June 23, 2025

That Day in Dallas-Lee Harvey Oswald Did Not Shoot JFK

That Day in Dallas-Lee Harvey Oswald Did Not Shoot JFK
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Season 2

Robert Tanenbaum's new book, is best described as a prosecution of those corrupt, unscrupulous government and unelected agency officials, who from inception with predetermined outcomes, deceitfully engaged in insecure, phony pretense probes regarding the assassination of JFK. He shares stunning and shocking “immutable facts” that reveal the government’s reliance on the Warren Commission investigation and the House Select Committee on Assassinations which are wrong today as they were then.

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Well, it's been over six decades, right, and the mystery

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still continues as to who was responsible for killing John F.

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Kennedy. And you know has many.

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As many people out there are opinions, but clearly the

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majority of America believes that this is a conspiracy that

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yet has been resolved. And one of the greatest mysteries

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is why the man accused of assassinating President John F.

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Kennedy was himself gonned down. Think about that, right? Well,

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Robert Tannenbaum, who was an attorney that in seventy six

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was appointed Deputy Chief Council in charge of the Congressional

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Investigation into the assassination of President Kennedy. He is the

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author of the book That Day in Dallas, Leigh Harvey

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Oswald did Not Kill JFK. He's an author of thirty

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three books twenty nine novels for nonfiction books. One of

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the most successful prosecuting attorneys, having never lost a fellow

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new trial and convicting hundreds of violent criminals. He was

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a special prosecution consultant on the Hillside Strangler case in

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Los Angeles and defended Amy Grosberg in her sensationalized baby

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death case. He was the Assistant District Attorney in New

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York County and the office of legendary District Attorney Frank Hogan,

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where he ran the homicide Bureau. Robert Tennenbaum joins us, now,

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welcome to the show. Good to have you with us.

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Sir, Yeah, thank you, thank you. It was good to

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be here.

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Well, this has been one of those questions that has

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haunted the American people for six decades as to who

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shot JFK. And in your book That Day in Dallas,

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you said, there's no question about it, it wasn't Lee

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Harvey Oswell.

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That's right.

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The evidence in the case is overwhelming. As a matter

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of fact, the way I got involved in this whole thing.

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Was in aug was in October of seventy six, and

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Richard A. Sprague, who was mister Pennsylvania as far as

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lawyers were concerned. He was a chief assistant DA in Philadelphia,

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and he was he became in the middle of October

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seventy six he was appointed Chief Counselor of the House

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of that Committee on Assassinations where I was looking into

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the assassinations at President Kennedy and the Reverend doctor Martin

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Luther King, and.

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He called me up. I didn't know who he was.

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I was, as you mentioned that, during a homicide here,

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and I was trying murder case. After I was prosecuting

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murder case after murder case turned out that the only

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person who ever tried more, no one ever tried more

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in New York than I, but Richard Spray tried more

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than I. And that's kind of guy he was. He

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was tremendous and teperity person and a brilliant, brilliant, wonderful individual.

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So he called me up in the middle of October

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seventy sixth and asked me if I wanted to be

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part of this investigation that he wanted me to work

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with him on the assassination of President Kennedy, and it

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was a subcommittee. So we met, we chatted, and I

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believed in him that he was a truth seeker, and

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indeed I was right, and we stayed together for many,

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many years. We had a forty six year friendship as

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a result of meeting through this case and what happened

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when we went to Washington. As you know, so that

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committee has a life of two years. That is to say,

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it gets funded. All the standing committees funded each every

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couple of years. They don't go through a press, but

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a select committee has a two year life. So this

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select committee was starting in seventy seven in January, and

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it would have expired or did expire in seventy eight

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December thirty one.

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Now, a lot of things.

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Happened during this period of time because ultimately Sprague and

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I obtained a commitment from the members of the committee

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that they would not interfere with the investigation, they wouldn't

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politicize this thing.

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If they did, we would leave because it's their committee.

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It was a congressional committee, wasn't a Tanaban committee or

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a Spray committee. And they agreed they were not pulled

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around with this, and we said, we have no brief

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in this case. That is to say, we're not coming

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down here to say Oswell did it or Oswell did

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it to it? We don't know and exactly, but whatever

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the evidence would be, we're going to tell the American public,

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if that's what you.

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Want, Robert, I want to make sure our audience understands

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the kind of attorney that you and Sprague represent, which

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is the majority of attorneys. You didn't come in with

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a fixed agenda. You didn't come in, you know, off

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the heels of you know, the Warrant Commission or what

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anybody else said. You just said, look at we're attorneys.

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We follow the evidence, and we follow the evidence to

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it to its truthful conclusion. Is that fair to say?

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That's exactly right to say. And that's what we started

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out doing. And as a matter of fact, what happened

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was but the evidence in this case is so overwhelming

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that when I spoke to lous Stokes every day and

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he was the chairman of our committee Lustos, he was

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a kind of he was a member of the or

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the the House for represented Cleveland, Ohio. And as a

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matter of fact, he took a special seat because his brother,

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Karl STOs was the first black mayor of Cleveland. They

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wanted to have a federal seat so that they can

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get the money and do good things with infrastructure, schools, education,

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all these kinds of things that you know, people want

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when they go to Washington. Whether they do it when

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they get there's a whole other story, whole other story.

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Anyway.

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Our story is is that first week we were in Washington,

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I got a call from Richard Schweiker. He's a Republican

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member of the so called Church Committee, which was investigating

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the assassinations of the executive intelligence agencies, and they wanted

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to know the effect on the executive intelligence agencies and

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who may have committed the murders that were involved with

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President Kennedy and ultimately with Martin Luther King. So the

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bottom line here was that Schweiker told me he wanted

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to sit in the Schweiker again a conservative Republican. He

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wasn't ounced for any kind of self angrandizement. He wasn't

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looking for any meetings with the press, etc. And as

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a matter of fact, he was very subdued because he said,

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I want you to take my notes. The evidence is

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in there from what we found. We know that you're

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not bound by it by any stretchy imagination. And I

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said that's correct. And I said, what else can I

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do for you? He said, I want you to know

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two things, both of which I know your background. You

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were head of the criminal courts and the homicide hereau

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in the New York County DA's office. And when you

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were ahead of the criminal courts, you had two hundred

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and fifty new cases every day because we arranged seven

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days a week at night as well as during the day.

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So there were one hundred and fifty new cases during

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the day and one hundred at night. And he said,

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I need someone who can evaluate caseload, who can evaluate evidence.

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You're the person for me. So that was what the

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whole thing with Sprague was. And so anyway, Schwiker gives

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me his notes and he said, what I have to

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tell you is that the Central Intelligence Agency, the CIA,

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totally obstructed this investigation from inception.

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They lie told you. He told you that upfront.

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Up front, right the first week when I was in Washington,

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when he asked me to come to his office when

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it all happened in his office, and he said, they

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totally obstructed this investigation. They lied, they made things up,

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and it's all there in my notes. But what really

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rankles me, and I must say it's gut rentry for

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me to tell you, is someone who spent ten years

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in the DA's office in Manhattan doing what you were doing.

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We know about all the cases that you prosecuted. They

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were all cases, jury cases. Confernic by the way, not

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that you put a juror in the box and someone

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then polase guilty.

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Oh I haven't I just had a jury trial. Yeah, no,

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that's a dream.

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But anyway, what I'm saying is that he then said

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to me what his gut wrenchry for me to tell

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you is from the evidence as we found it, CIA

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was involved and participated in the assassination.

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Of President John F. Kennedy. Well, I must tell you

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he was right. I was shocked.

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And when he told me that, I felt that there

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were like ten gallons of ice water poured on my head.

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Because because you're kind of going into this in with

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a neutral mindset, saying okay, let me find the evidence,

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and so the guy who brings you in says, well,

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let me tell you. Let me tell you upfront all

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my research. I mean at this point, where what fourteen

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almost fifteen years since the assassination, right.

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Yeah, exactly, This was seventy seven six. I was appointed

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in October, right, and then is seventy seven It was

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the first week I was in Washington on this case

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along with Sprague. And that's when Senator Richard Schwiker called

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me to tell me what his findings were, because he

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was head of the subcommittee the Congression, the Senatorial Subcommittee

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on the assassination that occurred in the Executive Intelligence ass

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is how they responded to it. That was what his

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mission was. So he investigated the Kennedy assassination. And these

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were the things he told me the very first week

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we were in Washington.

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So what other things did he revealed to you, Robert,

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besides that the CIA was involved in the assassination of JFK.

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Did he refute the sole gunman, Lee Harvey Oswell, that.

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Is probably the evidence that was offered by the select

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committee was so embarrassing. And he said that to me

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during the course of the conversation. He said, you're not

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going to believe what people did who were on these committees.

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They definitely, in his opinion, the government contrived knowingly This

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was not some naive situation. He claimed from the evidence,

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all of which was in his notes, that the government

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knowingly contrived the predetermined conclusion through the pretense of an investigation.

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It was a pretense probe, if you will, and both

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the Warrant Commission and the House Select Committee on Assassinations,

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according to his opinion, were disregarded all the convincing and

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testimony of evidence that and trustworthy evidence that was there,

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and it's still there as far as he was concerned,

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You'll be very surprised.

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How would so accessible? I said, why? Why has nobody

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else come up with this?

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Exactly? That's that I want to.

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Tell you why.

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And you're going to hear this from other people who

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I'm sure Low Stokes, who was chairman of the committee,

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will tell you and verify this. People were afraid of

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retaliation from the CIA if they investigated this case properly.

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I said, that is something that I find absolutely also incredible. Moreover,

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what was incredible was the committee decided, after they came

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down with the single bullet theory with neutron activation analysis,

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the ellegts science in this case, they claimed, and you know,

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the lest science metallurgical PhDs like PhDs rather by metallurgical

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PhDs when they heard about this neutron activation analysis, which

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was the principal testing component for comparative bullet letter analysis.

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What does all that mean?

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I mean is that they claimed he's so called experts

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from neutron activation analysis. They claimed that a fragment could

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match a fragment and a fragment could match a bullet.

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Why is this important in the case, because the in

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the justification for what they decided the CIA decided to

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go through, it was that neutron activation analysis NAA was

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science and if anybody disbelieved the science of NAA, and

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this is what they said, this is not something to

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be made up, that then you believe in the world

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is flat.

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Oh yeah, exactly yeah, same argument they told us about COVID, right, yeah.

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Exactly, yeah, there's no question.

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And so what happened was no one bothered from the

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government at that time to speak to metallurgical PhDs.

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But once they found out about what was.

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Being alleged from NAA, they came in and they said

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NAA is invalid and here are the reasons why you

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can't get involved in this soup. Development of these issues

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as it relates to for example, a pistol. We know

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from every pistol that's made as an infirmity, and so

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now bullet spins through it. You have the loops in

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the world, and you can show that they came from

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the same gun. That's not what this is. That's not

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what neutron activation analysis is. That is since and the

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importance in the case, in the lie which the evidence

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tells us, was that the NAA issue left two pieces

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of missiles in the case, two pieces of ballistics. Why

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they claimed that that there were two major fragments in

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the limo that matched each other and that they came

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from one bullet. Then they said Governor Connolly had some

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fragments removed from his wrist because Tonnally, as you know,

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was struck as they found out that they made up

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that in their wound in JFK's throat, the magic all

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it came out finally in the back and the shoulder,

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fractured his his axial nerve, in his right wrist and

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seven to ten and in his thumb and is between

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his right thumb and his right index finger. Now this

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bullet talking about absurdity was that we know from from

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what happened at dearly Plaza. The government's position was and

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has never changed for six or two years, is that

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there were three shots from the rear of JFK. One

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hit him in the head and one hit him in

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the right in the in the body five six inches

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below the neckline, so the opening were on the throat.

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It was below the neckline on the show of the

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blade area of his back, and it was a downward

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track exactly.

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Rushian Arose I wanted to know if that was If

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that's the case, we know that from war tops you

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and all this evidence is in the book. It's all

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in the book. So what happened was they said, yes,

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there was a downward track, but you know what happened here,

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It actually went up eleven degrees and came out JF

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case throat.

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And that's the bullet of the one bullet theory.

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Now, I mean, you mean, in all your court cases

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and dealing with and dealing with any kind of bullet trajectory,

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you've never seen a bullet, you know, alter its flight.

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Well, offer its trail.

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It all takes a rail, right, Yeah, we want to

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talk about the absurdities of this case. By the way,

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the House Select Committee decided that once they were getting

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questioned about what they were finding, they then sealed for

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fifty years the evidence in this case, which was totally

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improper to do. In my judgment, there's no there was

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no evidence here that we found to this date that

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dealt with national security. And I said to them, I

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said to the government people, if there is any interferes

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here or disclosures we don't want to make about about

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national security, we'll go to court. We'll have an end camera,

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you know, a private meeting with the judge on the record,

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and asked the judge to make a I know from

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my experience when I looked at all these documents, there's

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nothing there involving any embarrassment or unnecessary disclosures of national

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security or anything else. So they totally ignore this. But

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here's the other aspect of the case which I think

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is important, and that is when the shots were fired

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at Daily Plaza, and when you and again Sprague and

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I did nothing different than we did with investigating every

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murder case we had responsibility for, and for that matter,

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every other case as well. And that is there were

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five shots fired at Daily Plaza. I mean the significance

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of it was the witnesses were very important. Why do

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I say that, because most witnesses feel if they can't

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make an identification of a shooter, and in a shooting

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murder for example, or any kind of case like that

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where they think they could identify the shooter at a lineup,

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they don't think they made any contribution. But that's not

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the case, because here we go at Dearly Plaza. The

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witnesses told us that there were basically from all the

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documents and everything else we looked at that there were

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two flurries of shots.

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The first flurry hit.

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Kennedy and Connelly in the back, and Kennedy according to

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the government, that was hitting the head. Those were it

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turned out because of the science in the case. Keep

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in mind, from when I was investigating this case, I

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had what I call immutable evidence scientific visual, audio, and

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acoustics that were laid out more scientifically than others who

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at the time were doing this. So when I say

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that the witnesses said there were two or three shots

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in the first flurry, there were three shots, we know that.

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And they said it happened very quickly, Well, we know

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what happened in two point six seconds. And then they said,

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by the way, all the shooting at that at the

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at dearly Plasa took eight point three seconds two point

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six they said. It happened quickly. Then the witnesses said

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there was a pause. The pause was four point eight seconds.

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They didn't know these numbers right exactly. And then this

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is what happened. And I urge everybody to take a

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good look at this see for yourself. We're about to

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tell you. The fourth shot was a boom blast that

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people on the bridge watching the motorcade, the limo come

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down Elm going westerly, and that was Holland and his

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other group of five that were with him and so on.

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They immediately turned to their left to look at the

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area of the stockade fence. A matter of fact, when

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you look and you look at Zapru to filming, he

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looks over there in that area, and there were people

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on the grass in front of that area who went

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down on the grass to someone who protect their children

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because they thought they were a line of fire.

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Right.

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So now at frame three one three, I call that

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Zapru to frame three one three, we see and again

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this is all in the book that day in Dallas.

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It's in the book because it represents what we see

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a major flare and that's the shot that blows Kennedy's

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head out. So he's murdered complete lately, he's murdered at

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frame three thirteen. I even have frame three twelve and there,

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so you see the difference right away, Bengal, it's eighteen

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point three frames per second from the film. So when

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we're talking a few frames, it's an insignificant period of

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time because.

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Four Robert and Robert, this is a side shot.

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And it isn't right.

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That's right, because seven tenths of a second later is

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the fifth shot that takes place in this case, and

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it it's Kennedy in the top of his cow lick.

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And we were able to Bob Groden and I Bob

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Groden was a representative expert in all of this who

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worked with me on this issue when we determined that

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there must have been a fifth shot because of all

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of the damage that the fragments had done. But where'd

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they come from? But I'll get to that in the moment,

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because what happened with the fourth shot that was in

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the stockade fence area in close proximity to where Zach

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Rudu is filming this shot and this is what destroys

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in part, the entire government pretense of an investigation. The

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fourth shot was Kennedy's head to violently move backwards and

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to his left, just as I'm doing here for you.

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Now his head with he was shot here above the

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right temple and above the right temple, above his right ear.

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His head snaps back as if he were hit with

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a baseball. About it, some of the witnesses said, who

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were watching this whole thing? And it falls on his

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wife's right shoulder where he becomes vitally depressed. He's immobile

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and he basically is slum dead resting on Missus Kennedy's

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right shoulder. But why do I mention this to you?

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Is so important? We know this as human beings who

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know the very basics of science. If someone is shot

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in the back of the head, which the government says

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Kennedy was, how does his head go backwards?

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No, does it goes forward?

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Thank you.

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Now, the government was confronted with dilemma. They knowingly went

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out of its way to say that Kennedy was shot

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three times off from the back. But now the evidence

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shows us on film that is head snapped back. So

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what the government did to try to cover that up

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was to make ten gelatinized skulls, and they were going

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to do with a shooting practice same height as the

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depository window, six floor, same distance, same rifle. And they

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then shot these ten skulls and guess which direction they

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went take a while, Guess.

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Well, they had to go forward exactly.

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Thank you very much. You win the prize, you get

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the cooopy doll here, that's it.

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I'm a witness for you. So how can they justify

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all this? And that's how they come up with neuchrun

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activation analysis, and then that gets destroyed because these metallurgical

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PhDs went out of their way to give skating critiques.

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And so what happened was the FBI now was under

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the gun because they had sent agents into court under

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road testifying that you can match to a fragment or

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a fragment to a bullet. And now the I said, please,

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do the experts. Give us the ten best experts you

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know in the country who are metallurgical experts, and we

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want to know what their opinion is. And they did that,

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and every one of them in their opinion was you

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shoot somebody in the back of the head. The head's

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going to go forward. This is so basic.

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Yeah, I mean Rogers and Roger Stone even presented it

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in his movie as you know.

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Well, I'm not something if I tell you about something

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about Stone. In my opinion, we don't share the same

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view of America. I thank god I was born in Brooklyn,

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New York. Okay, you don't have to you know what

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I'm coming from with that. Yeah, I know, and I

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don't perceive him. And I've had this argument with him

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about how we differ about what America is and so on.

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I'm very much as far as my value system goes somewhere,

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you know, between Lincoln, Jefferson and Washington. So but that

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doesn't mean I don't listen to other people and I

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don't respect their right to have a different opinion. I'm

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just telling you myself and that movie. The reason I

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mentioned Stone was he puts in that movie a load

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of important It's very difficult for someone to watch that

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film for the first time and process it all. So

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to his credit, I told him this when we met

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on occasion. You know, what you've done here is a

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good service, no question about it. And that's my opinion,

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and he was very gracious about it all. Always we

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were very professional. This wasn't any head of anti stuff.

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So we now know that neutron activation analysis was invalid.

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And the one bullet theory is an embarrassment because how

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do you get a bullet that has a downward track

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to come up eleven degrees and come out the throat

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in order to justify what the one bullet theory is

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all about?

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Right, So Robert, let me ask you what about was

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there any validity to that bullet that was found in

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the stretcher.

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No, because the bullet that was found in the structure

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they claimed to be the pristine bullet.

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That's the other aspect of all this.

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In the evidence in the book, I was able to

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show where the government took that bullet as an example

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and and and did test firing with the bullet and

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with other similar bullets. And that is to say they

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had they took two shots with bullets into cotton wadding. Well,

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there was no deformity, nor did anybody expect it. But

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that's two bullets. So the third, the third bullet, I'm sorry,

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the fourth bullet was shot and struck Kennedy in the rib,

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and that bullet was had some deformity. The fifth bullet

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struck struck the skeleton in the right wrist. This is

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the axial nerve and the right wrist where Kennedy was

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where Connolly was shot, and that's where they took that

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fragment from. And that's where Connolly was struck. According to

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the government in the single bullet theory. From the bullet

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going up with eleven degrees out the throat, it struck.

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It struck Connolly in the back, in the right shoulder

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and the right in.

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His back and his rib and struck him the actual nerve.

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Now, why didn't want to mention this against you because

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when you look at the testing that the government did

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on this bullet, it was totally deformed. But not the

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pristine bullet, not alleguly did all this. You're with me,

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and I'm saying, I know, I guess confused after a while.

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But the bottom line here is that the pristine bullet

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that they used and this five bullet example, the first

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two in cotton wadding, no deformity. The fourth bullet I'm

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talking one is the pristaine two three cotton watting. The

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fourth bullet strikes the rib and then the fifth bullet,

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which did most of the damage here struck and in

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the actual nerve in Connolly's wrist fractured his wrist. And

472
00:25:46.079 --> 00:25:49.039
by the way, how do we know all this as well? Connelly,

473
00:25:49.079 --> 00:25:51.680
as you recall, was holding that stetson hat, the white hat,

474
00:25:52.160 --> 00:25:54.720
exactly upside down, so they could just flip it on

475
00:25:55.200 --> 00:25:59.039
to all the shooting. He holds onto that except when

476
00:25:59.079 --> 00:26:03.599
he gets that shot in the axial nerve, and it

477
00:26:03.640 --> 00:26:05.839
would be the equivalent that doctors have told me the

478
00:26:05.880 --> 00:26:12.240
experts is if we were shot in the right below

479
00:26:12.279 --> 00:26:15.440
the knee. If that were the case, we would fall down.

480
00:26:15.519 --> 00:26:18.160
We wouldn't be able to stand up. Similarly, when you're

481
00:26:18.200 --> 00:26:20.559
shot in the axial nerve and it fractures your wrist

482
00:26:20.799 --> 00:26:23.920
and severs the tendon in your right hand from right

483
00:26:23.960 --> 00:26:27.799
thumb to index finger, you must he must have had.

484
00:26:28.200 --> 00:26:30.519
That's why he experienced and that's why he drops the

485
00:26:30.559 --> 00:26:33.480
white stets in hat. So there were so many different

486
00:26:33.480 --> 00:26:36.119
ways to tell the truth here, but yet our government

487
00:26:36.440 --> 00:26:40.599
contrived its conclusion. It was predetermined that it was a

488
00:26:40.599 --> 00:26:43.319
pretense and none of this evidence was off it. By

489
00:26:43.319 --> 00:26:49.079
the way, the Parkland doctors offering what were potential major

490
00:26:49.480 --> 00:26:53.440
truth tellers in this case here they are in trauma

491
00:26:53.519 --> 00:26:55.799
Room one when the body is brought in and they're

492
00:26:55.799 --> 00:26:58.640
trying to do everything they can experimentally or in otherwise.

493
00:26:59.039 --> 00:27:01.960
We're all within the is that they were familiar with.

494
00:27:02.519 --> 00:27:05.799
They could not save his life, and they tried to

495
00:27:05.839 --> 00:27:07.079
do everything they could to do it.

496
00:27:07.279 --> 00:27:11.240
And it's amazing how heroic that was, Robert, because his brain,

497
00:27:11.480 --> 00:27:13.480
half of his brain was out of his skull.

498
00:27:13.839 --> 00:27:14.799
That's exactly right.

499
00:27:14.799 --> 00:27:17.480
And what your perfect point I wanted to mention that

500
00:27:17.799 --> 00:27:21.240
to you, and that is that doctor kem Clark, who

501
00:27:21.319 --> 00:27:25.519
was chief of neurosurgery, was in the intrauma Room one

502
00:27:26.079 --> 00:27:28.839
with his staff and he said he observed the gaping

503
00:27:28.880 --> 00:27:31.279
hole in the back of JFK's head and it was

504
00:27:31.440 --> 00:27:34.519
it was the lower right occipital bone, which is the

505
00:27:34.640 --> 00:27:36.920
harryella bone in the occipal bone meet together in the

506
00:27:36.960 --> 00:27:40.920
back of our head that was blown out. And he

507
00:27:41.000 --> 00:27:43.920
said he saw the cerebellum. And Clint Hill was a

508
00:27:43.920 --> 00:27:46.119
secret service as when he went and hit the car

509
00:27:46.640 --> 00:27:48.319
at the back of it, he looked down, he said

510
00:27:48.319 --> 00:27:50.839
he saw JFK had an empty head and he wrote

511
00:27:50.880 --> 00:27:52.400
about that in his own book.

512
00:27:52.440 --> 00:27:56.720
Clinton And also that the Jacqueline Kennedy when you saw her,

513
00:27:57.200 --> 00:27:59.319
you know, jumping to the back of the truck was

514
00:28:00.039 --> 00:28:03.119
and Clinton I interviewed Clinton. He said that she was

515
00:28:03.240 --> 00:28:06.960
just grabbing the president's brain matter and bringing him back in.

516
00:28:08.440 --> 00:28:11.759
So then we have doctor Robert McClellan. This is interesting.

517
00:28:12.119 --> 00:28:15.799
He drafted a vivid diagram and an expert came in

518
00:28:16.119 --> 00:28:18.480
and it depicted the gaping hole in the back of

519
00:28:18.599 --> 00:28:20.599
JFK's head, which has been legendary.

520
00:28:20.599 --> 00:28:20.960
You see it.

521
00:28:20.960 --> 00:28:23.319
It's about this large just taking hole in the back

522
00:28:23.359 --> 00:28:27.680
of the president's head. And then an interesting phenomenon was

523
00:28:27.720 --> 00:28:33.599
that doctor Robert Shaw was the thoracic surgeon that helped

524
00:28:33.640 --> 00:28:36.920
out that went right to the aid of Governor Connolly

525
00:28:37.759 --> 00:28:40.480
in the drama room, and he did something and says

526
00:28:40.559 --> 00:28:43.559
something a few people mentioned, but I want you to

527
00:28:44.000 --> 00:28:49.279
hear it, and that is that doctor Robert Shaw, who

528
00:28:49.319 --> 00:28:53.920
was Connery's thorastic surgeon, said that it was a downward track.

529
00:28:54.000 --> 00:28:56.200
He keep in mind, this was before he smoke to anybody,

530
00:28:56.400 --> 00:28:58.680
and that has to say other than the injured.

531
00:28:59.079 --> 00:29:01.559
And he said it downward track.

532
00:29:01.599 --> 00:29:04.640
And he's talking into his microphone as the doctors do

533
00:29:04.799 --> 00:29:06.839
at autopsy and sell on the pictures of which they

534
00:29:06.839 --> 00:29:08.880
want to make sure that anyone else who comes in

535
00:29:08.960 --> 00:29:09.519
can pick.

536
00:29:09.359 --> 00:29:10.119
It up right away.

537
00:29:10.599 --> 00:29:12.440
And they don't own this day. Know that it's all

538
00:29:12.480 --> 00:29:16.440
scientific and they share information. And Shaw said that the

539
00:29:16.519 --> 00:29:21.039
shot in Connell that hit Connolly was had a twenty

540
00:29:21.119 --> 00:29:24.279
seven degree declination downward.

541
00:29:23.880 --> 00:29:28.640
Track exactly right. Let me let me ask you this

542
00:29:29.359 --> 00:29:32.880
side sidebar, real quick. I'm sorry, but did they ever

543
00:29:33.039 --> 00:29:36.680
did they ever determine that the rifle that Lee rb

544
00:29:36.759 --> 00:29:42.759
Oswald supposedly used, Was there any evidence of that around

545
00:29:42.920 --> 00:29:44.960
had been shot from that gun?

546
00:29:45.279 --> 00:29:46.680
No? And I want to tell you something about it.

547
00:29:46.759 --> 00:29:47.960
Let me just finish this point to us.

548
00:29:47.960 --> 00:29:48.880
Oh yeah, all right, I'm sorry.

549
00:29:48.920 --> 00:29:51.359
I'm going to go right to that the rifle issue,

550
00:29:51.359 --> 00:29:54.359
the problem they really had, and it deals exactly with

551
00:29:54.440 --> 00:29:56.480
your question, so thank you. I'm going to get right

552
00:29:56.519 --> 00:29:59.599
to it though, and that is Robert Shaw said. Doctor

553
00:29:59.680 --> 00:30:02.720
Roberts Shore said that there was a twenty seven degree

554
00:30:03.240 --> 00:30:07.200
declination and it was a downward track in and out

555
00:30:07.200 --> 00:30:09.160
bullet that hit Connolly in the back. Remember what the

556
00:30:09.440 --> 00:30:13.319
first shots the first flurry? Right, here's something few people

557
00:30:13.359 --> 00:30:16.839
you have ever mentioned. Guess what the downward track is?

558
00:30:17.279 --> 00:30:20.799
From the rooftop of the County Records building, in the

559
00:30:20.839 --> 00:30:25.799
northeast corner of Houston Street and Elm and that was

560
00:30:26.000 --> 00:30:30.960
directly to the rear of presidential the presidential limo. That

561
00:30:31.079 --> 00:30:36.720
the downward track from the rooftop of the County Records

562
00:30:36.720 --> 00:30:40.400
Building to the point of hitting Connelly and Kennedy in

563
00:30:40.440 --> 00:30:44.039
the back was twenty seven degrees. Now keep in mind

564
00:30:44.200 --> 00:30:49.359
you know this that the downward track from the County

565
00:30:49.440 --> 00:30:53.599
Records Building on high has a direct view of Elm

566
00:30:53.640 --> 00:30:58.359
Street and that limo moving down westerly. So when people say,

567
00:30:58.400 --> 00:31:01.319
what is the evidence of another shooter, that is evidence

568
00:31:01.400 --> 00:31:04.680
of another shooter. And here's why a problem occurred in

569
00:31:04.720 --> 00:31:07.359
the case. And part of the problem that occurred in

570
00:31:07.400 --> 00:31:10.960
the case was that the following had happened. In December

571
00:31:11.000 --> 00:31:13.720
of sixty three, the Secret Service of the FBI found

572
00:31:13.759 --> 00:31:17.880
that Connolly and Kennedy was struck by two separate bullets.

573
00:31:18.079 --> 00:31:21.519
Two separate bullets, both were shot within one point nine

574
00:31:21.559 --> 00:31:25.240
seconds of each other. Well, why is that important? This

575
00:31:25.359 --> 00:31:28.119
wipes out the Van Louko Carcano rifle as the murder

576
00:31:28.160 --> 00:31:31.759
with whys because the man look of Carcano takes two

577
00:31:31.759 --> 00:31:34.680
point three seconds in order to engage in the.

578
00:31:36.160 --> 00:31:37.799
Right exactly repeat that for a moment.

579
00:31:38.119 --> 00:31:42.720
Kennedy and Connolly were struck with separate bullets at a

580
00:31:42.759 --> 00:31:45.759
differential of one point nine seconds in order for that

581
00:31:45.839 --> 00:31:48.359
rifle to fire, or it takes two point three seconds.

582
00:31:48.640 --> 00:31:50.359
So the best that it could say in this case

583
00:31:50.440 --> 00:31:52.519
was they got off the first shot, it could not

584
00:31:52.640 --> 00:31:54.440
have got off the second shot.

585
00:31:54.720 --> 00:31:57.559
Therefore it is no longer the major murder weapon in

586
00:31:57.559 --> 00:31:58.079
this case.

587
00:31:58.559 --> 00:31:59.079
Exactly.

588
00:31:59.359 --> 00:32:01.480
But yet, you know, they showed this demonstration I think

589
00:32:01.559 --> 00:32:07.400
was ABC did this whole demonstration about this nineteen dollars

590
00:32:07.480 --> 00:32:11.000
rifle and how they were able to release those rounds.

591
00:32:11.039 --> 00:32:15.000
You know, accordingly, so it was irrefutable. But here you know,

592
00:32:15.079 --> 00:32:18.960
you're proving, you know, you're saying it was impossible.

593
00:32:19.079 --> 00:32:22.720
Exactly, it's possible because you can't get off the second

594
00:32:22.720 --> 00:32:27.400
shot from the rifle in less than two point three seconds, right, Well,

595
00:32:27.400 --> 00:32:29.960
then who else shot? There had to be another shooter

596
00:32:30.119 --> 00:32:31.559
to the extent that we know there was more than

597
00:32:31.559 --> 00:32:33.359
one shot, and that it.

598
00:32:35.039 --> 00:32:35.279
Took.

599
00:32:36.519 --> 00:32:40.759
The manual bolt action says you can't fire this rifle,

600
00:32:40.759 --> 00:32:44.160
the manical coccano rifle in less than two point three seconds,

601
00:32:44.319 --> 00:32:47.279
But they were hit between one point nine seconds. All

602
00:32:47.319 --> 00:32:49.599
of what you see when they lied they didn't know

603
00:32:49.680 --> 00:32:52.160
any of this. Whatever happen, they didn't know. The zach

604
00:32:52.279 --> 00:32:55.440
Ruder film would show us exactly what was going on here.

605
00:32:55.480 --> 00:32:58.319
Frame three thirteen, we see the president's head step back.

606
00:32:58.680 --> 00:33:01.119
Heads do not step back when they're shot from the

607
00:33:01.160 --> 00:33:03.680
back has moved forward when they're hit. By the way,

608
00:33:03.880 --> 00:33:06.279
an interesting thing I think for your audience to appreciate

609
00:33:06.680 --> 00:33:09.599
what you're doing here, and you're making your major service

610
00:33:09.640 --> 00:33:13.200
as far as I'm concerned, is that scientifically from the

611
00:33:13.279 --> 00:33:17.480
facts here, not opinion. We're demonstrating that the government's case

612
00:33:18.119 --> 00:33:21.720
is totally unbelievable and contrary to what they alleged, they

613
00:33:21.759 --> 00:33:26.559
alleged they had science. The metallurgical PhDs said, there is

614
00:33:26.599 --> 00:33:30.119
no science in this case. That neutron activiation analysis is

615
00:33:31.599 --> 00:33:35.640
a fake, it's invalid, and it's a fabrication.

616
00:33:36.240 --> 00:33:38.160
And as a matter of fact, what we have in the.

617
00:33:38.119 --> 00:33:41.000
Case, which I haven't mentioned yet, is what we call

618
00:33:41.079 --> 00:33:42.920
me minute metallic fragments.

619
00:33:42.920 --> 00:33:43.880
I'll be very quick on this.

620
00:33:44.079 --> 00:33:45.480
If someone who shoot me in the back of the

621
00:33:45.519 --> 00:33:48.200
head right now, there would be no minute metallic fragments

622
00:33:48.240 --> 00:33:51.000
in the front of my skull. So keep in mind

623
00:33:51.279 --> 00:33:54.519
that the minute metallic fragments inside jf case head.

624
00:33:55.039 --> 00:33:57.160
We're at the side of his head, and.

625
00:33:59.200 --> 00:34:04.119
Scientifically, the minute metallic fragments tell us that the direction

626
00:34:04.279 --> 00:34:07.559
of the wound, and you could get you can see

627
00:34:07.599 --> 00:34:10.880
the three skull X rays. It's available in the archives right,

628
00:34:11.119 --> 00:34:14.840
and it shows it shows how this wound goes from

629
00:34:14.880 --> 00:34:18.239
the above his right ear the temple area all the

630
00:34:18.239 --> 00:34:19.400
way to the back of his skull.

631
00:34:19.840 --> 00:34:22.760
But what it also tells us is the point of entry.

632
00:34:23.079 --> 00:34:25.119
I was going to say exactly that was my question.

633
00:34:25.400 --> 00:34:27.679
That's it, the point of entry. Once we know the

634
00:34:27.719 --> 00:34:28.400
point of entry.

635
00:34:28.400 --> 00:34:31.679
He came from the front send the geographically front of

636
00:34:31.760 --> 00:34:35.559
the limo, the limos moving this way. The shots were

637
00:34:35.679 --> 00:34:38.679
here and hit Kennedy in the side of the head

638
00:34:38.679 --> 00:34:41.800
and blew his head back. That's why one thing is

639
00:34:41.920 --> 00:34:46.000
watch the head, not the body of JFK. Because it's

640
00:34:46.000 --> 00:34:50.119
not the body moving JFK's head. It's the head moving

641
00:34:50.199 --> 00:34:53.159
the body. And that's why we know all of these

642
00:34:53.199 --> 00:34:56.599
facts that are irrefutable. This is just my opinion on.

643
00:34:56.519 --> 00:34:57.239
Any of this. Well.

644
00:34:57.599 --> 00:35:01.039
And the thing is, lest we forget, jam was in

645
00:35:01.119 --> 00:35:03.400
a brace exactly.

646
00:35:03.039 --> 00:35:04.599
Oh right, absolutely right.

647
00:35:05.360 --> 00:35:10.119
That gets into the detail that is so magnificent From

648
00:35:10.159 --> 00:35:12.960
an evidentiary point of view, all of this is let

649
00:35:13.000 --> 00:35:14.920
me keep in mind, this is our government telling us

650
00:35:15.000 --> 00:35:16.519
neutron activation analysis.

651
00:35:16.599 --> 00:35:17.719
We know how the science.

652
00:35:17.760 --> 00:35:21.119
They were going around saying, and they were saying, you, you, congressman,

653
00:35:21.360 --> 00:35:24.440
you said it you if you disagree with us, you

654
00:35:24.480 --> 00:35:25.239
believe the Earth is.

655
00:35:25.280 --> 00:35:28.679
Flat, they said these things. This is not made off.

656
00:35:29.079 --> 00:35:31.840
Yeah, well it turns out that guess what, the only

657
00:35:31.920 --> 00:35:34.199
people who believe that the Earth is fly and people

658
00:35:34.199 --> 00:35:36.519
who believe in the one bullet theory. And that's the

659
00:35:36.559 --> 00:35:39.360
bottom line here. It's a big twist around. They weren't

660
00:35:39.400 --> 00:35:41.639
be expected not to happen from our government. But lo

661
00:35:41.760 --> 00:35:43.079
and behold, that's what happened.

662
00:35:43.320 --> 00:35:45.559
You know, you imagine you imagine here, Robert, how many

663
00:35:45.559 --> 00:35:48.599
millions of dollars did the government spend a taxpayer money

664
00:35:48.920 --> 00:35:50.719
to come up with this big lie.

665
00:35:51.000 --> 00:35:53.599
Well, not only is it the money, as you well know,

666
00:35:54.199 --> 00:35:56.440
but I know from you, given the kind of person

667
00:35:56.480 --> 00:35:59.920
you are, it shatters the credibility of our government.

668
00:36:00.239 --> 00:36:00.760
Exactly.

669
00:36:01.159 --> 00:36:03.719
And there's no reason for this to have happened except

670
00:36:03.800 --> 00:36:07.719
that the CIA was running the show, pure and simple.

671
00:36:07.760 --> 00:36:10.960
And complicit with the FBI exactly.

672
00:36:10.920 --> 00:36:13.960
Exactly So there was another piece of evidence that I

673
00:36:14.000 --> 00:36:16.239
was able to uncover which I think we should mention him,

674
00:36:16.599 --> 00:36:19.920
and that was this John mccoone issue. John McComb was

675
00:36:19.920 --> 00:36:23.840
a lawyer and JFK was so livid about what happened

676
00:36:23.840 --> 00:36:26.400
at the Bay of Pigs in the Cuban fiasco in

677
00:36:26.480 --> 00:36:30.360
sixty one that he fired Alan Dolles and he put

678
00:36:30.400 --> 00:36:34.079
in John mccoon and mccoone. Again, I mentioned this is

679
00:36:34.119 --> 00:36:38.639
important for what he did. John mccoone was a major

680
00:36:38.719 --> 00:36:43.519
Kennedy supporter, and he received an inquiry from James Rowley,

681
00:36:43.840 --> 00:36:46.519
who was then Chief of the Secret Service, and Raley

682
00:36:46.559 --> 00:36:49.519
said to him, you know, we're concerned here that there're

683
00:36:49.639 --> 00:36:52.880
being links from our committees, that is the Secret Service

684
00:36:52.960 --> 00:36:55.159
and from the CIA, because mccoone now was headed the

685
00:36:55.199 --> 00:36:59.880
CIA from sixty one, and he wanted.

686
00:36:59.599 --> 00:37:01.280
To know what mccone's feeling was.

687
00:37:01.320 --> 00:37:03.679
Mister Rowley who was Chief of the Secret Service, and

688
00:37:04.559 --> 00:37:07.559
McCone wrote back to him and said the following. In substance,

689
00:37:07.960 --> 00:37:11.440
he said, the leafs about Lee Harvey Oswald are very

690
00:37:11.519 --> 00:37:15.000
very important because he gets involved with his training and

691
00:37:15.079 --> 00:37:19.559
his suspect activity. They were concerned at that point more

692
00:37:19.679 --> 00:37:22.440
with hiding the fact that Oswald was an agent of

693
00:37:22.480 --> 00:37:26.480
the CIA and the FBI since nineteen fifty seven when

694
00:37:26.480 --> 00:37:29.079
he was at at Sudi Air Force Base in.

695
00:37:29.079 --> 00:37:32.559
Japan exactly monitoring the U two flights.

696
00:37:32.719 --> 00:37:35.760
And one of those flights got shot down, as you

697
00:37:35.800 --> 00:37:39.840
may recall, and the government figured there must be a

698
00:37:39.880 --> 00:37:42.679
mole because no one can know, no one can know

699
00:37:42.679 --> 00:37:45.159
how to bring these planes down and or lift them

700
00:37:45.239 --> 00:37:49.960
up except experts, and so they decided that they would

701
00:37:50.159 --> 00:37:54.239
try and make sure that people did not know. And

702
00:37:54.239 --> 00:37:57.000
that's the American people were talking about here, that the

703
00:37:57.000 --> 00:37:59.159
American people would not know that Lee Harvey Oswold was

704
00:37:59.159 --> 00:38:02.559
a contract employer for the CIA and the FBI. So

705
00:38:02.599 --> 00:38:06.559
what he says is, I'm concerned if this information in

706
00:38:06.599 --> 00:38:09.079
any way is disclosed to the wrong person's meeting the

707
00:38:09.119 --> 00:38:15.440
media right that they will claim that that this agency,

708
00:38:15.480 --> 00:38:18.880
the CIA, and perhaps others were directly involved in the

709
00:38:18.920 --> 00:38:22.960
assassination Mason come in. It's a two page letter. At

710
00:38:22.960 --> 00:38:26.719
the top of page two, which is paragraph six. While

711
00:38:26.719 --> 00:38:29.840
the persons involved, he goes on to say, we're in

712
00:38:29.920 --> 00:38:34.320
the employ of the CIA, the persons involved in the assassination.

713
00:38:34.800 --> 00:38:37.119
We're involved and by the way they recfer to the

714
00:38:37.159 --> 00:38:40.079
assassination as the Dallas Action. So let me put that

715
00:38:40.159 --> 00:38:43.880
together again for you. Macoone says in response to rallies,

716
00:38:43.920 --> 00:38:48.159
concerned about people finding out that Oswald was really an expert,

717
00:38:48.519 --> 00:38:52.960
a person who was working for our government, And he said,

718
00:38:52.960 --> 00:38:55.440
I'm concerned that this information in any way is disclosed

719
00:38:55.480 --> 00:38:57.679
to the wrong persons, who would lead the media to

720
00:38:59.039 --> 00:39:02.119
erroneously claim that the CIA and perhaps others would directly

721
00:39:02.119 --> 00:39:06.320
involve in the Dallas Action assassination at president and the

722
00:39:06.679 --> 00:39:09.360
next sentences, you got to sit down for this one, Okay, Well,

723
00:39:09.400 --> 00:39:13.199
the persons involved in the assassination weren't in the employ

724
00:39:13.360 --> 00:39:17.159
of this agency talking about in the United States an

725
00:39:17.159 --> 00:39:20.880
admission later on this happened. Oh my god, please tell

726
00:39:20.920 --> 00:39:24.239
the public that this was a lie. Yeah, and I

727
00:39:24.360 --> 00:39:28.000
had this checked out from afflatu Omega from that what's

728
00:39:28.079 --> 00:39:30.280
in the field when who found it?

729
00:39:30.760 --> 00:39:32.239
Others who were who used it?

730
00:39:32.679 --> 00:39:36.199
And it was all the document was there where were

731
00:39:36.199 --> 00:39:39.400
supposed to be. There was no fake here. The fake

732
00:39:39.480 --> 00:39:42.000
here is the government trying to spin itself out yet.

733
00:39:41.840 --> 00:39:46.480
Again exactly and look at how far the government's come, Robert,

734
00:39:46.880 --> 00:39:49.360
I mean, you know here at least in paper they're

735
00:39:49.400 --> 00:39:53.000
saying they're concerned the media could chase this down. Now

736
00:39:53.079 --> 00:39:58.960
fast forward to the Trump assassin attempted assassination, and it's

737
00:39:58.960 --> 00:40:03.360
interesting the pattern and how you may have people who

738
00:40:03.400 --> 00:40:08.679
were government operatives involved, and how this kind of ends up,

739
00:40:09.079 --> 00:40:13.119
you know, disappearing conveniently. I don't know it just there's

740
00:40:13.159 --> 00:40:16.360
some similarities here for me in my mind as I

741
00:40:16.519 --> 00:40:20.599
follow this, and of course now today whether it's January

742
00:40:20.639 --> 00:40:23.159
sixth or other events that have happened in our country

743
00:40:23.440 --> 00:40:28.920
where you know, the exposure of government operatives FBI and

744
00:40:30.000 --> 00:40:36.119
CIA operatives are operating domestically within our country doing a

745
00:40:36.159 --> 00:40:37.480
lot of bad stuff.

746
00:40:37.840 --> 00:40:41.239
That is why I received I was able to get

747
00:40:41.280 --> 00:40:44.239
a hold of you, leading me right into this point

748
00:40:44.480 --> 00:40:49.599
of President Truman. President Schruman was had a major revelation

749
00:40:50.360 --> 00:40:54.559
that he felt responsible for the CIA, that the Office

750
00:40:54.599 --> 00:40:58.239
of Strategic Services OSS, which was our intellig organization in

751
00:40:58.320 --> 00:41:02.280
World War Two. He was the stress that he permitted OSS,

752
00:41:02.400 --> 00:41:06.519
Office of Stecution Services to morph into the CIA, and

753
00:41:06.119 --> 00:41:09.280
why was he concerned about that? And he wrote a

754
00:41:09.400 --> 00:41:12.280
very damning memo on this thing on December twenty two,

755
00:41:12.760 --> 00:41:16.239
sixty three, twelve twenty two sixty three, and in it

756
00:41:16.280 --> 00:41:19.159
is a very important critique of the CIA, and what

757
00:41:19.199 --> 00:41:23.599
he's saying was it's become operational and it forms policy,

758
00:41:24.039 --> 00:41:27.199
and the people involved in oversight are not doing their job.

759
00:41:27.239 --> 00:41:31.679
They're afraid of retaliation. I'll give you an example, mister Schumer,

760
00:41:32.119 --> 00:41:35.199
this great senator from Brooklyn, not when I was that,

761
00:41:35.199 --> 00:41:38.039
That's all I can tell you. He went after Trump

762
00:41:38.079 --> 00:41:41.280
and Trump's first term when you recall, I'm sure Trump

763
00:41:41.360 --> 00:41:44.039
was dealing with the executive intelligence agencies that they've gone

764
00:41:44.079 --> 00:41:47.519
a far afield here. So what did Schumer say? And

765
00:41:47.559 --> 00:41:49.239
by the way, he was in charge of oversight in

766
00:41:49.239 --> 00:41:52.440
the United States senator at the time, because that was

767
00:41:52.480 --> 00:41:56.400
the majority party at the time, the Democrats. Schumer says,

768
00:41:56.480 --> 00:41:59.760
as the major overseer, I thought, you know, we thought

769
00:41:59.800 --> 00:42:02.760
that that Trump was so smart. This was during his

770
00:42:02.800 --> 00:42:06.440
first term. He's now taking on the executive intelligence agencies.

771
00:42:06.800 --> 00:42:07.480
Doesn't he know.

772
00:42:07.480 --> 00:42:11.360
There is ten seven, eight, nine, ten ways till Sunday

773
00:42:11.800 --> 00:42:13.159
that they'll come back at you.

774
00:42:13.119 --> 00:42:13.719
And get you.

775
00:42:14.239 --> 00:42:18.559
Yes, that was that was crazily telling. You're exactly right.

776
00:42:18.679 --> 00:42:21.119
I remember when he said that, and I'm going, whoa,

777
00:42:21.159 --> 00:42:24.639
that that's quite you know because everyone, because even crazy

778
00:42:24.760 --> 00:42:27.440
Jerry Nadler, right, he goes, there's no such thing as

779
00:42:27.440 --> 00:42:28.119
the deep state.

780
00:42:28.559 --> 00:42:31.960
Absolutely absolutely, So all of the things that we're talking

781
00:42:31.960 --> 00:42:36.559
about here render what they've done, you know, in a

782
00:42:36.679 --> 00:42:39.440
very shad fed I'll give you another example of this.

783
00:42:39.880 --> 00:42:42.239
We've got about five minutes left, so I'm going to

784
00:42:42.360 --> 00:42:45.480
let you kind of do a summation here, Robert, Okay,

785
00:42:45.480 --> 00:42:47.320
We're gonna put you a little bit and the.

786
00:42:47.719 --> 00:42:51.000
You know, there's a lot of viewers here well.

787
00:42:51.239 --> 00:42:54.119
A part of any insulation here. You're the first person

788
00:42:54.159 --> 00:42:56.840
I have to commend for giving me the opportunity and

789
00:42:56.920 --> 00:42:59.800
others to tell what the facts are. That's all we

790
00:43:00.079 --> 00:43:02.880
talk about the truth. It's not an opinion. The facts

791
00:43:02.920 --> 00:43:05.199
here are overwhelming. And I'll give you an example of

792
00:43:05.199 --> 00:43:08.760
what I mean. I always kept time. It's been loose

793
00:43:08.760 --> 00:43:12.599
Stokes every night. I told him where we were. So

794
00:43:12.679 --> 00:43:15.519
everything I'm telling you i've I told him. This is

795
00:43:15.559 --> 00:43:18.599
not something that Sprague and I kept to ourselves. We

796
00:43:18.599 --> 00:43:22.039
weren't here again trying to make history, if you will.

797
00:43:22.119 --> 00:43:24.960
To the contrary, we were appalled with the facts that

798
00:43:25.039 --> 00:43:28.480
were there, So why didn't others do this? So I

799
00:43:28.519 --> 00:43:31.360
said to Lou lose Stokes, very good man, and we

800
00:43:31.440 --> 00:43:37.320
became lifelong friends. And I said, Lou, I need a subpoena.

801
00:43:37.360 --> 00:43:41.559
Two subpoenas. One, I have information that the CIA.

802
00:43:41.599 --> 00:43:47.760
In fact has has memos talking about its participation in

803
00:43:47.800 --> 00:43:51.559
this assassination, and the other memo and the other. The

804
00:43:51.679 --> 00:43:56.639
other subpoena I need is that I'm trying to determine

805
00:43:56.679 --> 00:43:59.679
whether this was an action taken by the CIA.

806
00:43:59.840 --> 00:44:02.039
Or it was a rogue.

807
00:44:01.800 --> 00:44:05.440
Action by some one or two or more people decided

808
00:44:05.519 --> 00:44:08.039
to take us into their own hands. He said, Bob,

809
00:44:08.039 --> 00:44:10.119
the Committee's not going to help you. I said, why

810
00:44:10.119 --> 00:44:11.679
do you hire us? I told you not to hire

811
00:44:11.719 --> 00:44:15.840
me and Dick if it comes down to any issue.

812
00:44:15.960 --> 00:44:18.360
We're not going to compromise on search for truth here.

813
00:44:18.639 --> 00:44:23.119
And you can't win the Congress in Article one in

814
00:44:23.159 --> 00:44:26.360
any way without compromise. You can't have everybody as a

815
00:44:26.519 --> 00:44:30.440
chief executive here in the Article two. So he said, Bob,

816
00:44:31.480 --> 00:44:34.480
the committee never thought you would find out much less

817
00:44:34.480 --> 00:44:37.400
how quickly you did about this sortied mess we have.

818
00:44:38.320 --> 00:44:42.679
I said, Lou, you know everything I know because I've

819
00:44:42.719 --> 00:44:46.519
told you this. Why what am I missing? He said,

820
00:44:46.559 --> 00:44:50.039
they're afraid of retaliation. So here I am again. I

821
00:44:50.400 --> 00:44:52.320
went through this. You know, we went through this with

822
00:44:52.800 --> 00:44:56.079
new Shorn activation analysis. We went through this with a

823
00:44:56.119 --> 00:44:58.880
single bullet theory. And here he is, at the end

824
00:44:58.960 --> 00:45:04.039
of this mess telling me that people are afraid that

825
00:45:04.079 --> 00:45:07.679
they can be somehow unfriendly. Let's put it in a

826
00:45:07.840 --> 00:45:12.960
very quiet light, a gym light, that somehow or rather

827
00:45:13.000 --> 00:45:16.079
the CIA can harm them in some fashion, is.

828
00:45:16.039 --> 00:45:16.960
What he was telling me.

829
00:45:17.519 --> 00:45:21.760
Robert, hundreds of people have died who have investigated the

830
00:45:21.840 --> 00:45:25.199
jfk assassination. Donald Trump, you and I talked about this

831
00:45:25.280 --> 00:45:28.599
last time. He was getting ready to release everything right,

832
00:45:28.679 --> 00:45:31.480
and all of a sudden he stops. Why does he stop?

833
00:45:31.920 --> 00:45:32.400
He said.

834
00:45:32.559 --> 00:45:35.559
The reason he stopped he said to good people that

835
00:45:36.039 --> 00:45:38.559
if you saw what I saw in these records, he said,

836
00:45:38.960 --> 00:45:40.679
you would not have released them either.

837
00:45:41.079 --> 00:45:43.840
But that's exactly what we need to see, exactly.

838
00:45:44.000 --> 00:45:46.400
So tired of listening to people who don't trust the

839
00:45:46.440 --> 00:45:51.719
American public that you represent the American public, representing the

840
00:45:51.840 --> 00:45:54.320
very people you're saying to the American public, we don't

841
00:45:54.320 --> 00:45:59.480
trust you. It's just too heavy handed. That's nonsense and stokes.

842
00:45:59.519 --> 00:46:00.960
As I said, a good man, and as a matter

843
00:46:01.000 --> 00:46:03.679
of fact, I wanted to mention that we started off

844
00:46:03.719 --> 00:46:07.559
with this in essays was a Stone movie. It created

845
00:46:07.599 --> 00:46:11.800
the JFK Records Act of nineteen ninety two. I think

846
00:46:12.760 --> 00:46:15.159
the movie was in ninety one and run in that area,

847
00:46:15.639 --> 00:46:18.360
and it created the Assassination.

848
00:46:17.800 --> 00:46:19.800
Record Review Board of ninety three.

849
00:46:20.320 --> 00:46:25.400
I was asked by the District court judge from Minneapolis,

850
00:46:25.639 --> 00:46:29.599
very fine young man and federal judge, and he asked

851
00:46:29.599 --> 00:46:32.480
me if I, after talking to him, would appear before

852
00:46:32.519 --> 00:46:36.199
the committee and give my testimony. I said absolutely. The

853
00:46:36.280 --> 00:46:39.480
reason I mentioned this is I in ninety three and

854
00:46:39.519 --> 00:46:43.079
this is on the record. You can get these this transcript.

855
00:46:43.280 --> 00:46:47.320
I said in ninety three that every document should be

856
00:46:47.360 --> 00:46:52.719
given over exactly. There was no absolute reason for anyone

857
00:46:52.800 --> 00:46:55.239
to suggest that the American public can't handle all of

858
00:46:55.239 --> 00:46:59.079
this information. They're the best people to handle all this information.

859
00:47:00.280 --> 00:47:00.519
Out.

860
00:47:00.880 --> 00:47:04.800
So yeah, in summation, I would say, we need desperately

861
00:47:05.280 --> 00:47:08.000
to cut this nonsense out about who is who can

862
00:47:08.519 --> 00:47:12.039
who can we trust with information? Right when it's the

863
00:47:12.119 --> 00:47:16.400
government's responsibility in cases like this to tell the truth.

864
00:47:16.719 --> 00:47:18.599
And that's what we went to Washington to do.

865
00:47:19.199 --> 00:47:21.000
We found out that we didn't let us do it,

866
00:47:21.039 --> 00:47:24.159
and Sprague and I left and like the March of

867
00:47:25.119 --> 00:47:29.519
seventy seven, and we never regretted that because I never

868
00:47:29.639 --> 00:47:32.519
dreamed that they would wind up doing what they did,

869
00:47:33.000 --> 00:47:35.800
and that was they made major lies to the American public.

870
00:47:36.079 --> 00:47:39.079
Well, Robert Tannebaum, you're you're a true patriot, and I

871
00:47:39.119 --> 00:47:41.280
appreciate all the great work. Thank you so much for

872
00:47:41.360 --> 00:47:45.480
coming on and bringing the evidence you know to our audience.

873
00:47:46.280 --> 00:47:49.400
They can continue to do their research. The book That

874
00:47:49.519 --> 00:47:53.159
Day in Dallas Lee Rvey Haswall did not Kill JFK.

875
00:47:53.920 --> 00:47:57.239
And read and do your own research. This is, after all,

876
00:47:57.360 --> 00:47:59.800
is the government of for by we the people, which

877
00:47:59.840 --> 00:48:02.159
means means that in order to have the consent of

878
00:48:02.199 --> 00:48:07.880
the govern the government must be educated. They must be intellectualized.

879
00:48:07.880 --> 00:48:10.880
This is why our first Amendment is so key. Robert, again,

880
00:48:10.920 --> 00:48:14.000
thank you so much. God speed, my friend. I appreciate you.

881
00:48:14.360 --> 00:48:16.880
God bless you. Thank you so much. You got it.

882
00:48:17.559 --> 00:48:21.639
Robert Tennenbaum. His book That Day in Dallas Lee, Harvey

883
00:48:21.639 --> 00:48:26.159
Oswell did Not Kill JFK is best described as prosecution

884
00:48:26.800 --> 00:48:31.599
by mister Tennenbaum of those corrupt, unscrupulous government and unelected

885
00:48:31.639 --> 00:48:37.920
agency officials who from inception with predetermined outcomes deceitfully engaged

886
00:48:38.079 --> 00:48:43.320
in insecure bony pretense probes regarding the assassination in daily plaza,

887
00:48:43.559 --> 00:48:48.400
those responsible should be prosecuted, while those who speak truth

888
00:48:48.440 --> 00:48:53.360
to power should be exonerated. In nineteen seventy six, as

889
00:48:53.480 --> 00:48:56.960
Robert pointed out and explained, he was appointed Deputy Chief

890
00:48:57.000 --> 00:49:00.920
Counsel in charge of the Congressional Investigation into the assassination

891
00:49:01.400 --> 00:49:06.480
of President JFK. And it would appear that he has

892
00:49:06.559 --> 00:49:10.559
not finished with his job yet because the truth fully

893
00:49:10.599 --> 00:49:13.400
has not gotten out. Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for

894
00:49:13.480 --> 00:49:16.360
sharing a part of your day, and hopefully this motivates

895
00:49:16.400 --> 00:49:19.760
you to do further research and find out for yourself.

896
00:49:19.800 --> 00:49:23.360
As we say, own your own knowledge. I thank you

897
00:49:23.440 --> 00:49:26.159
for being with us. May God bless you, may keep you,

898
00:49:26.239 --> 00:49:29.159
may make His face shine upon you and give you peace.

899
00:49:29.440 --> 00:49:36.599
God bless