Sept. 30, 2025

The Bill Martinez Show 09 30 25

The Bill Martinez Show 09 30 25
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The Bill Martinez Show 09 30 25
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Are you ready?

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Yeah, Okay, let's do it.

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Bill Martinez Live, a program about current events, our culture,

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our values, our politics, and our future.

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And now Bill Martinez.

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Good morning.

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Welcome Bill Martinez here with doctor Shae Bradley Ferrell. Hey,

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doctor Shae.

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How you doing, Hey, Bill, It's always a pleasure to

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see you, sir.

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Well. I appreciate you coming on to talk about these

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hot issues. It's kind of amazing here we are a

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couple of weeks on the other side of the Charlie

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Kirk assassination and the influence. I mean, it's just amazing

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the impact this has had on the world, good and bad.

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Right, Yes, absolutely, And I will tell you my husband Chris,

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who you know well, and I knew Charlie not well,

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but we knew him, and it hit really hard. And

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this is our community, our conservative community of leadership that

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I just I pray protect over President Trump. They've tried

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to assassinate him twice. And this is a very difficult

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time in our nation, Bill.

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No question, and conservatives would appear to be right in

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the crosshairs, and especially when you've got the rhetoric of

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the left not even calming down, doctor Shafm, I mean

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you think, come on, please this. I mean, first of all,

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in Congress, they all couldn't come together to approve a

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simple proclamation.

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Yeah, that is tragic, Bill. I mean, if I didn't

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agree with.

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Somebody who had been shot in the neck and assassinated

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someone who was a good person, even if I didn't

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agree with them, I would have shown them respect as

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a Congress member, and they should have done that. So

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this is the problem of what you're talking about. Jimmy

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Kimmel was another one.

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Who went on the air and just you know, mocked the.

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Fact that conservatives were mourning over our friend and.

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Even like like a goldfish or something or whatever.

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Yes, that's exactly that is exactly right, Bill.

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They mocked it, and then they said that, you know,

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the MAGA team had done this. And you know, Bill,

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I wrote an article recently in Human Events that talked

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about how social media is being used to incite this

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hate and division in America and it is coming from

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the left hair in America.

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But what I was focused on.

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In my article that I want Americans to understand is

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that our foreign adversaries are doing this with our social

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media to incite this violence, to incite this rage. It

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is actually a strategy of war that they use. It's

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called asymmetric warfare. I know you know about this, seeing

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information operations and influence operations to not just spread disinformation

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in America, but to actually incite violence and hate and

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rage rage.

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Well, our adversaries see that America is vulnerable right now

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because of the divide. It's interesting because you go back

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and I was looking the other day at George Washington's

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farewell address and talking about partisan politics and how dangerous

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it would be and everything he warned us about in

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that speech is today's America.

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Yeah, you're exactly right, And I really, I really think

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it's important for Americans to take a second and think

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about it. Before you answer a post, before you believe

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something that's coming through the news, think about what truth

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is and what righteousness is. Going back to talking about Russia, China,

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Iran posing as Americans, sometimes bots posing as Americans all

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across social media platforms to try to incite violence.

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One thing that's very.

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Interesting to me because I have a family member who

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has told me, oh, we're going to be in civil war.

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This is a leftist family member. We're headed for civil war.

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Well, guess what's coming out of Russia right now, pretending

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to talk as an American telling us that we've got

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to discuss civil wars.

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Civil wars on the rise. So stop for.

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A minute and think about what you're listening to. Actually,

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built during the Reagan administration, the Active Measures Working Group

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was set up to counteract Soviet disinformation.

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That was their sole job.

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We need something like that right now in the Trump administration,

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especially because social media has made it so much easier

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for our enemies to destroy us from within.

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Well. And the fact of the matter is doctor s

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America's great American idea and experiment who's been under attack

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from day one and throughout the period of history almost

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two hundred and fifty years. Now mark it down and

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see there's highs and lows and that sort of thing.

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But we're certainly at a point where those on the

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left and these foreign adversaries, they're licking their chops because

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there's nothing they want more than this great American experiment

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to fail because they look bad, and especially right now

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with the Trump administration and all the great things that

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Donald Trump is doing. I mean, look what happened during

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the Biden years. You know, European nations were approximating they

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were getting closer and closer to GDP significance, closer to

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the America like they've never been before. Here Trump comes

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in and in a couple of months that gap is

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white again. You know.

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Yeah, Trump really went out of his way to right

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some major wrongs Bill, like the tariff situation where Europe's

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markets have not been open to the United States, but

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our markets have been open to them, where we're paying

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heavy tariffs and they're not.

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And it's you know, that's just one example of the

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many rights wrongs that he's begun to run. And it's

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so funny listening to the media talk about how Trump

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is bullying them economic bullying. They called it, you know,

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trying to end this war in Ukraine. It's really amazing

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the narrative.

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And I just want to end with this on this part.

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Something you said made me think of this.

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I mean, for decades, you know, coming out of the

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Soviet Union first, the information that Soviet Union wanted to

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just spread to the West was an anti Western sentiment.

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Right going back to George Washington, you're making me think

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of this. Well, they're really succeeding in that, I know, exponentially.

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In my lifetime anti American sentiment has grown within.

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My own country exactly.

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But what they don't get, Bill, is that this great

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country that you live in is built on the traditions

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and principles and moral values and godly values of Western civilization, right.

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And this is what Charlie Kirk brought to the marketplace.

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It's saying, look at right now, more than ever, we

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cannot have a silent majority. The majority must speak out

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with boldness because you've got the facts. I mean even

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I mean Charlie. You know, he was self taught, and

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one of the things that struck him immediately was this

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is a good country. I live in a great country.

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And when you really look at that, and then you

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start going back and you're going, why is this a

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great country? You look at the foundational principles, the Judeo

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Christian principles on which this country was established, and so

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this started to bring connectivity. And then he's going, Okay,

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here we've got all this deception and going around, where's

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the true north star? Where is the truth of all this?

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And he certifies himself all the more into the Word

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of God, and it elevated his passion encourage in such

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a way that it engaged the young people that had

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been abandoned by the left right.

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Yes.

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In fact, in Virginia, just a few nights ago, they

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had a Tipping Point conference, I guess, down in Blacksburg

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at Virginia Tech, and there were thousands of people.

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Coming in even after it started, right, and.

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You know, they were interviewing young people saying, I really

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didn't listen to Charlie Kirk before, but now I am

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because this is wrong what has happened to him and

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is what is happening to our country.

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So yeah, in a way, it's an encouragement, right.

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I mean, Chris and I were devastated, I mean just

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devastated when Charlie got shot. But you know what, at

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the same time, I came out and I told Chris,

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I said, I am so angry and Chris and I,

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as you know, speak truth and righteousness daily in the public,

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and I am more determined to do it now.

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Bill.

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You know, you get a lot, you have a lot

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of people call you ugly things. I've had universities drop me,

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et cetera, et cetera. I don't care because I'm working

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for God's mission of truth and righteousness.

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You mentioned godly principles.

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That's a lot of the problem with our country. We

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have stopped going to church, stopped reading our Bible. We

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don't teach those things to our children, and you can't.

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You're eventually going to be destroyed.

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with us, sim Bill Martinez. He is Eric Weir, and

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I'm glad we got Eric on with us. Eric's background

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with you know, issues of money. I mean, he's an

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incredible story one that you know, people may on this,

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you know, on the surface, say Eric's not going to

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do this. I mean, may he's gonna be lucky to

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be flipping Hamburgers. But you know this guy, this guy

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figured it out. He's an author of the book Who's

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eating Your Pie? I love this essential financial advice that

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will transform your life. Seriously, lady gentlemen, I mean, Eric

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is so sought after, he's successful, and he's a financial

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advisor and one of the key go to advisors in

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the country. He's that good. And guess what, we get

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to have his brilliance here and he gets to share

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that brilliance with us. So get ready to take notes. Eric,

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Welcome to the show. Good to have you with us.

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I'm so glad to be here, bing, thank you so

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very much.

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Well, you know, the first thing here, you know, the

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economy definitely is is changing. There's a light at the

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end of the tunnel. But you know, I say that

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we live in a microwave generation that once everything measured

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in seconds. We forget the fact that the economy was

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devastated through four years of bad policy and even eight

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years of bad policy before a four year break with Trump.

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And what's happened I in my assessment, is that has

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given rise, particularly the last four years, given rise to

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the young people who have been devastated by the economy

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that looks like I guess for the first time that

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they're not going to live any better, you know, better

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off than their parents did the affordably. Affordability issue is key,

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and so now these kids are looking to would be

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mayor in New York who is promoting social ideas and

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thinking that could be a viable alternative. And we're saying,

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look at wait, wait, wait, don't don't fire it yet.

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You know, you've got to take a look. There are

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some positive signs that are taking place, but you know,

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maybe you can help them understand. You know what you're

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seeing as an economist.

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Well, I mean, we've had a tremendous amount of change.

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I mean, the housing inflation has been more than double

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that over the last fifty years of wage inflation, meaning

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your cost of your home has gone up twice the

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rate of what most people's wages have gone up. So

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it's been a dramatic change. Of food costs have gone

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up substantially. And you're experiencing a widening or of two economies,

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the luxury economy where people who own real estate, stocks, cryptocurrencies,

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they're all inflating with the devalue of the dollar. People

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who are not in the position to own assets currently

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are being burdened and hurt by that devaluing of the dollar.

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When it goes back to socialism. If you look at

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home ownership rates of socialistic countries, there's no comparison. Which

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you end up seeing are two to three generations of

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families will live in the same house. That's very common

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due to the costs and the things that associated with that.

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The US is one of the few countries where the

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home ownership was a dream and a goal, and it's

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a little more out of reach in to US, but

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it's still within reach of many people. And the interest

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rate cut of that was happening with two more will

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further make that more accessible to a larger population.

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Yeah, I've seen, particularly in the mortgage industry, that it's

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almost like it's constipated, is what I say, Eric, Because

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it's just all blocked up right now, and we need

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to get it moving. And I guess one of the

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things the keys I'm looking to do, and it seems

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like you're doing the same thing, is mortgage rates. When

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we can get the FED to cooperate and understand that

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it's not a partisan deal, it's just it's a human deal.

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It's an American idea deal, and let's we're on the

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same team here. What we're trying to accomplish.

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Right every half a point only benefits the US economy.

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They save over one hundred billion dollars of interest expense

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on the federal government's debts. So the biggest benefactor of

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reduced interest rates are the US taxpayer and the US

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government as the largest borrower, and the impacts their rates.

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So if you think about that, this is great for

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the economy. Individuals can buy homes. That creates jobs, and

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the tariffs that we've seen, and we see some of

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the policy of all the companies announcing they're moving to

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American building factors will create more and more jobs and

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more and more prosperity for America.

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Well, as you mentioned, these outside entities, businesses, individuals, they

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see as Trump says that America's hot, it's got some uh,

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you know, you got some problems, you know, whether it's

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Powell and others, I think someone you know that are

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so partisan that they don't want Trump to succeed, so

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they speak as naysayers. And you know, you're a business guy,

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you understand you won't have anybody on your team that's

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going to be sticking a stick in your spokes as

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you're trying to get the team all together and go

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rolling down the hill here with some momentum.

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Right, yeah, one hundred percent and some different politics. They

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just they just can't stand for it on another side

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to get in any credit at all. But we're seeing remarkable.

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I mean, if you think about the hundreds of billions

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even trillions of dollars coming back to America, it's unprecedented. Yes,

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if you look at the negotiations and who's gotten at

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the table to negotiate and make you know, massive change,

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it's unprecedented. And it's because he's not going the political process.

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He's going direct to the leaders, and he's approaching as

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a business person as a politician, not rallyings, port meeting.

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And I think the biggest difference between he governs and

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how others govern is he governs more like a CEO,

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where he's exactly where he's anticipatory not reactionary. That's a

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big difference. It's like driving out of the rearview mirror.

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When you're reactionary, you know how things were. And the

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Fed's the same way. The Fed's tools are reactionary. They

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look for reports to come out that are, you know,

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three months, six months old, and then make decisions based

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on data. What Trump is doing like a CEO is says, hey,

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I see this is happening, This is coming down the road,

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there's clouds in the sky, is going to rain.

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Anticipated And that's the biggest difference. And I think that's

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what we're seeing, the convergence of anticipatory versus reactionary governance.

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Well, and Trump is also one like you know, and

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I've said all along, we needed a real CEO. You know,

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I thought for a while there, you know, several decades

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ago when Ross Perot came on the scene, he was

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a true CEO, and I thought, hey, this could have

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some potential here. Unfortunately he didn't have enough to bring

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it home. But still, uh, you know, I think it

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got people to think. But then you had people came in,

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especially Barack Obama, who had no clue whatsoever. He operated

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straight out of the you know, college, the university think

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tanks of the coffee room and the faculty lounge, and

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operated out of that theory, had no practical experience and

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in his own mind Eric, which you know, for us

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as business people, we're always you know, reaching, you know,

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reaching for the stars, right, we're not thinking, oh, well,

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you know the GDP best you're going to do is

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one point eight and he laughed at Trump. He says,

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what are you talking about three percent? You're not gonna

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you know, it's one. You're gonna be lucky to hit

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two percent. There's no way. Well, Trump wouldn't have anything, right.

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It's common. Yeah, the US is the US can grow,

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and you can. I think people don't understand you can't

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have growth without an inflationary environment, you know, So I

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think they confused growth within And what you'll see is

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that the numbers were impacted because a lot of consumers

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moved from services to hard assets, bought cars, bought parts

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this last time. And at the same time, the imports

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were decreased, So that creates a relative growth for the

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US economies who have bought fewer foreign goods. So US

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goods were being purchased US exactly what he said would

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happen if we have if we have tariffs. And what's

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interesting in the terriffs, if you look at the twenty

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year tariff history, we've been tariffing China two to three percent.

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They've tariffed US between ten and twenty five percent. So

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it's been we we just trade the same goods sometimes

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three to ten times a tiff rate. He says, look,

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you teariffy me five all terif you let's just be fair,

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and it's reframed the entire it's just reframing the whole

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colomy very quickly.

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How come the left doesn't understand that, Eric? Are they

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just so ideologically fixed that they have no capacity whatsoever

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to see how the game's played? I mean, because to

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me is this that's just basic math, right, I mean,

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you don't have to go into calculus or have a

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degree in trigonometry or anything like that.

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I think America, and this is what I think where

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Trump finds frustrating, didn't take advantage of their power when

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they could have. Where there's not another country in the

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world that says, hey, we're China. If you don't play

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our way, we're gonna you can't sell semiconductors in our

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country anymore. And that hurts people. Come around, every other

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government puts their own interest first. We were the only

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government of our size that tried to put other people's

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interests first. And that's fine when you're leading the home,

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taking care of your wife and kids and stuff like that.

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ourselves be treffed five times? What another country is Tarif

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and US it's not a good position. I think they

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try to help emerging countries grow and then when they

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get to be similar size or are, they're off their feet.

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They should have rethought the agreements and that they never did.

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We're back with you. Bill Martinez here with Eric Wheer.

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He's the author of the book Who's Eating Your Pie?

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Essential financial advice That's going to transform your life. He's

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one of the most successful and sought after financial advisors

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in the country, and lucky us, he's on with us

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right now to break it down for us well. The

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Bureau of Economic Analysis ERIC last week released its third

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and final estimate of second quarter GDP. America looking pretty good.

523
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It's looking strong, and I'm not surprised by it, but

524
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it's looking strong, and I think we have more good

525
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news on the horizon.

526
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Now, what gives you that optimistic forecast?

527
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There are so many things with America. I'll give you

528
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three points that I really like. Point Number one is

529
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jobs are coming back to America. What I mean by

530
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that is factories are relocating people who sell, you know,

531
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like BMW in South Carolina is announcing more and more

532
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investment in South Carolina offshore in companies are moving onshore

533
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to eliminate tariffs and also accustomed to distribution costs. Number

534
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number two, where we have a very highly efficient workforce

535
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around the world, work together, very hard working. Where those

536
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herd working workforce, they want to realize that. At number three,

537
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we're still the technology to development center of the world.

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And if you look at all the companies that are

539
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involved in AI and approxy, ninety percent of them are

540
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within a forty mile circle of downtown San Francisco. Now

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00:29:34.119 --> 00:29:36.440
that'll change over time and they'll migrate and move out

542
00:29:36.480 --> 00:29:39.400
and around, but that's huge in which you're seeing happening

543
00:29:39.400 --> 00:29:42.839
with AI and technology. If you're looking at an ASML,

544
00:29:43.000 --> 00:29:45.920
you look at Nvidia or AMD or Micron, chip sales

545
00:29:45.920 --> 00:29:49.960
are growing substantially. Oracle reported record earnings and see their

546
00:29:50.000 --> 00:29:53.200
their profits going up many, many fold over the next

547
00:29:53.200 --> 00:29:55.599
five years due to AI and just due to all

548
00:29:55.680 --> 00:29:58.640
that's happening with the demand for data and energy.

549
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And of course, speaking of which the energy sector drives

550
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all that, doesn't.

551
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It hundred percent? Energy is are really something needs to

552
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be considered taken seriously because the amount of energy required

553
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to fund the power AI or even like a query

554
00:30:13.960 --> 00:30:17.000
on chat GPT versus Google as many times over.

555
00:30:17.319 --> 00:30:19.720
Well, Trump said, drill, baby drill, Where are we on that?

556
00:30:20.599 --> 00:30:22.559
I think it's starting, but I think it's I don't

557
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think there's any one particular way that will be The

558
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resolution resolution drill, baby drill is part of it. I

559
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think a pipeline, because we're working in that area. We

560
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can also look at solar and wind. But the change

561
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of consumption patterns for electricity and energy as a whole

562
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is going to grow exponentially much faster than we seen before.

563
00:30:44.039 --> 00:30:47.079
Worldwide economic demand for energy was one to one point

564
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one percent for twenty years. You could take it to

565
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the bank. It's going to increase substantially above that due

566
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to what we're seeking to do with AI and with

567
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the demands that technology is placing upon the energy grid.

568
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Well, during Trump's first administration, uh, the Obama administration did

569
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a lot to stifle the productivity of our you know,

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our work or our employees. And I felt that there

571
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was a lot of pent up energy. And when Trump

572
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came in, he opened up the gates and set the

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employees free, and uh, and it just came, I mean,

574
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it just flew out the door because the people were

575
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excited about getting back to work and being productive. I

576
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kind of feel like where we're at right now, it's

577
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almost the same thing. And all these sectors, you've got

578
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all this pent up force that's just waiting to bust out,

579
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and it's it's slowly but surely coming out. And hatching

580
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out of the egg a little bit. But being you know,

581
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the Americans that we are, we wanted like yesterday. But

582
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you know, I'm I'm like you, I'm seeing the eggshell

583
00:31:50.319 --> 00:31:53.559
cracking and this pent up energy and all these sectors

584
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getting ready to explode. Where it's going to be, you know,

585
00:31:56.400 --> 00:31:57.839
Katie bar the door here, right.

586
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I think some of the stakes and previous administrations where

587
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they imagine we have a bus route and we're trying

588
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to solicit and get more bus routes, and instead of

589
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getting bigger buses, we get like ten passenger vans, and

590
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then that's kind of what happened when they were doing

591
00:32:14.000 --> 00:32:16.680
everything with the energy, they're cramping it. So we're growing,

592
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we're attracting thei we're attracting technology. We have a wonderful

593
00:32:20.480 --> 00:32:22.839
educational system in America, and people want to move here.

594
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It's still a great place to build wealth, great place

595
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to have freedom, and you have all that, but then

596
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your infrastructure gets a little behind. And that's where we

597
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have to really move it. Move really aggressively in infrastructure,

598
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and the administration recognizes that and we're taking steps to

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do that well.

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And that's the thing when you think about America, how

601
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we're positioned and the Constitution and what our founders have

602
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given us is that you know, though it's not perfect

603
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him and we wish we didn't have, you know, these

604
00:32:51.839 --> 00:32:55.759
antagonists that are involved, but regardless, I mean, there's enough

605
00:32:56.039 --> 00:32:59.720
push and momentum from people that want to realize this

606
00:32:59.720 --> 00:33:02.240
dire aim in this vision that will make it work.

607
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I mean, it would work faster if they were in agreement.

608
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But you know, hey, be that as it may, it's

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going to happen. And I think that they're kind of

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realizing that this tsunami of energy that's right there and

611
00:33:12.799 --> 00:33:16.799
I'm talking about human energy that is getting ready to explode,

612
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that there's there's nothing, there's gonna there's nothing they can

613
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do about it, and uh and it will, it will,

614
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you know, it will happen. I believe it's inevitable.

615
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One hundred percent. I couldn't agree with them more. And America,

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I think it's going to have a super cycle of

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prosperity and growth that has not been seen since World

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War Two ended. If you look back at what happened

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with economic growth and prosperity and after the end of

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World War Two, it was remarkable and I think we're

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going to see something along those lines in the near future.

622
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Well, Trump has been talking about the Golden Age of America.

623
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I think he needs to keep pounding that drum beat

624
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because I think we're getting we're getting closer and closer.

625
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And uh, you know the report about the economy growing

626
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faster than expected. I mean a lot of things about

627
00:34:01.720 --> 00:34:04.440
the economy are going to be faster than expected. Because

628
00:34:04.480 --> 00:34:07.160
you have those people that want to be an anchor,

629
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they want to drag they it's almost like they're rooting

630
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against us. Eric.

631
00:34:11.039 --> 00:34:15.800
Well, they you know, you know so so people they

632
00:34:15.800 --> 00:34:18.920
don't like change usually and if the change happens and

633
00:34:18.960 --> 00:34:21.760
it's positive, that they kind of want to credit. And

634
00:34:21.880 --> 00:34:24.800
I can't imagine when you spend all your energy saying

635
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if Trump's president, the stock Market's going to go down

636
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by fifty percent. If Trump's president, They're going to be

637
00:34:29.840 --> 00:34:32.159
riots in the street if Trump's president. You know, you

638
00:34:32.199 --> 00:34:34.800
have all these terrible things that are happening, and it's

639
00:34:34.800 --> 00:34:36.599
actually hasn't turned out that way.

640
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Not one thing, not one thing that you mentioned, has happened.

641
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Right, That's right. The star market's taking you highs. The

642
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other party who views himself as more progressive. I mean

643
00:34:47.519 --> 00:34:50.559
Trump came in and he's he's leaning into cryptocurrencies. The

644
00:34:50.559 --> 00:34:54.639
other party, despite saying they're progressive, was not really moving

645
00:34:54.679 --> 00:34:57.679
that direction. He's moving into individual freedoms, he's moving into

646
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bringing for tax reductions, moving into helping the senior citizens

647
00:35:02.519 --> 00:35:05.159
with the Big Beauty Bill not pay taxes on their

648
00:35:05.400 --> 00:35:08.559
Social Security until us a higher, much higher level. So

649
00:35:08.719 --> 00:35:12.639
he's addressing the the obvious need for the middle class

650
00:35:12.840 --> 00:35:16.840
and for people and seniors, not just create an opportunity

651
00:35:17.000 --> 00:35:20.360
for the upper end, is alleged. He's the first person

652
00:35:20.400 --> 00:35:23.639
to me all these changes could have happened in previous administration.

653
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They could have well, they sat on they set on

654
00:35:26.360 --> 00:35:29.880
all that, whether it was crypto or AI, this technology,

655
00:35:29.920 --> 00:35:32.880
the infrastructure. They got money for infrastructure, and what did

656
00:35:32.880 --> 00:35:36.760
they give us. They gave us eight eight charging stations

657
00:35:37.079 --> 00:35:39.639
for eight billion dollars and I think only two are

658
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working right right.

659
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It was a it was a incrimpinal mismanagement, you know.

660
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But at the same time, we're here, and I think

661
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that I think that that if they would recognize the positives,

662
00:35:49.639 --> 00:35:52.480
they're always going to have ideological and philosophical differences, and

663
00:35:52.519 --> 00:35:56.440
that's to be expected. But the economic items and helping

664
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you know, middle class and how can we do that

665
00:35:59.360 --> 00:36:01.119
should be a lot of alignment in those.

666
00:36:01.000 --> 00:36:04.960
Areas right well, you know, for the you know you

667
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mentioned earlier that you have people in the upper part

668
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of the economy, the higher class part of people. They're

669
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doing well. They've got assets, things that they're all they're

670
00:36:19.280 --> 00:36:22.599
operating on all cylinders right now. They're perfectly aligned with

671
00:36:22.880 --> 00:36:25.679
how the economy is breaking out, and God bless them,

672
00:36:25.679 --> 00:36:28.639
good for them. But you know, how about for the

673
00:36:28.800 --> 00:36:32.039
everyday citizen that is not as healed as they are,

674
00:36:32.440 --> 00:36:36.519
that have just been living paycheck to paycheck, what do

675
00:36:36.559 --> 00:36:38.920
you recommend for them, Eric, so that they can more

676
00:36:38.960 --> 00:36:42.079
than survive and even thrive and take advantage of what's

677
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around the corner here.

678
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Yeah, I asked people to reimagine and re envision their life,

679
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and I think what happened My first chapter of my

680
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books called Permission to Dream. And it's really different for

681
00:36:52.119 --> 00:36:54.679
each person, you know. But I met a guy who

682
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went through bankruptcy and he was a real estate agent

683
00:36:57.559 --> 00:36:59.480
in twenty ten, and I said, if he couldn't fail,

684
00:36:59.519 --> 00:37:00.960
what would you do? He said, I would buy this

685
00:37:01.000 --> 00:37:03.760
textile mill. I said, why would you buy He says, well,

686
00:37:03.760 --> 00:37:07.039
the copper. Would you know the brick? It's worth more

687
00:37:07.039 --> 00:37:08.440
than the mill. Why haven't you in it already? I

688
00:37:08.440 --> 00:37:10.440
didn't have the money. It's a long story. Short, you

689
00:37:10.519 --> 00:37:12.599
made an offer. He ended up using the people who

690
00:37:12.599 --> 00:37:15.599
would buy the copper and steal as the funding source

691
00:37:16.039 --> 00:37:18.440
and made more than four excess money in ninety days

692
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because he just reframed the situation. Right, I don't have

693
00:37:21.880 --> 00:37:23.760
the money, but if you get the clarity, you can

694
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attract money or resources. So everybody's got something reframe it.

695
00:37:27.960 --> 00:37:31.920
We're all blended by familiarity, and sometimes the options aren't

696
00:37:31.960 --> 00:37:34.039
just overtime or not over time. There might be other

697
00:37:34.079 --> 00:37:37.400
options you haven't considered that I could do to increase

698
00:37:37.480 --> 00:37:40.559
my income. Aren't change my consumption patterns. But it's just

699
00:37:40.679 --> 00:37:44.280
a point of reflection and taking time and having simple

700
00:37:44.320 --> 00:37:47.639
tools that are time tested to evaluate and talk about

701
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that in the first three chapters of my book.

702
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Well that's great, and then okay, so what else do

703
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we do? I mean, I love I love that. I

704
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love that, you know, dreaming again, I mean, that's that's

705
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where it all begins. And the thing is this is

706
00:38:00.239 --> 00:38:02.639
we're dreaming anyway right. A lot of times I'll talk

707
00:38:02.679 --> 00:38:03.960
to people and I say, well, wakes you up at

708
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three o'clock in the morning. Boy, They'll give you a

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00:38:05.960 --> 00:38:07.679
chapter in verse, won't they?

710
00:38:07.920 --> 00:38:10.679
They really will. And it's as simple. I mean, this

711
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is a may seem silly, but people may change for

712
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two reasons, out of desperation or out of inspiration. And

713
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I've obviously seen a lot more change come out of

714
00:38:21.039 --> 00:38:25.360
desperation than inspiration. So another example is a woman that

715
00:38:25.599 --> 00:38:29.320
founded a company in San Francisco. Her husband left her

716
00:38:29.360 --> 00:38:32.880
with four children, she had no job skills. She bought

717
00:38:32.920 --> 00:38:35.599
furniture at the garage sales for fifteen dollars and sold

718
00:38:35.599 --> 00:38:38.119
it for four hundred the next week because she'd painted

719
00:38:38.440 --> 00:38:40.559
white and she had said it and her kids had

720
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beat it with a chain. It became a company. Cul

721
00:38:42.280 --> 00:38:45.920
she shabby chic, But there's always something you can do.

722
00:38:46.639 --> 00:38:49.920
Another friend of mine that I met with detail cars.

723
00:38:50.000 --> 00:38:52.480
I said, well, why are you detailing cars? Detail airplanes?

724
00:38:52.960 --> 00:38:55.000
He went from charging one hundred and fifty dollars to

725
00:38:55.079 --> 00:38:57.760
two thousand dollars And it doesn't take much longer and

726
00:38:57.800 --> 00:39:00.239
he's doing the same skill set. There's always a way

727
00:39:00.280 --> 00:39:03.519
to make a change. But we have to reimagine, reframe,

728
00:39:03.599 --> 00:39:06.480
take a step back, and remove their limiting thoughts, which

729
00:39:06.519 --> 00:39:08.440
are usually their self created.

730
00:39:09.039 --> 00:39:12.199
So in your book Who's eating Your Pie, sometimes it's

731
00:39:12.239 --> 00:39:16.559
not somebody else. It's just your own imagination eating experience.

732
00:39:16.679 --> 00:39:19.960
Personally speaking, it's mainly me, right, So I look at

733
00:39:20.159 --> 00:39:22.159
when I look at who's holding me back, it's usually

734
00:39:22.199 --> 00:39:24.480
looking back at me at the mirror. Because I may

735
00:39:24.480 --> 00:39:26.880
have fears, I may have inhibitions, I may be believe

736
00:39:26.960 --> 00:39:29.360
lies like you'll never mount anything, or you're just like

737
00:39:29.400 --> 00:39:33.920
your father or whatever. People here we're conditioned, and I've

738
00:39:33.960 --> 00:39:36.559
certainly battled my fair share of that. And that's where

739
00:39:36.599 --> 00:39:39.800
I'm coming from, experience of somebody who's seen their family

740
00:39:39.880 --> 00:39:42.159
go through bankruptcy as a kid. I've lived in a

741
00:39:42.320 --> 00:39:46.119
U haul, I've done sofa surfing, and I've also done well.

742
00:39:46.199 --> 00:39:48.519
But I learned lessons through those periods of time, and

743
00:39:48.559 --> 00:39:50.039
I wanted to share those other people.

744
00:39:50.559 --> 00:39:52.679
Well, get your hands on his book, Ladies and gentlemen,

745
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Who's Eating Your Pie? Be inspired, dream you dreams, and

746
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reimagine some things, because you know, America's Golden Age, I

747
00:40:02.239 --> 00:40:04.480
believe is right around the corner. The light is on

748
00:40:04.599 --> 00:40:08.599
and guess what. It's not a train coming at us right,

749
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as they would say, Eric, right.

750
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White, Sime, it is not a train. Yeah, yeah, this is.

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There's never been a time to be more optimistic about

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the future than right now. And there are many people

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that are reluctant with AI but learning this you know

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Yeah you mentioned that, Eric Ware, Thank you appreciate the time.

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thirty six. Getting America back on track.

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Bill Martinez Live.

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Six minutes after the top of the hour. Good morning America,

783
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Bill Martinez here with that. George Barna, Doctor George, how are.

784
00:42:02.840 --> 00:42:04.000
You doing well?

785
00:42:04.119 --> 00:42:06.599
Good toes email If things calm down there in the

786
00:42:06.639 --> 00:42:10.920
neighborhood after all the festivities the memorial, I mean, when

787
00:42:11.000 --> 00:42:12.880
was the last time you saw so many people go

788
00:42:12.920 --> 00:42:16.000
to a church service that lasted over four hours? Georgia?

789
00:42:16.920 --> 00:42:20.840
Uh, yeah, yeah, and it wasn't a black congregation, so

790
00:42:22.400 --> 00:42:24.840
you know, I recently got back from Africa. That's fairly

791
00:42:24.920 --> 00:42:30.199
common over there, but it's here, so yeah, that's that

792
00:42:30.480 --> 00:42:31.440
was a heck of a day.

793
00:42:32.239 --> 00:42:34.519
Yeah, with with without a doubt. And for some people,

794
00:42:34.679 --> 00:42:36.880
you know, they were they were in line, they were

795
00:42:36.920 --> 00:42:39.039
cued up at two o'clock in the morning, you know,

796
00:42:39.079 --> 00:42:41.199
to make sure that they got a seat, and they

797
00:42:41.239 --> 00:42:45.440
turned away thousands, uh, because there just wasn't enough room

798
00:42:45.480 --> 00:42:47.920
at the end. But you know, it's a I think

799
00:42:47.960 --> 00:42:51.239
we're still looking to hear the numbers of actual viewers

800
00:42:51.239 --> 00:42:53.880
they had. But no doubt when you think about, uh,

801
00:42:55.039 --> 00:42:56.920
you know, God said there's going to be that time

802
00:42:57.239 --> 00:42:59.519
when the Gospel goes out to all the ends of

803
00:42:59.559 --> 00:43:02.639
the earth. And I think we got pretty close here, George.

804
00:43:03.119 --> 00:43:05.400
And you know, the thing that I was thinking about

805
00:43:05.480 --> 00:43:08.599
last week was why would the Lord take Charlie now

806
00:43:09.199 --> 00:43:13.119
or allow him to be taken? Because his ministry was growing,

807
00:43:13.199 --> 00:43:15.519
it was flourishing, it was reaching more and more people.

808
00:43:15.519 --> 00:43:18.840
It's like, why would you take somebody then? And I

809
00:43:18.840 --> 00:43:20.920
don't know if this is right, but it occurred to me, Well,

810
00:43:20.960 --> 00:43:24.280
the Lord knows all, he can see all, and so

811
00:43:24.639 --> 00:43:29.519
it must mean that he realized by Charlie being murdered

812
00:43:29.679 --> 00:43:33.440
at that time, this time, it would have a greater

813
00:43:33.559 --> 00:43:37.239
impact than all the coming forty years or so of

814
00:43:37.480 --> 00:43:41.159
Charlie's ministry combined, and now his wife and others will

815
00:43:41.199 --> 00:43:44.159
be able to pick up that you know, baton and

816
00:43:44.519 --> 00:43:47.639
keep running the race for him. But yeah, I mean

817
00:43:47.679 --> 00:43:52.000
it's I just think we've been talking about renewal and

818
00:43:52.079 --> 00:43:57.039
revival for so many years and it's always kind of

819
00:43:57.079 --> 00:44:00.519
petered out. I think this may be a difference situation

820
00:44:00.639 --> 00:44:03.920
because of the nature of the dynamics of who was taken,

821
00:44:04.039 --> 00:44:07.239
how he was taken, and how the church has responded.

822
00:44:08.199 --> 00:44:09.880
And you bring up something here, and that is that

823
00:44:10.280 --> 00:44:14.400
sometimes people underestimate the price of revival. And you and

824
00:44:14.440 --> 00:44:16.679
I talked about this before, is that people are quick

825
00:44:16.679 --> 00:44:19.199
to talk about revival and going are you ready for this?

826
00:44:19.920 --> 00:44:23.480
I mean you're talking, Hey, we got to put it

827
00:44:23.519 --> 00:44:26.679
all down the line and understand that we've all fallen

828
00:44:26.760 --> 00:44:29.360
short of the glory of God. What does that mean? Well,

829
00:44:29.400 --> 00:44:32.400
what does it mean to be sinful? Well, when you

830
00:44:33.280 --> 00:44:36.639
come face to face with the glory of God, then

831
00:44:36.679 --> 00:44:39.880
you're like Isaiah God, I'm toast right.

832
00:44:40.559 --> 00:44:45.039
Yeah, And last week I wrote an article about all

833
00:44:45.079 --> 00:44:48.800
of this, saying, man, we've been praying and waiting for

834
00:44:48.920 --> 00:44:52.199
revival and now we've got a lot of people interested,

835
00:44:52.440 --> 00:44:55.199
but it could be just like September eleventh.

836
00:44:55.360 --> 00:44:57.519
That's what I'm afraid of, exactly. I'm glad you brought

837
00:44:57.519 --> 00:44:57.840
that up.

838
00:44:57.880 --> 00:45:00.320
Go ahead, yeah, because when we did the re search

839
00:45:00.440 --> 00:45:02.920
back then two thousand and one, and we were looking

840
00:45:02.920 --> 00:45:06.480
at what happened right after the attacks, churches were flooded.

841
00:45:06.519 --> 00:45:09.760
They couldn't hold all the people. There was such fear

842
00:45:09.800 --> 00:45:14.000
and anxiety and doubt and questioning and hope and all

843
00:45:14.159 --> 00:45:16.880
kinds of emotions, and people were coming there to say, Okay,

844
00:45:16.880 --> 00:45:17.960
what do I make of all this?

845
00:45:18.199 --> 00:45:18.760
Exactly?

846
00:45:18.840 --> 00:45:22.960
And after six weeks started at about the four week mark,

847
00:45:23.360 --> 00:45:26.719
started to tail off, and after six weeks we were

848
00:45:26.800 --> 00:45:29.559
back at pre attack levels, and right after that we

849
00:45:29.559 --> 00:45:32.880
were actually a little bit lower. So my fear here

850
00:45:33.159 --> 00:45:36.519
is that we did not learn the lesson about what

851
00:45:36.679 --> 00:45:40.719
it takes to actually have revival, which is that once

852
00:45:40.760 --> 00:45:43.639
we pique people's interest in the Holy Spirit, does something

853
00:45:43.639 --> 00:45:47.400
to get people interested on coming on board. It's not

854
00:45:47.639 --> 00:45:49.400
just well, great, we'll open up the doors and do

855
00:45:49.519 --> 00:45:52.599
business as usual. There's got to be a whole different

856
00:45:52.639 --> 00:45:56.039
approach the church in America. For the last at least

857
00:45:56.079 --> 00:45:59.280
forty years that I've been researching, it really has not

858
00:45:59.679 --> 00:46:03.639
been about making disciples. And I think that's why when

859
00:46:03.679 --> 00:46:06.960
we've had these moments in time where the Holy Spirit

860
00:46:07.039 --> 00:46:10.159
stirs something and people say, yeah, help me, Lord, you

861
00:46:10.199 --> 00:46:12.360
know who are you, Where are you, what are you?

862
00:46:12.480 --> 00:46:15.960
What are you doing? We're not there to come alongside

863
00:46:16.000 --> 00:46:19.679
these people and guide them through the process, much like

864
00:46:19.760 --> 00:46:22.679
Philip did with the Ethiopian eunuch. I mean, there's got

865
00:46:22.719 --> 00:46:26.039
to be somebody there to explain it to them. That's

866
00:46:26.079 --> 00:46:28.480
what the eunuch was saying, Who would explain this to me?

867
00:46:28.800 --> 00:46:30.760
And so Philip went on the ride with them. That's

868
00:46:30.760 --> 00:46:32.639
what we've got to do. We've got to get on

869
00:46:32.679 --> 00:46:36.719
the ride with them and accompany them through this process

870
00:46:37.159 --> 00:46:40.320
of understanding who God is, who Jesus was, why he died,

871
00:46:40.920 --> 00:46:45.719
what our sin means, what salvation's about, what a disciple is,

872
00:46:45.840 --> 00:46:48.840
what that life looks like, what it takes to maintain

873
00:46:48.920 --> 00:46:52.360
that over time, what the community of believers is about.

874
00:46:52.480 --> 00:46:55.400
I mean, there's so many things that have to be unpacked.

875
00:46:55.800 --> 00:46:58.119
It's not just enough to have him come in, say

876
00:46:58.159 --> 00:47:00.360
the prayer, and walk out the back door and say

877
00:47:00.800 --> 00:47:03.840
job well done. It's not a job well done. We've

878
00:47:03.880 --> 00:47:07.719
probably done those people a greater disservice because at that

879
00:47:07.880 --> 00:47:10.960
point they think they got all the goods. Why wouldn't

880
00:47:10.960 --> 00:47:14.679
the Christians have told me everything, shown me, everything, delivered

881
00:47:14.719 --> 00:47:17.760
everything that I needed at that moment in time. Why

882
00:47:17.800 --> 00:47:21.960
would they leave me a half baked spiritual being and

883
00:47:22.280 --> 00:47:24.960
feel like they did the job and everything's fine. So

884
00:47:25.079 --> 00:47:27.719
that's my big fear for this moment in time for

885
00:47:27.800 --> 00:47:28.400
the church here.

886
00:47:28.920 --> 00:47:30.840
I share that with you, and we've been talking about

887
00:47:30.840 --> 00:47:32.920
it on our show as well, because I've put it

888
00:47:32.920 --> 00:47:35.639
in the context of branding. You know, what's the brand

889
00:47:35.639 --> 00:47:38.960
of your church? Is it consistent with a biblical worldview

890
00:47:38.960 --> 00:47:41.440
that you and I've been talking about what George ever

891
00:47:41.480 --> 00:47:43.679
since you and I met, I mean, you know, it's

892
00:47:43.800 --> 00:47:47.960
like fifteen seventeen years now, and we've been beating this drum,

893
00:47:48.400 --> 00:47:52.719
and I just see that, just as Charlie saw that

894
00:47:53.199 --> 00:48:00.000
the whole process and and everything involved with a person

895
00:48:00.280 --> 00:48:03.280
life made in the image of God and the higher

896
00:48:03.360 --> 00:48:06.519
calling for each one of us was freedom that is

897
00:48:06.599 --> 00:48:10.400
God guaranteed. But away from God you lose the guarantee.

898
00:48:10.400 --> 00:48:11.960
The warranty expires.

899
00:48:11.559 --> 00:48:15.880
Right, Yeah, absolutely, But how many churches would you hear

900
00:48:15.920 --> 00:48:19.119
that in? I mean, think about the COVID era where

901
00:48:19.239 --> 00:48:22.840
churches were not only willing to close, but then when

902
00:48:22.880 --> 00:48:25.840
they opened up, there really wasn't any discussion about what

903
00:48:25.880 --> 00:48:30.480
freedom means, what freedom takes, you know, what our responsibility

904
00:48:30.639 --> 00:48:33.920
is in that process, why God wants us to be free,

905
00:48:34.280 --> 00:48:37.000
what it looks like. So, I mean, those weren't the

906
00:48:37.039 --> 00:48:41.159
conversations that were taking place. I'm privileged to go to

907
00:48:41.920 --> 00:48:43.880
the church where Rob McCoy was pastor. He was the

908
00:48:43.880 --> 00:48:47.800
guy that opened up the memorial service yesterday and Charlie

909
00:48:47.880 --> 00:48:51.039
you know, call Rob his pastor and Master Arli would

910
00:48:51.039 --> 00:48:54.280
come and speak at our church sometimes, but you know,

911
00:48:54.320 --> 00:48:56.960
I mean Rob would talk about that all the time

912
00:48:57.400 --> 00:49:00.519
because he understood this is the nature of the times.

913
00:49:00.559 --> 00:49:02.920
You have to understand the times and know what exactly

914
00:49:03.159 --> 00:49:06.679
like the Brothers is a car exact absolutely yes. But

915
00:49:06.800 --> 00:49:09.079
there were very few churches like that. There were some,

916
00:49:09.239 --> 00:49:12.440
and God bless them, and you know they exploded. They

917
00:49:12.440 --> 00:49:16.039
did great because people were hearing something that wasn't tickling

918
00:49:16.079 --> 00:49:19.800
their ears, it was challenging their souls. And that's what

919
00:49:19.840 --> 00:49:22.039
we need now is pastors who are going to stand

920
00:49:22.079 --> 00:49:24.480
there and challenge us to say, you know, it's not

921
00:49:24.599 --> 00:49:27.360
my job as the pastor to bring these people in

922
00:49:27.400 --> 00:49:29.960
and to do all the work of you know, justification

923
00:49:30.039 --> 00:49:33.760
and sanctification in their lives. It's us as a community.

924
00:49:33.840 --> 00:49:36.920
That's why we're a community. We do this together. And

925
00:49:37.000 --> 00:49:41.320
so anyone who's a disciple, Wow, this is an exciting time.

926
00:49:41.719 --> 00:49:44.440
You know, I asked them. Based on our research, only

927
00:49:44.480 --> 00:49:48.000
three percent of adults in America fit the criteria Jesus

928
00:49:48.000 --> 00:49:52.320
gave us for being disciples. That three percent, now, is

929
00:49:52.719 --> 00:49:56.920
is the hinge point about the for the future of America.

930
00:49:57.559 --> 00:50:01.440
If we actually serve the Kingdom of God God appropriately

931
00:50:01.840 --> 00:50:05.840
during this point in time, America will survive, America will thrive.

932
00:50:06.280 --> 00:50:08.480
If we don't, America's in trouble.

933
00:50:09.159 --> 00:50:11.639
Well, we've been in trouble for a long time. And

934
00:50:12.400 --> 00:50:18.719
you know we're down to that conversation between Abraham and

935
00:50:18.760 --> 00:50:21.559
the Spirit of God in saving you know, is there

936
00:50:21.599 --> 00:50:25.559
a possibility to save Sodom and Gomorrah? You know, how

937
00:50:25.559 --> 00:50:27.840
about if you find fifty, if you find forty, if

938
00:50:27.840 --> 00:50:30.280
you find you know, all the way down to five, right,

939
00:50:30.840 --> 00:50:35.480
and we're the numbers are getting less and less. By

940
00:50:35.480 --> 00:50:38.920
God's grace and mercy. You know, we've been given an

941
00:50:38.960 --> 00:50:42.480
opportunity and pray that we don't waste it. I mean,

942
00:50:42.519 --> 00:50:45.159
you know the prophets that came to the children of Israel,

943
00:50:45.760 --> 00:50:48.480
what did they do to the prophets? And you know,

944
00:50:48.519 --> 00:50:50.639
as we know quite clearly. Anyway, we got to go

945
00:50:50.639 --> 00:50:52.960
to quick break. We've got more from doctor George Barne.

946
00:50:53.000 --> 00:50:54.800
After this stay with us.

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We're back with you in nineteen minutes after the top

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of the hour, Bill Martinez here with the one and

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only George Barnack, the director of research at Arizona Christian

1032
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University's Cultural Research Center and the author of Raising Spiritual Champions. George,

1033
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you know you touched on something that is just so

1034
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important here, and that is that this is Jesus's church first, right, second,

1035
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he sent the Holy Spirit to empower the growth and

1036
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maintain that the spiritual dynamic of the church. If I'm

1037
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hearing you correctly, this is my takeaway. Somebody say, Okay,

1038
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you talk to George. What do you say? This is

1039
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my takeaway from one of hearing it is that the churches,

1040
00:56:08.599 --> 00:56:11.559
more than ever have got to seek the Holy Spirit.

1041
00:56:12.039 --> 00:56:14.480
This is a movement of God, you've got to get

1042
00:56:14.519 --> 00:56:17.360
in tune. I see guitars in the background. You know.

1043
00:56:17.400 --> 00:56:19.519
We got to tune up. We got to tune up

1044
00:56:19.559 --> 00:56:22.719
to the you know, to the Holy Spirit. Where are

1045
00:56:22.760 --> 00:56:26.119
you going, Lord, not my will, Your will be done.

1046
00:56:26.119 --> 00:56:27.119
That's what Charlie prayed.

1047
00:56:28.119 --> 00:56:30.800
Yeah, and I think the challenge that we've had for

1048
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the last four decades, again, that's as long as I've

1049
00:56:32.920 --> 00:56:36.800
been measuring it. But during that point of time, we've

1050
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been trying to do it our way, you know, and

1051
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essentially our way is, you know what, we can market

1052
00:56:42.199 --> 00:56:45.199
people into the Kingdom of God. And so we're going

1053
00:56:45.280 --> 00:56:47.960
to figure out what their felt needs are and we're

1054
00:56:47.960 --> 00:56:51.880
going to pander to their felt needs as opposed to recognizing.

1055
00:56:52.119 --> 00:56:54.840
Now let's look at it from God's point of view,

1056
00:56:55.239 --> 00:56:59.719
where sinners in need of a savior. We are we

1057
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people in need of the strength of God, and so

1058
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he'll send the Holy Spirit. We are hopeless without Jesus.

1059
00:57:08.880 --> 00:57:11.880
And that's a message that doesn't flem it.

1060
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You know.

1061
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Recently I wrote an article I was alluding to what

1062
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I thought was a huge eye opening study that PW

1063
00:57:19.519 --> 00:57:22.360
did about six or seven years ago, and they found

1064
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that they did a national sampling of sermons that were

1065
00:57:27.920 --> 00:57:30.679
preached across the country found that only three percent of

1066
00:57:30.719 --> 00:57:37.360
sermons mentioned sin during the course of those sermons. Now,

1067
00:57:37.400 --> 00:57:40.800
when you've got ninety seven out of one hundred spiritual

1068
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outposts in America that refused to diagnose the primary disease

1069
00:57:48.519 --> 00:57:52.960
that's killing every one of us, sin and instead want

1070
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to talk about things that make us happy, make us

1071
00:57:56.400 --> 00:57:59.320
want to come back, make us do all the things

1072
00:57:59.360 --> 00:58:03.000
that are churches tend to look for and count as

1073
00:58:03.039 --> 00:58:05.960
opposed to. No, no, no, no, no. Let's tell the truth

1074
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and let's believe that God's in control enough that he'll

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deal with the consequences of telling the truth. That's ultimately

1076
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what we want, what we need. We're not doing that.

1077
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I'm praying that this is a period of time now

1078
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where we're going to look at how Charlie did business

1079
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for the kingdom, you know, and he went out there

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and he told the truth, and often it wasn't popularly

1081
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paid for that with his life. Are we willing to

1082
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do that? We've got to be willing to say yes, yes,

1083
00:58:33.239 --> 00:58:35.800
we may not be assassinated like he was because we

1084
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don't have a platform he has, but we're going to

1085
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be persecuted. We may lose our jobs, we may lose friends.

1086
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You know, I've lost family members.

1087
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I'm sure.

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Yeah, all kinds of things happen, and so we've got

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to be willing to say, but that's okay. I did

1090
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that in the service of my Lord, and he's going

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to take care of me. He's going to make it

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well with my soul, and that's what I want. That's

1093
00:58:57.000 --> 00:58:58.119
the ultimate job here.

1094
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Why do we miss understand sin so much?

1095
00:59:02.440 --> 00:59:04.719
Well, you know, it's interesting. We've got these two new

1096
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reports out because we do the Worldview research every year

1097
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and one of the things that we're discovering is that

1098
00:59:10.119 --> 00:59:12.679
people don't take sin seriously. So we want to know why.

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And what we found is that there are a lot

1100
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of things that people misunderstand, you know. One is that

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they don't think that humans have a corrupt heart. They

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believe a minority of people believe that human beings have

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a corrupt or wicked heart, as the scripture very clearly states. Instead,

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what we've got is more than seven out of ten

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people who say human beings are basically good, good at heart,

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you know, And so we can and that's why we

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have this thing in our culture and we say, we

1108
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can look inward, you know, we can turn to ourselves

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and we can figure this out. We don't really need

1110
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any help. We've got it. We've got it within us

1111
00:59:53.000 --> 00:59:55.880
to deal with this. And then we've also got this

1112
00:59:56.119 --> 01:00:00.880
thing where we don't understand sin as rebellious and we're

1113
01:00:00.880 --> 01:00:04.199
willing to talk about you know, sin may not be good,

1114
01:00:05.679 --> 01:00:10.159
but we don't believe it's a life changing experience. I mean,

1115
01:00:10.280 --> 01:00:13.000
think about the fact that people would say, well, Sin's

1116
01:00:13.119 --> 01:00:15.519
not that big a deal. It won't change your life.

1117
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You know, maybe you could have done something better, to

1118
01:00:19.239 --> 01:00:24.880
something you know that would be more advanced, but it's

1119
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not going to change it. It absolutely is going to change.

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It is going to destroy your life. Exactly what people

1121
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need to be hearing during this period time. Recognize, I'm

1122
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not saying this to diminish you or to discourage you.

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The encouraging thing is but there's a great way around

1124
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this life changing reality of who we are and what

1125
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we do. And that's what Jesus Christ did for us

1126
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on the cross. He's the only one that can save

1127
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us from this internal corruption. And we got a nation

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where two out of three people are saying, by the

1129
01:00:55.760 --> 01:00:58.480
way you know, when you talk about sin, it makes

1130
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me feel guilty, and that guilt is worse than the sin.

1131
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People are thinking that the feelings that sin produces, it's

1132
01:01:06.480 --> 01:01:09.880
just like when you touch a stove and you jump

1133
01:01:09.960 --> 01:01:13.920
back because it hurts. God implanted that feeling of pain

1134
01:01:13.960 --> 01:01:16.800
in us so that we would know something's wrong, and

1135
01:01:16.840 --> 01:01:20.280
it's the same way with sin. That's what that guilt does.

1136
01:01:20.320 --> 01:01:24.480
It makes us realize, Oh, man, I offended God. I

1137
01:01:24.679 --> 01:01:28.800
broke his heart, and that should break my heart if

1138
01:01:28.840 --> 01:01:31.960
I claim that I love him, I want to serve him.

1139
01:01:32.559 --> 01:01:33.159
That's got to.

1140
01:01:33.559 --> 01:01:36.159
That's got just got to, you know, knock me over,

1141
01:01:36.559 --> 01:01:39.320
Say what a fool I am. Lord, Please take over,

1142
01:01:39.760 --> 01:01:42.239
save me, do what you need to. In the Holy Spirit,

1143
01:01:42.559 --> 01:01:45.559
I'm yours. But we're not hearing that enough in America.

1144
01:01:46.239 --> 01:01:51.719
Yeah, you know, we've become so consumeristic and and nehilistic.

1145
01:01:52.400 --> 01:01:55.239
H I mean, just go down all the isms. I mean,

1146
01:01:55.280 --> 01:02:00.400
we we've embraced that as we have. You know, listen

1147
01:02:00.519 --> 01:02:04.559
to the voice of the evil one. If God really said,

1148
01:02:04.960 --> 01:02:08.840
I mean, God laid out a plan, this is his domain,

1149
01:02:09.079 --> 01:02:14.679
his dominion. It's all set up perfectly ordered, and we

1150
01:02:14.800 --> 01:02:18.119
messed it up and we have been trying to justify

1151
01:02:18.199 --> 01:02:21.079
it ever since then, as opposed to you know, being

1152
01:02:21.199 --> 01:02:23.559
like Isaiah and having the moment or even you know,

1153
01:02:23.719 --> 01:02:28.559
the the children of Nineveh, who when they're confronted with

1154
01:02:28.639 --> 01:02:32.599
the truth of God or going oh evey, yeah, you know,

1155
01:02:33.239 --> 01:02:35.480
or they were a bunch of gentiles, so they probably

1156
01:02:35.519 --> 01:02:39.280
didn't say ovey. But but regardless, you know, they got

1157
01:02:39.320 --> 01:02:44.360
it right, and they're putting sackcloth on themselves and they're going, hey,

1158
01:02:44.440 --> 01:02:48.599
even the animals, we're not going to miss anything here, right,

1159
01:02:50.199 --> 01:02:54.280
And maybe, George, maybe if we could get to that

1160
01:02:54.360 --> 01:02:57.920
sack cloth moment, so to speak, that God would open

1161
01:02:57.960 --> 01:03:00.480
our eyes in such a way that we could really

1162
01:03:00.559 --> 01:03:07.440
see sin for how it hurts the father's heart.

1163
01:03:07.719 --> 01:03:10.519
And just even the phrase you use their bill the father,

1164
01:03:11.360 --> 01:03:13.280
you know, I mean, this is something else. We're finding

1165
01:03:13.320 --> 01:03:16.880
that so few people, when they think about who they are,

1166
01:03:17.000 --> 01:03:19.119
they think about the nature of their life, they think

1167
01:03:19.159 --> 01:03:22.480
about their faith, when they think about God, they think

1168
01:03:22.480 --> 01:03:25.519
about you know, the big guy, the man upstairs. They

1169
01:03:25.559 --> 01:03:27.719
don't think about he's my father.

1170
01:03:28.320 --> 01:03:30.559
Yeah, you know, he loves.

1171
01:03:30.239 --> 01:03:33.760
Me, he cares about me, He'll do everything he can

1172
01:03:34.199 --> 01:03:37.840
to save me. And that's why he came down here

1173
01:03:37.880 --> 01:03:42.559
and took on my sins. That's my father willing to

1174
01:03:42.599 --> 01:03:46.079
suffer from me so that you know, I can live

1175
01:03:46.119 --> 01:03:48.440
with him forever because he loves me. You know, we

1176
01:03:48.519 --> 01:03:51.679
don't get that picture. And I think it's so critically

1177
01:03:51.679 --> 01:03:53.639
important for us to recognize that.

1178
01:03:54.119 --> 01:03:58.039
Well, it's important that we're having this conversation today, significant

1179
01:03:58.079 --> 01:04:02.639
that you address this top right now, because that is

1180
01:04:02.880 --> 01:04:06.000
step one in any kind of revival, is we have

1181
01:04:06.079 --> 01:04:09.920
to acknowledge that we all have sinned, we're all sinners,

1182
01:04:10.559 --> 01:04:14.000
and we need a holy God to save us because

1183
01:04:14.239 --> 01:04:15.280
there's nobody else.

1184
01:04:15.320 --> 01:04:20.599
George, It's all we've got. But the beauty of that

1185
01:04:20.840 --> 01:04:22.119
is it's all we need.

1186
01:04:23.199 --> 01:04:26.840
And I love that that's all we got and it's

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all we need.

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Who yes, yeah, So I mean if we can just

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embrace that and be thankful for that, so thankful that

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we're willing to repent, which means turn around, you know,

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change what we're doing, go in a different direction. If

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we'd be willing to do that, man, it would be

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so different.

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Well, you talk about a revival that could be beyond

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anything that this earth has ever experienced, George, Barna, Wow,

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may be the Father's will it happened, It would happen

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at this time.

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And Charlie was a friend and I'm going to miss him.

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Millions of people are going to miss him because of

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what he brought to the table. But what he brought

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to the table isn't going away, because what he brought

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to the table was the truth of the scriptures, the

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love of God, the forgiveness of Christ, and the hope

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of eternity. And he may have talked about it in

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a political context, he might have talked about it in

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a social context, in a family context and educational context,

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but the basis of his message was recognize your sinner,

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ask for God's forgiveness, accept it and run with it.

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And the truth does exist.

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Yeah, yeah, And how ironic it is that he had

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to go to universities and colleges all over the country,

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which was supposed to be places that teach us the truth,

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you know, and at our university were certainly trying to

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do that. But we hear all the time, how unique

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that is, how sad that is.

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Well. He's the director of Research at Arizona Christian University's

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Cultural Research author of Raising Spiritual Champions, Doctor George Barne,

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thank you George, take care, God bless you, my friend, do.

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Too, Bill.

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Hey, good morning, Welcome Bill Martinez here along with Jeff Kemp,

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the author and ministry leader and former nfl QB, fresh

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from crossing the Atlantic. He was in Europe and he's

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here to talk about it. Hey Jeff, good morning, Good

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morning Bill. Yeah, what an experience. I'm so jealous. I

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mean a C. S.

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Lewis dor Yeah, it was awesome. We were with about

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thirty two people, most of them were supporters of a

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Christian camp in California at Heme Lake. But the professor

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who guide us on a tour in Ireland where C. S.

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01:10:53.199 --> 01:10:56.399
Lewis was born in Belfast, the same place where the

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Titanic was built. And then we went to London, Cambridge

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and Oxford, places where he taught and was educated. And

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01:11:08.079 --> 01:11:11.399
it was remarkable to get a big picture of history.

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I mean, history is all over there. You know, we

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got a long way at Kings know you.

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Think, I know America, Americans always think, you know, two

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hundred and fifty years, and then you go there and

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01:11:22.079 --> 01:11:24.880
it's like thousand years, twelve hundred and fourteen hundred years ago.

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This church has been around for Ford. What you know,

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01:11:27.520 --> 01:11:29.000
it's like, yeah, it's crazy.

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Oh boy, Gothic architecture, those cathedrals that were built with

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no modern tools, scaffolding that went up two hundred feet

1315
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and these arch ceilings and all to the glory of God.

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Oh it was beautiful. So that was great. But overall,

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I think the thing the two things that hit me

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the most were the courage and leadership of Winston Churchill,

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01:11:58.560 --> 01:12:02.079
you know, after England threatened and the free world threatened,

1320
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and then C. S. Lewis's passionate, honest, humble pursuit of truth.

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He was an objectivist, which meant he thought that we

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must operate with reality. We need to look for that

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which is true and conforms to reality. And even those

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Narnia stories, we're all pointing to the fact that we're

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created by a crator outside this world, and the only

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solution will come outside of this world. That's why they

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went through the wardrobe. That's why Oslon is a christ

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figure and sacrifices himself to save and C. S. Lewis's

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01:12:37.119 --> 01:12:42.399
amazing books. We're all pursuing the answer to why do

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humans have these longings to be great and famous and

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happy and have pleasure but it never satisfies.

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Well, the reason is we.

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Were made for another world, and we need to look

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to that world, to Jesus, to eternity exactly.

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Well. And the thing is is, you know, I found

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it quite interesting that he found a way to incorporate

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the Gospel message in a you know, a different kind

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of narrative. So it kind of caught people a little

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bit off guard. And then as people started realizing, you know,

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particularly even people of faith, realizing, oh, okay, I get it.

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I mean, here's here's the symbolism, and this all you

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have a you know, kind of an oh yeah moment

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of revelation and understanding. But and for other people that didn't,

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01:13:28.800 --> 01:13:31.560
that resisted it, it's like it's one of those seeds

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that's implanted that maybe we'll blossom down the road for them.

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One of the things that Professor Jerry Root of Wheaton

1347
01:13:38.600 --> 01:13:43.199
College was with us talk to us about is that

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01:13:44.359 --> 01:13:47.760
humanity wants to tell stories and that's how we pass

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on our traditions. And there's been myth and epic stories.

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01:13:52.720 --> 01:13:55.560
The movies today are still creating, you know, stories that

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01:13:55.600 --> 01:13:58.119
are very much off the same pattern. You know that

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there's a hero, there's a problem, there's an enemy, there's

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a quest, there's a challenge, and then there's a resolution.

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And many times the resolution has the hero die, and

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that it goes back to the Jesus story, which is

1356
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what you were talking about in the Chronicles of Narnia.

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01:14:17.720 --> 01:14:20.680
But Lewis was interesting because Britain was being bombed to

1358
01:14:20.760 --> 01:14:24.800
smitherings and we saw, you know, photographs and the bunkers

1359
01:14:24.840 --> 01:14:29.439
were Churchill and his cabinet and his military leaders, you know,

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were downstairs in the basement protecting themselves from bombs, managing

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the war. And Lewis had written a book called The

1362
01:14:38.319 --> 01:14:44.359
Problem of Pain, and the BBC wanted a Christian message

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01:14:44.359 --> 01:14:47.119
that would appeal to people of any denomination, because you know,

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01:14:47.159 --> 01:14:53.600
there's big Catholic and divisions in Ireland particular and in England,

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01:14:55.319 --> 01:14:58.079
and of course we have millions of flavors of Protestant

1366
01:14:58.199 --> 01:15:02.439
churches and different versions of Catholicism around the world, but

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01:15:02.520 --> 01:15:05.479
they wanted someone who would speak to the essence of

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01:15:05.800 --> 01:15:10.239
Christian hope in a time of trial. BBC signed him

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01:15:10.319 --> 01:15:11.680
up and he gave a series of I think it

1370
01:15:11.760 --> 01:15:14.920
was over thirty messages on the radio to the whole

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01:15:15.000 --> 01:15:17.359
nation of England, and much of what he wrote found

1372
01:15:17.359 --> 01:15:21.520
its way into the book Mere Christianity. The essence to

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01:15:21.640 --> 01:15:26.239
strip away the human religious part, which isn't bad unless

1374
01:15:26.239 --> 01:15:28.600
it takes us away from God. It's just his style

1375
01:15:28.680 --> 01:15:32.880
in some cases. What's the essence of the Gospel, of

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01:15:32.920 --> 01:15:36.840
the faith of the God solving the human problem through

1377
01:15:36.920 --> 01:15:42.960
human humility to receive Jesus Christ as the solution. Mere Christianity.

1378
01:15:43.680 --> 01:15:46.520
And how awesome that a Christian would be called to

1379
01:15:46.560 --> 01:15:50.399
speak to the whole country because he was that credible exactly.

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01:15:50.840 --> 01:15:52.800
Well, you know, when you're at a point when you

1381
01:15:52.880 --> 01:15:56.319
need hope, you go to the source of hope, right,

1382
01:15:56.760 --> 01:16:00.319
And he understood that. Others probably, I mean like they

1383
01:16:00.359 --> 01:16:05.479
say there's no atheist in Foxhoels, right, and Britain at

1384
01:16:05.520 --> 01:16:06.800
the time was in a foxhoil.

1385
01:16:07.159 --> 01:16:09.399
They were in a foxhol His story is interesting. His

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01:16:09.800 --> 01:16:13.319
mother died when he was nine years old. He was

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01:16:13.319 --> 01:16:16.079
sent off to a boarding school where the headmaster was cruel,

1388
01:16:16.520 --> 01:16:20.640
probably some abuse there raised with his little brother. He

1389
01:16:20.720 --> 01:16:26.600
had thumbs that wouldn't a hinge at the same hinge

1390
01:16:26.600 --> 01:16:28.199
as the rest of us, so his hands were kind

1391
01:16:28.199 --> 01:16:30.800
of stiff. He was not good at sports. He couldn't

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01:16:30.800 --> 01:16:32.600
do sports his friends.

1393
01:16:32.800 --> 01:16:34.439
So he could. He couldn't be a white out on

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your team.

1395
01:16:35.119 --> 01:16:37.840
No, he would have been the equipment man or something.

1396
01:16:37.920 --> 01:16:41.760
But he couldn't do a lot of the things the

1397
01:16:41.760 --> 01:16:44.119
other boys did. He was made fun of. And he

1398
01:16:44.159 --> 01:16:50.239
couldn't use scissors to make paper characters and dragons and

1399
01:16:50.359 --> 01:16:53.840
castles and kings and warriors like his brother and others did.

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01:16:54.399 --> 01:17:01.399
Interesting his deficit, his handicap of a disability with his hands,

1401
01:17:01.800 --> 01:17:06.479
led him to create castles and dragons and giants and

1402
01:17:06.560 --> 01:17:11.920
kingdoms in his head, which he ended up penning in fiction. Yes,

1403
01:17:12.000 --> 01:17:16.359
so humanity has fallen because humans have said God will

1404
01:17:16.359 --> 01:17:19.520
do it on our own. Lewis said that pride was

1405
01:17:19.600 --> 01:17:23.199
the fundamental and greatest sin that leads to all the others.

1406
01:17:24.800 --> 01:17:28.159
And in that pride of saying no God, the world

1407
01:17:28.199 --> 01:17:32.119
is messed up. But even so Lewis kept writing that

1408
01:17:32.319 --> 01:17:34.920
God is bigger than the badness of the earth. God

1409
01:17:35.000 --> 01:17:38.359
is bigger than the fall, He's bigger than Satan. In

1410
01:17:38.439 --> 01:17:41.359
the end, he will be just, and he will be loving,

1411
01:17:42.000 --> 01:17:44.319
and he's at work right now, and the toughest things

1412
01:17:44.319 --> 01:17:46.279
in your life could turn for good if you turn

1413
01:17:46.359 --> 01:17:49.319
to him and say, God, what's the meaning of this?

1414
01:17:49.359 --> 01:17:51.560
How can I use this? How can I serve others

1415
01:17:51.640 --> 01:17:55.520
while I'm being suffering in a tough situation.

1416
01:17:56.600 --> 01:17:58.760
I got to imagine that all of you that went

1417
01:17:58.800 --> 01:18:02.560
on this tour, that you're writing a spiritual high as

1418
01:18:02.600 --> 01:18:07.079
a result of being in that sphere of influence. Because

1419
01:18:07.279 --> 01:18:11.399
to this day C. S. Lewis's legacy continues to vibrate.

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01:18:12.319 --> 01:18:15.640
It does. I went into a little corner bookstore, like

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01:18:15.720 --> 01:18:17.840
kind of my dad would have gone to if he

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01:18:17.920 --> 01:18:20.720
were in London, and Professor rut always goes into these

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01:18:20.720 --> 01:18:24.079
bookstores to look for first editions. I bought a first

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01:18:24.199 --> 01:18:29.479
edition of C. S. Lewis's book, Surprised by Joy, which

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01:18:29.640 --> 01:18:32.199
was the story of his going from an agnostic who

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01:18:32.239 --> 01:18:35.119
said God doesn't answer the prayers to save my mom's life,

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01:18:35.560 --> 01:18:37.840
I'm not going to believe in him. He was well

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01:18:37.960 --> 01:18:42.520
educated and quite bright, and became even more agnostic. But

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01:18:42.640 --> 01:18:47.560
eventually his friendship with J. R. R. Tolkien, who was Yes,

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01:18:47.680 --> 01:18:54.279
now the Hobbit and the trilogy, what's that famous trilogy

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01:18:54.279 --> 01:18:54.800
that he wrote?

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01:18:54.840 --> 01:18:55.399
The movies?

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01:18:56.720 --> 01:19:00.399
But Tolkien and he were talking and cs I said,

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01:19:00.439 --> 01:19:05.119
I do believe there is an uncaused causer of the world.

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01:19:05.640 --> 01:19:08.840
I do believe in God. And then he went on

1436
01:19:08.880 --> 01:19:12.399
another walk with Tolkien and he said, when the walk finished,

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01:19:13.199 --> 01:19:16.720
I was a Christian. Jesus had revealed himself to me,

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01:19:17.000 --> 01:19:21.439
and I realized that the uncaused creator God had entered

1439
01:19:21.479 --> 01:19:25.199
the story in the person of Jesus. He had died,

1440
01:19:25.640 --> 01:19:31.640
resurrected as the sacrifice. So interesting, CSOs could speak to

1441
01:19:31.720 --> 01:19:37.920
the doubter, the questioner, the atheist, the agnostic. It gave

1442
01:19:37.920 --> 01:19:41.920
me respect for evangelism, that we need to not rush

1443
01:19:42.000 --> 01:19:45.199
people but ask many questions to find out where they are,

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01:19:46.199 --> 01:19:48.920
and eventually you get to a point of what their

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01:19:49.840 --> 01:19:52.279
biggest concern or hang up is and God can answer that.

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01:19:52.359 --> 01:19:54.600
But not if we come in answering questions before they

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01:19:54.640 --> 01:19:55.479
even ask them.

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01:19:55.760 --> 01:19:58.880
Yeah, exactly, Lord of the Rings. It took me a

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01:19:58.920 --> 01:19:59.840
minute to you know.

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01:20:00.119 --> 01:20:03.199
Because I thought it would come to you. But yeah, eventually,

1451
01:20:03.680 --> 01:20:05.840
slow brain action there for a minute.

1452
01:20:05.960 --> 01:20:10.439
Well I'm just I'm sympathizing with your return journey and

1453
01:20:10.479 --> 01:20:13.159
your lag a little bit. But all is well.

1454
01:20:13.680 --> 01:20:16.520
I have jet lagged, but much spiritual high. I want

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01:20:16.560 --> 01:20:19.159
to I want to go through my notes and kind

1456
01:20:19.199 --> 01:20:21.680
of distill what are the messages on how to live

1457
01:20:22.840 --> 01:20:26.159
that come out of C. S. Lewis's life and writings.

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And that's what I worked on on the plane until

1459
01:20:28.880 --> 01:20:31.600
I got too tired and just watched a movie.

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Well, welcome home, Good to have you back. Glad you

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former NFL QB and author of Receiver and the Blitz

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and all these good books, and also ministry leader Jeff.

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How can people be in touch with you?

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01:20:47.560 --> 01:20:50.880
They can go to Jeff kepteam dot com and we

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have resources and they can find the books there. And

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I want to strengthen friendships all across the board because

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that's the way God operated in the first place. Others

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on a spit and we need our friendships.

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Good morning America. Bill Martinez here. Great to have you

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with us sharing a part of your day. For more

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information on the show, you can check it out Bill

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Martinez Live dot com. Glenn Luncheon is back with It

1545
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has been a minute since we've talked, but always good

1546
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to have some time with Glenn. He's a licensed marriage

1547
01:25:23.119 --> 01:25:25.880
and family therapist with focus on the family. Hey Glenn,

1548
01:25:25.880 --> 01:25:26.239
good morning.

1549
01:25:26.279 --> 01:25:27.760
How are you Bill doing well?

1550
01:25:27.840 --> 01:25:28.199
Thank you?

1551
01:25:28.479 --> 01:25:31.239
Hey, glad you could join us to talk about loneliness,

1552
01:25:31.319 --> 01:25:35.239
a silent epidemic at home and in the workplace. It's

1553
01:25:35.279 --> 01:25:37.439
quite interesting. I mean it took us a couple of decades.

1554
01:25:37.920 --> 01:25:39.720
You go back. I don't know if you remember the

1555
01:25:39.720 --> 01:25:42.720
book Mega trends from John fifth years ago, probably about

1556
01:25:42.720 --> 01:25:46.239
twenty five years ago. I think he talked about as

1557
01:25:46.319 --> 01:25:49.680
technology would increase, there'd be a higher need for touch.

1558
01:25:49.720 --> 01:25:52.520
He called it high tech touch. And this seems, this

1559
01:25:52.640 --> 01:25:55.560
loneliness epidemic seems to be a byproduct of the very

1560
01:25:55.560 --> 01:25:56.399
thing he predicted.

1561
01:25:56.880 --> 01:26:00.239
Yeah, yeah, yeah, there's a I remember just some one

1562
01:26:00.319 --> 01:26:03.399
not too terribly long ago walked into my office and

1563
01:26:03.840 --> 01:26:06.239
shared how they were feeling just that deep sense of

1564
01:26:06.279 --> 01:26:10.319
isolation in the workforce, and even with you know, screens

1565
01:26:10.439 --> 01:26:13.199
and sometimes being able to see somebody, you know, face

1566
01:26:13.239 --> 01:26:16.880
to face in that regard, it doesn't replace that that

1567
01:26:17.560 --> 01:26:21.520
human awareness and touch that can be constructive and healthy.

1568
01:26:22.000 --> 01:26:24.600
Well, I think that COVID proved that out more than ever.

1569
01:26:25.239 --> 01:26:30.199
I mean that four year experiment and wacky experience that

1570
01:26:30.239 --> 01:26:32.199
we all went through that I think we're still suffering

1571
01:26:32.199 --> 01:26:34.319
from some of that, don't you think? I do?

1572
01:26:34.520 --> 01:26:34.840
I do.

1573
01:26:34.920 --> 01:26:38.560
I think there we've probably gotten into some patterns that

1574
01:26:38.760 --> 01:26:41.359
have not been the healthiest as it relates to it.

1575
01:26:41.399 --> 01:26:44.720
I mean, I think our screens can be you know,

1576
01:26:44.760 --> 01:26:47.439
a piece of it. I think when people were isolated,

1577
01:26:47.479 --> 01:26:50.319
it was just a whole lot more of a go

1578
01:26:50.399 --> 01:26:53.239
to as far as you know, screens and cell phones,

1579
01:26:53.560 --> 01:26:57.439
and I think we've kind of just gotten comfortable with that,

1580
01:26:57.880 --> 01:26:59.600
and I think it does take away from some of

1581
01:26:59.640 --> 01:27:02.399
that real human connection that God created us to have.

1582
01:27:02.960 --> 01:27:06.359
Well, you know, you always have the introverts versus the extroverts, Right,

1583
01:27:06.439 --> 01:27:09.600
extroverts got to have that connection. Introverts they're happy in

1584
01:27:09.600 --> 01:27:12.600
their own corner, leave me alone. Hold, oh, I get that,

1585
01:27:13.920 --> 01:27:16.479
But you know that's not the way God designed us.

1586
01:27:16.640 --> 01:27:19.439
Is that we have to you know, even extroverts have

1587
01:27:19.479 --> 01:27:23.479
to find time to find their introverts self, and conversely,

1588
01:27:23.520 --> 01:27:26.119
introverts need to find some extroverts self. So you know,

1589
01:27:26.239 --> 01:27:28.880
when we're face to face, it forces us to get

1590
01:27:28.920 --> 01:27:31.680
outside of ourselves and not be so you know, I

1591
01:27:31.680 --> 01:27:33.600
don't mean to make it mean or anything like that,

1592
01:27:33.640 --> 01:27:37.119
but sometimes it's selfishness. It's just we just selfishly wanted

1593
01:27:37.239 --> 01:27:40.840
our way all the time. And you know, little do

1594
01:27:40.920 --> 01:27:45.079
we know that sometimes that interpersonal connection you have no idea.

1595
01:27:45.119 --> 01:27:47.920
It's like that word aptly spoken. What kind of impact

1596
01:27:47.920 --> 01:27:48.960
that can have? Rag Glenn?

1597
01:27:49.720 --> 01:27:52.880
Yeah, just being able to be concerned about what my

1598
01:27:53.039 --> 01:27:57.000
needs are. But also, as Philippian two four says, the

1599
01:27:57.119 --> 01:28:00.279
needs the interests of others, right, and if it's just

1600
01:28:00.359 --> 01:28:03.800
I'm only concerned about their needs, that I'm probably I'm

1601
01:28:03.840 --> 01:28:07.399
probably in their yard taking responsibility for things that aren't mine.

1602
01:28:08.000 --> 01:28:11.199
If I'm only concerned about me and not concerned about them,

1603
01:28:11.640 --> 01:28:14.319
then it's the opposite fashion, and it's also going to

1604
01:28:14.359 --> 01:28:15.079
be detrimental.

1605
01:28:15.760 --> 01:28:17.600
Well, the warnings have been up, I mean for a

1606
01:28:17.640 --> 01:28:20.800
number of years. You know. In fact, even my phone

1607
01:28:20.840 --> 01:28:22.840
tells me how much screen time. It gives me an

1608
01:28:22.840 --> 01:28:26.720
accounting of it, and it's amazing, and I have to think, Okay,

1609
01:28:26.920 --> 01:28:29.159
it just gives you general screen time that you spend.

1610
01:28:29.479 --> 01:28:33.000
How much of that screen time do I spend relevant

1611
01:28:33.079 --> 01:28:35.039
to the show I do? I mean, you know, when

1612
01:28:35.079 --> 01:28:37.960
you do a two hour show every day, you know

1613
01:28:38.039 --> 01:28:41.520
for each hour, you've got three hours of preparation. So

1614
01:28:41.560 --> 01:28:43.560
it adds up. I mean, you know in terms of

1615
01:28:43.800 --> 01:28:46.439
you know, combination of screen time and you know, reading

1616
01:28:46.960 --> 01:28:49.359
whatever things that I need to read in order to

1617
01:28:49.359 --> 01:28:51.720
prepare for the show. So all that accounts for it.

1618
01:28:51.880 --> 01:28:54.079
And that's not to make any excuses. It only in

1619
01:28:54.199 --> 01:28:57.279
just in terms of being accountable to go and Okay,

1620
01:28:57.439 --> 01:29:01.720
how much of that time is I have little time

1621
01:29:01.760 --> 01:29:04.720
frankly gwinn to go and wander too much down the

1622
01:29:04.800 --> 01:29:08.119
rabbit holes. And my wife sometimes she'll complain, she goes, oh,

1623
01:29:08.159 --> 01:29:10.800
I can't believe. I go, well, you know that's what

1624
01:29:10.840 --> 01:29:15.560
they do. These things catch you because you're bait and

1625
01:29:15.159 --> 01:29:19.239
they're throwing out click stuff in order to hook you in, right.

1626
01:29:19.600 --> 01:29:20.199
Right, yeah.

1627
01:29:20.279 --> 01:29:23.720
No, And even just the titles of different articles and

1628
01:29:23.960 --> 01:29:27.119
you know, podcasts or I think geared towards I want

1629
01:29:27.159 --> 01:29:30.479
you to come watch me, and so it has a

1630
01:29:30.520 --> 01:29:34.199
strong power. And I think what really is an important

1631
01:29:34.239 --> 01:29:37.439
aspect of that is making a decision at times to

1632
01:29:38.000 --> 01:29:40.720
kind of do a fast. Yesterday it was real tempted.

1633
01:29:40.760 --> 01:29:45.600
I mean when said I didn't watch any electronic technology,

1634
01:29:45.720 --> 01:29:49.960
but I really limited it. And sometimes it's kind of like, okay,

1635
01:29:49.960 --> 01:29:52.239
am I just by myself, I'm with my own thoughts.

1636
01:29:52.680 --> 01:29:55.880
Is that a bad thing, No, it's good. But just

1637
01:29:56.079 --> 01:29:58.960
making that decision sometimes to fast from it, I think

1638
01:29:59.079 --> 01:29:59.560
is healthy.

1639
01:30:00.079 --> 01:30:01.880
That's pretty good. I mean, you gave up the Ryder Cup,

1640
01:30:01.920 --> 01:30:02.479
you gave up.

1641
01:30:02.960 --> 01:30:06.439
Well football, I didn't say I gave up football totally

1642
01:30:06.520 --> 01:30:08.279
on that one, right, but I did give up some

1643
01:30:08.359 --> 01:30:10.039
other things that I would have been drawn to I

1644
01:30:10.079 --> 01:30:10.399
don't know.

1645
01:30:10.840 --> 01:30:12.720
Well, And I got to tell you, I've been challenged

1646
01:30:12.960 --> 01:30:15.119
and this has been you know a number of years

1647
01:30:15.520 --> 01:30:19.079
in terms of honoring the Sabbath and uh and for me,

1648
01:30:19.560 --> 01:30:23.760
I practice my Sabbath on Friday, Friday, Saturday, okay, And

1649
01:30:24.479 --> 01:30:27.399
so I try shut things down, you know, and people

1650
01:30:27.439 --> 01:30:29.920
who know about the show know not to come. I mean,

1651
01:30:29.920 --> 01:30:32.119
they can send me a text or whatever, but I

1652
01:30:32.119 --> 01:30:36.119
won't get to it until until Sunday because and I

1653
01:30:36.199 --> 01:30:39.960
try to. I'm not perfect at it. It's you know,

1654
01:30:40.000 --> 01:30:42.119
but I'm a little bit more than aspirational about it.

1655
01:30:42.159 --> 01:30:45.920
Let's put it that way. I'm getting better, right, right.

1656
01:30:46.119 --> 01:30:48.640
No, I think that's good to be able to be intentional.

1657
01:30:49.039 --> 01:30:52.199
I think people who experience intentionality in a lot of ways,

1658
01:30:52.239 --> 01:30:54.840
not just simply with loneliness, but in a lot of ways,

1659
01:30:54.960 --> 01:30:58.600
are they're being proactive, They're taking ownership of what's in

1660
01:30:58.640 --> 01:30:59.079
their yard.

1661
01:30:59.760 --> 01:31:04.159
So so what's the prescription here, Glenn, you know, in

1662
01:31:04.239 --> 01:31:08.000
terms of evaluating where we are on the loneliness scale

1663
01:31:08.159 --> 01:31:11.920
and what do we do to be intentional and resolve

1664
01:31:11.960 --> 01:31:12.600
this situation.

1665
01:31:13.600 --> 01:31:16.600
Well, one is just to recognize if I am experiencing

1666
01:31:16.640 --> 01:31:20.119
a sense of loneliness, and in many ways it's very subjective.

1667
01:31:20.520 --> 01:31:24.399
It's that gap between what I perceive to have is

1668
01:31:24.479 --> 01:31:27.720
my level of connection and what I desire to have

1669
01:31:28.000 --> 01:31:31.399
as my level of connection. And when there's a gap there, okay,

1670
01:31:31.560 --> 01:31:34.920
now it's my responsibility. If I'm experiencing it, it's my

1671
01:31:35.039 --> 01:31:38.800
responsibility to take some action. So what might be I mean,

1672
01:31:38.800 --> 01:31:40.880
it could even be where a person makes a list

1673
01:31:40.920 --> 01:31:44.000
of what are maybe five individuals? It could be it

1674
01:31:44.039 --> 01:31:45.920
could be a lower number, could be a higher number.

1675
01:31:46.199 --> 01:31:50.920
But what are five individuals that I can reach out

1676
01:31:51.039 --> 01:31:56.479
to that will either be meaningful to me and hopefully

1677
01:31:56.600 --> 01:31:59.800
also to them and vice versa. You know, who are

1678
01:31:59.840 --> 01:32:02.960
some people that maybe would benefit from me but hopefully

1679
01:32:03.039 --> 01:32:07.000
I would enjoy that as well. And then being intentional

1680
01:32:07.039 --> 01:32:09.680
about it, being able to make that time to reach

1681
01:32:09.720 --> 01:32:12.359
out to people and desire to connect with them.

1682
01:32:12.840 --> 01:32:15.199
Well, maybe we should pause, also, Glenn, and think about,

1683
01:32:15.239 --> 01:32:17.399
you know, some triggering dates. It could be a birthday,

1684
01:32:17.560 --> 01:32:20.399
could be you know, Thanksgiving. You know you want to

1685
01:32:20.399 --> 01:32:22.399
be with family, you haven't been with family, you know,

1686
01:32:22.439 --> 01:32:25.439
these kind of things, in order to plan a little

1687
01:32:25.479 --> 01:32:28.119
bit more so, as you say, be intentional. I like that,

1688
01:32:28.920 --> 01:32:33.960
because the responsibility is really on each of us individually, right,

1689
01:32:34.000 --> 01:32:37.119
we can't put it on somebody else, you know, lonely.

1690
01:32:37.199 --> 01:32:41.159
I mean you can, but it doesn't work right, right,

1691
01:32:41.319 --> 01:32:44.479
So maybe we should, you know, forecasts say, okay, for

1692
01:32:44.560 --> 01:32:47.159
the rest of the year. What are these dates that

1693
01:32:47.199 --> 01:32:49.279
are coming up there important? I got a birthday here,

1694
01:32:49.840 --> 01:32:55.000
somebody's birthday or something something that may trigger that sense

1695
01:32:55.000 --> 01:32:58.319
of loneliness. Is that something we should consider? Maybe?

1696
01:32:58.640 --> 01:32:59.079
I think so?

1697
01:32:59.279 --> 01:33:01.319
I mean, I think think if there's an individual who's

1698
01:33:01.359 --> 01:33:04.760
maybe lost a loved one and the anniversary of that

1699
01:33:04.800 --> 01:33:07.560
person's death, or maybe just you know, if it's a

1700
01:33:07.600 --> 01:33:10.239
person who has lost a spouse, a widow or widower,

1701
01:33:10.560 --> 01:33:12.800
you know, just kind of reaching out to them at

1702
01:33:12.800 --> 01:33:15.560
that time. That does a couple of things. One is

1703
01:33:15.880 --> 01:33:18.520
it just lets a person know we care, But it

1704
01:33:18.600 --> 01:33:21.079
lets a person know we care in a special way

1705
01:33:21.479 --> 01:33:24.840
because we're remembering something that they're going to remember, and

1706
01:33:24.880 --> 01:33:29.439
that really heightens that level of connection in a constructive way.

1707
01:33:29.720 --> 01:33:32.560
In some ways, it's not only the level of connection.

1708
01:33:32.640 --> 01:33:37.640
You can have connection in a detrimental, destructive way. It

1709
01:33:37.680 --> 01:33:39.920
can be codependent in the sense that a person is

1710
01:33:39.960 --> 01:33:43.439
taking responsibility completely for another person, or it can be

1711
01:33:43.479 --> 01:33:47.399
detrimental in the sense that a person is conflictual. So

1712
01:33:47.439 --> 01:33:51.359
we're looking for those relationships where we can build each

1713
01:33:51.359 --> 01:33:55.560
other up, where we can speak into someone's life. I

1714
01:33:55.720 --> 01:34:00.239
had a scenario just recently where recently meaning maybe two

1715
01:34:00.279 --> 01:34:04.399
days ago, where I reached out to someone and it

1716
01:34:04.479 --> 01:34:06.439
was an area where I wanted to talk with them

1717
01:34:06.479 --> 01:34:08.840
about something that they had shared kind of on a

1718
01:34:08.880 --> 01:34:12.600
social media post, and I wanted to do it in

1719
01:34:12.640 --> 01:34:15.000
a constructive way. I didn't want to just you know,

1720
01:34:15.039 --> 01:34:17.439
go on the post and you know, add my two

1721
01:34:17.479 --> 01:34:21.039
cents to it. So I called them, I talked with them.

1722
01:34:21.800 --> 01:34:24.640
I'll tell you the person received it wonderfully. I mean

1723
01:34:25.079 --> 01:34:27.119
they just said, thank you for calling me out on that.

1724
01:34:27.720 --> 01:34:31.039
And sometimes I think we're we're we don't like to

1725
01:34:31.079 --> 01:34:34.760
do that. I know I don't. I'm a recovering appeaser

1726
01:34:35.319 --> 01:34:38.880
because that can be my tendency is to appease and

1727
01:34:38.960 --> 01:34:42.680
not like any conflict. But sometimes even doing something like that,

1728
01:34:42.880 --> 01:34:44.760
if I do it with the right heart and the

1729
01:34:44.840 --> 01:34:48.199
right spirit, I think really connects and builds a bond

1730
01:34:48.239 --> 01:34:49.079
with the other person.

1731
01:34:49.359 --> 01:34:52.199
Well, and the thing is is that how it blesses

1732
01:34:52.239 --> 01:34:55.199
both of you? Right? Yeah, you have a bond, a

1733
01:34:55.239 --> 01:34:57.479
better bond. But even then it gives you some sense

1734
01:34:57.479 --> 01:35:00.560
of competency. So the next time, in the spirit of

1735
01:35:00.600 --> 01:35:02.640
God is saying, hey, Glenn, I want you to nudge

1736
01:35:02.680 --> 01:35:05.199
this guy a little bit, you know, and whatever you

1737
01:35:05.239 --> 01:35:09.560
know that you do so a lot more willingly. And

1738
01:35:09.640 --> 01:35:11.640
you know, because again, what what what is it all

1739
01:35:11.680 --> 01:35:14.520
about at the end of the game. You know, it's

1740
01:35:14.560 --> 01:35:17.359
about uh, you know, getting into heaven and having a

1741
01:35:17.399 --> 01:35:18.399
parade behind.

1742
01:35:18.079 --> 01:35:22.399
You right right right making making making heaven crowded.

1743
01:35:22.640 --> 01:35:24.920
Yeah, we've heard that. We've heard that in the last

1744
01:35:24.960 --> 01:35:27.880
couple of weeks. Thank you, Charlie Kirk. Yeah, you know,

1745
01:35:28.039 --> 01:35:31.680
you're exactly right. And that's I think something that, uh

1746
01:35:32.000 --> 01:35:34.399
is something we need to be focused on. And and

1747
01:35:34.439 --> 01:35:36.880
I like what we're talking about this because the shift

1748
01:35:36.880 --> 01:35:39.880
from screen time to FaceTime, uh, you know, I think

1749
01:35:39.920 --> 01:35:42.199
that's the optimum when we can be face to face,

1750
01:35:42.399 --> 01:35:44.199
I mean, because sometimes you can lean so much as

1751
01:35:44.239 --> 01:35:45.760
it well, you know, hey, I commune, I send an

1752
01:35:45.800 --> 01:35:48.079
email And I used to be around a lot of

1753
01:35:48.479 --> 01:35:52.279
introverts and they they they're satisfaction level. They measured the

1754
01:35:52.279 --> 01:35:55.199
amount of emails they sent out. And for me being

1755
01:35:55.239 --> 01:35:57.800
an extrovert. I like, I like see people's face. I

1756
01:35:57.840 --> 01:35:59.680
want to have contact. I want to I don't know,

1757
01:35:59.680 --> 01:36:02.359
because you know, body language comes into place all those

1758
01:36:02.399 --> 01:36:06.239
nuances that make it so special. But anyway, that's just me.

1759
01:36:07.479 --> 01:36:09.800
Yeah, No, I think there is something to be said

1760
01:36:09.800 --> 01:36:14.560
about that. And especially when we're communicating face to face,

1761
01:36:15.520 --> 01:36:20.279
we're probably less prone to be aggressive in our conversation

1762
01:36:21.079 --> 01:36:24.680
if we're doing it and there's no particular person there.

1763
01:36:25.199 --> 01:36:27.039
I think we say and do things that we would

1764
01:36:27.119 --> 01:36:29.880
never say or do if we were talking one on

1765
01:36:29.880 --> 01:36:30.600
one with someone.

1766
01:36:31.439 --> 01:36:34.560
Well, Lenn Lunchends is always appreciate you coming on the show.

1767
01:36:34.600 --> 01:36:37.840
Glenn is a licensed marriage and family therapist with focus

1768
01:36:37.920 --> 01:36:40.079
on the family. Where can the folks go to find

1769
01:36:40.119 --> 01:36:43.920
out more about loneliness and you know, get some enlightenment?

1770
01:36:44.319 --> 01:36:46.680
Okay, two things. One is that can come to our

1771
01:36:46.760 --> 01:36:50.960
website focus on the Family dot com and we have

1772
01:36:51.039 --> 01:36:56.520
a lot of stuff marriage, loneliness, just a variety of things. Also,

1773
01:36:56.520 --> 01:36:59.079
if they wanted to speak with a counselors, it's not

1774
01:36:59.199 --> 01:37:03.319
a counselor session, but it's a consultation, a one time consultation.

1775
01:37:03.720 --> 01:37:05.960
They can call us at one eight hundred The letter A,

1776
01:37:06.159 --> 01:37:09.079
and then family and then ask to speak with a

1777
01:37:09.159 --> 01:37:10.279
counselor Well.

1778
01:37:10.279 --> 01:37:13.439
Glenn Lunchins always appreciate you. Thank you, God blessed, take care.

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