Aug. 12, 2025

The Bill Martinez Show 08 12 25

The Bill Martinez Show 08 12 25
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The Bill Martinez Show 08 12 25
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Are you ready?

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Yeah, Okay, let's do it.

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Ill Martinez Live a program about current events, our culture,

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our values, our politics, and our future.

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And now Bill Martinez, Good.

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Morning and welcome six minutes after the top of the hour.

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Right now, I'm Bill Martinez. He is John O'Connor. He

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is the legal analyst, author of Postgate, How the Washington

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Post betrayed Deep Throat, covered up Watergate, and began today's

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partisan advocacy journalism.

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John, Welcome back. Is always good to have you with us.

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What's your bill, Hey, lots to catch up on. Let's

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start with the Epstein grand jury files. The judge denies

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the Department of Justice requests to unseal those grand jury files.

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I thought that was a bit of a hope and

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a prayer. Anyway, what did you think.

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I thought it was just done for public consumption to

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make it look like the Trump administration was trying to

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do something thing. It was completely completely a hail Mary.

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They weren't gonna the judge isn't gonna release it, so

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they knew that, and it makes the public think that

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Trump's trying.

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So, I mean, we had a situation where a Trump representative,

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one of the top men man in the Department of Justice,

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meets with Elaine Maxwell, and then she gets moved to

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Club Club Fed I guess or something.

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Right, Yes, that's a good sign. It means that.

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You know that there's at least some chance that she'll cooperate.

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That's obviously she has done something to win the Club

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Fed assignment.

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Well, and also you've got James Comer affecting a subpoena

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for the Clintons.

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Well, that's right now.

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I don't know that that's to go anywhere, but because

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you know, there are all sorts of ways to shove

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shove off of that testimonial. But the question is is

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what is Julane Maxwell doing that has given her that

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little favor? And it could well be that what they're

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doing is they're getting her cooperation by having her tell

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her lawyer things and then the lawyer relays them to

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the government so that they'll get it may get a

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sense of what she's going to say.

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Well, and she was pretty emphatic.

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I mean, there was no compromise or misunderstanding whatsoever that

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in terms of the death of Epstein that she believes

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that he was murdered.

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Oh that's interesting.

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Yeah, yeah, Well she would know, and I think she

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would know if this is a guy that's going to

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commit suicide. And I tend to think he's not a

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suicidal guy. That's my thought that he he was a

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clever guy. You know, he could probably he knew enough

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to know that he could at least live in peace

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in the club, fed someplace.

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And he is a good.

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Candidate to remove from the general population because he's obviously

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a figure that people would end up you know, assaulting

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and so forth.

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So you know, he he could live his life out

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some way. And there we are.

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It's kind of interesting, John, don't you think that here's

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a man who thought he was, you know, pretty well

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protected with all the information that he had on.

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These key influencers. He led a charmed life.

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He was able to escape, you know, a serious offense

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in Florida, and he's thinking, okay, you know, I'll just

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navigate through this as well as I've done before. But

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suddenly he becomes the man that knows too much.

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Right, that's right. It's an intriguing thing. I'll tell you this.

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It was clear that the to me that the guards

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were bribed, that there was an inside deal there. Now,

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whether they're being bribed to allow him to commit suicide

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or being bribed to allow somebody to kill him is

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the question.

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But they were clearly bribed.

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I mean, it's just ridiculous that in a situation like

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that that and you know, no one would be watching.

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Well, and where's the accountability?

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I mean that that seems to be the word of

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the day constantly, that you know, comes into effect on

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all these issues, whether it's Epstein, whether it's uh, you know,

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thousands of emails from Hillary Clinton.

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You know.

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Of course, then we've got the the release of the

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do O j FBI burned bag information that really, boy,

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I'll tell you that really implicates even Barack Obama and

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his uh, you know, his key players on this whole

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situation of Russia Gate.

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What I would say is the in case is not

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unusual to me. Whenever you're dealing with sexual misconduct, that

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is something that is necessarily kept under the rug. And

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I think there's probably an awful lot of abuse throughout

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this country that's occurring right now that's not going to

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get prosecuted or discovered.

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I hate to say that, but that's just the way

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of the world. Right.

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But when you get into this stuff that deals with

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the high levels of government, where we really, really where

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you have paper trails on what people do. To me,

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it's very disturbing that there hasn't been anything done on

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this whole Russia Gate hoax.

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It's there, It's there.

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In black and white now and I think, finally, nine

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years after the fact, we're getting to this.

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Will John compare this to Watergate?

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Oh, not even a comparison. Watergate was penny Anny chicken

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feed stuff. And the people that were alleged to be

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the wrongdoers, the Nixon Noble Office. They had no clue.

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The Washington Post, the media knew more about what had

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happened than did the Oval Office. And remember the Oval

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Office is being charged with cover up. Nixon and all

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his aides were supposedly covering this up.

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What were they covering up? Well, they didn't know. They

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did not know.

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They thought maybe than John Mitchell, who was no longer

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in the Oval Office he was off running the campaign,

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that maybe he had done this. And it was maybe

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a year after the burglary where they finally figured out,

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you know something, we believe Mitchell and Mitchell didn't have

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anything to do with this. Who did do this? So

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they never knew, so but the press blew it up

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to be this, oh, this tremendously saturnine conspiracy, and it

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really wasn't. The real conspiracy in Watergate was the conspiracy

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of the CIA, who had infiltrated and had been behind this.

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And number two, the Washington Post protecting the CIA by

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land based in the White House. So it was it

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was a journalistically impelled scandal, and it was journalistic fraud.

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And let's let me just say that.

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Whereas and the common thread here is that rush Gate

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could not have gone forward without the complicity of the media.

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Right well, and all the players, the intelligence community all

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chimed in again just like you know, you follow the

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outline of what the CIA was able to do in

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cooperation with the mainstream media, and what they were able

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to do to Richard Nixon. I mean here here, Richard

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Nixon wins, I mean not that long ago with a landslide,

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I mean all but one state he carries and and

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they get rid of him like nothing.

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Well, that's right, that's right.

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And that's because they started this drum beat of publicity

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and the Republicans were, you know again, just hapless folks

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who didn't want to do any any wrong. And it

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started a whole process for the next how long it's

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been fifty years. The Republicans are just sort of Patsy's

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and they try to be nice and play along. And

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there are a lot of cynical people that know they

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can gin up scandals, and they know they have the

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media behind them, and that's always been a big deal.

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How do we get the media behind us? And no

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Republicans had ever figured it out. Trump actually figured it

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out by saying, I'm calling it to their face. I'm

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not gonna play this game anymore. John McCain thought, Oh,

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if I'm a straight talking, honest guy, they're going to

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go with me when it comes to And then, of course,

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as soon as McCain gets nominated, The Washington the New

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York Times write some trash about how he must be

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although we don't know he must be having an affair

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with a young lobbyist right whether there's absolutely not a

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shred ap proof, and yet that's a front page story

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in the New York Times.

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So we got John, we got to go to quick break.

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We'll pick it up on the other side. More from

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John O'Connor after.

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Hey, we're back with you nineteen minutes after the top

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of the hour. I'm Bill Martinez. He's John O'Connor, analyst,

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author of Closegate John before the Break where you were

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just talking about John McCain and how he deluded himself

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into thinking somehow he could side with the legacy media.

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Boy, they the knives came out quick, didn't they.

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As as soon as he's up there in the batter's box,

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they come after him. So you don't get any credit

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with these guys by trying to be a nice guy.

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The fact is is that Trump did it the right way,

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I think, And that's one of the reasons Trump has

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a steady corps of followers is because he goes right

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at the media and he calls him fake news. And

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actually the word fake news is something that the media

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had started using to characterize conservatives who made things up supposedly,

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and he came right back at him, and I think

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they've never been the same since Trump has come in

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because people say, yeah, you know, the guy's right, the

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guy's right, this is fake news. And you guys have

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got to get straight here, because we cannot have a

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country and a democracy where the people are given false,

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knowingly false information on a daily basis. You cannot have that.

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The foundation they talk to us all the time about

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the foundation of a democracy is a free press.

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Yes, democracy does die.

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In darkness, as the Post says every day, right, but

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if you guys are causing the darkness, that's a real issue, right.

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And the thing is is that here you've got the

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partisan journalists that are out in the wilderness with the

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Democrats like going in circles. You know, they're just out

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in the desert going in circles right now. They can't

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seem to figure this out because they just don't have

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the conscience and the moral depth to be able to

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come back and say, hey, you know what we messed up?

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And I believe that if they were upfront with the

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American people and admitting to what they did and professing,

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you know, some sort of rehabilitation, then they might be

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on the road to come back. But until then, I mean,

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thank god for you know, podcast and independent journalists that

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are now out there in record numbers. John Otherwise we

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you know a lot of this stuff that have been

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covered up. I mean, even like right now we're just

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talking to somebody else. Could you imagine if Kamala Harris

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would have been elected president where we'd be right now.

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and independent journalists as we do now in the internet days,

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Kamala Harris would be our president. This whole thing, even

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with this phony, all the woke progressive stuff that's so silly,

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she still would have been elected. That's what bothers and

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so yes, to a certain extent, the Democratic Party's exposed.

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They've got a terrible set of ideas and so forth.

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But they were led that way by the media that

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always sold so everybody buys it, and they're like little lemmings. Oh,

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we're all doing DEI now, Oh, let's all bow down

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to DEI principles. Oh we're into transgenderism. Let's all bow

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down and say that six foot eight men should be

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in women's sports. It's just silly, But they're being protected

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by the media. If the media had been more honest

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and straightforward and two sided, the Democrats would not be

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in this problem. They would have been much more moderate,

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they would have been much more Bill Clinton like, and

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they would have been electable. So they've got to start

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thinking about the new media really is what they do

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that they cannot get away with this stuff anymore. And

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I think also the media itself, the old media, the

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legacy media, realizes it just cannot go along the same way.

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It just cannot be. They can't be part of the

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lemming group. It's marching to the sea exactly.

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Well, we're in interesting times right now, John, where the

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veil is being pulled back. You know, I keep saying

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that Donald Trump is ap apocalyptic type character here because

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he's pulling back the shroud at every turn. I mean,

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you know, we're now seeing more information as we mentioned

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earlier regarding Russia Gate, all these things that Trump is

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going after is just common sensical. And the Democrats find

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themselves and the opposite. I mean, here you get eighty

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twenty issues, ninety ten issues, and you can count on

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the Democrats to go after the ten percent.

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There's no adjustment and reasonableness to even come to the

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and moderate their thinking.

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They just they hate Trump.

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It's like they've reduced themselves to hating Trump and hating

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America and Americans.

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That's right. It's a strange combination with Trump.

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I mean, you've got an odd character, really in a

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story figure, whatever you say about whether you like him

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or hate him, he has a world historical figure and

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he's all about common sense. But then in expressing it

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and in carrying it out, he just has no holds barred.

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He uses the media and he expresses all this common

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sense in a very much in your face way, in

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a very New Yorky here's what I'm saying, blunt, brash way,

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hate Trump so much, because he is coming right at

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him and not holding back and not being like a

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typical lockjaw country club Republican who's afraid to say anything nasty, which.

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We've always had. And now he's doing that.

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He's taking common sense and putting it right in their faces.

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And of course they hate them.

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And of course you never hear anybody you pick up

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The New York Times, I still subscribe to the Times,

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But I picked up the Times opinion piece, opinion section,

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and it's the same thing. You don't find any ideas there.

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All you find is negative stories about Trump or what

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is happening in this country. Everything in there is just, oh,

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this is terrible. And if the news is printed about

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an event, it stated in the most negative way possible,

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you know, so.

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You know it.

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Is.

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Trump really explains why these people hate him so much.

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They hate him because he's put in common sense right

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in their face and what are they doing about it?

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So it's a formula that works. And listen, there are

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a lot of and the reason it's so resonant with

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men is you get a guy out there that's an

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electrician or plumber. He didn't care what people are going

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to say about whether he's right or wrong, going to say, look, no,

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this is the way I think he doesn't lose a

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plumbing job because of those political views. Yes, you know,

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people like me can people like me can lose clients

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because we're on the wrong side of politics. That doesn't happen.

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And that's why the men are leading the charge on

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this common sense stuff.

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Right. Well, look what he's done to DC.

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He announced today we're going to clean up DC, you know,

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having people accosted elected officials. I mean, it was just

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such a shame that this young kid, nineteen year old

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that was there on the Doge project and you know

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it almost got beat to death. And so Trump is saying,

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look it, I'm ready to deploy one thousand National Guard troops.

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And unlike what happened in January sixth, Muriel Bowser is saying, hey,

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look at we're on the same team.

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Let's clean Let's clean this, you know, this city up.

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Here, they're so worried about the January sixth stuff, and

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they're still right as Trump was getting elected the second time,

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they're still chasing January sixth people. If you came within

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you know, half a mile of the Capitol, they would

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get your phone records and go after you and so forth.

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They're big on that.

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But all the people who have been carjacked and assaulted

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on all that, oh no, they're not going to worry

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about that. And so I think it's a good thing

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that Trump is doing this. And again once again he's

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calling attention to something and he's forcing the other people

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either to go along or to look silly.

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Exactly, well, and the thing is, who doesn't want, you know,

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safe neighborhoods and safe cities again, especially what we're seeing

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every time you turn the TV on. You know, you

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got police officers being shot, you got ice agents being docks.

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I mean here, you've got what is it, the attacks

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on ice agents up over eight eight percent now, John, yeah.

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Yeah, yeah.

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And and and that's again, is a drama that does

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not look good for the Democrats.

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Trump is trying to clean things up.

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Now, I'll say this, I'm like a lot of Republicans,

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a lot of conservatives, you know, I have a little

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trepidation about rating and arresting people who are been here

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for five or ten years and are doing their jobs.

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I'd like to see those people be the last people

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that we deal with. And I'd like to see a

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robust green card program to protect people in those industries

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even if they're not citizens and get a green card program.

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But that said, on the edges, the fact is rounding

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up the bad guys is something we all want.

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Right and when you throw the net, you're going to

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catch some of these people, unfortunately, But I agree with you,

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and hopefully through this process we find a way to

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imploy some common sense in this area. I you know,

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people have been here for you know, twenty thirty years

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and working and you know, and raising families in this country.

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I mean, that's been a mistake that we have. You know,

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it's on us. But the current you know, the current

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surge of fifteen to twenty million illegal immigrants who came

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with ties to cartels. Those I have problems when along

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with all the gang members, and I think that's where

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seventy eighty percent of America says, let's get them out

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of here.

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This other stuff. I'm with you.

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I'm open for reasonable compromise, but getting into this situation

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to fast track people into citizenship, that's a whole other issue,

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because I believe that was negotiated back during the Reagan

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years when the Democrats said, hey, just give us these

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three million and we'll never ask again.

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Exactly exactly trust us, you know.

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So, you know, the the gangs in California are not

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really talked about much, but they're very, very strong illegal gangs.

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The Cidenios in the south, the D'artagno's in the north,

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and it's a pretty rough group there. And if we

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can get some of the bad guys out, that would

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be fine.

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Well, I think that's what America voted. That's why they

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voted for Donald Trump because they knew that he was

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the guy to do it. So, you know, yes, like

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with everything, it's a process, and no doubt, it's not

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going to be an easy thing. You can't deal with

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this many people. I talk to my friends, they go, well,

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you know, how many people is the expert?

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Do you realize?

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I mean, you know, it would take him longer than

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the years that he has in office to clear out.

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I don't know what the number fifteen twenty million has

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been estimated that came in during Biden. Even if you

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take the low number ten million, you still can't you know,

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can't do it.

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No, you can't do it. Yeah, And of course that

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really harms society in so many ways because we're straining

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our safety net. We're the black workers who are not

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at least those who are not in the educated eleade,

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were harming the entry level young men who are trying

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to get into the workforce because there's so many illegals

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that are coming in and taking those jobs, really harming people.

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And that's the Democrats can talk about DEI all they want,

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but they're really harming the poor whites and the poor

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blacks who are trying to get up there and get

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into the workforce.

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And it's a shame to see that.

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Well, I agree one hundred percent. John O'Connor has been

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our guest. He is the legal analyst and author of Postgate,

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How the Washington Post betrayed Deep Throat, covered up Watergate,

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and began today's partisan advocacy journalism. John, thanks again for

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the time. Appreciate it. Take care of my friend.

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Good talking to you always.

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Well, good morning and welcome back Bill Martinez here, and

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speaking of welcome back, welcome back doctor Shaye Bradley Ferrell,

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the author of the book The Last Morning to the West,

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Doctor Shae, how you doing.

549
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I'm good, Bill, And you know I miss it when

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I'm not on the show and seeing your face.

551
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And all, well, you're you're very kind. It's been too long.

552
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You can't do this to me.

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00:30:52.359 --> 00:30:54.680
You know, I got to have my almost at least

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monthly dose of doctor Shae Bradley Ferrell.

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Or it's just not the same, you know.

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That's very kin thankful.

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00:31:00.599 --> 00:31:04.599
Well, I'm very honest too. Hey, lots to catch up on,

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00:31:05.599 --> 00:31:08.519
you know, a lot of positive things happening globally. I mean,

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in such a short matter of time. You and I

560
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talked about this the last time.

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The Trump factor, I mean here America on the world

562
00:31:17.440 --> 00:31:23.880
stage was an absolute disaster. Wars were breaking out. I mean,

563
00:31:23.960 --> 00:31:28.519
our foreign policy was in in uh was being shattered

564
00:31:29.200 --> 00:31:31.839
at every turn, and Donald Trump had some had some

565
00:31:31.960 --> 00:31:32.880
major cleanup to do.

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Are you amazed at how fast he was able to

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do this?

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I am, And I love how much he is disrupting

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the status quo beill. So he is recreating the economic

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system with the trade issues from the tear ups that

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have been going on. He's recreating the political system. You know,

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00:31:53.119 --> 00:31:58.559
the globalists are so focused on a rules based international order,

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but the rules don't always makes sense and you know,

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make things successful. Trump doesn't care about their rules. The

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foreign policy establishment has this idea of the way things

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that should go, and it doesn't matter if it's practical

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or not. So, you know this EU, the European Union

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trade deal that he just did. I was doing some

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reading on it, and I you know, the media and

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00:32:25.160 --> 00:32:29.839
the foreign policy establishment is calling it economic bullying. Well,

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to use a phrase, Bill, that's ball. The European Union,

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they are our partners, but they have been raising tariffs

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against US and other barriers to our industries, going into

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their economies against US for decades. If you look at

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the US put out a foreign trade barriers document recently,

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you look at that. I tried to read the European

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Union's barriers against US. I gave up after fifty pages.

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I just can't do it anymore. So they've been doing

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this for decades, although we've tried to negotiate a better

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deal with them, and they wouldn't do it. So Trump

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is putting America first back in our diplomacy.

592
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Exactly.

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I'm encouraged by it.

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Bill.

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Well, the deal is it's okay if we're called a bully,

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because that's how you handle a bully.

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You bully a bully.

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Yeah, And the EU has been a bully and they've

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taken all kinds of advantage, and look at how many

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presidents just kind of you know, let it go at

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the expense of the American people.

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And to the.

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Point of where we are right now, doctor Shay, is

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that you got a lot of young people look in

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our country and just saying, wait a minute, capitalism is

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in jeopardy, it's not performing, it's no longer affordable. And

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so then you get some crazy guy out of New

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York promoting communists and socialistic ideals, and they're ready to

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jump ship.

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Right.

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So, because I think young people need something to believe in, right,

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and also they're being being told a lot of bunk

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all the time by universities and by the mainstream media.

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So that's why I'm grateful for shows like yours to

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get the truth out. The same thing is happening in Europe.

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I had a book tour in Europe this spring. I

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have been back several times for conferences to talk about

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American foreign policy because we have a lot of partners.

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There are a lot of people that are conservatives and

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the government and the Citizens Bill that are our friends,

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and they actually even understand the rebalancing of this trade.

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You know, the European Commission president, who is no prize.

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Let me tell you that Wonderland. She even said it

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was necessary to rebalance trade. But the Bill, here's the thing.

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The EU, they used to have a GDP of about

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ninety percent of Americas. They now have dropped down to

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about sixty five percent of hours. They have huge burdensome

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tax systems. They're bureau increasy is killing their industry. And

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then you know this whole Ukraine War that they have

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continued to promote rate them. Russia used energy against them

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and pulled energy back, which caused their prices to go out.

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So anyway, long story short, they need US markets because

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we are actually the one that buys the most from

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them any of their exports. But Bill, this is all

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indicative of what you started out saying in the beginning.

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I mean, I call it. I called Trump's new era

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of sovereigntist nationalism the foreign policy at the time. I

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00:35:40.239 --> 00:35:44.440
call it sovereigntist nationalism because he's not just protecting our

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sovereignty America. First, you see that with the trade deal,

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closing the borders, all of these things, but he also

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believes in protecting the sovereignty of our allies and our

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pace exactly. He especially did that by you know, saying

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that the UN Agency for International Development is not going

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to be doing programs over in countries anymore that trumpell

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and their religious freedom, their sovereignty, and their political systems.

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Yeah, you talk about a shift. This is a shift

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for everyone to make right now.

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And I think the world.

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Leaders, especially our allies, are saying, Okay, hey, we need

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to get on board here. This can be a win

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win proposition. And there's nothing wrong with being nationalistic, is there.

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No, it's actually what countries are made of. We get

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together and we agree on legal systems, we agree on

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economic systems, we agree on social systems, and then you

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have a nation that comes from that that's actually, know,

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part of what democracy is.

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Right right, exactly.

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So it's very important to do that. And Trump encourages

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other countries to put their country first. That's even a

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slogan of Hungary. You know, they put hungry first. Yes,

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that makes sense. Everybody takes care of themselves and then

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we help each other when we really need it. But

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you know, these tariffs were from the European Union, were

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an example of how far we've gone in the opposite direction, exactly,

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you know how you've heard globalists and people like Obama

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and some other people actually that shouldn't be saying this,

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that we have to rebalance power in the world. Well,

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00:37:31.239 --> 00:37:33.960
what that really means is the US is giving up

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our own power.

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Exactly How stupid is that to the globalist, to this

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other unelected body of oligarchs that have their own interests

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in mind, and it has nothing to do with our

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US constitution, free markets, or capitalism.

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That is exactly right, and that is it's hard to

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wrap your mind around the fact that people think this

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is normal, this status who So Trump has said, nope,

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we're not We're not going to pay your tariffs anymore.

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And nope, we're gonna pay We're not going to pay

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more than our fair share of NATO, you know, and

680
00:38:12.480 --> 00:38:16.519
so everybody's going, oh, bully, bully, threatening.

681
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Threatening, he's a fascist, he's a fascist.

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Oh my gosh, it's nobody. No president, you know, in

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the past decades has really done as much as he

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has to address this. We've been doing this kind of

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thing since the end of World War Two with a

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Marshall Plan and then we had this huge decades And

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I'm a former international development professional, so I know this firsthand.

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We had decades of also giving other countries priority in

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we really would want them, right, So that was another example,

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and that's why Trump has tried to also, you know,

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balance the power with China.

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Yeah, not balance.

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I didn't mean that.

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Well, no, but I understand what you're saying. But I mean,

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you know, fair's fair.

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What has China done. You know what they've done is

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they've gone and absconded. You know, all these trade deals

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for mineral deals and advantage that is all about China first,

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and it's not any kind of consideration to any kind

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of alliance with these other countries. I mean, they're just

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putting the squeeze on them and putting them in a

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position to where they will default and then they end

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up going into bankruptcy and guess who holds the note.

705
00:39:36.920 --> 00:39:39.639
Yeah, that's right. And you know this whole Ukraine War

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thing with Biden putting sanctions on Russia that did not work.

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So I don't know why people right now are saying, oh,

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you know, the sanctions, they never worked. First of all,

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so Russia instead of selling its energy to the EU,

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which is very heavily has been reliant on Russian energy,

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constricted that amount so that energy prices soared in Europe

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and hurt their economy further. But Bill then they turned

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around and sold the same energy to China for half price,

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so it helped both of them. And that's only one

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example of how their alliance has strengthened under the Biden administration.

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And you're right, we gotta rectify this. And I think

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that President Trump, I don't think I know is he

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is doing very.

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Well without a doubt on behalf of the American people.

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As promised, we're back with you. Doctor Shay continues with us.

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She's a strategist and foreign policy, national security and president

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of Counterpoint Institute for Policy Research and Education in Washington, DC.

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She also is celebrating the first time you've got that's

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your article now running in a new location, and you've

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hit the ground running. I mean, I've saw the numbers

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on it right out the gate. You got a lot

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of people, a lot of buys on your article under

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Trump foreign policy as a return to sovereignty for the

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US and global nations.

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Great job, Thank you very much.

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Bill. I just became a regular columnist for Human Events,

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and I'm very excited about that because you know, that

802
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was called Ronald Reagan's favorite newspaper back in the day,

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and they've done a lot of good stuff. So it's

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really quite an honor.

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Well good and it's great to have your perspective on

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this because you bring a lot of a lot of

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leverage and experience on these particular issues that people aren't

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talking about that are really important. And some people may say,

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doctor Sha, well this is nuanced, but it's all elemental.

810
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All these different elements and box cars, so to speak,

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tie into one another and you get this reaction that

812
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takes place and it's easy. I mean, you can react

813
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and get knee jerky, but you really miss If you

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don't understand the full nuance, then you're going to get

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yourself in deeper trouble, right, Yes.

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And a lot of the problem though, and I know

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people talk about this all the time, but I am

818
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just especially angered by this is the media because, like

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I said, I was in Europe a lot, and this

820
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is what I meant to say. I guess I didn't.

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I've been in Europe a lot in the past three months,

822
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and all the media that they are getting there is

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negative about Trump. So they're not explaining what you and

824
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I are talking about right now. It's all negative, you know,

825
00:46:35.920 --> 00:46:38.760
and the US is going downhill and it's a bunch

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of Belgney. So it's the nuances have to be talked

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about over and over and over again, right, correct, All

828
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of these things are working together.

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For good, right exactly.

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Well.

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And the thing is this is the power of the

832
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truth is it comes out, And this is what's happening

833
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in our country. I mean, the mainstream media has been

834
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greatly exposed, you know. Ever since Trump, you know, came

835
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down the escalator, all the media has been focused on

836
00:47:06.360 --> 00:47:10.599
negative I mean, MRC continues to do research and reports

837
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on it. Ninety five percent of what they report is

838
00:47:13.559 --> 00:47:16.199
negative about Donald Trump. And I've said that this is

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he's probably one of the most apocalyptic figures on the

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political scene ever because he's exposed all this, I mean,

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now to the point we're exposing the FBI and what

842
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really happened with Russia Gate, Doctor Sha, I mean, and

843
00:47:31.760 --> 00:47:34.719
this is just the beginning. It's like, Okay, you know,

844
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can you handle the truth? Because this is really this

845
00:47:38.719 --> 00:47:42.119
is bad stuff. When you got a president, a sitting

846
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president of the United States, manipulating an incoming president's administration

847
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in the manner in which Barack Obama did, I mean,

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there's got to be I mean, America is outraged and

849
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there has to be consequences.

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On thiste lately. And you gotta love Tulci Gabbard. She's

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that I actually met her a few years ago and

852
00:48:06.719 --> 00:48:10.480
had a good conversation with her. But saying that Obama's

853
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actions were treason us. She got right to the heart

854
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of the matter, didn't she.

855
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A Yeah, she really did proud of that.

856
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But you know, Chris, my husband and I that you

857
00:48:20.119 --> 00:48:23.480
know so well, we were talking today like what has happened?

858
00:48:23.679 --> 00:48:26.840
We know about the Russian Russian hoax, the you know,

859
00:48:26.920 --> 00:48:30.119
the Obama is involved. We have we're just talking about

860
00:48:30.159 --> 00:48:34.199
it right now, and we need we need some real

861
00:48:34.400 --> 00:48:38.280
concrete consequences for this, and you know so many other

862
00:48:38.320 --> 00:48:39.800
things that have been revealed.

863
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Bill Well, uh, the neat stuff about it is even

864
00:48:44.280 --> 00:48:47.920
the cultural reaction that's going on, doctor Sha and that

865
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is is that it's okay to be beautiful and blonde.

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Okay. I thought that one was such a stretch.

867
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You know, well you you thought you thought I was

868
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going and somewhere else with that. No, I'm just you know,

869
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with all that that's happened, it's like it's a breath

870
00:49:07.039 --> 00:49:10.039
of fresh air because now you can sit there and go, yeah,

871
00:49:10.039 --> 00:49:11.400
I mean, this isn't racist.

872
00:49:11.719 --> 00:49:14.920
It's just here's a beautiful woman. What what is wrong

873
00:49:14.960 --> 00:49:15.360
with that?

874
00:49:16.440 --> 00:49:19.559
Seriously? I just rolled my eyes. You want to talk

875
00:49:19.559 --> 00:49:23.079
about real Nazism, you know, read my book Last Morning

876
00:49:23.119 --> 00:49:27.480
to the West. That's real Nazism that hungry was under

877
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uh and oppressed for I guess, uh, I guess the

878
00:49:31.920 --> 00:49:33.679
Germans were in there for about a year, a year

879
00:49:33.719 --> 00:49:37.400
and a half. But that's real Nazism. What Poland went through.

880
00:49:37.440 --> 00:49:42.280
They just had the Warsaw Uprising Celebration anniversary. I was

881
00:49:42.280 --> 00:49:45.639
in the Warsaw Rising Museum this year. Bill, I had

882
00:49:45.639 --> 00:49:50.320
a book event in Warsaw. That's Nazism, you want to talk.

883
00:49:51.000 --> 00:49:57.599
I mean, yeah, this stupid cultural wou wocism. It's it's

884
00:49:57.639 --> 00:50:00.559
it's very hard to uh, you know, just take deep

885
00:50:00.599 --> 00:50:03.960
breath and move on because it's so ludicrous. But I

886
00:50:04.159 --> 00:50:07.480
think Bill that they do that in large part because

887
00:50:07.760 --> 00:50:11.480
they don't have real policies. They don't have real things

888
00:50:11.559 --> 00:50:14.280
to complain about, so they've got to make it up.

889
00:50:14.840 --> 00:50:18.519
Yeah, and what have they built? You know, what did

890
00:50:18.559 --> 00:50:21.119
Biden build up in the four years that he was there?

891
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Even Barack Obama? What did You can look back and

892
00:50:24.280 --> 00:50:26.719
you say, boy, I'm sure glad we got Obamacare.

893
00:50:27.360 --> 00:50:28.559
I'm sure glad.

894
00:50:28.840 --> 00:50:31.480
You know the way he handled he and Hillary Clinton

895
00:50:31.519 --> 00:50:32.480
handled BEng Ghazi.

896
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I mean it was just you know, which is a

897
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whole nother but.

898
00:50:36.840 --> 00:50:40.920
It's all See, it is all entangled in this bucket

899
00:50:40.960 --> 00:50:44.400
of lies that we're having to deal with, and now

900
00:50:44.440 --> 00:50:46.519
here it is and as you say, thank God for

901
00:50:46.599 --> 00:50:50.639
Tulsa Gabbard and the current administration that you know is

902
00:50:50.719 --> 00:50:53.719
going after this to really find out what the truth

903
00:50:53.719 --> 00:50:57.239
of the matter was. And you know what this effected.

904
00:50:57.320 --> 00:50:59.679
I mean, because you think of the end result. If

905
00:50:59.719 --> 00:51:02.440
Don Trump had been in office, we wouldn't have Russian

906
00:51:02.519 --> 00:51:04.239
Ukraine right now, right.

907
00:51:04.480 --> 00:51:07.920
Oh, that's absolutely true. Absolutely, we wouldn't have had a

908
00:51:07.960 --> 00:51:11.000
lot of things built. You said that Biden didn't build anything.

909
00:51:11.480 --> 00:51:14.400
You know, the first year, I was kind of confused, like,

910
00:51:14.480 --> 00:51:18.159
what is going on? You really believe these policies that

911
00:51:18.239 --> 00:51:21.719
are hurting America. Then I realized in short order that

912
00:51:21.840 --> 00:51:25.440
Biden was really trying to destroy America or whoever was

913
00:51:25.559 --> 00:51:29.119
using the autopen because we have you know, almost twenty

914
00:51:29.239 --> 00:51:32.119
million people here illegally, a lot of whom we don't

915
00:51:32.119 --> 00:51:32.840
know who they are.

916
00:51:33.320 --> 00:51:37.039
I spent weeks, well twenty that's twenty million plus plus

917
00:51:37.280 --> 00:51:40.519
because we already had probably twenty million. I mean, they

918
00:51:40.639 --> 00:51:43.320
kept using that number, which used to drive me nuts. Oh,

919
00:51:43.400 --> 00:51:45.840
eleven million. They use that for over ten years. Let

920
00:51:45.920 --> 00:51:50.719
me tell you what happens. You know, people reproduce, okay,

921
00:51:50.519 --> 00:51:54.239
so it's not a static number, that eleven. That eleven

922
00:51:54.320 --> 00:51:57.639
was probably twenty twenty five before Biden took office. He

923
00:51:57.800 --> 00:52:00.480
dumps in another twenty million. Now we're talking in forty

924
00:52:00.480 --> 00:52:04.360
five maybe fifty million illegals and currently in that current

925
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rash transh of illegals, how many of those were tied

926
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to cartels?

927
00:52:10.559 --> 00:52:13.119
Oh? Many of them? I was going to say. You know,

928
00:52:13.159 --> 00:52:16.880
I spent several weeks down at the border interviewing ranchers

929
00:52:16.920 --> 00:52:21.880
and sheriffs and people law enforcement, border patrol, even HSI

930
00:52:22.239 --> 00:52:25.400
finding out what was really going on. And the majority

931
00:52:25.400 --> 00:52:30.000
of people coming across were military aged men. Yes, a

932
00:52:30.039 --> 00:52:33.920
lot of them connected to cartels. Yes, nobody gets across

933
00:52:33.920 --> 00:52:37.280
the border without the cartels knowing it, because if you

934
00:52:37.360 --> 00:52:39.920
do that without them knowing it, they'll kill you or

935
00:52:40.239 --> 00:52:40.840
your family.

936
00:52:41.039 --> 00:52:43.360
It's very simple, because you're an asset.

937
00:52:43.760 --> 00:52:47.760
Because just in human trafficking alone, last year, doctor Sha,

938
00:52:48.079 --> 00:52:51.559
what thirteen billion dollars in human trafficking to the cartels

939
00:52:51.920 --> 00:52:52.840
and Bill.

940
00:52:52.599 --> 00:52:55.519
That's the part, honestly that breaks my heart. I had

941
00:52:55.519 --> 00:52:58.840
written a couple of stories about that, because I believe

942
00:52:58.880 --> 00:53:02.360
one of them was for human events. Actually, I believe

943
00:53:02.400 --> 00:53:06.679
that that was the largest human trafficking scheme probably in history,

944
00:53:07.159 --> 00:53:10.480
and nobody was talking about it. I did an interview

945
00:53:10.719 --> 00:53:14.199
with a man who is an emergency medical professional down

946
00:53:14.199 --> 00:53:17.760
there on the border, working along with the Border patrol,

947
00:53:18.440 --> 00:53:22.920
and this was near Del Rio, and big burly guy

948
00:53:23.480 --> 00:53:26.000
getting tears in his eyes telling me about the women

949
00:53:26.360 --> 00:53:28.800
who were fourteen and fifteen, if you want to call him,

950
00:53:28.840 --> 00:53:33.119
women that he had to help and seeing the effects

951
00:53:33.159 --> 00:53:36.079
of the rape that had happened to them as they

952
00:53:36.079 --> 00:53:39.719
were traveling along with men with a cartel whatever it is.

953
00:53:40.280 --> 00:53:41.760
One thing he said to me is you know you

954
00:53:41.800 --> 00:53:43.320
can see it in their eyes.

955
00:53:43.920 --> 00:53:44.159
Yeah.

956
00:53:45.000 --> 00:53:48.039
I mean we both cried over this because nobody's talked

957
00:53:48.039 --> 00:53:52.039
about that. Nobody's talked about the consequences. As he pointed

958
00:53:52.079 --> 00:53:54.840
out to me, you know about two three, four years

959
00:53:54.880 --> 00:53:59.039
from now, what is happening to these young women who

960
00:53:59.079 --> 00:54:00.880
went through such trauma.

961
00:54:00.599 --> 00:54:05.159
Because it's it's PTSD, they'll carry with them forever. And

962
00:54:05.199 --> 00:54:08.440
you're not even talking about the bodies of women that

963
00:54:08.519 --> 00:54:10.199
were left in the Darian pass right.

964
00:54:10.400 --> 00:54:13.159
That is exactly right, because there were bodies of women

965
00:54:13.280 --> 00:54:16.840
left all over the place, not even just there. Talk

966
00:54:16.920 --> 00:54:19.559
to another woman who was a rancher, her husband was

967
00:54:19.599 --> 00:54:24.320
actually border patrol and they found dead bodies on their property.

968
00:54:24.679 --> 00:54:27.760
Can you imagine quite often it was a very traumatic

969
00:54:28.039 --> 00:54:30.599
way for them to live. It was terrible.

970
00:54:31.119 --> 00:54:35.199
Well, look at Uh, I believe we're at a turning

971
00:54:35.239 --> 00:54:36.239
point in this country.

972
00:54:36.239 --> 00:54:38.880
But uh, there's going to be a lot, you know,

973
00:54:38.960 --> 00:54:39.920
like a lot to deal with.

974
00:54:39.960 --> 00:54:43.000
As you said, you know the PTSD issue, you know

975
00:54:43.119 --> 00:54:45.840
damage that was done. Uh you know you look at

976
00:54:45.880 --> 00:54:48.880
what Biden because you brought up that question what Biden

977
00:54:49.000 --> 00:54:52.599
was doing, Well, Biden was continuing the fundamental transformation of

978
00:54:52.639 --> 00:54:55.800
this country that was started by by Barack Obama. Right

979
00:54:56.719 --> 00:54:59.800
because because because all the acolytes that were involved in

980
00:54:59.840 --> 00:55:03.360
the in the Obama administration had carried over and then

981
00:55:03.400 --> 00:55:05.519
there was at least four thousand, if I remember the

982
00:55:05.599 --> 00:55:09.880
number correctly, four thousand people within the administration that Obama

983
00:55:10.000 --> 00:55:13.519
moved in to government to kind of be there as

984
00:55:13.679 --> 00:55:18.639
moles and as a backstop against Donald Trump his first administration.

985
00:55:19.440 --> 00:55:22.599
Yeah, that is exactly right. It was Obama two point zero.

986
00:55:22.800 --> 00:55:25.119
And I got a question for you, Bill, just because

987
00:55:25.119 --> 00:55:29.320
I'm curious, Okay, who do you think what's controlling the autopen?

988
00:55:30.960 --> 00:55:34.480
Well, I can tell you who it wasn't me too,

989
00:55:34.559 --> 00:55:37.199
I can tell you who it was, right exactly.

990
00:55:37.480 --> 00:55:41.840
I mean there were so many people involved there, you know.

991
00:55:42.159 --> 00:55:46.079
And I'll tell you if knowing Hunter Biden, if he

992
00:55:46.119 --> 00:55:51.360
had the ability to sell that autopen usage. Who knows,

993
00:55:51.400 --> 00:55:54.320
maybe we might open a rock and find out. Oh yeah,

994
00:55:54.480 --> 00:55:57.719
you know, I paid the Hunter Biden, you know, a

995
00:55:57.719 --> 00:55:59.880
half million dollars for the autopen U.

996
00:56:00.920 --> 00:56:05.239
Right, and think about how that affects all the decisions

997
00:56:05.280 --> 00:56:09.039
that were made in the United States during the Biden administration.

998
00:56:09.559 --> 00:56:13.119
Were they real decisions? Were they legal? Were they you

999
00:56:13.159 --> 00:56:14.039
know what I'm saying.

1000
00:56:13.920 --> 00:56:18.440
It's exactly well, you see, this is what you talk about,

1001
00:56:18.480 --> 00:56:24.360
a constitutional crisis, and you know, democracy being threatened.

1002
00:56:25.239 --> 00:56:27.599
What else I mean? It's funny because.

1003
00:56:27.360 --> 00:56:30.159
We're being gas lit the very thing that they're accusing

1004
00:56:30.199 --> 00:56:32.760
Republicans of doing, the very things they've done.

1005
00:56:32.880 --> 00:56:35.960
Doctor h Yeah, it is a lot of gaslighting. It's

1006
00:56:36.000 --> 00:56:38.519
funny that you say that. I also started writing a

1007
00:56:38.519 --> 00:56:42.320
column for this really interesting foundation. It's called Patriots for

1008
00:56:42.440 --> 00:56:46.800
Europe and they are the educational arm of the Conservative

1009
00:56:46.840 --> 00:56:50.639
Coalition of the European Union. Oh Wow asked me to

1010
00:56:50.679 --> 00:56:53.480
start writing a column for them also to give the

1011
00:56:53.639 --> 00:56:57.360
US view. But the last one I did was on immigration.

1012
00:56:57.880 --> 00:57:03.920
And we've got Governor Newsom and Karen Bass you know,

1013
00:57:04.000 --> 00:57:08.880
this June saying how the riots were really peaceful, and

1014
00:57:08.960 --> 00:57:13.000
I'm looking at pictures of people throwing bottles at police

1015
00:57:13.119 --> 00:57:17.719
and injuring police and blowing up cars and throwing rocks

1016
00:57:17.880 --> 00:57:21.239
at police, and I'm like, that's gaslighting at.

1017
00:57:21.119 --> 00:57:24.480
Its best, right exactly. Yeah, they are the poster children

1018
00:57:24.480 --> 00:57:25.880
for it, no doubt about it. Well, we got to

1019
00:57:25.960 --> 00:57:29.199
leave it there to be continued. Doctor Shay Bradley Ferrell

1020
00:57:29.239 --> 00:57:31.599
has been our guest. She's a strategist in foreign policy

1021
00:57:31.840 --> 00:57:36.320
and national security and president of Counterpoint Institute for Policy

1022
00:57:36.400 --> 00:57:39.480
Research and Education in Washington, d C. Author of the

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00:57:39.480 --> 00:57:42.639
book The Last Warning to the West and must read

1024
00:57:42.840 --> 00:57:45.159
and get you up to date and again now she's

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00:57:45.760 --> 00:57:49.800
your regular columnist. Now on, go ahead and tell us where.

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00:57:50.000 --> 00:57:53.360
On human events at Human Events and Bill, I sent

1027
00:57:53.440 --> 00:57:55.519
you a book so you'll.

1028
00:57:55.400 --> 00:57:57.639
I think, yes, yes, I do have it.

1029
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Yes, you got it, all right, doctor shak, take care,

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00:58:01.480 --> 00:58:02.719
all right, you got it all right?

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Getting America back on track. Bill Martinez Live, Well.

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Good morning, and welcome. Good to have you with us.

1055
00:59:32.159 --> 00:59:35.079
I'm Bill Martinez, and I'm got a real treat for you.

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00:59:35.400 --> 00:59:38.960
We're going to talk about Saint Elizabeth and Setan, a

1057
00:59:38.960 --> 00:59:43.639
spiritual portrait with Sister Betty Anne McNeil. She's the editor

1058
00:59:43.760 --> 00:59:48.440
at Saint Elizabeth and Setan and Sister.

1059
00:59:48.519 --> 00:59:49.599
Welcome, Michelle, good to have.

1060
00:59:49.599 --> 00:59:50.039
You with us.

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00:59:50.320 --> 00:59:51.599
Thank you so much, Bill.

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00:59:52.000 --> 00:59:55.039
Well, congratulations on this book. I mean, what prompted you

1063
00:59:55.440 --> 01:00:00.239
to bring this book out for the public again to reissue.

1064
00:59:59.800 --> 01:00:06.159
This The book needed a little dusting off, and it's

1065
01:00:06.239 --> 01:00:09.719
full of quotes from Elizabeth Seton, but at the time

1066
01:00:09.840 --> 01:00:13.519
the original author of Father, Joseph Durban, did the writing.

1067
01:00:14.320 --> 01:00:18.400
The writings of Elizabeth Seton were in multiple archives in

1068
01:00:18.480 --> 01:00:24.159
North America and elsewhere. So since then the writings have

1069
01:00:24.239 --> 01:00:29.519
been published in three volumes Elizabeth Bailey Seaton Collected Writings.

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01:00:29.760 --> 01:00:32.599
So I thought it would be helpful for readers if

1071
01:00:32.639 --> 01:00:36.360
they could find the source of each comment and for

1072
01:00:36.519 --> 01:00:40.679
scholars who would want to do further research. So that

1073
01:00:40.840 --> 01:00:45.280
was the motivation in reviewing the text and matching updating

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01:00:45.360 --> 01:00:49.760
each quotation of Elizabeth Seton to her published writings for

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01:00:49.840 --> 01:00:52.599
the convenience of readers and scholars.

1076
01:00:53.079 --> 01:00:58.599
Well, sister, as you know her writings, her life. Wow,

1077
01:00:58.239 --> 01:01:02.960
what a powerful dimension you know that's involved here. And

1078
01:01:03.360 --> 01:01:06.320
this is really a blessing that you would reissue this

1079
01:01:06.360 --> 01:01:09.119
book because I think there's a lot for us to

1080
01:01:09.199 --> 01:01:11.760
understand about this incredible saint.

1081
01:01:12.760 --> 01:01:16.280
It's very timely and the important thing to remember is

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01:01:16.920 --> 01:01:21.320
Elizabeth Satan was not a plastic statue. She was a woman.

1083
01:01:21.679 --> 01:01:24.760
She was a young child that lived in a blended family.

1084
01:01:24.880 --> 01:01:29.559
She was a teen who grew up with heartache over

1085
01:01:29.840 --> 01:01:35.159
her father's absence because of medical studies. She married and

1086
01:01:35.280 --> 01:01:40.559
had a wonderful husband and very happy until illness and

1087
01:01:40.639 --> 01:01:44.159
bankruptcy hit. So she was a woman who struggled, like

1088
01:01:44.320 --> 01:01:49.000
so many parents do today, to care for their loved ones,

1089
01:01:49.320 --> 01:01:53.679
or to make financial decisions, and how to raise their children,

1090
01:01:53.840 --> 01:01:56.159
and what faith to raise their children in.

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01:01:58.239 --> 01:02:02.920
Well, and as you say, I mean, it's almost the

1092
01:02:02.960 --> 01:02:05.239
basis of our faith, isn't it is when we go

1093
01:02:05.320 --> 01:02:09.280
through that refiner's fire. It's not like, I mean, whenever

1094
01:02:09.320 --> 01:02:11.239
you read about any saint, it's not like it was

1095
01:02:11.280 --> 01:02:12.480
all hunky dory.

1096
01:02:12.239 --> 01:02:16.599
Right, Well, that is exactly correct. As a young child,

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01:02:17.440 --> 01:02:22.280
she learned about Psalm twenty three, and somehow she learned

1098
01:02:22.679 --> 01:02:26.199
that God is a loving God and God provides. And

1099
01:02:26.840 --> 01:02:30.559
she looked to the heavens seeing looking for God in

1100
01:02:30.599 --> 01:02:33.400
the clouds because she was looking for her mother and

1101
01:02:33.480 --> 01:02:37.559
her baby sitter, who died when she was barely three

1102
01:02:37.639 --> 01:02:42.679
years old. So long life of suffering and loss was

1103
01:02:42.719 --> 01:02:47.320
like a ribbon going through her entire life and that's

1104
01:02:47.400 --> 01:02:52.360
the reality of everyone. We lose loved ones and life

1105
01:02:52.679 --> 01:02:56.079
is in a bowl of cherries, that's for sure. Exactly

1106
01:02:56.599 --> 01:03:02.599
for Elizabeth, she really believed that divine Providence was looking

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01:03:02.639 --> 01:03:05.920
out for her and Some twenty three was her favorite

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01:03:05.960 --> 01:03:10.039
throughout her life. Then when she went to Italy with

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01:03:10.079 --> 01:03:14.159
her husband, hoping that the sea voyage would be curative,

1110
01:03:15.719 --> 01:03:18.880
and it really wasn't, and they were put into quarantine

1111
01:03:19.159 --> 01:03:24.599
and rejected by Immigration of officials because there was fear

1112
01:03:24.639 --> 01:03:28.199
that they were carrying yellow fever. But when he died

1113
01:03:28.239 --> 01:03:34.039
two weeks later, she was welcomed to the gracious hospitality

1114
01:03:34.199 --> 01:03:37.639
of the Filiki family, who were friends of the husband

1115
01:03:37.719 --> 01:03:42.480
and business partners, and it was they who in showing

1116
01:03:42.519 --> 01:03:46.679
her around Italy the hotspots, if you will, There were

1117
01:03:46.760 --> 01:03:50.480
churches which were the center of worship but the center

1118
01:03:50.559 --> 01:03:54.159
of art. And it was there in churches that she

1119
01:03:54.320 --> 01:03:59.639
discovered the beauty of Catholic liturgy, the awesome concept of

1120
01:03:59.679 --> 01:04:04.719
the presence of Jesus and the Eucharist. Yes, and Mary

1121
01:04:04.760 --> 01:04:08.559
in portraits of Mary as a sorrowful mother and God knows,

1122
01:04:08.920 --> 01:04:12.440
Elizabeth Seton knew sorrow as a mother, so she began

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01:04:12.559 --> 01:04:13.840
to identify.

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01:04:13.360 --> 01:04:16.840
With Mary Now was she raised Catholic.

1125
01:04:17.599 --> 01:04:21.920
No, she was an Episcopalian in New York and was

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01:04:22.039 --> 01:04:27.639
raised in Episcopalian practice. Her faith was a devoted Episcopal

1127
01:04:27.719 --> 01:04:32.719
Communicant and very active in social ministry of that day.

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01:04:32.920 --> 01:04:37.920
She and some other women established the first social service

1129
01:04:38.079 --> 01:04:43.760
organization for outreach to poor widows with young children WOW,

1130
01:04:43.960 --> 01:04:48.559
the agency organized and founded by women in the United States.

1131
01:04:48.960 --> 01:04:53.559
So she wasn't actively an Episcopalian, and Catholics were looked

1132
01:04:53.599 --> 01:04:58.360
down upon at that time. The few Catholics were really

1133
01:04:58.800 --> 01:05:02.679
Irish immigrants who were among the working class.

1134
01:05:03.719 --> 01:05:05.199
So it was in Italy.

1135
01:05:04.920 --> 01:05:09.079
That she was first introduced to the Catholic faith. But

1136
01:05:09.199 --> 01:05:13.360
the families she was staying with were well educated and

1137
01:05:13.599 --> 01:05:17.960
they could explain their faith, and they could explain doctrine,

1138
01:05:18.360 --> 01:05:20.599
and in the end, when she was leading, one of

1139
01:05:20.639 --> 01:05:24.440
them wrote a very long dissertation about the truth of

1140
01:05:24.480 --> 01:05:29.400
the Catholic faith, which Elizabeth Seton's etiscopal pastor took a

1141
01:05:29.480 --> 01:05:33.679
part line by line, trying to when she returned. It's

1142
01:05:33.760 --> 01:05:36.360
kind of stir. When she came back with the Catholic.

1143
01:05:36.119 --> 01:05:39.840
Hert well, I can imagine, I mean, because here it is.

1144
01:05:40.000 --> 01:05:45.920
I mean, she even translates to the point of realizing

1145
01:05:46.159 --> 01:05:48.920
for her, and which even a lot of Catholics still

1146
01:05:48.920 --> 01:05:52.199
deal with to this day. Not to mention the early

1147
01:05:52.239 --> 01:05:55.000
disciples of Jesus Christ when he said, this is my

1148
01:05:55.079 --> 01:05:57.320
body and blood. Unless you eat of my body and

1149
01:05:57.800 --> 01:06:00.159
drink of my blood, then you can have no art

1150
01:06:00.199 --> 01:06:01.960
in the kingdom, and they freaked out. I mean they

1151
01:06:02.000 --> 01:06:06.159
exited stage left. And so here it is an episcopalian. Uh,

1152
01:06:06.960 --> 01:06:11.960
she gets revelation and connects with the reality of the substance,

1153
01:06:12.599 --> 01:06:15.440
not no, you know, not a symbol, because as an

1154
01:06:15.480 --> 01:06:17.880
Episcopalian should have been taught that it was the symbol,

1155
01:06:18.360 --> 01:06:21.280
not the substance of body and the body of Christ.

1156
01:06:21.360 --> 01:06:24.840
Right, yes, that is correct. So it was the substance

1157
01:06:25.000 --> 01:06:28.079
of the real presence that she first encountered at a

1158
01:06:28.199 --> 01:06:33.039
Marian shrine our Lady of Montenero, which is in Tuscany,

1159
01:06:34.239 --> 01:06:38.559
and someone who spoke English, who may have been part

1160
01:06:38.599 --> 01:06:43.239
of their party that day, said at the elevation, that's

1161
01:06:43.280 --> 01:06:46.440
what they call their real presence. She was horrified and

1162
01:06:46.519 --> 01:06:50.440
bent down and said, my Lord and my God. It

1163
01:06:50.599 --> 01:06:53.719
was a moment of insight and faith.

1164
01:06:54.360 --> 01:06:57.280
Yeah, exactly, And that's you know, I got to tell you, sister,

1165
01:06:57.320 --> 01:07:00.599
that has been on my heart a lot here recently.

1166
01:07:01.239 --> 01:07:04.280
And I think it was Saint Augustine who said that

1167
01:07:04.559 --> 01:07:08.039
it starts with faith, you know, and from faith it

1168
01:07:08.480 --> 01:07:12.519
develops into belief, and then with belief it goes to understanding.

1169
01:07:13.320 --> 01:07:17.039
And justin had it, had had it right. And Elizabeth

1170
01:07:17.079 --> 01:07:20.960
Setan was actually born on Saint Augustine's birthday.

1171
01:07:21.360 --> 01:07:23.840
Oh, is that Nettley, our.

1172
01:07:23.719 --> 01:07:26.880
New Holy Father was born on the day that Elizabeth

1173
01:07:26.880 --> 01:07:30.559
Seton was canonized, not the same year, but the day Well,

1174
01:07:30.599 --> 01:07:35.400
of course, yes, no celebrating the fiftieth anniversary of that

1175
01:07:35.480 --> 01:07:41.599
canonization this year. It's really important that she be better

1176
01:07:41.719 --> 01:07:46.719
known as a model for people of today, for contemporary

1177
01:07:46.800 --> 01:07:50.360
men and women, and a person as an intercessor. That's

1178
01:07:50.400 --> 01:07:54.840
what saints are. They're models for Christian living and intercessors

1179
01:07:54.880 --> 01:07:57.519
with God for the needs of the people of God.

1180
01:07:58.199 --> 01:08:01.960
Yeah, because once you really and you get the message

1181
01:08:02.159 --> 01:08:04.880
and you're enlightened with the love of God and mercy

1182
01:08:04.920 --> 01:08:07.559
of God, how do you contain that? How do you

1183
01:08:07.719 --> 01:08:09.480
not want to share that with others?

1184
01:08:10.119 --> 01:08:12.920
Well, she certainly wanted to share it with others, and

1185
01:08:13.480 --> 01:08:17.479
once she was invited to Marilyn to teach. She had

1186
01:08:17.520 --> 01:08:23.760
the insight of teaching girls. Female education was not available

1187
01:08:25.000 --> 01:08:28.159
unless you had lots of money, so she began a

1188
01:08:28.359 --> 01:08:34.079
school in Emminsburg, Saint Joseph's School, to teach young girls

1189
01:08:34.640 --> 01:08:38.760
the faith and the fundamentals of reading, writing and arithmetic.

1190
01:08:39.319 --> 01:08:42.840
And she couldn't made the bills by having a free school,

1191
01:08:43.239 --> 01:08:48.000
so she invited borders, and then borders came and that

1192
01:08:48.159 --> 01:08:52.199
was the income that then supplemented her ministry with the

1193
01:08:52.359 --> 01:08:56.479
Sisteroseph Charity of Saint Joseph's, the community that she founded

1194
01:08:56.840 --> 01:09:01.319
actually based on the rule of Saint Japaal and Luis

1195
01:09:01.399 --> 01:09:05.079
Jamiriak in France, the Daughter's of Purity.

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She's an editor, and you served as an editor on

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this book. Saint Elizabeth An Seaton. Right, Yes, well, I

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imagine that you know here you are, you're going through

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this book again is it you reissue it, And like

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so many books that we will read and become familiar with,

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I find it quite interesting that we'll pick it up

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years later and all of a sudden, it's like there's

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some new things that came up.

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So for you was maybe you can share with us.

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Some new discoveries of Saint Elizabeth Ann Seaton that you

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found in reissuing this book.

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It's one of the most significant ones that I came across.

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Based on her experience as a little girl. She wasn't

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born a saint. She was a little girl who was

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aching for her mother. And when she looked up to

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the clouds and said, I want to be up there

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with mother, that wasn't a mysketical experience. It was a

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natural phenomenon of a grieving child. But that grieving child

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threw a woman who knew the experience of grief in

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so many ways more than many people, even having to

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bury her her husband, who were her daughters. So she's

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the woman who.

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For me.

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Resonates hope in the resurrection, hope in life eternal. She

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knew how to or she learned how to overcome and

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look beyond to the reality that God is in charge

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and God is leading. That was her path. Her path

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of faith was to do the will of God and

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to follow the events of the day seeing the hand

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of God in it.

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Yeah, you know.

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In hearing you talk, I have a sense that she

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was a woman of many sorrows, and with the sorrows

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was blessings.

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Yes, she did not have the blessing of faith, of

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pardon me, of health, but she did have the blessing

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of faith and friendship. She was a woman who was

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very relational and she had some lifelong friends, some lady

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friends that the correspondents were fortunate to have because we

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01:16:09.000 --> 01:16:13.720
can trace the development of the relationship. Yet she really

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did try to convert them, effected who they were and

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01:16:18.079 --> 01:16:23.439
what their faith was and their belief. She was able,

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01:16:24.239 --> 01:16:28.560
with the help of spiritual direction in Father Simon Brute,

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to overcome the deep, deep grief of the loss of

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her oldest child. And my sense in reading her words

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and her writing, which shifts with her mood sometimes is

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that she held a lot of accumulated grief over the

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years that just built up and just overwhelmed her when

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her oldest daughter, a Nina died, and only with the

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help of support and prayer and grace. Was she able

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to let go and be become free of that burden?

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You know, sister you mentioned this yearning in her heart

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for healing. It reminds me of Paul, who talked about

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that thorn right that he asked God on several occasions,

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can you take it away? And God said, that's okay.

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You know my strength. Your weakness is manifest in my strength.

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And it took Paul, the Apostle, Paul, Saint Paul, time

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to embrace that thorn and to see it. Do you

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think that Saint Elizabeth embraced her her lack of healing

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or maybe, you know, maybe the frustration that here it

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is a woman of faith and so many things around

1345
01:17:54.119 --> 01:17:57.279
her that are you know, just miraculous, that are recurring,

1346
01:17:57.600 --> 01:18:00.000
and she's going, why can't I be healed?

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God?

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01:18:02.560 --> 01:18:05.680
Perhaps she saw her way to salvation as a way

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01:18:05.680 --> 01:18:10.560
of the Cross, and even as a young teenager she

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went through what I would consider an adolescent depression and

1351
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considered taking loud and known whige is an opium derivative.

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Today we'd say taking drugs. She writes after the incident,

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so grateful for not having done the horrid deed, So

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how often do we think about a saint with suicidal ideation, right,

1355
01:18:37.479 --> 01:18:40.279
of course, but the grace and the strength this is

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as a young adolescent and Episcopalian girl, she knew that

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what was right and what was wrong and whatever she

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was so upset about, she got the guts and courage

1359
01:18:52.640 --> 01:18:56.920
to say no and move forward, which helped her I

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think understand the hys and of some of her children,

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01:19:02.000 --> 01:19:07.840
her boy frequently kind of disappointed her. They were not

1362
01:19:08.159 --> 01:19:12.760
as responsible is not the right word, but she would

1363
01:19:12.800 --> 01:19:14.760
like one of them to have been a priest. She

1364
01:19:14.800 --> 01:19:17.359
would have liked another to have done this and that,

1365
01:19:17.720 --> 01:19:21.720
but they both wanted to be sailing on the seas

1366
01:19:22.119 --> 01:19:26.920
and her her oldest son did become a lieutenant in

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the navy and the younger one a clerk civil US

1368
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Civil Service clerk to a captain on a ship. But

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he lossed his life by ministering to someone with typhoid

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01:19:43.000 --> 01:19:50.479
at the port of a court in Africa, Liberia. Right,

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01:19:51.199 --> 01:19:56.760
so an active charity brought him to heaven exactly. Her

1372
01:19:57.439 --> 01:20:03.600
surviving daughter, midlife, after touring Europe with her brother, etc.

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01:20:04.640 --> 01:20:07.279
Decided she would like to be a Sister of Mercy

1374
01:20:07.479 --> 01:20:11.560
and became the first American postulant for the Sisters of

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01:20:11.680 --> 01:20:15.600
Mercy of New York and spent forty five years in

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01:20:15.720 --> 01:20:17.960
prison ministry at sing Sing.

1377
01:20:18.920 --> 01:20:19.119
Mmm.

1378
01:20:19.640 --> 01:20:23.880
Wow, what a story, well quite a life.

1379
01:20:24.159 --> 01:20:28.199
Yeah, exactly, And I wanted to, you know, we got

1380
01:20:28.199 --> 01:20:30.439
a couple of minutes left here, but I really wanted

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01:20:30.479 --> 01:20:34.000
to talk more about her devotion for the will of God.

1382
01:20:35.159 --> 01:20:37.960
That was something that was with her from the beginning.

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In my opinion, the roots of her faith were with

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01:20:41.239 --> 01:20:45.119
the Episcopal Church, and she was well schooled in the

1385
01:20:45.159 --> 01:20:49.920
Bible and did a lot of scripture reading. She knew

1386
01:20:49.960 --> 01:20:54.239
that God's will was guiding her, and she wanted to

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01:20:54.439 --> 01:20:58.359
do God's will. She wanted to be an obedient servant

1388
01:20:58.399 --> 01:21:02.960
you make saying, and she went to acquiesce to God's

1389
01:21:03.079 --> 01:21:06.479
will and coming to Maryland, she had a sense this

1390
01:21:06.680 --> 01:21:10.239
was part of God's plan and whether it succeeded or

1391
01:21:10.279 --> 01:21:13.439
it didn't succeed, it was God's plan and it would

1392
01:21:13.520 --> 01:21:15.800
evolve according to divine providence.

1393
01:21:16.439 --> 01:21:16.960
Exactly.

1394
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This year is her fiftieth anniversary. You mentioned of her

1395
01:21:21.439 --> 01:21:25.920
canonization on September fourteenth, and which happens to be a Sunday,

1396
01:21:25.960 --> 01:21:26.359
which is.

1397
01:21:26.319 --> 01:21:32.840
Great there Originally well congratulations, So it's going to be

1398
01:21:33.159 --> 01:21:36.720
a real blessing to you know, enjoy the fiftieth year.

1399
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What kind of plans are set for this special event?

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The National Shrine of Saint Elizabeth van Seaton has some

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weekends of celebrations including concerts, liturgical experiences, family events. It's

1402
01:21:53.159 --> 01:21:56.880
like one thing after another Saturday through Sunday the weekend

1403
01:21:56.960 --> 01:22:01.159
of September fourteenth, and it's all posted outlined on their

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01:22:01.199 --> 01:22:03.760
website trying dot org.

1405
01:22:04.680 --> 01:22:09.479
And I'm sure there will be a corporate reading of

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01:22:09.560 --> 01:22:10.520
song twenty three.

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I would expect that there will be.

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01:22:13.199 --> 01:22:13.479
Yes.

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No, I love that song, and I can appreciate how

1410
01:22:18.159 --> 01:22:20.960
how she grew attached to that because as you break

1411
01:22:21.000 --> 01:22:24.600
that psalm down, it is it tells you the character

1412
01:22:24.880 --> 01:22:28.239
of who God is. Yes, you know all his names,

1413
01:22:28.439 --> 01:22:30.840
not all his names, but many of his names that

1414
01:22:30.920 --> 01:22:32.880
she certainly could relate to.

1415
01:22:33.359 --> 01:22:36.840
Yes, Yes, she had many names for God, and she

1416
01:22:37.000 --> 01:22:39.880
had nicknames for lots of people, even the devil she

1417
01:22:40.000 --> 01:22:40.680
calls Sam.

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01:22:41.720 --> 01:22:43.920
You called him Sam Sam, the devil?

1419
01:22:44.039 --> 01:22:44.600
Huh.

1420
01:22:44.760 --> 01:22:50.039
She was very creative, very creative, and had a sarcastic,

1421
01:22:50.399 --> 01:22:54.479
humorous twist to many things. Irony was something that she

1422
01:22:54.520 --> 01:22:59.079
could use quite effectively with the students and with her friends.

1423
01:22:59.479 --> 01:23:02.279
Well, I've got to use Sam going forward now, now

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01:23:02.520 --> 01:23:07.319
you've shared that with me, Sister Betty and McNeil. She's

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01:23:07.399 --> 01:23:12.600
with the Daughters of Charity. She's also with Ignacious Publishing

1426
01:23:12.640 --> 01:23:15.600
as well. She serves as the editor for Saint Elizabeth

1427
01:23:15.720 --> 01:23:18.720
and seton the book available at all the usual places.

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01:23:18.720 --> 01:23:22.399
Sister, Yes, yes, And the full title is Saint Elizabeth

1429
01:23:22.439 --> 01:23:27.000
Dan's Seaton a Spiritual Portrait. This is not a biography.

1430
01:23:27.479 --> 01:23:32.359
It's a spiritual portrait of how she became who she

1431
01:23:32.479 --> 01:23:37.960
became in God's eyes today, a model and an intercessor

1432
01:23:38.319 --> 01:23:40.399
for all of us around the world.

1433
01:23:41.039 --> 01:23:44.159
Well today, Saint Elizabeth an Seaton continues to bless us,

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01:23:44.520 --> 01:23:46.720
and Sister, thank you for blessing us, for coming on

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Hey, good morning, and welcome Bill Martinez here along with

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Jeff Camp, the author of reci also former nfl QBN

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ministry leader.

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01:27:53.880 --> 01:27:56.159
Hey, mister Jeff, how you doing good? Bill?

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01:27:56.439 --> 01:27:59.039
I like to remember that I am Stacy's husband, the

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01:27:59.079 --> 01:28:02.039
father of a bunch of good boys and their wives

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01:28:02.079 --> 01:28:03.960
and some grandkids, and at the end of the day,

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01:28:04.039 --> 01:28:06.039
like you, I'm a son of a perfect dad.

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01:28:06.279 --> 01:28:06.680
Amen.

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Huh, and we're so blessed.

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01:28:09.039 --> 01:28:11.399
I'll tell you you know, I was just reading Jeff,

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01:28:11.560 --> 01:28:12.640
and I thought about you.

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01:28:13.039 --> 01:28:14.079
This stuck out.

1522
01:28:14.119 --> 01:28:18.640
George Barna had reported that young kids are coming back

1523
01:28:18.680 --> 01:28:23.479
to Jesus in droves. I think this is an exciting

1524
01:28:24.680 --> 01:28:29.119
momentum shift that's been taking place because there had been

1525
01:28:29.720 --> 01:28:33.359
a down trend, you know, almost a decade ago, but

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01:28:33.439 --> 01:28:38.399
it's slowly but surely has been increasing, especially since COVID

1527
01:28:39.039 --> 01:28:42.840
and what I have been sounding. The alarm to church

1528
01:28:42.960 --> 01:28:47.880
leaders and influencers of the faith is that we need

1529
01:28:47.920 --> 01:28:52.039
to be aware to be positioned in such a way

1530
01:28:52.119 --> 01:28:57.199
to catch that resurgence, so to speak, so that we

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01:28:57.279 --> 01:28:59.960
can be there. You know, you talk about level five friendship.

1532
01:29:00.439 --> 01:29:02.720
I'm thinking, Hey, maybe we need to talk about level

1533
01:29:02.840 --> 01:29:05.039
five discipleship for these young kids.

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01:29:05.119 --> 01:29:07.760
What do you think, well, I think you're What you're

1535
01:29:07.760 --> 01:29:12.119
saying is when this young generation starts to find the

1536
01:29:12.239 --> 01:29:15.720
end of the rope on the culture's answers yes, and

1537
01:29:15.760 --> 01:29:19.880
the emptiness and the confusion. Obviously COVID led to a

1538
01:29:19.920 --> 01:29:24.720
lot of loneliness, and that made people kind of look

1539
01:29:24.840 --> 01:29:29.640
deep because their soul wasn't satisfied. The church needs to

1540
01:29:29.680 --> 01:29:33.239
be ready to meet them where they are, but say

1541
01:29:33.279 --> 01:29:37.600
that we're here to show you what the Bible says

1542
01:29:38.239 --> 01:29:40.720
and to study it with you and not presume anything.

1543
01:29:41.279 --> 01:29:47.800
I think teaching classes, having dialogue discussions, making older folks

1544
01:29:47.880 --> 01:29:49.800
that have been the faith for a while available as

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01:29:49.840 --> 01:29:53.520
mentors for visits over coffee and such. I think a

1546
01:29:53.520 --> 01:29:55.720
lot of young people are going to want those type

1547
01:29:55.760 --> 01:30:01.880
of conversations. Of course, biblical teaching right, young people don't need,

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01:30:02.720 --> 01:30:05.880
you know, a whole bunch more culture commentary. They need

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01:30:05.960 --> 01:30:08.359
what Jesus said, and I think that's quickly coming back

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01:30:08.399 --> 01:30:11.720
to is the actual God in the words that God

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01:30:11.800 --> 01:30:16.279
himself gave in the Bible. The Bible is fresh, The

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truth doesn't need to be defended. It needs to be

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01:30:18.279 --> 01:30:23.159
presented right, but obviously with a spirit of humility that

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01:30:23.439 --> 01:30:26.000
none of us brag about our knowledge of the Bible

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01:30:26.039 --> 01:30:27.079
or our ability to carry it.

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01:30:27.039 --> 01:30:30.520
Out exactly well, because it's all about Jesus high and

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01:30:30.520 --> 01:30:34.319
lifted up right. And this is we've gone through an

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01:30:34.359 --> 01:30:38.319
age of where there's been performance and celebrity pastors and

1559
01:30:38.399 --> 01:30:42.319
that sort of thing. And I think that's what you know,

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01:30:42.359 --> 01:30:45.880
some of the previous generations have rejected and they're looking

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01:30:45.920 --> 01:30:47.960
for and you said it was absolutely key, is that

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01:30:48.319 --> 01:30:52.159
where's the word of God in this and it's scripture based.

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01:30:52.319 --> 01:30:54.600
I can't help but think of what Chuck Smith did.

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01:30:55.119 --> 01:30:57.359
In fact, there was a movie about it, you know,

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about the Jesus Revolution and what took place there at

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01:31:01.039 --> 01:31:03.039
Calvary and coast to Mesa. I happened to be in

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01:31:03.079 --> 01:31:06.439
that area at the time and was in the periphery

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01:31:06.479 --> 01:31:08.319
of it and then and then came close. But I

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was after a lot of this stuff had happened there

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that put Calvary through this major transition because they were,

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you know, traditionalists.

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You know, they just put new carpet.

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01:31:21.159 --> 01:31:24.880
In the sanctuary, and then all of a sudden you

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had an individual who was a lightning rod that told

1575
01:31:29.720 --> 01:31:32.720
all these hippies, hey, you could be welcomed at this church.

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01:31:33.359 --> 01:31:36.920
And so they came there with their bare feet and

1577
01:31:37.239 --> 01:31:39.800
the elders were freaking out because, you know, you had

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bare feet on their new rug.

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And that was an imposition.

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01:31:43.680 --> 01:31:48.560
And fortunately Chuck Smith, pastor Chuck Smith, who was probably

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the least likely that you would say, how is Chuck

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01:31:51.199 --> 01:31:54.840
Smith going to relate to all these hippies, Yeah he was.

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01:31:55.000 --> 01:32:00.359
He was more of a traditional Baptist conservative.

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01:31:59.840 --> 01:31:59.920
The.

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01:32:01.520 --> 01:32:05.800
Trappings of the external parts of Christian culture, not necessarily

1586
01:32:05.920 --> 01:32:09.760
Christian behavior. And it was his daughter said, Dad, you

1587
01:32:09.800 --> 01:32:12.279
want your church to grow, but you're rejecting the people

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01:32:12.359 --> 01:32:14.920
that God is sending. You got to welcome them, You

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01:32:15.000 --> 01:32:17.880
got to open up. And he was convicted by listening

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01:32:17.960 --> 01:32:22.239
to his daughter, right and realized, yeah, am I trying

1591
01:32:22.239 --> 01:32:26.479
to protect the carpet and the opinions of this older generation,

1592
01:32:26.640 --> 01:32:30.479
stodgy elders or am I trying to give these people

1593
01:32:30.479 --> 01:32:32.600
what God wants to give them, which is a welcome

1594
01:32:33.199 --> 01:32:35.760
and be the truth of Jesus found in the Word

1595
01:32:35.760 --> 01:32:39.119
of God. And my gosh, what a revolution took place.

1596
01:32:39.159 --> 01:32:42.199
That's where we are today. Let's take the trappings away,

1597
01:32:44.000 --> 01:32:47.359
and let's make the bridge a little bit wider, be

1598
01:32:47.399 --> 01:32:49.479
able to come and hear the word of God, hear

1599
01:32:49.520 --> 01:32:53.399
the direct truth. Don't water down the message one iota,

1600
01:32:53.920 --> 01:32:57.119
but don't add any extra stuff to it, like, oh,

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01:32:57.159 --> 01:32:59.359
you better get baptized before you come, you better join

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the church, have a tie, you better wear shoes when

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you show up at this church. You got to clean

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01:33:05.000 --> 01:33:07.199
up your act. You know, you can't have done anything

1605
01:33:07.239 --> 01:33:11.239
wrong this week before you come to church. No, Jesus

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01:33:11.319 --> 01:33:13.680
didn't do that with the prostitute, or the tax collector,

1607
01:33:14.159 --> 01:33:16.000
or the lame or lepers.

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01:33:16.199 --> 01:33:16.399
You know.

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01:33:16.640 --> 01:33:19.079
He hugged the lepers who no one else would hug.

1610
01:33:19.399 --> 01:33:22.479
He hung out with the tax collector, who everyone else hated.

1611
01:33:23.800 --> 01:33:27.439
He welcomed the prostitute who didn't like her life and

1612
01:33:27.479 --> 01:33:29.840
wanted it to change, but didn't know how until she

1613
01:33:29.960 --> 01:33:32.439
found grace. And that's what he presented.

1614
01:33:32.520 --> 01:33:36.000
Exactly well, again the opportunities here. And these young kids

1615
01:33:36.039 --> 01:33:40.199
are looking, Jeff, and one of the things that they're

1616
01:33:40.359 --> 01:33:45.680
recoiling against is the tradition religion and church. They don't

1617
01:33:45.720 --> 01:33:49.640
so much identify with the specific religion, but they identify

1618
01:33:49.720 --> 01:33:53.039
with Christ to exactly what you're saying. So if we

1619
01:33:53.119 --> 01:33:56.880
lift him up and do so in a manner that's

1620
01:33:56.920 --> 01:34:02.319
not ideological to a specific religion, then we can capture

1621
01:34:02.800 --> 01:34:05.680
these souls, because as the Bible says, he who wins

1622
01:34:05.760 --> 01:34:08.880
souls is the one that gains much right in so

1623
01:34:09.000 --> 01:34:10.079
many words.

1624
01:34:09.960 --> 01:34:12.439
Oh exactly, And I don't think anyone should hear us

1625
01:34:13.319 --> 01:34:18.279
talking about get rid of traditional religion as the first thing,

1626
01:34:18.399 --> 01:34:20.319
and make Jesus the first thing. We're not saying to

1627
01:34:20.319 --> 01:34:23.680
get rid of church. We're respecting church. We need church,

1628
01:34:24.319 --> 01:34:27.000
you know. C. S. Lewis talked about we need to

1629
01:34:27.039 --> 01:34:30.479
make the hallway easy to get into where people can

1630
01:34:30.520 --> 01:34:34.479
find faith. And then there are many doors, right and

1631
01:34:34.600 --> 01:34:39.920
churches which attract people of certain styles. There's Presbyterian churches,

1632
01:34:39.920 --> 01:34:44.000
there's four square churches, there's charismatic ones, there's Catholic churches,

1633
01:34:44.880 --> 01:34:48.680
there's the Methodists that you know, we have an awful

1634
01:34:48.720 --> 01:34:52.960
lot of flavors to ice cream. In the Protestant World bill,

1635
01:34:53.760 --> 01:34:58.760
there's different style Catholic, there's Anglican, there's Greek Orthodox. Those

1636
01:34:58.840 --> 01:35:02.520
are fine, and people will find they'll step out of

1637
01:35:02.560 --> 01:35:06.279
the hallway into a door into a particular church, and

1638
01:35:06.319 --> 01:35:10.479
they'll find people there and guess what people are imperfect okay.

1639
01:35:10.680 --> 01:35:14.159
And secondly, the theology and the practice that the church

1640
01:35:14.520 --> 01:35:18.159
has practiced has some imperfections or maybe won't meet every

1641
01:35:18.159 --> 01:35:22.039
one of your tastes. That's okay. It gets perfected in heaven.

1642
01:35:23.159 --> 01:35:29.159
But in the hallway is come find Jesus. Read the

1643
01:35:29.279 --> 01:35:32.880
essence of this Bible. You were God's child who ran

1644
01:35:32.920 --> 01:35:35.720
away from him. He solved it by coming to earth

1645
01:35:36.279 --> 01:35:40.800
in Jesus and in humility paid the punishment for people's rebellion.

1646
01:35:41.199 --> 01:35:43.479
He welcomed you back to the Father. Now you get

1647
01:35:43.520 --> 01:35:46.800
to live a relationship with Him and a kingdom life

1648
01:35:46.800 --> 01:35:49.600
that lasts forever. But it's done in community. So step

1649
01:35:49.640 --> 01:35:51.800
into one of those doors, get in a small group,

1650
01:35:52.279 --> 01:35:55.199
get in a Bible study, go to a church. Don't

1651
01:35:55.239 --> 01:35:58.199
just sit there like a consumer and listen to the

1652
01:35:58.239 --> 01:36:00.279
music and listen to sermon. Get out of there, or

1653
01:36:00.319 --> 01:36:03.279
critique it, which is even worse, be a part of it.

1654
01:36:03.560 --> 01:36:07.159
Volunteer at study school class, help with the junior hires,

1655
01:36:08.159 --> 01:36:11.119
you know, do the feeding program that they do for

1656
01:36:11.159 --> 01:36:14.079
the poor, help with the single mom ministry, our special

1657
01:36:14.119 --> 01:36:18.199
needs ministry like my church has. So anyway, we're talking

1658
01:36:18.239 --> 01:36:22.960
about church is good. Religion that appiles too much stuff

1659
01:36:22.960 --> 01:36:25.319
on people, that keeps them from true Jesus and grace.

1660
01:36:25.560 --> 01:36:27.640
That's not good, right exactly.

1661
01:36:27.880 --> 01:36:31.760
Well, again, the opportunity is there, and our prayer is

1662
01:36:31.800 --> 01:36:36.520
that church leadership would connoiter and come together and seek

1663
01:36:36.600 --> 01:36:39.720
God's face right now, say God, you're doing something here.

1664
01:36:40.119 --> 01:36:41.319
How do we get in front of this?

1665
01:36:41.439 --> 01:36:45.439
What do we need to do to maybe.

1666
01:36:45.199 --> 01:36:50.079
Recalibrate and take a look at what we're presenting. What's

1667
01:36:50.119 --> 01:36:53.520
our brand here? Have we compromised the brand? Do we

1668
01:36:53.600 --> 01:36:59.000
need to you know, re engage with first principles, you know,

1669
01:36:59.119 --> 01:37:03.760
all these important questions that are done at a leadership level,

1670
01:37:04.079 --> 01:37:09.319
and that can be you know, reintroduced down line with

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01:37:10.039 --> 01:37:13.239
the rest of the people at the church, because if

1672
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it is a church, it's a building and stuff like that.

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You get, you know, people that.

1674
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Get a little anxious when you know their favorite seat

1675
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in the pew is being occupied by a new person.

1676
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Right, It's not as complicated as it could sound. If

1677
01:37:31.000 --> 01:37:35.399
we keep Jesus at the core and we say this

1678
01:37:35.479 --> 01:37:37.279
is a place where people are welcome to come and

1679
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find Jesus, know Jesus, and be disciples in a relationship

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with Jesus so they can be an ambassador to represent

1681
01:37:45.279 --> 01:37:47.960
him to others, which is done at work in neighborhood

1682
01:37:47.960 --> 01:37:53.079
and little league and wherever exactly. Then we recalibrate in

1683
01:37:53.119 --> 01:37:56.119
a way that lessens some of the rules in tradition

1684
01:37:57.199 --> 01:38:00.680
but keeps the focus on Jesus. It's not very complicated,

1685
01:38:01.319 --> 01:38:04.840
and that'll make the bridge wider for the young person

1686
01:38:04.880 --> 01:38:07.279
of today who saying, I need to find something true.

1687
01:38:07.600 --> 01:38:09.760
Is the Bible true? I need to find a source

1688
01:38:09.760 --> 01:38:14.399
of love that is not conditional. Is Jesus that well,

1689
01:38:14.880 --> 01:38:17.199
come to our church, and you'll see when we read

1690
01:38:17.199 --> 01:38:20.039
the Book of John and we talk about the Book

1691
01:38:20.079 --> 01:38:23.640
of Isaiah, and we read all the psalms that Jesus

1692
01:38:23.760 --> 01:38:28.279
quoted NonStop during the gospel record record of his life,

1693
01:38:28.880 --> 01:38:31.600
you'll see that Jesus is this answer. God has come.

1694
01:38:31.720 --> 01:38:34.560
He has solved that he is personal and we could

1695
01:38:34.600 --> 01:38:37.920
have a revival, but it takes humility, and it takes repentance.

1696
01:38:38.319 --> 01:38:40.319
And that's just on the part of those who don't

1697
01:38:40.359 --> 01:38:43.199
know God yet, it's also on the part of those

1698
01:38:43.279 --> 01:38:47.000
of us who do, and perhaps those in leadership who

1699
01:38:47.000 --> 01:38:48.279
need to be ready for a new era.

1700
01:38:48.760 --> 01:38:51.039
Well, these young people are seeking, Jeff, I pray that

1701
01:38:51.079 --> 01:38:55.199
we be prepared and we direct them appropriately. Like you say,

1702
01:38:55.840 --> 01:38:59.159
Jesus high and lifted up where he deserves to be.

1703
01:39:00.159 --> 01:39:01.960
Jeff Camp, As always, I appreciate you.

1704
01:39:02.000 --> 01:39:03.479
Thanks you ver so much for being with us. Take care,

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01:39:03.520 --> 01:39:04.359
God bless my friend.

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Well, good morning, glad you could join us.

1780
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Bill Martinez here along with Paul Batura from a focus

1781
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on the family.

1782
01:43:17.119 --> 01:43:18.159
Hey Paul, good morning to you.

1783
01:43:18.520 --> 01:43:19.880
Good morning Bill. Good to see you.

1784
01:43:20.199 --> 01:43:21.159
Hey, great you.

1785
01:43:21.319 --> 01:43:24.239
It's been way too long since last week. Talked by

1786
01:43:24.279 --> 01:43:27.279
the way, ladies. John Paul is, the vice president of Communications,

1787
01:43:27.640 --> 01:43:31.800
serves as a corporate spokesperson for the ministry responsible it's

1788
01:43:31.840 --> 01:43:34.399
all his fault for media relations, and editor in chief

1789
01:43:34.399 --> 01:43:38.640
of The Daily Citizen, the organization's digital Christian news outlets.

1790
01:43:38.680 --> 01:43:41.560
So now we've got that, so people know that you're

1791
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all that in a bag of chips.

1792
01:43:42.800 --> 01:43:46.039
Right, Guilty is charged, but certainly not all that.

1793
01:43:46.159 --> 01:43:48.920
Yeah, yeah, well, look at it's an honor to have

1794
01:43:49.000 --> 01:43:51.960
you here with us to talk about things that are

1795
01:43:52.000 --> 01:43:56.680
getting lost in translation from the generations, and that is.

1796
01:43:58.399 --> 01:44:00.479
Manners. I mean, who right?

1797
01:44:00.680 --> 01:44:04.239
And there just seems to be an increasing annoyance and

1798
01:44:04.359 --> 01:44:08.479
observation of a lack of manners in our civil society.

1799
01:44:08.479 --> 01:44:09.399
What's going on here?

1800
01:44:09.920 --> 01:44:12.800
Yeah, there's a corrosiveness that's evident to everybody. I mean,

1801
01:44:12.840 --> 01:44:14.880
if you pay attention for five minutes, you see it.

1802
01:44:14.920 --> 01:44:18.239
Whether you're at the grocery store, you're out of your

1803
01:44:18.640 --> 01:44:21.239
place of employment. Certainly, if you watch on or if

1804
01:44:21.239 --> 01:44:24.239
you're online, you see it, and I think that's probably

1805
01:44:24.279 --> 01:44:28.319
accelerated it. You know, online, these people operate in anonymity.

1806
01:44:28.760 --> 01:44:32.199
They feel as though there's no accountability, and so they

1807
01:44:32.319 --> 01:44:35.399
just have let all standards, it seems, go. And I

1808
01:44:35.439 --> 01:44:38.680
think ultimately it comes down to parents. You know, we

1809
01:44:39.119 --> 01:44:42.680
may not be able to corral some of the older folks,

1810
01:44:42.720 --> 01:44:45.079
but we can certainly do what we can do with

1811
01:44:45.119 --> 01:44:47.239
our own kids, and that begins in the home.

1812
01:44:48.079 --> 01:44:51.640
Well, Paul, certainly parents are the first example, no doubt

1813
01:44:51.680 --> 01:44:55.960
about it. But you watch TV and politics has gotten

1814
01:44:56.239 --> 01:44:59.920
very corrosive and abrasive. The language is being used now.

1815
01:45:00.720 --> 01:45:04.720
It's absolutely common for one party over another to just

1816
01:45:05.520 --> 01:45:06.359
go into a.

1817
01:45:08.239 --> 01:45:10.600
Rage of profanity.

1818
01:45:11.239 --> 01:45:14.319
And this is the example that we're you know, passing

1819
01:45:14.359 --> 01:45:17.840
on to the next generation. And this lack of civility,

1820
01:45:18.439 --> 01:45:23.560
you know, people getting attacked on streets today, the and

1821
01:45:23.760 --> 01:45:29.119
lack of law enforcement, and you know, just traditional rules

1822
01:45:29.159 --> 01:45:30.319
that you and I grew up with.

1823
01:45:30.920 --> 01:45:31.800
Yeah, profanity.

1824
01:45:31.840 --> 01:45:33.760
I'm glad you brought that up because we see it

1825
01:45:33.960 --> 01:45:36.520
and hear it, and you know, it's on bumper stickers. Right,

1826
01:45:36.520 --> 01:45:38.920
it's on t shirts and then of course it's on

1827
01:45:39.000 --> 01:45:41.520
our TVs. I mean it used to be that there

1828
01:45:41.600 --> 01:45:44.000
was you know, you were shielded from that sort of thing.

1829
01:45:44.800 --> 01:45:45.600
But you're right.

1830
01:45:45.680 --> 01:45:49.079
I mean parents sometimes play the game too, and there

1831
01:45:49.119 --> 01:45:52.680
seems to be some For some reason, even some Christians

1832
01:45:53.119 --> 01:45:57.439
don't seem to hold you know, clean language as a

1833
01:45:57.479 --> 01:46:00.439
high priority. They think, well, it's just language. Well no,

1834
01:46:00.760 --> 01:46:03.479
it's reflects our love for the Lord. It reflects our

1835
01:46:03.479 --> 01:46:07.199
respect for one another. And to be we need to

1836
01:46:07.239 --> 01:46:09.680
demand more of our kids, We need to demand more

1837
01:46:09.720 --> 01:46:12.119
of each other, and we need to be brave enough

1838
01:46:12.159 --> 01:46:14.840
to speak up and speak out when we encounter someone,

1839
01:46:15.279 --> 01:46:18.960
you know who frankly just has a bad vocabulary. I mean,

1840
01:46:18.960 --> 01:46:21.239
that's my mom used to say, someone who with bad

1841
01:46:21.319 --> 01:46:24.640
language has a poor vocabulary, which is a generous way

1842
01:46:24.680 --> 01:46:26.840
of putting it. But of course it's more than that,

1843
01:46:26.920 --> 01:46:28.159
but it certainly begins with that.

1844
01:46:28.760 --> 01:46:30.000
Yeah.

1845
01:46:29.079 --> 01:46:33.600
I experienced my drill instructors during my Marine Corps days,

1846
01:46:33.880 --> 01:46:37.079
and their command of the language was very limited because

1847
01:46:38.079 --> 01:46:42.920
they relied heavily on you know, certain expletives. In fact,

1848
01:46:43.760 --> 01:46:45.720
at one time, one of the drill instructors was on

1849
01:46:45.800 --> 01:46:51.039
a roll, and one brave marine recruits stood up and

1850
01:46:51.079 --> 01:46:54.600
applauded him because he managed to use that expletive. I

1851
01:46:54.600 --> 01:46:57.119
think something like fourteen times and two sentences.

1852
01:46:57.920 --> 01:47:00.399
Yeah, I mean, it's become almost a joke. And you know,

1853
01:47:00.479 --> 01:47:03.920
it's become so commonplace that it's how you know, some

1854
01:47:04.000 --> 01:47:07.239
people just I think, honestly, some people don't even realize

1855
01:47:07.279 --> 01:47:10.159
how bad their language is, right because of the type

1856
01:47:10.159 --> 01:47:14.439
of media they consume and the type of material they're consuming.

1857
01:47:15.039 --> 01:47:18.239
And you know, again again, moms and dads have an

1858
01:47:18.239 --> 01:47:23.560
opportunity here to really drill that home. Reverse your drill

1859
01:47:23.600 --> 01:47:26.000
instructor did it a different way, but moms and dads

1860
01:47:26.039 --> 01:47:29.199
around the dinner table. You know, Scripture is very clear

1861
01:47:29.239 --> 01:47:32.439
that our language is to be seasoned. It's supposed to

1862
01:47:32.520 --> 01:47:35.880
be you know, apples of gold and settings of silver.

1863
01:47:36.760 --> 01:47:40.119
That's it's important because it sets the tone. Doctor Dobson

1864
01:47:40.199 --> 01:47:43.279
used to say, the first five minutes of any conversation

1865
01:47:43.399 --> 01:47:45.760
will set the tone whether you walk in the house

1866
01:47:45.800 --> 01:47:48.039
after a rough day or whether the kids come home

1867
01:47:48.039 --> 01:47:52.239
from school. So be careful with those first five minutes especially.

1868
01:47:52.760 --> 01:47:55.399
Well exactly, and here we are, as people of faith

1869
01:47:56.439 --> 01:48:00.199
saying that we believe in Jesus, and we are too

1870
01:48:01.239 --> 01:48:06.119
affect our environment, not be affected by the environment, and

1871
01:48:06.319 --> 01:48:09.199
that is something that you have to constantly be prepared for,

1872
01:48:09.239 --> 01:48:11.479
and even more so these days because as you mentioned,

1873
01:48:12.600 --> 01:48:16.479
you know, social media is so pervasive, our cell phones,

1874
01:48:16.479 --> 01:48:19.800
the kind of language that is transported through our handheld

1875
01:48:19.880 --> 01:48:21.399
devices and that sort of thing.

1876
01:48:22.399 --> 01:48:23.680
And again, you.

1877
01:48:23.560 --> 01:48:27.439
Know, the casualness, especially of leaders of our country, and

1878
01:48:27.520 --> 01:48:30.880
I call them into account all the time on our

1879
01:48:30.920 --> 01:48:32.560
show and saying that's unacceptable.

1880
01:48:32.920 --> 01:48:34.039
You know, it's not.

1881
01:48:35.640 --> 01:48:38.600
To me, it's it should not be indicative of a

1882
01:48:38.720 --> 01:48:42.359
leader who has been elected to represent individuals to speak

1883
01:48:42.479 --> 01:48:42.680
like that.

1884
01:48:43.319 --> 01:48:46.840
Yeah, because you're you're talking about very impressionable people who

1885
01:48:46.920 --> 01:48:49.840
are watching them, who are listening, and you set you know,

1886
01:48:49.920 --> 01:48:52.680
you have your show and your name is on your show.

1887
01:48:52.800 --> 01:48:55.720
You set the tone. It's important to you to maintain

1888
01:48:55.760 --> 01:48:58.439
that decorum. And people know what to expect when they

1889
01:48:59.039 --> 01:49:01.680
tune into Bill Martinas Live. They know that they're going

1890
01:49:01.720 --> 01:49:04.439
to get quality, they're going to get honesty, they're going

1891
01:49:04.520 --> 01:49:07.760
to get integrity and character, and that carries over. I mean,

1892
01:49:07.800 --> 01:49:09.880
people appreciate that, and that's why you have a loyal

1893
01:49:09.920 --> 01:49:11.239
following well.

1894
01:49:11.079 --> 01:49:13.000
And The thing is, you know, as you say, for example,

1895
01:49:14.680 --> 01:49:19.720
you know, because there is this pervasiveness of this rudeness

1896
01:49:19.720 --> 01:49:22.840
that's going on, is that if you are civil, if

1897
01:49:22.880 --> 01:49:27.239
you are courteous, boy, that makes you stand out, doesn't it.

1898
01:49:27.239 --> 01:49:30.640
It really does? And a boy. I mean, we have

1899
01:49:30.680 --> 01:49:33.000
a resort here in town. It's called the broadmar it's

1900
01:49:33.039 --> 01:49:36.560
a five star resort and oh yeah, it's a beautiful place,

1901
01:49:36.760 --> 01:49:40.680
and they have these very high standards of employees. And

1902
01:49:41.319 --> 01:49:43.560
it struck me when I was there recently. We like

1903
01:49:43.600 --> 01:49:45.680
to walk around the lake. It's a free exercise and

1904
01:49:45.760 --> 01:49:48.479
it's a nice place to be. And I thought, you know,

1905
01:49:48.560 --> 01:49:52.359
if everybody treated each other like the broad more employees

1906
01:49:52.680 --> 01:49:57.880
treat guests, this would be a more wonderful place to live, right.

1907
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I mean, I look at each other in the eye.

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I address people by name, say please, say thank you,

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hold doors, you know, ask how can I help? I mean,

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all of the things that we all like when we

1911
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go places where we're treated, well, why don't we treat

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each other that way at home? Why don't we treat

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each other that way at the office? It can be contagious?

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And I think, you know that's what you and I

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thankfully grew up around and yes, exactly, we were influenced

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by that.

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Yeah, and for goodness sakes, how much does that cost?

1918
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Great point?

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I mean, yeah, it's free, and boy, it pays dividends forever,

1920
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because you know, we tell our kids, you're better off

1921
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with good manners than you are with a million dollars.

1922
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Good manners will get you further in life than a

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million dollars will. You'll blow through the dollars quickly, but

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you won't. It won't hurt you to have good manners

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the rest of your.

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Life, exactly.

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And then you know you made reference to the word

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of God that talks about that word aptly spoken. Often

1929
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I hear from people who have received an aptly spoken

1930
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word that's been life changing for them that you don't

1931
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even know. I think there was a story about this

1932
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young man. In fact, he was the valid. He went

1933
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on to become the valedictorian of his class. I think

1934
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in his freshman year he was so abused and bullied

1935
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that he just was depressed.

1936
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He just thought, well, that's it.

1937
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I'm just gonna I'm a loser. Everybody tells me I'm

1938
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a loser. And one day he's walking home he's got

1939
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his books in his hand and bully knocks his books

1940
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out of his hand, and he goes, that's it. You know,

1941
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I'm I'm I'm gonna commit suice. I mean, he was

1942
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so depressed, I give up. I'm gonnammit suicide. Well, this

1943
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other young kid who saw it came over, helped him,

1944
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picked up his books and put him in his hands

1945
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and hold deal and gave him some encouragement. And the

1946
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kid at his valedictorian address referenced that incident that happened

1947
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in his freshman year that it was a turnaround event

1948
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for him him because he went from one he was

1949
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committed to commit to it.

1950
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He had had it. He had been bullied to death.

1951
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Paul, And but for this, you know, when we talk

1952
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about an apolete spoken word, maybe it's not a word.

1953
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Maybe it's just a smile.

1954
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Maybe it's just a hand up, a you know, a

1955
01:52:19.960 --> 01:52:24.079
gesture of affirmation for somebody to say, you know what

1956
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you matter?

1957
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Right, that's a timely illustration, Bill, because here we are

1958
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in August and September. Schools are going back and boys

1959
01:52:33.000 --> 01:52:37.000
schools are tough environments for kids. Kids can be so cruel.

1960
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There's all kinds of reasons behind it. There's there's bullying

1961
01:52:40.640 --> 01:52:44.279
at home right, there's broken homes, and there's disappointment, and

1962
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there's frustration and anger. But our kids are stepping into very,

1963
01:52:48.239 --> 01:52:51.640
very vulnerable places. And if you have children, and if

1964
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you're even a child or a teenager listening, you can

1965
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be that change agent. You can be that encourager. Who

1966
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is that person who can save a life in the

1967
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long run, as you're describing it, and what a lovely

1968
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story of what one person, how one person can affect

1969
01:53:07.000 --> 01:53:09.119
someone else, and then those people affect all kinds of

1970
01:53:09.199 --> 01:53:12.760
other people. But boy, bullying is an epidem is an epidemic,

1971
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and I'm glad you mentioned it, and we need to

1972
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get on top of that. There should be zero tolerance

1973
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for that exactly, and speak up when you see it.

1974
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But you make a great point here, Paul, and that

1975
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is that we do, we do have the ability to

1976
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be that change agent.

1977
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Okay, to lead with you know, common courtesy.

1978
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Although I can understand why some people say it's not

1979
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quite as common as it used to be when you

1980
01:53:39.319 --> 01:53:41.840
and I were growing up, But that's okay, but it'll

1981
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stand out and you could make a big difference. And

1982
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what happens is when you are being courteous towards others.

1983
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It just seems the discourteousness of others kind of just

1984
01:53:53.119 --> 01:53:55.279
slides off your back a little bit like a duck,

1985
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doesn't it.

1986
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It does. Yeah, I know.

1987
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Courtesy is contagious. And it's also so you know, less

1988
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tolerant when you know, if if goodness, goodness can overcome evilness,

1989
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I mean pretty quickly.

1990
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And uh yeah, it's it is.

1991
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It's just it's it's all about creating an environment, a

1992
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pleasant environment, and people tend to live up to their

1993
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best expectations that you put on them and when we

1994
01:54:20.359 --> 01:54:23.039
need to expect these things of kids, and teachers can

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do that.

1996
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Parents can do that as.

1997
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Well well, Mom and dads.

1998
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You know, as Paul said, hey, we're going into the

1999
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school season and this might be the time for you

2000
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to have that conversation with your kids and armor them

2001
01:54:35.319 --> 01:54:40.119
up right with a full armor of God from Ephesian six, Paul,

2002
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where can people go?

2003
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Families go for more information? As we wrap things up.

2004
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Well, focus on the family.

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Dot com is our is our big source and we're

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grateful for the partnership with you, Bill and sale them

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and it's a fantastic arrangement. We have material, you have

2008
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the airwaves, and our social media channels are on all

2009
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the mainstreams as well.

2010
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Paul Battoura, the Vice President of Communications, spokesperson for the Ministry,

2011
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editor in chief of The Daily Citizen, Focus on the

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Family dot com.

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Right, that's right.

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You got to thank you, Paul. Take care, have a

2015
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great day, you too, Bill, Thank you.

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Thank you.

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