Sept. 9, 2025

The Bill Martinez Show 09 09 25

The Bill Martinez Show 09 09 25
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The Bill Martinez Show 09 09 25
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Are you ready?

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Yeah, Okay, let's do it.

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Bill Martinez Live a program about current events, our culture,

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our values, our politics, and our future.

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And now Bill Martinez.

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Six minutes after the top. They are right now, Bill

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Martinez here and Ron Or to have the former US

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Ambassador to Israel, David Friedman, joins us. Now, David Shalom,

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good to have you with us.

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He'll see you. Thanks, Bill.

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Well, Belgium going to the UN causing problems. I mean,

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they want to sanction Israel for defending themselves. I'll let

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you you know further the report on that go ahead.

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Well what Belgium's following, you know, on the footsteps of Canada,

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the UK, France. I mean, these are all, I hate

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to say it, they're all failed states. They were once

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great countries. I mean, you know, I'm sure you've been

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to all of them. I've been to all of them.

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You know.

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They they haven't protected their borders. They've allowed their countries

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to become overrun by Islamists, not by Muslims. You know,

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Muslims I got no beef with, but radical Islamists, you know,

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I think most people do.

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And they're plague.

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They're placating that that base I mean they think that

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that's somehow going to lower the temperature on their streets.

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It won't, it won't.

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I mean, once you once you give in, you know

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you've lost control. And that's what they've said, They've lost

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control of their countries. It means nothing, It really means nothing.

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But you know there's there's one hundred and forty other

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countries at the UN they recognize a Palestinian state. There's

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never going to be a Palestinian state, right.

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Well, you know you wrote about it, the one Jewish state.

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You know, this idea of you know, a two state solution,

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it's just been absurd from the get go, especially when

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you have the Palestinians saying, you know, we just want Israel. Yeah,

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we see a one one state solution and that's us

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here and Israel gone all together. Well that's you know,

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that's not going to work. But you know, I'll tell

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you it's been a long time coming, and I know

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that it's been a political issue there in Israel to

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finally get to that point to you know, for ben

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Jamin then yahoo, do you say, no, we're just going

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to go and take over the Gaza.

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Look, he has no choice. I mean, remember this is not.

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There's never been a movement among the Palestinians to live

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in peace side by side Israel. And they were given Gaza.

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I mean, there hasn't been a Jew or an Israeli

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soldier living in Gaza since, you know, since two thousand

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and five. The first time Israel entered the Gaza strip

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was after October seventh of twenty twenty three.

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What do they do?

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They got tons of money, right, they were given billions

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of dollars, including I'm sad to say from our own country.

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They were given money from you know, the UN. And

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what did they do with all that money? I mean

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bill They've got twenty three miles of beachfront property in Gaza.

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You know, it's not easy to find a place in

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the world where you can sit and watch the watch

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the sunset on the Mediterranean Sea. They got twenty three

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miles of western facing Mediterranean. They took all their money.

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They didn't build a hotel, they didn't build a store,

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they didn't build you know, a mall, they built a hospital,

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They built terror tunnels and and and mass destruction. And

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now these countries one is real to go and do

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it again. Give them another state. I mean, you have

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to be you know, insane to follow that path.

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Yeah, you already gave them more than many chances. And

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even now, you know, you're providing food for the enemy,

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which is incredible to believe. Even the United States, something

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like sixty million dollars worth of food we dropped there,

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and some of it is just going to waste because

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Hamas is preventing you know, the local Palestinians to have

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access to it in order to exacerbate the problem and

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try to, you know, gin up some more sympathy from

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the international community. I mean, they're starving. People are starving

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to death there right now as you and I are talking.

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Well, look, you know, Hamas obviously is the is the

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evil player. But let's not forget the fact that the

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United Nations, you know, has some simple jobs to do here,

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right one job. One job is to relocate refugees.

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Right.

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They've done that in every other war, the Syrians Civil War,

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millions of Syrians were found shelter out of harms Way

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in other countries. UN hasn't lifted a finger to move

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a single you know, person out of harms Way in Gaza.

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They have not done a thing to distribute food in Gaza.

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And the International Red Cross, which is supposed to check

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in on the wood check in on hostages, has not

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visited as single Israeli hostage. So the world has abandoned Israel.

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And on top of that, you know, Israel would be

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right to say, you know what, I'm not feeding my enemy.

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You know, the Allies didn't do that in Germany. They

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didn't do that. You know, I'm going to follow the

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path no, you know, because they do have a heart

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and they don't want to see people suffering. They're bringing

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in hundreds of millions of food and a lot of

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it is rotting away because Hamas in the UN have

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failed to get it to the.

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Right people exactly. And you know, and speaking of the hostages,

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update is as best you can on them. The last

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reports is I mean they're even malnutritioned. I mean they

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they die as a result of uh, you know, abuse

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in many forms, uh you know from Hamas. But that

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we even had reports where you have hostages that are

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you know, dying from neglect and malnutrition.

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Yeah, I mean many of them are walking skeletons right now,

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living underground, breathing unbreathable air. There I'm sure, I mean,

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I can't imagine what kind of physical condition they're and

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it's it's horrible. But the problem is that, you know, whatever,

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you know, Israel can't really make a deal anymore, a

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partial deal because whoever, whoever they you know, get out,

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whoever's left is not coming out. I mean, the Hamas

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is not going to is always going to hang on

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to some number of live hostages. So now I think,

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and I think Trump agrees with this, Israel's going to

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go in there. They're going to rescue as many hostages

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as they can.

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That's it.

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They're they're they're and they're gonna go and they're gonna

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They're going to go into the last stronghold in Gaza City,

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which hasn't yet been been been taken over by Israel,

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and they're just going to defeat Lamas and win a

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war the old fashioned way. Nobody's more deserving of defeat

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than Commas and Gaza. When the war, free as many

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hostas as you can and clean the place out, that's

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all that's really left Israel to do.

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Well, David, I was talking with a friend of mine

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the other day, and we have lost sense of context

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with the idea of good and evil. This is a

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good and evil situation. And as I was explaining to me,

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I said, the problem that we have in our world

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is that we don't understand what evil is. We've accommodated

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it in so many ways and kind of homogenized it

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in and kind of soft pedaled and have have accepted evil.

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But you know, at some point you've got to learn,

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you know, from what's happening and and call it out

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for what it is and say, you know, in the

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same way that I think the United States and Israel, uh,

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you know resolved the issue, didn't really well, they took

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care of it in some sense. I don't think it's

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totally resolved with Iran is Okay, look at this is

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an evil situation. We got to knock its head off.

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They did, like I said, to a degree. I think

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they should have gone further. That's just me because when

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war happens, you got to know. You know, the Bible

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says the time for war, time for peace, and I

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understand that to mean that you can't confuse the two.

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When you confuse the two, you get yourself in trouble.

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Look, if you don't have moral red lines in your life,

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whether as a person or as a country, then you

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don't stand for anything, and the likelihood that you will

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last very long is really diminished. And you know, thank god,

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we didn't have that for a number of years. I

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thought that there wasn't a single red line that the

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Bidens or the Obamas didn't blur. Trump at least, you know,

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Trump at least to said, look, we're not going to

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do certain things. And he's held to that, and I

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think that makes the world a safer place. Early puts

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American Israel in better state. And I agree with you. Look,

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if you can't look at a terrorist groo coming in,

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raping women, beheading children, killing parents in front of their children,

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if you can't call that out, then then then you've

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really lost your way. I mean, you don't stand for

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anything at that point.

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David, do we get the video tape? I mean the footage,

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I mean that's all been hidden. I mean there's certain

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parts of it.

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Uh.

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The other day I was watching a former hostage of

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female My gosh, I mean you could I'm in tears, Yeah,

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hearing her recount the horror that she went through and

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it was only for fifty five days.

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Yeah, yeah, it was incredible.

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Well, look, I've seen I've seen all the tapes they're

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they're they're deeply, deeply disturbing and infuriating Natania. I would

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just really released something a few days ago of a

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bunch of two boys and their father running away from terrorists.

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They ran into a shelter that the terrorists through a grenade.

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The father jumped on the grenade lost his life to

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save his kids. The kids are then crying, screaming as

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you could have, and the terrorist walks into the room,

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opens the refrigerator, looks for something to drink, grabs a drink,

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you know, uh, drinks.

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It and walks out. I mean, that's and believe me,

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that's not the worst. That's not the worst. I've seen

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much worse exactly.

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They are right now. The former US Ambassador to Israel,

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David Friedman continues with us. You know, to earlier point here, David,

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is that I remember Trump talking in the Oval Office

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to a released hostage, and he asked him a real

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simple question, He says, was there ever any kindness extended

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to you? Did any of Hamas, did they offer you anything?

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Did they give you a look of comfort and nothing

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cold hearted?

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And you know, let's contrast that with the Holocaust, which

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you know, you know, the darkest moment certainly for the

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Jewish people in their history. There's an entire wall at

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the Holocaust Museum in jerusalemdiadbres Sham of what they referred

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to as the Righteous Gentile Wall. It's a list of

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all the people, you know, whether in Poland, or in

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Germany or in Hungary, various countries, who hid Jews from

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the Nazis, who actually saved Jewish lives. Not one, not

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one here in the Gaza strip, not one. And so

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when people talk about, you know, the Gaza civilians and

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the poor Gaza civilians, look, I certainly, children lament the

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suffering of children, but let's be clear. The people of

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guys that elected Kamas. Yes, they celebrated October seventh, they

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celebrated nine to eleven, you know, when America was hit,

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you know, back in two thousand and one. They're not

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they're they're not innocent. Civilians they are. I mean, the

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children are innocent. They won't be innocent for long. But

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the children are innocent. But the people, the people are

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against us. They're against America, they're against the West, they're

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against our values. And that reflects the fact that not

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a single one of them had helped the poor Israeli hostage.

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How do you protect those young Palestinian kids from being

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so indoctrinated. You know, when you look in Bible history,

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when God told the children of Israel to go and

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utterly destroy the Moabites, there was a reason for that

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because God knew in his wisdom they had to be

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utterly decimated otherwise that that philosophy would spread into God's

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chosen people. And again here we are. You know, we're

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faced with this situation. I think as a you know,

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certainly in the West, we're extremely compassionate for life, we

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respect life, and it's very difficult. Nobody wants to go

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to war. But again, going back to what I said earlier,

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God was real clear, we need to understand there's time

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for war and time for peace, and we must know

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the difference.

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Yeah, look, look the you know, after Hamas is defeated,

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which it will be and probably within the next.

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Investor when they're defeated, what does that mean?

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So what it looks, what it looks like is the

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actual people who are armed and in a position to

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fight are eliminated. But it doesn't mean that the sixteen

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year olds and the fifteen year olds, given the opportunity,

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you know, without something dramatically changing, don't become Haramas, you know,

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ten years later. So it's it's it's not. But the

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key is they have to no longer, they have to

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no longer control the Aza strip and someone needs to

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come in that does that's not going to permit another

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Khmas caliphate. It's sort of like ISIS, right, there's still

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people out there, still people out there who support ISIS, unfortunately,

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but they don't have a base of operations anymore. They

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don't have a caliphate. Got to get rid of the

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Kamas caliphate and then you got to offer something better now,

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you know, whether that's another Arab country coming in that

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you know, you know some or alternatively what Trump's talking about. Now,

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start moving them out because because Gaza is really unlivable anyway.

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I mean, you got buildings all teetering, move them out

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voluntarily but with incentives, and then while they're out, rebuild

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it and and and decide you know who comes back

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in over time. But I think, I think because of

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the proximity of Gaza to Israel, I think the idea

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of leaving behind a large, radicalized Islama's population is not

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going to work because it's just going to come up.

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But it happen again.

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Why doesn't Israel control the Gaza? I mean, I mean,

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a Bible scholar, and I go back to the Old Testament.

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This is God's chosen land for this chosen people.

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Yeah, you know what, Well, Ariel Sharon, who was a

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great warrior, great in Israeli general when he was Prime minister,

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he thought, well, you know, we're just going to give

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it away, because you know, we're going to show that

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we're willing to live without them. We're gonna get He

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made a deal with Bush. He thought that he made

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a deal with Bush, and Bush was going to say, well,

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if you're giving up Gaza, I'll let you keep Judae

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in Samaria. So there was a letter written to that

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effect as soon as as soon as Obama came into

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the White House. You know, Hillary Clinton ripped it up

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so so that that didn't go very far. It was

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a bad idea. In fact, you know, Donald Trump, I've

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been with him on several occasions, you know, in the

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Oval Office where the Israelis have been there, and he's

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he said so many times, why would you give this up? Exactly,

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like why'd you do this? It makes no sense to me,

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Like this is this is pristine property that can actually

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be developed. And it's not the desert, it's not like

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the middle of the desert. It's twenty three miles of

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Mediterranean beachfront. Why would you give this away to terrorists?

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And he's right, he's there, He's absolutely right.

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Well, the thing is so ironic is that you could

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give Jews desert land and they'll turn it into no

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oasis and then everybody will want it. They're just you know,

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the Jewish people have been so incredibly talented and God

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has given them the tools in which to make a

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lot of beautiful things out of things that nobody else wanted.

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I mean, you go back, you know when you read

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the writings of Mark Twain about Israel, that it was

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nobody'd want to be there at such and the Jews

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come in, what do they do? I mean, you know,

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it's like and they make it so beautiful, then everybody

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else wants.

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It's you're so right. I mean, look, during that period

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of time, the mid the mid nineteenth century, it was

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a wasteland. It was a wasteland. Ulyssius Grants went there

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said the same thing, He said, why am I in

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j Rus There's nothing here, nothing going on in Jerusalem.

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Now look at Jerusalem today, right, Look at Jerusalem during

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the nineteen years when it was controlled by Jordan. Right,

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nothing nothing, just a donkeys and camels walking around. Israel

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takes it over. And by the way, it's now open

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not just for Jews, but for Muslims and Christians as well.

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As you know, this land was meant to be under

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a Jewish sovereignty. I would say to you, it's not

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that the Jews are so talented, it's that this is

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God's will exactly. And that's you know, you fulfill God's will,

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good things come of it.

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Amen. Those who blessed will be blessed, Those who curse

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will be cursed. It has been playing out for you know,

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thousands of years. Here one Jewish State, the book last

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best hope to resolve the Israeli Palestinian conflict. We got

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out of three minutes left here, David, I want you

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to summarize it so that our viewers and listeners, you know,

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they you know, for those that they need to read

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this book and Understan I mean, yes, there's a lot

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of stuff out there, you know, uh Talib and uh

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the other Democrats on the left spouting stuff, even the

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kids in colleges today in our universities that have been

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so ill informed and uh, if you want the whole

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truth and nothing, but I highly recommend one Jewish State.

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But go ahead and summarize it. We got two and

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a half minutes left.

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Sure, well, well, look we know it doesn't work. What

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doesn't work is handling the Palestinians territory and hoping that

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they'll build a state that's peaceful because it's been tried.

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It's been tried a couple of times, and it's it's failed.

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So who ought to be the sovereign over the over

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Juday and Saria, which is, by the way, the most

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holy territory for Christians? Andrews right, places like Bethlehem and

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and and and uh and and novelists, or slam where

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you know where where where you know Jesus, you know,

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cured the blind man, right, I mean, it's not just

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not just Jewish sites or or or you know, places

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of great significance.

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Who should be in charge?

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Well, the only sovereign that's the democracy, and that has

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a track record not only of making life better for Jews, making.

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Black better for Arabs exactly is the state of Israel.

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So Israel should be the sovereign over this entire time

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instead of people are screaming, you know, from the river

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to the sea, Palastine will be free. Let Israel be

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the sovereign from the river to the sea. It will

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bring prosperity and freedom and opportunity for Palacindians and Jews alike.

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And it will fulfill the will of God as well.

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And we shouldn't be surprised that fulfilling God's will, fulfilling

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his covenants to Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, fulfilling the prophecies

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to Jeremiah and Ezekiel and Isaiah, doing all that actually

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results in the best outcome, not just for the Jewish people,

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but for all the inhabitants of this troubled territory. Israel

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will know how to treat everyone fairly. No Arab monarch

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or sovereign can do the same. And we've been dancing

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around this issue for seventy five years. In my book,

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I make the point is time to get serious and

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make this the outcome.

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Well, we've given other nation states and opportunity, why not

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the Jewish state?

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Of course?

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I mean is that asking too much?

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Just one?

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I say, that's why you make the point one Jewish state.

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There'll never be a second Jewish state. No one has

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to worry about this expanding. There there's twenty two Muslim states, right,

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twenty two just one one Jewish state, you know on

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land that was as to which the Jewish people have

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a better claim of title than any people to any

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land anywhere in the world.

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Right, Well, can you imagine, you know, for the coming

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generations a chance to be able to enjoy the Mediterranean

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in peace? There and the Gaza. Hey, I'll tell you,

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last time I was in Israel, I was I was

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angry because I couldn't get into Bethlehem.

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David, yep.

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Bethlehem was eighty percent Christian, yeah, and twenty percent Muslim

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twenty years ago. Now, it's flipped around eighty percent Muslim.

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It's that that's something I think that Israel has. The

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if Israel was the sovereign over bethlen which it's not

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Welcome morning, Welcome back. Good to have you within us.

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Bill Martinez here and for more information on the show,

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you can check it out Bill Martinez Live dot com.

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Emerson con is going to be joining us in just

560
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a few seconds. He is with Focus on the Family

561
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and we're going to be talking about, Hey, it's time

562
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to bring your Bible to school days.

563
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It's coming up, right, that's right, bring your Bible to Schoolday,

564
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October second.

565
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Well, in this culture, it's interesting right now too. What's happening.

566
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I you know, I love God's timing about everything. I mean,

567
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who am I to say that I don't because it

568
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always works out perfect At a time when we're finding

569
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you know, millennials and Gen zs coming back to the

570
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church in numbers. Have you noticed the growth in that

571
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particular youth demographic.

572
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That's right, Young people from all walks of life are

573
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coming to Christ in droves, which is phenomenal. And the

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growth of bring your Bible to School day year over

575
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year confirms that we're now at over one point two

576
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million participants every single year in the event.

577
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Well, it would seem that the truth matters again, that's right.

578
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Yes, truth is so so important and truth will stand.

579
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Well, you know it's for a long time, you know

580
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we've gone It just seems like the last decade and

581
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maybe some additional years as well, the truth was so violated.

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You know, this idea that truth was relative. And I

583
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think that the young kids are figuring out. I mean

584
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it's it's almost equational. You can run them, you can

585
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run math equations on this. You violate the truth, and

586
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you come up with rotten results. You know, it's the

587
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old you know, you get out of it what you

588
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put into it. So if you're getting you're getting false information.

589
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Put in well what you to do? This is false

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And I think that the kids are you know, putting

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that logic together and with some deductive reasoning. Oh yeah,

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things that are everyday educational institutions seem to avoid for

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some reason, which I think is absolutely critical for the

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future of kids, is that that should be something that

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they would learn when they go to school, is how

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to think so that you come up with the right conclusions.

597
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Is that fair to say Emerson.

598
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It's exactly right, Bill, and here focus on the Family,

599
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we have initiatives like bring your Bible to School. They

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to bring truth back into our schools, and another initiative

601
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we run here is called Truth Rising. I highly recommend it.

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Interesting. I love this documentary. I love what you guys

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have done with this. This is great. I'm sorry to

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interrupt you. I just had to comment on it because

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I got to tell you, and I've said this to

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several other representatives with Focus on the Family. I was

607
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such a big fan of the Truth Project and you know,

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with Dell Tackett, and in fact, I took it out

609
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to at least a dozen different groups and churches. I said,

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you've got to see this, you know, and because I

611
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thought it was so in fact, to be honest with you,

612
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and I've shared this with our audience before, that program

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single handedly is what brought me back to the microphone.

614
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I went to Bible College, I came in contact with

615
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a Truth Project, and I felt like God was calling

616
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me to get back behind the microphone. I'd been away

617
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from it for a while. I'd ran radio stations and

618
00:31:42.000 --> 00:31:45.759
built sales teams and did that for many years. But

619
00:31:45.799 --> 00:31:48.359
then I felt that God was saying, look at I

620
00:31:48.400 --> 00:31:51.279
want you to get behind the microphone again. And I go, okay,

621
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and what am I supposed to do? Because when I

622
00:31:54.119 --> 00:31:57.000
was behind the microphone before, I was a juvenile delinquent,

623
00:31:57.160 --> 00:32:00.359
you know, playing music and taking requests and having fun

624
00:32:00.599 --> 00:32:03.440
in LA radio. And God says, I want you to

625
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talk about my truth. And so here it is. You know,

626
00:32:07.799 --> 00:32:11.400
now we've got the next iteration of the truth discovery

627
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from Focus on the Family. Thank you very much, Truth Rising.

628
00:32:15.440 --> 00:32:21.240
Right, that's right, yeah, And the whole goal of this documentary,

629
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Truth Rising, is to have that effect that Truth Project

630
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had on you, Bill, and Bring your Bible to School

631
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Day is an opportunity for students to step out and

632
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stand for truth in their schools. It's a way to

633
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live out your faith and the truth that is within you.

634
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Now, when did Bring your Bible to School Day? When

635
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did it begin?

636
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It started in twenty fourteen, so this will be our

637
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eleventh year.

638
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Wow.

639
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I mean you would think that it would have been

640
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something generated over the years. I mean, you know, if

641
00:32:49.519 --> 00:32:52.519
the early founding of our country, you didn't have to

642
00:32:52.519 --> 00:32:54.480
tell kids to bring their Bible to school. They just

643
00:32:54.519 --> 00:32:55.799
did it naturally.

644
00:32:55.440 --> 00:32:58.200
Right, that's right. Yeah, And the Bible used to be

645
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part of curriculums, and when it was taken out many

646
00:33:02.759 --> 00:33:06.039
years ago, Focus on the Family decided, Hey, let's bring

647
00:33:06.079 --> 00:33:08.640
it back to schools. And actually now we're seeing a

648
00:33:08.680 --> 00:33:11.559
growth in programs. Many of the partners we work with

649
00:33:11.599 --> 00:33:13.599
you can find on our website Bring your Bible dot org,

650
00:33:13.680 --> 00:33:15.759
who are working to bring the Bible back into our

651
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schools to study as school material, as it's deeply intertwined

652
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with the history of our nation.

653
00:33:21.279 --> 00:33:24.680
Yeah, without a doubt. And of course this, you know,

654
00:33:25.880 --> 00:33:29.519
this realization again does something significant, and that is that

655
00:33:29.640 --> 00:33:32.720
it ties us back and anchors us back to something

656
00:33:32.720 --> 00:33:36.960
that is so significant, and that the truth is absolute.

657
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And I have found Emerson over the years the people's

658
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resistance and I say people, you know, some thought leaders

659
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and whatever, and people that have reduced and are happy

660
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to you know, keep up with this lie that truth

661
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is relative. Is because truth really points to God, it

662
00:33:54.559 --> 00:33:55.880
doesn't point to anything else.

663
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Right, That's exactly right. And it's no coincidence that Jesus

664
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Christ himself describes himself as the Way, the Truth and

665
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the life. And truly, if you truly, if you decide

666
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to pursue truth all with all that you are, with

667
00:34:09.599 --> 00:34:12.000
all of your heart, I know that you will run

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into inevitably the transformative power of Jesus Christ.

669
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Well, you know, and as you say, Emerson, without the truth,

670
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and I think again, the young people were very restless.

671
00:34:23.760 --> 00:34:25.920
And of course look at the culture, all the stuff

672
00:34:25.920 --> 00:34:28.320
that was going on. You got the trans movement LBGBTQ.

673
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You know on the rise. You know, evil is rising,

674
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I mean clearly evil. And you know, I think one

675
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person asked me, he says, well, how you know, how

676
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can I tell the difference between good and evil? I said,

677
00:34:40.719 --> 00:34:42.159
first of all, if you don't understand what good is,

678
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you're not going to understand what evil is. Right.

679
00:34:44.599 --> 00:34:47.400
That's exactly right, Phil, That's exactly right. And our culture

680
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is so desertly right now needs hope and truth. And

681
00:34:51.480 --> 00:34:53.800
the way we discern that is praise the Lord through

682
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God's word. He's given us all of his words to

683
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discern exactly what he says, what is right, what is true,

684
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and what is good.

685
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You know, we always say in the culture it's never

686
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been this bad. But when you consider where we are

687
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right now, in the embrace of evil, versus truth. We're

688
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definitely at a low point in our culture here in America.

689
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Are we not?

690
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Definitely? And especially in the school systems, it's heartbreaking to

691
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hear about the shootings and the mental health decline of

692
00:35:25.519 --> 00:35:29.840
our students who just desperately need light and hope in

693
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their lives and community. I mean, COVID really messed up

694
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a lot of relationships among students, and now we have

695
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parasocial relationships. You throw social media in there in this

696
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mix and along with puberty that a lot of students

697
00:35:42.079 --> 00:35:46.599
are already working through, and that's awkward. You need messages

698
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of hope in life, like what is taught in the

699
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gospel in the.

700
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Bible right exactly well, and the thing is is that

701
00:35:55.920 --> 00:35:58.519
you know, again, thank God, the young kids are searching,

702
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and I think it's up to faith leaders to point

703
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them in the right direction to make sure first of all,

704
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you know, it's kind of like being on the airplane,

705
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right they tell you that emergency deal when the gas,

706
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you know, the gas masks, the oxygen masks come down,

707
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is that you put it on yourself first. And I

708
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think that that's really a warning that we can take

709
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away in our culture, and that is the faith leaders

710
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must put the truth of the mask of the oxygen

711
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on themselves first. So they must make sure that they're aligned,

712
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that they're not deviating. And I think this has been

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some of the challenge that the church has grown through

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in the recent years, is that it's in the name

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of relevance and you know, adaptation and whatever. You know,

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they they have perceived the Gospel message to be a

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bit dynamic. But as you said earlier, which is key,

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as I go back to what did Jesus say, I

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am the Way, the Truth and the life. He didn't say, hey,

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look it. You know we're going to be able to

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move to the left and to the right and the

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same yeah, day, today and forever. Right, So there's no

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deviation in the character of God or the character of

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Jesus Christ. But yet there are some faith leaders that

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want to deviate and come up with some sort of

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you know, different rendition that is applicable to the culture

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as opposed to be in that agency that is consistent

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and that you know that faith leaders are the change dynamic,

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They're the change catalyst changing culture, not culture changing them.

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Is that fair to say, No, that's exactly right. And

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even though our methods may change as we can evangelize

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now through social media and other opportunities. The message of

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the Gospel remains the same that Jesus Christ came to

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rescue ruin centers like you and me to himself, and

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that is the message we proclaim and we pray all

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students proclaim on Bring your Bible to School.

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Day Well, Emerson Collins is focused on the Family's program

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Manager of Parenting and Youth Emerson this year, I mean

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every year, you know, yes, we bring new ideas to

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Bring your Bible to School Day. Tell us about some

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of the new elements that the kids will experience this year.

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Yeah.

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So, speaking of social media, we have had our largest

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presence ever on social media over this last year, growing

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and growing. We're working with popular Christian influencers among students

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like Joe Christian Guy and Ali Schnacky. It's a great

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opportunity for students to connect to build community and also

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to connect with other believers at their schools before they

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go into the school so that they have that community

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once they get there. One of the other big changes

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of our theme verse this year James one point two

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to be doers of the Word and not hearers only

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and Bill you hit on this earlier, but I really

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encourage all the students and all these faith leaders participating,

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encouraging students to take us stand in their faith, to

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not only bring their Bible and show it to those

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around them, saying I'm unashamedly a follower of Jesus, but

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love your Bible, love the Word and what God is

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speaking to you through it. Know your Bible, and be

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prepared to talk to others about it.

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Right exactly. And the thing is is that it's not

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all that complicated either, right, I remind people. I mean,

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one of my favorite testimonies in the Bible is of

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the blind Man. Very simple, right, this is what happened

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to me. I was, but now I am as a

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result of that guy you called Jesus.

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That's right, that's right.

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And having a conversation about Jesus is so simple, and

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you don't have to have all of the answers. Praise

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the Lord. Especially for the students who get questions they

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don't know the answer to, it's so easy to just say, hey,

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I'm not sure about that, but let me go talk

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to my pastor and I'll get back to you. Or

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would you like to come to youth group with me

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and we can talk to my pastor together. These conversations

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are so easy to have and students, if you're listening

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right now, our parents of students, encourage your children to

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know that they can be a bold witness for Christ

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right where they're at.

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You just speak out your own testimony. What happened in

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your life, How did Jesus change you? That is yours

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uniquely that cannot be taken away? What do we look

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at and that in terms of golds Emerson for this

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year's Bring your Bible to.

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School Day, Yeah, so last year we had one point

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two million students participating and this year we're hoping for

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one point five to two million. That would be phenomenal,

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and we're seeing huge movement and growth. I firmly believe

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we can reach it. Also, See you at the Poll

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is coming up here soon at the end of September,

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and so it's a great one to two puts right.

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You've got see you at the Poll where you can

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go and pray for your schools, and then you've got

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Bring your Bible to School Day just a little over

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a week after, where you can go into your schools

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and be that life for Christ.

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He's focused on the famili's program Manager of Parenting and

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Youth Emerson Collins to wrap things up. Where can they

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go for more information? Emerson?

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I'm Bill Marchese. This SI's Jeffkamp, the ministry leader, author

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and former nfl QB. Hey, mister Jeff, how are we doing?

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Hey, Belle? I'm well, thank you very much.

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Hey, what an exciting time this conference. We talked a

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little bit about it last week that you were at

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and the theme was, you know, kingdom living. Why is

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it the kingdom living is so critical? It just seems

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right now because because of the contrast of not living

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with a kingdom living mindset runs in contradiction to the

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culture of today.

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You know, as I've been thinking about it, and my

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wife Stacy's been listening to a lot of books on

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tape or you know, audio books about missionaries and people

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that gave their life to serve others and bring them

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the gospel. Okay, and you know, they suffered incredible losses,

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but their courage and their determination was so great. It

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must have been similar to Jesus who for the joy

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set before him right endured the cross. So they must

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have had their eyes on a bigger, longer term, greater kingdom.

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And I think the challenge is in America for the

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last you know, one hundred years, and obviously for the

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last forty to fifty, we've had such prosperity and such

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a sense of individualism and self control, like we can

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design our lives and we can make ourselves happy, we

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don't really need God, and even some movements to push

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God completely out, even the COVID movement said, you know, no,

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churches aren't in charge. The government's in charge. People aren't

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in charge of their own choices. The government is well,

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people aren't really in charge, and the government is in charge.

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God is. So I think we've been carried away, even

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Christian people, you know, many of us in the church.

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We've been carried away by the comforts and the prosperity

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and the false sense of control that we can make

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life great here and now, and yeah, I want to

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go to heaven later too. What's happening is we're facing

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the reality that it's not working out. There's high mental illness,

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the suicide rates are high. The philosophies of the world

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haven't worked. Young people are waking up and saying they've

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sold us a bill of goods. I need to find

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something solid that I can stand on that's true. Maybe

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I should check out Jesus. I think maybe I should

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read the Bible and not listen to them say that

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it's archaic and old. So the Kingdom of God is

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upside down to this world. It's inside out. The values

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are different. It's all about the heart, and it's long

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term because it goes on forever.

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I interviewed executive producer for a new movie that's coming

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himself in Auschwitz and he replaces somebody who was was

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going to be sent to the starvation chamber to die, okay,

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and this guy was he had family, had kids, and Colby,

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as a priest, figures, look at these nine other people

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that are going there. They need some spiritual advisement and

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encouragement as they're going down this journey carrying their own

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cross jef. Okay, I mean they're going to the death chamber,

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not I mean, and they were just going to starve

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to death. This was before the gas chambers came into play.

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Colby steps up, replaces this guy, and of course he

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dies with the rest of them starved to death. And

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I think in Colby's case, you know, they were so

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in such a weakened state, and the leadership there, the

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commandant of the prison, was so frustrated. He finds just

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put them out their misery and it was death by injection.

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But still, you know, here is somebody who surrendered his

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life for the sake of another, but also for those

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nine other men ministering to them at that point in

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time when they were all carrying their cross.

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to it.

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But C. S.

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Lewis or someone talked about substitution is the most powerful

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00:49:12.360 --> 00:49:15.480
And it goes back to the Cross. Jesus substituted himself

953
00:49:16.119 --> 00:49:19.679
for us and took our penalty of rebellion and sin

954
00:49:20.159 --> 00:49:24.599
and imperfection, paid it. Maximilian Cole did it the same thing.

955
00:49:24.880 --> 00:49:27.920
He's exactly himself. And you know, the Bible says a

956
00:49:28.000 --> 00:49:31.440
husband should lay down his life for his wife of

957
00:49:31.519 --> 00:49:34.440
greater love has no man for his friend, that he

958
00:49:34.760 --> 00:49:40.360
lay down his life. Substituting is the most powerful thing

959
00:49:40.400 --> 00:49:42.239
we could ever do. And that's what God has done

960
00:49:42.239 --> 00:49:46.159
for us. And that's you wouldn't do that unless you

961
00:49:46.199 --> 00:49:50.519
believed in an eternal kingdom, exactly my kingdom. Living this

962
00:49:50.719 --> 00:49:54.320
upside down. It's basically rejecting the world's way, which is

963
00:49:54.559 --> 00:49:59.159
live for now, live for me, and gain advantage here

964
00:49:59.239 --> 00:50:03.239
and now just power and control and number of followers,

965
00:50:03.280 --> 00:50:07.559
and fame and money get so much attention because we're

966
00:50:07.599 --> 00:50:10.519
all seeking if we do it, the world's way advantage.

967
00:50:10.719 --> 00:50:14.800
So give up now, give up me and give up advantage.

968
00:50:15.000 --> 00:50:17.480
Jesus says, if you lose your life, you will gain

969
00:50:17.559 --> 00:50:21.000
it for eternal, abundant life. That is the kingdom.

970
00:50:21.800 --> 00:50:24.719
You know, Jeff, I know sometimes we can be hard

971
00:50:24.760 --> 00:50:28.000
on ourselves when we hear messages like this because we say, gosh,

972
00:50:28.119 --> 00:50:30.599
I just I just don't measure up. Can I measure

973
00:50:30.679 --> 00:50:33.519
up for that? And the thing is, I ask men

974
00:50:33.880 --> 00:50:36.719
all the time. I'll just say, hey, would you take

975
00:50:36.760 --> 00:50:39.880
a bullet for your family? They don't even hesitate? Jeff,

976
00:50:40.920 --> 00:50:44.639
You know, so I said, think about that. Think about that.

977
00:50:44.719 --> 00:50:47.360
I mean, God designed us men in such a way

978
00:50:47.800 --> 00:50:51.039
that we wouldn't even hesitate. We would take a bullet

979
00:50:51.119 --> 00:50:54.199
for our wives. Think about that. So what does that

980
00:50:54.239 --> 00:50:54.679
tell you?

981
00:50:55.679 --> 00:50:58.000
I think it's in good what you do to encourage

982
00:50:58.559 --> 00:51:01.840
men that you are more no and other centered than

983
00:51:01.880 --> 00:51:03.519
you realize exactly.

984
00:51:04.639 --> 00:51:05.519
The challenge is.

985
00:51:05.760 --> 00:51:08.480
In the short term, would I take the blame in

986
00:51:08.519 --> 00:51:13.599
an argument to end it? Would I quickly apologize? Would

987
00:51:13.639 --> 00:51:16.400
I put the clicker down for the TV? And turn

988
00:51:16.440 --> 00:51:19.239
off ESPN or a football game. If my wife or

989
00:51:19.239 --> 00:51:22.119
my daughter came in the room and said, I need

990
00:51:22.159 --> 00:51:23.760
to talk to you. I have something, really, you know,

991
00:51:23.760 --> 00:51:28.519
troubling me. Sometimes in the short term we don't sacrifice

992
00:51:28.559 --> 00:51:31.559
like we would in the long term. And I'm not

993
00:51:31.679 --> 00:51:34.239
trying to say this to tell us guys, we're bad guys.

994
00:51:35.199 --> 00:51:38.880
I'm reminding us that God is our goodness, and he

995
00:51:39.440 --> 00:51:41.719
substitute and laid down his life. You would do so

996
00:51:41.880 --> 00:51:43.960
for your wife or your daughter or your.

997
00:51:45.320 --> 00:51:46.440
Let's also do.

998
00:51:46.480 --> 00:51:51.320
That in the short term by exactly less selfish, more humble,

999
00:51:52.000 --> 00:51:56.400
less proud. That's kingdom living. Jesus was the most humble

1000
00:51:56.440 --> 00:51:59.559
ever anone who brought us the kingdom and said, it's

1001
00:51:59.559 --> 00:52:02.039
with you now. If you let me live within you,

1002
00:52:02.039 --> 00:52:06.159
you can differently and you can live eternally. That's kingdom living.

1003
00:52:06.239 --> 00:52:09.199
That's what costs, you know, people to sacrifice their lives.

1004
00:52:09.199 --> 00:52:12.639
Doctor King wanted to make the world better here and now,

1005
00:52:13.719 --> 00:52:16.599
but he sacrificed his own here and now. You know,

1006
00:52:16.679 --> 00:52:21.360
through courage for others. Right mistionaries will sacrifice their whole

1007
00:52:21.639 --> 00:52:24.599
existence in America or England or wherever they go from

1008
00:52:25.119 --> 00:52:28.360
to go reach people that don't know the Lord and

1009
00:52:28.400 --> 00:52:31.760
bet we should be missionaries, right, We don't need to

1010
00:52:31.800 --> 00:52:34.559
go to another world. The culture is another world.

1011
00:52:34.920 --> 00:52:38.119
Yeah, well, well we we follow the We follow the leader.

1012
00:52:38.280 --> 00:52:41.599
Who's your leader, Jesus, right, I mean he let he

1013
00:52:41.960 --> 00:52:44.320
led by example. He says, look at you know, we

1014
00:52:44.440 --> 00:52:47.159
got to pick up our cross daily. Uh, you yield

1015
00:52:47.159 --> 00:52:48.960
to the Holy Spirit. You can't do it in and

1016
00:52:49.000 --> 00:52:52.599
of yourself, especially for us, as you know, flawed human beings.

1017
00:52:52.599 --> 00:52:54.800
God knows that. That's why he sent the Holy Spirit.

1018
00:52:55.280 --> 00:52:58.760
And we have to always be open. My encouragement to

1019
00:52:58.760 --> 00:53:01.000
to all of us is to be open to the

1020
00:53:01.119 --> 00:53:03.320
leading of the Holy Spirit, the unction of the Holy

1021
00:53:03.360 --> 00:53:05.559
Spirit that says, hey, Jeff, put down that you know,

1022
00:53:05.719 --> 00:53:09.159
and oftentimes the Holy Spirit will speak very softly, won't

1023
00:53:09.199 --> 00:53:12.840
scream at you started to say, hey Jeff, put put

1024
00:53:12.880 --> 00:53:15.480
down that channel changer, put down that remote for a minute.

1025
00:53:15.599 --> 00:53:17.559
This is important, right.

1026
00:53:18.320 --> 00:53:22.039
And the Bible tells us in Second Corinthians that if

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00:53:22.079 --> 00:53:25.639
any person's in Christ, which means you've been born again,

1028
00:53:25.719 --> 00:53:28.400
you've trusted your life to Christ, You've let the Holy

1029
00:53:28.440 --> 00:53:31.280
Spirit come into you. It's God living in you that

1030
00:53:31.320 --> 00:53:33.840
makes you a Christian. Going to church is great, but

1031
00:53:33.880 --> 00:53:35.760
going to church won't make you a Christian. It's the

1032
00:53:35.800 --> 00:53:39.440
surrender of your life. If any person's in Christ, that

1033
00:53:39.480 --> 00:53:41.920
person is a new creation. The old has gone away,

1034
00:53:41.960 --> 00:53:44.639
the newest come. And you have a mission as a

1035
00:53:44.719 --> 00:53:48.920
reconciler of people to God and reconciler of people to

1036
00:53:49.079 --> 00:53:52.800
people horizontally and vertically. And it says you're an ambassador

1037
00:53:53.280 --> 00:53:54.360
for Jesus Christ.

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00:53:54.840 --> 00:53:56.360
Yeah, exactly.

1039
00:53:55.960 --> 00:53:59.760
Well, if you're a bus driver, that means your smile

1040
00:54:00.039 --> 00:54:02.519
and your kindness and your affirmation to the kids getting

1041
00:54:02.559 --> 00:54:05.639
on the bus is the representative of Jesus that day.

1042
00:54:06.000 --> 00:54:07.559
I have a friend who every time he went to

1043
00:54:07.599 --> 00:54:12.000
a restaurant would always ask the server, Hey, I'm going

1044
00:54:12.039 --> 00:54:13.840
to pray for our meal, but I'd like to pray

1045
00:54:13.840 --> 00:54:15.320
for you. Is there anything you'd like me to pray for.

1046
00:54:15.400 --> 00:54:17.440
I can do it here with you in person. Just

1047
00:54:17.480 --> 00:54:19.480
tell me and I'll pray for you and you can

1048
00:54:19.480 --> 00:54:22.280
go on about your work. He was always being an

1049
00:54:22.280 --> 00:54:25.039
ambassador for Jesus. Pack that up and I've done that,

1050
00:54:25.159 --> 00:54:28.360
you know certain times when I feel the Spirit guide me.

1051
00:54:29.280 --> 00:54:32.480
But every one of us, by our attitude, our kindness,

1052
00:54:32.960 --> 00:54:36.440
our example of forgiveness, are showing dignity to someone that

1053
00:54:36.480 --> 00:54:39.960
no one else notices or doesn't give me to. We're

1054
00:54:40.000 --> 00:54:42.639
being a representative for Jesus.

1055
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Go out there and be the difference. Huh, that's what

1056
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we're called to do. Jeff Camp, ministry leader, author and

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former nfl QB Jeff, as always, I'll give you the

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last word. How people can be in touch with you, Well, I.

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Hey, good morning, welcome six minutes after the top of

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the hour. Right now, I'm Bill Martinez. He's doctor John Lott,

1086
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author of the book Gun Control. Miss Hey, doctor John,

1087
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how are.

1088
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You doing doing great? Good to talk to you again.

1089
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He always good to catch up. I'll Tady's people cannot

1090
00:56:32.440 --> 00:56:37.039
help themselves, you know, they just keep on misrepresenting the

1091
00:56:37.079 --> 00:56:39.480
whole issue of guns. And they don't want to talk

1092
00:56:39.519 --> 00:56:43.039
about the fact that shooters pick these, you know, gun

1093
00:56:43.079 --> 00:56:46.280
free zones. I mean talk about something that I mean,

1094
00:56:46.280 --> 00:56:49.519
how much more data do we need to understand the

1095
00:56:49.639 --> 00:56:52.119
danger of gun free zones?

1096
00:56:52.199 --> 00:56:58.400
John, Well, you know the media plays a huge role

1097
00:56:58.679 --> 00:57:03.159
in this. You and I have talked about this before.

1098
00:57:03.719 --> 00:57:06.920
One of my pet peeves with regard to the media

1099
00:57:07.280 --> 00:57:10.840
is that they just refuse to cover those parts of

1100
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the diaries and manifestos where these mass murders explicitly go

1101
00:57:16.280 --> 00:57:19.079
into great detail about why they picked the targets that

1102
00:57:19.119 --> 00:57:23.400
they do, and over and over and over again, they

1103
00:57:23.440 --> 00:57:28.679
have the same goals. These guys are suicidal. They want

1104
00:57:28.719 --> 00:57:33.800
to go and get news coverage, though they don't feel unappreciated,

1105
00:57:34.360 --> 00:57:36.480
and they know the more people they kill, the more

1106
00:57:36.599 --> 00:57:39.400
media coverage that they're going to get. They explicitly talk

1107
00:57:39.440 --> 00:57:44.760
about all these things. And the thing is, though they've

1108
00:57:45.119 --> 00:57:48.079
figured out that if they go to a place which

1109
00:57:48.159 --> 00:57:52.719
is a gun free zone where their victims are unarmed

1110
00:57:52.840 --> 00:57:56.000
and defenseless, they're going to be able to go and

1111
00:57:57.519 --> 00:58:00.960
kill more people that are there. And the same thing

1112
00:58:01.039 --> 00:58:03.639
is true with the mass murder that we just had

1113
00:58:03.920 --> 00:58:11.480
in Minnesota. That person there in their diary explicitly talks

1114
00:58:11.519 --> 00:58:17.280
about how they wanted to go and commit suicide and

1115
00:58:18.000 --> 00:58:21.280
pick a gun free zone that's there. So it just

1116
00:58:21.760 --> 00:58:24.239
it's just crazy. And yet you would think that would

1117
00:58:24.280 --> 00:58:29.000
be newsworthy. You would think that why you know, these

1118
00:58:29.000 --> 00:58:32.559
individuals are picking the targets that they do, would be newsworthy.

1119
00:58:32.559 --> 00:58:35.079
But yet if you go and did a news search,

1120
00:58:35.360 --> 00:58:38.239
you know, like in the day afterwards where they're covering

1121
00:58:38.280 --> 00:58:45.480
the manifesto in detail, you would not find one single

1122
00:58:45.559 --> 00:58:50.000
news story, not one that goes and mentioned why they

1123
00:58:50.079 --> 00:58:51.920
picked the target that they do because it was a

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00:58:51.960 --> 00:58:56.039
gun free zone. Instead, they'll go into things like, well,

1125
00:58:56.119 --> 00:58:58.760
we think he may have done it at the pick

1126
00:58:58.880 --> 00:59:01.760
that school because his mom used to work at the

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00:59:01.880 --> 00:59:05.599
church there. You know, oh maybe, But that's not what

1128
00:59:05.679 --> 00:59:09.639
he talks about. He doesn't mention that in his manifesto,

1129
00:59:09.719 --> 00:59:13.280
that's there. What he does mention and explicitly talk about

1130
00:59:13.719 --> 00:59:16.280
is that he thought it would be easier to go

1131
00:59:16.360 --> 00:59:18.800
and kill people if he went to a place where

1132
00:59:18.800 --> 00:59:22.000
they went an armed and just the detail he goes into.

1133
00:59:22.119 --> 00:59:24.599
So he talks about things like he doesn't want to

1134
00:59:24.599 --> 00:59:27.360
do the attack early in the morning when parents are

1135
00:59:27.440 --> 00:59:30.320
dropping off their kids at school, or in the afternoon

1136
00:59:30.360 --> 00:59:34.559
where they're picking them up, because he's worried that one

1137
00:59:34.599 --> 00:59:38.599
of the parents there may have a permanent concealed handgun exactly.

1138
00:59:39.199 --> 00:59:45.000
And the thing is, this isn't the only time you

1139
00:59:45.000 --> 00:59:49.880
look at the Nashville Covenant School shooter. She also had

1140
00:59:49.960 --> 00:59:54.039
a diary where she was explaining why she picked the

1141
00:59:54.079 --> 00:59:58.119
target she did. The Nashville Police chief, even the day

1142
00:59:58.239 --> 01:00:02.679
of the attack, he had a press conference announced that

1143
01:00:02.760 --> 01:00:04.880
he had read part of the diary and that she

1144
01:00:05.159 --> 01:00:09.199
had thought about going after basically the Green Hills Mall

1145
01:00:09.360 --> 01:00:12.440
there in the Nashville area, but he decided not to

1146
01:00:13.119 --> 01:00:17.719
so because people there were had guns. You know, you

1147
01:00:17.800 --> 01:00:21.239
allowed the people to carry concealed there, and she was

1148
01:00:21.280 --> 01:00:24.280
worried that it would somebody there would stop her before

1149
01:00:24.320 --> 01:00:27.719
she could kill many people. You know, you look at

1150
01:00:27.719 --> 01:00:33.800
the Buffalo mass murderer right before that, that guy talked

1151
01:00:33.800 --> 01:00:37.559
about wanting to go to a place where permanently concealed

1152
01:00:37.559 --> 01:00:41.000
handguns were banned because that would make it easier for

1153
01:00:41.119 --> 01:00:42.400
him to go and kill people.

1154
01:00:43.880 --> 01:00:44.079
You know.

1155
01:00:44.239 --> 01:00:49.159
So I think the entire gun control debate that we

1156
01:00:49.320 --> 01:00:53.079
have right now would be dramatically different if even once

1157
01:00:53.079 --> 01:00:56.760
in a while the media would go and say, you know,

1158
01:00:57.679 --> 01:01:01.000
this person picked this target because they wanted to go

1159
01:01:01.039 --> 01:01:03.480
to a place where guns are banned because it would

1160
01:01:03.519 --> 01:01:07.239
make it easier for them to go and kill they're victims. Look,

1161
01:01:08.280 --> 01:01:15.039
in Minnesota, if you or I carried a gun onto

1162
01:01:16.039 --> 01:01:20.760
school property, we'd face five years in prison. Five years

1163
01:01:20.800 --> 01:01:25.599
in prison. That's our lives would be completely destroyed with

1164
01:01:25.719 --> 01:01:29.079
five years in prison being a felon like that. But

1165
01:01:29.960 --> 01:01:32.000
you know, in this case, first of all, the guy died,

1166
01:01:32.079 --> 01:01:36.039
which is frequently the case there, so the penalties are irrelevant.

1167
01:01:36.400 --> 01:01:39.480
But let's say the person had lived, he'd be facing

1168
01:01:39.559 --> 01:01:44.239
multiple life sentences plus all the penalties that he's going

1169
01:01:44.280 --> 01:01:46.760
to be facing for all the people that he wounded there.

1170
01:01:48.320 --> 01:01:51.239
You know, the notion that you're going to be taking

1171
01:01:51.280 --> 01:01:54.360
away five years from I don't know his fourth or

1172
01:01:54.360 --> 01:01:58.760
fifth life that's there, It doesn't matter. It's not a

1173
01:01:58.800 --> 01:02:03.079
real penalty. That's so I understand the desire to go

1174
01:02:03.119 --> 01:02:06.679
and create, uh, you know, a safe zone for people,

1175
01:02:07.119 --> 01:02:10.559
But all you've done is set up criminal penalties that

1176
01:02:10.679 --> 01:02:15.000
make it so that the law abiding people who are

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01:02:15.000 --> 01:02:18.119
going to be the victims obey the rules and are

1178
01:02:18.239 --> 01:02:22.039
disarmed and the criminal is is going to be the

1179
01:02:22.079 --> 01:02:24.000
one person who knows he's going to be the one

1180
01:02:24.039 --> 01:02:25.119
person with a gun there.

1181
01:02:25.519 --> 01:02:28.000
But John, they're not they're not even defining a safe

1182
01:02:28.079 --> 01:02:32.280
zone correctly because there's no law enforcement on the perimeter

1183
01:02:32.800 --> 01:02:33.960
to secure the zone.

1184
01:02:34.559 --> 01:02:38.719
Right well, even if there is, so I know the

1185
01:02:38.719 --> 01:02:43.400
bishops there and the church had asked for being allowed

1186
01:02:43.440 --> 01:02:48.480
to have police officers there to protect the schools and

1187
01:02:48.519 --> 01:02:53.079
the and Governor Waltz had said no way. But but look,

1188
01:02:55.000 --> 01:02:57.639
one debate I have and criticism I have of many

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conservatives is they want to have uniformed officers there. You

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see school resource officers. And the problem that you have

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is that people don't appreciate one incredibly difficult job having

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somebody in uniform is and stopping these attacks. Because these

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attackers have real tactical advantages, Okay, they If you're going

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to do a shoot up an area and you see

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an officer in uniform, you have many options. You can

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either wait for the officer, if it's a school with

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many buildings, to move on to another building, or you

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can move on to another building yourself or another target.

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Or if you're going to insist on attacking in that place,

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who do you go after?

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First?

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You're going to take out the officer because you know

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that he's the only person there. The question I asked

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people frequently is, look, we have air marshals on planes.

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Do you think air marshals ought to be in uniform?

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I don't know anybody who would say that air marshals

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is going to be in uniform because if you just

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happened to have a terrorist on the plane that's there, Okay,

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who do you think they're going to take out first?

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Because they know that the air marshal is going to

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be the one person that they have to worry about there,

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and if he's in uniform, they'll go and take him out.

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You know, it used to be that air marshals for

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a while had to wear coat and ties when they

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were on but they're not that many people will wear

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coat and ties on planes anymore, and so they even

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moved against them wearing coat and ties, so they dis

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dressed casually like everybody else on the plane.

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Well, yeah, exactly, because that makes common sense, John, I mean,

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but unfortunately, well.

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We've looked at we've looked at all the active shooting

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attacks in the United States from nineteen or from twenty

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fourteen to twenty twenty three, over the decade there, and

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what we found was that concealed carry permit holders actually

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stopped these active shooting attacks at a higher rate than

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police did. That's partly because of the fact that you know,

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if somebody's going to go and shoot up an area

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and they see an officer, they'll wait for the officer

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to leave, or they'll go and move on to another

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target themselves. Both of those lower the probability that an

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officer will be present when the attack occurs, compared to

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a concealed care permit holder, which they can't know because

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it's concealed exactly somebody's there or not.

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John, we got to go to a quick break. Stay

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right there. We'll pick it up on the other side.

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Welcome back to America. Bill Martinez here with doctor John Lott,

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the president of the Crime Prevention Research Center, author of

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the book Gun Control miss As you were saying, John,

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you know a concealed carry permit, and I want to

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get into that a little bit more because, uh, you know,

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the I guess what's upsetting me is that you can

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have a concealed carry permit, but you better have insurance,

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you know, because.

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You don't know if that's true. I don't think that's true.

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I think the insurance premiums that I've seen are much

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too costly for the benefits that they're Look, the advice

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I based gift people is you know, you're talking about

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a reasonable person standard that's there. And and the thing is, uh,

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you know, don't go shoot somebody in the back running away. Okay,

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you just have to understand that you're allowed to use

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force that's commensurate with the risk that you're facing. So

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if you're a small woman and a big man comes

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up and he's physically threatening you, you know, that's one thing.

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But if you're a big guy and some guy who's

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smaller than you is coming up, you probably don't have

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the same ability to go and do that. But if

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the person has a weapon, if they have a knife

1343
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or a gun or something else, then you know, sure,

1344
01:11:31.279 --> 01:11:33.479
then then you're going to be allowed to do that

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if there's a real risk some a reasonable person would

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think that's a risk of injury or death. So, uh,

1347
01:11:45.359 --> 01:11:50.239
I don't find that it's that useful for people to

1348
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have the insurance because I don't think they're going to

1349
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be charged that much. And and the other thing you

1350
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have to understand is.

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Don't you think that there's some states though, John, some

1352
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states in my different story. Like for example, in California,

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I mean, they you know, it's like you talk about,

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you know, being guilty before you're found innocent if you

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can you know, fight that off. I mean, and in

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some states, even in Florida, we had a situation where

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you know, they confiscated the gun and nothing was fired.

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It was just it was you know, used in order

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to stop a trespasser.

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And so. But go ahead, okay, So you have something

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like I don't want to name names, but I know

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this one insurance place and they have maybe like six

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hundred thousand people that they cover. As far as I

1364
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can tell, they've never actually there's one case that they

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should have covered, but they've never actually covered anybody. Because,

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first of all, when people use guns defensively, about ninety

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five percent of the time, simply brandishing a gun sufficient

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to go and cause a criminal to go and break

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off an attack, okay, and so, and even when they

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fire it, the rate that attackers are wounded or killed

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is well less than one percent of the time. So

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you know, you're not going to be facing either criminal

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or civil actions if nobody's shot. Okay, there's no damage,

1374
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there's no civil damages unless somebody's shot. So these are

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very you know, a tiny percentage of cases where you

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have something like that happen. And as I say, even

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with those, there's this reasonable person standard that's there, and

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I think the vast majority of people, even in that

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tiny percent there, are behaving responsibly and and you know

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they often even don't even get arrested when something like

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that happens. So I'm just saying, relative to the cost

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to the premium, relative to the expected benefit that's there,

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I think it's small. But you know, if somebody feels better,

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I'm not going to stop them from getting.

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Well, well, I'm not. I'm not promoting insurance. I'm just

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promoting the fact that I think that in some cases

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it gets a little complicated where you know, theriff, the

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local sheriff says, hey, look at I'm gonna I'm going

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to confiscate your gun because it was part of the

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case here, and uh, you know, and in some cases, yeah,

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you've got you've got legal you know, you've got to

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get an attorney and that sort of thing, and you

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know you're talking. You know, it could be a twelve

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grand in some cases. So so I'm just saying, is

1395
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that look at having a concealed carry permit.

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Uh.

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You know, it's just our second amendment, right. Why is

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it that we have to pay on top of it

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when we have the right to uh, you know, to

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protect ourselves and protect our property. And this happened, this

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particular case happened in Florida, where you've got standard ground laws.

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Right.

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Sure, but the locals I know you have, you can

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have rogue prosecutors and stuff like that that occur, you know,

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And I'm not saying it never happens. I'm just saying, Look,

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you have to realize we have like twenty one point

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five million concealed carry permit holders in the United States.

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We have twenty nine constitutional carry states, including Florida, your state.

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You know, you have about half the US population that's

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01:15:30.239 --> 01:15:33.960
covered by constitutional carry and maybe two thirds of the

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01:15:34.039 --> 01:15:39.159
land area. And you know, I'm just saying the rate

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of problems, you know, when you're talking about that many

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01:15:42.840 --> 01:15:47.079
tens of millions of people that are carrying. Okay, can

1414
01:15:47.119 --> 01:15:49.840
you go and point to some examples. Yeah, of course

1415
01:15:49.880 --> 01:15:54.079
you can point to some examples, but I'm not sure

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01:15:54.119 --> 01:15:58.600
people should live their lives by you know, those extreme

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01:15:58.920 --> 01:16:00.920
examples that they can point to there.

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01:16:01.640 --> 01:16:03.079
Well, but I think, you know, at least be at

1419
01:16:03.159 --> 01:16:05.359
least be aware of it. I mean I was seah sure,

1420
01:16:05.359 --> 01:16:09.479
of course, that's the reason why, John, Yeah.

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01:16:08.760 --> 01:16:12.039
That's one reason, exactly. And I agree, And that's why

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01:16:12.239 --> 01:16:15.680
one reason people ought to know the law and understand

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01:16:16.119 --> 01:16:18.399
when they're allowed to use the gun and when they're not.

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01:16:19.680 --> 01:16:22.359
So I mean, if it were me, I'd put more

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01:16:22.399 --> 01:16:25.680
weight on training and making sure that they take a

1426
01:16:25.720 --> 01:16:28.800
concealed carry class, even if they live in a constitutional

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01:16:28.800 --> 01:16:31.680
carry state. And in fact, you do see people doing

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01:16:31.720 --> 01:16:34.960
that because they know that if they make a mistake,

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01:16:35.039 --> 01:16:38.439
they could become a felon there. And and you and

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01:16:38.520 --> 01:16:40.520
I don't have data for many states, but I have

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01:16:40.640 --> 01:16:43.399
data for a couple of states where when they moved

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01:16:44.520 --> 01:16:50.399
from shall issue to constitutional carry, you'd see huge increases

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01:16:50.560 --> 01:16:56.279
in the percentage of people going and taking concealed carry classes.

1434
01:16:55.960 --> 01:16:59.600
Exactly, right, yeah, yeah, because there's this level of responsibility

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01:16:59.640 --> 01:17:02.279
to kick and you know, people go look at I,

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01:17:03.159 --> 01:17:05.319
you know, I know, I not only want to know

1437
01:17:05.319 --> 01:17:08.199
how to use the gun, you know, clean it. I

1438
01:17:08.199 --> 01:17:10.239
want to make sure that I'm complying and I'm aware

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01:17:10.279 --> 01:17:12.760
of the laws and that sort of thing, and that

1440
01:17:12.880 --> 01:17:16.119
seems to go along with responsible gun ownership, which I

1441
01:17:16.159 --> 01:17:18.600
believe is the majority of people who own guns.

1442
01:17:19.520 --> 01:17:23.600
Yeah right, No, I mean obviously it's the huge majority.

1443
01:17:23.600 --> 01:17:26.399
I mean, you see two hundred and fifty thousand or

1444
01:17:26.439 --> 01:17:29.119
so gun crimes that are committed in the United States

1445
01:17:29.159 --> 01:17:32.319
each year. God knows how many. I mean, we just

1446
01:17:32.399 --> 01:17:35.560
guessed how many hundreds of millions of guns are owned

1447
01:17:35.600 --> 01:17:39.079
in the United States. You know, you have over half

1448
01:17:39.159 --> 01:17:43.760
the American households own a gun, and so you know,

1449
01:17:44.760 --> 01:17:48.079
whether it's accidents that occur, I mean, you have like

1450
01:17:48.159 --> 01:17:50.920
thirty five or so kids under age ten who die

1451
01:17:50.960 --> 01:17:54.600
in accidal gunshots, and most of those are by adult

1452
01:17:54.640 --> 01:17:58.560
males with criminal backgrounds or other severe problems. So it's

1453
01:17:58.600 --> 01:18:02.279
not you know, these are rare events that have happened.

1454
01:18:03.640 --> 01:18:07.520
You know, you look at the percent of guns that

1455
01:18:07.560 --> 01:18:10.760
are involved in crime, it's just a tiny, tiny fraction

1456
01:18:10.920 --> 01:18:13.760
of one percent. You know, you're talking about hundreds or

1457
01:18:13.800 --> 01:18:15.880
whatever of one percentage point.

1458
01:18:16.279 --> 01:18:19.319
So well, I you know, I thought it was interesting

1459
01:18:19.399 --> 01:18:21.000
John the other day I was reading that you know,

1460
01:18:21.079 --> 01:18:26.119
here in England, you know, anti gun, nobody has a gun,

1461
01:18:26.359 --> 01:18:30.880
you know, theoretically, but people are still getting murdered and

1462
01:18:31.039 --> 01:18:35.079
they're getting murdered by knives, you know, the number one

1463
01:18:35.119 --> 01:18:36.279
weapon too, right.

1464
01:18:36.319 --> 01:18:43.600
But look, they banned handguns in January ninety seven, nineteen

1465
01:18:43.680 --> 01:18:48.840
ninety seven. You can still get like a shotgun in

1466
01:18:49.199 --> 01:18:52.359
the UK, though you have to go through licensing process,

1467
01:18:54.640 --> 01:18:56.880
but you can't really use it for self defense. If

1468
01:18:56.880 --> 01:18:58.680
you try to use it for self defense, you'll get

1469
01:18:58.720 --> 01:19:04.239
in trouble in the UK. And you know, every place

1470
01:19:04.239 --> 01:19:07.239
in the world that's either banned all guns or all

1471
01:19:07.319 --> 01:19:10.880
handguns has seen murder rates go up, often by very

1472
01:19:11.000 --> 01:19:15.119
large amounts. After the handgun ban in ninety seven, over

1473
01:19:15.159 --> 01:19:18.239
the next eight years, the homicide rate in the UK

1474
01:19:18.439 --> 01:19:22.319
increased by fifty percent. It only went down after that

1475
01:19:22.439 --> 01:19:26.159
after they had a huge fourteen percent increase in the

1476
01:19:26.279 --> 01:19:29.199
number of police within two years and an eighteen percent

1477
01:19:29.279 --> 01:19:34.159
increase over four years. You know, you make it increase

1478
01:19:34.239 --> 01:19:36.319
arrests and stuff like that, you reduce crime.

1479
01:19:36.960 --> 01:19:40.920
But you know, maybe Chicago should understand that, huh.

1480
01:19:40.840 --> 01:19:42.880
Yeah, while DC's understanding there.

1481
01:19:42.920 --> 01:19:46.159
Yeah, it's pretty empirical. I mean, you know, here it is,

1482
01:19:46.199 --> 01:19:48.880
this is what happened, and you know, you would think,

1483
01:19:48.960 --> 01:19:53.159
but unfortunately, you know, politics runs deep and along with

1484
01:19:53.199 --> 01:19:56.840
the ideology of some of these governors and their egos

1485
01:19:56.840 --> 01:19:57.079
in that.

1486
01:19:57.199 --> 01:19:59.800
And well, you know, they attacked Trump for being racist

1487
01:20:00.039 --> 01:20:04.720
for what he's doing in DC. Governor Wes Moore, Maryland

1488
01:20:04.760 --> 01:20:08.279
attack Trump for being a racist. But you have to understand,

1489
01:20:09.039 --> 01:20:12.520
we just went through thirteen days without a murder in DC.

1490
01:20:13.279 --> 01:20:15.439
Over twenty one days. It was like two murders that

1491
01:20:15.479 --> 01:20:19.039
had occurred. The odds that you could go for thirteen

1492
01:20:19.119 --> 01:20:22.159
days without a murder, it's like one in eight hundred

1493
01:20:22.239 --> 01:20:28.319
chance there and in ninety six percent of the murder

1494
01:20:28.439 --> 01:20:31.439
victims in d C up until twenty twenty one, we

1495
01:20:31.479 --> 01:20:34.119
don't have data after that. We're blacks, So who do

1496
01:20:34.159 --> 01:20:35.720
you think their lives are saving?

1497
01:20:35.800 --> 01:20:43.600
That are How racist is that? John's being black lives right? Unbelievable. Well,

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01:20:43.840 --> 01:20:46.800
we got to leave it there as always appreciate the time.

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Always great having you on with us. John, Doctor John Lott,

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the president of the Crime Prevention Research Center, author of

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the book Gun Control. Miss Thank you, John, take care.

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Hey, welcome back Bill Martinez here. Great to have you

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with us sharing a party today. For more information on

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the show, you can check it out Bill Martinez Live

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Craig Rucker, the president and founder of the Committee for

1575
01:25:19.840 --> 01:25:21.840
Constructive Tomorrow. Mister Craig, how are we doing, buddy?

1576
01:25:22.159 --> 01:25:24.800
I'm doing great, Bill, joining you for New Orleans here

1577
01:25:24.840 --> 01:25:28.079
at a State Policy Network conference and always a pleasure

1578
01:25:28.119 --> 01:25:29.000
to be on your program.

1579
01:25:29.319 --> 01:25:31.920
How's everything there in Louisiana? Is it's still safe for

1580
01:25:32.439 --> 01:25:34.520
you know? I mean there's just so much debate on

1581
01:25:34.800 --> 01:25:36.960
what city's got the worst crime rate or not.

1582
01:25:37.079 --> 01:25:39.479
You know, well, I'll tell you there are some people,

1583
01:25:39.840 --> 01:25:42.640
especially obviously around Bourbon Street and at that makes give

1584
01:25:42.720 --> 01:25:44.279
the place a little bit of an eerie thing. And

1585
01:25:44.359 --> 01:25:47.720
we don't let our ladies on our staff walk alone

1586
01:25:47.760 --> 01:25:50.199
down there. So I think if they're going to clean

1587
01:25:50.279 --> 01:25:53.279
up someplace, they might want to try New Orleans at

1588
01:25:53.279 --> 01:25:54.159
some point as well.

1589
01:25:54.560 --> 01:25:57.159
Yeah, it might be on the list. And you know,

1590
01:25:57.479 --> 01:26:00.159
I think that President Trump may be just waiting, you know,

1591
01:26:00.199 --> 01:26:03.399
for people. I don't hear Louisiana yelling and screaming, going,

1592
01:26:03.560 --> 01:26:06.800
don't bring the National Guard here, and Dad, I hear,

1593
01:26:07.399 --> 01:26:10.199
you know, from the from the constituents and from the

1594
01:26:10.239 --> 01:26:15.119
citizens in Chicago and Baltimore saying, don't listen to our governor.

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01:26:15.159 --> 01:26:17.079
Don't listen to our mayor. You know, we need help.

1596
01:26:17.119 --> 01:26:19.279
Come in and you know, take care of the crime

1597
01:26:19.319 --> 01:26:21.119
problem here in the city. You know, we can't even

1598
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you know, take our kids to the park. We can't

1599
01:26:23.319 --> 01:26:26.960
even you know, go and enjoy a nice quiet dinner,

1600
01:26:27.000 --> 01:26:30.039
although they're starting to enjoy dinner again, is what I'm

1601
01:26:30.079 --> 01:26:31.319
told in d C.

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01:26:31.319 --> 01:26:35.159
Craig Well, they are actually is of course. Our organizations

1603
01:26:35.159 --> 01:26:38.039
based out of Washington, and it is comforting to know

1604
01:26:38.119 --> 01:26:42.039
you can walk in that town safely. Finally, after all

1605
01:26:42.119 --> 01:26:44.359
these years, I would say, in New Orleans, they do

1606
01:26:44.439 --> 01:26:46.680
have a good governor. And Jeff Landry, he spoke at

1607
01:26:46.720 --> 01:26:49.479
the conference last night, He's very much in the line

1608
01:26:49.520 --> 01:26:53.840
with what Trump's doing. But of course, in these blue hotspots,

1609
01:26:54.000 --> 01:26:56.520
you know, whether it's mostly in the major cities, whether

1610
01:26:56.600 --> 01:27:01.279
it's Chicago, San Francisco, Washington, Detroit, Baltimore.

1611
01:27:00.960 --> 01:27:01.880
These are the.

1612
01:27:01.800 --> 01:27:05.640
Problem areas, and hopefully they're they're starting to take note,

1613
01:27:05.680 --> 01:27:09.279
although we're seeing an election in New York that raises

1614
01:27:09.359 --> 01:27:12.239
some alarm about that. But other than that, I think

1615
01:27:12.279 --> 01:27:14.159
in general that the countries had it on.

1616
01:27:14.199 --> 01:27:14.840
The right path.

1617
01:27:15.199 --> 01:27:17.439
Yeah, it's like, I don't know how much more proof

1618
01:27:17.479 --> 01:27:20.760
you need, I mean, any you know, I mean, and

1619
01:27:20.800 --> 01:27:24.000
I know some people, you know, they flinch a bit

1620
01:27:24.079 --> 01:27:25.720
when you say, well, it's a blue state or a

1621
01:27:25.720 --> 01:27:29.600
blue city, and by that we mean it's controlled by

1622
01:27:29.720 --> 01:27:35.560
the Democrats, and the democrats policies have been consistent, consistently

1623
01:27:35.600 --> 01:27:40.680
destructive and and and this is the shared misery that

1624
01:27:41.119 --> 01:27:45.119
socialism and communism and what you know, the Democratic Party

1625
01:27:45.119 --> 01:27:47.039
has been heading on for a long time. It hasn't

1626
01:27:47.039 --> 01:27:49.560
been that all of a sudden they decided to be socialists.

1627
01:27:49.560 --> 01:27:52.039
I mean, Trevor Louden has been reporting on this, you know,

1628
01:27:52.119 --> 01:27:54.960
for a couple of decades that there was ever increasing

1629
01:27:55.039 --> 01:27:58.840
numbers of democratic socialists within the Democratic Party. And guess what,

1630
01:27:59.039 --> 01:28:01.760
they're on full They're on full display right now. And

1631
01:28:01.800 --> 01:28:04.000
by full I'm not saying f U l L. I'm

1632
01:28:04.000 --> 01:28:06.279
saying fool oh.

1633
01:28:06.840 --> 01:28:09.000
And I can't agree more.

1634
01:28:09.079 --> 01:28:11.560
And I was going to say there is still and

1635
01:28:11.640 --> 01:28:13.439
I think there's always a time.

1636
01:28:13.239 --> 01:28:14.760
For pause and reflection.

1637
01:28:15.600 --> 01:28:20.359
We experienced very big victories last election cycle, and I

1638
01:28:20.399 --> 01:28:22.439
think we can all see the results of that with

1639
01:28:22.560 --> 01:28:25.279
the economy improving, and you know, a lot of people

1640
01:28:25.279 --> 01:28:27.720
were scared about terrorists, but it's proving to be a

1641
01:28:27.760 --> 01:28:31.439
big deal as far as inflation goes, and we're seeing

1642
01:28:31.600 --> 01:28:35.159
steady economic growth. Jobs are a little bit depressed, but

1643
01:28:35.239 --> 01:28:37.760
I think that that'll start picking up now in terms

1644
01:28:37.760 --> 01:28:40.359
of new job creation, but certainly not a lot of

1645
01:28:40.359 --> 01:28:43.479
people are being laid off. Unfortunately, those on the left

1646
01:28:43.560 --> 01:28:47.000
are still conspiring, and we can say that coming up

1647
01:28:47.079 --> 01:28:48.760
in just a couple of months they're going to have

1648
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a major climate conference in Brazil. There's going to be

1649
01:28:52.199 --> 01:28:55.000
a you know, an effort by a lot of these

1650
01:28:55.399 --> 01:28:58.840
countries to try to stop what Trump is doing by

1651
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1652
01:29:02.520 --> 01:29:06.720
done a wonderful job at doing, and rolling back the

1653
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endangerment finding and all these things that are common sense

1654
01:29:10.159 --> 01:29:11.880
that we've been talking about for decades.

1655
01:29:12.520 --> 01:29:15.079
They're not going to take it lined down course.

1656
01:29:15.000 --> 01:29:17.640
Of course, not because it's not about the people. It's

1657
01:29:17.680 --> 01:29:21.279
only about power and control. They don't like anybody moving

1658
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their cheese, and they've worked for decades to get their

1659
01:29:24.600 --> 01:29:27.399
cheese where it was at and they had everybody duped.

1660
01:29:27.600 --> 01:29:31.600
But where's the harm with these policy changes that Trump

1661
01:29:31.640 --> 01:29:35.600
is affected in EPA? Are you noting any kind of harm,

1662
01:29:35.640 --> 01:29:39.079
any destruction that's going on or are things improving as

1663
01:29:39.119 --> 01:29:43.319
a result of these common sense you know, principles and

1664
01:29:43.439 --> 01:29:46.199
policies that are being enacted under this administration.

1665
01:29:46.920 --> 01:29:49.640
Well, the only harm I could say that's being done

1666
01:29:49.680 --> 01:29:52.720
are perhaps some of these jobs related to the climate

1667
01:29:52.800 --> 01:29:59.119
industrial complex. Yeah, government funded jobs that basically put themselves

1668
01:29:59.159 --> 01:30:02.000
in perpetuity in the employment business by coming up with

1669
01:30:02.079 --> 01:30:05.279
scarier and scario scenarios all the time to scare the

1670
01:30:05.279 --> 01:30:08.279
public and the giving more money for this cause, giving

1671
01:30:08.319 --> 01:30:12.159
more money to renewable energy companies, and getting rich off

1672
01:30:12.159 --> 01:30:15.640
the public. But now the Department of Energy just released

1673
01:30:15.640 --> 01:30:17.840
the study. It's the first common sense one and I've

1674
01:30:17.880 --> 01:30:21.520
been studying this for thirty years, headed by five excellent

1675
01:30:21.600 --> 01:30:25.439
scientists from Georgia Tech Judith Curry. They got Roy Spencer,

1676
01:30:25.560 --> 01:30:29.680
a former NASA scientist from Huntsville. They just put together

1677
01:30:30.039 --> 01:30:33.840
some of the top notch experts and actually called into

1678
01:30:33.920 --> 01:30:37.479
question many of the alarmist theories. And boy oh boyd

1679
01:30:37.479 --> 01:30:40.279
now you've got the American Academy of Sciences pushing back

1680
01:30:40.319 --> 01:30:46.439
on this. You have basically everybody panicking because they're basically showing,

1681
01:30:46.520 --> 01:30:49.359
almost like the Wizard of Oz, there's nothing behind the curtain.

1682
01:30:49.880 --> 01:30:50.079
Right.

1683
01:30:50.319 --> 01:30:53.840
Well, as you say, this climate industrial complex has been

1684
01:30:53.920 --> 01:30:58.039
well formed and established, and they've been able to get

1685
01:30:58.039 --> 01:31:01.600
their way for decades. But now the question, you know,

1686
01:31:01.800 --> 01:31:04.560
we're at a you know, you talk about hitting the pause.

1687
01:31:04.920 --> 01:31:07.840
I think we are at a pause to where we

1688
01:31:07.920 --> 01:31:10.640
can stop to look and you know, stop a moment,

1689
01:31:10.720 --> 01:31:13.840
take a breath, and start looking at the veracity.

1690
01:31:13.319 --> 01:31:14.159
Of all these things.

1691
01:31:14.319 --> 01:31:17.600
You know, we have spent trillions of dollars in climate

1692
01:31:18.960 --> 01:31:22.279
policies and all these different things that we've been doing.

1693
01:31:22.520 --> 01:31:24.680
And what do we have to show for it, Craig.

1694
01:31:25.359 --> 01:31:28.119
Well, we have to show that our energy supply is

1695
01:31:28.199 --> 01:31:30.960
less stable than ever if we want to see real

1696
01:31:31.039 --> 01:31:34.800
economic growth. Some people are talking about AI centers coming online.

1697
01:31:35.000 --> 01:31:36.880
They're going to be able to power any of this

1698
01:31:37.520 --> 01:31:40.399
with the wind and solar that they're talking about. They're

1699
01:31:40.439 --> 01:31:43.920
going to need real electricity and so I think that

1700
01:31:44.479 --> 01:31:47.039
you know, as cities are struggling, I mean, have you

1701
01:31:47.119 --> 01:31:50.279
even have whole states actually struggling. California used to be

1702
01:31:50.319 --> 01:31:53.560
a net energy producer. Now it's a net energy importer

1703
01:31:53.680 --> 01:31:56.000
because they've gotten rid of all their power plants, having

1704
01:31:56.000 --> 01:31:59.560
to rely on Utah and Arizona, even Texas to bail

1705
01:31:59.640 --> 01:32:02.880
them out of their energy crunch. These are the types

1706
01:32:02.960 --> 01:32:05.920
of things that have happened, and now we're in an

1707
01:32:05.920 --> 01:32:09.199
era where we can start looking seriously at things that

1708
01:32:09.239 --> 01:32:12.760
we've ignored for a long time, like nuclear technology, which.

1709
01:32:12.560 --> 01:32:15.399
Is exactly the fact. The fact that we have been

1710
01:32:15.439 --> 01:32:19.479
so removed from nuclear development has amazed me. I grew

1711
01:32:19.560 --> 01:32:22.880
up in California. I served in the Marine Corps Camp Pendleton,

1712
01:32:23.159 --> 01:32:25.800
and we had sent on I Fray, you know, right

1713
01:32:25.960 --> 01:32:28.840
right there, just off the edge of Camp Pendleton, and

1714
01:32:29.399 --> 01:32:33.399
uh and it. It did well for California until the

1715
01:32:33.399 --> 01:32:36.039
Democrats said, we know, we don't want it, but what's

1716
01:32:36.079 --> 01:32:40.479
your ideas? What's your replacement? You know, you got population

1717
01:32:40.760 --> 01:32:44.119
increasing and demand for energy increasing, and this is before

1718
01:32:44.800 --> 01:32:48.279
AI coming into play. This is just normal business as

1719
01:32:48.399 --> 01:32:51.399
usual kind of stuff, and the Democrats didn't have a plan.

1720
01:32:52.399 --> 01:32:54.279
I know, I know they put a lot of their stock,

1721
01:32:54.319 --> 01:32:56.640
and if you've ever been out in California, it's actually

1722
01:32:56.800 --> 01:32:59.720
kind of almost disturbing. Company windmills now are not in

1723
01:32:59.800 --> 01:33:03.920
up oration, and they're well yeah, and they're ugly as

1724
01:33:03.960 --> 01:33:07.920
could be, and they're uglying up the countryside, not producing

1725
01:33:08.039 --> 01:33:11.800
very much electricity. And this is a type of thing

1726
01:33:11.840 --> 01:33:14.239
they've done to their environment, they've done to their economy

1727
01:33:14.279 --> 01:33:17.880
and lost population. In the last sentences, it's just not

1728
01:33:18.079 --> 01:33:20.680
been a good scene anywhere it's been tried in Europe

1729
01:33:20.760 --> 01:33:24.800
or in more blop areas or liberal states here in America.

1730
01:33:24.920 --> 01:33:27.600
So well, thank god they didn't destroy the California coast

1731
01:33:27.680 --> 01:33:30.199
land by putting the windmills out in the ocean like

1732
01:33:30.239 --> 01:33:31.399
they did in the East, right.

1733
01:33:31.960 --> 01:33:36.119
Well, they sure tried. Yes, California is fighting back on that.

1734
01:33:36.159 --> 01:33:39.279
But as it currently goes, Trump's pretty much stopped all

1735
01:33:39.319 --> 01:33:42.199
the lea scene of all shore wind all around the

1736
01:33:42.239 --> 01:33:44.520
country and is reviewing the permits of those that were

1737
01:33:44.560 --> 01:33:48.079
approved by the Biden administration. Just about a week ago,

1738
01:33:48.239 --> 01:33:50.680
on the other coast, in Rhode Island, he stopped the

1739
01:33:50.720 --> 01:33:53.800
project to review it, which was almost near completion. Thank

1740
01:33:53.840 --> 01:33:57.880
god he did that, and I think that when you're

1741
01:33:57.920 --> 01:34:01.560
seeing a lot of these big companies, they're mostly European

1742
01:34:01.600 --> 01:34:06.119
firms like Costed, equinor these other companies, they're all going,

1743
01:34:06.399 --> 01:34:09.800
you know, they're in financial troubles. And as a result

1744
01:34:09.800 --> 01:34:12.000
of that, I think it's been good and we're going

1745
01:34:12.079 --> 01:34:14.000
to hopefully see an energy renaissance.

1746
01:34:14.039 --> 01:34:15.960
I mean we got right now, Oh.

1747
01:34:15.800 --> 01:34:18.720
We needed because I mean the bottom line is, Craig,

1748
01:34:18.960 --> 01:34:20.399
we've got to go to break here in just a

1749
01:34:20.479 --> 01:34:25.039
few seconds. But you know what is the uh, you know,

1750
01:34:25.079 --> 01:34:28.479
what's the projection of our energy demands going forward, even

1751
01:34:28.560 --> 01:34:31.000
just five years from now, and can win mil can

1752
01:34:31.039 --> 01:34:34.479
win energy or solar you know, contribute to that need

1753
01:34:34.600 --> 01:34:36.239
and which is going to be a high need. I

1754
01:34:37.600 --> 01:34:39.680
don't see it, No, we can't.

1755
01:34:39.680 --> 01:34:42.439
In fact, our own government says the same thing. Wind

1756
01:34:42.479 --> 01:34:44.600
and solar would have problems just trying to meet our

1757
01:34:44.640 --> 01:34:47.680
current need. When you bring in AI centers, you're talking

1758
01:34:47.720 --> 01:34:51.359
about tremendous in flocks of a much more need and

1759
01:34:51.439 --> 01:34:53.119
that's not going to be met by these things.

1760
01:34:53.239 --> 01:34:55.199
Exactly got to go to quick break. We've got more

1761
01:34:55.239 --> 01:34:56.920
from Craig Rucker after this stay with us.

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Welcome back, Bill Martinez here with Craig Rucker, the president

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and founder of Committee for a Constructive Tomorrow. Craig to

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kind of put a bow around this. You know, we've

1836
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gone through all this exercise. There should be enough empirical

1837
01:39:12.520 --> 01:39:15.800
evidence here that it's undeniable. And for you know, these

1838
01:39:15.880 --> 01:39:19.119
kids that have been in doctrine. I said, these kids

1839
01:39:19.159 --> 01:39:21.439
that have you know, gone to universities and they hear

1840
01:39:21.840 --> 01:39:25.560
you know, all this you know climate Really it's sad.

1841
01:39:25.800 --> 01:39:28.520
I mean to think, you know, they've spent millions upon

1842
01:39:28.680 --> 01:39:34.359
millions of dollars for an education and and they've been yeah,

1843
01:39:34.399 --> 01:39:36.760
you know, they've been sold a bill of goods. I mean,

1844
01:39:36.800 --> 01:39:39.039
it's like, here we are, we're you know, got it,

1845
01:39:39.119 --> 01:39:41.880
We're sending out a bunch of don Quixotes chasing windmills here.

1846
01:39:42.359 --> 01:39:45.359
Oh absolutely, and it's going to say it's the situation

1847
01:39:45.520 --> 01:39:49.520
in our university. So it's improved. They're far from fertile

1848
01:39:49.560 --> 01:39:51.800
brown for our ideas. So just in a couple of

1849
01:39:51.840 --> 01:39:53.600
one of the things we do sc Factors, we have

1850
01:39:53.640 --> 01:39:56.960
a collegiance program where we work with students trying to

1851
01:39:56.960 --> 01:40:00.279
fight the political correctness and all the different things going

1852
01:40:00.279 --> 01:40:00.520
on in.

1853
01:40:00.560 --> 01:40:01.560
The college campuses.

1854
01:40:01.600 --> 01:40:06.079
That is, trying to calculate these very far left ideas

1855
01:40:06.119 --> 01:40:07.560
and green ideas.

1856
01:40:07.079 --> 01:40:07.800
In the students.

1857
01:40:08.600 --> 01:40:12.079
One of them, very conservative Texas at Rice University is

1858
01:40:12.479 --> 01:40:19.800
inviting Michael Mann to their campus in September ninth, very

1859
01:40:20.720 --> 01:40:23.760
very disturbing development. This is a guy who actually hyped

1860
01:40:23.920 --> 01:40:27.079
the whole climate change because he developed the theory we

1861
01:40:27.119 --> 01:40:29.479
call it the hockey stick theory where he sent ventures

1862
01:40:29.520 --> 01:40:32.359
were stable for like ever and then at the end

1863
01:40:32.479 --> 01:40:35.159
they sharply went up with our co two. Well, that's

1864
01:40:35.359 --> 01:40:38.439
theory has been roundly debunked. He basically put two different

1865
01:40:38.520 --> 01:40:41.960
data sets together to create that. It's been rejected, but

1866
01:40:42.000 --> 01:40:42.880
it's used by.

1867
01:40:42.720 --> 01:40:46.600
The un still unbelievable as a valid theory.

1868
01:40:46.720 --> 01:40:49.199
Anyway, they're inviting him to speak and talk to the

1869
01:40:49.239 --> 01:40:54.920
young people, and this is still going on in academia, and.

1870
01:40:54.119 --> 01:40:57.640
It's very in our regular school system.

1871
01:40:57.800 --> 01:41:00.359
A lot of the standards of learning and on the

1872
01:41:00.399 --> 01:41:02.960
state level still require them to spew a lot of

1873
01:41:03.000 --> 01:41:07.000
this environmental nonsense. So first step is what the Department

1874
01:41:07.039 --> 01:41:09.439
of Energy did. We're taking an aim at the science

1875
01:41:09.479 --> 01:41:11.640
and I think it's a solid document. You'll hear a

1876
01:41:11.680 --> 01:41:15.239
lot of yelling and screaming, but some of the conclusions

1877
01:41:15.239 --> 01:41:18.359
made in that that climate change is overblown, that it's

1878
01:41:18.399 --> 01:41:21.880
not a crisis, that you know that none of the

1879
01:41:21.920 --> 01:41:27.520
models seem to be accurately predicting anything. I think it's

1880
01:41:27.560 --> 01:41:29.920
been a long time coming, but it's a very it's

1881
01:41:29.920 --> 01:41:31.720
a breath of fresh air for those of us who've

1882
01:41:31.720 --> 01:41:33.119
been arguing this for years.

1883
01:41:33.239 --> 01:41:37.319
Exactly well, Craig, you and I have discussed this almost nauseum.

1884
01:41:37.840 --> 01:41:41.039
You know that the data is flawed, and it seems

1885
01:41:41.079 --> 01:41:44.479
like so much about information and data that comes from

1886
01:41:44.479 --> 01:41:47.760
our government is compromised. And at the very core of

1887
01:41:47.800 --> 01:41:51.439
all this is that we have officials in our government

1888
01:41:51.800 --> 01:41:55.760
who are rewarded to present this false evidence, to come

1889
01:41:55.880 --> 01:42:01.399
up with these strange policies and ideas and theories, you know,

1890
01:42:01.600 --> 01:42:06.079
from a former vice president on down, you know, Al Gore.

1891
01:42:06.199 --> 01:42:08.600
I mean, it's like, come on, I mean, first of all,

1892
01:42:09.039 --> 01:42:12.359
in the science field, what happened to the integrity and

1893
01:42:12.399 --> 01:42:16.039
the honor of scientists to say, look at we've got

1894
01:42:16.039 --> 01:42:18.760
to you know, we got to follow the facts. We've

1895
01:42:18.760 --> 01:42:22.399
got to keep asking questions. It's you know, all questions

1896
01:42:22.439 --> 01:42:28.039
are welcomed, but when you are buying off scientists, you

1897
01:42:28.159 --> 01:42:32.000
compromise the integrity of the profession. And sadly, this is

1898
01:42:32.039 --> 01:42:36.000
what's happened for decades. And I don't know if you

1899
01:42:36.039 --> 01:42:38.079
have a coming out party of these scientists that have

1900
01:42:38.159 --> 01:42:42.239
been duped, that have made millions of dollars on research

1901
01:42:42.600 --> 01:42:45.319
papers because the government says, look, I need to do research,

1902
01:42:45.560 --> 01:42:47.479
but these but you need to come up with these

1903
01:42:47.520 --> 01:42:51.199
results to support our agenda. And so if you don't,

1904
01:42:51.359 --> 01:42:54.039
then guess what, We're gonna throw that paper away. And

1905
01:42:54.079 --> 01:42:56.560
don't don't come knocking because you're not. There's no more

1906
01:42:56.640 --> 01:42:57.640
research money for you.

1907
01:42:57.800 --> 01:43:00.560
Right, Well, that's been going on. There's been a lot

1908
01:43:00.600 --> 01:43:02.720
of scientists that have said that for decades.

1909
01:43:02.800 --> 01:43:05.760
Nick Linson a MIT mentioned one time a long time

1910
01:43:05.800 --> 01:43:09.199
ago how one of his cohorts at MIT came up

1911
01:43:09.239 --> 01:43:11.720
with a study basically saying climate change is not a

1912
01:43:11.720 --> 01:43:14.520
big deal, nothing to worry about. His money got yanked

1913
01:43:14.520 --> 01:43:18.079
and moved to some other place in England. You had

1914
01:43:19.000 --> 01:43:24.079
one of the foremost hurricane experts from Colorado make the

1915
01:43:24.079 --> 01:43:28.159
same comment that his money was yanked. And so this

1916
01:43:28.279 --> 01:43:30.479
has been going on for decades. I don't know as

1917
01:43:30.479 --> 01:43:33.880
though that's not gonna stop. I know that they've defunded

1918
01:43:33.920 --> 01:43:37.079
a lot of the stuff, but unfortunately the greens still

1919
01:43:37.199 --> 01:43:40.840
have through the Rockefeller Foundation, through the Pew Foundation and others,

1920
01:43:40.960 --> 01:43:43.079
tons of money. If you were to take the top

1921
01:43:43.159 --> 01:43:46.920
ten green groups and what type sort of moneies they get,

1922
01:43:46.960 --> 01:43:51.079
they get four point seven billion dollars. All right, much

1923
01:43:51.119 --> 01:43:54.560
of that is designed to go after climate change. Fighting

1924
01:43:54.600 --> 01:43:56.720
that on the right if you took the top ten

1925
01:43:56.920 --> 01:44:00.680
groups that get into this sort of thing, which would

1926
01:44:00.680 --> 01:44:03.880
include us, but others as well, you're under two hundred

1927
01:44:04.640 --> 01:44:07.640
so it's two hundred million versus four point seven billion.

1928
01:44:08.199 --> 01:44:10.840
And they also got the mainstream media, and they also

1929
01:44:10.920 --> 01:44:15.159
have academia. So you're talking like it's a very uneven fight.

1930
01:44:15.359 --> 01:44:18.119
But God bless Donald Trump. He's taking him on and

1931
01:44:18.159 --> 01:44:21.680
he's winning despite all these things. And I think that

1932
01:44:22.560 --> 01:44:25.039
people also, I mean, it takes a lot of money

1933
01:44:25.119 --> 01:44:27.399
sometimes to defend a lie, but the truth is a

1934
01:44:27.399 --> 01:44:28.319
pretty powerful thing.

1935
01:44:28.399 --> 01:44:29.119
It doesn't work well.

1936
01:44:30.000 --> 01:44:33.119
It's so pervasive. And that's what's coming out, you know,

1937
01:44:33.199 --> 01:44:36.800
in this area you know of hitting the pause button

1938
01:44:36.920 --> 01:44:40.800
right now, is that the truth is coming out and

1939
01:44:40.800 --> 01:44:44.640
and it's making you know, it's waking up the minds

1940
01:44:44.680 --> 01:44:48.399
of the electorate, you know. But it's amazing to me

1941
01:44:49.199 --> 01:44:53.439
is that these these scientists who bought into it, that

1942
01:44:53.600 --> 01:44:56.520
have been bought and sold and sold their souls, you know,

1943
01:44:56.600 --> 01:45:01.880
to know, you know, this climactic industrial complex, they have

1944
01:45:01.960 --> 01:45:03.880
no shame. I mean, it's not like they come back

1945
01:45:03.880 --> 01:45:08.239
and go, oh, hey, I'm sorry. You know, bad bad info,

1946
01:45:08.359 --> 01:45:11.319
bad data, come up with some sort of plausible excuse.

1947
01:45:11.680 --> 01:45:14.359
You know, they just you know, like like convicts, you know,

1948
01:45:14.359 --> 01:45:16.840
they're not about to give up the con right, this

1949
01:45:16.880 --> 01:45:18.439
is my story. I'm sticking to it.

1950
01:45:20.039 --> 01:45:22.319
They're back, as we said, buy a lot of money,

1951
01:45:22.359 --> 01:45:26.000
and they're actually getting desperate. They're actually using school ChIL bernas.

1952
01:45:26.039 --> 01:45:28.359
They did and why oh, oh my god, Brian Bush

1953
01:45:28.399 --> 01:45:30.520
your agenda. They also went and I think it's in

1954
01:45:30.680 --> 01:45:33.199
Washington State. There a new lawsuit that just came out

1955
01:45:33.279 --> 01:45:36.119
saying that somebody died in one of the heat waves

1956
01:45:36.159 --> 01:45:39.399
and they're blaming the utilities and coal companies for damn.

1957
01:45:39.399 --> 01:45:42.880
And they got standing because of the heat waves being

1958
01:45:43.119 --> 01:45:45.640
linked to climate change, which is bunk.

1959
01:45:45.840 --> 01:45:48.079
I mean, you can show through data.

1960
01:45:48.159 --> 01:45:51.000
We produce it every month and seatback dot org, but

1961
01:45:51.079 --> 01:45:54.039
there's other good groups that do it as well. You know,

1962
01:45:54.119 --> 01:45:58.039
anytime you hear something that says it's unprecedented, you know,

1963
01:45:58.119 --> 01:46:00.800
we got a hurricane that hit Florida or a flood

1964
01:46:00.960 --> 01:46:04.800
that hit North Carolina. We try to put that up

1965
01:46:04.840 --> 01:46:07.399
every month. It's called a monthly Climate fact check, and

1966
01:46:07.439 --> 01:46:09.840
you can come to our website at see fact dot

1967
01:46:09.920 --> 01:46:12.119
org and look it up and we will show you

1968
01:46:12.159 --> 01:46:16.279
where hurricanes have hit in the past that are even stronger. Right,

1969
01:46:16.319 --> 01:46:20.359
flooding has occurred in North Carolina, like you know, fifty

1970
01:46:20.520 --> 01:46:23.760
hundred years ago. It's bad or worse. These are not

1971
01:46:23.920 --> 01:46:28.439
unprecedented events, or maybe some of them unprecedented in our lifetime, right,

1972
01:46:28.479 --> 01:46:33.239
they're not unprecedented. So and these times before could not

1973
01:46:33.319 --> 01:46:36.600
have been climate change, because even climate change proponents generally

1974
01:46:36.680 --> 01:46:39.800
use the year nineteen fifty and onward to suggect that

1975
01:46:39.840 --> 01:46:41.560
climate change had something to do with it.

1976
01:46:42.079 --> 01:46:46.039
Yeah, exactly. And unfortunately the media isn't curious enough to

1977
01:46:46.079 --> 01:46:49.439
do any research, you know, they're just they'll go to chat,

1978
01:46:49.760 --> 01:46:53.960
GPT or something and or some other source Google and

1979
01:46:54.079 --> 01:46:56.800
just take you know, the easy stuff. You know, the

1980
01:46:56.880 --> 01:47:02.399
era of investigative reporting is becoming extremely and increasingly anemic.

1981
01:47:02.560 --> 01:47:05.920
Raig, Oh my gosh. Yeah, and in fact they're even disingenuous.

1982
01:47:05.960 --> 01:47:07.239
You know, there was one in a hurricane and I

1983
01:47:07.239 --> 01:47:09.399
think it hit near Pensacola a couple of years ago

1984
01:47:09.520 --> 01:47:10.399
in Florida.

1985
01:47:10.760 --> 01:47:12.880
They said this is on President never hit here.

1986
01:47:13.199 --> 01:47:17.520
Well they're technically correct, it never hit that exact beach before,

1987
01:47:17.600 --> 01:47:19.760
but it did fifty miles to the east and fifty

1988
01:47:19.800 --> 01:47:23.079
miles to the West, so you know, technically they're correct.

1989
01:47:23.079 --> 01:47:26.000
It didn't hit exactly there, but it hit in that

1990
01:47:26.119 --> 01:47:28.119
region numerous times.

1991
01:47:27.840 --> 01:47:31.159
In the past, so they'll do things of that ilk

1992
01:47:31.279 --> 01:47:34.439
that you know are you know just well.

1993
01:47:34.479 --> 01:47:36.199
And that's got to be amazing for you and your

1994
01:47:36.239 --> 01:47:39.439
team because you're sitting there, You're you're fact checking. As

1995
01:47:39.439 --> 01:47:41.680
soon as they throw out a big headline, you guys

1996
01:47:41.800 --> 01:47:43.920
check it out, you post it, but even before you

1997
01:47:44.000 --> 01:47:46.600
post it, you're doing the research to make sure what

1998
01:47:46.640 --> 01:47:51.960
you're telling. You know, your your readership and your viewers.

1999
01:47:52.760 --> 01:47:55.399
You're making sure that what you're putting out there is valid.

2000
01:47:55.479 --> 01:47:59.399
It's it's not more disinformation. And so as you come

2001
01:47:59.439 --> 01:48:02.600
to that revel you just got to be shaking your head, going,

2002
01:48:02.680 --> 01:48:04.159
oh yeah, yeah, there they go again.

2003
01:48:04.239 --> 01:48:05.520
Huh it is.

2004
01:48:05.640 --> 01:48:08.079
And I would say that one of the reasons we

2005
01:48:08.199 --> 01:48:10.399
have to make sure ours is done and we always

2006
01:48:10.399 --> 01:48:13.159
cite the source and we always give the stat We.

2007
01:48:13.079 --> 01:48:14.680
Want people to look it up for themselves.

2008
01:48:14.800 --> 01:48:17.439
Don't trust us, you know, I don't care, uh, but

2009
01:48:18.159 --> 01:48:20.520
we put it on Twitter or whatnot. And believe me,

2010
01:48:20.640 --> 01:48:23.279
the other side, if there is a hole in our argument,

2011
01:48:23.680 --> 01:48:26.359
will fire back, and so will the Washington Post, New

2012
01:48:26.439 --> 01:48:29.600
York Times or anybody like that. So we got to

2013
01:48:29.600 --> 01:48:31.920
make sure that our stuff is solid before we put

2014
01:48:31.920 --> 01:48:32.279
it out.

2015
01:48:33.319 --> 01:48:36.960
Craig, what's going on with the climate campaign lawsuit? Is

2016
01:48:37.119 --> 01:48:40.119
seeking the censor scientists that you wrote about.

2017
01:48:40.880 --> 01:48:41.800
It's a good question.

2018
01:48:42.000 --> 01:48:47.399
I mean, what they the at this particular point, and

2019
01:48:47.439 --> 01:48:50.439
this is something that I think is going.

2020
01:48:50.239 --> 01:48:54.479
To be a technique that they use is to try

2021
01:48:54.479 --> 01:48:57.760
and make sure that, you know, anybody on our side

2022
01:48:58.199 --> 01:49:01.359
that speaks out like these issues, they got to be

2023
01:49:01.399 --> 01:49:04.079
full disclosure if they've ever gotten money from X Y

2024
01:49:04.239 --> 01:49:06.720
or Z, or they've you know.

2025
01:49:06.680 --> 01:49:09.680
Some of their professional background and stuff of that sort. Well,

2026
01:49:09.800 --> 01:49:11.800
people change their minds. They may have been on one

2027
01:49:11.840 --> 01:49:14.439
side one time, and over the years they change their positions.

2028
01:49:14.439 --> 01:49:17.079
It's just all designed to make sure that the Left

2029
01:49:17.159 --> 01:49:20.359
does not, in any way, shape or form, have anybody

2030
01:49:20.359 --> 01:49:21.840
that criticizes what they do.

2031
01:49:22.800 --> 01:49:24.159
To me, it's the old Roman max.

2032
01:49:24.720 --> 01:49:29.560
If you can't silence the message, silence the messenger exactly.

2033
01:49:29.600 --> 01:49:32.399
That seems to be what they're doing, not just on wondering.

2034
01:49:33.159 --> 01:49:36.279
They've been doing it for years, first with the big

2035
01:49:36.319 --> 01:49:40.760
tech censorship on social media, now through the courts, and they,

2036
01:49:40.920 --> 01:49:43.279
as I said, when you've got four point seven billion

2037
01:49:43.359 --> 01:49:45.479
with the largest groups, you've got a lot of money

2038
01:49:45.479 --> 01:49:46.119
to play with.

2039
01:49:46.520 --> 01:49:49.680
Right exactly, And here it is the American people just

2040
01:49:49.720 --> 01:49:53.199
want the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but Greg absolutely.

2041
01:49:53.680 --> 01:49:56.399
So we're still continuing to fight the good fight.

2042
01:49:56.479 --> 01:49:59.199
I do encourage your listeners to check out our website

2043
01:49:59.239 --> 01:50:04.319
at Sea Fact c f act dot org. You can

2044
01:50:04.399 --> 01:50:06.479
sign up for free monthly updates. You can get those

2045
01:50:06.520 --> 01:50:10.359
climate fact checks we're talking about and uh and become

2046
01:50:10.399 --> 01:50:13.039
involved in the issue because I think that until we

2047
01:50:13.079 --> 01:50:16.199
are able to take this information share with our family

2048
01:50:16.279 --> 01:50:20.119
around the dinner table or coffee table and friends as well,

2049
01:50:20.840 --> 01:50:23.199
that's how we're going to beat it. And that's that's

2050
01:50:23.239 --> 01:50:25.840
a long process, but I think it's important that we

2051
01:50:25.960 --> 01:50:26.319
begin it.

2052
01:50:27.039 --> 01:50:27.279
Craig.

2053
01:50:27.359 --> 01:50:30.720
You know, sometimes it's hard for you know, people who

2054
01:50:30.760 --> 01:50:35.640
are reasonable and trying to argue or debate. I mean,

2055
01:50:35.680 --> 01:50:37.640
it's hard to get into a debate with somebody on

2056
01:50:37.680 --> 01:50:41.640
the left because they're so ideologically fixed that they just

2057
01:50:41.680 --> 01:50:44.159
come with headlines. There's not a lot of depth because

2058
01:50:44.159 --> 01:50:47.039
when you start asking them questions and they just throw

2059
01:50:47.079 --> 01:50:50.560
another headline at you, another you know, bullet point, and

2060
01:50:50.640 --> 01:50:54.000
so it's It is a bit of a challenge for people,

2061
01:50:54.159 --> 01:50:56.319
and they've got to understand that if you're going to

2062
01:50:56.720 --> 01:50:59.079
have this conversation or get a debate, that you need

2063
01:50:59.119 --> 01:50:59.960
to be well armed.

2064
01:51:00.600 --> 01:51:03.720
And you do right, you do, And I would say

2065
01:51:04.079 --> 01:51:06.159
it shouldn't intimidate you. It's not like you have to

2066
01:51:06.159 --> 01:51:08.920
become some meteorologist and know a bunch of stats and

2067
01:51:08.960 --> 01:51:11.720
facts and figures. If you don't know, you could just

2068
01:51:11.800 --> 01:51:14.760
take some you know, some of our material and just say, hey,

2069
01:51:14.800 --> 01:51:17.600
you know, I heard something else. Here's what I heard

2070
01:51:17.640 --> 01:51:20.479
about this hurricane that hit there, and that there were actually,

2071
01:51:20.479 --> 01:51:22.119
you know, three more that hit there in the last

2072
01:51:22.199 --> 01:51:24.520
forty years, and two of them were stronger than this one.

2073
01:51:25.960 --> 01:51:27.880
What do you think of this? And just put it

2074
01:51:27.920 --> 01:51:29.880
back out of them, so we've done the work for you.

2075
01:51:30.279 --> 01:51:32.760
In other cases, it's just kind of common sense, you know.

2076
01:51:32.840 --> 01:51:35.840
I mean, I find some of these things that the

2077
01:51:35.920 --> 01:51:37.760
left has put out. You know, they'll talk about a

2078
01:51:37.840 --> 01:51:40.880
melting glacier in Alaska. Well, what they don't tell you

2079
01:51:40.920 --> 01:51:43.640
is underneath that glacier they found a forest and that

2080
01:51:43.680 --> 01:51:46.920
forest dates to a thousand years ago. Right, They're like, okay,

2081
01:51:46.960 --> 01:51:50.199
the trees grow underneath glaciers a thousand years ago. Well,

2082
01:51:50.239 --> 01:51:52.079
of course, not that means Austin' the have been a

2083
01:51:52.119 --> 01:51:54.840
glacier there, right, or you the same in the Alps,

2084
01:51:55.039 --> 01:51:56.479
glacier melted and they found.

2085
01:51:56.319 --> 01:51:59.720
A Roman road underneath. They didn't know it existed, you know,

2086
01:52:00.079 --> 01:52:02.720
Roman mind. Now, these are the types of things.

2087
01:52:02.520 --> 01:52:06.640
That are kind of self evidently true. Viking colonies wiped out.

2088
01:52:06.680 --> 01:52:09.279
They used to grow crops in Greenland. Now they can't

2089
01:52:09.319 --> 01:52:10.199
grow crops there?

2090
01:52:10.399 --> 01:52:10.920
Does that happen?

2091
01:52:11.000 --> 01:52:12.720
But what's that tell you? What tells you a thousand

2092
01:52:12.800 --> 01:52:14.800
years ago it was warmer in Greenland? Right?

2093
01:52:15.359 --> 01:52:15.520
Right?

2094
01:52:15.560 --> 01:52:18.560
So I mean, these are simple things that are just

2095
01:52:19.000 --> 01:52:20.880
if you have on the back of your hand, you

2096
01:52:20.920 --> 01:52:22.920
can just kind of talk that you don't need to

2097
01:52:22.920 --> 01:52:25.000
be a scientist. You can just kind of use your

2098
01:52:25.000 --> 01:52:29.159
common sense and realize that whether change, its climate does change,

2099
01:52:29.199 --> 01:52:32.000
but it occurs not because man forced it.

2100
01:52:32.000 --> 01:52:34.520
It's been doing this for millennia on its.

2101
01:52:34.359 --> 01:52:38.039
Own, exactly. Craig Recker, President, founder of the Committee for

2102
01:52:38.079 --> 01:52:40.680
Constructive Tomorrow. Mister Craig, thank you for being with us.

2103
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Appreciate you. Take care and Bill.

2104
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