Sept. 26, 2025
The Bill Martinez Show 09 26 25
The Bill Martinez Show 09 26 25
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Yeah, Okay, let's do it.
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Bill Martinez Live a program about current events, our culture,
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our values, our politics, and our future.
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And now Bill Martinez.
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Six minutes after the top of the hour, Good morning America,
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Bill Martinez here with George Barna. Doctor George, how are.
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You doing well?
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Good to see you though, if things calm down there
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in the neighborhood after all the festivities the memorial, I mean,
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when was the last time you saw so many people
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go to a church service that lasted over four hours? George?
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Yeah, yeah, and it wasn't a black congregation. So I
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recently got back from Africa. That's fairly common over there,
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but it's alable here. So yeah, that's that was a
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heck of.
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A day, Yeah, with without a doubt. And for some people,
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you know, they were they were in line, they were
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cued up at two o'clock in the morning, you know,
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to make sure that they got a seat, and they
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turned away thousands because there just wasn't enough room at
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the end. But you know, it's I think we're still
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looking to hear the numbers of actual viewers they had.
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But no doubt when you think about you know, God
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said there's going to be that time when the Gospel
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goes out to all the ends of the earth. And
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I think we got pretty close here, George.
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And you know, the thing that I was thinking about
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last week was why would the Lord take Charlie now
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or allow him to be taken? Because his ministry was growing,
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it was flourishing, it was reaching more and more people.
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It's like, why would you take somebody then? And I
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don't know if this is right, but it occurred to me, Well,
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the Lord knows all, he can see all, and so
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it must mean that he realized by Charlie being murdered
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at that time, this time, it would have a greater
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impact than all the coming forty years or so of
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Charlie's ministry combined. And now his wife and others will
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be a will pick up that, you know, baton and
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keep running the race for him. But yeah, I mean
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it's I just think we've been talking about renewal and
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revival for so many years and it's always kind of
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petered out. I think this may be a different situation
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because of the nature of the dynamics of who was taken,
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how he was taken, and how the church has responded.
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And you bring up something here, and that is that
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sometimes people underestimate the price of revival. And you and
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I talked about this before, is that people are quick
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to talk about revival and going are you ready for this?
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I mean you're talking. Hey, we got to put it
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all on the down the line and understand that we've
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all fallen short of the glory of God. What does
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that mean? Well, what does it mean to be sinful? Well,
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when you come face to face with the glory of God,
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then you're like Isaiah God, I'm toast right.
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Yeah. And last week I wrote an article about all
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of this, saying, man, we've been praying and waiting for revival,
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and now we've got a lot of people interested. But
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it could be just like September eleventh.
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That's what I'm afraid of exactly. I'm glad you brought
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that up.
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Go ahead, Yeah, because when we did the research back
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then two thousand and one, and we were looking at
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what happened right after the attacks, churches were flooded, they
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couldn't hold all the people. There was such fear and
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anxiety and doubt and questioning and hope and all kinds
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of emotions, and people were coming there to say Okay,
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what do I make of all this exactly? And after
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six weeks started at about the four week mark, started
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to tail off, and after six weeks we were back
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at pre attack levels, and right after that we were
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actually a little bit lower. So my fear here is
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that we did not learn the lesson about what it
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takes to actually have revival, which is that once we
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peaked people's interests of the Holy Spirit, does something to
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get people interested on coming on board. It's not just well, great,
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we'll open up the doors and do business as usual.
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There's got to be a whole different approach the church
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in America. For the last at least forty years that
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I've been researching, it really has not been about making disciples.
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And I think that's why when we've had these moments
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in time where the Holy Spirit stirs something and people say, yeah,
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help me, Lord, you know, who are you, where are you,
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what are you?
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What are you doing?
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We're not there to come alongside these people and guide
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them through the process, much like Philip did with the
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Ethiopian Eunuch. I mean, there's got to be somebody there
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to explain it to them. That's what the eunuch was saying,
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who would explain this to me? And so Philip went
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on the ride with them. That's what we've got to do.
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We've got to get on the ride with them and
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accompany them through this process of understanding who God is,
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who Jesus was, why he died, What are sin means,
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what salvation is about, what a disciple is, what that
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life looks like, what it takes to maintain that over time,
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what the community of believers is about.
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I mean, there's so many things that have to be unpacked.
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It's not just enough to have them come in, say
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the prayer and walk out the back door and say
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job well done. It's not a job well done. We've
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probably done those people a greater disservice because at that
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point they think they got all the goods. Why wouldn't
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the Christians have told me everything, shown me, everything, delivered
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everything that I needed at that moment in time. Why
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would they leave me a half baked spiritual being and
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feel like they did the job and everything's fine. So
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that's my big fear for this moment in time for
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the church here.
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I share that with you, and we've been talking about
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it on our show as well, because I've put it
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in the context of branding. You know, what's the brand
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of your church? Is it consistent with a biblical worldview
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that you and I've been talking about. What since you
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and I met. I mean, you know, it's like fifteen
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seventeen years now, and we've been beating this drum, and
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I just see that just as Charlie saw that the
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whole process and and everything involved with a person's life
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made in the image of God and the higher calling
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for each one of us was freedom. That is God guaranteed.
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But away from God you lose the guarantee. The warranty expires.
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Right, Yeah, absolutely, But how many churches would you hear
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that in? I mean, think about the COVID era, where
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churches were not only willing to close, but then when
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they opened up, there really wasn't any discussion about what
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freedom means, what freedom takes, you know, what our responsibility
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is in that process, why God wants us to be free,
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what it looks like. So, I mean, those weren't the
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conversations that were taking place. I'm privileged to go to
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the church where Rob McCoy was pastor. He was the
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guy that opened up the memorial service yesterday and Charlie,
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you know, called Rob his pastor, and Charlie would come
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and speak at our church sometimes. But you know, I
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mean Rob would talk about that all the time because
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he understood this is the nature of the times.
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You have to understand the times and know what exactly.
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Like the Brothers is a car exact absolutely.
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Yes, But there were very few churches like that. There
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were some, and God bless them, and you know they exploded.
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They did great because people were hearing something that wasn't
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tickling their ears, it was challenging their souls. And that's
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what we need now is pastors who are going to
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stand there and challenge us to say, you know, it's
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not my job as the pastor to bring these people
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in and to do all the work of you know,
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justification and sanctification in their lives. It's us as a community.
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That's why we're a community. We do this together. And
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so anyone who's a disciple, wow, this is an exciting time,
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you know, I asked, I asked them. Based on our research,
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only three percent of adults in America fit the criteria
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Jesus gave us for being disciples. That three percent, now,
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is is the hinge point about the for the future
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of America. If we actually serve the Kingdom of God
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appropriately during this point in time, America will survive, America
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will thrive. If we don't, America's in trouble.
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Well, we've been in trouble for a long time. And
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you know we're down to that conversation between Abraham and
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the Spirit of God in saving you know, is there
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a possibility to save Sodom and Gomorrah? You know, how
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about if you find fifty, if you find forty, if
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you find you know, all the way down to five, right,
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and we're the numbers are are getting less and less
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by God's grace and mercy. You know, we've been given
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an opportunity and pray that we we don't waste it.
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I mean, you know the profits that came to the
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children of Israel, what did they do to the profits?
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And you know, as we know quite clearly, anyway, we
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got to go to quick break. We've got more from
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