Oct. 2, 2025

The Bill Martinez Show 10 02 25

The Bill Martinez Show 10 02 25
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The Bill Martinez Show 10 02 25
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Are you ready?

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Yeah, Okay, let's do it.

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Bill Martinez Live a program about current events, our culture,

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our values, our politics, and our future.

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And now Bill Martinez.

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Welcome Morning in America. Six minutes half coffee art. Bill

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Martinez here with Mike O'Neill from Landmark Legal. Hey, Mike,

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how you doing.

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I'm good Bill, Good to be with you.

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Well, the government is shut down could be a good thing.

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I guess, all things considered, it's going to be interesting

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to see if Trump is really willing to push the

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nuclear bomb, you know, hit that nuclear button and get

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rid of some of these this excess weight in the government.

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The Democrats have really shot themselves in the foot potentially here,

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and and maybe Trump should let them feel the pain

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in their foot.

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We'll see, I mean, we'll see about that. You never

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you never clear about the political fallout here, I mean

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about how these come down. Traditionally, you know, it's the

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president who a lot of times carries the blame whenever

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we have these periodic shutdowns. But a couple of things

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to keep in mind about this. Number one is the

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big beautiful Bill funded a lot of the priorities for

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Donald Trump's agenda, so that money's there, so he doesn't

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necessarily have to worry about anything. Any of the promises

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he's made to the American people I think are going

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to be covered. Certainly, Americans are still going to get

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their entitlement checks, the Medicare checks, the Medicaid, the Medicare, Medicaid,

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Social Security, those are all going on. The Defense Department

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is still operating. So the necessities, the core necessities, core

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function of government obviously aren't going to grind to a halt.

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What's going to happen, of course, is you're seeing this

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with a lot has been made about the what the

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one hundred thousand federal employees being terminated or something of

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that numb you're seeing this.

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Look at Yeah, it could be as I've heard any

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word from one hundred to three hundred thousand, right.

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Well, keep in mind a lot of that is that

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a lot of the individuals who took the buy out

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at the beginning of the term that kicked in their

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date of last date of employment was I think September

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thirtieth or October first. That was already preordained. That wasn't

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something that has happened in the past couple of weeks.

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That was just something of course, of course, the Union

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is going to use those numbers, right of course, tell that, yeah.

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You're you're gonna get this, and so you're gonna get

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that again. Whether it's always interesting to meet with the

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government shut shutdowns, and again we talked about government shutdowns.

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We're talking about you know a lot of these alphabet

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soup agencies in Washington, DC, these bureaucracies ceasing to function

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for a period of time until they come back to work.

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How and I think the great Russian Lumba had talked

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about this before.

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How people's lives still go on.

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You know, things don't end catastrophically for our country when

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we have these quote unquote government shutdowns because Congress hasn't

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hasn't funded, there's been a work you know, there there's

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a an ability to make any compromise in Congress, and

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so that there's no money that goes forward. So but

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but again life goes on for our country, and we're

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going to see our core function, the core functions of

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government continue to continue to operate. People are gonna still

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get the services that they require a function. So we'll

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see I think politically probably this this this this again,

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I'm preordained to say this this way's in favor of Trump.

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I think he saw this coming. His director of omb

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has seen this coming. And I think they're going to

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take advantage of this opportunity and possibly cut a lot

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of positions and say, hey, look, we survived thirty days

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without this, what makes you think we can't survive three

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years without this position.

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So we'll see the fallout of it. I think I

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think this is going to weigh in favor of Trump.

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Well, I was surprised, Michael that the unions were quick

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to act before there was even a shutdown. The unions

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were already going to the courts, you know, which is

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interesting because usually you have to demonstrate injury before you

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can appeal to the court. Right, but absolutely the way

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politics works. But I get that. So here they are

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there to the ready. But you know, again, when you

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look at it in the context of all the excess

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weight that the government has been carried, thirty seven trillion

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dollars in debt, the Doze documentation, excess weights and everything

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that needed to be trimmed down, you know, it may

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not be the way Elon miss Musk had envisioned it,

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but it may be as a result of the Democrats

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as I said, shooting themselves in the foot.

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Absolutely, And I don't know it's funny because we live

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and I lived just outside Washington, d C. Outside the Boatway,

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but we live certainly in this area where I've been

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born and not born but raised in and kind of

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meshed in over these these many decades of my life.

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People in Washington, d C.

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And the metropolitan area the DMV live in a bubble.

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And I saw a stat the average federal worker salaries

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ninety thousand dollars plus benefits. So you're talking about ninety

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thousand dollars and then where your average private sector non

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federal workers around sixty thousand dollars. And the federal benefits

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are amazing. You see, you see the days off, you

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see the user lose. There's all these terms that federal

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employees have. And I don't think that I think the

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Democrats might have misjudged it. I don't think the American

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people as a whole, the other three hundred and fifty

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million Americans who actually have to live.

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In the in the real world, real world outside.

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The DMV, the simple I don't think there's a lot

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of sympathy for your average federal worker.

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Of course, around here. You know, I could be in

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trouble for saying that.

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Where I am be careful, but I don't think that

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your normal American is going to say, oh, I'm gonna

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I'm going to sympathize with the federal worker who's been

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making ninety thousand dollars a year, working four days a week,

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taking every taking four day weekends, has all these great benefits,

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essentially has a job for life, doesn't have to worry

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about it.

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You know, I think the general.

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Population and the political countenance is going to be, hey,

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welcome to the world.

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Federal Yeah, put on a helmet exactly. Well, And I

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don't want to sound like you. I mean, I mean

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in terms like you. I mean you and I agree,

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we don't want to be discompassionate. I mean, these are people,

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there's lives, there's there's a lot of stories in between.

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I mean, you already know that a lot of these

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government employees, because they're working part time getting paid full

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time money, they have gig jobs and so they're they're

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they're going to rely a little bit more on their

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gig job until they get reinstated and back pay and

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you know, or whatever happens.

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Maybe that won't happen that you know, And it's funny,

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that's always what happens, right is you get laid you

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don't get laid off, you get a vacation, thirty whatever.

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However, many days.

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It's kind of unpaid but eventually paid.

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But then you get paid, then you get then they

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always backfill it, as you say, so, maybe that's not

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the case here. Again, My always my take is is

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I'm I work for an organization, a non profit organization, Landmark,

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and I've never been guaranteed a job. I've never had

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the kind of job security that federal workforce has.

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And I always.

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Say, hey, welcome to the world that the rest of

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America lives in, where you know, if you can come

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in one day and guess what, there's a riff and hey,

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you know the company or your boss or whomever decided that,

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you know, we needed to cut ten percent of costs

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and you're part of that ten percent.

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Well, you know, when you work for the government.

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Again, as I said, I've been here for fifty years,

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I understand they never even it, never even enters into

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their calculus, and it just becomes how could.

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This e or happen?

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How can you're like Hey, guys, welcome to the real world.

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This is what every other American has to deal with

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every day of their lives.

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See, this is this is the bad thing about unions

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because they create an environment that's delusional and uh, you know,

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they want to keep everything the same. You know, you know,

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it breeds mediocrity because you can't stand out. You got

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to stay even with everybody else. Everybody gets paid and

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everybody gets the same promotions, all this kind of stuff

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that's part of you know, part of belonging to a union.

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And the fact that the unions couldn't make it in

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the in the public sector, so then they go into government, right,

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and you know, so they go into government, and look

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what happened. I mean, at one point, you know, you know,

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as far as the public was concerned and unions, it

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was about thirty thirty five percent of the workforce. Now

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it's probably what single digits less than ten percent, right,

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And so all that force and energy now went into government,

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and man, they're you know, they're dug in deep and uh,

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you know, with all the benefits. I mean we talk

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about benefits. I mean there's benefits on top of benefits,

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you know, trying to fire somebody for being incompetent, and

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you know, any any kind of normal job experience that

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you and I have been dealing with all our lives,

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you know, based on merit and effort and having to

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measure yourself, you know, based on the standards of the marketplace,

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right exactly, all that it all comes into play and

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your job security hangs in the balance. But not not

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when you're a government employee. I mean, mediocrity seems to

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be the older of the day.

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Yeah, and I think again you touched on the beginning

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of what you were saying. I want to give a

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little bit of good faith. I think a lot of

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the people here, you know, want to work, want to

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want to help, want to be good, want to do

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a good job. But again, you're right, the the entitled

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mindset is endemic, and I think that's just a function

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of it. And it's nothing personal. It's just and you

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live in this environment where you get a job and

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then you move up the GS ladder. You know, you're

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just twelve, thirteen, fourteen, et cetera, and you move at

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up it and if you're not good at your job,

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you get moved to someplace else, and then you're not

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good at your job there for a few more years,

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and then you move us someplace else and et cetera,

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and then.

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You it's the Peter principle in play here. We've got

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to go to quick break. We got more for Mike O'Neil.

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Back with you nineteen minutes after this top of they

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are right now from Landmark Legal. Mike O'Neill continues with us.

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You know, Mike, like you said, you know, we want

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to be compassionate because these are, you know, our fellow

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human beings. But maybe maybe they might have a moment

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of reality to say, hey, look, this is a good

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deal here. You know, it's a good deal.

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And I also want to but I think I want

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to also pull it back to my original point here

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is I don't think that the rest of America has

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a lot of sympathy for it. That's what I'm We're

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talking about. The political We're talking about the political fallout

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of this right. This is always as we're going to

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into mid terms of the Republicans going to be blamed.

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By the Democrats kind of doing.

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Who's going to be blamed for this, right, And of

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course you're going to hear the hell howling and caterwauling

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from the ruling class, the managerial class.

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In Washington, d C.

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But again, I just don't think, especially what every American

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has to live through for the past twenty five thirty years,

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I don't think that your your average run of the

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mill folks out in pick A City, Cincinnati, Cleveland, wherever,

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lou I don't think they're going to look there and go,

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oh wow, I feel so bad for those federal workers

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who have who actually I just I can't see it

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so airgo. I think that the political wins are going

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to be beneficial towards those who are operating to actually

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ensure that there's some financial accountability in the government, and hey,

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we're not going to give trillions of dollars to illegal immigrants.

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We're going to actually have some reforms here. We want

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to actually understand that there's this thirty seven trillion dollars

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of debt.

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We've got serious problems. Oh but what about the federal workforce.

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I just don't see a lot of people, a lot

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of normal Americans really being sympathetic to that and voting according.

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Well, unfortunately, because what happened is they've made it partisan.

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They've exposed themselves. You know, when you've got so many

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of them voting Democrat and Republicans are going, Okay, I'm

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starting to understand how this system is rigged here and

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what's going on. I mean, they come to the trough,

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they serve themselves happily at our expense. Enough stuff, and

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we need to we need to make some cutback. So

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you're right, I mean, it's it is a bit of

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mixed emotions, but it's actually I would say for hardline

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Republicans who see that, hey, the forces against them that

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have been in d C, that have you know, carved

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out this great opportunity for themselves. Now, don't cry for me, Argentina,

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you know.

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Right exactly, don't cry for me.

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I just the counties around Washington, DC are the wealthiest

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counties in the country. And again, when you know you

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have the OA, I think back in my time eight

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you know, we don't even feel it really around here.

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You don't feel the reverberations of economic decline around here.

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And I'm not saying, well, I would welcome that, but

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I am saying that a cold dose of reality.

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For for the for the for the federal workforce, I

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think would be a good.

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Now, maybe not a good, but they're structor structured in

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the world. You know, they're structured. Yeah, their bubble is

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structured that way though, Michael, like you said, and they're

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and they're a protected class. And you're right. The three

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hundred and fifty million Americans the rest of us who

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are up and down on this roller coaster of the

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secon and going through all this stuff, and you would

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think that whether it's the unions or there, but they

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don't think this way because they feel entitled. Hey, I

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got a contract with the government. Government says this is it.

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Everything's guaranteed. Even in you know, like in some states

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like in California, if there's a shortfall on their you know,

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on the retirement fund, then the citizens have to pay

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for it. They go to pick up the difference. I mean,

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this is absurd that this kind of stuff that goes

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on that doesn't go on for the rest of us

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in real life. So you're right. It makes us a

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little you know, a little hard hearted, I guess in

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a way. And that's kind of unfortunately I'm trying to,

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like you are, trying to protect myself from not feeling

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that way. But it's like, look, it set that aside.

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What kind of government can we afford and what needs

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to be done, because right now, clearly cuts need to happen.

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We need to trim down and this stuff. Right now

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the government's stopping for what everything that the Democrats voted

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on last thirteen times. We just keep it status quo

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because we're still in negotiations, going through the appropriation process.

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Seven weeks more needed in order to get this done,

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because these knuckleheads can't seem to deal with the deadline forever.

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I mean, it's like, I don't know what kind of

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calendar they operate on. The rest of us have to

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operate on a regular calendar, but they make up their own.

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And so here we are, and now we're dealing with

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the government shutdown. But it's like nobody's coming, even ha King,

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Jeffries or Schumer going because they can't control their party

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right now. Their party is in such shambles and the

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left wing has got them going over the cliff, yelling

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and screaming, and nobody is able to tell them. You know,

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Fetterman's trying to say, you guys, calm down, you need

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to take a chill pill. In fact, you know what,

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Yeah, and I get I think this is an opportunity

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at least the Trump administration.

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From what I've been able to figure out in my limited.

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Knowledge on this, is this is an opportunity to fundamentally

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remake government and say, hey, look this is what exactly, again,

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we spend, however, eight trillions of dollars every year, what

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exactly are we what.

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Are we getting out of this exactly?

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What are the core functions of our federal government? What

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is the core duties of it? And should is it

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necessary to be doing this? To be spending eight trillion

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dollars seven trillion dollars thirty you know, in incredible debts,

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incredible deficits every single year. Unsustainable. We all can agree

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with that. And so maybe this is an opportunity. I

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think again, the director of the OMB understands understands this.

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I think this is I think he's playing a long game, honestly, Bill,

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I think he sees a lot of how this how

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this is going to play out, and there's an opportunity

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to say, hey, look, maybe this bureaucratic mindset, maybe this

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status quo that you talk about, maybe it needs to

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get shaken a little bit and upset a little bit,

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maybe because we have to. Again, one of our long

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running themes in our conversation you and I have every

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week is if you don't rain in this spending, we're

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going off a cliff. We can't do it, guys.

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So to interest payment alan on thirty seven trillion dollars

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now higher than our military.

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Buddy, right exactly exactly.

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It's unsustainable.

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And demographically it's unsustainable. You're going to have you have

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the largest cohort baby boomers who are moving into retirement

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and are moving into old you know, well moving into

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retirement excuse me, and then into medicare, So they're going

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to be and then who's going to have to be

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feeding that monster, which is medicare funding for boomers X

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and millennials and then Z and how is that going

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to be possible? And so you have to look at

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what where are our priorities. You're going to have to

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make some difficult changes. It's some difficult choices here. And again,

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if that means the Department of the Interior doesn't get

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five billion dollars to do blah blah blah. Okay, well, hey,

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you know what would you rather have medicare for the

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boomers who are eighty years old who need whatever they need?

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Or do you want to have billions of dollars for

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this or this?

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Now?

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I understand the entitlements and Medicare is a huge monster,

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but there's going to have to be some sort of

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offsets with this sort of stuff, and hard choices are

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going to have to be made. So maybe this is it.

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Maybe you know, this isn't necessary. If this is what

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it takes, if it takes shut a show down, shut

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down between Republicans and Mcrafts to see who blinks first.

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Doesn't seem like Donald Trump's or the Republicans are gonna

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blink on this so well, you know.

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To your point, they've got a lot in their favor

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right now because their messaging is pretty simple. I mean

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the Democrats, I mean, of all things they're fighting for,

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is is medicare for illegal immigrants? Health care for illegal

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What that's a loser? I mean, what what are you thinking?

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For all that we've gone through, You're you're gonna that

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you're gonna put your flag down in the middle of

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that junk.

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Right, And it's just and and again the incompetency that's

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coming out. You see these these other stories, the extent

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to which the states are the Democrats are dying on

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this hill with with with illegal immigration. They're always dying

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on this hill.

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Again.

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You see the commercial driver's licenses being issued by states

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for people who don't speak English.

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You're seeing the H.

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One B visa abuses by it.

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It's like, does government, what does government do well? What

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do we what does it do well? And so why

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should I continue to fund And if you're looking, if

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you look at and you've seen the H one B

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visa scam, right, and I've done some work on it

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over the years, and you're you just you see the

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extent to which foreign entities and corporations, tech works particularly

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are taking advantage of this. You're saying, what is what

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Wait a minute, The government's supposed to determine who comes

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into this country. We have this visa program to ensure

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that we have the best in the brightest from other

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countries who come in and field jobs that are necessary

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for us. Wait, we didn't do this so that tech

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workers could have hundreds of or thousands and thousands of

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middle low to middle level managers working in these tech

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companies cheaply. And so people see again, normal people in

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America see the system completely working against them, right, the

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system driving DMV systems, health systems, everything. And they're saying,

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I don't care. I'm not gonna I'm not gonna work

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and pay my taxes so that illegal immigrants can have

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drivers' licenses or drive operator on interstate highways, or they

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could have free health care, or that they could come

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in here and take jobs that my kids.

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Should be had. So it's like, wake up, wake up left.

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I don't think they're going to wake up politically, and

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I think that'll be the continued to fallout.

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Well, and the thing is is that, you know, thank

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God for Donald Trump being the one to pick up

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the mantle and to and to fight this good fight

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on behalfter the American people. But you know, you've got

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these activist judges getting in the way, all these other

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interest governmental agency interests that are you know, fighting against

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common sense. I mean, because this thing is academic, and

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I think it's got to be frustrating for a guy

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who is a true chief executive officer CEOs of companies,

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they see something wrong, Boom, it's changed. You know, you

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turn on a dime here in the government. Man, it

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takes months, could take years, you know, in order to

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and you're dealing with this incompetency and all you're trying

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to do is serve the American people.

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Yeah, I think so.

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And I think you're talking about some of the lawsuits

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and the judges, but just keep in mind a couple

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of good some good points on that the Supreme there's

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there's been an incredible success at Scotis. I think there's

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nineteen twenty wins at this point now, sixteen seventeen in

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a row. So when we're talking about these emergency challenges

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to a lot of these executive actions, but the ones

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that go to Supreme Court are you're seeing some success there. Again,

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you're seeing affirmation of the Interestingly and unbonk, I think

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of the Fifth Circuit concluded that just yesterday concluded overruled.

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A panel of the Fifth Circuit concluded that the President

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did have the power under the Alien Enemies Act to

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act like he's to do his deportations. So again you're

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seeing a strengthening of the executive and I shouldn't say a strengthening.

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You're seeing a recognition that the executive power is vested

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within the executive.

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The president of the United States.

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And interestingly, there's a court there's a case called Trumper's

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with Slaughter, which is going to consider the Humphrey's Executor ruling,

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which is again the distribution of executive authority. This is

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this case is on the docket for the Supreme Court,

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Humprey's Executors on the docket.

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We can talk about that as it comes up in

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the coming weeks.

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But you're going to see a recognition by the Supreme

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Court of the executive authority of president, that the executive

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authority is vested in one president, in one man, the

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President of the United States and so exactly have the

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legislative authority, but he has executive authority.

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And that's how the.

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Framers designed it, and that's how it's going to be operating.

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Not Congress can't establish these quasi independent bodies that undermine

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the executive authority of the president. So we got so

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much more to talk about its.

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Deadlis, So I look forward to connecting again next week.

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Mike O'Neil from Landmark Legal Thank you, Michael, Take care,

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here along with doctor Michael Butchler, public policy analyst, economics expert,

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professor of finance at Stockton University in New Jersey. Hey,

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just in time, maybe you can help make sense out

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of this government shutdown? Is it good or bad?

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These things should shouldn't happen. They're not good things. President

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Trump will trying to turn it into something positive, but

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these are never good things. So why does this happen?

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So the federal government's fiscal year runs from October first

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to September thirtieth, So by September thirtieth, you have the

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Congress has to have a budget in place to authorize

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spending for the next fiscal year. Many many times they

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don't do that for whatever reason. They can't decide, they

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argue whatever, So they pass what's called the continuing resolution,

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and they last anywhere from you know, two to four months.

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And what that means is, let's do we can't decide

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what to do, so let's just hold everything the way

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it is now and will take time to resolve this.

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So that's what the Republicans wanted to do. As you know,

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they have controlled both houses of Congress.

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And that happens about what ninety percent of the time.

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I mean, because basically it's just like, hey, we're going

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to leave everything set right now as it is, and

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they'll give us a little bit more time to negotiate

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and get it through the appropriations committees.

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Right, that's exactly right. And we did have a shutdown

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I think in twenty seventeen or twenty eighteen. We had

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one I think in two twenty eleven. But as you say,

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ninety percent of the time they resolve this and the

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government doesn't have to shut down. This time, the Republicans

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passed in the House of Representatives a continuing resolution I

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think it for seventy five days. It got to the Senate,

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I was Senate. It needs sixty votes, so the only

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ended up getting I think fifty three fifty fifty five,

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so there's still five shorts. Some Democrats voted for it.

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I think one Republican Ran Paul I think, voted against it.

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But they did have some Democrats but not enough. So

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now the government shuts down. So the question is what

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is the big argument at this time? Well, the Democrats

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when that big, beautiful bill was passed. The Democrats didn't

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support it. I don't think any of them voted for it.

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And the reason was was too much government spending was

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being cut, and a lot of it was in the healthcare.

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So backtrack just a minute. We have a severe problem

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that the federal government keeps spending more money than it has.

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That has led to a thirty seven trillion dollar public debt.

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And President Trump has said I was elected to if

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I can't bring the debt down once, I like to

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at least stop it from getting worse. So he inherited

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a budget with about a two trillion dollar deficit, and

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he said, look, let's try to figure out how to

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make the government more efficient.

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Now, now, hang on just a second. I see a

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lot of people are missing this, and it's key that

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you brought that up two trillion dollars. He's walking in

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the door and he's upside down two trillion dollars.

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Correct.

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And the Democrats are okay with that.

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They are because they to cut government spending, you're going

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to have to cut some programs that they don't want

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to have cut. For instance, Elon Musk comes in and

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doze and he looks at Medicaid seventy million. Seventy million

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Americans are on Medicaid. So those examines all this and

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they say, you know, there's about ten million of those

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seventy million that shouldn't be on Medicaid. They're either not

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eligible or there's a number of people who are able

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bodied and should work and pay for their own health care.

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So he found about ten million of the seventy million

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should either not be there or should be earning their own.

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So we tried to cut Medicaid, I might say, we

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tried to cut Medicaid. And when it got to Congress,

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so many senators, even some Republicans, objected to this. You're

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going to throw poor people out on the street. They

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won't have health care. And although Musk found what he

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thought were hundreds of billions of dollars of cuts in

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Medicaid and other areas, they were only able to pass

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a nine nine billion dollar cut out of the hundreds

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of billions. So a big, beautiful bill they said, listen,

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we're not funding Medicaid anymore beyond what Americans who deserve

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it should should get it got through Congress. The Democrats

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were extremely upset with that, so they said, listen, we're

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going to try to reverse this. Where do we have

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some leverage where we can do that. Well, the government

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budget is expired. They'll pass a continuing resolution, So we're

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going to say we'll go along with it. But you

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have to restore all of the medicaid cuts and there's

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some Obama Obama gear cuts too. You have to restore

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all of that or we're not voting for it. Trump said,

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you're adding another trillion dollars to suspending I can't do that.

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Well. And wasn't there some illegal immigration medical coverage in

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that too as well?

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So some of the people that aren't eligible are illegal

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immigrants who should not be collecting medicaid. And Trump said,

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we're only going to follow the law. Whoever is allowed

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to get it, we'll give it to them. If you're

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not allowed to get it, we're not going to give

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it to you.

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Do we know what that number is, Michael? How many

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illegal immigrants are on the.

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Doll I'm not sure is the total of ten million

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shouldn't be collecting. I would estimate about half of those,

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and that's not factual, it's just my estimate. I would

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estimate about half of those or illegal immigrants that should

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be cut now the Democrats say, wait a minute, they're

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in the country. If you don't give them some kind

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of healthcare, what are they going to do if they're

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going to go to the hospitals and overburden our hospitals.

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But what's going to happen now? Trump's response is, well,

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we'll gladly escort them back to where they came from. Well,

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you can give them extra money to leave, and then

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we don't have that problem. That wasn't good enough for

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the Democrats, and they said, we're standing firm. If you

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don't restore that money, we're not voting for the continuing Resolution.

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And of course, a polling is behind Donald Trump on

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this right.

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It is even the Democrats, even slightly more more than

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half of the Democrats, but a majority do not favor

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what the Democratic Party is doing. Now, Chuck Schumer is

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in a real buy, you know.

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And that's really the tipping point of all this because

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of what happened with the Big beautiful Billy felt they felt,

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especially the left wing of the party, felt like he

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got fleeced. You know. Even Nancy Pelosi made the statement,

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which is typical of Nancy Pelosi, I don't give up

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something for nothing. You know, and her takeaway was that

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Schumer got nothing out of that deal exactly.

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And the last time we had a continuing resolution, Schumer said, look,

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I'd rather vote for this. I know it's not what

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we want, but I'd rather vote for this than to

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have the government shut down. So we got you know,

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seven or eight or ten Democrats to go along with them,

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and the continuing resolution was passed his party. His popularity

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in the Democratic Party sank. Yeah, it's a low point now,

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and even AOC is considering running against him in the Senate.

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So susem Schumer said, I can't agree to this because

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it killed me last time. If I hope don't agree

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to it, they're going to shut the government down. This time,

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the shutdown will be a little different. A lot of

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people get laid off. Typically when the government comes back,

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they bring all these people back. Trump has said with

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back pay. Oh yes, by the way, and with back pay.

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Trump has said, look, there are two point four million

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people employed by the federal government. Those recommendation said, if

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we modernize the systems, we can get by with about

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half of that one point two million, rather than the

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two point four. So Trump says, if I have to

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lay these people off. Before I bring people back, I'm

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going to modernize the system and only bring back what

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is necessary for the to keep the government operating efficiently,

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which is exactly what we want. If you never operate efficiently,

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but I want to want to keep it operating.

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Almost sounds like an oxymoron. I get to go ahead, uh.

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And I have to cut government spending. We have to

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come as close as possible, as soon as possible to

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balancing the federal budget. And I'm not going to spend

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money where we don't have to have to spend it.

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So Chuck Schumer in a way has really trapped himself,

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hasn't he Yes, he has. And that's if that's if

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Donald Trump can execute his you know, Plan B. And

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that is while these public employees are you know, laid off,

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that he gets them reassigned somewhere else other than our

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government and or just.

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Lays them off completely. They get two months severance pay.

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And he's paring down the workforce again again, is what

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he's trying to do because we don't need as many people.

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There was one thing those found.

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I'll tell you what.

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We got to go quick break. We'll pick it up

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You fourteen minutes before the top of the r Right now,

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I'm Bill Martinez. He's doctor Michael Butler. He's a public

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policy analyst, economics expert, and a professor of finance at

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Stockton University in New Jersey. Michael, before the break, you

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started to say that there were some things that DOGE

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had found in this this bloat of government employees.

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Yeah, so social security records are not done over the computer.

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They're done through paper, and they're stored and signed some

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limestone mine in Pennsylvania. Just literally I think Jimmy.

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I think Jimmy Hoffa's remains are in there somewhere.

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That's probably true too. So we have to modernize this.

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And President Trump says, look, I don't want to shut

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the government down. If you didn't want to agree to

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a continuing resolution, and you shut the government down, I'm

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going to use this as an opportunity. Now, the Democrats

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will take him to court. Right, we're saying, you can't

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lay off all these people, and you have to spend

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money that we've allocated. But just last week the Supreme

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Court said the president does not have to spend money

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that has been allocated, and if he decides not to

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spend it, he has a right to do that. The

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Democrats will still.

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Go We're talking about recision, right, that was the recision

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to happen. Yeah, exactly.

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And the Democrats will still go to court. They'll find

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a judge it's sympathetic with him that almost goes against

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what the Supreme Court says. And we'll get more court

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battles over this. But the point is we've got to

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reduce government spending. The taxpayers will give the federal government

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over five trillion dollars this year, over five trillion dollars.

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The federal government wants to spend over seven trillion dollars.

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We can't keep spending money that we don't have. I

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think in fifty nine of the last sixty three years

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we've had deficits in the budget. There's no plan to

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ever repay any of this. By the way, they sell

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a ten year or twenty year bond, the bond matures,

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they don't have money to pay it back. They sell

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new bonds to pay back the old bonds. You roll

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over the death. That's why the thing keeps going.

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Can you say, Can you say Ponzi?

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That's exactly the word that comes to mind. It seems

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like a huge Ponzi scheme, and the American public can't

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afford this. The interest expense alone is almost nine hundred

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billion dollars per year, right, that's nine hundred billion that

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we can't use for good programs that help people or

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reduce people's taxes.

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You know, Michael, you would think there is quite the

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movement in this country right now amongst young people. Disease

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and the exers are coming together in a dramatic way

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in some ways. I mean, they're really getting involved in

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understanding with government. They could really be galvanized. I believe

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under this issue of look at you, you are the

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next leaders, and you need to hold this current leadership

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accountable because guess what they want to do. They want

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to pass on to you this big mound of manure

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that was passed on to us, but it is compounded

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with interests and penalties, and you need to get involved

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and push back early. Don't wait until you come into

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office and you take over the reins of power. Now

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is the time to let your voice be heard. I

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think it was heard a little bit in twenty twenty

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four and that's why Trump got elected. But I think

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right now there needs to be kind of a renewal

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and a bit of a refocus on this issue, just

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economically alone, because if we're economically compromised, forget everything else

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right exactly exactly, and.

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All of the burden of this public debt falls on

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the younger generations people who are incurring this debt. But

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the time this debt comes due ten or twenty years,

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they're going to be gone. Oh yeah, So it's the

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younger people that have to deal with this, and it's

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a heavy burden that they're carrying. It will result in

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higher taxes and a reduction in government spending, which might

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not be a bad thing, but there might be some

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areas where you should have some government spending. Because of

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the size of the deficit and the debt, you simply

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can't have it. It's a good thing these younger people

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are getting involved, right involved that they get the better

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off the country will be well.

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The thing is is what they need to realize is

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that all these policies and decisions that you know that

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we have made in the past to get us to

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thirty seven trillion dollars, this has put capitalism and the

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American dream in jeopardy and has opened the eyes of

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these kids in such a way to buy into this

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dogma from Momdani out of New York and these socialists

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to think that that's a better alternative, because the key

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issue for them is I can't afford a house, I

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can't afford to live, cost of groceries, everything is going up,

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even though it's coming down in the energy sector, and

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there's a lot of positive prospect around the corner. And

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I'll have you address that in a moment, But right now,

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these kids are being told by the professors and these

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universities the mainstream media by Hakim Jeffreys and Schumer and

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anybody else who can get a microphone on the left

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telling these kids that yes, it's a mess and you

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can't afford it, and you know, and you need to

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get these bombs out of here.

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And that's the appeal of Mondamine too, he says, listen,

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vote for me, a freeze rents, a freeze prices. I'll

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have government grocery stores so we'll be able to give

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you food. And that's a better outcome, he says, than

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going with capitalism, when in reality, exactly the opposite happens.

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The government gets involved. Nothing ever works with you. The

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government that the problem is enterprise does it. They're motivated

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by profit. Now, government says, well, if we do it,

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we don't have to earn profit. But the thing is,

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with profit, you always try to get the cost as

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low as possible, exactly earn that profit. With the government,

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there's no incentive to ever lower the cost. In fact,

953
00:49:17.679 --> 00:49:20.599
you say, well, let's spend everything that's been budgeted. Otherwise

954
00:49:20.599 --> 00:49:22.440
they're going to cut us next year, so let's spend

955
00:49:22.519 --> 00:49:24.880
more than that we have to, and you end up

956
00:49:24.920 --> 00:49:28.519
with government spending going way up. Since the government is

957
00:49:28.559 --> 00:49:31.719
not necessarily attuned to the market because they don't have

958
00:49:31.840 --> 00:49:34.679
market economics and they don't see what the other marketplace works.

959
00:49:35.000 --> 00:49:38.679
They determine what's best for everybody, rather than in the market,

960
00:49:38.960 --> 00:49:42.039
consumers determine what's best for them. Every day by casting

961
00:49:42.360 --> 00:49:45.159
dollar votes. When you buy something, you're essentially casting a

962
00:49:45.199 --> 00:49:48.480
dollar vote for Italy. The products with the most votes

963
00:49:48.519 --> 00:49:51.599
come back, the products the left and he votes lead.

964
00:49:51.679 --> 00:49:55.880
But the consumers in the market decide what products are made,

965
00:49:55.920 --> 00:49:59.599
how they're made, all the characteristics. If you have the

966
00:49:59.639 --> 00:50:02.480
government with grocery stores, they'll tell you what they think

967
00:50:02.519 --> 00:50:05.480
you should eat, and they'll tell you how much of

968
00:50:05.519 --> 00:50:08.320
something you should get, and this is all that's allowed.

969
00:50:08.559 --> 00:50:10.760
I think they tried this, and I believe.

970
00:50:10.559 --> 00:50:12.360
It was Kansas.

971
00:50:12.480 --> 00:50:14.920
Yeah, it didn't work, and it's not going to work.

972
00:50:14.960 --> 00:50:15.599
It can't work.

973
00:50:16.320 --> 00:50:19.119
Oh yeah, I can still see the video. They were

974
00:50:19.159 --> 00:50:22.360
showing the shelves of this grocery store, government operated gram

975
00:50:22.599 --> 00:50:25.960
and they had I think one pack of hot dog buns.

976
00:50:27.159 --> 00:50:29.800
And and that's exactly what's going to happen.

977
00:50:29.840 --> 00:50:29.920
This.

978
00:50:30.559 --> 00:50:35.480
Trying to control prices always leads to shortages of products.

979
00:50:36.199 --> 00:50:39.400
If you let the marketplace determined right. The price might

980
00:50:39.440 --> 00:50:41.880
be a little higher, but there's enough to go around

981
00:50:41.960 --> 00:50:46.559
for everybody, and there aren't any shortages. And in our system,

982
00:50:47.440 --> 00:50:52.559
as long as there's opportunity provided for every well prepared American,

983
00:50:52.840 --> 00:50:55.360
you'll be able to earn enough income to buy what

984
00:50:55.400 --> 00:50:58.239
you want to pay for your own health insurance. And

985
00:50:58.280 --> 00:51:00.920
you know you don't need the taxpayers. The problem with

986
00:51:01.320 --> 00:51:03.679
mendaumbe was that the government will pay for it. The

987
00:51:03.760 --> 00:51:06.599
government doesn't have any money. All again is what they

988
00:51:06.639 --> 00:51:10.119
take for taxpayers. So you're asking other taxpayers to pay

989
00:51:10.360 --> 00:51:14.039
for their own food and the goods and services, and

990
00:51:14.079 --> 00:51:16.920
then to pay for some of yours. Simply not fair

991
00:51:17.119 --> 00:51:18.920
and it can't work well.

992
00:51:18.960 --> 00:51:22.480
In anticipation, you already have people living leaving New York

993
00:51:22.559 --> 00:51:25.880
in droves. I mean, it's a race to the top

994
00:51:25.920 --> 00:51:30.039
in terms of U haul exports between California and New

995
00:51:30.159 --> 00:51:34.039
York right now. You know everybody is moving out of

996
00:51:34.079 --> 00:51:40.639
these high tax states because it's it's not attenable. And

997
00:51:40.760 --> 00:51:44.199
the thing is, Michael, also, that happens when you freeze something.

998
00:51:44.239 --> 00:51:46.960
You say I'm gonna freeze rents, Well everything gets frozen

999
00:51:47.000 --> 00:51:48.760
and you're gonna freeze. I mean, I was talking to

1000
00:51:48.800 --> 00:51:50.519
my friend Liz Peek as she was telling me that

1001
00:51:51.159 --> 00:51:53.840
a one bedroom apartment in New York now is five

1002
00:51:53.880 --> 00:51:57.159
thousand dollars. Okay, so you freeze it at five thousand.

1003
00:51:57.519 --> 00:52:00.000
So what else is going to get frozen? Everything else

1004
00:52:00.119 --> 00:52:02.840
gets frozen. Your pay is going to get frozen, everything else.

1005
00:52:02.880 --> 00:52:07.800
So now it's sustained misery until they run out of money.

1006
00:52:07.880 --> 00:52:12.840
Right, That's exactly what happens. And when you hold prices down,

1007
00:52:13.320 --> 00:52:16.719
you discourage the market from producing more of it because

1008
00:52:16.719 --> 00:52:19.599
it's not profitable. If you let the market determine what

1009
00:52:19.679 --> 00:52:23.079
the price should be and it's profitable, then business will

1010
00:52:23.119 --> 00:52:27.679
make enough of something to fill the needs of consumers.

1011
00:52:27.760 --> 00:52:33.880
A market economy always works much better than government placing

1012
00:52:33.960 --> 00:52:40.320
any kind of restrictions on prices. Price ceilings create shortages.

1013
00:52:41.000 --> 00:52:44.519
They had rent control after World War Two in New York.

1014
00:52:44.559 --> 00:52:46.519
They said, well, these GI's are coming home. We can

1015
00:52:47.000 --> 00:52:49.079
you know, we can't let the rent o opsite put a

1016
00:52:50.519 --> 00:52:54.360
price rent freeze. It ended up creating a shortage, and

1017
00:52:54.440 --> 00:52:56.360
the shortage will never go away as long as you

1018
00:52:56.440 --> 00:53:00.159
have the frozen rents. And now the difference between the

1019
00:53:00.199 --> 00:53:03.480
market price and some of these rent control buildings is

1020
00:53:03.519 --> 00:53:07.039
so vast that you just can't get rid of the

1021
00:53:07.199 --> 00:53:10.440
price can control. So they painted themselves into a bad

1022
00:53:10.559 --> 00:53:13.880
mess as Zandami is going to make it much worse.

1023
00:53:14.119 --> 00:53:16.000
Yeah, and of course all that gave rise to the

1024
00:53:16.039 --> 00:53:20.400
slum lords, right exactly, because you know, people have to survive.

1025
00:53:20.480 --> 00:53:24.360
They got to make it work. And so what it does,

1026
00:53:24.440 --> 00:53:28.480
it restricts, as you say, the market and to where

1027
00:53:28.559 --> 00:53:31.960
the market always heals itself. I mean there's there's data,

1028
00:53:32.000 --> 00:53:35.519
empirical data to that point as opposed to this fact

1029
00:53:35.519 --> 00:53:39.199
and faculty lounge And no offense to you as a professor,

1030
00:53:39.440 --> 00:53:43.039
but I mean you get these faculty lounge the auticians

1031
00:53:43.119 --> 00:53:46.320
like Obama and that, and it just makes me scream.

1032
00:53:46.920 --> 00:53:50.440
They just don't understand the real world. They think, if

1033
00:53:50.440 --> 00:53:53.679
there's a problem, you have a poverty problem, take money

1034
00:53:53.719 --> 00:53:55.840
away from people that have earned it and give it

1035
00:53:55.880 --> 00:53:59.039
to these people and that'll help. It makes things worse. Yes,

1036
00:53:59.280 --> 00:54:02.599
you should do what I believe the government should do

1037
00:54:02.760 --> 00:54:06.719
is make sure everybody who's well prepared has an opportunity

1038
00:54:07.159 --> 00:54:10.320
to earn enough income to take care of them themselves.

1039
00:54:10.599 --> 00:54:13.320
You know, it's the old adage I always use. You

1040
00:54:13.320 --> 00:54:15.280
have a fisherman that's catching a lot of fish, and

1041
00:54:15.320 --> 00:54:19.599
another guy that's hungry. And so Democrats would say, look,

1042
00:54:19.599 --> 00:54:21.400
you don't need all that fish, give it, Give some

1043
00:54:21.559 --> 00:54:24.800
to the guy that's hungry. That creates two problems. The

1044
00:54:24.880 --> 00:54:28.079
hungry guy now depends on the fishermen for food, and

1045
00:54:28.119 --> 00:54:30.599
now the fisherman has to catch enough for himself and

1046
00:54:30.679 --> 00:54:33.639
somebody else. The better way to do it is to

1047
00:54:33.639 --> 00:54:36.440
give a fishing rod to the other person, tell them

1048
00:54:36.440 --> 00:54:39.239
to catch your own fish. We don't have any problems

1049
00:54:39.280 --> 00:54:40.320
going forward.

1050
00:54:40.559 --> 00:54:46.320
Right, I mean, it's just simple historical data and experience

1051
00:54:46.400 --> 00:54:48.679
that has thought as this. But yet we want to

1052
00:54:48.719 --> 00:54:51.320
rein met the wheel all in the name of bigger government.

1053
00:54:51.360 --> 00:54:55.840
Michael Butler, This is unbelievable. But again, I think a

1054
00:54:55.880 --> 00:54:58.679
lot is laying in terms of I have a lot

1055
00:54:58.679 --> 00:55:01.159
of hope because these young kids and the way they're

1056
00:55:02.119 --> 00:55:05.920
they've become so intellectualized and they're understanding more and more,

1057
00:55:06.119 --> 00:55:08.239
and uh, I think they need to come forward. We

1058
00:55:08.280 --> 00:55:10.880
need to We need their help here in order to

1059
00:55:10.960 --> 00:55:14.639
do something that is historical, something that Americans have been

1060
00:55:14.679 --> 00:55:16.320
wanting to do for a long time, and that is

1061
00:55:16.360 --> 00:55:19.199
to make our government affordable.

1062
00:55:19.519 --> 00:55:22.840
Right and control government. So it only does what it's

1063
00:55:22.880 --> 00:55:26.679
supposed to do, and stop all these income transfer programs

1064
00:55:26.719 --> 00:55:29.000
where again you're taking money away from people that have

1065
00:55:29.039 --> 00:55:31.639
earned it, given it the people who, for whatever reason,

1066
00:55:32.000 --> 00:55:35.880
haven't earned it. That's not a good way to solve problems.

1067
00:55:36.039 --> 00:55:39.000
Give everybody opportunity to earn their own income. It's the

1068
00:55:39.039 --> 00:55:40.320
way to solve these problems.

1069
00:55:40.480 --> 00:55:42.000
You know. The thing is that I think it's always

1070
00:55:42.079 --> 00:55:44.440
quite interesting is these people who talk about, you know,

1071
00:55:44.679 --> 00:55:47.679
sharing the wealth is you know, I don't get any

1072
00:55:47.800 --> 00:55:50.000
I don't get any I didn't get a check from

1073
00:55:50.039 --> 00:55:53.920
Michelle and Barack Obama. You know, Schumer's not sending me

1074
00:55:53.960 --> 00:55:54.400
a check.

1075
00:55:55.079 --> 00:55:59.760
Yeah, share share the wealth means again you're taking it

1076
00:55:59.760 --> 00:56:02.480
all away from people that have earned it. And people

1077
00:56:02.559 --> 00:56:05.079
that have the wealth maybe their family passed it on

1078
00:56:05.119 --> 00:56:07.840
to them, but they pretty much earned it them themselves.

1079
00:56:08.719 --> 00:56:13.039
Everybody has opportunity, or should have an opportunity, and if

1080
00:56:13.079 --> 00:56:16.039
you can earn your own income, it solves a lot

1081
00:56:16.039 --> 00:56:19.159
of these social problems too. You get it. A feeling

1082
00:56:19.199 --> 00:56:20.480
of self worth.

1083
00:56:20.519 --> 00:56:22.440
Oh my goodness, yes, yeah, yeah.

1084
00:56:22.559 --> 00:56:25.639
Just giving away money makes people feel I mean, they

1085
00:56:25.639 --> 00:56:27.440
take it because they don't have any other choice, but

1086
00:56:28.159 --> 00:56:30.599
they don't feel good about it. No without it angry

1087
00:56:30.719 --> 00:56:32.480
and you get all kinds of social problems.

1088
00:56:32.960 --> 00:56:35.280
Well. Doctor Michael Butler has been our guests. He's a

1089
00:56:35.280 --> 00:56:39.000
public policy analyst, economics expert, and professor of science at

1090
00:56:39.000 --> 00:56:42.280
Stockton University in New Jersey. Michael has always appreciate the time.

1091
00:56:42.320 --> 00:56:44.360
Take care, Thanks Bill, see again soon.

1092
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1112
00:57:59.239 --> 00:58:01.480
top of the air, Filmore FeNiS here with Scott Powell.

1113
00:58:01.880 --> 00:58:04.239
Mister Scott, good morning too, How are you great?

1114
00:58:04.280 --> 00:58:04.480
Bill?

1115
00:58:04.639 --> 00:58:08.119
Thank you well. I was reading the opening of the

1116
00:58:08.119 --> 00:58:12.239
Constitution of the United States. You know that powerful opening paragraph.

1117
00:58:12.280 --> 00:58:14.639
We the people of the United States, have created and

1118
00:58:14.760 --> 00:58:18.880
agreed to this Constitution for the United States of America.

1119
00:58:19.559 --> 00:58:22.800
We have done this in order to make our union stronger,

1120
00:58:23.480 --> 00:58:27.840
set standards for justice, keep the peace at home, provide

1121
00:58:27.920 --> 00:58:32.039
for our common defense, promote our general well being, and

1122
00:58:32.159 --> 00:58:37.760
make sure that the blessings of liberty continue for ourselves

1123
00:58:38.239 --> 00:58:43.079
and our descendants. And a paragraph, isn't that profound?

1124
00:58:43.880 --> 00:58:47.519
They're really it's so simple, it's so direct, and you

1125
00:58:47.559 --> 00:58:51.320
could say, if people read that opening paragraph, the first

1126
00:58:51.440 --> 00:58:54.320
reaction that many people will have is that there are

1127
00:58:54.320 --> 00:58:57.039
a whole there's a good number of people in America

1128
00:58:57.480 --> 00:58:58.960
that are opposed to everything.

1129
00:58:59.000 --> 00:59:02.639
You just said, yeah, yeah, amazing.

1130
00:59:03.159 --> 00:59:05.719
They want to tear the country down. They don't want liberty,

1131
00:59:05.760 --> 00:59:08.559
they don't want respect for law and order.

1132
00:59:09.519 --> 00:59:12.039
Yeah. And then you go ahead and you read mind

1133
00:59:12.119 --> 00:59:15.519
Calm for any of these socialism books and primers and

1134
00:59:15.559 --> 00:59:18.519
everything like that, and they don't even have a paragraph

1135
00:59:18.639 --> 00:59:21.360
or a sentence that would even approximate such a thing.

1136
00:59:24.239 --> 00:59:27.599
I mean, what an incredible vision. And the way this

1137
00:59:27.760 --> 00:59:29.760
is laid out, so you read it, I mean, it's

1138
00:59:29.800 --> 00:59:33.239
no wonder. You know, a lot has been said about

1139
00:59:33.320 --> 00:59:36.320
Charlie Kirk, you know his spiritual stance in that, but

1140
00:59:36.599 --> 00:59:38.360
one of the things that he often said to these

1141
00:59:38.440 --> 00:59:42.599
kids is America is a great country. And Charlie believed

1142
00:59:42.639 --> 00:59:46.119
it because you know, he really, you know, knew that

1143
00:59:46.199 --> 00:59:48.960
he needed to do some homework, and being a self

1144
00:59:49.000 --> 00:59:53.559
taught individual, he went deep into the history of this country.

1145
00:59:54.239 --> 00:59:56.880
And when you come across this first sentence, first of all,

1146
00:59:56.880 --> 00:59:59.960
you go, whoa this is? You know, this is where

1147
01:00:00.159 --> 01:00:03.360
dying for Perhaps let's let's let's go into this a

1148
01:00:03.360 --> 01:00:07.320
little bit deeper. But as he studied more and appreciated

1149
01:00:07.360 --> 01:00:09.840
the history of our great country soon to be two

1150
01:00:09.880 --> 01:00:13.800
hundred and fifty years and realizing the commitment that our

1151
01:00:13.840 --> 01:00:16.960
founding fathers made, Scott. I mean, they laid it all

1152
01:00:17.000 --> 01:00:20.320
on the line, including their very lives, for this great

1153
01:00:20.320 --> 01:00:21.119
American idea.

1154
01:00:21.679 --> 01:00:22.599
Yes, they sure did.

1155
01:00:22.800 --> 01:00:27.400
And it's we're not for them, we wouldn't be here.

1156
01:00:27.599 --> 01:00:32.800
I mean, you know, we had no real ability to

1157
01:00:32.840 --> 01:00:36.039
defeat the greatest military power in the world, Great Britain.

1158
01:00:36.159 --> 01:00:40.159
But but for the fact that we had great courageous

1159
01:00:40.239 --> 01:00:45.199
leadership and we persevered, We persisted for six long years

1160
01:00:45.239 --> 01:00:48.599
of the War of Independence, and finally, together with the

1161
01:00:48.639 --> 01:00:50.920
help of the French, you know, we had we had

1162
01:00:50.960 --> 01:00:53.440
that victory in Yorktown. And by that time the British

1163
01:00:53.519 --> 01:00:55.280
were kind of worn down.

1164
01:00:56.360 --> 01:00:57.800
And that was yeah, because it was supposed to be

1165
01:00:57.840 --> 01:00:59.039
one of those things, it was only going to take

1166
01:00:59.039 --> 01:01:01.360
a couple of days, right, how many How often, even

1167
01:01:01.400 --> 01:01:03.559
to this era, we hear, oh it's a three day

1168
01:01:03.599 --> 01:01:08.760
war three years later, right, Yeah. But you know the

1169
01:01:08.840 --> 01:01:11.119
thing is, Scott, is there's been so many other countries

1170
01:01:11.280 --> 01:01:15.719
that have tried to duplicate what America has. But you know,

1171
01:01:16.239 --> 01:01:19.639
you can get the exterior of it, but what really

1172
01:01:19.679 --> 01:01:23.000
counts as the soul of America? Right, And I believe

1173
01:01:23.039 --> 01:01:25.840
this is what Charlie Kirk understood, and what he was

1174
01:01:25.880 --> 01:01:28.719
trying to get across to these young kids is that

1175
01:01:29.199 --> 01:01:31.679
let's talk about the soul of America. How many other

1176
01:01:31.719 --> 01:01:35.480
countries said, Hey, I want what America has? Why can't

1177
01:01:35.519 --> 01:01:37.840
Why can't I? What's the difference? You know, they put

1178
01:01:37.840 --> 01:01:40.719
their pants on the same way we do. Why are they,

1179
01:01:41.039 --> 01:01:44.000
you know, so blessed and so special and why can't

1180
01:01:44.039 --> 01:01:44.920
we duplicate that?

1181
01:01:46.280 --> 01:01:49.679
Well, we have always been, you know, a speacon of

1182
01:01:49.800 --> 01:01:51.719
light to the world for the most part.

1183
01:01:54.239 --> 01:01:56.559
But where does that light come from? Scott? That's what

1184
01:01:56.599 --> 01:01:57.199
I'm getting to.

1185
01:01:57.719 --> 01:02:01.920
Well, the light, of course comes from the vision of

1186
01:02:01.960 --> 01:02:04.840
the Founders, the principles and vision of the Founders, which

1187
01:02:04.920 --> 01:02:08.679
was rooted in Christianity. It was rooted in the fact

1188
01:02:08.719 --> 01:02:14.039
that we as people are flawed, we're sinners, and yet

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we have capability of doing great things, and we're all

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designed uniquely individually. No two people are alike. So the

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Founders recognize that if the fallen nature of man could

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be controlled and the people could be free to fulfill

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their dreams and be creative, that this country would prosper.

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And it prospered unbelievably. It's first, you know, it's first

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growth period was probably greater than the growth rates in

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the twentieth century, in the twenty first century, you know,

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But nonetheless, you know, it's really remarkable. America has only

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four percent of the world's population, and yet we have

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delivered over ninety percent of the creativity in the world

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has come out of the United States. And out of

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that four percent of of the world's population, we've created

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twenty five percent of the world's wealth.

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So how much compare that to socialism and communism? What

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do you think their contribution to the world has been

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besides shared misery and death.

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Well, for the most part, yes, which you've you succinctly said.

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The reality China might be considered to be.

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Different.

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But China has this hybrid model of creating a form

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of capitalism while having total political control over the people.

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And China has had, you know, high growth rates, largely

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because of the United States. You know, we offshore so

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much of our manufacturing to China.

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In other words, were we took.

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Jobs away from the American people and we gave them

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to the Chinese people literally in moving our plants over there.

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And that was driven by the profit motive. So a

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lot of your free market libertarian types would have said, well,

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you know, you've got to let the capital flow where's

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it's best allocated and best utilized. And America's strength is

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not in manufacturing, so let's let the manufacturing jobs.

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Go elsewhere.

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How did that idea play out for you.

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Well, unfortunately, because of the politics of China, has played

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out terribly because China doesn't share our ideals. The Chinese government,

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the CCP, doesn't share the ideals of a free people

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being able to be creative and fulfill their dreams. The

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Chinese people are there to support the Communist Party goal,

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which is really world domination.

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I mean these exactly.

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They've stated it many times over what their goals are,

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and we don't take it seriously enough. Frankly, why don't

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we let the Chinese buy up all this farmland in America?

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We have to just say no.

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And as a matter of fact, I'd like to see

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Trump say, you know, we can't buy any land in China.

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I think you know, I've been thinking about this deal,

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and there's a security risk here, and there's also a

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food risk because we don't know the future. But this

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is our territory and we're going to take the land

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back and pay you back what you paid for it.

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Yeah, well, I think it's coming to that. Although Trump

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has such an uphill battle to fight here because as

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you mentioned early on here, Scott, we got the greed component.

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You know, China has been very smart. They know exactly

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what American politicians want and how to play that game,

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and so they sit there. I mean, something comes to mind,

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and it's probably not appropriate for me to say because

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it would echo some of the things that other politics

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have said about vulnerable young girls and one hundred dollars

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bill being drug through their trailer lots, and so some

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somewhere along that line, that's what China has done. They've

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taken one hundred dollars bills and drug them through the

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political landscape, and they've captured these politicians in such a

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way that their interests becomes compromised in terms of American interest.

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And it's not America first, it is China first. And

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that's what that's what's real obvious. I mean, I don't

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think it takes an incredible amount of thinking and analysis.

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All you got to look is that look at the

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fruit of the tree, Scott.

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Right right, Yes, and we're you know, we're clearly making

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waking up. You know Trump, Trump has been a little

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bit slow on the China issue. You know we keep

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calling Ajijinping as friend. Well, it's okay if you have

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corsial relations with your adversary. But you've got to you've

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got to get back to principles and you've got.

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To trust them. And I trust I'm trusting. I'm trusting

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at least I want to. I want to trust it.

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We're going to get there. We've got to go to break.

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And we're back with you. Scott Powell, the author and

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political columnists, continues with this, Scott, as you were saying,

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I think that Trump in some ways, I mean, whether

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he's talking about Booten or any other adversary, even Kim

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John un the North Core reinheermit, he's gonna speak nice

1358
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of them.

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You know.

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In fact, who was it here recently a political figure

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that you know Trump didn't speak ill of her? I

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think was AOC And you know, I mean he was,

1363
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I guess respectful in a sense. He doesn't agree with

1364
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her politics. He made that clear. But you don't have

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to be mean spirited, Oh.

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Of course not, although he can take a few jabs

1367
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at people, There's no doubt about that. But I do

1368
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hope that you know, he's he's he's very deft, and

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he really plays you know, multi dimensional chess, and I

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think that he has I think he's going to get

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tougher on China and do things that will secure secure

1372
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US more over time. But we only have you know,

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a little more than three years left. So but look,

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I'm I'm very optimistic now. I think the direction that

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America is going and the strength of his administration is

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really impressive. And don't I don't see how the Democrats

1377
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pick up seats unless there's massive vote fraud.

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Well, you know, I look at it that way. But still,

1379
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you know, even you look at the polling and I'm going,

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why are the Democrats even polling any kind of numbers whatsoever?

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I mean, they're an absolute disaster, whether it you know,

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you're talking about immigration, you talk about you know, transsurgeries,

1383
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all this stuff that's going on, these ninety ten, eighty

1384
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twenty issues. And the Democrats, because they hate Donald Trump

1385
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so much, they can't even have a space of reason

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to say, hey, maybe we can you know, talk about

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this or have some discussion. I mean here recently, the

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Democrat leadership was going to have a meeting with Trump,

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and I thought, okay, well that's good news. But the

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deal was is that, you know, Chuck Schumer and the

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Democrats came in with an agenda that wanted to reverse

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everything that the big beautiful Bill had Just Gotti fight, Scott,

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I mean, how how can we have a discussion if

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that's the opening salvo? I mean, it's like, look at,

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let's not waste our time. Yeah.

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The saddest part of where we are as a nation

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now is that we're so divided and so really a

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divided nation can't be as effective as it should be

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in dealing with foreign in a foreign policy and foreign adversaries.

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So that I think, but I think this is where

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Charlie Kirk was so effective in terms of trying to

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heal that divide. You know that we're divided because we've

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been told to be divided, Scott. The media, social media platforms,

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these adversarial agents within our country who want us at

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each other's throat, that do not want us to fulfill

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the opening paragraph of this Constitution because they're in the

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in the shadows, unelected, pulling some serious levers within, you know,

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within the body politic, and they want us to be

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adversarial with one another because that opens the door for

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them to capture power and control.

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You're absolutely right, So right, Bill, So where do we

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go from here? Well, I think we go from uh.

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You know, we we recognize that this is a moment

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in history now that we have not had in a

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long time.

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Uh.

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And it's it's sad that it came out of the

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monitorm of Charlie Kirk, But in very real ways, we

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recognize that the Church had its largest growth under persecution

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and the martyrdom of the early apostles.

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Were all marked with the exception of John.

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On the Island of Patmos So Charlie, I mean, who

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would have thought that Charlie Kirk, would you know, would

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01:15:58.479 --> 01:16:03.680
catalyze this revival in America, this awakening. I think we're

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01:16:03.680 --> 01:16:05.640
in an awakening period now.

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01:16:06.239 --> 01:16:09.199
I think potentially we are. We're at the beginning stages

1427
01:16:09.239 --> 01:16:12.159
of it. But you mentioned the church and people of faith.

1428
01:16:12.439 --> 01:16:18.079
This is why it's so important that everybody recommit. And

1429
01:16:19.720 --> 01:16:23.439
you know, as the Bible talks about if my people

1430
01:16:23.439 --> 01:16:27.359
who are called by my name will humble themselves, and

1431
01:16:27.399 --> 01:16:29.760
I think we have a spirit of humility that's fallen

1432
01:16:29.840 --> 01:16:33.800
upon the country since the shooting of Charlie Kirk. But

1433
01:16:33.880 --> 01:16:36.399
you've got to go through the process. You've got to

1434
01:16:36.439 --> 01:16:39.520
humble yourself. You've got to realize that we've fallen short,

1435
01:16:39.920 --> 01:16:42.880
and we've got to reconcile first our behavior with what

1436
01:16:42.960 --> 01:16:47.159
God says our behavior should be. And when we understand

1437
01:16:47.199 --> 01:16:50.239
how far we've missed the mark, then you're like in

1438
01:16:50.279 --> 01:16:53.720
the Book of Isaiah, you just say, I'm toast. You know,

1439
01:16:53.920 --> 01:16:57.560
God forget, I'm toast. I don't even know why you're

1440
01:16:57.600 --> 01:17:00.359
even giving me the time to even listen to my

1441
01:17:00.560 --> 01:17:05.359
act of contrition and my request for forgiveness. But God,

1442
01:17:05.399 --> 01:17:08.680
in his love and mercy, is ready to forgive in

1443
01:17:08.760 --> 01:17:12.319
spite of our own you know, our own limitation and

1444
01:17:12.439 --> 01:17:15.439
understanding of what forgiveness represents. But it's so powerful in

1445
01:17:15.479 --> 01:17:19.000
and of itself. But there must be before revival, there

1446
01:17:19.119 --> 01:17:21.720
must be the repentance. Or if we just do it

1447
01:17:21.760 --> 01:17:24.520
on the surface, Scott, it'll last a couple of weeks,

1448
01:17:24.560 --> 01:17:26.239
it'll be a experience.

1449
01:17:26.359 --> 01:17:30.439
Right, You're absolutely right. What you know, when we fully

1450
01:17:30.479 --> 01:17:34.319
acknowledge to God that we we need him and that

1451
01:17:34.439 --> 01:17:40.399
you know we've fallen short, and we really ask Christ

1452
01:17:40.439 --> 01:17:45.359
into our life as our true Lord and savior, that

1453
01:17:45.359 --> 01:17:50.279
that's something that needs to be renewed continuously. In other words,

1454
01:17:51.239 --> 01:17:56.239
we don't have all the answers we but God does

1455
01:17:56.319 --> 01:17:59.640
have the answers. So if we live day by day

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01:18:00.039 --> 01:18:03.800
in a godly way, doing right by other people, and

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01:18:05.560 --> 01:18:11.680
really giving some of our time beyond ourselves and our families,

1458
01:18:11.760 --> 01:18:16.720
we need to have more civic engagement. People certainly need

1459
01:18:16.720 --> 01:18:21.560
to understand the issues and how to vote. There should

1460
01:18:21.600 --> 01:18:24.880
be no such thing as loyalty necessarily to a party.

1461
01:18:24.880 --> 01:18:27.119
As a matter of fact, the founder is George Washington

1462
01:18:27.119 --> 01:18:31.800
in particular, was really quite opposed to political parties right

1463
01:18:31.880 --> 01:18:35.520
because he believed that the factionalism that would come with

1464
01:18:36.359 --> 01:18:41.279
political parties would divide the country and be avenues for corruption.

1465
01:18:41.880 --> 01:18:47.560
This man saw all this the very beginning of the country.

1466
01:18:47.640 --> 01:18:51.239
And that's precisely what has happened. The Chinese have entered

1467
01:18:51.279 --> 01:18:54.720
America and corrupted America because they entered through the largely

1468
01:18:54.800 --> 01:18:56.760
through the Democrat Party, but not entirely.

1469
01:18:57.319 --> 01:18:59.279
I mean, look at.

1470
01:19:00.079 --> 01:19:04.359
You know, look at our our our Kentucky our Kentucky

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01:19:04.399 --> 01:19:07.119
senator was I think this is his last term.

1472
01:19:07.720 --> 01:19:08.199
Uh.

1473
01:19:08.359 --> 01:19:11.920
You know, he's been doing the bidding of of China

1474
01:19:12.680 --> 01:19:15.840
of course because his wife is Chinese. His wife comes

1475
01:19:15.920 --> 01:19:20.039
from a very wealthy CCP connected family.

1476
01:19:21.399 --> 01:19:25.600
Yeah. Yeah, it's amazing, you know here not that long ago.

1477
01:19:25.640 --> 01:19:27.800
You think about it, you know, World War two and

1478
01:19:27.800 --> 01:19:30.840
what we did to the Japanese and tournament camps and everything,

1479
01:19:30.880 --> 01:19:33.760
and we wanted to protect our interests, you know. And

1480
01:19:33.800 --> 01:19:36.239
then and then of course then you had the uh

1481
01:19:36.800 --> 01:19:40.880
uh the era of all the communism uh you know

1482
01:19:40.960 --> 01:19:45.960
inquiries uh with Senator McCarthy and uh, you know, and

1483
01:19:45.960 --> 01:19:48.000
and here we are, we're just so compromised, you know.

1484
01:19:48.239 --> 01:19:48.359
Uh.

1485
01:19:48.920 --> 01:19:51.920
Trevor Lauden for years have has been declaring that we

1486
01:19:52.000 --> 01:19:55.680
had democratic socialists within the government, card caring you say,

1487
01:19:55.760 --> 01:19:58.920
card caring democratic socialist at least one hundred at the time.

1488
01:19:59.000 --> 01:20:01.079
This was a couple of year years ago. And now

1489
01:20:01.079 --> 01:20:04.560
they're out of the closet, you know, Mandami and everybody there.

1490
01:20:05.039 --> 01:20:08.479
You know, there's no there's no secret anymore, AOC, the

1491
01:20:08.520 --> 01:20:12.680
whole gang. They're democratic socialists. Well that's right, and but

1492
01:20:12.720 --> 01:20:16.079
people hear democrat and they hear socialists and they don't

1493
01:20:16.119 --> 01:20:19.159
really understand, I mean, what what they're focusing on, is

1494
01:20:19.199 --> 01:20:23.640
they hear democrat. They don't hear socialists, right, right, And so.

1495
01:20:23.680 --> 01:20:28.039
Really, what what people need to do is take actions

1496
01:20:28.039 --> 01:20:31.399
that will marginalize these people. You know, what good has

1497
01:20:31.479 --> 01:20:34.920
come out of democratic socialism. There has been no good

1498
01:20:35.319 --> 01:20:39.760
that is not of any socialist country except you know,

1499
01:20:39.920 --> 01:20:43.079
it's been uh lower stands of living.

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01:20:43.680 --> 01:20:43.800
Uh.

1501
01:20:45.279 --> 01:20:47.920
Well, if you're for if you're if you're for depopulation,

1502
01:20:48.039 --> 01:20:50.680
they've done a great job on depopulating, that's what they have.

1503
01:20:51.880 --> 01:20:54.479
So and so I think that you know, people need

1504
01:20:54.520 --> 01:20:55.880
to stand up to these people.

1505
01:20:56.000 --> 01:20:56.319
Everyone.

1506
01:20:56.600 --> 01:21:00.199
You know, people should go to Mundami political rallies and

1507
01:21:00.199 --> 01:21:05.840
and and not be in any way violent, but challenge

1508
01:21:05.840 --> 01:21:11.520
the man, speak truth to aspiring power and you won't

1509
01:21:12.279 --> 01:21:15.920
perhaps you won't succeed. And then on the other side,

1510
01:21:15.960 --> 01:21:18.800
people need to have a big mind. So one reason

1511
01:21:18.840 --> 01:21:23.560
that Mondamie can win is that the opposition is very divided.

1512
01:21:24.600 --> 01:21:26.319
Yes, and of course it's Democrat.

1513
01:21:26.479 --> 01:21:31.800
It's the Democrat opposition. And I think they need to

1514
01:21:31.840 --> 01:21:35.479
get together and decide. Look for the good of New York,

1515
01:21:35.600 --> 01:21:39.199
for the good of America, we can't allow Mondami to win.

1516
01:21:39.439 --> 01:21:42.439
So we've got to get behind someone who can defeat

1517
01:21:42.479 --> 01:21:44.399
him and the others drop out.

1518
01:21:47.079 --> 01:21:49.960
Unfortunately, I mean that's been proposed. I don't see anybody

1519
01:21:50.039 --> 01:21:53.960
dropping out, Scott. You know, the way it looks is

1520
01:21:54.000 --> 01:21:56.960
that New York is going to have to realize that

1521
01:21:57.319 --> 01:21:59.760
gravity does exist. They're all on the roof and they're

1522
01:21:59.760 --> 01:22:04.760
going to fall and realize, you know, what socialism looks like.

1523
01:22:05.439 --> 01:22:09.399
And you know, there could be some pain ahead for

1524
01:22:09.520 --> 01:22:14.560
New Yorkers along with that, moving vans, in mass escaping,

1525
01:22:15.239 --> 01:22:17.319
escaping New York, that's for sure. But we got to

1526
01:22:17.399 --> 01:22:19.680
leave it there for now. He's the author, member of

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the Committee on this Present Danger China, and a senior

1528
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fellow at the Discovery Institute. Scott Powell, Thank you, Scott.

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Take care, Thank you. Bill.

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Well, good morning and welcome. Good you you joined us.

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I'm Bill Martinez. She is Priscilla Rodriguez, and she's got

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all the information mom and dad and students regarding the

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piace AT and SAT scores and readiness and all that.

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She's a senior vice president of College Readiness Assessments and

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pisat Priscilla. Welcome, Michelle. Good to have you with us.

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Thank you, I really appreciate it.

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Well, I'm glad you came here because I think that

1601
01:26:30.479 --> 01:26:34.960
so much about college preparedness is misunderstood, and we're still

1602
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trying to get some penetration out there and understanding, particularly

1603
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for the inbound college student and particularly parents who are

1604
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trying to help guide their way.

1605
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Right, that is exactly right. There's a lot of options

1606
01:26:47.800 --> 01:26:50.800
out there, there's a lot of information, and it can

1607
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be overwhelming for family. So anything I can do to

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help try to make it a little bit more easy,

1609
01:26:56.119 --> 01:26:57.399
I'm more than happy to do.

1610
01:26:57.840 --> 01:26:59.960
Priscilla. I think one of the things up front is

1611
01:27:00.199 --> 01:27:02.039
that it needs to be approached in such a way

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because a lot of kids and parents are thinking, I

1613
01:27:04.079 --> 01:27:06.560
just want to get my kid through high school. But

1614
01:27:06.760 --> 01:27:08.800
you know, you got to pause for a minute, because

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if you're thinking beyond high school, then you've got to

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understand there's rules to play, and you've got to understand

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01:27:15.119 --> 01:27:18.239
what's in operation and how to get prepared. And the

1618
01:27:18.319 --> 01:27:19.319
sooner the better. Right.

1619
01:27:20.159 --> 01:27:22.880
That is right, Yes, that is exactly right. High school

1620
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is obviously a really important time for students learning and development.

1621
01:27:28.159 --> 01:27:30.520
But it's also really important because it serves as a

1622
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springboard into life after high school. And like I said,

1623
01:27:35.159 --> 01:27:38.039
there's so many options. There's two year and four year colleges,

1624
01:27:38.079 --> 01:27:41.640
there's going into the workforce, there's combinations of those. Students

1625
01:27:41.680 --> 01:27:43.520
are taking a lot of pathways out of high school,

1626
01:27:43.520 --> 01:27:45.840
which is great, but we want to make sure they

1627
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have information in hand to be able to make decisions

1628
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that are best for them given their interests and their needs.

1629
01:27:53.600 --> 01:27:56.279
And one of the key considerations and thinking about your

1630
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future is the piece at m QT National Merit Scholarship

1631
01:28:02.880 --> 01:28:06.479
Qualifying Test. This is all elemental, isn't it.

1632
01:28:07.039 --> 01:28:09.520
That is exactly right. Yeah, we're talking at the perfect

1633
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time of year because every October, millions of tenth and

1634
01:28:14.640 --> 01:28:19.159
eleventh grade students take a test called the PSAT and

1635
01:28:19.359 --> 01:28:24.720
MSQT long name stands for Preliminary SAT National Merit Scholarship

1636
01:28:24.840 --> 01:28:27.800
Qualifying Test, like you said, and this is an important

1637
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moment for students because this test comes about halfway through

1638
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high school for them and it can really give them

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helpful information, connect them to resources and open doors, so

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it helps them prepare for the SAT that comes a

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little bit later that can help them on their college applications.

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It can show students and the adults around them where

1643
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students are in their learning of reading, writing, and math

1644
01:28:52.199 --> 01:28:54.319
while they still have time in high school to build

1645
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their skills and practice. It can identify which students have

1646
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potential to succeed in AP classes. Those are those advanced

1647
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placement classes that many high schools offer that give you

1648
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college credit, so that can save time and money. And then, lastly,

1649
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this test opens doors to over three hundred million dollars

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in scholarships every year, including the big National Merit Scholarship program.

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This is the only test that can make students eligible

1652
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for national merit recognition and scholarships.

1653
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Priscilla, you say tenth and eleventh graders. So can somebody

1654
01:29:29.880 --> 01:29:31.520
take it as a tenth grader and then take it

1655
01:29:31.560 --> 01:29:33.359
again and as eleventh grader they can?

1656
01:29:33.479 --> 01:29:36.359
Yeah. So schools provide this test to their student to

1657
01:29:36.359 --> 01:29:39.239
their students, and there are many schools who do exactly that.

1658
01:29:39.279 --> 01:29:41.640
They let students take it in tenth and eleventh grade.

1659
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It's two chances, right to see where you are and

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how you're learning and growing. Great practice for the SAT

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that comes a little bit later in high school.

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Yeah, some parents may think, look at This is the

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counselor's job to do. But like everything, it takes a team, right,

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So the counselors play a role in helping to advise,

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01:29:59.399 --> 01:30:01.640
but the parents need to understand that this is happening

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01:30:02.000 --> 01:30:05.039
and this will help them with the trajectory of their student.

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That's exactly right the test because it's measuring the reading, writing,

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01:30:09.079 --> 01:30:11.560
and mass skills that students learn in high school. Anyways,

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01:30:11.960 --> 01:30:15.279
it gives that great like middle of high school snapshot

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of where students are, and then they get connected to

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information and resources, mostly through a website we run at

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college Board called Bigfuture dot org all about helping students

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find their big futures that have college search tools, scholarship

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search tools, and more recently career exploration tools. Right, really

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thinking about skills and interest and what career students may

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want to put themselves on a path.

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For Priscilla, let's talk about the eight hundred thousand pound

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gorilla in the room. If it's okay, and that is

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that we got a lot of bad news about you know,

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kids reading levels in high school and that sort of thing,

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and some parents, some kids may be dissuaded and thinking, Okay,

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why should I try because you know I'm hearing everybody

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else is getting a bad score. But when we were

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kids raising up, being raised, my dad would always say,

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quit comparing yourself to others. You've got to be self responsible.

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You are, at the end of the day, going to

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be responsible for your grade and your You know your accomplishments,

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and you can't blame it on anybody else. Is that

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creating some barriers?

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That's a great question. We see all the score data

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01:31:31.600 --> 01:31:35.039
and trends that everybody else sees, and in my mind

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that makes tests like the P S A T, NMSQT

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and SAT all the more important.

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I would think we.

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As a country, and then you get down to the

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micro of a family, right, we need to know where

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our students are. Covering our eyes. Covering our ears doesn't

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help anyone. And with a test like the P S A,

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T and SATs that test the same skills they're learning

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in high school, this is a standardized way to know

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where students are. And only with that knowledge can adults

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around them lean in to your point. Like the students there, right,

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they have to be responsible for their learning, but the

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adults around them can support them, give them guidance and

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help them figure out where to focus their time. They're

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limited time to keep building the skills that they need

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to be able to have the kind of future they

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want to have after high school, whatever combination of college

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and career that is.

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And this is a great tool that's been around for

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a long time. But you know, like I said the opening, Priscilla, unfortunately,

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I think that this has been one of those overlooked

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tools that can prove to be invaluable. I know for

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yourself personally it you know, it's served your purposes and

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you wouldn't be where you were where you are today

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if but.

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For that right, it is really true, I have the

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honor of running the program that changed my life. My

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parents are immigrants to the US. They knew I needed

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a great education to be able to succeed and build

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a great life here. But there's a lot they didn't know.

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How do you apply to college in this country, how

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do you pay for it? Etc. And because my high

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school brought the PSAT and MSQT into the building for

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all eleventh graders when I was there, we all had

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the chance to take it for free. See how we did.

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And suddenly I realized and my family realized that I

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had more potential than we knew, right, and then conversations

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can change about options and I can start connecting with scholarships,

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which I was going to need to be able to

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go to college. Getting those scholarships early allowed me to

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have kind of bigger dreams about the colleges that I

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was able to go to.

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And again, what you're pointing to is some of these

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barriers that you put up in your mind that you

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don't know what you don't know, and so you know,

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01:33:51.000 --> 01:33:53.840
let's not have that as an excuse. Let's go and

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do some discovery. Take the test, find out where you

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stand and like yourself, Priscilla, be surprised that you know

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you're not as dumb as you thought you With all

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due respect, you know, no.

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That's exactly right. And I think you know, I have

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so much empathy for students. They hear the word test,

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especially one that has three letters like sat on it,

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and it's daunting and it can make you anxious. I

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think that's completely understandable. But what we're trying to do

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is reframe that it's not a judgment. It's a cool

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what have you learned? Where are your strengths? Where could

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you improve? And let's start opening doors to talk about

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the wide range of options students have you can explore.

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And with three hundred million dollars sitting there in the

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bank that is available to you, go get it exactly

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because if you don't guess what somebody else will right,

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is right.

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There's more money out there than students and families realize.

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And again, scholarships made such a difference for me. This

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is like a real personal passion to be sure that

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families go out and find out what's available to them.

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Even little scholarships add up and can really make the difference.

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Well, Priscella, as you said, this leads to preparation for

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the set right, and that's what you need to get

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into college.

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That's right.

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Yeah, it's the PSAT is designed to perfectly mirror the SAT,

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So it's the same structure, the same length, the same

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kinds of questions. Students who get to take the PSAT

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and MSQT will walk in on SAT Day with no surprises.

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Our goal is that they walk in confident and calm,

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so they can take a deep breath and just show

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what they've learned in high school.

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Right. Priscilla Rodriguez, Senior Vice President of College, writing this

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assessment sees the first generation in American As you heard

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her relate, she credits the PI set NMSQT. That's a

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mouthful sat in AP classes with changing her trajectory, and

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of course she's passionate as you can tell about this program.

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Where can parents and students go for more information? Percella

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So first off, the PSAT NMSBT is, as I mentioned,

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brought into high schools by the high school for their students.

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and we're going to be talking about the homeless epidemic.

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Her latest book, Answers Behind the Red Door, is just

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a wonderful book and gives you a lot of insight

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because a lot of people have questions, Michelle saying, you know,

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what is it? I mean here, we are the most

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powerful nation on the planet, the wealthiest, Why do we

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have this homelessness? Homelessness and along with it all the

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other malefactors associated with it, addiction and things that are not,

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you know, reliable in building a stable society.

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Yes, yeah, so if I may, I'd love to give

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you a little context to That is exactly why I

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wrote the book, not just to because everyone across the

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political party they were from, or what old or young,

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or you know, black or white, they were all saying,

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why has this all of a sudden become such a

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massive problem. So what it really goes back to is Historically,

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the church community, the faith based community, was the largest,

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you know, provider.

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Of services to the homeless.

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Exactly, and slowly but surely, the federal government took over

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that role. Right.

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This was after the nineteen thirties, right, I mean up

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to the nineteen thirties pretty much in that area.

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It really I haven't seen data that goes back that far,

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but really like the fifties and sixties, right, it just

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they just slowly emerge. And they've done this in other

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issue areas as well, right, But they all of a

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sudden became the largest funder of homelessness. No one gives

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more money than the federal government, largely HUD, the Department

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of Housing and Development. And because they were the largest funder,

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they drove policy.

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They drove the approach that we would take.

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Up until twenty thirteen, we provided temporary housing for those

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struggling with homelessness. I mean, as a federal government, the

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federal government provided temporary housing, and they provided services that

1898
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addressed the accompanying issues to homelessness, which are most often

1899
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mental illness and sub substance use disorder addiction. And those

1900
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services were fund and offered in conjunction with that temporary housing.

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In twenty thirteen, the Obama administration said, We're only going

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to do one thing from here on out. We're going

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to implement a one size fits all approach, and that

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is keys to an apartment for life.

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That's all we're going to do. We're not going to fund.

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Those services to address those accompanying issues. We're going to

1907
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instead put all that money into housing vouchers for the homeless.

1908
01:43:28.920 --> 01:43:33.479
And literally he promised, promise this would end homelessness in

1909
01:43:33.520 --> 01:43:36.880
a decade, and twelve years later, we're at the highest

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point ever recorded in our nation's history, thirty five almost

1911
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a thirty five percent increase, and people who are struggling

1912
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with homelessness who are also struggling about eighty percent of

1913
01:43:49.319 --> 01:43:53.880
whom are also struggling with addiction and mental illness. That

1914
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those issues have gone untreated. These are diseases of the brain,

1915
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as our classified by CDC. When diseases go untreated, they

1916
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get worse, just like in you know, cancer or cardiovascular health.

1917
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When you don't treat these diseases, they get worse. So

1918
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human beings are suffering throughout our cities and.

1919
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On our streets. They're sicker than they've ever been and

1920
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we've increased homelessness. Though we were supposed to end it.

1921
01:44:24.840 --> 01:44:27.399
We increased it by almost thirty five percent. It's been

1922
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a massive failure, and it's because all we decided to

1923
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do as a country is give lifelong you know, keys

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to a lifelong apartment unit.

1925
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Well, the thing that amazes me is that we here,

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we had decades of data and in that period of

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time up to twenty thirteen before prior to the Obama

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administration coming up with this incredible idea. I mean, what

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was the trajectory. Did we make a dent on this

1930
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or just like everything else that operates in the realm

1931
01:44:59.479 --> 01:45:02.000
of the theore, we end up growing the problem than

1932
01:45:02.079 --> 01:45:05.520
actually you know, seeing it seeing reduced. And somehow, because

1933
01:45:05.520 --> 01:45:08.800
of government agencies, in order to justify their existence, they

1934
01:45:08.840 --> 01:45:11.640
come up with these feeble excuses as to why, well,

1935
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we've got more people around, you know, we just you know,

1936
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may maybe we have better reporting or whatever excuse they make.

1937
01:45:19.159 --> 01:45:22.319
But there's really no accountability for all the money that

1938
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has been spent for homelessness. How many trillions of dollars

1939
01:45:25.119 --> 01:45:25.640
do we spent?

1940
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Yeah, so, and I'm so glad you brought that point up.

1941
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There was a three hundred percent increase under this one

1942
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size fits all housing first approach in spending three hundred percent,

1943
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and it still went up almost thirty five percent.

1944
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Right, So you're you're absolutely right.

1945
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There's no accountability at the system level. Certainly President Obama's

1946
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not being held accountable for it, of course, yeah, right,

1947
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But there's no accountability in this system at the individual level.

1948
01:45:55.159 --> 01:45:59.720
An individual is offered keys for life to an apartment.

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01:46:00.079 --> 01:46:03.520
They never have to work, they never have to be sober,

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01:46:03.760 --> 01:46:08.359
they never have to engage in any treatment, participate in THEIRS.

1951
01:46:08.520 --> 01:46:11.840
And that's to this day, Michelle, this day, until you

1952
01:46:12.319 --> 01:46:14.600
can't unwind that. You can't take the keys back, you

1953
01:46:14.600 --> 01:46:16.079
can't put requirements on that.

1954
01:46:16.520 --> 01:46:20.600
Well, the president, President Trump just issued about four weeks

1955
01:46:20.600 --> 01:46:24.479
ago in executive order that reverses all that. He basically

1956
01:46:24.479 --> 01:46:27.479
in his executive order says, number one, we need to

1957
01:46:27.520 --> 01:46:32.239
prioritize mental health and drug and alcohol treatment services. We

1958
01:46:32.279 --> 01:46:36.439
need to offer those services in conjunction with housing. We

1959
01:46:36.520 --> 01:46:38.359
need to temporary housing.

1960
01:46:38.479 --> 01:46:40.039
Right, we don't.

1961
01:46:40.840 --> 01:46:43.960
Most of the homeless, not eighty to ninety percent, do

1962
01:46:44.039 --> 01:46:48.359
not need lifelong housing. They need temporary housing until they

1963
01:46:48.399 --> 01:46:52.000
can develop the capacity the tools to take care of

1964
01:46:52.000 --> 01:46:54.800
that housing on their own into is it that big?

1965
01:46:54.840 --> 01:46:58.880
Really? Eighty ninety percent are available to where we could

1966
01:46:58.920 --> 01:47:01.720
move them out of out of government housing.

1967
01:47:02.199 --> 01:47:06.359
Oh, absolutely, if we gave them the proper support and

1968
01:47:06.399 --> 01:47:09.319
the incentives and said this is going to be up

1969
01:47:09.359 --> 01:47:09.800
to you.

1970
01:47:09.840 --> 01:47:12.359
So you got to learn, you know, to do this now.

1971
01:47:12.439 --> 01:47:17.479
Now, not everyone can be self sustaining, but eighty to

1972
01:47:17.600 --> 01:47:20.000
ninety percent, depending on where you are in the country,

1973
01:47:20.039 --> 01:47:23.279
And you know what segment of the population you're talking about,

1974
01:47:23.760 --> 01:47:27.840
can at least get partially there, if not all the

1975
01:47:27.880 --> 01:47:30.359
way there to self sustainability.

1976
01:47:29.840 --> 01:47:33.159
What's the number of that we're looking at?

1977
01:47:34.239 --> 01:47:36.199
Well, and this is another Oh my gosh, you and

1978
01:47:36.239 --> 01:47:39.039
I could talk for hours. This is another problem. The

1979
01:47:39.079 --> 01:47:45.159
way HUD counts homelessness. They took the federal government's definition.

1980
01:47:45.439 --> 01:47:48.279
It's called McKinney Vento. It was passed in the Reagan era.

1981
01:47:49.159 --> 01:47:52.680
It's been modified slightly over the years. But they took

1982
01:47:52.760 --> 01:47:57.760
that definition and modified it. And so they left what

1983
01:47:57.840 --> 01:48:01.199
they did and that modification. I can take the technicalities

1984
01:48:01.239 --> 01:48:04.479
if you're interested. But what they did was they excluded

1985
01:48:04.560 --> 01:48:08.239
fifty to sixty percent of families homeless families from their count.

1986
01:48:08.840 --> 01:48:10.279
So when you ask.

1987
01:48:10.159 --> 01:48:13.640
The question, Hud says, there's about, you know, just shy

1988
01:48:13.760 --> 01:48:18.560
of nine hundred thousand people struggling with homelessness in America.

1989
01:48:18.640 --> 01:48:19.920
If you look at Department of.

1990
01:48:19.960 --> 01:48:25.800
Education data that uses the full impact definition, it's two

1991
01:48:25.920 --> 01:48:29.319
point two million K through twelve students, which doesn't include

1992
01:48:29.319 --> 01:48:32.239
the parent or the non K twelve sibling if there

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01:48:32.319 --> 01:48:32.640
is one.

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01:48:32.840 --> 01:48:34.760
Is that on top of the nine hundred thousand.

1995
01:48:34.880 --> 01:48:35.920
Yes, yes, so.

1996
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You're talking you're talking to a million.

1997
01:48:38.119 --> 01:48:40.560
There's a little bit of overlap, but I would say

1998
01:48:40.600 --> 01:48:45.119
we're probably looking at two point six to two point

1999
01:48:45.119 --> 01:48:47.960
eight million homeless Americans right now.

2000
01:48:48.079 --> 01:48:53.119
And any consideration for illegal immigrants in that number.

2001
01:48:54.039 --> 01:48:56.880
Well, that's one of the things that Trump administration is

2002
01:48:57.399 --> 01:49:01.119
also working on, not necessarily within this executive order, but

2003
01:49:01.439 --> 01:49:05.640
you know what they're saying is in this executive order,

2004
01:49:05.680 --> 01:49:09.800
we need to if you want to continue to receive

2005
01:49:09.920 --> 01:49:13.880
federal funding, you the local community, whatever that community is,

2006
01:49:14.359 --> 01:49:17.560
you need to be clearing people out of encampments, bringing

2007
01:49:17.600 --> 01:49:21.039
them into programs. Some of that's going to require involuntary,

2008
01:49:22.239 --> 01:49:26.960
you know, commitments, but we these people are so sick.

2009
01:49:27.039 --> 01:49:30.039
On top of mental illness and addiction, a lot of

2010
01:49:30.079 --> 01:49:34.279
them are also struggling with anasygnosia, another disease of the brain,

2011
01:49:34.720 --> 01:49:38.800
which is actually a deficit of self awareness, and they

2012
01:49:38.920 --> 01:49:41.880
don't realize how sick they are. So we have got

2013
01:49:41.920 --> 01:49:46.720
to use the tools of involuntary commitment. We need to

2014
01:49:46.720 --> 01:49:50.479
be very judicious about using them and make sure we're

2015
01:49:50.640 --> 01:49:51.319
fair and.

2016
01:49:53.800 --> 01:49:56.920
We're doing it the right way. But we absolutely are going.

2017
01:49:56.920 --> 01:50:00.600
To need to mandate engagement in these services so people

2018
01:50:00.640 --> 01:50:04.800
can gain clarity of mine, understand what led them to homelessness,

2019
01:50:04.800 --> 01:50:06.000
and start to heal.

2020
01:50:05.920 --> 01:50:10.520
And grow and do something about this investment here. I mean,

2021
01:50:10.560 --> 01:50:12.720
we've got a lot of taxpayer money that's going in

2022
01:50:12.760 --> 01:50:15.039
and it's like, Okay, what are you what are you

2023
01:50:15.079 --> 01:50:18.119
doing with this? Yeah, and if it's not working, then hey,

2024
01:50:18.159 --> 01:50:20.000
maybe we need to do something different here. And I

2025
01:50:20.039 --> 01:50:22.319
think this is what Donald Trump is doing ye with

2026
01:50:22.520 --> 01:50:26.359
executive order to bring it to light. Because what I

2027
01:50:26.800 --> 01:50:30.079
appreciate about this president, whether we're talking about Ukraine, Russia,

2028
01:50:30.239 --> 01:50:33.319
it's always about the people that are damaged here. These

2029
01:50:33.359 --> 01:50:36.119
are American citizens that are on our streets, many of

2030
01:50:36.159 --> 01:50:40.000
them veterans. Oh and it just it breaks your heart

2031
01:50:40.079 --> 01:50:42.880
when you go, I mean, I got to tell you, Michelle.

2032
01:50:42.600 --> 01:50:46.159
I grew up in southern California. I worked in downtown

2033
01:50:46.239 --> 01:50:49.359
Los Angeles. I worked at several major radio stations. And

2034
01:50:49.399 --> 01:50:51.880
when I was back in California here last was the

2035
01:50:51.960 --> 01:50:55.279
year before last. I'm driving the old I mean the

2036
01:50:55.359 --> 01:50:57.680
one on one freeway that I drove many times to

2037
01:50:57.720 --> 01:51:01.239
go to the radio station on sunset, and I'm looking

2038
01:51:02.039 --> 01:51:08.520
at the highway overpass and underneath the overpasses are incampments,

2039
01:51:08.640 --> 01:51:12.039
homeless incampments. I mean they're there, They're out there. They're

2040
01:51:12.119 --> 01:51:15.159
just on the even on the sidewalk that's overlooking the

2041
01:51:15.199 --> 01:51:19.039
bridges that cross over the freeways there. And of course,

2042
01:51:19.079 --> 01:51:21.800
in LA I think the homeless number then was about

2043
01:51:21.960 --> 01:51:22.880
seventy thousand.

2044
01:51:23.439 --> 01:51:28.079
Yeah, it's crept up a bit, quite a bit. Actually,

2045
01:51:28.119 --> 01:51:30.479
I think it's somewhere in the mid eighties now.

2046
01:51:30.520 --> 01:51:34.640
But again that number is not including.

2047
01:51:35.600 --> 01:51:38.800
A big chunk of families, right, fifty to sixty percent

2048
01:51:38.800 --> 01:51:43.760
of families because of the HUT modifying the definition, right,

2049
01:51:43.840 --> 01:51:45.439
So it's much greater than that.

2050
01:51:46.159 --> 01:51:48.000
Well, Michelle, seeve, we got to have you back because

2051
01:51:48.039 --> 01:51:49.840
I need more time. Just like you said, we could

2052
01:51:49.840 --> 01:51:52.600
be talking about this stuff for hours. But I appreciate

2053
01:51:52.600 --> 01:51:54.520
all the great work you're doing, and we need to

2054
01:51:54.600 --> 01:51:57.039
keep our audience informed as what's going on. That we

2055
01:51:58.119 --> 01:52:01.359
give them hope and even that hope is realized, you know,

2056
01:52:01.560 --> 01:52:04.199
for the homeless in a positive manner to which we

2057
01:52:04.239 --> 01:52:06.640
can get them out in a positive sort of way,

2058
01:52:06.840 --> 01:52:10.840
constructive manner to where they can be contributing and productive

2059
01:52:10.880 --> 01:52:13.640
for themselves and their families and the community and those

2060
01:52:13.920 --> 01:52:16.199
that need help, that the services are there. I mean,

2061
01:52:16.239 --> 01:52:18.119
we're putting a lot of money in here. Let's make

2062
01:52:18.159 --> 01:52:20.239
sure that we're put it in the right spot.

2063
01:52:20.039 --> 01:52:22.479
Right well, And I just want to end on that

2064
01:52:22.640 --> 01:52:25.760
note of hope. I wrote the book because I know

2065
01:52:26.199 --> 01:52:28.600
I've served thirteen years on the front lines. I know

2066
01:52:29.239 --> 01:52:32.319
this is reversible. We've got to do it the right way.

2067
01:52:32.359 --> 01:52:36.239
The President is charting that course. But I just want

2068
01:52:36.279 --> 01:52:39.279
to leave your listeners and viewers with that that this

2069
01:52:39.520 --> 01:52:41.920
absolutely can be turned around, but it's not going to

2070
01:52:41.960 --> 01:52:44.680
happen overnight. We have a lot of work ahead to

2071
01:52:44.760 --> 01:52:46.640
build the right kind of system.

2072
01:52:46.960 --> 01:52:49.720
Well, it took us decades to get here, right, that's right. Yeah,

2073
01:52:49.800 --> 01:52:52.039
it's going to take some time, but I think we're

2074
01:52:52.079 --> 01:52:53.800
on the right track. Of Michelle Steve thank you so

2075
01:52:53.880 --> 01:52:56.600
much for bringing it to the forefront and breaking it down.

2076
01:52:56.640 --> 01:52:59.640
Of course, as she said about her book, The Red Door,

2077
01:53:00.399 --> 01:53:03.319
she is a visiting fellow with the Discovery Institute's Fixed

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01:53:03.359 --> 01:53:06.399
Homelessness Initiative. Thank you, Michelle, Take care be well.

2079
01:53:06.479 --> 01:53:08.000
Thank you, Bill, Thank you so much.

2080
01:53:08.880 --> 01:53:12.159
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