Sept. 12, 2025

The Bill Martinez Show 09 12 25

The Bill Martinez Show 09 12 25
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The Bill Martinez Show 09 12 25
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Are you ready, Yeah, okay, let's do an Ill Martinez Live,

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a program about current events, our culture, our values, our politics,

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and our future.

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And now Bill Martinez.

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Hey, we're back with the Bill Martinez here along with

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Richard Lyons. Richard, good morning. Good to have you with us.

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How are you, sir?

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Good morning, Bill. I'm well, but I'm very sad about

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Charlie Kirk.

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Yeah, no doubt. You know, this is our democracy. You know,

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you've written about it in the DNA of Democracy, The

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Shadows of the Acropolis. You know, democracy has been under

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attack from day one. I mean this great American idea.

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There were many antithical forces that have been rooting against

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us even to this very moment, and of course what

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happened with the assassination of Charlie Kirk once again this

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great American idea under attack.

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Well, what we're looking at is, if I may, Bill,

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it's the last one hundred years of socialism being presented

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in America as some sort of beneficial alternative mode of governments.

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It has never been that. It is tyranny dressed as

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redistribution through government to the poor of the wealth of

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a country. They replaced equality with the word equity and

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they use the word equity to say a single political

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party can take all the wealth in the nation and

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take it from those who earned it and give it

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to those who have it. The most recent this has

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been going on for one hundred years. The most recent

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advantage that the left has taken is for the past

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two generations now, Bill, during our lifetime, they have infiltrated

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the universities all throughout the country and have described America

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as a country that's the problem, that we are the

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original sinners in history, and that socialism is the cure

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all for that. They forget entirely that we fought a

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civil war unexampled in human history, where a majority race

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went to war with itself to free a minority race

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and provide them equal rights. Exactly, they forget about it entirely, right,

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They forget that it was a Democrat party that fought

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for the Confederacy, that it was the Copperhead Democrats that

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were against Lincoln every day of his administration through the media.

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In fact, now for the last two generations, they've gotten

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into the universities and they're portraying socialism as a happy

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utopia they can only be arrived at if you cancel

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every other idea of government. Our way, the way in

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which we were founded, is to present all the ideas

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you have. First of all, you have to take in

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the whole compass. You have to embrace opposites as much

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as George Washington did, or Thomas Jefferson did with John

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Adams and Abigail Adams. Right, because, okay, we fundamentally differ

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in what our ideas are and where we want to

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take the country. But you debate it like they debated

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the formation of our constitution. You put fifty five people

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in one room representing the whole country, and you say,

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let's work on the best idea for what the future

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of this country is. Now, what socialism is is. They

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claim that that same constitution is a living document. What

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does that mean? It means you can kill it, and

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they're doing their best to destroy it. Our Constitution is

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the one vehicle whereby persons of different ideas can compose

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those those ideas through reason and debate and come to

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a solution that is represented.

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In all of America, exactly right.

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All of America is represented in that chamber, and out

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of that chamber comes a solution for all of America

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and everybody can feel good about that solution and a

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part of the solution because it's their representatives who came

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to that solution. What socialism is saying, we don't want

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to talk about any other ideas. We want the single

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idea of socialism to be victorious at whatever costs.

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Right. The thing I find quite ironic here, Richard, is

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that they will say it's a living document, that it's dynamic,

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so it becomes interpretive. Okay, well that was then, you know,

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today's language and understanding. You know, this is now. I mean,

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that's like you know, saying, all right, well gravity is dynamic.

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So they back two hundred years ago meant a certain thing.

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Now it's not the same. So let's get back on

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top of the roof and we're going to jump off

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and see, you know, make sure we have our own,

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you know, modern understanding of what gravity is.

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Really well put. But if change it to weather, yeah,

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now they say weather is dynamic. No, we have to

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define it. We have to be within two degrees where

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we want to be.

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Right.

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Therefore, we have to change the entire economy. The government

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has to run it right. So the minute you know

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the constitution, as you know, Bill and everybody in America

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should read it. Please. It's what Charlie Kirch has died for.

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It is very short, it's very to the point, and

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it protects our representation and government. It protects ourselves as citizens.

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It limits government size. It isn't an open ended government

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can take control of everything and tell you what to do, right,

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and that that is what Charlie kirk was trying to

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reinform the youth of America who are literally drowning in indoctrination.

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And the thing that's amazing Richard, you know when he

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went to the campus, is that no other conservative dare

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go because they saw it as kind of like a

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no go zone. And Charlie goes, no, he goes, uh,

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you know, you got to talk to these kids. And

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and the thing is the reason these kids embraced him

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is that they go, you know what, I'm not crazy.

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I'm not right. I mean, it's.

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Crazy because I'm a I'm a white male. I'm not

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evil because I'm a white male.

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Yeah, because I because I believe in free speech.

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You know, one million casualties, largely white males, died in

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the Civil War, right, and now they're trying to claim

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it was never fought. I mean it is we are not.

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America is not the evil in the world. America has

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fought socialism and tyranny through out the world and make

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the world a better place.

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And tell me, with your historical background in that, is

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there any instance in history that you could say socialism

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worked here? No, zero, unequivocal.

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This is the profound problem. Yes, they either have to

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have utopia or they have to be on their way

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to the utopia. But the fact is there is no

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utopia right and on the way to utopia. What socialism

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does is destroy everybody with an independent idea, destroy everybody

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who earned an income that had been their own right.

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It destroys everybody but the inner circle of a single

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political party, their friends and family. You exit in China

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right now, where they just had a talk between g

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and Putin saying, isn't it wonderful we can harvest organs from.

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Anybody lived to be one hundred and fifty, no harm,

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no foul. Yeah, at their expense, not at their expense.

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But you know, in a sense, it's it's a it's

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a form of you know, singular rule where you know

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it's good to be king. But they don't talk about

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it that way.

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No, they don't. But it's the same thing. The tyranny

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that exists in socialism is the same tyranny exercised by

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the pharaohs of Egypt. Yes, they just rebranded. Yeah right.

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This guy Karl Marx, who never took a bath in

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his life, this you know, stinking crack pot from Germany,

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created an ideology that has destroyed everything that's touched since

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its inception. It's literally butchered hundreds of millions of people.

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And you know, if any professor in college, what they

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what they get, Bill, They get, Oh, I'm the cool

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professor because I'm against America, right and I'm for socialism,

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and I have tenure, they had security, and the rebel

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they get to be Marlon Brando and Howard Hughes.

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At the same time, right exactly.

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And it just it goals me entirely. And here's one

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man with courage enough to go to a college campus

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on his own and just try to put a wedge

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in that indoctrination and say, look, America is a great country.

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You really ought to get to know it.

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Yeah, let me, let me let me show you some facts.

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Let me facts, right, facts, not opinion. Here's the facts.

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Here's the historical record. And then of course you know

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it causes these kids to all of a sudden re

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engage with some you know, critical thinking. What a novel

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concept on a university campus, right exactly.

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And you know I heard great numbers yesterday. Bill. There

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are thirty five hundred chapters of turning point yes in

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high s, fools and on campuses in America. That's a

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remarkable feat. Oh, thirty one years was able to achieve.

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Exactly. We've got to go to a quick break. We'll

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pick it up on the other side. More from Richard

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Richard Lyons, author of The DNA of Democracy and The

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Shadows of the Acropolis. Yeah, it's amazing when you look

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back to see what you're Arlie Cook, Charlie Charlie Kirk

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did in such a short amount of time. I mean,

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at the age of eighteen, he is going in and

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talking to corporate America saying, look at here's my idea

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and he's selling corporate America to back him up, and

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he goes from a chapter or two and as you said,

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the latest account over thirty five hundred chapters of Turning

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Point Yes, involving millions of kids. What a force. And

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I said this earlier to someone else. I think Charlie

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Kirk was almost singularly responsible for the election of Donald

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Trump this cycle.

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He certainly had a heck of a lot to do

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with it. The other thing I find remarkable given yesterday,

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was that Trump survived the assassination attempt on him. If

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he had not turned Bilts like that at the moment, Yes,

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wouldn't have taken him in the era, would have gone

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right in his temple.

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Exactly.

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These are very dedicated assassins. This is, you know, America

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needs to wake up. Socialism is about killing people, it's

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about enslaving people, and it's a hateful right ideology, America's ideology.

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It's foundation is the rebellion against historical tyranny that took

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five thousand years to emerge.

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Out of right exactly.

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The most unique history on earth, and it's the rebel.

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History right exactly. You know, at its very essence, socialism

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mediocritizes and stifles the populace. Yes, I mean you imagine,

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I mean you're suffocated in mediocrity and misery. That's the

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kind of government you want to live under.

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Well, let's take a look at what Charlie Kirk and

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Donald Trump are just we're fighting against in this election. DEI,

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which is in doctrine at the college level, and corporately ESG,

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which is controlling the investment income of private corporations, public corporations,

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the d banking that they were doing critical race series

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theory so that everybody gets indoctrinated to hate their own country.

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That socialism. Yes, this is the end game. This is

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what Obama's administration brought us to.

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This was the fundamental transformation of a.

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Mess that he spoke of. And I'm you know, Bill,

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I'm sure there's a lot of theories. He had a

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pen and a phone during the Biden administration.

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Oh no doubt, And everything that came out.

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Of that administration was part of the blueprint by Obama.

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And he should be vilified just as much as anybody

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in that administration for what happened during that administration.

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And of course we found out what happened during the transition.

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I mean, you know, he moved about four thousand of

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his own people out of the administration into the government

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to serve as a backup to these you know, these

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principles and these policies that they affected under eight years

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of his administration, and to do everything they could to

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interfere with the peaceful transformation from one administration to the next.

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And I mean there's no doubt in my opinion when

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you look at everything and you see the evidence that

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is coming out that Barack Obama was, you know, was

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the godfather of all this.

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Yeah, that's a perfect name for that, The Godfather. He

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stays in the shadows, right, and you don't need to know,

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I mean before before the movie The Godfather, who knew

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what godfathers.

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Were or who they were, right exactly?

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They hide, but they manipulate everything, just like that famous

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image of the puppet the Godfather, right. And I think

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he was at work in that. He was at work. Obviously,

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was the instigator of Russia Gate, the Russia Hopes, Yes,

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and he and Pelosi obviously behind the impeachments and all

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this and all the media chorusing along. And that's the

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thing that the Democrats have had a two generation lock

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on the entertainment industry, media and universities. And it's between

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those two that you know, we are cultural right.

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And they've been judged in a minor sort of way

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in twenty twenty four. But I'm saying, you got to

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put the silver steak in the heart of this evil

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empire once and for all. It needs to be judged.

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And look at I get it. You know, there's some states,

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some districts have been gerry mandered. It's going to be

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impossible to get the Democrats out of there. But where

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you can get them out of there, you need to

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make sure. And I say democrats in a broad brush

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sort of way, So forgive me, but you know what

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I'm talking about. I'm talking about putting people where you

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can in place that are constitutional, that believe in the

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American idea and that which the Constitution says, well.

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This is where this is where Shadows of the Acropolis goes,

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Bill and why. For one hundred years there's been the

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administrative state, which is an unenumerated power, right, there is

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no mention of it in our constitution, but it has

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been growing since the presidency of Woodrow Wilson. And it's

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where Democrats go to have appointed power, not elected power.

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It's where they go to move the money, it's where

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they go to stay in office for a lifetime. And

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it's why Obama moved those four thousand people in there

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to state any other ideology but his.

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Own right, right, Exactly, they.

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Talk about democracy, they're not talking about our democracy, right,

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They're talking about.

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It because we're we're not We're not a democracy, We're

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a democratic republic. So you must know the difference.

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And this is the problem, exactly, and that that republic

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is based on federalism. And I think the cure for

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this whole thing is to reinstitute federalism to where states

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have more power to govern themselves, to retain their own

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wealth and succeed based on conservative policies and let the

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blue states hang themselves with their.

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Own policies exactly, because if you go back to block

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granting a lot of these things to the states, hey,

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look at that's your money. That's you know, like we

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do with our kids. Hey, you know, that's that's your

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expense account. Right. You know, if you come back to

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me at the end of the month and say I

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ran out of money, well you got to wait until

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the new month comes. Yeah, that's how you learn.

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They have a good time, right yeah, Governor knews something.

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That's how you learn.

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And it's why they love this mammoth budget that they

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throw everything in and then they just hand it to

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the administrative state. The four hundred agencies. Yes, and their

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budgets go up by cola every year, no matter what.

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And the minute you talk about cutting one dime, they

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all scream bloody murder. Is because it is the Democrat

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socialist foundation of power and wealth in our nation's capital,

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which has become a concentrated capital of power.

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Right.

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Well, and this is you know, with this new administration,

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and Donald Trump has learned from the first go around.

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You know, he's got to break it up. We got

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to move these agencies out of DC.

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Come out, Yeah, exactly. The critical thing is every one

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of those agencies has offices in every state. Let the

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state take over that office, exactly, and let the states

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keep their own money and deal with the poor and

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deal with those in need. Let the states do it.

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And now have this mammoth and Washington d C.

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Well, and you think before, you know, before FDR, you know,

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the country was pretty effective handling the poor.

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Yeah, charitable what happened to charity. You are the most

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charitable country in the world. Why don't we direct that,

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Why don't we have an association of faiths that distribute

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money better than a government does, because they're not asking

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for anything.

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No exactly. Well, if anything, you get government regulation that

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gets in the way, that impedes some of these churches

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just having a soup kitchen.

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You know, they you know, as much as they can

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because they hate having any other authority outside of government,

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any other go to place. They don't want anyone to

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believe in something other than the state or be able

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to have you know, there's no good other than the state.

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For them, right exactly. You know, I don't know if

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you saw this survey just came out from gallup to

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your earlier point about you know, particularly the Democratic Party

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loving socialism. They just released it and the National Survey

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asked American adults how they viewed capitalism and socialism. Only

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forty two percent of Democrats said they viewed capitalism positively

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to your point, while fifty five percent viewed it negatively.

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Sixty six percent of Democrats said they had a positive

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view of socialism, while just thirty percent of Democrats had

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a negative view of socialism.

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There's a very there's a very real reason why bill

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persons who earned their money earned their money. Yeah, Democrats,

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socialists earned their money by taking the money right from

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those who earn it and making us feel guilty for

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not giving them every dime we've got. Right, they deem,

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what does the person who earned the wealth that they spend?

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But Richard, we've been conditioned, We've been slowly conditioned to

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accept so because that is the government today.

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It's two generations now exactly.

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It doesn't give, it only takes yes.

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And what it gives back is is Stacy Abrams. Now

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we've given two billion dollars and can't even make a budget.

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She doesn't even know how to write up a budget. Yeah,

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and they're giving her two billion dollars to give to

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her friends throughout Georgia to make sure that Georgia votes

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in the next election for a Democrat socialist.

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And that has been the party line of the Democrats,

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whether it's you know, Joe Biden emptying out the Strategic

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Petroleum Reserve because it was election time, you know. And

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I believe, I believe what pal did you know in

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adjusting the rate? What fifty basis points going into election.

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I mean the manipulation on all levels that has taking place.

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It's all about buying votes. That's what they've done. They

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either they either stuff the ballot by boats. They're gonna

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win at any cost.

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Yeah, well, that that is socialism, and it's in broad

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view right now because what socialists can't do politically or economically,

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they do forcefully and violently.

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Right.

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They will take it as far as they can go,

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whether it's the strategic reserve which is made for our defense, right,

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whether it's manipulating the FED, which was supposed to be

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independent of politics, all these agencies that are so democratic

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now socialists really they were born in Woodrow Wilson's mind

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as being independent of politics, that they can be away

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from the fray. No, they can't be. You're gonna choose

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your side. It's gonna help your family and your friends,

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and you're gonna do it at the expensive persons you

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don't agree with. And that is anathema diametrically opposed to

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how we were found.

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Well, Richard Lyons, as always we appreciate the insight. Thank

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you so much for coming on. He is the author

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of DNA of Democracy, The Shadows of the Acropolis. Of course,

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both books available still right, yes, of course, yes, yeah.

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Nutrition for Patriots, Welcome morning to him.

515
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Welcome Bill Martinez here along with Droy Murdoc, the Fox

516
00:30:28.240 --> 00:30:31.240
News contributor Manhattan based hey Deroy good morning.

517
00:30:31.240 --> 00:30:33.839
How are you great, Bill? How are you good? To

518
00:30:33.839 --> 00:30:34.160
talk to you?

519
00:30:34.319 --> 00:30:37.839
Hey, always good talking to you. Of course, we've got

520
00:30:37.880 --> 00:30:41.240
some tough stuff to talk about. I mean, this avoidable

521
00:30:41.440 --> 00:30:45.920
tragedy of North Carolina leads off our conversation today. I mean,

522
00:30:46.160 --> 00:30:50.720
this is just so regrettable on so many levels. And

523
00:30:51.359 --> 00:30:55.319
it's amazing how the Left has done everything they can

524
00:30:55.440 --> 00:30:58.039
to avoid, you know, dealing with this. I mean, it's

525
00:30:58.079 --> 00:31:01.200
kind of amazing. If a guy would have been involved, boy,

526
00:31:01.240 --> 00:31:05.480
they'd be up in arms about taking away our you know,

527
00:31:05.519 --> 00:31:08.559
our Second Amendment right and everything. But yet this is

528
00:31:08.599 --> 00:31:12.079
something that was clearly avoidable. But it's all brought to

529
00:31:12.119 --> 00:31:15.160
you and consistent with these Blue cities.

530
00:31:16.240 --> 00:31:19.799
Yeah. Unfortunately, as you say, there's so many horrific aspects

531
00:31:20.119 --> 00:31:23.200
to this awful case. And I think the first observation

532
00:31:23.279 --> 00:31:27.240
I make is this poor young woman, Arena Zarutzska from Ukraine.

533
00:31:27.880 --> 00:31:29.839
She might even be alive today if she just stayed

534
00:31:29.839 --> 00:31:33.559
in Ukraine and took her chances against Vladimir Putin's incoming rockets.

535
00:31:33.599 --> 00:31:35.960
I mean, at least she would have known, Okay, dangers coming.

536
00:31:36.039 --> 00:31:39.039
Let me brace myself, let me run to a bomb shelter.

537
00:31:39.200 --> 00:31:41.039
Let me hide under a desk or at least something.

538
00:31:41.079 --> 00:31:42.759
I mean, this poor one is sitting there looking at

539
00:31:42.759 --> 00:31:45.599
her smartphone, no idea that somebody right behind her was

540
00:31:45.720 --> 00:31:47.440
going to stick a knife in her neck, which she did,

541
00:31:47.960 --> 00:31:53.200
and subsequently the camera footage that finally got released showed

542
00:31:53.200 --> 00:31:57.039
that she'd die instantly. She apparently fully but surely realized

543
00:31:57.039 --> 00:31:59.160
she was bleed to death and it bled out and

544
00:31:59.279 --> 00:32:01.440
passed out and died. I mean, what an awful thing.

545
00:32:01.480 --> 00:32:03.440
I mean, at least he died instantly. She wouldn't have

546
00:32:03.440 --> 00:32:05.960
suffered micheviously suffered. Oh oh my god, I'm dying here,

547
00:32:05.960 --> 00:32:11.400
which makes even worse. And then the response from the media,

548
00:32:11.559 --> 00:32:13.960
an ex post from some of someone, but it goes

549
00:32:14.000 --> 00:32:17.279
by name and wokeness looked at the let's see. Up

550
00:32:17.359 --> 00:32:21.880
until September sixth, Associated Press, PBS, National Public Radio, Wall

551
00:32:21.880 --> 00:32:26.519
Street Journal, BBC, CNN, Washington Post, Reuters, MSNBC, zero stories

552
00:32:26.559 --> 00:32:29.319
on this deadly tech. Nothing. Now finally it's become a

553
00:32:29.440 --> 00:32:32.400
national story. I guess they are giving you some coverage,

554
00:32:32.519 --> 00:32:36.039
but the coverage isn't crazed x con with fourteen arrests,

555
00:32:36.240 --> 00:32:40.279
kills innocent Ukrainian refugee. The story is Basically, Donald J.

556
00:32:40.319 --> 00:32:43.440
Trump is the bad guy. He's exploiting his political purposes.

557
00:32:43.559 --> 00:32:47.079
You know, Republicans Pounds Maggie uses this crime as a

558
00:32:47.079 --> 00:32:51.759
way to promote its law enforcement agenda. So it's all

559
00:32:51.799 --> 00:32:54.480
about you know, what bad guys we are for bringing

560
00:32:54.480 --> 00:32:58.039
this in public attention, rather what a bad guy this

561
00:32:58.319 --> 00:33:01.839
to Carlos Brown was who perpetrated this act and put

562
00:33:01.880 --> 00:33:04.799
this woman now into a casket. That's that's not the focus.

563
00:33:04.839 --> 00:33:06.599
That's not the point. The point is how terrible we

564
00:33:06.640 --> 00:33:09.359
are on the right side of the spectrum for bringing

565
00:33:09.359 --> 00:33:12.000
this to the attention of American people. After the journalists

566
00:33:12.000 --> 00:33:13.640
on the left side of the spectrum it basically kept

567
00:33:13.640 --> 00:33:18.119
it completely covered up, swaddled in silence for every day

568
00:33:18.200 --> 00:33:20.119
up until it became a news story. On the right

569
00:33:20.119 --> 00:33:20.440
side of the.

570
00:33:20.440 --> 00:33:24.039
Spectrum, well, the left has continued to say, as you say,

571
00:33:24.079 --> 00:33:26.440
to beat the drama of oh, you know, Trump is

572
00:33:26.440 --> 00:33:29.240
bringing in the National Guard, and you know, the dictator

573
00:33:29.279 --> 00:33:32.200
in chief is going to take over, and you know,

574
00:33:32.240 --> 00:33:35.759
whether it's Pritsker or you know, the mayor of Chicago,

575
00:33:35.880 --> 00:33:39.519
Brandon Johnson, and on and on with their you know,

576
00:33:39.640 --> 00:33:43.319
just insane rhetoric. But meanwhile, people are dying, and I mean,

577
00:33:43.440 --> 00:33:45.640
you know it's like but but look at the contrast.

578
00:33:45.920 --> 00:33:47.799
Look what happened in d C. I mean you even

579
00:33:47.799 --> 00:33:50.799
had the president yesterday going out to dinner in DC.

580
00:33:51.279 --> 00:33:52.839
When was the last time you saw him in d

581
00:33:52.960 --> 00:33:53.799
C having dinner?

582
00:33:54.720 --> 00:33:57.000
You know, see that very often. Yeah, you know this

583
00:33:57.079 --> 00:33:59.359
sort of thing is you know that the Democrats attitude

584
00:33:59.400 --> 00:34:00.960
is really cute, and somebody gets a knife in the neck.

585
00:34:01.000 --> 00:34:04.279
You know, we're not talking about Okay, the number of

586
00:34:04.359 --> 00:34:06.920
speeding tickets is going up, or people are being arrested

587
00:34:06.920 --> 00:34:08.840
for jaywalking. I mean, what we're trying to do here

588
00:34:08.920 --> 00:34:12.480
is prevent people from being murdered. And when the Democrats

589
00:34:12.559 --> 00:34:15.320
get their way and they let people like this to

590
00:34:15.400 --> 00:34:18.519
Carlos Brown out of jail over and over and over.

591
00:34:18.679 --> 00:34:21.320
I think just earlier this year, he was arrested for

592
00:34:21.440 --> 00:34:26.320
assaulting his sister and also apparently calling sort of prank

593
00:34:26.360 --> 00:34:28.760
phone calls to nine one one on three occasions, and

594
00:34:28.880 --> 00:34:31.599
the Democrat judge, who was a big supporter of Kamala Harris,

595
00:34:31.760 --> 00:34:34.280
said well, here, why don't you sign a little note

596
00:34:34.280 --> 00:34:36.400
promising to be a good boy and not do this again,

597
00:34:36.440 --> 00:34:39.039
which he did. Let him back on the Street. Now

598
00:34:39.639 --> 00:34:43.440
we've got this poor Arena Zerutzka dad with a knife

599
00:34:43.480 --> 00:34:45.960
in her neck. You know this, let's be nice. The

600
00:34:46.000 --> 00:34:49.360
criminals concept the Democrats have, you know, it's it's not

601
00:34:49.440 --> 00:34:52.159
just foolish and silly, it's deadly. It's tragic, and it

602
00:34:53.119 --> 00:34:57.119
literally is getting people butchered and murdered and killed well dry.

603
00:34:57.239 --> 00:34:57.440
You know.

604
00:34:57.559 --> 00:35:00.360
The thing is is that this is almost like in

605
00:35:00.639 --> 00:35:04.440
a sense, it's it's like Gaza. You know, when are

606
00:35:04.480 --> 00:35:07.119
the people who have some kind of sanity about them

607
00:35:07.199 --> 00:35:11.360
saying enough? I mean I keep looking for people in

608
00:35:11.440 --> 00:35:14.199
mass there in North Carolina to be storming the bestille

609
00:35:14.199 --> 00:35:19.320
there and letting these activist judges know that this is unacceptable,

610
00:35:19.559 --> 00:35:23.000
that we're not going to live under. You know this

611
00:35:23.000 --> 00:35:27.519
this kind of tyranny, a true tyranny that the Left

612
00:35:27.519 --> 00:35:31.840
has brought upon its citizenry, particularly in Blue states, if

613
00:35:31.880 --> 00:35:33.639
they don't take a stand. I mean, in much the

614
00:35:33.679 --> 00:35:36.239
same way. I mean when you look at the footage

615
00:35:36.320 --> 00:35:39.559
of after this young girl, who's twenty four year old

616
00:35:39.559 --> 00:35:43.760
girl was stabbed, the people were just like, you know, frozen.

617
00:35:43.800 --> 00:35:46.199
I mean, they didn't nothing. There was no Daniel Benny there,

618
00:35:47.239 --> 00:35:50.199
and you don't see people running to her, you know,

619
00:35:50.239 --> 00:35:54.400
trying to give her some assistance. She's bleeding out, and

620
00:35:55.079 --> 00:35:59.280
it's like, what is wrong? I mean, is it? I mean,

621
00:35:59.480 --> 00:36:03.320
it's like the whole community has been infected. This is like,

622
00:36:04.039 --> 00:36:07.920
you know, a holistic approach to consider all the elements. Here.

623
00:36:08.599 --> 00:36:13.239
A judge that in her thinking, you know, thinks, okay, well,

624
00:36:13.239 --> 00:36:15.360
if this guy signs a note and promises to be back,

625
00:36:15.400 --> 00:36:18.880
I'm gonna I'm gonna trust him, although he's already been.

626
00:36:19.119 --> 00:36:22.719
You know, he's got a he's got a criminal record

627
00:36:22.800 --> 00:36:26.119
longer than both of our arms put together. Yeah, and

628
00:36:26.639 --> 00:36:29.840
you know, even his mother said, hey, you need to

629
00:36:29.880 --> 00:36:33.840
lock this guy up. He's crazy. You know, nobody's paying attention,

630
00:36:34.199 --> 00:36:37.039
and we put him out amongst the masses and he's

631
00:36:37.159 --> 00:36:42.000
killing people. And so it's whether it's illegal immigrants or

632
00:36:43.000 --> 00:36:46.079
you know, crazy people on the streets of America. The

633
00:36:46.159 --> 00:36:47.920
left is okay with that. What's wrong?

634
00:36:49.159 --> 00:36:50.880
Yeah, Well, you know we always here if you see

635
00:36:50.920 --> 00:36:54.079
something say something, Well guess what. Somebody saw something that

636
00:36:54.159 --> 00:36:57.639
said something, namely to Carlos Brown's mother, not you know,

637
00:36:57.800 --> 00:37:00.559
neighbor or somebody who walked by some his mind said look,

638
00:37:00.559 --> 00:37:03.360
my son is crazy. My son is dangerous. Would you

639
00:37:03.400 --> 00:37:05.280
please get him off the street before he hurts somebody?

640
00:37:05.360 --> 00:37:07.360
And guess what he was on the street and only

641
00:37:07.360 --> 00:37:09.559
to hurt somebody, killed somebody, and now you've got a

642
00:37:09.559 --> 00:37:12.079
dead body on top of everything else. And the response

643
00:37:12.119 --> 00:37:14.440
again from Democrats is they kind of shrug their shoulders.

644
00:37:14.440 --> 00:37:17.760
It's no big deal. This is the mayor of Charlotte.

645
00:37:18.039 --> 00:37:22.039
Her response was, we will never arrest our way out

646
00:37:22.079 --> 00:37:25.559
of issues such as homelessness and mental health. Oh yeah,

647
00:37:25.599 --> 00:37:27.280
you can arrest people. You can arrest people who are

648
00:37:27.280 --> 00:37:30.559
who have violent records and people engage in violence, and

649
00:37:30.559 --> 00:37:33.920
people who have fourteen arrests for prior arrest, etc. I mean,

650
00:37:33.960 --> 00:37:35.960
how many times they have to be arrested before somebody says,

651
00:37:36.000 --> 00:37:39.280
you know, you're clearly not understanding the purpose of the

652
00:37:39.400 --> 00:37:42.039
judicial system, which is, if you commit a crime and

653
00:37:42.079 --> 00:37:43.960
you're sent away, you need to think about what you've

654
00:37:44.000 --> 00:37:46.199
done and try to make things better and don't do

655
00:37:46.239 --> 00:37:48.880
it again. Well, guess what happens again and again. We've

656
00:37:48.880 --> 00:37:52.199
had people in New York who've been arrested and released

657
00:37:52.239 --> 00:37:54.920
one hundred times, one hundred and fifty times, two hundred times.

658
00:37:55.119 --> 00:37:57.320
And there's one guy who's arrested and released two hundred

659
00:37:57.320 --> 00:37:58.280
and fifty four times.

660
00:37:58.519 --> 00:38:01.000
I mean, book a world record.

661
00:38:02.039 --> 00:38:03.519
If he doesn't have it, he's competing for it, and

662
00:38:03.519 --> 00:38:05.440
I'm probably get soon, you know, I mean, is it

663
00:38:05.480 --> 00:38:07.599
after three hundred? Is after four? At some point does

664
00:38:07.639 --> 00:38:10.800
some judge say, you clearly are not learning, You've not

665
00:38:10.880 --> 00:38:14.199
taken advantage of the of the teaching moments we've offered you,

666
00:38:14.440 --> 00:38:16.119
and nothing is getting through, So we just need to

667
00:38:16.119 --> 00:38:20.360
lock you up before you go even further from shoplifting

668
00:38:20.360 --> 00:38:23.239
to robbery, from robbery to assault, assault to rape, rape

669
00:38:23.239 --> 00:38:25.360
to homicide where I might be I mean, do we

670
00:38:25.440 --> 00:38:28.000
have to wait until somebody actually kills somebody before we

671
00:38:28.000 --> 00:38:29.719
say all right, well, and I guess it's not trying

672
00:38:29.760 --> 00:38:31.400
to lock the guy up. How about locking him up

673
00:38:31.440 --> 00:38:33.119
before that when we realized this guy is just a

674
00:38:33.280 --> 00:38:35.760
rotten apple. He's not going to get better and he's

675
00:38:35.800 --> 00:38:38.719
not gonna be rehabilitated. The Left doesn't seem to understand

676
00:38:38.719 --> 00:38:40.800
that we have something in this country called career criminals.

677
00:38:41.000 --> 00:38:42.880
You know, you and I are journalists. You're on the radio,

678
00:38:42.920 --> 00:38:45.440
I'm on radio, TV and print, and this is what

679
00:38:45.480 --> 00:38:47.239
we do for a living. Well, guess what these people

680
00:38:47.239 --> 00:38:48.559
when they get up and go to work in the

681
00:38:48.599 --> 00:38:50.920
morning or in the afternoon, whatever it is, they engage

682
00:38:50.960 --> 00:38:53.679
in crime. This is what they do. This is their profession.

683
00:38:54.159 --> 00:38:58.360
And the job of the law enforcement and judicial systems

684
00:38:58.440 --> 00:39:00.400
is to keep these people away from us. Go about

685
00:39:00.400 --> 00:39:03.079
our lives as law abiding citizens, not getting knives in

686
00:39:03.079 --> 00:39:06.519
our necks or bullets in our heads. And and you know,

687
00:39:06.320 --> 00:39:09.360
you raped, the bludgeon assaulted, robbed, et cetera. And I

688
00:39:09.440 --> 00:39:12.400
see this failing across the board around the country, especially

689
00:39:12.639 --> 00:39:16.079
when Democrats are in charge. And we see Democrat mayors, governors,

690
00:39:16.760 --> 00:39:20.360
city council members, prosecutors not doing their jobs and sort

691
00:39:20.360 --> 00:39:22.599
of saying, well, you know, it's a racist system. Whatever.

692
00:39:22.679 --> 00:39:24.199
Let them back on the street, Let them go back

693
00:39:24.239 --> 00:39:26.840
and go back to work, you know, continue their criminal careers.

694
00:39:27.280 --> 00:39:29.480
And you know, some people get robbed, some people get raped,

695
00:39:29.480 --> 00:39:31.159
some people get murdered. We just saw one of them,

696
00:39:31.320 --> 00:39:34.039
with this poor Ukrainian woman who's now you know, in

697
00:39:34.119 --> 00:39:35.199
a casket.

698
00:39:35.320 --> 00:39:38.800
Yeah, exactly, well now now buried. And the thing is

699
00:39:39.159 --> 00:39:42.199
whether it's this mayor of North Carolina or you know,

700
00:39:42.360 --> 00:39:46.679
Governor Prisker in Illinois. Uh, you know, you know, crime happens,

701
00:39:46.719 --> 00:39:50.039
you know, Deroi, crime happens in big cities. You just

702
00:39:50.920 --> 00:39:52.000
you just have to accept that.

703
00:39:52.960 --> 00:39:55.840
Yeah, that's that's that's the very idea. Yeah, it's all

704
00:39:55.880 --> 00:39:57.000
part of the urban experience.

705
00:39:57.079 --> 00:39:57.320
You know.

706
00:39:58.159 --> 00:40:00.800
Look, we had tremendous crime or New York City in

707
00:40:00.840 --> 00:40:06.280
the late nineties, I should say early nineties rather under

708
00:40:06.360 --> 00:40:08.440
David Dinkins. We had something like if I remember their

709
00:40:08.559 --> 00:40:11.280
number correctly, I think it was in nineteen ninety two,

710
00:40:11.400 --> 00:40:14.199
I think it was. We had something like twenty two

711
00:40:14.280 --> 00:40:17.559
or twenty a twenty two hundred homicides, twenty two hundred.

712
00:40:18.039 --> 00:40:21.760
We looked at a man named Rudy Giuliani. He came in

713
00:40:21.880 --> 00:40:25.840
January first, nineteen ninety four, and within about a month

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Fourteen minutes before the top of the r I'm Bill Martinez,

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sized de Roy Murdock, matt and based Fox News contributor

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contributing editor of National Review Online. You know, like Donald

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Trump saying, look, we're going to take care of the border.

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We do something about it. We're going to be intentional.

801
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And it's amazing how things can quickly change. And Rudy

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Giuliani comes into the down says, hey, look at this

803
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is unacceptable. You know you've got to have some you know,

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pride in the city. And the broken windows idea comes about,

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and you know, you started monitoring the little things before

806
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they got big, you know, so you take care of

807
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these gangsters, these criminals, like what happened in North Carolina

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before he gets to the point of murdering somebody. You see,

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look at this guy has a track record just as

810
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you say, criminals will do what criminals do. They do crime.

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That's their job. So okay, we get it. You made

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it loud and clear. So enough's enough. We're going to

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put you away and get you the help that you need.

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If it's mental health, then you're taking care of because

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then that way you're not a danger to the people.

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But you know, the people, unfortunately, the bureaucrats and these

817
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blue states, and you got to put it on the

818
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blue states. They're the ones that consistently do this. And

819
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I just keep shouting from the timbers deroy that you know,

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these citizens in these blue cities have got to come

821
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out in mass I just am shocked. If they're not

822
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at the capital, they're in North Carolina yelling and screaming

823
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that enough is enough.

824
00:46:06.039 --> 00:46:09.239
Yeah, well they should be. And look, this also shows that, Look,

825
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it's important to run or it's important to vote for president,

826
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of important to vote for US Senate and Congress, et cetera.

827
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US House. But you know you've got to vote properly

828
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and correctly and intelligently for mayor for city Council, for

829
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DA many many of these prosecutors are elected sheriff, police chief,

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whatever it might be, and put people in who are

831
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going to take criminals and get them off the street

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and put them behind bars where they belong. And again,

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I think people are getting increasingly sick and tired of it.

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But a lot of people have they think, well, you know,

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the Democrats are nice people, and they mean well and

836
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have big hearts. Let's put them back in. And the

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same people get in are the same folks who let

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let the criminals run loose. You mentioned Giuliani, and I

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lived in New York City all the way from the

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beginning all the way through the end of his mayoralty.

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And as I said, as you mentioned, the broken windows

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theory basically says, if you have small crimes, you go

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after those because very often the people are doing things

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like graffiti, breaking windows, vandalism, jumping over turnstiles on the subways,

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they don't feel like paying the fair. Very often those

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people who do those little crimes are the same guys

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are doing the big crimes. So you get the little

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criminals off the street, guess what, you're also getting the

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big criminals off the streets. So that was something that

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Giuliani did with Police Chief Bill Bratton, a deputy at

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the police department. Wonderful man named Jack may Blues passed

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away unfortunately, and New York Magazine wrote an article about this,

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maybe about a year year and a half into the

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mayoralty of Giuliani, to have a picture of Giuliani and

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Police Chief Bratton walking through Central Park. The headline was

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Mayor Giuliani and Police Chief Bill Bratton find the root

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cause of criminals. Cole Sorry, they find the root cause

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of crime. Colon criminals. And that was absolutely right. The

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root cause of crime is criminals. You know people, Oh,

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you had upbringing, your daddy was me and you who cares?

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You know, people have mean daddies, People have trouble with

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their homes, people have domesticiculties. You know, you figure that out.

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That does not give you the right to go and

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stick a knife in somebody's neck, or go rak somebody,

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or go mow down a schoolyard full of kids. You know,

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if you have had a rough, rough upbringing, we've got

867
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to get a shrink and go talk to shrink about it,

868
00:48:13.599 --> 00:48:16.079
or you know, go write some poetry feel better or whatever.

869
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But that does not give anybody a right to gout

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and start attacking people and maiming them and killing them.

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And the Democrat Party's attitudes, Oh, you had a tough upbringing.

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You know, you have difficult conditions. Your great grandpa is

873
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a slave, whatever, So carry on to your thing, you know,

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just have fun. And you know, as I say this

875
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is that attitude is really cute until people get robbed,

876
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raped and killed. And I hope people understand this when

877
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they go to the polls and vote every elected Democrat

878
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out of office. It's a matter of life and death

879
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at this point.

880
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Well, the Democrats are damaged in many ways. I don't

881
00:48:48.119 --> 00:48:50.360
know if you saw this latest Gallop poll, Dear Roy,

882
00:48:51.039 --> 00:48:56.159
forty of Democrats said they viewed capitalism positively, only for

883
00:48:57.159 --> 00:49:01.239
fifty five percent viewed it negatively. Sixty six percent of

884
00:49:01.280 --> 00:49:04.280
Democrats said they had a positive view of socialism, while

885
00:49:04.360 --> 00:49:08.360
just thirty percent of Democrats had a negative view of socialism.

886
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I mean this tells you you know what's happening in

887
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New York. You know, you see it there at the

888
00:49:13.800 --> 00:49:18.280
ground level with Mandami and this mayoral race. But it's

889
00:49:18.320 --> 00:49:24.920
not only there, it's it's creeping, you know, throughout societies

890
00:49:24.960 --> 00:49:29.559
across the country, and it's tied to the Democratic Party.

891
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They're the contagion, they.

892
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Are, and contagions are very good work for it. I mean,

893
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this is again not your mother and fathers, your grandma

894
00:49:38.679 --> 00:49:41.159
and Grandpa's Democrat Party. This isn't the party that just is. Look,

895
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you know, we want to be good to the little guy,

896
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and maybe that means who areis some taxes and rich

897
00:49:45.280 --> 00:49:47.639
people and have some programs helped the poor. If the

898
00:49:47.760 --> 00:49:50.039
Democrat Party went back to that, I would disagree with

899
00:49:50.079 --> 00:49:51.880
them on things, but you can have a reasonable discussion

900
00:49:51.960 --> 00:49:54.559
people who are operating on that level. This is now

901
00:49:54.599 --> 00:49:57.079
the party of crime. Over and over we see them

902
00:49:57.639 --> 00:50:01.239
coming up with excuses for criminals, voting against measures that

903
00:50:01.280 --> 00:50:05.320
would allow for greater law enforcement. There was the DC

904
00:50:05.440 --> 00:50:08.679
City Council decided to make a whole bunch of crime

905
00:50:08.719 --> 00:50:12.280
and basically decriminalize a whole bunch of crimes and a

906
00:50:12.360 --> 00:50:16.239
chaos and civic mayhem. And there was a vote on

907
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the part of the US House, which of course the

908
00:50:19.519 --> 00:50:22.199
Congress basically can control DC to whatever degree it wants.

909
00:50:22.440 --> 00:50:26.719
The Republicans had a build to restore the former penalties

910
00:50:26.920 --> 00:50:29.239
that existed before the DC City Council came in, and

911
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I think with the exception of only three or four

912
00:50:30.920 --> 00:50:34.599
or five Democrats, all said no, no, let's lower the penalties.

913
00:50:34.679 --> 00:50:37.280
Let me make it easier for people to commit crimes

914
00:50:37.320 --> 00:50:39.639
and get away with it or suffer fewer consequences that

915
00:50:39.719 --> 00:50:42.519
they do. Here in New York City, we saw a

916
00:50:42.599 --> 00:50:45.000
couple of weeks ago the NYPD finally caught up with

917
00:50:45.039 --> 00:50:46.840
a guy who went up to a New York Post

918
00:50:46.920 --> 00:50:51.480
writer Fuctor in the face, and he was arrested the

919
00:50:51.519 --> 00:50:54.400
Alvin Bragg's office, the DA's office here in Manhattan went

920
00:50:54.400 --> 00:50:56.320
to the judge and said, the people of New York

921
00:50:56.400 --> 00:51:00.840
asked for mail of one dollar one dollar okay, So

922
00:51:00.880 --> 00:51:03.440
if you have one dollar bill, you get out of jail, okay.

923
00:51:03.480 --> 00:51:06.440
That sends a very clear message to the criminals, Hey,

924
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we're on your side, We've got your backs, we like

925
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you guys. Keep it up. And this is the Democrat party.

926
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This is the same party you've seen with people like

927
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George Guscon who's unfortunately been voted out of office, and

928
00:51:18.000 --> 00:51:22.239
these other soft on crime das or quote unquote prosecutors

929
00:51:22.400 --> 00:51:27.880
who let criminals run loose. In the case of George Gascon,

930
00:51:28.000 --> 00:51:33.239
when families of victims had parole hearings where they're basically saying,

931
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you know, police keep in jail the person killed our son, wife, daughter, husband,

932
00:51:37.880 --> 00:51:42.079
whatever it might be. He forbade the prosecutors were going

933
00:51:42.119 --> 00:51:43.800
up to the parole board and arguing to keep these

934
00:51:43.800 --> 00:51:46.239
people in bars. They basically sent the criminal files to

935
00:51:46.280 --> 00:51:48.440
the families. He said, Okay, here's the address. You go

936
00:51:48.519 --> 00:51:52.039
argue the case yourself, including looking at the police scene

937
00:51:54.000 --> 00:51:59.159
photos of their relatives, the shots, stabbed, slashed throats or

938
00:51:59.159 --> 00:52:02.000
whatever it might be. I mean, how path sidistick is that?

939
00:52:02.480 --> 00:52:04.920
So again and again and again, you see the Democrat

940
00:52:05.039 --> 00:52:08.199
Party is now the party of crime, the party of criminals.

941
00:52:08.320 --> 00:52:10.480
They like these people, they love these people. They make

942
00:52:10.559 --> 00:52:13.000
life easy for these people. And there's not any more

943
00:52:13.000 --> 00:52:14.920
of the party that is busy trying to keep law

944
00:52:14.920 --> 00:52:18.480
abiding citizens safe and free. There's the party that is

945
00:52:18.559 --> 00:52:22.920
sticking up for criminals, for thugs, and for violent, criminal,

946
00:52:23.159 --> 00:52:26.000
illegal aliens. This is this is this party has become

947
00:52:26.000 --> 00:52:28.880
a true truly has become a clear and present danger

948
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of the American people.

949
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Well in our constitution. And it cracks me up. You know,

950
00:52:34.440 --> 00:52:36.880
even Rashida to leave. You know, she'll talk about, you know,

951
00:52:36.960 --> 00:52:40.039
our democracy out of one side of her mouth. The

952
00:52:40.079 --> 00:52:42.519
other side of the mouth, she's talking about Palestinians here

953
00:52:42.519 --> 00:52:46.800
in America taken over the country. Yeah, wait a minute,

954
00:52:46.840 --> 00:52:50.519
swear that up. I'm sorry, what did I What did

955
00:52:50.559 --> 00:52:52.800
I miss? Was there? You know, a hanging part of

956
00:52:52.840 --> 00:52:58.360
simple somewhere that got lost in translation? Yeah? But the Democrats,

957
00:52:58.599 --> 00:53:02.039
that's who they are in racing and the left is

958
00:53:02.199 --> 00:53:06.280
has taken over, It's hijacked that party. And uh and meanwhile,

959
00:53:06.480 --> 00:53:10.639
you know, uh, you know, you've got these gerrymandered uh

960
00:53:10.679 --> 00:53:14.239
states and uh and districts that are still going to

961
00:53:14.320 --> 00:53:19.360
elect Democrats no matter what. But for everybody else, I mean,

962
00:53:19.679 --> 00:53:23.679
if you've got any chance whatsoever to turn away from

963
00:53:23.800 --> 00:53:27.039
these uh, these blue districts, you have got to do

964
00:53:27.119 --> 00:53:29.840
that in order to save save your cities and to

965
00:53:29.880 --> 00:53:33.760
save your communities, because uh, they are so infected. I mean,

966
00:53:34.039 --> 00:53:37.119
they are one hot mess. They're a danger to themselves,

967
00:53:37.119 --> 00:53:41.599
and they're a danger to us, you know, constitutional loving Americans.

968
00:53:42.320 --> 00:53:44.039
You know, I think the two biggest opportunities we have,

969
00:53:44.079 --> 00:53:46.280
I guess probably the three biggest we have coming up

970
00:53:46.280 --> 00:53:48.719
in November very soon in a couple of months. Uh

971
00:53:48.760 --> 00:53:51.239
here in New York City, to make sure throw on

972
00:53:51.320 --> 00:53:57.079
maumdami are are communists the communist person who Democrats nominated

973
00:53:57.360 --> 00:53:59.400
to be mayor, make sure he's defeated. And I'm doing

974
00:53:59.400 --> 00:54:01.920
what I can here do that New York City in

975
00:54:02.000 --> 00:54:06.679
Virginia win Some Sears is running for governor of Virginia.

976
00:54:06.760 --> 00:54:08.239
I think you do a great job in terms of

977
00:54:08.320 --> 00:54:11.159
law enforcement and many other things. And Jack Chattarelli is

978
00:54:11.199 --> 00:54:14.039
running for governor of New Jersey. He also somebody believes

979
00:54:14.039 --> 00:54:16.760
in law and order, believes in safe streets, believes in

980
00:54:17.159 --> 00:54:20.960
backing the blue as we say, and also in free

981
00:54:21.039 --> 00:54:23.199
markets and economic growth. And it and be very good

982
00:54:23.199 --> 00:54:26.519
to see both that Cheddarelly and win some Seers win

983
00:54:26.599 --> 00:54:30.039
their elections in respectively, New New Jersey and Virginia. I

984
00:54:30.039 --> 00:54:33.079
think that will send a clear message to people that

985
00:54:33.159 --> 00:54:35.440
the voters are sick and tired of the Democrats going

986
00:54:35.440 --> 00:54:38.360
in and just destroying their communities and their states. And

987
00:54:38.440 --> 00:54:39.840
I think will be well on our way to making

988
00:54:40.000 --> 00:54:43.800
Virginia and New Jersey not only great again, but also

989
00:54:43.880 --> 00:54:47.719
safe again, prosperous again, and becoming much more like the

990
00:54:47.760 --> 00:54:50.039
kind of states they should be than the places that

991
00:54:50.440 --> 00:54:53.360
New Jersey, which is in terrible shape, and Virginia, which

992
00:54:53.400 --> 00:54:55.719
has improved a lot under Governor Youngin, and I think

993
00:54:55.719 --> 00:54:59.360
should continue to improve under his lieutenant governor if she

994
00:54:59.400 --> 00:55:02.599
becomes governor, and she becomes governor wins some series of Virginia,

995
00:55:02.599 --> 00:55:03.360
which I hope happens.

996
00:55:04.880 --> 00:55:07.559
Yeah, I mean, look at how far they've come, I

997
00:55:07.559 --> 00:55:10.800
mean with Youngin, and now you've got somebody who is

998
00:55:10.840 --> 00:55:13.840
a backstop and wins some seers. I mean, she she's

999
00:55:13.880 --> 00:55:17.199
an awesome candidate. She was a great lieutenant governor, and

1000
00:55:17.840 --> 00:55:20.480
you know she can hit the ground running and maintain

1001
00:55:20.639 --> 00:55:26.039
these principles that parents so loved, you know, as parents

1002
00:55:26.039 --> 00:55:29.840
there in Virginia, you know we're taking back their schools, right.

1003
00:55:31.039 --> 00:55:32.559
Yeah. Well that was one of the big issues that

1004
00:55:33.039 --> 00:55:35.800
got Glenn young get into the governorship in the first place,

1005
00:55:36.239 --> 00:55:38.679
is you had so many of these parents showing up

1006
00:55:38.719 --> 00:55:41.119
at school board meetings because the kids are being put

1007
00:55:41.159 --> 00:55:45.159
through critical race theory, through gender studies. You had an

1008
00:55:45.199 --> 00:55:48.480
awful case of a little girl and I think she

1009
00:55:48.559 --> 00:55:51.000
was probably junior high school. I think it was goes

1010
00:55:51.079 --> 00:55:56.119
to the ladies room and some transgender male who became male,

1011
00:55:56.320 --> 00:56:00.239
thought he was a girl whatever, basically raped her. They're

1012
00:56:00.239 --> 00:56:02.679
complained at the school board. He got arrested. They put

1013
00:56:02.719 --> 00:56:06.039
that that transgender boy who said he was a girl

1014
00:56:06.079 --> 00:56:10.320
into another school and again he molested somebody else. Yes, again,

1015
00:56:10.360 --> 00:56:12.199
this isn't just a matter of og. I don't like

1016
00:56:12.480 --> 00:56:15.119
pronouns or you know, I don't want to call little

1017
00:56:15.159 --> 00:56:16.960
Bobby Barbara. I want to call him Bobby. I mean,

1018
00:56:17.000 --> 00:56:19.079
that's bad enough. But we're talking about the girls being

1019
00:56:19.079 --> 00:56:22.679
attacked and raped or molested. And and again, rather than

1020
00:56:23.239 --> 00:56:25.280
a kid came out out of school and you know,

1021
00:56:25.360 --> 00:56:27.559
just basically expel him, they thought, as well, let's give

1022
00:56:27.599 --> 00:56:29.480
him another chance, put him somewhere else, and guess what

1023
00:56:29.599 --> 00:56:30.880
he got into the chance, and he blew it in

1024
00:56:30.960 --> 00:56:33.519
the second time. And this is this is a response

1025
00:56:33.559 --> 00:56:35.599
that left is just you know, let let the mayhem

1026
00:56:35.639 --> 00:56:39.159
in disorder fly. And and we're seeing this from coast

1027
00:56:39.199 --> 00:56:41.760
to coast and it has to stop, because you know,

1028
00:56:41.800 --> 00:56:44.239
people are getting attacked, people are getting injured, people are

1029
00:56:44.239 --> 00:56:46.840
getting wounded, people a getting killed, and it needs to stop,

1030
00:56:46.880 --> 00:56:47.760
and me stop right now.

1031
00:56:48.199 --> 00:56:52.920
Well, to your point, de Roy, they're consistent, you know,

1032
00:56:53.599 --> 00:56:54.920
sadly dangerously.

1033
00:56:56.360 --> 00:56:58.880
So yeah, and you know, there are not a lot

1034
00:56:58.920 --> 00:57:02.840
of the very modern conservative Democrats can point to who say,

1035
00:57:02.960 --> 00:57:05.800
you know, they're not part of this this big movement.

1036
00:57:06.360 --> 00:57:09.039
To her credit, the mayor of Washington, d C. Has

1037
00:57:09.239 --> 00:57:12.039
applauded President Trump putting the National Guard troops on the

1038
00:57:12.079 --> 00:57:14.639
streets of DC and been bringing the crime rate down,

1039
00:57:14.639 --> 00:57:17.079
bringing homicide rate down, bringing the carjacking right down by

1040
00:57:17.079 --> 00:57:19.360
eighty three percent or eighty seven percent, something like this.

1041
00:57:20.679 --> 00:57:23.840
Kevin Newsom, I think, basically to protect his DARRIERA said

1042
00:57:23.840 --> 00:57:26.760
he's going to roll out cops to fight crime because

1043
00:57:26.760 --> 00:57:28.760
I guess he doesn't want to have the National Guard

1044
00:57:29.159 --> 00:57:31.719
come and do it and embarrass him. So I don't

1045
00:57:31.760 --> 00:57:33.519
think he's sincere. I mean, he's basically doing this for

1046
00:57:33.559 --> 00:57:35.360
political partisan purpose.

1047
00:57:36.440 --> 00:57:38.880
He's all over the place, he's got it on mess.

1048
00:57:39.360 --> 00:57:41.519
But other than those two, I can't think of any

1049
00:57:41.559 --> 00:57:43.280
Democrat whos who says, yeah, we need to fight the

1050
00:57:43.280 --> 00:57:45.719
criminals and lock them up and keep people safe. Their

1051
00:57:45.719 --> 00:57:49.679
attitude is, you know, the justice system is unfair, and

1052
00:57:49.760 --> 00:57:53.360
it's it's it targets minorities, and it's racist and on

1053
00:57:53.400 --> 00:57:55.400
and on, and they just want to let the criminals

1054
00:57:55.880 --> 00:57:58.480
run loose and do their thing, and if the American

1055
00:57:58.480 --> 00:58:03.280
people get robbed, maimed or killed, well, it's just their

1056
00:58:03.320 --> 00:58:06.000
problem and that's too bad for them, you know. That's yeah,

1057
00:58:07.119 --> 00:58:08.760
just don't care about these people.

1058
00:58:08.760 --> 00:58:11.519
It's just life in the big city derying, you know.

1059
00:58:11.760 --> 00:58:15.559
Yeah. We just have it, yeah, experience.

1060
00:58:16.119 --> 00:58:20.119
Yeah, gotta leave it there. Manhattan based Fox News contributor,

1061
00:58:20.119 --> 00:58:23.400
contributing editor of National Review Online. Thanks to Roy. Take care,

1062
00:58:23.440 --> 00:58:24.920
have a great day, you bet Bill, good to talk

1063
00:58:24.920 --> 00:58:25.079
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Getting America back on track.

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Bill Martinez, Live.

1101
01:00:40.239 --> 01:00:42.239
Well, good morning, six minutes after the top of the

1102
01:00:42.320 --> 01:00:45.360
are Bill Martinez here along with Grover Norquish from at

1103
01:00:45.480 --> 01:00:46.800
our Good morning, Grover, how are you?

1104
01:00:47.119 --> 01:00:48.519
Good morning? Be all doing well?

1105
01:00:49.039 --> 01:00:52.000
Well, all things considered? Rough day here, I mean deal

1106
01:00:52.280 --> 01:00:57.920
dealing with the Charlie Kirk assassination. You know, political violence

1107
01:00:58.000 --> 01:01:01.000
is never acceptable, but it is the history of man.

1108
01:01:00.840 --> 01:01:01.119
Is it not.

1109
01:01:02.760 --> 01:01:07.920
Sadly, yes, and hopefully we'll know more so.

1110
01:01:08.039 --> 01:01:13.000
Yes. Well. The thing is is that, you know, there's

1111
01:01:13.039 --> 01:01:17.199
always been that cancel culture, and it's had its way

1112
01:01:17.679 --> 01:01:20.960
in the recent decade of canceling and doing everything it

1113
01:01:21.079 --> 01:01:23.159
can to infringe upon our first Amendment.

1114
01:01:23.239 --> 01:01:23.440
Right.

1115
01:01:23.920 --> 01:01:27.679
But this again goes with our constitution, the idea that life,

1116
01:01:27.760 --> 01:01:31.320
liberty and the pursuit of happiness is not guaranteed, but

1117
01:01:31.320 --> 01:01:32.719
that we have to fight for it. Right.

1118
01:01:34.239 --> 01:01:39.519
There was a study recently at Harvard where the student said, oh, yeah,

1119
01:01:39.519 --> 01:01:41.559
everybody should be able to come and speak at Harvard,

1120
01:01:41.800 --> 01:01:43.679
but anyone who wants to should be able to shout

1121
01:01:43.719 --> 01:01:49.679
them down. Okay, got it half.

1122
01:01:49.559 --> 01:01:52.519
Right, Yes, Well, and the thing is what happens is

1123
01:01:52.559 --> 01:01:56.119
that we realize outside of that, but you know, practically,

1124
01:01:56.159 --> 01:01:58.320
when we realize, when we're able to hear the other

1125
01:01:58.360 --> 01:02:04.119
person's side, we're harder. For that reason, and the brilliance

1126
01:02:04.159 --> 01:02:08.760
of our constitution to allow for free speech to take

1127
01:02:08.800 --> 01:02:12.639
place in the public square is critical to the survival

1128
01:02:13.159 --> 01:02:17.519
of a unique form of government that had really never

1129
01:02:17.639 --> 01:02:22.480
been tried before. May theoretically thrown out there considered, but they, oh, no, no, no,

1130
01:02:22.480 --> 01:02:24.239
I will never know work. You can't put the power

1131
01:02:24.239 --> 01:02:25.360
in the people's hands. Right.

1132
01:02:27.039 --> 01:02:28.960
We have a meeting in DC at the Americans for

1133
01:02:29.039 --> 01:02:32.679
Tax Reform, about one hundred people get together people run

1134
01:02:32.719 --> 01:02:38.039
different organizations every Wednesday, and we've had at that meeting

1135
01:02:38.559 --> 01:02:41.760
Ralph Nader because some things. Ralph Nator's for term limits

1136
01:02:41.760 --> 01:02:44.960
and transparency, so we could talk to him about that.

1137
01:02:45.840 --> 01:02:48.199
But then Al Gore wanted to come and talk to

1138
01:02:48.280 --> 01:02:52.480
us global warming and the theory that if we talk

1139
01:02:52.639 --> 01:02:56.079
loudly enough and slowly enough we might get it. And

1140
01:02:56.880 --> 01:02:59.159
one or two people said, why did you have Gore?

1141
01:02:59.280 --> 01:03:05.280
But everybody at the meeting said, we learned what he's thinking,

1142
01:03:06.000 --> 01:03:09.119
why he says what he says, to what depth he

1143
01:03:09.280 --> 01:03:13.480
does or doesn't understand things, And we are smarter and

1144
01:03:13.679 --> 01:03:16.559
better for listening to him. Not not that he convinced

1145
01:03:16.639 --> 01:03:18.960
us that we should all go back to the Middle

1146
01:03:18.960 --> 01:03:22.559
Ages and not have energy. But you need to know

1147
01:03:23.320 --> 01:03:26.599
the people that you argue with. You kind of understand

1148
01:03:26.599 --> 01:03:29.519
the people you agree with already, right, the right exactly.

1149
01:03:29.719 --> 01:03:32.760
You don't wonder why they're for free markets. You know

1150
01:03:32.800 --> 01:03:35.199
why they're for free markets. If the other guys who

1151
01:03:35.840 --> 01:03:38.360
want price controls, you go, You're don't have to explain

1152
01:03:38.400 --> 01:03:42.000
this to me. What do you see in that? We

1153
01:03:42.079 --> 01:03:45.840
need to learn from our critics, from people we disagree with,

1154
01:03:46.239 --> 01:03:48.960
and that means listening to It doesn't mean agreeing. It's

1155
01:03:49.000 --> 01:03:51.480
not like, well, if you talk to somebody somehow you

1156
01:03:51.480 --> 01:03:54.239
have to give up half of your brain to you know,

1157
01:03:54.280 --> 01:03:57.480
to pretend to agree with them. No, right, you learn

1158
01:03:57.519 --> 01:03:58.119
from them.

1159
01:03:58.519 --> 01:04:01.280
Yeah. One of my good friends, Praeger, we worked together

1160
01:04:01.280 --> 01:04:06.159
in Los Angeles. One of his compelling questions was always

1161
01:04:06.400 --> 01:04:10.159
help me understand. Yeah, And I took that from him.

1162
01:04:10.199 --> 01:04:12.960
I said, you know that is I appreciate that heart

1163
01:04:13.360 --> 01:04:16.239
because sometimes you run into, you know, people that you

1164
01:04:16.400 --> 01:04:20.320
just I'm sorry, I don't understand, help me understand. I'm

1165
01:04:20.360 --> 01:04:22.880
going to listen, and I want to hear their side

1166
01:04:22.920 --> 01:04:24.840
of it. It's almost like, you know, Greger, I thought,

1167
01:04:25.280 --> 01:04:30.639
when Donald Trump asked Barack Obama why he hadn't talked

1168
01:04:30.639 --> 01:04:34.960
to Kim John Unn in eight years, he says, why

1169
01:04:35.000 --> 01:04:38.400
haven't you talked to him? You know, at least find

1170
01:04:38.400 --> 01:04:40.599
out and what is Donald Trump? Donald Trump? You know,

1171
01:04:40.760 --> 01:04:44.679
almost right away in his first administration went to meet

1172
01:04:44.840 --> 01:04:49.119
with the North Korean hermit to kind of get get

1173
01:04:49.159 --> 01:04:51.760
some understanding who in what he was dealing with.

1174
01:04:51.920 --> 01:04:57.840
Right there is much to be learned. And sometimes Conservatives

1175
01:04:58.199 --> 01:05:02.159
attack a Republican leader or who reaches out to ask

1176
01:05:02.239 --> 01:05:06.559
questions and because they're quite sure that's going to go

1177
01:05:06.599 --> 01:05:10.440
into that room and sell them out. And we need

1178
01:05:10.440 --> 01:05:13.239
to be smart enough and tough enough ourselves to say no,

1179
01:05:13.920 --> 01:05:16.480
I can go into a room with somebody I disagree

1180
01:05:16.519 --> 01:05:19.800
with and walk out and still disagree with them, but

1181
01:05:20.000 --> 01:05:23.760
I've at least tried to make them understand why I

1182
01:05:23.880 --> 01:05:29.039
do what I do, and also to find out what

1183
01:05:29.320 --> 01:05:32.679
moves them. I mean, what is it that they in

1184
01:05:32.800 --> 01:05:35.920
our in ourgue that they don't get that, they don't

1185
01:05:36.000 --> 01:05:39.719
understand why do they see the world differently? There's They're

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not not everybody on the left is crazy. I want

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to school with some people who were, but all some

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of them have real reasons or life experiences that they

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extrapolate from right and you need to understand.

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That right and in the process, And that's an excellent point.

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People come from, you know, from the you know position

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to approach policy from you know, different experiences, and it's critical.

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The other thing is is that maybe after a meeting

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you realize, you know what, Grover's not much different than me.

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You know, God, he wears pants, I wear pants. You know,

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he's got a jacket. I wear jacket. You know, we're humanoids.

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We've got family, we've got kids, we have that, and

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we have that in common. And hopefully at the end

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of the day, you know, we say we say, hey,

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you know what, we love this country, we love the

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ideals of this country. We may approach policy from a

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different angle. That's okay, and uh and of course you

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know that's that sounds a bit utopian because we know

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that that doesn't exist. In some cases, it does, and

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I want to promote that that aspect of our discourse,

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as opposed to being so ideologically fixed and siloed that

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you know what, I don't care what kind of pants

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Grovery wears or what jacket he wears. I just hate

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the guy.

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Yeah, well there's a There was a group put together

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of left wing journalists maybe teen twenty, and they met

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with Pelosi, and they met with Schumer, and I think

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the third person they met with was me and sort

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of asking why I do what I do and fielding

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all questions is an hour long, you know, interview with

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a bunch of press people. And they all went back

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and wrote basically, well, he's not completely crazy, and he's

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not a jerk, and he's not mean, and so they

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sort of took the level of vitriol down a bit.

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And I still, you know, people just it's not like

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I convinced them all to be serious about economic growth

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and so on, but they at least have a sense

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of why I do what I do, and I get

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01:07:48.280 --> 01:07:52.039
more serious calls about why is this happening? What do

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you think about that? It pays for us to be

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open to them as well as us to listen listen

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to them, But when they have questions, our answer shouldn't

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be I don't want to talk to you. You'll probably

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misquote met be there talk to me.

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Well, And I think that's what Charlie Kirk did. Charlie

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Kirk went into the lions then, so to speak, right,

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I mean in adversarial areas that hear these institutions and

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college campuses have been hijacked by the left where no,

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you know, adversarial viewpoint was welcomed. You were going to

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be canceled in this case murdered. But you know, but

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he he, he made it his mission to go ahead.

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And and the thing is, just like you you're suggesting, Grover,

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is that in conversation exchange of ideas, you begin to

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see the person's heart that they're not means spirited. And

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you know what some of the people and I saw

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some of the celebration which was discussing it's a bad

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commentary on where people are in this country celebrating the

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assassination of Charlie Kirk. And I think that that made

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me sad, made sad for them because it really stifles

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I think it stifles people's maturity and their potential contribution

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to a better society.

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Well, and in all fairness to both sides, you don't

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have liberals on campus being shouted down. You have conservatives

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on campus being shouted down. Charlton Heston went to Brandeis

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and they shouted him down and tried to keep them

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from from speaking. I don't you know some of the

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people would run for president on the Communist Party. Angela

1253
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Davis speaking on campus. No conservatives out there saying, don't

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go see her, don't listen to her. I think that

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the conservatives have got that piece of it down, not

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to try and shout down or shut down the other

1257
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people's pointed. And I think that's healthy.

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Welcome back. Just about nineteen minutes after the top of

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the R right now, I'm Bill Martinez's Grover Norquist, President

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of Americans for Tax Reform, America's pre EMINENTVE center right

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expert on taxes. To wrap up, I guess the idea

1344
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of our first Amendment right, A precious amendment to our

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constitution the ability to speak freely. It intellectualizes society and

1346
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we need to maintain that at whatever cost. And you know,

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Charlie Kirk, as an example, paid the ultimate price for

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that freedom. And the best way to honor, I believe Charlie,

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and not only Charlie, but over a million Americans who

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01:15:20.720 --> 01:15:24.720
died for our flag and died for our constitution is

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01:15:23.840 --> 01:15:28.520
to is to preserve it and understand that. Yeah, it may,

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you know, we may be called to pay the ultimate price,

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01:15:32.600 --> 01:15:35.079
and you know, the fight continues, right Grover.

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01:15:36.039 --> 01:15:38.319
Absolutely, we have a lot of work to do, but

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I think we're heading in the right direction and we're

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beginning to get the government to lighten up a little

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01:15:45.600 --> 01:15:49.319
bit at the federal level. The deregulation, not just the

1358
01:15:49.359 --> 01:15:54.479
tax cuts, the big beautiful bell President Trump's very important,

1359
01:15:54.920 --> 01:15:59.359
very key to growth, but regulations can be every bit

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as damaged exactly the economy and people's jobs. And I

1361
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mean people died because the Food and Drug Administration delayed

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01:16:08.359 --> 01:16:14.479
some of those anti cholesterol drugs because they couldn't be

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bothered to do it quickly. We didn't get cell phones

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for many years after the technology was available because of

1365
01:16:23.520 --> 01:16:30.520
the FCC's regulation. The cost of transporting goods and services

1366
01:16:30.960 --> 01:16:35.680
across the country because of the ICC, the Interstate Commerce Commissioner,

1367
01:16:35.680 --> 01:16:41.439
which regulated trucking at railroads and the airlines and so on,

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01:16:41.640 --> 01:16:46.079
that all those When we deregulated all of those, and

1369
01:16:46.119 --> 01:16:49.079
by the way, that was with Jimmy Carter's support, he

1370
01:16:49.199 --> 01:16:53.439
had bipartisan support for that and ended all of that

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price fixing. The costs of transportation dropped by twenty percent.

1372
01:16:59.239 --> 01:17:02.560
It was a year, huge reduction in the cost for

1373
01:17:02.680 --> 01:17:07.119
people's lives for just getting something to the grocery store.

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Huge steps for it. Those regulations are silent killers of jobs.

1375
01:17:13.319 --> 01:17:15.760
Exactly well, and it's it's in play today. I mean,

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look what's happening in Hawaii and Los Angeles and the recovery.

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You know, regulations is bogging all that stuff down. Even

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though the politician said, oh no, we're gonna get out

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of the way, We're gonna get no, it's people are

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still trying to you know, get you know, the proper

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licensing in order to rebuild, whether it's in Maui or

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in Los Angeles as well.

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Well, why in the world would you make it difficult

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for somebody to rebuild their house? What what is it,

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You're what are they thinking.

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Well, and it's tough enough as it is, because you're

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doing it with today's money versus some of these homes

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that were built decades decades ago. Uh, you know, at

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a fraction of the costs that it would cause today.

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And instead of doing everything you can to make it

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easy for them to get back and to rebuild their homes,

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because that's what that's what makes for a vibrant society,

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is home ownership. And you know, it's it's the wheels

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of the economy rolling along. But you know, unfortunately there's

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other antithical interests that do not support that. You know,

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even though like in Hawaii, the mayor was quick to say,

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we're not going to allow outside people to come in. Well,

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the outside people have to come in because the people

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who are there can't afford it because of all these

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all these additional cost and inflation that are on. You know,

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they're making a burden for people to rebuild. Grover.

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The advantage of the fifty states of federalism is that

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we don't have to tell California they're doing it wrong.

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Every day. People leaving California tell the politicians in California.

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I'd rather be in Arizona. I'd rather be in Texas.

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I'd rather be in Tennessee. I'd rather be in Florida,

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even though the weather in California is so wonderful. Yes,

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you can even tax people away from great weather.

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Well, well, yeah, I remember the politicians. I remember at

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least twenty years ago, the politicians Sacramento said, well, people

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never leave because you know, the environment, the climate here

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01:19:20.359 --> 01:19:23.840
is just so wonderful. They'll never leave, so they thought

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until they're you know, but you don't want to stand

1414
01:19:26.880 --> 01:19:29.520
at the exit doors California. You're gonna get run over

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by all the U haul trucks, you know, scrambling out

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of town. We got about five minutes left and I

1417
01:19:33.920 --> 01:19:36.159
went to you know, you mentioned the big beautiful bill,

1418
01:19:36.560 --> 01:19:40.960
and you know July is the no tax on tips

1419
01:19:41.039 --> 01:19:45.439
provision was. It was signed in July. And so a

1420
01:19:45.479 --> 01:19:47.800
lot of people think that this applies to, you know,

1421
01:19:47.880 --> 01:19:51.359
just a restaurant, wait staff, bartenders and similar professionals, which

1422
01:19:51.399 --> 01:19:53.399
is true. But it's more than that, isn't it.

1423
01:19:54.399 --> 01:19:58.479
Oh, I've got a list of two pages of different

1424
01:19:58.800 --> 01:20:01.600
I couldn't read it in five minutes, of all of

1425
01:20:01.720 --> 01:20:06.800
the various businesses as you said, bartenders and wait staff, bakers,

1426
01:20:07.359 --> 01:20:12.119
people who take care of pets, people who do your fingernails,

1427
01:20:12.560 --> 01:20:16.960
baggage handlers, concierge people, guys at hotels all over the hotels,

1428
01:20:17.439 --> 01:20:23.239
home electricians, plumbers, locksmiths, roadside assistance workers. I know I

1429
01:20:23.239 --> 01:20:27.039
would pay a big y, but it helped me when

1430
01:20:27.039 --> 01:20:29.840
I'm stuck on the side of the road. Disc jockeys,

1431
01:20:30.680 --> 01:20:33.840
you know, not radio evidently, but disc jockeys in person.

1432
01:20:35.279 --> 01:20:41.560
It assures that it is one thing after another. Tutors

1433
01:20:41.600 --> 01:20:49.760
for your children, nanny's and babysitters, a cosmetologist, hairstylists, eyebrown threaders.

1434
01:20:50.279 --> 01:20:54.000
It is. It is a list of people who do

1435
01:20:54.079 --> 01:20:58.640
a very personal service. And there's all the people give

1436
01:20:58.640 --> 01:21:02.319
you a ride on uber lyft in taxing, there's all

1437
01:21:02.359 --> 01:21:05.039
the difference between the way you get treated by some

1438
01:21:05.079 --> 01:21:08.800
people who work in a cab or a bartender, and

1439
01:21:08.880 --> 01:21:11.239
some people do a really great job, and you want

1440
01:21:11.239 --> 01:21:15.279
to really say thank you very much, and thank you

1441
01:21:15.439 --> 01:21:21.479
is nice, but a tip uh is greatly appreciated, and

1442
01:21:21.960 --> 01:21:24.159
you want people to be able to have that and

1443
01:21:24.239 --> 01:21:26.840
not have the government step in and go I'm taking

1444
01:21:26.840 --> 01:21:28.439
a piece of this exactly.

1445
01:21:28.520 --> 01:21:29.680
I got to tell you, I feel a little bit

1446
01:21:29.680 --> 01:21:32.800
guilty because I don't know that I've ever tipped my

1447
01:21:32.880 --> 01:21:37.159
plumber or an electrician or an HVAC professional.

1448
01:21:38.439 --> 01:21:40.199
Yeah, there are a number of things there. I guess

1449
01:21:40.199 --> 01:21:43.800
part of it is, you know, sometimes there's well there's

1450
01:21:43.840 --> 01:21:48.680
there's work, and then there's work with the extra effort

1451
01:21:48.720 --> 01:21:52.319
that you really want to know and and so that

1452
01:21:53.079 --> 01:21:58.239
you know, tour guides, travel guides, UH, sports and recreation instructors,

1453
01:21:59.199 --> 01:22:02.960
bus driver, home movers. I mean, there are lots of

1454
01:22:03.680 --> 01:22:07.439
jobs that there's an opportunity for the person working to

1455
01:22:07.560 --> 01:22:12.039
do something extra and more and better and that you

1456
01:22:12.199 --> 01:22:14.079
that really matters to you, and you want to be

1457
01:22:14.079 --> 01:22:17.960
able to say thank you in a serious way. Not

1458
01:22:18.039 --> 01:22:19.079
all jobs and.

1459
01:22:19.039 --> 01:22:20.720
You do and you do that, and you do that

1460
01:22:20.800 --> 01:22:23.880
tax free. That that's that's a nice bonus there, right

1461
01:22:23.920 --> 01:22:26.760
for them, even if it is an HVAC professional that's

1462
01:22:26.920 --> 01:22:30.079
gone above and beyond for you. But no, that's good

1463
01:22:30.079 --> 01:22:34.720
that it it includes them. And you mentioned entertainers. You know,

1464
01:22:34.840 --> 01:22:37.479
these these people that will be out there and in

1465
01:22:37.520 --> 01:22:41.560
the subways with their violin case or guitar case opened

1466
01:22:41.600 --> 01:22:44.399
up and you know, people throwing in change in there.

1467
01:22:44.439 --> 01:22:46.800
But they all tax free. I'm not sure they were

1468
01:22:46.840 --> 01:22:49.600
reporting their taxes anyway on that, but but now they

1469
01:22:49.640 --> 01:22:51.159
can do so without guilt.

1470
01:22:51.760 --> 01:22:57.159
Tailor's eyebrow. I did the eyebrow threading. But tattoo artists, Yeah,

1471
01:22:57.520 --> 01:23:01.399
I've been thinking about a tattoo. Maybe you know that

1472
01:23:01.960 --> 01:23:04.039
now that the tips would be tax free.

1473
01:23:04.800 --> 01:23:07.399
Well, I think maybe surgeons might say, okay, part of

1474
01:23:07.399 --> 01:23:09.760
my bill is it's it's X. But then there's going

1475
01:23:09.800 --> 01:23:11.560
to be a tip line available, Like when you go

1476
01:23:11.600 --> 01:23:13.920
to a restaurant, right, you get your bill and they

1477
01:23:13.920 --> 01:23:16.640
have that tip line guilt line there that you know

1478
01:23:17.039 --> 01:23:19.439
you can't leave it open. You know, you feel like, hey,

1479
01:23:19.479 --> 01:23:21.760
maybe I'm I'm a chump here, I didn't put a

1480
01:23:21.800 --> 01:23:23.079
dollar amount in there or something.

1481
01:23:24.239 --> 01:23:28.680
This is one more way of reducing the tax burden,

1482
01:23:28.840 --> 01:23:32.159
making it easier for people to interact. You don't want

1483
01:23:32.199 --> 01:23:35.840
the government the i R S in between every interaction

1484
01:23:36.279 --> 01:23:41.079
that Americans have with other Americans. And we want to

1485
01:23:41.079 --> 01:23:43.359
get rid of the death tax because we just don't

1486
01:23:43.399 --> 01:23:47.000
want some guy standing between a parent that passes away

1487
01:23:47.000 --> 01:23:51.800
and their children and going mine. Yes, so get the

1488
01:23:51.840 --> 01:23:54.439
government to back off a little bit, needs to do

1489
01:23:54.520 --> 01:23:56.760
what it needs to do. But it doesn't need to

1490
01:23:56.760 --> 01:23:58.720
spend as much and it doesn't need to take as

1491
01:23:58.800 --> 01:23:59.880
much as it's doing now.

1492
01:24:00.439 --> 01:24:02.880
Well, Grover, as you said, I think we're positioned in

1493
01:24:02.920 --> 01:24:05.760
a way outside of some of the emotional stuff that

1494
01:24:05.800 --> 01:24:08.600
we're dealing with, you know, the practical stuff that Donald

1495
01:24:08.640 --> 01:24:11.479
Trump and this administration is doing on our behalf the

1496
01:24:11.479 --> 01:24:15.520
big beautiful bill. And again, Congress. The onus is on

1497
01:24:15.600 --> 01:24:18.199
Congress right now to make sure that they're in alignment

1498
01:24:18.319 --> 01:24:22.119
with this agenda with this administration, because the people voted

1499
01:24:22.159 --> 01:24:25.119
loud and clear. They weren't you know, they weren't dubious

1500
01:24:25.159 --> 01:24:26.359
about what they wanted, right.

1501
01:24:27.279 --> 01:24:29.039
No, I think they are very clear about it. And

1502
01:24:30.039 --> 01:24:32.439
you can look at the presidential vote and go I

1503
01:24:32.600 --> 01:24:36.119
was close. Look at the state votes, okay, Look at

1504
01:24:36.159 --> 01:24:39.359
who the governors are, Look at who the state legislators are.

1505
01:24:39.760 --> 01:24:43.720
Look at where people are moving. Okay, because if you

1506
01:24:43.800 --> 01:24:47.239
live in Massachusetts, your vote doesn't really matter very much

1507
01:24:47.359 --> 01:24:50.039
because you're just overwhelmed by the left wing guys who

1508
01:24:50.159 --> 01:24:55.039
vote there. People leave Massachusetts, they leave New York, they

1509
01:24:55.199 --> 01:25:01.640
leave California and move. So exit is a strategy. Exit

1510
01:25:02.199 --> 01:25:05.319
is a vote, and every time someone moves to Tennessee

1511
01:25:05.479 --> 01:25:08.039
because they have no income tax and they do keep

1512
01:25:08.119 --> 01:25:12.439
taxes and regulations down, and they have people who work

1513
01:25:12.520 --> 01:25:15.039
for a living. The unions can't extort them. They have

1514
01:25:15.199 --> 01:25:20.600
right to work for workers. People move to those states,

1515
01:25:20.960 --> 01:25:25.439
and in the next election cycle, five electoral votes five

1516
01:25:25.479 --> 01:25:29.760
congressional districts are moving into Texas away from California. They're

1517
01:25:30.119 --> 01:25:36.439
leaving Tech, leaving New York, and five are moving into Florida,

1518
01:25:36.479 --> 01:25:40.239
They're moving into Arizona. So the political cloud in the

1519
01:25:40.279 --> 01:25:44.880
country moves with those people who are moving, and we

1520
01:25:44.960 --> 01:25:50.439
will see it easier for Republican candidates to win because

1521
01:25:50.640 --> 01:25:54.960
the states that are governed by Republicans with lower taxes

1522
01:25:54.960 --> 01:25:59.000
and less regulation and school choice and letting working men

1523
01:25:59.039 --> 01:26:00.760
and women keep their own money and not have the

1524
01:26:00.840 --> 01:26:04.560
unions take union dues out of them, out of their paychecks.

1525
01:26:05.000 --> 01:26:08.159
People like that. They move there and they vote there,

1526
01:26:08.560 --> 01:26:12.319
and so more votes are moving into red states.

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He's the president of Americans for Tax or Former America's

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pre eminent center right expert on taxes. He's the one

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and only Grover and Arquist. Grover, thank you, appreciate it.

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for Patriots, Well, good.

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Morning and welcome back Bill Martinez.

1586
01:29:31.039 --> 01:29:31.239
Here.

1587
01:29:31.840 --> 01:29:34.920
We're going to take a little peek behind the scenes, okay,

1588
01:29:35.720 --> 01:29:38.960
and learn how animals can suffer in show business. If

1589
01:29:38.960 --> 01:29:41.000
you've ever seen an elephant, tiger, or even a dog

1590
01:29:41.000 --> 01:29:43.239
in a movie or TV show and wonder what their

1591
01:29:43.279 --> 01:29:46.520
life is like when cameras aren't rolling, well, you're going

1592
01:29:46.600 --> 01:29:49.000
to be interested in this, contrary to what audiences might

1593
01:29:49.000 --> 01:29:52.800
assume animals used in film and TV often suffer in

1594
01:29:52.960 --> 01:29:56.800
secret behind the scenes, including in training that consists of

1595
01:29:56.840 --> 01:30:01.520
physical punishment, psychological and even food deprivation. And when they're

1596
01:30:01.560 --> 01:30:04.199
not being hauled under the bright lights of a chaotic

1597
01:30:04.239 --> 01:30:07.399
film or TV set, animals who appear on screen have

1598
01:30:07.439 --> 01:30:11.720
been found living in deplorable holding conditions. You be shocked,

1599
01:30:12.039 --> 01:30:14.680
and many denied much more space than the size of

1600
01:30:14.720 --> 01:30:18.319
their bodies, needed, veterinary care, a chance to engage in

1601
01:30:18.399 --> 01:30:23.720
natural behaviors, or any semblance of covered whatsoever. Well, there

1602
01:30:23.720 --> 01:30:26.960
are some easy solutions these days, and PETA is getting

1603
01:30:27.039 --> 01:30:29.800
them into the mainstream film industry. And here to tell

1604
01:30:29.840 --> 01:30:32.399
us more about it is the senior vice president of PETA,

1605
01:30:32.960 --> 01:30:35.560
Lisa Lang. Lisa, welcome, Michelle. Good to have you with us.

1606
01:30:36.159 --> 01:30:37.399
Thanks so much for having me on.

1607
01:30:37.960 --> 01:30:42.479
All right, let's help our audience understand you know, what

1608
01:30:42.520 --> 01:30:45.680
you found we touched on, you know, giving them a

1609
01:30:45.720 --> 01:30:49.319
peak of what happens behind the scenes regarding animals used

1610
01:30:49.359 --> 01:30:51.399
for film and TV. Tell us more.

1611
01:30:52.239 --> 01:30:54.960
Yeah, it's tricky because the more people know about animals,

1612
01:30:54.960 --> 01:30:57.960
they like seeing films and television programs about them, and

1613
01:30:58.039 --> 01:31:03.359
so we're working constantly with television showrunners and directors and

1614
01:31:03.399 --> 01:31:05.520
anyone who will listen to us about the abuse that

1615
01:31:05.560 --> 01:31:08.920
we've uncovered behind the scenes. We've done several investigations at

1616
01:31:08.920 --> 01:31:12.159
training compounds and we see the same thing over and

1617
01:31:12.199 --> 01:31:15.760
over again. Food deprivation, as you mentioned, is used a

1618
01:31:15.760 --> 01:31:18.439
lot with cats specifically. I think anyone who has cats

1619
01:31:18.479 --> 01:31:21.039
and nosecats knows that they really kind of only want

1620
01:31:21.079 --> 01:31:22.560
to do what they want to do when they want

1621
01:31:22.600 --> 01:31:25.760
to do it. And on the you know, on set,

1622
01:31:25.760 --> 01:31:27.960
time is money, and if you're a human being, you

1623
01:31:28.000 --> 01:31:30.439
know what's expected of you. You have your script pages,

1624
01:31:30.479 --> 01:31:32.800
you have your schedule. You're there because you're being paid

1625
01:31:32.800 --> 01:31:34.960
to be there, because it's what you like to do.

1626
01:31:35.000 --> 01:31:38.880
But for animals, it's incredibly confusing. It can be very traumatic,

1627
01:31:39.039 --> 01:31:42.880
especially for live animals, especially for animals like horses who

1628
01:31:42.920 --> 01:31:46.640
are incredibly skittish, but even companion animals like dogs and cats.

1629
01:31:46.680 --> 01:31:49.359
You know, besides the starvation that we found, we found

1630
01:31:49.399 --> 01:31:52.000
that dogs were living just as you mentioned in just

1631
01:31:52.079 --> 01:31:56.199
cages kept outside overnight on cold nights. And none of

1632
01:31:56.199 --> 01:31:58.920
this is monitored by filmmakers. This is just the training

1633
01:31:58.960 --> 01:32:03.039
compounds and so on set, there's less and less abuse,

1634
01:32:03.159 --> 01:32:06.439
But what we're asking showrunners and directors to do is

1635
01:32:07.000 --> 01:32:09.359
ask the question. If you're going to use a dog

1636
01:32:09.399 --> 01:32:12.199
dog from a training compound, ask them how was that

1637
01:32:12.279 --> 01:32:15.119
dog trained? How does that dog live? Does the dog

1638
01:32:15.319 --> 01:32:18.359
is the dog? You know which some are Does he

1639
01:32:18.399 --> 01:32:20.520
sleep at the bottom of his trainer's bed every night?

1640
01:32:20.640 --> 01:32:23.279
Or is he living in a cage? And if the

1641
01:32:23.920 --> 01:32:26.840
answer is the latter, then move along. But what we

1642
01:32:26.960 --> 01:32:30.279
have found is that the news is good. You know,

1643
01:32:30.479 --> 01:32:33.800
with our investigations and with our outreach and our animals

1644
01:32:33.840 --> 01:32:37.520
in Film and Television division, we're seeing Hollywood shift away

1645
01:32:37.520 --> 01:32:41.199
from the use of live animals. Take Superman, the summer

1646
01:32:41.239 --> 01:32:44.960
blockbuster Superman Crypto. The super Dog was one hundred percent

1647
01:32:45.079 --> 01:32:49.600
CGI based on James Gunn's real adopted dog, Ozu, and

1648
01:32:49.640 --> 01:32:53.039
it is beautiful work. I mean, you can't tell anymore.

1649
01:32:53.119 --> 01:32:55.960
So the future is looking good. But we just need

1650
01:32:56.079 --> 01:32:58.960
everybody to reject the use of live animals in film

1651
01:32:59.000 --> 01:32:59.680
and television.

1652
01:33:00.319 --> 01:33:02.319
You know, you use the term here that our audience

1653
01:33:02.640 --> 01:33:07.800
may be unfamiliar with showrunners. Who are the showrunners?

1654
01:33:08.279 --> 01:33:11.520
That's essentially the person in charge of and it's usually

1655
01:33:11.560 --> 01:33:16.800
the writer of a program. For example, one of the

1656
01:33:16.800 --> 01:33:20.199
people that did it very badly. Was the showrunner for

1657
01:33:20.239 --> 01:33:23.319
The Righteous Gemstones, which is Danny McBride is very funny.

1658
01:33:23.319 --> 01:33:26.000
He should rely only on his ability to write and

1659
01:33:26.039 --> 01:33:29.600
do comedy, but instead he incorporated a real monkey into

1660
01:33:29.640 --> 01:33:32.520
the last season and thankfully it was the last season

1661
01:33:32.560 --> 01:33:35.800
of The Righteous Gemstones even had the monkey smoking, which

1662
01:33:35.840 --> 01:33:39.520
is like, you haven't seen something like that since the

1663
01:33:39.600 --> 01:33:42.359
nineteen thirties and forties. I mean, this was a throwback

1664
01:33:42.399 --> 01:33:45.359
to a time when we didn't know much about animals.

1665
01:33:45.720 --> 01:33:49.000
So that was incredibly disappointing, as was the show Bad

1666
01:33:49.079 --> 01:33:51.600
Monkey on Apple, and we're hoping they won't bring the

1667
01:33:51.640 --> 01:33:54.600
monkey back on that. But what we are seeing is that,

1668
01:33:54.920 --> 01:33:58.920
you know, the folks like Bradley Cooper for The Star

1669
01:33:59.039 --> 01:34:01.800
is Born, instead of going to a training compound and

1670
01:34:01.920 --> 01:34:04.680
using a trained dog, he brought his own dog into

1671
01:34:04.720 --> 01:34:07.319
it and in that situation, his dog was comfortable in

1672
01:34:07.319 --> 01:34:09.840
that setting. He got to be around brad all day long.

1673
01:34:10.279 --> 01:34:14.680
So that's something that we're starting to see more filmmakers do,

1674
01:34:14.920 --> 01:34:17.520
is incorporate their own animals so that they're with them

1675
01:34:17.560 --> 01:34:19.279
all day, they go home with them at the end

1676
01:34:19.319 --> 01:34:21.600
of the day, and there's no abuse there.

1677
01:34:22.720 --> 01:34:25.319
Well, you know, for so many years, I mean for decades,

1678
01:34:26.039 --> 01:34:29.920
filmmakers could just do as they please, not being not

1679
01:34:30.000 --> 01:34:32.840
being held accountable. But thank god for Pete and those

1680
01:34:32.880 --> 01:34:35.840
of us who love animals, they say, no, wait a minute,

1681
01:34:35.840 --> 01:34:39.239
you can't. You're abusing these animals. This is not right.

1682
01:34:39.399 --> 01:34:44.279
And thank god, a lot of film makers are our

1683
01:34:44.319 --> 01:34:47.399
meeting as more than halfway Lisa, and they're they're changing

1684
01:34:47.439 --> 01:34:50.520
their ways, as you say, and they're looking at alterna

1685
01:34:50.600 --> 01:34:54.159
They're open to alternatives, especially with the technology that's available today. Right.

1686
01:34:54.960 --> 01:34:56.880
Oh, it's incredible. I mean, yes, you bring up a

1687
01:34:56.960 --> 01:34:59.439
very good point. Not that long ago, they were using

1688
01:34:59.479 --> 01:35:02.479
trip wi on horses and so in war scenes when

1689
01:35:02.520 --> 01:35:05.279
they fell, they were falling, they would break their necks,

1690
01:35:05.279 --> 01:35:08.680
they'd have to be euthanized. It was it was a

1691
01:35:08.720 --> 01:35:12.479
horror show for animals out there. But yes, I think,

1692
01:35:13.039 --> 01:35:17.920
you know, times have really changed and moviegoers don't want

1693
01:35:17.960 --> 01:35:20.640
to know, don't want to see animals being abused, and

1694
01:35:20.680 --> 01:35:22.960
don't want to know that an animal was abused for

1695
01:35:23.000 --> 01:35:27.880
their entertainment. And it's just you know, computer generated imagery

1696
01:35:27.920 --> 01:35:31.640
is making so much possible now and that is the trend,

1697
01:35:31.680 --> 01:35:34.319
and it is a campaign. I think we will win

1698
01:35:34.520 --> 01:35:35.439
in my lifetime.

1699
01:35:36.399 --> 01:35:39.239
Where are we at overall? Are we halfway through? Are

1700
01:35:39.239 --> 01:35:44.199
we fifty or what's the level of improvement here, Lisa, I.

1701
01:35:44.159 --> 01:35:48.239
Just think we're well above seventy percent improvement. I just

1702
01:35:48.319 --> 01:35:53.479
think it's really really huge and we're winning this in

1703
01:35:53.560 --> 01:35:54.600
leaps and bounds.

1704
01:35:54.640 --> 01:35:54.880
Wait.

1705
01:35:55.279 --> 01:35:57.680
When we started this campaign, it was largely because you

1706
01:35:57.720 --> 01:36:01.119
may remember the series Luck on HBO. We were receiving

1707
01:36:01.119 --> 01:36:04.680
whistleblowercalls from someone on set saying they're using older horses

1708
01:36:04.720 --> 01:36:07.800
who are not ready for these scenes. And we went

1709
01:36:07.840 --> 01:36:11.000
to the producers. We went to Dustin Hoffman said stop, stop, stop.

1710
01:36:11.079 --> 01:36:13.560
They didn't end. A third horse died, and so we

1711
01:36:13.640 --> 01:36:17.520
publicized it and the show was canceled. We don't see

1712
01:36:17.560 --> 01:36:21.760
that as much anymore because a I think people know more.

1713
01:36:22.039 --> 01:36:25.119
They're also afraid of the bad publicity and getting shows

1714
01:36:25.159 --> 01:36:28.960
canceled like that. But also you do have to know that.

1715
01:36:29.000 --> 01:36:31.479
I mean, people don't until they know, they don't know,

1716
01:36:31.680 --> 01:36:34.680
you know. And so we've been going to showrunners and

1717
01:36:34.720 --> 01:36:37.960
directors in advance of filming to say, here's what we

1718
01:36:38.039 --> 01:36:41.039
found in our investigations. We're urging you to not use

1719
01:36:41.079 --> 01:36:43.680
animals at all. Because that's really the only way to

1720
01:36:43.800 --> 01:36:48.119
make sure that an animal isn't hurt before filming or

1721
01:36:48.159 --> 01:36:51.079
on set or after, because there's abuse in every part

1722
01:36:51.079 --> 01:36:53.720
of the production before, during, and after, and the only

1723
01:36:53.760 --> 01:36:56.600
way to avoid it is to avoid using animals across.

1724
01:36:56.279 --> 01:36:59.560
The board exactly. We're talking with Lisa Lang. She's senior

1725
01:36:59.640 --> 01:37:02.600
vice and Communications for People for the Ethical Treatment of

1726
01:37:02.600 --> 01:37:06.000
Animals PEDA. She devises effective and eye catching ways to

1727
01:37:06.039 --> 01:37:09.159
get animal rights message out to as many people as possible,

1728
01:37:09.479 --> 01:37:14.119
including I mean, you were involved with a Super Bowl ad, right,

1729
01:37:14.800 --> 01:37:16.640
tell us about that Don't take my cheese?

1730
01:37:16.760 --> 01:37:20.199
Huh yeah, And that was Edie Falco and anything she

1731
01:37:20.279 --> 01:37:23.319
touches is amazing, right, But that was a really good

1732
01:37:23.359 --> 01:37:25.840
one because in kind of mostly humorous way, we were

1733
01:37:25.840 --> 01:37:28.279
able to talk to people about exactly where their dairy

1734
01:37:28.319 --> 01:37:31.000
and where their cheese comes from, and that is from

1735
01:37:31.119 --> 01:37:31.680
a cow.

1736
01:37:31.479 --> 01:37:33.239
Who do not want to lose their baby. I mean

1737
01:37:33.479 --> 01:37:36.800
mother Cows make milk for the same reasons human mothers do,

1738
01:37:36.880 --> 01:37:38.720
and that's to feed their babies. And so to get

1739
01:37:38.760 --> 01:37:41.720
the milk to make the cheese, we take their babies away.

1740
01:37:41.760 --> 01:37:44.960
And it's an incredibly violent industry. So she was so

1741
01:37:45.119 --> 01:37:47.600
wonderful to do that spot. It got a lot of

1742
01:37:47.640 --> 01:37:50.199
attention and I think for the first time for some people,

1743
01:37:50.479 --> 01:37:53.079
they kind of learned about the violence of the dairy industry.

1744
01:37:53.119 --> 01:37:56.760
And because we have so many plant milk milks available

1745
01:37:56.800 --> 01:38:00.359
and plant cheeses, were starting to see a big shift there.

1746
01:38:00.439 --> 01:38:03.319
And that was, you know, all in part at least

1747
01:38:03.399 --> 01:38:05.399
due to that wonderful commercial, which you can see at

1748
01:38:05.439 --> 01:38:06.880
our website at PETA dot org.

1749
01:38:07.359 --> 01:38:09.960
Well, Lisa, you've got to be happy with the response.

1750
01:38:10.000 --> 01:38:12.359
I mean, you say we're about thirty five percent. I mean,

1751
01:38:12.359 --> 01:38:14.600
we still got twenty five percent to go, but I

1752
01:38:14.640 --> 01:38:18.239
mean more and more audiences in general are getting involved.

1753
01:38:18.399 --> 01:38:20.960
And you've got whistle blowers playing a critical role in

1754
01:38:21.000 --> 01:38:22.319
stopping this abuse as well.

1755
01:38:22.439 --> 01:38:23.960
Right, Oh my gosh.

1756
01:38:24.000 --> 01:38:28.119
They are a lifeline for animals. Yes, and we respect anonymity.

1757
01:38:28.159 --> 01:38:29.800
We know this is a job to folks, and so

1758
01:38:29.840 --> 01:38:32.000
when they call us and they contact us about things,

1759
01:38:32.439 --> 01:38:34.800
we jump on it right away and we keep their

1760
01:38:34.880 --> 01:38:37.520
name and their role out of it. And we would

1761
01:38:37.520 --> 01:38:39.720
say to anyone who's listening, if you're in a position

1762
01:38:39.760 --> 01:38:42.560
to be a whistleblower, document as much as you can,

1763
01:38:42.720 --> 01:38:46.239
meaning take photos, video, because that makes it much easier

1764
01:38:46.279 --> 01:38:48.439
for us to get something stopped so that we can

1765
01:38:48.880 --> 01:38:50.079
show exactly what's.

1766
01:38:49.920 --> 01:38:53.039
Going on well, and it's also easier to fix early

1767
01:38:53.159 --> 01:38:55.399
in the production. You know, you can go to a

1768
01:38:55.399 --> 01:38:58.039
showrunner before they've got so much money involved in a

1769
01:38:58.079 --> 01:39:02.039
production and it does and you know money is not

1770
01:39:02.479 --> 01:39:04.960
the major factor for why they should continue to abuse

1771
01:39:04.960 --> 01:39:05.439
the animals.

1772
01:39:05.520 --> 01:39:06.840
Right, that's right.

1773
01:39:06.880 --> 01:39:09.119
The earlier we can get in, as you say, that

1774
01:39:09.319 --> 01:39:11.399
more likely we are to stop something. If they haven't

1775
01:39:11.439 --> 01:39:13.000
started it, we can stop it.

1776
01:39:13.520 --> 01:39:15.520
So what should people in the industry do if they

1777
01:39:15.520 --> 01:39:18.279
see or hear about animal abuse on set? And where

1778
01:39:18.279 --> 01:39:19.479
can they go for more information?

1779
01:39:19.920 --> 01:39:22.359
Well, contact Peter right away. You can either call us

1780
01:39:22.439 --> 01:39:24.279
or you can go to our website at Peter dot

1781
01:39:24.359 --> 01:39:30.319
org slash report and send us an anonymous message about something.

1782
01:39:30.359 --> 01:39:32.239
We'll get in touch with you if you'd like us to.

1783
01:39:32.720 --> 01:39:35.159
If you can send us information, give us as much

1784
01:39:35.199 --> 01:39:39.920
information that's dates, pictures, video, names, anything you can give

1785
01:39:40.000 --> 01:39:43.079
us that makes it easier for us to reach out

1786
01:39:43.159 --> 01:39:44.159
and stop something.

1787
01:39:44.880 --> 01:39:47.199
She's a senior vice president with Peter les Lang. Thank

1788
01:39:47.239 --> 01:39:49.600
you so much for being with us, Appreciate the time, take.

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many of your listeners have too, So nothing I'm going

1886
01:45:05.319 --> 01:45:08.720
to say is going to be particularly original. But he

1887
01:45:08.840 --> 01:45:12.199
listened to people, right, He engaged with people. He didn't

1888
01:45:12.199 --> 01:45:17.520
be little people, and that's a rare thing I saw.

1889
01:45:18.399 --> 01:45:19.319
Oh, I don't know.

1890
01:45:19.399 --> 01:45:21.119
It was probably on Fox last night.

1891
01:45:21.319 --> 01:45:21.520
You know.

1892
01:45:21.640 --> 01:45:26.439
Somebody said there's no equivalent on the left of anybody

1893
01:45:26.800 --> 01:45:29.199
who has done the kind of things that Charlie Kirk

1894
01:45:29.239 --> 01:45:34.319
has done in terms of really being present, being engaged

1895
01:45:35.319 --> 01:45:40.000
and trying to be a catalyst for honest conversation. And

1896
01:45:40.079 --> 01:45:43.479
I think that's right. There's no the left doesn't listen,

1897
01:45:44.920 --> 01:45:47.800
and I don't want to go too far down that

1898
01:45:47.880 --> 01:45:51.720
rabbit hole, but but Charlie did, and he was a

1899
01:45:51.760 --> 01:45:52.640
remarkable person.

1900
01:45:53.119 --> 01:45:55.279
Well, and that's what made him a blessing because he

1901
01:45:55.319 --> 01:45:58.479
goes to these campuses and these kids that had been

1902
01:45:58.560 --> 01:46:04.079
indoctrinated in these classrooms, uh, realized in in this confrontation,

1903
01:46:04.199 --> 01:46:06.840
and by confrontation, I mean it was necessarily adversarial. Was

1904
01:46:06.880 --> 01:46:08.640
just saying, hey, look, we're going to bring the truth

1905
01:46:08.680 --> 01:46:13.039
of God, the truth of Jesus into into this darkness here,

1906
01:46:13.520 --> 01:46:15.600
and we're going to penetrate this darkness. Now what do

1907
01:46:15.640 --> 01:46:18.960
you think? And it caused these young kids to you know,

1908
01:46:19.039 --> 01:46:23.680
reconnoiter and reevaluate the things that we were being indoctrinated with.

1909
01:46:24.199 --> 01:46:27.720
And and he was you know, asking them questions, he

1910
01:46:27.800 --> 01:46:30.880
was engaging them, and so and and and not that

1911
01:46:30.960 --> 01:46:33.239
he you know, convinced one hundred percent of the people,

1912
01:46:33.640 --> 01:46:37.239
but he was quite uh you know, quite a figure.

1913
01:46:37.560 --> 01:46:41.199
It was very impressive because these kids would often try

1914
01:46:41.199 --> 01:46:43.760
to invalidate him because well, you know, you don't have

1915
01:46:43.800 --> 01:46:46.359
a degree. You know, where's your Yale degree or your

1916
01:46:46.359 --> 01:46:48.800
heart your Colombia degree, you know kind of deal. And

1917
01:46:49.439 --> 01:46:51.960
you know he pretty much look at he's self taught

1918
01:46:52.119 --> 01:46:54.720
and uh, but but he's brilliant. You know, last time

1919
01:46:54.720 --> 01:46:56.479
I checked, I don't think Jesus had a degree from

1920
01:46:56.560 --> 01:46:57.560
Yale either, did he.

1921
01:46:57.880 --> 01:47:00.239
No, he didn't, And and I think that you not.

1922
01:47:00.319 --> 01:47:04.840
Something really significant about Charlie was he wasn't someone who

1923
01:47:04.920 --> 01:47:08.560
was intimidated. And I think that one of the tactics

1924
01:47:08.840 --> 01:47:14.680
of the left is to shout people down right, and

1925
01:47:14.720 --> 01:47:18.439
so it's not even the substance of their arguments sometimes

1926
01:47:19.079 --> 01:47:22.159
that gets people to be quiet. It's the sheer volume

1927
01:47:22.319 --> 01:47:25.760
with which they come at you. And frankly, most of

1928
01:47:25.800 --> 01:47:27.640
the time when somebody have you know, if we have

1929
01:47:27.720 --> 01:47:31.880
somebody yelling at us, I think a lot of us

1930
01:47:31.880 --> 01:47:33.600
will be all right, all right, I just you know,

1931
01:47:33.680 --> 01:47:35.199
I don't want to have a big fight over this,

1932
01:47:35.319 --> 01:47:38.399
and we can, we can equivocate, we can back down.

1933
01:47:38.840 --> 01:47:40.359
And he didn't.

1934
01:47:40.640 --> 01:47:43.159
He wasn't intimidated. I mean, I've watched a lot of videos,

1935
01:47:43.159 --> 01:47:48.359
and frankly, I know as much about Charlie. Well, much

1936
01:47:48.359 --> 01:47:52.359
of my knowledge about Charlie Kirk is because my nineteen

1937
01:47:52.439 --> 01:47:56.680
year old son, you know, loved him and you know,

1938
01:47:57.199 --> 01:47:59.680
actually saw him speak on campus, had a chance to

1939
01:47:59.680 --> 01:48:02.640
meet him, and it was one of the high points

1940
01:48:02.680 --> 01:48:05.680
of his freshman year of college. And that was the

1941
01:48:05.720 --> 01:48:10.319
other thing was was Charlie's heart for young people and

1942
01:48:10.520 --> 01:48:14.840
wanting to be someone who was trying to create a

1943
01:48:14.880 --> 01:48:19.439
space for honest dialogue on the campus. And that's a

1944
01:48:19.479 --> 01:48:21.960
hard place for dialogue these days, because if you don't

1945
01:48:22.039 --> 01:48:27.119
conform to the progressive code, you get shouted down.

1946
01:48:27.680 --> 01:48:30.439
Yeah, without a doubt. Well, the fear decibel is raised.

1947
01:48:30.920 --> 01:48:32.600
That's what the left wants to do. They want to

1948
01:48:32.640 --> 01:48:36.920
scare you into silence, right, And Charlie would not be

1949
01:48:37.479 --> 01:48:41.439
He would not be silenced because he knew that, you know,

1950
01:48:41.560 --> 01:48:45.760
God was going before him. You know, God was his advocate,

1951
01:48:46.079 --> 01:48:48.000
and so if he was going to go down, he

1952
01:48:48.079 --> 01:48:51.079
was going to go down carrying the cross that God

1953
01:48:51.119 --> 01:48:53.119
had given him to bear. Yeah.

1954
01:48:53.239 --> 01:48:57.039
No, that's right. And I don't think it's too strong

1955
01:48:57.159 --> 01:49:00.800
to call him a martyr at this point because of

1956
01:49:00.840 --> 01:49:04.960
his his outspoken faith, and we know that the history

1957
01:49:05.000 --> 01:49:08.760
of the church, what's the saying the blood of the

1958
01:49:08.760 --> 01:49:11.760
martyrs is the seed of the church or something to

1959
01:49:11.840 --> 01:49:13.720
that effect. I may not be getting it quite right.

1960
01:49:15.159 --> 01:49:21.520
And my hope is that Charlie's example now becomes one

1961
01:49:21.640 --> 01:49:26.760
that that inspires and emboldens an entire generation to say, no,

1962
01:49:27.279 --> 01:49:31.399
we're not We're not going to be silenced like this, Right,

1963
01:49:31.680 --> 01:49:34.119
We're not going to be shouted down, We're not going

1964
01:49:34.159 --> 01:49:39.159
to be shot down. And yeah, but it's still it's

1965
01:49:39.199 --> 01:49:42.479
just such a it's such a terrible waste, Bill.

1966
01:49:43.199 --> 01:49:45.840
And yet not not in yet.

1967
01:49:46.279 --> 01:49:49.399
But in the midst of that, God is still good,

1968
01:49:49.439 --> 01:49:52.680
and God is still sovereign, right, and God knew who

1969
01:49:52.800 --> 01:49:57.760
Charlie was, and God used Charlie to accomplish his purposes

1970
01:49:57.840 --> 01:49:59.680
for the time allotted him. And I think it's a

1971
01:49:59.680 --> 01:50:02.800
remind for all of us that we don't know what

1972
01:50:02.880 --> 01:50:06.199
a day brings, right, Nobody saw this coming when they

1973
01:50:06.199 --> 01:50:09.600
got up yesterday morning. And so we want to be

1974
01:50:09.720 --> 01:50:13.560
mindful of the opportunities that we have right before us.

1975
01:50:13.880 --> 01:50:17.800
You know, I think about Phesians five fifteen through seventeen,

1976
01:50:17.840 --> 01:50:20.439
which I've probably quoted here before. Be very careful in

1977
01:50:20.560 --> 01:50:24.640
how you live, not as unwise, but as wise, making

1978
01:50:24.680 --> 01:50:28.119
the most of every opportunity, because the days are evil.

1979
01:50:28.880 --> 01:50:31.720
Four do not be foolish, but understand what the Lord's

1980
01:50:31.760 --> 01:50:35.680
will is. And boy, yesterday felt like a day of evil.

1981
01:50:35.920 --> 01:50:36.119
Bill.

1982
01:50:36.279 --> 01:50:38.920
Yeah, well, there was there was no doubt. And that's it,

1983
01:50:39.000 --> 01:50:40.800
you know, Like you and I talked about it here

1984
01:50:40.840 --> 01:50:43.399
in the recent weeks, is that part of the problem

1985
01:50:43.439 --> 01:50:45.439
that we have here in our culture is people don't

1986
01:50:45.479 --> 01:50:47.000
know the difference between good and evil.

1987
01:50:47.119 --> 01:50:52.520
Yeah, well, I feel like it was absolutely on display yesterday.

1988
01:50:53.840 --> 01:50:58.079
And you know, I think the other really deeply unfortunate

1989
01:50:58.159 --> 01:51:03.319
thing is that so many people saw that video who

1990
01:51:03.359 --> 01:51:05.720
maybe had no idea it was about to pop up

1991
01:51:05.720 --> 01:51:08.960
in their feed, and so, you know, we had this

1992
01:51:09.199 --> 01:51:12.840
thing happen and now you've got kids and not kids

1993
01:51:12.880 --> 01:51:18.439
trying to process PTSD like you know, responses because we're

1994
01:51:18.479 --> 01:51:21.880
not meant to look evil like that in the face

1995
01:51:22.119 --> 01:51:25.760
and to see the images that we saw, and so

1996
01:51:26.760 --> 01:51:29.960
you know, that's a collateral issue, but it's a real one.

1997
01:51:30.159 --> 01:51:34.399
And also I think just thinking about Charlie's wife and kids,

1998
01:51:34.399 --> 01:51:39.199
I woke up this morning thinking, oh, what heartbreak the

1999
01:51:39.279 --> 01:51:41.760
day after, and you know, for the day after to

2000
01:51:41.800 --> 01:51:46.079
be September eleventh, obviously this is a somber day to

2001
01:51:46.159 --> 01:51:51.000
begin with, but it's it's especially heavy now, Bill, Right, Well, I.

2002
01:51:50.920 --> 01:51:54.239
Think that you know, the things that Charlie had done,

2003
01:51:54.239 --> 01:51:58.520
and many of the headlines are about his political activism,

2004
01:51:59.279 --> 01:52:03.520
but I think that to you know, Charlie's heart would

2005
01:52:03.560 --> 01:52:08.439
be more about his evangelism because he carried with him,

2006
01:52:08.439 --> 01:52:11.840
as I said in the opening, his own his own

2007
01:52:11.880 --> 01:52:16.760
redemption story, and and he made no apology for it.

2008
01:52:17.159 --> 01:52:20.239
He laid it out and you know, like the blind man,

2009
01:52:20.359 --> 01:52:22.680
Hey all, I know, I was this way because of

2010
01:52:22.800 --> 01:52:27.119
Jesus Christ. I'm now I'm now this way and praise

2011
01:52:27.279 --> 01:52:31.720
praise God for that. And you know, and he did

2012
01:52:31.760 --> 01:52:37.239
not he didn't shun you know, these kids that they

2013
01:52:37.319 --> 01:52:39.880
didn't nobody. He just he understood that they didn't know.

2014
01:52:40.560 --> 01:52:42.399
And so he was going to give them an opportunity

2015
01:52:42.640 --> 01:52:44.880
to bring the light, open up their minds a little

2016
01:52:44.920 --> 01:52:46.960
bit and then it's up to them. And that's going

2017
01:52:47.039 --> 01:52:49.840
to be the situation going forward. Here is all these

2018
01:52:49.920 --> 01:52:52.279
kids that have been touched, you know, yeah, you know,

2019
01:52:52.359 --> 01:52:55.319
dare I say, probably millions of kids out there that

2020
01:52:55.359 --> 01:52:59.920
have been touched. And probably when you consider that, you know,

2021
01:53:00.279 --> 01:53:07.039
Charlie Kirk was probably the single predominant force that elected

2022
01:53:07.119 --> 01:53:07.800
Donald Trump.

2023
01:53:08.279 --> 01:53:10.479
Yeah. No, he mobilized people.

2024
01:53:10.720 --> 01:53:13.439
And you know, even if you want to limit his

2025
01:53:13.520 --> 01:53:17.960
influence to what he accomplished in Arizona, you know, and

2026
01:53:18.039 --> 01:53:20.159
obviously his reach was much broader than that.

2027
01:53:20.319 --> 01:53:24.119
But yeah, I mean, it was amazing and I think that.

2028
01:53:26.680 --> 01:53:29.439
Certainly, there are a lot of people who were fans,

2029
01:53:29.520 --> 01:53:32.800
who were people who appreciated and respected what he did.

2030
01:53:33.520 --> 01:53:36.279
But what this does, is my guess, is there were

2031
01:53:36.319 --> 01:53:40.199
also millions of people who had little familiarity with him.

2032
01:53:40.560 --> 01:53:43.039
And now all of a sudden, you've got people checking

2033
01:53:43.079 --> 01:53:48.640
out a vast library of video clips of how he engaged,

2034
01:53:48.680 --> 01:53:53.840
and so in some ways it becomes a force multiplier, right,

2035
01:53:54.560 --> 01:53:57.920
Oh yeah, that everything he ever did now I think

2036
01:53:57.960 --> 01:54:00.399
people are going to be paying attention to way that

2037
01:54:00.439 --> 01:54:02.680
they weren't yesterday morning, which and.

2038
01:54:03.199 --> 01:54:07.319
Some of these liberal instructors that resented Charlie Kirk's message

2039
01:54:07.439 --> 01:54:11.680
are going to be using his videos as course outlines

2040
01:54:12.119 --> 01:54:15.680
because he was a brilliant debater.

2041
01:54:16.159 --> 01:54:20.159
He was, he was, and and so there's there's a

2042
01:54:20.159 --> 01:54:23.680
lot of mystery in that bill. And I think, you know,

2043
01:54:23.720 --> 01:54:25.880
I was thinking about our conversation this morning, and I

2044
01:54:25.880 --> 01:54:30.720
think ultimately the thing that we rest in as followers

2045
01:54:30.720 --> 01:54:32.880
of Jesus is that we can be people of hope.

2046
01:54:33.199 --> 01:54:38.960
And so I'm deeply, deeply saddened. The Old Testament. Part

2047
01:54:38.960 --> 01:54:41.600
of my brain hopes we find this guy, you know,

2048
01:54:42.119 --> 01:54:45.920
And I confess that not all of my thoughts along

2049
01:54:45.960 --> 01:54:49.000
those lines have been particularly charitable, right. I mean it's

2050
01:54:49.039 --> 01:54:51.960
just like I want, I want to see justice done,

2051
01:54:52.279 --> 01:54:55.840
as I'm sure millions and millions do, but ultimately we

2052
01:54:55.920 --> 01:54:57.000
have hope, right.

2053
01:54:57.720 --> 01:55:01.039
Yeah, but it can go hand in hand. Yeah, justice

2054
01:55:01.119 --> 01:55:05.199
is necessary because it is what you know, maintains law

2055
01:55:05.239 --> 01:55:07.680
and order. Yes, that's right. And the thing is is

2056
01:55:07.720 --> 01:55:10.920
that we know that God is just and right exactly,

2057
01:55:10.960 --> 01:55:16.439
and God has instituted government to exercise his justice, and

2058
01:55:16.479 --> 01:55:20.680
we pray that our government, law enforcement and the officials

2059
01:55:20.960 --> 01:55:25.279
who are charged with this you are charged, you know,

2060
01:55:25.439 --> 01:55:28.279
in delivering justice, that they do so righteously.

2061
01:55:28.760 --> 01:55:29.560
Yeah, that's right.

2062
01:55:29.680 --> 01:55:33.720
And you know, as much as at times I lament

2063
01:55:33.920 --> 01:55:38.720
our surveillance culture, boy, it's pretty hard to pull off

2064
01:55:38.720 --> 01:55:41.319
something like this and disappear into the woodwork in twenty

2065
01:55:41.359 --> 01:55:44.760
twenty five, right, And it's only a matter of time

2066
01:55:45.520 --> 01:55:49.800
before this person is found. Will they will find him?

2067
01:55:49.319 --> 01:55:54.560
And I assume it to him, but you.

2068
01:55:54.439 --> 01:55:55.039
Know, we wait.

2069
01:55:55.159 --> 01:55:58.319
We pray obviously for his families, for his family, for

2070
01:55:58.359 --> 01:56:03.079
his children, and that his legacy would be one that

2071
01:56:03.640 --> 01:56:07.079
is amplified and fortified from here on out.

2072
01:56:07.479 --> 01:56:09.119
And I think Charlie would say the same thing that

2073
01:56:09.159 --> 01:56:11.399
you just said, and that is, don't lose hope, right,

2074
01:56:11.880 --> 01:56:14.279
don't lose hope. God is still on the throne. He

2075
01:56:14.359 --> 01:56:18.239
is sovereign. We may not understand why, because that was

2076
01:56:18.279 --> 01:56:20.800
the thing I got. I got all kinds of text

2077
01:56:20.960 --> 01:56:26.960
essay why why? And you know, and is intriguing humanoids

2078
01:56:27.479 --> 01:56:29.760
that that's the number one question, right?

2079
01:56:29.840 --> 01:56:32.479
And and I guess I have lived long enough not

2080
01:56:32.600 --> 01:56:37.319
to sound like the sage wise old man boy. There

2081
01:56:37.319 --> 01:56:39.359
are some questions that we're not going to have answers

2082
01:56:39.399 --> 01:56:42.000
to on this side of things. But I trust that

2083
01:56:42.039 --> 01:56:45.920
God is good and that he's sovereign. And at the

2084
01:56:46.000 --> 01:56:51.119
risk of sounding spiritually overreaching, I thought about Jim Elliott,

2085
01:56:51.399 --> 01:56:54.600
you know, in Nate Saint going down to South America

2086
01:56:54.680 --> 01:56:58.840
to to share the Gospel and becoming martyrs there and

2087
01:56:58.840 --> 01:57:02.560
in the generation that followed, even though there was deep

2088
01:57:02.880 --> 01:57:08.520
tragic sadness, they paved the way for a remarkable transformation

2089
01:57:08.640 --> 01:57:11.760
among a people who heard the gospel because of their bravery.

2090
01:57:12.039 --> 01:57:15.239
And it's a different context. It's certainly not a one

2091
01:57:15.279 --> 01:57:19.199
to one comparison, but I wonder and hope if something

2092
01:57:19.279 --> 01:57:22.600
similar can happen here. You know that he becomes a

2093
01:57:22.760 --> 01:57:28.239
generational figure right people to Jesus because of the tragedy

2094
01:57:28.079 --> 01:57:29.439
that has overtaken him.

2095
01:57:30.039 --> 01:57:32.239
Well, we got to leave it there. Thank you for

2096
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