Sept. 2, 2025
The Bill Martinez Show 09 02 25
The Bill Martinez Show 09 02 25
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Are you ready?
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Yeah, okay, let's do it.
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Ill Martinez Live a program about current events, our culture,
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our values, our politics, and our future.
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And now Bill Martinez.
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Well, good morning, and welcome back Bill Martinez here. And yes,
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we've got the one and only doctor George Barna with
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us right now. Hey, doctor George, how you doing readdy?
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Well, I'm doing okay. I'm still out of this time zone,
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you know, just go back from Africa three weeks over there.
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But yeah, doing great. Yeah, it's wonderful to be home,
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I'll tell you.
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Well. And thank god you're not traveling during the labor
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day Russian all. But you know, it's just when when
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you're making that kind of link the trip, you just
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take your medication, sit back and try to relax as
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best you can. I get that, those long airplane trips
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they get to you. But thank you so much for
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making time for us and fighting through this. Doctor George
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Barne the director of research at Arizona Christian University's Cultural
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Research Center. He's the author of Raising Spiritual Champions. This year.
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What he's done on behalf of you know, we the
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people and all of us is they have embarked on
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a rather ambitious research program this year, the American Worldview
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Inventory of twenty twenty five, which is a national study
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for strengthening the worldview of Americans. And there's a reason.
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I mean, first of all, the reason this came to
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the forefront is you realize, hey, we got a problem
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here in River City, right.
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Well, we sure do. I mean, you look at the
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fact that you've got about sixty seven sixty six percent
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of adults who claim to be Christians, So you would think, okay, well,
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then they believe in the Bible and that's how they
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want to live their lives. And yet when we look
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at the data, what we find is that only four
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percent of adults in America have a biblical worldview. Now,
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all that means is that you possess pretty much the
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same beliefs that Jesus had, and because we do what
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we believe, that would then imply that, okay, then you're
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going to live like him too, because you're going to
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take those beliefs converted it to that kind of lifestyle.
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But you know, when you've only got four out of
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every one hundred adults in America who have a biblical worldview,
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only eleven percent of the people who regularly attend Christian churches.
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So me, twelve percent of the people who we would
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call theologically defined born again Christians have a biblical worldview.
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Seven out of eight of them don't. So there's been
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a huge mismatch between who we say we are and
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what we believe in how we live. So that's why
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we do this kind of research. We've doing it every
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year now for the last six years, tracking what's been
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going on, and what we've discovered is that that incidence
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of biblical worldview has been declining. And as we find
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that the Baby Boom generation, the older generation in America
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is dying off a little bit every year, well that
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number continues to go down because boomers had the highest
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level of biblical worldview, and as you progressed to younger
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and younger generations, we find that each succeeding generation has
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a lower incidence of biblical worldview. So, for instance, as
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Gen Z becomes a larger part of the population, the
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biblical worldview incidence declines because only two percent of them
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have a biblical worldview. So we're not moving in the
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right direction, and we want to be able to show, well,
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why what is it that we believe or we don't believe.
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How does that then impact the way that we live
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and so many of the social issues that we're wrestling
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with in America today, we're wrestling with them, whether it's transgenderism,
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whether it's being pro choice. You know, all of these
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kinds of things have to do with worldview.
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In your research, did you find a kind of a
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lynch pan or a specific tipping point that really started
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to exacerbate this decline or was it just a natural erosion?
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Well, actually, Bill, we found that there are seven particular
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beliefs that form the foundation of a biblical world view,
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and those would be having an orthodox biblical understanding of
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who God is. Secondly, would be understanding that we're born
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into sin, it's part of our human nature, and it's
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got consequences. Thirdly, is recognizing the only way you can
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deal with those consequences of sin is by embracing Jesus
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Christ as your Lord and savior, confessing your sins to him,
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asking him to forgive you for those sins and to
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raise you up to be a real follower of his.
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You know. A fourth foundation would be saying that there's
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no such thing as absolute moral truth. I mean, that's
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not biblical and yet that's what most of me Ericans believe.
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So recognizing that there is absolute moral truth. Fifthly, recognizing
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that you can identify those truths through the scriptures. It's
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the Bible that helps us to know the difference between
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something that's moral and in moral right and wrong, and
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so forth. You know. A sixth element would be recognizing
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that God calls all of us to be successful, but
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that doesn't have anything to do with money or position,
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or status or prestige. It only has to do with
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consistent obedience to God. That's what success in life is.
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And then seventhly, recognizing that our purpose in life is
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to know, love and serve God with all our hurtline, strength,
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and soul. So those seven things, what we've been doing
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is tracking many more things than that, but we've seen
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all of those on the decline, and so that's what's
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really When you take away the foundation, you've got nothing
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to build on, and you had built is going to collapse.
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And that's the story of Christianity in America today.
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Yeah, when you go back, and I always start within
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the beginning, you know, you go to the book of Genesis,
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and God told Adam told Adam specifically, if you eat
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of the tree of Good and evil, surely you will die.
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And of course then Satan comes in and says, did
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God really say? And then what? Then they partake and
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maybe in an instant they didn't quite realize what God
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meant by surely you would die, and it really imparted
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on the rest of humanity from that day forth. And
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tell Jesus a death sentence, didn't it?
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Well, it really did. And that helps to explain why
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the fastest growing faith in America today is what I've
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called the don'ts the people who don't know if God exists.
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They don't believe that God exists, and they don't care
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if God exists. And the reason for all of that
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is because we've now made life to be about us
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rather than the one who created us and who created
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us with his purpose for our life. Instead, what we've
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said is now we're really the center of things. We're
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going to do what makes us happy, and that's going
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to be the basis of our life. So yeah, I mean,
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when you take God out of the equation as completely
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as we're doing in America today, you can't help us
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see the society collapse.
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Well, God gave us a conscience. And so basically what
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Paul warned us about in searing that conscience, as you're
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pointing out, is that as we continue to turn our
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back on God, we sear that part of that God
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conscious that makes us, you know, decidedly and purposely unaware
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of God's salvation and his solution to what happened in
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the garden all those years ago.
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Right absolutely, And this year in particular, we started focusing
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on some of these what we call seven cornerstones of
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a biblical worldview. So the American world view in Mentory
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this year has been focusing on things like truth and
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sin and salvation, some of the core elements of what
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we have to believe to get life right. And of course,
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what we're finding is that people instead of saying, yeah,
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I'm going to look for truth in God's word, what
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they're saying is, I'm going to look for truth inside
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myself and based on my feelings, all know whether or
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not something is right or wrong. And then we look
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at things like sin, and we're finding that such a
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huge proportion of Americans, well, they believe that sin is real,
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they believe it exists, but they don't believe it's pertinent
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to them because they're not sinners. Those other people who
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are sinners, and they've got to deal with it, And boy,
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I sure wish they would, because they make my life
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a lot better. I feel pretty good about myself, but
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I don't feel very good about those other sinners out there.
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So I mean, that's kind of the prevailing mentality in
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America that it's not a me problem, it's a them problem.
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Yeah, it's amazing how that has crypt it. But that's
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the nature of man outside of God, right, I mean,
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because well, you know, let's get again, we go back
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to the garden. You know who did Adam blame? Oh
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that woman. It's that woman you gave me.
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It's true. And we're still doing that today, you know.
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And part of the reason I can't help but feel
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is because people don't really spend much time reading the Bible.
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People spend less time studying the Bible, and we spend
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even less time than that reflecting on what it all
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means and then trying to take it and integrated into
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our lives. When we measure worldview, we have three different
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categories of the population. We've got what we call integrated disciples,
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emergent followers, and world citizens and integrated disciples are the
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people who have a biblical worldview that four percent of
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the population and what we name them that because what
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we noticed in the research is that people have the
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mindset of Jesus. Aren't content just to say, oh, I
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know what he thinks. Their thrust in life is to
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figure out how can I integrate that into everything I
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think can.
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Do exactly George, we got to go to a quick break.
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We'll pick it up on the other side. More from
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George barn after this stay with us.
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