Oct. 21, 2025

The Bill Martinez Show 10 21 25

The Bill Martinez Show 10 21 25
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The Bill Martinez Show 10 21 25
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Are you ready?

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Yeah?

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OK, do it?

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Bill Martinez Live a program about current events, our culture,

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our values, our politics, and our future.

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And now Bill Martinez.

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Six minutes after the top of the arcad Morning America.

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Bill Martinez here with George Barna. Doctor George, how.

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Are you doing well? Good to see you, Bill.

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If things calm down there in the neighborhood after all

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the festivities the memorial, I mean, when was the last

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time you saw so many people go to a church

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service that lasted over four hours? George?

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Yeah, yeah, and it wasn't a black congregation. So I

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recently got back from Africa. That's fairly common over there,

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but it's able here.

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So yeah, that's that was a heck of a day.

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Yeah, with without a doubt. And for some people, you know,

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they were they were in line, they were cueued up

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at two o'clock in the morning, you know, to make

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sure that they got a seat, and they turned away

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thousands because there just wasn't enough room at the end.

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But you know, it's I think we're still looking to

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hear the numbers of actual viewers they had. But no

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doubt when you think about you know, God said there's

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going to be that time when the Gospel goes out

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to all the ends of the earth. And I think

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we got pretty close here, George.

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And you know, the thing that I was thinking about

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last week was why would the Lord take Charlie now

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or allow him to be taken? Because his ministry was growing,

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it was flourishing, it was reaching more and more people.

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It's like, why would you take somebody then? And I

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don't know if this is right, but it occurred to me, Well,

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the Lord knows all, he can see all, and so

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it must mean that he realized by Charlie being murdered

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at that time, this time, it would have a greater

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impact than all the coming forty years or so of

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Charlie's ministry combined. And now his wife and others will

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be able to pick up that, you know, baton and

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keep running the race for him. But yeah, I mean

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it's I just think we've been talking about renewal and

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revival for so many years and it's always kind of

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petered out. I think this may be a different situation

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because of the nature of the dynamics of who was taken,

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how he was taken, and how the church has responded.

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And you bring up something here, and that is that

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sometimes people underestimate the price of revival. And you and

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I talked about this before, is that people are quick

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to talk about revival and going are you ready for this?

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I mean you're talking, Hey, we got to put it

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all on the down the line and understand that we've

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all fallen short of the glory of God. What does

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that mean? Well, what does it mean to be sinful? Well,

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when you come face to face with the glory of God,

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then you're like Isaiah God, I'm toast right.

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Yeah, And last week I wrote an article about all

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of this, saying, man, we've been praying and waiting for

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revival and now we've got a lot of people interested.

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But it could be just like September eleventh.

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That's what I'm afraid of exactly. I'm glad you brought

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that up.

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Go ahead, Yeah, because when we did the research back

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then two thousand and one, and we were looking at

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what happened right after the attacks, churches were flooded, they

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couldn't hold all the people. There was such fear and

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anxiety and doubt and questioning and hope and all kinds

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of emotions, and people were coming there to say, Okay,

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what do I make of all this exactly. And after

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six weeks started at about the four week mark, started

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to tail off, and after six weeks we were back

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at pre attack levels, and right after that we were

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actually a little bit lower. So my fear here is

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that we did not learn the lesson about what it

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takes to actually have revival, which is that once we

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people's interest to the Holy Spirit does something to get

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people interested on coming on board. It's not just well, great,

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we'll open up the doors and do business as usual.

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There's got to be a whole different approach the church

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in America. For the last at least forty years that

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I've been researching, it really has not been about making disciples.

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And I think that's why when we've had these moments

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in time where the Holy Spirit stirs something and people say, yeah,

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help me, Lord, you know, who are you, Where are you?

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What are you? What are you doing?

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We're not there to come alongside these people and guide

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them through the process, much like Philip did with the

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Ethiopian eunuch. I mean, there's got to be somebody there

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to explain it to them. That's what the eunuch was saying.

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Who would explain this to me? And so Philip went

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on the ride with them. That's what we've got to do.

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We've got to get on the ride with them and

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accompany them through this process of understanding who God is,

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who Jesus was, why he died. Our sin means, what

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salvation is about, what a disciple is, what that life

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looks like, what it takes to maintain that over time,

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what the community of believers is about. I mean, there's

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so many things that have to be unpacked. It's not

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just enough to have them come in, say the prayer,

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and walk out the back door and say job well done.

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It's not a job well done. We've probably done those

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people a greater disservice because at that point they think

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they got all the goods. Why wouldn't the Christians have

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told me everything, shown me, everything, delivered everything that I

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needed at that moment in time. Why would they leave

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me a half baked spiritual being and feel like they

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did the job and everything's fine. So that's my big

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fear for this moment in time for the church here.

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I share that with you, and we've been talking about

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it on our show as well, because I've put it

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in the context of branding. You know, what's the brand

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of your church? Is it consistent with a biblical worldview

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that you and I've been talking about. What ever since

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you and I met, I mean, you know, it's like

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fifteen seventeen years now and we've been beating this drum,

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and I just see that just as Charlie saw that

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the whole process and and everything involved with a person's

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life made in the image of God and the higher

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calling for each one of us was freedom, that is

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God guaranteed. But away from God you lose the guarantee.

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The warranty expires.

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Right, Yeah, absolutely, But how many churches would you hear

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that in? I mean, think about the COVID era, where

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churches were not only willing to close, but then when

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they opened up, there really wasn't any discussion about what

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freedom means, what freedom takes, you know, what our responsibility

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is in that process, why God wants us to be free,

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what it looks like. So, I mean, those weren't the

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conversations that were taking place. I'm privileged to go to

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the church where Rob McCoy was pastor. He was the

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guy that opened up the memorial service yesterday, and Charlie,

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you know, called Rob his pastor, and Charlie would come

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and speak at our church sometimes. But you know, I

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mean Rob would talk about that all the time because

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he understood this is the nature of the times.

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You have to understand the times and know what exactly.

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Like the Brothers is a car exact absolutely.

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Yes, But there were very few churches like that. There

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were some, and God bless them, and you know, they exploded.

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They did great because people were hearing something that wasn't

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tickling their ears, it was challenging their souls. And that's

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what we need now is pastors who are going to

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stand there and challenge us to say, you know, it's

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not my job as the pastor to bring these people

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in and to do all the work of you know,

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justification and sanctification in their lives. It's us as a community.

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That's why we're a community. We do this together. And

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so anyone who's a disciple, wow, this is an exciting time,

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you know, I asked, I asked them. Based on our research,

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only three percent of adults in America fit the criteria

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Jesus gave us for being disciples. That three percent, now,

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is is the hinge point about the for the future

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of America. If we actually serve the Kingdom of God

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appropriately during this point in time. America will survive, America

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will thrive. If we don't, America's in trouble.

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Well, we've been in trouble for a long time. And

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you know we're down to that conversation between Abraham and

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the Spirit of God in saving You know, is there

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a possibility to save Sodom and Gomorrah? You know, how

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about if you find fifty, if you find forty, if

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you find you know, all the way down to five, right,

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and we're the numbers are are getting less and less.

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By God's grace and mercy. You know, we've been given

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an opportunity and pray that we we don't waste it.

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I mean, you know the profits that came to the

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children of Israel, what did they do to the profits?

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We're back with your nineteen minutes after the top of

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the hour, Bill Martinez here with the one and only

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George Barnett, the director of Research at Arizona Christian University's

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Cultural Research Center and the author of raising spiritual champion

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is George. You know, you touched on something that is

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just so important here, and that is that this is

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Jesus's church first, right, Second, he sent the Holy Spirit

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to empower the growth and maintain that the spiritual dynamic

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of the church. If I'm hearing you correctly, this is

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my takeaway. Somebody say, okay, you talk to George. What

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do you say this? This is my takeaway from one

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of hearing you, is that the churches, more than ever

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have got to seek the Holy Spirit. This is a

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movement of God. You've got to get in tune. I

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see guitars in the background. You know, we got to

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tune up. We got to tune up to the you know,

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to the Holy Spirit. Where are you going, Lord, not

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my will, Your will be done. That's what Charlie prayed.

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Yeah, and I think the challenge that we've had for

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the last four decades again that's as long as I've

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been measuring it. But during that point of time, we've

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been trying to do it our way. Yeah, you know,

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and essentially are way is, you know, what we can

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market people into the Kingdom of God, and so we're

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going to figure out what their felt needs are and

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we're going to pander to their felt needs as opposed

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to recognizing. Now, let's look at it from God's point

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of view, where sinners in need of a savior, We

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are weak people in need of the strength of God,

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and so he'll send the Holy Spirit. We are hopeless

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without Jesus. And that's a message that doesn't flum it.

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You know, recently I wrote an article I was alluding

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to what I thought was a huge eye opening study

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that Pew did about six or seven years ago, and

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they found that they did a national sampling of sermons

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that were preaching across the country found that only three

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percent of sermons mentioned sin during the course of those sermons. Now,

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when you've got ninety seven out of one hundred spiritual

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outposts in America that refused to diagnose the primary disease

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that's killing every one of us sin and instead want

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to talk about things that make us happy, make us

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want to come back, make us do all the things

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that are what churches tend to look for and count

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as opposed to no, no, no, no, no no. Let's tell

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the truth, and let's believe that God's in control enough

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that he'll deal with the consequences of telling the truth.

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That's ultimately what we want, what we need. We're not

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doing that. I'm praying that this is a period of

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time now where we're going to look at how Charlie

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did business for the kingdom, you know, and he went

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out there and he told the truth and often it

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wasn't popularly paid for that with his life.

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Are we willing to do that?

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We've got to be willing to say, yes, yes, we

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may not be assassinated like he was because we don't

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have the platform he has, but we're going to be persecuted.

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We may lose our jobs, friends, you know, I've lost

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family members. I'm sure all kinds of things happen, and

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so we've got to be willing to say, but that's okay.

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I did that in the service of my Lord, and

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he's going to take care of me. He's going to

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make it well with my soul, and that's what I want.

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That's the ultimate job here.

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Why do we misunderstand sin so much?

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Well, you know, it's interesting.

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We've got these two new reports out because we do

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the Worldview research every year, and one of the things

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that we're discovering is that people don't take sin seriously,

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so we want to know why. And what we found

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is that there are a lot of things that people misunderstand,

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you know. One is that they don't think that humans

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have a corrupt heart. They believe a minority of people

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believe that human beings have a corrupt or wicked heart,

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as the scripture very clearly states. Instead, what we've got

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is more than seven out of ten people who say

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human beings are basically good, good at heart, you know.

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And so we can and that's why we have this

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thing in our culture and we say we can look inward,

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you know, we can turn to ourselves and we can

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figure this out. We don't really need any help. We've

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got it. We've got it within us to deal with this.

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And then we've also got this this thing where we

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don't understand sin as rebellion.

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We're willing to talk about.

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You know, sin may not be good, but we don't

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believe it's a life changing experience. I mean, think about

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the fact that people would say, well, sin's not that

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big a deal.

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It won't change your life.

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You know, maybe you could have done something better to

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something you know that that would be more advanced, but

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it's not going to change it. It absolutely is going

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to change. It is going to destroy your life. Exactly

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what people need to be hearing during this period time. Recognize,

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I'm not saying this to diminish you or to discourage you.

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The encouraging thing is. But there's a great way around

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this life changing reality of who we are and what

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we do. And that's what Jesus Christ did for us

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on the cross. He's the only one that can save

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us from this internal corruption. And we got a nation

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where two out of three people are saying, by the way,

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you know, when you talk about sin, it makes me

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feel guilty, and that guilt is worse than the sin.

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People are thinking that the feelings that sin produces, it

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is just like when you touch a stove and you

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jump back because it hurts. God implanted that feeling of

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pain in us so that we would know something's wrong,

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and it's the same way with sin.

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That's what that guilt does. It makes us.

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Realize, Oh, man, I offended God. I broke his heart

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and that should break my heart. If I claim that

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I love him, I want to serve him. That's just

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got to you know, knock me over, Say what a

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fool I am?

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Lord? Please take over.

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Say do what you need to in the Holy Spirit,

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I'm yours. But we're not hearing that enough in America.

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Yeah, you know, we've become so consumeristic and and uh nehilistic. Uh,

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I mean, just go down all the isms. I mean,

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we we've embraced that as we have uh you know,

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listened to uh the voice of the evil one. If

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God really said, I mean, God laid out a plan.

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This is his, his domain, his dominion. It's all set

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up perfectly ordered, and we messed it up, and we

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have been trying to justify it ever since then, as

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opposed to you know, being like Isaiah and having the

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moment or even you know, the the children of Nineveh

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who when they're confronted with the truth of God or

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going oh evey, yeah, you know, or they were a

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bunch of gentiles, so they probably didn't say ovey, but

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but regardless, you know, they got it right, and they're

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putting sackcloth on themselves and they're going, hey, even the animals,

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we're not going to miss anything here, right, And maybe, George,

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maybe if we could get to that sack cloth moment,

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so to speak, that God would open our eyes in

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such a way that we could really see sin for

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how it hurts the father's heart.

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And just even the phrase he used their bill, the father.

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You know. I mean, this is something else.

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We're finding that so few people, when they think about

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who they are, they think about the nature of their life,

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they think about their faith, when they think about God,

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they think about you know, the big guy, the man upstairs.

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They don't think about he's my father. Yeah, you know,

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he loves me, He cares about me. He'll do everything

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he can to save me. And that's why he came

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down here and took on my sins. That's my father

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willing to suffer from me so that you know, I

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can live with him forever because he loves me. You know,

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we don't get that picture. And I think it's so

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critically important for us to recognize that.

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Well, it's important that we're having this conversation today, significant

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that you address this topic right now, because that is

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step one in any kind of revival, is we have

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to acknowledge that we all have sinned, we're all sinners,

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and we need a holy God to save us because

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there's nobody else, George, It's.

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All we've got but the beauty of that is it's

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all we need.

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So and I love that that's all we got and

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it's all we need.

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Who yes, yeah, So I mean if we can just

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embrace that and be thankful for that, so thankful that

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we're willing to repent, which means turn around, change what

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we're doing, go in a different direction. If we'd be

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willing to do that, man, it would be so different.

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Well, you talk about a revival that could be beyond

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anything that this earth has ever experienced, George Barna, Wow,

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may it be the Father's will. Then it happened, It

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would happen at this time.

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And Charlie was a friend, and I'm going to miss him.

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Millions of people are going to miss him because of

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what he brought to the table. But what he brought

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to the table isn't going away because what he brought

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to the table was the truth of the scriptures, the

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love of God, the forgiveness of Christ, and the hope

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of eternity. And he may have talked about it in

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a political context, he might have talked about it in

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a social context, in a family context and educational context,

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but the basis of his message was recognize your sinner,

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ask for God's forgiveness, accept it and run with it, and.

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The truth does exist.

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Yeah, yeah, And how ironic it is that he had

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to go to universities and colleges.

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All over the country, which is supposed to be places

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that teach us the truth, you know.

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And at our university, we're certainly trying to do that,

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but we hear all the time, how unique.

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That is, well, how sad that is.

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Well. He's the director of research at Arizona Christian University's

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Cultural Research Center, author of Raising Spiritual Champions, Doctor George Barnet,

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Thank you, George, take care, God bless you my friend,

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good too, Bill. Thanks.

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Nutrition for Patriots, Welcome.

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Morning, Welcome back Bill Martinez here along with Jeff camp,

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the author of Ministry Leader and former NFL QB It's

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quarterback season. Yeah, it is fun time, isn't it.

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Oh?

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My goodness, just it's always good. It must be fun

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for you and probably maybe in some parts of your

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body wanting to mechanically react to the time and season

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and the other part of your body going, oh, I

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don't want to ache like that again.

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Yeah, the body is free. But the competitive little boy, missus,

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the brotherhood, the adrenaline, and obviously the fun of thrower

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of football and making a team moved down.

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The field exactly well, speaking of the little boy, and

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I was reading a story about how a young child

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feels when their father is walking them down the road,

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you know, and they're kind of you know, your father's

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holding your hand as you walk, and the child just

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confidently even though and we're talking a young child just

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barely still learning to walk, stumbling around, but having this

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sense of confidence that all is well, that dad's got me,

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he's not gonna let me go, he's not gonna let

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me face plant. And you know, I was thinking about

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that what that means in terms of child. I mean

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that child has hope that their daddy is not going

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to let them go right.

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Right, I think it, boy, Hope is the thing that

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the world needs. Everyone needs to have a sense that

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I can get through this, over this, I can make it.

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I'll measure up. Someday I'll pass and I'll be where

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I want to be. And that that longing really in

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all of us that we might try to satisfy with achievements, popularity, money, pleasure, sex, power, whatever,

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it's really just a longing for something better, which is

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what God has already given us in his son Jesus.

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But hope is it's gonna be okay. And that's what

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you're talking about when when a dad is holding that

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little child's hand and the kid maybe leaning it about

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the fall, they're not worried about walking because I know, Dad,

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he's holding me up, you know exactly, He's taking me somewhere.

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So that's a good metaphor, you know. And I think

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it's it's important for us to realize that God gives

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us hope even in our challenges. It says that, I

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think it's in the Book of Roman. We can rejoice

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in our trials and tribulations and difficulties because when we

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persevere in faith, we get character like Jesus, and character

564
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like Jesus brings hope, and hope doesn't disappoint right because

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God has already poured out his love into our hearts

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through Jesus, who proved it raise from the dead and

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then puts his spirit in us. So we got to

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just think about and dwell on and receive that hope

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if we want to get through our circumstances.

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Well, in much the same way as this young child

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having hope in their father, their earthly father, to not

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let go. You know, the child may let go, and

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you know then we get a little crash and burn

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in a boo boo. But you know, but the father

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is holding that child's hand. And in the same way

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abba father, our father in heaven is holding our hand

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even at our agent never stops, never says, hey, God's

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going to let go of you. He's going to walk

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you through this journey of life to bring you to

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your final destination, which he promised. Jeffy said, even before

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he made he knew he knows the end from the beginning.

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You know, He wove in your mother's womb all that

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you needed to even be here at the very moment

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for you and I having this conversation right now, isn't that?

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I mean, that blows me away to think that the

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Father is so complete and total in our design, that

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all all these parts are designed for us for this

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very moment, and meanwhile, he's holding holding on to us,

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and we can have that hope that he will not

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let go.

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He's numbered our days. He knows what's going to happen

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on every day, the day you were born, the day

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you die, and he even knows every detail and instance

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of today that you're living. I read Psalm on the

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other day and it talks about how magnificent, dependable, faithful

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and loving, and I think at one point it says

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he grabbed me and held on to me. That's the hope.

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God grabs us and holds on to us. And as

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you said, he will never let go. God can't break promises.

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It's his nature to be a promise keeper. So if

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you're looking for hope, look to Jesus and what he did,

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and then look in the Word of God. Particularly the

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Psalms do a great job of explaining it exactly.

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He is your hope, right And this is why prayer

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is so important, Jeff, is that you know that's our

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conversation with God, especially in those times when you're in

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the valley right right, things are going rough and you go,

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you know, like this morning, there was this gall at

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church and her and her husband got some tough news.

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He's got cancer, young guys fifty nine years old, and

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obviously she's devastated, and you know, and we're praying for her,

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and I just know that God will bring her through.

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He always, he faithfully does. He'll He'll bring her through

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and continue to hold both of their hands through this

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journey that they're you know, they're dealing with right now.

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And you know, the Bible says that he who knows

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their God will do mighty things, their mighty exploits. And

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that knowing is through experience. It's an experiential knowing. It's

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not just oh, I have faith and I believe and

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I know God. No, you've actually gone through the blitzes

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of life, right, and.

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He's putting your trust in him right in those saying.

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You know, I think it was Job who said though

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he's slay me, yes, Job, Yes, yet well I love

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him and I think it's important right now to remember

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the things that we've mentioned this before. C. S. Lewis

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spoke often about the fact that we are not bodies

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that have souls. We are souls. That's the essence of

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who you really are is made in the image of God.

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You're in a eternal, an immortal soul, and you have

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a body for a temporary period of time here on earth,

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and when that body goes away, if you have relationship

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with God through Christ, you'll be with him in perfection forever.

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If you don't have relationship with him, you'll get what

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you chose on earth, which was you didn't want God

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in control. He won't be in control for eternity. However

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you define it, it's gonna be hell, right. But the

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thing to remember is that I'm a soul. And even

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if I don't get the answer to my prayer about healing,

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about getting that job, about seeing that relationship get fixed,

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of having peace, you know, in the world, even if

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I don't get that answer to prayer for my body

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and the temper, right now, my soul has the answer

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to every prayer. I have peace with God. I'm unconditionally loved.

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He's adopted me as a son or a daughter. He's

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going to give us a perfect future when he recreates

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the heavens and the earth. So we need to think

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as souls about what God's done for us that helps

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us to have hope even when the circumstances are pretty

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rough and they may not turn around completely. Now, God

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does miracles and he turns around circumstances. He wants us

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to pray, he wants us to express faith. He loves

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to show himself faithful. But He's got a bigger game

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plan than just making things perfect for our bodies.

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It's our souls, especially here on Earth, because those are

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the things that the apostle Paul wrote about that you

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leave those things behind and you reach out for those

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things that are calling you upward, that are elevating you.

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You know I wrote this down last time because you

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and I we talked about C. S. Lewis, and going

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back to what you said just a moment ago, you said,

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aim at heaven and you will get earth thrown in.

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Aim at earth and you will get neither right.

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That speaks to live for the soul right, and it'll

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be a blessing for your life on Earth. It won't

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be perfect or easy, but you'll have joy. But if

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you aim at earth and live for the body. You

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can't get satisfaction down here. No, that's impossible. Yeah, and

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you'll miss heaven.

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Yeah, the answers, the answer lies with God. When you're elevated.

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You know, we pray the Lord's prayer, Our Father, who

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are in heaven. He's in heaven. He's not on Yes,

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his presence is, but his reign I mean where he

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is thrown is is in heaven. And that's what we

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go to. We get out of this morass, this earthly environment.

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We go up to heaven and talk to Father God,

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talk to Abba Father and say God this, I'm having

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a hard time here. And you know that's to me.

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That's where grace reigns, right where we can enter the

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throne room of grace and receive God's mercy because of

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what Jesus did at Calvary. Forty five seconds left, Jeff,

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I'll let you round it up. Go ahead.

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Well, the prayer that Jesus prayed and gave us says,

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your kingdom come on earth as it is in heaven.

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That's what you're speaking of. So help us every minute

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to live as souls who remember that God's kingdom, the

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peace of Christ, and the eternal life he gives us

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and our mission to reconcile people to God. That's our goal.

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So encourage people with that. You have hope in Christ,

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look for it in Bible, look for it in prayer.

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Thank you, and picture that God has your hand just

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like a little child. He's walking you alongs to bring

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you back home. Right. Jeff Kemp The website where they

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Welcome back Bill Martinez here along with MRC's Tim Graham,

771
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the one in on lamest trim. Mister Tim, I should say,

772
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how we doing good well over the weekend. The network's

773
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dead it again? Huh? They go gaga over the no

774
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Kings protest giving them I mean, this is incredible. Eighteen

775
00:43:00.119 --> 00:43:03.880
times more coverage than the conservative March for Life gatherings.

776
00:43:03.920 --> 00:43:06.079
I mean, is this becoming too obvious or what?

777
00:43:07.639 --> 00:43:08.960
It is? The pattern?

778
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You know?

779
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I just feel it's important to count up the minutes

780
00:43:14.079 --> 00:43:18.039
and seconds. Now, it's only Saturday night. It didn't do

781
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Sunday morning. In fact, they were still doing it Monday morning.

782
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No Kings, No Kings, No Kings. But I every year

783
00:43:25.760 --> 00:43:27.920
when the March for Life happens, I have to add

784
00:43:28.000 --> 00:43:32.239
up the minuscule press attention or the network attention it gets.

785
00:43:32.559 --> 00:43:39.079
And yeah, fifty seconds on these networks in January, ABC

786
00:43:39.119 --> 00:43:41.199
didn't have a newscast on Saturday night, so we didn't

787
00:43:41.199 --> 00:43:46.280
include them. But yeah, eighteen minutes on CBS and NBC

788
00:43:46.360 --> 00:43:49.360
and NPR and PBS and so yes, we have now

789
00:43:49.400 --> 00:43:52.599
defunded public broadcasting at least for the moment. But it

790
00:43:52.639 --> 00:43:56.079
continues to act exactly the way it always does, promoting

791
00:43:56.159 --> 00:43:58.800
left wing protesters right exactly.

792
00:43:59.039 --> 00:44:03.239
Well, you got to see MSNBC, PBS, and NPR dedicating

793
00:44:03.280 --> 00:44:08.400
somewhat almost eighteen minutes for the no Kings protests against

794
00:44:08.400 --> 00:44:09.719
President Trump, right.

795
00:44:10.119 --> 00:44:12.800
And they all led with it. It was Story.

796
00:44:12.519 --> 00:44:15.920
Numero who the big headline not for them, And.

797
00:44:15.880 --> 00:44:19.599
They would use words like massive protest, you know, I

798
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mean the other thing at misses Bill and I laugh

799
00:44:23.360 --> 00:44:25.519
at this every time I go looking for it when

800
00:44:25.559 --> 00:44:29.199
they're reporting on the left? Are they described as the left?

801
00:44:29.480 --> 00:44:33.079
Did they call them liberals? Progressive socialists? Now they don't

802
00:44:33.159 --> 00:44:36.599
use it. They almost didn't use the word democrats. Well,

803
00:44:36.599 --> 00:44:38.760
who spoke at these rallies at least in DC? It

804
00:44:38.800 --> 00:44:43.639
was Bernie Sanders, you know, and several radical knots at

805
00:44:43.679 --> 00:44:47.719
the DC protests. They don't show you protest speakers. They

806
00:44:47.800 --> 00:44:52.000
just go find individuals that look sympathetic, you know, protesters

807
00:44:52.039 --> 00:44:54.400
who say I love the Constitution.

808
00:44:54.559 --> 00:44:57.360
Right right exactly? Well, this full idea of no kings anyway,

809
00:44:57.400 --> 00:44:59.920
And it's ridiculous, I mean, even though they had, you know,

810
00:45:00.039 --> 00:45:02.599
millions of people across the country supposedly turning out for

811
00:45:02.639 --> 00:45:05.960
this thing. But I mean, how is how is President

812
00:45:06.039 --> 00:45:09.079
Trump a king? I mean, if he was a king,

813
00:45:09.719 --> 00:45:12.199
the government would still be open for business, would he not?

814
00:45:13.440 --> 00:45:16.440
Yeah, And some of the fun on social media over

815
00:45:16.480 --> 00:45:21.880
the weekend was Hanadas having a no King's protest, England's

816
00:45:21.920 --> 00:45:23.719
having a no King's protest.

817
00:45:23.760 --> 00:45:26.000
He's a comedy. It's like, yeah, you guys have a king,

818
00:45:26.079 --> 00:45:26.760
So I don't know.

819
00:45:27.760 --> 00:45:31.320
Apparently there was a memo from Democrats abroad saying, well,

820
00:45:31.360 --> 00:45:33.559
and these countries with kings were calling it the no

821
00:45:33.719 --> 00:45:38.599
tyrants protes you know. Yeah, but yeah, I mean, I

822
00:45:38.599 --> 00:45:42.000
think the problem here is all of these people have

823
00:45:42.199 --> 00:45:46.320
convinced themselves that Trump is the enemy of democracy because

824
00:45:46.719 --> 00:45:51.199
Democrats equate themselves with democracy. So when they lose, democracy

825
00:45:51.280 --> 00:45:55.480
is dying. Yes, you know, when they win, democracy is

826
00:45:55.519 --> 00:45:56.320
flourishing again.

827
00:45:57.079 --> 00:45:57.280
Yeah.

828
00:45:57.280 --> 00:45:59.840
But let's let's let's get real here. Let's let's define

829
00:46:00.000 --> 00:46:03.199
democracy according to the constitution. I mean, this is a

830
00:46:03.320 --> 00:46:07.119
democratic republic. We say democracy just to shorten it up.

831
00:46:07.559 --> 00:46:13.039
But because their wordsmithing, they're fooling people into thinking that

832
00:46:13.199 --> 00:46:16.199
democracy is under attack, which you know, I find quite

833
00:46:16.360 --> 00:46:19.719
rich because it seems the people with the arrows and

834
00:46:19.800 --> 00:46:23.360
the bullets that are shooting democracy down are those that

835
00:46:23.400 --> 00:46:27.800
are claiming democracy is under attack the Democratic party itself.

836
00:46:29.360 --> 00:46:31.800
Yeah, I mean, I'm just so tired of this idea

837
00:46:31.920 --> 00:46:35.400
that they equate themselves with democracy, and they equate the

838
00:46:35.960 --> 00:46:40.800
majority of people who voted for Trump. You know, somehow,

839
00:46:40.840 --> 00:46:44.039
when we have an election trump wins, democracy has failed.

840
00:46:44.079 --> 00:46:46.519
I mean, that's it's like, why can any of you

841
00:46:46.639 --> 00:46:50.920
accept that Trump won. The Republicans are in control of

842
00:46:50.960 --> 00:46:54.800
both houses of Congress narrowly, But it's the whole idea

843
00:46:54.880 --> 00:46:57.400
of when they're not in power in any piece of

844
00:46:57.440 --> 00:46:58.000
the government.

845
00:46:59.039 --> 00:47:00.519
You know, you know who.

846
00:47:00.320 --> 00:47:03.519
The kings are, they should be protesting the judges, the

847
00:47:03.760 --> 00:47:07.800
unelected judges who are constantly telling you know, well you

848
00:47:08.079 --> 00:47:11.639
can't I order you the ice to wear body cameras,

849
00:47:11.760 --> 00:47:15.360
I order all they make all these orders, yes.

850
00:47:15.119 --> 00:47:19.880
You know, and clog the courts. Nobody elected them.

851
00:47:19.519 --> 00:47:23.920
Right, exactly. Well, And the thing that's again that's so

852
00:47:24.119 --> 00:47:28.199
crazy and misrepresented about this is that the very thing

853
00:47:28.199 --> 00:47:33.559
they're revolting against is what the Democratic Party is put

854
00:47:33.599 --> 00:47:36.239
into play. The Democratic Party has given rise to these

855
00:47:36.280 --> 00:47:40.480
democratic socialists. The pain that these kids are feeling is

856
00:47:40.800 --> 00:47:44.519
the result of democratic policies, just you know, in the

857
00:47:44.559 --> 00:47:50.519
modern era, from Barack Obama, Obamacare, the stuff that Joe

858
00:47:50.519 --> 00:47:55.800
Biden did, adding to our national debt now thirty seven

859
00:47:55.840 --> 00:47:59.840
trillion in counting how much did he contribute. I mean,

860
00:48:00.119 --> 00:48:02.920
all this is putting pressure on a way of life

861
00:48:03.400 --> 00:48:05.840
and a future for the young people who are coming

862
00:48:05.880 --> 00:48:09.920
in that when you're in pain like that, the tradition says, hey,

863
00:48:09.920 --> 00:48:13.000
you offer a bunch of free stuff, and these young

864
00:48:13.039 --> 00:48:16.480
people will rally around the free stuff, not realizing that

865
00:48:17.559 --> 00:48:18.800
free stuff isn't forever.

866
00:48:20.440 --> 00:48:22.639
Well, and I think the Democrats didn't do as well

867
00:48:22.639 --> 00:48:26.360
among younger voters as they wanted, specifically younger men. Yeah,

868
00:48:26.360 --> 00:48:29.400
because yes, we have an affordability problem for young people.

869
00:48:29.840 --> 00:48:31.800
Young people are going to find it really hard to

870
00:48:31.840 --> 00:48:34.920
buy a home. Certainly in some of these metro areas

871
00:48:35.000 --> 00:48:37.599
like DC, they're going to be priced out of the

872
00:48:37.599 --> 00:48:42.000
housing market. And some people have revolted against the Democrats

873
00:48:42.039 --> 00:48:46.119
because of the affordability problem. And yeah, their answer is

874
00:48:46.119 --> 00:48:49.079
like Zorra and mom Donnie saying free bosses, city owned

875
00:48:49.119 --> 00:48:52.719
grocery stores. You know, doubled down on what the problem

876
00:48:52.800 --> 00:48:53.719
was in the first price.

877
00:48:54.119 --> 00:48:56.960
Yeah, you're going to get to fix rent. There's gonna

878
00:48:56.960 --> 00:48:59.280
be a freeze on rent prices and everything. So now

879
00:48:59.440 --> 00:49:02.000
what are we going to do? You know, can you

880
00:49:02.159 --> 00:49:06.320
say slumlords, let's bring you know, send in the slumlords,

881
00:49:06.400 --> 00:49:08.599
you know, along with the clowns.

882
00:49:08.639 --> 00:49:13.440
Why not, Well, when when when left wing policies have

883
00:49:13.760 --> 00:49:19.320
unexpected or unintended consequences, they basically say, well, our hearts

884
00:49:19.320 --> 00:49:21.639
were in the right place, so you can't really blame us.

885
00:49:21.719 --> 00:49:24.239
You know, that's kind of the funny part.

886
00:49:24.320 --> 00:49:27.719
They're going to say, well, all right, so pro our

887
00:49:27.800 --> 00:49:32.280
policies caused an economic problem, let's blame capitalism, you know.

888
00:49:32.400 --> 00:49:35.079
Right exactly. Your hearts may be in the right place,

889
00:49:35.119 --> 00:49:37.719
but last time I check, we need more than a

890
00:49:37.800 --> 00:49:42.000
heart to run a government. Like ahead, like some intelligence

891
00:49:42.440 --> 00:49:45.400
that would say, these theories have never worked out in

892
00:49:45.440 --> 00:49:49.679
the history of mankind. If anything, they bring shared misery

893
00:49:49.719 --> 00:49:53.239
and devastation some cases where it gets really out of hand.

894
00:49:53.719 --> 00:49:56.360
We're talking human carnage. Oh, by the.

895
00:49:56.280 --> 00:49:59.599
Way, yeah, I mean certainly in you know, this is

896
00:49:59.639 --> 00:50:03.840
why democracy is important. This is why checks and balances

897
00:50:03.880 --> 00:50:07.760
are important. And you know, in a democratic system, fine,

898
00:50:07.840 --> 00:50:09.639
go out and protests.

899
00:50:09.079 --> 00:50:10.360
In the Street's good for you.

900
00:50:10.800 --> 00:50:13.239
But it's just like again, when the Tea Party people

901
00:50:13.280 --> 00:50:16.039
broke out in two thousand and nine or even into

902
00:50:16.119 --> 00:50:20.679
twenty fourteen, you know, protesting Obama. They didn't see that

903
00:50:20.719 --> 00:50:23.679
as flourishing democracy. They saw it as, oh, look at

904
00:50:23.679 --> 00:50:26.559
this pile of racists, right.

905
00:50:26.639 --> 00:50:29.760
Yeah, exactly. And then of course you have lowist learner

906
00:50:29.800 --> 00:50:33.239
in the irs doing everything they could to defund and

907
00:50:33.679 --> 00:50:38.679
you know, you know, interfere with banking and tax exemption

908
00:50:38.840 --> 00:50:42.159
and on and on, which I maintained him has affected

909
00:50:42.400 --> 00:50:46.000
the voting cycles, probably at least nine voting cycles. Because still,

910
00:50:46.280 --> 00:50:47.880
I mean, what they did is they put a lot

911
00:50:47.920 --> 00:50:53.039
of these you know, these tea party associations and these clubs,

912
00:50:53.079 --> 00:50:55.800
they put them out of business. And why, I mean,

913
00:50:55.800 --> 00:50:59.840
it was all you know about voter manipulation, and you know,

914
00:51:00.079 --> 00:51:03.000
it came and it went and it's almost like Atlas

915
00:51:03.000 --> 00:51:06.119
shrugged here nobody, you know, no big whoop. Right, But

916
00:51:06.199 --> 00:51:08.840
wait a minute. Then Trump says, hey, look at I

917
00:51:08.880 --> 00:51:11.239
think the twenty twenty election might have been fixed. We

918
00:51:11.320 --> 00:51:14.320
got all these obvious signs and everything, and oh my god,

919
00:51:14.400 --> 00:51:16.800
hell breaks loose and let's throw people in jail.

920
00:51:17.960 --> 00:51:20.559
Well, and I think it's always important to realize, yeah,

921
00:51:20.599 --> 00:51:22.599
that the media is biased.

922
00:51:22.639 --> 00:51:24.599
Biomission is a crucial part in all this.

923
00:51:24.800 --> 00:51:26.840
You know, back in the Obama years, we made this

924
00:51:26.880 --> 00:51:30.960
point repeatedly that the whole story of Lois Learner, who

925
00:51:31.079 --> 00:51:35.199
was in charge of the tax exempt piece of the IRS. Yes,

926
00:51:35.400 --> 00:51:38.320
had put a delay on anything with the words tea

927
00:51:38.360 --> 00:51:40.119
party on the application.

928
00:51:39.679 --> 00:51:42.639
Or conservative, yes, exactly.

929
00:51:42.880 --> 00:51:45.159
And so they but they didn't want to do that story.

930
00:51:45.159 --> 00:51:48.039
It's the same thing where it's like, well, bias biomission

931
00:51:48.119 --> 00:51:51.559
is like one of the reasons why you can say

932
00:51:51.559 --> 00:51:53.840
the twenty twenty election was rigged because we're going to

933
00:51:53.920 --> 00:51:56.840
run around saying the Hunter Biden laptop isn't a story,

934
00:51:56.880 --> 00:51:59.840
and if you insist it is, well, then it's rushing disinformation.

935
00:52:00.280 --> 00:52:03.119
And then in twenty twenty two they go, oh, I

936
00:52:03.119 --> 00:52:06.119
guess the Hunter Biden laptop was real. And that's where

937
00:52:06.119 --> 00:52:10.239
you're like, Okay, you cheated with media omission. And that's

938
00:52:10.280 --> 00:52:12.519
the whole that's the whole problem we have is that

939
00:52:12.559 --> 00:52:16.559
these people think that they're in charge of information when

940
00:52:16.599 --> 00:52:18.559
they're giving us misinformation.

941
00:52:19.079 --> 00:52:21.719
Well, and when they get caught, okay, it's like here

942
00:52:21.760 --> 00:52:23.599
it is for years they tell you this story, this

943
00:52:23.679 --> 00:52:26.239
big fat lie, right, and so all of a sudden

944
00:52:26.239 --> 00:52:28.880
they get back in the corner the facts bear out

945
00:52:29.000 --> 00:52:32.800
and they go, okay, well get over it. We've already

946
00:52:32.800 --> 00:52:35.599
reported on it. Let's move on Well, wait a minute,

947
00:52:35.639 --> 00:52:38.320
you just spent years telling us a big lie, and

948
00:52:38.360 --> 00:52:42.559
now you give us ten seconds of a media narrative

949
00:52:42.639 --> 00:52:46.239
where you you don't even apologize, You just kind of

950
00:52:46.280 --> 00:52:50.360
admit that maybe they got it wrong, and oh, we

951
00:52:50.480 --> 00:52:52.519
got something else to go deal with over here, right.

952
00:52:53.159 --> 00:52:56.320
I think that my favorite or un favorite is I

953
00:52:56.360 --> 00:52:59.920
think the New York Times admitted the hunter Biden lamptop

954
00:53:00.119 --> 00:53:04.960
was real in a story on like a twenty paragraph twenty.

955
00:53:05.079 --> 00:53:07.880
I mean they buried that thing, you know. It's so

956
00:53:08.400 --> 00:53:11.320
when they're wrong, yeah, you go get a go get

957
00:53:11.320 --> 00:53:14.199
a magnifying glass to try to find out where they

958
00:53:14.280 --> 00:53:18.719
admitted it. So, yes, that's a problem. And you could

959
00:53:18.719 --> 00:53:22.079
say the same thing about COVID originated from milaf in China.

960
00:53:22.119 --> 00:53:25.599
They spent twenty twenty saying that's a conspiracy theory, and

961
00:53:25.639 --> 00:53:28.280
then Biden gets elected and then they're like the fact

962
00:53:28.360 --> 00:53:33.159
checkers quote unquote, go, well maybe that's maybe there's something

963
00:53:33.199 --> 00:53:34.119
to that theory.

964
00:53:34.440 --> 00:53:36.360
Yeah right, well how interesting.

965
00:53:36.599 --> 00:53:39.719
Yeah, like you didn't you didn't listen to what doctor

966
00:53:39.760 --> 00:53:42.519
Fauci said about it, you know a couple of years

967
00:53:42.559 --> 00:53:45.559
before when he sent his people down there to work

968
00:53:45.559 --> 00:53:47.440
in that lab and then they came back and said,

969
00:53:47.719 --> 00:53:51.199
these guys are reckless, They're gonna They're gonna cause a problem. Well,

970
00:53:51.239 --> 00:53:54.199
sure enough, eighteen months later, after all this money that

971
00:53:54.320 --> 00:53:59.599
was invested in Wuhan laboratory, which supposedly Barack Obama had said,

972
00:53:59.679 --> 00:54:03.159
I don't want any investment, any taxpayer money going into it.

973
00:54:03.519 --> 00:54:06.440
But somehow, in the name of gain a function, doctor

974
00:54:06.440 --> 00:54:09.320
Fauci does that. And what price does he pay?

975
00:54:10.840 --> 00:54:13.719
None? I was still waiting. I know that there was

976
00:54:13.760 --> 00:54:14.360
some talk.

977
00:54:15.519 --> 00:54:18.719
Uh, when Trump was elected again the Republicans and Rentrol

978
00:54:18.880 --> 00:54:22.719
charge of Congress, we were going to get some Fauci testifies.

979
00:54:22.840 --> 00:54:24.760
I don't know if I've seen any of that. I mean,

980
00:54:24.840 --> 00:54:27.960
certainly again, the media have made him a hero. PBS

981
00:54:28.000 --> 00:54:31.119
made a documentary about how he was a hero with

982
00:54:31.159 --> 00:54:32.119
our tax dollars that.

983
00:54:32.159 --> 00:54:33.559
Were still funded by the government.

984
00:54:33.639 --> 00:54:37.679
Then right, uh, it's there has been a dramatic lack

985
00:54:37.719 --> 00:54:41.519
of accountability on that. And you just have to ask yourself,

986
00:54:41.519 --> 00:54:44.440
this is the big question about the pandemic. Why would

987
00:54:44.519 --> 00:54:48.199
anyone in their right mind decide, let's weaponize a virus

988
00:54:48.239 --> 00:54:50.440
and see how that works out exactly?

989
00:54:50.800 --> 00:54:54.719
Yeah, yeah, you're going to be a genier let's make

990
00:54:54.760 --> 00:54:57.960
a let's make a germ so dangerous so we can

991
00:54:57.960 --> 00:54:59.159
figure out how to fix it.

992
00:54:59.199 --> 00:55:01.239
Well, how about you not make it in the first place?

993
00:55:01.480 --> 00:55:04.159
Exactly what a novel idea. But you know what, they're

994
00:55:04.159 --> 00:55:06.239
not over now, They're trying to come up with something

995
00:55:06.320 --> 00:55:09.480
better and more lethal. Well, this is how crazy they are.

996
00:55:09.800 --> 00:55:13.800
Stay tuned for details. Tim Graham, the executive editor with NewsBusters,

997
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has been our guest. Tim has always appreciate the time

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and the insight. Keep counting up those minutes and seconds,

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my friend.

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Getting America back on track, Bill Martinez, Live.

1022
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Well, Good morning America. Six minutes after the top of

1023
00:56:36.239 --> 00:56:39.000
the out Bill Martinez here with the infamous and one

1024
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and only doctor John Lott. Hey, doctor John, how are we.

1025
00:56:42.159 --> 00:56:45.320
Doing doing great? Good to talk to you again, Bill.

1026
00:56:45.360 --> 00:56:47.400
Hey, always good. Thank you so much for keeping us

1027
00:56:47.480 --> 00:56:52.440
up to date on the numbers that somehow between the

1028
00:56:52.480 --> 00:56:55.519
media and the government we can't seem to get them together.

1029
00:56:55.599 --> 00:56:58.679
What's what's the problem here is just it does math

1030
00:56:58.760 --> 00:57:00.159
no longer matter anymore?

1031
00:57:01.440 --> 00:57:04.280
I think mathematters. I think it's just that people have

1032
00:57:04.360 --> 00:57:07.880
to understand that they're different numbers that the government puts

1033
00:57:07.880 --> 00:57:12.199
out and what they need. So what usually people just

1034
00:57:12.280 --> 00:57:16.920
focus on are the FBI data on crimes reported to police,

1035
00:57:17.519 --> 00:57:20.960
And over the last few years, there's been a drop

1036
00:57:21.079 --> 00:57:23.119
in the number of crimes that are report to police.

1037
00:57:23.159 --> 00:57:26.039
It's not a huge change, but it's been a drop.

1038
00:57:27.239 --> 00:57:30.119
But the thing people have to understand is only about

1039
00:57:30.159 --> 00:57:33.880
forty percent of violent crimes that report to police, only

1040
00:57:33.920 --> 00:57:37.559
about thirty percent of property crimes that report to police.

1041
00:57:38.159 --> 00:57:44.079
And you know, prior to COVID, the measures that we

1042
00:57:44.239 --> 00:57:46.960
have of crimes report to police and the measures that

1043
00:57:47.000 --> 00:57:51.079
we have of total crime generally went up and down together.

1044
00:57:51.760 --> 00:57:55.239
But since COVID, they've pretty much gone in opposite directions.

1045
00:57:55.280 --> 00:57:58.639
At the same time that we've had this small drop

1046
00:57:58.880 --> 00:58:01.920
in the number of crimes poor to police, we've had

1047
00:58:02.000 --> 00:58:07.199
a huge explosion in our measures of total crime during

1048
00:58:07.239 --> 00:58:10.639
the Biding administration. During the four years of the Biden administration,

1049
00:58:12.679 --> 00:58:17.960
total violent crime soared by fifty nine percent. There is

1050
00:58:18.039 --> 00:58:20.599
never in the fifty two years that the Bureau of

1051
00:58:20.760 --> 00:58:24.360
Justice Statistics has put together this data, there has never

1052
00:58:24.440 --> 00:58:28.280
been such a large percentage increase in our measures that

1053
00:58:28.320 --> 00:58:32.320
we have of total crime. And you know, it's been huge.

1054
00:58:32.360 --> 00:58:36.079
There was a sixty three percent increase or sixty seven

1055
00:58:36.079 --> 00:58:39.960
percent increase in rape and sexual assaults, a thirty eight

1056
00:58:40.000 --> 00:58:43.880
percent increase in robbery, and a sixty two percent increase

1057
00:58:43.920 --> 00:58:48.400
in aggravate assaults. So these were very large increases, and

1058
00:58:48.440 --> 00:58:52.400
it's not that difficult to explain how these numbers have

1059
00:58:52.519 --> 00:58:57.559
been going in opposite directions. A couple main reasons for it.

1060
00:58:57.760 --> 00:59:01.039
One is whether or not people report crimes to the

1061
00:59:01.079 --> 00:59:04.360
police depends in part on whether they think the criminals

1062
00:59:04.400 --> 00:59:07.639
are going to be caught and punished. There's been a

1063
00:59:07.840 --> 00:59:13.800
huge drop in the rate that we have arrests occurring there.

1064
00:59:15.079 --> 00:59:18.079
We've also made it more difficult for people to go

1065
00:59:18.199 --> 00:59:21.000
and report crimes. So you know, six seven years ago,

1066
00:59:21.719 --> 00:59:23.880
if you were to go and call up nine to

1067
00:59:23.920 --> 00:59:27.079
one one, they send out a police car to go

1068
00:59:27.159 --> 00:59:31.159
and take the police report. That's there nowadays in many

1069
00:59:31.199 --> 00:59:33.480
parts of the country, if you call up, they'll ask

1070
00:59:33.559 --> 00:59:36.880
you if the criminals stole there committing the crime, and

1071
00:59:36.920 --> 00:59:39.480
of course the vast majority of times people will say no,

1072
00:59:39.679 --> 00:59:43.320
the criminals already left. And then they'll say, well, okay,

1073
00:59:43.360 --> 00:59:46.079
you can come down to the police station and wait

1074
00:59:46.119 --> 00:59:50.360
in line, and you know, we'll take a police report. Well,

1075
00:59:50.400 --> 00:59:52.280
you know, the problem is is that if you make

1076
00:59:52.320 --> 00:59:57.079
it more difficult, more time consuming for somebody to go

1077
00:59:57.280 --> 01:00:00.280
and make a police report. And also the fact that

1078
01:00:00.519 --> 01:00:04.199
the outcome is less certain that something's going to happen

1079
01:00:04.239 --> 01:00:06.880
now than used to be the case. And there are

1080
01:00:06.920 --> 01:00:08.639
going to be some people who are going to say,

1081
01:00:08.639 --> 01:00:11.840
you know, it's just not worth my time to go

1082
01:00:11.880 --> 01:00:14.519
down to the police station and wait in line. And

1083
01:00:14.599 --> 01:00:17.599
so you'll have this. You know, simply calling up nine

1084
01:00:17.599 --> 01:00:21.039
to one one doesn't result in a police report. It

1085
01:00:21.079 --> 01:00:25.199
doesn't result in the numbers being included in their numbers

1086
01:00:25.239 --> 01:00:29.079
of rape or section you know, robbery or eggvate assaults

1087
01:00:29.559 --> 01:00:33.679
and so uh. That also has helped create this gap

1088
01:00:33.760 --> 01:00:36.679
between the number of reported crimes and the number of

1089
01:00:36.719 --> 01:00:39.719
total crimes that are there. And so, you know, while

1090
01:00:39.760 --> 01:00:42.079
a lot of people are talking about say, look, the

1091
01:00:42.159 --> 01:00:46.679
number of reported crimes has fallen, the media has kind

1092
01:00:46.679 --> 01:00:50.920
of missed the story that the total number of crimes

1093
01:00:50.599 --> 01:00:56.039
has soared and been an unprecedented percentage increase that we've

1094
01:00:56.400 --> 01:00:57.440
never seen before.

1095
01:00:58.480 --> 01:01:01.119
But with these numbers, why would you questions say, why

1096
01:01:01.159 --> 01:01:03.679
has it fallen? I mean that doesn't seem to make sense.

1097
01:01:04.079 --> 01:01:06.519
I mean, here we've got more illegals in our country

1098
01:01:06.559 --> 01:01:11.119
right now, the reports of gangs running wild in the streets.

1099
01:01:11.239 --> 01:01:13.880
You know, one thing that throws the flag up for me, John,

1100
01:01:14.159 --> 01:01:19.159
is what about retaliation If these criminals aren't being you know,

1101
01:01:19.320 --> 01:01:23.079
they're not being prosecuted, and there's no accountability, and somebody

1102
01:01:23.119 --> 01:01:25.719
goes through the measure of you know, going down to

1103
01:01:25.760 --> 01:01:29.079
the police station and filing report and then the police

1104
01:01:29.079 --> 01:01:32.440
go knocking at this guy's door and nothing happens to them.

1105
01:01:32.480 --> 01:01:34.280
Well guess what the next door of that guy's going

1106
01:01:34.320 --> 01:01:35.199
to knock on? Right?

1107
01:01:36.440 --> 01:01:40.159
Well, surely it's demoralized police. I mean, police risk their

1108
01:01:40.199 --> 01:01:43.079
safety when they go and arrest people. It's not the

1109
01:01:43.159 --> 01:01:45.480
easiest job to go and do in the world by

1110
01:01:45.519 --> 01:01:49.119
any means. And you know, if they go and arrest somebody,

1111
01:01:49.119 --> 01:01:52.199
but the person is immediately released. I mean, you have

1112
01:01:52.360 --> 01:01:57.159
places like Manhattan and New York City where you maybe

1113
01:01:57.800 --> 01:02:03.239
sixty percent of the cases dropped against people. You have Washington, DC.

1114
01:02:03.239 --> 01:02:05.199
And in these cases, John, hang on second, explain to

1115
01:02:05.199 --> 01:02:09.199
the people in these sixty percent are these just you know,

1116
01:02:09.320 --> 01:02:13.119
some some parking ticket or you know, somebody jumped over

1117
01:02:13.280 --> 01:02:16.880
the turnstile of the subway. You know, what kind of

1118
01:02:16.920 --> 01:02:18.480
crimes are we talking about here.

1119
01:02:18.559 --> 01:02:21.800
We're talking about assaults. Well, you know, in a case

1120
01:02:22.400 --> 01:02:31.440
in Washington, d C. The crimes involving adults are prosecuted

1121
01:02:31.480 --> 01:02:35.000
by the US Attorney and that's somebody who's appointed by

1122
01:02:35.000 --> 01:02:39.239
the president. And during the Buying administration, you had about

1123
01:02:39.280 --> 01:02:45.880
two thirds of the violent crimes in twenty twenty two,

1124
01:02:47.119 --> 01:02:50.599
the US Attorney there from the Buienn administration refused to

1125
01:02:50.679 --> 01:02:54.920
prosecute those cases. Even during twenty twenty three, it was

1126
01:02:54.960 --> 01:02:58.800
still like fifty six percent of the cases they refused

1127
01:02:58.840 --> 01:03:03.000
to go and prosecute. And so you know, it's not

1128
01:03:03.039 --> 01:03:07.840
too surprising that you have a crime problem there when

1129
01:03:08.679 --> 01:03:11.119
you know you don't make it risky for criminals to

1130
01:03:11.119 --> 01:03:12.039
go and commit crime.

1131
01:03:12.559 --> 01:03:15.519
Yeah, don't turning the tables though, John, Right.

1132
01:03:16.559 --> 01:03:19.119
Yeah, No, I mean you got to You're going to

1133
01:03:19.239 --> 01:03:21.440
have to be serious about this. You're going to have

1134
01:03:21.480 --> 01:03:23.719
to make it risky for criminals to go and commit

1135
01:03:23.760 --> 01:03:26.719
crime if you're going to reduce crime. And as you say,

1136
01:03:26.800 --> 01:03:30.119
it's not really rocket science to see that if I

1137
01:03:30.199 --> 01:03:34.079
don't prosecute criminals, if I don't punish them, if I

1138
01:03:34.119 --> 01:03:36.840
don't put them in jail, if I don't make it

1139
01:03:36.880 --> 01:03:40.639
so victims are able to go and defend themselves, you're

1140
01:03:40.639 --> 01:03:43.159
going to have more crime. And you know, I look

1141
01:03:43.199 --> 01:03:48.679
at the data from the Bureau of Justice Statistics, they're

1142
01:03:48.800 --> 01:03:52.800
National Crime Victimization data, and I see this huge increase

1143
01:03:52.880 --> 01:03:57.440
in violent crime. And as you say, we've had this

1144
01:03:57.639 --> 01:04:01.639
huge influx of illegal aliens that have come into the country,

1145
01:04:01.960 --> 01:04:04.639
we've seen at the same time not making it risky

1146
01:04:04.679 --> 01:04:08.519
for criminals to go and commit crime. You know, it's

1147
01:04:08.559 --> 01:04:11.400
not surprising to me that we've seen this big increase

1148
01:04:11.440 --> 01:04:14.519
in crime. And I suspect this year that we won't

1149
01:04:14.559 --> 01:04:17.440
know the data for you know, another year from now

1150
01:04:18.079 --> 01:04:21.280
for this year, the official final data. But I suspect

1151
01:04:21.480 --> 01:04:25.039
crime has been going down substantially this year for many reasons.

1152
01:04:25.079 --> 01:04:28.920
I mean, we've seen in some localities like Washington, d C.

1153
01:04:30.039 --> 01:04:34.199
A big drop, but the fact that Trump is deporting

1154
01:04:34.880 --> 01:04:40.159
illegal aliens, and whether or not you're deported, they've been

1155
01:04:40.199 --> 01:04:43.800
focusing on criminals, So they've been taking some violent criminals

1156
01:04:43.840 --> 01:04:46.280
out of the area, but also even the ones that

1157
01:04:46.320 --> 01:04:49.280
they don't catch, they make it risky for them to

1158
01:04:49.320 --> 01:04:52.079
go and commit crime. How do you protect yourself if

1159
01:04:52.079 --> 01:04:55.599
you're an illegal alien criminal from being deported. Well, one

1160
01:04:55.639 --> 01:04:58.800
thing is to keep off police radar to make sure

1161
01:04:58.800 --> 01:05:01.719
you're not arrested, because if you get arrested under the

1162
01:05:01.760 --> 01:05:05.079
Trump administration, you know ice will be there to go

1163
01:05:05.199 --> 01:05:07.480
and pick you up when you get you when you're

1164
01:05:07.519 --> 01:05:11.679
at the courthouse there and so. And the way you

1165
01:05:11.800 --> 01:05:14.719
keep off of police radar is not to commit much

1166
01:05:14.760 --> 01:05:15.639
crime right now?

1167
01:05:16.320 --> 01:05:20.239
Pretty simple, huh, you would think, so, all things considered,

1168
01:05:20.400 --> 01:05:21.800
I'll tell you we got to go to break and

1169
01:05:21.800 --> 01:05:23.880
we've got more from doctor John Lott on the other

1170
01:05:23.920 --> 01:05:24.960
side to stay with us.

1171
01:05:26.000 --> 01:05:29.360
On Sunday, November two, Americans will fall back to standard

1172
01:05:29.440 --> 01:05:32.480
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1173
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1174
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1177
01:05:45.760 --> 01:05:48.760
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1179
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1185
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Welcome back nineteen minutes after the top of the r

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Right now, Doctor John Lott is with us. He's the

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president of the Crime Prevention Research Center, also the author

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of Gun Control. Miss John, A lot of this is

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kind of like what happened in New York when you

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took all the playing closed officers off the streets. What

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did they say. The response was, all the guns are

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going to come out of the cupboards and onto the

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street because you have nobody monitoring them. And that's exactly

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what happened. I mean, it didn't take a long, you know,

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long time for that occurred, you know, for to occur.

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And then of course then you have a law enforcement

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that has been you know, I guess dissuaded, you know,

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from making these arrest and putting their lives on the line,

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you know, for what for these guys coming and going out.

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I mean, you know, these people are causing all kinds

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of problems. You know, America looks at it and says,

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wait a minute, this guy, guy's assn't a rest record

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twice the length of my arm, and he keeps on,

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you know, just going in. I mean, it's just a

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01:11:01.520 --> 01:11:04.800
swinging door there in New York. And but I got

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to think, with Trump's focus on you know, crime and

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punishment in law enforcement, that this is putting a signal

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across the country. Some blue states and of course, you know,

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Gavin Newsom being Gavin Newsom is such a knucklehead, he

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just refuses common sense. But I got to believe John

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that even in red states, these das, they're upping their

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game and saying, hey, look at we need to you know,

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Trump is right, we need to focus on law and order, right.

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Right, you know, I mean, I hope the fact that

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people see the reduction in crime in places like d

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C and now Memphis where Trump has moved in. You

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know that that will create political pressure on politicians in

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Chicago and Los Angeles and other places you know, where

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people the citizens in those areas will say, look, you

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know this, why are we having to put up with

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crime here? You know, if it's this simple, just let

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the police go and do their job. Put more police

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on the street.

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You know.

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So you know, in Washington, d C. You had about

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thirteen hundred patrol officers for seven hundred and twenty thousand people. Well,

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you know, maybe about four hundred of those are on

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duty at any point in time. So when Trump has

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gone and put you know, National Guarden, more FBI agents

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atf agents and others on the street as well as

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putting National guards there, he effectively more than doubled the

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number of people, number of boots that you have on

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the ground at any point in time. That's increased the

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arrest rates. We've seen a big increase in arrests both

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there and in Memphis. You had a change in who

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the US Attorney was under the buy An administration. As

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we talked about, they just refused to prosper lots of

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violent criminals. Well, Judge Janine Piro has a very different

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attitude towards that. She's if you do the crime, she's

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gonna go and make sure you get punished and you're

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going to serve real time. And it's more than that.

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In Washington, d C. President Trump has put pressure on

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DC to start issuing concealed carry permits. Prior to the

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Trump administration, it was taking six to eight months or

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more for people to get a concealed carry permit. Now

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it's two weeks. Well, you know that allowing victims to

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be able to go and defend themselves also makes it

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riskier for criminals to go and commit crime. And so

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he's basically, you know, hit on all cylinders there. I mean,

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the one thing I'll say about the Democrats is that

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at least they were very consistent they didn't want to

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make it risky for criminals to commit crime in terms

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of policing or in terms of the court system. They

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all didn't want to make it risky for criminals to

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commit crime in terms of letting the victims be able

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to go and defend themselves.

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Well, John, what about New York? I mean, you've got

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a democratic socialist you know, would be mayor quite possibly,

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and he's really going back and away from law and order.

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01:14:22.880 --> 01:14:25.600
I mean his approach. I mean, he said some things

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that he since has walked back, but you know, I

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believe him the first time and when he said that

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he wasn't all that interested in law in order. He

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01:14:34.920 --> 01:14:40.199
wants chaos in that city. And I don't know. I mean, yes,

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01:14:40.279 --> 01:14:42.520
you got young kids, and these young people that have

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01:14:42.600 --> 01:14:46.640
been indoctrinated and thinking socialism is the way, and they're

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01:14:46.680 --> 01:14:50.680
buying into this propaganda, you know, from this young man

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01:14:50.720 --> 01:14:53.880
who's you know, I mean thirty three years. What kind

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01:14:53.920 --> 01:14:56.079
of experience does he have to run a city of

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01:14:56.119 --> 01:14:59.920
this size and with his policies is promoting especially when

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01:14:59.920 --> 01:15:01.640
the comes to you know, law and order.

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John, Right, Well, I mean even when he's kind of

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01:15:05.920 --> 01:15:09.039
walked it back, he's basically the way I read it

1347
01:15:09.119 --> 01:15:12.840
is he's he kind of regrets the wording that he used,

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01:15:13.359 --> 01:15:16.079
but not, as far as I can tell, kind of

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01:15:16.079 --> 01:15:20.239
the underlying meaning that he had there, and you know,

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01:15:22.199 --> 01:15:24.319
New Yorkers are going to get what they're voting for.

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01:15:24.359 --> 01:15:26.840
I mean, this is a guy who doesn't think that

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01:15:26.880 --> 01:15:30.640
you should even have prisons. He thinks violence is a

1353
01:15:30.720 --> 01:15:34.319
quote social construct, you know, so it's just something that's

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01:15:34.319 --> 01:15:38.359
in our mind. It doesn't really exist, I don't know.

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01:15:38.479 --> 01:15:40.239
I mean, you go and you tell the woman who's

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01:15:40.239 --> 01:15:44.960
been raped, or the person who's been mugged, or the

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01:15:45.000 --> 01:15:49.239
person who's been aggvate assaulted or murdered. You know, my

1358
01:15:49.319 --> 01:15:52.039
guess is somebody who's murdered doesn't view it as just

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01:15:52.079 --> 01:15:56.079
a social construct. There's a life that's been lost, and

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there's a family that's grieving because they've lost a loved one.

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You know.

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01:16:01.960 --> 01:16:05.600
The thing is what they don't seem to appreciate is

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who the victims of these crimes are. In places like Washington,

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d C, over ninety percent of the murder victims are black.

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01:16:17.680 --> 01:16:21.880
In Chicago, something like eighty percent of the murder victims

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01:16:21.880 --> 01:16:27.119
are black. So you have all these politicians like Wes Moore,

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01:16:27.359 --> 01:16:32.560
the Democratic governor of Maryland, who is accusing Trump's policies

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01:16:32.640 --> 01:16:36.720
in places like d C as being racist. You know,

1369
01:16:38.119 --> 01:16:40.640
it seems to me, if you care about trying to

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01:16:40.720 --> 01:16:45.359
save the lives of minorities and make their lives better off,

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01:16:46.119 --> 01:16:47.880
you have to go and cut down the crime. And

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01:16:47.920 --> 01:16:51.439
it's more than just the direct victims of crime. You know,

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01:16:51.520 --> 01:16:56.279
in a heavily black city like Washington, d C. And

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01:16:56.319 --> 01:16:59.840
you have businesses closed because of the crime, who owns

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01:17:00.000 --> 01:17:03.199
some of those businesses, Who works in those stores, who

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01:17:03.319 --> 01:17:08.640
shops in those stores? They're overwhelmingly blacks. Who owns homes

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01:17:08.800 --> 01:17:12.399
in the areas whose property values are depressed because of

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01:17:12.439 --> 01:17:15.319
the high crime that you have in those areas, it's

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01:17:15.439 --> 01:17:20.960
overwhelmingly blacks that are there. So you know, the damage

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01:17:21.000 --> 01:17:26.319
and harm that's done to minorities is huge across the board.

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01:17:26.439 --> 01:17:26.800
There.

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It seems like if you do care about minorities, you're

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01:17:30.319 --> 01:17:32.319
gonna want to go and do the types of things

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01:17:32.319 --> 01:17:36.840
that Trump is doing in order to save black lives.

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Yeah, but they hate Trump so much they can't even

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01:17:39.960 --> 01:17:42.720
perceive it. John, I mean, I agree, their mind is

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01:17:42.760 --> 01:17:45.279
so closed to all this. And the fact of the

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01:17:45.319 --> 01:17:49.319
matter is, it's interesting. I mean, you know, I'm Donnie

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01:17:49.359 --> 01:17:53.920
says it's a social construct. Well, it is in a sense.

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01:17:53.960 --> 01:17:57.560
He's right, but he's wrong in terms of who constructed it.

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01:17:57.840 --> 01:18:01.000
Who constructed it, by and large are the Democrats that

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01:18:01.199 --> 01:18:04.319
have come up with these goofy policies, have they not?

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01:18:06.439 --> 01:18:09.439
Well, yeah, as I say before, at least they're consistent.

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They don't want to make it risky for criminals to

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01:18:11.520 --> 01:18:14.600
go and commit crime, either with higher rest rates, higher

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01:18:14.600 --> 01:18:18.880
conviction rates, longer prison sentences, or letting victims be able

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to go and defend themselves. If my research convinces me

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01:18:22.640 --> 01:18:26.600
of anything, the people who benefit the most from owning

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guns are the people who are the most likely victims

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of violent cross exactly, basically poor blacks who live in

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high crime urban areas.

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Right. Well, you know you brought up something earlier which

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01:18:37.119 --> 01:18:39.239
is key, and this is something we've been hammering on too,

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01:18:39.760 --> 01:18:41.600
is that you look at the Summer of Love. You

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01:18:41.640 --> 01:18:44.640
know what went across the country. All that destruction is

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01:18:44.680 --> 01:18:48.279
something to eight, you know, four billion dollars worth of damage,

1407
01:18:48.800 --> 01:18:50.960
and very little has talked about the job loss. And

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01:18:50.960 --> 01:18:52.960
you brought that up, and I'm glad you did, because

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a lot of young people where they would go down

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to the local pharmacy or some other you know, maybe

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01:18:59.039 --> 01:19:05.880
convenience or fast food facility and business. Those businesses are

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01:19:05.880 --> 01:19:10.000
gone and those jobs are gone, and nobody is reporting

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on the number of job loss as a result of

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Black lives matter in all this craziness, right.

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01:19:17.199 --> 01:19:20.960
Yeah, no, I agree. People get harmed in many different ways.

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01:19:21.000 --> 01:19:24.600
Their lives are destroyed, their jobs are gone, the places

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that they shop or destroyed. You know, crime has real

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01:19:29.640 --> 01:19:34.159
costs in many different ways. And you know it's you know,

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01:19:34.600 --> 01:19:38.720
democrats will talk about things like food deserts supposedly where

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01:19:38.720 --> 01:19:42.880
people can't go and buy food. Well, you know, if

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Welcome morning, Welcome back, Bill Martinez.

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Here.

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For more information on the show, you go to Bill

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Martinez Show dot com. Well, a new study is finding

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the tens of millions of US children are without the

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after school programs that their families want for them, a

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largely unmetneed in every state. And after School Alliance to

1512
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Release is releasing data on parents' views on after school programs.

1513
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And here to talk more about it is Jody Grant,

1514
01:24:45.880 --> 01:24:49.560
the executive director of After School Alliance, and Heather Nesley,

1515
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the president of New York Live Foundation. Jody and Heather, Welcome, Michelle,

1516
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good to have.

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You with us, Thanks for having us.

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01:24:57.720 --> 01:24:58.159
Welcome.

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01:24:59.640 --> 01:25:02.439
How large are we talking about? The unmet demand for

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after school programs nationally in each of the fifty states.

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What are we talking about here?

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That's a really good question. So what we are talking

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about is twenty three million kids. So when we ask

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parents what they wanted for their kids. For the parents

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that wanted their kids in after school programs, three out

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of four kids nationwide are missing out.

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Wow, Heather, what about you know, working parents, how are

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they managing the afternoon hours?

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Now, well, that's why this is so critical.

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You know.

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Parents that were surveyed, eighty two percent of them said

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that having their kids in after school helps them to

1533
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keep their job or to work extra hours, and eighty

1534
01:25:42.000 --> 01:25:44.600
eight percent said it actually boosts their productivity at work

1535
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because they know their kids are safe and being well

1536
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taken care of. It reduces their stress levels because they

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know their kids are.

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Safe exactly, And Jody, I got to imagine the parents

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are loving this.

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You know, that was one of the findings of this survey.

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So we surveyed thirty thousand parents thanks to our partnership

1542
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with the New York Life Foundation, and ninety five percent

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of parents are extremely satisfied with their programs. They love

1544
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it because it keeps their kids safe, it inspires learning,

1545
01:26:11.279 --> 01:26:13.279
and then it gives them peace of mind while they're

1546
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at work to know that their kids are not just safe,

1547
01:26:16.520 --> 01:26:19.920
but excited and having fun and doing what better in

1548
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school as a result.

1549
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Exactly, well, Heather, we like to encourage and incentivize a

1550
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good thing, right, right, they absolutely do, right. So obviously

1551
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parents are saying, hey, we need more, not less.

1552
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That's true. Yeah, we say across the board.

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You know.

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One of the things that came out from the survey

1555
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is parents, whether they're rural, urban, suburban, republican, independent Democrat,

1556
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they want to see greater investments in after school programs

1557
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because for our middle income families, for our low income families,

1558
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this is a stretch. And for our hire income families,

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they are spending nine times more per child in after

1560
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school and extracurcal activities, and that's because they know it's

1561
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going to help their kids succeed.

1562
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Exactly, Heather, thirty thousand US parents. I mean, this was

1563
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a serious survey.

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Right, absolutely, and I think it just underscores that there's

1565
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a need across the country in every state. And to

1566
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Jody's point, this really is not a political issue, right.

1567
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I Mean, there are a few things you can get

1568
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eighty nine percent of parents to agree on that they're

1569
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willing to spend their tax dollars on.

1570
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And that's what they said in the survey abo after school.

1571
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Yeah, it seems like the eighty twenty issues are really

1572
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this is the era for eighty twenty issues, isn't it?

1573
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You know?

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I think after school programs. One thing that's been really

1575
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nice is we have always enjoyed broad support across the

1576
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political spectrum because when policymakers see the difference these programs

1577
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make in their local communities, they become champions. And we

1578
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need to do more of that. We need people to

1579
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be showcasing the amazing programs that exist and demanding resources

1580
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so that we can reach more kids with them.

1581
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Well, Heather, are children families in every eight are they

1582
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able to access these after school programs?

1583
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We see these gaps in every state.

1584
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I mean it varies a little bit state by state,

1585
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but there is not one state that is fulfilling all

1586
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the need you know that that's out there for after

1587
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school programs.

1588
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Now, is this a federal issue or is it a

1589
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combined state federal issue?

1590
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I would say it's local, state and federal, right, So

1591
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we need.

1592
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Yeah, let's get let's get the Holy Trinity all involved.

1593
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In and not just I mean and everybody because the

1594
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best of after school is your library, is your parks

1595
01:28:30.399 --> 01:28:32.359
and recks, your boys and girls clubs are four age

1596
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like getting your businesses, getting them together to pool those

1597
01:28:36.199 --> 01:28:40.399
resources to support our kids. So and absolutely, you know

1598
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local dollars, state dollars, federal dollars, but also there's you know,

1599
01:28:44.039 --> 01:28:48.079
philanthropy like New York Life is making a huge impact

1600
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on helping more of our kids access these programs.

1601
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You know, Heather, as Joey's talking about, you're getting everybody involved.

1602
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I got to imagine the parents probably have some great

1603
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ideas as well, right, Yeah, I.

1604
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Mean I think parents are the ones that really understand

1605
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this the best, right, and that's why I think it's

1606
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such a broadly supported issue. Anybody who has children has

1607
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this dilemma at two thirty and three o'clock, you know,

1608
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what are my kids going to be doing?

1609
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How are they going to be safe?

1610
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And you know, parents, I think, you know, tend to

1611
01:29:15.000 --> 01:29:18.119
hopefully have something from K through eight, but even high

1612
01:29:18.159 --> 01:29:20.600
school students. You know, this is why the report is

1613
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called America after three pm. You know, left to their

1614
01:29:23.119 --> 01:29:26.319
own devices, kids can sometimes not make the best choices.

1615
01:29:26.560 --> 01:29:29.000
But if they have access to these programs, you know,

1616
01:29:29.039 --> 01:29:31.760
they're safe, they're learning, and they're decreasing their screen time,

1617
01:29:31.800 --> 01:29:34.520
which I think is also really important, Jody.

1618
01:29:35.159 --> 01:29:37.760
You know, in my parenting experience, I found that the

1619
01:29:37.800 --> 01:29:41.920
teenagers required more supervision than when they were children. And

1620
01:29:42.000 --> 01:29:44.159
I mean little ones. We little ones when we changed

1621
01:29:44.199 --> 01:29:48.119
diapers and we thought that was a disruption. But teenagers,

1622
01:29:48.159 --> 01:29:51.960
because the options that are available to them today versus

1623
01:29:51.960 --> 01:29:54.760
when you know, we were growing up, I mean, it

1624
01:29:54.880 --> 01:29:59.239
is just so immense the options that are available to them. Right.

1625
01:30:00.079 --> 01:30:01.800
We want to make it easier, as Heather said, for

1626
01:30:01.840 --> 01:30:03.439
them to make good choices.

1627
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Not bad choices.

1628
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And a lot of the programs now for older youth too,

1629
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have career exploration, internships, jobs, apprenticeships, not to mention, as

1630
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we say, student voice and choice, so we can see

1631
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the best of students as they help design some of

1632
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the programs to learn the things that they want to

1633
01:30:20.279 --> 01:30:20.720
be learning.

1634
01:30:21.439 --> 01:30:24.399
Yeah, and Heather, but you know you're kind of touching

1635
01:30:24.439 --> 01:30:27.279
on this, and that is that you're creating more programs, right,

1636
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New programs a long way.

1637
01:30:29.479 --> 01:30:32.039
Yeah, absolutely, And I think you know, more funding allows

1638
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us to not just expand and increase seats, but it

1639
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allows programs to become more innovative and offer different kinds.

1640
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Of opportunities to children.

1641
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And you know, these are the skills frankly, that they're

1642
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going to need when they graduate from school and go

1643
01:30:44.600 --> 01:30:48.640
on into the workforce. Right, They're building responsible decision making, learning,

1644
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social skills.

1645
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These are the intangibles that are going to make a

1646
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difference for them.

1647
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Well, great job on this survey. I have to let

1648
01:30:54.840 --> 01:30:58.560
you go reluctantly, Jody and Heather. Jody, let me ask

1649
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you where can the people go for more information?

1650
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A listener should go to Afterschool Alliance dot org. You

1651
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can get national information, state information, and sign up for

1652
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alert so that you can use your voice to make

1653
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a difference.

1654
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Jody Grant, the executive director of After School Alliance, and

1655
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Heather Nashley, the president of the New York Life Foundation,

1656
01:31:16.960 --> 01:31:20.960
which supports after school programs. As we mentioned earlier, thank

1657
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you so much for being with us. Take care, have

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Welcome morning, Welcome back, Bill Martinez here. Great to have

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you with us, sharing a part of your day. For

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Bill Martinez Live dot com. Rebecca Chambers is with us.

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We're going to talk about the month of October Down

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Syndrome Awareness Month.

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Right, that's correct, Bill.

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Well, let's talk about Down syndrome. You know, there's a

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lot of misunderstanding. I mean, it's run the gamut. I mean,

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it really breaks my heart that in some country, some

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area is discussing that. You know, if you're pregnant with

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a Down syndrome child, then it's an automatic abortion, and

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in some cases you don't even have a say on it.

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Right, that's correct.

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Several European countries, Iceland is one in particular, where it's

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it's unheard of almost have a child with Down syndrome.

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Well, and the thing is, we, by experience, Rebecca, have

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learned those families who have been blessed with a Down

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syndrome child, and I say blessed, capitalize their quotes everything else.

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You know, it's it's very special for them. And I

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know for some people that may think, oh my goodness,

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you know to deal with the down? Could I deal

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with it? And I'll tell you what, the families who

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started out probably asked the same question, didn't they.

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Yes, I'm a good example of that.

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Bill.

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We found out that our son, Callian had Down syndrome

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the day he was born, and it shocked us. And

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the emotions that ran through us were fear and shame.

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Shame. Shame.

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Yeah, that that is a lie from the devil. But yes,

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I wondered what I'd done to deserve having a child

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that was less than is how I deemed it at

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the time. It's not how I deem it today after

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living with my child for eight years. Our son just

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turned eight years old, and he's such a blessing. But

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that's not what society tells us. It's not what the

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doctors tell us. When you get that kind of diagnosis,

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they act like it's something to be grieved and mourned.

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And it's true, it's not the expectation that you had.

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But cal is such a blessing to our fami. I

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can't imagine our family without him, just the way he is. Yes,

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developmentally he's behind his peers, he doesn't. He doesn't talk

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a lot. He only has a few words. But I'll

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tell you what he lets you know what he wants.

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He has his own way of communicating and he gets

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his point across. But Bill, he's so loving, so affectionate,

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Like I get cuddles from my son every night, and

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he's just he exudes joy. He loves music and dances

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around singing at the top of his lungs every chance

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he gets. And he's just He's such a delight to

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us and such a joy to us.

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Yeah. I often hear from parents that their down syndrome

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child has opened up parts of their heart that they

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never realized were there.

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Oh yeah, oh yeah. For us. One of the big

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mindset changes that came with having cal as I defined

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so much of my life by I was the smart one,

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graduated at the top of my class. My husband comes

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from a very athletic family, and we had a lot

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of definition around these abilities that we had and just

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realizing we're all made in God's image and we all

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have inherent value for that very reason, no matter whether

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we have disabilities or excel at whatever skill, We're all

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other's as well.

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Yeah, it's almost like disabilities. I hesitate to use it

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because it's disabilities based on our perception, but it's different abilities,

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is what I've perceived, and being around families who were

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blessed by down syndrome, by a down syndrome child, and

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you don't know until you actually go through it. As

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He is our only child?

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Yes?

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Right?

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Well?

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01:42:11.960 --> 01:42:14.479
And the thing is that also I appreciate is their

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interaction with other children. It's amazing how they will be

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a lightning rod of joy and love to other kids.

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I mean, I see a down syndrome child that interacts

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with their peer group in a sense that you know

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roughly the age, you know, just in terms of growth

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01:42:32.920 --> 01:42:35.119
in that sort of thing. And when they mix with

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the kids, Oh my goodness, I mean in the elation

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01:42:39.079 --> 01:42:43.119
and the jubilants that takes place, it's so dugone infectious.

1855
01:42:43.640 --> 01:42:45.880
Is that the same way that you've experienced as well?

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Yes, his teachers call him the celebrity of his class,

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01:42:49.760 --> 01:42:52.039
and he spent part of his time in a special

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01:42:52.039 --> 01:42:55.239
needs classroom and part of his time with his peers,

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01:42:55.319 --> 01:42:59.880
with his typical peers, and they adore him. They like

1860
01:43:00.039 --> 01:43:03.199
the teacher has a hard time keeping the class settled

1861
01:43:03.199 --> 01:43:05.479
and in session because everybody wants to come give him

1862
01:43:05.520 --> 01:43:08.920
a hug. And yeah, he gives hugs freely. He loves

1863
01:43:09.000 --> 01:43:13.199
being the center of attention and he just he he

1864
01:43:13.279 --> 01:43:14.760
loves on those kids.

1865
01:43:16.279 --> 01:43:19.720
So what would you say, first of all, for parents

1866
01:43:20.039 --> 01:43:23.560
that you know, because science being what it is, I mean,

1867
01:43:23.560 --> 01:43:27.800
in your case, you didn't find out until cal you know,

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01:43:28.000 --> 01:43:30.760
was out of the womb, but a lot of parents

1869
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find out, you know, before the child is born. What

1870
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what would be your advice and your counsel to parents

1871
01:43:38.720 --> 01:43:41.239
who receive this diagnosis.

1872
01:43:42.680 --> 01:43:46.520
First of all, I would say, it's it's okay to grief.

1873
01:43:46.840 --> 01:43:50.800
Don't like, don't be ashamed that you have feelings of grief.

1874
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It's okay. It's it's not what you expected, right, But

1875
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you will grow to learn as you have this child

1876
01:43:58.119 --> 01:44:02.760
that they are such a gift. They're they're a light

1877
01:44:03.800 --> 01:44:08.399
in your eyes. They'll be a joy and while things

1878
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won't be what you expected, they might just be so

1879
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much better.

1880
01:44:14.079 --> 01:44:16.840
Yeah, without a doubt. Well, and the other thing too,

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you know, in a spiritual context to realize that all

1882
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blessings come from God, and you don't know in some

1883
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cases with some blessings, I mean how many times just

1884
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1886
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1889
01:44:46.039 --> 01:44:50.640
Yes, yeah, absolutely, I'm going to miss the verse, but

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I'd like to call your recollection to when Jesus was

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There's a scene it's absolutely precious and one of my

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favorite scenes from the Chosen with little James. I don't

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know if you saw that or not, but I recommend

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it to you and others who have not. It's so touching.

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Little James has a debilitation, a physical debilitation and he's

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with Jesus, and he's he, you know, Jesus healing everybody

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in fact, you know, And he tells the apostles, look it,

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I want you to go out and sends out seventy

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two of them the Bible documents to go out and heal. Right,

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and little James is thinking, I need healing. How can

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I go and be a healer when I myself need healing?

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And Jesus basically said, what you just communicated to our

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audience is that it was for God's glory, and it

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01:46:02.920 --> 01:46:08.760
gave little James a sense of peace and understanding that

1911
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it wasn't about him being healed. It was more important

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that others were healed. And that's what the Kingdom of

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Heaven is all about. And so, you know, it's interesting,

1914
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you know, because in that period of time people wanted

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to blame somebody, and I guess maybe, you know, because

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of the fall, And you know, I always go back

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to the beginning and what happened to the garden. When

1918
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God told Adam and Eve that surely they would die,

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they had no idea what death meant. And and but

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here we are, we're living it out in all its dimensions,

1921
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and uh, and we just can't wait until we don't

1922
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have to die any longer, you know, And so you

1923
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know this, this part of the party is over. Of course,

1924
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we can live in a in a mindset that we

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are liberated from that because of what Jesus did at Calvary,

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and we're eternally grateful and will continue to work through

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that as it is a process, right, like dealing with

1928
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a down syndrome child. You know, there's no there's no

1929
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ready made manual, is there no?

1930
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Just like for no child.

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Children are different, right, no child, Like there's not just

1932
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one set cookie cutter that makes every child right, and

1933
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they're all different. And my husband and I think about

1934
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this a lot because we have people that, you know,

1935
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that act like it's a hardship for us, and we

1936
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don't see it as a hardship at all. Like, for one,

1937
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we don't know any better because he's our only child

1938
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and we don't know what it's like. But we see

1939
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his peers that are defiant to their parents. Not that

1940
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my kid can't be a little defiant, but it's it's

1941
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on a different level, and we think we've got it

1942
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easy from a behavioral standpoint, Like our kid is so

1943
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loving and he's like and he behaves very well, and

1944
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we don't have to deal.

1945
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With stuff like that.

1946
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We might still be changing diapers for our eight year

1947
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old and working through pot training, but but behaviorally, we've

1948
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got what we feel is practically a little angel on

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our hands.

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Yeah, exactly. And as you say, each child, regardless of

1951
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the situation, has to develop at their own pace, right, yes, yeah,

1952
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so just walk walk it through and count it all

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joy as the word says.

1954
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Right, that's right, that's right, it is.

1955
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That is a good point. I do a debo here

1956
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at focus periodically on what I've learned parenting a child

1957
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with Down syndrome. And that is my final point is

1958
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what are you going to focus on? I can focus

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on the the how developmentally behind he is, or I

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can be focusing on all this love and joy that

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he exudes and what a joy that brings to us

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as a family into those around him. And I'm choosing

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to focus on this and to give thanks.

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Right yeah amen? Amen? Well, and and calculate care less.

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That is true.

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I mean, that's that's the beauty of it.

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You know.

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It's like I'm okay, yeah, yeah, right, Oh gosh, I'll

1969
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tell you I'm so grateful for you for coming on

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this is you've really blessed us. And of course Rebecca

1971
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works with the Focus on the Family and as she mentions,

1972
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she does a devotion and is you know, very open

1973
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and sharing with others there at Focus. And again, we

1974
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thank you so much for more information. Should anybody would

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like to get more information about Down syndrome, where would

1976
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you recommend that they go?

1977
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The National Down Syndrome Society DSS is a great resource

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for education on Down syndrome.

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Great Rebecca Chambers, thank you so much for being with us.

1980
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Take care God, bless God, bless cal give them a

1981
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big hug for us. Okay, well do thanks, thank you

1982
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got it.

1983
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Timeshare owners, listen to this. You know it's coming your

1984
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time share maintenance fee bill at RFA cancelations. We've seen

1985
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timeshare maintenance fees rising every year, and I bet you

1986
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have too. Most of our clients that we help get

1987
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rid of their time shares don't have that kind of

1988
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free money laying around. If you don't either, call us

1989
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1990
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1991
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share with zero money down with approved credit. If you

1992
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1993
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want a legal way to get out of it. We

1994
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can help you get out of your timeshare contract right

1995
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now and stop paying all the maintenance fees, plus put

1996
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