Sept. 23, 2025

The Bill Martinez Show 09 23 25

The Bill Martinez Show 09 23 25
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The Bill Martinez Show 09 23 25
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Are you ready? Yeah, Okay, let's do it.

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Ill Martinez Live a program about current events, our culture,

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our values, our politics, and our future.

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And now Bill Martinez.

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Hey, right now, six minutes after the top, they are

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Bill Martinez here. Great to have you with us. It's

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also great to have Christina Bob back with us to

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talk about her new book. Christina, welcome back. Good to

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have you with us.

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Great, Thank you so much. I'm so excited to be here.

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Well, I'm excited to talk about Defiant. Yeah. I mean,

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let's pull back the shroud here and do some investigation.

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And you've done a lot of hard work to help

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us understand because people are still scratching their heads over

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the Marlago raid. I mean, we know that the left

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gave us a narrative. The Biden administration wanted us to believe,

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you know, a bunch of manure. But you know, the

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American people are too smart for that.

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No, you're exactly right. I mean the story that the

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mainstream media told everybody, it's not accurate. And I'm sure

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that's a shock to everybody, right. Yeah, but my information

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about the mar Aologa case just came from my experience.

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It was I was the custodian of records for mar

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A Lago during that whole case. I was a staff

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attorney for President Trump at the time, and I had

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met with the Department of Justice and the FBI, and

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you know, we had several conversations which are all laid

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out in the book. With text messages, emails, you get

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to see the whole thing, so you can, you know,

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you can believe whatever you want. But I posture that

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the media has lied to you. They never had probable cause,

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they never should have opened a grand jury. I mean,

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where do you want to start. There's so many ways

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to dissect this.

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Well, this is brilliant. I mean, because the buck stops

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with you. You are the custodian.

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So yeah, I was the constodian of records and President

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Trump actually did the forward for the book, so you know,

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like it's legit. This is actually what.

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Happened, right exactly, so obviously, I mean, and just on

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the surface, I mean a lot of people understood. I mean,

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even the way the FBI laid out you know, the

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supposed evidence and things were all flown around state. Wait

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a minute, this you know this is a joke. Donald

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Trump and any pictures you've seen him in his office.

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Would never have anything this disruptive and disorganized?

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Oh no, of course not. I mean, and I saw

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them carry those classified cover sheets into the office. They

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wouldn't let me into the office. The wouldn't let me

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in the building to see what they were doing. But

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I could see them between the areas where they were searching,

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and I saw them carry those cover sheets into the office.

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And then you know, what, do you know? A picture

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leaks of classified documents strewn all over the floor. But

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they were never actually classified documents. They were just the

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cover sheets. There was not actually any documents with them.

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So they completely staged the whole thing. It was completely fake.

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They had to go to a conflicted judge who, by

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his own admission said that he was unable to be

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impartial in order to get a warrant, And even with that,

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they had to lie to that judge in order to

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get the warrant. They lied in their affidavit. They they

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were untruthful. They did not explain the entire circumstance. They

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did not say. Donald Trump himself told them to their

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faces that he would cooperate. He's like, what do you need,

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I'm lawfully entitled to everything I have, you know, what

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do you want? And they ignored him and just proceeded

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to raid the place. It's completely unconscionable what they did.

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And so I'm excited for the American public to actually

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see how it all went down.

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Well, and this gives us a timeline, and maybe you

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can summarize the timeline. You kind of touched on it

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a little bit here. I mean, you're the custodian. You

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are having ongoing conversations with Merrick Garland, I believe, or

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you know, at least.

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The DOJ attorneys Jesus, Yeah.

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Just apartment and so you're having ongoing conversations with them

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about it. But go ahead and break it down and

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give us some talk of you know, of the events.

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Yeah.

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So they've got a grand jury subpoena, which they never

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actually had probable cause to do. They And the part

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that I think people didn't the media didn't cover well

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back in twenty twenty two was all of this originated

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out of Washington, d C. You know, three years later

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we look back and say, but wait a minute, the

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case was in Florida. Everything transpired in Florida. Why did

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it start in Washington, D C? That was the only

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place they were able to get a grand jury subpoena,

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and I'm sure it's the only place they tried to

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get a grand jury subpoena. They actually put the grand

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jury together in Washington, d C. With the hopes of

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creating some sort of you know, Hillary Clinton email scandal

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type espionage case. And they wanted to prosecute him in Washington,

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d C. So that's where they opened the grand jury because.

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The odds are very much in their favor with voting

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Democrat right one.

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Percent, one hundred percent, and so that's why they opened

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the grand jury in d C. Then with that grand

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jury is where they got the the probable cause or

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not the probable cause. That's where they issued the subpoena

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to Donald Trump and his team for the documents.

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Was there any warning whatsoever that they were proceeding with

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a subpoena even though you'd been talking with them and

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being open with them, and they had just met with you.

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Didn't they just meet there at mar Lago a month

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or two?

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Yeah, Yeah, So I didn't get involved until they issued

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the subpoena. So from the subpoena, which that's really I mean,

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that's the beginning of the case. Right, So whatever they

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were doing before they opened the grand jury, I don't know.

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President Trump had his defense council, but his defense you know,

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the Department of Justice lied to the defense team. They

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were incredibly misleading about the entire thing. They were trying

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to create a scenario to justify raiding mar A Lago,

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which they never had. They never had probable cause to

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raid mar A Lago, and they never had justification for

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what they were doing. But of course that didn't stop them, right,

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so they they issued the subpoena. President Trump's defense council

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was having back and forth discussions with them. He agreed

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and President Trump, President Trump actually invited them to Marlaco.

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So they flew from Washington, d c. To meet with

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the defense counsel and then I joined that meeting, and

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then the President came in and out. He joined for

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you know, a couple minutes and left. But in that time,

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this was in June of twenty twenty two. In that time,

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we said, you know, we don't understand what you're looking for.

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He's lawfully entitled to everything he has. The Presidential Records

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Act covers all of his you know, all of the

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documents he took from the White House, so we're not

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really sure what you need, but you know, you're welcome

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to see anything. President Trump himself joins the meeting and says,

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you know, you're welcome to see whatever you want. You know,

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make sure make sure you show them around.

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Was o're there, You're hearing the president say this. Yes,

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this it's an anecdotally passed on you know, like a telephone,

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you know, message or anything like that.

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I am an eyewitness. I am an eyewitness to the

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whole exchange. And then when they leave, you know, we

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showed him whatever they wanted to see. And then when

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they left, we said, if there's anything else, you know,

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let us know, you're welcome to you know, what else

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do you want to see now or if there's anything

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else later, if you've got any questions, let us know

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and we'll we'll a coomminate you nothing. They went straight

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to a raid. They lied to the judge. They said

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that President Trump wasn't being cooperative, that he was obstructive.

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You saw that all over the media, saying Donald Trump

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was obstructing, obstructing justice. He you know, he didn't want

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them to access his documents or you know whatever. They

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were saying. Whatever they were saying, none of it was true,

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is never based on reality, total lie, complete lie.

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Right now, did they asked for anything at all when

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they were there with you, like, hey, can we take

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these documents?

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Yeah?

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Yeah, we gave them to him.

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Oh so they did ask for specific documents and you

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just turned it over to them.

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Uh.

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They asked for documents that they believed were classified, and

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we said, sure, you can have them. Well we turn

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it all over right in the in. I mean, it's

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it's mind bugg. I cannot wait for people to rea this,

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to understand how different reality is from what the mainstream

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media was telling you. It is nothing like what you saw.

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But then that proceeded. Okay, so then they go to

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a raid. Right, they know President Trump's being cooperative, they

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don't care. They're gonna tell everybody he's obstructing justice and

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everyone will just believe them because they're the Department of Justice,

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and we always believe the Department of Justice. So of course, right,

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So they just lied to the judge, they lied to

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the press, they lied to everybody. They leaked pictures that

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they had staged, as you mentioned, with those cover documents.

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But so they secure this warrant with Judge Bruce Reinhardt

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down in Florida, who like six weeks prior, was the

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judge on the Trump Clinton case and he had to

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recuse himself because he said he was unable to be impartial,

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and so he recused himself from that case. Well, he's

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unable to be impartial because he was supportive of Hillary Clinton.

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He could not be impartial towards Donald Trump. Was his reason.

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That came from the judge. Those were his words, and

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then that's the judge they go to to get this ward,

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and the affidavit was untruthful. You know, it didn't disclose

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all the prior meetings and everything exactly.

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They we gotta go to a quick break. We'll pick

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it up on the other side. More from Christina Bob

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Bill Martinez here with Christina Bob talking about a brand

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new book, Defiant inside the Marlago rate and the left

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ongoing law fair. You got me making notes like crazy.

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I mean, this is imy again. Just what we said

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at the beginning. Christina was the custodian. She's there. I mean,

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this is you know, she was an eyewitness, an ear

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witness to all that happened there when the FBI came

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in and rated Marlago, and she's breaking down the story

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and of course the details we can't possibly touch on

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all the details. That's why you got to get the book. Okay, Defiant,

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all right, So let's go ahead and pick it up

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where we left off Christina.

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Right, So they obtained this, you know, cray warrant from

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a conflicted judge that they had lied to. In order

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to get it, they raided mar a Lago. No, the

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actual rate itself is very interesting because now we've seen

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John Bolton's raids. Right, so we've seen how the Trump administration,

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how Cash Betel's FBI has raided a political opponent, versus

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what happened to Donald Trump. The interesting difference is with

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Cash Battel, he came out the morning of the raid

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of the Bolton residents and said, hey, no one is

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above the law. We're doing He took ownership right away.

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The FBI came out and said, we have a search

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warrant for John Bolton's home. We are raiding John Bolton's home.

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So they took ownership of it right away, and they said,

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this is what we're doing. We are on lawful ground,

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We've got all the legal documents required to do this,

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and we're moving forward doing this. That did not happen

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with the mar A Lago raid. With the mar A

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Lago raid, they were trying to keep it a secret,

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like they did not want anybody to know they were there.

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They didn't No, CNN was not there. I don't know

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how that story came out, but well.

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I thought, I thought, didn't they have cameras there? Okay?

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They all right? No get more lies than huh okay.

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Yeah, nobody knew about it. No one was told and

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so I don't I've heard that so many people have

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asked me that about that, And I don't know how

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that got started. But but they they kept their lights off,

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their sirens off, They were very quiet. You wouldn't know

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from the outside anything was going on until Donald Trump

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ten hours later. Whatever, Donald Trump was the one that

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disclosed it. It wasn't the Department of Justice or the FBI.

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It was Donald Trump saying, hey, they're raiding my home.

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And that's when everybody, maybe that's when CNN showed up

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or you know, a bunch of people showed up to

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try to figure out what was going on with mar Lago.

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But after that, it took Merrick Garland the Biden White

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House for three days played stupid. They were like, oh

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my gosh, how on earth did mar Alago get raided?

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We have no idea what happened here? That is so weird.

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And then Merritt Garland three days later sheepishly held a

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pathetic little press conference and said, yeah, I authorized this,

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This was mine. Christopher Ray, the FBI director, never took

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responsibility for it. He hid from the whole thing. And

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so you have they basically got caught. They weren't planning

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on just closing the fact that they had raided mar

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A Lago, and then they got stuck because now the

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whole world knows that they rated mar A Lago and

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they have to go to a grand jury to present

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probable cause. It's a very very low standard. Everyone knows

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you can indict a ham sandwich, so very low standard.

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They could not get an indictment in Washington, d C.

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They did not have even they could not they could

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not get an indictment, which they didn't have a crime.

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They thought, for sure, if I just raid mar Alago,

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we'll find enough evidence of something to, you know, to

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say that he's a criminal. They found nothing. They got

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absolutely nothing, and so they couldn't present the question to

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the grand jury because there was no evidence of any crime.

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There was there was nothing for them to rely on.

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So at that point they had to shift down to Florida,

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which is why the case ended up in Florida. They

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never wanted to bring a case against down Trump and Florida.

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They did it because they had to justify the raid,

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and they brought a stupid obstruction obstruction of justice case

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that everybody knew was gonna get thrown out. It was

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never going to be anything, which obviously it did. But

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that's why the case ended up in Florida was because

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they couldn't get it in Washington.

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D C.

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Was this a total ploy to interfere with the president's reelection.

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And also was there something else, Christine, you know, was

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there something that the Justice Department was looking for that

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maybe Donald Trump had in that paperwork?

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Yeah?

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I get that question a lot, and it's possible, you know,

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I don't know, quite honestly, I don't think they got anything.

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I don't think there was anything of value to anybody.

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They literally rated his storage closet like you're junk drawer.

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Imagine a drunk a junk drawer at mar A Lago.

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Does Donald Trump have a junk drawer?

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I mean he doesn't have junk He's no.

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I'm just saying no, I'm just thinking, you know, yeah,

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I think of my I can't imagine done having anything

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similar to that. But that's okay.

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I mean I didn't just trying to say anything he

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has as junke. But my point is it was a

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storage closet, like in a basement. It was not you know,

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it's it's not anything particularly special. But think about it.

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If you are like I'm going to go raid someone's

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hall closet, do you think you're gonna get like the

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really salacious stuff. No, it's just a hall closet, like

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you know, there's nothing to it. And so they got nothing,

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and so they were left holding the bag going, oh, no,

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what do we do? We've rated mar A Lago. And

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so what's interesting about that is hindsight being what it is,

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we can see that the wheels were falling off of

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this before jack Smith was ever appointed. He didn't. Jack

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Smith didn't get appointed until November of twenty twenty two.

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The raid was in August, so they had August, September, October,

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you know, three three and a half months to figure

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out that they didn't get anything from mar A Lago.

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There was nothing of value that they nothing of criminal

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value anyway, so they had enough time. It's it's interesting

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to me that I think their case was falling apart

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before jack Smith was ever appointed. But that's not what

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the media told us, right. The media was like, oh,

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jack Smith, is this you know, great prosecutor?

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Right, And basically it turns out to be an operative tool.

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Is his career done?

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You know, I don't know normally it should be, but

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you know, I mean he was willing to do incredibly

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illegal things. I think, you know, trying to bring a

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fake case, a case that had no probable cause against

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a former president and likely future president. That's pretty egregious.

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So I don't know that there's many people willing to

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do that kind of dirty work.

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So I don't know if doesn't the bar come in

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and take some responsibility and say, hey, this is one

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of ours, we need to clip the I mean, look

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at what they put John Eastman through.

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Oh yeah, I had to defend my bar lessons. Every

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every attorney who's ever represented Donald Trump, I assume, has

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had to defend their license at some point. So to

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either defend their license or has been as part I

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mean the left, they don't do it to the left.

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You know, the left doesn't defend their licenses.

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Well, Christina, I mean, how frustrating. I mean again, you know,

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with all that's happening right now in our country, the

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attack on conservatives, I mean to the point of an assassination.

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We had to you know, certainly two assassination attempts on

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the president. Of course, this assassination this past week on

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Charlie Kirk. This stuff has got to stop. I mean,

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this has been boiling for decades now, and it's gotten

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to an intolerable point that I'm very concerned that conservatives

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are going to snap.

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Well, I don't think we're gonna snap in a violent

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kind of way. But I do think we're rising up

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in a very strong political stance. I do think that's happening.

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And so I think the Left is digging their own grave.

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I mean, they're just doubling down and doubling down on

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policy issues that are not what the American people want,

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that are so out of touch with reality, that are

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are detrimental to the American way of life, and they're

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trying to shove it down our throats while demanding that

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we support them, when in reality we don't. And so

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I think we are seeing that shift. But the reality

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of what they're doing with the law fair. When Donald

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Trump says they're not after me, they're after you. I'm

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just in the way this book defiant is exactly what

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he's explaining. So I'm not Donald Trump, I'm not Rudy Giuliani,

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I'm not Steve Bannon or Peter Navarro. I'm you know,

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a lowly little staff attorney supporting the president. And I

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got absolutely hammered. I mean I was investigated by the

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Department of Justice, the FBI, the State of Arizona, the

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California State Bar. I had the Department of Homeland security

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after me. I was subpoenaed six or seven times. I

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mean the amount of Lawfair went through. I was sued,

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I was sued by dominion, I mean I went I

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went through her like just a horrific period of time.

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I'm that's got to be a whole other book.

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Right, Well, it's in this one. It's a lot of it.

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You did you put that in there?

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Well, yeah, a lot of the stories in there. And

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I think that's honestly, I think that's the most important piece.

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The marologos have is very interesting and very salacious, but

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my personal story actually applies to the American people, so

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people can understand what's at stake for all of us.

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And so yeah, I think this is a really important

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story for people to understand.

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Well, you said, it's right that it is against Trump,

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and it's against the people that voted for Donald Trump.

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You want this agenda, that that the agenda is being impeded,

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the people's bequest is being impeded by all this law

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pair that is being brought to you by you know,

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one party. But this is the thing that George Washington

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warned us about by having this partisan you know, party politics,

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that this is what it would come to and it

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seems like here we are and we're experiencing the worst

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of it.

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Yeah, you're exactly right.

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Well, Christina Bob, congratulations on the book. Wow, what a

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bombshell and a great read. Ladies and gentlemen, you're going

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we've got my good friend Jeff Careerer join us.

531
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Now.

532
00:27:12.279 --> 00:27:14.559
Hey, Jeff, good morning Bill.

533
00:27:14.640 --> 00:27:16.440
It's great to be with you. Thanks for having me.

534
00:27:16.519 --> 00:27:17.720
Yeah, great to be with you.

535
00:27:18.480 --> 00:27:18.640
Boy.

536
00:27:18.680 --> 00:27:22.759
I'll tell you, the Dems just cannot help themselves. I mean,

537
00:27:23.079 --> 00:27:27.480
they're so ideologically fixed that they've not only rendered themselves stupid,

538
00:27:27.519 --> 00:27:32.839
they've rendered themselves absolutely mean spirited. I mean, what are

539
00:27:32.880 --> 00:27:35.160
they trying to do to our country, you know, to

540
00:27:35.799 --> 00:27:39.240
really pour this poison into the body politic.

541
00:27:40.920 --> 00:27:44.519
You know, all they have to offer is hate. We've

542
00:27:44.519 --> 00:27:47.440
seen it since Trump really burst on the scene. They've

543
00:27:47.440 --> 00:27:50.640
been so anti Trump. They've got this what we call

544
00:27:51.200 --> 00:27:55.920
Trump's arrangement syndrome, and they extended in pretty much all

545
00:27:55.960 --> 00:27:59.640
their interactions with the MAGA movement. I mean, they've labeled

546
00:27:59.720 --> 00:28:03.839
us racists, they've labeled us the enemies.

547
00:28:03.440 --> 00:28:04.079
Of the US.

548
00:28:04.160 --> 00:28:08.079
And then you know, their actions after the tragic assassination

549
00:28:08.160 --> 00:28:11.119
of Charlie Kirk has been despicable. I wrote about it

550
00:28:11.160 --> 00:28:14.160
in my last column. I'm just appalled that you've got

551
00:28:14.240 --> 00:28:17.279
so many Democrats. He had one hundred and eighteen that

552
00:28:17.359 --> 00:28:21.240
wouldn't even support a resolution honoring Charlie Kirk. I mean

553
00:28:22.359 --> 00:28:28.440
after assassination, people would come together, express remorse, unify. They

554
00:28:28.440 --> 00:28:30.319
can't do it, Bill, they can't do it, they don't

555
00:28:30.319 --> 00:28:30.880
want to do it.

556
00:28:31.319 --> 00:28:34.200
Well, the thing is is that even in its broadest terms,

557
00:28:34.319 --> 00:28:37.200
this was a political assassination. We can talk about it

558
00:28:37.240 --> 00:28:42.079
being a Christian persecution and a spiritual assassination, you could

559
00:28:42.079 --> 00:28:44.839
probably pull that, but in the broadest sense it was

560
00:28:44.880 --> 00:28:48.160
a political assassination. You got to think at this point

561
00:28:48.240 --> 00:28:50.160
all politicians would be a little nervous.

562
00:28:52.240 --> 00:28:54.839
Well, I mean, you know, Charlie Kirk had such courage

563
00:28:54.880 --> 00:28:58.759
to go on to these college campuses and preach the truth.

564
00:28:59.160 --> 00:29:00.000
Yes, and he was.

565
00:29:00.039 --> 00:29:01.680
Putting his life on the line every time.

566
00:29:01.920 --> 00:29:03.759
And I think there are going to be some they

567
00:29:03.759 --> 00:29:05.920
are going to be reluctant to do it in the aftermath,

568
00:29:06.000 --> 00:29:08.759
because you know, there's not enough security. You've got to

569
00:29:08.759 --> 00:29:13.039
bring your own security. It's amazingly expensive. You've got so

570
00:29:13.079 --> 00:29:15.759
many hateful people on the left. Look at what just

571
00:29:15.759 --> 00:29:18.279
happened over the last few days. You had a guy

572
00:29:18.400 --> 00:29:21.759
yelling free Palestine shoot up a country club. You had

573
00:29:21.759 --> 00:29:24.240
a left to shoot up an ABC station because they

574
00:29:24.240 --> 00:29:25.359
took off Jimmy Kimmel.

575
00:29:25.720 --> 00:29:26.680
I mean, it's they.

576
00:29:26.640 --> 00:29:30.519
They respond with hatred and violence, and Jill, I don't

577
00:29:30.559 --> 00:29:34.319
want to hear the whole uh you know, political equivalency,

578
00:29:34.480 --> 00:29:35.599
that it's the same.

579
00:29:36.599 --> 00:29:37.519
Yeah, yeah, exactly.

580
00:29:37.599 --> 00:29:40.039
That's ridiculous. It's one sided.

581
00:29:39.720 --> 00:29:43.839
Bill, especially when they try to present data that is

582
00:29:43.880 --> 00:29:46.240
in air to begin with. I mean, you can shoot

583
00:29:46.240 --> 00:29:49.920
holes through it three ways to Sunday and you know,

584
00:29:50.240 --> 00:29:53.240
and it's just it is, it's disgusting. And I think

585
00:29:53.319 --> 00:29:56.960
that more and more conservatives, in light of, you know,

586
00:29:57.039 --> 00:29:59.160
the murder of Charlie Kirk, has just said I've had

587
00:29:59.200 --> 00:30:01.039
it with it, you know, Jeff, you and I for

588
00:30:01.079 --> 00:30:04.039
the last several years have been warning people about the rhetoric,

589
00:30:04.079 --> 00:30:07.119
that it was heating up and that you know, in

590
00:30:07.119 --> 00:30:11.559
some sense not surprised that this assassination occurred, and that

591
00:30:11.880 --> 00:30:14.160
unless we do something about it, there's going to be

592
00:30:14.200 --> 00:30:18.519
more to come. And these Democrats who refuse to understand

593
00:30:18.559 --> 00:30:22.799
that to realize that it's not about party politics. It's

594
00:30:22.880 --> 00:30:24.720
just about human decency, isn't it.

595
00:30:26.279 --> 00:30:29.119
Well, it is, it's about you know, recognizing the value

596
00:30:29.160 --> 00:30:31.359
of human life. I mean, it seems like some of

597
00:30:31.400 --> 00:30:34.799
these folks have no recognition of the value of human life,

598
00:30:34.839 --> 00:30:37.359
and maybe you could make the argument that it begins

599
00:30:38.160 --> 00:30:40.599
with the unborn. I mean, they don't value life at

600
00:30:40.640 --> 00:30:42.920
all stages. They don't value the life of the unborn.

601
00:30:42.920 --> 00:30:45.759
They don't value the life of their political opponents. I mean,

602
00:30:45.799 --> 00:30:49.319
they deal in death and destruction. And we're seeing the

603
00:30:49.359 --> 00:30:54.279
consequences of their horrible philosophy throughout our country. But here's

604
00:30:54.319 --> 00:30:57.000
the bright side to all this bill. We've seen a

605
00:30:57.039 --> 00:31:01.200
tremendous outpouring since the assassination of Charlie Kirk. People going

606
00:31:01.240 --> 00:31:05.880
back to church, people considering families and marriage, and I

607
00:31:05.880 --> 00:31:09.279
think people looking at the value of the MAGA movement

608
00:31:09.359 --> 00:31:11.319
and there and the Republican Party. I mean, I think

609
00:31:11.319 --> 00:31:16.000
this could be a turning point right American history.

610
00:31:16.039 --> 00:31:18.720
I really do. I think the consequences are that massive.

611
00:31:19.400 --> 00:31:23.759
Well, in the you know, latter days of his uh

612
00:31:23.799 --> 00:31:27.440
you know, of his conversation with young men, Charlie was

613
00:31:27.480 --> 00:31:30.400
focused on, you know, raising young men, saying, hey, look

614
00:31:30.400 --> 00:31:33.039
at you got a man up. You know, you've got

615
00:31:33.079 --> 00:31:38.799
to be the responsible husband, the responsible father, the responsible

616
00:31:38.880 --> 00:31:42.799
producer for your family, and uh, you know, and I

617
00:31:42.880 --> 00:31:44.799
and I think that some of these young men were

618
00:31:44.839 --> 00:31:48.240
hearing this. They needed the year that and uh, and

619
00:31:48.279 --> 00:31:51.920
we're responding now. You make mention that you know a

620
00:31:51.920 --> 00:31:54.400
lot of these young people are going to church, and

621
00:31:54.440 --> 00:31:57.279
I've been telling the churches you need to be prepared.

622
00:31:57.359 --> 00:31:59.960
Do not let this be a nine to eleven moment.

623
00:32:00.359 --> 00:32:02.839
If you remember, in nine to eleven, people went to

624
00:32:02.960 --> 00:32:06.400
church looking for answers, and they went there and then

625
00:32:06.599 --> 00:32:09.400
all of a sudden, the people just got disinterested within

626
00:32:09.799 --> 00:32:12.559
you know, three to four weeks because the church, the

627
00:32:12.680 --> 00:32:16.880
churches were irrelevant. The churches themselves need to take an

628
00:32:16.880 --> 00:32:20.119
inventory to say, Okay, what are we putting out there?

629
00:32:20.640 --> 00:32:24.960
And these young kids, they are really looking for the truth.

630
00:32:25.000 --> 00:32:26.880
I mean the reason that Charlie was such a breath

631
00:32:26.880 --> 00:32:29.440
of fresh air on the college campuses because as you said,

632
00:32:29.480 --> 00:32:32.279
he was bringing the truth to these kids and they

633
00:32:32.319 --> 00:32:34.519
were hearing it and they were connecting and going, oh

634
00:32:34.559 --> 00:32:36.799
my god, I'm not as crazy as I thought it was.

635
00:32:36.880 --> 00:32:38.839
Or my professor was telling me, right.

636
00:32:39.720 --> 00:32:43.039
You know, he would do more in three hours than

637
00:32:43.119 --> 00:32:45.559
they would get in four years in some of these

638
00:32:45.599 --> 00:32:49.680
colleges and universities. He would counteract the indoctrination with the truth.

639
00:32:50.119 --> 00:32:52.400
And they were scared of that three hour time that

640
00:32:52.440 --> 00:32:55.279
he had in these campuses, and of course they responded

641
00:32:55.319 --> 00:32:58.839
to his free speech with a bullet and violence. But yeah,

642
00:32:58.880 --> 00:33:00.680
I think as far as his mess to young men,

643
00:33:00.720 --> 00:33:02.640
as you were saying, I mean, look at I mean,

644
00:33:02.680 --> 00:33:03.960
look what's happened to young men.

645
00:33:04.119 --> 00:33:06.200
I mean they've been demonized.

646
00:33:06.880 --> 00:33:10.160
You know, we've had a pushing towards the feminine in

647
00:33:10.200 --> 00:33:11.559
all aspects of life.

648
00:33:11.960 --> 00:33:13.000
Young men are lost.

649
00:33:13.920 --> 00:33:17.359
You have a few of them, you know, succeeding today

650
00:33:17.400 --> 00:33:20.880
the mediate years ago. So then there's Charlie Kirk telling him, hey,

651
00:33:20.880 --> 00:33:25.400
there's a different way, you know, be responsible, be a husband,

652
00:33:25.480 --> 00:33:28.039
be a father, and that there was such a different

653
00:33:28.039 --> 00:33:31.640
message than they're hearing from society at large. And I

654
00:33:31.680 --> 00:33:34.359
want others to keep that message going and to pick

655
00:33:34.440 --> 00:33:37.160
up that baton and keep going. And I think there's

656
00:33:37.160 --> 00:33:38.799
going to be I mean, I think there's going to

657
00:33:38.839 --> 00:33:40.960
be a lot of Charlie Kirk's out there now.

658
00:33:41.559 --> 00:33:43.319
Well, these young men need to be encouraged to get

659
00:33:43.359 --> 00:33:46.279
out of their parents' basemen, get off the social media

660
00:33:47.039 --> 00:33:50.759
and engage the culture, you know, like Charlie. I mean,

661
00:33:50.839 --> 00:33:54.640
Charlie was reading one hundred books a year. He was

662
00:33:55.039 --> 00:33:58.279
self taught. Incredible, I mean and he's doing this as

663
00:33:58.319 --> 00:34:01.079
he's running a massive word organization.

664
00:34:00.960 --> 00:34:03.319
Right, you know, it's incredible.

665
00:34:03.359 --> 00:34:05.920
I mean, the guy who was so knowledgeable, so intelligent,

666
00:34:06.200 --> 00:34:08.480
that's why he went to the campus and said, hey,

667
00:34:08.880 --> 00:34:13.800
I'll come prove you'll take on anybody. Yeah, and he

668
00:34:13.800 --> 00:34:17.039
could debate anyone. And it was so refreshing. And I

669
00:34:17.079 --> 00:34:19.559
do want to say that, you know, he did it

670
00:34:19.599 --> 00:34:22.719
in a jovial way. He did it in a respectful way.

671
00:34:23.199 --> 00:34:26.480
He believed in a good conversation with the other side.

672
00:34:27.159 --> 00:34:31.199
He gave them the respect that they deserved. And I

673
00:34:31.199 --> 00:34:33.360
think that was so refreshing about him. I mean, he's

674
00:34:33.519 --> 00:34:36.800
just a great role model going forward for so many

675
00:34:36.800 --> 00:34:39.519
people and so many different aspects of his life that

676
00:34:39.599 --> 00:34:42.920
I think we can learn from and carry that forward.

677
00:34:42.960 --> 00:34:46.039
I think it has just been an amazing two weeks bill.

678
00:34:46.159 --> 00:34:53.119
Without its well. Erica, I'll tell you boy, as the

679
00:34:53.199 --> 00:35:00.000
new CEO of TPUSA, solidified her leadership in more ways.

680
00:35:00.280 --> 00:35:04.280
One first of all, forgiving the young man who killed

681
00:35:04.280 --> 00:35:07.280
her husband and the father of her children. I mean,

682
00:35:07.400 --> 00:35:10.920
that was like the most poignant moment, yes, of the

683
00:35:11.079 --> 00:35:15.519
entire memorial. I think will be frozen in time. That

684
00:35:15.760 --> 00:35:21.880
moment also when She talked about the comparison that you know,

685
00:35:22.920 --> 00:35:26.519
after Charlie's death, you didn't see rioting, You didn't see

686
00:35:27.000 --> 00:35:30.239
people burning buildings or anything like that. What you saw

687
00:35:30.440 --> 00:35:35.360
was an outpouring of prayer, people going to God saying

688
00:35:35.679 --> 00:35:39.760
we don't understand this, but you do help us understand

689
00:35:39.800 --> 00:35:43.760
and help us, you know, as Charlie would say, you know, God,

690
00:35:43.800 --> 00:35:48.440
how can I serve you today? In light of Charlie's assassination? God,

691
00:35:48.480 --> 00:35:50.519
where do you want me to be?

692
00:35:52.360 --> 00:35:55.480
And that's well said bill Well said, And I think that's,

693
00:35:55.679 --> 00:35:57.679
you know, going to be the focus. And Erica, I

694
00:35:57.719 --> 00:36:01.800
think is tremendous. I mean, she's been and so poised

695
00:36:02.079 --> 00:36:05.159
in such a period of grief and show such leadership.

696
00:36:05.239 --> 00:36:07.079
I mean, I think she's going to be a tremendous CEO.

697
00:36:07.719 --> 00:36:11.079
But I want to touch on the and she did

698
00:36:11.119 --> 00:36:14.880
the Christian thing following an example of Jesus for giving

699
00:36:15.360 --> 00:36:19.480
the assassin of her husband. But just look at that guy,

700
00:36:19.800 --> 00:36:23.320
twenty two years old. He had a decent, good upbringing.

701
00:36:23.360 --> 00:36:26.920
It looked like a supportive family. He goes to college,

702
00:36:27.280 --> 00:36:31.000
seems to get lost there, then gets into this gaming

703
00:36:31.000 --> 00:36:35.320
community online community, develops a transgender relationship and then winds

704
00:36:35.400 --> 00:36:38.199
up shooting this man. So I mean that's just an

705
00:36:38.320 --> 00:36:41.519
indication right there of the lost young men that we're

706
00:36:41.519 --> 00:36:46.519
talking about here into the world of the internet getting

707
00:36:47.280 --> 00:36:51.159
radicalized by crazies. And that's the example of what we

708
00:36:51.199 --> 00:36:54.719
need to provide just the exact opposite. Get into real

709
00:36:54.760 --> 00:37:00.840
life as opposed to social media, to communicate with real people.

710
00:37:00.480 --> 00:37:02.400
And I think that can want to be the best

711
00:37:02.440 --> 00:37:03.880
results of this tragic event.

712
00:37:04.480 --> 00:37:06.880
Well, well, we pray for him and others like him,

713
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as you say, excellent point. I was also encouraged to

714
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pray for his parents. I mean, uh, I mean for

715
00:37:18.199 --> 00:37:20.960
all you know that that you you go through and

716
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raising a child, and here they are god fearing right

717
00:37:25.840 --> 00:37:31.679
people and conservatives and and they have a son. I

718
00:37:31.679 --> 00:37:34.840
mean that this could have happened to any family in America.

719
00:37:35.199 --> 00:37:38.639
It's happened to them, and I agree for them as well.

720
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Jeff, and and one hundred percent agree with you, and

721
00:37:41.960 --> 00:37:45.199
I agree for the parents of Charlie Kirk, yes, well,

722
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who lost their son to this island. So I mean,

723
00:37:48.440 --> 00:37:51.079
they're hurting people all over the country that we need

724
00:37:51.119 --> 00:37:53.760
to keep in our prayers, and you know, from this

725
00:37:54.159 --> 00:37:56.679
we can become a better country. And I think it's

726
00:37:56.679 --> 00:37:58.599
so great that the President's going to give him the

727
00:37:58.639 --> 00:38:03.559
Medal of Freedom. I think that's say worthy recipient. And

728
00:38:03.639 --> 00:38:06.880
Charlie Kirk and we got to just look at this.

729
00:38:07.039 --> 00:38:10.480
I mean, this is the first successful political assassination that

730
00:38:10.519 --> 00:38:16.199
we've had in our country since RFKA. Yeah, since you

731
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know Robert F. Kennedy the father, and that's why you know,

732
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with Robert F. Kennedy Junior there yesterday, that just brings

733
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it all full circle of what we've been dealing with.

734
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So we've got to make sure that this tragedy never

735
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happens again.

736
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Yeah, without a doubt. Jeff Cruerer, Louisiana's favorite son, political columnist,

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author of America's Last Chance. Jeff has always we appreciate

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Hey, good morning, fifteen minutes I'm making fourteen minutes before

815
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the top of the hour. Bill Martinez here and we

816
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got to Zach Menthler back with us with focus on

817
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the family. Hey, Zach, good morning. How are you.

818
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Hey, Bill, I am doing well.

819
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Good morning to you, and they grab me.

820
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On, well great have you on here? This memorial of

821
00:43:03.000 --> 00:43:07.800
Charlie Kirk, I think is going to have an impact

822
00:43:07.880 --> 00:43:12.880
beyond our comprehension. I mean, this is going to continue,

823
00:43:13.760 --> 00:43:17.519
God willing what Charlie had always prayed for and many

824
00:43:17.519 --> 00:43:21.159
of us have been praying for, as a revival. Hopefully

825
00:43:21.360 --> 00:43:26.159
that occurs. You're already seeing a response, particularly from these

826
00:43:26.199 --> 00:43:31.599
young kids. You know, we've got now according to TPUSA,

827
00:43:32.639 --> 00:43:36.800
which I think has somewhere around nine hundred chapters on

828
00:43:36.880 --> 00:43:41.400
college campuses. You know, I think I can't remember the

829
00:43:41.480 --> 00:43:45.639
number in high school, but still considering that, and then

830
00:43:45.679 --> 00:43:50.599
since Charlie's murder, I think now according to USA, they've

831
00:43:50.599 --> 00:43:54.840
got over sixty five thousand inquiries for new chapters, so

832
00:43:55.159 --> 00:43:57.000
they're going to be busy. In fact, even at the

833
00:43:57.000 --> 00:44:00.280
memorial they said, look at if you've applied, understand, you know,

834
00:44:01.000 --> 00:44:03.320
we'll get to it, and we're gonna work as hard

835
00:44:03.320 --> 00:44:06.960
as we can because that's what Charlie would want. And

836
00:44:07.159 --> 00:44:09.280
even at that, I'm sure Charlie, as he was known,

837
00:44:09.320 --> 00:44:10.320
to say, we need more.

838
00:44:11.159 --> 00:44:14.400
Yeah, yeah, that's actually absolutely right. And you know, there's

839
00:44:14.639 --> 00:44:17.119
I think there's twenty five thousand high school campuses and

840
00:44:17.159 --> 00:44:20.400
there's about five thousand colleges campuses in the whole United States,

841
00:44:20.679 --> 00:44:23.159
so that's about two applications per campus. So I think

842
00:44:23.159 --> 00:44:25.840
we could easily see Charlie's dream of having a TPUSA

843
00:44:26.000 --> 00:44:29.119
chapter on every high school campus easily accomplished. And you're

844
00:44:29.199 --> 00:44:32.119
right the memorial, I mean I watched several hours of

845
00:44:32.119 --> 00:44:35.960
it yesterday and every single person was calling somebody to

846
00:44:36.000 --> 00:44:39.800
faith in Christ, from different pastors, from worship leaders to

847
00:44:39.920 --> 00:44:43.000
government officials. It was just absolutely remarkable, and I think

848
00:44:43.039 --> 00:44:45.679
the revival that we've been praying for for so long

849
00:44:45.840 --> 00:44:48.719
might might certainly be taking place. You know, as the

850
00:44:48.800 --> 00:44:51.880
ancient church writer Tartolian, he said that the blood of

851
00:44:51.920 --> 00:44:53.480
the martyrs is the seed of.

852
00:44:53.440 --> 00:44:54.679
The church exactly.

853
00:44:54.719 --> 00:44:55.079
West.

854
00:44:55.079 --> 00:44:57.920
See that here with Charlie, where people are looking for

855
00:44:57.960 --> 00:45:01.880
something to live for, they're hoping defined purpose and meeting

856
00:45:01.920 --> 00:45:04.000
in their lives, and especially with gen Z. You know

857
00:45:04.079 --> 00:45:06.320
a lot of us have grown up and broken homes

858
00:45:06.320 --> 00:45:10.719
and a broken culture with endless entertainment and pornography, addictions,

859
00:45:11.280 --> 00:45:13.880
drug use, all of these different things that have caused

860
00:45:13.960 --> 00:45:16.400
us to wonder what is the purpose of life?

861
00:45:16.599 --> 00:45:16.679
Is?

862
00:45:16.760 --> 00:45:19.119
What can I give my life to? And Charlie, I

863
00:45:19.119 --> 00:45:22.920
think you just perfectly exemplified that, showing that you know,

864
00:45:23.360 --> 00:45:27.280
giving yourself and dying for your for family, for faith,

865
00:45:27.360 --> 00:45:29.599
for your country, these are things that are noble and

866
00:45:29.599 --> 00:45:31.920
they're worth dying for, and therefore they're worth living for.

867
00:45:32.000 --> 00:45:35.199
And so I think with gen Z, we're looking for

868
00:45:35.239 --> 00:45:38.159
something else, and Charlie is providing through the example and

869
00:45:38.199 --> 00:45:41.159
through his words, through his teaching, that just exactly what

870
00:45:41.199 --> 00:45:41.880
we're looking for.

871
00:45:42.519 --> 00:45:44.760
Do you find it ironic that the very thing, as

872
00:45:44.760 --> 00:45:48.000
you say, gen Z and these young people were looking

873
00:45:48.039 --> 00:45:52.360
for were kind of shocked when Charlie came to the

874
00:45:52.400 --> 00:45:56.599
campus to bring that solution to them. I mean, they

875
00:45:56.639 --> 00:45:59.199
were still you know, you could tell they were still

876
00:45:59.760 --> 00:46:02.920
they quite believe it. Yeah, you might say they were

877
00:46:02.960 --> 00:46:07.760
stubborn understandably. I mean, you've been indoctrinated by your professors.

878
00:46:07.800 --> 00:46:12.199
You're you're working hard to maintain it, you know, a

879
00:46:12.280 --> 00:46:16.360
four point zero gpa, and you know you know that

880
00:46:16.639 --> 00:46:19.000
you're not going to accomplish that if you if you

881
00:46:19.079 --> 00:46:22.079
contest with a professor, and not to mention all the

882
00:46:22.119 --> 00:46:24.599
other peer pressure. But I think you made a good

883
00:46:24.599 --> 00:46:27.320
point here, Zach, and that is that the bottom line

884
00:46:27.360 --> 00:46:29.239
and the stillness of the night at three o'clock in

885
00:46:29.280 --> 00:46:32.599
the morning, staring at the ceiling tiles above their bed,

886
00:46:33.000 --> 00:46:35.159
they're going, this isn't working.

887
00:46:34.960 --> 00:46:37.159
Right, Yeah, that's exactly right.

888
00:46:37.239 --> 00:46:37.400
You know.

889
00:46:37.960 --> 00:46:41.119
I think that was just I never followed Charlie super closely.

890
00:46:41.159 --> 00:46:43.360
I had seen videos of him debating with people, but

891
00:46:43.400 --> 00:46:45.960
I was never, you know, a member of TPUSA. But

892
00:46:46.000 --> 00:46:49.480
I was just absolutely struck just with with emotion and

893
00:46:49.519 --> 00:46:52.239
with sadness for the days and days following his assassination.

894
00:46:52.559 --> 00:46:54.519
And I think millions and millions of people were because

895
00:46:54.519 --> 00:46:56.760
here you have a guy who was killed under the

896
00:46:56.800 --> 00:46:59.239
tent with the text prove me wrong. I mean that

897
00:46:59.360 --> 00:47:01.920
was literally in on the text of the tent and

898
00:47:01.960 --> 00:47:06.400
he was inviting open debate, he was inviting dialogue, he

899
00:47:06.440 --> 00:47:10.000
was inviting disagreement, and for that he was killed. You know,

900
00:47:10.039 --> 00:47:12.599
he was literally killed for exercising his First Amendment right

901
00:47:13.320 --> 00:47:16.159
to free speech in inviting others to do the same.

902
00:47:16.800 --> 00:47:20.239
And so this was just horribly tragic. And again, I

903
00:47:20.239 --> 00:47:22.960
think God is really honoring that and really working through that. Again,

904
00:47:23.000 --> 00:47:25.599
the blood of the martyrs is the seed of the church,

905
00:47:25.880 --> 00:47:28.679
because I think God sees that sacrifice, he sees that

906
00:47:28.719 --> 00:47:31.079
act of love, somebody willing to give their life for

907
00:47:31.119 --> 00:47:34.599
their faith, and he honors that by inspiring other people

908
00:47:34.679 --> 00:47:36.559
and drawing them into the church as well.

909
00:47:37.840 --> 00:47:40.800
Did you in looking at the videos, as you said,

910
00:47:40.800 --> 00:47:43.800
you weren't part of TPUSA, but you know, like many

911
00:47:43.800 --> 00:47:47.880
of us, you know, we watched Charlie's videos, and I

912
00:47:48.639 --> 00:47:50.159
got to tell you, I mean, I learned a lot

913
00:47:50.199 --> 00:47:55.320
from somebody who was admittedly a self taught individual. I mean,

914
00:47:55.320 --> 00:47:57.159
I think maybe he went to a semester of college,

915
00:47:57.199 --> 00:48:00.920
community college and realized that wasn't for him, and then

916
00:48:01.000 --> 00:48:04.840
he he drew counsel from other mentors along the way,

917
00:48:05.480 --> 00:48:08.840
and you know, he was advised, you know, to read

918
00:48:08.880 --> 00:48:13.719
the classics and not only did he consume them? I mean,

919
00:48:13.880 --> 00:48:16.840
he noted them. I mean he he came to a

920
00:48:16.880 --> 00:48:21.239
debate with a well rounded facts and comprehension of that

921
00:48:21.360 --> 00:48:25.880
which he had expanded his thinking with. And so I

922
00:48:25.920 --> 00:48:28.800
mean so much so that sometimes these kids would think, hey,

923
00:48:28.840 --> 00:48:31.519
it's not a fair fight. You know, you know, you

924
00:48:31.519 --> 00:48:34.400
know he you know, which was kind of kind of interesting.

925
00:48:34.440 --> 00:48:38.719
But I never gathered, you know, from his expression and

926
00:48:38.800 --> 00:48:42.119
the debate unless I miss something where he was just

927
00:48:42.199 --> 00:48:45.280
purposely argumentative or mean spirited.

928
00:48:44.800 --> 00:48:47.239
Did you No, not at all. And that's the really

929
00:48:47.239 --> 00:48:50.000
remarkable thing that I remember every video that I've watched

930
00:48:50.000 --> 00:48:52.719
with him, he was always polite, he was always respectful.

931
00:48:53.159 --> 00:48:54.800
He was willing to speak the truth, but to do

932
00:48:54.880 --> 00:48:56.880
so in a loving way. And I think that most

933
00:48:56.920 --> 00:49:00.360
people find that, you know, very very attractive and her

934
00:49:00.360 --> 00:49:03.400
and he was saying yesterday at the memorial, yes a memorial,

935
00:49:03.440 --> 00:49:07.480
that he took thirty one different Hillsdale College online courses

936
00:49:07.920 --> 00:49:10.239
within about a month after hearing about them from from

937
00:49:10.239 --> 00:49:12.760
doctor Arne. And so you're right, he absolutely was just

938
00:49:12.800 --> 00:49:15.000
a band of self study. He didn't need to, you know,

939
00:49:15.039 --> 00:49:18.119
go get indoctunated at certain colleges as many people are,

940
00:49:18.920 --> 00:49:22.079
but yeah, he wanted to know the truth, and that

941
00:49:22.119 --> 00:49:24.000
I think is just absolutely beautiful, and then he wanted

942
00:49:24.039 --> 00:49:26.920
to share that truth with others. And the interesting thing

943
00:49:26.920 --> 00:49:30.320
when he found a TPUSA, from my understanding, the goal

944
00:49:30.400 --> 00:49:33.199
of that was largely to focus on economic issues, right,

945
00:49:33.199 --> 00:49:36.280
it was to find common ground with young people, and

946
00:49:36.639 --> 00:49:38.519
in terms of economics, he thought that they were more

947
00:49:38.559 --> 00:49:41.719
conservative but socially more liberal. But as he went on

948
00:49:41.840 --> 00:49:44.280
and as he got some life experience, and as he

949
00:49:44.320 --> 00:49:47.079
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950
00:49:47.239 --> 00:49:50.320
just more and more about was the importance of marriage

951
00:49:50.719 --> 00:49:53.039
and family. And I think that was absolutely just a

952
00:49:53.079 --> 00:49:56.400
beautiful thing because he realized that this is what gives

953
00:49:56.519 --> 00:49:58.679
life meaning, this is what can reach young people because

954
00:49:58.679 --> 00:50:02.159
we're looking for that meaning, and by focusing on family

955
00:50:02.239 --> 00:50:05.760
and faith, you actually can connect with young people because

956
00:50:05.760 --> 00:50:08.239
that's exactly what we're looking for. There's some polls now

957
00:50:08.280 --> 00:50:11.280
that find that find that gen Z, especially gen Z men,

958
00:50:11.519 --> 00:50:15.920
are now even more church going than boomers and millennials.

959
00:50:15.960 --> 00:50:19.119
They are the most church going generation. And so I

960
00:50:19.119 --> 00:50:21.679
think that is absolutely just really good news and something

961
00:50:21.679 --> 00:50:23.840
for all of us to keep praying for, to keep

962
00:50:23.880 --> 00:50:26.480
praying for that revival and really just to if we

963
00:50:26.559 --> 00:50:28.920
have people who are gen Z in our lives, to

964
00:50:29.000 --> 00:50:31.719
encourage them and just to keep you know, speaking life

965
00:50:31.760 --> 00:50:33.559
into them and speaking faith into their lives.

966
00:50:34.039 --> 00:50:34.239
Yeah.

967
00:50:34.239 --> 00:50:37.480
And I think two things there that you mentioned. Number

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00:50:37.519 --> 00:50:42.960
one is as at least in my observation, as Charlie

969
00:50:43.000 --> 00:50:46.000
was going through this journey, as you said, started out

970
00:50:46.760 --> 00:50:49.119
motivated by, hey, look at let's find a way to

971
00:50:49.159 --> 00:50:51.760
lift these kids up, you know, because a lot of

972
00:50:51.840 --> 00:50:53.719
kids are saying, I'm not going to be better off

973
00:50:53.719 --> 00:50:55.679
of my parents. I mean, the way the economy is

974
00:50:55.960 --> 00:50:59.119
trajectoring here, it looks pretty miserable. But I think along

975
00:50:59.159 --> 00:51:03.519
the way he found the determinative north star, which is

976
00:51:03.559 --> 00:51:06.920
his Christ. He found Jesus and said, okay, I'm talking

977
00:51:06.920 --> 00:51:11.199
the truth. I'm talking these things, but it all connects

978
00:51:11.400 --> 00:51:15.039
at the cross of Calvary, right. And I think as he,

979
00:51:15.599 --> 00:51:18.360
you know, was talking and is, he realized that more

980
00:51:18.360 --> 00:51:22.039
and more. I think that dimension matured in his heart

981
00:51:22.840 --> 00:51:27.400
and he became more open to talk about his faith

982
00:51:27.480 --> 00:51:29.840
because you know, that's the truth of truth.

983
00:51:30.760 --> 00:51:33.360
Yeah, that's absolutely right. And you know that I had

984
00:51:33.360 --> 00:51:37.000
the privilege of coming across a tweet just a couple

985
00:51:36.960 --> 00:51:39.599
of days after he died, just chronicling all the different

986
00:51:39.639 --> 00:51:42.239
posts that he made about his faith, and it was

987
00:51:42.280 --> 00:51:44.320
just a remarkable number, you know, and I'm sure they

988
00:51:44.360 --> 00:51:46.679
missed some, but one of them, he said, Jesus is

989
00:51:46.719 --> 00:51:49.440
the Answer. That was his whole post, and I think

990
00:51:49.519 --> 00:51:52.559
that became his life's rallying cry for the past few

991
00:51:52.719 --> 00:51:54.960
for the past few years of his life. And you know,

992
00:51:55.000 --> 00:51:57.199
I think we would all do a really good thing

993
00:51:57.280 --> 00:52:00.400
to honor Charlie in our own lives by just following

994
00:52:00.440 --> 00:52:03.840
his example of being willing to engage, being willing to confront,

995
00:52:03.840 --> 00:52:06.079
you know, if you're going to share your faith with somebody,

996
00:52:06.239 --> 00:52:08.599
that is, even if you're very very respectful, a form

997
00:52:08.599 --> 00:52:12.559
of confrontation, right, because you are confronting somebody with a

998
00:52:12.559 --> 00:52:15.519
different perspective, maybe a different worldview. You don't have to

999
00:52:15.519 --> 00:52:19.440
be combative, but the message itself sometimes is confrontational. And

1000
00:52:19.480 --> 00:52:21.599
so we should always be willing to, you know, to

1001
00:52:21.639 --> 00:52:25.280
share our faith. And again, I think that we don't

1002
00:52:25.320 --> 00:52:27.880
grieve as those who have no hope, as Scripture says, right,

1003
00:52:27.880 --> 00:52:30.880
we all have this hope that we can believe in,

1004
00:52:30.920 --> 00:52:33.039
and that's the hope that Charlie put his faith in

1005
00:52:33.519 --> 00:52:35.760
and uh. And I think that's just a really good

1006
00:52:35.840 --> 00:52:36.880
thing for us to focus on.

1007
00:52:37.559 --> 00:52:40.679
Well, Zach, how powerful was Erica's speech?

1008
00:52:41.199 --> 00:52:41.760
Oh my gosh.

1009
00:52:41.800 --> 00:52:45.440
Actually at that point where I you know, she says,

1010
00:52:45.639 --> 00:52:46.639
I forgive.

1011
00:52:46.320 --> 00:52:47.559
Him, Oh my gosh.

1012
00:52:47.639 --> 00:52:52.400
Yeah, I mean, uh, I just saw it again this morning,

1013
00:52:52.639 --> 00:52:55.000
and you can't stop the tear. I mean, the tears

1014
00:52:55.360 --> 00:52:59.159
just come out naturally. Uh. But that's our Christian faith.

1015
00:53:00.480 --> 00:53:02.840
That is the example of Jesus. You know, forgive them,

1016
00:53:02.840 --> 00:53:04.800
for they know not what they're doing, you know, which

1017
00:53:04.800 --> 00:53:08.480
she echoed as well, and then followed it up with

1018
00:53:09.000 --> 00:53:14.199
you know that she forgave the young man who took

1019
00:53:14.239 --> 00:53:16.440
her husband and the father of her children away.

1020
00:53:17.159 --> 00:53:17.360
Yeah.

1021
00:53:17.360 --> 00:53:19.960
I think Erica provided just a great example for all

1022
00:53:20.000 --> 00:53:22.599
of us. You know, we're called to love our enemies,

1023
00:53:22.599 --> 00:53:25.679
and sometimes it's very difficult to do. And you know,

1024
00:53:25.800 --> 00:53:28.000
I don't think anger is a sin, but Scripture says,

1025
00:53:28.000 --> 00:53:31.840
in your anger, do not sin, right exactly. And so

1026
00:53:32.320 --> 00:53:35.840
for for Erica, you know, that involved just a powerful

1027
00:53:35.920 --> 00:53:38.960
level of forgiveness that I think is only attributable to

1028
00:53:39.119 --> 00:53:41.239
her faith in Christ and the grace of the Holy

1029
00:53:41.280 --> 00:53:44.159
Spirit working through her. I don't think that that is

1030
00:53:44.199 --> 00:53:47.440
just a natural human reaction, that's a supernatural reaction empowered

1031
00:53:47.440 --> 00:53:50.039
by the Holy Spirit to just provide an example to

1032
00:53:50.119 --> 00:53:53.320
the nation where her husband just ten days ago, eleven

1033
00:53:53.400 --> 00:53:55.960
days ago was murdered and the father of her children

1034
00:53:56.000 --> 00:54:00.000
was killed and now she's willing to forgive that that assassin.

1035
00:54:00.239 --> 00:54:03.639
And I think that is just faith on steroids, and

1036
00:54:03.719 --> 00:54:07.679
it just shows the nation the truth of the supernatural realm,

1037
00:54:07.719 --> 00:54:11.559
because that is only possible if Christ is true, if

1038
00:54:11.719 --> 00:54:13.800
our faith is true, if the Holy Spirit working in

1039
00:54:13.840 --> 00:54:16.719
people is true. And so I just want to absolutely

1040
00:54:16.719 --> 00:54:19.280
just commend Erica for providing an example to the nation

1041
00:54:19.400 --> 00:54:19.719
through that.

1042
00:54:20.639 --> 00:54:23.119
Well, he's a focus on the Family. Staff writer Communications

1043
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Leason Zach Metler has been our guest. Zach, thank you

1044
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so much. God bless Bill.

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1079
00:56:41.400 --> 00:56:43.519
Good morning America. Welcome back. Good to have you with us.

1080
00:56:43.519 --> 00:56:46.880
I'm Bill Martinez. He's George Weigel, and he's back to

1081
00:56:46.920 --> 00:56:48.880
talk about his book. We're going to spend a little

1082
00:56:48.880 --> 00:56:50.639
bit more time in your book this time around, George.

1083
00:56:50.679 --> 00:56:53.440
I appreciate that, which is kind of like you know,

1084
00:56:53.480 --> 00:56:56.119
as I read through it, it's like your greatest hits

1085
00:56:56.400 --> 00:57:02.000
of commencement speeches to universities, and you know, I think

1086
00:57:02.039 --> 00:57:04.920
it's just it's such a blessing. I mean it's really terrific.

1087
00:57:05.000 --> 00:57:10.280
Thank you. It's a pomp, circumstance and unsolicited advice that

1088
00:57:10.440 --> 00:57:13.320
will bless you. I want you to know that upfront.

1089
00:57:13.920 --> 00:57:17.960
Well, thank you, Bill. It's a bit of a hodgepodge.

1090
00:57:17.960 --> 00:57:21.840
But I think the theme that ties all these things

1091
00:57:21.840 --> 00:57:27.360
together a dozen commencement addresses, another eight or ten lectures

1092
00:57:27.360 --> 00:57:31.000
in university settings around the world is that faith and

1093
00:57:31.159 --> 00:57:32.960
reason need each other.

1094
00:57:33.480 --> 00:57:34.400
Yes, hope.

1095
00:57:34.400 --> 00:57:38.440
Benedict sixteenth used to say this all the time. Faith

1096
00:57:38.679 --> 00:57:44.920
needs reason to prevent it from becoming superstition, and reason

1097
00:57:45.079 --> 00:57:49.840
needs faith to expand its own horizons to help think

1098
00:57:49.840 --> 00:57:53.320
about the big questions, not just you know, get in

1099
00:57:53.360 --> 00:57:57.599
the sandbox of thinking about thinking about thinking, or you know,

1100
00:57:57.639 --> 00:58:02.679
getting in the social media SAand Bob right throwing snark

1101
00:58:02.760 --> 00:58:06.880
back and forth. So that's the connecting thread through these

1102
00:58:07.440 --> 00:58:12.840
somewhat disparate pieces which I wrote gave over a period

1103
00:58:12.880 --> 00:58:13.800
of some twenty years.

1104
00:58:14.239 --> 00:58:17.239
Wow, that's awesome. Well, and the thing is about faith

1105
00:58:17.280 --> 00:58:20.400
and reason. As Augustine would say, that leads to understanding,

1106
00:58:20.960 --> 00:58:23.920
and that's when the light bulb goes on. Right, we go,

1107
00:58:24.039 --> 00:58:26.800
oh wow, okay, this is how this works. I kind

1108
00:58:26.800 --> 00:58:29.480
of had it in theory, and I've practiced it out

1109
00:58:29.559 --> 00:58:33.679
and now I'm seeing it develop and work in a

1110
00:58:33.800 --> 00:58:37.679
very positive way in my life and those that I

1111
00:58:37.719 --> 00:58:38.719
come in contact with.

1112
00:58:39.760 --> 00:58:42.760
That's right, And that's why, if I may say, the

1113
00:58:42.800 --> 00:58:47.480
Catholic Church and the Catholic University, Catholic College, the Catholic

1114
00:58:47.480 --> 00:58:51.239
institution of higher education has such an important role to

1115
00:58:51.360 --> 00:58:56.880
play in cultural renewal cultural reform in our country today,

1116
00:58:56.920 --> 00:59:03.239
we've all become painfully aware of how so many of

1117
00:59:03.320 --> 00:59:09.039
our once prestigious institutions of fire learning have become play

1118
00:59:09.079 --> 00:59:12.960
pens for her people who don't know how to behave

1119
00:59:13.079 --> 00:59:16.679
problem and now has something to do with the detachment

1120
00:59:16.719 --> 00:59:19.079
of faith in the well no doubt.

1121
00:59:19.119 --> 00:59:21.920
And look at what kind of display we got here

1122
00:59:21.960 --> 00:59:26.360
recently with the assassination of an individual who went to

1123
00:59:26.440 --> 00:59:30.719
college campuses to bring the truth and say, look at

1124
00:59:30.920 --> 00:59:35.320
you know, prove me wrong. And you know, Charlie Kirk's

1125
00:59:35.320 --> 00:59:42.400
heart and life, in my understanding and experience, represented you know,

1126
00:59:42.800 --> 00:59:46.960
a vision I believe, a mission that I believe God

1127
00:59:47.000 --> 00:59:50.519
gave him, and he goes to the belly of the beasts,

1128
00:59:50.559 --> 00:59:54.320
so to speak. As you say, these institutions not Catholic universities,

1129
00:59:54.320 --> 00:59:59.519
but you know, by and large, just these these cultural universities,

1130
01:00:00.000 --> 01:00:04.519
I have abandoned the truth and made everything relevant and controversial.

1131
01:00:04.719 --> 01:00:07.639
And when Charlie goes to them and brings the facts,

1132
01:00:08.960 --> 01:00:10.920
you know, here we find that the truth no longer

1133
01:00:11.039 --> 01:00:13.599
is a defense. The truth becomes an offense.

1134
01:00:13.719 --> 01:00:21.760
Right the day of that really horrific murder, I was

1135
01:00:21.800 --> 01:00:25.920
given a lecture at the University of Colorado in Boulder,

1136
01:00:27.000 --> 01:00:31.360
which is as woke as woke gets Yes. In Boulder

1137
01:00:31.440 --> 01:00:35.320
last June, there was an ani Semitic firebombing of a

1138
01:00:35.360 --> 01:00:39.239
peaceful protest of Jewish men and women calling for the

1139
01:00:39.280 --> 01:00:44.159
release of hostages and Gaza. A woman who had survived

1140
01:00:44.239 --> 01:00:49.679
the Holocaust died of burn wounds because of that. And

1141
01:00:49.760 --> 01:00:52.119
I was out there to read the Riot Act on

1142
01:00:52.599 --> 01:00:58.679
anti Semitism the first time in forty years of speaking

1143
01:00:58.719 --> 01:01:02.960
on university campuses, close to fifty years, that I have

1144
01:01:03.480 --> 01:01:07.519
been in a hall that had two armed policemen sporting

1145
01:01:07.599 --> 01:01:08.920
nine millimeters blocks.

1146
01:01:09.440 --> 01:01:10.280
Oh wow in the back.

1147
01:01:11.559 --> 01:01:17.599
This is not America and it's got to stop. And

1148
01:01:17.800 --> 01:01:20.559
one of the ways to stop it is for the

1149
01:01:20.599 --> 01:01:25.840
people who run universities to grow up and start disciplining

1150
01:01:26.079 --> 01:01:30.719
rowdy students who are making it impossible for other people

1151
01:01:30.800 --> 01:01:31.360
to learn.

1152
01:01:32.000 --> 01:01:35.400
Right, well, and you're exactly right, this is a leadership issue.

1153
01:01:35.840 --> 01:01:39.119
You know, it's top down, and these kids are getting

1154
01:01:39.119 --> 01:01:42.199
away with this and to their own detriment, because, as

1155
01:01:42.239 --> 01:01:47.079
we know, the Catholic Church invented university, right, I mean

1156
01:01:47.079 --> 01:01:48.960
when you go back to the roots of university, I

1157
01:01:49.000 --> 01:01:52.480
mean Catholics were right there leading the way and preserving

1158
01:01:53.559 --> 01:01:57.239
the search for truth and higher education. And at that

1159
01:01:57.360 --> 01:02:00.920
core of higher education and knowledge is the truth we

1160
01:02:01.000 --> 01:02:05.280
have that must be preserved. Our ability to talk, free speech,

1161
01:02:05.559 --> 01:02:07.519
to be able to talk to one another is what

1162
01:02:07.639 --> 01:02:11.599
elevates us, especially with those that disagree with us. Right.

1163
01:02:12.840 --> 01:02:15.960
I note in the forward to this book or the preface,

1164
01:02:16.480 --> 01:02:22.000
whichever it is, that at her inauguration as the president

1165
01:02:22.039 --> 01:02:25.639
of Harvard, this is twenty five years ago, a very

1166
01:02:25.639 --> 01:02:31.400
distinguished Civil War historian Drew Gilpenfelst said that the founders

1167
01:02:31.440 --> 01:02:35.800
of Harvard believe the truth was a possession, but we

1168
01:02:35.840 --> 01:02:40.239
believe today that it's an aspiration. Well, if you only

1169
01:02:40.280 --> 01:02:44.199
believe the truth is an aspiration, then the only thing

1170
01:02:44.199 --> 01:02:46.239
you're going to concede is that there's your truth in

1171
01:02:46.320 --> 01:02:48.360
my truth, but nothing called the truth.

1172
01:02:48.760 --> 01:02:48.960
Right.

1173
01:02:49.280 --> 01:02:53.199
When our truth collide, there's no way to settle the

1174
01:02:53.360 --> 01:02:57.519
argument except what Joseph Ratzinger called the dictatorship of relatives

1175
01:02:58.639 --> 01:03:03.800
or as we say law with Charlie Kirk Leaf of violence.

1176
01:03:04.039 --> 01:03:04.400
Yeah.

1177
01:03:04.440 --> 01:03:10.199
So this is a huge cultural, social, and now political

1178
01:03:10.320 --> 01:03:13.639
problem that is going to have to be addressed as

1179
01:03:13.679 --> 01:03:17.559
we approach the two hundred and fiftieth anniversary of the

1180
01:03:17.599 --> 01:03:18.440
American family.

1181
01:03:18.960 --> 01:03:21.760
It's kind of amazing because when you think particularly about America,

1182
01:03:21.800 --> 01:03:25.920
our constitution, our foundings and that, and you know, here

1183
01:03:25.960 --> 01:03:29.079
we are, you know, to your point, it's might making right,

1184
01:03:29.599 --> 01:03:33.280
and it's kind of crept into our culture ever so casually,

1185
01:03:33.360 --> 01:03:35.280
you know, as you say, the wool culture, where it's

1186
01:03:35.320 --> 01:03:39.639
advanced itself to this day. And there are you know,

1187
01:03:39.719 --> 01:03:42.960
some forces trying to upend this. But it's going to

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be a call for individual responsibility where the people, we

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the people individually decide, you know, what is acceptable and

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what's not. You know, George, I was just looking at,

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you know, some data here that just came across and

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it said that, you know, fifty percent of people on

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the left believe that political violence is acceptable. Only twenty

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percent on the right believe that it's okay. And they

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even broke it down. They said, not only political violence,

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but it was okay to kill Elon musk Er.

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Donald Trump, Yeah, well, this is a deep corruption of

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what used to be called liberal thought. And liberalism was

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about the free exchange of ideas, not the imposition of ideology.

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But you know, the problem here, Bill is across the board.

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I mean, everybody, just about everybody has forgotten how to

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speak calmly and in an adult way. I happened to

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be reading at the moment, Justice amy Cony Barrett's new

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book book, and it is so wonderful to hear an

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adult voice speaking intelligently, explaining complicated things, sharing some of

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some of her life, and her the drama of her life.

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But amidst all this screaming, we need adult voices across

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the spectrum.

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Yeah, and they need to be accentuated instead of all

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these warmongers and these canceled culture addicts. They seem to

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be getting the headlines and the news coverage as opposed

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to those things that are noble and good and rewarding

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for the greater good of the American people. Because we've

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been spewing this in the George, I gotta tell you

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for the last couple of years, I've been warning. I've

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been saying, look at you cannot have this political rhetoric.

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You can't have elected officials, you know, calling people fascist

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and you know, telling them to go ahead and attack

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them in the streets and attack them where they eat.

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And you know the kind of rhetoric that's been thrown

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out there, This is very dangerous. So it's not surprising

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these numbers that you see that so many people are

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accepting political violence.

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The stat I saw that recently, maybe a couple of

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days ago. It involved these gen z, you know, young

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men of the generation that guy charged with Charlie Kirk's

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murder comes from. Fifty of them did not have a

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problem with political dems. Right, Let dig deeper into that.

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Why are these people so on the heals.

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I'll tell I'll tell you why before you go there.

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Let's go to quick break. We'll pick it up on

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Welcome back America, Bill Martinez here. George Waggle continues with us.

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We're talking about his new book, Pomp, Circumstance and Unsolicited Advice.

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I say it's his greatest hits from all these commencement addresses,

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and I mean it's is powerful. Like you said, it's

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forty fifty years worth of history and brilliance. I love this.

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I love when you can have you know, what I

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call the golden nuggets of life experience in a book

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that you can pull out. So thank you very much.

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But anyway, I want you to continue on before I

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interrupted you, before we had to go to break. Go ahead.

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No, you're very kind to say those things about the book,

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and I hope it's encouraging two people to encounter some

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of these ideas. No, what I was going to say

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is that there seems to be a lot of evidence

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that young men who have spent their adolescent and young

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adult lives exclusively online looking at screens social media, Internet,

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which has some very dark places, have forgotten how to

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form it, have never learned would be the properly, have

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never learned how to form relationships, and they take their

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behavioral cues from this free fire zone on the internet

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and on social media, and then you get these kind

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of crazed young men that we see across the country

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and frankly across the political spectrum. So we've got a

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lot of work to do in rebuilding a culture in

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which maturity is value, maturity is on. I mean, what

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gets honored today is who's got the loudest chout, who's

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got the snarkiest snark that's just not good?

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Yeah, who's getting the most attention? And as you say,

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in terms of what's happening on the internet, how much

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complicity is there with these games? You know, we hear

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a lot about the game and agency. You know, these

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kids are involved with games, and you know, some of

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these games are so violent, and they've produced our humanity

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to a cartoon character or some sort of avatar.

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Yeah. I mean I never look at any of this stuff.

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I've never experienced any of it, so I can't speak

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directly to it, but I read enough about this to

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think that. I mean, first of all, over the last

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I would say two generations, we have become an entertainment culture.

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We're just obsessed with entertainment. This is now getting into

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very corrupt forms, running from these violent video games to

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who's got the loudest snark on social media to something

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that I was appalled to find out this Americans spent

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one hundred and twenty four billion dollars on sports gambling

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last week. Anyone who doesn't think that that kind of

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money is not going to ultimately corrupt everything. And this

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is living on planets on I mean, this is just

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waiting to happen, and one sphere of American life that

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that used to be some way of coming together, you know,

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super Bowl, Sunday, the World Series, it all started whatever

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is now being thoroughly corrupted by him. Right, So it's

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this is a this is a huge Becoming an entertainment

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culture means becoming a less serious.

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We've we've really bought into this consumerism. You know, we

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we consume everything, We consume relationships, we consume you know, entertainment,

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you know, go on down the list. It is this. Uh,

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you know, I remember in my in my years in

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high school when that game, that pac Man game came out, right,

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and that I feel like this is this is the

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manifestation of the pac Man. We're just chewing things up.

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Yeah, yeah, I know it's I remember pac Man. I

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remember it through my kids, not muself, but pac Man.

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What was the other one, Oregon Trail that at least

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used to teach you something about.

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About the geography? Right, exactly? Right?

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Well, yeah, no, I Irving Crystal, who was one of

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the wisest men I ever knew, one of the founding

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fathers of what is now deprecated as neo conservatism. I

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am proud to be a card carrying neo con myself. Irving.

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This is at fifty years ago, maybe nineteen seventy, fifty

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five years ago, Irving wrote an ess asking the question,

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has any society in history ever vibe without censorship? That's

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a question we are going to have to revisit. It's

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going to be a difficult one because of the robust

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protections of the first Amen. We have created essentially censorship

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free society exactly, and it is now destroying people's literal.

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Just yeah, because I often ask George, you know, they

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always use the argument, you know, well, you know, you

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have free space, but you can't yell, you know, fire

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in a crowded theater. Well we're doing that, We're you know, metaphorically,

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we're yelling fire in a crowded theater. By just putting

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kerosene on the hot coals of young people's minds that

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have been conditioned to consumerism and hatred, it is just

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boiling over. I mean to the point that here we are,

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we have this shoe of Charlie Kirk as we talked about,

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and other violence that's been running so rampant. I mean,

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what are we going to do here? I mean, it's

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not we don't even have to wait for God's judgment.

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We're just going to annihilate ourselves.

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Since we're talking about we began by talking about a book.

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Let me let me propose one beginning of an answer

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and illustrated with the story. I have a friend who

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01:18:25.000 --> 01:18:30.119
teaches at a major state university and teaches a course

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01:18:30.119 --> 01:18:35.239
on the history of baseball. I'm serious, a serious course

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01:18:35.439 --> 01:18:39.359
in baseball and its history reflection of the country. Anyway,

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01:18:39.479 --> 01:18:41.479
So he and I are having lunch a few years

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01:18:42.079 --> 01:18:44.399
and he mentions he's teaching his course, as I say,

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01:18:44.439 --> 01:18:48.039
at a major state universe. And I said, well, can

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01:18:48.079 --> 01:18:51.800
you send me your bibliography? There might be some books

1428
01:18:51.840 --> 01:18:55.680
on it I'd like to read. He said, what did

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01:18:55.720 --> 01:19:01.439
you say, I said books, he said, George, if I assigned,

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01:19:02.000 --> 01:19:05.880
if in the catalog there was more than one book

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01:19:05.920 --> 01:19:11.439
and one article, no one would sign up for. Interesting

1432
01:19:12.359 --> 01:19:17.279
reading is an antidote to all of this. I mean,

1433
01:19:17.319 --> 01:19:19.680
you talked about pac Man when you were in high school.

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01:19:20.000 --> 01:19:22.359
When I was in high school, we were given six

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01:19:22.640 --> 01:19:28.039
fat novels to read every summer and were tested on

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01:19:28.119 --> 01:19:34.159
them back in September. Wow, the decline of reading, the

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01:19:34.279 --> 01:19:37.920
triumph of the screen out here and Iron talking on them.

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01:19:37.920 --> 01:19:42.880
So that as this, But I mean, I think there

1439
01:19:42.920 --> 01:19:47.680
is going to be overwhelming evidence in the cognitive sciences

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01:19:47.760 --> 01:19:51.399
in the years of him that you retain less from

1441
01:19:51.439 --> 01:19:56.000
what you read on a screen, You understand less from

1442
01:19:56.039 --> 01:19:59.319
what you read on the screen, and you remember less.

1443
01:20:00.000 --> 01:20:01.880
I mean, I've had a personal experience of this. I

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01:20:01.920 --> 01:20:04.720
have been My dad was in the Pacific and World

1445
01:20:04.760 --> 01:20:11.199
War two. I've always been fascinated by that history. And

1446
01:20:11.359 --> 01:20:14.479
I got Crank Simon's fine book on the Battle of

1447
01:20:14.520 --> 01:20:19.680
Midway as a kindle book maybe ten years ago. Read it.

1448
01:20:19.760 --> 01:20:27.800
I'm kindled fast forward three years and I ordered the

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01:20:27.840 --> 01:20:32.319
book from Amazon, the book book, and I opened it

1450
01:20:32.439 --> 01:20:34.920
up and my son said, Dad, you read that three

1451
01:20:35.000 --> 01:20:41.239
years ago, I had no memory of having read that book,

1452
01:20:42.439 --> 01:20:46.039
and now I have the hardback, I know the book inside.

1453
01:20:46.079 --> 01:20:47.199
Now it's a great reader.

1454
01:20:49.600 --> 01:20:49.800
You know.

1455
01:20:50.600 --> 01:20:54.760
Back to books is one thing to do. Parents, particularly

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01:20:54.800 --> 01:20:58.520
parents with young children, should be reading books with their

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01:20:58.600 --> 01:21:04.760
children from the get kill right and and encouraging them

1458
01:21:04.800 --> 01:21:09.000
to become literate people and be part of the great

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01:21:09.039 --> 01:21:13.079
conversation of English and American literature that's been going on

1460
01:21:13.159 --> 01:21:17.640
for hundreds of years. That's one possible small step towards

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01:21:17.640 --> 01:21:21.119
the recovery of a culture of mature.

1462
01:21:22.159 --> 01:21:27.199
Well, I will say from someone who myself, who loves reading,

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01:21:28.760 --> 01:21:30.960
I don't like to read books on the screen.

1464
01:21:31.039 --> 01:21:31.199
You know.

1465
01:21:31.600 --> 01:21:34.640
Imagine the interviews I do. A lot of publicists say, oh,

1466
01:21:34.760 --> 01:21:36.319
send you a pdf. I go, now, I want a

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01:21:36.319 --> 01:21:39.199
hard copy. And and your publicist was so kind they

1468
01:21:39.199 --> 01:21:41.119
sent me a copy of hard copy of your book.

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01:21:41.600 --> 01:21:46.680
That's that That's the way I read, and that's what

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01:21:46.880 --> 01:21:49.199
helps me so much more as opposed to your point.

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01:21:50.159 --> 01:21:52.960
Reading electronically, I can do a real quick summation or

1472
01:21:53.239 --> 01:21:55.199
you know, if I have to an emergency decision, but

1473
01:21:55.239 --> 01:21:57.159
by and large I want a hard copy. I'm like you,

1474
01:21:57.199 --> 01:21:58.279
I'm a hard copy kind of.

1475
01:21:58.199 --> 01:22:00.880
Guy kindles are great for airplanes.

1476
01:22:01.000 --> 01:22:01.319
That's just.

1477
01:22:03.079 --> 01:22:05.079
That's the limit of their utility.

1478
01:22:06.720 --> 01:22:09.239
Well, George, we got about a minute left here, and

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01:22:09.840 --> 01:22:12.399
I just always appreciate this time with you, and I

1480
01:22:12.399 --> 01:22:15.039
feel like I want more time with you. So I

1481
01:22:15.079 --> 01:22:17.279
was glad to have you back, but I'm gonna let

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01:22:17.279 --> 01:22:20.640
you kind of sum up in this last minute pomp

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01:22:20.720 --> 01:22:25.399
circumstance and the unsolicited advice. And of course the book

1484
01:22:25.439 --> 01:22:27.079
is available at all the usual places.

1485
01:22:27.079 --> 01:22:32.159
Correct, Yeah, sure it's available, but online stores should be available,

1486
01:22:32.159 --> 01:22:36.079
and particularly Catholic bookstores might be available in your local

1487
01:22:36.680 --> 01:22:41.319
Barnes and Noble. I guess Bill, I would sum it

1488
01:22:41.399 --> 01:22:45.000
up by saying, the book is a summons to reconnect

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01:22:45.039 --> 01:22:49.079
faith and reason is essential to the renewal and reform

1490
01:22:49.159 --> 01:22:52.359
of our culture, which is really swirling around the drain

1491
01:22:52.520 --> 01:22:58.399
right now with some very very horrific effects, and it's

1492
01:22:58.880 --> 01:23:01.319
time to get on the reconstruction.

1493
01:23:02.279 --> 01:23:06.239
Exactly. Well. In his commencement addresses to colleges and universities

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01:23:06.680 --> 01:23:10.920
large and small, George Weigel challenges graduates to understand an

1495
01:23:10.960 --> 01:23:15.800
academic degree as a summons to become the trustee of

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01:23:15.880 --> 01:23:19.520
a great tradition. George Weigel thank you so much, appreciate

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01:23:19.560 --> 01:23:22.000
the time. Take care, God bless oh bye bye.

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Good morning right now, six minutes after the top of

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the hour, Bill Martinez here with Mark Ronald, the executive

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editor chief correspondent for Climate deepot dot com. Hey, Mark,

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how you doing good?

1565
01:27:09.239 --> 01:27:09.720
How's it going?

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01:27:09.800 --> 01:27:09.960
Bill?

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01:27:10.079 --> 01:27:10.359
Thanks?

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01:27:10.399 --> 01:27:12.439
Well, all things considered. As you and I were talking

1569
01:27:12.479 --> 01:27:15.840
before we went on air, it's it's been a process.

1570
01:27:15.920 --> 01:27:18.960
I think what we've experienced is going to take us

1571
01:27:19.000 --> 01:27:21.640
a little bit of time, you know, to get to

1572
01:27:21.720 --> 01:27:25.159
get through. I mean, Charlie Kirk was a one of

1573
01:27:25.199 --> 01:27:30.239
a kind and a generational figure. But you know he's

1574
01:27:30.279 --> 01:27:34.640
got a great staff. You know, his wife is just outstanding.

1575
01:27:34.640 --> 01:27:38.880
I mean, what a woman, what a heart. And you know,

1576
01:27:38.960 --> 01:27:42.479
and already Mark, I think you know, these people thought

1577
01:27:42.479 --> 01:27:45.520
that they were going to kill the movement. Whether there's

1578
01:27:45.560 --> 01:27:50.119
been already over thirty seven thousand requests for turning point

1579
01:27:51.079 --> 01:27:54.199
centers on universities across the country, and they were already

1580
01:27:54.239 --> 01:27:56.399
I think at nine hundred. So I mean, it's just

1581
01:27:56.520 --> 01:27:59.560
exponential the effect that this has had.

1582
01:28:00.760 --> 01:28:04.920
It has I mean, it's incredible because he was the

1583
01:28:04.960 --> 01:28:08.239
figure that was actually trying to bring people together, to

1584
01:28:08.319 --> 01:28:11.920
be a uniter, to be respectful, to go to the

1585
01:28:11.960 --> 01:28:15.319
heart of the intolerance and debate people and let their

1586
01:28:15.399 --> 01:28:16.319
voices be heard.

1587
01:28:16.359 --> 01:28:18.319
He was polite, he was nice.

1588
01:28:19.039 --> 01:28:22.680
I just never understood how all of these academics, teachers,

1589
01:28:23.319 --> 01:28:25.640
all these people are claiming he was a Nazi, and

1590
01:28:26.760 --> 01:28:29.000
it just didn't make sense because he was in a

1591
01:28:29.039 --> 01:28:31.760
way the most gentle. I mean, he really was so

1592
01:28:32.840 --> 01:28:36.720
open to these ideas and so respectful to them. Now,

1593
01:28:36.960 --> 01:28:39.239
I never actually got to meet Charlie Kirk. I did

1594
01:28:39.279 --> 01:28:42.800
speak at Turning Point USA event, and I also he

1595
01:28:42.880 --> 01:28:45.560
followed me on Twitter, which was a lot of fun too.

1596
01:28:45.600 --> 01:28:49.600
But the organization always, as you mentioned.

1597
01:28:49.279 --> 01:28:53.239
Impressed the hell out of me as a speaker on

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01:28:53.279 --> 01:28:55.600
college campuses. I just came back from a protest from

1599
01:28:55.720 --> 01:28:59.399
Rice University and I spoke at just recently spoke in Kentucky,

1600
01:28:59.439 --> 01:29:02.000
and I've been at Yukon, and I've been at Dartmouth

1601
01:29:02.000 --> 01:29:03.159
and all over the country.

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01:29:04.600 --> 01:29:06.680
To have the kind of energy.

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01:29:06.439 --> 01:29:10.039
And turn out an organization he achieved on campuses before

1604
01:29:10.159 --> 01:29:14.039
his death just absolutely stunning and amazing, and I think

1605
01:29:14.039 --> 01:29:17.159
it's because he had the principle of free speech with

1606
01:29:17.279 --> 01:29:21.359
respect and actually seeking out and debate and finding common ground.

1607
01:29:21.399 --> 01:29:23.960
And it's it was an amazing American figure.

1608
01:29:24.479 --> 01:29:28.920
And Mark and I think, you know, in somewhat synonymous

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01:29:28.960 --> 01:29:31.119
with what you do when you go to the campus,

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01:29:31.119 --> 01:29:34.880
you're bringing the truth. And and yes, it's it's tough

1611
01:29:34.920 --> 01:29:38.640
to break through the silos that these kids are in

1612
01:29:38.680 --> 01:29:41.840
that the professors have put them in, and they're happy

1613
01:29:41.920 --> 01:29:45.479
to control them and really in a sense, dumb them down.

1614
01:29:45.880 --> 01:29:51.439
It's so anti university, it's so anti knowledge, and and

1615
01:29:51.640 --> 01:29:55.479
Charlie Kirk, you know, understood that, and he was he

1616
01:29:56.000 --> 01:29:59.039
went to the campuses to bless these kids. And in

1617
01:29:59.119 --> 01:30:01.600
many ways, some of these kids, you know, you could

1618
01:30:01.600 --> 01:30:04.319
just see the reaction on their faces, like suddenly the

1619
01:30:04.399 --> 01:30:06.720
light bulb went on and they go, oh, gosh, I'm

1620
01:30:06.720 --> 01:30:10.600
not an idiot, you know what. I was thinking something

1621
01:30:10.680 --> 01:30:12.880
was wrong with me, because for the last two years

1622
01:30:12.920 --> 01:30:15.319
I've got professors, I have my peers telling me that

1623
01:30:15.439 --> 01:30:17.640
if I don't walk this way and if I don't

1624
01:30:17.720 --> 01:30:21.199
think this way, then I'm no way, you know, And not.

1625
01:30:21.680 --> 01:30:23.960
Only are you not smart, but you're a racist, homophoon

1626
01:30:23.960 --> 01:30:28.439
of Nazi with you know, irredeemable person. What was Hillary

1627
01:30:28.439 --> 01:30:29.039
Clinton's word?

1628
01:30:29.039 --> 01:30:31.039
A deplorable, horrible right now.

1629
01:30:31.239 --> 01:30:33.359
And it was amazing because you know, I've been at

1630
01:30:33.359 --> 01:30:37.479
Georgetown University. This was in twenty nineteen and I was

1631
01:30:37.520 --> 01:30:41.000
shouted down the openings talk about twenty five students crash

1632
01:30:41.079 --> 01:30:43.840
the event from the climate activists that shut me down

1633
01:30:43.880 --> 01:30:45.119
there to have campus security.

1634
01:30:45.159 --> 01:30:46.760
The event was paused for an hour.

1635
01:30:47.439 --> 01:30:50.840
They don't even want to hear in all, especially when

1636
01:30:50.840 --> 01:30:52.439
it comes to climate. I mean, this was like a

1637
01:30:53.000 --> 01:30:57.920
deeply religious cult issue to these students, and they wouldn't

1638
01:30:57.920 --> 01:31:01.239
even allow that kind of movement. So you could imagine

1639
01:31:01.319 --> 01:31:04.199
the ire Charlie would bring in when he would bring

1640
01:31:04.279 --> 01:31:07.479
in tens of thousands of kids to write events to

1641
01:31:07.560 --> 01:31:10.720
debate the liberals and beat them. I hate to say

1642
01:31:10.760 --> 01:31:13.119
beat them because he was actually just trying to educate

1643
01:31:13.199 --> 01:31:16.039
and trying to show that you can be disagree without

1644
01:31:16.119 --> 01:31:21.000
being disagreeable. But Oxford debating kids, you know at PhDs

1645
01:31:21.000 --> 01:31:23.720
and they were talking about Socrates and philosophy, then they'd

1646
01:31:23.720 --> 01:31:25.800
switch over to the Bible, then they talked about science.

1647
01:31:25.960 --> 01:31:28.359
He was a true renaissance man of our man.

1648
01:31:28.479 --> 01:31:31.239
He really was. Yeah, exactly. It was amazing just his

1649
01:31:31.319 --> 01:31:34.399
ability to hold on to, you know, facts and figures

1650
01:31:34.439 --> 01:31:37.640
the way the way he did. Well, you know, speaking

1651
01:31:37.680 --> 01:31:40.800
of climate, where are we at right now? What's the

1652
01:31:40.840 --> 01:31:44.720
state of the union on these college campuses? Have things

1653
01:31:44.800 --> 01:31:48.079
quieted down a little bit because because of the evidence

1654
01:31:48.199 --> 01:31:50.840
or is it just that they've doubled down and really

1655
01:31:50.880 --> 01:31:53.359
anchored themselves even deeper in their silos.

1656
01:31:54.279 --> 01:31:57.399
Well, okay on college campus as not much has changed yet.

1657
01:31:58.279 --> 01:32:00.560
Just as an example, by the way, talking about Charlie Kirk,

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Michael Mann of the famous professor he's now at U Penn.

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He was at Penn State of climate gate. This is

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the man who hid the decline. He did the hockey

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stick to which had previously even the un and their

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first report showed the medieval warm period much warmer than

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current temperatures. Well, we had a whole movement. We had

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to get rid of the medieval warm period. Enter Michael Mann.

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This is a professor. It wasn't Penn State at the time.

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He came out and basically redid the past and said,

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ok that we're unprecedented now medieval warrem perriod just we

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just cooled the past, so make it the current look. Well,

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he came out right after Charlie shar Sheen's death.

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And he reached Charlie Kirk, I mean Charlie Kirk.

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Yeah, it's funny because Charlie Sheen is doing a book

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tour at the same time Kirk.

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I keep saying Charlie Sheen. He came out right.

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After Charlie Kirk died and retweeted something the head of

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Trump's Hitler Youth which showed a picture of Charlie Kirk.

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He also mocked the assassination as white on white violence

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because he alleged shooter as a white kid. So, just

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to give you an idea, and he's the lead of

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the climate crusade on campus across America. He's the academic intellectual.

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He's CNN and MSNBC's number one guest is Michael Mann.

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That gives you an idea of how things haven't changed

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much in the climate world. Now, I will say what

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01:33:14.399 --> 01:33:17.760
has changed, particularly since Trump has gone on. And just

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just to recap, Trump has come in two hundred actions

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in the first two hundred days. We now have record

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oil and gas production within six months of his presidency.

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The summer twenty twenty five, more US oil and gas

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production than we've ever seen since George Washington was elected.

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Now that's the silly thing to say, because we didn't

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have it, but still it's true. So since that has happened,

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I will say this spring, it's almost like Trump has

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01:33:43.479 --> 01:33:46.920
done such an onslaught of so many issues besides climate,

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01:33:46.920 --> 01:33:50.119
additional issues that they just haven't regrouped. And I haven't

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01:33:50.159 --> 01:33:54.239
seen much activity actually any on climate on any of

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01:33:54.239 --> 01:33:56.960
the campuses across America right now. There's been a few

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01:33:57.199 --> 01:34:02.279
uprisings recently a lawsuit now it's students. It's basically one

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01:34:02.399 --> 01:34:05.359
climate skeptic termed did a bunch of old communists using

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the front of students to try to go after Trump

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and federal courts to try to stop some of his

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reversals on climate and his opening up of American energy.

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01:34:14.279 --> 01:34:16.840
So things haven't changed much, but I will say it's

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01:34:16.960 --> 01:34:17.920
quieter right now.

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We'll see where that leads.

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So it is the world boiling over yet?

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Well, this is just it's so amazing. The New York

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Times had an article basically saying, you know, in my

1707
01:34:33.560 --> 01:34:37.439
it's interpreted, it's official. The climate movement has essentially not

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01:34:37.560 --> 01:34:39.880
just died. Today's New York Times as an article it's

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01:34:39.960 --> 01:34:41.760
dying globally. It's not they actually say in The New

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01:34:41.800 --> 01:34:45.680
York Times. It's not just the US globally. And what

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01:34:45.760 --> 01:34:49.279
you needed was a spark like Trump. Trump was the

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01:34:49.319 --> 01:34:52.279
match that lit it when he was. When I was

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01:34:52.319 --> 01:34:54.840
at COP thirty, which is the UN Climate Summit, it

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01:34:54.880 --> 01:34:59.479
was Aku Azerbaijan, like, oh my god, unbelievable, diff difficult

1715
01:34:59.520 --> 01:35:02.479
place to get. I had to fly through Istanbul, Turkey.

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01:35:03.279 --> 01:35:06.439
It was a true Oligart country. They always picked the

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01:35:06.479 --> 01:35:09.399
most far away. Previously, i'd just been to Egypt. I

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01:35:09.520 --> 01:35:12.520
was in Dubai. I've been to these conferences in Bali.

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01:35:12.560 --> 01:35:14.560
I've been to them in Buenos Aires. I've been to

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them in Nairobi, Kenya. I've been to them in Johannesburg,

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South Africa. By the way, in about six weeks I'm

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heading off to Beliem, Brazil for the next two nd

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01:35:24.039 --> 01:35:27.520
Climate Summit, and that is in a rain forest city.

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01:35:28.560 --> 01:35:32.399
So what they're saying is Donald Trump lit the spark.

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This is the New York Times emitting it. And you

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01:35:34.039 --> 01:35:35.960
can go back at the summit. I was at last

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fall Argentine delegation, the head of it, President Milieu. Mili

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called Trump and Trump said, what the hell are your

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people there?

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Get them home.

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We went through the entire Argentine delegation. Right after a

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call with Donald Trump.

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I'll tell you what real quick, we got to go

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to break. We'll talk. We'll talk more with Mark Morano

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after this. Stay with us.

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in chief correspondent for climatedepot dot com. Sorry to interrupt

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your story, but okay, let's go ahead pick it up.

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Talking about the UN summit.

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So Trump talks to the head of Argentina, Argentina pools

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er delegation during the UN Climate Summit. Then the French

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Foreign Ministry decides they're not going to attend the summit.

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Then the head of the coast country at this UN

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Climate Summit opening speech to the conference says, oil is

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a gift from God had exploded all over the UN.

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Al Gore almost boycotted it. He didn't come to the

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end that you have the UN officials fighting with each

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other saying why are we allowing these people to say

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this at our conference?

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Now?

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Al Gore wants to have a litmus test that says

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no countries can speak and participate unless they sign on

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to the UN agenda, which which would be great because

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then you're going to lose all the Petro states, the

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Middle Eastern stage.

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It would be the greatest death. Now, But that saint.

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We were just talking about college campuses and Charlie Kirk's assassination.

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That's same, and top tolerance spreads to adults, not just college.

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Kids at these un summits who run it.

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This is World Economic Forms, is World Health Organizations, is

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the United Nations.

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Their mindset is.

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We can't allow anyone who disagrees with us to speak

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because that's dangerous to our agenda.

1840
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Let's ban them.

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Well, if you ban them, your agenda's not going anywhere,

1842
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because you're the only gonna have. You become a little

1843
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sick of fancy group. So anyway, the whole conference there collapse.

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Then you had Donald Trump come in. I had mentioned

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the two hundred actions record oil guest. But the most

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important thing is once he lifted these restrictions, all the

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car companies we just had Stillantis whose previous which is

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formerly Chrysler Automaker previous CEO. We're gonna bring in the

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electric jeeps, so we're gonna do electric ram trucks. Now,

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the muscle cars that we were selling so hot, we're

1851
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gonna convert those into evs. And Dodge sales are tanking.

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All the cars are sitting on the on the the

1853
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dealership lots. He gets fired from Europe as the European company.

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He gets fired, bringing a new guy who brings back

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the gas guzzlers. Chrysler just announced to Lantis. They're just

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getting rid of all the EV's. He just got rid

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of the EV truck. They're getting rid of the all

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EV jeep. It's just and Donald Trump sparked all of

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this because it's going across the industry, all of this

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stuff that was being forced shoved on us from an

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energy point of view due to the climate emergency. Literally

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it was it was a paper tiger. It looked so

1863
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and strung in an industry, in academia and the billionaires

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in the fact, this is the way it's going to be.

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And if you don't go along, you're the world bank

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threatening automakers. If you keep making gas cars, we're gonna

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stop funding you. You had banks saying we're not going

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to give out loans to people who buy gas powered cars,

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only EV's. You had all it was eighteen states with

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EV mandate poof.

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It was a giant fraud. I mean like that was

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a fraud argument.

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But even the facade of their this is the way

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it's going to be and this is the way we

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have to accept it fraud. You had Larry Fink, the

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CEO of Blackrock, come out and say, you know, we

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have to force behaviors and essentially implying they're going to

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force you know, he went behind He went behind the

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scenes beginning with the first Trump administration and basically did

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corporate government collusion. They went and they met with this

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is private equity asset, Blackrock and others met with these

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companies and said, look, you can't allow this. In order

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net zero. You're gonna have to go along with the

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your Black Lives Matter, You're gonna have to go along

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with the whole everything, every social justice issue on the left.

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And this was all happening regardless of what Congress or

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the President would do. And so that's what we're now.

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That's one of the big things we have to reform

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right now. By the way, I will say this, the

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one stumble I think Donald Trump's making, in my view,

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is bringing in the big tech partnership. He had Bill Gates,

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he's had Mark Zucker, He's at Jeff Bezos, and he's

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giving them defense contracts for the AI arms race, which

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I'm not really that excited about because AI, I believe,

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is not designed to make our lives better. It's designed

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so that the corporate government collusion can control our lives.

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So one area I disagree with Trump on what he's

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doing right now. And it's also affecting utility bills because

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AI data centers. I'm in Virginia, the number one state

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has AI data centers. It's sucking out our grid and

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making us subsidize big tech. So there's complicated issues there.

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But at the same time it will bring economic growth,

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but they're also going to be taking away jobs with AI.

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So that's the one area that's very complicated, but it

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does have a huge energy. The positive side of AI

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is it's forced Blackrock Larry Fink to admit solar and

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wind are not going to be able.

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To power you exactly.

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It's forced Bill Gates and Mark Zuckerberg to look at

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the leasing or buying nuclear power plants to power their

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AI because solar and win is such a fraud.

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So it's a mixed bag on AI.

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I think with the solar and uh WIN infrastructure, anything

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just bronze them up. Along with those eight statues, those

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charging stations that Joe Biden built out that what costs

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US eight billion dollars. I think only yeah, like that crazy? Huh.

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It's just if you go back in time, think of

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Henry Ford and the model T imagine. Jesus, I'm sorry,

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who was the president? This would have been let's say,

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nineteen nineteen ninety Woodrow Wilson?

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Correct, Am I right?

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I think? I think yeah?

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Or was he almost out?

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Anyway?

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Uh?

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You feel bad? I think I'm pretty sure, as would

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you Wilson.

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Imagine if he had announced we're going to build, you know,

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a million gas stations across the country in order to

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support the infrastructure for that, it would have been laughed at.

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And that's basically how it should have been this time around.

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Of course, they didn't build it. It turned out it

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was mom and pop stores, consumer demands, supply and demand,

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free markets that said, hey, having a gas station here

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is going to bring in all these model t's that

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they're selling and revolutionizing America.

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And people are gonna only.

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Gonna buy gas, They're gonna buy sodas, they're gonna buy groceries,

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they're gonna buy goods and services. That happened spontaneously through

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market forces, and that's the way if an ev is

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going to catch on. You don't subsidies, you don't need

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the tax credits, you don't need the government mandated charging stations.

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By the way, make no mistake, Biden's advisors were advising

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him when he first was elected to have a ban

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on interstate travel as part of COVID lockdowns. If you

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have only evs and you've banned gas powered cars and

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you have a federal national charging system, guess what. You

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don't have to issue stay at home orders. You can

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just pull the plug on the federal charging system and

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people will be stuck. And that, of course, you can

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shut down flights. So it's a way again for control,

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very similar to where I think we're headed with Ai Mark.

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You imagine if Kamala Harris was elected president where we'd be.

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And then the thing is, see the rest of the

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people who voted for her. I mean, she still got

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a lot of votes, all things considered. And the Democratic

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Party is as crazy and wacky as it is, is

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still formidable. I mean, it's like a cockroach that just

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01:47:05.600 --> 01:47:08.199
keeps creating new heads or something I don't know, and

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it's amazing. It's like saying, don't you realize all the

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deleterious policies that were enacted during the Obama years, eight

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years of them and then four years of Biden. They

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all were brought to you by the Democratic Party, and

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you want to elect Democrats and interfere with the Trump

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01:47:25.159 --> 01:47:26.479
agenda right now.

1969
01:47:27.279 --> 01:47:30.039
It's yeah, and that's what they're saying. Charlie Kirk's assassination

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01:47:30.159 --> 01:47:32.920
could have a big impact on the midterms. They're also

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all the analysts are and almost polling that is showing normally,

1972
01:47:36.680 --> 01:47:39.319
and when I say normally, almost every single time when

1973
01:47:39.319 --> 01:47:42.479
a president is elected or reelected, the midterms always go

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01:47:42.560 --> 01:47:46.119
against them exactly a big event, like you know, maybe

1975
01:47:46.119 --> 01:47:49.479
a war or terror attacks or something like that. But

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01:47:49.680 --> 01:47:53.039
this time around, and it's actually probably because the Democrats

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01:47:53.079 --> 01:47:54.520
are so such in disarray.

1978
01:47:54.800 --> 01:47:56.840
They're still caught up in all the pronouns. I don't

1979
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know if you saw that.

1980
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They had recent meetings where they're still doing the the

1981
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pronoun game, and they had to have this and they're

1982
01:48:03.199 --> 01:48:05.920
they're caught up and still the wokeness. They did the

1983
01:48:06.039 --> 01:48:09.520
Land acknowledgment ceremony, They're still doing all of that stuff,

1984
01:48:09.520 --> 01:48:12.640
which people are just rolling their heads. They are so

1985
01:48:12.800 --> 01:48:15.520
off message that this may be a time when Republicans

1986
01:48:15.520 --> 01:48:18.760
could actually gain in the mid terms of a president

1987
01:48:18.840 --> 01:48:22.840
in a second term, which is very historically unusual. But

1988
01:48:22.920 --> 01:48:26.039
again it's too early to tell, and as the blowback

1989
01:48:26.079 --> 01:48:29.920
from Charlie kirks'ssassination could aid that because people just realize,

1990
01:48:29.960 --> 01:48:33.399
after all the warnings, that this is not the America

1991
01:48:33.800 --> 01:48:35.399
that we once grew out and grew up in. The

1992
01:48:35.479 --> 01:48:41.359
Joe Biden Kamala Harris vision of America censored free speech,

1993
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of lockdowns, of government experttocracy, of being forced to buy

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you know, evs and having gas powered cars banned, to

1995
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have restrictions on meat, to have your thermostats controlled. None

1996
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of that was in America. Anyone wanted to have appliances

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01:48:58.239 --> 01:49:01.439
pizza oven wood fired pizza ovens regulated, To have your

1998
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washing machines made worthless and dishwashers made worthless, To have

1999
01:49:05.319 --> 01:49:08.479
your ceiling fans everything more expensive, to have your lawn

2000
01:49:08.520 --> 01:49:11.760
equipment band, to be forced to buy more expensive electric stuff,

2001
01:49:11.760 --> 01:49:15.239
which then what favors big companies who can afford more

2002
01:49:15.279 --> 01:49:20.199
expensive and crush small startups. Everything about that agenda was

2003
01:49:20.239 --> 01:49:24.359
anti American and destructive to you know what they claimed

2004
01:49:24.359 --> 01:49:26.560
to stand for. Well, should say what they claimed to

2005
01:49:26.680 --> 01:49:28.479
use to stand for, which was sort.

2006
01:49:28.319 --> 01:49:28.479
Of the.

2007
01:49:30.279 --> 01:49:34.039
Working class and middle class, And it was all about

2008
01:49:34.119 --> 01:49:37.000
transferring wealth from the poor and middle class to the

2009
01:49:37.039 --> 01:49:41.199
upper classes. And that's exactly what COVID lockdowns did. It

2010
01:49:41.239 --> 01:49:42.880
was the largest transfer of wealth from the poor and

2011
01:49:42.920 --> 01:49:45.880
middle class to the wealthy. In fact, you had Governor

2012
01:49:45.880 --> 01:49:49.359
Gavin Newsom, the Democrat governor California, bragging during COVID that

2013
01:49:49.399 --> 01:49:52.479
California had more billionaires than any other state, like his

2014
01:49:52.600 --> 01:49:56.199
economic plan was working great. Meanwhile, people can't even afford

2015
01:49:56.279 --> 01:49:57.520
to live anywhere in California.

2016
01:49:57.520 --> 01:49:59.039
You can't afford a gallon of gas.

2017
01:49:59.319 --> 01:50:01.319
And he's bragged, think about how many billionaires they have

2018
01:50:01.439 --> 01:50:04.920
as he shut the state down and crushed people. Well,

2019
01:50:04.960 --> 01:50:07.920
he ate out at find restaurants, and he gave exemptions

2020
01:50:07.960 --> 01:50:11.800
to Hollywood to film indoors and all that to violate

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01:50:11.840 --> 01:50:15.800
the lockdown mask well growth, mom and pop restaurants were question.

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01:50:16.800 --> 01:50:20.359
That was to me the exact revelation. And I think

2023
01:50:20.399 --> 01:50:24.600
that ultimately the COVID lockdowns spawned the whole second Trump

2024
01:50:24.680 --> 01:50:27.399
term and spawned this whole revolution against and.

2025
01:50:27.479 --> 01:50:32.520
And it spawned the incivility that Americans are fed up

2026
01:50:32.560 --> 01:50:36.640
with you know, the political violence, all this stuff, the

2027
01:50:36.760 --> 01:50:43.039
rhetoric coming from you know, uh, you know, Jasmine what's

2028
01:50:43.119 --> 01:50:48.399
your last thing? What's Crocker? Uh, you know, and Crocker

2029
01:50:48.560 --> 01:50:51.720
and then uh, you know Maxine Waters, she's always been consistent,

2030
01:50:52.239 --> 01:50:56.000
and you know, and Nancy Pelosium and go right on

2031
01:50:56.079 --> 01:50:58.760
down saw the left. And I get tired of people saying, well,

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01:50:59.159 --> 01:51:01.119
you know, you get the same thing on the right

2033
01:51:01.159 --> 01:51:04.159
to No, we don't, you know, I mean, do you

2034
01:51:04.199 --> 01:51:07.479
get some anger from from the right, yes, but I don't.

2035
01:51:07.560 --> 01:51:09.479
I don't see where the right's pulling out guns and

2036
01:51:09.479 --> 01:51:11.640
shooting anybody. But of course then they would what do

2037
01:51:11.680 --> 01:51:15.960
they wanted to fall to? Well, January sixth, January sixth, it.

2038
01:51:15.960 --> 01:51:18.479
Was not an insurrection, but was a riot. Obviously they

2039
01:51:18.479 --> 01:51:22.000
got a little bit out of control. But every mythology

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01:51:22.039 --> 01:51:23.560
about that, I mean, that was when I like to

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01:51:23.600 --> 01:51:27.279
see what Trump uh pardoned all of that, because that

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01:51:27.399 --> 01:51:29.359
was the point where they were. They did the same

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01:51:29.359 --> 01:51:33.000
thing in Brazil and they actually jailed Bolsonaro, the president

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01:51:33.039 --> 01:51:35.800
of former president of Brazil, basically on January sixth, style

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01:51:35.880 --> 01:51:38.640
charges claimed he tried to do an insurrection and therefore

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he's going to jail, he's ineligible to run for office,

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01:51:41.239 --> 01:51:42.880
and The New York Times a couple of days ago

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01:51:43.119 --> 01:51:45.479
praised Brazil's decision and said this is what should have

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01:51:45.479 --> 01:51:47.840
happened in the US. So, according to the New York

2050
01:51:47.840 --> 01:51:51.960
Times editorial Board as of mid September twenty twenty five,

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01:51:52.199 --> 01:51:54.479
they think Donald Trump should have been jailed and never

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01:51:54.560 --> 01:51:57.319
allowed to even run for president, let alone be president.

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We have a lot of work they'll still do.

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01:51:59.720 --> 01:52:02.720
Bill Yeah, without a doubt. He's executive editor in chief

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01:52:02.720 --> 01:52:06.079
correspondent for climatedepot dot com. Mark Brono has been with us.

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01:52:06.079 --> 01:52:08.520
Mark is always appreciate the time. Take care all right,

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01:52:08.560 --> 01:52:09.840
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