Aug. 19, 2025

The Bill Martinez Show 08 19 25

The Bill Martinez Show 08 19 25
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The Bill Martinez Show 08 19 25
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Are you ready? Yeah, Okay, let's do it.

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Ill Martinez Live a program about current events, our culture,

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our values, our politics, and our future.

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And now Bill Martinez.

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Welcome morning America. IM good to have you with us

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six minutes after the top of the out right Now.

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I'm Bill Martinez. He's doctor Robert Marbert, a former Homeless Czar,

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which is well, I'm saying it's going to be an

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interesting conversation because of President Trump's latest executive order. Roberts

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also with the Discovery Institute as a senior fellow. Robert,

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glad that you're on the other side of your travel

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issues that you were dealing with today and glad to

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have you on the show. How are you doing, sir?

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Thank you very much for having me on again. Really

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appreciate it.

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Well. I mean for you as a former executive director

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of the US Inner Agency Council on Homelessness. When we

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say you are the Homeless Czar, You've got a lot

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of experience there, and you operated under a Republican and

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a Democrat administration, and as I mentioned earlier, senior fellow

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with the Institute's long running Fixed Homelessness Initiative, which is

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focused on the root causes of homelessness. I'm so glad

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that you're here to talk about it because this is

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a very complex issue and there's a lot of contributing

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factors to homelessness today, right.

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Absolutely, And when you think about homelessness, most of the

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people go to what I call the two categories of

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street level homelessness, which is literally the people living on

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the street, the people were seeing, the people that are

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you know, have the different petty crimes that are going

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on that are under the bridge, but they're also you know,

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pooping and peeing in front of daycare centers and churches

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and synegidus in downtown and tourist areas. And what the

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I always try to remind everybody. In twenty thirteen, President

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Obama and Vice President Biden promised the American people that

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if we moved to that they wanted to totally change

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how we address homeless and it was what's called so

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called harm reduction, which there's I think it's actually harmful,

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but they call it harm reduction. And it was called

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housing First, and they said homelessness as we know it

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would end in ten years if we all bought into

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this experiment they had. We did it, got into it,

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and homelessness within eighteen months started to really rise. And

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was what they did, in the simplest terms, is they

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took all the money that was out of mental health,

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behavioral health, and substance use treatment. They took all that

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money cannibalized that so they can give more vouchers faster,

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and so in other words, more taxpayers subsidized housing rather

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than treating the root cause. And I felt way back

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when I spoke against it before it happened, when it happened,

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because I said, it doesn't make sense clinically, and it

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doesn't make sense at a common sense level. And then,

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as we all know, it's spiraled up. And then since

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then they triple the amount of money being spent, and

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that then it make it better. And so that's how

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we got to where we are.

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Well, that's the thing that is so frustrating with progressives

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because they always say we need more time and need

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more money, and no matter how much time or money

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you give them, it seems to exacerbate the problem because

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we operate. And this is my humble opinion, you've got

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a lot more experience on it. I'm just as an

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observer and taxpayer over the years I just see that

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we operate more in the theoretical at the expense of

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the practical.

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Well, I'll even go a step further. Some of this

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is operating in the ideological rather than the common sense

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or in this case clinical. And they people were telling

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them it wasn't working, you know, And in the beginning

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a lot of people bought in. I never bought in.

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I just thought it was dumb. It was stupid. And

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then when they ended up putting three times more funds

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into it, and in essence, they were measuring two things,

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how fast they could grow the welfare role of not

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how many people got out of homelessness forever, it was

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how many housing units that are taxpayer subsidized can we

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give it? Literally, they started measuring the number, which is

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to me, the wrong metric. And then they started to

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measure how fast you could get a house so instead

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of how well your housing placement was. And so the

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metrics were bad from the get go, and throughout the

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process they said, well, we understand it doesn't seem to

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be working. But to your point, they kept saying, just

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give us more money, and we gave them three times

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more money and it hasn't worked. And That's what's so

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exciting about President Trump's executive order is it stops that

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in the tracks and it says we are going to

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stop doing this, and we're going to start doing this.

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And they're actually going to the way the order is written,

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and it's just brilliant, President Trump. They're going to take

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the money from the harm reduction as all the grants

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come up and roll them into programs that focus on

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treatment and recovery.

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So when you look at homelessness today, what makes up

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that universe? You started to delineate early on when we

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first started talking. But I want our audience to understand

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homelessness because, like you said, everybody has a different perception

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of what it is. But boy, there's a lot of

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diversity within that category.

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Right.

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It is that homelessness is not homoch genius. It's not

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everybody's same. So just a quick fifteen second premier.

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You can take thirty you take thirty seconds.

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Okay.

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So HUD has five categories that they cohorts they track.

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Department of Education has five and Department of EDGs is

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really family and children. That's what they measure. HUD measures

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primary the single adults and the married and coupled up adults,

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so single male, single females over eighteen and so each

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have a five.

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There.

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Now, within HUD they have two categories. One is literally

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living on the street that their technical term is unhoused homeless,

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and then the people that are in and out of

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emergency shelters. And what we know scientifically these two categories

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are really the same. It depends on the time of

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month you measure, because they get money at the beginning

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of the month, and so they might go rent an

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apartment together. They run out of money in seven or

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eight days, they go to the street. Weather it gets bad,

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they go in an emergency shelter, whether it gets good,

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they come out. So what we know from this and

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the largest study ever done, and I love the fact

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that the largest ever ever done was not by a

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right wing think tank. It was a left wing thing tank,

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cow Policy Lab, which is a joint venture of UC

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Berkeley in UCLA.

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So no, who would have thunk, right, Yeah, who.

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Would have thought Discovery? You know, it's not a Discovery Institute,

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Heritage Manhattan, Cicero. It is a left wing and sixty

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four thousand people they studied, and it was actually an

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incredibly well studied and what they found, three fourths have

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untreated mental illness, three forths have substance use disorder and addiction.

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A lot of that is co presenting, obviously, but not all.

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And there is a small group, you know, ten to

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fifteen percent that don't have either. That that is true,

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but it's one tenth of the problem. And when I

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deal with public policy, I always start with the biggest problem,

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biggest rock first. Then I moved to the next rock,

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to the next rock, So you're now getting the stones

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and pebbles and sand. But you don't start with the

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ten percent and back into it because that ten percent

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supports their ideology, but the seventy five and seventy five

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percent actually goes against their ideology, so they don't want

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to go there. And so if we don't address the

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substance use, we are not going to solve the street

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level homeless. And right now most of America street level

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homeless is doubling every four, five and six years. And

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under President Biden is very last report and you can't

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make this stuff up. The very last report he released

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on the numbers was a Friday between Chris in New

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Year's You know, if you want to really bury something.

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The only thing they could have done was done it

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at five o'clock, you know.

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Exactly, and they talk to Margaret. We got to go

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to quick break. We got more from doctor Robert Marviad

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We're back with you, Bill Martinez here along with doctor

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Robert Marbat, the former homeless czar in Discovery Institute senior fellow. Anyway,

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I'm sorry we had to go to quick break, but

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to go ahead and pick up on the story. So

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here they tried to hide this news.

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That they totally hit the news. And what they what

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we know from their data, is they're now doubling. Under

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their data, street level homeless is doubling every five years nationwide,

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and there's some places like Seattle, it's like three point

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seven years. Other places are more like six years. But

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the fact you're doubling, you're not we do not end

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it homeless. We're doubling, and so.

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It's like we're incentive, we're incentivizing.

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It absolutely and I always use sort of the common

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sense tests. Would would you would your public policy that

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we developed, would you, as you know, sort of a

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family member, would you apply that to somebody in your family.

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So let's talk about the substance use part of the

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harm reduction connected to this policy that the President directly

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addresses in the second part of his executive order. Right,

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we have been making it so easy to get high

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in America and so hard to get treatment. We have

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been fought for people experiencing addiction and substance use disorder.

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They said, we're going to give you safe supply of drugs,

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not treatment and recovery. We're going to use taxpayer dollars

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to enable your drug use to quote make it safe.

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And maybe you could do that with we Maybe you

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could even do that with you know, very the weekend cocaine.

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You can't do that with ventanyl And you and I

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have talked about that before. That was the most deadly drug,

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elica drug ever invented in the history of the world.

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And they're saying, let's in the and everybody saw it.

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We did a documentary about it in San Francisco where

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twenty six million dollars of the Health authority created a

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place for people to come shoot up and do ventanyl

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and shoot up snorted, you know, smoke it.

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A taxpayer's expense. All we love this country.

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Yeah, and so how wit to the common sense test?

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If you had a child that you loved, would you say,

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you know honey or son or you know, you know tiger,

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whatever your nickname is for your ghiddo. You know, we

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know you have an addiction problem. So until you're ready

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to get recovery, we're gonna help get you some fentanyl,

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and we're gonna help get you the paraphernalia, and we're

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gonna help you go. And by the way, we know

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where you can go shoot and you won't get arrested,

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you won't get hassled by Please you shoot up or

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smoke up or took up or take the pill whatever.

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No parent who loves their child would say, let me

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give you more drugs when you have an addiction problem.

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No parent that would ever do that. They would say

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the opposite. They would go in and interdict, say let's

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get you in a treatment program. Let's drive you right

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now to come down and pick you up. But the

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federal government, the nanny state, you know, that has just

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gone amuck with putting most of the money. And when

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I say most, in places like California, Washington State, Oregon,

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it's like ninety nine percent into being able to do

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more drugs and we'll give you a free apartment to

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do it in rather than a real treatment program twenty

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four to seven that addresses the core issue. Then once

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we get through that, then we start on your job training,

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We start on your employment when we start moving towards

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self sufficiency and becoming a productive taxpayer of our country.

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Right exactly so with the homelessness this category, you're saying

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roughly seventy five percent of those that are out in

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the street are addicted. Is that what you're saying?

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Over seventy five percent? And if the study was done

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Preach twenty nineteen, and the reason why that's important, that's

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before the wave of fetnol. I think if we repeated

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the study, I think it would be higher than seventy

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five percent. But that was seventy five percent, and again

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not by Discovery Institute. That's seventy five percent from UC Berkeley, UCLA.

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How do you you know, how does the less that

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they're and like ignore that that's from their team not us.

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Right, what a huge discovery. I mean, And then again

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when you look at what Donald Trump has done, you

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know for this particular category, I mean, because I mean,

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these are real human beings. These are our sons and

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daughters that are out there that are suffering like this,

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and we've just made some wrongheaded decisions here and trying

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to help them out. But thank god, we're doing something

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about it now.

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I'm so thankful in you know, you know, applaud the President.

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I don't even know what words to use. I just

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hit to take this on and well we're just getting hope. Yeah,

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And it's not only we're making the turn, but we're

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reinserting common sense and we're reinserting sort of clinical practices

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into this rather than saying, let's give more drugs to

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the addicted. Where in the world, how did we get

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so far off the rails that that state and city

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after city we're doing it. And then you know, the

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candidate for mayor that everybody's talking about up in New York,

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he came out last week and said, we need to

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create a huge pot of money so we can have

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sites for people to safely consume drugs. That tells me

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he has no idea what ventanyl is the chemistry of fentanyl.

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He has not been on the street to see it.

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Because in anybody has seen people in the fetnel bin

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or die of fentanyl would sit there and go, you

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can't make fentanyl safe. There's no way you can make

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fentanyl safe. We need to get people in treatment, stop

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wasting money on drug. Pair of finialia.

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Well, and look what's happening now. We're getting reports that

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even people have thought smoking pot was harmless. I mean,

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you're getting a lot of bad news about it right now.

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And as you and I discussed the last time, is

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that some of these distributors are cutting the pot with

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if that's the correct term, with fentanyl. They're adding fentanyl

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with with the marijuana.

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We need to get you on the street. The term

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is lacing.

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That's okay, all right, get me on this. Well you

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may have you may have told me before, but when

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you only come and talk to me about every three months,

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you know, I.

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Yeah, but you know what I mean.

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And and the other thing is because of you know,

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the the heat lamps and the humidity and all that,

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it's made potency. You know, in the nineteen eighties to now,

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most of the weed in America around the country is

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about three times more potent. Some places it's four, so

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it's more potent just naturally. Then you lace this stuff in,

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like really bad stuff in and then you might even

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put in some psychedelics in it. That's sort of the

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newest thing starting to happen. And so it's no wonder

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that people used to say, well, pot's just like alcohol,

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it does no harm. But you're starting to find out

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it really creates a psychosis, a paranoia. That's sort of

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the pot users. That's the thing you see the most

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is is paranoia, and it makes you an unproductive citizen,

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and it makes you where you can't keep a.

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Job, right exactly, Well, Robert, we got two minutes left

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here and this has been great. Thank you. I appreciate it.

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And now I know I'm going to use lacing now

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keep me off the street. But no, I understand that

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this is the word for the day, lacing, all right,

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But what about the rest of these young people who

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are homeless because of the affordability issue.

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What we see is there is a group that's where

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affordability does matter, and it's actually mostly on the family

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and children's side. And I'm going to give you sort

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of not the only category, but the you know, the

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pre eminent category, the one with the highest number. It's

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a single mom who has children under the age of eighteen,

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and she's clean and sober and has a job, but

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her partner hasband, boyfriend, got into drugs it, you know,

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starts beating and abusing family members. She breaks away with family,

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but now she's lost half the income. That group affordability

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is absolutely a real story. But the great thing about

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these moms who are so productive and so focused and such,

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if you can give them just some short term help,

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they're gonna get back themselves. They don't want handouts for

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the most part. I mean that this is at these moms.

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You go through that and are clean and sober and

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have a job. They're tough. They just need a little

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help and they'll get through it.

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Yeah, we'll. Cost of living has been going of course

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the last four previous years. I think again, we have

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some hope with the current economy things that are happening

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there to where we can we can afford eggs. I

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mean for a while there we couldn't afford eggs.

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Robert, Oh, yeah, exactly.

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Well, look at we got to leave it there. Can

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I thank you enough for coming on. Look forward. We've

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got to connect a little bit sooner than you know,

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four or five months, and then you can give me

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another word for the day that I need to be

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as well.

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Take you on the street and get you out, you know,

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watching the dealing, and you'll you'll get all the new terms.

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Well, you know, I got to tell you when my

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wife and I were in southern California the last time,

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down in downtown Los Angeles and that road all the time,

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because I used to work at a radio station right

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there off of Alvarado and also in Sunset, right in

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the middle right. So we go there and I'm going, oh,

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my good, I couldn't believe all the tents under the

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overpasses and how much had it gotten. And we used

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to do a lot of work, you know, downtown in

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the rougher areas, you know, with with homelessness and with

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Fred Jordan ministries, and we we saw it there, but

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I just couldn't believe that there was out on the

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freeway and the overpasses, and so I just was amazed.

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And then of course the numbers in LA had gotten

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to the point where it's like over seventy thousand homeless people,

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and I'm sure that number has increased all the more.

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So thanks for having me on. Really appreciate it. Most importantly,

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thank you for caring about this issue.

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No, this is this is precious to me and I

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appreciate it, and we'll stay in touch. Doctor Robert Marbert

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has been our guest. He's a former Homeless czar and

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Discovery Institute senior Vellow Robert, thank you, take care, be well.

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Good morning.

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Good to have you with us. Film Martinez here along

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with Rachel O'Brien from openthebooks dot com. Rachel, good morning,

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How are you?

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Good morning, Bill? I'm great, Thanks for having me.

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AUTEA A lot to talk about, but first of all,

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this is the anniversary of Adam, your founder and I

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just you know, we just miss him so much, and

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you know it's got to be really tough on everybody

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in one respect to look back and say we miss Adam,

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but also that he would not be disappointed that those

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that he left in charge were able to pick up

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the ball and keep it moving.

503
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Absolutely. Yeah, Adam passed away quite suddenly last year. He

504
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was an avid runner, a marathon runner he's actually training

505
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for I think it was his fifth marathon when he

506
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passed away, and so it was it was shocking to us,

507
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for sure. Adam started Open the Books in twenty eleven

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really himself and one other person, our COO, Craig Majarres.

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They founded it together at their at Adam's kitchen table,

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and so you know, it started as a very small organization.

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We grew.

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We're still very small, and you know, we've been able

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to do all of the things that Adam was doing

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when he was alive. We're still filing about fifty five

515
00:29:16.440 --> 00:29:20.200
thousand freedom of information requests every year. We're obviously putting

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out reports on what we're finding on what the federal

517
00:29:22.880 --> 00:29:25.559
government and state and local governments are spending, how they're

518
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spending and misusing your taxpayer money. And so I really

519
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do hope Adam would have been proud that we're that

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we're continuing the mission.

521
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Well, it's been an incredible legacy that he has, you know,

522
00:29:39.440 --> 00:29:42.960
transferred the baton Adam n Javski, you know who were

523
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talking about, and you know, he was just such a

524
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it's just a great man, I mean, a father, you know,

525
00:29:51.960 --> 00:29:55.559
all down the line. I mean and I and I

526
00:29:55.640 --> 00:29:58.319
know everybody missed I miss I miss him as well,

527
00:29:58.759 --> 00:30:01.880
because he was all I mean, he brought whenever he

528
00:30:01.920 --> 00:30:04.400
came on the show, just just like you've you've been

529
00:30:04.440 --> 00:30:07.640
carrying the tradition Rachel of Opened the Books is you've

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honestly bring forward the receipts to be able to present

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the story so the American people are well informed, which

532
00:30:14.799 --> 00:30:19.359
is something that has been vacant for a number of decades.

533
00:30:20.200 --> 00:30:22.839
Yeah, I mean we are, you know, Open the Books

534
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dot com our motto is every dime online in real time,

535
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and that's really key to keeping government accountable. So you

536
00:30:30.759 --> 00:30:34.200
can go to our website and search for your local

537
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city or state, whatever municipality and find out what your

538
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elected leaders are making, what your the civic employees are making,

539
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the pensions what the municipality is spending their money on.

540
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You can see all the vendors that they're they're paying,

541
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and so Adam really believes strongly in this, in this transparency,

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in putting the information out there for regular Americans to access,

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so that you know, when you go to your voting booths,

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you have information. When you're going to speak before your

545
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city council or your school board, you have the information

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you're searching for. And so empowering the public was really

547
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Adam's passion, and he lived at day in and day out.

548
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The man was an over worker, a workaholic for sure.

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There was never a moment in time when Adams seemed

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to rest. But he was also really dedicated father to

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his three daughters. He spoke about his daughters all the time.

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You know, he regularly would take an hour out to

553
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go drop them off at school or pick them up,

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00:31:34.519 --> 00:31:36.680
or you know, to be involved in their lives. So

555
00:31:36.720 --> 00:31:39.720
he was a very dedicated person, both in his family

556
00:31:39.799 --> 00:31:43.160
and to this cause. This cause was very important to him.

557
00:31:43.559 --> 00:31:46.599
Yeah, I think that the disappointment I have for Adam

558
00:31:46.680 --> 00:31:48.279
is that I wish he could have been here right

559
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now in light of the Trump administration and the momentum

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00:31:52.480 --> 00:31:56.200
that Trump has been able to generate and really has

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00:31:56.279 --> 00:31:59.119
further validated all the great work that Opened the Books

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00:31:59.119 --> 00:32:03.279
and DOZES doing. Rachel, give us an assessment of these

563
00:32:03.599 --> 00:32:06.799
first two hundred plus days of the Trump administration and

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00:32:06.880 --> 00:32:09.480
how that's impacted the work that Opened the Books has

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00:32:09.519 --> 00:32:09.920
been doing.

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00:32:10.759 --> 00:32:16.839
Yeah, so Doge. We obviously, you know, it is in

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00:32:16.880 --> 00:32:21.559
line with our mission to put spending online, make it

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00:32:21.599 --> 00:32:28.440
available in transparent to the public. Obviously, Doge's cuts, you know,

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we're something that they're able to do that we're not

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00:32:31.079 --> 00:32:33.759
able to do, right, and so a lot of those

571
00:32:33.880 --> 00:32:39.079
a lot of those cuts were necessary and welcome. We

572
00:32:39.160 --> 00:32:41.119
did put out a report you can see on our website,

573
00:32:41.160 --> 00:32:45.000
Open the Books dot com where we really assessed what

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00:32:45.160 --> 00:32:49.319
DOZE was claiming they were cutting. If they claimed they

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were cutting ten million dollars from some NSF grants, you know,

576
00:32:53.960 --> 00:32:56.480
were they able to show that what exactly they cut.

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And so we did assess what Dose has been able

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to do or did, and we really would like to

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see some more information, right so for through the American

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public to be able to trust an outside organization that's

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partnering with the president's administration and saying we've actually made

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00:33:15.839 --> 00:33:18.119
these cuts. You know, we weren't really able to verify

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00:33:18.200 --> 00:33:21.680
much of it. There's there was a lot of questions

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still to be asked about those cuts that they post

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00:33:25.400 --> 00:33:28.200
on their website, on the DOGE website, and so that's

586
00:33:28.240 --> 00:33:31.920
really an ongoing process. And Congress and we've said this

587
00:33:32.000 --> 00:33:36.519
about this, that DOGE is an advisory entity. We don't

588
00:33:36.559 --> 00:33:40.359
have any true power without the administration without Congress, and

589
00:33:40.839 --> 00:33:44.559
any cuts that that that the administration or Congress or

590
00:33:44.599 --> 00:33:46.720
DOGE make at this moment in time, those can all

591
00:33:46.720 --> 00:33:49.160
be undone by future administrations. We know that, and so

592
00:33:49.880 --> 00:33:53.480
Congress really does need to do that follow up work

593
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of codifying the cuts of the cuts that they that

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00:33:57.519 --> 00:34:01.680
DOGE has identified as wasteful, to codify that and make

595
00:34:01.680 --> 00:34:04.839
sure that that is not going to be easily implemented

596
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in the next administration.

597
00:34:07.039 --> 00:34:09.119
Well, what the bureaucrats are counting on is what they've

598
00:34:09.119 --> 00:34:11.320
always counted on, and that is the people. You know,

599
00:34:11.360 --> 00:34:14.239
they get busy living life and it just kind of

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00:34:14.480 --> 00:34:18.719
escapes their attention. We had a lot of attention with DOGE. Initially,

601
00:34:19.559 --> 00:34:22.599
there was the estimate of a trillion dollars, didn't even

602
00:34:22.599 --> 00:34:26.599
get close to it, maybe what ten percent possibly? I

603
00:34:26.639 --> 00:34:28.719
think they they and they had to go through all

604
00:34:28.760 --> 00:34:32.400
kinds of fussing and fighting just to claw back you know,

605
00:34:32.760 --> 00:34:36.760
nine billion dollars, which is nothing compared to the amount

606
00:34:36.760 --> 00:34:40.519
of fraud waste that is still out there. But you know,

607
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the fight must go on, it must continue. We must

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be diligent. You know what Open the Books has been

609
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doing again, educating the public and asking those those questions

610
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that are so necessary to say, all right, well we

611
00:34:52.119 --> 00:34:54.920
talked to trillion dollars, we got nine billion, but you know,

612
00:34:54.960 --> 00:34:57.039
where is it? Can we you know, touch it and

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00:34:57.079 --> 00:35:01.119
feel it and and really hold it and put it,

614
00:35:01.280 --> 00:35:02.880
put it in the bank, so to speak.

615
00:35:03.880 --> 00:35:06.280
Yeah, I mean the answer to a lot of that

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is no. We know that a lot of the Trump

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administration's cuts were challenged in court. Some are still in court,

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00:35:15.920 --> 00:35:18.639
you know, some were paused or frozen, and some were

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over you know, judges said no, you can't do this.

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And so in terms of what actually goes back to taxpayers,

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I don't know that much really does go back to taxpayers.

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A lot of the money does go back into the funds,

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the agencies budgets, which is a good thing in terms

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00:35:36.400 --> 00:35:40.920
of it's better to spend it on worthwhile things than

625
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wasteful things. Right, So if it was being wasted on

626
00:35:45.400 --> 00:35:51.519
on nonsense programming or you know, things that don't align

627
00:35:51.800 --> 00:35:56.119
with the Trump administration's policies, it's better for of course,

628
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that money to go to other things in those agencies.

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But in terms of going back into our pockets, I

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have not received any checks. I don't know that you

631
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have either, So our taxes haven't been lowered. We'll see. Again,

632
00:36:08.119 --> 00:36:11.079
this is a long term haul. This isn't this a

633
00:36:11.199 --> 00:36:14.440
short term thing that you're going to see overnight people

634
00:36:14.480 --> 00:36:17.519
are going to be getting checks or or all of

635
00:36:17.519 --> 00:36:20.119
a sudden. You know, there's going to be this radical

636
00:36:20.239 --> 00:36:23.679
rearrangement of the government. It's going to take a lot

637
00:36:23.719 --> 00:36:25.800
of work. And again it's Congress really that has to

638
00:36:25.840 --> 00:36:26.880
step up and do that work.

639
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It's their jobs.

640
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Well, and it starts with way the people making sure

641
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that we're putting people in office that do have the

642
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backbone to do something about it. The good news is

643
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is we did get a tax cut with the big

644
00:36:38.480 --> 00:36:41.679
beautiful bill that that came through, because otherwise, if that

645
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hadn't passed, we'd have been looking at a serious tax increase,

646
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which would have been problematic and continued on at that

647
00:36:49.679 --> 00:36:53.800
point some of the ambitions of the Democrats. What I'm

648
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concerned about, Rachel, is all this money that we're getting,

649
00:36:57.039 --> 00:36:59.320
you know, tariff money that we're getting in I think

650
00:37:00.000 --> 00:37:03.199
excess of one hundred and fifty billion. I think Wesson

651
00:37:03.280 --> 00:37:06.400
has said it's approximating two hundred billion dollars. I mean,

652
00:37:06.440 --> 00:37:10.320
this is a windfall profit. And they're threatening to you know,

653
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send taxpayers, you know, some money, a little little bit

654
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of a kiss, I guess in that, which would be welcomed,

655
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you know. But what we also want to see is

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our debt being bought down. You know, thirty seven trillion

657
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in counting is unsustainable. But look at real quick, we

658
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got to go to break. Let's go to break, and

659
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we'll pick it up on the other side. We've got

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more from Rachel O'Brien from Open the Books. Right after this.

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Back with You're fourteen minutes before the top of the hour.

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Right now, Rachel O'Brien is with us with Open the Books. So, Rachel,

740
00:41:47.400 --> 00:41:51.159
what do you think you know, as the deputy public

741
00:41:51.239 --> 00:41:54.639
policy editor for Open the Books, you know what do

742
00:41:54.719 --> 00:41:57.079
we do with these funds? And also to keep an

743
00:41:57.079 --> 00:42:00.760
eye on them because as we know, money is fungible,

744
00:42:00.920 --> 00:42:03.039
and the Democrats, if they get their hands on that

745
00:42:03.159 --> 00:42:05.800
money that's coming in from tariffs, that thing is going

746
00:42:05.840 --> 00:42:09.800
to be absorbed, you know, into the landscape quickly.

747
00:42:11.800 --> 00:42:12.039
Sure.

748
00:42:12.079 --> 00:42:14.719
I mean, as with anything, there's there's got to be

749
00:42:14.840 --> 00:42:17.000
a hard You've got to take a hard look at

750
00:42:17.280 --> 00:42:19.760
the money. Right, you mentioned our debt. I think we're

751
00:42:19.840 --> 00:42:23.599
up to thirty six or thirty seven trillion in debt.

752
00:42:23.639 --> 00:42:28.519
It's not it's not play money. Our debt's a real problem. Uh,

753
00:42:28.760 --> 00:42:32.199
my generation and my my children's generation right where we're

754
00:42:32.239 --> 00:42:35.840
going to be the ones saddled with this debt. Obviously,

755
00:42:35.960 --> 00:42:38.360
it's something that is not going to go away. And

756
00:42:38.400 --> 00:42:41.519
so when we're talking about money coming in, that should

757
00:42:41.519 --> 00:42:43.239
really be something that we should be looking at. If

758
00:42:43.280 --> 00:42:46.400
it's not money to simply be spent, Uh, it's money

759
00:42:46.400 --> 00:42:49.159
to pay our debts. And look at what's causing this debt.

760
00:42:49.199 --> 00:42:52.599
We're what we're funding to begin with. We we write

761
00:42:52.599 --> 00:42:57.199
about this every year, you know, sort of where this

762
00:42:57.280 --> 00:43:01.519
wasted money is going. And proper payments is one of them.

763
00:43:01.559 --> 00:43:05.239
And proper payments we're talking billions of dollars in the wrong,

764
00:43:05.639 --> 00:43:08.639
wrong amount to the wrong person or for the wrong reason.

765
00:43:08.880 --> 00:43:11.920
This is throughout the entire federal government. Agencies are making

766
00:43:11.960 --> 00:43:14.519
improper payments. So that's a great place to start. You know,

767
00:43:14.920 --> 00:43:17.679
just because more money is coming in doesn't mean we

768
00:43:17.719 --> 00:43:21.280
should spend it. It should not go immediately out. We should

769
00:43:21.280 --> 00:43:24.960
be looking at saving money because if your paycheck if

770
00:43:25.000 --> 00:43:29.599
your your household ledger is in the red, you're not

771
00:43:29.679 --> 00:43:33.119
going to spend money simply because you got some extra cash.

772
00:43:33.159 --> 00:43:35.320
You're hopefully going to pay down your debt. You're going

773
00:43:35.360 --> 00:43:36.880
to try to bring it right black.

774
00:43:37.119 --> 00:43:41.159
Yeah, like any household in America, Rachel, you know, if

775
00:43:41.199 --> 00:43:44.000
they were planning on some windfall coming in, maybe an

776
00:43:44.079 --> 00:43:46.679
income tax return or something, there was going to be

777
00:43:46.719 --> 00:43:49.000
a big, beautiful thing for them, they would have a

778
00:43:49.039 --> 00:43:51.199
priority to say, Okay, this is what we're going to

779
00:43:51.239 --> 00:43:54.559
do with that money. I believe that we should codify

780
00:43:54.599 --> 00:43:58.039
that to say, okay, if the money coming in from tariffs,

781
00:43:58.039 --> 00:44:01.519
this is great. All that Trump you know, has projected

782
00:44:01.880 --> 00:44:06.239
seems to be coming about regardless of what some of

783
00:44:06.280 --> 00:44:10.639
the financial economic experts said was going to happen. So awesome.

784
00:44:10.960 --> 00:44:14.360
Let's but let's codify and designate where that how that

785
00:44:14.400 --> 00:44:16.679
should be broken up. How much should be going to

786
00:44:17.360 --> 00:44:21.400
let's say, to the debt and maybe even secure social security,

787
00:44:21.440 --> 00:44:24.519
which you've been robbing from for decades, and we need

788
00:44:24.559 --> 00:44:28.159
to buttress that up. And you know what other priorities

789
00:44:28.159 --> 00:44:30.480
should there be Rachel, Yeah, I.

790
00:44:30.480 --> 00:44:33.920
Mean those are great, right, so so absolutely so, the debt,

791
00:44:34.519 --> 00:44:39.000
social security looking at really, you know, this is an

792
00:44:39.039 --> 00:44:44.320
opportunity to to really review what the government is supposed

793
00:44:44.360 --> 00:44:49.719
to be doing, what what we're funding unnecessarily, and what

794
00:44:49.880 --> 00:44:53.800
should be funded. You know, the suggestion that we eliminate

795
00:44:53.840 --> 00:44:58.400
the Department of Education or other agencies and really pare

796
00:44:58.519 --> 00:45:02.679
down to just a few federal agencies. The hundreds of

797
00:45:02.679 --> 00:45:06.760
federal agencies are certainly far more than our founding fathers

798
00:45:06.840 --> 00:45:13.360
anticipated would exist, including agencies that really don't have a function,

799
00:45:14.400 --> 00:45:17.079
that are are sort of dormant. We reported about as

800
00:45:17.159 --> 00:45:19.639
all of these agencies that do continue to exist, do

801
00:45:19.719 --> 00:45:22.159
continue to get funding, they're not really providing much of

802
00:45:22.159 --> 00:45:25.519
a service, and so it is an opportunity to think of,

803
00:45:25.760 --> 00:45:28.000
you know, whether we should be pairing back for sure,

804
00:45:28.440 --> 00:45:31.880
and really looking at what the function of these federal

805
00:45:31.920 --> 00:45:38.519
agencies are and getting back to really the basics. And

806
00:45:39.000 --> 00:45:41.719
Social Security is one of them. Right, So if Social

807
00:45:41.760 --> 00:45:47.320
Security is you know, is underfunded tremendously, why are we

808
00:45:47.400 --> 00:45:49.719
funding some of these other things that are providing far

809
00:45:49.760 --> 00:45:53.000
less of a service and really are our questionable uses

810
00:45:53.000 --> 00:45:54.280
of tax payer money? For sure?

811
00:45:54.719 --> 00:45:59.000
You see, companies in America today have an opportunity to

812
00:45:59.199 --> 00:46:02.320
file a check up to eleven or Chapter seven eleven

813
00:46:02.400 --> 00:46:04.960
is a realignment, which is I think something that we

814
00:46:05.000 --> 00:46:09.119
should do seriously without even making it might maybe official

815
00:46:09.199 --> 00:46:11.639
semi official, but you have to have some sort of

816
00:46:11.760 --> 00:46:17.079
outside agency. You cannot have Congress adjudicating what we're doing

817
00:46:17.119 --> 00:46:19.400
with a budget and an audit to be able to

818
00:46:19.400 --> 00:46:23.360
go through and say, okay, here's here's the situation, and

819
00:46:23.960 --> 00:46:28.679
these things have to be done and authorized in such

820
00:46:28.719 --> 00:46:31.039
a way to where there's not going to there shouldn't

821
00:46:31.039 --> 00:46:33.320
be a lot of fussing and negotiating. Because if you

822
00:46:33.400 --> 00:46:36.679
were bankrupt, like what some companies do, they may have

823
00:46:36.760 --> 00:46:40.039
grandma on the books because you know, grandma needs to

824
00:46:40.039 --> 00:46:42.119
be on the books and it's a family business, and

825
00:46:42.119 --> 00:46:44.199
then get away with it. But when you're losing money

826
00:46:44.239 --> 00:46:46.199
and you can't afford to keep grandma on the books,

827
00:46:46.400 --> 00:46:48.039
you don't want to be the one to tell Grandma

828
00:46:48.079 --> 00:46:51.079
you're off the books. But if you have an outside agency,

829
00:46:51.159 --> 00:46:54.480
an attorney or whoever you know, and we know we

830
00:46:54.559 --> 00:46:58.599
bankruptcy attorneys that are there to make these objective decisions,

831
00:46:58.920 --> 00:47:01.679
I believe this is where our country is now and

832
00:47:01.719 --> 00:47:04.920
that we should call on something like that to occur.

833
00:47:05.480 --> 00:47:09.159
Nothing that's political you know, it shouldn't be a politically

834
00:47:09.239 --> 00:47:12.599
driven animal. It just should be about business and how

835
00:47:12.599 --> 00:47:15.159
do we balance the budget. What do we need to

836
00:47:15.199 --> 00:47:17.800
do to cut back? Like you mentioned, we've got I

837
00:47:17.800 --> 00:47:20.039
think the last time there was something like at least

838
00:47:20.039 --> 00:47:24.119
seventeen agencies that overlapped one way another. They didn't even

839
00:47:24.199 --> 00:47:27.159
know what jobs they were doing, like you said, And

840
00:47:27.199 --> 00:47:30.760
we're just spending you know, millions, if not billions of

841
00:47:30.800 --> 00:47:35.320
dollars on government waste, just in you know, not you know,

842
00:47:35.400 --> 00:47:38.280
shoring up some of these operational issues so that we're

843
00:47:38.320 --> 00:47:40.320
not wasting the people's money.

844
00:47:41.239 --> 00:47:44.159
Yeah, it's not for lack of recommendations. It's not for

845
00:47:44.280 --> 00:47:45.320
lack of trying.

846
00:47:45.519 --> 00:47:45.679
You know.

847
00:47:45.760 --> 00:47:51.559
Congress gets, uh sort of gets recommendations every year from

848
00:47:51.559 --> 00:47:56.960
the GAO on how to better be be you know,

849
00:47:57.400 --> 00:48:02.039
better provide for for those funds, better better use those

850
00:48:02.079 --> 00:48:04.559
funds and save that money. And and you know every

851
00:48:04.639 --> 00:48:07.519
year Congress kind of ignores a lot of those recommendations.

852
00:48:07.719 --> 00:48:10.239
Yeah, because they have to get re elected. Rachel, Right,

853
00:48:10.239 --> 00:48:12.519
see this the whole incentive is on its head.

854
00:48:13.000 --> 00:48:13.280
Yeah.

855
00:48:13.400 --> 00:48:14.920
You know, one of the one of one of the

856
00:48:15.239 --> 00:48:19.400
bills that we're really excited about that has been has

857
00:48:19.400 --> 00:48:23.000
come up now multiple times and we're really hoping it passes.

858
00:48:23.239 --> 00:48:26.599
Is from Senator Ran Paul. You know, he has sponsored

859
00:48:26.599 --> 00:48:28.920
the Royalty Transparency.

860
00:48:28.480 --> 00:48:30.239
Great, I'm glad you're bringing that up because I want

861
00:48:30.280 --> 00:48:31.320
to go ahead and talk about it.

862
00:48:31.880 --> 00:48:37.320
So that is really important for so many reasons. Right, So, uh,

863
00:48:38.559 --> 00:48:42.920
scientists who work for the government, uh, you know, specifically NIH,

864
00:48:42.960 --> 00:48:47.159
they get paid royalties from pharmaceutical companies and many details

865
00:48:47.199 --> 00:48:50.159
of those payments are hidden from the public at Open

866
00:48:50.199 --> 00:48:54.599
the Books. We have battled the NIH for years to

867
00:48:54.639 --> 00:48:58.519
get this information made public, and so building on our work,

868
00:48:58.719 --> 00:49:01.440
for the third time, Enertor Rand Poll has sponsored the

869
00:49:01.480 --> 00:49:06.239
Royalty Transparency Act. And it's really so important to know.

870
00:49:06.440 --> 00:49:09.880
You know, these government scientists, they invent treatments for diseases,

871
00:49:10.639 --> 00:49:14.039
they invent vaccines and more, and then they license them

872
00:49:14.079 --> 00:49:17.800
to pharmaceutic companies who pay them royalties. Could be very corrupt,

873
00:49:17.880 --> 00:49:22.000
it could be very problematic, and so sometimes their institutes

874
00:49:22.039 --> 00:49:26.000
and centers get paid. So the National Cancer Institute or

875
00:49:26.199 --> 00:49:30.760
you know, Anthony Fauci's former institute NIAID, the National Institute

876
00:49:30.800 --> 00:49:34.760
for Allergies and Infectious Diseases, they get money from pharmaceutical

877
00:49:34.800 --> 00:49:38.920
companies and they hide it. And so we've argued for

878
00:49:39.000 --> 00:49:39.880
years at the public.

879
00:49:39.719 --> 00:49:42.159
And we're talking give the people an idea how many

880
00:49:42.239 --> 00:49:44.199
billions of dollars we're talking about it. There's a lot

881
00:49:44.239 --> 00:49:44.719
of money.

882
00:49:44.840 --> 00:49:47.800
Absolutely what we've been able to gather so far, as

883
00:49:47.880 --> 00:49:52.199
we found one than six hundred and fifty companies paid

884
00:49:52.199 --> 00:49:56.280
two point seven billion dollars in royalties between twenty ten

885
00:49:56.320 --> 00:50:00.119
and twenty twenty three to government scientists and their research center.

886
00:50:00.400 --> 00:50:02.320
Most of it was paid in twenty twenty two and

887
00:50:02.360 --> 00:50:04.679
twenty three, following the height of the pandemic. So you

888
00:50:04.679 --> 00:50:08.360
can guess what much of this money was for. And

889
00:50:08.440 --> 00:50:11.360
it took us years just to get that basic information.

890
00:50:11.840 --> 00:50:14.920
So we want a lawsuit in twenty twenty two that

891
00:50:14.960 --> 00:50:19.760
compelled NIH to disclose these payments. The documents were heavily redacted.

892
00:50:19.840 --> 00:50:22.800
It hid the companies that made the payments and how

893
00:50:22.880 --> 00:50:26.280
much each payment was worth. We were only able to

894
00:50:26.280 --> 00:50:29.239
get that total dollar amount in twenty three. We want

895
00:50:29.320 --> 00:50:33.400
another court battle to require NIH to remove the redactions

896
00:50:33.440 --> 00:50:36.239
on the companies. We still don't know how much each

897
00:50:36.519 --> 00:50:41.840
individual scientist received, and so we're sort of piecing this together.

898
00:50:42.719 --> 00:50:48.239
And this is so important because you're talking about medical

899
00:50:48.320 --> 00:50:53.000
inventions and patents and licenses that the general public are

900
00:50:53.039 --> 00:50:56.880
exposed to every day, and they should know which scientists

901
00:50:58.119 --> 00:51:01.800
are invented each each in, what they're getting paid for it,

902
00:51:02.920 --> 00:51:05.519
and how the private company is using it. Then we

903
00:51:05.559 --> 00:51:08.559
can understand whether there's a potential conflict of interest. And

904
00:51:08.599 --> 00:51:10.360
it's really taking years for us to piece together what

905
00:51:10.480 --> 00:51:11.400
we even have so far.

906
00:51:12.000 --> 00:51:15.559
Well, most organizations, when you have an employee and they're

907
00:51:15.679 --> 00:51:19.679
using your equipment on your hour that you've hired them

908
00:51:19.719 --> 00:51:22.639
to do, and they come up with an invention, it

909
00:51:22.679 --> 00:51:27.239
belongs to the company. Okay, it doesn't belong to the person.

910
00:51:27.280 --> 00:51:30.519
You might you know, like three M. I think the

911
00:51:31.440 --> 00:51:35.119
famous deal was the beneficial suggestion of the sticky notes, right,

912
00:51:35.159 --> 00:51:37.719
which they made millions of dollars for. And it was

913
00:51:37.719 --> 00:51:40.840
a beneficial suggestion, and the company was kind enough to

914
00:51:41.079 --> 00:51:44.519
reward the individual who came up with this invention a

915
00:51:44.639 --> 00:51:47.679
really nice check, many checks. I think it was quite

916
00:51:47.719 --> 00:51:50.639
a royalty that was deserving, and they did it as

917
00:51:50.679 --> 00:51:53.920
a bonus, not something that they were entitled to or

918
00:51:54.000 --> 00:51:59.079
anything like that. But there's always been that argument within organizations,

919
00:51:59.119 --> 00:52:02.599
who owns this intellectual property when you're doing it. I mean,

920
00:52:02.639 --> 00:52:05.599
these people are working for we, the people. We pay

921
00:52:05.639 --> 00:52:09.400
their salary, okay, and they would not be at the desk,

922
00:52:09.480 --> 00:52:11.800
they wouldn't be in front of the computers creating these

923
00:52:11.840 --> 00:52:15.199
things if it wasn't for the American taxpayer. And now

924
00:52:15.679 --> 00:52:18.199
they're draw added benefit and they put it in their

925
00:52:18.239 --> 00:52:22.079
pocket without consideration to the taxpayers who are basically the

926
00:52:22.159 --> 00:52:24.360
foundational investors of this right.

927
00:52:24.559 --> 00:52:26.880
Without having to tell anyone about it. Absolutely so it

928
00:52:26.880 --> 00:52:28.800
does go to the scientists. Some of it does go

929
00:52:28.880 --> 00:52:33.239
to their research centers. But even so, these individual scientists

930
00:52:33.320 --> 00:52:36.800
are getting money. And what's worse is that many of

931
00:52:36.840 --> 00:52:40.679
these companies are foreign companies. Actually the majority of them

932
00:52:41.000 --> 00:52:47.920
who license these our American patents, most of them are foreign.

933
00:52:48.000 --> 00:52:50.559
So in twenty twenty three, there were one hundred and

934
00:52:50.559 --> 00:52:54.239
thirty nine foreign licensees and one hundred and two American ones.

935
00:52:54.880 --> 00:52:57.280
Obviously this is a problem when they're coming from places

936
00:52:57.320 --> 00:53:01.039
like China. We found at these thirty Chinese companies that

937
00:53:01.119 --> 00:53:05.760
are licensing our technology, right nomatic companies to problematic companies

938
00:53:06.000 --> 00:53:09.559
that are tied to the Chinese government, to the Chinese military.

939
00:53:10.599 --> 00:53:15.000
One company that produced a controversial COVID nineteen vaccine, another

940
00:53:15.159 --> 00:53:17.840
that moved next to the Wuhan Institute of Virology and

941
00:53:17.880 --> 00:53:23.880
collaborated with them, one Wushi app Tech. They've come under

942
00:53:23.920 --> 00:53:28.440
intense scrutiny by Congress for their practices and affiliations. They

943
00:53:28.519 --> 00:53:32.000
have access to American genetic information and intellectual property, and

944
00:53:32.719 --> 00:53:37.880
they now have they have what our government scientists working

945
00:53:37.880 --> 00:53:41.840
for the NIH have have discovered and created and come

946
00:53:41.920 --> 00:53:44.840
up with. And so it is really disconcerting, and we

947
00:53:44.840 --> 00:53:48.880
should have all of the information available so we can

948
00:53:48.920 --> 00:53:53.000
make these decisions about China or Russia or any company

949
00:53:53.320 --> 00:53:54.880
buying our intellectual property.

950
00:53:55.320 --> 00:53:57.960
Well, we need to get our listeners and viewers on board.

951
00:53:57.960 --> 00:54:01.079
Here where can they go for more information and help

952
00:54:01.119 --> 00:54:01.599
the cause?

953
00:54:01.719 --> 00:54:04.840
Rachel Yeah, So we actually have a petition on our

954
00:54:04.880 --> 00:54:07.880
website that they can sign to support this bill. This

955
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is Senator Rand Paul's third time introducing the Royalty Transparency Act.

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Hey, good morning, Glad you could join us. Bill Martinez

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here with doctor Richard Bartlet's the emergency room, dot k

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dot How we joined.

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It's a good day. It's a good day to be

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in America. Amen.

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I'll tell you. RFK Junior is still racking up wins here.

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00:57:33.480 --> 00:57:39.039
Huh yeah, the latest one, this is huge. In nineteen

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00:57:39.079 --> 00:57:43.480
eighty six, they made the Childhood Vaccine Law that gave

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00:57:43.840 --> 00:57:48.039
liability immunity to all vaccine manufacturers. Even if it's proven

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00:57:48.519 --> 00:57:52.199
that their product killed you, killed your kid, paralyzed you,

1020
00:57:52.320 --> 00:57:55.159
cause you to go blind, you cannot sue them, according

1021
00:57:55.159 --> 00:57:57.440
to that law made in Congress. Well, one of the

1022
00:57:57.480 --> 00:57:59.679
part of that law was they were supposed to have

1023
00:57:59.760 --> 00:58:04.519
a ask force to write it, to meet regularly and have

1024
00:58:04.800 --> 00:58:07.800
a two year report every two years that they turned

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00:58:07.800 --> 00:58:12.880
into Congress about the latest information about childhood vaccines safety

1026
00:58:13.119 --> 00:58:17.880
and information and benefits. And that has never happened since

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00:58:18.000 --> 00:58:21.039
nineteen eighty six. There's never been a report turned in

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00:58:21.079 --> 00:58:25.599
to Congress. Well, on rfk's watch, twenty seven years ago,

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00:58:25.760 --> 00:58:29.760
they literally disbanded this task force that's supposed to give

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00:58:29.840 --> 00:58:34.960
reports on childhood vaccine safety. What the heck that's important?

1031
00:58:35.599 --> 00:58:37.840
But who disbanded it? Doctor Baker.

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00:58:37.960 --> 00:58:41.880
We've had Secretary of Health and Human Services over and

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00:58:41.960 --> 00:58:45.320
over and over before RFK. None of them have done

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00:58:45.320 --> 00:58:49.480
anything about this, and Congress has never held them accountable.

1035
00:58:49.920 --> 00:58:53.559
But we now have a Health and Human Services Secretary.

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00:58:53.599 --> 00:58:58.039
There's only been there four months, five months, and he

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00:58:58.559 --> 00:59:02.880
is in stating a task force that was disbanded twenty

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00:59:03.000 --> 00:59:06.519
seven years ago, even though by law it's supposed to

1039
00:59:06.559 --> 00:59:10.760
be meeting regularly and giving reports to Congress every two years,

1040
00:59:11.119 --> 00:59:15.000
never gave a report since nineteen eighty six and hasn't

1041
00:59:15.000 --> 00:59:18.719
been meeting for twenty seven years. He has reinstated that

1042
00:59:18.880 --> 00:59:22.159
task force to look at the science and to give

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00:59:22.199 --> 00:59:25.719
a report every two years to the American people into Congress.

1044
00:59:26.239 --> 00:59:29.599
What a big win for the American people to have

1045
00:59:29.719 --> 00:59:33.079
transparency and to have the information looked at so we

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00:59:33.119 --> 00:59:36.000
can literally follow the real science.

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00:59:36.880 --> 00:59:40.320
How aggravating to think about what's happened in twenty seven

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00:59:40.400 --> 00:59:42.559
years that we don't know about it. I mean, it

1049
00:59:42.599 --> 00:59:44.760
was bad enough as it is. I was talking to

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00:59:44.800 --> 00:59:48.239
somebody else earlier about this, doctor b is that what's

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00:59:48.320 --> 00:59:52.960
refreshing with RFK coming in as AHHS director is that

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00:59:53.159 --> 00:59:58.079
science can again ask questions. For a long time, science

1053
00:59:58.280 --> 01:00:01.679
was you know, was not a allowed to ask questions.

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01:00:01.320 --> 01:00:05.199
Right, right, And we need to hear the good news,

1055
01:00:05.320 --> 01:00:08.159
but we need to hear all the news exactly. And

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01:00:08.199 --> 01:00:12.960
that's been really, that's been the goal of RFK since

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01:00:13.000 --> 01:00:15.920
he got in office. Was number one, let the American

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01:00:16.000 --> 01:00:19.599
people hear the facts, the good news, the bad news,

1059
01:00:19.760 --> 01:00:22.559
the good, the bad, the ugly, and they can make

1060
01:00:22.599 --> 01:00:24.719
the decisions on what to do for their body, for

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01:00:24.800 --> 01:00:29.800
their health. Also, let parents know the facts so they

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01:00:29.800 --> 01:00:32.880
can make informed decisions for their children, what's best for

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01:00:33.000 --> 01:00:36.960
their child instead of this blind faith in government. The

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01:00:37.000 --> 01:00:40.800
same government that the Federal Healthcare System did the Tuskegee

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01:00:40.800 --> 01:00:45.360
experiment where they injected American citizens without their knowledge, with syphilis.

1066
01:00:45.719 --> 01:00:50.079
The same government that did operations sea Spray where they

1067
01:00:50.119 --> 01:00:55.679
sprayed serration of Marsssan's bacteria over the citizens of San Francisco.

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01:00:56.239 --> 01:00:59.679
The same government that did one thing after another after

1069
01:00:59.719 --> 01:01:03.519
another of literally human experimentation on the American people and

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01:01:03.599 --> 01:01:06.679
look at what happened during COVID, Yes, exactly.

1071
01:01:07.719 --> 01:01:10.480
Well, and the other thing you think, Okay, so for

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01:01:10.480 --> 01:01:13.840
forty years we've had this task force. Have they been

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01:01:13.880 --> 01:01:14.480
getting paid?

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01:01:15.280 --> 01:01:17.960
No, And we haven't had the task force we're supposed

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01:01:17.960 --> 01:01:20.800
to have had it since nineteen eighty six and twenty

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01:01:20.840 --> 01:01:24.679
seven years ago. The whoever the Secretary of Health and

1077
01:01:24.760 --> 01:01:27.679
Human Services was twenty seven years ago, said I'm going

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01:01:27.760 --> 01:01:30.039
to make this task force disappear that's supposed to be

1079
01:01:30.079 --> 01:01:34.760
giving reports on the safety and effectiveness of childhood vaccines.

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01:01:34.800 --> 01:01:38.039
He disbanded it twenty seven years ago. And so we've

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01:01:38.039 --> 01:01:41.159
had look at all the secretaries of Health and Human

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01:01:41.199 --> 01:01:48.199
Services we had during COVID, before COVID, under Biden, under Obama,

1083
01:01:48.280 --> 01:01:51.800
all the prior doctors, all the other prior presidents, and

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01:01:51.920 --> 01:01:56.800
thank god with the what changed was RFK became Secretary

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01:01:56.800 --> 01:02:00.199
of Health and Human Services. That's the one thing that's changed.

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01:02:00.280 --> 01:02:02.519
See, And I think I think that's why the Democrats

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01:02:02.519 --> 01:02:06.480
were so upset because they knew we hear RFK, with

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01:02:06.920 --> 01:02:11.960
decades of you know, knowledge and experience and everything, knew

1089
01:02:11.960 --> 01:02:15.079
that this was corrupt. He knew where the skeletons were,

1090
01:02:15.159 --> 01:02:18.960
he knew where the Clausts were and that made the

1091
01:02:19.000 --> 01:02:22.280
Democrats nervous and that's why they were resisting him so much.

1092
01:02:22.599 --> 01:02:25.559
And so now here he's bringing this to light and

1093
01:02:25.840 --> 01:02:28.480
it just you know, causes you to pause to say

1094
01:02:28.719 --> 01:02:33.599
how many people were affected adversely because of this?

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01:02:34.840 --> 01:02:38.119
Well, we need the truth, the whole truth, nothing but

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01:02:38.239 --> 01:02:38.639
the truth.

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01:02:38.800 --> 01:02:39.119
Amen.

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01:02:39.400 --> 01:02:41.119
We need to hear the good, the bad, the ugly.

1099
01:02:41.159 --> 01:02:43.440
We need to hear the benefits as well as the risk.

1100
01:02:44.000 --> 01:02:48.199
That's called informed consent. And your rights have been violated,

1101
01:02:48.400 --> 01:02:52.079
have been put have been suspended over and over again.

1102
01:02:52.199 --> 01:02:54.559
You think you have constitutional rights, you think you have

1103
01:02:54.679 --> 01:02:58.280
patient rights, but there's a law that was passed in

1104
01:02:58.320 --> 01:03:01.079
two thousand and five called the prep back at which

1105
01:03:01.239 --> 01:03:06.000
has has blocked your patient rights and your constitutional rights

1106
01:03:07.000 --> 01:03:09.760
and parental rights. There's the law in nineteen eighty six

1107
01:03:09.800 --> 01:03:13.280
that we're talking about today that said we need that.

1108
01:03:13.320 --> 01:03:16.280
You're supposed to have a task force that is giving

1109
01:03:16.360 --> 01:03:20.480
reports every two years about the childhood vaccine safety and effectiveness,

1110
01:03:20.840 --> 01:03:24.559
and that was disbanded twenty seven years ago against the law.

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01:03:24.719 --> 01:03:27.960
Every year under every president for the last twenty seven years,

1112
01:03:28.199 --> 01:03:31.400
that has not been functional, even though it's part of

1113
01:03:31.400 --> 01:03:32.719
the law and so.

1114
01:03:32.840 --> 01:03:36.239
On was responsible. Who's accountable?

1115
01:03:36.679 --> 01:03:40.400
Well, the Secretary of Health and Human Services and everybody

1116
01:03:40.440 --> 01:03:44.320
over him is responsible. So I can say, as of today,

1117
01:03:45.280 --> 01:03:48.440
Secretary Health and Human Services is doing the right thing

1118
01:03:48.480 --> 01:03:51.559
for the American people, and the president that's over him

1119
01:03:52.639 --> 01:03:57.599
has some responsibility for that success as well. So we've

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01:03:57.599 --> 01:03:59.679
got to call it what it is. Everybody that's in

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01:03:59.679 --> 01:04:02.280
place right now is a part of this win for

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01:04:02.360 --> 01:04:03.239
the American people.

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01:04:03.599 --> 01:04:07.800
And people need to understand. You see, the more we

1124
01:04:07.920 --> 01:04:13.079
allow people to escape accountability, there's always consequence. So but

1125
01:04:13.159 --> 01:04:15.440
who's going to pay the consequence? Is it going to

1126
01:04:15.440 --> 01:04:17.679
be the perpetrator or is it going to be the

1127
01:04:17.719 --> 01:04:20.960
general population? And what seems to be the order of

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01:04:21.000 --> 01:04:24.000
the day, doctor b here is that it is we

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01:04:24.159 --> 01:04:28.159
the people who pay the consequence, not the person that

1130
01:04:28.840 --> 01:04:29.559
did the wrong.

1131
01:04:30.880 --> 01:04:36.480
Well, the CDC's own website reports over forty thousand deaths

1132
01:04:36.480 --> 01:04:38.519
from the COVID shots. Nobody's going to ever be held

1133
01:04:38.519 --> 01:04:42.360
accountable for that. Because of the PREP Act, because of

1134
01:04:42.440 --> 01:04:46.159
the nineteen eighty six law that gives liability immunity to

1135
01:04:46.239 --> 01:04:49.760
the vaccine manufacturers. You have Fauci and others that have

1136
01:04:49.800 --> 01:04:53.039
been protected by the prep Act for literally lying on

1137
01:04:53.119 --> 01:04:56.360
purpose to the American people. There are people who lied

1138
01:04:56.480 --> 01:04:59.440
to us and said that the vaccines were safe and effective.

1139
01:04:59.679 --> 01:05:02.360
If you get the shot, the vaccine stops here. It

1140
01:05:02.400 --> 01:05:04.840
will not spread to the next person. If you get

1141
01:05:04.840 --> 01:05:07.880
the COVID shot, you're protected, you won't get COVID. These

1142
01:05:07.920 --> 01:05:11.840
are lies, and they're irrefutable lies. It's a lie to

1143
01:05:11.920 --> 01:05:15.400
call the COVID shot a vaccine because the Ninth Circuit

1144
01:05:15.400 --> 01:05:18.119
Court of Appeals said it's not a vaccine. They've already

1145
01:05:18.119 --> 01:05:20.039
looked at all the evidence and they made a judgment

1146
01:05:20.480 --> 01:05:24.079
saying that it's a therapeutic because it doesn't prevent you

1147
01:05:24.119 --> 01:05:26.400
from getting the disease and it doesn't prevent the spread

1148
01:05:26.400 --> 01:05:29.679
of the disease. Therefore, it's not a vaccine. It's a therapeutic.

1149
01:05:30.199 --> 01:05:32.880
And so it's a lie. For every person, the mainstream

1150
01:05:32.920 --> 01:05:36.639
media and every doctor to call the COVID shot a vaccine.

1151
01:05:36.679 --> 01:05:39.760
That's a lie. And now the Ninth Circuit Court of

1152
01:05:39.760 --> 01:05:42.880
Appeals has got it in print. It's on the internet.

1153
01:05:42.960 --> 01:05:45.639
You can find it if you want to. Or if

1154
01:05:45.639 --> 01:05:48.559
a doctor wants to stay ignorant and lie to people,

1155
01:05:48.599 --> 01:05:50.480
he calls it a vaccine.

1156
01:05:51.360 --> 01:05:54.639
Well, it would seem, if I'm reading this correctly, that

1157
01:05:54.760 --> 01:05:59.880
even Donald Trump is kind of admitting air in operation

1158
01:06:00.119 --> 01:06:03.760
warp speed and saying, well, that was the air of COVID.

1159
01:06:04.920 --> 01:06:08.159
Maybe he was suggesting that there's some takeaways and things

1160
01:06:08.199 --> 01:06:13.280
that we need to you know, have in our system,

1161
01:06:13.840 --> 01:06:17.599
and I'm talking about the medical system and profession that

1162
01:06:17.679 --> 01:06:20.760
doesn't allow for this to duplicate itself. What do you think.

1163
01:06:22.119 --> 01:06:25.719
I think RFK is the difference maker. And what we've

1164
01:06:25.760 --> 01:06:29.960
seen of win after win for transparency and healthcare for

1165
01:06:30.000 --> 01:06:35.119
the American people, for making the American healthcare system safer

1166
01:06:35.159 --> 01:06:37.559
in the last one hundred and twenty days, has been

1167
01:06:37.960 --> 01:06:43.880
solely due to rfk's influence. And when Trump follows rfk's direction,

1168
01:06:44.599 --> 01:06:47.559
it's good for the American people. If he doesn't, it's

1169
01:06:47.719 --> 01:06:50.199
bad for the American people. So I got to give

1170
01:06:50.280 --> 01:06:52.800
him credit for allowing RK to do the things that

1171
01:06:52.880 --> 01:06:55.639
RFK has done so far, which have been to the

1172
01:06:55.679 --> 01:06:57.079
benefit of the American people.

1173
01:06:57.679 --> 01:07:01.119
Yeah, without a doubt, we're talking with doctor Richard Bartlett.

1174
01:07:01.159 --> 01:07:03.320
We've got to go to quick breaksday with us more

1175
01:07:03.360 --> 01:07:04.719
from doctor b after.

1176
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This chronic migraine fifteen or more headache days a month,

1177
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each lasting four hours or more can make me feel

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1186
01:07:32.840 --> 01:07:34.880
eye problems, or muscle weakness can be signs of a

1187
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1188
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1189
01:07:40.800 --> 01:07:43.840
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1190
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1191
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And we're back with you Bill Martinez here with doctor

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Richard Barklett, the emergency room. Emergency room doc, doc, you know,

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speaking of RFK, what he's been doing in terms of

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even cleaning up food and getting these different carcinogenic dies

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out of our you know, a lot of our food

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supply here. I would think that the manufacturers would be

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moving a lot quicker. The media seems to be, you

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know again, they look at anything that comes out of

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Trump as being you know, adversarial, you know, us against them,

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as opposed to reporting on the news and educating people

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as to what's going on to keep the pressure on

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these food manufacturers. I mean, because after all, I mean,

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their children are eating the same food. I would think.

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I don't think so. I think if they know about it,

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they're not feeding their kids the stuff. You know, when

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there's petrochemical food dies that are not food products that

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are not a part of the food chain ever before,

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that have already been proven by our federal government to

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cause various kinds of specific answers if they know that

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they're not feeding their kids that unless they don't like

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their kids. But I'll tell you the bottom line is,

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there is so much good that RFK is doing, and

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there's so much bad that has been inherent in the system,

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and greed is a big part of it. Greed is

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a big part of this. And so you know, when

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you have cancer causing ingredients added to foods in the

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United States that are that are banned in Europe for

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twenty years, you got to you gotta scratch your head

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and say, what's going on here? And RFK is asking

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the right questions, why is this so? And if it's

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been proven to cause bladder cancer, breast cancer, prostate cancer,

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we should do something about that because I don't like

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cancer and I like.

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People right exactly, So you know, and I think you

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hit it, hit the nail on the head. This is

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greed driven. And because it's greed driven, this is what's

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holding this thing back in terms of its lack of expediency,

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because you would think, I mean, it's like, Okay, this

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causes cancer, let's get rid of it right away. I mean,

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even patients go, just cut it out. You know, I'm

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not going to go through a bunch of processes. Just

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get it out of my body.

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Right.

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And here we are in the food system, we go, oh, well,

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the manufacturers saying this could take about two and a

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half three years.

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Right, that's I considered that only because of the greed.

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They don't. They got product that's already out there, and

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they want to sell the product that already has the

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cancer causing chemicals. If you knew it caused cancer, why

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don't you take it off the shelves and with and

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you take take it away from the food supply, well.

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With any any other recall, Doctor b it would be immediate.

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You know, Yes, I do know, And so I agreed

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Bill one hundred percent. The only explanation is greed. Greed,

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greed on a lot of these things, including the COVID.

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Shots right exactly, and.

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And the and the hospital protocols for COVID have been

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pushed where rim dazebr was used in the hospitals when

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it had already been proven to not save one life

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by the WHO. By November of twenty twenty, they did

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official report saying they looked at four hundred and eighty

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hospital systems around the world over thirteen thousand patients, and

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they saw that it didn't save one life. And then

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Fauci and his cronies push it on the American people

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that are dying of COVID and hospitals and many people

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suffered as a result of that, and iby.

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Yeah, is there going to be any accountability to Fauci

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and even the WHO for that matter, you know, with

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all the clear stupid counsel and directives that they thrust

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upon the American people that you know, Facebook and all

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the other social media platforms jumped on and said, I mean,

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in a sense, we subordinated our health sovereignty to the

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WHO without any approval of Congress or anybody. This is

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just what you know, how it was able to, you know,

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come into the system just blows me away. How they

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were And yes, we can say greed and all these

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other things, but there's something more diabolical beyond greed.

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It seems, yeah, we were set up for this and

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this was not accidental. COVID was not accidental. What has

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been done to the American people, the one point two

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million Americans that died from COVID, this was not accidental.

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COVID came from a lab. Bioweapons come from labs. Bioweapons

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need funding to be created. The federal taxpayer dollars funded

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it by underhanded under the table techniques that have been

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well documented now by Senator Rand Paul, Doctor Rand Paul

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and others. And so we got to listen to the

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right people. We have to have the right leadership. And

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01:16:56.600 --> 01:17:01.039
so Senator Ran Paul in Louisianda, they have a new

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surgeon general, doctor Ralph Abraham. Those and Secretary are FK Jr.

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Those are the people that you need to listen to

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because this is very complicated. It's on many levels. Some

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of the evil that's happened, some of the true lying

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to the American people, I mean actually lying on purpose

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to the American people. When when Donald Trump coined the

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phrase fake news, he was right.

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01:17:28.880 --> 01:17:33.600
Yes, exactly well, And speaking of Rand Paul, Rand Paul

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has a bill going through Congress right now targeting the

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transparency of royalties. We've got, you know, again talking about greed.

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01:17:47.000 --> 01:17:48.800
This is what makes the wheels on the bus go

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round and round? Right? You know these scientists that are

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getting billions of dollars in royalties, doctor b at the

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expense of the American people.

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Right, So, and Paul is a hero. I'll just say

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01:18:02.000 --> 01:18:06.399
in short, if rand Paul says something, he can back

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01:18:06.439 --> 01:18:10.279
it up. That's there's just a track record there. And

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01:18:10.319 --> 01:18:13.800
he especially is upset about American citizens being put in

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harm's way for greed that bothers him. I know him,

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and I'm telling you that he's a real hero. He's

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an advocate for the patients and patient rights and constitutional rights.

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01:18:27.880 --> 01:18:32.600
Now you have a representative Massy, Congressman Massy has a

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law right now to abolish the PREP Act and give

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the American citizens their freedom back. And we'll see who

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01:18:40.720 --> 01:18:44.199
rallies around that and who buries it is. The mainstream

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01:18:44.239 --> 01:18:46.279
media hasn't called it out at all, No, not at

1378
01:18:46.279 --> 01:18:49.600
all rallying around it. Why don't they care about the

1379
01:18:49.600 --> 01:18:52.399
freedom of the American people. I say, let my people go,

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01:18:52.720 --> 01:18:54.680
let's let him let this be the land of the

1381
01:18:54.720 --> 01:18:58.680
free again. But the PREP Act has stolen your constitutional

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rights and your patient rights and your parental rights. And

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there's example after example that you and I have talked about, Bill,

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01:19:07.079 --> 01:19:10.960
but we need to rally around Thomas Massey and his

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bill to abolish the PREP Act and set the American

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people free again.

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Well, you know, doctor B. Some people might say, you know,

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you know, Richard Bill, you know, it's so overwhelming. I mean,

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at every turn we're seeing how our freedoms have been

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01:19:27.600 --> 01:19:32.960
impinged upon. Well, yeah, exactly, you've been ignoring this for decades. Now,

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thank god for Donald Trump and his administration, all this

1392
01:19:36.560 --> 01:19:38.399
stuff is coming to the front. Now, what are you

1393
01:19:38.439 --> 01:19:40.239
going to do about it? Are you just going to

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roll over and just say, Okay, you know, we'll let

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somebody else take care of it. It doesn't work that way.

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There's a government of for by we the people. It

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has become a government of for by the bureaucrats because

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we the people subordinated our authorities and our rightful positions,

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our birthright. In a sense, we subordinated to this administrative state.

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So I mean, if you're happy with that and you

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don't believe in freedom, I guess it's business as usual

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for you. But more and more Americans, doctor B, are

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waking up to the reality that our freedoms, you know,

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we're like, hey, let's write up a new declaration of independence.

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Right, there's three hundred and forty million Americans, roughly, not

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one of those American citizens voted for the prep Act

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or put that in place or enforced it, which cancels

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your constitutional rights, your parental rights, and your patient rights.

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It's a few that want to have control over the masses,

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that are willing to put people in jeopardy and take

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away their freedom. And that is what's happened. And you

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have a few in Congress and the Senate and on

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state leadership that really care about freedom still in the

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United States. But it's the few because the Congress as

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a whole, the Senate as a whole, knows what the

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PREP Act has done taking your constitutional rights, knows what

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this law in nineteen eighty six does that gives a

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vaccine manufacturers liability immunity even if it's proven it killed

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your baby, you can't hold them accountable. They know there's

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01:21:15.159 --> 01:21:17.319
no accountability in the system. And what are they doing

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01:21:17.319 --> 01:21:21.560
about it? There's only a handful. Marjorie Taylor Green is

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a hero. He's standing up for constitutional rights. Thomas Massey

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standing up for constitutional rights. Ran Paul standing up for

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constitutional rights. If you don't hear me say their name,

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they may not be standing up for your constitutional rights.

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They may be on the other side of this. And

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so it's a very short list. Unfortunately, there are many

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that are going along with this. They're going along to

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get along. They're willing to sacrifice your constitutional rights so

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Right. Well, they're so fixed ideologically, doctor b I mean,

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they arrogantly believe in this elitism. Somehow they believe that

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there's there God's special chosen people to lead the masses.

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And how has that ever been successful? Whenever you because

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now you start getting into the isms, and America has

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been playing on the fringes of the isms, except for

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like New York, where they're just saying, hey, we're tired

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of being on the outside. We're just coming in and

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taking over everything. So it's free everything, and we're going

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to have government operated grocery stores, which oh yeah, by

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I mean no, sooner they make that announcement, then you've

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got that one government run grocery store in Missouri that

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closes up shop. I mean they're showing the shelves and

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there was just a bag of I think hot dog

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buns was left there, and so welcome to government run

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01:22:49.800 --> 01:22:51.079
grocery stores, Doctor B.

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01:22:52.800 --> 01:22:56.600
Yikes. Yeah, I think Ron Reagan said the scariest words

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you'll ever hear are are I'm from the government and

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I'm here to help.

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That should be a warning that echoes through the millennia

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and for freedom loving Americans. We need to be smarter

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than this. And again you must honor your citizenship, activate

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your citizenship, and get involved if something is going to happen,

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and be different. Doctor Richard Bartlett, the emergency room medical doctor,

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has been with us. Doctor B has always appreciate the insight.

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Thank you, Bill Martinez, you have a great show.

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Hey, good morning America. Bill Martinez here along with Jeff Kemp,

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the Ministry leader and author and former QB and son

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of the Most High God, the One and a hey,

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how you doing, Jeff, Good, Good morning Bill. Lots going

1529
01:27:22.439 --> 01:27:25.079
on in our culture. We were talking before we went

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01:27:25.119 --> 01:27:29.079
on air that you saw a video, you know, which

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01:27:29.119 --> 01:27:31.399
is interesting because I've been talking to a lot of

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01:27:31.439 --> 01:27:34.119
people here recently with the group of the Knights of

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01:27:34.159 --> 01:27:37.239
Columbus that I'm involved with. Knights of Columbus have given

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01:27:37.960 --> 01:27:45.159
i think over fifteen hundred sonogram units away to different

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01:27:45.359 --> 01:27:48.960
pregnancy centers and this sort of thing, because we find

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01:27:49.000 --> 01:27:54.159
that women who see the baby in utro actually see

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01:27:54.239 --> 01:27:58.760
the sonogram and see the live baby in there, not

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01:27:58.800 --> 01:28:02.439
a fetus, but a baby, you know. But they will

1539
01:28:02.439 --> 01:28:08.800
say that any thought of an abortion goes away when

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they see the sonogram, just to show you just how

1541
01:28:11.560 --> 01:28:12.800
powerful that is, right.

1542
01:28:13.239 --> 01:28:16.079
Yeah, And I mean you mentioned the video. The news

1543
01:28:16.760 --> 01:28:21.359
just reported that scientists have kind of observed a embryo

1544
01:28:21.640 --> 01:28:25.640
attaching itself to the wall of uterus very early stages

1545
01:28:26.279 --> 01:28:30.439
of conception and the growth of a human being. And

1546
01:28:31.079 --> 01:28:34.720
really more and more and more as science, true science

1547
01:28:35.520 --> 01:28:39.920
unpacks what happens in our world and the cosmos and

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01:28:39.960 --> 01:28:43.720
down to the inhuman body and even you know, the

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01:28:43.760 --> 01:28:47.920
conception and birth of a baby. We see exactly what

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01:28:47.960 --> 01:28:52.680
God says, Yes, that he designs life, that he creates it.

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01:28:52.800 --> 01:28:55.920
He knew us in our mother's womb. He knit us together.

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01:28:56.000 --> 01:28:59.359
These I love. I love that idea of Him knitting

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01:28:59.479 --> 01:29:03.439
us together. Jeff, I mean just with the right you know,

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01:29:03.520 --> 01:29:07.199
the right components, you know for you to be an

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01:29:07.319 --> 01:29:11.960
NFL football player, amongst other things that you know, talents

1556
01:29:11.960 --> 01:29:15.199
that God has blessed you with. You know, your sensitivity

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01:29:15.399 --> 01:29:18.920
as a husband, as a father, as a grandfather. All

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01:29:19.039 --> 01:29:22.840
this God wove in as he was putting you together.

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01:29:23.159 --> 01:29:25.760
It's just I mean, when you think about it, if

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that doesn't bring you to your knees, I don't know

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01:29:28.840 --> 01:29:31.039
what else you know. And and it also in the

1562
01:29:31.039 --> 01:29:34.399
face of arrogant scientists, as you say, some scientists that

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01:29:34.520 --> 01:29:37.680
want to try to explain that away, but only God

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01:29:38.319 --> 01:29:41.399
can do this. And then when you see the miracle,

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01:29:42.439 --> 01:29:45.960
as you're saying in this video of the conception process,

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it just blows your way.

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01:29:49.479 --> 01:29:53.600
Well, there's there's so many miracles as science looks at,

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01:29:54.000 --> 01:29:58.760
why does life exist on Earth alone amongst the you know,

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01:29:58.960 --> 01:30:07.159
trillions of galaxies, planets, solar systems in the cosmos Because

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01:30:07.199 --> 01:30:11.680
God intended to have life here and the situation and

1571
01:30:11.760 --> 01:30:16.760
the science works out perfectly here but not elsewhere. They

1572
01:30:16.800 --> 01:30:20.720
talk about where does life come from? The big bang? Okay,

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01:30:20.920 --> 01:30:23.079
it came from a big bang, But what was there

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01:30:23.119 --> 01:30:27.319
in the first place that could bang? It had to

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01:30:27.319 --> 01:30:31.439
be something That source has to go back to a creator.

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And then when you look at the intricacies and miracles

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01:30:34.800 --> 01:30:38.560
of human life, or the delicacy of our body and

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01:30:38.600 --> 01:30:42.119
the way it operates and self heals, Oh my gosh,

1579
01:30:42.760 --> 01:30:47.760
there is an intelligent designer, without a doubt. He's more

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than impersonal. God is personal and he proved it in Jesus.

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01:30:53.199 --> 01:30:55.800
So I think more and more. And you've been talking

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to me about this in the recent weeks that some

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young people who are disenfranchised, discouraged, empty, emotionally worn out

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by the non answers of the culture and the untruths

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and the upside down claims of the culture are saying

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there must be something real. There must be a source.

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And I encourage people to go to the source, which

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is God. You can find out about him in the

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Word of God. You can talk to him and say,

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01:31:27.920 --> 01:31:32.880
reveal yourself. You'll eventually find that He showed himself on

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01:31:32.920 --> 01:31:37.279
earth in Jesus. And he certainly wasn't just a good teacher,

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01:31:39.000 --> 01:31:41.039
you know. He was either a lunatic to make the

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claims of being God, you know, and I'm going to

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die and I'm going to come back to death, or

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he was a liar making up stuff, or he was Lord.

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Lunatic liar or Lord. And we have found you and

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I and so many others that he is Lord and

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life is his gift. And I'm thankful for Knights of

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01:32:03.640 --> 01:32:07.640
Columbus and those women's resource centers that give women the

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opportunity to look at the actual baby inside them, which

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changes their outlook.

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Yeah, exactly, you know, focus on the family. Last year,

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01:32:17.840 --> 01:32:19.359
in fact, they won an award with it. I don't

1604
01:32:19.359 --> 01:32:22.159
know if you saw the commercial that they did. It

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was titled It's a Baby, and what it was was

1606
01:32:25.039 --> 01:32:28.840
kind of a little goofy satire about people saying, oh,

1607
01:32:28.880 --> 01:32:31.199
how's the fetus doing, how's the fetus doing? You know,

1608
01:32:31.279 --> 01:32:34.560
and exchanging it for the word baby. And then it

1609
01:32:34.680 --> 01:32:36.800
was this little girl at the end that came out

1610
01:32:36.800 --> 01:32:41.399
and said, no, it's a baby, you know.

1611
01:32:42.720 --> 01:32:45.159
So are you a fetus that came out of the

1612
01:32:45.159 --> 01:32:48.479
woman grew up or are you a human that was

1613
01:32:48.520 --> 01:32:51.199
born and grew up? You're a human. And so it

1614
01:32:51.279 --> 01:32:54.840
was a human at age two, a human age eighty two,

1615
01:32:55.399 --> 01:32:58.560
and a human you know, two weeks into the pregnancy

1616
01:32:59.119 --> 01:33:03.039
and a mother's won them. It's all a miracle. And

1617
01:33:03.079 --> 01:33:06.600
there ought to be humility, and that is we've talked

1618
01:33:06.600 --> 01:33:09.479
a lot about. Humility is the key to relationships. It's

1619
01:33:09.479 --> 01:33:12.560
also the key to faith, yes exactly. And we didn't

1620
01:33:12.560 --> 01:33:15.680
invent the world. There's a God, yes well.

1621
01:33:15.720 --> 01:33:18.079
And as you said earlier, and one of the things

1622
01:33:18.079 --> 01:33:21.319
that's critical here that people don't realize is God created

1623
01:33:21.359 --> 01:33:26.439
this from nothing nothing, Jeff. You know, it's funny to

1624
01:33:26.439 --> 01:33:28.359
hear some of these scientists when they talk and that

1625
01:33:28.439 --> 01:33:30.920
sort of thing, and what they try to do is

1626
01:33:31.159 --> 01:33:34.479
use God's stuff to create.

1627
01:33:36.000 --> 01:33:37.680
They want to take credit.

1628
01:33:38.119 --> 01:33:39.760
I claim that there's no god.

1629
01:33:39.800 --> 01:33:45.239
Spontaneous combustion of life, and yet the stuff that they

1630
01:33:45.239 --> 01:33:48.239
say it comes from was created by God. It was

1631
01:33:48.319 --> 01:33:52.600
his idea and his word that made things happen from nothing.

1632
01:33:53.079 --> 01:33:57.600
Right anyway, Humility is really called for when we think

1633
01:33:57.600 --> 01:34:01.159
about where did we come from, and how good and

1634
01:34:01.199 --> 01:34:03.840
great and perfect is God and how much do we

1635
01:34:03.880 --> 01:34:06.239
need him? Completely. We need him, right.

1636
01:34:06.720 --> 01:34:08.479
You know, it's interest thing to use the word humility

1637
01:34:08.520 --> 01:34:12.680
because I got to tell you, you know, when I

1638
01:34:12.720 --> 01:34:15.560
wake up sometimes I just I have a pad next

1639
01:34:15.560 --> 01:34:17.319
to a pad of paper and a pencil next to

1640
01:34:17.800 --> 01:34:21.199
my bed that I keep handy because God will download

1641
01:34:21.279 --> 01:34:23.479
information to me in the middle of the night. Generally

1642
01:34:23.560 --> 01:34:25.880
it's like three o'clock in the morning. Just that's his

1643
01:34:25.920 --> 01:34:27.880
favorite time. It doesn't matter where I'm at, what time's

1644
01:34:27.920 --> 01:34:30.319
on i'm at. I can be in Hawaii three o'clock

1645
01:34:30.319 --> 01:34:33.880
Hawaii time. Hello you and me. Lord, you know I'm

1646
01:34:33.920 --> 01:34:36.880
hearing you. And also you know when I wake up,

1647
01:34:36.880 --> 01:34:39.800
there'll be something there. And I thought about you this

1648
01:34:39.880 --> 01:34:46.039
morning because when I woke up, he said, serve sure,

1649
01:34:47.319 --> 01:34:51.199
you're talking about humility. You can't be humble if you're

1650
01:34:51.199 --> 01:34:55.279
not a servant, right, That's what Jesus, what Jesus taught

1651
01:34:55.359 --> 01:34:59.239
is And I thought, Okay, there's something huge here, and

1652
01:34:59.279 --> 01:35:01.800
I wanted to you. Just tossed that out for you

1653
01:35:01.920 --> 01:35:04.279
to chew on for a moment, because it's something that

1654
01:35:04.359 --> 01:35:06.600
you and I have been talking about almost from day

1655
01:35:06.640 --> 01:35:09.800
one when we first started meeting on the radio.

1656
01:35:09.600 --> 01:35:13.359
Like this, I know I was reading a devotion this morning,

1657
01:35:14.560 --> 01:35:18.319
and it was how when mankind swallowed the lie that

1658
01:35:18.359 --> 01:35:20.760
Satan put in front of us, that we could do

1659
01:35:20.800 --> 01:35:23.079
better on our own without God, and we ought to

1660
01:35:23.079 --> 01:35:26.680
try that, you know, from that tree, do it our way,

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not his. The main thing that happened is we separate

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ourselves from that father child relationship he intended for us,

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and we ended up with a mindset and an identity

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and a culture of the orphan. And the orphan is

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on their own and has to do everything themselves, and

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that makes you not serve, that makes you take, that

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makes you proud and try to make yourself something special.

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And I was just struck. I mentioned this. I don't

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know if it goes with the embryo thing. But Scotti

1670
01:35:58.600 --> 01:36:03.159
Scheffler wins another championship in golf, Yeah, the BMW championship,

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01:36:03.560 --> 01:36:08.359
and he's humble afterwards, but he was humble beforehand, and

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he's humbled during the whole time. And he stays focused

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and he never gets carried away with I'm famous, I'm

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the winner, I'm the champion. He wants to go home

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to his wife and his child.

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Exactly.

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It's so hard to handle success in the world without

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Christ keeping you humble, knowing that everything is a gift.

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01:36:26.720 --> 01:36:29.439
And I kind of see that as Scottie Scheffler excellence

1680
01:36:29.479 --> 01:36:32.319
at the highest level. I mean Tiger Woods. You know,

1681
01:36:32.840 --> 01:36:35.720
this is equal to Tiger Woods. But he doesn't have

1682
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the volatility that pride comes into our life and messes

1683
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us up.

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Yeah, he is quite the example, and you know, you

1685
01:36:44.239 --> 01:36:46.920
think about it and uh, you know, and we need

1686
01:36:46.960 --> 01:36:49.560
to pray for him because you got to know, uh,

1687
01:36:49.680 --> 01:36:51.239
you got to know the evil one is going to

1688
01:36:51.239 --> 01:36:52.479
be after him.

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01:36:52.840 --> 01:36:55.039
It's hard to be it's hard to be successful. It's

1690
01:36:55.039 --> 01:36:58.319
hard for him have everyone you know giving you adulation,

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01:36:58.880 --> 01:37:03.239
wanted to be on bandwagon. It's that's difficult. You know,

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Satan was beautiful, he was an amazingly beautiful angel, but

1693
01:37:06.239 --> 01:37:08.640
he wanted more glory and he took it and that's

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what made him rebel. So may I stay humble and

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youth day humble, and people with far more platform and

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success than us, like Scottie Shuffler, who represents God well

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excellent excellence and humility. That's that's Jesus, and.

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Welcome morning, and welcome. Good to have you with us.

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I'm Bill Martinez. She is doctor Johnny Debrido who joins

1775
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us now. She's a licensed mental health professional and frequent

1776
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Focus on the Family contributor, Johnny. Good to have you

1777
01:41:54.039 --> 01:41:54.920
back with us. How are you?

1778
01:41:55.560 --> 01:41:57.600
Thanks so much? I'm doing great and so glad to

1779
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be on your show.

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Bill.

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Well, lots to talk about back to school transitions, different grades,

1782
01:42:03.279 --> 01:42:06.039
different needs. You say, right, that's.

1783
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Right, definitely, and I would say that for all ages,

1784
01:42:10.640 --> 01:42:14.319
it's important to start with focusing on that great self care,

1785
01:42:14.960 --> 01:42:18.319
eating well, staying hydrated, getting out in the sunshine, getting

1786
01:42:18.319 --> 01:42:22.840
some exercise, and getting lots of sleep. So that means

1787
01:42:22.880 --> 01:42:25.720
that there have to be limits put on the devices.

1788
01:42:25.760 --> 01:42:29.279
We recommend no more than two hours of non academic

1789
01:42:29.319 --> 01:42:31.960
screen time of day, which is a whole lot less

1790
01:42:32.000 --> 01:42:34.119
than a lot of our kids are doing. But it

1791
01:42:34.159 --> 01:42:37.319
interferes with their focus and their concentration and their sleep.

1792
01:42:37.720 --> 01:42:40.600
So that's where I think parents probably need to start

1793
01:42:40.960 --> 01:42:45.760
with reinforcing those good self care practices and limiting the devices.

1794
01:42:46.600 --> 01:42:49.239
Well, you know, we're coming out of the summer months

1795
01:42:49.239 --> 01:42:52.720
where maybe we got a little lax and you know

1796
01:42:52.760 --> 01:42:55.960
when parents bless their hearts, I mean, everybody's working and

1797
01:42:56.000 --> 01:42:57.760
we're still trying to manage well, we've got kids at

1798
01:42:57.760 --> 01:43:02.319
home and all that, and maybe there's some extracurricular activities

1799
01:43:02.319 --> 01:43:04.399
we've been able to get them involved with. But now

1800
01:43:04.399 --> 01:43:07.399
we've got to get ready for school, right, and so

1801
01:43:07.479 --> 01:43:09.800
now we've got to get back to best practices. Not

1802
01:43:09.880 --> 01:43:14.079
to mention that, you know, in the recent years, we've

1803
01:43:14.119 --> 01:43:18.039
talked a lot about the interference of social media and

1804
01:43:18.159 --> 01:43:22.720
how its interactivity is sometimes not as good as we

1805
01:43:22.760 --> 01:43:24.000
thought or hoped it would be.

1806
01:43:25.119 --> 01:43:29.079
That's absolutely true. Social media has been shown to be

1807
01:43:29.119 --> 01:43:32.680
a contributor to the rising rates of depression and anxiety

1808
01:43:33.279 --> 01:43:39.399
and also suicide, and while that thankfully does not affect

1809
01:43:39.439 --> 01:43:42.760
all kids, it does tend to raise some of the

1810
01:43:42.920 --> 01:43:47.760
concerns for kids and also is extremely distracting and really

1811
01:43:47.840 --> 01:43:52.399
teaching kids' brains to be very unfocused and very distracted,

1812
01:43:52.439 --> 01:43:56.880
which is very counterintuitive to what's needed for school, which

1813
01:43:56.920 --> 01:44:01.560
is obviously focused and concentration and also being able to

1814
01:44:01.560 --> 01:44:04.600
stay awake all day exactly. Oh yeah, by the way,

1815
01:44:04.680 --> 01:44:07.479
a million on their social media and so that's not good.

1816
01:44:07.720 --> 01:44:10.560
Right, well, Jonny, And I'm sure with you know, the

1817
01:44:10.600 --> 01:44:13.560
families and the kids that you interact with, you know,

1818
01:44:13.640 --> 01:44:16.439
this is a bit of a spectrum issue. Yes, there's

1819
01:44:16.479 --> 01:44:20.000
some kids on the spectrum that get so depressed and

1820
01:44:20.079 --> 01:44:24.119
it leads to suicide. Other kids maybe it doesn't affect

1821
01:44:24.119 --> 01:44:27.680
them as much, but there's still the idea that there's

1822
01:44:27.720 --> 01:44:31.600
an effect there concerns me because it's it's kind of like,

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you know, we would say it. My dad would say,

1824
01:44:33.640 --> 01:44:35.119
it's a little chink in the armor.

1825
01:44:35.840 --> 01:44:37.000
Yes, that makes sense.

1826
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Yeah, it's just good practice for kids to be healthy

1827
01:44:42.119 --> 01:44:45.760
and be moving around and not just be sitting all

1828
01:44:45.840 --> 01:44:48.760
day to get some exercise, but also to get some sleep,

1829
01:44:48.800 --> 01:44:51.800
and of course as they start back to school, they

1830
01:44:51.840 --> 01:44:55.119
need more sleep. So parents need to help their kids

1831
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get into those routines that help them succeed in school.

1832
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School's all about routine in structure. You know, you get

1833
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up at a certain time, you go you either stay

1834
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in the same classroom but you go through different subjects,

1835
01:45:06.720 --> 01:45:09.960
or in middle school, junior high, high school, you go

1836
01:45:10.000 --> 01:45:13.600
to different classes. It's all about the routine and structure

1837
01:45:13.640 --> 01:45:17.079
we keep. So those routines at home need to be

1838
01:45:17.159 --> 01:45:19.640
restarted that might have been laxed during the summer, which

1839
01:45:19.680 --> 01:45:22.880
is kind of a good strategy for families to let

1840
01:45:22.920 --> 01:45:24.680
things slide a little bit in the summer for some

1841
01:45:24.800 --> 01:45:28.119
rest and relaxation. But now is the time, if their

1842
01:45:28.239 --> 01:45:32.039
kids are not back in school, to start those bedtime routines,

1843
01:45:32.079 --> 01:45:35.239
getting up in the morning, et cetera. For those people

1844
01:45:35.399 --> 01:45:39.479
in districts where the school has not started yet, that

1845
01:45:39.520 --> 01:45:42.720
would be my advice. Start doing that this week so

1846
01:45:42.760 --> 01:45:45.399
that you know they either have a week or two

1847
01:45:45.880 --> 01:45:47.640
to get in the habit of going to bed on

1848
01:45:47.680 --> 01:45:50.760
time and getting up on time. If they've already started, well,

1849
01:45:50.840 --> 01:45:55.640
now is the time to begin to say this is bedtime.

1850
01:45:55.720 --> 01:45:57.920
That's when you need to be in bed. Start those

1851
01:45:58.000 --> 01:46:00.720
routines of getting ready for bed, maybe half an hour

1852
01:46:00.720 --> 01:46:03.560
ahead of time, or depending on kids, younger kids may

1853
01:46:03.600 --> 01:46:06.000
need more time than that. And then get up in

1854
01:46:06.039 --> 01:46:09.079
the morning. Even for those kids who haven't started, get

1855
01:46:09.159 --> 01:46:11.119
up as if they're going to go to school, go

1856
01:46:11.199 --> 01:46:13.920
through the routine so they're ready to go on day one.

1857
01:46:14.560 --> 01:46:16.880
Well, Johnny, speaking of routine, is how does that routine

1858
01:46:16.920 --> 01:46:22.279
differ between a young girl versus a young boy.

1859
01:46:24.079 --> 01:46:27.880
Well, I'm glad you asked that, because the routines are

1860
01:46:28.239 --> 01:46:32.479
fairly similar for younger kids. But as they get old

1861
01:46:32.520 --> 01:46:36.199
and as they develop and grow, girls start to pay

1862
01:46:36.359 --> 01:46:39.319
a lot of attention to their grooming and what they're

1863
01:46:39.319 --> 01:46:43.079
wearing and that kind of thing, and boys not so much.

1864
01:46:43.680 --> 01:46:49.239
And especially when they get into those preteen and adolescent years.

1865
01:46:49.840 --> 01:46:52.800
You know, boys are growing underarm hair and here on

1866
01:46:52.840 --> 01:46:55.279
their body and so forth, and they often are very

1867
01:46:55.319 --> 01:46:59.479
active and moving around and they can get very smelly.

1868
01:47:00.159 --> 01:47:04.199
So those routines need to include grooming for both boys

1869
01:47:04.199 --> 01:47:06.960
and girls. Most girls don't need much tutoring on that.

1870
01:47:07.520 --> 01:47:10.439
A lot of boys need some tutoring and some mentoring

1871
01:47:10.960 --> 01:47:13.479
about how to take care of yourself, especially as they

1872
01:47:13.520 --> 01:47:16.439
get older and they're beginning to show more interest in

1873
01:47:16.560 --> 01:47:19.640
dating and that kind of thing. You know, young ladies

1874
01:47:19.680 --> 01:47:23.640
are not particularly interested in boys that are smelly. It

1875
01:47:23.720 --> 01:47:26.399
happens a lot, and it can happen for girls too.

1876
01:47:26.840 --> 01:47:31.279
Sometimes girls let things slack, but that's probably the biggest difference.

1877
01:47:31.319 --> 01:47:33.119
And then the other piece I would say is that

1878
01:47:33.479 --> 01:47:36.000
I've never seen any research on this, but I would

1879
01:47:36.079 --> 01:47:39.880
just say, having worked in the school system for many years,

1880
01:47:41.000 --> 01:47:44.960
I would say that the girls tend to be able

1881
01:47:45.039 --> 01:47:49.039
to switch in terms of organizational skills a little bit

1882
01:47:49.119 --> 01:47:53.239
quicker than boys. So helping all kids, but especially boys,

1883
01:47:53.279 --> 01:47:56.920
with those organizational skills of getting things ready, getting your

1884
01:47:56.960 --> 01:48:00.279
backpack ready, your lunch ready, if you take lunch, those

1885
01:48:00.359 --> 01:48:03.760
kinds of things, they tend to be easier skills for

1886
01:48:03.880 --> 01:48:06.159
girls and not as much for boys. But boys can

1887
01:48:06.199 --> 01:48:08.000
certainly learn very easily.

1888
01:48:08.319 --> 01:48:11.439
Right well, And the thing is, again, this is where

1889
01:48:11.520 --> 01:48:14.560
it does take because every child's different, right Joni, I mean,

1890
01:48:15.079 --> 01:48:17.239
And that's the air thing too, it's not one size

1891
01:48:17.279 --> 01:48:19.560
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1892
01:48:19.600 --> 01:48:21.319
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1893
01:48:21.319 --> 01:48:23.399
even get your own lunch together for you to get

1894
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to work on time, and get everybody there and take

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a body count to make sure we're not leaving somebody

1896
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at home accidentally, right, because it's bad enough because some

1897
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parents have a hard time leaving their kids at church

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on Sunday. You know, I can't even tell you how

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many stories I've heard.

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They Oh yeah, Now, the great thing there is that

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kids really do need to learn to be independent and

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take care of themselves. There's no reason why moms or

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dads should be still making lunches or getting things ready

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for kids when they get in those upper primary grades.

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Of course, they need help in preschool, in kindergarten, maybe

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first second grade, but honestly, and there are plenty of

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you know, seven eight year olds who are perfectly capable

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of packing their backpacks and packing their lunches and so forth.

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And if they're not, they are certainly old enough to learn.

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That's a very concrete skill that a young you know,

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second or third grader can learn. And kudos to those

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of you who might be listening and laughing saying, oh,

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my kids have been doing that since they were five,

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So we want them to learn to be independent, and

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so you shouldn't have to be doing all of that

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for them, right.

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Yeah. I have a friend at church have nine kids, Jony,

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and one of the guys is, how do you handle this?

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He goes, I don't they handle it because I raised

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them very early to say, hey, look at everybody's got

1921
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a job to do, you know, you know, it's shared

1922
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responsibility here. So you know, kudos for him to be

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able to do that, because for some people they're having

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a hard time with just one or two kids, and

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this family of nine, I mean, they're like a smooth

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running machine.

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Yeah you know what other else happens with families of nine.

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They don't have time to worry about the little silly

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things that often other people worry about. So I know,

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I was a preschool teacher for a while, and I

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just remember, you know, the moms or dads who would

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show up and they'd just be wringing their hands because

1933
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their child had two socks on that didn't match. You

1934
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know what, that just doesn't matter, it's not important. It

1935
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really is that we had a family at our church

1936
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that I think had eight or nine kids, and I

1937
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remember one day seeing them in church and all of

1938
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their shoes were mismatched and their socks were mismatched. You

1939
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know what, it didn't matter. And very often moms and

1940
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dads get very anxious about everything has to be perfect

1941
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before they go to school. Here's what will happen. I

1942
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have a granddaughter, by the way, whose trademark is to

1943
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wear different socks that don't match every day. She does

1944
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that intentionally, and everyone knows is it about her? And

1945
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they laugh and they have fun with it. It's a

1946
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fun thing. Of course, she knows how to match socks,

1947
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but she does it for the fun of it, and

1948
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it's kind of a fun thing that labels her. So

1949
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moms and dads don't stress about things. If you know

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they didn't pack their lunch perfectly, maybe they get to

1951
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school and they're more hungry. Guess what, you let those

1952
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natural consequences take place and they'll remember the next time

1953
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they pack their lunch to pack plenty of food. Or

1954
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if in the younger ages, sometimes kids they just can't

1955
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get themselves dressed when you know that they need to

1956
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be getting dressed. If they end up going to school

1957
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in PJ pants one day. Let them go in PJ pants,

1958
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and I assure you it'll be a one day thing

1959
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because everyone will say why are you in your pgs.

1960
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That's what we call a natural consequence. You just let

1961
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the consequence of that that happens naturally without intervention, and

1962
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that teaches kids and then.

1963
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They will teach It teaches adults too, Joni, Yes, it does.

1964
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We were talking about all last week. It's interesting you

1965
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should bring it up. Is I said, look at consequences

1966
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are always there.

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Yeah.

1968
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The question is who is going to pay the consequence?

1969
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Right?

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Is it going to be the parent or is it

1971
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going to be the child who deserved the consequence? Right?

1972
01:52:18.079 --> 01:52:20.439
Exactly, And you can have fun with it. It's also

1973
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a great way to teach coping skills. Maybe the child

1974
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comes home and says, you know, so and so made

1975
01:52:26.520 --> 01:52:29.880
fun of me, and like, okay, and let's not be ashamed,

1976
01:52:29.960 --> 01:52:32.720
let's not feel guilty. Let's learn from this. This is

1977
01:52:32.760 --> 01:52:36.199
an opportunity to learn. Okay, so what did you do?

1978
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What do you want to do differently tomorrow? And almost

1979
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any kid can figure that out what I want to

1980
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do differently? And it also teaches you know, here's something

1981
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new for you to learn. Maybe think about some of

1982
01:52:48.960 --> 01:52:51.479
the things you need to do ahead of time and

1983
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how much time you need, et cetera. That's how they

1984
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start learning time management. It's all about learning. So school

1985
01:52:58.319 --> 01:53:00.800
is not just about learning that things that they learn

1986
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in the classroom, but also how to follow routines, how

1987
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to follow directions, how to respect authority, et cetera.

1988
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And that's good advice for parents, you know, especially those

1989
01:53:10.359 --> 01:53:12.600
of us who want to coddle our children. We don't

1990
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want them to get hurt or be offended and be

1991
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over rejective and stuff like that. And in fact, we're

1992
01:53:18.239 --> 01:53:20.439
getting it. We're getting in the way of the process,

1993
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right we are.

1994
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Because well, I would ask you, have you learned more

1995
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from your successes or more from your failures? You know,

1996
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most people will say I've learned more from my failures

1997
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because you learn persistence not giving up. You also learn

1998
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you know you're not going to try something that I

1999
01:53:40.279 --> 01:53:43.359
should say that everything you try is not going to

2000
01:53:43.439 --> 01:53:46.880
necessarily succeed the first time. But that doesn't mean you

2001
01:53:46.920 --> 01:53:49.399
give up. You keep trying. You think about all of

2002
01:53:49.399 --> 01:53:53.159
the invention, inventions that took thousands of twice before they

2003
01:53:53.159 --> 01:53:56.239
got to the final product. That's how they got there.

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They failed and failed and failed and failed over and

2005
01:53:59.439 --> 01:54:02.680
over some time times for years. That one time they

2006
01:54:02.720 --> 01:54:05.680
come up with the formula and it's an invention like

2007
01:54:05.760 --> 01:54:06.720
the light bulb that.

2008
01:54:06.600 --> 01:54:10.439
We use exactly like Thomass. That's right, you found out

2009
01:54:11.239 --> 01:54:13.359
you know here it is you failed ten thousand times.

2010
01:54:13.359 --> 01:54:15.880
He goes, oh, no, no, I just found out ten thousand

2011
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ways it didn't work exactly.

2012
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That's exactly what we want them to.

2013
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Know, right, exactly. Well, we got to leave it there.

2014
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Doctor Jony DeBrito has been our guest, licensed mental health

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professional and frequent Focus on the Family contributor, Johnny, thank

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you so much, Take care, God bless.

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You're so welcome. Thanks for having me on your show.

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