Oct. 23, 2025

The Bill Martinez Show 10 23 25

The Bill Martinez Show 10 23 25
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The Bill Martinez Show 10 23 25
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Ill Martinas Live a program about current events, our culture,

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our values, our politics, and our future.

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And now Bill Martinez.

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Well, good morning America. Bill Martinez Here, it's six minutes

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after the top of the arm from Landmark Legal, the

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one and only Mike O'Neill. Hey, Mike, good morning, Good

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morning Bill.

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Good to be with you.

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Hey, always good to be here.

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Hey.

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The gils of the view. Everybody that hates Donald Trump

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upset over the renovations there at the White House. My goodness,

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like that that's never been done, right.

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Uh, that's funny. And they seem to forget the simple

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fact that it's all being privately funded. Right, I think

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it's two hundred First of all, First of all, Donald Trump, everybody,

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even the left, has to concede that the guy knows

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how to build buildings instructions, right, He knows how to do.

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This is something he's done for decades, for years, Chicago,

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New York City's around the world, et cetera, et cetera.

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He knows how to build things, and he likes building things,

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so he decided he's And it's it is funny that

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it really is when you when you're up at the

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White House. And again I haven't been there in years,

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but when you're there, it is, it's small. You're amazed

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about how condensed everything is. You say, well, there's the

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Rose Garden. Oh there's the West Wing. Oh there's the

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East Wing. Oh there's the Blue Room. It's it's just

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all right there. So it's tough physically from an import

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of it, from an imprint. When you're hosting all these

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world leaders and you want to have these events there,

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it's really really tight. It's really tight. And so okay,

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great idea, let's put a new ballroom on it. And

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it's gonna beautiful. I'm sure it'll be nice. Oh privately funded,

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and oh wow, there's gonna be construction. Oh my goodness, construction.

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And of course the left, in their their reflexive anger TDS, insanity,

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every single thing they do, they spend their emotional bandwidth

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getting upset about construction of it's gonna be it's gonna

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be nice. Trust you're just like, Okay, it looks tough

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with the initial construction, but it's gonna be beautiful, privately funded.

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What's the problem, right, yeah, exactly. Well, And and the

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thing is is that even previous presidents were frustrated that

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they didn't have a bigger space in which to entertain in.

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And so this will be part of the legacy of

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Donald Trump and what he will leave there at the

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White House for future presidents to enjoy until they decide

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to do their own renovation. You know, we've had bowling alleys,

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we've had swimming pools, all kinds of things done to

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the White House, and you know, people are just like

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you said, the TDS is running so rampant. I think

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that maybe doctor fauci I ought to come up with

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a vaccine for it.

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Oh goodness, gracious, Yeah, it isn't funny. I think the

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press pool, the press room, the Bradley of the Brady

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press room is over the pool. Incidentally, I think that

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was what the pool. I think the pool. You know,

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it's been concreted over that's where Kennedy obviously was. But

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I think that's the space you're talking about, right that

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they now there's a press room over what the what

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used to be the pool. But yeah, exactly, they're crazy.

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I do think you put your finger on though, Bill,

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is the fact that there's going to be it for

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for years to come. There's going to be the legacy

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that even when a Democrat comes into office, he's going

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to have to say, well, this was constructed during the

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Trump presidency. I think that'll irk them, and that's really

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the nature of their their lunacy on it.

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Yeah, they'll just find a way to not even mention

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it all at all. They'll just say, hey, enjoy your

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dinner here right on with the you know, the capacity,

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the room capacity being expanded so much more than what

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it was before. Well, uh, let's talk about what's going

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on in the courts ninth Circuit.

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Huh.

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We got to know some things cleared up there in

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crazy Portland.

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Wow, well for them for the time being. Okay, So

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what happened here is this is this has been a

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continuing bugaboo for the Trump administration for months now. Is

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is that when you're having the Ice officials, immigration officials

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effectuating their duties and detaining, apprehending and detaining illegal immigrants

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and some of the more more troublesome characters, the narco

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terrorists under the Alien Enemies Act, when they're executing their duties,

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it's it's inspired obviously this antifa instagrationist radical protests and

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in certain cities particularly Portland, in Chicago, et cetera. There's

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the local police departments aren't doing their job to ensure

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that the federal buildings are the areas around the federal

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buildings are secure. Now, of course, it's the federal government's

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per view to ensure that their buildings are secure, but

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the blocks and the neighborhoods and the streets around it,

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that's the jurisdiction of the locality. It's incumbent upon the

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local police department to ensure that these people who are

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exercising their First Amendment rights aren't crossing the line into

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violence and presenting violence and threats of violence, threats to

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federal property, threats, threats to federal personnel. And we know

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the insurrection is the well.

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Not to mention the fact that they're interfering with their

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duties right.

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Right, exactly exactly. There's that there's access, there's blocking access,

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there's ingress, egress, you can't get in and out. There's

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they're throwing things, they're throwing rocks. It's it's it's all.

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It's it's a it's a clear and present danger. It's

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a cognizable threat to the federal facilities, to the federal

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personnel who are trying to execute their duties. And you

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have the institutions in certain cities, particularly again Portland is

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the one that we're talking about here, that aren't interested

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in helping out. And you want to see cooperation amongst

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the law enforcement, federal and state, local ensuring that the

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situation is maintained and order is maintained. Well, I don't

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know if it's the Portland Police Department, or it's the

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higher up, or it's an institutional. They're not doing enough

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to maintain security, operational security around these federal facilities. Well,

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leaving the President with little choice but to activate and

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mobilize National Guard troops under his statutory authority to provide

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that operational security. The breach because you can't sit there

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and allow Antifa insurrectionists who at the blink of an

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eye can turn violent and can destroy and harm federal personnel,

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federal property. So President Trump deploying limited numbers of National

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Guard troops, activating and deploying limited National Guard troops. We're

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talking about two hundred National Guard troops in Portland for example. Well,

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that sends again here we go triggering the TDS. That

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sends the localities, the the politicians into apoplexy, so they

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run to court. They find a sympathetic judge, a federal

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judge who institutes a temporary restraining order, an injunction, saying

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that President Trump cannot deploy these troops, these National Regard troops.

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He doesn't have the statute of authority. There is no

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threat of violence. He hasn't actively demonstrated this.

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There's no threat of violence. Burnings are buildings are being

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burnt down. They're ramming cars into government vehicles. That impeding

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the functional duties that these ice officers have. But there's

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no threat only because the mayor and the governor say so.

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But clearly evidence tells you differently.

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Right exactly, And and you're supposed to in a legal

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analysis of this, the statute and the law says that

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you're supposed to defer to the president's authority in this

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and his factual findings. The President and the Department of Justice,

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Department of Defense, the President decide determined that there's a

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security threat, then there's a security threat. You're you're you're

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to give great difference to him unless it's completely outlandish

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and there's there's no evidence.

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But of course, well, the deal, Well, the deal is.

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I mean, when I listen to Whoopee Goldberg and the

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rest of the ladies of the view, Trump is nuts

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and he's mentally deficient and we just can't trust him.

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So uh, I mean, this is so insane. I mean,

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this was what they want you to believe.

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See.

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But the problem is they put federal officers in jeopardy

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here with all this rhetoric. You know, to your whole point,

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they're contributing to the chaos. I mean, Antifa doesn't even

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need to exist. I mean, just let the local officials

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their own mayors and governors, you know, whether it's Pritsker

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or whoever you know in Illinois, you know, and Brandon

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Johnson and Chicago. I mean, it's just it's just insane.

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But then when you talk to the people directly, Mike,

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there's saying get the National Guard, get this under control.

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This is nuts, right right.

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And the deploy and again, as I said, we're talking

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about two in Portland, for example, about two hundred National

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Guard troops. It's enough to provide operational security so that

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ice the buildings can be secured. That's what we're talking about.

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We're not talking about dropping one hundred and first airborne

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division into the streets of Portland, who, by the way,

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had been deployed in the nineteen fifties regarding schooling desegregation.

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That was in a posse commatas, that's a different satutary regiment.

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But so, of course a lefty judge goes out out

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over their skis outside their authority and joins this appealed

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immediately to the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals three judge panel.

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The Ninth Circuit says, no, No, District Court judge, you're wrong.

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We actually had to rule on this earlier in the

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year with the Newsom versus Trump case, back when the

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deployment of National Guard to La where the Ninth Circuit said,

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and look, everybody says the Ninth Circuits liberal. Let's dispense

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with that myth. They are not as liberal as they

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used to be. They are now a fairly straight, straight

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down the line. I guess you want to call it moderate, middling.

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You're gonna get a fair You're gonna get a fair

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shaken for the Ninth Circuit. It's not something that you're

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gonna have to be concerned about. It's something that you're

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going to get an open and honest dialogue with them.

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Right exactly, Hang hang on a second, we gotta go

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to a quick break. We'll pick it up on the

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other side. More from Mike O'Neal. After this, stay with us.

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We're back with your Mic O'Neil from Landmark Legal continues

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with this as you were saying, Mike, regarding these judgments

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and that the Ninth Circuit has really kind of mended

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their ways, so to speak. I mean, there's been some

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balance because we've got some new judges in there, so

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they balanced it out a little bit. Amazing how that happens, right,

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It's a miracle.

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Not to get down this road. But all all we

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practitioners want is a fair shake.

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We want to be able to understand that we're going

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to have the decision is not going to be made

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before you start filing your briefs or you walk into courtroom.

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You just want to have an honest and open fair shake, objective.

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Fair balls and strikes. Is really is the legal system

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that difficult, Michael. I mean because here you've got you've

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got the US Constitution, You've got laws in play. I

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mean to me, why. Why is it? It just seems that,

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especially in this season, that there's no set boundaries anymore.

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What's I'm missing something?

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Yeah, well, you had, you had think about this. You

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had twelve of the last I mean now we're getting

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into October November, so, but twelve of the last sixteen years,

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give or take of Obama and Biden presidencies, and they

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had they had the opportunity to place a lot of

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district court judges into the federal court system, and to

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a lesser extent, a good amount of appellate judges, but

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a lot of a lot of left leaning liberal judges

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who come from a very activist schools of law. And

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it's not necessarily call balls and strikes. It's do justice,

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quote unquote do justice whatever that means, do justice. So

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it's more of an advocacy outlook worldview rather than a

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objective balls and strikes worldview that US constitutional conservatives proffer

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and push. So you're gonna have, you have that playing

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field you have to deal with. And obviously the left

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knows this, and that's why a lot of these lawsuits

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that we're talking about, we've been talking about for months

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and months, originate from in places like Massachusetts, Washington, DC, California,

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Oregon to a lesser extent, et cetera. But so what

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happened again this one night up to the night's a

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three judge panel. Two of the judges said, okay, you

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know the district court was wrong. Use some fairly strong language,

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admonishing the district court judge saying, hey, we've already decided this.

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We decided this back months ago in California with the

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with the newsomp Trump case. President has a lot of

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authority to do this. He's exercising authority properly. We have

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to give deference to the president. Game over. One judge

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dissented strong language. You saw some of the language were

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talking about the advocacy things that we've been oftentimes seeing

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these sorts of decisions. Interestingly, the presumption is that judge,

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we don't know because it was an unsigned petition, but

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a judge from the Ninth Circuit susponte on their own,

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which means on their own accord, petitioned for a rehearing

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on bank. So wants to have a broader panel. Eleven

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judge panel in the Ninth Circuit rehear this issue. So

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it's not quite dead in the Ninth Circuit. Incidentally, Bill,

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this is important to understand that as this was all occurring,

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a similar case was happening out in Chicago, because you know,

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we talked about Chicago, when these are the same, similar problems,

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similar issues. In that case, you had a district court

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judge did what the District Court judge did int Portland

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rule for the planet's rule for the state, say the

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president doesn't have this authority. The Seventh Circuit, in contraar

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to what the Ninth Circuit did, affirmed that stay. So

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that where whereas you have the Ninth Circuit say, you know,

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we're going to stay at that decision. We're going to

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we're gonna we're gonna remove the injunction. Trump is free

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to deploy the National Guard. In the Seventh Circuit, you

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had the other op. You had the other side of

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the coin. You had the District Court say yep, we're

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going to join this. You have the Seventh Circuit affirm

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that order, say nope, Trump can't deploy these troops. In

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the Seventh Circuit in Chicago, that went right up to

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the Supreme Court. So briefing concluded earlier this week, again

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this is expedited basis. This is on the emergency basis.

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Briefing concluded this week we're on Wednesday. We expect that

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the court will issue an order in that case fairly shortly,

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probably by the end of this week. And the expectation,

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of course, is probably what's going to happen in the

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Ninth Circuit, and you're gonna have a majority of the

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court that's going to say. Yet, Presidents, I don't know, Signence,

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he's exercising that different. He's exercising his authority judiciously. You

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can't threaten federal buildings. If the president needs a mobilized

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National guard, that's his perview to do it right.

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And and what did you miss from the memo in

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California with Newsom v. Trump? Right? You know, here here's

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another reminder. I mean, go back and read the read

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the decision. You know that was made. But they just

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they just can't help themselves. And again, this is what's frustrating.

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I guess about the legal system. You're an attorney. It's

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just got to be it is.

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It's frustrating. But in a lot of ways, there's it's

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funny because you thinks they're moving quickly. For we're talking

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about everything's relative, right, and in the law of things.

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Obviously justice the wheels there's that adage wheels of justice

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turned very slowly. But really in this environment, I certainly

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see the frustration from the from the electorate of people

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saying we put Donald Trump in office with a clear

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mandate to do this stuff, particularly to enforce immigration laws.

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That was obviously one of the main pillars of his

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presidency and his candidacy. And at every turn we're seeing them,

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you know, the left or this apparatus, these institutions trying

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to stop it. But really things are, relatively speaking, things

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are moving quickly. We're nine and a half months, I

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guess nine months, ten months into the presidency, and you're

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seeing a lot of movement. You're seeing these cases again,

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we're talking weeks for the court for the Springport to

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weigh in on this stuff. That's good. So you're going

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to see an affirmation of his authority under the statutory criteria,

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particularly under this under the provision where he wants to

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nationalize the federalized the National Guard and deploy the National Guard.

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And again let's just be very clear on this. These

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are not mega deployments where these National Guard troops are

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are executing search warrants or engaging in arrests or anything

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like that.

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Tanks are rolling down the streets.

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Side rolling down the street. What they're doing. What they're

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doing is providing security so ICE can operate accordingly and

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enforce the gration laws. But that's really where the rubber

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meets the road with this is the fact that you

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have these leftists and these Marxists who don't want to

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enforce immigration laws, have no interest in it, and are

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going to erect every roadblock they can to stop the

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enforcement of it. And that, of course is contract to

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the will of the people and obviously violates the law

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as we're seeing right now.

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Yeah, I mean, and you hear from the left, from

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their very lips, that this is a violation of democracy. Well,

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they themselves are violating democracy. The people voted said this

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is what we want. We want immigration, you know, we

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want our borders secure. We want the immigrants, the illegal

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immigrants invited out of the country, right.

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Right, right, And I think we had you had four

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years of completely open borders, human tragedy of epic proportions.

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How much, how many terrible things have happened over the

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past four years, and going into even the Trump presidency

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because of this utter ineffectualism or unwillingness or gross negligent.

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It's not negligence, obviously, it's beyond that of allowing anybody

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and everybody into the country at will. And it's going

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to take time to clean up. It's going to take

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time to fix it. But you know, you're kind of

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locking down a lot of a lot of the legal

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authority here in the first ten months of the of

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the of the Trump presidency, and you're you're addressing a

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lot of these legal issues under the Alien Enemies Act,

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the authority to enforce immigration laws, what constitutes a due

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process when you're deporting individuals that's getting hashed out again.

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The authority to deploy National Guard that's getting hashed out.

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So these are all good things. Looking forward to to

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moving past them, these legal roadblocks and getting the no.

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You imagine we could really start doing something constructive because

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if Trump is reacting to his number one mandate in

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the Constitution, and that is to you know, defend our

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country national security job one. I mean, you know, you've

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got immigration, illegal immigrs here. You know, as you say,

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thank you very much, Joe Biden, oving up the borders,

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the millions of people, illegals that came in, and how

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many people have died as a result of it. I mean,

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we're talking quality individuals. You know, American citizens have died

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at the hands of illegal immigrants, activist judges who somehow

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think they can do it on their own. Let somebody

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come in and go out, there's no punishment, and here,

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you know, the people are at risk. We've got people

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drug running and Trump says enough of this stuff, and

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we're blowing boats out of the water.

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Right right, that's the next That's going to be another one.

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I wonder. I don't know if it has been filed

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or not. I'm not going to be I wouldn't be

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surprised if somebody tries to file a lawsuit to enjoin

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the president from utilizing the military to from destroying those boats,

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those narco terrorists boats. Again, my my take on this

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is fairly clear is those are that's clear present danger

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to the American people. That's war. Those guys who are

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running drugs into the country, fentanyl into the country via

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international waters, are no different than al Qaeda bringing in bombs,

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right exactly, So if you're running, if you're if you're

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exercising a drug running operation where you're trying to infiltrate

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the American coastline. You know, I think we're the President

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is well within his constitutional authority to utilize the military

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to interdict those guys and blow them out of the water.

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So well, I tell you, for the parents who have

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lost loved ones, uh, you know, at the hands of fentanyl,

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what one hundred thousand a year? Yeah, exactly, I mean

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that that's just incredible.

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And what are they doing.

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They're killing our youngest people, They're killing some of our

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best people in this whole process.

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So walk through the streets. I walk through the streets

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of the Kensington and Philadelphia and areas of these open

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air drug corridors, and it's absolutely human tragedy. Yeah, and

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allowing everything should be done to prevent the importation of

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this poison into our country. Again, these are weapons of

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mass destruction, right, How could we say that sentanyl is

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not a way up in a mass destruction? In my mind,

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it's no different than trying to smuggle in a nuke.

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It kills certainly kills a lot more Americans every year

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than the nuclear bombs ever done. Are dirty bombs ever done?

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So if al Qaeda were or Isis were trying to

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smuggle in a dirty bomb through the Caribbean, and they

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had a ship and they were bringing it into the country,

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and hey, the military interdicted that. Would you want them

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to blow it up? Or would you want them to say, oh, no,

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they have due process rights. Let's arrest them and put

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them in a prison. No, we want them to blow

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them up. In my mind, blow them up. I don't

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understand why we have to deal to debate this, And

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of course you have some of the libertarian constitutionalists on

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my side who disagree with me. But I look at

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the damage that's been done and we need to take

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effective action. And God bless the Truman administration for finally

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doing it.

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Aymen's Assistant General counsel at Landmark Legal, Mike O'Neil, Thank you, Mike,

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Welcome back to America, Bill Martinez here.

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Good to have you with us.

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It's also good to have I have my good friend,

555
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doctor Wilfrid Riley, the professor of political science at Kentucky

556
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State University and the author of Taboo, Ten Facts you

557
00:29:06.160 --> 00:29:08.920
Can't Talk About and Lies my liberal teacher taught me.

558
00:29:09.759 --> 00:29:11.480
Is there such a thing? I mean, my liberal teacher

559
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would never lie to me, would they.

560
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It's difficult to believe, but unfortunately, yes, it is a possibility. Bill,

561
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It is a possibility.

562
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Yeah, welcome to the real world, mister Bill. It does happen. Hey,

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I'm curious to get your read on No King's Day.

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You know, blessed the hearts of these people that forgot

565
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that we took care of the king problem back in

566
00:29:36.200 --> 00:29:37.559
what seventeen seventy six.

567
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Yeah, I mean, I think people were kind of even

568
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on the right where hassling Trump a little bit for

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his response to this, But I thought it was actually

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pretty funny. I mean, members of the administration Trump, Stephen

571
00:29:49.119 --> 00:29:50.759
Miller were saying things like, you know, a number of

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kings at the start of no King's day zero, number

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of kings at the end of no King's day zero.

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I mean the basic part is the hero you know that.

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I mean, peop you're at that's supposed to be. It's

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like safe at home or what have. It's supposed to

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be like some evil symbol of white super like. This

578
00:30:06.480 --> 00:30:09.960
is something that was fairly easy to mock. And I

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have no problem with citizens, even members of the opposition

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political party, going out peacefully protesting. You have an absolute

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right to take your constitution down to the courthouse square

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and scream and yell and dresses Alexander Hamilton. I mean

583
00:30:22.240 --> 00:30:24.799
we saw that with the Tea Party, We've seen that

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with black African American civil rights whatever. In practical terms,

585
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I don't see the point of no kings. You know,

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Trump has behaved as a confident Republican president, but he's.

587
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Not a king.

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You know, there have been in the Senate, there's been

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a refusal even to overturn the filibuster.

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We're not seeing king like behavior.

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All of these people that dislike a Khaki president of

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the opposition party would be absolutely fine with the Khaki

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president their own party, you know, Big Bill Clinton came back.

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And yeah, they didn't have a problem with Obama. Yeah

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00:30:52.880 --> 00:30:56.720
didn't you know? And actually Obama acted like a king

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when if you remember during the shutdown that he closed

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all the national parks and the National Mall. Trump didn't

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00:31:03.680 --> 00:31:05.400
do that. If you close the National Mall, you can

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add your you know, your protests there in DC, could you.

600
00:31:09.759 --> 00:31:12.319
Well, yeah, it's hard to come because the media leans

601
00:31:12.400 --> 00:31:14.599
ninety three percent to the political left. And that's not

602
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just a factoid we throw out to work the rest.

603
00:31:16.799 --> 00:31:17.640
It's an actual fact.

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That's p. Two thousand and four. It's been replicated.

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00:31:20.200 --> 00:31:23.720
It's hard to actually compare presidents like that's an actual

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side effect of the almost corruption of most of the.

607
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Media and much of academia.

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So I mean it's hard to compare how presidents are

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00:31:32.880 --> 00:31:35.880
actually behaving in a lot of cases. I mean, Barack

610
00:31:35.920 --> 00:31:38.480
Obama famously said, you know, if necessary, I'll govern with

611
00:31:38.480 --> 00:31:40.839
a pen and a phone when he was criticizing the

612
00:31:40.920 --> 00:31:44.039
Republicans and also the crazy you know, forest elves living

613
00:31:44.119 --> 00:31:47.240
in trees live fringe of his own party. So I mean,

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if a Republican did that, I mean, you did hear

615
00:31:49.319 --> 00:31:51.680
hysteria for weeks. So how do you even put that

616
00:31:51.759 --> 00:31:54.039
in context when a Democrat says it and it's just

617
00:31:54.279 --> 00:31:58.599
you know, wood crickets and response, it's it's difficult. Barack

618
00:31:58.640 --> 00:32:01.240
Obama and I don't want to rant a mom in

619
00:32:01.240 --> 00:32:04.319
some ways was an effective liberal leader, so I don't just.

620
00:32:04.240 --> 00:32:05.440
Want to rant about it for an hour.

621
00:32:05.519 --> 00:32:07.440
But I mean he also he's the guy who instituted

622
00:32:07.519 --> 00:32:09.279
drones striking Americans overseas.

623
00:32:09.720 --> 00:32:11.519
You know, there's still videos on telegram and so on.

624
00:32:11.599 --> 00:32:14.759
If people Arab fathers peacefully driving down the road and

625
00:32:15.519 --> 00:32:17.519
rapped or coming from nowhere and blowing up their car.

626
00:32:18.079 --> 00:32:19.920
You know, again, how would that be responded to if

627
00:32:19.920 --> 00:32:20.480
Trump did it?

628
00:32:20.559 --> 00:32:24.480
I mean been massive protests and people dressed as corpses.

629
00:32:24.559 --> 00:32:28.880
You know, it's none of that happened with Barack Obama.

630
00:32:29.079 --> 00:32:31.000
I mean, none of that happened with Big Bill Clinton.

631
00:32:31.559 --> 00:32:36.079
So I don't think the issue is president's behaving beyond

632
00:32:36.119 --> 00:32:38.480
their power level. I think the issue is that a

633
00:32:38.640 --> 00:32:42.160
Republican president who might make changes to government is in power.

634
00:32:42.640 --> 00:32:42.799
You know.

635
00:32:43.000 --> 00:32:45.279
Some other notes on the no Kings protests really quickly.

636
00:32:45.319 --> 00:32:48.920
I mean they also weren't very America Representative. I don't

637
00:32:48.960 --> 00:32:51.880
like people criticizing something by saying it's mostly white, because

638
00:32:51.880 --> 00:32:54.680
the country is if you count Caucasian Hispanic, seventy six

639
00:32:54.680 --> 00:32:55.240
percent white.

640
00:32:55.240 --> 00:32:58.160
It's the European founded country. But like, these protests were

641
00:32:58.160 --> 00:32:58.920
really notable.

642
00:32:59.000 --> 00:33:01.519
Like I'm from Chicago and I was actually born on

643
00:33:01.559 --> 00:33:03.440
the south side of the city, and it's like fifty

644
00:33:03.440 --> 00:33:06.799
to fifty you went protests. I mean it looked like

645
00:33:07.559 --> 00:33:10.319
Mayberry in the nineteen fifties. I mean friends were taking

646
00:33:10.359 --> 00:33:12.880
pictures from there, and it was like it was unbelievable.

647
00:33:12.880 --> 00:33:17.480
I mean it was the average age was about sixty.

648
00:33:17.599 --> 00:33:20.799
People were playing guitars and ukuleles. I mean it was

649
00:33:20.920 --> 00:33:23.519
this was really the last vestige of the hippies, kind

650
00:33:23.519 --> 00:33:26.680
of like exactly tales still long and back but gone

651
00:33:26.759 --> 00:33:31.160
forever on top. I don't think that this is going

652
00:33:31.200 --> 00:33:34.200
to change government today when we're seeing a more like

653
00:33:35.440 --> 00:33:40.880
young roiper guy versus young blue hair guy fight in politics.

654
00:33:41.200 --> 00:33:44.240
Yeah, well, at the end of the day, I guess

655
00:33:44.400 --> 00:33:46.119
I'm just praying we get to that point will where

656
00:33:46.160 --> 00:33:48.640
we say we really want to deal with solutions here.

657
00:33:49.160 --> 00:33:52.480
I mean, forget about your hatred and your tds. Trump

658
00:33:52.599 --> 00:33:56.839
arrangement syndrome because it's just making you crazy and it's

659
00:33:56.920 --> 00:34:00.680
stifling you because we can't have a conversation about things

660
00:34:00.680 --> 00:34:03.279
that really matter. I mean, first of all, we got

661
00:34:03.279 --> 00:34:06.559
a government shutdown. It's been going on for weeks here

662
00:34:07.119 --> 00:34:12.159
and over. What I mean, there was there's an appropriation

663
00:34:12.400 --> 00:34:17.320
process that goes through all the time in government, and

664
00:34:17.679 --> 00:34:20.880
they were going through the appropriation process. They were about

665
00:34:21.039 --> 00:34:24.079
maybe six seven weeks out to where they could finally

666
00:34:24.119 --> 00:34:26.840
get everything all summarized and present it to Congress so

667
00:34:26.880 --> 00:34:29.320
they could vote on it. Right, all of a sudden,

668
00:34:29.400 --> 00:34:32.760
the Democrats decide, oh, this is an opportunity for us

669
00:34:32.840 --> 00:34:35.519
to pitch a fit. And so they're pitching a fit

670
00:34:36.159 --> 00:34:38.639
and thinking, Okay, we're going to really hang this on

671
00:34:38.679 --> 00:34:41.239
the Republicans because it's going to have a big effect

672
00:34:41.320 --> 00:34:46.519
on the midterms. But it really makes them look like idiots.

673
00:34:48.480 --> 00:34:49.840
Yeah, I mean, there are a couple of things about

674
00:34:49.840 --> 00:34:52.599
the shutdown. One thing I would say, if you are,

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00:34:52.800 --> 00:34:54.960
like both me and Bill for the audience, kind of

676
00:34:55.000 --> 00:34:57.320
an upper middle class American, you worked hard, you made

677
00:34:57.360 --> 00:35:00.239
some money, ask yourself how this has affected you in

678
00:35:00.320 --> 00:35:02.239
terms of whether you should be paying all these taxes

679
00:35:02.239 --> 00:35:04.719
because I mean, I rely on the Kentucky government for

680
00:35:04.760 --> 00:35:07.639
a lot of roads. But in terms of the national government,

681
00:35:07.960 --> 00:35:10.119
I haven't really noticed anything. I mean, if my social

682
00:35:10.119 --> 00:35:12.280
security might have been affected in twenty years or something

683
00:35:12.280 --> 00:35:15.039
like that, but I think most of us haven't seen

684
00:35:15.039 --> 00:35:17.320
anything happen unless you're planning a big vacation and then

685
00:35:17.360 --> 00:35:20.000
you might notice TSA, you might notice the park you're

686
00:35:20.000 --> 00:35:22.840
going to has half as many guards or something. So

687
00:35:22.880 --> 00:35:25.000
the first thing is the government should probably do this

688
00:35:25.119 --> 00:35:27.679
less often because people might start wondering, what are we

689
00:35:28.000 --> 00:35:31.119
funding the government at this level? For do we really

690
00:35:31.119 --> 00:35:34.159
need to send this much money to Somalia? Or even

691
00:35:34.159 --> 00:35:36.239
though I support Israel to help in Israel and the

692
00:35:36.280 --> 00:35:38.719
Arab countries knock each other around, I mean, what's the

693
00:35:38.960 --> 00:35:42.159
budget here? Where's it going? We'll keep a big military

694
00:35:42.199 --> 00:35:45.320
and cut the rest of this. But also too, I mean, yeah,

695
00:35:45.480 --> 00:35:48.199
there's a kabooki theater aspect to this kind of these

696
00:35:48.199 --> 00:35:51.239
sort of antics within the government. What they could do

697
00:35:51.360 --> 00:35:54.079
right now pretty easily, and I know this professionally, is

698
00:35:54.079 --> 00:35:57.960
past what's called a CAR, a continuing Appropriations resolution, which

699
00:35:57.960 --> 00:36:00.480
would simply fund the government at the past year level,

700
00:36:00.559 --> 00:36:04.159
and in the infighting. They can do this at any point.

701
00:36:04.239 --> 00:36:06.000
If you've talked to a staff around the Hill, and

702
00:36:06.039 --> 00:36:08.320
both of us probably have, they could have done this.

703
00:36:08.360 --> 00:36:10.599
So a week ago, they're going to do this in

704
00:36:10.639 --> 00:36:14.719
two weeks. So the whole thing is just they're making

705
00:36:14.800 --> 00:36:17.559
this point of you know, the other guys are holding

706
00:36:17.599 --> 00:36:21.000
it up. The bad, bad Republicans are so bad that

707
00:36:21.039 --> 00:36:23.480
we're not We're not even comfortable doing that because then

708
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the bad Republicans will be able to govern.

709
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It's there's not really a point.

710
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I don't see what the Democrats are negotiating for, and

711
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that could be just I haven't read the Times or

712
00:36:32.239 --> 00:36:34.039
you know, the news on our side enough, but.

713
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I don't think they have a goal. I don't really

714
00:36:37.719 --> 00:36:38.599
what they want to do.

715
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Because Chuck Schumer got beat up for approving the big

716
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beautiful bill, okay, and they're I mean, you know, they're

717
00:36:46.679 --> 00:36:50.719
talking AOC's primarying him and all kinds of other threats,

718
00:36:51.239 --> 00:36:56.039
and so he's politically he's freaking out, and so he's

719
00:36:56.159 --> 00:36:59.199
in order to kind of save face, he's decided, Okay,

720
00:36:59.239 --> 00:37:01.880
he's going to beat this drum beat and close the

721
00:37:01.920 --> 00:37:06.559
government and uh and any offer that Republicans have made

722
00:37:06.679 --> 00:37:09.239
and which are to me, there should not be an

723
00:37:09.360 --> 00:37:12.159
offer because what what the Democrats essentially want to do.

724
00:37:12.519 --> 00:37:15.559
They want to reverse everything that the big beautiful bill did.

725
00:37:16.840 --> 00:37:17.079
You know?

726
00:37:17.440 --> 00:37:20.679
That's that's what they want to do, and that includes

727
00:37:21.280 --> 00:37:27.079
uh Medicare for illegal immigrants, which yeah, I mean what

728
00:37:27.280 --> 00:37:29.920
and and throwing here we are, like I said, we're

729
00:37:29.960 --> 00:37:33.719
right now thirty seven trillion in debt counting and they

730
00:37:33.760 --> 00:37:38.280
want to throw another one point five trillion to the budget.

731
00:37:38.599 --> 00:37:42.360
It's like, wait a minute, you're already two trillion upside

732
00:37:42.360 --> 00:37:45.039
down in this year and you want to spend more money.

733
00:37:45.079 --> 00:37:49.199
I mean, that's irresponsible. But you know that's that's their game,

734
00:37:49.280 --> 00:37:51.400
and they're going to uh, they're going to keep They're

735
00:37:51.440 --> 00:37:54.079
going to stay with it and hopefully convince enough of

736
00:37:54.119 --> 00:37:57.400
America that somehow in there it makes sense. I don't

737
00:37:57.400 --> 00:37:57.679
know how.

738
00:37:58.639 --> 00:38:00.679
Well, yeah, I guess they mean they have an objective.

739
00:38:00.719 --> 00:38:02.880
The objective is spending a trillion dollars more, but the

740
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Republicans aren't going to agree to that, and the members

741
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of their own party, like Fetterman, that don't do that,

742
00:38:06.719 --> 00:38:08.920
So they don't have an achievable objective. They're just going

743
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to keep the government shut down for no reason until

744
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they all agree on a car. So I don't see

745
00:38:14.199 --> 00:38:18.480
why they're doing this. It's stupid. I mean, I'm not

746
00:38:18.519 --> 00:38:20.840
saying using big professor words here, I just I don't

747
00:38:20.880 --> 00:38:24.039
see this as a logical negotiating strategy. I guess that

748
00:38:24.119 --> 00:38:27.199
this gets into what academics and now smart or normal

749
00:38:27.199 --> 00:38:31.440
citizens call virtue signaling, where you're just very Actually, there's

750
00:38:31.440 --> 00:38:33.599
a very important point here that you just made, which

751
00:38:33.639 --> 00:38:36.880
is that in real life leadership roles, which we've both

752
00:38:36.920 --> 00:38:39.679
been in members of the audience have probably mostly been in,

753
00:38:39.960 --> 00:38:43.320
there's always a distinction between shut trade offs and solutions.

754
00:38:43.320 --> 00:38:44.920
Tom Soule said this very famously.

755
00:38:46.320 --> 00:38:48.519
You if you had an infinite amount of money and

756
00:38:48.559 --> 00:38:50.840
you're putting it in the basketed church or something, you

757
00:38:50.880 --> 00:38:54.519
would never want anyone not to get a medical procedure.

758
00:38:54.519 --> 00:38:58.199
This includes your aunt much far more than some illegal immigrant, right.

759
00:38:58.239 --> 00:39:01.119
But I mean, you don't have an infinite amount of money.

760
00:39:01.239 --> 00:39:04.159
So if you're an insurance company or you're a national

761
00:39:04.159 --> 00:39:06.280
healthcare system, there's going to be a cutoff procedure. Do

762
00:39:06.320 --> 00:39:08.880
you have an alcoholic four livers? These are the actual

763
00:39:08.920 --> 00:39:11.280
decisions that are going to have to be made so

764
00:39:11.440 --> 00:39:13.920
when you talk about okay, we've been able to pretty

765
00:39:14.039 --> 00:39:17.960
much pretty much with Medicare and Medicaid fully ensure the country.

766
00:39:18.280 --> 00:39:20.039
Now we've got all these illegals and aren't supposed to

767
00:39:20.039 --> 00:39:21.800
be in the country. We're shipping them home on buses.

768
00:39:22.000 --> 00:39:24.840
Do we extend that coverage to them? I mean, and

769
00:39:24.960 --> 00:39:26.880
on the one hand it would be good in that

770
00:39:27.119 --> 00:39:29.599
people would go to doctors. On the other hand, it

771
00:39:29.639 --> 00:39:33.800
costs us a trillion dollars. You can't just pretend that

772
00:39:33.880 --> 00:39:37.039
the trillion dollars isn't a bad on one side of

773
00:39:37.079 --> 00:39:39.039
the scale and say, well, we.

774
00:39:39.039 --> 00:39:41.920
Always do good, don't we. There's a rule that you

775
00:39:42.000 --> 00:39:42.480
do good.

776
00:39:42.880 --> 00:39:45.199
This is the kind of morality that six graders have,

777
00:39:45.280 --> 00:39:49.079
and it's actually really annoying. Like I prefer the businessman's

778
00:39:49.159 --> 00:39:51.519
open a morality to this, where the guy just says,

779
00:39:51.719 --> 00:39:52.880
I do what's good for me, and.

780
00:39:52.840 --> 00:39:54.119
You know it might go to happen, it might not,

781
00:39:54.280 --> 00:39:56.800
you know, it just live for my life, you know.

782
00:39:56.880 --> 00:40:00.480
Like that's much much more honest than like, can't do wrong.

783
00:40:00.840 --> 00:40:03.000
I'm telling the teacher, and I think a lot of

784
00:40:03.039 --> 00:40:06.480
people never evolve past can't do wrong. I'm telling the teacher,

785
00:40:06.679 --> 00:40:09.320
and you just can't explain to them. Well, the reason

786
00:40:09.320 --> 00:40:11.280
you have to consider it in this situation is that

787
00:40:11.320 --> 00:40:13.559
there's a much greater harm to your own friends and

788
00:40:13.599 --> 00:40:17.000
your own people. And that's the problem with to me,

789
00:40:17.199 --> 00:40:20.440
like leftist this is a very serious point. Actually banter aside.

790
00:40:20.480 --> 00:40:23.800
That's the problem leftist crime policy, migration policy.

791
00:40:24.199 --> 00:40:26.320
There's this endless discussion about like, well.

792
00:40:26.159 --> 00:40:29.039
The criminal had a hard life. The criminal will feel

793
00:40:29.079 --> 00:40:31.400
pain if he's in prison. And the response is, well,

794
00:40:31.400 --> 00:40:34.599
the criminals are rapist. If you let him go, he's

795
00:40:34.599 --> 00:40:38.199
gonna rate eight more people all are also going to

796
00:40:38.320 --> 00:40:41.599
feel pain. And there's kind of this brick wall sensation

797
00:40:41.639 --> 00:40:43.519
when you say this, like my response will just be

798
00:40:43.639 --> 00:40:45.679
to kill him, and if you apologize for that, you

799
00:40:45.679 --> 00:40:47.639
go through whatever cleansing ritually you need to go to.

800
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Then there were eight people that don't feel pain as

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opposed to one person.

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This is what I have been arguing and stating repeatedly

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here and again most recently, is that consequences must be

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realized by the one who affected the crime. Otherwise, guess

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what the consequence gets shared. That's what you're saying.

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Yes, that's actually a better way of saying it. But

888
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I think this is without being sex is very sort

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things Indian chiefs said about war and it's like, and

891
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they end up losing in the end, but we feel

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we won't have land. And it's sort of like, yes,

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that's true. You know, there has to be a decision

895
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making process where you add up this is the basic

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assets and deficits and allegrico what is in the end

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They should be in empathic roles. They should be caregiving.

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This includes some men, This include some women, includes a

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lot of young people. But you shouldn't be the war

902
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chief if you're horrified by the idea of war, and

903
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I think that this is something that we've got, Like,

904
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you shouldn't be in Congress if you can't say we

905
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need to cut the budget, like kicking these people off

906
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the healthcare rolls.

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What are you doing?

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You manage the national budget.

909
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This is how we've managed to by the way, and

910
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of course you know this the national budget.

911
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Even under libs like Clint the deficit, the debt.

912
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Was fairly stable until literally twenty or thirty years ago.

913
00:46:25.119 --> 00:46:27.679
When I was a kid, there was constant panic that

914
00:46:27.760 --> 00:46:31.159
like Reagan and O'Neil going back and forth and fighting,

915
00:46:31.239 --> 00:46:34.079
had raised the budget, the total debt to whatever it was,

916
00:46:34.119 --> 00:46:37.239
four trillion dollars. And I didn't check back in until

917
00:46:37.239 --> 00:46:39.280
I graduated from college, and I started looking at my

918
00:46:39.320 --> 00:46:41.719
own debts and saying, oh, some of these are in

919
00:46:41.760 --> 00:46:42.440
the six figures.

920
00:46:42.440 --> 00:46:43.760
We can't deal with debt at this level.

921
00:46:43.760 --> 00:46:46.199
What's the country at And I looked and it was

922
00:46:46.400 --> 00:46:49.760
eleven trillion perhaps, And then a couple of years ago

923
00:46:49.760 --> 00:46:52.159
I realized that it was at thirty four trillion after

924
00:46:52.199 --> 00:46:55.400
Obama and then Trump for all the Gopeachek put three

925
00:46:55.480 --> 00:46:57.039
or four trillion on top of that, and that's all

926
00:46:57.039 --> 00:46:59.920
of a sudden, we go forty trillion dollars thirty eight trillion.

927
00:47:00.440 --> 00:47:03.440
But I mean, that's that's an unsustainable amount of money.

928
00:47:03.519 --> 00:47:06.480
The only thing that's kept near peer powers like China

929
00:47:06.480 --> 00:47:11.360
and Russia from starting wars or counterba encountering our currency

930
00:47:11.480 --> 00:47:13.599
is the fact that they are.

931
00:47:14.480 --> 00:47:18.840
Now will they all yeah, right, go ahead, no?

932
00:47:18.920 --> 00:47:20.840
But I mean I think that they are in nearly

933
00:47:20.880 --> 00:47:24.639
as capricious a financial position like the Chinese renmen b

934
00:47:24.960 --> 00:47:27.440
is to some is stabilized by the US dollar block.

935
00:47:27.599 --> 00:47:30.679
I mean, so like the major nations, Europe doesn't make anything,

936
00:47:30.719 --> 00:47:33.880
like all of these countries have gambled themselves into these

937
00:47:33.920 --> 00:47:36.920
bizarre financial positions. So I mean, I think the USA

938
00:47:37.000 --> 00:47:39.960
and China have kind of a mutually assured destruction position,

939
00:47:40.000 --> 00:47:42.639
even on the economic side. And the question is how

940
00:47:42.679 --> 00:47:46.000
do you slowly creep back from that? Is it possible

941
00:47:46.039 --> 00:47:48.119
to pay off this kind of debt? Do we work

942
00:47:48.159 --> 00:47:50.480
out a deal with China where we understand either of

943
00:47:50.559 --> 00:47:52.840
us is ever going to do anything, but we start.

944
00:47:52.599 --> 00:47:54.519
Forgiving portions of this.

945
00:47:55.000 --> 00:47:58.719
We can't do anything though, if we keep spending more

946
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than we take in. So if we have five more

947
00:48:01.400 --> 00:48:05.000
sequential budgets where we well, what's the standard. We take

948
00:48:05.079 --> 00:48:07.639
in six billion in tax revenues, there's an incredible amount

949
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of money, by the way, or six trillion and we

950
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spend eight trillion, then I don't know if we can

951
00:48:14.559 --> 00:48:17.840
come back from that brink and think about eight trillion dollars.

952
00:48:17.880 --> 00:48:19.480
I mean that's an.

953
00:48:18.880 --> 00:48:22.079
Empire state building high stack of million dollar bills. I

954
00:48:22.079 --> 00:48:23.440
mean that's a lot of money.

955
00:48:23.639 --> 00:48:26.280
Right exactly. Well, you see, this is the thing, and

956
00:48:27.039 --> 00:48:30.880
you know it's like in terms of a budget, is

957
00:48:31.079 --> 00:48:32.920
what kind of government can we afford?

958
00:48:32.960 --> 00:48:34.000
Here? See?

959
00:48:34.000 --> 00:48:37.920
But the thing, the upward push on all the spending

960
00:48:38.000 --> 00:48:41.840
money is all connected. And I keep saying this, it's

961
00:48:41.960 --> 00:48:46.119
all connected to vote buying, you know, when politicians are

962
00:48:46.159 --> 00:48:50.639
allowed to give away taxpayer money to buy votes, which

963
00:48:50.880 --> 00:48:54.079
our founding fathers warned us about. And here we are,

964
00:48:54.199 --> 00:48:57.599
we're on steroids doing this, and you wonder why we're

965
00:48:57.760 --> 00:49:00.599
thirty seven looking at thirty eight trillion dollars and there's

966
00:49:00.639 --> 00:49:02.920
no hold in this back. I mean, here, you know,

967
00:49:03.039 --> 00:49:06.239
everybody talks about, you know, making government efficient and do

968
00:49:06.320 --> 00:49:09.519
all this, and Donald Trump convinces Elon Musk he should

969
00:49:09.559 --> 00:49:14.159
come in, and boy, they were freaking out. You know,

970
00:49:14.159 --> 00:49:16.039
they just they all talk about it, like you say,

971
00:49:16.159 --> 00:49:18.440
they talk about it until it comes time to actually

972
00:49:18.480 --> 00:49:18.800
do it.

973
00:49:20.280 --> 00:49:20.519
Yeah.

974
00:49:20.599 --> 00:49:22.760
I think one of the things that people refuse to

975
00:49:22.840 --> 00:49:25.880
discuss is that kind of the neutering of DOGE was

976
00:49:26.039 --> 00:49:29.719
very bipartisan. I mean, like Elon Musk came in there,

977
00:49:29.760 --> 00:49:32.320
Like Elon Musk was even mad at Trump for like

978
00:49:32.360 --> 00:49:34.559
a month, like they've now made up, but like he

979
00:49:35.039 --> 00:49:38.719
left DC and it was like the classic description a

980
00:49:38.760 --> 00:49:41.119
boss of mind wants to describe working for government as

981
00:49:41.199 --> 00:49:43.639
like being a water breathing mammal thrown into the ocean.

982
00:49:44.280 --> 00:49:45.679
Like you're trying.

983
00:49:45.360 --> 00:49:49.559
To get through this endless paperwork and these weird little

984
00:49:49.599 --> 00:49:52.599
guys telling you why you can't do obvious things and

985
00:49:52.639 --> 00:49:55.800
so on, even like everything, Like at one point he

986
00:49:55.880 --> 00:49:59.000
mentioned that the dating policy had been written by sort

987
00:49:59.000 --> 00:50:02.800
of radical feminist in the nineteen seventies, and so like

988
00:50:02.880 --> 00:50:05.599
his girlfriend worked for the same apparatus of the government,

989
00:50:05.639 --> 00:50:07.800
they weren't supposed to talk to each other. It's like

990
00:50:07.960 --> 00:50:11.079
just all of it was just unbelievable. He stuck around

991
00:50:11.119 --> 00:50:13.360
for a while, then he left. The pay is like

992
00:50:13.360 --> 00:50:15.599
a third of what you make as an executive anywhere else.

993
00:50:15.800 --> 00:50:19.519
So Elon musk encountered this, and he proposed something incredible

994
00:50:19.559 --> 00:50:21.039
as one hundred and seventy four billion. I think you

995
00:50:21.119 --> 00:50:23.159
might correct in budget cuts. I don't know if any

996
00:50:23.159 --> 00:50:25.440
of them were made. I mean, one of the things

997
00:50:25.559 --> 00:50:27.679
about a car which is what they're going to go with,

998
00:50:27.840 --> 00:50:30.360
is that it literally just restores the spending of the

999
00:50:30.400 --> 00:50:33.639
past year. So if Elon said, Okay, we need to

1000
00:50:33.719 --> 00:50:37.280
make two hundred billion in cuts and Trump said okay,

1001
00:50:37.960 --> 00:50:40.760
Congress then, which is a separate and coequal branch of government,

1002
00:50:40.760 --> 00:50:43.480
looks at that and they have the option of rejecting

1003
00:50:43.559 --> 00:50:45.800
all of them. And you have a horrible suspicion that

1004
00:50:45.840 --> 00:50:47.719
they're going to do that as part of a deal

1005
00:50:47.760 --> 00:50:52.320
with the Democrats. So yeah, it's entirely possible that nothing, nothing,

1006
00:50:52.360 --> 00:50:55.159
would ever get done. And like Jasmine Crockett and Marjorie

1007
00:50:55.159 --> 00:50:58.239
Taylor Green on our side and AOC and all these

1008
00:50:58.239 --> 00:51:01.639
people just keep making TikTok video and showing off new

1009
00:51:01.679 --> 00:51:04.159
styles and so on. And I mean, the the republic

1010
00:51:04.239 --> 00:51:06.599
just moves, you know, a step closer to the brink

1011
00:51:06.599 --> 00:51:08.719
while that goes on, and there are there ways to

1012
00:51:08.760 --> 00:51:09.280
deal with that.

1013
00:51:09.360 --> 00:51:10.840
I mean, with Twitter.

1014
00:51:10.559 --> 00:51:14.159
Being fairly free under Elon and Facebook meta now opening

1015
00:51:14.199 --> 00:51:16.360
up a bit. I mean, you can point out the truth.

1016
00:51:16.920 --> 00:51:19.400
You now see new political movements growing. We're not We're

1017
00:51:19.400 --> 00:51:21.920
no here out exactly. Well, we're nowhere near the end game.

1018
00:51:21.960 --> 00:51:23.000
But there's a big problem.

1019
00:51:23.480 --> 00:51:28.400
Well definitely, we the people has had the opportunity and

1020
00:51:28.440 --> 00:51:30.679
we can thank you Lon Musk for that, for buying Twitter.

1021
00:51:31.039 --> 00:51:34.360
I mean, because he gave us back our First Amendment

1022
00:51:34.480 --> 00:51:38.079
right to exercise free speech. And you know we've gone there,

1023
00:51:38.119 --> 00:51:40.760
but still you know, the battle, you know, the battle continues,

1024
00:51:40.760 --> 00:51:43.880
which is okay. I mean, this is what the bureaucracy is,

1025
00:51:43.880 --> 00:51:46.320
what democracy looks like, is that we can have this discussion,

1026
00:51:46.800 --> 00:51:49.400
but at some point you got to get to you know.

1027
00:51:49.480 --> 00:51:52.559
It's like I use this analogy often because I grew

1028
00:51:52.639 --> 00:51:54.400
up on the West Coast in California, was by the

1029
00:51:54.440 --> 00:51:58.800
beach and you'd watch lifeguards when somebody was drowning. They

1030
00:51:58.800 --> 00:52:00.440
didn't go out and save them right away. They had

1031
00:52:00.480 --> 00:52:02.159
to wait until they got the fight out of them.

1032
00:52:02.199 --> 00:52:03.920
Then they'd go and save them. You go, hey, why

1033
00:52:03.960 --> 00:52:06.159
didn't you go any sooner? Well, because they had all

1034
00:52:06.199 --> 00:52:08.559
this fighting them and then we'd both drown, you know.

1035
00:52:08.800 --> 00:52:11.280
And this is where America is right now. We're still fighting,

1036
00:52:11.440 --> 00:52:13.239
and we need to get to that point where we're

1037
00:52:13.400 --> 00:52:15.960
ready to take a breath and say, Okay, I know

1038
00:52:16.039 --> 00:52:18.239
we have different views, but let's let's take a look

1039
00:52:18.239 --> 00:52:22.559
at these issues like Medicare for example, like healthcare. You know,

1040
00:52:22.760 --> 00:52:26.159
we can do a lot better than Obamacare. I mean, clearly,

1041
00:52:26.639 --> 00:52:30.119
let's get together in the room and manufacture and put

1042
00:52:30.159 --> 00:52:33.000
together something here that's going to be win win for

1043
00:52:33.159 --> 00:52:35.920
the people and not for a political interest and not

1044
00:52:36.039 --> 00:52:37.880
for somebody to put their name on it.

1045
00:52:41.719 --> 00:52:42.440
And do agree.

1046
00:52:42.880 --> 00:52:43.079
Yeah.

1047
00:52:43.119 --> 00:52:45.880
Yeah, well we'll see if that happens.

1048
00:52:46.039 --> 00:52:48.519
I mean, I think a big step for the Republicans

1049
00:52:48.679 --> 00:52:50.320
is going to be if they A big step for

1050
00:52:50.360 --> 00:52:53.159
the Republicans is whether they actually can quote unquote get

1051
00:52:53.280 --> 00:52:56.719
used to winning. Like we know the GOP has ideas

1052
00:52:56.719 --> 00:53:00.280
on crime, on migration, on all the kind of dad stuff.

1053
00:53:00.639 --> 00:53:03.199
The next step is going to be, can you really

1054
00:53:03.239 --> 00:53:05.599
come up with a proposal on healthcare that's not just

1055
00:53:05.719 --> 00:53:07.920
gorn some money and pay for your own doctor, which

1056
00:53:07.960 --> 00:53:10.519
honestly I'm fine with, but I mean, I don't think

1057
00:53:10.559 --> 00:53:13.960
Americans are quite ready to hear like the you don't work,

1058
00:53:14.039 --> 00:53:18.039
you don't need sort of classical perspective, unvarnished.

1059
00:53:18.360 --> 00:53:22.280
So what what's the healthcare plan? You know, what what's

1060
00:53:22.320 --> 00:53:24.679
the senior care plan? So on down the line.

1061
00:53:25.000 --> 00:53:27.920
I think if there's any reasonable alternative to what we've

1062
00:53:27.920 --> 00:53:29.760
got on the table, a lot of people are going

1063
00:53:29.840 --> 00:53:30.599
to listen to it.

1064
00:53:31.039 --> 00:53:32.320
But that is that is.

1065
00:53:32.320 --> 00:53:34.719
The next step, and that's got to be done coherently,

1066
00:53:34.760 --> 00:53:36.719
and we'll see. We'll see if that gets done.

1067
00:53:36.800 --> 00:53:40.559
Well in terms of you know, working and not getting

1068
00:53:40.559 --> 00:53:42.800
a reward from it. We need to be careful that

1069
00:53:42.840 --> 00:53:46.159
we're not enabling people and becoming codependent as a nation

1070
00:53:46.719 --> 00:53:49.719
with people's laziness, because if they can do it, they'll

1071
00:53:49.760 --> 00:53:52.559
get away with it. We already know that time and

1072
00:53:52.679 --> 00:53:56.039
history has you know, the data is there, but you know,

1073
00:53:56.079 --> 00:54:00.239
we want to bring dignity back and have people have

1074
00:54:00.320 --> 00:54:04.079
an opportunity to go and be productive, because when they're productive,

1075
00:54:04.119 --> 00:54:09.119
they're happier. And I think that government unfortunately, just like

1076
00:54:09.159 --> 00:54:11.480
as you mentioned, you get some of these bleeding hearts

1077
00:54:11.480 --> 00:54:14.440
to come in Okay. You know, I appreciate your perspective,

1078
00:54:14.480 --> 00:54:19.079
but we can't have you making these decisions because the

1079
00:54:19.079 --> 00:54:21.760
bottom line is your theory doesn't work.

1080
00:54:23.559 --> 00:54:27.760
Yeah, I think that's correct. There's actually to me and

1081
00:54:27.800 --> 00:54:29.880
this applies across the board.

1082
00:54:29.920 --> 00:54:32.639
I mean, this is a famous comment from I think

1083
00:54:32.679 --> 00:54:35.519
it's Stephen Pinker on religion, and I don't necessarily agree

1084
00:54:35.519 --> 00:54:38.079
with his baseline here, but like, it doesn't really matter

1085
00:54:38.119 --> 00:54:41.320
whether it's true. It seems to improve society. I mean,

1086
00:54:41.519 --> 00:54:45.440
the question with theories is do they work in the

1087
00:54:45.480 --> 00:54:49.039
sense that they make things better? And that's really all

1088
00:54:49.079 --> 00:54:53.880
that matters. Communism sounds beautiful, but it doesn't work. So

1089
00:54:54.079 --> 00:54:56.079
I guess when you look at I guess the point

1090
00:54:56.079 --> 00:54:57.639
I'm making here is when you look at a lot

1091
00:54:57.639 --> 00:55:00.840
of things. This would apply almost from AI to pornography.

1092
00:55:01.280 --> 00:55:04.559
The question with social availability, like should this be allowed,

1093
00:55:04.920 --> 00:55:08.280
is is the improved? Are you going to see improvement

1094
00:55:08.360 --> 00:55:11.639
in society? And when you talk about work, one of

1095
00:55:11.639 --> 00:55:14.039
the next questions for the next fifty years is going

1096
00:55:14.119 --> 00:55:16.960
to be one do we even need people to work?

1097
00:55:17.320 --> 00:55:19.199
And two kind of should we still make them work?

1098
00:55:19.239 --> 00:55:21.719
Should we make them dig lakes or something? Just because

1099
00:55:21.760 --> 00:55:25.360
it's better for people to be engaged. And my own

1100
00:55:25.360 --> 00:55:30.039
opinion is, yeah, we should, let's say, find every possible

1101
00:55:30.159 --> 00:55:36.079
avenue to keep people gainfully employed, voluntarily or not, because

1102
00:55:36.360 --> 00:55:39.280
if they are not, especially the males, if they're not

1103
00:55:39.519 --> 00:55:43.679
out there laboring, they're not gonna write epic poetry. I

1104
00:55:43.719 --> 00:55:45.880
think this is something we've found coming from the black

1105
00:55:45.880 --> 00:55:48.840
community living in Appalachia, which are kind of the two

1106
00:55:48.920 --> 00:55:52.039
canonical examples, right, this is something we've found over and

1107
00:55:52.079 --> 00:55:54.239
over and over again. I mean, those two groups used

1108
00:55:54.239 --> 00:55:57.519
to produce a massively disproportionate number of soldiers.

1109
00:55:57.880 --> 00:56:00.760
Like the more opportunity you have to just excuse me, sit.

1110
00:56:00.719 --> 00:56:03.880
On an ass and do nothing, the more opportunity a

1111
00:56:03.880 --> 00:56:06.440
lot of people are gonna take to do that sort

1112
00:56:06.440 --> 00:56:09.360
of chase girls watch television. I mean, you can listen

1113
00:56:09.400 --> 00:56:11.519
to music and all that on your computer screen. Now

1114
00:56:11.519 --> 00:56:13.400
hold your phone in front of your face. So I

1115
00:56:13.440 --> 00:56:15.840
think with AI we run a risk of that becoming

1116
00:56:15.880 --> 00:56:18.119
even more prevalent. I mean, and this is one of

1117
00:56:18.199 --> 00:56:20.519
the few things I dislike about Elon. He made what

1118
00:56:20.519 --> 00:56:23.519
do you call it, grop spicy mode, So you can

1119
00:56:23.599 --> 00:56:27.960
now set your phone on your table, you can press buttons,

1120
00:56:27.960 --> 00:56:30.239
and you can have a holographic image of a woman

1121
00:56:30.320 --> 00:56:33.199
come out of your phone and start dancing. They don't

1122
00:56:33.239 --> 00:56:36.280
quite get naked yet. But this is the movie idiocracy

1123
00:56:36.400 --> 00:56:37.119
level stuff.

1124
00:56:37.280 --> 00:56:38.119
Now, this is all real.

1125
00:56:38.159 --> 00:56:40.559
This is not something I'm exaggerating. So I think that

1126
00:56:40.800 --> 00:56:43.800
the more we limit this kind of stuff by law,

1127
00:56:44.519 --> 00:56:47.800
via the family, via the church, the better like.

1128
00:56:47.800 --> 00:56:48.559
People should be.

1129
00:56:48.599 --> 00:56:50.639
Even with the young people don't date anymore.

1130
00:56:50.679 --> 00:56:55.800
Young people don't date anymore because there aren't lightly supervised

1131
00:56:55.840 --> 00:57:00.079
party situations to go meet other young people in, let's say,

1132
00:57:00.440 --> 00:57:03.039
go to the park. You know, like that, the more

1133
00:57:03.119 --> 00:57:05.719
you encourage that as a society, you have a safe enough,

1134
00:57:05.800 --> 00:57:09.639
high trust enough society that you and this still exists

1135
00:57:09.639 --> 00:57:11.599
in virtually every suburb, and for all our flaws, it

1136
00:57:11.679 --> 00:57:13.639
exists in virtually every Apalachian community.

1137
00:57:13.800 --> 00:57:15.599
There's a fair amount of crime, but no one's directing that.

1138
00:57:15.880 --> 00:57:17.039
Kids playing soccer.

1139
00:57:17.559 --> 00:57:17.800
You know.

1140
00:57:18.519 --> 00:57:20.559
The more you have that, and the more you have the.

1141
00:57:20.559 --> 00:57:22.199
Things that grow out of that, like you walk down

1142
00:57:22.239 --> 00:57:24.159
to the store and apply for a job, the more

1143
00:57:24.280 --> 00:57:26.679
normal people are going to be. And it's good for

1144
00:57:26.760 --> 00:57:30.679
people to be normal. I guess that's basically my conclusion there.

1145
00:57:30.840 --> 00:57:32.400
It's good to play sports in high school.

1146
00:57:32.480 --> 00:57:32.840
Go be a.

1147
00:57:32.800 --> 00:57:35.400
Soldier for a while, Go get a job, because then

1148
00:57:35.440 --> 00:57:37.480
you're going to be a human. Those are things people

1149
00:57:37.480 --> 00:57:39.760
have done for four or five thousand years. It's what

1150
00:57:39.800 --> 00:57:43.079
people should do. No, normal humans are allergic to grain

1151
00:57:43.159 --> 00:57:46.119
and meat and vegetables. That's what humans eat. So I mean,

1152
00:57:46.199 --> 00:57:48.480
just just be the human that can eat bread and meat.

1153
00:57:48.840 --> 00:57:51.159
Yeah, it's all part of your natural design. By the way,

1154
00:57:51.440 --> 00:57:54.519
he's the professor of political science at Kentucky State University,

1155
00:57:54.800 --> 00:57:57.559
a doctor Wilfrid Riley. Will thank you so much, appreciate it.

1156
00:57:57.559 --> 00:57:59.559
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1179
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1180
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1181
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1182
00:59:24.000 --> 00:59:28.199
Okay, So government shutdown. We're still being held hostage. Maybe

1183
00:59:28.239 --> 00:59:30.559
after the weekend. I got a big parade here for

1184
00:59:30.719 --> 00:59:35.159
progressives and Marxists and those people that don't exist antifaz

1185
00:59:35.840 --> 00:59:38.079
you know around there. Hey, it's so bad. I tell

1186
00:59:38.079 --> 00:59:41.719
you it's so bad. The guy who normally hires you know,

1187
00:59:41.800 --> 00:59:45.159
these professional protesters, he says he wants nothing to do

1188
00:59:45.239 --> 00:59:49.719
with this group. There's something wrong this could be a

1189
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bad sign here Jordan, just to start off.

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Unfortunately, both sides seem to be very stuck in their positions.

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00:59:56.119 --> 01:00:01.400
The Republicans passed their clean Continuing Resolution to keep the

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01:00:01.440 --> 01:00:05.679
government open. The Republicans have the majority of the Senate,

1193
01:00:05.719 --> 01:00:08.679
but not enough to get past the filibuster, so it's

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01:00:08.679 --> 01:00:13.000
been voted on many times and not successfully. The Democrats

1195
01:00:13.039 --> 01:00:15.760
are saying they're not going to overopen the government or

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01:00:15.840 --> 01:00:20.000
approve the budget until they get the subsidies back to

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01:00:20.039 --> 01:00:24.400
where they were on Obamacare and stop the Medicaid cuts.

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01:00:24.440 --> 01:00:27.760
This was all resolved in the big beautiful Billy. Now

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01:00:27.840 --> 01:00:29.840
they may not like it, but that's what happened.

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01:00:30.159 --> 01:00:33.480
Well, it was resolved years ago when the Democrats passed it,

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01:00:33.760 --> 01:00:36.440
and now it comes to sunsetting at the end of

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01:00:36.480 --> 01:00:39.079
the year, and all of a sudden, it's like, oh,

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01:00:39.159 --> 01:00:42.159
let's find a reason to be antagonistic because we don't

1204
01:00:42.199 --> 01:00:45.199
like Trump anyway. And then somebody, I think Keith Jeffries

1205
01:00:45.280 --> 01:00:47.480
or somebody said oh, yeah, that's right, let's go after

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01:00:47.519 --> 01:00:52.000
Affordable Care Act, you know, and we'll make these Republicans

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01:00:52.280 --> 01:00:54.360
bend the knee to Obamacare once again.

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01:00:54.480 --> 01:00:57.400
Right, So just to work clear Bill.

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01:00:58.760 --> 01:01:05.199
What they're talking about is these supplemental subsidies. Okay, after COVID,

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01:01:05.599 --> 01:01:10.039
the subsidies went from eighty percent to ninety five percent. Okay,

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01:01:10.039 --> 01:01:12.800
So what they're talking about is the fifteen percent additional

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01:01:12.880 --> 01:01:16.079
subsidy that was put in after COVID, which is went sunsetting.

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01:01:16.079 --> 01:01:19.000
We're not talking about wiping out all subsidies, right exactly,

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01:01:19.159 --> 01:01:20.480
talking about bringing it back.

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01:01:20.320 --> 01:01:22.480
To the eighty percent it was before COVID.

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01:01:22.760 --> 01:01:25.519
So they're saying that's going to break the economy and

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01:01:25.519 --> 01:01:27.840
make all kinds of people lose their health care and clothes.

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01:01:27.880 --> 01:01:28.840
We're a hospitals.

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01:01:29.039 --> 01:01:32.360
I think it's been extreme that that fifteen percent extra

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01:01:32.440 --> 01:01:35.119
subsidy is what's being taken away and will cause all

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01:01:35.159 --> 01:01:36.159
this catastrophe.

1222
01:01:36.360 --> 01:01:39.280
Well especially I think COVID is over right, I think

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01:01:39.320 --> 01:01:42.960
so pretty much. I think so. So it's like, okay,

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01:01:43.000 --> 01:01:45.719
you got it there, and then on top of that,

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01:01:45.800 --> 01:01:50.320
it's like it really blemishes this idea of affordable care.

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01:01:50.639 --> 01:01:54.199
If it was affordable, why do you need the subsidy?

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01:01:54.280 --> 01:01:56.159
Well, it's not asking the subsidy.

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01:01:56.239 --> 01:01:58.480
I mean, even with all of they're still going to

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01:01:58.480 --> 01:02:02.440
have an eighty percent subsidy drills. Okay, So to bring

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01:02:02.480 --> 01:02:05.440
the entire government to a close because of this seems

1231
01:02:05.480 --> 01:02:07.440
a little silly. And now, I mean, we're talking about

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01:02:07.440 --> 01:02:11.480
seven hundred and fifty thousand federal workers that are furloughed,

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01:02:11.840 --> 01:02:13.239
and now the wayoffs are going to start.

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01:02:13.280 --> 01:02:14.320
They started with four.

1235
01:02:14.119 --> 01:02:16.880
Thousand in seven agencies, and there's going to be more

1236
01:02:17.000 --> 01:02:19.840
that are permanent. So it's really going to restrict the

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01:02:19.840 --> 01:02:21.880
ability of the government. Now, apparently you're going to be

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01:02:21.920 --> 01:02:24.280
able to pay the troops. They've got some money from

1239
01:02:24.360 --> 01:02:25.480
somewhere to pay the troops.

1240
01:02:25.480 --> 01:02:29.119
For one, some billionaires come up said, that's all right,

1241
01:02:29.199 --> 01:02:30.199
I'll take care of the troops.

1242
01:02:30.599 --> 01:02:32.480
That's it. That I can be able to do that

1243
01:02:32.519 --> 01:02:34.960
in two weeks. So I just hope that.

1244
01:02:34.960 --> 01:02:37.800
I mean, the last shutdown we had in twenty nineteen

1245
01:02:37.920 --> 01:02:40.760
was thirty four days. I hope it doesn't go that long.

1246
01:02:41.280 --> 01:02:43.920
I hope both sides come to their senses that the

1247
01:02:44.000 --> 01:02:46.079
public thinks the parks on both their houses.

1248
01:02:46.119 --> 01:02:47.320
I mean, this is just ridiculous.

1249
01:02:47.360 --> 01:02:50.719
So yeah, but why should the Republicans though, I mean, basically,

1250
01:02:50.760 --> 01:02:52.840
what you want to do. You already voted on a

1251
01:02:52.880 --> 01:02:57.199
bill that passed what three months ago, lesson three months ago,

1252
01:02:57.559 --> 01:03:00.679
and now you want to go ahead and basically reverse

1253
01:03:00.760 --> 01:03:04.719
engineer that, take that out of there, and add one

1254
01:03:04.719 --> 01:03:07.440
point five million to a debt that's already a thirty

1255
01:03:07.440 --> 01:03:09.159
seven trillion. How does that make sense?

1256
01:03:09.519 --> 01:03:11.199
One point five trillion not billion?

1257
01:03:11.400 --> 01:03:13.280
Yeah? Did I say billion? I'm meant trillion. Yeah, the

1258
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big team.

1259
01:03:14.159 --> 01:03:16.079
Yes, the numbers are just staggering.

1260
01:03:16.119 --> 01:03:17.039
Yeah, oh yeah.

1261
01:03:17.159 --> 01:03:19.559
So but meanwhile, I mean, this is going to be

1262
01:03:19.639 --> 01:03:21.840
sliing the economy. Think about seven hundred and fifty thousand

1263
01:03:21.880 --> 01:03:24.400
workers not being able to spend, and all the federal

1264
01:03:24.400 --> 01:03:27.599
contractors that also work off the government are not going

1265
01:03:27.639 --> 01:03:30.960
to get paid, and services are not being provided wik

1266
01:03:31.679 --> 01:03:36.079
for women in instance, and children are food food stamps.

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01:03:36.880 --> 01:03:40.360
You've got subsidies to farmers, medical research.

1268
01:03:41.079 --> 01:03:44.119
Well, there's always see. All that tells you is the

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01:03:44.159 --> 01:03:46.679
government is so massive and so big.

1270
01:03:47.000 --> 01:03:47.199
It is.

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01:03:47.960 --> 01:03:50.800
That's that's the problem with this, because no matter what

1272
01:03:50.960 --> 01:03:54.239
I mean, most Americans will say, the government's too big.

1273
01:03:54.320 --> 01:03:56.679
We need to make it efficient, we need to we

1274
01:03:56.760 --> 01:03:58.800
need to you know, let's cut it back.

1275
01:03:59.079 --> 01:03:59.440
All right.

1276
01:03:59.480 --> 01:04:03.559
Now, the Democrats, in their own silliness, have opened the

1277
01:04:03.599 --> 01:04:08.480
door to Donald Trump and the administration to unilaterally cut

1278
01:04:08.519 --> 01:04:11.400
back the government. So you got these these reduction in

1279
01:04:11.519 --> 01:04:15.639
force by certificates going out and guess what, they may

1280
01:04:15.679 --> 01:04:16.719
not get their job.

1281
01:04:16.559 --> 01:04:20.119
Back, probably will not, probably will probably a lot more too.

1282
01:04:20.559 --> 01:04:24.679
By executive power with au Chuck Schumer and HAKEM. Jeffreys

1283
01:04:24.760 --> 01:04:27.920
and AOC and the squad and them yelling and screaming.

1284
01:04:28.000 --> 01:04:30.599
He's just gonna say, hey, look at you know, I

1285
01:04:30.599 --> 01:04:33.079
got a mandate here. People want me to make government

1286
01:04:33.119 --> 01:04:36.320
more efficient, and we're going to We're going to doge

1287
01:04:36.320 --> 01:04:37.079
it up a little bit.

1288
01:04:37.199 --> 01:04:40.320
Even so, if you cut all these maybe it's like

1289
01:04:40.320 --> 01:04:42.440
one hundred and fifty to two hundred billion in savings,

1290
01:04:42.480 --> 01:04:45.840
which would be great, But think we're spending a trillion

1291
01:04:45.880 --> 01:04:47.239
dollars on interest alone.

1292
01:04:47.400 --> 01:04:50.519
Okay, so yeah, exactly, Well that's that's what I mean.

1293
01:04:50.599 --> 01:04:54.079
So even if you said we're going to reduce we're

1294
01:04:54.119 --> 01:04:57.639
going to reduce our employees by ten to fifteen percent,

1295
01:04:57.719 --> 01:05:01.960
which is something that every day businesusiness is routinely go through.

1296
01:05:01.960 --> 01:05:02.000
It.

1297
01:05:03.199 --> 01:05:05.000
I mean it's I mean, if you get down to

1298
01:05:05.000 --> 01:05:07.400
a situation saying look I got to I got to

1299
01:05:07.480 --> 01:05:11.679
reduce my forces by fifty percent, well you're heading to bankruptcy.

1300
01:05:11.760 --> 01:05:14.719
I mean, you're in trouble. But here, you know, we're

1301
01:05:14.719 --> 01:05:19.039
in a situation where we can be reasonable and efficient,

1302
01:05:19.079 --> 01:05:21.639
which is what the American people are looking for. But

1303
01:05:21.679 --> 01:05:24.679
there's no question like anything. Hey, when you start moving

1304
01:05:24.719 --> 01:05:27.000
the cheese around, some people are going to complain.

1305
01:05:27.480 --> 01:05:30.400
Absolutely, and so the people receiving the services that can play.

1306
01:05:30.599 --> 01:05:33.480
I'll just give you one example. The farmers. Okay, the

1307
01:05:33.559 --> 01:05:37.079
farmers are really hurting right now because China, which had

1308
01:05:37.119 --> 01:05:40.519
been buying billions of soybeans and cor and we does

1309
01:05:40.639 --> 01:05:44.039
not buying it anymore. China's buying it from Argentina and

1310
01:05:44.079 --> 01:05:47.039
Brazil and Canada and Australia and all kinds of other places.

1311
01:05:47.400 --> 01:05:49.719
The farmers are really really hurting here. We are in

1312
01:05:49.760 --> 01:05:52.480
the harvest season and they're going to be stacking the

1313
01:05:52.519 --> 01:05:54.920
soybeans to the sky because there's no place to sell them.

1314
01:05:55.320 --> 01:05:56.280
They need help now.

1315
01:05:56.360 --> 01:05:58.599
President Trump was talking about a ten billion dollar kind

1316
01:05:58.599 --> 01:06:01.320
of bailout for them that won't even help very much

1317
01:06:01.360 --> 01:06:01.679
at all.

1318
01:06:02.320 --> 01:06:03.559
Yeah, the problem they had.

1319
01:06:03.599 --> 01:06:05.599
So that's an example where the government really needs to

1320
01:06:05.599 --> 01:06:08.079
help people that are really really hurting right now.

1321
01:06:08.079 --> 01:06:09.199
We're all across the country.

1322
01:06:09.639 --> 01:06:12.039
Yeah, well, there's no doubt, and of course this is

1323
01:06:12.039 --> 01:06:14.000
a slap in the face to Trump, which he's taken

1324
01:06:14.000 --> 01:06:17.480
it personally because ye promised that he would buy a Psoibean, right,

1325
01:06:17.960 --> 01:06:20.199
and then he sits there and he hit the brakes

1326
01:06:20.239 --> 01:06:23.519
on it. And of course then as if that's not enough,

1327
01:06:23.559 --> 01:06:25.039
now we got a little bit of a war going

1328
01:06:25.079 --> 01:06:29.159
on because now it's minerals and other resources that we're

1329
01:06:29.199 --> 01:06:33.079
counting on China to produce for us. But Jordan, I'm

1330
01:06:33.079 --> 01:06:34.559
telling you China could rule the day.

1331
01:06:35.000 --> 01:06:35.760
Well, they should be.

1332
01:06:35.800 --> 01:06:37.960
We should have done this a long time ago, thought exactly,

1333
01:06:38.079 --> 01:06:40.800
we have not been mining strategic minerals, so called rare

1334
01:06:40.840 --> 01:06:44.000
earths right for a long time. Now there's mining it

1335
01:06:44.039 --> 01:06:48.400
and then there's refining it. China controls about seventy percent

1336
01:06:48.400 --> 01:06:50.760
of the mining and about ninety five percent of the

1337
01:06:50.800 --> 01:06:54.400
refining capacity. What happened was there was an American company

1338
01:06:54.400 --> 01:06:57.679
that got into refining rare earths in Utah, and China

1339
01:06:57.760 --> 01:07:00.159
lowered their prices so dramatically that they put them out

1340
01:07:00.199 --> 01:07:00.639
of business.

1341
01:07:00.679 --> 01:07:04.199
Basically, it's like a Clendra another Clendra move, right.

1342
01:07:04.480 --> 01:07:06.800
It was very much so so in this case.

1343
01:07:06.840 --> 01:07:10.519
So China has put this expert restriction strategic minerals, which

1344
01:07:10.519 --> 01:07:14.960
are needed everywhere. Planes and chips and military, just all

1345
01:07:15.039 --> 01:07:16.400
kinds of places it's really really needed.

1346
01:07:16.440 --> 01:07:17.840
They've got this monopoly on it.

1347
01:07:18.199 --> 01:07:21.079
And Trump said, you're not doing that without getting a

1348
01:07:21.280 --> 01:07:24.239
real slap on the face back. So he said, one

1349
01:07:24.280 --> 01:07:28.280
hundred percent tariffs on everything coming from China by November first,

1350
01:07:28.320 --> 01:07:31.800
starting November first. If you don't pull that strategic minerals back,

1351
01:07:32.119 --> 01:07:35.639
that would crush the Chinese economy. That that kind of

1352
01:07:35.639 --> 01:07:37.480
a tariff, It really would well.

1353
01:07:37.400 --> 01:07:40.039
This whole situation anyway, Jordan. You know, it all started

1354
01:07:40.039 --> 01:07:43.920
with we got to trust our partners. It's like Trump saying, hey,

1355
01:07:44.000 --> 01:07:46.519
come on, let's let's trust one another here, let's work

1356
01:07:46.519 --> 01:07:48.880
out something. And he's been able to do it with most,

1357
01:07:48.880 --> 01:07:52.079
but of course China is China, and it's going to

1358
01:07:52.119 --> 01:07:56.400
take a little bit more arm twisting and you know,

1359
01:07:56.480 --> 01:07:59.559
and pressure on them to finally realize, hey, look at

1360
01:07:59.639 --> 01:08:01.599
let's play ball here. We can do it and make

1361
01:08:01.639 --> 01:08:04.239
it nice the way it was originally set out to be.

1362
01:08:04.360 --> 01:08:04.719
The way.

1363
01:08:04.880 --> 01:08:07.800
You know, remember when Bill Clinton sold us on this

1364
01:08:07.880 --> 01:08:08.480
to begin with.

1365
01:08:08.599 --> 01:08:11.440
Right, right, We're supposed to be that way. For a

1366
01:08:11.440 --> 01:08:14.199
long time, it worked pretty well. I mean, we've imported

1367
01:08:14.519 --> 01:08:17.399
tons of stuff, something like six hundred billion dollars a

1368
01:08:17.479 --> 01:08:19.560
year worth of goods from China, so we've kind of

1369
01:08:19.560 --> 01:08:23.239
been lolled into a sense of complacency. We get good

1370
01:08:23.319 --> 01:08:26.520
quality stuff at cheaper prices. A lot of American companies

1371
01:08:26.560 --> 01:08:28.960
do not make what we get from China, you know,

1372
01:08:29.119 --> 01:08:31.960
shoos and toys and all kinds of things, and we've

1373
01:08:32.039 --> 01:08:34.560
kind of seated those industries to China.

1374
01:08:34.640 --> 01:08:37.159
Now we're depending on them in many cases. So let's see.

1375
01:08:37.159 --> 01:08:39.920
But by November first, I hope we can come to

1376
01:08:40.000 --> 01:08:44.039
some compromise here where they take off the strategic minerals

1377
01:08:44.960 --> 01:08:48.199
kind of slow down and we take off that. At

1378
01:08:48.520 --> 01:08:51.600
the moment that was ants one hundred percent tariff, the

1379
01:08:51.600 --> 01:08:55.239
stock market plunge because it's like that would hurt world trade.

1380
01:08:55.359 --> 01:08:58.000
I mean world trade. These are the two biggest countries

1381
01:08:58.000 --> 01:09:00.800
in the world, and if those two slowed, that effects

1382
01:09:00.840 --> 01:09:02.279
the entire world economy as well.

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01:09:02.800 --> 01:09:04.359
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noted that you know, people are at risk here because

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as this demand for GLP one medications skyrocket, patients are

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increasingly targeted with compound knockoffs that are not FDA approved

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are mass produced by the way using unverified foreign ingredients

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and marketed deceptively as personalized care. Well research is showing

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that patients using these products are twice as likely to

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be hospitalized compared with those on FDA approved treatments, underscoring

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urgent risk for millions of Americans seeking weight loss or

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diabetes care. Here to tell us more about it is

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leve Or Woan. She's a doctor of pharmacy, a current

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board member of the Alliance for Safe Online Pharmacies, and

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a former FDA official. Lee, welcome to show, Good to

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have you with us.

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Thank you so much for having me.

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Well, let's talk. I mean I kind of laid out

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a little bit of the background here hopefully I did. Okay,

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you're the doctor, so I yield to you. But let's

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talk about the risk of using a compounded non FDA

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approved weight loss medication.

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Yeah, you hit a lot of the high notes there.

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But one of the big things that is different between

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compounded and FDA approved products is that, you know, FDA

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does not assess compounded drugs. So what's really important to

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understand is that they're not assessed for quality, safety, and efficacy,

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and that poses a real and preventable risk for many patients.

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And as you say, the key here is preventable, right,

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and we want to I mean, our health is so critical,

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and why why do we want to take that risk?

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Right?

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Right?

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I think what we want patients to understand is that

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they have they have options, They have options and getting

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access to FDA approved drugs. And right now, mass compounders

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are creating knockoffs of untested with untested and unproven drugs

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with unnecessary ingredients, and they're falsely claiming that they're personalizing

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these products for individual patients and sometimes claiming that these

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products are approved. They are selling these through underregulated or

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illegal sites and completely bypassing safeguards meant to protect patients,

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and we're seeing the impact that this has on patients.

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You already indicated that that patients are twice is likely

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to be hospitalized, and that's really important and patients should

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keep that in mind, and we want patients to understand

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what that means for them. They have options though, they

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have options in using FDA approved products, and it's easy.

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They can go to the Alliance for Safe Online Pharmacies

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to get additional information on how to protect themselves.

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Right, Well, we're back to the old actually, m buyer beware, right.

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That is exactly right. Patients should make sure that they're

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talking to their healthcare provider before starting any medicine, and

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they should only use verified online pharmacies to dispense FDA

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approve GOOP ones. So that's what's really important. Make sure

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that their patients should make sure that they're informed and

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to stay informed, they can visit the Alliance for Safe

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Online Pharmacies at by safe rx dot Pharmacy.

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Well, le you know, people would say, patients would say, well,

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why why are they able to sell this?

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That's a great question. It's when I get from friends

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and family and neighbors. Compounding drugs play a role. Compounding

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is intended to fill a very narrow gap when an

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FDA approof medicine isn't available for a specific patient need.

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And right now, mass compounders are violating FDA rules by

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mass producing these knockoffs and pretending that they're personalized and

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sometimes flying and saying that they're a proof. So it's

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important for patients to understand that there is a role

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for compounding, but right now that mass compounders are violating

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FDA roles, and the safest thing that patients can do

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is to talk to their physicians and use fair or

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five pharmacies.

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You know.

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Unfortunately, when you get you know, for lack of a

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better word, some of these scams going and people being

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deceptive like this, I mean, it's a it's a game

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for them, I mean, you know, and they are utilizing

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tactics that you know, the everyday consumer may not be

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aware of. But it's all to catch them in their trap,

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isn't it.

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Yeah. Well, I think one of the what you might

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be pointing out is that patient safety has to comfort

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right that there needs more needs to be done, and

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what needs to happen is that FDA needs to step

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up their inspection and close some of those oversight gaps

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so it becomes a little bit easier for patient to

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know what they should do. So there needs to be

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enforcement to continue to prohibit online sales of unsafe compounded

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and goop ones. Because patients can do what they need

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to do. They need to consult their positions and their

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healthcare providers. But FDA plays a critical role in keeping

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patients safe. It doesn't just fall to patients to keep

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themselves safe.

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Yeah, and I understand that, you know, our first line

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of defenses us right, it's the informed patient.

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That's right. Patients should inform themselves. They need to make

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sure they understand what they should be doing. And that's

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You know, I really on behalf of our audience. I

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cannot thank you enough for doing this. I mean, because

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this is something I don't know we've ever heard much about,

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you know. I mean it makes sense because like anything

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that grows in popularity, like these drugs, you'll get knockoffs,

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You'll get people, you know, even outside of the country,

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invading the marketplace.

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Right, that's right. So right now we know for a

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fact that verified foreign suppliers are providing ingredients to these

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mass compounders, and so at any point when there's demand,

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there will be supply, and mass compounders or compounders are

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there to fill that need. And so it's really important

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for people to be informed and make sure that they're

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purchasing products from approved sources.

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So are you saying that even the supply chain to

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the compounders, that the ingredients that they're getting could be

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corrupted possibly.

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What we knowed. Yeah, So what we know is that

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mass compounders are using ingredients that may be unsterile or

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they may be misformulating. And seventy two percent of the

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foreign API suppliers cited by the Food and Drug Administration

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or violating safety standards and supplying the compounding pharmacies. So

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this is a really this is a real safety risk,

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and we want to make sure that as consumers are

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purchasing their products, they are purchasing products that are proved

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online source, are approved products, and getting it through verified sources.

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Lee, what was that percentage again of seventy two.

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Cited by the FDA or violating safety standards supply only

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compounding pharmacies.

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Well, it's no wonder. You know, the research is indicating

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that these products are twice as likely to lead a

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patient to be hospitalized.

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Yeah, I think it's not just about the source of

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The sourcing then results in a lack of stability, and

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so it's really important for patients to make sure that

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they are they are obtaining their products to verified online sites.

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If indeed they're purchasing through an online source, and so

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if they're not getting their products at a brick and

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understand where they could go to an online source and

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make sure that that is a verified online well.

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Lever Wat currently serves on the board of Directors for

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the Alliance for Safe Online pharmacies. As we wrap things

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up herely remind everybody where they can go for more

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Welcome morning, Welcome back. Bill Martinez here along with Steve Vonta.

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Steve is the publisher at the New American magazine. Mister Steve,

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how you doing.

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I'm just fine and I congratulations. You got my last

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01:26:59.199 --> 01:27:00.960
name right. Somebody you will call me boom Top.

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01:27:01.199 --> 01:27:03.960
But it well, well, I thought I thought you were

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01:27:03.960 --> 01:27:07.319
gonna make well. Actually it's doctor Steve Bonta to make

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01:27:07.319 --> 01:27:11.279
it official. Uh, but you know, we we appreciate whenever

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01:27:11.359 --> 01:27:15.520
we can have Steve's input here on the show. So yeah,

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01:27:15.560 --> 01:27:17.520
I've always known you, Steve Bonta. I don't I don't

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01:27:17.560 --> 01:27:19.640
know why anybody would say something else.

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01:27:21.399 --> 01:27:21.960
Yes, I don't know.

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01:27:22.000 --> 01:27:24.760
Well, certain other talk show hosts who show remain nameless, okay,

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01:27:25.000 --> 01:27:26.199
and to forget, but that's okay.

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I really appreciate Hey, as long as they call you,

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01:27:28.720 --> 01:27:31.359
I guess so as they say, Hey, we got some

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01:27:31.479 --> 01:27:34.000
serious things to talk about, and that is the global

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01:27:34.079 --> 01:27:38.399
economic order. Uh, that seems to be hanging in the

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balance here. Let's let's talk about that. Huh right now.

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I mean you've got this, uh, this battle is going on.

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01:27:44.479 --> 01:27:47.720
I mean, Trump is back in the White House. We're

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01:27:47.800 --> 01:27:52.560
making America great again, and and he's reclaiming and it's

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01:27:52.600 --> 01:27:57.000
amazing what he's doing in uh, on an international stage.

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Uh.

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01:27:57.680 --> 01:28:00.880
But meanwhile, China is not going away, and there's Russia.

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01:28:01.039 --> 01:28:04.279
Yeah, I mean, as far as economic power is concerned,

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01:28:04.920 --> 01:28:08.000
excuse me, the in my opinion, and obviously everyone has

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01:28:08.039 --> 01:28:09.960
an opinion. We'll see how it all shakes out. But

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I think that the the economic power of China and

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01:28:14.840 --> 01:28:20.239
Russia and the Bricks Group are somewhat overstated. I mean,

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Russia is primarily a producer of oil. They really don't

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01:28:25.119 --> 01:28:28.479
have much in the way of industries. It's not because

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01:28:28.520 --> 01:28:31.439
of their climate geography, you know, they're not. They're not

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01:28:31.920 --> 01:28:34.479
a great producer of agricultural stuff. They don't have they're not.

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They don't have a lot to offer financially speaking. So

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01:28:38.840 --> 01:28:40.760
it's primarily the oil. It's the issue as far as

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01:28:40.800 --> 01:28:44.840
Russia is concerned. China, its greatest asset is its people.

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In my opinion, the Chinese are uniquely hard working and

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01:28:48.960 --> 01:28:51.920
resourceful and so and that's kind of come to the

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01:28:51.960 --> 01:28:54.720
four in recent years. But but that said, that still

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01:28:54.720 --> 01:28:58.479
would not be enough to overcome the effects of collectivization

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01:28:58.720 --> 01:29:01.960
under the communist regime in China. What has happened has

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been that China has been the ultimate beneficiary of globalist

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01:29:07.319 --> 01:29:10.840
welfare thanks to its membership in the World Trade Organization

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and the preferential treatment that has enjoyed. And China has

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01:29:15.239 --> 01:29:17.239
been astute enough to take advantage of.

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01:29:17.119 --> 01:29:21.560
That, right exactly, I'm surprised that China hasn't built a

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01:29:21.560 --> 01:29:23.920
big statue with holy water coming out the ear of

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Bill Clinton.

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01:29:24.760 --> 01:29:27.279
Yeah, I mean, obviously Bill Clinton was really responsible for this.

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01:29:27.560 --> 01:29:32.119
What happened was that he was kind of dragooned into

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01:29:32.600 --> 01:29:35.079
by the Chinese. Well, to go back back in the

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01:29:34.640 --> 01:29:37.920
Clinton administration years, we may remember, there's a little thing

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01:29:37.960 --> 01:29:40.319
called the Kosovo War, and I think it was in

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01:29:40.319 --> 01:29:43.359
the Coast of O War. We accidentally dropped ordinance on

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01:29:43.439 --> 01:29:47.520
the Chinese embassy. And it was earlier than that, wasn't it. No,

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01:29:47.640 --> 01:29:49.439
it wasn't the Coast of War anyway, one of those

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01:29:49.479 --> 01:29:51.439
wars in the Balkans that we were involved in back

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01:29:51.439 --> 01:29:53.680
and the ice we dropped. We bombed the Chinese embassy

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01:29:54.159 --> 01:29:59.159
in Belgrade, apparently by mistake, and China was just obviously

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01:29:59.199 --> 01:30:01.720
furious about this. They had perhaps every right to be,

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01:30:02.319 --> 01:30:04.399
and so they went to Bill Clinton said, you know,

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01:30:04.439 --> 01:30:07.560
if you want to get nice with us again, here's

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01:30:07.560 --> 01:30:09.039
what you can do. You can get us into the

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01:30:09.079 --> 01:30:13.880
World Trade Organization with very very preferential treatment. And so

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01:30:13.880 --> 01:30:16.920
that's what Bill Clinton did. Effectively, he brought that to

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01:30:16.960 --> 01:30:21.199
pass because he felt guilty or responsible for the accidental

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01:30:21.239 --> 01:30:22.560
bombing of the Chinese embassy.

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Now wait a minute, you're saying Bill Clinton felt guilty, Well,

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I don't know, that's almost an oxymoron.

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01:30:27.520 --> 01:30:31.279
It's probably ascribing to him human traits that possess I

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01:30:31.319 --> 01:30:34.720
don't know. But for whatever reason, he was shamed into it.

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Call it what you will, but that was the leverage

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01:30:37.079 --> 01:30:39.159
that the Chinese used at the time to say, you

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owe us big for what happened. And so what we

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01:30:43.680 --> 01:30:47.560
ended up doing was making arm twisting the right people

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01:30:47.600 --> 01:30:50.479
and getting China into the World Trade Organization. And the rest,

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01:30:50.479 --> 01:30:54.399
as they say, is his history. Because China was treated

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01:30:55.239 --> 01:30:59.560
like a Chad, or mean the country Chad for a

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01:30:59.600 --> 01:31:01.800
Guinea or Zimbabwe or something like a like a third

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01:31:01.840 --> 01:31:05.000
world basket case. They were given all the preferential treatment

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01:31:06.439 --> 01:31:10.439
accorded to countries like that under the egalitarian Wto regime.

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01:31:10.920 --> 01:31:13.239
But in fact they're not that sort of country at all.

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01:31:13.319 --> 01:31:16.199
And and this this continues to be the case. They

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01:31:16.199 --> 01:31:18.960
continue to get all these lavish benefits as if there

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01:31:19.000 --> 01:31:23.000
were some sort of you know, third world basket case economy,

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01:31:23.119 --> 01:31:25.199
and in fact that the world's second largest economy. Now

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01:31:25.479 --> 01:31:28.840
they've got a massive amount of technology. Obviously, the manufacturing

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01:31:28.880 --> 01:31:32.439
bases second to none, thanks to the wilful exportation of

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01:31:32.439 --> 01:31:36.199
our own manufacturing exactly, and production to China. So you know,

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01:31:36.239 --> 01:31:38.439
I mean, you know, the Soviet Union back in the

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01:31:38.479 --> 01:31:41.239
day probably could have done the same thing, but frankly,

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01:31:41.239 --> 01:31:44.159
they weren't astute enough to do that. They were less

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01:31:44.199 --> 01:31:48.399
pragmatic than the Chinese, more driven by you know, ideology,

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01:31:48.399 --> 01:31:52.640
ideological puritanism as far as you know, the socialism are wheas.

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01:31:52.680 --> 01:31:56.520
The Chinese are ultimately always in everywhere, very pragmatic. And

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01:31:56.560 --> 01:31:58.359
they said, well, you know, here's a way we can

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01:31:58.359 --> 01:32:02.600
make money and and and ultimately become a powerhouse and

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01:32:02.840 --> 01:32:05.720
take down, you know, the evil United States. I mean,

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01:32:05.720 --> 01:32:07.760
they've never lost sight of that. That's always been exactly

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01:32:08.520 --> 01:32:10.920
right now. But my point being is, so I think

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01:32:10.960 --> 01:32:14.199
the Chinese threat is the most legitimate, not only economically

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01:32:14.239 --> 01:32:17.239
but also militarily. But I also think it's overstated because

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01:32:17.600 --> 01:32:21.960
it has been so dependent on Western and American largess.

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01:32:22.279 --> 01:32:24.640
And if that's removed, I mean, we're already seeing the

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01:32:24.640 --> 01:32:28.159
effects in China. The Chinese economy is in free fall

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01:32:28.399 --> 01:32:30.319
at the moment, not just the real estate sector. But

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01:32:30.520 --> 01:32:32.319
you know, my friends in Shanghai are telling me that

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01:32:32.600 --> 01:32:35.640
the city is practically a ghost town, all great you

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01:32:35.640 --> 01:32:37.319
know malls, And.

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01:32:37.079 --> 01:32:39.239
You said, you spent years in China, right, I mean,

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01:32:39.239 --> 01:32:39.880
how many years.

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01:32:39.720 --> 01:32:42.640
Did I lived in Shanghai? Lived and worked in Shanghai

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01:32:42.680 --> 01:32:45.960
for four years? Okay, I parted at a high school,

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01:32:46.039 --> 01:32:49.279
a private high school there and did pretty well. I mean,

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01:32:49.319 --> 01:32:52.439
you know, I mean the Chinese at the time paid

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01:32:52.439 --> 01:32:54.479
foreign teachers very well. And there's a reason a lot

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01:32:54.520 --> 01:32:56.880
of people went to teach in China, because if teaching

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01:32:56.960 --> 01:32:58.880
is your calling in life, you ain't never going to

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01:32:58.920 --> 01:33:00.680
make much money out of here in the United States.

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01:33:01.520 --> 01:33:04.439
But in certain places, particularly China and some of the

1817
01:33:04.680 --> 01:33:07.119
you know, like the UAE in the Middle East and

1818
01:33:07.640 --> 01:33:10.479
Saui Arabia, if you can, if you can stand living

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01:33:10.720 --> 01:33:13.159
in a culture so different from ours, you can actually

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01:33:13.159 --> 01:33:15.800
do quite well well. In China, that's no longer the case.

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01:33:15.840 --> 01:33:18.960
They've actually post COVID have pretty much locked, you know,

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01:33:19.000 --> 01:33:21.640
shut down. You know, they don't want foreigners coming there

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01:33:21.640 --> 01:33:24.720
except as casual tourists anymore. It's very much they're very

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01:33:24.800 --> 01:33:27.680
much back into the old paranoid kind of they're not

1825
01:33:27.760 --> 01:33:30.239
quite back to Maoism full blown malism, but they're heading

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01:33:30.279 --> 01:33:32.920
in that direction. As she Jinping lives and stays in

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01:33:32.920 --> 01:33:35.000
power for another ten or fifteen years, you know, China

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01:33:35.159 --> 01:33:38.000
is going to be back to to to those kinds

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01:33:38.039 --> 01:33:38.720
of conditions.

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Right well, Steve, as you say, Donald Trump seems to have,

1831
01:33:44.319 --> 01:33:47.239
you know, some very effective cards in this game here,

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and he's putting pressure on China. I mean, they're feeling,

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01:33:51.520 --> 01:33:53.399
you know, as you say, they're feeling the pain of

1834
01:33:53.439 --> 01:33:56.159
what's going on in this bit of a trade war

1835
01:33:56.279 --> 01:34:00.520
you can call it. And you know, are they so

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01:34:00.680 --> 01:34:05.680
ideologically fixed because as you say, their temperament has you know,

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01:34:05.800 --> 01:34:09.039
has restricted them a bit right now. And this may

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01:34:09.079 --> 01:34:12.279
be problematic in resolving this issue. But I think as

1839
01:34:12.319 --> 01:34:15.880
push comes to shove, they you know, they're dealing with

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01:34:15.920 --> 01:34:19.239
the reality of their choices that they've made. So they've

1841
01:34:19.239 --> 01:34:22.319
got to find some way to find some middle ground here,

1842
01:34:22.479 --> 01:34:24.079
I mean, for the sake of their own people, do

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01:34:24.119 --> 01:34:24.359
they not?

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01:34:24.600 --> 01:34:27.039
Well? I mean that may actually be decided this week.

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01:34:27.239 --> 01:34:31.279
Even as we speak, the Fourth Party cleanary session is

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01:34:31.359 --> 01:34:34.479
going on, and of course in China, all these things

1847
01:34:34.520 --> 01:34:36.960
are very very secretive. There are no press conferences and

1848
01:34:37.000 --> 01:34:38.560
nobody knows going on. But there's been a lot of

1849
01:34:38.560 --> 01:34:42.439
speculation that Hi Jinping may have suffered some serious health

1850
01:34:42.479 --> 01:34:45.479
setbacks this year, may have even had a stroke of

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01:34:45.520 --> 01:34:50.640
some sort, and that he has been perhaps by other

1852
01:34:50.720 --> 01:34:52.800
party elders, a lot of his power has been stripped

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01:34:52.800 --> 01:34:56.760
away behind the scenes, and the truth or not of

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01:34:56.840 --> 01:35:00.640
those claims may be laid bare this week, because it

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01:35:00.720 --> 01:35:05.319
is possible that he could emerge from this meeting with

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01:35:05.439 --> 01:35:08.840
less power or not. It's hard to know. I tend

1857
01:35:08.840 --> 01:35:10.319
to be skeptical of also. I think a lot of

1858
01:35:10.359 --> 01:35:12.800
that is is aspirational thinking on the part of people

1859
01:35:12.840 --> 01:35:15.760
who desperately want to see Chi Jinping, you know, exit

1860
01:35:15.800 --> 01:35:19.319
stage left. I have a sneaking suspicion he's going to

1861
01:35:19.359 --> 01:35:23.000
be around for a while and he is more I mean,

1862
01:35:23.359 --> 01:35:25.920
he really doesn't understand economics very well. And in fact,

1863
01:35:26.000 --> 01:35:28.560
he recently a couple of years ago oft the guy

1864
01:35:28.600 --> 01:35:31.880
who did his Lee Ka Chang who was kind of

1865
01:35:31.880 --> 01:35:35.319
his rival and did have some understanding of economics, and

1866
01:35:35.760 --> 01:35:39.880
then died mysteriously and drowned while he was swimming in

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01:35:39.920 --> 01:35:43.119
a pool in Shanghai, And everybody in China knows that

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01:35:43.199 --> 01:35:45.359
he was basically done in at Chi Jinping's words, So

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01:35:45.439 --> 01:35:49.319
he's gone, and Chi Jinping is just purged the military

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01:35:49.399 --> 01:35:52.239
again for the umpteenth time, of a number of people

1871
01:35:52.359 --> 01:35:54.279
at least it's supposed to be him, but no one's

1872
01:35:54.279 --> 01:35:56.600
actually sure. It might be his rivals that did this.

1873
01:35:56.840 --> 01:35:58.279
That because a lot of the people who were purged,

1874
01:35:58.279 --> 01:36:02.439
including the number two general in the PLA, we're actually

1875
01:36:03.239 --> 01:36:06.039
his his political allies, and we're pointed by him. So

1876
01:36:06.079 --> 01:36:08.119
it's really hard to know what's going on behind the

1877
01:36:08.159 --> 01:36:10.840
scenes right now, but it is I think pretty much

1878
01:36:10.880 --> 01:36:16.000
certain that Shi Jinping is a gimlet eyed communist ideologue.

1879
01:36:16.760 --> 01:36:19.960
He's not as much of a pragmatist as Hu Jintao

1880
01:36:20.319 --> 01:36:24.680
his predecessor, or John zim In before him, who kind

1881
01:36:24.680 --> 01:36:26.840
of had this idea of yeah, yeah, let's uh, you know,

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01:36:26.920 --> 01:36:29.319
let's make hay and let's let's indulge can make money

1883
01:36:29.359 --> 01:36:31.439
because that's what we Chinese are good at, and you know,

1884
01:36:31.479 --> 01:36:33.920
the communism is cool, but let's let's do this now.

1885
01:36:34.159 --> 01:36:37.319
And King has said, no, no, let's we're communists, let's

1886
01:36:37.319 --> 01:36:37.920
go back to that.

1887
01:36:38.279 --> 01:36:41.159
And yes, so China, let's stick to our knitting, as

1888
01:36:41.159 --> 01:36:42.880
they would say, we got to go to a quick break.

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01:36:42.920 --> 01:36:44.760
We've got more from Steve Bonta on the other side,

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01:36:44.800 --> 01:36:45.399
stay with us.

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You just about fourteen minutes before the top of the

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r I'm Bill Martinezzy Steve Bonta, the publisher of the

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New American magazine. Well, to put a bow around this

1969
01:41:00.760 --> 01:41:04.000
China deal is that, you know, I've always thought, Steve,

1970
01:41:04.520 --> 01:41:06.920
they're somewhat limited. I mean, as powerful as they are

1971
01:41:06.920 --> 01:41:10.479
and as population and as you say, hard working and

1972
01:41:10.960 --> 01:41:14.199
you know, committed, I guess committed. I mean they're they're

1973
01:41:14.239 --> 01:41:17.119
really you have no choice in China. You've got to

1974
01:41:17.159 --> 01:41:20.119
be on the team or you're off the team. It's

1975
01:41:20.159 --> 01:41:26.399
pretty binary. But you know they ever really embraced, you know,

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01:41:26.439 --> 01:41:30.279
an American form of capitalism and liberated their people. I mean,

1977
01:41:30.319 --> 01:41:32.560
they could be a forced, really a true force to

1978
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contend with absolutely.

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I don't I don't know if that will happen anytime soon.

1980
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And you know, and China does have certain geographical limitations

1981
01:41:40.680 --> 01:41:42.039
that we don't have. For one thing, they don't have,

1982
01:41:43.199 --> 01:41:45.800
you know, petroleum and natural gas reserves. They're pretty much

1983
01:41:45.960 --> 01:41:50.319
utterly dependent on other countries like Russia to service their

1984
01:41:50.600 --> 01:41:53.840
energy needs. So that's a thing. And also, you know,

1985
01:41:54.199 --> 01:41:57.159
although China is very similar in size and in some

1986
01:41:57.239 --> 01:42:02.079
senses in physical geography to the United States, it does

1987
01:42:02.119 --> 01:42:04.760
not have the maritime accessibility that we do thanks to

1988
01:42:04.800 --> 01:42:08.000
the so called First Island Chain, which kind of completely

1989
01:42:08.199 --> 01:42:12.479
hamless China in and has present prevented them historically from

1990
01:42:12.479 --> 01:42:16.760
becoming a naval power because there's you know, there's there's

1991
01:42:16.880 --> 01:42:19.920
Japan and Taiwan and the Philippines and further south, you know,

1992
01:42:19.920 --> 01:42:22.319
Borneo and so forth. That all kind of act as

1993
01:42:22.319 --> 01:42:25.079
a buffer and keep China more inwardly focused. So they're

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01:42:25.079 --> 01:42:28.680
fanatically concerned with controlling the South China Sea and the

1995
01:42:28.680 --> 01:42:30.600
East China Sea and all of this. And they would

1996
01:42:30.600 --> 01:42:33.159
dearly love to become a great Pacific power like the

1997
01:42:33.199 --> 01:42:36.239
United States is and like Imperial Japan was in the day.

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01:42:36.520 --> 01:42:39.000
But they're limited by the fact that they can't. You know,

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01:42:39.039 --> 01:42:41.680
they're building all these ships, but getting them out there

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into the field of play is something else.

2001
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So well, you're right, they've been building a lot of ships,

2002
01:42:46.760 --> 01:42:49.560
but those that know say that their ships are pretty

2003
01:42:50.479 --> 01:42:51.399
pretty inferior.

2004
01:42:52.239 --> 01:42:54.560
Well yeah, and I get the thing is Again, having

2005
01:42:54.600 --> 01:42:56.800
having lived in China, I can tell you this, the

2006
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Chinese are very good at reverse engineering, which I mean

2007
01:43:00.239 --> 01:43:02.079
reversing it. For example, back in two thousand and one

2008
01:43:02.119 --> 01:43:04.239
and spring of two thousand and one, the year who

2009
01:43:04.279 --> 01:43:06.800
won members for the terrorist attacks. The big international crisis

2010
01:43:06.840 --> 01:43:09.479
prior to that was the so called Hainan incident, where

2011
01:43:09.520 --> 01:43:14.319
the Chinese literally forced down a US military plane reconnaissance

2012
01:43:14.319 --> 01:43:18.840
plane which was flying in international airspace over South China Sea.

2013
01:43:19.439 --> 01:43:22.319
A Chinese plane came up, collided with the wing. The

2014
01:43:22.359 --> 01:43:25.159
plane was forced to land on Hainan Island, and the

2015
01:43:25.279 --> 01:43:28.119
US was like this close to doing something about it

2016
01:43:28.159 --> 01:43:31.079
in a serious way. China returned the plane and the

2017
01:43:31.119 --> 01:43:33.520
crew returned the plane and crates. Basically they took it apart,

2018
01:43:33.920 --> 01:43:36.840
figured out how it was made. So they can do that, right,

2019
01:43:37.319 --> 01:43:40.880
they can acquire a foreign piece of military hardware or

2020
01:43:40.920 --> 01:43:42.880
a car or a computer or a cell phone or

2021
01:43:42.920 --> 01:43:45.159
something like that, and see what the pieces are and

2022
01:43:45.199 --> 01:43:48.159
how they're milled and fit together and reverse engineering. But

2023
01:43:48.319 --> 01:43:51.479
it's much harder to do that with the engineering that

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01:43:51.640 --> 01:43:54.279
really counts, and that's the materials science.

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Okay.

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01:43:55.279 --> 01:43:57.960
One of the striking things about living in China is

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you can go to the store and you can buy

2028
01:44:00.840 --> 01:44:04.319
an appliance, a toaster, a microwave, oven, a space heater,

2029
01:44:04.600 --> 01:44:08.680
something like this, and then marvel at how quickly the

2030
01:44:08.720 --> 01:44:11.520
elements burn out, like I think. I think we went

2031
01:44:11.560 --> 01:44:14.279
through like four space heaters in the space of one

2032
01:44:14.319 --> 01:44:19.079
winter in Shanghai because because because the plastics and the

2033
01:44:19.119 --> 01:44:23.319
metals and the ceramics that make up are not up

2034
01:44:23.359 --> 01:44:26.279
to par with Western standards, and there's really no way

2035
01:44:26.319 --> 01:44:29.600
to reverse engineer that stuff. So if you apply that

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01:44:29.640 --> 01:44:32.359
to military hardware. Now, I've not been in the military.

2037
01:44:32.359 --> 01:44:34.520
I'm not a great expert on military avionics in this,

2038
01:44:34.600 --> 01:44:37.039
but I do know this. When you put a fourth

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01:44:37.119 --> 01:44:41.520
or fifth generation so called you know, combat aircraft into

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01:44:41.560 --> 01:44:45.560
a real fight where it's experiencing major g forces, it

2041
01:44:45.560 --> 01:44:47.199
has to do all this stuff. You know, it's one

2042
01:44:47.199 --> 01:44:49.119
thing to say, Okay, we've got the j twenty and

2043
01:44:49.159 --> 01:44:51.680
it can fly at fifteen hundred miles an hour. You know,

2044
01:44:51.720 --> 01:44:54.920
Mac two Plum has all this stuff, but that's something

2045
01:44:55.000 --> 01:44:58.479
very different from putting it in an actual kinetic combat

2046
01:44:58.520 --> 01:45:02.640
situation exactly if the steel that holds it together is

2047
01:45:02.680 --> 01:45:04.960
as strong, and you can you can find videos of

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01:45:04.960 --> 01:45:09.399
people that test like modern Chinese made steal There's one

2049
01:45:09.439 --> 01:45:11.920
where they have they have this big gum hydraulic press

2050
01:45:12.239 --> 01:45:15.960
and they the US made a sledgehammer head steal sens

2051
01:45:16.039 --> 01:45:19.119
from like nineteen forty or something, and it takes a

2052
01:45:19.159 --> 01:45:22.439
tremendous amount of pressure to actually, you know, to crush

2053
01:45:22.479 --> 01:45:25.239
that thing, whereas a modern Chinese made one just goes

2054
01:45:25.279 --> 01:45:27.880
little bit like that, you know. And so so these

2055
01:45:27.880 --> 01:45:31.399
are subtle things that people realize. It's one thing to say, Okay,

2056
01:45:31.399 --> 01:45:34.399
we're gonna we're gonna copy you know, the F twenty

2057
01:45:34.439 --> 01:45:36.600
two and the F thirty five, and we're gonna do

2058
01:45:36.680 --> 01:45:38.079
all this type of thing, and we're gonna have a

2059
01:45:38.279 --> 01:45:40.560
you know, fifth generation fighter jet of our own. But

2060
01:45:40.640 --> 01:45:42.479
it's another thing that he have It are the materials

2061
01:45:42.520 --> 01:45:46.199
you're using of the same quality, and they're not They're.

2062
01:45:46.039 --> 01:45:49.000
Great at copying, but they're not great at originating, you know,

2063
01:45:49.199 --> 01:45:50.239
is what we're seeing.

2064
01:45:50.840 --> 01:45:52.640
And I have some very brilliant friends in China who

2065
01:45:52.680 --> 01:45:54.760
say the same thing. They say, one fellow I know

2066
01:45:54.880 --> 01:45:59.439
is a brilliant physicist and he HEAs you know, the

2067
01:45:59.439 --> 01:46:01.760
problem is the reason in spite of all we have,

2068
01:46:01.760 --> 01:46:03.199
we have lots of people in China who are good

2069
01:46:03.199 --> 01:46:04.760
at math and good at physics and good at engineering.

2070
01:46:04.800 --> 01:46:07.439
So but they but but that, but that that innovative

2071
01:46:07.840 --> 01:46:10.479
streak you know, there are they don't prove a lot

2072
01:46:10.520 --> 01:46:14.279
of Nobel Prize winners and never produced Thomas Edison and

2073
01:46:14.399 --> 01:46:17.800
Alexander Graham Bell, people of that kidney who truly or

2074
01:46:17.800 --> 01:46:20.640
even Elon Musk, you know, who who have that ability

2075
01:46:20.800 --> 01:46:22.840
to innovate and and and make changes.

2076
01:46:24.119 --> 01:46:26.960
This is what makes America great, Steve, because where else

2077
01:46:27.000 --> 01:46:29.520
can you go and have this kind of opportunity. I mean,

2078
01:46:29.640 --> 01:46:31.520
even after World War Two, you had a lot of

2079
01:46:31.560 --> 01:46:34.560
geniuses there in Germany. And what happened, you know, we

2080
01:46:34.640 --> 01:46:36.680
brought them to the United States and this is what

2081
01:46:36.760 --> 01:46:39.039
allowed us to win the war in World War two

2082
01:46:39.399 --> 01:46:43.039
and uh, you know and develop uh you know the

2083
01:46:43.079 --> 01:46:44.960
atomic bomb and weaponry, right.

2084
01:46:45.279 --> 01:46:46.880
Yeah, yeah, And I mean I mean, you know and again.

2085
01:46:47.239 --> 01:46:50.359
I mean, the Chinese people are are remarkably intelligent, as

2086
01:46:50.760 --> 01:46:52.640
you know, they're they're great at engineering stuff like this.

2087
01:46:52.720 --> 01:46:56.079
But that, but that creative spark which comes from the

2088
01:46:56.159 --> 01:47:00.720
individualism enshrined in our culture, I think exactly, it is lacking.

2089
01:47:01.039 --> 01:47:03.039
And so you know, so as a result, you know,

2090
01:47:03.039 --> 01:47:04.920
they're always going to be hamstrung as long as they

2091
01:47:04.920 --> 01:47:08.079
cling to their their collectivist ideals you know, socialism with

2092
01:47:08.159 --> 01:47:09.840
Chinese characteristics and all that type of thing.

2093
01:47:09.960 --> 01:47:13.680
Yeah, so I agree with you. I find it limiting.

2094
01:47:13.720 --> 01:47:15.960
And I think, you know, in another topic that we

2095
01:47:16.000 --> 01:47:17.359
want to talk about, and we've got about four and

2096
01:47:17.399 --> 01:47:18.920
a half minutes left, I want to get to it

2097
01:47:19.279 --> 01:47:21.840
because this ties into it in a way, and that's

2098
01:47:21.880 --> 01:47:24.800
the issue of free speech. To me, that's foundational to

2099
01:47:24.920 --> 01:47:25.600
our intellect.

2100
01:47:25.720 --> 01:47:28.720
Well, yes, and Bill, here's the thing. Freedom is messy.

2101
01:47:28.840 --> 01:47:31.319
You know, freedom can often be I was called, what

2102
01:47:31.439 --> 01:47:37.079
was it, the Jeffersonian phrases, the tempestuous see of liberty. Yes,

2103
01:47:37.199 --> 01:47:40.279
it's to be preferred to the calm of despotism. And

2104
01:47:40.840 --> 01:47:41.960
that is so true.

2105
01:47:42.199 --> 01:47:44.159
Oh my goodness, I love it. Yes, exactly, I'm glad

2106
01:47:44.199 --> 01:47:46.439
you reminded me of that. This is why I'm just

2107
01:47:46.479 --> 01:47:50.680
so anti partisanship. I just you know, I agree with

2108
01:47:50.720 --> 01:47:53.600
the first President of the United States, George Washington, when

2109
01:47:53.600 --> 01:47:56.479
he warned us about partisanship and parties and that sort

2110
01:47:56.520 --> 01:48:01.159
of thing, because that, I mean, it's messy enough without partisanship.

2111
01:48:01.359 --> 01:48:05.520
Obviously, the founders were opposed to factions as well. I

2112
01:48:05.520 --> 01:48:08.439
don't know that we're ever going to progress morally to

2113
01:48:08.479 --> 01:48:11.039
the point where we decide, okay, we don't need these

2114
01:48:11.079 --> 01:48:13.199
parties anymore. You know, it's going to be a perpetual

2115
01:48:13.359 --> 01:48:15.359
era of good feelings and all of that. But go

2116
01:48:15.399 --> 01:48:17.479
on line. You see these videos of people getting each

2117
01:48:17.479 --> 01:48:20.920
other's faces at these rallies, and your first SIVI is,

2118
01:48:21.000 --> 01:48:25.000
oh boy, why are people so obnoxious? It's offensive. However,

2119
01:48:25.239 --> 01:48:27.640
that's the nature of freedom. No, And of course that's

2120
01:48:27.680 --> 01:48:30.600
the problem. That's that's always been the Achilles heel of

2121
01:48:30.680 --> 01:48:33.760
free or what Popper called the open society, right, and

2122
01:48:33.800 --> 01:48:36.760
it's always exploited by the left, by by the collectivists,

2123
01:48:37.640 --> 01:48:40.560
is they say, well, you know, look how unstable it is,

2124
01:48:40.600 --> 01:48:43.279
Look how easy it is to divide people, you know,

2125
01:48:43.359 --> 01:48:45.840
to to promote tribalism in this kind of thing. And

2126
01:48:45.880 --> 01:48:48.840
we're seeing that certainly in the United States to a

2127
01:48:48.880 --> 01:48:51.840
fault now that we have become a deeply divided country,

2128
01:48:52.279 --> 01:48:54.560
and that does not bode well. I mean, at a

2129
01:48:54.560 --> 01:49:00.199
certain point, yes, we should be disagreeing and debating, and

2130
01:49:00.239 --> 01:49:02.199
that's all all the free free speech. But when it

2131
01:49:02.239 --> 01:49:05.399
gets to the point where there can be no accommodation,

2132
01:49:05.880 --> 01:49:10.319
no middle ground, no compromise, no agreement, and you know

2133
01:49:10.359 --> 01:49:13.439
one side in particular is literally out for blood, then

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you have a problem. And I think kind of in

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that terrain.

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Now, well exactly, and especially where you're talking about the

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potential of global control of free speech. I mean, maybe

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some of the conversation we had this morning, if they

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picked up on it in London and you and I

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happened to fly into London, we could get arrested.

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Oh absolutely, yeah, and sure this is I just wrote

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an article on global censorship, which is very much a thing,

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and by censorship we mean primarily censorship of the Internet,

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since it's the primary vehicle for speech for expression now,

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and that has that has come about in mostly because

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the United States very unwisely succumbed to the siren song

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of what was called privatization of the Internet. Okay, and

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what it wasn't privatization. Of what they did was they

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turned it into a global asset and so Icon, which

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was an affiliate of the US government that controlled the

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01:50:05.680 --> 01:50:08.119
ultimate you know, the root code file, all the stuff,

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the access to the Internet because it was primarily an

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American invention, right.

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Right, that's what that's what Obama gave away for nothing.

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Bama gave away and it's no accident that literally within

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01:50:18.760 --> 01:50:22.359
months after it's trends, it was in October twenty sixteen,

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it was officially transferred to the United Nations, to the

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Global Power, it became the Global Commons, so to speak.

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01:50:31.359 --> 01:50:33.880
And literally within months of that we started seeing these

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these UK's is coming down. Okay, now you know you

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01:50:36.880 --> 01:50:39.439
need to moderate your content, you know you need to

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01:50:40.439 --> 01:50:41.880
this is this kind of thing, and YouTube and all

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01:50:41.880 --> 01:50:44.319
these you know, Facebook and all the rest cracking down

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and hate speech. We got to get rid of hate speech,

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and of course that means the awful Orange Man and

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01:50:48.840 --> 01:50:51.479
the terrible things that he's saying and all that started,

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you know, late twenty sixteen, twenty seventeen, that's when it

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all began, and it's what's been ever since. And by

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censorship we mean primarily censorship of the Internet, since it's

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the primary vehicle for speech for expression now and that

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01:51:06.119 --> 01:51:10.359
has that has come about in mostly because the United

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01:51:10.399 --> 01:51:14.000
States very unwisely succumbed to the siren song of what

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01:51:14.079 --> 01:51:17.199
was called privatization of the Internet, okay, and what it

2174
01:51:17.239 --> 01:51:19.600
wasn't privatization of What they did was they turned it

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01:51:19.640 --> 01:51:23.359
into a global asset, and so icon which was an

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affiliate of the US government that controlled the ultimate you know,

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01:51:26.560 --> 01:51:28.560
the root code file, all the stuff, the access to

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the Internet because it was primarily an American invention.

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Right right, that's what that's what Obama gave away for nothing.

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01:51:34.960 --> 01:51:38.560
Moama gave away and it's no accident that literally within

2181
01:51:38.640 --> 01:51:42.239
months after its trends, it was in October twenty sixteen,

2182
01:51:42.479 --> 01:51:46.399
it was officially transferred to the United Nations, to the

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01:51:46.680 --> 01:51:51.199
Global power. It became the Global Commons, so to speak.

2184
01:51:51.199 --> 01:51:53.760
And literally within months of that we started seeing these

2185
01:51:54.079 --> 01:51:56.680
these UK's is coming down. Okay, now you know you

2186
01:51:56.720 --> 01:51:59.319
need to moderate your content, you know you need to

2187
01:52:00.319 --> 01:52:01.760
this is this kind of thing, and YouTube and all

2188
01:52:01.760 --> 01:52:04.399
these you know, Facebook and all erectly go cracking down

2189
01:52:04.199 --> 01:52:06.319
and hate speech. We got to get rid of hate

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01:52:06.319 --> 01:52:08.600
speech and of course that means the awful Orange Man

2191
01:52:08.640 --> 01:52:11.359
and the terrible things that he's saying, and all that started,

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01:52:12.039 --> 01:52:14.760
you know, late twenty sixteen, twenty seventeen, that's when it

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01:52:14.760 --> 01:52:17.239
all began, and it's pretty the young what's been ever since.

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Got to have you back, because we're going to spend

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a lot more time with that, and there's no doubt.

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Steve Bonta, publisher of The New American magazine, Steve, how

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can they subscribe?

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Oh well, just go to the New American dot com

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