Sept. 24, 2025
The Bill Martinez Show 09 24 25
The Bill Martinez Show 09 24 25
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Are you ready?
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Yeah, Okay, let's do it.
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Ill Martinez Live a program about current events, our culture,
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our values, our politics, and our future.
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And now Bill Martinez.
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Well, good morning America. Bill Martinez here. Great to have
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you with us. It's just about six minutes after the
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top of the hour. We've got Horace Cooper, nationally recognized
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legal commentator at Young fellow with the National Center for
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Public Policy Research, co chair of the Project twenty one
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National Advisory Board, and also, of course author. Did I
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mention that we'll talk more about that in just a moment, Horace,
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Good morning to you.
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Good morning, It's always great to come on the program.
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Well, Charlie Kirk, he believed in God, America and our constitution, Horace,
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and for that the left, you know, radicals on the left,
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believe that they had to take him out.
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I guess you know you and I have talked about
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this quite often. Our founder's premised America as a place where,
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instead of the King issuing an edict that we had
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to comply with, each and every citizen's job was to
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persuade each and every other citizen's job. We have a
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First Amendment precisely because we wanted to give the space
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for persuasion. Charlie Kirk embodied this idea, But there are
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many on the left who do not believe in persuasion.
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And you say, well, Cooper, you're exaggerating. Think back to
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COVID right if you dissented. Instead of saying, oh, why
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don't you show up here at the university, or why
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don't we find some place in New York City where
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we can debate it. It's if you're a doctor, we're
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gonna throw to take away your licensing authority. If you're
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not a doctor but some other kind of prominent person,
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we're gonnadox you and get your employer to fire you.
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In fact, there was no space for conversation exact and
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as a consequence of no space up for conversation, millions
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and millions and millions of Americans concluded, Oh, I know
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the dirty little secret. This is dangerous.
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Yes.
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My point is our founders intended for conversation to lead
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to persuasion. Charlie Kirk embodied this and his assassin, and
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too many people on the left believe I'm not gonna
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respond with a great argument, I am instead going to
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silence you. That is not the American way.
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Everything about our Constitution is you certainly are aware. I mean,
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you've forgotten more about the Constitution than I'll ever learn
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as a constitutional professor in that and as an attorney
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who believes in the Constitution. Everything about it is, it
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has its pace and its heartbeat. There isn't you know.
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It's not one of those documents that is based on expediency, right.
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I mean, we've got to process these things, and particularly
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our First Amendment, right. And I think that over the
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years we've kind of lost context about how this process
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should be vetted out, especially with the left as they
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get more and more impatient, and you know, if you
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don't agree with them, yes, they're going to dox you
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and or worse yet, they'll just take you out.
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And one of the things that has been most troubling
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about our American system has been the pushed by the
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left to turn what the founders intended, that there is
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all of this space that is for you and I
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to operate free from government restraint to what is now
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a limited amount of space for us to operate and
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the government to do everything else. And Charlie Kirk was
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showing us that you know what, you and I can
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be trusted that's right. Excuse me, I'm not telling people
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not to take a vaccine. I am telling people that
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it's a decision that they should be free to make.
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You use your best judgment. In the state of Texas
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where I am, if you want to ride a motorcycle
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and you don't want to put a helmet on, that's
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a decision that you have the space and freedom to make.
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What the left did and what they have done with
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so many areas is there is no discussion. You will
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do this or you will be punished. Now, when I'm
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driving down the road, I don't have a motorcycle. Guess
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what I see lots of people wearing their helmet. It's
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not because they're required to, It's because they've made a
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choice exactly. Charlie Kirk was trying to help us as
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a nation understand this important and critical point. And it
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was through his efforts and those of advocates of free
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speech and many people in the federalist society and conservative
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judges that were reversing the idea government is not the
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first answer. Our personal space ought to be the first answer.
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And then we move up where we start with local,
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we go to state, and then we go to federal
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We absolutely need to continue along this journey exactly. One
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big beautiful bill helped us to get into that direction.
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But there's still a lot more work to do.
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Yeah, without a doubt. You know you talk about that
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personal space, and Horace, I'm glad you brought this up
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because in that personal space, I believe that's where our
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God given freedoms lie.
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Do they not?
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Amen? Absolutely? And I you know, I'm a big advocate
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of capital punishment. I believe that there are certain crimes
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for which there must be a price paid. But I
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have always believed that before you go, you the accused,
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we send in the faith representative of your choice to
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let you get right with your creator. What's happening here
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has come to an end, but I still want to
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give you And if I'm willing to do that for
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the most dastardly accused, how much more so should our
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society do that for you in your day to day life.
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Your employer. There was a time where your employer couldn't
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tell you to take off the cross around us that's
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on a chain around you. Right now you have to
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go into court and sue to force your employer to
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let you do this. The space the personal space is
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intricately related to faith, and one of the things that
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Charlie Kirk led with was faith and the importance of
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faith and how faith, particularly as found and described in
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the New Testament, provides an amazing pathway for joy, happiness
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and success in your life.
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Is it not the predicate of our constitution? Horse Well?
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Absolutely. Our founders believed that it was essential that we
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had people with morals who were going to make the decisions.
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And in fact, again I can use COVID, but there
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are other instances where it's obvious that people aren't using morals.
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I don't mean to say this in a cruel way,
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and I will try to say this in the kindest
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way possible. The homosexual lifestyle isn't just an immral choice.
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It's a harmful choice for the individual. We are increasingly
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seeing data that shows that there are psychological consequences that
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are Socialdate it with this. If you can't speak freely
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to warn people about these kinds of things, you curse
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them to life that is unhappy and is miserable and
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leads to the lack or loss of joy.
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We've got to go to a quick break. We've got
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more from Horace Cooper. After this stay with us.
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Welcome back Bill Martinez here along with Tooris Scooper, the
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constitutional former law professor and recognize legal commentator Well Horace
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to kind of wrap and summarize this incredible memorial. I mean,
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when was the last time you saw so many people
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of faith and not even a faith at a church
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service that lasted over four hours.
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I'm telling you, the prison worship service was unbelievable. It
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was amazing. You couldn't watch this and not be touched.
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And then when speakers came, every single one, it was
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I don't want to minimize this, but it was like
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going to one of the most amazing restaurants ever to
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be experienced, and the first course comes out and you're like, oh,
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this is wonderful. The second course comes up, this is better,
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and it just kept getting to be more amazing. The
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cellar of the loss of the life of a martyr
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for faith and for freedom, sends the signal about just
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how important what he was doing was.
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Yeah, and amazing to see the demographics there in the audience.
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I mean it's estimated, you know, somewhere of one hundred
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