Oct. 16, 2025

The Bill Martinez Show 10 16 25

The Bill Martinez Show 10 16 25
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The Bill Martinez Show 10 16 25
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Are you ready, Yeah, Okay, let's do it.

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Ill Martinez Live a program about current events, our culture,

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our values, our politics, and our future.

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And now Bill Martinez.

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Well, good morning, and welcome Bill Martinez here along with

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Mike O'Neil from Landmark Legal. Hey Mike, good morning.

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Good morning Bill. It's good to be with you.

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Well, a lot going on still, I think we're keeping

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an eye on all things Israel still Hamas. You know,

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we knew that it was going to be a bit

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of a challenge, even though Trump says, hey, look we

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can make it easier, make it hard, and you know

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he's not going to pull any punches on that, but

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look at I think that, you know, when just strategically,

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this is just me thinking that when Hamas surrendered the

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twenty live prisoners, the hostages, that was really there. You know,

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that was a lot of leverage that they released that

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they surrendered there. And so now you've got bodies, and

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we've got seven of the twenty eight bodies I guess

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so far, and they're having a hard time finding I

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think Egypt is going in to try to help them

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locate the rest of the bodies, and meanwhile, maybe they're

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waking up you know Hamasa's I mean they're executing people

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they're in in Gaza that supposedly had supported Israel and

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supported the United States. I mean, this is like the

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killing Fields all over again.

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Mike, Oh, it's it's terrible.

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I mean, that's it's a great thing to have this,

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this deal that was that was orchestrated by the President

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of United States. I mean, what what images we were

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we were blessed with over the weekend when we got

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to see when we got to see these hostages being

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released to their families. What amazing, what amazing visuals was that?

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And so all the credit to President Trump for orchestrating

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this with all the incredible amounts of moving parts and

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all the effort that was put into place with this

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to have a pathway to have a lasting peace in

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this region.

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And I think that's exemplary.

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One thing that I just wanted to know before we

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touch on what you were just talking about, is I

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thought politically it was interesting they had one of the

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this stood out to me and listening to so much

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coverage over this over the past couple of days, they

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had a hostage Israeli and he was talking. It was

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some interview I don't know if it was an Israeli

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interview or an American media outlet that was interviewing him,

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but the hostage had said that Hamas wanted Kamala Harris

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to win, yes, and he was aware of that. And

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I think that's just funny that an Israeli hostage was

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pretty to the political machinations of Hamas when he was

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a hostage, saying that he distinctly could notice that they

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wanted Kamala Harris to win, and that once Donald Trump

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won the election, he was treated markedly differently, right, And.

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Yeah, I thought that was interesting too. It's good you

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bring that up.

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Yes, go ahead, And they said, and I think that

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host said something to the effect of well why, and

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the hostage said, well, they were scared of Donald Trump.

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They're scared of Trump. And I thought that that kind

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of resonated for me.

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That resonated, and that showed the ability for the president

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to be effective on the international stage. I thought, obviously

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it was amazing the fact that he could go Donald

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Trump could go to the Israeli legislature.

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I always mispronounce with the kiss net.

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I always mispronounced that kanesse it and receive a standing

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route you know, ovation feted wonderful, was able to talk

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very plainly to the to Bibi net Yaho, the opposition,

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the wade into Israeli politics and all of that.

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It was fantastic.

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Then merely hours later was able to stand on another

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stage with Islamic and Muslim leaders and you know, the

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heads of all these countries and have the same presence.

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And so only one person on the planet can go

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from Israel to Egypt in one fell swoop in one

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afternoon and be able to unite different parts, you know,

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disparate parties who have such contrasting interest in worldview and

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in the attempt to unite this for peace. And I

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think that that was an amazing testament to Donald Trump's power,

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of his personality and how he how effective a world

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leader he is now not just an American leader, but

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a world leader, somebody who can bring this now now

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to touch on the complications that are obviously arising.

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Now.

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I think that he the Trump, the President, spoke on

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this at least the last time I checked that there's

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that that this isn't going to be tolerated for much

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longer that I get.

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At least I was under.

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The impression initially that this was that that this was

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the Palestinians trying to get the more radical elements under

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under control within their their their whatever their locations. I

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wasn't aware that Hamas was executing pro Israeli people. That

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obviously is very concerning if that's happening now.

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Yeah, yeah, that's that's going on. And the thing is

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is that, yeah, this is a terrible report, uh to

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hear this, because it says that they're not willing to

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give up their weapons, they're not willing to relent any

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kind of power and control that they've had all these years.

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And uh, and they're going to probably go down fighting.

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And and the Palestinians need to understand as well as

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that here they're at the doorstep of peace and prosperity.

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And but for this radical group that they elected into office, uh,

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you know, they're they're being deprived of that. And here

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you know, you saw you know, hundreds of thousands. Would

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it looked like going back into Gaza, which I'm going,

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what are you going back to? And what's all they know?

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But you know, the rubble is, but it's their their

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zip code and what they're familiar with and figure Okay, well,

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they're going to trust the international community to help them rebuild,

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but they can't possibly do that if Hamas is in

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control of the Gaza. That's just untenable. And so, uh,

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it's gonna be tough all the way around there. But

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I think that it seems that what Hamas has decided

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to do is, uh, they're gonna do it. They're gonna

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do it the hard way. But as you mentioned, the

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neighboring Arab nations, they put pressure, you know, cutter Saudi Arabia,

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Egypt on Jimas saying, hey, you got a plane, it's over.

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But it's not over until they say they're over, because

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guess what they've got weaponry still.

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Right, And again I think that the other countries, as

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you said, the other Islamic Muslim countries in the area,

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have their credibility on the line. I mean you saw Saudis,

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the Egyptians, the Turks, the Jordanians, I mean they were

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all they were all behind Donald Trump on that stage. Yes, right,

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they're on the hook for it, and that's you know,

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and I'm sure they put their credibility on the line.

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So if to the extent of which has Hamasa just

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needs it needs to be, it's gone. It's it's obviously

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it's a terrorist organization that it needs to be.

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There should be no more.

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Well, it's it's like the Taliban situation. We went through

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with the Taliban and then look what happened. You've got

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to take them all the way out right, you know,

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it's just basically, I mean World War two all over again.

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You could not allow the Nazis to continue right.

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Exactly, the destruction to the point of exhaustion.

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And then that's necessity because they're just there is no

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reclamation for a terrorist organization of that horror. They need

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to be destroyed and to the extent, to the extent again,

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I come back to the Arab world's credibility is on

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the line, and I'd say Israel's done what they've done

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they needed to do to ensure and protect their homeland,

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to defend their people. And now it's not just the Israelis,

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it's the Egyptians, it's the Jordanians, it's the Saudis that

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need to be on the ball here. And again, as

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I said, they were the ones there behind Donald Trump.

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They were integral again, the Turks apparently and the Egyptians

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were integral.

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To this to this accord. So there are the hook

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as well well.

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And look how many are just waiting. I mean, right now,

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you've got four Arab nations involved in the Abrahamic Accords,

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even though President Trump like says, Abraham I don't know

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what whatever, he's got that fetish one. But that's okay.

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But you got four, and then you've got the rest

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of them that are lying. I mean, Saudi Arabia was

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you know, at the head of the line before you know,

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October seventh, and then uh, that put a pause on

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all that. But see they see the Arab see the

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future of peace and prosperity and the benefits of it.

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So and and why not I mean thousands of years

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of unrest and and uh killing and terror and everything

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like that. How's that work for you?

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Yeah, it's been Yeah, obviously it hasn't. I mean again

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you I guess you say the Kataris too.

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That's right, exactly, guitar right to bring peace to the region.

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So we again remains as you said, this is the

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hard work, this is what's necessary to ensure that there

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is some sort of lasting peace in this region.

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And again prayers, Israel has done. Israel has done what's necessary.

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You know, has created the environment where hope there's this

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lasting piece that can take hold and take root in

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the region, and so the Israeli state can live in peace,

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which it should have been living in peace for decades.

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And we plan to this right, Amen, got to go

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Welcome back Bill Martinez here along with Mike O'Neil from

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Landmark Legal. Mike, just to kind of summarize this first

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segment in talking about the Middle East, a lot of optimism,

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some a lot of cautious optimism at the same time.

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But you know, the thing that is tough even for

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Western civilization to live up to its standards and understanding

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that there's a time for war and time for peace.

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And you've got to know the difference. If you don't,

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you're going to get yourself into trouble. And uh. And

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and it's tough when you when you're faced with evil,

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you think you can negotiate with evil. You cannot negotiate

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with evil. Evil has a set agenda. And and this

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is this is really what we're dealing with right now.

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And if we can't deal with this, there's more to come.

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And right now I think we've got you know, we

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have great opportunity here. We've pushed it back and uh,

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but it has to be judged for what it is.

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Absolutely, I mean, with the events of October seventh were

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horrific and the world saw that that. And Israel has

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been fighting for its existence since its inception, obviously, and

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those events just put a punctuation on the fact that

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they were dealing with barbarism and evil, and the efforts

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that they've had to undergo to be on this war

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footing for the past two years to put this to

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rest have been necessary and important. As you said, there

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is a window here the balls in the courts of

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these of the Palace, I guess, of the Palestinian people,

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the residents of Gaza, the rest of the Arab world

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to say condemn this and say this isn't tolerable and

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to put the screws on any remnants of Hamas that

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continue to want to propagate violence.

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Yeah, without a doubt. Hey, let's talk to the Supreme Court.

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Huh lots going on? Go ahead?

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Yeah, yeah, today is actually October fifteenth.

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There's oral arguments in a really important case with a

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lot of political implications going forward for our country Louisiana

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versus Cala.

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And we'll get a decision on this. And this is interesting.

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Obviously, you have these oral arguments in October and you

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don't get these decisions until the spring, late late spring,

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early summer, so there's obviously this pause. But this is

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an important case because you're going to hear about whether

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Section two of the Voting Rights Act is constitutional. Now

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can be a held. Why Section two of the Voting

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Rights Act important, Well, this is the racial gerrymandering provision

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of the law that that kind of obligates these state

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state legislatures to create minority majority districts, established minority majority districts.

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If they don't do.

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This, they risk being accused of voter dilution, minority vote

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dilution and subject to the provisions of Section.

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Two of the Voting Rights Act.

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So what happens here is that that action is intension

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with the fourteenth Amendment, because state legislatures are taking an

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action discriminating on the basis of race. They're drawing these

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congressional districts, and you can see these districts how they're

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jerrymandered in such a form as to ensure minority majority

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res populations.

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So what's been the effect of this.

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Practically, the effect has been political scientists anticipate that estimate

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that this was plus nineteen Democrat members of Congress, so

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that if state legislatures aren't obligated to consider race when

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they're drawing their political their congressional districts. You're going to

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look at a swing of plus nineteen Republicans in the

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House of Representatives, which is serious political implications. The one

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operative thing to talk about is the Voting Rights Act.

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Pretty it's interesting.

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So it's so successful now it's really a vestige of

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a bygone era. There's no need for the Voting Rights

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Act anymore.

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But I'm glad, I'm glad you're saying this, because this

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divides us. What they're talking about now is the Ununited

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States of America.

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Yeah, exactly.

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And the Voting Rights Act, of course, was enacted in

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the wake of Jim Crow, and there was a necessity

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for this. You had all these institutional barriers to minority enfranchisement,

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so it was important and necessary that this law take

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effect to ensure that states could no longer enact these

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measures to disfranchise minority voters, specifically African Americans. And thirteen

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years ago, in twenty thirteen, there was a case called

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Shelby County versus Holder, where the court said, look Section five,

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the preclearance provisions of the Voting Rights Act are no

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longer necessary because states don't take there's no incidents, there's

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no examples of states taking instituting institutional barriers to minority voting.

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It doesn't exist anymore.

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No state legislature takes enacts a law designed to prevent

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minorities from voting as opposed to what they were doing

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in the nineteen twenties, thirties, forties, etc. That doesn't happen anymore.

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So the law has been effective. You don't there's no

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necessity for it. And interesting, if anybody listens to oral arguments,

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you're going to hear this. Most likely you're going to

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hear the advocates for Section two trying to cobble together

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instances where states have done actions that have disenfranchised minority voters.

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They're saying, no, no, no, we need these sections still

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because because states still do things to ensure that minorities

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can't vote, and you say no, that doesn't hold water.

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Those are even don't pass the smell test.

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They didn't pas the smell test in twenty thirteen in

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Shelby County where we're talking about the preclearance issues, and

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they're not certainly not going to pass the muster in

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twenty twenty five. So I think the conservative majority quote

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unquote conservative majority of the Supreme Court is poised to

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throw section Section five or section two of the Voting

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Rights Act out like they did thirteen years ago. Practically speaking,

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it might result in redistricting and a plus nineteen Republicans

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in Congress, which of course is going to get the

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left and sensed a note to the nth degree.

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You see, the focus for me should be, you know,

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an acknowledgment that we're more united than we've ever been. Yeah,

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I mean, look what's happened. I mean, you've got mixed marriages,

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You've got people moving into neighborhoods because you know, they

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qualified for it. They by merit have been able to

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rise to that level in their communities. And the thing

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that is holding it back are these governments subsidized you know,

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sections of communities. And so it's like two steps forward,

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three back, Thank you very much, local governments, right right.

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And it's funny if you look at the districts.

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So what happened in this case in Louisiana is the

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state legislature felt obligated to create another minority majority district

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they had one, and now then they had it to add,

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they added another one. And if you look at the

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machinations that the legislature goes through to trying to draw

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these congressional districts.

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It's really it gets to be absurd.

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You see this congressional district that stretches from one end

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of the state to the other end of the state,

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with all these little protrusions, it looks like a piece

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of spaghetti. And the only motivating factor on this is

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to ensure minority majority voting. You don't have commonalities from

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one people from from one state side of the state

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to the other state. The only commonality you have is

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is race. And so it's it's again as you said,

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it's kind of designed to just further divide us amongst

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race and have an official state action the motivation of

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which is racial.

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And it's like it's like school. It's like school busing, right,

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I mean in a goofy kind of way. I mean

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that kind of mentality.

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Geographically coherent congressional districts, socioeconomically coherent congressional districts where you

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can have a representative, truly representative the interests of their

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of their electorate.

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You have to have.

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A member of Congress represent people in far eastern or

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far north eastern Louisiana and far southwestern Louisiana. And so

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you say, okay, well, what's my commonality here? Well, exactly

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commonality here is the fact that we're all you.

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Know, we're we're just we're minorities, right.

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And so it's gotten to the point where that that

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doesn't that doesn't hold water in twenty twenty five in

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our in our society.

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Which is good, right, this is all good.

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Well, I I think it's a good thing. But we

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but the problem we got, Mike is that see, I

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think the majority of Americans are there, and you know

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they agree with what we're talking about right now. But

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you get you get these political activists that want to

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just get action to the people and agitate and and

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you talk about putting them all back in chains again

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and doing that. It's regressive, certainly, yeah.

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And and of course you get the people, the individuals

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who are going to be who are wedded to the

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status quo. Well, I've held that, you know, I want

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to hold this district forever because this is why you know,

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you'll get Maxine Waters or right for decades and decades

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and decades and you're like, oh my god, Okay, how

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effective is this? Has this person been? Well, how can

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they adequately represent the diverse interests of their electorate when

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you've got such geographic spacing and just socioc and it

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just it just gets to the point where it's just Okay,

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it's time to move forward in our country and understand

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that this at the time, this was necessary, it's been effective.

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It's eliminated institutional barriers to voting race on the basis

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to disenfranchisement of minority voters.

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It's been successful.

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Minority voters vote in the same numbers, if not more numbers.

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Then in certain elections like if you look the Biden

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I think twenty twenty or twenty sixteen, twenty twenty more,

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there was a higher enfranchisement of minority voters than there

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were in white voters and sections of the country. So

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it's time to move forward. Say, okay, put this in

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our rearview mirror. Let's go forward, and let's continue to

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continue to advance as of people.

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Well, I'll change. I think this is awesome. I really

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I think it's just opportune to be able to again

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as we continue to move to a more perfect union, Right, right, that's.

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That's the goal here, and neutrality. The fourteenth Amendment says

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race is not to be considered in state actions. And

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unless you have this overwhelming state interest that can justify

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it under strict what was constitutional?

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What a strict scrutiny?

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And maybe there was Again the argument was maybe in

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the fifties and sixties there was necessary, there is a

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need for that.

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Well that it doesn't. It doesn't pass.

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Strict scrutiny if you're going to discriminate on the basis

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of race, and that's what you are. You're discriminating on

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the basis of race. You're using race as the operative factor.

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There is no there is no overwhelming state interest anymore

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for them.

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So right, well, let's let's keep it. I mean, I'm

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looking forward to you know, and we'll keep an eye

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on this, and uh, I think, you know, it could

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be a great sign for the progression of our country,

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getting back to you know, some constitutional uh you know

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predicated the decisions here that I anything that supports and

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promotes the Constitution, I'm with it one hundred percent. So

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this is good news. So we'll keep an eye on it,

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and thank you so much for bringing it to our

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attention and keeping us up to date. Mike O'Neil. He's

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the assistant General counsel of the Landmark Legal. Uh Mike.

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Hey, we're back with you, Bill Martinez here. Good to

547
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have you with us. We've got to Nils Gravillius to

548
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talk about what's going on with these recent mass shootings

549
00:29:04.799 --> 00:29:06.359
and what are we missing here?

550
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Nils, Well, we've got a very insecure populous, Bill. Insecure

551
00:29:14.160 --> 00:29:19.240
populations do insecure things, Yes, that's that's part of it.

552
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But what every single mass shooter has in common if

553
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they are not psychotic, meaning perceiving a threat that doesn't exist.

554
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Is they have metastatic self pity. They feel so sorry

555
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for themselves, and they have a unique sense of personal grievance,

556
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and they take personally events that are that have absolutely

557
00:29:48.960 --> 00:29:51.640
nothing to do with them, or do have something to

558
00:29:51.680 --> 00:29:55.880
do with them. It could go either way. Let's say

559
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I don't like the newest high school policy on showing

560
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my testicles in the women's locker room, right right right,

561
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and I'm fond of wearing a skirt to cover my

562
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testicles typically unless I'm showing off in the locker room,

563
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and so I'm upset about that. I feel very sorry

564
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for myself. I have a unique sense of personal grievance.

565
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When I cross over into irrational violence, I'm going to

566
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lash out at the people that I believe are offending me,

567
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hurting me, stopping me, et cetera. Those are the things

568
00:30:30.079 --> 00:30:33.359
that these guys all have in common. Some of them

569
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are female, A minority of them naturally are female. Right now,

570
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we've had a couple of mass shootings that I think

571
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are related to cannabis psychosis, though here recently.

572
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I know that seems to be increasing. What is going

573
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on here. Is it just because the cannabis is more

574
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potent compared to when we were growing up?

575
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Well, I think it's that, and it's also that it's endemic.

576
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It's considered normal now smoke cannabis, I mean, And here

577
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in California Bill, it's encouraged almost. You know, you're supporting

578
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the state. They're going to tax it and everything's going

579
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to be green and beautiful. Well not so fast. The

580
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gangsters aren't paying tax on the cannabis that they that

581
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they distribute, and they just use legal distribution. You know,

582
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ten percent of their distribution will be legal and the

583
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rest of it will be illegal. And when a police

584
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officer finds somebody with an ounce of cannabis, they can't

585
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tell whether it's bootleg or taxed, or legitimate or illegitimate.

586
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And if you're a cop on the street, do you

587
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want to waste your time monkey around with someone unless

588
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you can make a case on them. No, you don't.

589
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So that's what we have going on. So cannabis pushes

590
00:31:51.440 --> 00:31:55.039
some people who are prone to paranoid schizophrenia over into

591
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paranoid schizophrenia, and once they're schizophrenic, they're never Unschizophrenic can

592
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be it can be mitigated with psychmeds and treatment that

593
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sort of thing, but if they continue using cannabis, it

594
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just gets worse.

595
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Wow, that's that's crazy. I've not heard that once your schizophrenic,

596
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there's no going back.

597
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Huh, yeah, there's no, there's no becoming because you've redone

598
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your brain chemistry. And people don't understand what schizophrenia is.

599
00:32:24.519 --> 00:32:29.519
And I'll provide a metaphor. Okay, it's a little bit

600
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like being in a labyrinth where you sense more than

601
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one minutetaur and so cannabis causes the user to over

602
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reflect on who they are and what they're thinking and

603
00:32:45.440 --> 00:32:46.960
that sort of thing. And that's why a lot of

604
00:32:47.000 --> 00:32:50.599
idiots on dope think that they're brilliant, that they have

605
00:32:50.640 --> 00:32:53.240
all these amazing thoughts, and they write them down when

606
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they're high on cannabis and look at their notes later

607
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and they can't figure out what it is that they

608
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thought they saw. That sort of thing, so they're in

609
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that labyrinth. And then to cross over into cannabis psychosis

610
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paradig schizophrenia, you've locked the doors of the labyrinth. You've

611
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exponentially multiplied the numbers of minotaurs stalking the sufferer, and

612
00:33:19.359 --> 00:33:23.920
you've added funhouse mirrors around every corner, where the person

613
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is more distorted in their thinking than they were a

614
00:33:27.519 --> 00:33:32.160
moment before, and they perceive threats that don't exist. These

615
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two former marines, the one in Michigan and the one

616
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in North Carolina. The one in Michigan who launched the

617
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attack on the Mormon church, rammed his truck into it

618
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and engaged in a shootout with the police and ultimately

619
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died set a fire. All that he was forty years old.

620
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He had a long history of drug use, but at

621
00:33:51.799 --> 00:33:56.359
one time he was capable of honorable military service as

622
00:33:56.359 --> 00:34:01.839
a young man. Yes, schizophrenia typically it's organic schizophrenia. It

623
00:34:01.880 --> 00:34:06.680
sets in between ages sixteen and twenty four. So suddenly,

624
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at age forty, this man is so disordered and aggressive

625
00:34:10.840 --> 00:34:14.400
that he's going to launch an attack on innocence in

626
00:34:14.440 --> 00:34:19.239
the Mormon Church. It's irrational aggression, right, And he didn't

627
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have any interaction with that church prior there too. He

628
00:34:22.679 --> 00:34:26.119
had a relationship at one time with a woman who

629
00:34:26.199 --> 00:34:29.719
was an LDS member in Utah, and that may have

630
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had something to do with it the reason that he

631
00:34:31.960 --> 00:34:36.960
was aggressive against that church. But I think he perceived

632
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a threat that didn't exist. In the same weekend, there

633
00:34:40.599 --> 00:34:44.519
was another forty year old Marine in Iraq, VET who

634
00:34:45.079 --> 00:34:50.880
had a diagnosed history of recent schizophrenia, but was able

635
00:34:50.920 --> 00:34:53.840
to function for four years as the United States Marine

636
00:34:53.960 --> 00:34:59.239
was a squad leader, a sergeant, everything honorably discharged, and

637
00:34:59.280 --> 00:35:03.000
seemingly normal up until just a few years ago. And

638
00:35:03.079 --> 00:35:07.239
there are people close to the VA system, not within

639
00:35:07.360 --> 00:35:12.239
the VA system, who suggest to veterans with PTSD that

640
00:35:13.199 --> 00:35:18.519
cannabis will help them deal with their PTSD. Also psilocybin mushrooms.

641
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If I have a problem dealing with reality, anything that

642
00:35:24.320 --> 00:35:28.760
distorts reality is not going to solve my problem. My

643
00:35:28.840 --> 00:35:33.360
father's way of dealing with PTSD was the twelve ounce lift.

644
00:35:33.280 --> 00:35:34.760
Right, yes, exactly.

645
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My father experienced the most grueling, harrowing battle of the

646
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Korean War, the Chosen Reservoir. Oh well, yeah, and he

647
00:35:46.119 --> 00:35:48.960
drank until the day that he died. And he told

648
00:35:49.000 --> 00:35:51.920
me that he drank so that he could sleep. It

649
00:35:52.079 --> 00:35:53.159
switched the war off.

650
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You know.

651
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He wouldn't admit to PTSD as a sixty two year

652
00:35:58.519 --> 00:35:59.079
old man.

653
00:35:59.320 --> 00:35:59.599
I know.

654
00:36:00.159 --> 00:36:02.840
Yeah, back then we didn't know what it was, Nelson,

655
00:36:02.960 --> 00:36:03.440
I mean.

656
00:36:04.000 --> 00:36:07.360
Yeah, well they called it battle fatigue, yes, exactly when

657
00:36:07.400 --> 00:36:10.760
he was a marine, and when I once asked him,

658
00:36:10.760 --> 00:36:13.079
do you think you might have PTSD? I'd read an

659
00:36:13.199 --> 00:36:16.360
article on it when I was in high school, and

660
00:36:17.000 --> 00:36:19.159
my father read the article and he said, no, I

661
00:36:19.199 --> 00:36:22.320
don't think I have this. We called it battle fatigue.

662
00:36:22.760 --> 00:36:26.039
And later, when I was a soldier, after my dad

663
00:36:26.119 --> 00:36:29.119
had a few glasses of whiskey, he shared something with me.

664
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Bill.

665
00:36:30.199 --> 00:36:35.920
He told me how a marine with PTSD meaning battle fatigue,

666
00:36:36.400 --> 00:36:39.519
couldn't stay quiet in the line at night, and his

667
00:36:39.559 --> 00:36:44.320
own squad leader smothered him to death so that the

668
00:36:44.320 --> 00:36:46.079
platoon wouldn't draw fire.

669
00:36:46.440 --> 00:36:52.079
Exactly. You know, Wow, how do you live with that?

670
00:36:52.880 --> 00:36:56.719
Well, if you don't want your men to have PTSD,

671
00:36:56.840 --> 00:36:59.440
don't go into wars. You don't have to have, you know.

672
00:36:59.519 --> 00:37:01.400
That's that's the simplest thing.

673
00:37:02.079 --> 00:37:05.199
Well, well, Nils, you know you're in Los Angeles, by

674
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the way, ladies, gentlemen. Nils is a LA based private detective.

675
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He conducts investigations without regard to local or national borders,

676
00:37:13.920 --> 00:37:16.679
and so we're really grateful for him to come on

677
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and give us some insight. The last time I was now,

678
00:37:19.119 --> 00:37:21.360
I was born and raised in southern California and worked

679
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out of Los Angeles at the local radio stations there,

680
00:37:24.440 --> 00:37:27.039
and I just could not believe the level of homelessness.

681
00:37:27.320 --> 00:37:30.039
But it's not just the homelessness, it's the people that

682
00:37:30.559 --> 00:37:34.719
you're you know, you're describing here who walk around aimlessly

683
00:37:35.000 --> 00:37:38.960
or they're just lying there on the ground, and it's

684
00:37:39.079 --> 00:37:42.519
just it's heartbreaking to see a fellow human being in

685
00:37:42.559 --> 00:37:46.320
that kind of condition. Of those people that are there, Nils,

686
00:37:46.679 --> 00:37:49.119
how many you think are dealing with schizophrenia or some

687
00:37:49.159 --> 00:37:51.920
sort of mental dysfunction like what you're talking about.

688
00:37:52.719 --> 00:37:56.280
Well, I'm going to say that five to six percent

689
00:37:56.360 --> 00:37:59.400
of the people you see on the streets have paranoid schizophrenia,

690
00:38:00.400 --> 00:38:03.280
some of them, many of them it's organic, but more

691
00:38:03.320 --> 00:38:08.440
and more it arises of cannabis psychosis and the rest

692
00:38:08.920 --> 00:38:13.280
our addicts. But I will say that to the NGOs

693
00:38:13.679 --> 00:38:17.840
and the local government people who claim to be addressing

694
00:38:17.880 --> 00:38:23.639
this situation bill, they are inventory in the same way

695
00:38:23.679 --> 00:38:27.760
that palettes of beans and rice are inventory at Costco

696
00:38:27.920 --> 00:38:32.920
and Sam's Club. They create job security for people with

697
00:38:34.679 --> 00:38:37.679
Some of them are very well intentioned, but I would

698
00:38:37.760 --> 00:38:41.480
say that a majority of them now are just parasites.

699
00:38:42.280 --> 00:38:48.440
They're fed with our tax dollars. They accomplish nothing in

700
00:38:48.559 --> 00:38:52.360
terms of solving the problem, and the problem is job

701
00:38:52.440 --> 00:38:55.480
security for them, So what interest do they have in

702
00:38:55.519 --> 00:38:56.039
fixing it?

703
00:38:56.559 --> 00:38:59.199
Exactly? We're we're rewarding all the wrong behavior once again

704
00:38:59.239 --> 00:39:02.159
here and we are really mired in it more than

705
00:39:02.159 --> 00:39:05.599
ever because it's not getting any better, it's getting worse.

706
00:39:05.960 --> 00:39:09.159
And who's there asking the question, you know, the critical

707
00:39:09.239 --> 00:39:12.320
question to really get down to actually doing something about

708
00:39:12.360 --> 00:39:12.840
the problem.

709
00:39:12.960 --> 00:39:18.079
Nils precisely. I think the only medical expert that I

710
00:39:18.119 --> 00:39:22.960
have heard in media who speaks on these of these

711
00:39:22.960 --> 00:39:26.719
things realistically is Drew Pinsky, doctor Drew Right, Doctor Drew

712
00:39:26.840 --> 00:39:31.760
right Right. So one of the things that's amazing about

713
00:39:31.880 --> 00:39:36.000
science is when science is scientific, truly scientific, it makes

714
00:39:36.039 --> 00:39:39.599
advances like you can get men into outer space and

715
00:39:39.639 --> 00:39:42.559
then to the moon and then potentially to Mars. You

716
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can find the cause of bacterial ulcers in someone's gut,

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you know, you remember they discovered the H. Pylori bacteria.

718
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All that advance as well, psychiatric medicine is moving in reverse.

719
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It's not getting better, it's getting worse. They are removing

720
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terms like the psychopath from the DSM, which is their

721
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annual Diagnostic Service manual. And they're trying to make things

722
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like pedophilia and zoophilia to be normal or quote unquote neutral. Well,

723
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really these are perversions and they're rewarding the behavior. And

724
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one more time, there is no metric for malpractice in

725
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psychiatric medicine or in psychology. You've got therapists working for

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727
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728
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to parish practice or something, they're always relying on a

729
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psychiatric opinion. Well, here's the here's the truth bill. You

730
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cannot You cannot make a psychopath into a normal human being.

731
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Once a man or a woman is a psychopath, meaning

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734
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735
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You just exactly, you're rationally aggressive and I've got an

737
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utter lack of conscience. One of the characteristics of the

738
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739
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dupes to get civilian institutions to go along with the

740
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absurdity that I can be treated when I can't be treated.

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I can only be confined if I'm a psychopath exactly.

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Yeah, this is kuy Altaya.

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You are.

824
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You're hitting a nerve here because we have been It

825
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just seems the order of the day nils here. Recently,

826
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we're talking about the compassion that we as America have

827
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and they're you know, people who need help, we're not

828
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helping them with our compassion. We need to understand the

829
00:46:06.280 --> 00:46:08.960
difference and how to deal with this. And you've brought

830
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up some excellent points, because otherwise, I mean, you know,

831
00:46:12.079 --> 00:46:15.400
right now you're saying five six percent, I mean before

832
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you know, it's going to be ten twelve percent. And

833
00:46:17.679 --> 00:46:20.800
each one of those are you know, human torpedoes that

834
00:46:20.880 --> 00:46:24.039
can really turn a community upside down in an instant.

835
00:46:24.119 --> 00:46:26.639
Right, Well, that's what they're doing. I mean, look at

836
00:46:26.800 --> 00:46:30.480
the middle classes punished with this stuff. We're supposed to

837
00:46:30.480 --> 00:46:35.039
tolerate this. When I drive into work along the Foothill Freeway, Bill,

838
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I see hundreds of people in the landscaping along the freeway.

839
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That's where they now live. They're addicted to drugs, they're

840
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mentally ill, that sort of thing. They get all of

841
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their minimal needs met by the people with the garbage

842
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degrees from the state funded ahole factories, who seem to

843
00:46:56.079 --> 00:47:00.000
always be so expert, but they don't solve the problem.

844
00:47:00.079 --> 00:47:03.880
They irrigate it and fertilize it, and they make it worse.

845
00:47:04.559 --> 00:47:06.519
I will tell you what I would do if I

846
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had absolute control of lass AG.

847
00:47:08.840 --> 00:47:11.159
Yeah, let's say you're king for a day, what do

848
00:47:11.159 --> 00:47:11.400
you do?

849
00:47:12.239 --> 00:47:16.920
Short term incarceration with no harm reduction meds or anything

850
00:47:17.000 --> 00:47:19.199
like that. Lock them up for three weeks at a time,

851
00:47:19.760 --> 00:47:24.360
let them go through a hard detox, you know, with

852
00:47:24.480 --> 00:47:27.159
a cement floor and a foam mattress and a blowney

853
00:47:27.239 --> 00:47:31.000
sandwich every day. And you go through that enough times

854
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if you're a narcotics addict, you don't want to go

855
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through it again, and you'll finally raise the white flag

856
00:47:37.199 --> 00:47:39.480
to the top of the pole and look for real help.

857
00:47:39.519 --> 00:47:42.159
And all the real help is in the twelve step programs.

858
00:47:42.199 --> 00:47:49.039
The Narcotics Anonymous and Alcoholics Anonymous have decades of experience

859
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in helping men and women return to normal life. And

860
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those people can never use drugs again or drink again,

861
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but they're freed from the addiction. And that is the

862
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only way that it occurs. All of these fancy doctorate

863
00:48:05.039 --> 00:48:08.800
level programs and this and that and holistic it's all garbage.

864
00:48:08.880 --> 00:48:11.440
None of it works, and a.

865
00:48:11.360 --> 00:48:13.760
Lot about a lot about theory. But when you have something,

866
00:48:13.880 --> 00:48:15.599
I mean, it's amazing, And I'm glad you brought this

867
00:48:15.719 --> 00:48:18.440
up because I've seen the validity time again of the

868
00:48:18.480 --> 00:48:23.119
twelve step program. Uh, you know, it's it's effective. The

869
00:48:23.199 --> 00:48:26.079
data is there, it's empirical, and so why would we

870
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ignore something like that only because you've got somebody who

871
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you know, spent a quarter of a million dollars for

872
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their degree and they they they delve and they mark

873
00:48:37.360 --> 00:48:40.880
it in the theoretical and you know so well.

874
00:48:40.920 --> 00:48:43.719
And the other factor you have is Marxism. You have

875
00:48:44.639 --> 00:48:49.360
dialectic Leninists, yes, who go absolutely insane because the twelve

876
00:48:49.400 --> 00:48:52.599
step people refer to God and what it is that

877
00:48:52.639 --> 00:48:55.559
they're doing well. One of the most scientific scientists in

878
00:48:55.639 --> 00:48:58.559
the history of science and science was built Carl Jung,

879
00:48:59.320 --> 00:49:05.760
the father of analytics psychiatry, once corresponded with one of

880
00:49:05.760 --> 00:49:09.960
the founders I think of alcoholics, anonymous, Bill Wilson. Bill

881
00:49:10.000 --> 00:49:13.840
Wilson was a founder of AA. He once said, there

882
00:49:13.840 --> 00:49:18.239
are some things that science and medicine cannot do, and

883
00:49:18.280 --> 00:49:21.920
that is the exclusive province of God. And we're getting

884
00:49:21.960 --> 00:49:24.000
to the heart of what the problem is here. Billy.

885
00:49:24.280 --> 00:49:26.719
Oh, you're exactly right, because we were just saying the

886
00:49:26.719 --> 00:49:30.840
other day it's either God or it's anti good. You know,

887
00:49:30.880 --> 00:49:34.320
when you mentioned Marxism and socialism, this whole all the

888
00:49:34.440 --> 00:49:37.679
isms are all anti God. You take God out of

889
00:49:37.719 --> 00:49:40.679
the proposition, and I say, you render yourself stupid.

890
00:49:41.639 --> 00:49:45.239
Yeah, I completely agree with you. Well it's there, it's

891
00:49:45.280 --> 00:49:50.400
their abhorrent. They recoil in horror like Dracula presented the

892
00:49:50.440 --> 00:49:53.599
cross when you mentioned God to any of this, Well,

893
00:49:54.280 --> 00:49:57.119
it's just the truth of it. And these are the

894
00:49:57.159 --> 00:50:03.000
same people who if let's say radical Islamic group created

895
00:50:03.599 --> 00:50:08.119
a program for narcotics, eticts and alcoholics and reached out

896
00:50:08.159 --> 00:50:13.360
to them, and they were doing this, suddenly the Left

897
00:50:13.559 --> 00:50:18.039
would find the introduction of God on an Islamic level

898
00:50:18.119 --> 00:50:22.599
to be holistic, wholly impure, and they would be oversmooching

899
00:50:22.639 --> 00:50:26.239
the asses of whichever Muslims were doing it. Well, I

900
00:50:26.280 --> 00:50:29.639
will give the Muslims credit because the Muslims at least

901
00:50:29.639 --> 00:50:33.400
believe in God. Okay, give them credit, and they're much

902
00:50:33.400 --> 00:50:35.760
better than the Marxists, at least in that way.

903
00:50:37.400 --> 00:50:39.280
Well, the Marxis, there's no way the Marxists are going

904
00:50:39.320 --> 00:50:43.039
to believe in God because you can't, you can't execute

905
00:50:43.360 --> 00:50:49.320
the program if you have any conscience toward a toward

906
00:50:49.400 --> 00:50:50.639
an almighty God.

907
00:50:51.039 --> 00:50:53.639
Well, well, what the Marxists are is it's a collection

908
00:50:53.719 --> 00:50:58.800
of people who who fear society and are weaklings, and

909
00:50:58.840 --> 00:51:03.199
they banded together to acquire power, and power is an

910
00:51:03.239 --> 00:51:07.599
irresistible narcotic for weaklings, you know. That's my opinion of

911
00:51:08.039 --> 00:51:08.920
Marxist bill.

912
00:51:09.559 --> 00:51:13.239
Yeah, you just identified some political figures on the Beltway,

913
00:51:14.599 --> 00:51:14.880
you know.

914
00:51:14.960 --> 00:51:18.119
But you're not kidding, man. Did you hear that? Marjorie

915
00:51:18.199 --> 00:51:23.559
Taylor Green today declared that most Republican men in our

916
00:51:23.639 --> 00:51:28.679
Congress are weaklings. She's correct. I mean, look at look

917
00:51:28.719 --> 00:51:32.079
at how many times they get elected with all these

918
00:51:32.119 --> 00:51:34.760
great promises and everything else. In the moment that they're

919
00:51:34.800 --> 00:51:38.119
in office, they just talk about it, and then behind

920
00:51:38.159 --> 00:51:42.480
our backs, they they just slither into bed with the opposition.

921
00:51:43.119 --> 00:51:45.239
Well, it's kind of like what you said. It's the

922
00:51:47.039 --> 00:51:53.559
it's the power of power, you know, the addictive response

923
00:51:54.159 --> 00:51:57.920
to power and control. When you go there. Initially you

924
00:51:57.960 --> 00:52:02.679
go in with some ideology, but the you know, the

925
00:52:02.760 --> 00:52:06.199
system there and the belt Way in government is so set,

926
00:52:06.280 --> 00:52:09.079
the infrastructure is so set that even on the first

927
00:52:09.159 --> 00:52:12.159
day when you go there for your orientation, they Italian nils,

928
00:52:12.719 --> 00:52:14.559
you know, say hey, why are you here while I'm here,

929
00:52:14.599 --> 00:52:16.880
you know, support my people and do all this good

930
00:52:16.960 --> 00:52:20.599
stuff and speak all this you know, ideology and everything

931
00:52:20.639 --> 00:52:23.199
is wrong. You know, you're here to get re elected,

932
00:52:23.559 --> 00:52:25.280
and as soon as we're done with this meeting, you're

933
00:52:25.320 --> 00:52:27.480
going to be working a bank of phones and you're

934
00:52:27.480 --> 00:52:29.840
going to start hustling money. That's what it's all about.

935
00:52:30.519 --> 00:52:34.119
Oh yeah, yeah, I've seen all that. You're you're precisely correct.

936
00:52:34.159 --> 00:52:38.639
But so we started out on mass shootings, Bill, and

937
00:52:39.800 --> 00:52:44.800
there's nothing that that can be done with with the

938
00:52:44.800 --> 00:52:49.719
individual other than consequences. But I think what's feeding this,

939
00:52:50.119 --> 00:52:55.199
what makes people less secure and less trusting are artificial intelligence.

940
00:52:56.079 --> 00:52:59.840
Like people more and more have these bots in their phones. Okay,

941
00:53:00.559 --> 00:53:03.400
that reinforce all their worst instincts. It used to be

942
00:53:03.440 --> 00:53:07.599
that a psychopath was created through random reward in a

943
00:53:07.639 --> 00:53:12.320
bad home or institutional environment. If Bill Martinez has a

944
00:53:12.360 --> 00:53:15.679
father who rewards him because he beats up other kids

945
00:53:15.679 --> 00:53:19.199
in school and on the playground, Bill will eventually become

946
00:53:19.239 --> 00:53:24.079
a psychopath, right and Nils will become a psychopath right now?

947
00:53:24.199 --> 00:53:27.920
They get that affirmation from a bot in their phone.

948
00:53:28.239 --> 00:53:31.800
AI social media is one thing, and then high concentrate

949
00:53:31.920 --> 00:53:36.159
THHC cannabis is another thing. And then how about searchable

950
00:53:36.199 --> 00:53:42.000
internet porn? Searchable internet porn changed the brain chemistry of

951
00:53:42.519 --> 00:53:49.440
vulnerable men and women, whereby it's software rather than erotic entertainment,

952
00:53:51.119 --> 00:53:53.800
and it's a substitute for a real life.

953
00:53:54.199 --> 00:53:57.519
Yeah, it's all that, you know, video games, the violence

954
00:53:57.559 --> 00:54:00.079
of the video games, it's all contributory. I agree one

955
00:54:00.159 --> 00:54:02.320
hundred percent. You know. And the deal is, you know

956
00:54:02.360 --> 00:54:04.800
you mentioned consequences and seeing how this I mean this

957
00:54:04.920 --> 00:54:07.199
is I said this the other day and just kind

958
00:54:07.199 --> 00:54:08.880
of came out of my mind. Well, I don't know

959
00:54:08.880 --> 00:54:10.880
where that came from, but I think it's brilliant. Is

960
00:54:10.920 --> 00:54:14.559
that the deal? The problem you know, you have with consequences,

961
00:54:14.639 --> 00:54:19.360
if the person themselves who are the perpetrator of set event,

962
00:54:19.679 --> 00:54:23.480
if they don't pay the consequences, then the consequences get

963
00:54:23.599 --> 00:54:27.360
shared outside of that individual, right, And that's kind of

964
00:54:27.360 --> 00:54:29.800
what you've been saying, And I agree with you. Is

965
00:54:29.800 --> 00:54:32.719
that I get You've got to get to the point

966
00:54:32.760 --> 00:54:35.760
where society finally says, you know what, I'm tired of

967
00:54:35.800 --> 00:54:38.719
paying the price. I'm paying the price for this knucklehead

968
00:54:38.719 --> 00:54:42.400
here because I'm overly you know, coddling him, and I

969
00:54:42.519 --> 00:54:46.159
become codependent. I mean, when you break it down our society,

970
00:54:46.159 --> 00:54:49.760
how code dependent are we.

971
00:54:48.519 --> 00:54:52.119
Well, we're instant. We have institutionalized codependency. And one of

972
00:54:52.159 --> 00:54:56.559
the aspects of institutionalized codependency is we try to eliminate

973
00:54:56.639 --> 00:55:01.559
all competition. We look at institutional lives. Codependency looks at

974
00:55:01.599 --> 00:55:06.079
competition is harmful to the individual, Well, the opposite is true.

975
00:55:07.039 --> 00:55:10.079
We are made through competition. We are we are born

976
00:55:10.119 --> 00:55:14.360
to compete with each other exactly, and you know, yes,

977
00:55:14.840 --> 00:55:19.760
on our tender little feelings, competition could be rough. I

978
00:55:19.800 --> 00:55:22.800
hate losing a baseball game, a football match, that sort

979
00:55:22.840 --> 00:55:25.320
of thing. I don't want to lose a fistfight on

980
00:55:25.360 --> 00:55:29.360
the playground. But that's how I'm going to change. I

981
00:55:29.400 --> 00:55:32.760
have to suffer consequences and I have to I have

982
00:55:32.880 --> 00:55:35.599
to be accountable to my peers to a certain extent.

983
00:55:36.400 --> 00:55:40.119
And that's that's the thing that I think is most

984
00:55:40.199 --> 00:55:44.000
absent in our schools now. Often what is termed bullying

985
00:55:44.760 --> 00:55:48.039
is the pecking order that has established between boys and

986
00:55:48.119 --> 00:55:51.239
girls in school as to who's going to lead and

987
00:55:51.280 --> 00:55:57.440
who's going to follow. Okay, and males don't mature. I'll

988
00:55:57.480 --> 00:55:58.800
define maturity here.

989
00:56:00.119 --> 00:56:01.280
Male good.

990
00:56:02.039 --> 00:56:05.119
It's where a male can separate what he thinks from

991
00:56:05.159 --> 00:56:07.760
how he feels and use one to color the other.

992
00:56:08.239 --> 00:56:13.280
I cannot be exclusively emotional and I cannot be exclusively intellectual.

993
00:56:13.400 --> 00:56:16.239
I have to use them both, exactly. But if I

994
00:56:16.320 --> 00:56:21.719
can't separate them, the same thing, correct, So that that's maturity.

995
00:56:21.760 --> 00:56:25.719
The way that males overcome their lack of maturity is

996
00:56:25.760 --> 00:56:30.920
through competition for the approval of peer group females and

997
00:56:31.079 --> 00:56:34.360
anything that short circuits that is going to damage me

998
00:56:34.440 --> 00:56:40.079
in pornography, short circuits that I get the I get. Yeah.

999
00:56:40.199 --> 00:56:43.840
Or let's say I'm fifteen years old and I have

1000
00:56:43.920 --> 00:56:48.000
the magic incantation that can get any female, whether she's

1001
00:56:48.039 --> 00:56:50.800
fifteen or fifty, to strip down and do the deal

1002
00:56:50.840 --> 00:56:55.480
with me. Right, I have short circuited overcoming the natural

1003
00:56:55.519 --> 00:56:59.519
objections to peer group females. Okay, and I'll never grow

1004
00:56:59.599 --> 00:57:00.840
up if that way.

1005
00:57:01.000 --> 00:57:04.760
Yeah, exactly. Well, here it is the joy of victory

1006
00:57:04.840 --> 00:57:06.480
or the agony of defeat, right.

1007
00:57:07.679 --> 00:57:10.119
And sometimes defeat makes us.

1008
00:57:09.960 --> 00:57:11.400
Bill, Oh, no doubt.

1009
00:57:11.840 --> 00:57:12.039
No.

1010
00:57:12.119 --> 00:57:15.599
I look at Donald Trump. Look at Donald Trump. You

1011
00:57:15.599 --> 00:57:21.000
know he goes into into intermission between twenty twenty and

1012
00:57:21.159 --> 00:57:24.440
twenty twenty five. Yeah, and it comes out, it comes

1013
00:57:24.480 --> 00:57:28.519
out of the corner swinging like ten times. The president.

1014
00:57:28.599 --> 00:57:29.679
He was the first time.

1015
00:57:30.000 --> 00:57:32.079
Yeah, without a doubt. Well, we got to leave it there.

1016
00:57:32.159 --> 00:57:36.000
Neils has always appreciate the time and the conversation. Nils Gervillias,

1017
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1039
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Well, good morning, and welcome. Six minutes after the top

1040
00:58:56.440 --> 00:58:59.039
of our Bill Martinez here with my good friend Pastor

1041
00:58:59.199 --> 00:59:01.159
Lucas Smiles. We're going to talk about his new book,

1042
00:59:01.280 --> 00:59:07.199
Pagan Threat, Confronting America's Godless Uprising. But before we do,

1043
00:59:07.400 --> 00:59:09.559
first of all, welcome Luca's good to have you back.

1044
00:59:09.559 --> 00:59:10.679
But this has been a minute.

1045
00:59:10.840 --> 00:59:12.840
Thank you Bill, always good to see you. You're one

1046
00:59:12.880 --> 00:59:15.639
of the best out there. And interview on the show.

1047
00:59:15.760 --> 00:59:19.280
Well, you're very kind. I must say this at the opening,

1048
00:59:19.960 --> 00:59:23.400
and people know, most people are aware that you were

1049
00:59:23.400 --> 00:59:29.159
associated with Johnnie Kirk and with Turning Point Faith, and

1050
00:59:29.559 --> 00:59:32.599
you know, and our hearts remain heavy as God takes

1051
00:59:32.679 --> 00:59:37.760
us through this period of grief and mourning and renew

1052
00:59:37.840 --> 00:59:40.519
them because that's one thing God, God just won't allow

1053
00:59:40.559 --> 00:59:41.679
the static to stay there.

1054
00:59:41.760 --> 00:59:41.960
Right.

1055
00:59:43.119 --> 00:59:46.840
Yeah, it's been it's been amazing the ground surge of

1056
00:59:46.920 --> 00:59:49.119
support that we have felt. I've been the Senior director

1057
00:59:49.159 --> 00:59:52.400
of TPUSA Faith. I oversee all the faith operations within

1058
00:59:52.440 --> 00:59:56.480
the Turning Point ecosystem, and it is it's been incredible

1059
00:59:56.519 --> 00:59:58.199
to see what God has done on the other side

1060
00:59:58.239 --> 01:00:01.360
that's filtered through the lens of grief. And of course

1061
01:00:01.400 --> 01:00:03.480
all of us, you know, within Turning Point and everybody

1062
01:00:03.519 --> 01:00:07.639
that loved Charlie dearly have been so impacted. I've said

1063
01:00:07.679 --> 01:00:11.119
before about Charlie that you know, Charlie dying was almost

1064
01:00:11.159 --> 01:00:13.679
like a million people dying because of the impact that

1065
01:00:13.760 --> 01:00:16.920
he had and you know the way it affected so

1066
01:00:17.000 --> 01:00:19.280
many individual families, even if they didn't know him, he

1067
01:00:19.360 --> 01:00:21.679
was part of their family. Everybody owned a little bit

1068
01:00:21.719 --> 01:00:26.159
of Charlie Kirk and just he was so he was

1069
01:00:26.199 --> 01:00:27.960
so charismatic, drew people in.

1070
01:00:28.800 --> 01:00:30.320
You know how many of us watched.

1071
01:00:30.119 --> 01:00:32.079
Him and said, that's what I wanted to say in

1072
01:00:32.119 --> 01:00:34.360
that conversation, which I could have communicated that to my

1073
01:00:34.960 --> 01:00:36.880
friend or my sister, or my brother or my dad

1074
01:00:36.960 --> 01:00:39.320
or whatever it was, or my neighbor. And you know,

1075
01:00:39.480 --> 01:00:41.639
Charlie just became part of all of our lives. And

1076
01:00:41.719 --> 01:00:45.000
I don't think that you know, people fully realized the

1077
01:00:45.519 --> 01:00:49.639
the rich treasure that we had in him until fully

1078
01:00:49.800 --> 01:00:52.239
until he was gone, and I think we're still recognizing

1079
01:00:52.280 --> 01:00:54.639
the void that that is created in this world. But

1080
01:00:54.719 --> 01:00:58.039
God's faithful and he is raising up so many that

1081
01:00:58.079 --> 01:01:00.960
are standing strong. On my email box can prove it.

1082
01:01:01.199 --> 01:01:04.039
I've got just so many inquiries from people were filtering

1083
01:01:04.079 --> 01:01:06.239
through those as fast as we can. It's been absolutely

1084
01:01:06.239 --> 01:01:08.360
amazing to see just this revival on the other side

1085
01:01:08.360 --> 01:01:09.360
of this deep loss.

1086
01:01:09.800 --> 01:01:14.559
Well, Lucas, like any organization, it's about the people, and

1087
01:01:14.679 --> 01:01:21.119
Charlie Kirk attracted great people such as yourself. I mean, talented,

1088
01:01:21.280 --> 01:01:27.039
gifted speakers, insightful individuals of all ages. I mean when

1089
01:01:27.679 --> 01:01:34.639
you hear or see someone from the organization interviewed, it's impressive.

1090
01:01:36.320 --> 01:01:40.280
Charlie gathered people that I think had similar DNA and

1091
01:01:40.360 --> 01:01:43.400
makeup to him. Were not all the same gifts, I mean, certainly,

1092
01:01:43.400 --> 01:01:45.599
and Charlie was unique. I mean, he was a once

1093
01:01:45.639 --> 01:01:47.760
in a generation mind, as many people have said. I

1094
01:01:47.800 --> 01:01:50.840
agree with that, but there was there was these other

1095
01:01:51.000 --> 01:01:53.679
attributes I think that Charlie looked for. He looked for

1096
01:01:53.760 --> 01:01:57.639
somebody who understood what I call grace plus hustle. They

1097
01:01:57.679 --> 01:02:00.639
were grateful, they were they knew that all of this

1098
01:02:00.760 --> 01:02:02.760
came from the lord. But they were willing to put

1099
01:02:02.800 --> 01:02:04.320
in the time and they were willing to work harder

1100
01:02:04.360 --> 01:02:05.159
than anybody else.

1101
01:02:05.360 --> 01:02:05.559
You know.

1102
01:02:05.599 --> 01:02:07.880
All it would take Charlie to say to the staff

1103
01:02:07.920 --> 01:02:10.360
would be like, hey, guys, let's get this, let's do this,

1104
01:02:10.559 --> 01:02:11.320
let's dream bigger.

1105
01:02:11.400 --> 01:02:11.519
You know.

1106
01:02:11.639 --> 01:02:13.920
We just have these short phrases at times that he

1107
01:02:13.920 --> 01:02:16.639
would send you or communicate to a team, and it

1108
01:02:16.679 --> 01:02:18.719
was enough to get everybody go, yes, we can do it,

1109
01:02:18.760 --> 01:02:21.159
and you just instantly believed it because Charlie said it.

1110
01:02:21.199 --> 01:02:26.360
He was so so motivating. He just maximized everybody around him,

1111
01:02:26.360 --> 01:02:29.280
brought the absolute best out of them. I was I'd

1112
01:02:29.360 --> 01:02:30.920
like to think I was a decent leader when I

1113
01:02:30.960 --> 01:02:33.440
came to TPOSA faith. Charlie made me a better leader

1114
01:02:33.880 --> 01:02:35.960
in the last eighteen months that I was around him,

1115
01:02:36.000 --> 01:02:39.480
you know, intimately, and I will be forever grateful for that.

1116
01:02:39.599 --> 01:02:41.159
Was the honor of my life to serve under him.

1117
01:02:41.440 --> 01:02:43.599
I'm bet and you know, you look back in the

1118
01:02:43.639 --> 01:02:46.760
rearview mirror and you see what he did when he

1119
01:02:46.960 --> 01:02:50.199
started at eighteen years of age. I mean, you talk

1120
01:02:50.239 --> 01:02:53.519
about a legacy and a track record. I imagine initially

1121
01:02:53.639 --> 01:02:55.719
when he was saying, hey, we need a dream bigger,

1122
01:02:55.719 --> 01:02:57.519
we can do this, and probably some of the people

1123
01:02:57.519 --> 01:03:00.280
who go, yeah, okay, that's just Charlie again, But then

1124
01:03:00.320 --> 01:03:02.360
you get down the road and you're going, hey, yes,

1125
01:03:02.559 --> 01:03:06.480
let's don't even think twice, because you've already proven yourself

1126
01:03:06.760 --> 01:03:09.559
time and time and time again. And that seems to

1127
01:03:09.599 --> 01:03:14.360
be the consistent message and the evidence of Turning Point USA. Right.

1128
01:03:15.119 --> 01:03:16.800
Yeah, he just had a way of doing what he

1129
01:03:16.800 --> 01:03:17.840
said he was going to do. There.

1130
01:03:18.199 --> 01:03:21.320
I think, you know, a man of absolute integrity. What

1131
01:03:21.440 --> 01:03:24.559
he preached, what he proclaimed, what he said, he made

1132
01:03:24.559 --> 01:03:27.320
it happen, you know. And I think that's one reason

1133
01:03:27.360 --> 01:03:29.599
why I think our donors have been so supportive of

1134
01:03:29.679 --> 01:03:32.400
us over the years, is because when Charlie said we're

1135
01:03:32.440 --> 01:03:33.800
going to do this, they knew he was going to

1136
01:03:33.880 --> 01:03:36.400
do it. We saw that with the twenty twenty four election.

1137
01:03:37.119 --> 01:03:38.159
And you know, the.

1138
01:03:38.119 --> 01:03:40.320
Amazing thing and I think where I'm very you know,

1139
01:03:40.440 --> 01:03:43.800
confident still in the future of TPSA and TPSA faith

1140
01:03:43.960 --> 01:03:47.880
is that Charlie developed a very deep bench the organization

1141
01:03:48.000 --> 01:03:50.280
and you know, not everybody's name is known, but you know,

1142
01:03:50.400 --> 01:03:53.920
Turning Point and Turning Point you know USA, Turnpoint Action

1143
01:03:54.039 --> 01:03:56.800
Tpuosa faith, all the different you know arms that Charlie

1144
01:03:56.840 --> 01:04:00.880
put together. Here, there's just great people through these companies

1145
01:04:00.920 --> 01:04:03.599
that are fully committed. The resolve is higher than ever.

1146
01:04:04.320 --> 01:04:06.960
And it's the same machine that was supporting Charlie this

1147
01:04:07.039 --> 01:04:10.320
whole time. And so that machine isn't gone. You can

1148
01:04:10.440 --> 01:04:13.599
try to, you know, strike down the general here, but

1149
01:04:13.639 --> 01:04:16.320
I'll tell you what this this this army is going

1150
01:04:16.360 --> 01:04:17.880
to rise up. We're going to keep doing the work

1151
01:04:17.880 --> 01:04:20.880
of God. We understand ideologically there's a major battle to

1152
01:04:20.920 --> 01:04:24.199
fight and committed to seeing it through well.

1153
01:04:24.239 --> 01:04:26.519
And that was the spiritual battle that you and I

1154
01:04:26.559 --> 01:04:28.320
have discussed and we're going to talk about it. And

1155
01:04:28.760 --> 01:04:31.159
it's you know, evident in your new book as well.

1156
01:04:32.400 --> 01:04:35.199
You know, the people are are rising up, and you know,

1157
01:04:35.320 --> 01:04:38.400
I think so many people out there because they didn't

1158
01:04:38.440 --> 01:04:41.599
have the wherewithal. You know, the Bible says, if you

1159
01:04:41.639 --> 01:04:44.119
don't have the foundation for spiritual things, you're not going

1160
01:04:44.199 --> 01:04:47.760
to understand spiritual things. A lot about Charlie was spiritual

1161
01:04:47.840 --> 01:04:51.360
because he knew, yes, we could talk about practical things

1162
01:04:51.400 --> 01:04:56.360
and discussed in the marketplace about you know, about the

1163
01:04:56.360 --> 01:04:59.559
dissatisfaction you may have on the college campuses. But he

1164
01:04:59.679 --> 01:05:04.000
knew but at the very root, your restlessness was not

1165
01:05:04.079 --> 01:05:08.360
going to be rested until it rested in the heart

1166
01:05:08.400 --> 01:05:09.000
of Jesus.

1167
01:05:09.079 --> 01:05:09.280
Right.

1168
01:05:09.840 --> 01:05:12.239
Yeah, Hey, everything that Charlie did, I think his faith

1169
01:05:12.320 --> 01:05:15.039
was a foundation layer to it. It was it undergirded

1170
01:05:15.119 --> 01:05:17.960
all of his political views, all of his social views.

1171
01:05:18.599 --> 01:05:21.079
He could debate them in the public square. And sometimes

1172
01:05:21.119 --> 01:05:22.760
he would say on college campuses, hey, if you don't

1173
01:05:22.760 --> 01:05:24.519
want to talk about Christianity, we can just talk about

1174
01:05:24.519 --> 01:05:26.519
this from logic or reason, and he would do it.

1175
01:05:26.920 --> 01:05:29.480
Just an excellent job navigating that.

1176
01:05:29.519 --> 01:05:33.639
But he understood that. I think that his biblical faith

1177
01:05:33.719 --> 01:05:37.280
is faith in Jesus Christ. Was that underlayment for all

1178
01:05:37.320 --> 01:05:39.840
these other views that he held. And it was because

1179
01:05:39.880 --> 01:05:42.840
of his faith in Jesus Christ that he understood, you know,

1180
01:05:43.360 --> 01:05:48.559
national sovereignty, personal responsibility, sanctity of life, that he understood

1181
01:05:48.599 --> 01:05:51.920
the value of being a self learner. You know, all

1182
01:05:52.000 --> 01:05:55.199
these things were you know, really girded in you know,

1183
01:05:55.280 --> 01:05:57.960
biblical teaching kind of a proverb's you know, coming to

1184
01:05:58.039 --> 01:06:01.719
life sort of a reaction. And you know, Charlie was

1185
01:06:01.760 --> 01:06:04.360
so unique, and I'm just grateful for him. His legacy

1186
01:06:04.400 --> 01:06:05.800
is going to live on for a very long time,

1187
01:06:05.840 --> 01:06:09.239
probably one of the most videotaped human beings us to

1188
01:06:09.280 --> 01:06:12.119
live on the planet, and we've got content for decades

1189
01:06:12.119 --> 01:06:14.960
to come. I'm convinced that the world's going to see.

1190
01:06:15.239 --> 01:06:17.559
I'm waiting for the Naval Academy to say, how did

1191
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we let him get away? Right? I mean, but thank God,

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you know, in a sense, because well, God's in control.

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Uh So the Naval Academy. Though it was an aspiration

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for him and a dream that he had, God had

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a better plan for him, you know that.

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I'll let somebody else on our team actually verify that.

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But I believe that earlier this year he had an

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opportunity to go to speak to I think the board

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at the Naval Academy. I could have that wrong, but

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I'm pretty certain that's the case. And so God ended

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up bringing that full circle where he was able to

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go there and present some things to them, speak out

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about stamping out wokeism and really the importance of high

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military standards and these things, and so you.

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Know, it's it's it's awesome to see that, you know.

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where he was able to be at the top of

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that and influence people, and God used him in so

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many just prolific ways, you know, throughout his life well,

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and you have.

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the impact that had on Pete Hegseth. I'd say, even

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now not the defense but the War Department, and you know,

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And we're back with you nineteen minutes after the top

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of there. Bill Martinez here with Lucas Michael Miles. He's

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the author. He's also with Turning Point Faith and a

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pastor of influence influenced church. Right, yeah, and everything continues

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to go well. So I want to talk about the

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pagan threat. Why why this book and why now?

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Yeah.

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So I've written a couple of books on exposing Wochism,

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specifically within the church, the Christian left and then Woke Jesus.

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And you know, as I was processing through these these books,

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and I'm very thankful that the past books have done

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quite well, I recognize that Christianity was a good short

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term vehicle for Wokeism, but not a good long term host.

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And what I mean by that is Marxism is really

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a parasite. It is, it can't stand on its own.

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It requires something else to support it and hold it up,

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whether that's the state or religion or whatever. And Christianity

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for a time provided that in the form of progressive Christianity,

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where you know, Marxism found an infiltration into the four

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walls of the Church to convince you know, the world.

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I think it was through the trojan horse of social

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justice that it came men and and it it It

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for a time was very convincing. But eventually, if you

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call yourself a progressive Christian, you're either going to push

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more into the critical theory Marxist framework and recognize that,

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you know, eventually deconstruct from your faith that that Marxism

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is antithetical to the Gospel. Or if you push into

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your the Christian side of that progressive Christianity enough and

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ed to actually start reading the Bible, you'll recognize that

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all the principles of marx are are you know, really

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anti God, I mean they're there, they don't they can't

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coexist with a biblical worldview, and so you'll eventually leave

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that progressive form you know, formation away. But Paganism isn't

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like that. Because of the a less rigid moral structure,

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really completely fluid moral structure. It allows for the various

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views of Marxism UH to take root without any sort

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of internal conflicts. And so the goal what we're seeing,

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the reason why there's a resurgence of paganism today is

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because it's really bought and paid for by the left.

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That is, trying to supplant Christianity as being the predominant

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Christian worldview and to introduce this pagan you know, ideology

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and platform so that it can win over the younger

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generation and get these Marxist ideas to be more easily accepted.

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Now that the spiritual climate has changed and there's no

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longer the obstacle of the cross, you know, standing against it.

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Right, nothing new under the sun. And you said something

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that's really important, and I hope our audience caught that,

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and that is that if you're not in the Word,

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you're really not studying the legitimate. It's I've used this

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example many times. It's like a bank teller when they

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teach them how to deal with counterfeit money. What they

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have them study is the legitimate. They study the legitimate

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so closely that they can see the counterfeit like that.

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And I would dare say in today's Christianity, because we

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have not been as investment in the Word as we

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should be. I say, on a daily and a continual basis,

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because you got to imagine, if Jesus says, you know,

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I don't live on bread alone, but by every word

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that comes out of the mouth of God, that's pretty significant.

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I would think, yeah, you're absolutely right.

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I mean, look, as Christians, we have to come back

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to establishing our faith. In fact, at the end of

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the book, I give a seven step road map on

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how do we start turning the tide. I mean, how

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many young people have been influenced by this, how many

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parents and grandparents have come to, you know, us and said, hey,

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what can I do to reach my child and my grandchild?

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You know, how many people are concerned about nieces and

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nephews and these things they've seen impacted by gender ideology,

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by leftism, by Marxism, by Antifa. You know, we've seen

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several very prominent examples. In the last few weeks. We

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had two sniper attacks young men that were, you know,

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indoctrinated on the internet, you know, to do such terrible things.

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And I think that everybody's recognizing there's a crisis that's

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happening here. And this younger generation is harder to reach

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in many ways because they're less accessible than previous generations were.

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They are more prone to be isolated. They grew up

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kind of in isolation through COVID, they were sort of

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trained in that, so they have less of a desire

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or even the skill set to go meet friends and

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make friends and find people. There's a lot of trauma

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in their life, starting with everything from September eleven to

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the rise in school shootings to you know, you know,

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wars and rumors of wars, you know, totalitarian you know,

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policies during COVID, now things like the assassination of Charlie Kirk.

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This is a generation in trauma and we have to

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reach them. But we have to reach them with something

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in particular, we have to reach them with the Gospel,

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and so we have to start with that that primary,

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you know, belief in Christ. We need a research ince

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and evangelism. We need to use tools of technology in

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order to get the gospel out there. But I provide

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and that is the young people. And what I see, Lucas,

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is that they're looking for consistency, you know, right now

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in a culture where brands have been compromised, whether we're

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talking bud Light, Disneyland, you know recently with Cracker Barrel,

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you know, if all of a sudden McDonald says, hey,

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we're not doing Hamburgers anymore, there'd be insanity, you know,

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because it's a violation of their brand and their image

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of who they are. Christianity has a brand and image.

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What's happened is some of these, as you say, you know,

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progressive pastors and cultural progressives, who thought, oh, well, you know,

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this is what's going on, and we need to make

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a shift. But they didn't even realize as they were

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drifting and you and I talked about this years ago,

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01:18:39.279 --> 01:18:42.680
as they drift away from the solidarity and the consistency

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01:18:42.680 --> 01:18:46.840
of the gospel, they started to compromise their brand. And

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the cautionary tale here is, look at hit the pause button, reevaluate,

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01:18:52.319 --> 01:18:57.680
reconnect with that brand, that identification, which is christ Church.

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It's not your church, it's Jesus, right, And this is

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what these kids are coming back to. And they're looking

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to say, Okay, are you true? Are you legit? Are

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you a counterfeit? And they can smell a counterfeit from

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miles away, can't they?

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01:19:11.520 --> 01:19:13.159
Yeah, absolutely, you're absolutely right. I think that.

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You know, one of the things that made Charlie so

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successful was his willingness to engage in real conversation. He

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would sit down. You know, people would call him a fascist,

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But yet how many fascists do you know that give

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their opponent a microphone hours, you know, to be able

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to talk about these things. If he was a fascist,

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he wasn't a very good one.

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Uh.

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And and so it's uh, you know, it's very unique

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01:19:32.960 --> 01:19:35.880
to this generation. They love the dialogue. They love, you know,

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getting on TikTok live and having debates. You know, when

1446
01:19:38.680 --> 01:19:40.359
I was a kid, I was I went to uh,

1447
01:19:40.680 --> 01:19:42.960
I was in a speech and debate club, and I

1448
01:19:43.000 --> 01:19:44.760
never wanted to tell anybody. You know, it was kind

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01:19:44.760 --> 01:19:47.319
of dorky and nerdy. You know, my friends found out,

1450
01:19:47.359 --> 01:19:50.079
you know, it might be a problem. But now, I

1451
01:19:50.079 --> 01:19:52.359
mean it's it's it's like the you know, it's like

1452
01:19:52.439 --> 01:19:55.760
the Greek the Amphitheater again here. You know, people there

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01:19:55.840 --> 01:19:58.800
say there is great pride in going out and saying,

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01:19:58.840 --> 01:20:01.960
let's have these conversation, let's give the opposing side a chance,

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01:20:02.119 --> 01:20:04.279
and let's have a rebuttal, and let's be able to engage.

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01:20:04.359 --> 01:20:06.560
And I think this younger generation loves that we have

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01:20:06.680 --> 01:20:09.439
started doing in our churches and also with TPUSA Faith

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01:20:09.680 --> 01:20:12.199
just sit down conversations where we dialogue with the thought

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01:20:12.279 --> 01:20:14.439
leader and just get stuff out on the table, and

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then to be able to take questions from the audience

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01:20:17.000 --> 01:20:19.760
when we're done. Most churches would never dream of giving

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01:20:19.800 --> 01:20:21.960
a chance for their audience to ask questions, but then

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01:20:21.960 --> 01:20:24.640
we will shure why they're not discipled. And so Jesus

1464
01:20:24.680 --> 01:20:26.920
asked questions and he gave time for people to ask

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01:20:27.000 --> 01:20:29.319
him questions. And I think that's a secret to reaching

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01:20:29.359 --> 01:20:30.439
this generation right now.

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01:20:30.880 --> 01:20:33.079
And I think this will help us return to civility

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01:20:33.359 --> 01:20:35.800
where we can have a conversation, sit down and as

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01:20:35.840 --> 01:20:40.000
the Bible says, reason together. Yeah, okay, And that's what

1470
01:20:40.079 --> 01:20:42.800
I think our culture is aching for, is that kind

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01:20:42.840 --> 01:20:44.520
of connection. Lucas, what do you think?

1472
01:20:44.960 --> 01:20:46.600
I think you're absolutely right, and I think that, you know,

1473
01:20:46.760 --> 01:20:48.640
there's a lot of ego and pride that gets attached

1474
01:20:48.680 --> 01:20:51.039
to these things. But I think that for those of

1475
01:20:51.119 --> 01:20:54.800
us that are you know, committed to taking the gospel forward,

1476
01:20:55.159 --> 01:20:56.880
we have to really check that ego at the door.

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01:20:57.000 --> 01:20:59.199
And we're here to be a spokesperson for God. We're

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01:20:59.199 --> 01:21:00.960
here to preach the full also the word of God.

1479
01:21:01.159 --> 01:21:04.279
So many pastors have just you know, fallen you know

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01:21:04.359 --> 01:21:06.880
from this h Charlie and I talked about this a lot.

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01:21:06.920 --> 01:21:08.800
One of the things I introduced to him was the

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01:21:08.880 --> 01:21:11.319
idea that there's three types of pastors. That there's true

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01:21:11.359 --> 01:21:14.720
pastors and there's traitorous pastors, and there's this middle category

1484
01:21:14.760 --> 01:21:17.239
of trembling pastors. And I think that that's what we've

1485
01:21:17.239 --> 01:21:19.319
seen so much of, is we have these pastors that

1486
01:21:19.359 --> 01:21:21.439
they're like giddy and hiding in the wine press, hoping

1487
01:21:21.479 --> 01:21:23.319
the battle is going to go on, you know, without him,

1488
01:21:23.880 --> 01:21:25.800
you know, as they just you know, kind of stay

1489
01:21:25.880 --> 01:21:28.600
under cover. But I think that Charlie Kirk was somebody

1490
01:21:28.600 --> 01:21:31.560
who came to us and said, arise you mighty valiant warriors,

1491
01:21:31.560 --> 01:21:33.439
and he and he called the church back to action.

1492
01:21:34.199 --> 01:21:36.159
Now in his passing, I think that it's our job

1493
01:21:36.199 --> 01:21:38.239
to remind one another of that. I think it's you know,

1494
01:21:38.439 --> 01:21:41.239
I feel, you know, burden to be somebody who continues

1495
01:21:41.279 --> 01:21:42.960
to remind the church it's time to get in the fight,

1496
01:21:43.199 --> 01:21:45.079
it's time to stand up, it's trying. It's time to

1497
01:21:45.079 --> 01:21:47.359
be strong in your faith, it's time to be bolder

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01:21:47.359 --> 01:21:50.359
than ever. And and you know, because there's a world

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in a country to save.

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Here exactly The truth matters, doesn't it.

1501
01:21:54.880 --> 01:21:58.520
Yes, one hundred percent. Without Without you know, truth, what

1502
01:21:58.560 --> 01:22:01.760
do we have? You know, it's fabrication, it's our own.

1503
01:22:02.399 --> 01:22:05.239
My truth doesn't mean anything. My truth isn't worth anything.

1504
01:22:05.239 --> 01:22:06.760
I don't have it all figured out. There's only one

1505
01:22:06.800 --> 01:22:08.680
who does, and I just want to keep pointing people

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01:22:08.720 --> 01:22:09.039
to him.

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Amen. About thirty seconds left here. Pagan Threat Book available

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Right, Yeah, you're go ahead, And I.

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Was just going to say to summarize, to summarize it,

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01:22:22.479 --> 01:22:24.159
what would you want people to gain from this?

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01:22:24.760 --> 01:22:24.920
Yeah?

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01:22:24.960 --> 01:22:25.479
Absolutely.

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01:22:25.600 --> 01:22:27.800
This is to equip them to be able to reach

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01:22:27.840 --> 01:22:29.359
this generation and be able to stand up in the

1516
01:22:29.439 --> 01:22:30.159
times that we're in.

1517
01:22:30.439 --> 01:22:31.359
The world is shifted.

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01:22:31.399 --> 01:22:33.800
We saw that twenty you know, twenty eight days ago

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01:22:33.920 --> 01:22:36.720
or so when Charlie was killed, and it is time

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01:22:36.760 --> 01:22:39.239
that ever people understand what's happening and what they can

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do about it.

1522
01:22:40.399 --> 01:22:42.920
Well, Lucas Miles, my good friend, thank you so much

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01:22:42.960 --> 01:22:45.359
for being with us. I so appreciate you. God bless you.

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01:22:45.760 --> 01:22:49.000
Lucas is a pastor and author and of course with

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a turning point faith. You know, we just look forward

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Welcome back to America, Bill Martinez here, Good to have

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you with us. We're going to be talking the state

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of data and AI. How much do organizations trust AI technology?

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In question, you'd be surprised, I think surprising findings from

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a new global survey. And here to tell us more

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about it is Kimberly Nevalla. She's she's with SAS. She's

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an AI Strategic Advisor with SaaS. Kimberly, Welcome to Schelle.

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01:27:06.159 --> 01:27:07.039
Good to have you with us.

1603
01:27:07.319 --> 01:27:08.720
Thanks Bill, I appreciate the invite.

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01:27:09.039 --> 01:27:11.720
Well, it's great to have you here talk about AI technology.

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01:27:11.720 --> 01:27:15.199
I mean, you know, I think what happened. It's so

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01:27:15.359 --> 01:27:17.760
pervasive and it's so out there. People are using it

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01:27:17.800 --> 01:27:19.640
without even knowing that they are, right.

1608
01:27:20.239 --> 01:27:22.960
Yeah, and I think that's been true probably for decades,

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01:27:23.039 --> 01:27:26.920
although with the advent of chat GPT back in when

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was it now, twenty twenty three? I think remember, it's

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probably the first time the public has gotten its hands,

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01:27:33.520 --> 01:27:35.880
like really gotten its fingers directly on it and our

1613
01:27:36.000 --> 01:27:39.600
understanding or seeing it more directly. So that's been really interesting,

1614
01:27:39.680 --> 01:27:42.800
that explosion in the public consciousness, not just working behind

1615
01:27:42.800 --> 01:27:44.199
the scenes, right, And.

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01:27:44.199 --> 01:27:46.640
I think that part of the situation, which I find

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01:27:46.640 --> 01:27:50.960
a little bit comical, is that there's this fear factor,

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01:27:51.760 --> 01:27:55.079
but it's it's like you want to say it's okay,

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01:27:55.119 --> 01:27:57.319
but you don't even realize you've actually been using it

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01:27:57.399 --> 01:28:01.520
for the last ten years and it's it's okay. But

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01:28:02.000 --> 01:28:05.720
I think as people get their minds and understanding around it,

1622
01:28:07.119 --> 01:28:10.079
you know, as we're seeing right now is the rapid

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01:28:10.119 --> 01:28:14.119
adoption of AI just as they're becoming more and more

1624
01:28:14.159 --> 01:28:16.439
aware of it and becoming more comfortable with it.

1625
01:28:16.479 --> 01:28:20.439
All right, Yeah, that's absolutely true. In fact, you mentioned

1626
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the study we just did, and even there we have

1627
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validation of this where sixty five percent of the companies

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responding to that study already use AI in some form

1629
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or fashion, and thirty two percent so that they plan

1630
01:28:31.439 --> 01:28:33.960
to do so within twelve months. And that's across industry,

1631
01:28:34.039 --> 01:28:37.479
so effectively one hundred percent of companies and now today

1632
01:28:37.520 --> 01:28:39.920
with chat GPT, a broad swath of the public is

1633
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using that as well.

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Right now explained for the audience, so that they understand.

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01:28:44.680 --> 01:28:47.159
I mean, you know, we heard a lot about chat GBT,

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particularly in the presidential campaigns that seem to come up

1637
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a little bit more, and you know, it was more

1638
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of a you know, kind of kind of an eight

1639
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second sound bite as opposed to really what all is

1640
01:28:58.439 --> 01:28:59.640
involved with chat GPT?

1641
01:29:01.239 --> 01:29:05.920
Yeah, and so you know chat GPT is and cloide perplexity.

1642
01:29:06.039 --> 01:29:09.119
So this is a form of one form of AI

1643
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called generative AI or gen AI for short, that uses information.

1644
01:29:13.640 --> 01:29:15.840
So in this case, for instance, a text that it

1645
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has pulled from the Internet, and it pulls that information

1646
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and it mixes together and pulls those words predicts sort

1647
01:29:20.840 --> 01:29:22.399
of the next word in the sentence to answer a

1648
01:29:22.520 --> 01:29:26.600
question that you're asking. And what's particularly interesting in what

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01:29:27.399 --> 01:29:30.800
is both its power and its peril is the fact

1650
01:29:30.880 --> 01:29:33.960
that we're engaging with this in natural language. And so

1651
01:29:34.000 --> 01:29:38.479
we have a tendency then to trust the outputs because

1652
01:29:38.520 --> 01:29:42.920
they are the systems are designed to actually confidently provide

1653
01:29:42.960 --> 01:29:45.760
an answer. Whether or not that answer is correct is

1654
01:29:45.800 --> 01:29:48.319
somewhat immaterial to at least the design of these out

1655
01:29:48.359 --> 01:29:50.960
of the out of the box, and so that natural

1656
01:29:50.960 --> 01:29:55.239
inclination that that ease of use is very seductive, and

1657
01:29:55.479 --> 01:29:58.560
these systems are very useful if we use them properly.

1658
01:29:58.800 --> 01:30:03.680
Right well, And the situations you're having now in academia

1659
01:30:04.000 --> 01:30:06.079
is that some of these kids are leaning in it

1660
01:30:06.239 --> 01:30:10.840
so much that you know, the papers they're presenting are

1661
01:30:11.199 --> 01:30:14.159
somewhat you know, I mean, or at least there's bringing

1662
01:30:14.279 --> 01:30:19.520
some concern about plagiarism because it really isn't self originating, right.

1663
01:30:20.039 --> 01:30:22.520
Yeah, And I think we want to be really careful here.

1664
01:30:22.640 --> 01:30:23.039
Number one.

1665
01:30:23.079 --> 01:30:26.039
It's it's not necessarily that you know the AI is

1666
01:30:26.079 --> 01:30:28.359
doing something or that the students are doing something wrong,

1667
01:30:28.359 --> 01:30:31.520
because it's a tool that's there. It's really about whether

1668
01:30:31.720 --> 01:30:35.600
when we're adopting this uncritically or we're developing an overdependence.

1669
01:30:35.680 --> 01:30:39.079
And when we do that, we can, yes, we definitely

1670
01:30:39.079 --> 01:30:39.359
see this.

1671
01:30:39.399 --> 01:30:39.600
We can.

1672
01:30:39.720 --> 01:30:43.439
We can critical thinking. You could undermine independent problem solving

1673
01:30:43.520 --> 01:30:46.920
or acquisition of skills, so sometimes that's called cognitive offloading

1674
01:30:47.000 --> 01:30:50.399
or skill you know, atrophy. But that doesn't mean the

1675
01:30:50.439 --> 01:30:53.840
tools themselves are mat or the use is incorrect. We

1676
01:30:53.920 --> 01:30:55.880
just have to be very mindful about where and how

1677
01:30:55.880 --> 01:30:59.520
we deploy them. So, you know, in business or whether

1678
01:30:59.520 --> 01:31:01.479
we're in educate, we want to as leaders, we need

1679
01:31:01.479 --> 01:31:03.800
to look two steps ahead and around the corner and

1680
01:31:03.840 --> 01:31:06.600
really make sure that we are putting in place the

1681
01:31:06.640 --> 01:31:10.119
right AI literacy and training and also designing the systems

1682
01:31:10.119 --> 01:31:12.239
in a responsible way so they integrate, whether it's a

1683
01:31:12.239 --> 01:31:14.920
business workflow or an educational workflow, in a way that

1684
01:31:15.479 --> 01:31:18.840
augments and supports and doesn't try to replace or undermine

1685
01:31:19.439 --> 01:31:20.560
the human in the loop.

1686
01:31:21.039 --> 01:31:23.720
And that's key because that's what I guess one of

1687
01:31:23.720 --> 01:31:27.800
my big concerns is that it might, if used incorrectly,

1688
01:31:27.840 --> 01:31:31.560
could end up dumbing down those that are utilizing it.

1689
01:31:31.840 --> 01:31:34.760
And as you say, you've got to have some forward

1690
01:31:34.800 --> 01:31:37.319
thinking in this and make sure that you're you know,

1691
01:31:37.359 --> 01:31:40.760
you're engaged in such a way that you are producing

1692
01:31:40.840 --> 01:31:43.720
something that's better and that you're not using it as

1693
01:31:43.720 --> 01:31:45.399
a crutch, so to speak. Is that fair to.

1694
01:31:45.359 --> 01:31:48.000
Say, Yeah, I think that's I think that's absolutely right.

1695
01:31:48.039 --> 01:31:49.920
And again, the good news here is that we're having

1696
01:31:49.920 --> 01:31:52.760
these conversations early and that it is in our control,

1697
01:31:53.199 --> 01:31:59.560
so we can apply good data governance, good responsible AI design,

1698
01:31:59.680 --> 01:32:01.319
create good ethical guardrails.

1699
01:32:01.560 --> 01:32:02.279
And I'll just bring this.

1700
01:32:02.319 --> 01:32:03.960
Back to the business for a minute, because one of

1701
01:32:04.000 --> 01:32:07.399
the things the study shows is that organizations who take

1702
01:32:07.399 --> 01:32:11.520
those steps and make those investments are far more likely.

1703
01:32:11.560 --> 01:32:13.600
I think it was one point six times more likely

1704
01:32:13.720 --> 01:32:17.319
to report double or greater return on their AI investments

1705
01:32:17.960 --> 01:32:20.039
without inviting a lot of extra risk.

1706
01:32:20.560 --> 01:32:23.520
Yes, no, hey, that's all positive and that's what keeps

1707
01:32:23.920 --> 01:32:27.159
businesses engaged because we all like to do that which

1708
01:32:27.199 --> 01:32:28.640
we get rewarded for, right.

1709
01:32:28.800 --> 01:32:32.319
Absolutely, absolutely, So let's make sure we're rewarding the right things. Yeah.

1710
01:32:32.359 --> 01:32:35.680
Amen, Let's talk about the main goal of the research.

1711
01:32:35.720 --> 01:32:38.479
Getting back to the research. What was the main objective

1712
01:32:38.560 --> 01:32:39.520
in doing this research?

1713
01:32:39.600 --> 01:32:43.159
Kimberly, So, the main objective was really to understand how

1714
01:32:43.199 --> 01:32:46.479
these different flavors of AI are being perceived, so are

1715
01:32:46.479 --> 01:32:51.359
they trusted, and whether that perception or that trust actually

1716
01:32:51.359 --> 01:32:56.920
correlates with investments businesses have made in trustworthy system development

1717
01:32:57.439 --> 01:33:00.479
and ultimately in business value. So in short, do you

1718
01:33:00.520 --> 01:33:02.640
trust it? Should you trust it? And does it even

1719
01:33:02.640 --> 01:33:03.479
matter business wise?

1720
01:33:04.039 --> 01:33:06.359
Gosh, just like everything about business high it just comes

1721
01:33:06.399 --> 01:33:09.840
down to trust it absolutely does I mean? And that's

1722
01:33:09.880 --> 01:33:14.239
it because we want to know what is predictable, right,

1723
01:33:14.960 --> 01:33:18.920
especially in business, and that's why branding is so important

1724
01:33:18.960 --> 01:33:22.239
and some of the conversations and controversies over branding is

1725
01:33:22.279 --> 01:33:26.039
when you start to affect the predictability of your brand,

1726
01:33:27.039 --> 01:33:30.079
it doesn't work for us, doesn't work so well does it? Oh?

1727
01:33:30.079 --> 01:33:32.199
And I think that predictability point started to jump in

1728
01:33:32.199 --> 01:33:34.399
there is really important because one of the really interesting

1729
01:33:34.479 --> 01:33:39.000
findings was that yes, generative AI use is eclipsing sort

1730
01:33:39.039 --> 01:33:43.800
of more traditional AI applications and machine learning. But it

1731
01:33:43.840 --> 01:33:47.279
was also reported that people trusted generative AI two hundred

1732
01:33:47.279 --> 01:33:51.279
percent more than those traditional AI techniques, even though jen

1733
01:33:51.359 --> 01:33:56.840
ai is objectively and mathematically less trustworthy, more unpredictable out

1734
01:33:56.840 --> 01:33:59.399
of the box without those card rails. So that's a

1735
01:33:59.439 --> 01:34:02.159
fascinating sort of lesson and point for us to heed.

1736
01:34:02.840 --> 01:34:04.800
Aren't we in a fun process? I mean this is

1737
01:34:04.920 --> 01:34:07.960
like new adventure time here, a new exploration, which is

1738
01:34:08.039 --> 01:34:10.319
really cool to see what this is going to look

1739
01:34:10.399 --> 01:34:12.720
like five years down the road. Now, we talked about

1740
01:34:12.800 --> 01:34:14.800
a couple of surprises. We got a couple of minutes

1741
01:34:14.880 --> 01:34:20.279
left here, Kimberly, what other surprises came out of this survey?

1742
01:34:20.319 --> 01:34:21.840
For you? It stands out?

1743
01:34:22.880 --> 01:34:24.800
Yeah, so I think you know, we've talked about a

1744
01:34:24.800 --> 01:34:26.520
few of them. As I said, we have been making

1745
01:34:26.520 --> 01:34:28.399
the case for a long time. We feel very strongly

1746
01:34:28.439 --> 01:34:31.319
about this at SaaS about the importance of responsible AI,

1747
01:34:31.439 --> 01:34:34.319
about ethical AI. So this report very much shows a

1748
01:34:34.359 --> 01:34:39.039
direct line between investment in those guardrails, in literacy, in

1749
01:34:39.119 --> 01:34:42.640
human centricity, and return on investment. I think that's important,

1750
01:34:43.800 --> 01:34:46.880
And as I alluded to before, I think it says

1751
01:34:46.880 --> 01:34:50.000
something about the nature of hype, where again, if we

1752
01:34:50.039 --> 01:34:53.119
are too overconfident, then we are taking out size risk,

1753
01:34:53.199 --> 01:34:55.319
and if we are under confident, well we need leaving

1754
01:34:55.560 --> 01:34:57.640
value on the table. So you know, I always come

1755
01:34:57.640 --> 01:35:00.520
back to those points. But something completely sort of out

1756
01:35:00.520 --> 01:35:03.319
of the box for me was that sort of out

1757
01:35:03.319 --> 01:35:05.880
of left field was for quantum AI, where thirty percent

1758
01:35:05.880 --> 01:35:08.359
of people said they were familiar with it and twenty

1759
01:35:08.399 --> 01:35:12.119
five percent said they trusted it, which is interesting because

1760
01:35:12.199 --> 01:35:14.520
it just again shows you said, we're in this interesting

1761
01:35:14.720 --> 01:35:18.840
perspective where the anticipation of value sometimes very much runs

1762
01:35:18.880 --> 01:35:21.840
ahead of the work required to realize that value. Because

1763
01:35:21.960 --> 01:35:25.479
quantum AI has a lot of applications potentially, but today

1764
01:35:25.520 --> 01:35:28.000
they are rare and it's still largely in research mode,

1765
01:35:28.079 --> 01:35:30.640
and it's going to be an adjunct, not a replacement,

1766
01:35:30.680 --> 01:35:33.800
of all of these other old fashioned AI and analytics.

1767
01:35:33.840 --> 01:35:35.479
So what do you think those numbers are going to

1768
01:35:35.479 --> 01:35:36.920
look like a year from now, right.

1769
01:35:37.760 --> 01:35:41.239
You know, I don't know. I think with quantum AI,

1770
01:35:41.640 --> 01:35:44.399
i'd have to have a further think. We're still not

1771
01:35:44.520 --> 01:35:46.800
at a point of a broad scale commercialization. I think

1772
01:35:46.800 --> 01:35:50.000
we're going to see a similar adoption trend that we're

1773
01:35:50.000 --> 01:35:52.560
seeing with maybe not with GENAI per se, but even

1774
01:35:52.600 --> 01:35:56.439
like a gentic AI, organizations really need to have a

1775
01:35:56.439 --> 01:36:00.479
lot of the core infrastructure, the data infrastructure, the business

1776
01:36:00.479 --> 01:36:03.239
infrastructure to be able to make use of these technologies,

1777
01:36:03.239 --> 01:36:05.119
and all of that needs to be in place before

1778
01:36:05.359 --> 01:36:07.680
we're going to be able to capitalize it once commercially

1779
01:36:07.680 --> 01:36:09.439
available platforms become available.

1780
01:36:09.880 --> 01:36:10.039
Well.

1781
01:36:10.119 --> 01:36:13.920
Kimberly Neville is a Strategic Advisor at SaaS. She provides

1782
01:36:14.000 --> 01:36:17.520
counsel on the strategic value and real world realities of

1783
01:36:17.560 --> 01:36:23.279
emerging advanced analytics and information. It tends trends to companies

1784
01:36:23.279 --> 01:36:28.039
worldwide and currently focused on demystifying and you definitely have

1785
01:36:28.119 --> 01:36:32.239
done that the business potential and practical implications of AI

1786
01:36:32.439 --> 01:36:35.720
and machine learning. Kimberly, thank you so much for being

1787
01:36:35.760 --> 01:36:38.560
with us as we wrap things up. Remind everybody where

1788
01:36:38.560 --> 01:36:39.800
they can go for more information.

1789
01:36:40.479 --> 01:36:43.359
Yeah, you can find us on SaaS dot com and

1790
01:36:43.399 --> 01:36:45.840
you can find this report at SaaS dot com slash

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ai impact and that's SAS dot com slash ai dash Impact.

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01:36:51.960 --> 01:36:54.159
So i'd encourage everyone to dig in.

1793
01:36:54.800 --> 01:36:55.000
Well.

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Thank you, Kimberly, take care. I have a great day.

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we've got a story of stories to share with you.

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We've been hearing a lot these days about Airbnb and

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before warned here, and in fact, I think it's quite interesting.

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I was sharing with Matthew Charles Arbitell, who's going to

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be on with us in just a moment. You know

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that I had been noticing Nick Saban's AIRBNBTV spot, which

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that was quite interesting and it's kind of comical and

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people have laughed it off. But as I'm hearing more

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and more stories about Airbnb, they're saying, hey, that is

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that is the tip of the iceberg, that the nightmare

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is worse than going into an Airbnb and sharing a

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hot tub with the owner of the facility. And you're

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going to hear more about Matthew's story here in just

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a second, and we'll bring him on now. Matthew. Welcome, Michelle.

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Good to have you with us.

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Thank you, Bill, it's good to be here.

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Thank you for me well, great to have here. Just

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give you a little background on Matthews, a former Trump

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love that common Sense Elections as super packed and he's

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here to tell his Airbnb night story, a nightmare of

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a story that as I'm hearing it, Matthew, this is

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happening way too common, way too often.

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Yeah, well, first, thank you for having me, you know,

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giving me the opportunity to tell you know, what's going

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on and what's affecting what I've learned tens of thousands

1897
01:42:39.199 --> 01:42:39.640
of people.

1898
01:42:41.239 --> 01:42:42.640
I used to love Airbnb, you.

1899
01:42:42.680 --> 01:42:44.520
Know, maybe ten years ago. I mean, I've never had

1900
01:42:44.560 --> 01:42:48.840
a problem. And I hate to say this, but I'm

1901
01:42:48.880 --> 01:42:51.600
beginning to believe that some of what happened may may.

1902
01:42:51.399 --> 01:42:53.439
Have been politically motivated. I'm not sure.

1903
01:42:53.439 --> 01:42:56.520
I can't exactly prove it yet, but you know, there's

1904
01:42:56.560 --> 01:42:59.399
a website called Airbnb Justice dot com where you can

1905
01:42:59.439 --> 01:43:05.840
hear this horrifying audio of an insane host and it's

1906
01:43:05.880 --> 01:43:08.079
really kind of tragic. I mean to make a very

1907
01:43:08.079 --> 01:43:10.079
long story short. You know, I had booked to stay

1908
01:43:10.119 --> 01:43:13.279
for a month in New York City with three Airbnb

1909
01:43:14.119 --> 01:43:17.319
The host said, well over three hundred reviews, so I thought, okay,

1910
01:43:17.399 --> 01:43:20.760
you know, probably could nothing. I don't think anything bad

1911
01:43:21.000 --> 01:43:23.520
will happen. I've never had a problem on Airbn up

1912
01:43:23.600 --> 01:43:27.319
until now. And you know, the first two weeks were fine.

1913
01:43:27.439 --> 01:43:30.239
She wasn't even there. She was there for the first

1914
01:43:30.279 --> 01:43:33.239
few days. We talked, We got along great. The Sun

1915
01:43:33.359 --> 01:43:37.159
was there, which was very bizarre. It was kind of strange.

1916
01:43:37.359 --> 01:43:40.079
And I remember the Sun had asked me, he said, hey,

1917
01:43:40.119 --> 01:43:42.159
does your last name start with an A?

1918
01:43:43.119 --> 01:43:43.760
And the way he.

1919
01:43:43.800 --> 01:43:47.920
Said it was very strange, and I said yes, because

1920
01:43:47.920 --> 01:43:50.199
in the platform I used my middle name Charles.

1921
01:43:50.960 --> 01:43:57.880
To actually avoid anything political. I deliberately use that. Flash

1922
01:43:57.960 --> 01:43:59.439
forward the next day.

1923
01:43:59.359 --> 01:44:02.159
Even in a Thanksgiving dinner. When you go to Thanksgiving dinner,

1924
01:44:02.199 --> 01:44:04.720
you just used Charles. You don't use your last name again.

1925
01:44:04.760 --> 01:44:09.479
Steak calm around there to play. Yeah, just kidding, I

1926
01:44:09.479 --> 01:44:10.039
don't blame you.

1927
01:44:10.119 --> 01:44:11.119
Go ahead, fast forward.

1928
01:44:11.119 --> 01:44:12.840
I gotta I got punched in the face day later

1929
01:44:12.960 --> 01:44:17.319
by the host Salted, and I saw it coming. When

1930
01:44:17.319 --> 01:44:20.199
she came back, it was as if she was possessed

1931
01:44:20.359 --> 01:44:23.439
by the devil. I mean, when you if you hear

1932
01:44:23.560 --> 01:44:25.479
some of this audio, you'll you'll find out very long.

1933
01:44:25.680 --> 01:44:28.279
It's got it's gut wrenching. I heard it. I couldn't.

1934
01:44:28.479 --> 01:44:31.239
I couldn't endure the whole thing. And and and I'm

1935
01:44:31.239 --> 01:44:33.840
just sitting here imagining what you must be enduring. You're

1936
01:44:33.880 --> 01:44:36.359
there face to face with that kind of hatred. I mean,

1937
01:44:36.359 --> 01:44:37.279
that is rage.

1938
01:44:37.640 --> 01:44:41.239
Oh yeah, and that now, thankfully I recorded it, thank god.

1939
01:44:41.359 --> 01:44:43.279
But then there was a whole lot more that I

1940
01:44:43.279 --> 01:44:44.600
had to endure. On the crazy parts.

1941
01:44:44.960 --> 01:44:47.840
I you know, she said these words, you know, and

1942
01:44:47.840 --> 01:44:51.920
I'm quoting she said, I am going to kill you unquote.

1943
01:44:52.600 --> 01:44:55.800
I immediately left. I was on the phone with Airbnb

1944
01:44:56.000 --> 01:44:59.319
for at least five hours. It was a very cold day.

1945
01:44:59.800 --> 01:45:02.399
All all my belongings were at this place. I was

1946
01:45:02.399 --> 01:45:05.520
in the transition of a move and I'm already two

1947
01:45:05.520 --> 01:45:08.199
weeks into my set and I'm pleading with AIRBNBA. I said,

1948
01:45:08.199 --> 01:45:11.760
please get me out of here, please something.

1949
01:45:11.600 --> 01:45:13.279
And of course, of course, what excuse me? Just say

1950
01:45:13.399 --> 01:45:16.279
with Airbnb, just so the audience understands, you pay in advance.

1951
01:45:16.560 --> 01:45:20.720
Oh yeah, yeah, so you're not paying as you go. Yeah,

1952
01:45:20.760 --> 01:45:21.680
they got your money.

1953
01:45:22.039 --> 01:45:23.600
Yep, they have my money.

1954
01:45:23.840 --> 01:45:26.159
And basically, you know, it's unfortunate. I mean, I was

1955
01:45:26.199 --> 01:45:28.840
on the phone with them for quite some time. They

1956
01:45:28.840 --> 01:45:31.520
gave me options. All the help is outsourced to India,

1957
01:45:31.600 --> 01:45:33.960
so they have no idea what they're doing. They gave

1958
01:45:34.000 --> 01:45:36.239
me a few options of places that were, you know,

1959
01:45:36.439 --> 01:45:38.239
in a different state in New.

1960
01:45:38.159 --> 01:45:39.840
Jersey for three days.

1961
01:45:40.119 --> 01:45:42.239
I had two weeks left on my stay and I said, guys,

1962
01:45:42.239 --> 01:45:45.279
that's not helping me. I was just threatened and I'll

1963
01:45:45.319 --> 01:45:48.039
never forget it. As on my way back, they failed

1964
01:45:48.079 --> 01:45:52.079
to remity any type of realistic solution. I was exhausted,

1965
01:45:52.119 --> 01:45:54.239
I said, guys, and I have all this on via

1966
01:45:54.319 --> 01:45:57.000
chat on the on the app, which they deleted twenty

1967
01:45:57.000 --> 01:45:59.399
three of twenty five chats, but I saved all of them,

1968
01:46:00.359 --> 01:46:02.520
and I said, guys, I'm telling you something bad is

1969
01:46:02.560 --> 01:46:05.840
going to happen. I am walking into harm's way sure enough,

1970
01:46:06.479 --> 01:46:10.800
within maybe ten minutes is when I get assaulted around

1971
01:46:10.800 --> 01:46:13.560
twelve thirty in the morning. And then I said, well,

1972
01:46:14.600 --> 01:46:16.800
even though I still stayed, if you can believe that,

1973
01:46:16.880 --> 01:46:18.840
because all my belongings were there, and it was in

1974
01:46:18.840 --> 01:46:20.119
the middle of the night, where am.

1975
01:46:19.960 --> 01:46:23.079
I, well, exact where you're gonna go? Could you lock

1976
01:46:23.159 --> 01:46:24.479
the door or anything like that.

1977
01:46:24.760 --> 01:46:29.560
So the you know, the lock was actually broken. Yeah,

1978
01:46:29.600 --> 01:46:32.760
and she's already entered my roommate more than once. I

1979
01:46:32.800 --> 01:46:34.960
have that on audio as well. She'd admitted to it,

1980
01:46:34.960 --> 01:46:37.680
which I heard, Yeah, that's against the law. She puts

1981
01:46:37.680 --> 01:46:38.800
some of my stuff in the fridge.

1982
01:46:39.199 --> 01:46:40.920
I have pictures of this. You can't mix it up up.

1983
01:46:41.439 --> 01:46:45.640
So I barricaded myself in that whole night and I said, okay,

1984
01:46:45.680 --> 01:46:48.800
let me handle this in the morning. And I'm sure

1985
01:46:48.840 --> 01:46:54.439
Airbnb I sent them pictures of the black and blue right. Nothing,

1986
01:46:54.760 --> 01:46:57.520
just I was being just it. It's profits. There were

1987
01:46:57.520 --> 01:47:00.239
people they're like, oh, we suggest you call the police, cetera,

1988
01:47:00.279 --> 01:47:03.079
et cetera. I said, okay, fine, so I do. I

1989
01:47:03.079 --> 01:47:05.520
finally call the police. This was right after that rant

1990
01:47:05.560 --> 01:47:08.880
that you can hear where she's She's trying to intimidate

1991
01:47:08.920 --> 01:47:11.720
me and force me to leave, is what she's doing.

1992
01:47:12.319 --> 01:47:16.840
And the cops they're there within less than one hundred

1993
01:47:16.840 --> 01:47:17.520
and twenty seconds.

1994
01:47:17.560 --> 01:47:21.239
They're there. Remarkable, I was, I was blown away. Yeah,

1995
01:47:21.279 --> 01:47:22.840
and they arrested her.

1996
01:47:22.840 --> 01:47:27.520
She's being charged with five counts of aggravated assault, two

1997
01:47:27.520 --> 01:47:29.840
of which are in I believe the second degree misdemeanors.

1998
01:47:30.359 --> 01:47:32.560
They ordered this is by the eighty eight. By the way,

1999
01:47:33.920 --> 01:47:37.680
they ordered a protection a restraining order on my behalf,

2000
01:47:37.720 --> 01:47:41.920
which is very unusual, right exactly. You know, usually you

2001
01:47:42.039 --> 01:47:43.840
have to do it and you really kind of go

2002
01:47:43.920 --> 01:47:46.000
out of your way. So the fact that they did

2003
01:47:46.039 --> 01:47:48.439
that indicated to me this is not her first rodeo.

2004
01:47:49.000 --> 01:47:50.840
Right, Yeah, that's what I was going to ask you.

2005
01:47:50.840 --> 01:47:52.319
This seems like a model here.

2006
01:47:52.640 --> 01:47:55.439
Yes, And I did a lot of detective work, and

2007
01:47:55.520 --> 01:47:59.359
I have a good lawyer too, and you know, I

2008
01:47:59.399 --> 01:48:01.279
found out that she is five different aliases in the

2009
01:48:01.319 --> 01:48:04.520
state of Pennsylvania alone. She's quite the record, quite the

2010
01:48:04.600 --> 01:48:07.520
rap sheet, and Airbnb knew about this. And then this

2011
01:48:07.560 --> 01:48:10.039
is what opened up Pandora's box. I put this post.

2012
01:48:10.079 --> 01:48:12.520
It is around seventy thousand views now and tens of

2013
01:48:12.520 --> 01:48:14.079
thousands of comments on TikTok.

2014
01:48:14.079 --> 01:48:15.960
A friend of mine told me to do it, and

2015
01:48:15.960 --> 01:48:16.720
I'm what I did.

2016
01:48:17.840 --> 01:48:19.840
This is when I learned that Airbnb does not require

2017
01:48:19.840 --> 01:48:23.039
background checks for host or guests. Oh and I'm look,

2018
01:48:23.039 --> 01:48:26.439
are you kidding? I had no idea through one of

2019
01:48:26.479 --> 01:48:29.880
the And then people are submitting me legal documents on TikTok,

2020
01:48:30.239 --> 01:48:33.840
like docket numbers and everything. One person had forty eight

2021
01:48:33.880 --> 01:48:37.479
counts of a criminal rap. He to forty eight forty

2022
01:48:37.520 --> 01:48:40.800
eight things. One of them was sexual assault. What happened

2023
01:48:40.840 --> 01:48:43.800
to this poor woman who she was sexually assaulted by

2024
01:48:43.800 --> 01:48:46.359
one of the hosts. And that's what I see happening

2025
01:48:46.399 --> 01:48:48.640
time and time again, is that they've gotten so big.

2026
01:48:49.159 --> 01:48:52.600
Hosts have basically become god. They know that they can

2027
01:48:52.640 --> 01:48:55.920
do anything they want. They can bully people, they can intimidate,

2028
01:48:56.279 --> 01:49:00.880
they can harass or assault and more or let's get

2029
01:49:00.920 --> 01:49:02.479
away with it because they can say, well, good luck

2030
01:49:02.479 --> 01:49:05.960
with support, good luck, try it luck. And then that's

2031
01:49:05.960 --> 01:49:08.159
what donomy. And then I started to see, I really said,

2032
01:49:08.159 --> 01:49:09.920
you know, I started to look at this from a

2033
01:49:09.920 --> 01:49:13.000
different perspective, and I started to find that there are

2034
01:49:13.000 --> 01:49:16.760
companies online that will who work with Airbnb, so they're

2035
01:49:16.760 --> 01:49:21.199
implicit in this, that will basically buy you fake reviews,

2036
01:49:21.239 --> 01:49:22.439
fake good reviews, and.

2037
01:49:23.399 --> 01:49:24.079
Real bad ones.

2038
01:49:24.079 --> 01:49:26.359
Because it's like she's got over three hundred review that's

2039
01:49:26.399 --> 01:49:29.279
a lot, yes, right, yeah, and the way she acted

2040
01:49:29.399 --> 01:49:31.720
and giving her criminal background, I'm like, there's just no

2041
01:49:31.800 --> 01:49:34.359
way she's got so many nice reviews.

2042
01:49:34.399 --> 01:49:36.039
There's just no way. Is that up?

2043
01:49:36.479 --> 01:49:38.800
Well, how does the Airbn we're going to go out

2044
01:49:38.800 --> 01:49:42.520
of three minutes left here, Matthew. How does Airbnb get

2045
01:49:42.520 --> 01:49:44.279
away with this? I mean, are they just kind of

2046
01:49:44.359 --> 01:49:48.079
some nondescript entity in India or some out there somewhere

2047
01:49:48.079 --> 01:49:48.560
in the ether.

2048
01:49:49.319 --> 01:49:51.680
Well, they get away with it because they know that

2049
01:49:51.920 --> 01:49:54.239
this is they're kind of sticking it to the man.

2050
01:49:54.479 --> 01:49:58.079
They're basically saying, well, we know that we're well aware of.

2051
01:49:58.039 --> 01:50:01.119
What's going on, and they have full knowledge. But they're

2052
01:50:01.159 --> 01:50:04.560
basically saying, you know, good luck, you know you're on

2053
01:50:04.600 --> 01:50:07.159
your own Basically, if something goes wrong on one of

2054
01:50:07.199 --> 01:50:09.439
your stays, you really are on your own. They're not

2055
01:50:09.560 --> 01:50:11.880
really going to do anything. They're not going to help,

2056
01:50:12.720 --> 01:50:15.560
and they want the host to continue to be god

2057
01:50:15.640 --> 01:50:18.840
because that's how they make money. And everything's outsourced, and

2058
01:50:18.880 --> 01:50:21.840
this should be Americans helping Americans. It should be these

2059
01:50:21.920 --> 01:50:25.439
jobs should be here, you know, a crisis team city

2060
01:50:25.479 --> 01:50:26.119
by city, you.

2061
01:50:26.039 --> 01:50:26.880
Know, that should be scaled.

2062
01:50:26.960 --> 01:50:29.520
This is not too hard, but they're putting the lives

2063
01:50:29.560 --> 01:50:33.319
of people and putting profits first. And really, I mean,

2064
01:50:33.399 --> 01:50:37.239
unless you have an outlet or a platform, it's it's

2065
01:50:37.319 --> 01:50:41.239
tough to get their attention. You know, we father lows

2066
01:50:41.279 --> 01:50:44.000
to wrong. Claim is they're you know, he was the

2067
01:50:44.119 --> 01:50:47.399
chief of staff for Biden. Already his judgment is already

2068
01:50:47.479 --> 01:50:50.680
very questionable. Right, that's their legal counsel, that's their being,

2069
01:50:50.840 --> 01:50:53.640
is legal counsel. My main thing is, you know that the

2070
01:50:53.680 --> 01:50:55.560
women tell you have left is that this has happened

2071
01:50:55.600 --> 01:50:59.000
to tens of thousands of people actuactly probably one hundreds

2072
01:50:59.000 --> 01:51:02.680
of thousands, and they all are outraged, but they have

2073
01:51:02.880 --> 01:51:07.680
nowhere to funnel that that aggression or that or what's happened.

2074
01:51:08.079 --> 01:51:10.079
And I want to start to get people to talk

2075
01:51:10.119 --> 01:51:13.319
about this and have justice be served to exactly what

2076
01:51:13.319 --> 01:51:15.039
the stuff that's been happening to people is.

2077
01:51:15.199 --> 01:51:15.840
It's terrible.

2078
01:51:15.880 --> 01:51:18.840
I mean, if I was from Europe, I mean I

2079
01:51:18.920 --> 01:51:20.920
had to I had to pay out of pocket for hotels.

2080
01:51:21.520 --> 01:51:23.359
I have no idea where to go or.

2081
01:51:23.279 --> 01:51:24.920
What to do. I know the city.

2082
01:51:24.960 --> 01:51:27.720
I'm from the city from you know, Westchester, and so

2083
01:51:27.800 --> 01:51:29.960
you know, I want to shine spotlight on this and

2084
01:51:30.000 --> 01:51:34.159
you know, start giving I'll say this solemn majority, maybe

2085
01:51:34.199 --> 01:51:36.800
a you know, a voice, if you will, you know,

2086
01:51:36.880 --> 01:51:38.960
there is a way and to start, you know, Janet

2087
01:51:39.000 --> 01:51:41.640
ritting some buzz around this because this is it's not

2088
01:51:41.680 --> 01:51:44.279
okay to be assaulted. I don't know if I can

2089
01:51:44.359 --> 01:51:47.399
know it's politically motivated, but it's not. This is not okay.

2090
01:51:47.840 --> 01:51:50.279
Yeah, well, you know the deal is is that, you know,

2091
01:51:50.399 --> 01:51:54.520
politically motivated. I mean, you're you're spending a lot of

2092
01:51:54.560 --> 01:51:57.279
time trying to argue that case unless you know, you

2093
01:51:57.359 --> 01:51:59.720
find something, you know, some evidence of her that says,

2094
01:51:59.760 --> 01:52:02.600
you know, she hates all conservatives and you know whatever,

2095
01:52:02.720 --> 01:52:05.399
you know, kind of deal. I mean to me, this

2096
01:52:05.439 --> 01:52:08.720
is where the law has just gotten overly complicated. It's like,

2097
01:52:08.760 --> 01:52:12.079
look at you got you got assaulted. Yeah, I mean

2098
01:52:12.119 --> 01:52:15.840
you can hear from the audio track alone that this

2099
01:52:15.920 --> 01:52:19.960
woman is unhinged and she's got a business, she's operating

2100
01:52:19.960 --> 01:52:22.239
a business out of her home, and there seems to

2101
01:52:22.279 --> 01:52:26.239
be a pattern here of where she has no respect

2102
01:52:26.279 --> 01:52:29.960
for the law or even providing the service that she says.

2103
01:52:30.000 --> 01:52:32.560
In Airbnb as well, I mean, is there any kind

2104
01:52:32.560 --> 01:52:35.800
of disclaimer with the contract that you that you signed

2105
01:52:35.800 --> 01:52:39.039
with Airbnb that says, hey, you know, if you have problems,

2106
01:52:39.039 --> 01:52:40.159
you're on your own, good luck.

2107
01:52:41.600 --> 01:52:43.439
It's a good question, more or less.

2108
01:52:43.439 --> 01:52:45.039
And that's sort of they try to kind of hide

2109
01:52:45.039 --> 01:52:48.000
behind it, say well, you you did kind of technically

2110
01:52:48.079 --> 01:52:50.439
agree to this, and like these one hundred page things

2111
01:52:50.439 --> 01:52:51.600
where you click and say.

2112
01:52:51.479 --> 01:52:53.119
Oh, yeah, right, you know what I mean.

2113
01:52:53.640 --> 01:52:56.520
But there are statues and there are laws under you know,

2114
01:52:56.560 --> 01:53:02.520
extenuating circumstances that will actually override that. That's what the

2115
01:53:02.560 --> 01:53:05.520
twenty three page demand letter that we sent to Airbnb,

2116
01:53:05.640 --> 01:53:09.239
which they mostly ignored. They're like, well, maybe we'll cover

2117
01:53:09.520 --> 01:53:11.880
medical expenses. You know, I may have a broken eye.

2118
01:53:11.880 --> 01:53:15.399
I still don't know yet, you know, maybe, And so

2119
01:53:16.319 --> 01:53:18.199
that's where a lot of it gets kind of interesting

2120
01:53:18.199 --> 01:53:20.399
because they say, well, technically you signed up and say, well,

2121
01:53:20.600 --> 01:53:22.880
I don't think people quite aware of that, that you're

2122
01:53:22.920 --> 01:53:25.279
allowing outright felons.

2123
01:53:25.319 --> 01:53:26.840
Right to be on your platform.

2124
01:53:27.359 --> 01:53:30.039
Right, And if people had any idea or the slightest

2125
01:53:30.079 --> 01:53:35.119
inclination that it could you she was using an alias.

2126
01:53:35.159 --> 01:53:36.760
I mean, she was using a fake.

2127
01:53:36.880 --> 01:53:39.199
Look, yeah, I mean the whole deal, the whole deal

2128
01:53:39.279 --> 01:53:42.439
is is uh spurious at best. But you know, in

2129
01:53:42.479 --> 01:53:45.359
the situation is like who signs up to get assaulted

2130
01:53:45.560 --> 01:53:46.720
or sexually abused?

2131
01:53:47.680 --> 01:53:48.640
And this isnt a I.

2132
01:53:48.560 --> 01:53:50.760
Mean, and I thought I had it bad when I

2133
01:53:50.800 --> 01:53:54.760
started reading these horror stories, especially with the sexual abuse. Uh,

2134
01:53:55.119 --> 01:53:56.520
my heart went out and that's when I was like,

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this is this is something else entirely. I mean, the

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the amount of comments I got and the amount of

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it's one horror story after another, and justice has not.

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Been served for any of them.

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One of them there was they paid someone to be quiet,

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paid her seven million dollars to not and then now

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she I believe the time had lapsed or something where

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she's able to talk about I think elements of it.

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But she was paid seven.

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Million dollars for silence, and she was sexually assaulted she

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was sexually assaulted.

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Well you got to imagine God, God only knows what

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she must have endured to get a seven million dollar

2148
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you know buy out like that. That's incredible. Well, Matthew,

2149
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thank you for coming on. I'm so sorry for what

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happened to you. I'm sorry for any city. This is

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regardless of political preference and that. I mean, this just

2152
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should not be happening in America. I mean, this is

2153
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just absurd. But keep us up to date. I want to.

2154
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I want to follow this and keep us up to

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date as to what's going on, because you know, I

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want our list our viewers, and our listeners to be

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aware with anything that has to do with a airbnb

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because this is an issue. And like I said, what

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what raised a flag for me when I started seeing

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those Nick Saban commercials? Right, And I'm going, well, that's odd,

2161
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you know, is this is what happens? Because my understanding

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of airbnbn I've done a couple of airbnbs, you know,

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just kind of probably mostly like the experience you've had.

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You go there, you got a room, it's all good,

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no problems, everything's hunky dory.

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Uh.

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But we're starting to hear more and more stories like

2168
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this and this is a disaster.

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Yeah, yeah it is.

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And then you know, I didn't know about the sabing

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An interview until you told me a day ago, and

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I kind of chuckled. I kind of found it amusing,

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and I was like, oh, it's it's.

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Well, well, you don't you know, almost been happier if

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she jumped in the hot tub with you opposed to

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you know, cussing at you and you know, causing you.

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01:55:55.439 --> 01:55:59.920
To night and oh yeah, it was a living nightmare.

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It was a living nightmare.

2179
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And she was out of her mind, insane.

2180
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Yeah, and they'll let her get.

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Away with it.

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I mean, they finally kicked her off the platform, but

2183
01:56:10.279 --> 01:56:11.359
that took a few weeks.

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01:56:11.439 --> 01:56:14.159
I'm like, oh, really, they didn't even do it right away.

2185
01:56:14.279 --> 01:56:15.479
They no, no.

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And I have screenshots of all that. She was still

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on there for a solid couple of weeks.

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Unbelievable. It was insane and well, well, Matthew, stay in touch, please, Matthew.

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Charles Arbitel, former Trump digital marketing strategists and co founder

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common Sense Selections, Thank you, Matthew.

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Take care well you Bill, Okay, you too, Hobye.

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