Jan. 1, 2026
The Bill Martinez Show 01 01 26
The Bill Martinez Show 01 01 26
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Are you ready, Yeah, Okay, let's do it.
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Bill Martinez Live a program about current events, our culture,
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our values, our politics, and our future. And now Bill Martinez.
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Hey, good morning.
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Six minutes after the top of the hour, Bill Martinez here.
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Great to have you with us. Also, we've got Michael
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pack And, the director and producer of the Last six
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hundred Meters joining us. He's the president of Manifold Productions
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and Palladium Pitchers. Michael, welcome the show. Good to have
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you with us.
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Thank you. Good to be with you.
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Bill.
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Well, I want to talk about something you recently addressed,
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and that is the Department of Defense sending out a
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warning to Senator Mark Kelly said he could be recalled
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to face navy charges. What say you, Well, first of all.
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I want to remind your viewers and listeners that they
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can still get the last six hundred meters on animal.
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I'm glad you brought that up because I was going
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to ask you about that, but I want to get it.
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Let's go ahead and talk about that because some people
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have asked, because of course it was featured. There was
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a big part of Veteran's Day and the whole holiday, so.
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Absolutely so it's still available on Amazon and will be
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for the foreseeable future. Well, look, I'm really concerned about
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that ad there, rat. I mean, I think it was horrible.
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I mean it's one of those things. I mean, technically,
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of course, in the military they don't have to obey
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illegal orders, but I think there's some standard. It has
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to be sort of obviously illegal. I mean, it's meant
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to if you're like a sergeant and your lieutenant tells
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you to shoot a prisoner, you're supposed to decline. But
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you're not supposed to decide the constitutionality of questions like
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bombing boats in Venezuela or anything like that. I mean,
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how can you? And that's sort of the implication bill.
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It reminds me a little bit like in my neighborhood
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here in Chevy Chase, a very little neighborhood. Those signs
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were so popular during the pandemic. You know, I trust Science,
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Love Love, and those are all tautologies. And this is
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a tautology too. Obviously soldiers don'tenough to obey illegal orders.
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But those tautologies implied something else. When they said science
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is science, they meant that that whatever doctor Factie said,
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they would do right and When these people say don't
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obey illegal orders, they mean question the orders that Donald
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Trump says and make up your own mind whether you
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want to follow them. That's sort of the hidden subtext.
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And I think that's what angers Donald Trump and Pete
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Hegsaff and right, Lisa, and I.
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Think it angers most Americans that voted for Donald Trump
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because they've been trying to recap him since day one.
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I mean, this has been going on for years, and
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we're kind of fed up with this. I mean, we've
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got a country to save here, get back on track,
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and all they can do is, you know, put a
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stick in his spoke, so to speak, and trip him
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up here and of course right now, I mean if
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that wasn't bad enough, here we're talking a present event
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who already had an attempted assassination on him. The rhetoric
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that they have been dishing out that he's a fascist,
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he's Hitler, and this, I mean, this is very dangerous.
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And so this is another one of those arrows in
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the quiver that are targeted for Donald Trump. And I
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don't even think that for a moment that they're considering
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what this would do to our country. I mean, here
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we are month of November. We remember sixty two years
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ago with the assassination of JFK and what it did
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to this country. Could you imagine an assassination of Donald
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Trump right now? What this would do to America?
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I cannot imagine, or if the two earlier assassination attempts
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had been successful. Yes, I mean no, it is very horrible.
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I agree, it's very destabilizing. In my film The Last
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six hundred Meters, lots of these marines got orders they
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didn't like and they thought were wrong. But you could
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see it in the film as they expressed their anger
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at being told, in particular not to finish the fight
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in nu Joff and Fallujah, but they did what they
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were told. I mean, that idea where they can start
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questioning these things is really it's it's dangerous at a
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very deep level, and it's a it's a it's disconcerting
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to the you know, it puts these servicemen in a terrible, terrible.
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Position exactly, you know, and watching that in the movie
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The Last six hundred Meters, it was reminiscent of Vietnam.
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I'm a Vietnam era vet. I wasn't in country. I
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was in public relations stationed at Camp Pendleton, California. So
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a lot of information went through and it was very frustrating,
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especially in interviewing the Marines when they came back, you know,
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from being in country, because there was a lot of
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civilian involvement and and it was that same type of
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conflict because what they would do, Michael, they would they
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would go and they would conquer a hill and then
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they would recede, and then the next day the commander
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would tell him, you know, officials would tell him. The
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brass would say, Hey, we got to go conquer that
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hill again. Oh wait a minute, we just lost a
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half a dozen of our buddies who are dead in
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body bags because we just didn't. Now we've got to
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go back and do it again. And this was a
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cyclic type of thing that happened in Vietnam. And that's
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a whole nother argument altogether with civilians being involved here.
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So you can't blame the military for having that content,
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not that you are for having that kind of consciousness,
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because you go to war to win, you don't go
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to play paddy cake.
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Absolutely, it was really frustrating for all the Marines in
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my film in the very, very similar way. But they
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didn't ever decide that they couldn't that they would just
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not obey orders. I mean, that's look, we have a
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civilian control of the military, and civilians have been screwing
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up the military. Your military has been given a good
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advice and the civilia has been ignoring it for hundreds
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of years. They'll keep doing that again. The only solution
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to that problem would be a military junto where the
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military takes over the government and it's run by the military,
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And that's the solution in many Latin American countries, and
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it doesn't work out so well. We believe in civilian
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control of the military. It would be nice if they
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did it, if they were at least, you know, if
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they did it in a way that would win wars.
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But in the meantime, it's not up to the military
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to decide individuals on the front lines, and it puts
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them in a worse position. I mean, if where they're
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actually asked to make those kinds of decisions on whether
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things are right or wrong, or constitutional or ethical.
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You know, you can't think when you're on the battlefield.
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It's life or death, and everything is measured in seconds. Michael, indeed,
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and so for these you know, these are elected officials,
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and Mark Kelly especially, you know, Homer military himself, he
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should know better. Shame on him for doing this. I am,
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you know, as a as a marine myself. I'm I'm
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just grievely disgusted with him, and I believe that every
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one of them at least should be censured. I know
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that Trump was very emotive about it and uh and.
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Called it out for what it is. It is seditious.
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Uh. And and to put that in the minds that question,
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and to do it in such a nebulous way. They
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didn't come in and say, hey, President Trump ordered this,
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we deem this to be an unlawful order. No, they
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just send it out there, you know, kind of as
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a just as a you know, a bomb to be
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detonated in the minds of these young soldiers.
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And they were unable to name any illegal order that
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Donald Trump is given right, I mean, it's not these
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illegal order things tend to be at a lower level.
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If the president does something illegal, the ways to challenge
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it are very clear. You know, you can, you could,
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you know, the Congress can challenge it. The Supreme the
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law courts can challenge it if it's unconstitutional and those
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and his actions, you know, are being challenged and we'll
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see what the Supreme Court says. So the implication is
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really not to want to go through the normal challenge
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to question a presidential order. I mean, you know, in practice,
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I mean, people have things like the Lieutenant Cally example,
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talking about Vietnam and mind although he had no order,
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apparently he did it on his own. But yeah, if
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you're going to murder civilians and you're told by your captain,
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that's one thing. Presidential decisions that are matters of national policy.
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You know.
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The next level down are the generals, and they have
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many ways to challenge it and question it. I mean,
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for example, they can announce publicly and then resign their
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commissions in protest. I mean, they have lots of ways.
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So it really confuses and conflates lots of things there.
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And I think you're right, it's hard to know what
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the intention was. But and I am also very disappointed
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in Mark Kelly. I mean, you would think that such
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a decorated marine veteran would not be Hey, Navy, Navy.
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It was shocking. It's shocking.
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