Voter Fraud Claims Debunked: Data Expert Hired by Trump Campaign Unveils Irrefutable Evidence

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The controversy continues, no doubt twenty twenty

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election. You've got numbers that look
like still what eighty percent over eighty percent

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of Republicans believe that there were shenanigans
in the twenty twenty election. Their lack

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of confidence about what happened in twenty
twenty still looms independence now sixty one percent

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according to some surveys, even Democrats. Now a majority of Democrats are saying

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they's just something about what happened in
the elections that leave us in a quandary.

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Our next guest has taken on to
prove something that with all his experience,

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and I mean this, I mean
he has such a breath of experience

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in tackling this topic. It is
something that we only could only hope that

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our government would have done. And
in this particular case, it was Donald

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Trump who hired Ken Block to look
into the twenty twenty election to find out,

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you know, what the heck happened. His book subsequently has been the

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result of what you might say,
you know, maybe three years of research

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plus a lifetime of experience. It's
repped into this book called My End Biased

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Search for Voter Fraud for the Trump
campaign, the data that shows why he

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lost and how we can improve our
elections. Ken Block, welcome the show.

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Good to have you with us,
Bill, thank you for having me

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on. I've been so looking forward
to this because we've had a lot I

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mean in our search, I mean
where we come from here, Ken,

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We're pursuing the truth. We want
people to understand what's going on. Unfortunately,

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today's journalism outlets and that sadly seem
to be biased and prejudiced, and

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there's few and few outlets available that
are open to take these topics on at

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the risk of in some cases,
social media canceling. I've been put in

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social media jail a couple of times
because I believe I have a you know,

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I just have a mandate from our
audience, is Bill, find us

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the truth, check it out,
you know, And so I appreciate you

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coming on the show to help us
get to, you know, the bottom

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of all this, because, as
I mentioned, these numbers, when you've

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got these huge numbers of Americans,
the voter, the electorate saying hey,

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I don't know what to believe about
this election. That's a sad commentary where

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we are in this democratic republic,
don't you think one hundred percent? Uh,

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the number of people who believe that
somehow the elections were rigged is extraordinary.

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I was asked by the Trump campaign
simply to look for fraud sufficient to

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change the results of one of the
swing state elections, and they also asked

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me to evaluate claims of voter fraud
as they rolled into the campaign just for

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the month after the election in twenty
twenty. Ken, how do you do

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that, because I mean, on
one hand, you've got a former attorney

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general under Barack Obama who said that
voter fraud doesn't exist. So you got

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that, you know, that perception
on one side and then the other side.

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Let's just say, for lack of
another name, Sydney Powell, that

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you know, we got cracking all
over the place. So you know,

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this is the extremes of the perception, and so this is not something you

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know that I think that you can
just you know, say, okay,

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I'm going to go in and if
I can prove these three or four things,

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then maybe I can get to the
bottom of this. Is the way

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I look at it. But of
course that's in my own neophied way.

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You're the expert. You know the
numbers, and you know how to do

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this. I mean, you've been
doing this for a long time. So

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help us understand how you approach this
to where what you're sharing with us right

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now we can say, okay,
maybe we can start to get you know,

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some peace and understanding as to what
happened in twenty twenty. Sure.

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So in my background, very quickly, I've been looking a voter data,

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not just in my home state of
Rhode Island, but across the country for

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a decade. I was one of
the first people to really start looking in

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twenty fourteen at people who voted twice. I found people who lived in very

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fancy homes in Newport, Rhode Island, who were voting in Rhode Island,

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and also from their very fancy home
addresses in Palm Beach, Florida, for

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example. So that's sort of how
I started getting into it. Over the

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decade that went by, we became
experts at identifying deceased voters, understanding very

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clearly how different states put their voter
data together. I was asked to present

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to former President Trump's Election Integrity Commission
in twenty seventeen. I went up to

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Manchester, New Hampshire and helped,
and I discussed the results of research that

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I did for the Government Accountability Institute
where I discovered roughly eight to nine thousand

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duplicate vote that were cast by voters
across twenty four different states, and that

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included twenty two hundred duplicate votes that
were cast in Florida. And as I

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developed, as my company developed this
expertise, we began to get we were

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asked to participate in doing the data
analytics for lawsuits, and that's a really

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different animal than just doing it as
a hobby. You have to when you

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find results that are going to be
behind a lawsuit. Your results are going

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to be attacked by the opposing side
experts, and you'd better have your act

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together or else they'll destroy you and
then you have nothing. So not only

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let me interject this real quick,
So as early as twenty seventeen, the

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Trump campaign gets a hold of you
to look into voter fraud. The actually

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of his vice President, Pence's chief
of staff, who reached out to me

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because he was in charge of the
Presidential Voter Integrity Commission at the time I

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went down. I spent the day
in the Vice President's office with his staff

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and other members of the commission,
and subsequently was asked to present in Manchester

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some of the work that we have
done in the past. Yeah, so

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I am no stranger to it.
And most importantly, as we work our

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way into this conversation, my data
has survived legal scrutiny. I have helped

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people and organizations sue secretaries of state
because they weren't properly maintaining voter data.

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I have helped states fend off lawsuits
against them where the lawsuit was centered on

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data and I was able to do
the analytics and have my analytics survive the

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scrutiny of the opposing sides experts.
So you know, I am very good

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at We're very good at what we
do. And when the Trump campaign reached

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out to me, it was originally
a simple ask of me. They wanted

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me in my company to determine if
voter fraud impacted any of the six swing

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states in twenty twenty, and they
wanted me to look specifically for deceased voters.

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And they asked me to look for
duplicate votes that were cast by somebody

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in the swing state and also in
any other state in the country. Basically

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and walk real quick. Ken Blocke
is with us in his book Disproven.

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Ken is an expert in voter data. And there's so much you know to

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your career. You've run for office. I think you've run for governor twice

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there in Rhode Island, right,
I did. Well, good for you.

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Well, well, you know you've
activated your citizenship and you are fervent

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about maintaining this democratic republic. So
you know, God bless you and your

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team, you know, for looking
out for America, because I mean,

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there's just something I don't know inherently
culturally upsetting about where we are right now.

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You know, here we are.
You and I are talking days after

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the President of the United States,
former President Donald Trump, has been indicted

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on thirty four counts felony account counts, which is unprecedented and unheard of,

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and you know, part of me
is thinking that, you know, what

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could happen here? I mean,
are there going to be other states that

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are going to follow the lead of
this nuclear bomb that was led off in

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New York kind of like a Harry
Reid nuclear bomb that he let off in

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the Senate if you remember regarding the
filibuster, and it was that nuclear weapon

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that he unleashed that you know that
gave us three conservative judges in the Supreme

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Court, right yep, Ndred.
It's you know, we the time that

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we live in right now is so
extraordinarily hyperpartisan. I worry about it from

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the viewpoint of we are a single
country that's largely divided along political lines right

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now, and we have to figure
out how to jump over that divide to

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get things done. You know,
I ran for governor because I wanted to

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get things done in my corrupt,
broken little state of Rhode Island. That's

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been run by Democrats for close to
ninety years, and we have pension deficits

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that are extraordinary. I can go
on and on about the problems that Rhode

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Island has. You know, I'm
a guy who rolls up the sleeves and

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wants to get in there and fix
it. And I don't know how we

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ever overcome where we're at right now
with the political divide, but for sure,

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sharing my experience in what I was
asked to do for the Trump campaign,

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what we found and what we determined
is a very very important piece of

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information. And just so everybody understands, the reason I'm talking about it at

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all is because my communications with the
Trump campaign campaign were subpoenaed by Jack Smith's

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grand jury a year ago in DC. My communications were subpoenaed by Ruby Freeman's

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legal team, who was the black
election worker in Atlanta, Georgia who Rudy

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Giuliani defamed. And I've also been
subpoenaed by Fannie Willis's legal action in Fulton,

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Fulton County, Georgia. So I've
become, not through any desire on

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my part to be one a professional
recipient of subpoenas I don't like it.

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But now that all of my materials
are in all three of those different parties

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hands, I realized I'd better tell
the story on the straight, up and

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up, and not let somebody else
do it for me. Well exactly,

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Well, you know you're getting hit
with sami. This gets to be expensive.

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I mean, did you have a
legal war chest in order to fend

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off all this stuff? Oh?
I didn't fend it off when you received

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it off? That was the wrong
word. I'm you know, to answer.

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You've got to answer these subpoena and
you have to answer. And I

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have a long, long time personal
in corporate attorney, and I had to

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pay him to make sure that we
did everything precisely the right way, and

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we buttoned everything up because you can
get yourself into some deep water quickly if

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you don't, if you don't respond
carefully, and we responded very carefully and

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transparently, because there isn't any other
option when you get from a scibpoeno like

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these. Well, especially as you
say right now, I mean the partisanship

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in our country is so filled with
rancor is that? Boy? If you

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can be you know, attacked in
any way, if there's a chink in

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your armor. If there's any avoidance
of the truth at any level, boy,

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they're going to find it and exploit
it and invalidate you in a heartbeat.

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Right yeah. I mean, as
I got into politics in twenty ten,

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I was complaining then about what partisanship
looked like and how bad it was.

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But that was a piece of cake
comparedently what you've got now, right,

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I mean, you know, it's
it's extraordinarily bad. I wish I

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really desperately wish it wasn't because at
the end of the day, we're all

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Americans, exactly, and at some
point we may be all called to come

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together quickly to solve a problem,
and we got to be able to do

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so. Well, is it going
to take another nine to eleven some national

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catastrophe or or is there you know, some leader that's going to be able

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to kind of you know, grab
the the moral consciousness, so to speak,

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of the country and you know,
kind of shake, you know,

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shake the sense into us in such
a way because you know, you know,

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we've been on this journey for you
know, a couple of decades,

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and it seems to be getting worse, not necessarily getting better, it's definitely

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getting worse. I I look back
to when Tip O'Neil, who was a

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Democratic speaker in Congress, was well
known for taking folks from across the isle

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Republicans out having drinks at the bar, you know. I mean that's we

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need to get back to that.
We need to get back to a situation

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where instead of taking shots at each
other means literally, you know, verbal

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attack and that kind of thing,
the shots we should be taking with each

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other, to be at a bar
and enjoying ourselves a little bit. Well,

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I'm for that without a doubt.
It would definitely be more palpable,

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you know, for the citizens of
this country, because we're the ones at

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the end of the day, Kim
Block, we're the ones that are paying

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for it, are we not?
One hundred percent? It's going to require

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leadership on both sides of the aisle
to pull it together and to move us

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from where we are right now.
And am holding my breath waiting for the

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right set of leaders to come along
and make that happen. Well, you

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and me both, I think sometimes
what happens is you just have to,

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you know, get the fight out
of you. It's almost like somebody drowning,

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you know. I grew up on
the West Coast and the beaches and

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lifeguards were very early that when somebody
was out there drowning, you didn't go

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in and save them right away.
Of course, it freaks those of us

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who have compassion out because we're going, hello, guy drowning, women drowning,

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and they, oh, yeah,
we see it's okay. And what

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do you mean it's okay they're drowning. Well, they knew from experience in

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training that they had to get the
fight out of themselves. And once they

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got the fight out of themselves,
then they could be you know, much

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easier to contain and saved. Otherwise
they went in and tried to save them

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right away, you know, then
both of them became at risk, right,

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makes sense? Yeah, so maybe
that's the way we are right now

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politically speaking. Yes, it's tough. And you know for those of us

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who observed this and we see what's
going on and see that it's no benefit

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to anybody. I mean, we're
thirty five trillion dollars in debt, our

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borders are wide open, national security
is compromise, cost of living is through

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the roof. You know, how
is that serving we the people can luck?

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Yeah? Well, you know,
I crazily. I live in one

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of the highest tax states in the
country, and you know, so I

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fully understand and I push back hard
against the not only the inefficiencies of my

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government here in Rhode Island, but
the non professionalism of so many who serve

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in Rhode Island in government. You
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I think it's a problem across the
board. And uh again, I

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don't really have an answer at the
federal level on what the right thing to

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do is. But uh, you
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do. I'm a I'm a very
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what we need to do is we
need to make sure that we're not jeopardizing

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the livelihoods and the financial security of
our grandchildren. Right now it's at risk

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because of what we're doing with the
deficit and that sort of thing, and

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we should be doing far better than
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local is what feeds into the national
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I've seen this time and time again. Uh. Local Uh, you

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know can make the changes much quicker
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But I mean, we have serious
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you've witnessed, you know, on
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you know, And but that doesn't
doesn't take away from the foundation of

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this great country. We've got a
great country. You and I have been

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so blessed to be raised in this
country, and we want our kids and

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our grandkids to have that same opportunity. Right, Yeah, I'm right with

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it. Well, we're talking with
Ken Block. His book disproven my unbiased

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search, and and he means that
with all sincerity, and I believe him

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to be true. I mean,
it is an UnBias search. You know,

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something that we needed for voter fraud
for the Trump campaign, the data

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that show why Trump lost and how
we can improve our elections. So can

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break it down for us. What
did you discover as you were first hired,

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you know, by Mike Trump's Advisory
committee to look into voter fraud.

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You're talking about what I did in
twenty seventeen or what I did in twenty

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twenty, twenty twenty. I'm sorry. I referenced twenty seventeen, so I

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understood. I'm sorry for the confusion. No subsequent when Trump's team said,

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hey, help us. Understand,
you're the expert. What went on?

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Yeah, So it ended up being
two different things I did for them.

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My contract asked me to look for
evidence of dead voters and duplicate voters sufficient

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to have changed an election result in
any swing state, and my findings had

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to survive legal scrutiny. Was a
fair Was that a fair question? Ken?

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Was that a fair question to pose
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it's very difficult. It's very difficult
to look at voter rolls and determine

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who's dead and who's not. And
it's even harder to determine if two people

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with the same name and the same
date of birth voting in two different states

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is the same person or a different
person. It's very very hard. We

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know how to do it. It's
not cheap, and it had never This

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is really important. I'm not aware
of any presidential campaign ever auditing essentially the

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results of a national election. That's
what the Trump campaign asked my company to

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do, and we had all of
thirty five days to do it. Because

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what a lot of people don't understand
is that the legal window to contest an

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election result starts on election night and
it ends the day each state certifies its

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election results, and most states have
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first week of December. So that
with that deadline, how much of a

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problem is that, Well, it's
a substantial challenge. And to really do

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the analysis the justice that it deserves, you can't start working on it the

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day after the election, like I
was asked to do. You really need

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to have an operation that's done all
kinds of work months ahead of the head

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of election day so that you have
a big head of esteem grow going.

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You know exactly all the data you're
going to be looking at, and you

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can save weeks of effort by doing
a lot of work in advance. We

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didn't have that luxury that I didn't
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the election, and so we basically
jumped in hard and it was an insane

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thirty five days. It hada been
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chain of custody issues right off the
bat, don't you. So we took

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all of the voter data directly from
the Republican National Committee's data They called it.

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A data lake is a big computer
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and all of the files that we
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governments. So from a chain of
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the data that we had was what
it needed to be. I've looked at

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most states data in the past.
The data looked the same for all the

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different data that we looked at from
the six states of interest that we looked,

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and it probably warrants saying the names
Georgia, Arizona, Nevada, Wisconsin,

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Michigan, Pennsylvania, states right exactly, yep, the swing states.

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So you know, the chain of
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there's there's so there were so many
challenges in just getting into it and

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getting going and then on top of
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do our own digging for fraud.
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the lawyer I reported to. His
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We talked first thing in the morning
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like six am, five point thirty
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phone call from Alex, my first
of what turned out to be many and

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he said, hey, I've got
a claim in Pennsylvania where they have a

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spreadsheet of one hundred names. They
claim we're dead voters. Can you tell

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me what's going on with that?
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what he was asking me to do, just so everybody is clear, he

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was asking me to perform due diligence
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to do was take this claim to
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he was asking me to do his
due diligence, vet the file and tell

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him if it was a good result
or a bad result. And he brought

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me fifteen twenty claims over the course
of those thirty days, most of them

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on an emergency basis, drop everything
you're doing and look at this. We

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have to file a lawsuit tomorrow if
it's true. And I was able to

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look at them and unfortunately tell him
time after time after time after time,

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Nope, this one is wrong.
Here's why this one is wrong. Here's

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why this one is wrong. And
the way our interactions went, the early

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requests were tell me whether this one
is right or wrong. By the end

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of the whole thing, he was
just saying, tell me why this one

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is wrong. Because everybody were making
mistakes. A lot of people were well

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intentioned, a lot of people.
But by the way, I wanted to

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be the person to find massive fraud
if it existed, right, I mean,

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you know, if we have a
big time problem with our elections,

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I wanted to be the guy to
to unearth it. It simply wasn't there

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in terms of findings that would have
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And this is the whole key to
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as a nation about our elections.
Only conversations that are worth having about voter

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fraud are the provable claims that will
stand up in court because any other claim

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doesn't matter. It can't ever impact
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So that's the long and the short
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of the swing states certified their results, my job was over. There was

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no role for me at that point
because there was no hope of being successful

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in court. Well of all the
things that were questioned, you know,

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you run into the mathematical calculus that
says one hundred votes, Well you lost

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by twelve thousand, so what you
know? And you know, so now

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you're kind of like Don Quixote chasing
windmills because unless you can get the mother

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load and demonstrate that there were,
you know, hundreds of thousands of votes

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that are involved here. I mean, you've got I think there were like

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something like I thought there was a
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one thousand sworn affidavits from pole watchers
saying, hey, there's a problem here

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in River City. I don't understand. I'll swear to it that the whole

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truth, nothing but that this is
what I observed. And that number since

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has risen to seven thousand. So
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here. But I can see,
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you're talking one hundred votes, dig, go up, it doesn't matter.

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Well, you're right. So this
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victory was ninety thousand votes. But
I looked at them and it turned out

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that the person who had done the
analysis made a bunch of mistakes. Almost

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all of the votes that were identified
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it was legal. The vote was
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and then unfortunately died before the election. Almost all of the one hundred votes

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were either legally valid vote because the
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died before election day, or in
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you can have two people with the
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that's another classic mistake that I saw
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we found one out of one hundred
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birth and the receipt by the board, by the Board of Elections of that

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mail ballot overlap by only like a
day, so you know, it could

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have been fraud. It could have
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There was no smoking gun with that
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more votes. I got one claim
like that. This one is by far

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my favorite claim to talk about before
we do. Let me do this because

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I got to remind everybody, you
know, we're talking to the world famous

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block. He's becoming world famous now. A race car driver by as we

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say so, he's an expert in
voter data, a technology entrepreneur, two

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time candidate for governor, advocate for
good government, and founder of the Centrist

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political Party. Author of the book
Disprove and my unbiased search for voter fraud

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and the Trump campaign the data that
shows why he lost and how we can

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improve our elections. All right,
so let's pick out the story. Talk

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about your favorite one hundred thousand vote
story. Yeah, it was actually seven

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hundred and forty thousand votes. WHOA
ok. Yeah. In early December,

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Alex called me and said, check
your email, I got I got one.

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You have to tell me why it's
wrong. There were some folks in

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Wisconsin who had done their own analysis
and determined that seven hundred and forty thousand

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Wisconsin voters had voted twice. They
couldn't make the numbers add up of what

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they had done with what the Secretary
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of votes cast. They came up
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Assumed it must be because of duplicate
votes. They wanted the Department of Justice

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to come in. They took their
findings to a friend of theirs who played

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golf, who brought it to the
manager of a Trump golf course, who

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brought it to Eric Trump, who
brought it to the Oval Office, who

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gave it to Alex Cannon, who
gave it to me and said, you

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need to tell me why it's wrong. And quickly I understood almost immediately the

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mistake that they had made. They
didn't they the file of data they were

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looking at only had mail ballots in
it and didn't have in person votes cast

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votes by people who went on election
data vote and the number of votes that

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they were off by was basically the
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in Wisconsin. And you know,
I was able to that was probably the

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easiest one that I had to disprove. And then that was it, you

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know, but it was People get
really excited when it comes to trying to

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provide the proof to back up the
claim that voter fraud surrounds us everywhere.

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You know, I am probably the
only person in this country who predicted mail

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ballot fraud before it happened in the
well Jimmy Carter, excuse me, back

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in the eighties, nineteen and what
was in nineteen eighty nine, He and

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who was the senator, the two
man commission that they led, said mail

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in balloting was going to be a
nightmare. It was a way for voter

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fraud. Yeah. Well, it
turns out I was doing a court case

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in September October November of twenty twenty
in Pennsylvania, and as I was looking

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at the voter rolls and we were
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rolls, and I had discovered about
twenty one thousand of them. One of

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them in particular caught my eye because
this woman had registered to vote in September

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of twenty twenty. She had died
in twenty thirteen. And I looked at

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that and I said, the timing
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this, you watch, this will
become a fraudulent deceased vote. That prediction

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found its way into the court record
in the court case, and it turns

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out that on the day it went
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been cast in that dead woman's name
by her I believe it was her widowed

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husband, and he subsided that the
vote ridiculously counted in that election. Even

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though election workers were aware this had
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they didn't do anything about it.
It was a vote that was counted after

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the election. The guy's name was
Presto. He was arrested charge and he

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pled guilty to committing voter fraud.
So you know there are anybody who says

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there's no such thing a voter fraud
has is wrong and has been wrong for

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as long as we've had computerized records
that research. Yeah, even before then,

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Ken, I was looking back,
and I mean going back to seventeen

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hundred, there was indication of voter
fraud taking away when there's something about the

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human condition, you know, it
just somehow we haven't bred in us that

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it's acceptable to cheat, even in
golf. But that's a whole other story,

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you know, you know, just
to talk to that point, people

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will cheat if they believe they can
get away with it. If it's a

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low risk crime, they're much more
likely to do it than if it's a

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high risk crime. Right, and
voter fraud used to be a low risk

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crime. It was very difficult to
do the kind of analysis. It still

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remains difficult doing the kind of stuff
I'm talking about, but people are doing

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it now. We have done it, and states, even though I understand

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the reasons for your listeners who are
aware of those who aren't, there's this

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thing called Eric capital Eric and without
getting in, deep, deep, deep

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into the mess, that that thing
is what they're trying to do is very

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important. The different states who are
members pool their data together, trying to

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identify people who are registered to vote
in different states, because since each state

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manages its own voter data, it's
very hard without something like ERIC in the

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middle to determine if somebody has multiple
voter registrations and multiple states. ERIC was

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became very political all the way.
It was political from the day it got

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started. There needs to be something
else to replace it. Frankly, I

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think that the Election Assistance Commission,
which is a federal nonpartisan organization, should

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do that function so there's no partisanship
to it. There's nothing to it other

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than helping states get their data clean. It's hard to have integrity in our

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elections when the data that sits underneath
those elections is dirty. Exact, man,

414
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we have dirty data. Now,
dirty data doesn't mean fraud is happening

415
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everywhere. Okay, Voter fraud is
a five year prison term felony on top

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of a ten thousand dollars fine.
It used to be you could do it.

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No one was even aware that you
were doing it. Who cares?

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Now there's lots of people watching,
and I believe that's driven down the number

419
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of people willing to risk committing a
felony moving forward. But let's talk.

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Your listeners will love this. So
in New Jersey, and I got to

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say before I say this, it's
not evidence of voter fraud. It's sloppy

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data, but not voter fraud.
There are twenty five thousand registered voters in

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New Jersey with a year of birth
of eighteen hundred. Eight thousand of them

424
00:34:13.480 --> 00:34:19.400
voted in twenty twenty. Okay,
but it's not fraud. That's election workers

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not cleaning up the fact that those
voters registration records didn't have a date of

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birth. If eight thousand people are
voting with a year of eighteen hundred,

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you can get their year of birth
from them, right, You can get

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it by who gave them that birthday. So that's what the default in their

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computer system is if it doesn't pose
right. So, same problem in New

430
00:34:45.920 --> 00:34:49.760
York. In fact, New York
has some of the worst data that I've

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ever seen ever. Right, So
there are lots of things that we should

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be doing to clean up the data, but that also doesn't stop a small

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amount of vote or fraud from happening. Right, wrapping up my engagement with

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00:35:02.840 --> 00:35:07.960
the Trump campaign. Every claim they
brought to me, I was able to

435
00:35:07.000 --> 00:35:14.800
show them why it was false,
including claims brought by college professors PhDs using

436
00:35:15.000 --> 00:35:22.000
really complicated mathematical theories to prove that
voter fraud was everywhere in Pennsylvania for example,

437
00:35:22.360 --> 00:35:24.280
Right, exactly, I had twenty
four hours to prove them wrong,

438
00:35:24.320 --> 00:35:28.920
and I did, and it doesn't. It wasn't. And it wasn't so

439
00:35:29.039 --> 00:35:30.280
much that you were trying to prove
them wrong. You were just trying to

440
00:35:30.480 --> 00:35:34.280
just do the analysis, right.
I mean, I want people to understand.

441
00:35:34.320 --> 00:35:37.199
It wasn't like you were sitting there
like you you had skin in the

442
00:35:37.239 --> 00:35:42.320
game one way or another. I
mean you you went and approached this from,

443
00:35:43.400 --> 00:35:45.119
you know, an objective viewpoint.
I you know, I sense,

444
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right. So what I was doing
was the due diligence that the lawyers that

445
00:35:52.320 --> 00:35:57.199
I reported to asked me to do. They didn't want to walk a claim

446
00:35:57.440 --> 00:36:02.159
into court that was false, exactly. So, my Joe, you know

447
00:36:02.199 --> 00:36:07.239
what happened to some attorneys that did
that, correct, It didn't fare well

448
00:36:07.280 --> 00:36:10.079
for them. They're terribly So.
My job, when I was asked to

449
00:36:10.119 --> 00:36:15.880
evaluate all these claims of voter fraud
was to protect the lawyers who were going

450
00:36:15.960 --> 00:36:21.480
to bring the claim into court,
because the only thing there's nothing worse than

451
00:36:21.559 --> 00:36:27.000
filing a lawsuit that has at its
foundation false data and the other side's experts

452
00:36:27.039 --> 00:36:30.719
pointed out and blow you out of
the water. It's humiliating, exactly.

453
00:36:30.880 --> 00:36:35.800
My job was to prevent the humiliation. And like I said, it doesn't

454
00:36:35.840 --> 00:36:40.360
give me great glee to say it, but the cold truth is that none

455
00:36:40.400 --> 00:36:45.559
of the claims that was given to
me to evaluate pass muster. None of

456
00:36:45.559 --> 00:36:47.920
them would have survived their day in
court. Right. Well, I do

457
00:36:49.000 --> 00:36:51.400
want to clear up something I said
nineteen eighty nine. It was actually two

458
00:36:51.400 --> 00:36:55.960
thousand and five and it was James
Baker and President Carter that did the investigation

459
00:36:57.199 --> 00:37:01.000
into mail end voting and their conclusion
was that that mail in voting was ripe

460
00:37:01.119 --> 00:37:07.039
with potential fraud. So here it
is, so everything that you did mathematically,

461
00:37:07.079 --> 00:37:12.840
that your company analyzed, and you
know the bottom line was you could

462
00:37:12.840 --> 00:37:19.239
not see and discern and conclude any
wholesale voter fraud. However, Ken,

463
00:37:19.280 --> 00:37:22.360
after everything is all said and done, why is it? And I don't

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believe it's just because Donald Trump.
I mean, the mainstream media want to

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00:37:25.239 --> 00:37:30.360
say, well, because Donald Trump
keeps beating the drum of you know,

466
00:37:30.480 --> 00:37:34.400
voter fraud. I mean Stacy Abrams
beat that drum forever. You know,

467
00:37:34.440 --> 00:37:37.400
she lost by eighty thousand votes,
and I think she still beats that drum,

468
00:37:37.840 --> 00:37:43.679
but nobody believes her. But for
Donald Trump. You know, these

469
00:37:43.800 --> 00:37:46.519
numbers, like I mentioned when we
first started talking, you got over eighty

470
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percent of Republicans not having their faith
in the twenty twenty election, sixty one

471
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independent, sixty one percent, over
fifty percent now of Democrats. So we've

472
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got a disconnect between I mean,
you know, perception and reality. You

473
00:38:04.159 --> 00:38:07.679
know, I would say that.
You know, my wife and I were

474
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traveling across country. We went through
twelve states in October leading into the election.

475
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And you know, I've been a
marketing guy all my life, and

476
00:38:17.480 --> 00:38:22.480
I have a sense for momentum.
And you know, I saw this happen

477
00:38:22.519 --> 00:38:25.800
with Barack Obama, for example.
You know his campaign. You said,

478
00:38:25.800 --> 00:38:30.079
Wow, this guy's got such you
know, such wind at his back,

479
00:38:30.159 --> 00:38:34.920
and he's just you know, he's
got a lot of momentum in his campaign.

480
00:38:35.480 --> 00:38:37.519
And this is the same thing that
I witnessed with Donald Trump. You

481
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know, going into the twenty twenty
election. I went through twelve states and

482
00:38:42.960 --> 00:38:47.800
I saw Trump signs, Trump Penn
signs everywhere I went, and I counted,

483
00:38:49.280 --> 00:38:51.559
just out of curiosity, I said, I got to make a note

484
00:38:52.199 --> 00:38:55.960
and guess how many signs for Biden
Harris? I saw through twelve states?

485
00:38:55.960 --> 00:39:00.400
And we're not just going through you
know, through states. I mean we're

486
00:39:00.679 --> 00:39:07.159
we're going through you know, mostly
blue states, including Los Angeles. And

487
00:39:07.320 --> 00:39:12.440
asked me how many how many signs
for Biden Harris that I saw going through

488
00:39:12.440 --> 00:39:17.039
twelve states? Right? I saw
three? I believe, Yeah, I

489
00:39:17.079 --> 00:39:22.760
saw three. So so the perception
of momentum and all that's going on,

490
00:39:22.199 --> 00:39:28.119
and then you have the president,
even with the count, getting ten million

491
00:39:28.159 --> 00:39:30.960
more votes than he got previously,
which is unheard of. I've never heard

492
00:39:30.960 --> 00:39:35.920
of president getting ten million, the
incumbent president getting ten million more votes,

493
00:39:35.960 --> 00:39:42.440
but losing by a record number from
a politician, you know, by comparison,

494
00:39:42.480 --> 00:39:45.960
Barack Obama didn't even get those numbers, you know. So this so

495
00:39:46.000 --> 00:39:53.480
there's a there's a very there's a
very interesting document on the website politico dot

496
00:39:53.519 --> 00:40:00.519
com. And Trump's polster is a
guy named Tony for Ezio, and I

497
00:40:00.559 --> 00:40:06.320
know Tony. Tony did my polling
in twenty fourteen last time I talked to

498
00:40:06.400 --> 00:40:12.679
him. As twenty sixteen or so, he was asked by the Trump campaign

499
00:40:12.920 --> 00:40:15.760
to do exit polling in all the
swing states in twenty twenty. And what

500
00:40:15.840 --> 00:40:22.400
an as a pole is is they
have workers standing outside the polling places interviewing

501
00:40:22.440 --> 00:40:27.079
people as they leave the polling place. We will vote for why did you

502
00:40:27.159 --> 00:40:34.719
vote that way? Blah blah blah, and Farrazio in an internal campaign document

503
00:40:34.760 --> 00:40:38.360
that was leaked came up with the
following findings. So this comes directly from

504
00:40:38.360 --> 00:40:43.079
Trump's pollster. It's not my data, it's no one else's data. It's

505
00:40:43.519 --> 00:40:47.000
very expensive data that came right from
the guy he won. Out of six

506
00:40:47.440 --> 00:40:52.960
voters that they interviewed, out of
thirty thousand voters that they interviewed across the

507
00:40:52.960 --> 00:40:58.840
swing states, one out of six
were first time voters who came out to

508
00:40:58.920 --> 00:41:02.960
vote against isident Trump. And the
reason they did so to me is bonkers.

509
00:41:04.559 --> 00:41:08.400
They did so, they said because
of COVID. Okay, that's I

510
00:41:08.400 --> 00:41:12.599
mean, that's a big number,
big percentage of the votes. They all

511
00:41:12.599 --> 00:41:15.519
had the same, more or less
same explanation for it. So they were

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00:41:15.519 --> 00:41:20.280
blaming blaming Trump for COVID. I
think they didn't like the way the he

513
00:41:20.400 --> 00:41:22.280
handled COVID. I don't know the
particulars of it. And like I said,

514
00:41:22.320 --> 00:41:27.599
I think it's a little crazy,
but voters sometimes vote for crazy reasons

515
00:41:27.639 --> 00:41:30.119
anyway, right, you know,
having run for office, it's so depressing

516
00:41:30.280 --> 00:41:37.519
sometimes for what motivates people to vote. Not only when you run for office.

517
00:41:37.639 --> 00:41:40.360
Not only do you need an attorney
an upholster, you need a therapist

518
00:41:40.840 --> 00:41:44.840
afterwards you do. It took me
out. It took me a long time

519
00:41:44.880 --> 00:41:47.519
to recover from both runs. And
that's in a small state. Another one

520
00:41:47.519 --> 00:41:52.559
out of six voters were and I'm
going to use Trump's term for them,

521
00:41:52.599 --> 00:42:00.280
were Rhinos who were lifelong Republicans.
They told the exit polls, but they

522
00:42:00.320 --> 00:42:05.440
voted against Trump in twenty twenty.
They Trump lost them. In fact,

523
00:42:05.519 --> 00:42:07.159
Trump told him to take a hike
in so many words. Right, you

524
00:42:07.199 --> 00:42:13.880
know, we know that President Trump
has no love for Rhinos. So you

525
00:42:13.920 --> 00:42:20.719
know that's a third of the people
they interviewed brand new voters and loss of

526
00:42:20.760 --> 00:42:27.559
Republican support. And in Fabrizio's dialogue
about those findings, he talked about the

527
00:42:27.639 --> 00:42:34.360
loss of Republican support as a crucially
important element that contributed to the actual loss

528
00:42:34.400 --> 00:42:40.519
that they experienced in the swing states. So now what And I understand that

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00:42:40.800 --> 00:42:45.599
the way I think and the way
former President Trump thinks could be very,

530
00:42:45.719 --> 00:42:49.920
very different. But if I was
in his shoes, I would try to

531
00:42:49.960 --> 00:42:53.599
figure out how to bring those voters
back. Because his own polster told him

532
00:42:54.039 --> 00:42:59.960
they had such a negative impact on
the results in twenty twenty. That hasn't

533
00:43:00.079 --> 00:43:02.920
happen yet. I watch pretty watch
and listen pretty carefully, and I think

534
00:43:02.960 --> 00:43:08.239
that's a problem that the campaign has
that they have to resolve before election day

535
00:43:08.280 --> 00:43:14.599
now. Fortunately for the Republicans,
Biden has his own loss of democratic support

536
00:43:14.679 --> 00:43:20.719
right now, and young progressives who
I guess they believe they're going to penalize

537
00:43:20.760 --> 00:43:25.800
Biden for the Israel Gaza problem by
not voting for Biden and therefore in effect

538
00:43:27.159 --> 00:43:30.599
casting a vote for Trump. You
know. So it's we there's a lot

539
00:43:30.599 --> 00:43:35.599
of unknowns as as we roll into
the election. And what I would just

540
00:43:35.960 --> 00:43:42.840
ask everybody to do is take a
breath. If there was that there truly

541
00:43:42.960 --> 00:43:47.440
was monumental fraud, it would be
dealt with, it would surface, we

542
00:43:47.480 --> 00:43:51.039
would all come to an agreement.
It's a problem and by the way,

543
00:43:52.119 --> 00:43:58.639
things like ballot harvesting should be made
illegal across the country, no doubt about

544
00:43:58.679 --> 00:44:02.920
it. Why how can al presidential
elections hinge on a bunch of people running

545
00:44:02.920 --> 00:44:07.320
around collecting ballots. That's wrong all
the way, right, right, Jerry

546
00:44:07.360 --> 00:44:13.280
Man is wrong. Right. When
we start new democracies around the world,

547
00:44:13.599 --> 00:44:16.280
I guarantee you we don't take the
practice of jerrymandering and tell them you ought

548
00:44:16.320 --> 00:44:20.400
to do this because it's good for
democracy. Right. It's not good for

549
00:44:20.440 --> 00:44:22.719
democracy. So there are there are. When I put my good government hat

550
00:44:22.800 --> 00:44:27.039
on, it's there's like a dozen
things that I could talk that we could

551
00:44:27.079 --> 00:44:31.000
talk about for changes that we should
make that would make our elections stronger,

552
00:44:31.159 --> 00:44:37.320
fairer and a level playing fielding getting
rid of jerrymandering, getting rid of ballot

553
00:44:37.320 --> 00:44:43.480
harvesting, putting a formal government database
together to help all the states clean up

554
00:44:43.480 --> 00:44:45.519
their data. Right. I can
go on and on and on about it.

555
00:44:46.239 --> 00:44:50.239
I know the most important part of
the book. Yeah, I know

556
00:44:50.280 --> 00:44:53.079
that one of the things you talked
about was shortening up the number of days.

557
00:44:53.679 --> 00:44:59.000
I believe there should just be a
national day for voting. You know,

558
00:44:59.039 --> 00:45:00.480
everybody takes the day off it's a
federal day off. It's one of

559
00:45:00.480 --> 00:45:05.639
those federal holidays that I would agree
with. You know. You know,

560
00:45:05.679 --> 00:45:07.719
we've got so many of our federal
employees, they had so many holidays not

561
00:45:07.719 --> 00:45:12.880
even funny, but this one I
wouldn't have a big problem in adding is

562
00:45:12.920 --> 00:45:15.199
that you take the day off,
you have a day off, you go

563
00:45:15.239 --> 00:45:17.920
ahead and vote, and then afterwards
you come together as Americans and we celebrate

564
00:45:17.920 --> 00:45:21.119
and said, hey, we did
our deal. I don't care about you

565
00:45:21.239 --> 00:45:24.039
voting for Republican or Democrats, just
hey, look at we all got skin

566
00:45:24.119 --> 00:45:30.760
in the game. We participated,
we exercised our civic responsibility, and let's

567
00:45:30.760 --> 00:45:35.000
see who the next president is.
And you know what I find quite interesting,

568
00:45:35.079 --> 00:45:40.800
ken is that in primaries we're able
to get this information by midnight in

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all these different states. But when
it comes to a federal election, all

570
00:45:45.599 --> 00:45:47.239
of a sudden, it gets so
complicated, and you know, we need

571
00:45:47.599 --> 00:45:51.960
days and weeks to you know,
add the numbers. What's going on.

572
00:45:52.920 --> 00:45:58.440
Right, So we're in the most
complicated element of election law talking about mail

573
00:45:58.440 --> 00:46:02.519
ballots. One of the big problems
I think we have in our elections is

574
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the fact that the states can to
a large extent conduct the elections however they

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want. And what that means in
practical terms is for the swing states in

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00:46:14.880 --> 00:46:19.679
twenty twenty four, the shortest mail
ballot window is twenty seven days. The

577
00:46:19.800 --> 00:46:24.239
longest one is sixty days, right, And I look at that and as

578
00:46:24.280 --> 00:46:29.239
a computer guy, I want them
to all be the same number of days.

579
00:46:29.320 --> 00:46:35.519
Right. We talked early on about
dead voters, allegedly dead voters in

580
00:46:35.519 --> 00:46:38.840
Pennsylvania and how many of them cast
their votes early and then died before election

581
00:46:38.960 --> 00:46:43.960
day. Well, it turns out
that in a third of the states the

582
00:46:44.000 --> 00:46:47.159
state allows those sorts of votes.
In a third of the states the state

583
00:46:47.400 --> 00:46:52.400
disallows those sort of votes. And
in fact, in Michigan in twenty twenty

584
00:46:52.880 --> 00:46:58.639
they disallowed three five hundred votes where
the voter voted early and then died before

585
00:46:58.679 --> 00:47:01.559
election day. That's not a small
number of votes votes. And in the

586
00:47:01.559 --> 00:47:05.880
out of the third of the states, there's no law about this circumstance at

587
00:47:05.880 --> 00:47:09.960
all, even though it has to
happen. So that's a mess, right.

588
00:47:10.039 --> 00:47:15.199
How can we have a different outcome
for these voters depending on where they

589
00:47:15.239 --> 00:47:17.599
live. It should be the same
experience for all of them. We should

590
00:47:17.599 --> 00:47:23.119
either make them all count or make
them all not count for me, because

591
00:47:23.159 --> 00:47:28.440
it's so hard to determine that a
voter is deceased or not. I say

592
00:47:28.480 --> 00:47:35.360
that we should let them count because
determining that they can't count is crazily,

593
00:47:35.440 --> 00:47:38.400
crazily hard, especially if they pass
away just a few days before the election.

594
00:47:38.679 --> 00:47:42.960
Oh yeah, I mean so,
Actually, I think here we go,

595
00:47:43.000 --> 00:47:46.519
here's the first chance for a compromise. Right nationwide, make those votes

596
00:47:46.559 --> 00:47:51.440
count. But as part of the
compromise, make sure that the mail ballot

597
00:47:51.440 --> 00:47:57.800
window is only two weeks in length
or less. Right and studying do something.

598
00:47:58.400 --> 00:48:00.360
You're a technology guy, what do
you make I mean, there was

599
00:48:00.400 --> 00:48:05.760
so much controversy over these voting machines. You know, I thought maybe,

600
00:48:05.800 --> 00:48:08.119
as a grand experiment, maybe we
have a couple of you know, a

601
00:48:08.119 --> 00:48:13.519
couple of states, do a dual
process. We do the voting machines and

602
00:48:13.519 --> 00:48:17.559
then we do a ballot, and
that way we could you know, have

603
00:48:17.679 --> 00:48:22.000
something in which to gauge to say
that, you know, these machines are

604
00:48:22.039 --> 00:48:29.079
really you know, they're viable.
You know. I think the problem I

605
00:48:29.079 --> 00:48:31.119
had was when you know, they
went to the hill. I'm talking about

606
00:48:31.119 --> 00:48:37.480
dominion specifically, and they were asked
whether or not there was Internet connectivity,

607
00:48:37.000 --> 00:48:43.440
and the CEO said absolutely not,
and then they find a modem in the

608
00:48:43.920 --> 00:48:50.280
machines. So you know, again
this is the stuff that gives people doubts

609
00:48:50.280 --> 00:48:53.199
and you know about this whole process. So I'm going to let you address

610
00:48:53.280 --> 00:48:58.559
that, summarize everything, and wrap
things up because we've got about two minutes

611
00:48:58.639 --> 00:49:00.320
left, so I'm going to give
you the floor. Okay, sure,

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So, repeating what I said previously, when it comes to voter fraud,

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people can often get mixed up between
fraud and integrity issues that have dirty data

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and other things behind them, but
they're bad, but they're not evidence of

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fraud. Fraud is something that you
can verify and quantify. And unless you

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can do that with some of the
claims that people are talking about, you're

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really not talking about fraud. You
know, As somebody who's run for office,

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as somebody who was paid, frankly
a great deal of money to look

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at the twenty twenty election and to
help the Trump campaign. If it was

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able to be done, we weren't
able to do it. It was a

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straight up assessment. That's what the
lawyers wanted. The lawyer I reported to

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accepted my evidence is true. Mark
Meadows, Trump's chief of staff at the

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time, accepted that as truth when
Alex Canon told him the voter fraud that

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you know everyone wants us to find
simply isn't there exactly? Well, Ken

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Block, thank you so much for
being with us. He's the author of

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disproving my unbiased search for voter fraud
for the Trump campaign, the data that

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shows why he lost and how we
can improve our elections. That's you know

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again, and I can't overemphasize enough. And you mentioned a Ken that your

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insight and your suggestions and how to
improve our elections is a critical part of

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this book and a must read.
So again, thank you so much for

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being with us. Appreciate it.
Thanks, I really appreciate it. Thanks

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Bill Well. It was the day
after the twenty twenty presidential election. A

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lawyer for former US President Donald Trump's
campaign called Ken Block, a registered Republican

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and former good manatorial candidate for Rhode
Island, and asked if he is firm

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Simpatico Software Systems would look for voter
fraud. Block knew somebody was going to

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do it, and he knew he
could do it on thoroughly and impartially so.

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He took on the job and it's
all right here in this book disproven.

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Thank you, Ken Block, and
thank you for sharing a part of

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your day with us. May God
bless you and keep you, May make

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His face shine upon you, and
may he give you peace. Thanks again

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for being with us. God bless