.680 --> 00:33:35.480
course a little bit.

632
00:33:36.519 --> 00:33:38.319
Well, I mean what my fiance thinks, I mean, she

633
00:33:38.359 --> 00:33:41.359
has a legal background. This is just a personal opinion,

634
00:33:41.519 --> 00:33:42.960
but I mean I think this is probably about right.

635
00:33:43.079 --> 00:33:45.440
Is that in the non criminal portion of the Epstein

636
00:33:45.440 --> 00:33:47.960
files they saw donor names is something like that, Like

637
00:33:48.039 --> 00:33:50.200
you just you go through all five hundred pages of

638
00:33:50.279 --> 00:33:52.640
that material, and again, a lot of this stuff is

639
00:33:52.680 --> 00:33:55.079
on wiki leagues for people that are, you know, reasonably

640
00:33:55.160 --> 00:33:58.359
strong stomached. It's not it's not like sex party logs.

641
00:33:58.440 --> 00:34:02.160
It's this is the before it got the edgy nickname,

642
00:34:02.519 --> 00:34:04.480
and these are the people that went to a conference

643
00:34:04.519 --> 00:34:05.400
with Jeffrey Epstein.

644
00:34:05.759 --> 00:34:07.680
So, I mean, I think the question is you release

645
00:34:07.720 --> 00:34:09.760
all this stuff and it says this is who was

646
00:34:09.800 --> 00:34:11.039
involved with Jeffrey Epstein.

647
00:34:11.599 --> 00:34:14.440
Are you just indicating that two thirds of the top

648
00:34:14.559 --> 00:34:17.280
Democratic donors and a quarter of the top Republican donors

649
00:34:17.320 --> 00:34:20.800
knew Jeffrey Epstein? And if you say that, and I'm

650
00:34:20.840 --> 00:34:23.719
just speculating here, but what does that imply? Are you

651
00:34:24.119 --> 00:34:26.840
then liable for any libel suits or anything that come

652
00:34:26.880 --> 00:34:28.679
out of that. So I think there was a lot

653
00:34:28.760 --> 00:34:30.360
of big talk about this, like we're going to bring

654
00:34:30.440 --> 00:34:33.360
down everyone that knew that pedophile and then it turns

655
00:34:33.400 --> 00:34:35.159
out that the case gets the case gets a little

656
00:34:35.199 --> 00:34:39.039
more complicated, right like last thing on this But Dick Hanania,

657
00:34:39.239 --> 00:34:42.400
who's an interesting commentator, has been kind of risking his

658
00:34:42.559 --> 00:34:44.800
shirt saying some stuff about this online where his comment

659
00:34:44.920 --> 00:34:46.639
was like, look, you know, I went to high school

660
00:34:46.679 --> 00:34:49.679
that eight nineteen eighties, Like some of this would not

661
00:34:49.800 --> 00:34:52.679
have been considered evil pedophilia in that time. Like a

662
00:34:52.719 --> 00:34:55.320
lot of the Epstein girls were like eighteen nineteen years old,

663
00:34:55.639 --> 00:34:57.079
they were in the Florida party scene.

664
00:34:57.079 --> 00:34:58.559
They were dating older business people.

665
00:34:59.159 --> 00:35:01.719
Like right now, we have a different morality, and you

666
00:35:01.760 --> 00:35:03.519
know his guys with daughters, who might think that's good.

667
00:35:04.000 --> 00:35:05.679
But the whole idea of like this guy was a

668
00:35:05.760 --> 00:35:08.119
murder a sex trafficker, like that would apply to maybe.

669
00:35:07.960 --> 00:35:09.079
Five or six of these cases.

670
00:35:09.199 --> 00:35:11.719
Like can we break out the people that knew those girls?

671
00:35:12.719 --> 00:35:14.480
Is there evidence of what happened?

672
00:35:15.039 --> 00:35:16.920
Because some of these people seem to be mentally ill,

673
00:35:17.000 --> 00:35:17.440
Like he's.

674
00:35:17.320 --> 00:35:21.280
Mentioned Virginia Geoffrey, and that's the person who's accused, like

675
00:35:21.360 --> 00:35:23.079
the King of England of having sex with her.

676
00:35:23.400 --> 00:35:27.079
Yeah, and she and she and she died here recently, right,

677
00:35:27.199 --> 00:35:28.239
a couple of years ago.

678
00:35:28.360 --> 00:35:30.840
Yeah, sadly, fortunately she's dead. And I believe the narcotics

679
00:35:30.880 --> 00:35:31.599
may have been involved in that.

680
00:35:31.679 --> 00:35:35.360
So like if if someone who is involved in sex

681
00:35:35.480 --> 00:35:38.039
work comes forward and says, the King of England had

682
00:35:38.119 --> 00:35:41.880
sex with me, like should we automatically say, well, yes,

683
00:35:42.039 --> 00:35:44.920
clearly that happened, and now we need to start rounding

684
00:35:45.039 --> 00:35:49.679
up everyone else that she names. I think until very recently,

685
00:35:49.800 --> 00:35:52.280
until the me too feminist era, there would have been

686
00:35:52.360 --> 00:35:56.639
a very questioning response to that, And so Jeffrey Epstein

687
00:35:57.079 --> 00:36:01.079
became kind of a symbol of that entire era of like, yes,

688
00:36:01.199 --> 00:36:04.119
we are treating women badly, but also we haven't yet

689
00:36:04.159 --> 00:36:06.280
begun to question what some of these women are saying

690
00:36:06.320 --> 00:36:08.679
with regard to me too. A lot of those cases,

691
00:36:08.760 --> 00:36:11.440
like those involving MLB players and so I just fell apart.

692
00:36:11.480 --> 00:36:12.360
It's worth remembering.

693
00:36:12.840 --> 00:36:17.280
So it's a tough situation. I think that the question

694
00:36:17.480 --> 00:36:20.000
became how much of this is absolutely real? How much

695
00:36:20.039 --> 00:36:23.199
of this involved minors? And how much of what's described

696
00:36:23.239 --> 00:36:27.920
in the quote unquote Epstein files involved criminal conduct, because

697
00:36:27.960 --> 00:36:31.039
otherwise you're just releasing a bunch of people's names in

698
00:36:31.239 --> 00:36:34.599
connection with what's going to be presented as a pedophilia investigation,

699
00:36:35.039 --> 00:36:36.960
who may or may not have done anything.

700
00:36:37.000 --> 00:36:39.280
And you're going to throw it out in the public square.

701
00:36:40.320 --> 00:36:46.960
I mean, there's no judiciary, there's no legal defense. It's just, hey,

702
00:36:47.119 --> 00:36:49.519
let's just wholesale throw it out. And like you said,

703
00:36:49.840 --> 00:36:53.599
there's many elements involved here. I mean, you've got I

704
00:36:53.679 --> 00:36:56.280
think it was reported this morning at least a thousand

705
00:36:56.960 --> 00:37:00.280
of the girls who are involved there saying please don't

706
00:37:00.320 --> 00:37:02.360
release it. They don't want their name out there. They

707
00:37:02.480 --> 00:37:06.760
want to, you know, maintain privacy. And so you don't

708
00:37:06.760 --> 00:37:12.000
want to victimize again revictimize these victims. And then you've

709
00:37:12.079 --> 00:37:14.760
got donors, and we know what Democrats do with a

710
00:37:14.840 --> 00:37:17.199
donor list. Oh my god, it's just going to be

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it's going to be one big hot mess. And then

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the rest of America is going to be debating, you know,

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this whole this whole Epstein issue. And meanwhile, we got

714
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serious problems. Our government was closed for over forty days.

715
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We're trying to get back up to speed, and uh,

716
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you know, get on top of you know, a government

717
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that's spending two trillion dollars more than it can afford

718
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right now just for start to.

719
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Release or not.

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Is it is it up in the air question. I

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do think they're gonna be so. On the one hand,

722
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I'm not particularly sympathetic to a bunch of rich people

723
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that in most cases we're probably cheating on their wives

724
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with these these young girls I mean.

725
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And you know, it's a tough question.

726
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Now, obviously there would be innocent people who would impacted

727
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by this. On the other hand, there also would be

728
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a lot of people who are flying on the quote

729
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unquote Lelita Express with Jeff Epstein, and you kind of

730
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do know what Jeff Epstein's doing. I mean, even if

731
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you're just closing business, you see a guy who, whether

732
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or not you think they're all abused fourteen year old kids,

733
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He's surrounded by what looks like a junior college cheerleading team.

734
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I think he's a married man for most of this, Like,

735
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you know what this is, right, So like there's a

736
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you know, you kind of get what you deserve in

737
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some cases, but this is not the major issue facing

738
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the country.

739
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I think that's that's absolutely correct, and it also obviously

740
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does open up the window for a ton of blackmail.

741
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I mean, oh yeah, well, look at I'm glad you're

742
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saying this because I'm thinking we're making a whole I mean,

743
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look at, I think that morality is a serious deal.

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We need to be careful about it. But you know,

745
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at what expense? What are we trading off here when

746
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we've got a country that's got some serious issues and

747
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these are the moral issues are very fundamental and we

748
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can have a long discussion on that route, but right

749
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now I think that you know, there's got to be

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Doctor Wilfrid Riley. I guess, just to put a bow

834
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around this, this situation is that here we're coming off

835
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of a government that was shut down. People, thank god,

836
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are getting their Snap benefits back, although you know, like anything,

837
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there was a bit of exposure and uh, you know

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Trump the administration is saying, hey, look at if you're

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getting benefits, maybe we need you to reapply because you know,

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we're finding out that there are people who are dead

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getting Snap benefits. People don't qualify. I mean stuff that

842
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Doe should pointed out. And as I mentioned before the break,

843
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will we're spending two trillion dollars more a year. I mean,

844
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every sixty days, we're adding another trillion dollars to our deficit.

845
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That's crazy.

846
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That's the real issue.

847
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I think the basic problem for the United States is

848
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that the federal budget is something like nine trillion dollars

849
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a year, and federal tax revenue is about six trillion

850
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dollars a year, which itself is an insane amount. So

851
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when you look at the government, it's always fun to

852
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see these studies that Doge broke down or that Senator

853
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Ran Paul brings out, Like every year we spend ten

854
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million dollars looking at the impact of pure cocaine on

855
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quail sex or whatever. But that's not the majority of

856
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the money that's spent. Like the biggest lock box that

857
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we have a Social Security, which at least is justifiable.

858
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People paid.

859
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It's supposed to be locked. They opened it up, thank

860
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you very much, President Johnson. But that's a whole nother

861
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story to go ahead.

862
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Yeah, but that that at least some people paid in

863
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sixty percent or whatever of what they're getting out. But

864
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that Social Security is something like two trillion dollars a

865
00:45:05.519 --> 00:45:08.000
year in payouts, and that's that's almost a separate system.

866
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But then you've got Medicare, Medicaid, welfare. Those three together

867
00:45:12.119 --> 00:45:14.119
are about three trillion dollars that we spend every year.

868
00:45:14.519 --> 00:45:17.159
We've got defense, which again is somewhat justifiable. That's about

869
00:45:17.159 --> 00:45:20.519
a trillion. Then we move over, we've got interest on

870
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the national debt, which is one point two trillion. People

871
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forget this, like we're so much in debt that we're

872
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paying the equivalent of credit card interest just on the

873
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money we owe. And then after that, after Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, Welfare, IEFDC,

874
00:45:36.199 --> 00:45:41.360
EBT SNAP, everything else and debt service, then we've got

875
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all the other programs in the government and everything else

876
00:45:43.960 --> 00:45:46.159
in the entire government is about twenty percent of the budget.

877
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So this creates a pretty substantial problem for the budget,

878
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and that you can't cut it unless you attack these

879
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core services like Medicare, and I mean the best way

880
00:45:55.960 --> 00:45:58.400
to do this probably is to go in through the

881
00:45:58.480 --> 00:46:01.840
poverty programs, which are unsympathetic to a lot of people

882
00:46:02.480 --> 00:46:04.920
and which also have these issues like what you're describing,

883
00:46:05.000 --> 00:46:06.960
i e. Like a lot of the people on them

884
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may not be current active recipients. Sorry, for whatever reason,

885
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I have some irritation. I'm not like crying and ye

886
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passion or whatever emotional here. Yeah, it can't believe these people.

887
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But anyway, so yeah, there's a there's a massive amount

888
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of issue. There's a massive amount of fraud. Soone gone

889
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going with most of the welfare system. Massive, of course

890
00:46:25.840 --> 00:46:28.559
is relative. I mean, most serious political science, even on

891
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the right would put fraud levels at hundred ten percent.

892
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But still when you look at the number of people

893
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on these programs, I mean, I recall that when I

894
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look this up for I think I was going to

895
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go on Jesse Waters, although this isn't even higher quality program.

896
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But we're going to go on there.

897
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And it turned out there were forty two million people

898
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bill on EBT. There are forty million people on this

899
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one welfare program. We looked at Social Security and again

900
00:46:53.840 --> 00:46:55.519
you can argue more for that. There were seventy two

901
00:46:55.599 --> 00:46:58.840
million people on Social Security. Section eight was twenty two

902
00:46:58.960 --> 00:47:01.760
million people. And so there's a basic question of who

903
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are the taxpayers because these are all very distinct programs,

904
00:47:04.920 --> 00:47:07.400
Like there are many people on social Security and welfare,

905
00:47:07.920 --> 00:47:10.960
So you can't have eighty million people here and then

906
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sixty million people here and then another fifty million people

907
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on just well payment welfare. We have three hundred million people,

908
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So you can't have one hundred million guys that are

909
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including you and me, that are actually paying the bills

910
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for everyone else in the country. And that's the issue

911
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that we're running into, and that's why the government is

912
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picking up so much of this slack, and that's why

913
00:47:29.840 --> 00:47:32.159
they're taking from the social security lock box and so on.

914
00:47:32.519 --> 00:47:34.840
But that's also why we're taking out all this debt,

915
00:47:34.920 --> 00:47:36.599
and that's the core problem in the country right now.

916
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Yeah. Well, and the other reason, the motivating factor in

917
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all this will what I'm realizing here is that a

918
00:47:43.119 --> 00:47:46.639
lot of this debt in these you know, social programs

919
00:47:46.679 --> 00:47:51.920
in that are they're buying their vote getters. They're out

920
00:47:51.960 --> 00:47:56.000
there buying votes with taxpayer money, putting us deeper in debt,

921
00:47:56.599 --> 00:48:01.280
because that's the model of how the political system operates

922
00:48:01.400 --> 00:48:02.119
on the Beltway.

923
00:48:03.719 --> 00:48:05.079
Yeah, I mean this is a famous quote from I

924
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think Ben Franklin.

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One of the problems for republics that they can only

926
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survive until the average taxpayer figures out he can vote

927
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himself largests from the public problem. Right So yeah, I

928
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mean it's at some level it's easier to do bad

929
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things than good things. And I think that's because the

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reward analysis for doing a good.

931
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Thing comes later.

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You're going to review your life before you die, and

933
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then I think a religious person would say it's going

934
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to be reviewed again after that. Like there there are

935
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reasons to do the positive. But right now, if you

936
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pursue the girl or take the money or whatever. There's

937
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a very direct reward. And it's the same thing with governance, right,

938
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I mean, so like if you the student loan forgiveness

939
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is a classic example of this, which Biden put forward,

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like if you hey would have liked student loan forgiveness, Like,

941
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I still have a thirty thousand or whatever an outstanding den.

942
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I've been paying them down pretty consistently and I'm doing

943
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pretty well. So you just give me thirty thousand dollars.

944
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Now what's the problem, of course, Well, you've just taken

945
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this massive amount of money and one hundred and fifty

946
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billion or whatever it is, right, and you've paid it

947
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off using taxpayer money. So the debt increases by that amount.

948
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And you've also essentially penalized everyone who already paid their

949
00:49:16.159 --> 00:49:17.920
own bills, and everyone who didn't go to college. You

950
00:49:18.000 --> 00:49:19.519
treated them as a joke and they went to beauty

951
00:49:19.519 --> 00:49:22.039
school or something that was all specifically excluded. But it's

952
00:49:22.280 --> 00:49:24.239
tempting for me to just say, sure, give me thirty

953
00:49:24.280 --> 00:49:27.079
thousand dollars. So that's of course, that goes on.

954
00:49:27.239 --> 00:49:29.360
All the time. Yeah, And in a lot of this

955
00:49:29.679 --> 00:49:32.840
programs like that are just strictly vote buying. Schemes, so

956
00:49:33.840 --> 00:49:35.159
expansions and welfare, any of that.

957
00:49:35.599 --> 00:49:37.199
And by the way, we do this on the right too,

958
00:49:37.280 --> 00:49:39.719
we do it more with subsidies to the actual taxpayer,

959
00:49:39.760 --> 00:49:42.360
which is a little better. But like Trump, for example,

960
00:49:42.679 --> 00:49:45.360
he's proposing he put a tariff policy in place, a

961
00:49:45.400 --> 00:49:46.880
good tariff policy, but it's tough.

962
00:49:46.760 --> 00:49:47.320
For the country.

963
00:49:47.679 --> 00:49:49.400
So what he's saying is, I'm gonna write everyone a

964
00:49:49.440 --> 00:49:51.559
two thousand dollars check, and I was talking about taking

965
00:49:51.559 --> 00:49:53.920
that up to three thousand to cover the cost of

966
00:49:54.000 --> 00:49:56.199
the tariffs. But the whole thing is, the tariffs are

967
00:49:56.239 --> 00:49:59.239
supposed to be a tough money making policy that had costs.

968
00:50:00.000 --> 00:50:01.639
If you're taking the money you make from that, you're

969
00:50:01.639 --> 00:50:03.519
writing everyone at three thousand dollars check, and now we're

970
00:50:03.519 --> 00:50:06.000
broke again. And again they're three hundred million Americans, So

971
00:50:06.079 --> 00:50:08.480
everybody does this. It's you know, nobody wants to just

972
00:50:08.559 --> 00:50:11.079
look at their wallet and find crumbs and moths.

973
00:50:11.400 --> 00:50:15.000
Right exactly. And that's why people, Yeah, no, it is

974
00:50:15.440 --> 00:50:19.840
and and because again you know, it's free. And of course,

975
00:50:20.280 --> 00:50:21.960
you know, thank god, I mean, we got a president

976
00:50:22.039 --> 00:50:24.760
at least thinking about the American people. Uh, you know,

977
00:50:24.880 --> 00:50:27.559
but I think you know, at least. What I'm hearing

978
00:50:27.679 --> 00:50:30.760
is people would much rather have that money go toward

979
00:50:30.840 --> 00:50:33.000
the debt, you know, pay down the debt. Don't give

980
00:50:33.039 --> 00:50:36.119
it to me, just take care of the debt. And

981
00:50:36.960 --> 00:50:39.360
that would that would I think be more more helpful.

982
00:50:39.639 --> 00:50:42.440
But I to me, I'm a terror I've been pro teriff.

983
00:50:42.519 --> 00:50:44.480
I think that we needed to level the playing field.

984
00:50:44.800 --> 00:50:47.599
For a long time America has been taking advantage of.

985
00:50:47.719 --> 00:50:49.760
But that's a whole nother deal. I wanted to go

986
00:50:49.880 --> 00:50:51.880
back and address because I got these figures. Now that

987
00:50:52.599 --> 00:50:55.119
you know, with the Trump administration announcing that food stamp

988
00:50:55.199 --> 00:50:59.159
benefits will not be automatically renewed, they say all food

989
00:50:59.199 --> 00:51:02.800
stamp recipient will have to reapply for their benefits. And

990
00:51:03.119 --> 00:51:07.679
brook Rawlins, the Secretary of Agriculture, she did a deep

991
00:51:07.760 --> 00:51:09.480
down on this, you know, told all the states, hey,

992
00:51:09.519 --> 00:51:13.559
look at we need a report on your food stamp program.

993
00:51:14.360 --> 00:51:17.519
Of course, the only there was twenty nine states, all

994
00:51:17.679 --> 00:51:21.440
red state, mostly Red states responded. They complied with her request.

995
00:51:22.039 --> 00:51:24.639
What she found and this is again just red states

996
00:51:24.719 --> 00:51:27.920
only in twenty nine not the entire universe. More than

997
00:51:27.960 --> 00:51:31.599
one hundred and eighty thousand dead people are getting food

998
00:51:31.639 --> 00:51:37.079
stamps five hundred thousand people are getting paid twice and

999
00:51:37.280 --> 00:51:39.920
this is mostly Red states. This is not counting the

1000
00:51:39.960 --> 00:51:42.719
Blue states. So you got to know these Democratic run

1001
00:51:42.880 --> 00:51:45.199
on plates, the numbers are just going to be through

1002
00:51:45.280 --> 00:51:47.679
the roof if she's able to get the numbers, and

1003
00:51:47.719 --> 00:51:49.320
of course they're not about to cooperate.

1004
00:51:51.360 --> 00:51:52.920
Yeah, I'm not surprised by that at all.

1005
00:51:53.000 --> 00:51:54.679
I mean, again, I would note I would say that's

1006
00:51:54.719 --> 00:51:56.880
going to go over a million with the Democratic enclaves.

1007
00:51:56.880 --> 00:51:59.960
Again, that doesn't actually so that's a you're going to get.

1008
00:51:59.840 --> 00:52:03.239
To maybe a five percent rate of current ongoing fraud.

1009
00:52:03.360 --> 00:52:04.760
We wouldn't tolerate that in business.

1010
00:52:04.880 --> 00:52:06.559
That's not all that. That's what you're about, what you'd

1011
00:52:06.599 --> 00:52:10.000
expect from government. It's it's there.

1012
00:52:10.199 --> 00:52:15.000
It's problematic, basic things like what Trump is suggesting will

1013
00:52:15.559 --> 00:52:17.559
do a lot. What you're going to get again with this,

1014
00:52:17.760 --> 00:52:20.559
I will say, is a bunch of bleeding claims of

1015
00:52:20.760 --> 00:52:23.440
racism to prevent the most obvious thing. So yeah, if

1016
00:52:23.440 --> 00:52:25.559
you get a benefit from the government, I absolutely agree

1017
00:52:25.599 --> 00:52:27.039
you should have to apply for that every year.

1018
00:52:27.360 --> 00:52:29.519
And I don't want it to be a humiliating.

1019
00:52:29.000 --> 00:52:31.360
Process, but you should have to say, like, yeah, I'm poor, yeah,

1020
00:52:31.400 --> 00:52:33.719
I recognize that this is charity, Like, yes, this is

1021
00:52:33.760 --> 00:52:35.519
how I'm trying to apply for a job. Absolutely, you

1022
00:52:35.519 --> 00:52:37.639
should have to do that. I don't have a problem

1023
00:52:37.719 --> 00:52:40.400
with if you got welfare back in the day. I

1024
00:52:40.480 --> 00:52:42.280
mean it was a box called welfare and the food

1025
00:52:42.360 --> 00:52:45.400
is pretty good actually like government chase, but a lot

1026
00:52:45.440 --> 00:52:46.559
of this was shipped to you.

1027
00:52:47.599 --> 00:52:48.320
You had to cook it.

1028
00:52:48.480 --> 00:52:51.199
I mean, like, there are different ways you can operationalize

1029
00:52:51.239 --> 00:52:53.480
these processes. I think you should have to apply. I

1030
00:52:53.559 --> 00:52:55.679
don't have a problem with drug testing. I think there

1031
00:52:55.719 --> 00:52:57.960
should be various things you have to do that make

1032
00:52:58.039 --> 00:53:01.199
you an active participant in getting this from the state.

1033
00:53:01.840 --> 00:53:04.559
And well there they're even they're even they will even

1034
00:53:04.679 --> 00:53:07.159
uber it to you now will Yeah.

1035
00:53:06.960 --> 00:53:07.800
I'm not surprised by that.

1036
00:53:07.920 --> 00:53:11.920
The the idea in the welfare system in recent decades

1037
00:53:12.000 --> 00:53:16.519
has been kind of compassionate, non stigmatization, that's my term.

1038
00:53:17.039 --> 00:53:17.920
But the idea is that.

1039
00:53:18.760 --> 00:53:20.840
Yeah, but the idea is that you should just feel

1040
00:53:21.039 --> 00:53:24.599
like everybody else. So you don't have the stamps anymore.

1041
00:53:24.599 --> 00:53:26.800
As you probably know, in the food stamp program, what

1042
00:53:26.960 --> 00:53:29.880
you have is the link card of the Louisiana purchase Card,

1043
00:53:29.880 --> 00:53:32.360
which looks like a high end credit card. It looks

1044
00:53:32.440 --> 00:53:34.360
like a better AMX than I have. Actually it's a

1045
00:53:34.440 --> 00:53:37.119
platinum in Kentucky. It's you know, you're taking to the store.

1046
00:53:37.199 --> 00:53:39.800
You put it in, and the idea there is it

1047
00:53:39.920 --> 00:53:41.840
just looks like you're someone with a platinum m X

1048
00:53:41.920 --> 00:53:45.159
card that's buying that cart full of steaks. You get

1049
00:53:45.519 --> 00:53:49.039
why that is, But there also is a basic level,

1050
00:53:49.239 --> 00:53:51.679
which if you're on welfare, you maybe shouldn't have a

1051
00:53:51.719 --> 00:53:53.840
platinum card and be buying a cart full of steaks.

1052
00:53:54.239 --> 00:53:57.920
I'm a pretty compassionate leader. I have no blease obliege.

1053
00:53:57.920 --> 00:54:00.400
A friend once told me. But let's let's find middle

1054
00:54:00.480 --> 00:54:04.639
ground where Okay, you don't necessarily just have to go

1055
00:54:04.760 --> 00:54:07.360
in with a handful of George Washington's like you used to.

1056
00:54:07.599 --> 00:54:10.639
But you are definitely they're they're doing a blood test.

1057
00:54:10.800 --> 00:54:13.159
You know, you're you're aware this is something we're doing

1058
00:54:13.239 --> 00:54:15.360
for you. Maybe you gotta work twenty hours a week.

1059
00:54:15.679 --> 00:54:19.000
There should be things tied into me giving you my money,

1060
00:54:19.320 --> 00:54:21.920
and we also should regulate how much of my money

1061
00:54:22.039 --> 00:54:25.320
I'm giving you, because again, we can't have fifty million

1062
00:54:25.360 --> 00:54:29.119
people on welfare, seventy million people on social security, twenty

1063
00:54:29.159 --> 00:54:31.320
million people in government housing. These are all real figures.

1064
00:54:31.360 --> 00:54:33.480
By the way, you can check EBT for forty million

1065
00:54:33.519 --> 00:54:37.079
on up. Because at some point you do run out

1066
00:54:37.119 --> 00:54:39.519
of people that can pay the bills and that becomes

1067
00:54:39.559 --> 00:54:40.320
a problem.

1068
00:54:40.679 --> 00:54:43.239
Right exactly, Well in New York is finding that out

1069
00:54:43.320 --> 00:54:46.599
because all the wealthy people are leaving Dodge and so

1070
00:54:47.119 --> 00:54:50.360
Mamdani's gonna be there looking for money and there's nobody

1071
00:54:50.440 --> 00:54:53.880
to tax except the pole people, hope people.

1072
00:54:53.920 --> 00:54:55.920
I mean, so this gets it. First of all, there's

1073
00:54:55.960 --> 00:54:56.679
a great rush.

1074
00:54:56.480 --> 00:54:58.960
Limbog essay called Tax the Poor where he says, like,

1075
00:54:59.079 --> 00:55:00.960
you to be poor in States means you're making like

1076
00:55:01.000 --> 00:55:02.519
thirty nine thousand dollars a year. So I don't have

1077
00:55:02.519 --> 00:55:04.159
a problem with the ten percent tax on the poor.

1078
00:55:04.599 --> 00:55:06.239
And I mean I do notice it as a college man,

1079
00:55:06.239 --> 00:55:08.239
when I was doing things like working construction, they managed

1080
00:55:08.239 --> 00:55:09.039
to take some of my money.

1081
00:55:09.079 --> 00:55:11.960
They're all kind of sales taxes, you know, pay yearll taxes.

1082
00:55:12.159 --> 00:55:13.559
So I mean, I don't I don't have an issue

1083
00:55:13.599 --> 00:55:13.760
with that.

1084
00:55:14.119 --> 00:55:17.239
But I think that there's an there's an idea among

1085
00:55:17.400 --> 00:55:20.519
kind of young socialists they're just getting into socialists that

1086
00:55:20.760 --> 00:55:24.440
you actually can pay for a system of the kind

1087
00:55:24.480 --> 00:55:28.079
they have in mind with you know, twice the welfare

1088
00:55:28.159 --> 00:55:31.280
system we have just by taxing rich people. And that's

1089
00:55:31.360 --> 00:55:33.760
not the case, and it's worth explaining why that is.

1090
00:55:33.800 --> 00:55:35.719
And you already know it, the capitalist and your audience

1091
00:55:35.719 --> 00:55:39.599
already know it. But if you are like my level

1092
00:55:39.639 --> 00:55:42.000
of income on up, which isn't all that high, you're

1093
00:55:42.079 --> 00:55:45.119
already paying forty percent of your income and taxes. There's

1094
00:55:45.159 --> 00:55:49.199
not that much more you can take. And you also

1095
00:55:49.280 --> 00:55:52.679
get into wealth versus income, so wealth tends to be illiquid.

1096
00:55:53.280 --> 00:55:55.840
Like when people say Elon Musk makes a trillion dollars

1097
00:55:55.880 --> 00:55:58.280
a year, no he doesn't. Elon Musk is worth about

1098
00:55:58.360 --> 00:56:00.519
half of a trillion dollars. I actually follow Elon Musk

1099
00:56:00.599 --> 00:56:03.079
on Twitter and I once asked him the inevitable question,

1100
00:56:03.199 --> 00:56:03.679
like how much.

1101
00:56:03.559 --> 00:56:05.360
You're actually worth? And though he's not going to tell

1102
00:56:05.440 --> 00:56:07.599
you like line by line or your presumptuous kid.

1103
00:56:07.920 --> 00:56:10.599
But it's something like, I mean, you did, it's like

1104
00:56:10.639 --> 00:56:13.599
two or three billion, like you, most of the money

1105
00:56:13.679 --> 00:56:18.320
Elon Musk has is stock in Tesla. So if Elon

1106
00:56:18.440 --> 00:56:20.360
Musk and when you say he's worth five hundred billion,

1107
00:56:20.440 --> 00:56:23.360
that's because four hundred thousand shares of Tesla.

1108
00:56:23.119 --> 00:56:24.800
Or whatever it might be, is worth that amount.

1109
00:56:25.199 --> 00:56:28.360
If Elon Musk were suddenly to unload three hundred shares

1110
00:56:28.360 --> 00:56:30.440
of Tree hundred thousand shares of Tesla, the entire market

1111
00:56:30.559 --> 00:56:34.519
craters and he's suddenly worth ninety billion, which is still quite.

1112
00:56:34.400 --> 00:56:35.440
A lot, but not the same.

1113
00:56:36.239 --> 00:56:39.360
So when you tax Elon Musk, what you're taxing is

1114
00:56:39.519 --> 00:56:42.599
one point two billion earned in the last year. There's

1115
00:56:42.719 --> 00:56:45.760
no way to go after the one hundred billionaires in

1116
00:56:45.840 --> 00:56:48.119
New York City, each of whom made twenty four million

1117
00:56:48.239 --> 00:56:51.159
last year, and actually obtain the type of moneies that

1118
00:56:51.239 --> 00:56:53.480
you need to run New York City. That city is

1119
00:56:53.519 --> 00:56:57.519
actually running based on sales taxes, payroll taxes, state taxes,

1120
00:56:57.920 --> 00:57:00.639
some he's from businesses, all kinds of other things, tariffs

1121
00:57:00.639 --> 00:57:03.480
at the port. And if you don't understand how that works,

1122
00:57:03.920 --> 00:57:05.400
you're not going to be able to run that city.

1123
00:57:05.440 --> 00:57:07.639
And I don't think mom Donnie understands how that works.

1124
00:57:07.639 --> 00:57:09.360
I don't think Mom Donni's had a job before this

1125
00:57:09.480 --> 00:57:09.960
other than.

1126
00:57:11.360 --> 00:57:13.159
I don't think. So this is going to be a

1127
00:57:13.199 --> 00:57:17.000
real study in political science. Will I'm telling you anyway,

1128
00:57:17.000 --> 00:57:18.840
we got to leave it there for now. He's the

1129
00:57:18.880 --> 00:57:22.119
professor of Political Science at Kentucky State University and author

1130
00:57:22.400 --> 00:57:24.880
doctor Wilford Riley. Thank you will take care be well.

1131
00:57:25.440 --> 00:57:28.280
Thanks Bill, thanks for having me on always good tugingy always.

1132
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1153
00:58:41.000 --> 00:58:43.039
Thank good morning, Welcome six minutes after the top of

1154
00:58:43.039 --> 00:58:45.119
the hour. Right now, Bill Martinez here with Mike O'Neil

1155
00:58:45.199 --> 00:58:46.159
from Landmark Legal.

1156
00:58:46.280 --> 00:58:47.840
Hey, Mike, good morning, Good morning, Bill.

1157
00:58:47.920 --> 00:58:48.440
Good to be with you.

1158
00:58:48.880 --> 00:58:51.000
Hey, lots to catch up on. I mean, a lot

1159
00:58:51.039 --> 00:58:54.440
of crazy stuff going on. The Court has decided to

1160
00:58:55.440 --> 00:59:01.039
stop the redistricting proposal that Texas had passed, and they

1161
00:59:01.159 --> 00:59:06.239
said that it's racist, which is, you know, exact opposite.

1162
00:59:06.280 --> 00:59:09.000
I mean, that was their opinion. So nameless to say

1163
00:59:09.079 --> 00:59:11.239
this is going to be fast tracked to the Supreme Court.

1164
00:59:11.320 --> 00:59:13.079
I think, what do you say, Yeah, this is a

1165
00:59:13.159 --> 00:59:15.440
two this is a panel decision, this is this is

1166
00:59:15.599 --> 00:59:18.039
subject to immediate appeal to the US Supreme Court. So

1167
00:59:18.119 --> 00:59:19.880
it looks like Scotus is probably going to get a

1168
00:59:19.920 --> 00:59:23.159
hold of this sooner rather than later. You know, obviously

1169
00:59:23.320 --> 00:59:26.039
time is of the essence because you're talking about implementing

1170
00:59:26.159 --> 00:59:30.440
new congressional districts before the twenty twenty six midterm elections.

1171
00:59:30.639 --> 00:59:32.599
So certainly this is going to be fast tracked by

1172
00:59:32.639 --> 00:59:35.719
the Department of Justice to address this issue. Now it's interesting.

1173
00:59:35.800 --> 00:59:38.519
I mean, just from a national standpoint, you're looking at

1174
00:59:38.559 --> 00:59:41.119
this throughout the country. You're seeing this kind of redistricting

1175
00:59:41.960 --> 00:59:44.360
conflict or wars or battles if you want to have it.

1176
00:59:44.519 --> 00:59:47.360
In California, for example, there was a Proposition fifty which

1177
00:59:47.519 --> 00:59:49.840
was passed, and by the way, there was a lot

1178
00:59:49.960 --> 00:59:52.880
of a lot of questions about the extent to which

1179
00:59:52.920 --> 00:59:56.760
this ballot proposition was enacted. And California has all kinds

1180
00:59:56.800 --> 00:59:59.639
of really really sketchy the best way to say it

1181
00:59:59.760 --> 01:00:02.440
is just kind of sketchy questionable practices in the way

1182
01:00:02.519 --> 01:00:05.679
they conduct their elections. They send mail votes to everybody,

1183
01:00:05.920 --> 01:00:08.559
and they don't really do any kind of due diligence

1184
01:00:08.639 --> 01:00:11.440
and ensuring that people who are sending in these mail

1185
01:00:11.480 --> 01:00:15.159
ballots are eligible voters. There's all kinds of just questionable

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activity that goes on. So there's the questions is whether

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even Proposition fifty was duly enacted in California as an

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open one. That being said, what is California doing there?

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They even said it, They made no bones about the

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fact that they were trying to enact this to strengthen

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Democrat enclaims by maximizing Hispanic voters. So you had the legislature,

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you had the actual people who were backing Section fifty saying, okay,

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we're using race as the determinive factor in how we're

1194
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going to draw these new congressional districts in California. And

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remember California is pretty much, in California on a population levels,

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01:00:51.320 --> 01:00:54.679
about thirty to forty percent Republican, so it's not as

1197
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it's not eighty twenty or ninety.

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And right now they only got nine seats, right.

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Right, exactly, So if you're talking about proportional representation via

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party affiliation, California is already grossly overrepresented for Democrats, and

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this is going to even turn the turn the balance

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even more skewed towards the Democrats. But of course that

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that whole proclamation and that whole process was done on

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the basis of race. Conversely, when you look at Texas

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what it was done, it was done actually to remove

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races as a factor. We had these things in Texas

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where it was called coalition districts where they had formulated

1208
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these districts by by having a majority minority district, but

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not just a single minority, so you'd have twenty five

1210
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percent Hispanic or let's say thirty percent Hispanic twenty eight

1211
01:01:38.400 --> 01:01:41.079
percent or thirty percent African Americans. So you'd have a

1212
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majority minority district, but not a majority of any one

1213
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particular minority. And so Texas was trying to rectify these

1214
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coalition districts that had utilized race on how they were

1215
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forming these coalition districts, and that that that panel overturned it.

1216
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I read some of the opinion yesterday. It's a long opinion.

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The court repeatedly was saying that race was the motivating

1218
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factor here, and I think they kind of turned it

1219
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on their head. For my pressure, it was the motivating

1220
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factor was to remove race as the const well, we

1221
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were considering race in the fact that we were removing

1222
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race as the determinative factor for how these districts were written,

1223
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not we were using it as the motivating factor of

1224
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how these of how we of are action going forward.

1225
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It was looking back and saying race was determinative in

1226
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the past, we need to rectify it going forward. So

1227
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we're going to redistrict along these lines. And so I

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think that the Court's gonna have the Supreme Court is

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going to consider this sooner rather than later, as we

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know it's going to be fast tracked up there. They're

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going to have to see. Remember there's that that pending

1232
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case Louisiana versus Calai, which is section two.

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I was I was going to say, how does that

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square up with this? I mean, because you know, there

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was already indication you know, a couple of just justices

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it had chimed in and saying, hey, this thing needs

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the sunset out.

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Uh.

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We we've been doing this for sixty years. It was

1240
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never an eternity type program. And so now and so

1241
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now the Democrats are not going to let that die easy.

1242
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So they're claiming, well, it's in the Supreme Court a

1243
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race issue. When the Supreme Court, of course this is

1244
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this really puts a lot of spotlight on Louisiana Calais. Yeah,

1245
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great case, right.

1246
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Yeah, absolutely, And of course it's going to be up

1247
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to the court to reconcile these cases. But the operative

1248
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thought that you try to hold in your head when

1249
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you're considering all this, because there's all kinds of moving

1250
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parts in this is what is the what are the fourteenth, fifteenth,

1251
01:03:32.920 --> 01:03:35.760
and sixteenth amendments, What are the ratification amendments? What is

1252
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the purpose? The purpose is to remove race as a

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consideration for these state legislatures when they determine these congressional districts.

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Race cannot be the motivating cannot be the operative factor

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in how you decide how these districts are going to

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be run. And what Section two the Voting Rights Act

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had done was in the past I reconciled like, look,

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African Americans were largely being effectively disenfranchised because they were

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being there their voting power was being diluted by in

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the in the Jim Crow era South. And so to

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rectify that, we had to put in this provision Section

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two of the Voting Rights Act and say, Okay, if

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you're going to dilute the value, if you're going to

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dilute the voting power of African American voters in these

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congressional districts, and you're using race as the motivating factor again,

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you're thinking, hey, race is we're going to we're saying

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we don't want African Americans to have any kind of

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consistent coalition power, then we're going to have to We're

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going to have to put in this provision here is

1270
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that the state legislators can't do this. But again, the

1271
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operative provision here, and I think we've moved on to

1272
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this in twenty twenty five, is that race shouldn't be

1273
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the the operative, motivating, all determinative factor of how you

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ditact congressional districts. Again political, the Supreme Court has already

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said you can use politics. In other words, if you

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want to say, if you're a Republican legislator and you

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want to jerry mander Democrats out of power, then that's

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a political decision and there's no there's no role the

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Court can't come in and stop that. So I think

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you want to look to the motivation the motives of

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the legislature. Is it a political motive which is going

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to be constitutionally permissible. Is it going to be a

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racial motive, which is of course constitutionally impermissible.

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Well, and it's amazing because, like you said, case in

1285
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point where California you've got, you know, roughly forty percent

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of the electorate of voting a Republican and they have

1287
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a very minor representation, you know, by comparison. So and

1288
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and of course that's been following in most of the

1289
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Blue states. Probably some influence you probably could look at

1290
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in some of the red states, but not as dramatic

1291
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as California, right, and maybe Illinois.

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Leads the way, and then well, of course, because they

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have the super majorities of Democrat party, it's a one

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party state and so they're able to effectuate any kind

1295
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of changes they want to change. On the other side

1296
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of that equation, you might look at Texas and say, well,

1297
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if we have the votes there, we're going to do it.

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And the Texas legislature acted pretty quickly. When we're talking

1299
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with all for all intensive is in this case, Virginia

1300
01:06:01.679 --> 01:06:03.360
is another state to talk about. Now we have it,

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we're gonna we re elected a Democrat mayor, a Democrat governor,

1302
01:06:07.079 --> 01:06:11.079
Democratic ag Democrat lieutenant governor. Just in just in a

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couple of weeks ago. There's going to be a majority

1304
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of Democrats in the House, and so I think that

1305
01:06:15.760 --> 01:06:17.679
it's going to be the same sort of thing as California,

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01:06:17.679 --> 01:06:20.119
where they're going to try to jerrymander out, even though Virginia,

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01:06:20.159 --> 01:06:24.400
I would say is probably about forty maybe forty five

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percent Republican now it's it's probably about forty five forty

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01:06:28.119 --> 01:06:31.000
six percent Republican, probably some independence, but they're going to

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try to jerrymander out Virginia representation as well. Uh so

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again we have the we have the jerrymandering wars here,

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and what you want to see is the courts trying

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to be consistent. And I guess it's it's ultimately going

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to fall to Scotus to try to say, look, uh, California,

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what's good in California. You know, what happens in Texas

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via the courts has to happen in California, in Virginia,

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et cetera. So the courts are going to have to

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have a universal application of how they approach these cases.

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And certainly the question the question is what happened in

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in Texas. It's cidently bill the California prop fifties being challenged,

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so that one's going to be subject to judicial review

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as well. Again, I would say to you that that

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there is some significant evidence that race was really a

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motivating factor in these Proposition fifty redistricting efforts in California.

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So I think there's a fair fairly strong case there.

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Hey, we're back with you.

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01:12:15.800 --> 01:12:18.319
Bill Martinez here with Mike O'Neil. He's the assistant general

1420
01:12:18.399 --> 01:12:24.560
counsel at Lendmark Legal. Well, Michael Epstein files. You know

1421
01:12:24.680 --> 01:12:28.000
the Democrats here, they've had their hands on it, Schumer.

1422
01:12:28.439 --> 01:12:31.199
I mean, these guys just drive me nuts the way

1423
01:12:31.239 --> 01:12:35.239
they present this they think. I guess maybe their base

1424
01:12:35.359 --> 01:12:38.800
that they speak to is so ignorant of history that

1425
01:12:39.279 --> 01:12:41.680
they forget that the Democrats were in power all this

1426
01:12:41.840 --> 01:12:45.680
time and had access to these files, didn't want to

1427
01:12:45.720 --> 01:12:49.000
do anything about it. But right now they get some

1428
01:12:49.159 --> 01:12:51.760
support from the mainstream media, even though it's not as

1429
01:12:51.800 --> 01:12:55.640
consequential as it was previously. But nonetheless it's still formidable

1430
01:12:56.159 --> 01:13:01.520
and they just love using This isn't another Hey, let's

1431
01:13:01.920 --> 01:13:05.000
hang h Donald Trump up is the human pinata and

1432
01:13:05.079 --> 01:13:07.600
we're gonna We're gonna beat him with our bets, with

1433
01:13:07.720 --> 01:13:08.960
the Epstein file bets.

1434
01:13:09.159 --> 01:13:11.600
Right, Yeah, this is the one that they hold in

1435
01:13:12.359 --> 01:13:15.359
reserve when they need a breakout a new Let's let's

1436
01:13:15.399 --> 01:13:18.159
revive the scandal so that we could start talking about

1437
01:13:18.199 --> 01:13:22.800
that if necessary. And apparently I guess the House of

1438
01:13:22.880 --> 01:13:26.640
Representatives has voted now to release the files and the

1439
01:13:26.720 --> 01:13:29.840
extent to which that they're going to be redacted to

1440
01:13:29.920 --> 01:13:32.720
protect there's some considerations from a legal perspective.

1441
01:13:32.760 --> 01:13:34.800
Ye, well, and there should there should be, Mike, I mean,

1442
01:13:35.039 --> 01:13:37.720
and the thing was Mike Johnson brought up and said,

1443
01:13:37.760 --> 01:13:41.159
look at you know, we passed it was almost unanimous. Uh,

1444
01:13:41.640 --> 01:13:45.880
but we passed it, but we're really not protecting the victims.

1445
01:13:46.000 --> 01:13:48.279
You have a thousand victims who are saying, hey, no,

1446
01:13:48.520 --> 01:13:51.560
I don't want this information released. I don't want, you know,

1447
01:13:52.239 --> 01:13:55.199
my personal life and decisions I made as a teenager

1448
01:13:55.560 --> 01:13:58.800
to be exposed out there. And uh and it's almost

1449
01:13:58.840 --> 01:14:02.560
the Democrats here, Democrats hashtag women and all this other

1450
01:14:02.640 --> 01:14:05.479
stuff and fairness for women and everything could care less

1451
01:14:05.840 --> 01:14:10.319
because for political reason and whatever advantage they think, or

1452
01:14:10.439 --> 01:14:12.880
maybe that they think, Okay, we're bruising up Trump here.

1453
01:14:12.960 --> 01:14:15.880
We may not win but we're bruising and this is

1454
01:14:16.039 --> 01:14:18.880
all a pounding, kind of a pounding of the ground

1455
01:14:19.479 --> 01:14:20.479
for the midterm, Right.

1456
01:14:21.079 --> 01:14:23.920
Yeah, certainly there's political motivations that play here or that,

1457
01:14:24.560 --> 01:14:27.000
and the extent to which you have to be sensitive

1458
01:14:27.119 --> 01:14:30.479
to the individuals who might be negatively implicated in a

1459
01:14:30.600 --> 01:14:34.640
victim perspective from the release of these files. And I

1460
01:14:34.720 --> 01:14:38.760
think that's that's what some folks hopefully are saying. Look,

1461
01:14:38.800 --> 01:14:42.399
we if we're if this, if these documents again, there's

1462
01:14:42.439 --> 01:14:44.600
I think there's sixty thousand pages have already been released.

1463
01:14:44.640 --> 01:14:47.159
Keep in mind all of this stuff. I can't I

1464
01:14:47.239 --> 01:14:48.760
can't get it over and you talked about it just

1465
01:14:48.800 --> 01:14:51.399
a second ago. I can't set this aside in my brain. Bill.

1466
01:14:51.840 --> 01:14:55.439
If if there was some smoking gun about Donald Trump,

1467
01:14:55.640 --> 01:14:57.680
don't you think they would have released it during the

1468
01:14:57.760 --> 01:15:00.920
Biden administration when they were concocting everything under this soul?

1469
01:15:01.239 --> 01:15:04.520
Go go back, go back to twenty fifteen, Mike, when

1470
01:15:04.600 --> 01:15:09.159
he was running against Hillary Clinton. Here they've got supposedly

1471
01:15:09.319 --> 01:15:12.000
a story of stories with the Epstein files, right and

1472
01:15:12.079 --> 01:15:14.880
all this information, But no, they'd rather go and do

1473
01:15:15.039 --> 01:15:17.680
some opo research and make up a goofy story about

1474
01:15:17.680 --> 01:15:18.279
the Russians.

1475
01:15:18.600 --> 01:15:20.520
Yeah, the only thing I can think of with it

1476
01:15:20.960 --> 01:15:24.159
is and again, the only playing Devil's advocate through it

1477
01:15:24.880 --> 01:15:28.079
is the fact that there are so many Democrats that

1478
01:15:28.159 --> 01:15:31.279
would be negatively implicated through any of the release. It

1479
01:15:31.479 --> 01:15:33.720
wasn't worth you know, they put the kibosh on it.

1480
01:15:33.760 --> 01:15:37.239
I mean, again, this is just strictly hypothetically speaking again

1481
01:15:37.359 --> 01:15:40.399
spitballing it. Maybe Clinton's were saying, look, no, we're too

1482
01:15:40.479 --> 01:15:43.079
exposed with the release of this information, so if we

1483
01:15:43.159 --> 01:15:46.000
releases on Donald Trump, it's also going to bring us down.

1484
01:15:46.279 --> 01:15:48.800
And now at this point, maybe maybe the powers that be,

1485
01:15:49.039 --> 01:15:51.760
the folks who are pushing this say, okay, those are

1486
01:15:51.840 --> 01:15:54.119
old news people. We don't care if it burns. If

1487
01:15:54.159 --> 01:15:55.359
it burns Clinton, if.

1488
01:15:55.279 --> 01:15:59.560
It burns, they're yeah, they're dismantling the Democratic Party right now,

1489
01:16:00.000 --> 01:16:04.279
exactly right there. So this just exacerbates or accelerates the

1490
01:16:05.199 --> 01:16:08.920
deconstruction of the Democratic Party and the young guns of

1491
01:16:09.039 --> 01:16:11.439
the left wing of the Democratic Party can take over.

1492
01:16:12.359 --> 01:16:14.479
Yeah, that's that's the only part I can think about

1493
01:16:14.520 --> 01:16:17.239
with it. But still, I just I can't get around

1494
01:16:17.319 --> 01:16:19.720
the fact that every time there's any kind of you

1495
01:16:19.840 --> 01:16:22.359
actually look into it and you see the relationship that

1496
01:16:22.479 --> 01:16:24.640
he had Donald Trump had with this guy was the

1497
01:16:24.760 --> 01:16:28.000
fact that he identified him. You know, oh wow, he

1498
01:16:28.079 --> 01:16:30.000
signed a letter here, Oh he was in a picture

1499
01:16:30.039 --> 01:16:31.680
with him here. Well, you know, I mean that's one thing.

1500
01:16:31.760 --> 01:16:34.760
But every time anybody talks about Donald Trump's relationship was

1501
01:16:34.800 --> 01:16:36.960
he was distancing himself for this guy. And he found

1502
01:16:36.960 --> 01:16:41.039
out his property right out of the club property. So

1503
01:16:42.000 --> 01:16:44.479
I mean, I think again, you're you're just trying to

1504
01:16:44.640 --> 01:16:49.119
have this story whenever, whenever you need to have you know,

1505
01:16:49.640 --> 01:16:53.000
you need to have excuse me, uh, scandal de jour.

1506
01:16:53.239 --> 01:16:55.000
Let's let's bring this out. Let's get it out, and

1507
01:16:55.079 --> 01:16:55.960
let's start talking about it.

1508
01:16:56.000 --> 01:16:56.119
Now.

1509
01:16:56.199 --> 01:16:59.000
Look, I think I think what happened with Epstein was

1510
01:16:59.359 --> 01:17:02.039
terrible and the victims it's awful what went on with

1511
01:17:02.159 --> 01:17:05.720
this and the fact that systems protected this guy for decades,

1512
01:17:06.399 --> 01:17:09.520
you know, are certainly questions that need to be addressed

1513
01:17:09.640 --> 01:17:12.520
and deep state folks, and however this guy was protected

1514
01:17:12.560 --> 01:17:14.880
and whoever was protecting him, you know, I think that

1515
01:17:15.000 --> 01:17:16.840
needs to be addressed. And the fact that he was

1516
01:17:16.880 --> 01:17:19.119
able to victimize these women for years and years and

1517
01:17:19.199 --> 01:17:21.640
years and nobody did anything about it is a scandal

1518
01:17:21.720 --> 01:17:24.359
and tragedy. The extent to which Donald Trump was implicated

1519
01:17:24.439 --> 01:17:26.319
in this, I don't really think. I don't know if

1520
01:17:26.319 --> 01:17:30.319
there's anything there or there, but so so, but I

1521
01:17:30.359 --> 01:17:32.520
think the extent of which the story is told, it's

1522
01:17:32.560 --> 01:17:35.479
imperative that the victims, sensitivity is shown for the victims

1523
01:17:35.520 --> 01:17:38.039
and the innocent parties who might be implicated, and also

1524
01:17:38.079 --> 01:17:41.039
protect national security interests. If there was certain informants, that

1525
01:17:41.119 --> 01:17:43.439
people were working as informants and that they could be

1526
01:17:43.520 --> 01:17:45.520
their safety could be jeopardized. So you have to go

1527
01:17:45.600 --> 01:17:48.600
about this carefully and diligently and not just willing nilling.

1528
01:17:48.800 --> 01:17:50.680
Yeah, but I but I agree with you. I don't

1529
01:17:50.680 --> 01:17:52.880
think that the Democrats and those that are leading this

1530
01:17:53.039 --> 01:17:56.479
charge really care much about that. They're they're just willing

1531
01:17:56.560 --> 01:17:59.399
to put it all on the bonfire here. And Epstein,

1532
01:17:59.439 --> 01:18:02.560
you know him, I mean, this guy was, as you're

1533
01:18:02.560 --> 01:18:06.279
starting to see, could have been somewhat of a CIA operative,

1534
01:18:06.399 --> 01:18:10.000
somehow connected with the deep state. Uh I you know,

1535
01:18:10.079 --> 01:18:13.560
you see him. He was a member of the Trilateral Commission.

1536
01:18:15.000 --> 01:18:18.000
Uh yeah. It's just so there's just the more the

1537
01:18:18.079 --> 01:18:19.880
more the curtain is pulled back on all of this,

1538
01:18:20.000 --> 01:18:23.840
and more sordid it gets yes and the anybody And

1539
01:18:24.159 --> 01:18:27.560
what always what always bugs me is the extent to

1540
01:18:27.600 --> 01:18:30.600
which all of these powerful people will jump on a

1541
01:18:30.720 --> 01:18:33.439
plane and go somewhere. I mean, this is just this

1542
01:18:33.600 --> 01:18:36.159
is just so separated from reality. My reality is I

1543
01:18:36.239 --> 01:18:38.399
go to work, I walk my dog, I go to

1544
01:18:38.640 --> 01:18:40.399
you know, I go to dinner with my kids, I

1545
01:18:40.479 --> 01:18:42.760
go to the grocery store, I have brunch with my parents,

1546
01:18:42.840 --> 01:18:46.279
I go to church. You know, who gets on a

1547
01:18:46.439 --> 01:18:47.640
private plane.

1548
01:18:47.640 --> 01:18:53.039
And private goes to a private island that is is

1549
01:18:54.039 --> 01:18:55.920
and is the den of iniquity and a bunch of

1550
01:18:56.000 --> 01:18:58.359
young girls. What do you think is going to happen there?

1551
01:18:58.720 --> 01:18:58.880
Right?

1552
01:18:59.399 --> 01:19:03.319
Who lives crazy? This is the separation from you know,

1553
01:19:03.560 --> 01:19:06.119
us regular I guess regular people. I don't know, everyday

1554
01:19:06.159 --> 01:19:08.560
Americans who are just trying to go about living their lives.

1555
01:19:08.920 --> 01:19:12.640
And these this separate class of individuals. Oh yeah, I

1556
01:19:12.680 --> 01:19:14.840
think there's some some sketchy guy that I just met

1557
01:19:14.920 --> 01:19:16.720
last week wants me to go on his plane and

1558
01:19:16.760 --> 01:19:19.560
we're gonna fly to some island in the Caribbean, and

1559
01:19:19.680 --> 01:19:21.760
yeah it's gonna work out. Okay, I've met I've known

1560
01:19:21.800 --> 01:19:24.159
the guy for about five minutes, and yeah, that's true.

1561
01:19:24.199 --> 01:19:25.279
And then everybody does it.

1562
01:19:26.000 --> 01:19:28.920
Who're gonna and you're gonna tell me? People who get

1563
01:19:28.960 --> 01:19:31.840
on that plane they don't know what the prize is

1564
01:19:31.920 --> 01:19:33.039
when they get to the island.

1565
01:19:33.319 --> 01:19:35.960
Yeah, exactly. There's a fundamental rule that I like to

1566
01:19:36.039 --> 01:19:37.439
live by, and I try to impue this with my

1567
01:19:37.520 --> 01:19:40.119
kids and anybody, any folks who come and work at Landmark.

1568
01:19:40.119 --> 01:19:43.560
It's like, there is no such thing as a free lunch. Right,

1569
01:19:43.800 --> 01:19:45.720
there is no such thing as a free lunch. If

1570
01:19:45.760 --> 01:19:48.920
some guy and oh the color the other side, not

1571
01:19:49.000 --> 01:19:52.439
the other side, but with that is is it's if

1572
01:19:52.479 --> 01:19:55.239
it sounds too good to be true, it probably is. Right,

1573
01:19:55.520 --> 01:19:57.479
There's no such thing as a free lunch. And if

1574
01:19:57.520 --> 01:19:59.279
it sounds too good to be true, it probably is.

1575
01:19:59.560 --> 01:20:01.720
Some guys, you just happen to get into some position

1576
01:20:01.760 --> 01:20:04.119
where you have some authority or power, and some guy

1577
01:20:04.199 --> 01:20:06.520
comes out of the woodwork and starts talking to you

1578
01:20:06.840 --> 01:20:09.119
and invite you on his private plane to take you

1579
01:20:09.199 --> 01:20:12.119
to some island. You know what, That's not a good idea.

1580
01:20:12.279 --> 01:20:16.600
Let's just it's who I'm gonna sound like Jerryson. Who

1581
01:20:16.640 --> 01:20:19.199
are these people who live this life? It's certainly so

1582
01:20:19.359 --> 01:20:21.239
born and crazy to me to even think about it.

1583
01:20:21.640 --> 01:20:23.920
But here we are, and the extent to which these

1584
01:20:24.000 --> 01:20:27.000
systems that have protected guys like this are are dismantled

1585
01:20:27.039 --> 01:20:29.920
and exposed. I guess that's something positive to take out, right.

1586
01:20:29.960 --> 01:20:33.279
Well, it will see if they have the stomach and

1587
01:20:33.359 --> 01:20:36.680
I'm talking about the bureaucracy to do something about it, because,

1588
01:20:36.760 --> 01:20:39.800
like you said, this just keeps happening over and over again.

1589
01:20:39.960 --> 01:20:42.479
It gets swept under the carpet, and here we are

1590
01:20:42.720 --> 01:20:45.319
only to have it revisit and come out from underneath

1591
01:20:45.359 --> 01:20:47.199
the carpet and oh, here we are again. You know,

1592
01:20:47.560 --> 01:20:49.720
nothing new, because the fact of the matter is is

1593
01:20:49.760 --> 01:20:53.000
we're all humanoids and we're subject to sin and doing

1594
01:20:53.119 --> 01:20:56.239
stupid things, you know, And that's what we try to

1595
01:20:56.319 --> 01:20:59.239
do is protect people. Just like with you with orientating

1596
01:20:59.319 --> 01:21:02.760
your individual who come into Landmark, you just orientate them

1597
01:21:02.800 --> 01:21:04.720
in such a way to say, hey, here's some guardrails.

1598
01:21:05.039 --> 01:21:07.439
You know, you need to be prepared to avoid it.

1599
01:21:07.680 --> 01:21:09.520
We got a minute left, and one thing that you

1600
01:21:09.640 --> 01:21:13.680
talk about brain bruising this situation where you got democratic senators,

1601
01:21:13.800 --> 01:21:17.399
I think some congressmen as well, proposing an insurrection in

1602
01:21:17.439 --> 01:21:19.359
the military. What is going on here?

1603
01:21:19.920 --> 01:21:20.119
Yeah?

1604
01:21:20.199 --> 01:21:24.479
Again, rampant Donald Trump arrangement syndrome and hatred. I think

1605
01:21:24.560 --> 01:21:28.439
that when you start interfering with the command and control systems,

1606
01:21:28.479 --> 01:21:32.680
that's just very dangerous and somehow encouraging our men and

1607
01:21:32.720 --> 01:21:36.399
women in uniform to some to disobey lawful disobey orders.

1608
01:21:36.439 --> 01:21:37.840
And they're going to say They're going to say, well,

1609
01:21:37.880 --> 01:21:39.760
we're just saying if you if you perceive it as

1610
01:21:39.760 --> 01:21:42.520
an unlawful order, you have a duty to disengage in it. Well,

1611
01:21:42.520 --> 01:21:45.399
I say, well, where is that happening? Really seriously, are

1612
01:21:45.439 --> 01:21:48.199
you talking about what deployment of National Guard to these cities?

1613
01:21:48.279 --> 01:21:50.520
Is that the context we're talking in. Well, those are

1614
01:21:50.560 --> 01:21:54.760
certainly lawful orders, and those are certainly something that's necessary.

1615
01:21:55.079 --> 01:21:56.840
One thing about this is I think I saw that

1616
01:21:57.800 --> 01:22:01.399
the uh kind of a is the mayor of Memphis

1617
01:22:01.479 --> 01:22:04.279
now has taken it to court and saying that in

1618
01:22:04.439 --> 01:22:07.520
defiance of the governor and challenging the deployment of troops

1619
01:22:07.640 --> 01:22:10.119
of National Guard troops to Memphis. So you're seeing the

1620
01:22:10.159 --> 01:22:12.800
mayor challenging this in defiance of a governor. This is

1621
01:22:12.920 --> 01:22:17.159
all very dangerous processes. You shouldn't have elected officials advising

1622
01:22:17.399 --> 01:22:22.800
or stating publicly American military should disobey orders.

1623
01:22:23.079 --> 01:22:26.319
Very really, how is that not an insurrection of something

1624
01:22:26.560 --> 01:22:29.600
exactly exactly? I mean, guess what, you know, your butt

1625
01:22:29.640 --> 01:22:32.399
should be in jail for that. I mean, I get

1626
01:22:32.479 --> 01:22:34.760
free speech and stuff like that, and there's ways in

1627
01:22:34.840 --> 01:22:37.560
which you have that conversation, but you don't go out

1628
01:22:37.720 --> 01:22:41.680
on a TikTok routine and have a bunch of elected

1629
01:22:41.720 --> 01:22:46.720
officials telling the military that they should disobey the chain

1630
01:22:46.800 --> 01:22:49.079
of command. What I mean, what are you kidding me?

1631
01:22:49.680 --> 01:22:49.880
Yeah?

1632
01:22:49.920 --> 01:22:52.720
And they keep in mind, members of Congress take an

1633
01:22:52.800 --> 01:22:55.800
oath to uphold and defend the Constitution of the United States,

1634
01:22:56.039 --> 01:22:58.520
And it's just that strikes me as something that's just

1635
01:22:58.640 --> 01:23:01.399
on the surface and violative of this. You can't go

1636
01:23:01.479 --> 01:23:04.319
out there. How do you reconcile your oath of office

1637
01:23:04.520 --> 01:23:06.680
to on one hand, and then coming back and saying

1638
01:23:06.720 --> 01:23:10.119
that people in the military disobey orders when they're given

1639
01:23:10.159 --> 01:23:12.159
to you. I mean, hopefully that'll just that won't resonate

1640
01:23:12.239 --> 01:23:15.199
with anybody, but to the extent and boldens anybody, that's

1641
01:23:15.239 --> 01:23:16.079
certainly dangerous.

1642
01:23:16.159 --> 01:23:19.239
If you've got to nip it in the butt, you

1643
01:23:19.359 --> 01:23:21.399
really do right away. We got to leave it right

1644
01:23:21.399 --> 01:23:23.800
there until next week he's the Assistant General counsel of

1645
01:23:23.880 --> 01:23:26.520
Landmark Legal. Mike O'Neil, Thank you, Mike, Take care.

1646
01:23:26.800 --> 01:23:28.720
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1647
01:23:29.920 --> 01:23:31.720
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and we've got Michelle Horn joining us. We're going to

1717
01:27:38.640 --> 01:27:41.039
be talking about making a difference from military families this

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hashtag Giving Tuesday. Michelle is a veteran and vice president

1719
01:27:45.760 --> 01:27:49.239
of Communications at Fisher House Foundation, and she's going to

1720
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talk about how we can honor and support service members,

1721
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veterans and their loved ones. Michelle, welcome the show.

1722
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Good to have you with us.

1723
01:27:57.039 --> 01:27:58.800
Thank you so much for having me today.

1724
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Well, hashtag Giving Tuesday. It's celebrated on the Tuesday right

1725
01:28:02.720 --> 01:28:05.520
after Thanksgiving, right, yeah.

1726
01:28:05.439 --> 01:28:07.760
Absolutely, yeah, it's coming up right around the corner. It

1727
01:28:07.960 --> 01:28:11.239
is a day of global giving where people can get

1728
01:28:11.279 --> 01:28:12.880
involved and help their communities.

1729
01:28:13.800 --> 01:28:16.000
Well, and as you say, it's all about giving back,

1730
01:28:16.399 --> 01:28:20.439
and the Fisher House Foundation has taken part and been

1731
01:28:20.520 --> 01:28:23.239
the vanguard of this movement.

1732
01:28:23.399 --> 01:28:26.960
Right, Well, we've definitely taken part of it.

1733
01:28:27.199 --> 01:28:27.359
You know.

1734
01:28:27.680 --> 01:28:31.319
We see this as a wonderful opportunity to encourage people

1735
01:28:31.439 --> 01:28:34.640
to get involved, you know, whether it's a Fisher House

1736
01:28:34.800 --> 01:28:36.600
or really anywhere in their communities.

1737
01:28:37.039 --> 01:28:37.560
It's just so.

1738
01:28:37.640 --> 01:28:41.359
Important for people to take a moment and stand up

1739
01:28:41.439 --> 01:28:44.039
for the people around them, show up for them, and

1740
01:28:44.600 --> 01:28:45.840
do what they can to give back.

1741
01:28:46.840 --> 01:28:49.439
Well, explain, Michelle, if you would, for our audience so

1742
01:28:49.520 --> 01:28:52.159
they understand. You know, we've heard a lot about Fisherhouse,

1743
01:28:52.279 --> 01:28:54.720
especially here on this show, you know, now you and

1744
01:28:54.920 --> 01:28:59.239
Ken before that, and we have really felt, you know,

1745
01:28:59.600 --> 01:29:02.359
a relation relationship and partnership with the Fisher House Foundation.

1746
01:29:03.159 --> 01:29:05.840
Being a former marine and a VET myself and coming

1747
01:29:05.920 --> 01:29:09.279
from a family of vets, you can imagine our heart

1748
01:29:09.399 --> 01:29:14.119
towards vets is very connected. But your organization provides a

1749
01:29:14.159 --> 01:29:18.319
home away from home for military and veteran families during

1750
01:29:18.399 --> 01:29:19.520
times of medical need.

1751
01:29:19.720 --> 01:29:24.479
Right, yeah, absolutely, And as you said, I can imagine.

1752
01:29:24.479 --> 01:29:26.800
I can really imagine because I'm also a veteran and

1753
01:29:26.840 --> 01:29:30.000
I come from a military family, so I do get it.

1754
01:29:30.159 --> 01:29:32.720
And you know, you've seen, just like I have, the

1755
01:29:32.880 --> 01:29:36.199
need out there for military and veteran families. You know,

1756
01:29:36.319 --> 01:29:41.319
there's always medical issues that are happening, and so with

1757
01:29:41.479 --> 01:29:44.359
Fisher House, what we do is we provide a place

1758
01:29:44.439 --> 01:29:47.479
for them to stay free of charge while they're loved

1759
01:29:47.479 --> 01:29:51.800
ones receiving medical care at VA and military hospitals. And

1760
01:29:52.159 --> 01:29:55.199
our network has this year we grew to one hundred houses.

1761
01:29:55.560 --> 01:29:58.399
I know, this is incredible, what a great number. Congratulations,

1762
01:29:58.439 --> 01:30:03.600
that's so awesome. Drid Fisher Houses worldwide now right, yeah,

1763
01:30:03.680 --> 01:30:04.079
and we're.

1764
01:30:04.000 --> 01:30:06.479
Not slowing down. We have a house under construction right

1765
01:30:06.520 --> 01:30:10.079
now in Montrose, New York. We have one under one

1766
01:30:10.119 --> 01:30:13.800
that's going to start construction in December and West Palm Beach,

1767
01:30:14.399 --> 01:30:17.119
and then we also have one in a spring on

1768
01:30:17.319 --> 01:30:21.640
tap for Pittsburgh. So you know the need continues for

1769
01:30:22.279 --> 01:30:23.960
our service members and veterans.

1770
01:30:24.520 --> 01:30:27.159
Well, the foundation itself is offered over twelve and a

1771
01:30:27.239 --> 01:30:30.560
half million days. Now count the number twelve and a

1772
01:30:30.600 --> 01:30:32.920
half million days. There's a lot of impact that Fisher

1773
01:30:32.960 --> 01:30:36.560
House is doing of free lodging, saving families more than

1774
01:30:36.640 --> 01:30:40.880
six hundred and fifty million dollars in housing cost. What

1775
01:30:41.279 --> 01:30:41.800
a blessing.

1776
01:30:43.159 --> 01:30:46.119
Yes, it is, it's incredible. I mean you can imagine

1777
01:30:46.159 --> 01:30:49.800
how expensive hotels are. You know, you go to anywhere,

1778
01:30:50.119 --> 01:30:52.359
there's nowhere in the country where it's cheap to stay

1779
01:30:52.359 --> 01:30:54.439
in a hotel. So if you didn't have this and

1780
01:30:54.520 --> 01:30:56.960
you were trying to, you know, either stay in a

1781
01:30:57.039 --> 01:30:59.479
hotel or if you can't afford it, sleep in your car,

1782
01:30:59.800 --> 01:31:02.319
or you know, kind of hide in the hotel room

1783
01:31:02.359 --> 01:31:04.359
with your loved one. I mean, those are not the

1784
01:31:04.479 --> 01:31:06.840
things that we owe to. That's not the way we

1785
01:31:06.920 --> 01:31:08.880
need to treat our veterans. It's not the way to

1786
01:31:08.960 --> 01:31:12.520
treat their families or service members for that matter. So

1787
01:31:13.039 --> 01:31:14.920
you know, that's where we're able to make a difference.

1788
01:31:15.000 --> 01:31:17.680
We've helped over four hundred and thirty five thousand families

1789
01:31:17.720 --> 01:31:21.439
to date, and like I said, the need isn't stopping,

1790
01:31:21.600 --> 01:31:22.439
so we'll keep going.

1791
01:31:23.039 --> 01:31:25.279
You know, Michelle, when you think about the stories of

1792
01:31:25.720 --> 01:31:29.079
these vets after all that they've done for us to

1793
01:31:29.199 --> 01:31:32.479
secure our freedoms that we enjoy and in many cases

1794
01:31:32.560 --> 01:31:36.840
take for granted. Sadly but regardless. You know, a VET

1795
01:31:37.159 --> 01:31:39.760
takes an oath of office that stays with them till

1796
01:31:39.800 --> 01:31:42.520
the day they die. And to think that they're ever

1797
01:31:42.680 --> 01:31:46.520
in a situation here at home in their own country

1798
01:31:47.000 --> 01:31:51.359
where you know they're hard pressed to find housing or

1799
01:31:51.680 --> 01:31:56.199
you know they're alone, I mean, it's it's heartbreaking, isn't it.

1800
01:31:57.319 --> 01:32:00.399
But it absolutely is. And you know, I've as the

1801
01:32:00.640 --> 01:32:03.399
communications person for the foundation, I get to talk to

1802
01:32:03.520 --> 01:32:09.239
families and I it is, it's an odd day if

1803
01:32:09.279 --> 01:32:12.159
I don't tear up at some point. You know, from

1804
01:32:12.479 --> 01:32:17.960
families dual military families who have a baby early and

1805
01:32:18.039 --> 01:32:20.239
they have that child in the nick. You they're able

1806
01:32:20.279 --> 01:32:22.199
to stay at a Fisher house and be very close

1807
01:32:22.279 --> 01:32:25.399
to that baby and take turns to go stay with

1808
01:32:25.600 --> 01:32:30.199
them all the time. To I've met families who are

1809
01:32:30.520 --> 01:32:33.840
in town so that they can spend those final moments

1810
01:32:33.960 --> 01:32:36.840
with their veteran who's in hospice care. You know, So

1811
01:32:37.199 --> 01:32:39.880
we are here for the life of a military family.

1812
01:32:40.319 --> 01:32:43.960
We're not going to go away our houses are you know, strong.

1813
01:32:45.199 --> 01:32:48.560
You know, brick houses that aren't going anywhere, and we're,

1814
01:32:48.680 --> 01:32:50.960
like I said, we're not going to stop building because

1815
01:32:51.000 --> 01:32:54.720
that need it won't stop either exactly.

1816
01:32:54.880 --> 01:32:56.399
You know, Michelle, you touched on a couple of the

1817
01:32:56.479 --> 01:33:00.159
stories here, but there are many challenges that military ry

1818
01:33:00.239 --> 01:33:03.800
family's face that people may not realize. Can you expand

1819
01:33:03.880 --> 01:33:05.439
on that just a little bit. We got a couple

1820
01:33:05.479 --> 01:33:06.399
of minutes left.

1821
01:33:06.239 --> 01:33:09.960
Here, Go ahead, Yeah, absolutely, So service members you know,

1822
01:33:10.000 --> 01:33:13.439
are still being deployed, they're still training, they're still getting injured,

1823
01:33:13.479 --> 01:33:16.439
and they're still getting ill. So you know, families are

1824
01:33:16.479 --> 01:33:20.079
often far from their homes with without that support of

1825
01:33:20.119 --> 01:33:22.840
their extended family. So that's where Fisher House steps in

1826
01:33:22.960 --> 01:33:25.640
for them. And then for veterans, you know, they're dealing

1827
01:33:25.720 --> 01:33:29.039
with continued care for those visible and invisible wounds of war,

1828
01:33:29.560 --> 01:33:33.039
including post traumatic stress, and they're not always located near

1829
01:33:33.079 --> 01:33:34.960
a via hospital, so if they have to drive a

1830
01:33:35.000 --> 01:33:38.159
long distance to get there, you know, can pose some

1831
01:33:38.239 --> 01:33:42.239
real challenges. So we give them that relief from that

1832
01:33:42.359 --> 01:33:45.279
burden so they can focus on healing well.

1833
01:33:45.359 --> 01:33:47.760
Michelle Horne is the vice president of Communications of the

1834
01:33:47.800 --> 01:33:51.760
Fisher House Foundation, And what a great story. The Fisher

1835
01:33:51.840 --> 01:33:54.479
House has and you know here they are at one

1836
01:33:54.600 --> 01:33:58.560
hundred Fisher Houses now congratulations, and they're not stopping there.

1837
01:33:58.720 --> 01:34:02.359
They're continuing to work with hammers, saws, nails and everything

1838
01:34:02.439 --> 01:34:06.439
it takes to build up more facilities to serve our vets.

1839
01:34:06.560 --> 01:34:10.880
Right absolutely, the need just doesn't stop.

1840
01:34:11.840 --> 01:34:14.800
Well, it doesn't stop. And this is why hashtag Giving

1841
01:34:14.880 --> 01:34:16.479
Tuesday is so important.

1842
01:34:16.079 --> 01:34:21.720
Right Absolutely, it takes everybody in communities coming together and

1843
01:34:21.880 --> 01:34:24.399
Giving Tuesday is a day where even if it's not

1844
01:34:24.560 --> 01:34:27.119
Fisher House, if there's another passion, it's a day to

1845
01:34:27.199 --> 01:34:29.399
stand up and show up for those that are in need.

1846
01:34:29.840 --> 01:34:32.079
But if you choose to donate to Fisher House or

1847
01:34:32.159 --> 01:34:34.479
be a part you can you can really get involved

1848
01:34:34.520 --> 01:34:37.520
in a number of ways. We'd like to say time, talent,

1849
01:34:37.680 --> 01:34:41.439
or treasure. So you know, volunteer out to the local house.

1850
01:34:43.640 --> 01:34:46.239
You know, talent, get out there and do a fundraiser

1851
01:34:46.439 --> 01:34:49.159
or a project. I've heard of people building, you know,

1852
01:34:49.880 --> 01:34:52.840
putting together quilts that get donated to Fisher Houses.

1853
01:34:53.039 --> 01:34:53.199
Wow.

1854
01:34:53.960 --> 01:34:57.399
And then treasure, you know, you can donate money. No

1855
01:34:57.600 --> 01:35:00.359
family ever pays to stay at a Fisher House, but

1856
01:35:00.640 --> 01:35:02.960
ten dollars a night does cover the cost of a

1857
01:35:03.039 --> 01:35:06.479
family staying at a Fisher House, so that even ten

1858
01:35:06.560 --> 01:35:10.600
dollars makes a difference. And this Giving Tuesday, our partner

1859
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eighty four lumber is actually doubling their donation.

1860
01:35:14.920 --> 01:35:17.560
Oh really, wow, that's great. Well, thank you very much.

1861
01:35:18.239 --> 01:35:22.079
That's great news. Yeah exactly, yeah, yeah. Well, we got

1862
01:35:22.159 --> 01:35:24.520
to wrap things up, Michelle, because I know you've got

1863
01:35:24.560 --> 01:35:27.640
another interview to connect with you. So as we do that,

1864
01:35:28.119 --> 01:35:31.479
tell our listeners where they can get involved on hashtag

1865
01:35:31.520 --> 01:35:32.239
Giving Tuesday.

1866
01:35:33.439 --> 01:35:36.319
Fisherhouse dot org. So please go to our website and

1867
01:35:37.439 --> 01:35:40.079
get involved. There's tons of ways on there to make

1868
01:35:40.119 --> 01:35:40.600
a difference.

1869
01:35:41.520 --> 01:35:43.359
Well, Michelle, thank you so much for being with us.

1870
01:35:43.399 --> 01:35:45.119
I appreciate it. Take care, I have a great day.

1871
01:35:46.039 --> 01:35:46.560
Thanks Bill.

1872
01:35:48.359 --> 01:35:52.239
Well, here's your chance to give back on hashtag Giving Tuesday,

1873
01:35:52.319 --> 01:35:56.039
and again our gratitude and appreciation of Fisher House. Also

1874
01:35:56.680 --> 01:36:01.279
Michelle Horn, as she mentioned, she's former armed in twenty

1875
01:36:01.399 --> 01:36:04.960
nineteen after twenty nine after twenty one years. Her last

1876
01:36:05.000 --> 01:36:08.359
assignment was as a spokesperson and press officer for the

1877
01:36:08.439 --> 01:36:11.239
Office of the Secretary Defense at the Pentagon. Before that,

1878
01:36:11.399 --> 01:36:15.439
she managed operations for sixteen radio stations and TV stations

1879
01:36:15.800 --> 01:36:20.560
of American Forces network in Europe and also spent some

1880
01:36:20.760 --> 01:36:24.359
three years as a public officer in the eighty second

1881
01:36:24.479 --> 01:36:28.239
Airborne Division. So you know, our thanks to Michelle for

1882
01:36:28.359 --> 01:36:30.279
coming on and telling us all about it and all

1883
01:36:30.319 --> 01:36:33.720
the great news at the Fisher Houses now sporting some

1884
01:36:34.239 --> 01:36:38.399
one hundred fisher Houses worldwide and morecoming. They've offered over

1885
01:36:38.920 --> 01:36:42.279
twelve point five million days of free lodging, saving families

1886
01:36:42.319 --> 01:36:47.600
more than six hundred fifty million dollars in housing costs alone.

1887
01:36:48.159 --> 01:36:50.640
So you know, for friends of mine who have said,

1888
01:36:50.680 --> 01:36:52.920
you know, Bill, I haven't served in the military, Well,

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Hey, good morning, welcome.

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Back Bill Martinez here, and we've got the infamous, the

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one and only. Yes, I'm talking about the one and only,

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doctor Bunner Cohen. He's a senior policy analyst with the

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Committee for Constructive Tomorrow. Hey, Bonner, how are we doing fine?

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Bill, hope you're doing well, and good morning to all

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our lit.

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We got a freeze going on here. All of a sudden,

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let's see here, all right, let's see are you moving, Eric, kay?

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Are we back?

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Bonner? Yeah, Okay, all of a sudden, we got clipped off.

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Let's let's do let's let's redo this opening here again. Okay,

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just from the top. All right, Hey, good morning, welcome

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back Bill Martinez here along with doctor Bonner Cohen. He

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is the senior policy analyst at the Committee for Constructive Tomorrow.

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Bonnard, good morning, Good morning, Billom I need to be

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here as always.

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Hey, great to have you here. Hey, let's talk about

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a COP update. Hahn lots going on there at the

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COP lots going on.

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None of it good, but that was course completely predictable

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for the uninitiated. COP stands for the Conference of the Parties.

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This is COP thirty, which means it's the thirtieth time

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that representatives from close to two hundred countries have gathered

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in a certain place. This year it's in the rainforest

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of Brazil and to discuss what to do to address

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what they would have us believe is a climate crisis.

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And what they're doing is there in the process and

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this is a long drawn out process of putting together

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a list of midments and be very careful of that

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word that they are going to make to reduce their

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emissions of man made greenhouse gases and move the planet

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toward the utopia of green energy. And the most revealing thing,

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whether too revealing, things that immediately come to mind here.

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First of all, who's not there, not there is Premier

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Chi of China, of course, the Trump of the United States,

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the new Japanese Prime Minister Takachi, as well as anybody

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else who really matters but who did show up and

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was greeted like a rock star, Governor Gavin Newsom of California,

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the man who has single handedly although he did have

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a lot of help from well. Rephrase that, a man

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who's made a bad situation even worse because of the

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cost of electricity in California, because of the cost of

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fuel in California, because of the almost impossibility of building

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anything in California, even including the high speed rail project

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which he favors, which has gotten absolutely nowhere since voters

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approved it in two thousand and eight. So this man

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is the rock star.

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This man is the rock star. The rockstar that you

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don't want to follow me. That's right behind him is

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one big mess, right.

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That's right.

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So if California is the future, and believe me, for

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the vast majority of the delegates gathering in Brazil for

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the conference, they would welcome that because they themselves are

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being part of political elites, whether they're from rich countries

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or poor ones, they're going to be largely protected from

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all of this, whereas the average people, just like the

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average people in CALIFORNI, are the ones who will bear

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the burden, at least in California. They can pack up

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their bags and get out and move to Texas or

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Nevada or Arizona or Florida are some same place. Whereas

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a lot of these people are who are going to

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be saddled with the quote unquote commitments that their betters

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are making to save the planet, They're going to be

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stuck in these countries and they're going to have to

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deal with the consequences.

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Yeah, I mean here it is. We're talking decades here, Bonner,

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at least three decades, trillions upon trillions of dollars invested

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in all this stuff. And what do they have to

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show for it?

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What they have to show for it is energy poverty

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that is continuing to spread throughout not just the poorer countries.

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The countries are sub here in Africa and the Indian subcontinent.

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But energy is becoming scarce in wealthier countries. Energy is

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scarce or at least prohibitively expensive in Britain, in Germany,

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elsewhere in Europe where they have bet the ranch on

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renewable energy, mostly wind, in solar and as somebody who

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lived in Germany for quite a few years, the notion

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of solar power in Germany is a joke because the

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country is so far to the north has poudcover. It's

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even worse in Britain where they actually have solar panels

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in Britain. And what have they found out, Well, the

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price of electricity went through the roof. They are now

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facing energy poverty in their own right, at least in Britain.

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For all the mistakes that they have made. They're taking

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now a long second hard look at nuclear power because

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they need electricity for their economy, and that is electricity

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they are never going to get from wind turbines. And

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never mind that Britain from Scotland all the way down

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to the English Channel is covered with wind turbines and

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also solar panels. They have both failed spectacularly in providing

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reliable and affordable energy, which they'll never be able to do,

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and so they had to do something. So now they're

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taking a long serious look at nuclear power. They're gonna

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have to do the same thing in Germany. So these

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people have already carried out the experiment that the cop

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the UN sponsored Cup people in Brazil want to impose

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on the rest of the world. In other words, followed

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the leader, but the leader has led their countries. Their

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respective countries and to a dead end.

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Well, the bottom line is, okay, we talk about cost

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of energy, but you know the reason we did this

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is supposedly to save the planet. So over the thirty years,

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does it look like we're saving the planet, you know,

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in implementing any of these policies, none, whatever.

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The man made emissions of greenhouse gases have continued to rise,

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driven primarily by China and India, two countries that are

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not about about to make any kind of sacrifices for

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the sake of the planet. When their goals are to

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provide enough electricity to keep their economies buzzing, and that

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means they put CO two more CO two in the air,

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then so be it. So while emissions of greenhouse gases

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continue to rise, so have the prices for electricity and

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transportation fuel. In those countries which have either voluntarily adopted

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these greenhouse gas standards or are having those standards imposed

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on them by the international community. These are the poorer

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countries to bull.

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But they're not putting it. The poorer countries. They are

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not emitting an inordinate amount of emissions because they're just

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they're poor.

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01:49:06.479 --> 01:49:10.399
That's right. Two billion people in the world have no

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electricity whatever in their homes. Yes, what they want to

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do is preempt Aha. If these poorer countries in Africa

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and elsewhere never embrace fossil fuels, then they will never

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contribute to a catastrophic warming of the planet. So they

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would actually have you believe that they're doing these people favors,

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But what they're really doing is keeping them in energy

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poverty from exactly eternity.

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Right, yeah, all across the board. I mean, you think

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about it, what they're doing, this social engineering experiment that

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they're doing on these poor countries, they're just taking advantage

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of these poor people, right.

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That's right. What they do, of course, is they buy

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off the leaders in these countries. Most of them are

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boundlessly corrupt, so they will get some money from you

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and related organizations or what have you. The money will

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probably be put into their pockets, into their offshore bank

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accounts in the Cayman Islands or wherever. But the poor

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devils who live in that country are still being denied

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access to affordable and reliable energy, which would be a

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tremendous contributor to extending their life expectancy exactly, providing them

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a certain level of dignity which they are being denied

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as a result of these policies.

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How unreasonable is it monner to you know, make energy

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affordable for them in such a way to where it

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would not, you know, compromise the environment. Because all this

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stuff is going on a theory, right, I mean, they

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don't really have factual evidence to say, hey, look at

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you know, this is you know, we have some level

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of contribution. And of course we see what's happening with

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China and India. I agree with you on that deal,

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but it just seems to be that we don't really

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have some real solid scientific benchmarks to say, Okay, if

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we bring this country online, this poor country online, it's

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going to have a net effect to the environment.

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Yeah. Remember we in the West, that's mostly Europe, United States.

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And Japan.

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We went through our Industrial Revolution and the various industrial

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revolutions that have followed much sooner. The kinds of factories

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and coal mines and other mines that were built in

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the nineteenth century bear new resemblance to the kinds of

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technologies we have at our disposal today, Technologies which could

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be easily exported to poorer countries of the world, which

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would then allow their populations to kind of skip the dirty.

2139
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Phase of all right, right exactly, our.

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Ancestors went through and then give them the electricity they

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desperately need, which would also I mean for a lot

2142
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of these people, the alternative is a burning dung.

2143
01:52:12.520 --> 01:52:13.560
Okay, yeah, exactly.

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I've been to Bangladesh, driven have been driven through the

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city of Doka, which is Bangladesh's capital, and you take

2146
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a deep breath of fresh air where the air is

2147
01:52:24.880 --> 01:52:28.039
not fresh at all. It's a high heaven because what

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you're really breathing in is the dung that is being

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used to assist these people in cooking their food and

2150
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what have you.

2151
01:52:38.039 --> 01:52:43.520
And how how environmentally deleterious is you know, smoking cow dung?

2152
01:52:44.239 --> 01:52:48.720
Yes exactly. Uh, but no thought is given to this.

2153
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Their only environmental standard that they that they really care

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01:52:53.479 --> 01:52:57.880
about are the so called greenhouse gas emissions derived from

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the burning of man made greenhouse gas emissions derived from

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the burning of fossil fuels and from agricultural practices. The

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other stuff that actually may put very unhealthy stuff into

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the air, a lot of gunk that's not even considered.

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That's that.

2160
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This is entirely so.

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Called climate centric. And if as a result of these policies,

2162
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people stay in poverty or see their landscape and their

2163
01:53:31.720 --> 01:53:38.279
lives ravaged by the exploitation, particularly that China engages in

2164
01:53:38.399 --> 01:53:43.720
when it goes into these countries and starts mining cobalt exactly,

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and other materials that will go into EV batteries. That's

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where you have real environmental degradation along with child labor.

2167
01:53:53.720 --> 01:53:57.920
And everyone at these cop conferences just looks the other

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way when that subject comes up, if it ever does.

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Yeah, there's not much good there, that's for sure, Bonner.

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We got to leave it there to be continued. Thank

2171
01:54:05.079 --> 01:54:07.239
you so much. I appreciate you staying in touch with us.

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He's a senior policy analyst with a Committee for Constructive Tomorrow,

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Doctor Bonner Cohen, Thank you, Bonner, take.

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Care of Thank you, Jordan.

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