Sept. 16, 2025

The Bill Martinez Show 09 16 25

The Bill Martinez Show 09 16 25
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The Bill Martinez Show 09 16 25
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Are you ready?

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Yeah, Okay, let's do it.

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Bill Martinez Live a program about current events, our culture,

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our values, our politics, and our future.

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And now Bill Martinez.

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Well, good morning America. Bill Martinez here. Great to have

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you with us. Also great to have my good friend

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Bill Federer, the American Minute creator. Mister Bill, how you doing.

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Great to be with you, Bill, Well, always.

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Good to be with you. We're gonna talk about Constitution Day,

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but you know that's for us old schoolers. We still

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look at as Constitution Day. The modern title is Constitution

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Day and Citizenship Day. But we'll get into that in

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just a moment. But before we do, I wanted to

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get you know, your perspective on all that happened to

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our country last week with Charlie Kirk and his assassination.

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Yeah, it's shocking. I still haven't processed. Charlie and I

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were friends for a dozen years, and I went to

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my calendar and checked it. In twenty fourteen, I was

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the keynote speaker in the little town in central Illinois, Robinson, Illinois.

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They had the civic center with about five hundred people

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and I come in, nice crowd, sit down, I go

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through my notes, and I couldn't concentrate because they had

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a warm up speaker.

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It was this guy that was.

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Nineteen, just got out of high school, and he talked

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about a businessman paying him to take a year off

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before college to give speeches on free market capitalism and

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conservative values.

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And he was so captivating. And it was Charlie Kirk.

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And then.

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A few years later, I'm on a hunt with Foster Freeze.

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He was the nicest conservative.

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Billionaire you'd ever meet.

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He began to support me when I ran for Congress

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in the year two thousand. He since passed away, but

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for nearly twenty years, UH, he would have me join

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a small group of a couple dozen guys to go

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fest and hunting in uh South Dakota.

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Uh.

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The list included you know, Ross pro Junior and Tucker

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Carlson and Andrew Barbart and you.

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Know center at phone and my governor, Mike Brown.

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But one year I was one year was UH where

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I saw Charlie Kirk again. And you know that the

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highlight wasn't really the hunting, was sitting around the fireplace

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and Foster Freeze would have each person give a little talk,

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and you'd always have me talk on history, but Charlie

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I got up and talked about how he had this idea.

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To engage the youth.

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And he ran into Foster at a political event and

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followed him up two flights of stairs and uh, giving

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his elevator pitch. I guess it really wasn't an elevator.

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But and in Foster's classic style, he says, I like

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what you're doing, Uh, call so into it my office

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and they'll cut you a check. And that was the

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beginning of the funding that helped Turning Point USA expand

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exponentially like it did. And uh and and so as

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the years went on. Rob McCoy is a pastor of

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Thousand Oaks, California. Uh, he also was the mayor of

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Thousand Oaks, California at the same time. And uh, it

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just and I spoke across the country with him for

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nearly a decade, giving talks with American Renewal Project David Lane.

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So we'd have my Kuckabee and Ted Cruz and Oz

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Guinness and you know David Barton, I mean the Eric

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mattaxas the a list of conservative speakers. I don't know

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why they included me in there, but he did. But

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I remember Rob saying I'm gonna have Charlie speak at

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my church Sunday, and I want you to speak with him.

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And so you know, I'm.

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Flying out, but the flame plane gets canceled in Las Vegas,

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and it's it's like midnight on Saturday night. Church is Sunday.

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There's no more flights, and so I desided rent a car,

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but there's no cars. I have to wait till like

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two in the morning.

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I get the car.

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I drive across the Mohave Desert and the complete pitch dark.

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There's no lights, no other cars on the road, and

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there's a million stars.

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I remember so profoundly.

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I get to the church and right before service, I

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meet Erica. Charlie just got engaged. She was a former

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Miss Arizona and and so.

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We shared the platform together.

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It was one of those moments where you just felt

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the Lord was orchestrating in him.

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Uh, and then the.

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Lord was keeping you awake as well.

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Yeah, yeah, it was. It was uh.

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But But then as the years went on, Charlie would

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call me and text me asking history questions, and and

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then when he decided to go just from college campuses

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to also speaking with pastors and churches, Rob McCoy helped

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them start Turning Point Faith and asked me to move

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out to California or Arizona with my wife and be

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a part of it. And we had just moved to Florida,

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and you know what that's like, like, I'm not up

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for another move, So he declined. I always wonder what

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would have happened. But then the next year, Charlie decided

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to start Turning Point education. And so Rob and I

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and Charlie went out to dinner and we you know,

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talked to the vision and everything to supply curriculum to

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homeschools and micro schools and classical schools and charter and

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Christian schools, and to get these conservative Christian values into

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a teachable form.

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I remember overhearing Rob McCoy.

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Asked Charlie what he was going to do that weekend,

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and he says, I'm going to fast this weekend. I

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have to hear from God on some big decisions. Thought wow,

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at the time he was like in his twenties. But

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it's like, you know, going to skip a weekend to

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fast and then uh, And so then we agreed to

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do that. So we do a weekly How we got

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here video, it's really well, we have a tremendous production crew.

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But you can go to Turning Point Academy or Turning

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Point Education. I think it's turningpoint ed dot com now

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and look up resources and anybody can sign up for

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it turning ed dot com. And so anyway, I would

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always be thrilled to h when he'd have me on

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his podcast, and uh, he text me from time to

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I went through my phone the night that he died,

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I didn't sleep at all, and I went through my

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years of texting and and he must have texted me

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a hundred scriptures.

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It just, you know, out of the.

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Blue, he texted me, you know, psalms this or that,

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and it would always be something encouraging and and then

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I would, you know, text him back and and so

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here in the middle of all of his meeting with

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President Trump and Vice President Vance, he'd take time to

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text me ascription. And but we uh I did the

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the Freedom Night with him at a Dream City church

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in Phoenix. Uh Luke Barnett's the pastor, and he just

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texted me, can you come out to Phoenix August third?

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And I'm like, you know, okay, wasn't quite sure what

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it's all about and we get there and the church

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is like, you know, packed, and and we get on

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the front row and he turns to me and goes,

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they're all here for you.

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It's like I really didn't believe that.

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But he did the.

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Thing with the two chairs on the platform and we

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talked question answers and they all seem to love it.

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And but it was just, you know, it's like I

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thought it was gonna be a small group. It was like,

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you know, must have been five thousand people there.

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Wow.

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But we were just with him last week like six

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days ago in Soeul, Korea, and the for those not

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keeping up with it, they had their elections stolen and

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they have now a pro communist president who sent a

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delegation over to Beijing to be there for their big

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military parade. And then he sends the communications to North

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Korea want to reunify.

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And then he.

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Works with Bill Gates for millions of vaccines that do

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mandatory vaxes, and then he pushes the trans agenda. And

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a pastor pastor Son s O n a young bo.

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He is the pastor of Segoro Church in Busan, a

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big church. He organizes a million people and they fill

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the streets of Seoul four kilometers long, like four miles,

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and they're all protesting the trans bill. And when the

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new president gets sworn in, he turns on and has

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they are right now. Bill Martinez here with Bill Fedder.

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Bill pick up the story. We're in Seoul, Korea, and

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you this was just recently that you were there with Charlie.

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Right, Yeah, six days ago and the.

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President the government raided this pastor's house, seized his cell phones,

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filed twenty two lawsuits against him. And so the little

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girl that organized the whole events called build Up Korea,

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Meana Kim. She arranged for Charlie and I and some

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others to meet with this pastor. And Charlie said to him,

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he said, if you get arrested, because they were gonna

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put a warn out for him. He says I'm going

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to let President Trump know, and I'm gonna let everybody

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in America know what's going on here in Soul Korea,

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for the first time in their countries, twenty five percent

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of the country's Christian, for the first time ever, they

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have these law fair charges and they put a pastor

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in jail. So two days after we left, they arrested

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the pastor. And then the the day.

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Before Charlie was was.

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Shot, he texted me a scripture one Corinthian sixteen nine.

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It said, there are many effectual doors about a ministry opportunity,

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but there are many adversaries. And so he that was

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the last text I got from him. And then two

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days ago, I'm finishing up an interview and I see

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all these texts that he got shot, and you know,

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I call me whatever, but it looked to me like

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it was a professional sniper. It looked like it was

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probably coordinated with like the same people that tried to

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assassinate Trump, because.

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Charlie was such a powerful voice mobilizing young people.

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And anyway, it's just really again, I haven't processed at all,

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and I somebody put a AI generated picture of Charlie

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walking up the White marble steps into heaven to meet Jesus,

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and and then he's turning around and he's passing the

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baton to a crowd of young people that are holding

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up their hands.

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Yeah.

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One young guy in his early teens did a video

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and he goes, this is the turning point, and it

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is that the baton has been passed. That it's not

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one person, Charlie, it's that there has to be a

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whole generation of young people. Charlie's yeah, that we're not afraid.

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And he this young guy quoted the scripture, unlets's seed

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go into the ground and die, bides alone, but if

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it dies, it will bear forth much fruit. And he says,

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this is, you know, clearly referring to Jesus, but in

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a similar sense is Charlie's life.

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That he died.

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But his whole goal was to mobilize young people to

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appreciate the freedoms that we have and to be willing

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to fight for him and to you know, pass them on.

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And Bill, I think people misunderstood Charlie, you know, especially

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people that were not necessarily spiritually mature. Charlie was a

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very defined, spiritually committed individual. That's why he could go

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forth in boldness and courage, you know, being a light

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to a dark world and certainly these dark campuses there.

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And he was asked about, you know, was he afraid?

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And you know what Charlie reminded us all was that,

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you know, in Christ, what do you have to fear?

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Because our fate is sealed. Its sealed an eternity with Jesus.

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So whether we're here or we're there, I mean, the

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proposition is really win win for people of faith, isn't it.

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Yeah, it is, you know, just sort of the way

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things work. On their speaking schedule in the event in Soul, Korea,

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I was I was the warm up speaker for for Charlie.

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I was the speaker right before he got up, and

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I thought, gee, eleven years earlier, here you are. He

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was the warm up speaker for me, and and uh

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and now you know, I'm sort of the nobody and

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warming up for him. And but he he talked about

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how that.

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This movement of young people for for liberty is global. Yes,

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the place was.

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Packed with thousands of young Koreans. They they sense with

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North Korea hanging over their shoulder, that their freedoms and

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then you have Hong Kong was free and now it's

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fallen and Taiwan is under, you know, and so they

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they sense that something needs to be done. And and

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I can't help but think that that God is is

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wanting young people to to rise up and that this

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is the time to do it.

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Well, I think it's interesting that they capture the analogy

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of passing the baton. You and I talked about this.

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If you might recall when Billy Graham passed and uh,

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and my question to God was who who next? And

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the impression I got was that God was intending to

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raise up lots of Billy Grams and uh and I

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and I felt that echoing again with the passing of

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Charlie Kirk and somebody else has captured that. And that's

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the thing that you know, that we love about our

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Father is that he has a way of communicating his

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sovereignty and his mission through various channels. You know. This

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is why the voice of the prophet is so important

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and lives to this day. Is that we know in part,

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we prophesy in part, and people are given a little

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piece of the puzzle to go and cast out there

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to serve as an encouragement for this next chapter. That

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God has planned for you know, for his creation.

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You know, I'm just going through all my texts with Charlie.

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April twentieth, I texted him a link to the Keith

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Greens Easter song.

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Yeah, oh, I love that song.

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Yes, And I said, Charlie, Happy Easter to you and

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Erica and your entire wonderful family.

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This is my favorite song.

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And he texted back and he goes, thank you, and

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then he says Romans ten nine, because if you confess

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with your mouth the Lord ges Jesus Lord, and believe

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in your heart that God raised them from the dead,

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you will be saved. And then he says, let's share

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the truth of the resurrection daily with boldness and love.

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God bless you, my friend.

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He was so sincere about his faith and I then

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June eighth of this year, he texted me Matthew five nine,

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blessed are the peacemakers. They shall be called the sons

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of God.

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And yeah, you know, and that's interesting that he would

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use that, And you bring it up right now, because

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too many people saw him as not a peacemaker and

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did not understand, as I said earlier, didn't understand his

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spiritual maturity and what he was bringing, you know, bringing

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to these campuses and opening their minds and hearts to

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the truth of God. Bill.

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Yeah, because if you really love somebody, you're going to

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tell him the truth.

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Right.

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You know, if they're on a road where the bridge

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is out and they're driving sixty miles an hour, you're

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going to stand there on the side and wave your

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hands saying slow down. March of this year, March twelfth,

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he texted me Isaiah twenty sixty three, you will keep

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him in perfect peace of mind to state upon you

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because he trusts in you. March fourteenth of this year,

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he texted me First John one night, if we confess

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our sins, he's faithful and just to forgive us of

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our sins and clenches of all and righteousness. And you know,

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it's amazing to me that he could meet with President

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Trump and Vice President Vance and all these important people

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and then take time to text me a scripture and.

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The following Bill, I mean millions of people. I mean,

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his following was so massive. I mean, talk about a

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generational figure. Right. We got about a minute left here,

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so I'm gonna let you sum it up, and we're

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going to have to do Constitution Day and Citizens Day

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celebration at another time. But you know, say, we needed

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to have this conversation. So I appreciate your grace, Thank

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you well.

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The Lincolns Gettysburg address comes to mind, where he talks

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about four score and seven years ago, and now I

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think now two hundred and fifty years ago, our fathers

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brought forth in this continent a new nation, conceived in

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liberty and dedicated the proposition all men are created equal.

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of that war to dedicate a portion of the field.

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dedicate it. He says that brave men, living and dead,

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and Charlie is now among those who struggled here, have

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consecrated far more than our poor power to add or detract.

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rather to be dedicated here to the unfinished work for

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which they who fought here have thus so nobly advanced.

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Good Morning America, Bill Martinez here and the Bill Federer

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The American Minute, the creator, nationally known speaker and best

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selling author, is with us. Bill. Good morning, how are

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you well.

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It's great to be with you.

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Bill Well we're celebrating Constitution Day and Citizenship Day. It

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started out I guess this Constitution Day, and now it's

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in the modern era. We have to add Citizenship Day

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to it.

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Right, Well, that's a good thing.

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The word I think solt word citizen means a member

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of the city and those words in Greek. The name

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the city is Polis, like Indianapolis and Minneapolis, and the

497
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Greek name for citizen is polite, to where we get

498
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the word polite or policy, and then if we don't

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follow that, there's police. But the Greek word polity, a

500
00:28:22.319 --> 00:28:31.400
citizen has the connotation of participating in rulership. So citizenship

501
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is in a sense rulership. You're a co ruler, a

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co sovereign, a co king. Yes, and so Athens had

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00:28:41.559 --> 00:28:44.119
six thousand citizens and there was no king. So it's

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up to the people to decide what's going to happen.

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And when you have threats from other countries like Persia,

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you need to get your military going. Decisions need to

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00:28:52.799 --> 00:28:54.640
be made. Well, who's going to make it when there's

508
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no king, and so it's up to the people. And

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they would call them out of their houses to the marketplace,

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the agora and The word for call out is eclicia

511
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ek means out of cleasy, means a call. And so

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all the people that are called out of their house

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to this marketplace to make decisions is called the ecclesia,

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the gathering of those who have been called out. And

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Jesus chose to use that word that upon this rock,

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I'll build my ecclesia, my governing body the people that

517
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everybody has to participate. And so it's this idea, Paul,

518
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and somebody's an eye and near a foot, right, We're

519
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all doing something, but we all have to participate. It's

520
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not a spectator religion where you watch somebody else do

521
00:29:42.799 --> 00:29:44.519
the ministry exactly.

522
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Yeah, it's it's shared by all the participants. And that

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is what adds value to your citizenship, right, because you

524
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have skin in the game.

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Yeah.

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I like it to a dead pyramid rule top down

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by a king, and a living tree that's alive bottom

528
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up through the roots. And you get a magnifying glass

529
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and look at the roots.

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Of the tree.

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You got these little bitty, microscopic little roots. But everyone

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is important because they're each participating in sucking up nutrients

533
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in a bottom up form of government, which is what

534
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a republic is. Everybody has to contribute, has to be involved.

535
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And so I like big picture of stuff, and I

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probably mentioned it on your program before, But I spent

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a few years researching every century of human history, and

538
00:30:37.240 --> 00:30:40.480
the most common form of government's a king. And as

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00:30:40.519 --> 00:30:43.519
the centuries go on, the kingdoms get bigger, until the

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00:30:43.599 --> 00:30:44.839
King of England was the biggest.

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He was a.

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Globalist, a one world government guy.

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And the Puritans and Pilgrims that broke away and founded America,

544
00:30:54.440 --> 00:30:58.599
they were Christians that were not Anglican. They had a

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different form of church government that they got from the Bible.

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And what part of the Bible that first four hundred

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years out of Egypt before they got a king. So Plato,

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you know, Greece, we're talking, you know, maybe four hundred BC,

549
00:31:15.839 --> 00:31:20.160
three eighty BC. When we're talking Israel, we're talking fourteen

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hundred BC. So is when Moses comes out of Egypt

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and with fourty with a couple million Israelites, and for four.

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00:31:29.640 --> 00:31:30.839
Centuries there's no king.

553
00:31:32.240 --> 00:31:35.920
It's it's a one download. It's not trial and error

554
00:31:35.960 --> 00:31:38.599
like the Greeks and Normans iss. In one download, Moses

555
00:31:38.680 --> 00:31:43.480
gets this boom, this law and it's this system where

556
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everybody's equal, and you treat everybody equal because you're accountable

557
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to God, and he's a fair god. So it doesn't

558
00:31:51.359 --> 00:31:55.240
really work with a Greek aphrodite goddess of love, with

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temple prostitutes. It works with a God who is just.

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And God knew that people would sin, so once a

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00:32:03.079 --> 00:32:06.079
year they had the Day of Atonement and the sacrifices.

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00:32:06.160 --> 00:32:08.920
Blood was put on the altar and everybody sins are forgiven,

563
00:32:09.039 --> 00:32:10.359
and they all start the new year off with a

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00:32:10.400 --> 00:32:16.400
clean slate. And that's obviously foreshadowing Jesus for us as Christians.

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And anyway, so ancient Israel, four hundred years out of Egypt,

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00:32:21.799 --> 00:32:24.920
there's no king. It's called the Hebrew Republic. And it

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00:32:25.079 --> 00:32:29.880
worked until the priests went woke. You're like, what, yeah, here,

568
00:32:29.920 --> 00:32:32.359
here's Eli. The high priest is own suns, are sleeping

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with women in the tent where the ark of the

570
00:32:33.960 --> 00:32:36.920
Covenant is. Another levite with a silver graven image in

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00:32:36.920 --> 00:32:38.440
the house of a guy named Micah, when the law

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00:32:38.480 --> 00:32:40.759
says you're not supposed to have graven images, and another

573
00:32:40.839 --> 00:32:43.359
levite with a concubine. The law says levites to marry

574
00:32:43.359 --> 00:32:45.319
a version of his own tribe, and the poor concubine

575
00:32:45.359 --> 00:32:47.200
gets raped to death by a bunch of sodomites. Something

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00:32:47.240 --> 00:32:50.480
about that behavior that appears in this lawless last phase.

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And so the people go to Samuel of Prophet. They say,

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the self government system is not working anymore. It's broken.

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00:32:55.599 --> 00:32:57.319
We want to be like the other countries. We want

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00:32:57.400 --> 00:32:59.839
a king. And Samuel cries and the Lord tells them

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00:32:59.839 --> 00:33:02.640
they did not reject to you, they rejected me. And

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so they get King Saul, who turns on and kills

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00:33:04.640 --> 00:33:08.359
most of the priests. And so why is this story important?

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The kings of Europe look to the Bible, but they

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look to the King Saul and after, and the Puritans

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that found that America looked to the before King Saul.

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So King Saul's the divider between Europe and America. They're

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00:33:22.079 --> 00:33:24.519
both looking to the Bible, but one's looking to the

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00:33:24.640 --> 00:33:27.119
King Saul and after divine right of King's royal gang

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00:33:27.200 --> 00:33:31.160
leader dead pyramid top down. And the Pilgrims and Puritans

591
00:33:31.440 --> 00:33:35.279
later Baptist, Presbyterians, Quakers, Dutch Reformed, they look to this

592
00:33:35.440 --> 00:33:39.319
covenant model with where you have order without a king,

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00:33:39.559 --> 00:33:41.720
get rights from God. You're fair to your neighbor because

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you're accountable to God. And so America drew from this period.

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00:33:50.119 --> 00:33:53.640
Now why is this important? Well, the Constitution, it's a

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way to have a government without a king. It's we

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00:33:56.960 --> 00:34:00.839
the people people right, and the declaration says government from

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the consent to the governed. I guarantee kings in Europe

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00:34:06.559 --> 00:34:08.199
did not ask the people for their consent.

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Can you mention a.

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00:34:09.760 --> 00:34:13.079
Muslim sultan saying people, can I do this? Or a

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00:34:13.159 --> 00:34:18.119
Chinese emperor right with two thousand concubines and one hundred

603
00:34:18.119 --> 00:34:23.320
thousand man army asking the people for permission, Indian maharaja's,

604
00:34:23.400 --> 00:34:25.679
Russian czars, I've been the terrible He's not going to

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00:34:25.679 --> 00:34:30.360
ask the people for their consent, African chieftains. No, this

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00:34:30.639 --> 00:34:33.880
idea of government from the consent of the government is

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00:34:34.280 --> 00:34:38.480
unique in America, and it's drawn from this pre King

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Saul period of the Bible.

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So Bill, what an anethe must have been for all

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00:34:44.840 --> 00:34:47.079
these other leaders. All of a sudden you have this

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00:34:47.239 --> 00:34:53.000
American idea coming out, you know from you know pre

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00:34:54.119 --> 00:34:58.960
Saul days, going back to Moses, and you know the

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consent of the governor. And then everybody is going to

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00:35:01.800 --> 00:35:05.800
be involved in the governing of their country, and these

615
00:35:06.239 --> 00:35:09.159
czars and kings and everything must have just thought these

616
00:35:09.559 --> 00:35:12.280
people are either crazy or you know, they're just gonna

617
00:35:12.480 --> 00:35:14.880
you know, go away or worship. We got to find

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a way to kill that idea altogether, right.

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Yeah, it's interesting.

620
00:35:19.960 --> 00:35:24.000
Ancient Israel came out of Egypt and one of the

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pharaohes in the thirteen hundreds was Mernepta. And so there's

622
00:35:29.039 --> 00:35:35.519
the Mernepta steel. Now it's stone, but it's carved memorial

623
00:35:35.679 --> 00:35:41.000
of this pharaoh's military conquest and he goes into the

624
00:35:41.039 --> 00:35:44.760
area of Canaan and he conquers a king and there's

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00:35:44.800 --> 00:35:47.920
a little hieroglyph of a king over his castle. And

626
00:35:47.960 --> 00:35:50.719
then he conquers this other king and his little king

627
00:35:50.760 --> 00:35:53.559
over a castle, and then it conquers into Israel, and

628
00:35:53.599 --> 00:35:55.519
there's the symbol for people.

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It's like, we really couldn't find a king in the castle.

630
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It's just a bunch of people.

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Yeah.

632
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So here you have a secular historical source saying what

633
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was happening in Israel is is an anomaly. Yes, you

634
00:36:10.920 --> 00:36:12.800
have to keep pulling themselves without a king, and it

635
00:36:12.800 --> 00:36:15.440
work because everybody's taught the law and personally accountable.

636
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To God to follow it. And then I in my book.

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Constitution Day and Citizenship Day celebration here in America. Okay, Bill,

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you were saying.

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Well, so king is the norm, and the first gang

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leader king in that we have record of is Nimrod.

725
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So those are down the valley Tiger Cuyphry's rivers between

726
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and it's very fertile, so it's the fertile Crescent, and

727
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that's where most archaeologists say that civilization began, and Nimrod

728
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wanted to control it. And Josephus, the Jewish commentator said,

729
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Nimrod wanted to build his tower so high that if

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God destroyed the world again with a flood, he could

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survive on top. And he made everybody baked bricks and

732
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bring them or he would kill them. He wanted people

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to fear the government more than fear God. Right, and

734
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since the population of the world is there and he

735
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wants to control it, in a sense, he was the

736
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first globalist. He was the first one world government guy.

737
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Exactly.

738
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God comes down confuses the languages that people scatter into

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language groups that turn into nations.

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Lo and behold.

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Nations were gods invention to postpone one world government. But

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every generation gets some king pharaoh's zeser kaiser that wants

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to conquer other nations with the latest military or technological advancement.

744
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And if they hadn't died, they'd been happy to keep killing.

745
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Attila the hun had an army of a half a

746
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million people. Well, he wiped out cities across Europe. Genghis

747
00:42:02.960 --> 00:42:06.039
Khan killed thirty million people, right, I mean if these

748
00:42:06.039 --> 00:42:08.480
guys Napoleons said, you know, if these guys hadn't died,

749
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they'd been happy to keep killing. So in that sense,

750
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death is a blessing and the devil has to start

751
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from scratch with the next generation, but he has the

752
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latest military advancements to do it with. And you have

753
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the temptation of Jesus where the devil takes him to

754
00:42:24.000 --> 00:42:27.239
a high mountain shows him what all the kingdoms of

755
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the world in a moment of time, says, all this

756
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has been given to me.

757
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I can give it to whoever I.

758
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Want a bout on him worship me, and Jesus says,

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I'll should worship the Lord that God, and him only

760
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shall thoull serve. And you think that that's pretty audashious

761
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to the devil to say all these kingdoms. When did

762
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he get him when Adam sinned? Yeah, so Adam was

763
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in charge of the garden. How do we know he

764
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named everything? Naming something means you have authority over something.

765
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Adam he was the authority. But the Bible says, to

766
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whomever you yield your members to obey to him, you

767
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are a servant. The moment Adam sinned, he made himself

768
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a servant, a sin and the devil you served power.

769
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And so what all the kingdoms of the world have

770
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in common top down through fear, a gang leader king.

771
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And when Jesus told his disciples, the kings of the

772
00:43:14.840 --> 00:43:18.760
gentiles rule over them, but it shall not be so

773
00:43:18.840 --> 00:43:22.440
among you. He that is greatest among you, let him

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be the servant of all I am among you, as

775
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he that serveth. So we're talking kingdoms, and Jesus is saying, look,

776
00:43:28.840 --> 00:43:30.719
all the kingdoms of the world are top down through

777
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free of mine is bottom up through love. So we

778
00:43:34.239 --> 00:43:38.360
see this top down versus bottom up. And we first

779
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saw it with a change in church structure with a

780
00:43:42.320 --> 00:43:47.320
congregational model that coincided with the invention of the printing press.

781
00:43:48.000 --> 00:43:51.840
Say what Yeah, So the Bible wasn't handwritten in Latin

782
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for a thousand years, and the common people did not

783
00:43:57.280 --> 00:43:59.920
read Latin, and most of them couldn't even read anyway,

784
00:44:00.360 --> 00:44:05.360
and so the minister was the go between you and God.

785
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Once the printing press was invented and the Bible was

786
00:44:07.960 --> 00:44:12.320
translated into common languages, then the pastor's role changed. Instead

787
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of being the intermediary, the pastor was training the saints

788
00:44:16.559 --> 00:44:20.760
to read the Bible and to do something. And the

789
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biblical literacy of the congregation rose, and the nursery children's

790
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Church Junior I outreached city council. They would get involved

791
00:44:29.639 --> 00:44:32.000
and so they could be entrusted with church leadership. So

792
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it's what's called the congregational model of church structure. Well,

793
00:44:36.199 --> 00:44:39.239
that's what the Pilgrims had and the Puritans and they

794
00:44:39.320 --> 00:44:43.719
settled New England, and so you literally had churches founding cities.

795
00:44:44.440 --> 00:44:46.599
So Providence, Rhode Island was founded by the first Baptist

796
00:44:46.719 --> 00:44:48.840
church in America. Hartford, Connecticut was found by the first

797
00:44:48.880 --> 00:44:52.320
congregational church. Everybody's involved in church, and everybody's involved in

798
00:44:52.360 --> 00:44:56.000
city government because it's the church founding the city exactly.

799
00:44:56.079 --> 00:45:00.800
And now the back to the tower, babyl and God

800
00:45:00.840 --> 00:45:04.840
took the power of that Nimrod had and scattered it,

801
00:45:04.880 --> 00:45:07.480
separated it amongst all the different people groups because of

802
00:45:07.519 --> 00:45:10.960
the languages. In a sense, our constitution does the same thing.

803
00:45:11.440 --> 00:45:14.719
It takes the power of a king, and it separates

804
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it into three branches, separates at federal estate level, ties

805
00:45:19.800 --> 00:45:22.199
up this governing power with ten handcuffs we call the

806
00:45:22.199 --> 00:45:27.599
first ten Amendments. In other words, you could say, well,

807
00:45:27.760 --> 00:45:32.599
let's get a committee to look over the government. Well,

808
00:45:32.639 --> 00:45:34.880
the committee's made up of people that can be bribed.

809
00:45:35.159 --> 00:45:37.199
So we need a committee to overlook that committee. Well,

810
00:45:37.199 --> 00:45:38.920
that's made up with people and they can be bribed.

811
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And so the brilliance that James Madison said, there are

812
00:45:43.039 --> 00:45:46.800
no angels among us. We're all sinful creatures. And so

813
00:45:47.239 --> 00:45:52.000
let's design a system of government where selfish people keep

814
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other selfish people from becoming selfish.

815
00:45:55.199 --> 00:45:56.679
And so you take the.

816
00:45:56.719 --> 00:46:01.320
Power of Congress makes the law, President enacts it and

817
00:46:01.360 --> 00:46:04.719
signs it into law, and then the courts make sure

818
00:46:04.840 --> 00:46:09.119
that it's enacted the way that the writers intended, but

819
00:46:09.199 --> 00:46:11.800
it's a three way tug of war, and so you

820
00:46:11.920 --> 00:46:15.719
have greed checking, greed, selfishness check. Each branch is selfishly

821
00:46:15.760 --> 00:46:17.519
wanting to pull more power to it.

822
00:46:18.559 --> 00:46:19.920
And it worked.

823
00:46:20.599 --> 00:46:21.840
And then George.

824
00:46:21.440 --> 00:46:27.079
Washington saw the beginnings of a threat. And it's called parties,

825
00:46:28.159 --> 00:46:32.280
not drinking parties, but political parties. And he said, you know,

826
00:46:32.400 --> 00:46:35.599
back then you had the Federalists wanted a stronger central

827
00:46:35.639 --> 00:46:38.039
government so you could have a navy to defend ourselves

828
00:46:38.039 --> 00:46:39.320
from British and French attack.

829
00:46:40.320 --> 00:46:41.679
Anti federalists wanted.

830
00:46:41.440 --> 00:46:44.880
A weaker central government so we would never repeat a king, George.

831
00:46:45.079 --> 00:46:47.280
And so this big government, small government tug of war

832
00:46:47.360 --> 00:46:49.519
was taking place, and it began to turn into parties,

833
00:46:50.239 --> 00:46:55.039
and Washington warned, He goes, this is dangerous. Party passions

834
00:46:55.519 --> 00:46:58.880
are going to destroy the country. Why because if two

835
00:46:59.119 --> 00:47:01.960
or more of the branches, right, three branches, if two

836
00:47:01.960 --> 00:47:04.519
of them are of the same party, they're going to say,

837
00:47:04.519 --> 00:47:07.639
why should we pull against each other, let's team up

838
00:47:07.639 --> 00:47:11.719
against the other party exactly, so it loses the dynamic tension.

839
00:47:12.480 --> 00:47:18.800
And so and then the first ten amendments were handcuffs.

840
00:47:18.800 --> 00:47:19.800
They did nothing.

841
00:47:20.159 --> 00:47:24.280
There's a preamble to the Bill Rights, and it says

842
00:47:24.840 --> 00:47:28.320
at the time of the adoption of the Constitution, several

843
00:47:28.360 --> 00:47:34.880
states were concerned of a abuse of power by the

844
00:47:35.320 --> 00:47:38.639
new federal government, and so the decision was made to

845
00:47:39.239 --> 00:47:45.920
put restrictions on the federal government's power. And so the

846
00:47:45.960 --> 00:47:49.639
first ten amendments are restrictions, and it says what Congress

847
00:47:49.760 --> 00:47:54.920
shall make no law. It limits the lawmaking body. They

848
00:47:54.920 --> 00:47:57.840
didn't think the President could make laws through executive orders

849
00:47:57.920 --> 00:48:00.559
or the courts could make laws through decision. Back then

850
00:48:00.599 --> 00:48:03.679
it was just congresshow making law respecting the establishment of

851
00:48:04.039 --> 00:48:06.639
religion or prohibiting the free extra size up and are

852
00:48:06.679 --> 00:48:08.280
taken away the freedom press, freeom of speech, for hum

853
00:48:08.280 --> 00:48:10.320
of smily, freedom of right to trial by your peers

854
00:48:10.320 --> 00:48:13.639
from to prevent the government taking away your guns right

855
00:48:14.320 --> 00:48:18.119
if they wanted to limit the federal government's power. And

856
00:48:18.719 --> 00:48:21.320
then separated amongst the states. And then the ninth and

857
00:48:21.360 --> 00:48:26.480
tenth Amendments say all powers not specifically delegated to the

858
00:48:26.519 --> 00:48:29.800
federal government remain in the hands of the states and

859
00:48:29.840 --> 00:48:33.360
the citizens, respectively. And so it's like dealing cards. And

860
00:48:33.360 --> 00:48:34.920
the people said, Okay, we're only going to give the

861
00:48:34.920 --> 00:48:37.440
federal gun. But a couple of cards. You keep all

862
00:48:37.440 --> 00:48:39.199
the rest of them close to our chest. We only

863
00:48:39.280 --> 00:48:43.519
want them to regulate interstate commerce, provide for a common defense,

864
00:48:44.239 --> 00:48:47.280
and maybe, you know, help have a stable currency. But

865
00:48:47.360 --> 00:48:49.840
all the rest of the day to day laws are

866
00:48:49.880 --> 00:48:53.800
going to be under the state level. Unfortunately, the federal

867
00:48:53.840 --> 00:48:58.599
government has gradually usurped power, partly because a lot of

868
00:48:58.639 --> 00:49:01.360
the people elected don't know what I just told you.

869
00:49:01.840 --> 00:49:04.079
They just knew how to get elected.

870
00:49:04.159 --> 00:49:11.320
And elected and avoid their you know, I guess bathe

871
00:49:11.360 --> 00:49:13.880
in their own greed, their natural greed tendencies.

872
00:49:13.960 --> 00:49:17.719
Right, yeah, the Nancy Pelosi insider trading stuff.

873
00:49:18.159 --> 00:49:21.559
All right, we got about a minute left here, Bill,

874
00:49:21.599 --> 00:49:23.800
so I'm gonna let you kind of sum it all

875
00:49:23.840 --> 00:49:26.159
up here and put a bow around this. Okay, go ahead.

876
00:49:26.719 --> 00:49:26.920
Yeah.

877
00:49:26.960 --> 00:49:29.320
So the constitution is a way to take the power

878
00:49:29.360 --> 00:49:32.400
of a king separated amongst the people. Why, because the

879
00:49:32.440 --> 00:49:37.599
citizen is the king. A republic r EP has the

880
00:49:37.639 --> 00:49:41.440
same three letters as representative. So you're the king, but

881
00:49:41.559 --> 00:49:45.280
you rule through representatives. And we pledge the leadi into

882
00:49:45.280 --> 00:49:47.559
the flag into the republic. Were pledgical leadians to us

883
00:49:47.559 --> 00:49:50.880
being in charge of ourselves. So again, this is something

884
00:49:50.880 --> 00:49:53.480
that we all It's not just a privilege, it's a responsibility.

885
00:49:53.480 --> 00:49:55.679
We all need to be involved and we all need

886
00:49:55.719 --> 00:49:58.559
to work why Proverbs as a good man leaves an

887
00:49:58.679 --> 00:50:01.719
inheritance to his children and children, we want to give

888
00:50:01.719 --> 00:50:04.719
our kids the freedom the same as we inherited.

889
00:50:05.360 --> 00:50:09.079
Exactly. Well, Bill Fetter, as always, you bless us richly,

890
00:50:09.440 --> 00:50:12.559
thank you so much for coming on the show. Bill

891
00:50:12.599 --> 00:50:16.519
Fetter is the American Minute creator, nationally known speaker, best

892
00:50:16.519 --> 00:50:19.119
selling author, and president of the research. The website they

893
00:50:19.119 --> 00:50:21.559
can go to to subscribe to the American Minute, Bill.

894
00:50:21.960 --> 00:50:24.400
It's Americanminute dot com.

895
00:50:24.800 --> 00:50:27.679
We're active in about fifteen campuses and we're growing very

896
00:50:27.760 --> 00:50:29.440
very quickly. And keep in mind, but this is not

897
00:50:29.480 --> 00:50:31.360
just a flash and the pan movement. We're going to

898
00:50:31.360 --> 00:50:33.480
become an institution to give them the power and the

899
00:50:33.480 --> 00:50:34.679
confidence to stand.

900
00:50:34.480 --> 00:50:35.880
Up and let their voice be heard.

901
00:50:35.920 --> 00:50:38.039
I started this organization when I was eighteen years old.

902
00:50:38.320 --> 00:50:40.480
I decided not to go to college. I didn't get

903
00:50:40.480 --> 00:50:42.480
in my dream school, which was the United States Military

904
00:50:42.480 --> 00:50:44.920
Academy at West Point. I have this idea to galvanize

905
00:50:44.960 --> 00:50:47.280
and motivate the future youth of this country around a

906
00:50:47.440 --> 00:50:50.480
core set of ideas, not just political parties or politicians,

907
00:50:50.480 --> 00:50:52.760
and the ideas are really America is the greatest country

908
00:50:52.800 --> 00:50:54.719
in the history of the world. Constitution is the greatest

909
00:50:54.719 --> 00:50:56.800
political document ever written in free enterprise, the most sure

910
00:50:56.920 --> 00:50:59.199
way to lift people out of poverty and create prosperity

911
00:50:59.239 --> 00:51:01.639
for all. Those are the three ideas, and I think

912
00:51:01.679 --> 00:51:04.480
that's something that can win. We as Christians are called

913
00:51:04.480 --> 00:51:08.920
to go into the public arena to correct error with truth.

914
00:51:09.159 --> 00:51:11.159
So I go to college campuses and there's a lot

915
00:51:11.199 --> 00:51:13.440
of error. We're all sinners, we are all living error.

916
00:51:13.760 --> 00:51:16.239
I'm far more interested in what God wants of me

917
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than what I want from God.

918
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I have to say this without getting emotional, but I'm

919
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very proud of my husband, and I know many of

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you are too. You have worked so hard, and I

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know a lot of you have seen. Obviously his video

922
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is on TikTok and all the stuff he does on campus,

923
00:51:35.119 --> 00:51:38.599
but no one gets to see him from my angle

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except for myself and our children. And the sacrifice is

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that he made this year. He's amazing.

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I'm very blessed, and I would not have been able

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to do any of it without Erica.

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Getting America back on track, Bill Martinez Live.

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00:54:29.800 --> 00:54:32.000
Welcome back to America, Bill Martinez here. Good to have you

969
00:54:32.039 --> 00:54:35.320
with us. We've got Thomas Jacoby with us right now,

970
00:54:35.360 --> 00:54:39.840
looking forward to talking about the Diary of a Country Priests,

971
00:54:39.840 --> 00:54:42.000
which is a great story. I mean, this is a

972
00:54:42.039 --> 00:54:45.480
book that was released back in the nineteen thirties, I

973
00:54:45.519 --> 00:54:49.639
think around nineteen thirty six, and yes it's back. It's

974
00:54:49.679 --> 00:54:52.280
been redone. I mean even then it was regarded as

975
00:54:52.320 --> 00:54:55.199
such a classic. So Thomas, you know, the idea of

976
00:54:56.000 --> 00:54:59.920
you know, I guess rewriting you know, such a classic novel.

977
00:55:00.519 --> 00:55:03.079
I had to take some courage just from the very beginning.

978
00:55:03.199 --> 00:55:05.519
How do you take something that has been so highly

979
00:55:05.559 --> 00:55:07.440
regarded and saying, hey, I think we can do a

980
00:55:07.440 --> 00:55:08.000
better job.

981
00:55:08.960 --> 00:55:09.159
Yeah.

982
00:55:09.280 --> 00:55:11.519
Well, what's interesting is so this.

983
00:55:11.320 --> 00:55:13.679
This book was written and was released in nineteen thirty six.

984
00:55:13.719 --> 00:55:15.519
Originally George Bernanos was born in.

985
00:55:15.440 --> 00:55:17.360
The eighty nine, one hundred.

986
00:55:17.119 --> 00:55:20.199
Years before being He actually fought World War One. He

987
00:55:20.320 --> 00:55:24.679
was in easy Verdun Wow, and he got basically the

988
00:55:24.719 --> 00:55:26.320
French equilent got there at the quad de Guerre, which

989
00:55:26.320 --> 00:55:28.000
is basically the French equivalent of the Silver Star.

990
00:55:28.079 --> 00:55:31.239
He was maybe, you know, he got he was for valor.

991
00:55:31.000 --> 00:55:33.559
In battle, you know, he was. He was decorated for that.

992
00:55:34.079 --> 00:55:36.719
And he didn't start writing until after that. And he

993
00:55:36.800 --> 00:55:39.400
was deeply marked by his experience. As World War One

994
00:55:39.599 --> 00:55:43.639
and the devastation that had wreaked on Europe in general,

995
00:55:43.960 --> 00:55:46.880
there was a general mood of depression. Let's just say

996
00:55:46.960 --> 00:55:50.079
in Europe famously after World War One. That's really where

997
00:55:50.880 --> 00:55:54.519
what they call data ism comes from. Existentialism. It's really

998
00:55:54.559 --> 00:55:57.320
kind of in this dark mood. And George Burnos he

999
00:55:57.400 --> 00:56:00.639
soaked up that same atmosphere and he turned it into

1000
00:56:00.679 --> 00:56:05.519
something different because it was deeply, deeply Catholic, so Bernanos.

1001
00:56:05.679 --> 00:56:09.599
So he writes Diabray Country Priest in nineteen thirty six.

1002
00:56:09.719 --> 00:56:12.000
Now this is during the rise of I mean, you know,

1003
00:56:12.400 --> 00:56:17.280
the Third Reich is consolidating his power in Germany. Pretty

1004
00:56:17.280 --> 00:56:21.159
gloomy again in Europe and direby Country Priest has written

1005
00:56:21.159 --> 00:56:23.800
in this in this kind of atmosphere. Now, when it

1006
00:56:23.800 --> 00:56:26.519
was originally translated into English, it was it was translated

1007
00:56:26.519 --> 00:56:27.960
by a British woman, Pamela Morris.

1008
00:56:27.960 --> 00:56:29.719
I don't we don't know much about her.

1009
00:56:30.119 --> 00:56:33.159
But she she actually let either she or her editor

1010
00:56:33.239 --> 00:56:36.119
let not only mistranslated a lot of portions.

1011
00:56:36.159 --> 00:56:38.440
It's actually hard to understand the original translation.

1012
00:56:38.519 --> 00:56:39.519
During like a big.

1013
00:56:39.360 --> 00:56:40.760
Section something, it's like, what is she what is he

1014
00:56:40.840 --> 00:56:42.840
really saying? You have to skip paragraphs?

1015
00:56:42.880 --> 00:56:44.599
I don't know, but no that they.

1016
00:56:44.480 --> 00:56:46.880
Actually left out whole pages of the book.

1017
00:56:47.400 --> 00:56:51.199
And we and we didn't know this until there's a French,

1018
00:56:51.239 --> 00:56:54.039
a professor of French literature at the University of Saskatchewan,

1019
00:56:54.079 --> 00:56:55.599
and Michael Tobin, he's now retired.

1020
00:56:56.519 --> 00:56:59.079
He studied under one of the great Bernono's translators. He

1021
00:56:59.119 --> 00:57:03.360
did his whole PhD. Of Burning Us and he he knew.

1022
00:57:03.159 --> 00:57:06.159
How defective this translation was, and he decided he he

1023
00:57:06.239 --> 00:57:08.239
took it upon himself, like this is this is this is.

1024
00:57:08.199 --> 00:57:09.480
Really a kind of a trest.

1025
00:57:09.599 --> 00:57:12.960
He had such an even though the translation was beautiful

1026
00:57:13.000 --> 00:57:15.519
and even the New York Times recognized.

1027
00:57:15.119 --> 00:57:18.599
It as like a masterpiece, you know exactly, but there

1028
00:57:18.719 --> 00:57:19.199
was a lot.

1029
00:57:19.239 --> 00:57:21.400
It was even greater than than we originally they were

1030
00:57:21.400 --> 00:57:23.719
when we realized in the US. So Michael Tobin took

1031
00:57:23.760 --> 00:57:26.280
it on himself. It's kind of his uh, really his

1032
00:57:26.360 --> 00:57:30.440
magnum opus as a translator. Michael Tobin, this great, this

1033
00:57:30.559 --> 00:57:31.800
great work into English.

1034
00:57:31.960 --> 00:57:33.039
And actually the.

1035
00:57:33.039 --> 00:57:37.000
Very last line had been completely had been mistranslated, the

1036
00:57:37.119 --> 00:57:38.199
very last line in the book.

1037
00:57:38.519 --> 00:57:40.800
It's a line to quote from Saint Arez of the Zoo.

1038
00:57:41.960 --> 00:57:43.199
All is grace to.

1039
00:57:43.360 --> 00:57:48.119
Takas but the the and that's exactly how that's how

1040
00:57:48.159 --> 00:57:51.880
Michael Tobin translates it originally, then the Panel Morris translation

1041
00:57:51.920 --> 00:57:53.719
it was Grace is everywhere.

1042
00:57:53.880 --> 00:57:55.639
There's a very subtle theological distinction.

1043
00:57:55.719 --> 00:57:57.519
Oh yeah, exactly, Yes, it makes.

1044
00:57:57.400 --> 00:57:59.800
A very big difference. And interpreting the whole book. So

1045
00:58:00.320 --> 00:58:01.800
that's why he took it upon himself to do it.

1046
00:58:01.840 --> 00:58:03.239
I think he did a wonderful job. I think it

1047
00:58:03.280 --> 00:58:06.159
reads beautifully and the whole their paragraphs that I don't

1048
00:58:06.159 --> 00:58:09.159
even remember seeing in the original, either because they had

1049
00:58:09.159 --> 00:58:12.559
been mistranslated and I didn't understand them, or because they

1050
00:58:12.559 --> 00:58:13.360
literally weren't there.

1051
00:58:13.519 --> 00:58:18.159
So yeah, wow, that's amazing, and and it would you know,

1052
00:58:18.199 --> 00:58:21.280
what we're hearing is people who have read the original

1053
00:58:21.639 --> 00:58:25.400
are reading this and it's like, you know, it's like

1054
00:58:25.400 --> 00:58:27.480
a whole new book. It's like they didn't even read

1055
00:58:27.519 --> 00:58:29.960
the original, right, I mean that's right.

1056
00:58:30.039 --> 00:58:32.760
Yeah, I mean it's some people. I actually have a

1057
00:58:32.760 --> 00:58:34.840
list of like reviews here in front of me. And

1058
00:58:35.199 --> 00:58:37.480
Dana Joya, who's a great literary critic of our time,

1059
00:58:38.000 --> 00:58:42.440
Catholic guy, he's used to head up the National Endowment.

1060
00:58:42.119 --> 00:58:42.679
For the Arts.

1061
00:58:43.159 --> 00:58:45.599
He says that this, this this new translation is a

1062
00:58:45.639 --> 00:58:48.679
major literary event. After nine decades, the complete text of

1063
00:58:48.760 --> 00:58:51.000
this great Catholic novel appears in English for the first time.

1064
00:58:51.480 --> 00:58:53.440
Finally we can read bern it as his masterpiece as

1065
00:58:53.440 --> 00:58:54.320
he wrote it.

1066
00:58:54.400 --> 00:58:55.400
And I think that people.

1067
00:58:55.280 --> 00:58:58.480
In the literary know, people who know French literature always

1068
00:58:58.559 --> 00:59:02.079
knew that that it's not a translation, but you have to.

1069
00:59:02.039 --> 00:59:04.599
Kind of be a literati type person understand to know that.

1070
00:59:05.000 --> 00:59:07.519
But now people are reading it, like now I finally

1071
00:59:07.599 --> 00:59:09.719
understand this book because there are themes that were kind

1072
00:59:09.760 --> 00:59:13.760
of buried in the original translation, and Michael Tobin's theory

1073
00:59:13.960 --> 00:59:16.239
that the new translator is theory about what that is

1074
00:59:16.400 --> 00:59:17.519
why Pamela Warris did that.

1075
00:59:17.880 --> 00:59:20.519
He thinks it was kind of almost like a Victorian

1076
00:59:20.920 --> 00:59:23.599
English because she was an englishwoman, kind.

1077
00:59:23.440 --> 00:59:26.400
Of a Victorian English reticence about some of the some

1078
00:59:26.440 --> 00:59:28.360
of the Catholic, the very Catholic.

1079
00:59:27.960 --> 00:59:30.760
Elements, right, yes, exactly, I'm trying to.

1080
00:59:30.760 --> 00:59:33.039
Bury those, especially a spiritual childhood.

1081
00:59:33.519 --> 00:59:37.239
You know that, you know, unless you become like this child,

1082
00:59:37.280 --> 00:59:38.800
you will not enter into the Kingdom of Heaven. That's

1083
00:59:38.840 --> 00:59:40.960
brought about in this very radical way in this book,

1084
00:59:41.000 --> 00:59:42.760
and that that is actually part of what got buried

1085
00:59:42.800 --> 00:59:43.000
in the.

1086
00:59:42.960 --> 00:59:45.639
Original Well, and the thing is, and I really appreciate

1087
00:59:45.719 --> 00:59:51.280
you explaining Thomas, uh, you know the heart of George

1088
00:59:51.280 --> 00:59:55.639
Bananas because you know his background being in the war,

1089
00:59:55.800 --> 01:00:01.440
a devout Catholic. I mean, that's a critical, nuanced understanding

1090
01:00:01.920 --> 01:00:05.760
the heart of this diary of a country priest and

1091
01:00:05.800 --> 01:00:09.360
what the motivation behind this novel, what it was all about,

1092
01:00:10.280 --> 01:00:14.320
and you know, and really we're grateful to this new

1093
01:00:14.519 --> 01:00:18.480
edition because, like you said, I mean, it was regarded

1094
01:00:18.519 --> 01:00:22.559
as a blessing there maybe because it was just I

1095
01:00:22.599 --> 01:00:27.800
don't know, maybe maybe unique that you know, the people

1096
01:00:27.800 --> 01:00:29.719
at the time just said they got behind it and

1097
01:00:29.760 --> 01:00:35.519
had and supported it without really you know, appreciating and

1098
01:00:35.599 --> 01:00:38.039
being critical of it, because maybe it was just so

1099
01:00:38.159 --> 01:00:40.920
wonderful just the way it was at that time, you know,

1100
01:00:41.000 --> 01:00:41.800
for that time.

1101
01:00:42.000 --> 01:00:44.760
Right, Yeah, that's right, that's right.

1102
01:00:45.920 --> 01:00:47.079
Yeah, I think it was right at them.

1103
01:00:47.199 --> 01:00:48.159
I actually read the book.

1104
01:00:48.360 --> 01:00:49.119
I read the book.

1105
01:00:49.440 --> 01:00:51.880
I came back to the church, came back to the.

1106
01:00:51.920 --> 01:00:56.400
New practicing Catholic right after about fifteen years ago, I guess,

1107
01:00:56.559 --> 01:00:58.920
and I read the book. I was an English major.

1108
01:00:58.920 --> 01:01:01.719
I was a kind of a literary guy. I like dark,

1109
01:01:01.960 --> 01:01:02.639
sad stuff.

1110
01:01:02.800 --> 01:01:04.360
Well you're you were you were, you were out of

1111
01:01:04.480 --> 01:01:07.119
you were out at LSU you're in you're you know,

1112
01:01:07.159 --> 01:01:09.719
you're from Louisiana, And I was thinking, gosh, if I

1113
01:01:09.760 --> 01:01:11.960
grew up there, I'd be three hundred pounds just being

1114
01:01:12.000 --> 01:01:14.679
at Cafe Dumont and the beignets all the time. Might

1115
01:01:15.039 --> 01:01:15.840
be in a bad.

1116
01:01:17.000 --> 01:01:19.360
Blessed me with a very very fast metabolism.

1117
01:01:19.400 --> 01:01:26.039
So I got that's so, I believe.

1118
01:01:25.719 --> 01:01:26.039
It or not.

1119
01:01:26.199 --> 01:01:28.079
It's hard to measure the press person of Louisiana.

1120
01:01:28.199 --> 01:01:32.000
But it was literary guy, you know, and you have

1121
01:01:32.000 --> 01:01:34.880
to like dark stuff when you're English major Poe, and

1122
01:01:34.920 --> 01:01:37.679
I liked all the existentialist stuff, like you know, Camu

1123
01:01:37.800 --> 01:01:40.400
and it had to be sad otherwise it wasn't real.

1124
01:01:40.519 --> 01:01:41.480
It did be gritty.

1125
01:01:42.440 --> 01:01:43.840
And so when I when I picked a Diary the

1126
01:01:43.840 --> 01:01:46.039
Country Priest after you come back to the Church, I

1127
01:01:46.039 --> 01:01:47.920
was trying to figure out how do I reconcile all

1128
01:01:47.920 --> 01:01:49.960
this literary stuff with what it means to have this

1129
01:01:49.960 --> 01:01:51.079
this newfound faith.

1130
01:01:50.880 --> 01:01:53.320
You know, this new discovered and this this truth.

1131
01:01:54.320 --> 01:01:58.199
And the first book that I read that really bridged

1132
01:01:58.199 --> 01:02:00.000
the gap for me that really clicked it was Diary

1133
01:02:00.079 --> 01:02:00.800
the Country Priest.

1134
01:02:00.960 --> 01:02:04.000
And it starts, yeah, it starts out with this. Listen

1135
01:02:04.000 --> 01:02:06.920
to this opening it's a very very very heavy book.

1136
01:02:06.960 --> 01:02:08.519
And listen, listen to this opening paragraph.

1137
01:02:08.920 --> 01:02:10.280
Here's the opening paragraph of the book.

1138
01:02:11.400 --> 01:02:12.679
My parish is like any other.

1139
01:02:13.039 --> 01:02:16.000
This is the priest talking.

1140
01:02:14.960 --> 01:02:17.440
The young parish priest, just out of seminary.

1141
01:02:17.800 --> 01:02:20.760
My parish is like any other. All parishes seem alike

1142
01:02:20.840 --> 01:02:24.119
these days. I was saying so, just yesterday, the career

1143
01:02:24.199 --> 01:02:26.800
the priest of nord Infont. Good and evil find a

1144
01:02:26.880 --> 01:02:29.280
kind of balance in them. Only the center of gravity

1145
01:02:29.320 --> 01:02:34.199
is said low, very low, or if you prefer, they're superimposed.

1146
01:02:33.559 --> 01:02:35.960
Upon one another, without ever blending.

1147
01:02:35.920 --> 01:02:39.119
Like two liquids of different density. The cure laughed in

1148
01:02:39.159 --> 01:02:39.639
my face.

1149
01:02:40.159 --> 01:02:43.719
He's a good priest, very kind, very paternal, and the

1150
01:02:43.840 --> 01:02:47.239
archdioce he's even Fancy's a freethinker, a bit dangerous. He

1151
01:02:47.320 --> 01:02:49.679
keeps his fellow priests and stitches with jokes told with

1152
01:02:49.800 --> 01:02:52.639
a gleam in his eye. He imagines it sparkles with wit.

1153
01:02:53.199 --> 01:02:56.320
But I find it so sadly worn, so weary, that

1154
01:02:56.400 --> 01:03:00.280
I could weep. My parish is consumed by boredom.

1155
01:03:00.159 --> 01:03:01.079
That's the word.

1156
01:03:01.280 --> 01:03:04.599
Like so many other parishes, boredom devours them before our

1157
01:03:04.719 --> 01:03:05.280
very eyes.

1158
01:03:05.400 --> 01:03:07.199
There's nothing we can do about it.

1159
01:03:07.280 --> 01:03:09.760
Maybe one day the contagion will overwhelm us and we'll

1160
01:03:09.760 --> 01:03:11.119
discover this cancer.

1161
01:03:10.840 --> 01:03:13.880
Growing deep within a little long time with that.

1162
01:03:13.880 --> 01:03:14.400
Inside of you.

1163
01:03:15.039 --> 01:03:19.320
So it opens with this very very heavy kind of

1164
01:03:19.400 --> 01:03:23.199
indictment of Catholicism in their early twentieth century about what

1165
01:03:23.239 --> 01:03:25.039
he sees is kind of is zous. This is even

1166
01:03:25.039 --> 01:03:26.920
but this is before Vatican two, you know, we had

1167
01:03:27.920 --> 01:03:29.199
there was kind of there was a there was a

1168
01:03:29.199 --> 01:03:32.880
different kind of sadness that overtook parishes. But even at

1169
01:03:32.880 --> 01:03:35.199
that time, he says to the stage, is this kind

1170
01:03:35.199 --> 01:03:38.519
of heavy rain and there's literally just missed everywhere in

1171
01:03:38.519 --> 01:03:40.760
the book. It was just raining all the time. And

1172
01:03:40.800 --> 01:03:44.119
there's this boredom that's eating a people's hearts. And he's

1173
01:03:44.159 --> 01:03:46.840
supposedly Catholic people, they go to Mass every Sunday, they're

1174
01:03:46.840 --> 01:03:50.079
outwardly very Catholic. He sees this young priest sees that

1175
01:03:50.480 --> 01:03:51.079
they don't.

1176
01:03:50.880 --> 01:03:52.400
Really they don't really believe.

1177
01:03:52.480 --> 01:03:54.719
They're indifferent, they're bored out of their minds and they

1178
01:03:54.719 --> 01:03:55.719
don't enjoy life.

1179
01:03:55.840 --> 01:03:58.079
You know, there's something that's wrong. There's a kind of cancer.

1180
01:03:58.679 --> 01:04:01.639
And this book is an exploration of why what is

1181
01:04:01.679 --> 01:04:03.440
this that's eating at our hearts right now. And this

1182
01:04:03.480 --> 01:04:05.920
is again, this is after World War One. People are

1183
01:04:06.000 --> 01:04:08.920
very cynical, very hardened, like, oh yeah, the faith, the

1184
01:04:08.920 --> 01:04:11.719
faith couldn't save us from that. Catholicism is like a couple.

1185
01:04:11.719 --> 01:04:14.000
Look where was God? And where was God in the trenches?

1186
01:04:14.119 --> 01:04:14.320
You know?

1187
01:04:15.639 --> 01:04:17.880
And this book is kind of a response to that question,

1188
01:04:17.960 --> 01:04:19.119
where was God in the trenches?

1189
01:04:19.159 --> 01:04:21.119
And it tries to and it takes that question very

1190
01:04:21.239 --> 01:04:24.519
very serious, and he takes he sees this darkness and.

1191
01:04:24.480 --> 01:04:26.559
He's born of those the size.

1192
01:04:26.639 --> 01:04:28.400
I'm going to come at it from the perspective of

1193
01:04:28.400 --> 01:04:30.519
a young priest who's really trying to get at the

1194
01:04:30.559 --> 01:04:32.519
heart of the matter, wants to bring the Gospel, wants

1195
01:04:32.559 --> 01:04:33.480
to bring joy.

1196
01:04:33.760 --> 01:04:35.920
Into night, into this profound darkness.

1197
01:04:36.039 --> 01:04:37.719
And Thomas, we got to go to quick break, stay

1198
01:04:37.760 --> 01:04:39.639
with us. We got more from Thomas Jacoby after this.

1199
01:04:44.480 --> 01:04:48.599
You're still glowing, flirting, grooving, You still got it. But

1200
01:04:48.639 --> 01:04:51.320
your immune system weakens as you age, making it harder

1201
01:04:51.360 --> 01:04:55.960
to fight flu, neumacacal pneumonia, RSV, and COVID nineteen. Vaccines

1202
01:04:56.000 --> 01:04:58.559
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Welcome back, Bill Martinez here with Thomas Jacobi, who has

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worked at Ignacious Press as an assistant editor since twenty eighteen.

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on special occasions, playing dueling banjos on guitar for bishops.

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That's probably a whole nother interview altogether.

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You and your wife, uh actually a saxophone player.

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Really okay, so but but you guys, but you guys

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gig together. Still a little bit on the side right now.

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It's been home. We got we got two little kids,

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we got two little boys.

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Now it's been harder, right right, Well, you're working on

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an orchestra here, you know, so you started with two.

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We'll get there. You know, you got first and second chair,

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you know, handled, so you know, we'll get it together.

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So a good fun. But anyway, like I said, uh,

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but your background at ignatious and what you're doing in

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bringing this book a diary of a country priest and

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breaking it down for us.

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Uh.

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And and the.

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Heart as you just read uh in the previous break

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uh previous segment here you know, the heart of what

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is going on in the Catholic Church, which you know

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and I think has carried from time to time Thomas

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to you know, uh, you know, to be vulnerable and

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transparent about it. I think that's that's the challenge of

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all faith and religions. I mean, it's what Jesus faced.

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I mean, the people there were so caught up in

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all rules and regulations, they forgot the life of the Gospel,

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and uh, and Jesus brought brought life because God is

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life and he brings it. And you know, in our

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own humanity, uh we when we get off track, we

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get bored, we go chaotic, and uh it's interesting right

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now where we are in today's America, for example, is

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that we're seeing such a rise of interest by young people,

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you know gen xers and zeers. I mean, the number

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one faith to grow last year was was Catholicism. And

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you know, and I am like talking to priests and saying,

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why do you think and this is why Also you

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need to come back to first principles and really embrace

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first principles of the faith because it's it's to me,

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it's like branding.

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You know.

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Right now we're seeing in you know, the commercial world,

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all these brands, whether it's bud Light or you know, Disneyland,

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and you know, and uh, you know, we just had

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a situation with a uh a story, you know, a

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chain of restaurants, Cracker Barrel. They violated their brand, they

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blew up their brand. And I'm saying that the Catholic Church,

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don't blow up your brand. Now is the time you

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need to really, you know, you know, really really hunker

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down on it and understand. You know what is it?

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You know, for you brought what brought you back to Catholicism,

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you know, and I did the same thing. I mean,

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I journeyed out and God allowed me, through his grace

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and mercy, to go and study all these different religions.

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You know, people would say to me. My friends are like, oh, Bill, well,

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when are you going to study the Bible? I well,

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I'm in the Xena mortorcycle maintenance right now, you know,

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remember that book. And so you know, God allows us

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to go through this journey. But there was something specifically

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that brought me back to the Catholic Church as it

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was for you. And and now these young kids are

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coming back because there's some there's some authenticity and genuineness

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about the Catholic Church that I think we got a

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hold to like we've never held before.

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That's absolutely right, I think. So in this book To

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Every Country Priest, there's a great character.

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There's this young priest his first assignment, basically his first parish.

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Since Ambercorp in the little villagey.

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That and he's just overwhelmed by the responsibilities and he

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feels like he's failing. But then his mentor is a

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neighboring priest the created to see and he's this older

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tough I kind of imagine almost like a Teddy Roosevelt,

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kind of got a big guy, like a big kind

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of tough guy. He's been he's been a pastor. He's

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probably in a sixty's been his pastor for a long time.

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And he's seen a lot, and.

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He's seen it all, you know, he's.

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Seen all kinds of failure and sin and uh, he's

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been through his own depression. I think he struggled with

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alcoholism at one point. He got over it and he's

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and he's telling this young priests.

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He's like, look he was back in my day.

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It's always the younger generation. You know.

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Back in my day.

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He's like, look, priests were prieste had to be met.

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Priests were met, and they weren't afraid that priests had.

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To be tough, and they had to be They had

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to be able to like.

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Kind of push a wheelbarrow, and they had to be

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able to like kind of cut.

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Wood, and they had to be They have.

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Had a strong constitution.

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But that and that toughness enables.

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Him to get through these tough times. You have to

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just kind of have a spine.

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But he said that what this priest says to him

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that really changes this priest's life is uh. He says,

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the heart of Catholicism is actually and all this, all

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for all.

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These laws that we suppose that we seem.

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To have, in all these traditions, uh, and especially in

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these sacraments uh seven sacraments. The meaning of Catholicism is

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is joy. We are the bearers of authentic joy in

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the world. You know, you are the life of the world,

1391
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says Jesus. The salt and like and if the salt

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loses its savior, you know, with what will be salted

1393
01:14:29.760 --> 01:14:32.319
and that salt, that flavor that Catholicism brings to the

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earth is.

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01:14:33.399 --> 01:14:36.880
Is actually authentic happiness. And it seems so.

1396
01:14:36.920 --> 01:14:39.039
And the thing about the thing that's so interesting about

1397
01:14:39.039 --> 01:14:42.239
this book is it shows that that authentic happiness.

1398
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That joy, which is actually a child lefess. Uh. You

1399
01:14:45.319 --> 01:14:48.279
know this, this older priest explains to him. You know

1400
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why is a child happy?

1401
01:14:50.399 --> 01:14:52.600
You know, a child is happy, a child is like

1402
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we look back almost everyone looks back in their childhood

1403
01:14:54.840 --> 01:14:55.319
with nostalgia.

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01:14:55.640 --> 01:14:57.079
Those were the happiest days of my.

1405
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Life, you know, I go, and the swing on the tire,

1406
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swing in the fact, ad might be coming through the leaves.

1407
01:15:01.319 --> 01:15:03.600
And you know when every Sunday we have family dinner

1408
01:15:03.640 --> 01:15:05.880
and and then you know, and then of course you

1409
01:15:05.920 --> 01:15:08.840
get beat up by your cousins or to whatever fall

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01:15:08.880 --> 01:15:09.479
out of the tribute.

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01:15:09.479 --> 01:15:10.239
You know, you forget.

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01:15:10.479 --> 01:15:11.960
But even that was okay.

1413
01:15:12.359 --> 01:15:14.800
You were happy, you know, even the suffering or maybe

1414
01:15:15.000 --> 01:15:16.960
back in the day you get like tuberculosis, you know,

1415
01:15:17.239 --> 01:15:20.039
and those memories are happy. And he says, why, Well,

1416
01:15:20.079 --> 01:15:23.560
it's because you knew that the love of your mother

1417
01:15:24.119 --> 01:15:25.920
was hovering over the whole thing, the love of your

1418
01:15:25.960 --> 01:15:28.359
parents was hovering over the old maybe it was your grandparent.

1419
01:15:28.479 --> 01:15:29.000
There was a.

1420
01:15:28.920 --> 01:15:32.920
Smile hanging over the whole thing, and that made That's

1421
01:15:32.960 --> 01:15:35.479
what makes that love that someone else shows to you,

1422
01:15:35.600 --> 01:15:37.960
That's what that colors all the.

1423
01:15:37.920 --> 01:15:41.720
Suffering that you And he says that that he's like.

1424
01:15:41.680 --> 01:15:44.680
That, my young friend, is this that is the secret

1425
01:15:44.800 --> 01:15:48.239
to That's what Catholicism does. We're we're we're telling the

1426
01:15:48.279 --> 01:15:51.960
world how much God really loves it and blessed for

1427
01:15:52.119 --> 01:15:55.279
your merrit you know, I mean our Protestant brother Protestants

1428
01:15:55.319 --> 01:15:57.640
aren't as ended that, but Nonetheless, the the.

1429
01:15:58.359 --> 01:16:02.800
The essence of this book is to say that Catholicism bears.

1430
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That into the very very real circumstances of everyday life,

1431
01:16:07.920 --> 01:16:10.039
no matter how have you know, last rites people on

1432
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their death bit. There's a sacrament, but you know, there's

1433
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the last confession on your deathbit, anointing of the sick,

1434
01:16:16.399 --> 01:16:19.039
you know, matrimony, some of the heaviest moments in life.

1435
01:16:20.119 --> 01:16:22.680
The Church is there to bear that smile.

1436
01:16:22.359 --> 01:16:24.800
Of God, the smile of Christ over everything, to give

1437
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God's blessing all that and and that's where authentic happiness

1438
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can can grow from that.

1439
01:16:29.319 --> 01:16:31.000
And I think that's why people are drawn to the Church,

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because they can't help it.

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01:16:32.399 --> 01:16:34.880
But see, there's a kind there's a toughness, but a

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01:16:34.920 --> 01:16:37.039
warmth to the to the Catholicism.

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01:16:37.880 --> 01:16:41.319
Well, and you mentioned and to me another key sacrament

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01:16:42.159 --> 01:16:45.039
besides the Eucharist. I could go on about the eucharst

1445
01:16:45.079 --> 01:16:49.079
forever because that's really what. If there was any single

1446
01:16:49.119 --> 01:16:51.479
one thing that brought me back to the Church, it

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01:16:51.600 --> 01:16:57.960
was the holiness of the Eucharist. But the sacrament of reconciliation,

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01:16:58.600 --> 01:17:01.079
it deals with our humanity. It says, look at we're

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01:17:01.079 --> 01:17:04.720
going to mess up, you know, and the church is

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01:17:04.800 --> 01:17:08.279
there to help facilitate a reset for your life as

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01:17:08.319 --> 01:17:11.439
often as you need it, and which is we're human,

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01:17:11.680 --> 01:17:13.720
so we're going to need it. I mean, when you've

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01:17:13.760 --> 01:17:17.319
got Paul himself, Saint Paul himself saying, Hey, the very

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01:17:17.319 --> 01:17:18.840
thing I want to do, I don't, the very thing

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01:17:18.880 --> 01:17:21.800
I don't I do, I mean, this is the paradox

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01:17:21.840 --> 01:17:25.159
of our humanity. And so the Catholic Church is upfront saying,

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01:17:25.399 --> 01:17:28.520
look at we're going to mess up. But God has

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01:17:28.560 --> 01:17:34.000
given us a solution. Yes, the ultimate solution is Jesus himself.

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01:17:34.479 --> 01:17:38.439
But meanwhile, you know, for those venial annoyances that come along,

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01:17:38.880 --> 01:17:41.359
we've got a priest that we can talk to. And

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01:17:41.800 --> 01:17:46.880
I understand that people, unless they really have been have

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01:17:47.039 --> 01:17:52.359
experienced the renewal of a confession, of a true and

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01:17:52.399 --> 01:17:56.039
honest confession. This is probably foreign to them. But to

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01:17:56.159 --> 01:17:59.359
have that freedom that allows you to go and re

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01:17:59.439 --> 01:18:05.079
embrace a joy that you're talking about, I mean, that's invaluable, Thomas.

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01:18:05.640 --> 01:18:07.039
It is, it is.

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01:18:07.119 --> 01:18:08.439
There's nothing like it in the world.

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01:18:08.760 --> 01:18:11.199
And actually one of the one of the climate the

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01:18:11.720 --> 01:18:14.560
climax scene in Diary Country Priests.

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01:18:15.439 --> 01:18:17.880
You know, there's a young priests. He gets there's a

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01:18:18.680 --> 01:18:21.199
noble family that runs this whole, that owns this whole village,

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01:18:21.439 --> 01:18:23.960
count the Countess, and you know.

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01:18:24.039 --> 01:18:29.520
They're very prominent masscoers, very Catholic, but uh, there's something,

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01:18:30.119 --> 01:18:32.720
there's something rotten, you know, in Denmark, so to speak,

1475
01:18:32.720 --> 01:18:34.680
there's there's there's just something rotten at the core that

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01:18:34.800 --> 01:18:39.640
the daughter is the daughters like runs away from home

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01:18:40.399 --> 01:18:42.960
and he is a bully to other is a bully

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01:18:43.000 --> 01:18:48.159
to to other young people. And the husband is just

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01:18:48.279 --> 01:18:52.640
very cynical and this and the Countess was very gracious.

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01:18:52.720 --> 01:18:55.119
You know, there's just a kind of superficiality to it.

1481
01:18:55.119 --> 01:18:58.239
And he sees it and he's he he tries, he

1482
01:18:58.279 --> 01:19:00.000
gets he tries to give him the sacraments, he tries

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01:19:00.039 --> 01:19:02.039
to get involved in their lives, you know, it does

1484
01:19:02.079 --> 01:19:04.319
Baptists and everything. But he could tell that something's not there.

1485
01:19:04.439 --> 01:19:08.079
And the climax is there's a confession. This countess finally

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01:19:08.159 --> 01:19:10.600
he gets her to go to confession. There's matt it's

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01:19:10.640 --> 01:19:13.279
like a it's like a tech it's like a ten

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01:19:13.319 --> 01:19:17.359
page maybe and fifteen page long confession and where she

1489
01:19:17.439 --> 01:19:20.079
has to she has to finally open up it and then look,

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01:19:20.199 --> 01:19:22.119
I'm not I'm not this.

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01:19:22.199 --> 01:19:24.239
Perfect person that I that I'm pretending to be.

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01:19:24.439 --> 01:19:27.720
That pretending to be this perfect person is actually making

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01:19:27.720 --> 01:19:30.279
me miserable because I'm not trusting in God. I don't

1494
01:19:30.279 --> 01:19:32.119
trust that God's a loving father that I can give

1495
01:19:32.159 --> 01:19:34.520
my sins over to. I'm holding on to him like

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01:19:34.680 --> 01:19:37.640
I'm like I'm putting on my armor. And it hardens

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01:19:37.640 --> 01:19:40.880
this family like that, the sin in this family that

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01:19:40.880 --> 01:19:42.960
that goes unconfessed is actually what makes them hard. It

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01:19:42.960 --> 01:19:45.760
makes them so unhappy that there's a profound unhappiness that

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01:19:45.800 --> 01:19:46.359
trickles down to.

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01:19:46.399 --> 01:19:47.039
The whole family.

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01:19:47.119 --> 01:19:49.920
And it's a confession that actually saves this whole family

1503
01:19:49.960 --> 01:19:52.399
and brings this family joy again. And it brings the

1504
01:19:52.399 --> 01:19:54.880
priest joy again because he sees the power of confession

1505
01:19:54.920 --> 01:19:56.880
and he you know, and it's.

1506
01:19:56.680 --> 01:19:59.079
So interesting because this priest sees himself as a failure.

1507
01:19:59.159 --> 01:20:00.880
You know, he like he's given a holly of.

1508
01:20:00.920 --> 01:20:02.800
Mass and people are literally rolling their eyes in the

1509
01:20:02.800 --> 01:20:04.560
pew and they're laughing at him, and they'll go back

1510
01:20:04.560 --> 01:20:06.920
to him after the homile. You go, wow, you really

1511
01:20:06.920 --> 01:20:08.960
had a fight of poetic poetic fantasy there.

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01:20:09.000 --> 01:20:11.439
You know, He's like, no, seriously, no one's coming to

1513
01:20:11.439 --> 01:20:12.359
his Bible studies.

1514
01:20:12.800 --> 01:20:15.359
And but it's this moment he's like, all that means

1515
01:20:15.359 --> 01:20:18.640
nothing is he has this moment of grace and confession

1516
01:20:18.680 --> 01:20:20.159
with this woman who he was able to restore her

1517
01:20:20.199 --> 01:20:22.159
to jul You know, really powerful stuff.

1518
01:20:22.560 --> 01:20:25.640
Wow, what a what a story. Well that's one of

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01:20:25.680 --> 01:20:27.199
the many things you have to look forward to in

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this new book, The Diary of a Country Priest, this

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new translation Georgia Bernano's original book that was so highly

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01:20:36.359 --> 01:20:39.840
regarded back in the in the mid thirties, and here

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01:20:39.880 --> 01:20:42.800
it is back again, but in a whole different way,

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01:20:43.000 --> 01:20:46.560
a new translation, and you know that many people are

1525
01:20:46.600 --> 01:20:49.239
saying it's it's the best yet. And this was this

1526
01:20:49.439 --> 01:20:52.000
was once a this was a movie originally, I mean

1527
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was a book and then became a movie. And here

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we are, and so now we're going to get an

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01:20:55.520 --> 01:20:56.479
updated movie of it.

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01:20:57.520 --> 01:21:02.039
That's a that's a question for uh, maybe who could

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01:21:02.039 --> 01:21:02.760
do that movie.

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01:21:02.960 --> 01:21:06.199
That's a question for Terrence Malick, the guy just it's fun.

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You'd have to be a movie like that. Very slow

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you slow burn, you know right, I'm.

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All for it.

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Around with you, Well, Thomas Jacoby, thank you so much

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01:21:14.920 --> 01:21:18.960
for being with us. Thomas is with Ignacious Press as

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an assistant editor and uh again, we appreciate your insight

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and your encouragement. And the book available at all the

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usual places, right, that's.

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Right, Ignacious dot com is the best place to get

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or you're actually the best place to give us your

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local Catholic bookstore.

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You got it.

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Second best place ignationis dot com. Then after that go

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anywhere else.

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On the internet, but get the book, the book, you

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got it. Thanks Thomas, Take care, God bless you.

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Nutrition for Patriots, Good morning, Welcome, Good to have you

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with us.

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Bill Martinez here along with Jeff camp, the former Nflqbean

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Ministry leader and author Hey Jeff, Good morning, Good morning, Bill. Hey,

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I know you had a great weekend another successful you know,

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01:26:03.119 --> 01:26:06.039
marriage retreat. Marriage was really important. I want to want

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to touch on that and also touch on a figure

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that you know is really one of these one in

1625
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a generation type figures who he and his wife were

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01:26:17.800 --> 01:26:20.399
also very committed to promoting marriage as well. But we'll

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get into that. But first of all, let's touch on

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the success that you had this past weekend.

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So I think you and I were talking about a

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theme that is very dominant today's people are looking for hope. Yes, Okay,

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01:26:34.920 --> 01:26:39.279
there's violence, there's controversy, there's marriages breaking up, there's kids

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01:26:39.279 --> 01:26:45.000
facing difficulty, people with emotional mental illness and such. There

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01:26:45.119 --> 01:26:48.960
was a lot of hope this last weekend at a

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Marriott hotel in Chattanooga, Tennessee. We had five hundred couples

1635
01:26:55.000 --> 01:26:59.359
came to the weekend member marriage getaway put on by

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Family Life Ministries. People can find it at weekend to

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Remember dot com or FamilyLife dot com. But Stace and

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I were privileged to be one of the two speaker couples,

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and so we spoke Friday night. We had a couple sessions.

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We gave people some exercises. We spoke four times Saturday

1641
01:27:18.000 --> 01:27:21.079
and gave them a bunch of exercises, including a wonderful

1642
01:27:21.239 --> 01:27:24.920
date night, encouragement to write a love letter. We taught

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them how to work through a tough conflict, and we

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explained to them that God's the designer of marriage, and

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01:27:31.720 --> 01:27:33.399
when we try and do it on our own, we

1646
01:27:33.479 --> 01:27:41.800
drift to isolation. There's the invisible threat of Satan. There's

1647
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the internal threat of my selfishness and my own I

1648
01:27:45.600 --> 01:27:48.319
want my way, and then there's the external threat of

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a culture that says marriage isn't important, It's just a

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fifty to fifty contract. It's, you know, an archaic, old institution.

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You know, you should get what you want out of marriage,

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and if if you don't get it, leave Well. We

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let people know that God calls it a covenant and

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gives us the power to be a husband who loves,

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01:28:11.960 --> 01:28:14.520
to be a wife who loves to get through and

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01:28:14.560 --> 01:28:18.239
to heal, even from infidelity or other deep problems. And

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we had many couples who came from those situations, several

1658
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of whom gave testimony afterwards saying this saved our marriage.

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We build trust after an infidelity or this was a

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fabulous reconnection to move back towards oneness and not let

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the business of life put a wedge between us. We

1662
01:28:40.039 --> 01:28:43.319
started communicating again, we figured out how to handle our anger.

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We gained hope. So just incredible to see that God's

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ways and God's word and God is the power in

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our lives can restore hope and put broken relationships, struggling

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relationships back together. And I found one really needs that

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That's great. You know, Jeff, you touched on something it's

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so critical here, and that is trust. Trust is what

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gets you out of your silos. Your silos isolates you.

1674
01:29:21.039 --> 01:29:24.600
It convinces you that you're right and the other person's wrong,

1675
01:29:25.319 --> 01:29:30.039
and you get so ideologically fixed that you forget what

1676
01:29:30.199 --> 01:29:32.800
is the ideal? You know, I always say go back

1677
01:29:32.840 --> 01:29:35.239
to the in the beginning in the book of Genesis,

1678
01:29:35.560 --> 01:29:38.479
and God spells out what the ideal is. And as

1679
01:29:38.479 --> 01:29:41.399
you said, very appropriately, it's not a contract. A contract

1680
01:29:41.479 --> 01:29:43.840
is what the world gives you, what God has given

1681
01:29:43.920 --> 01:29:47.079
us is a covenant whole different, incial lota altogether.

1682
01:29:47.199 --> 01:29:53.279
Right, a covenant is unconditional and it's powered by God.

1683
01:29:53.520 --> 01:29:57.399
If you and I don't do so well making covenants

1684
01:29:57.560 --> 01:30:00.359
unless we say, God give me the power to stick

1685
01:30:00.439 --> 01:30:05.680
with this lifelong commitment. But God, even when we're on faithful,

1686
01:30:05.720 --> 01:30:08.840
stays faithful. God forgave us when we didn't deserve it.

1687
01:30:09.319 --> 01:30:12.359
He loved us when we were still rebellious. And that's

1688
01:30:12.399 --> 01:30:14.399
going to take us back to this whole tragedy of

1689
01:30:14.479 --> 01:30:20.960
Charlie Kirk's assassination. We need to handle things the way

1690
01:30:21.039 --> 01:30:24.760
God wants us to through the power of Jesus Christ

1691
01:30:24.840 --> 01:30:27.319
in our lives. And Charlie Kirk said, I want to

1692
01:30:27.359 --> 01:30:29.279
be remembered for the courage of my faith. He had

1693
01:30:29.319 --> 01:30:33.199
a lot of courage, but more importantly, he knew that

1694
01:30:33.279 --> 01:30:35.920
he was an eternal soul that would live forever. His

1695
01:30:36.039 --> 01:30:40.159
wife has hope right now, she's already though grieving, encouraging

1696
01:30:40.279 --> 01:30:44.079
people to be civil, to be caring, to be loving,

1697
01:30:44.439 --> 01:30:46.880
but to stand up for truth, to not be afraid

1698
01:30:47.000 --> 01:30:50.199
to speak, just as Charlie was not. But the great

1699
01:30:50.239 --> 01:30:52.399
thing Charlie would get to know anyone. He'd go to

1700
01:30:52.479 --> 01:30:55.560
any college campus and he would be kind to any

1701
01:30:55.640 --> 01:30:58.840
person of a different background. That's where we can see

1702
01:30:59.279 --> 01:31:03.439
that the vision Satan is causing some people to think

1703
01:31:03.520 --> 01:31:06.399
the best strategy is actually to write other people off

1704
01:31:06.479 --> 01:31:09.319
and be mean to them. My dad used to always say,

1705
01:31:09.680 --> 01:31:13.079
be vigilant with ideas, but be respectful toward people.

1706
01:31:13.479 --> 01:31:14.079
Let's debate.

1707
01:31:14.760 --> 01:31:17.159
Yeah, let's treat people with honor, even if they are

1708
01:31:17.199 --> 01:31:19.840
pushing an idea that's way off base and we think

1709
01:31:19.960 --> 01:31:20.880
is going to hurt the people.

1710
01:31:21.479 --> 01:31:25.279
Well, Charlie gave us a great example of that, which

1711
01:31:25.399 --> 01:31:27.680
is what Jesus did too. I mean, Jesus went and

1712
01:31:27.760 --> 01:31:30.359
talked to the people that, you know, the ruling class,

1713
01:31:30.399 --> 01:31:32.840
said hey, there, ner do Wells, what are you doing?

1714
01:31:33.119 --> 01:31:35.720
Why are you eating with them? Why are you talking

1715
01:31:35.840 --> 01:31:39.119
to them? They had been you know, cast out, But

1716
01:31:39.279 --> 01:31:42.359
Jesus says, hey, look at your life matters, and by

1717
01:31:42.720 --> 01:31:46.399
you know, an interest in another person demonstrates that their

1718
01:31:46.479 --> 01:31:50.159
life matters, that they are significant, they mean something. And

1719
01:31:50.279 --> 01:31:52.279
a lot of these kids on the college campuses for

1720
01:31:52.319 --> 01:31:55.039
a long time, Jeff, they felt like they couldn't say anything,

1721
01:31:55.319 --> 01:31:56.680
you know, they had to just stay in class. In

1722
01:31:56.800 --> 01:31:58.199
order to get the grade, they had to go along

1723
01:31:58.279 --> 01:32:00.880
with what the professor was saying. And they were you know,

1724
01:32:01.000 --> 01:32:04.439
they had experienced years of invalidation. Charlie comes on campus

1725
01:32:04.520 --> 01:32:06.720
and says, hey, look at uh. First of all, once

1726
01:32:06.800 --> 01:32:07.600
you know God loves you.

1727
01:32:08.399 --> 01:32:11.680
You know, that's amazing. And i'm i'm I'm pleased that

1728
01:32:12.079 --> 01:32:14.479
someone who was involved in a political campaign as much

1729
01:32:14.479 --> 01:32:17.279
as he was, as early as he was, didn't put

1730
01:32:17.319 --> 01:32:20.600
all of his eggs in the politics and culture basket.

1731
01:32:21.000 --> 01:32:23.720
And he was not afraid to say, more important than

1732
01:32:23.720 --> 01:32:27.079
anything else is a relationship with Jesus Christ. He loves you.

1733
01:32:27.279 --> 01:32:30.359
He's about love, and he talked about his marriage and

1734
01:32:30.479 --> 01:32:33.680
then he said, there are serious ideas. Let's talk about them. Uh,

1735
01:32:34.159 --> 01:32:37.479
you know Jesus. Remember Jesus spoke truth to the Pharisees,

1736
01:32:37.920 --> 01:32:42.920
really harsh, strong, direct truth. But he didn't write off

1737
01:32:43.039 --> 01:32:48.439
all the Pharisees. Remember Kius, Yes, right, exactly. Remember Remember Matthew, we're.

1738
01:32:48.319 --> 01:32:50.199
Having we're having dinner. Get down for the tree. We're

1739
01:32:50.239 --> 01:32:51.039
having dinner tonight.

1740
01:32:51.600 --> 01:32:56.760
Yes, Yeah, Nicodemus, Nicodemus, Jesus welcomed him. He helped spread

1741
01:32:56.800 --> 01:33:03.000
the faith. Matthew was attacked collector, who is a turncoat

1742
01:33:03.079 --> 01:33:06.039
to the Jewish people. But Jesus said, I'm going to

1743
01:33:06.039 --> 01:33:08.159
eat dinner with you, Matthew, and he turned him into

1744
01:33:08.199 --> 01:33:13.760
one of his twelve disciples. So all people were available

1745
01:33:13.920 --> 01:33:17.720
for redemption and relationship with Jesus. And yet he would

1746
01:33:17.720 --> 01:33:21.399
speak very directly to the ideas and behaviors that they

1747
01:33:21.520 --> 01:33:24.560
were carrying out that hurt other people. That's what always

1748
01:33:24.600 --> 01:33:28.760
bothered Jesus, behaviors that hurt other people.

1749
01:33:30.039 --> 01:33:33.159
Well, he opened their eyes to the truth, Jeff. And

1750
01:33:33.640 --> 01:33:36.920
sometimes the truth can be harsh depending on where you

1751
01:33:37.000 --> 01:33:41.079
are in the spectrum. If you're so you know, ideologically

1752
01:33:41.600 --> 01:33:44.880
opposite of the truth, it can be a hard pill

1753
01:33:44.960 --> 01:33:47.640
to swallow, and you may think that that's you know,

1754
01:33:48.840 --> 01:33:52.000
mean spirited. But what Jesus was bringing with the truth

1755
01:33:52.159 --> 01:33:55.199
was life. And that's what Charlie was doing as well,

1756
01:33:55.680 --> 01:33:58.960
because he was anchored in scripture, he was anchored in

1757
01:33:59.119 --> 01:34:01.880
the Word of God, and what he was speaking was

1758
01:34:02.000 --> 01:34:04.920
life into these hearts and minds of these kids. Now

1759
01:34:05.000 --> 01:34:07.680
I get it, some people they're going to resist, just

1760
01:34:07.800 --> 01:34:10.680
like they did during Jesus's time. They're going to resist

1761
01:34:10.760 --> 01:34:13.520
the truth and not see the truth as a defense,

1762
01:34:13.920 --> 01:34:15.520
but see it as an offense.

1763
01:34:15.640 --> 01:34:16.960
You know what I mean, right, right?

1764
01:34:17.079 --> 01:34:17.199
Right?

1765
01:34:17.640 --> 01:34:22.319
I think it's really so crucial to remember that truth

1766
01:34:22.399 --> 01:34:26.760
and love are one the same thing, and we need

1767
01:34:26.920 --> 01:34:29.760
Jesus's power in our lives if we're going to present

1768
01:34:29.800 --> 01:34:31.640
it that way, because it's too easy for us to

1769
01:34:31.880 --> 01:34:35.560
say I'm presenting the truth but almost be angry doing it,

1770
01:34:35.960 --> 01:34:38.840
or to be I'm being super loving. I don't want

1771
01:34:38.880 --> 01:34:40.479
to step on any toes, I don't want to hurt

1772
01:34:40.479 --> 01:34:43.720
any feelings, and yet we throw out some of the

1773
01:34:43.800 --> 01:34:47.600
truth and sacrifice truth. Well, that's not truly loving. If

1774
01:34:47.600 --> 01:34:49.800
you're telling a woman, I guess you can swim in

1775
01:34:49.880 --> 01:34:51.479
that river. I don't want to stop you from swimming

1776
01:34:51.479 --> 01:34:53.560
in that river. I know you really want to. I'd

1777
01:34:53.600 --> 01:34:55.439
prefer you not. It's the Niagara River and it's going

1778
01:34:55.479 --> 01:34:56.159
to go over the falls.

1779
01:34:56.680 --> 01:34:56.840
Right.

1780
01:34:57.520 --> 01:35:00.479
Love is also the truth that says that current will

1781
01:35:00.520 --> 01:35:05.039
steal your life. I'm telling you firmly, please do not

1782
01:35:05.199 --> 01:35:05.439
do that.

1783
01:35:06.159 --> 01:35:09.199
Are you willing to speak the truth at the expense

1784
01:35:09.319 --> 01:35:12.000
of your own life? That's what Jesus did, That's what

1785
01:35:12.159 --> 01:35:12.640
Charlie did.

1786
01:35:13.600 --> 01:35:17.920
Yes, Well, the Bible says that in the latter times

1787
01:35:18.039 --> 01:35:22.840
before Christ's return, the darkness will get darker, the bad

1788
01:35:22.880 --> 01:35:26.279
will get worse, the evil will increase, but the good

1789
01:35:26.399 --> 01:35:30.039
will also grow and the best will continue to get better.

1790
01:35:30.720 --> 01:35:33.319
And we need to overcome evil with good, remembering that

1791
01:35:33.399 --> 01:35:35.880
our life isn't just sixty seventy eighty years on earth,

1792
01:35:36.439 --> 01:35:37.199
it's eternal.

1793
01:35:37.600 --> 01:35:37.960
Amen.

1794
01:35:38.159 --> 01:35:42.760
Though Charlie has lost tragically, you know, the last sixty

1795
01:35:42.880 --> 01:35:44.520
years of his life, with his wife and his kids

1796
01:35:44.600 --> 01:35:50.600
and his grandkids, his legacy will live on and his

1797
01:35:51.159 --> 01:35:54.520
soul lives on, and many will be inspired to make

1798
01:35:54.600 --> 01:35:58.079
their life count. So courage, just like all our military leaders.

1799
01:35:58.119 --> 01:36:00.479
You're one of those who's served in the military, those

1800
01:36:00.560 --> 01:36:04.479
people recking themselves dead before they even go out on tour, right,

1801
01:36:04.680 --> 01:36:07.560
they've sacrificed their life to go into the military. A

1802
01:36:07.600 --> 01:36:10.960
great warrior has. And this is far more possible if

1803
01:36:11.000 --> 01:36:14.039
you know Jesus Christ and you're an adopted daughter or

1804
01:36:14.119 --> 01:36:16.720
son of God, and you know that your life is eternal.

1805
01:36:17.079 --> 01:36:20.359
This earthly life is important, but it's not even the pregame.

1806
01:36:20.439 --> 01:36:24.039
It's just a little snippet before eternity exactly.

1807
01:36:24.439 --> 01:36:27.119
So you know, the good word is is that do

1808
01:36:27.279 --> 01:36:30.359
not live as one without hope. We have a lot

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of hope to live for, don't we. Jeff Kemp.

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Jesus is the hope God has given us.

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Hope.

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01:36:34.720 --> 01:36:37.600
It's always there. He can overcome any problem or challenge

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01:36:37.640 --> 01:36:40.439
that you're going through, and he can overcome any conflict

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in our culture, even the violent nature of things. Jesus

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Martinez here and we've got to Jack Fella from cake

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to courtroom his great story of his masterpiece cake shop

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that has been in operation since nineteen ninety three. Jacket's

1891
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been a minute or two since last we've talked in,

1892
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you know, following your case, and so now here we

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are and we get to revisit your case as part

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Truth Rising.

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Right, that's right, Yeah, great documentary and I'm just happy

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to be part of it. Happy to be part of

1898
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your show today.

1899
01:41:30.840 --> 01:41:33.399
Well, great to have you with us again. To remind

1900
01:41:33.479 --> 01:41:35.439
everybody how this all began.

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01:41:37.199 --> 01:41:40.560
Yeah, so well, the court, the legal stuff began in

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nineteen ninety or in twenty twelve, but the cake shop opened,

1903
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like said, in nineteen ninety three. And back then, my

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wife and I had already decided that there were certain

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cakes that we wouldn't be able to create because of

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messages to express, cakes with profanity, or cakes that would

1907
01:41:57.000 --> 01:42:00.119
be an American or cakes it would insult or of

1908
01:42:00.159 --> 01:42:04.800
great other people. We also decided back then that we

1909
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couldn't create a cake celebrating the same sex wedding. Colorado's

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Constitution at that time said that a marriage had to

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be between one man and one woman and eighteen years old.

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So I was safe ground, even though it wasn't on

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our radar.

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But then in twenty twelve, two men came in and

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asked me to create a cake to celebrate their same

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01:42:24.680 --> 01:42:27.159
sex wedding. And when I told them that was something

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that I couldn't create, they flipped me off, swore at me,

1918
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stormed out of the shop, filed a complaint with the state,

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and the state went ahead and sued me, and that

1920
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case ended up, as you know, at the US Supreme Court.

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Right.

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So, Jack, a little bit of your background, explained to

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our audience. Who Jack Phillips is you and your wife?

1924
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Yeah?

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So I live in Denver in a suburb, Lakewood. I

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grew up here. I've been here all my life. I

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live about five minutes from where I grew up.

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My high schools right nearby, and in high school I

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took every art class that I could, just because I

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01:43:00.560 --> 01:43:03.680
love to draw and paint. When I graduated, I needed

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01:43:03.720 --> 01:43:06.000
a job, and a man that lived across the street

1932
01:43:06.039 --> 01:43:08.920
from He owned a large wholesale bakery, a big factory really,

1933
01:43:09.359 --> 01:43:12.119
and he was gracious enough to hire me, and I

1934
01:43:12.359 --> 01:43:15.359
realized that I loved working there, and I looked around.

1935
01:43:15.399 --> 01:43:17.760
I saw some really old people, probably in their forties.

1936
01:43:18.680 --> 01:43:21.479
This is thing I could do in long term, and

1937
01:43:21.680 --> 01:43:23.960
I knew at some point that I would open my

1938
01:43:24.079 --> 01:43:29.359
own bakery. And eventually he bought out another bakery and

1939
01:43:29.800 --> 01:43:33.039
brought in cake decorators and I've never seen that before,

1940
01:43:33.800 --> 01:43:34.800
but I realized at.

1941
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That moment that's what I want to do. I want

1942
01:43:36.920 --> 01:43:38.239
to open a bakery someday that.

1943
01:43:38.399 --> 01:43:42.760
Will incorporate my love for art, turned cakes into a

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01:43:42.840 --> 01:43:45.720
canvas to help people set three. So in nineteen ninety

1945
01:43:45.720 --> 01:43:47.720
three reopened Masterpiece Cake Shop.

1946
01:43:48.600 --> 01:43:50.880
Wow, well what a story. But I mean, you know,

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01:43:51.079 --> 01:43:53.680
you're a patriot, you love this country, you're a man

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01:43:53.760 --> 01:43:56.560
of faith, you love God, and you just want to

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work hard and provide for your family and provide for

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01:43:59.399 --> 01:44:03.039
the community. That's what you've been doing since nineteen ninety three, right, Yeah.

1951
01:44:03.399 --> 01:44:06.760
And prior to that though, back in nineteen seventy nine,

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01:44:06.920 --> 01:44:10.279
I became a follower of Christ and that changed everything.

1953
01:44:10.680 --> 01:44:14.079
My desire to open the bakery changed its focus to

1954
01:44:14.159 --> 01:44:16.720
where I knew that it would be a bakery where

1955
01:44:16.760 --> 01:44:20.239
I would want to serve my god well, to honor

1956
01:44:20.319 --> 01:44:22.960
my family, to honor my employees, to take care of them.

1957
01:44:23.840 --> 01:44:25.840
We wouldn't be open on Sunday, those kind of things.

1958
01:44:25.880 --> 01:44:28.479
So all those things came into focus there.

1959
01:44:29.199 --> 01:44:31.720
Did you think that you were targeted specifically by these.

1960
01:44:31.640 --> 01:44:33.840
Two guys, No, not in this case.

1961
01:44:33.920 --> 01:44:36.640
I know for a fact that they were referred to

1962
01:44:36.760 --> 01:44:40.960
us by a local restaurant who would refer to refer

1963
01:44:41.079 --> 01:44:43.840
customers to us all the time. But even though we

1964
01:44:43.920 --> 01:44:47.560
won that case at the US Supreme Court in twenty eighteen,

1965
01:44:49.560 --> 01:44:51.840
right after that we were sued a couple more times

1966
01:44:52.159 --> 01:44:54.840
because I declined to create a cake that was pink

1967
01:44:54.880 --> 01:44:57.800
on the inside and blue on the outside, and we

1968
01:44:57.920 --> 01:45:00.920
were told that those colors were to signify it gender transition.

1969
01:45:01.279 --> 01:45:04.840
And when we knew that it was a message, a

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01:45:04.960 --> 01:45:08.039
message that we couldn't express, we told this person, you'll

1971
01:45:08.039 --> 01:45:09.800
be glad to serve you in any way we could

1972
01:45:09.960 --> 01:45:12.359
glad to serve you, but we can't create that cake.

1973
01:45:12.640 --> 01:45:14.239
And that one was definitely targeted.

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01:45:14.680 --> 01:45:16.840
Yeah, and you've done that. I mean, that's been your heart.

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01:45:16.880 --> 01:45:21.239
Even with the first case, you offered other alternatives. You

1976
01:45:21.319 --> 01:45:24.520
were happy to you know, if they wanted you to

1977
01:45:24.600 --> 01:45:28.840
make cake. You were flexible accept accept what we.

1978
01:45:29.000 --> 01:45:32.479
Wanted, a graduation cake, birthday cake. Glad to you want

1979
01:45:32.479 --> 01:45:34.720
to buy cookies and brownies from me. I'd love to

1980
01:45:34.800 --> 01:45:37.479
serve you, but I just didn't create that those cakes

1981
01:45:37.680 --> 01:45:39.479
because of the messages they expressed.

1982
01:45:40.439 --> 01:45:42.079
Jack, What kind of impact did this have on you?

1983
01:45:42.239 --> 01:45:44.720
I mean your faith, to be so committed to your

1984
01:45:44.760 --> 01:45:48.279
faith to say look at you know, I mean you're

1985
01:45:48.319 --> 01:45:51.359
talking from twenty twelve to twenty eighteen and all the

1986
01:45:51.479 --> 01:45:55.079
legal expense that goes with it. And well, I'll tell

1987
01:45:55.079 --> 01:45:59.439
you you know, I imagine you lived out that verse

1988
01:45:59.479 --> 01:46:01.479
in the Bible says he who knows their God will

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01:46:01.520 --> 01:46:02.720
do mighty exploits right.

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01:46:03.760 --> 01:46:03.960
Yeah.

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01:46:04.000 --> 01:46:07.439
And also another versus Second Chronicle sixteen nine, it says

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01:46:07.520 --> 01:46:09.640
that the eyes of the Lord ranged throughout the world

1993
01:46:10.239 --> 01:46:12.479
to strengthen those whose hearts are fully committed to him.

1994
01:46:12.840 --> 01:46:14.840
So I want to be committed to him and his

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01:46:15.000 --> 01:46:18.319
promises that he will in one version show himself strong

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01:46:18.680 --> 01:46:21.880
or to strengthen it. So this has changed our walk.

1997
01:46:22.199 --> 01:46:25.079
I think prior to this, I was sleepwalking through my faith.

1998
01:46:25.680 --> 01:46:29.039
But when that all this legal stuff started, I had

1999
01:46:29.079 --> 01:46:31.399
to stop and focus. What do I want to do

2000
01:46:31.520 --> 01:46:34.880
with my life, with this bakery, with my family. One

2001
01:46:34.920 --> 01:46:38.159
of the things is Masterpiece cake Shop is called Masterpiece

2002
01:46:38.399 --> 01:46:42.319
cake Shop because masterpiece says art. Cake shop says cakes.

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01:46:43.079 --> 01:46:46.720
But also part of Masterpiece is Jesus' lesson in the

2004
01:46:46.760 --> 01:46:49.319
Sermon on the Mount that no man can serve two masters.

2005
01:46:49.720 --> 01:46:52.439
And so I realize every day when I think about it,

2006
01:46:52.800 --> 01:46:53.920
who am I serving today?

2007
01:46:55.239 --> 01:46:58.920
Jack. Freedom of speech very much in the news today,

2008
01:46:58.960 --> 01:47:04.960
obviously because of the recent assassination of Charlie Kirk in

2009
01:47:05.079 --> 01:47:09.000
your particular case. Again, this is just another chapter in

2010
01:47:09.119 --> 01:47:13.520
this battle for our First Amendment right to exercise free

2011
01:47:13.560 --> 01:47:16.680
speech right right and the court.

2012
01:47:17.479 --> 01:47:20.039
We asked the US Supreme Court to look at my

2013
01:47:20.279 --> 01:47:24.600
free speech and my free exercise. Constitution guarantees both, and

2014
01:47:24.680 --> 01:47:26.880
those are not rights that are given to us by

2015
01:47:26.960 --> 01:47:30.279
the government. Government's responsibility is to protect those rights. Those

2016
01:47:30.359 --> 01:47:32.840
are rights that are given to us from God. But

2017
01:47:33.039 --> 01:47:38.359
the state of Colorado, their impermissible hostility is a quote

2018
01:47:38.399 --> 01:47:40.720
from the US Supreme Court toward me and my faith

2019
01:47:41.000 --> 01:47:43.000
was enough for them to rule on my case and

2020
01:47:43.039 --> 01:47:43.760
they didn't have to.

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01:47:43.800 --> 01:47:45.199
Address the speech issue.

2022
01:47:45.560 --> 01:47:49.159
But they've had other opportunities recently and coming up to

2023
01:47:49.279 --> 01:47:50.960
address those free speech rights.

2024
01:47:52.520 --> 01:47:55.000
They've come out, Well, well, what did you think of

2025
01:47:55.119 --> 01:47:59.000
Tim Kaine, I mean, a former Democratic nominee for Vice

2026
01:47:59.079 --> 01:48:03.680
president who said that there's no such thing as inalienable

2027
01:48:03.800 --> 01:48:05.039
rights given to us by God.

2028
01:48:07.039 --> 01:48:10.600
I can't speak for him, but I think that's just wrong.

2029
01:48:10.720 --> 01:48:15.159
Those rights in our constitution. Founding fathers realize that those

2030
01:48:15.239 --> 01:48:18.159
rights are from God. He can think what he wants,

2031
01:48:18.199 --> 01:48:23.640
but that's not what our constitution says. That it's not

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01:48:23.760 --> 01:48:24.960
the truth God has given.

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01:48:24.840 --> 01:48:25.439
Us those rights.

2034
01:48:26.359 --> 01:48:28.399
What do you say, Jack, for all that you've gone

2035
01:48:28.479 --> 01:48:34.159
through in this fight for free speech and how God

2036
01:48:34.279 --> 01:48:37.800
has defended you. And I know you give God the credit,

2037
01:48:38.119 --> 01:48:39.600
you know for this that he brought you through it,

2038
01:48:39.600 --> 01:48:43.119
because there's so much to your case. I mean the

2039
01:48:43.199 --> 01:48:47.199
impact that this had on you personally, your wife, your marriage,

2040
01:48:47.279 --> 01:48:51.479
your business, and also I mean the resounding impact that

2041
01:48:51.560 --> 01:48:55.079
it has on other citizens who just want to do

2042
01:48:55.199 --> 01:48:57.800
the same thing you do. You know, work hard, provide

2043
01:48:57.840 --> 01:49:01.319
for the community, and express their God given rights to life,

2044
01:49:01.399 --> 01:49:02.720
liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

2045
01:49:04.279 --> 01:49:05.920
And I could tell you a lot of stories of

2046
01:49:05.960 --> 01:49:08.039
people who have come in and told me how this

2047
01:49:08.680 --> 01:49:11.640
this case has impacted their their walk, their life, and

2048
01:49:11.840 --> 01:49:14.880
it just it astounds me that God could use someone

2049
01:49:15.000 --> 01:49:17.960
like me in a place this small and insignificant to

2050
01:49:19.760 --> 01:49:23.319
further his work to glorify his himself and his kingdom.

2051
01:49:24.359 --> 01:49:27.079
Well and right now more than ever, Jack, you know,

2052
01:49:27.159 --> 01:49:29.439
we need to stand shoulder to shoulder and back to

2053
01:49:29.560 --> 01:49:32.199
back people of faith and look what Look at the

2054
01:49:32.239 --> 01:49:35.039
response that's happening right now. I mean God's up to

2055
01:49:35.119 --> 01:49:38.600
something here. I mean the number one selling book last

2056
01:49:38.640 --> 01:49:42.760
week was the Bible Coming Back, you know, to church

2057
01:49:42.880 --> 01:49:45.720
in mass numbers. You know, people were complaining, I can't

2058
01:49:45.760 --> 01:49:48.920
find my parking space, you know, which I think is

2059
01:49:48.920 --> 01:49:51.039
a good thing. You know that we can't find our

2060
01:49:51.119 --> 01:49:52.880
We would hope that we wouldn't be able to find

2061
01:49:52.920 --> 01:49:56.720
our parking space. You know that, you know, God's word

2062
01:49:56.800 --> 01:49:59.880
is going out and his his message and his goal

2063
01:50:00.520 --> 01:50:03.640
are reaching out in such a dramatic way that you know,

2064
01:50:03.760 --> 01:50:06.720
God's up to something real exciting here and especially amongst

2065
01:50:06.720 --> 01:50:08.680
the young people. Is that what you see to them?

2066
01:50:09.119 --> 01:50:11.840
And I think just the Bible selling is one thing

2067
01:50:12.039 --> 01:50:14.079
that Jesus says in John chapter fifteen.

2068
01:50:14.279 --> 01:50:16.479
If you abide in me and my words, abiding you,

2069
01:50:16.640 --> 01:50:18.880
we have to read the Bible.

2070
01:50:18.960 --> 01:50:21.479
We have to know who Jesus is and what God's

2071
01:50:21.520 --> 01:50:24.720
plan is for our lives right more important just by

2072
01:50:24.920 --> 01:50:25.960
than just buying a Bible.

2073
01:50:26.039 --> 01:50:30.119
So I pray that that's the use that comes from it.

2074
01:50:30.960 --> 01:50:32.479
Well, and I think that's what the young kids are

2075
01:50:32.520 --> 01:50:35.920
looking for. I mean, look what's happening. You know, You've

2076
01:50:35.960 --> 01:50:40.479
got these businesses that are challenging and thinking they can

2077
01:50:40.600 --> 01:50:44.760
re i know, reinvent their brand so to speak, and

2078
01:50:45.399 --> 01:50:48.720
what is costing them to abandon these core principles. And

2079
01:50:48.840 --> 01:50:51.800
my prayer is is that the Church of God would

2080
01:50:51.840 --> 01:50:58.760
hold steady and really recertify, I guess, and embrace a

2081
01:50:59.000 --> 01:51:02.439
new fund mental boldness and courage for a time such

2082
01:51:02.479 --> 01:51:05.039
as this, because I think that's what the times are calling.

2083
01:51:05.119 --> 01:51:07.000
I think that's what you're referring to a little bit here.

2084
01:51:07.760 --> 01:51:10.680
Yeah, and you mentioned I think the documentary of the

2085
01:51:10.720 --> 01:51:13.680
Truth Rising from the focus on the family and the

2086
01:51:13.720 --> 01:51:16.560
Coulson Center, and the focus of that documentary is to

2087
01:51:17.199 --> 01:51:18.840
help people to realize.

2088
01:51:18.560 --> 01:51:20.720
We need to know the truth, we need to follow

2089
01:51:20.800 --> 01:51:22.680
the truth, we need to obey the truth.

2090
01:51:22.880 --> 01:51:25.560
Jesus Christ said, I am the way the truth in

2091
01:51:25.640 --> 01:51:27.600
the life, and we need to follow him, and so

2092
01:51:27.640 --> 01:51:30.880
I hope that this documentary is something that really encourages

2093
01:51:30.920 --> 01:51:31.600
people to do that.

2094
01:51:32.560 --> 01:51:33.520
How can people view it?

2095
01:51:34.359 --> 01:51:38.039
It's free, it's online only, it's truth Rising dot Com.

2096
01:51:38.359 --> 01:51:42.640
You just go on there, click on and it's a good, encouraging,

2097
01:51:42.920 --> 01:51:43.720
inspiring video.

2098
01:51:44.520 --> 01:51:48.000
Well, Jack, is as you've experienced. I've experienced the same thing.

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01:51:48.119 --> 01:51:49.600
I mean, I got caught up in the culture and

2100
01:51:49.640 --> 01:51:52.279
thought that, you know, I bought into this deal that

2101
01:51:52.760 --> 01:51:56.159
maybe truth was relative, and you know, that's kind of

2102
01:51:56.239 --> 01:52:01.119
like defining gravity, you know. You know, so at some

2103
01:52:01.199 --> 01:52:03.680
point you got to come to that reality that you know,

2104
01:52:04.159 --> 01:52:07.319
truth matters and God is the truth, right, Jesus said,

2105
01:52:07.319 --> 01:52:09.800
I'm the truth, the way, and the life and the story.

2106
01:52:09.840 --> 01:52:12.520
There's nothing else. That's a drop your Mike moment, right.

2107
01:52:12.960 --> 01:52:16.960
Yeah, absolutely, And he God loves us so much that

2108
01:52:17.119 --> 01:52:19.960
he created us for a relationship with him, but our

2109
01:52:20.079 --> 01:52:22.159
sin has destroyed that relationship.

2110
01:52:22.479 --> 01:52:23.239
And he loved us so.

2111
01:52:23.319 --> 01:52:25.560
Much and his mercy is so great that he sent

2112
01:52:25.680 --> 01:52:28.680
his son Jesus to take the punishment far asin and

2113
01:52:28.880 --> 01:52:30.199
restore that relationship.

2114
01:52:30.560 --> 01:52:32.359
And that's just good news that everybody needs.

2115
01:52:32.479 --> 01:52:34.920
It really is, isn't it. You've got to check this

2116
01:52:35.000 --> 01:52:37.199
out Truth Rising and Focus on the Family again the

2117
01:52:37.239 --> 01:52:38.920
website Jack that they can see the.

2118
01:52:38.960 --> 01:52:41.359
Movie Truth Rising dot com.

2119
01:52:42.239 --> 01:52:46.119
Jack Phillips, great story and you'll you'll see it again

2120
01:52:46.439 --> 01:52:49.640
and hear more about it in Truth Rising, this new

2121
01:52:49.720 --> 01:52:53.039
documentary from Focus on the Family and the Colson Center. Jack,

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01:52:53.119 --> 01:52:54.640
Thank you so much for being with us. Take care,

2123
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God bless thank you.

2124
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Bill.

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