Dec. 24, 2025

The Bill Martinez Show 12 24 25

The Bill Martinez Show 12 24 25
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The Bill Martinez Show 12 24 25
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Are you ready?

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Yeah, Okay, let's do it.

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Ill Martinas Live a program about current events, our culture,

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our values, our politics, and our future.

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And now Bill Martinez.

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Hey, good morning America. Six minutes after you talk the R.

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Right now, doctor Michael Butler is with us. Hey Michael,

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Merry Christmas, Happy New Year to you.

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And the same to you, bro. Thanks for having me.

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Hey, lots to catch up on. Donald Trump is doing

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something that I got to tell you. For many years

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when I was a consultant, I had worked with almost

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exclusively CEOs of companies, and one of the things that

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I reminded them of is that they always have to

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consistently pound the drum of the mission of the organization.

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And you know, and someone would say, why do I

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have to do that? Because I get kind of bored.

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I go, you may get bored, but your employees don't.

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And in Donald Trump's case, you're talking three hundred and

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thirty million, three hundred and forty million people. They need

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to instantly hear the refrain of his agenda, what he

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has accomplished, what is yet to be accomplished. So he's

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got to constantly be casting that vision, not only because

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people have a tendency to forget number one. But on

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the other hand, you've got the mainstream media that still

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has control of about forty percent of the ears and

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eyes of America, you know, with their bias perspective, really

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deceiving and misleading the American people on the economy. Is

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that fair to assess?

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Yes, it is, And it's especially difficult now because the

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government was shut down for those six weeks and there

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was no data that came out about economic growth and

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what's happening to inflation and even the jobs market. See

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economic growth numbers are the ones that are most interesting.

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In the third quarter, we should have had that number

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out finished in September. We should have had the number

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out knocked, but the government was shut down. We still

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don't have the number yet, but it looks like the

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third quarter had about three and a half percent annual

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growth rate, up from the three percent in the first quarter,

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which is good in the second.

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Quarter, rather which is good the fourth quarter.

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We won't get that data at the earliest till the

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end of January, but the fourth quarter would have shown

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about a four percent annual growth rate.

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Now the government's shut down, I'm not sure what the

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impact that that's going to be.

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It will be negative on the growth rate, but the

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economy is growing. Although the inflation rate we don't have

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all the numbers for the consumer price index. Some of

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the numbers that we do have show that inflation stays

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under three percent, may have benged up slightly in the

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last couple of months. So wage increases are greater than

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the rate of inflation, which means really people are earning

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more money and more money to spend, and that will

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i prove the standard of living.

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So Trump's right.

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I think he's gone around the country this week to

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kind of teut how his economic programs have worked so far,

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and to remind people that the builder was passed in July.

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The tax cuts on pips working overtime, sold security, et cetera.

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They don't go into effect till January. First, they were

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exactly twenty twenty six, so we'll see a benefit there.

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And then from all of this money, Trump has been

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able to get foreign companies to invest in the US.

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And it's some number well into the trillions.

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Well, it's like, what seventeen nineteen trillion I've heard as much.

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As that's it's some of the numbers I've heard once.

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That happened, I mean that that's unprecedented. Michael, right.

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Yeah, that's a huge amount of money. And once it happens.

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Now it's going to take a year or so for

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all of that to be fully invested, but that'll create

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more jobs, will create more growth for the economy, and

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again should help to improve the standard of living. I

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also believe that the inflation rate will be down to

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the two percent range by the end of next year.

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Now, most people.

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Don't agree with me, understand that the reason I'm saying

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it is energy prices have fallen. Oil is under sixty

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dollars a barrel fluction.

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I paid two point fifty nine in Florida two days ago. Michael, Yeah, I.

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Paid two eighty six the other day, and I was

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very happy. The national average is now under three dollars.

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Once energy prices come down, that has a large impact

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on the consumer price index. Energy prices directly effect about

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seven percent of the consumer price index, but indirectly it

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affects over another twenty percent because it affects the cost

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of energy to produce goods and services. So Trump is correct.

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He says, if you can get energy prices down, inflation

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will come down. And that's true, and I believe that

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will happen next year. I think oil will be down

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under fifty five dollars of barrow, perhaps as low as

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fifty dollars. That'll take the national average for gasoline down

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under two dollars and fifty cents a gallon. And once

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that starts to happen and people say that they're not

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spending so much on a lot of products, energy included,

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they're going to start to feel better about the come Exactly.

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The problem now is people just don't feel good about

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it because.

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We got we had to get through this stuff. You

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and I talked about it before, Michael, the last time

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we were on, and that is that the economy has been

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stifled because we're trying to get all this sludge and

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drudge out of the pipeline that was all put there

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with Democratic policies and Joe Biden. The thing is, I

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think it's interesting to hear you lay this out. What

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is somebody like Gavin Newsom to do when everybody else

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is you know, they hear figures of under three dollars

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and in California they're paying five dollars for a gallon

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of gas. I mean, you gotta think California is going

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to start revolting there.

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You would certainly think so.

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Remember when Newsom entered office, there was a large surplus

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and the government budget and a surplus fund.

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It's now a.

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Deficit in the budget and they've spent all of that surplus.

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So the policies that he puts into effect didn't work

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in California.

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And I hope he doesn't get a life in the US.

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Because the policy certainly won't work well in.

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The How could he really seriously be considered. I mean,

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like you said, I think he's over sixty billion upside

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down right now in the state. You got the LA fire.

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Still that's still a mess. I mean, even when Donald

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Trump went down there Karen Bass, everybody's, oh, yeah, we're gonna,

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you know, get the regulation out of the way, We're

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going to allow people to build their homes. It is

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a hot mess. And it's so unfortunate that that state,

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and then that's not even talking about the homelessness issue,

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the drug addiction issue, all these things, immigration that the

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state really is a failed state.

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Michael, Yeah, it certainly is.

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You know, when Trump went down and talked to Mayor Bass,

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he said, I want these permits issued as soon as possible,

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and she made a comment, well, we should be able

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to get them within a year, and Trump said, no,

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I want them issued as soon as possible.

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Like next week. Yeah.

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So here it is nearly a year later after the fire.

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There's a total of one house that has been built

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so far. It's actually a sample for a developer wanting

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to build more houses. But that's the only house that's

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been built. And it's almost a year now, and these

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people can't get their homes rebuilt. The permitting process anywhere

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is difficult. In California, it's next to impossible. They have

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all these environmental right relations, certain materials you can and

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can't use. You have to have solar panels, even if

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you don't want them.

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So all of these.

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Regulations slow down the building of these new homes and

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significantly adds to the cost. And we have not just

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in California, all over the country. We have an affordability

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crisis with.

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Housing.

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Young people can't afford their first house and that's not

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a good thing.

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Well, look at all the tax base that is eroded

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as a result because they don't have homes on that property,

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right exactly. I mean, you got that the impact that

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has all the way down the supply chain, you know,

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retail operations, everything in that area economically. I mean, Michael,

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they're not even embarrassed by this. This is what blows

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me away.

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Now, this whole thing could have been avoided.

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You know that some of the water was diverted when

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for environmental reasons it shouldn't have been diverted. To have

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fire hydrants not half water is inexcusable.

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Well that's that's like Hawaii all over again. Anyway, we

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got to go to quick break. We've got more from

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doctor Michael Butler. After this stay with.

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the economists and policy analyst Michael uh Just to kind

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of wrap things up from this first segment here as

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Trump goes across the country and and really is going

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to cast again the vision that he casts to get

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re elected, and that is that, hey, things are the thing?

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I think so encouraging. It should be for people if

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they have ears to hear, and if they haven't been

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so dumbfounded by the negative reporting from the mainstream media.

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Excuse me Trump, you know, he talks about affordability, but

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he can back it up as opposed to Mom, Donnie

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and these other Democrats. To them, affordability is just a word.

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There's no substance. But with Trump, as you mentioned, man,

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the big beautiful bills just around the corner. You can

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still see things lighting up. The revenue from tariffs. He wants,

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you know, he wants to send a two million dollar

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check to stemy check to everybody because of all the

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money that we raised from tariffs. So there's a lot

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of you know, gold in them nar hills that are

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not just necessarily buried. I think they're just around the

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corner for And you.

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Know, one thing, when the government shutdown was ended, they

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always signed roughly a seventy five day bill to get

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us to the end of January. And at that time

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they said we'll be able to negotiate something because of

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the rising healthcare cost. Now, what happened with the healthcare

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This Affordable Care Act passed and twenty ten was supposed

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to bring premiums down, improve the quality of healthcare, and

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increase the number of people being covered. It hasn't done

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anything premiums.

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It's functionally a myth exactly. You know, it was never

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designed to do what they said that was going to do.

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And here all these years later, what fifteen years later,

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there's clear proof that it is a big was a

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big lie. It was a shell game, and we've got

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to you know, Congress has got to move quick because unfortunately,

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thank you very much, and this was the Democrats. No

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Republican voted for this, remember, okay, but the fact of

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the matter is this is a bipartisan problem right now,

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and people need to be serious about resolving this stuff

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because of what they did to the people. Just like

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in the same way when you know, the Democrats said, hey,

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we're there, we're watching your back, and they shut down

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the government for forty three days. And what did they do.

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It wasn't like they were writing checks are going down,

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chasing money to help pay people for snap money or

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any other deficiency was going on. The only person was

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doing that was Donald Trump exactly.

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And the Democrats say, well, well, look, by January thirtieth,

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we have to pass legislation that will fund the increased

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cost of Obamacare to the people that are signed up

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on the exchanges. Now that's going to cost about one

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hundred and fifty billion a year. We measured these things

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over ten year period. That's a trillion and a half dollars.

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And whenever they spend money like this, although Trump is

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changing this somewhat, whenever they spend money, there's no mention

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of where the money.

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They don't say, so we end up having to borrow it,

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and that's why we have a thirty eight trillion dollar debt.

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Now Trump is trying to change some of that. So

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he wants to give people a two thousand dollars rebate

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because tariffs may have helped with the place, etc. But

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he's getting it from the tariff revenue, so that's where

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the money is coming from.

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Then he said, I want to start.

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These accounts where you give a thousand dollars to every

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child born that they keep until they're eighteen you can

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add to which I think is a great idea. But

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how are you going to fund it? Michael Dell just

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kicked in six point three billion dollars to pay for this.

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So when Trump says I'm going to increase spending, he

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finds ways to show how the spending will be financed,

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where the money will come from.

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We have to start really.

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Doing that with everything. Every time we decide we're going

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to spend money. You have a good cause and people

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want to I understand all that, but then you just

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have to say, where's the money coming from? Right If

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you don't have an answer, it means we're borrowing it,

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and we can't do that anymore exactly. Talked on this

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show numerous times about the thirty eight trillion dollar debt,

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the nearly two trillion dollar annual deficit. Although the President

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is bringing that down, drop down the one point eight

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billion in twenty five. Roughly, it looks like it will

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come down to maybe one point four trillion in this year.

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So he's trying to bring the deficit down, or we

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need to do that as soon as possible. This public

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debt is too heavy a burden for this generation. More importantly,

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it's way too heavy a burden for our children and

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our grandchildren. We need to address it really immediately.

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Michael, you touched on something earlier, and I wanted to

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address because I thought you hit on something that we

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need to consider, and that is that, no doubt, the

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job's landscape is changing all right now. When this came

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up under Joe Biden, he came up with some kind

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of goofy story about, oh, you just go out there

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and go find a job, you know kind I mean,

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it was like, you know, good luck, you're on your own,

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so to speak. In anticipation, in understanding that the market

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is going to change and there's going to be new demand,

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that we ought to take some of that tariff money

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and invest it in re educating the labor force so

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that we get in front of all this AI industrial

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this new industrialized revolution that's going to take place, so

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that way we can hit the ground running.

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What do you think, Bill, that's exactly right, all this

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manufacturing that's coming back from foreign investments, at what American.

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Companies are bringing back.

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In order for us to compete on a worldwide basis,

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we have to keep the cost down. Now, we can't

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compete with some of the countries in Asia where they

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pay are people a dollar an hour because I make

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thirty forty dollars an hour.

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So the only way.

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To compete is to have our production capital intensive rather

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than labor intensive. Capital intensive means we have robots on

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the assembly line, we use artificial intelligence, we automate wherever

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we can, and that will enable us to produce at

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roughly the same cost, we hope as the foreign competition

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that has a real low labor rate. However, for people

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to be able to take these new jobs, you're absolutely right,

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they need to be retrained. Education is really the key

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to really bring people out of poverty and any of

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the disruptions in the labor market due to artificial intelligence.

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And there will be many artificial intelligence will take the

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jobs that are more routine to do. And we've lived

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through things like this before, you know, in the earlies

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and eighties and nineties, we said, well, the personal computers

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coming out, what's going to do? What about all these

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secretary pools that having corporations. When I worked in corporations now,

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back in the seventies and eighties, if I had to

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write something, I wrote it out, took it to the

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secretary pool, they typed it up for me and brought

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it back.

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People don't do that anymore.

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Everybody writes their own memos and their own emails right

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on their own computer. There are no secretary pools any anymore.

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So things have changed, re educate the people that were

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working there. They now become administrative assistance. So rather than

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just typing, they help all the business people, all the

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people they work or become more productive.

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But that takes in their hour and their hourly wage increased. MIC.

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That's the other thing people need to understand that is

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it is not going to be stagnant. I mean the

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kind of jobs that are around the corner are six

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figure jobs, and so you have to think in terms

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of that. So your technical skill level has to be

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increased so that you can you know, you can earn

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six figures because those jobs are going to be available.

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But if you're but if you know you're going to

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be a knucklehead and not get educated and not get trained,

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then you're gonna sit there and you're going to be

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you know, you're gonna be stuck in a minimum you know,

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minimum job type of environment.

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That's right.

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You know, people have to take personal responsibility.

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Amen.

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So you say that, look, I can see that my

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job is going to be faded out. I'm not going

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to say to the government, all have the job, you know,

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give me welfare, give me food. Said what they should say,

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is I need to learn how to do something else

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so I can take advantage of this new economy and

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the way things are are being done. Personal responsibility and

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the visual responsibility is very important. The prior administration tried

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to shift away from individual responsibility and towards social responsibility.

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Don't worry, the government will take care of you. The

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government will provide the health care of the government take

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care of that. That's a disastrous way to go, and

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it's contrary to where our system works.

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It's anti American, Michael. It turns you into socialist and

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you're beholding to the government. And so as we know

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what the government giveth it can take it away. Right.

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Yeah, absolutely, so people have to learn. Look, our system

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encourages individual freedom, so you're free to do pretty much

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what you want. As long as you don' own friendship

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any anybody else's rights, you can pretty much do what

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you want. Well, with that individual freedom comes individual responsibility,

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So you have to take responsibility for yourself. As long

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as you're mentally and physically able to do that, you

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should take responsibility for yourself. See where it is, the

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where the opportunities lie. Prepare yourself to take advantage of

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those opportunities, and you'll do well in the economy, and

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the economy will fare better because there's less people. We

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have to we have to support it.

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You'll be happier and more fulfilled, and that's what we

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want for you. Doctor Michael Butler, public policy analysts, it

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CAN expert, and a professor of finance at Stockton University

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in New Jersey. Michael is always great to have you

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with us. I have a great holiday.

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I thank you you all right, take care, we're going again.

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Nutrition for Patriots, Hey, we're back with you.

520
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Bill Martinez here. Good to have you with us, and

521
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we've got the author Michael Finch his brand new book,

522
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A Time to Stand the Dire Hour to Defend American Beauty. Michael,

523
00:28:23.319 --> 00:28:24.839
Welcome to show good to have you with us.

524
00:28:25.200 --> 00:28:27.759
Well, Bill, thank you. I'm very grateful for you having

525
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me on and I'm very thankful. So I'm looking forward

526
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to it. Thank you.

527
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I'm excited to talk about your book, I mean, because hey,

528
00:28:34.400 --> 00:28:39.599
we're talking about restoring America's beauty, I mean, what has

529
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made America great. And it's interesting the timing of your

530
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book in light of you know, Marxism and socialism, you know,

531
00:28:47.200 --> 00:28:50.680
seems to be spreading and igniting across the country. And

532
00:28:51.200 --> 00:28:53.880
it's like, whoa wait a minute here, you know, we're

533
00:28:53.920 --> 00:28:57.119
really kind of jumping the shark here, and we're ignoring

534
00:28:57.319 --> 00:29:00.359
some rich history and culture that truly has has made

535
00:29:00.400 --> 00:29:03.640
America great, that started two hundred and fifty years ago.

536
00:29:03.759 --> 00:29:05.880
So it's interesting right now that on the brink of

537
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our our two hundred and fiftieth year anniversary, that our

538
00:29:10.720 --> 00:29:16.079
US Constitution and all our values are being challenged right now.

539
00:29:16.880 --> 00:29:18.880
Well, I mean that's what the left is doing. I mean,

540
00:29:18.920 --> 00:29:21.400
Marxism is certainly on the march in New York City.

541
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We'll find out soon enough just how much they're embracing

542
00:29:25.279 --> 00:29:29.319
Marxism to elect a Marxist mayor. But you're right, I mean,

543
00:29:29.319 --> 00:29:31.759
the left is on the March, and we have to

544
00:29:31.799 --> 00:29:34.400
be vigilant and fight every day for the greatness of

545
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this country. The fact is the left doesn't like beauty.

546
00:29:37.960 --> 00:29:38.799
It hates beauty.

547
00:29:39.039 --> 00:29:41.559
And the Left has been at war with American greatness

548
00:29:41.640 --> 00:29:44.440
and our history and our culture for well over half

549
00:29:44.440 --> 00:29:47.039
a century. And I mean I work for the Freedom Center.

550
00:29:47.079 --> 00:29:49.519
I worked for David Horowitz for over twenty three years,

551
00:29:50.519 --> 00:29:52.559
and I've learned a lot from David. Of course, spent

552
00:29:52.680 --> 00:29:55.799
first half his life as a committed Marxist and then

553
00:29:55.880 --> 00:29:58.160
came to his census. In the second half his life.

554
00:29:58.200 --> 00:30:02.359
He committed the redressing those sins and teaching us about

555
00:30:02.759 --> 00:30:05.519
how dangerous the left is. The Left wants to destroy

556
00:30:05.599 --> 00:30:09.079
our faith, our family, our culture, and our history. And

557
00:30:09.160 --> 00:30:11.200
we have to fight back because they are never going

558
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to relent. And You're right, they are on the March.

559
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They wake up every day with these kind of passion

560
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to create this new utopian heaven on earth. And to

561
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create a heaven on earth, you have to destroy what

562
00:30:21.640 --> 00:30:24.759
came before it. And then the self loathing of our

563
00:30:24.839 --> 00:30:27.720
history and our culture is so destructive.

564
00:30:28.079 --> 00:30:28.319
Bill.

565
00:30:28.400 --> 00:30:31.039
So that's what we need to fight and restore the

566
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greatness of this country.

567
00:30:33.039 --> 00:30:35.000
Well, they want to delude you into thinking they're going

568
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to create a heaven on earth. But when you look

569
00:30:38.119 --> 00:30:42.119
historically at what they've done more it looks more like

570
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hell than heaven.

571
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Well, hundreds of millions of people down hundreds, over one

572
00:30:46.240 --> 00:30:49.319
hundred million people died in the twentieth century chasing those

573
00:30:50.480 --> 00:30:54.359
because of those illusions, right, false illusions. So you're absolutely right.

574
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It only leads to massive death and misery and depression.

575
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I mean, it would would destroy this country, It could

576
00:31:01.880 --> 00:31:04.240
destroy the world if we go down that path. But

577
00:31:04.359 --> 00:31:08.319
like I said, over one hundred million people died sacrificed

578
00:31:08.359 --> 00:31:11.240
on this altar of this utopia. We cannot let and

579
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to think that it can happen here, I think would

580
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be foolish. I mean, thank goodness, we have a majority

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00:31:16.519 --> 00:31:19.160
of the people. We have a faithful people. We believe

582
00:31:19.160 --> 00:31:22.319
in this country, we believe in our liberty and freedom.

583
00:31:22.559 --> 00:31:25.119
So we're going to fight it. But you know, they've

584
00:31:25.240 --> 00:31:29.279
they've had some successes quote unquote, and they keep thinking, well,

585
00:31:29.319 --> 00:31:31.720
we just didn't do it right. Stalin and Lennon didn't

586
00:31:31.759 --> 00:31:34.039
do it right, Mau didn't do it right. Poule Pop

587
00:31:34.079 --> 00:31:36.960
didn't do it right. Oh we can do it right here?

588
00:31:37.160 --> 00:31:38.720
I mean, is that what the voters of New York

589
00:31:38.720 --> 00:31:40.920
are thinking, that this guy's actually going to create this

590
00:31:41.240 --> 00:31:44.200
wonderful utopia or is he going to drag New York down?

591
00:31:44.240 --> 00:31:48.400
He's gonna make David Dinkins look like a George Washington exactly.

592
00:31:48.720 --> 00:31:52.240
Well, And the thing is, here's this young man who said,

593
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you know, really no experience. You know, has he ever

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run of business? Has he signed the you know, the

595
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front of a paycheck? I don't see any history in that.

596
00:32:06.480 --> 00:32:08.839
I mean, he you know. The thing that galls me.

597
00:32:09.119 --> 00:32:11.680
I gotta tell you, Michael, is that here this kid

598
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comes to America at the age of seven. He and

599
00:32:14.759 --> 00:32:19.079
his parents, they are protected and covered and enjoy the

600
00:32:19.119 --> 00:32:23.920
benefits of this country, and they flourish. And his way

601
00:32:23.920 --> 00:32:28.240
of saying thank you is we want to deconstruct what

602
00:32:28.960 --> 00:32:32.400
protected me for the last almost thirty years of my life.

603
00:32:32.519 --> 00:32:35.319
Right yeah, it's it's mind blow elon Omar. You could

604
00:32:35.359 --> 00:32:38.279
the Congress congresspon in Minnesota the same thing and they go,

605
00:32:38.519 --> 00:32:40.440
why did you come here? I mean, you want to

606
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destroy what makes this country great, destroy the principles of

607
00:32:44.599 --> 00:32:47.279
our founding. It's really frightening.

608
00:32:47.400 --> 00:32:47.559
You know.

609
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Look, I mean we could say, well, you know, woe

610
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to be to New York. You know that you deserve

611
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what you get. But the fact is New York is

612
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the financial capital of the country, if not the financial

613
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capital of the world. New York is important. Look, I mean,

614
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we may suffer through this and wait for the next election,

615
00:33:04.400 --> 00:33:07.160
but I think really tough times are coming for that

616
00:33:07.240 --> 00:33:08.640
poor city and its citizens.

617
00:33:09.039 --> 00:33:11.799
Well, Michael, you're right. You know, New York like any

618
00:33:11.839 --> 00:33:16.440
city Minnesota, they're all important. You can't surrender ground. This

619
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is what is upset me about the Republican Party right now.

620
00:33:20.559 --> 00:33:22.720
Is it that they're not fighting back in New York.

621
00:33:22.759 --> 00:33:26.079
They've surrendered. They're not, you know, like it or not.

622
00:33:26.599 --> 00:33:29.599
Kurtis Leewa has been. He's the standard bear for the

623
00:33:29.640 --> 00:33:34.559
Republican Party, fighting against a corrupt governor, a young kid

624
00:33:34.599 --> 00:33:37.480
who doesn't know what he's doing, offering all kinds of

625
00:33:37.480 --> 00:33:40.400
free stuff. And I guess he hasn't even seen, you know,

626
00:33:40.480 --> 00:33:43.279
the balance sheet of New York to realize they're out

627
00:33:43.319 --> 00:33:46.240
of money. So where is this free stuff going to

628
00:33:46.319 --> 00:33:47.079
come from?

629
00:33:47.279 --> 00:33:50.240
Well, yeah, you're going to run out of other people's money, right,

630
00:33:50.240 --> 00:33:52.720
I mean, that's the really dangerous thing. And another thing that

631
00:33:52.920 --> 00:33:55.599
David Horowitz kind of taught us is how seductive the

632
00:33:55.680 --> 00:34:00.559
left vision is. Right, their ideology is incredibly we're going

633
00:34:00.640 --> 00:34:03.359
to get rid of want and hunger and poverty and

634
00:34:03.519 --> 00:34:05.839
racism and sexism. We're going to get rid of all

635
00:34:05.880 --> 00:34:09.840
of that and everything will be perfect. Everyone will be equal, equally,

636
00:34:10.320 --> 00:34:13.880
either dead or living in incredible poverty and misery, misery

637
00:34:16.280 --> 00:34:19.320
the top right exactly, So you know, but it is,

638
00:34:19.360 --> 00:34:22.320
it's very seductive. And people look, I mean, if we've

639
00:34:22.400 --> 00:34:24.840
wanted to be God since the Garden Adam and Eve,

640
00:34:24.880 --> 00:34:27.199
I mean, there's been this impulse to create this heaven

641
00:34:27.239 --> 00:34:30.239
on Earth where we could replace God and become God.

642
00:34:30.639 --> 00:34:32.559
And we're never going to eradicate that. It's going to

643
00:34:32.559 --> 00:34:35.840
be here to the end of the time. So exactly, Unfortunately, Bill,

644
00:34:35.840 --> 00:34:36.960
we're never going to be able to wake up and

645
00:34:36.960 --> 00:34:39.199
say we won we defeated the Left. We're never we

646
00:34:39.239 --> 00:34:42.599
can push back, but we're never going to defeat them.

647
00:34:42.679 --> 00:34:45.400
Ronald Reagan said, we're gonna have to fight every generation. Well,

648
00:34:45.400 --> 00:34:48.039
we're in that generation right now where we're fighting something

649
00:34:48.159 --> 00:34:50.039
very serious and very dangerous.

650
00:34:50.360 --> 00:34:53.880
Well, it definitely is intensified because of the conditions that

651
00:34:53.920 --> 00:34:56.400
were created, you know, for lots of reasons, you know

652
00:34:56.559 --> 00:35:00.559
a lot of it. You know, democratic policies, Michael, they've

653
00:35:00.639 --> 00:35:06.239
created this and uh so it has made New York unaffordable.

654
00:35:06.880 --> 00:35:09.920
Uh it's it's caused a lot of pain. And so

655
00:35:10.039 --> 00:35:13.119
these young kids all they know and of course that

656
00:35:13.159 --> 00:35:16.760
younger generation, this younger generation has been coddled. They don't

657
00:35:16.840 --> 00:35:20.360
know much about pain because God forbid, they have a booboo,

658
00:35:20.679 --> 00:35:23.320
you know, because you know, the parents, the helicopter parents

659
00:35:23.360 --> 00:35:26.440
that we were, you know, so protected them that we

660
00:35:26.559 --> 00:35:28.519
didn't allow them to go out there and scrape their

661
00:35:28.599 --> 00:35:32.480
kneecaps and uh and so here it is, all the

662
00:35:32.519 --> 00:35:36.039
conditions are ripe. And that's what you see Historically, when

663
00:35:36.079 --> 00:35:39.159
the conditions are ripe, it gives rise to Marxism and

664
00:35:39.199 --> 00:35:43.360
all these other isms because they're promising relief from the pain.

665
00:35:43.880 --> 00:35:45.199
Right exactly.

666
00:35:45.239 --> 00:35:48.239
But you know, the really tragedy, tragedy is that the

667
00:35:48.800 --> 00:35:50.800
horrible things are going to happen in New York. I mean,

668
00:35:50.840 --> 00:35:53.760
the deep policing. I mean, he hates the police, right,

669
00:35:53.760 --> 00:35:55.639
I mean it's just so what's going to happen is

670
00:35:55.679 --> 00:35:58.960
the people that vote for him don't live in those neighborhoods, right,

671
00:35:59.000 --> 00:36:01.119
I mean, they're all up set that Trump calls in

672
00:36:01.159 --> 00:36:03.440
the National Guard to Washington, d c. To kind of

673
00:36:03.440 --> 00:36:06.039
police the people live in those neighborhoods. The polling is

674
00:36:06.039 --> 00:36:09.360
like ninety percent pro Trump, right, so they need and

675
00:36:09.519 --> 00:36:11.480
it is they don't want their kids being shot at

676
00:36:11.519 --> 00:36:15.159
walking to school. So you know, But the people that

677
00:36:15.639 --> 00:36:19.400
endorse this, these Marxists whatever wherever they call themselves, they

678
00:36:19.400 --> 00:36:21.760
don't live in those neighborhoods, so they're not worried about it.

679
00:36:21.800 --> 00:36:23.800
They just see this as some kind of vision and

680
00:36:23.840 --> 00:36:27.559
it's going to eradicate all the horrible things of capitalism

681
00:36:27.559 --> 00:36:31.360
and the American system. And how foolish. But again, how dangerous.

682
00:36:31.440 --> 00:36:33.960
I mean, this really is dangerous. We're going down a

683
00:36:34.000 --> 00:36:35.360
really scary path.

684
00:36:35.840 --> 00:36:41.719
When everything triggers you, it becomes it becomes a problem,

685
00:36:41.800 --> 00:36:45.719
you know, And and sadly, and I'm sorry that they

686
00:36:45.800 --> 00:36:49.039
get triggered so easily, whether it's the National Guard restoring

687
00:36:49.119 --> 00:36:51.800
peace and law and order to a community that was

688
00:36:51.920 --> 00:36:55.119
ninety five percent voted against Trump, now they're ninety five

689
00:36:55.159 --> 00:36:57.760
percent saying thank you Trump. My kids, I can take

690
00:36:57.800 --> 00:37:00.280
them to the park, I can my wife and I

691
00:37:00.280 --> 00:37:01.960
can actually go out and have a date at a

692
00:37:02.000 --> 00:37:04.400
restaurant and feel like, hey, we're going to get back

693
00:37:04.400 --> 00:37:07.119
home safely and be with the kids. And Trump was

694
00:37:07.159 --> 00:37:10.760
the difference. It wasn't maryel Bowser, it wasn't Chuck Schumer.

695
00:37:10.599 --> 00:37:15.159
Right right, Well, look, Trump's transformed the Republican Party. Frankly though,

696
00:37:15.199 --> 00:37:20.880
he's transformed the entire country. He's transformed the citizens world exactly.

697
00:37:20.920 --> 00:37:24.440
And the Demo, the far left, the radical left, is

698
00:37:24.480 --> 00:37:28.159
represented by the potential new mayor of New York, Ma'm donnie.

699
00:37:28.440 --> 00:37:31.480
They've taken over the Democrat Party. But what Trump has

700
00:37:31.519 --> 00:37:34.800
done is created this new Republican Party, which is now

701
00:37:34.920 --> 00:37:39.280
the middle American working Man's or working Americans Party, right,

702
00:37:39.320 --> 00:37:42.599
I mean, that's the party of the working class. Hispanic Americans,

703
00:37:42.639 --> 00:37:47.079
African American Americans are coming over in droves supporting Trump.

704
00:37:47.119 --> 00:37:50.840
I mean, the votes increased tremendously last last year, and

705
00:37:50.880 --> 00:37:53.519
it's going to tremendous. I mean, I don't know who

706
00:37:53.599 --> 00:37:56.079
is going to be left in the Democrat Party to vote. So,

707
00:37:56.159 --> 00:37:59.360
I mean, you know, I guess there's some silver lining

708
00:37:59.400 --> 00:38:03.000
in this that the common sense and the basic goodness

709
00:38:03.079 --> 00:38:06.280
and faithfulness of the American people understand this, and they

710
00:38:06.320 --> 00:38:08.920
are coming to Donald Trump. And let's just hope that

711
00:38:09.159 --> 00:38:12.599
what comes after Trump, the America First policies that take

712
00:38:12.639 --> 00:38:16.440
care of the working man continue post Trump. That's really

713
00:38:16.440 --> 00:38:18.960
going to be critical to kind of cement his legacy.

714
00:38:19.039 --> 00:38:22.960
But the Democrat Party has just abandoned all common sense.

715
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We're back with your fourteen minutes before the top. They

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are Bill Martinez here with Michael Finch's new book, A

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Time to Stand the Dire Hour to defend America American beauty.

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And I like that you mentioned beauty because beauty is

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a natural, intrinsic thing that's in all our DNA. And

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you can tell when somebody is is liberated and they

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have a higher level of consciousness, and that is that

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they can they can see beauty for what it is.

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In fact, it was interesting here recently the left went

799
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absolutely bonzos. When was it Sweeney came out with that

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with the gene zad you know, she has good genes.

801
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They went, they went, they could not see beauty, and

802
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that's quite telling. So it's interesting that you use American

803
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beauty because you know, people that are fair minded and liberated,

804
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they see beauty in everything. They acknowledge it. It's easy

805
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for them to do it. The left, if they acknowledge it,

806
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it's like they've surrendered their brains or something, or their

807
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political stance. It's hysterical.

808
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Yeah, I mean the left hates beauty. I mean that's

809
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been written, and it's interesting. You know, Theodor Dostoevsky, the

810
00:43:58.719 --> 00:44:02.920
famous Russian novelists, said that beauty will save the world. Now,

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he didn't really explain exactly, but I'll take that. I'll

812
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take him for his word for it, just on that basis. Look,

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beauty and art, beauty and culture, beauty and everything is

814
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really our kind of effort to try to kind of

815
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reach the heavens and reach God.

816
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We can that we're going to fail, or you said that,

817
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We're exactly right.

818
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But that's the effort and that's why the left hates it.

819
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They hate I mean architecture, art. I mean to put

820
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the across in a vat of urine and say this

821
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is art. I mean, sorry, art is not in the

822
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eye of the Beauty is not in the eye of

823
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the beholder. I mean there's beautiful art and then there's

824
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really ugly art. That's that's a fact.

825
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Right.

826
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So you know when Bach wrote music, not an American

827
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but still one of the great, obviously the great musician

828
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of all time. Every single piece he wrote, he said

829
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he did an honor and worship of God. It was

830
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for God. He was trying to reach something. And the

831
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great paintings, the great literature, the great everything, anything, anything

832
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that represents our culture is a way to to reach

833
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the heavens. And it's I mean, look, I'm a Christian.

834
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You can be Jewish, but the Greeks and Romans were

835
00:45:07.119 --> 00:45:10.400
neither Jewish nor Christian, right the original classical Greek and

836
00:45:10.440 --> 00:45:14.360
classical Roman civilizations. But when they built those incredible buildings

837
00:45:14.519 --> 00:45:16.519
that are still many, of course still exist in some

838
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form today, they were trying to reach to something higher.

839
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Even they understood. It may not have been the Christian God,

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but they were reaching to their God. And that's true

841
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all over the world. So this idea, once you take

842
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God out of the equation, then beauty doesn't exist to

843
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me either. There is no beauty. And when you lose beauty,

844
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you've lost You've lost everything. And America has such an

845
00:45:38.199 --> 00:45:42.280
incredibly rich and beautiful culture, which unfortunately, again the left

846
00:45:42.280 --> 00:45:47.039
has attacked education. America is a stained, sexist, racist, imperialistic,

847
00:45:47.639 --> 00:45:51.519
environmental destroying it's you know, we're supposed to be we

848
00:45:51.679 --> 00:45:54.519
self loathed over our own history in our schools, which

849
00:45:54.559 --> 00:45:58.320
is really tragic, and they attacked then the culture is

850
00:45:58.360 --> 00:46:01.119
not even taught. We have this Howard's version of American

851
00:46:01.199 --> 00:46:04.400
history that is running rampant in our public schools, and

852
00:46:04.440 --> 00:46:07.519
we have to fight that and restore the greatness of

853
00:46:07.599 --> 00:46:08.960
our history and culture.

854
00:46:09.400 --> 00:46:12.559
Well, you consider the beautiful aspects of our history, Michael,

855
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and I would dare to say that that was probably

856
00:46:16.719 --> 00:46:18.519
at times when we were closer to God.

857
00:46:19.599 --> 00:46:22.559
Oh, there's no question. And the only thing the more

858
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I reflect on the spill, and I don't know, you know,

859
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but I have a feeling that we're we could be

860
00:46:27.480 --> 00:46:30.920
approaching another great awakening. I just I think there's a rise.

861
00:46:31.280 --> 00:46:33.960
Americans are thirsting. You know, when you put them down,

862
00:46:34.039 --> 00:46:36.280
you put down our history, you put down, you know,

863
00:46:36.400 --> 00:46:38.800
our faith, then there's going to be a kind of

864
00:46:38.840 --> 00:46:41.800
a blowback to that. And the blowback is, no, We're

865
00:46:41.840 --> 00:46:43.880
proud of our country, we're proud of our history, and

866
00:46:43.920 --> 00:46:46.360
we're proud of our faith, and we are going to

867
00:46:46.400 --> 00:46:49.400
restore that. So I sense, you know, you saw with

868
00:46:49.840 --> 00:46:52.480
the work that Charlie Kirk did exactly what to say,

869
00:46:52.480 --> 00:46:55.280
gradually take taken away from us, but you know, he

870
00:46:55.440 --> 00:46:58.559
was reaching students, young people, and a lot of it

871
00:46:58.639 --> 00:47:02.960
was really about this conservative principles and capitalism and so forth.

872
00:47:03.159 --> 00:47:06.440
Much of it, increasingly so, especially toward the end, was

873
00:47:06.440 --> 00:47:10.480
about faith is Christian faith, and people are thirsting for this.

874
00:47:10.559 --> 00:47:13.440
And I think there's a kind of an overwhelming response

875
00:47:13.519 --> 00:47:16.760
to that. Again, whether or not they're being awakening next week,

876
00:47:16.840 --> 00:47:18.960
next year, in the next ten years, I don't know.

877
00:47:19.039 --> 00:47:21.599
We don't know, but you can see the signs that

878
00:47:21.679 --> 00:47:25.239
Americans are thirsting for that kind of to be closer

879
00:47:25.239 --> 00:47:27.519
to God, for the country to be closer, no question.

880
00:47:28.079 --> 00:47:31.280
Well, that's where the answers lie, Michael. They don't lie

881
00:47:31.320 --> 00:47:34.480
on this plane. The answers are in heaven, and that's

882
00:47:34.519 --> 00:47:37.440
why we need to seek God. Charles Finney says, a

883
00:47:37.480 --> 00:47:40.480
revival happens when it's most needed. And I think what

884
00:47:40.519 --> 00:47:44.519
you're seeing and discerning, I'm seeing the same thing that

885
00:47:45.000 --> 00:47:50.960
America is in need of another awakening. And I've seen

886
00:47:51.840 --> 00:47:55.679
what I call bonfires, a revival being ignited, you know,

887
00:47:55.880 --> 00:47:58.679
around the country, and it's just waiting for some sort

888
00:47:58.679 --> 00:48:02.440
of ignition that you know, kind of couples them in

889
00:48:02.480 --> 00:48:05.119
such a way where it really really takes off. Now

890
00:48:05.159 --> 00:48:07.480
when we say that too, Michael, it's not like it's

891
00:48:07.480 --> 00:48:09.159
going to get you know, you're going to be a

892
00:48:09.239 --> 00:48:12.440
thousand percent that's never going to happen. You know, you're

893
00:48:12.480 --> 00:48:15.480
always going to have still, as the Bible talks about

894
00:48:15.519 --> 00:48:17.719
in terms of wheats and terrs, you're gonna have the

895
00:48:17.719 --> 00:48:21.639
wheat growing alongside the terrors. And so just like in

896
00:48:21.719 --> 00:48:24.199
any other revival back in the seventies, you know, we

897
00:48:24.280 --> 00:48:27.559
saw what happened there. You had, you know, the Jesus movement,

898
00:48:27.639 --> 00:48:29.960
and then you had all the hippies and Woodstock and

899
00:48:30.039 --> 00:48:32.480
all the wacky crazy stuff going on. It was a

900
00:48:32.480 --> 00:48:35.639
parallel universe that was happening, and the people that sought

901
00:48:35.719 --> 00:48:39.880
Jesus and turned to Jesus different, different outcome than those

902
00:48:39.920 --> 00:48:45.000
that you know, aligned with everything that happened in Woodstock

903
00:48:45.039 --> 00:48:45.599
for example.

904
00:48:46.239 --> 00:48:48.679
Well, I think, you know, a great awakening, it doesn't

905
00:48:48.679 --> 00:48:51.079
even have to be the majority. It can be even

906
00:48:51.480 --> 00:48:54.079
a minority that has moved in that way. I mean,

907
00:48:54.079 --> 00:48:59.639
look the Declaration of Independence, the founding of this country.

908
00:48:59.679 --> 00:49:02.480
The we didn't have a major, there was not all

909
00:49:02.599 --> 00:49:05.360
gone of the colonists that many of them were either

910
00:49:05.400 --> 00:49:08.559
indifferent or they were loyal to the crown. But we

911
00:49:08.639 --> 00:49:12.559
moved the world because we had a core, a minority

912
00:49:12.599 --> 00:49:16.280
corps that was faithful and dedicated to these principles of liberty.

913
00:49:16.360 --> 00:49:21.559
So I'll take an awakening movement that reconnects us with

914
00:49:21.679 --> 00:49:25.559
Jesus that can move this country and save this country. Again,

915
00:49:25.800 --> 00:49:28.639
it doesn't have to be seventy percent. So we're moving

916
00:49:28.639 --> 00:49:32.320
in that direction possibly, but you kind of like seeing

917
00:49:32.320 --> 00:49:34.239
the signs. You like seeing that there's going to be

918
00:49:34.280 --> 00:49:37.599
this kind of thirst to come together with God again.

919
00:49:38.159 --> 00:49:40.960
And look, look what liberty has provided for us, Michael,

920
00:49:41.079 --> 00:49:43.760
historically in the two hundred and fifty years. I mean,

921
00:49:43.840 --> 00:49:47.719
how this country has flourished because of that, because of freedom.

922
00:49:48.360 --> 00:49:51.239
And freedom is God given, it's not given to us

923
00:49:51.320 --> 00:49:54.360
by a government. And this is why America is such

924
00:49:54.360 --> 00:50:00.039
a magnet because people instinctively are drawn where liberty resides.

925
00:50:00.440 --> 00:50:03.719
And yes, you know there's been some impingement on liberty.

926
00:50:04.039 --> 00:50:06.760
But again, as you say, we need to re embrace

927
00:50:07.000 --> 00:50:10.119
and renew our thinking in such a way to where

928
00:50:10.239 --> 00:50:13.079
we can be like our founding fathers to say, you know,

929
00:50:13.280 --> 00:50:14.880
give me liberty or give me death.

930
00:50:15.400 --> 00:50:18.679
Well, absolutely, and liberty is and freedom will not exist

931
00:50:18.719 --> 00:50:24.960
without virtue. So you know, a virtuous people citizenship, citizenry

932
00:50:25.079 --> 00:50:27.559
is really critical otherwise you know that we're going to

933
00:50:27.639 --> 00:50:29.880
lose the liberty. So the two go hand in hand,

934
00:50:29.880 --> 00:50:33.960
they always have. America was founded by Christians, you know,

935
00:50:33.960 --> 00:50:37.599
along the Judeo Christian ethic. Okay, that is indisputable. Again,

936
00:50:37.639 --> 00:50:40.559
the left hates that as well. So we need that,

937
00:50:40.599 --> 00:50:44.159
we need the virtue and order, virtuous citizens in order

938
00:50:44.239 --> 00:50:46.440
to kind of hold on to this liberty because again

939
00:50:46.480 --> 00:50:48.760
we're in a battle every day and there are many

940
00:50:48.920 --> 00:50:51.320
that are attacking. It's a minority, but it's a very

941
00:50:51.320 --> 00:50:54.719
strong minority, and they're driven. This is their religion. It's

942
00:50:54.760 --> 00:50:56.840
another thing David taught us that it's not like they

943
00:50:57.320 --> 00:50:59.639
can call themselves atheists or they don't believe. They have

944
00:50:59.679 --> 00:51:02.559
a really religion, and that reception is this ideology to

945
00:51:02.599 --> 00:51:05.440
create this heaven on earth. And if you're driven by that,

946
00:51:05.559 --> 00:51:08.440
then you're gonna stop and anything that stands in your

947
00:51:08.480 --> 00:51:10.880
way and that build that you and me and millions

948
00:51:10.880 --> 00:51:13.000
of others are gonna have to be pushed out of

949
00:51:13.000 --> 00:51:14.559
the way, either that they're going to want to re

950
00:51:14.760 --> 00:51:17.079
educate us or push us out of the way. And

951
00:51:17.079 --> 00:51:19.519
that's how you get the millions of dead. So that's

952
00:51:19.559 --> 00:51:22.400
how serious this is. And look, we're you know, we

953
00:51:22.480 --> 00:51:24.960
still have very strong country. We have a leader and

954
00:51:25.039 --> 00:51:27.840
President Trump who believes very strongly and all the things

955
00:51:27.880 --> 00:51:30.960
that we're talking about. So look, we're in a good position.

956
00:51:31.000 --> 00:51:33.440
We're in a strong position, but there are a lot

957
00:51:33.480 --> 00:51:35.920
of danger signs and if we slip, if we if

958
00:51:35.960 --> 00:51:39.239
we let down our guard again, it won't take a generation.

959
00:51:39.400 --> 00:51:40.239
We'll lose all of this.

960
00:51:40.679 --> 00:51:44.079
Yeah. What certifies our position all the more, I'm convinced, Michael,

961
00:51:44.679 --> 00:51:49.239
is that we hold to the truth, okay, and truth

962
00:51:49.280 --> 00:51:53.880
comes from God. And that's that's what we're anchored in. Uh,

963
00:51:54.039 --> 00:51:57.000
and that's what's going to sustain us. I mean it's

964
00:51:57.000 --> 00:51:59.960
interesting right now when you look at the nearest ass

965
00:52:00.679 --> 00:52:04.440
of Donald Trump, you can talk about the assassination of

966
00:52:04.519 --> 00:52:10.119
Charlie Kirk, talk about the disassemblage of the mainstream media.

967
00:52:10.519 --> 00:52:13.920
I mean, it's a shell of itself right now, podcasters,

968
00:52:14.480 --> 00:52:20.159
you know, exploding. You know, I still maintain Elon Musk

969
00:52:20.280 --> 00:52:24.119
is my hero for nothing else, because he opened up

970
00:52:24.159 --> 00:52:28.480
the gates of our first Amendment, two first speech, in

971
00:52:28.599 --> 00:52:33.119
purchasing in purchasing Twitter. I mean, he really opened that

972
00:52:33.199 --> 00:52:36.360
gate again, and we're grateful, you know. So when you

973
00:52:36.400 --> 00:52:40.280
look at the alignment of these events where we are

974
00:52:40.360 --> 00:52:44.320
right now, if they didn't happen, we'd really be in trouble.

975
00:52:44.599 --> 00:52:48.280
Well yeah, I mean, they took over quote unquote mainstream media.

976
00:52:48.280 --> 00:52:50.960
But at this point who cares. Nobody's watching, nobody's listening

977
00:52:51.039 --> 00:52:54.159
to mainstream media. The explosion of what you're doing, Bill,

978
00:52:54.280 --> 00:52:57.920
the podcasters, talk radio, on and on the Internet. And

979
00:52:58.239 --> 00:53:00.920
you're right, there are great champions of speech. I mean

980
00:53:01.159 --> 00:53:03.440
some of them, even coming out of Silicon Valleys. Even

981
00:53:03.480 --> 00:53:06.440
that the movement that there's this kind of slow change

982
00:53:06.440 --> 00:53:10.519
in Silicon Valley and the tech world that I'm not

983
00:53:10.519 --> 00:53:13.039
saying they're embracing the First Amendment, but there's movement there.

984
00:53:13.039 --> 00:53:15.519
And I want to just you mentioned something about truth,

985
00:53:15.559 --> 00:53:18.840
which is so important. That's why I stay optimistic, is

986
00:53:18.880 --> 00:53:21.280
because we have truth on our side. And I'll bring

987
00:53:21.360 --> 00:53:23.960
up another Russian writer souls in each and said live

988
00:53:24.079 --> 00:53:27.559
not by lies. Well, the Left lives by a lie.

989
00:53:27.679 --> 00:53:29.639
It is a lie. The idea that they can create

990
00:53:29.679 --> 00:53:32.000
this heaven on earth that will make everything perfect and

991
00:53:32.039 --> 00:53:35.199
wonderful is a lie. They know it's a lie. So

992
00:53:35.239 --> 00:53:38.199
they're in pursuit of a lie. We cannot live by that.

993
00:53:38.360 --> 00:53:40.440
We can live by the truth. We have truth in

994
00:53:40.480 --> 00:53:43.920
God on our side. So that's again that if you

995
00:53:44.039 --> 00:53:48.000
want some reassurance that all is not lost, we need

996
00:53:48.039 --> 00:53:49.800
to hold on to That doesn't mean we don't have

997
00:53:49.840 --> 00:53:52.119
to fight, but we do have truth on our side.

998
00:53:52.559 --> 00:53:56.000
Amen. His book time to stand the dire hour, and

999
00:53:56.079 --> 00:54:01.000
it is a dire hour to defend American beauty. Michael,

1000
00:54:01.039 --> 00:54:03.159
this is a blessing, you know what you have given

1001
00:54:03.239 --> 00:54:06.239
to us. And thank you for your efforts to put

1002
00:54:06.239 --> 00:54:09.000
this out there to uh, you know, plant a flag

1003
00:54:09.719 --> 00:54:13.360
you know on truth and liberty for the sake of

1004
00:54:13.599 --> 00:54:17.039
all Americans. And then what we're realizing it's more than America.

1005
00:54:17.119 --> 00:54:22.079
I mean, our consequence and our impact universally extends. I mean,

1006
00:54:22.119 --> 00:54:24.960
and this is why I believe that God has blessed

1007
00:54:25.039 --> 00:54:26.800
us in the manner in which he has.

1008
00:54:26.920 --> 00:54:29.599
Yeah, the last best hope. I really believe that. So

1009
00:54:29.760 --> 00:54:32.360
we lose America and I think liberty is lost. So

1010
00:54:32.400 --> 00:54:37.320
we have to keep this experiment going. The exceptional aspirational

1011
00:54:37.360 --> 00:54:40.800
culture in our history has to be restored. It's make

1012
00:54:40.840 --> 00:54:44.800
America great in every aspect. So, you know, God bless

1013
00:54:44.840 --> 00:54:45.719
everything that you were doing.

1014
00:54:45.760 --> 00:54:45.920
Bill.

1015
00:54:46.039 --> 00:54:47.960
I mean, we you know, we were in a battle

1016
00:54:48.440 --> 00:54:50.199
and we're going to We're going to win this battle.

1017
00:54:50.599 --> 00:54:52.280
You got it. Michael Finch, thank you, Thank you so

1018
00:54:52.400 --> 00:54:54.719
much for being with his Take care we Bill talk soon.

1019
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1039
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Bill Martinez livey.

1040
00:56:07.199 --> 00:56:08.960
Six minutes after the top of the hour. Right now,

1041
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Bill Martinez here with Scott Powell, Scott Is, the senior

1042
00:56:12.199 --> 00:56:15.199
Fellow at Discovering Institute, got to talk about his book,

1043
00:56:15.239 --> 00:56:18.480
Rediscovering America. Well, I'll say it is powerful, a great

1044
00:56:18.679 --> 00:56:21.960
holiday gift, a stocking stuffer that will be the gift

1045
00:56:22.039 --> 00:56:24.840
that will keep on giving for anybody that reads this book.

1046
00:56:24.840 --> 00:56:28.519
It reminds us of the exceptionalism of our country. It's

1047
00:56:28.559 --> 00:56:32.800
not exceptional just because we say so. It's exceptional because

1048
00:56:32.840 --> 00:56:37.000
of the history and the facts, Right, Scott, that sounds

1049
00:56:37.039 --> 00:56:37.480
a great.

1050
00:56:37.400 --> 00:56:42.440
Bill Well said, well, you know, well be my agent.

1051
00:56:42.960 --> 00:56:45.880
Yeah, you can't help but be proud of this great

1052
00:56:45.880 --> 00:56:47.800
country of ours. And you know we stand on the

1053
00:56:47.840 --> 00:56:53.280
shoulders of giants, and we're so blessed that. You know,

1054
00:56:53.320 --> 00:56:58.559
from the pilgrims that came to the New World to

1055
00:56:58.840 --> 00:57:05.960
escape Christian persecution, religious persecution, they begged God, God, please

1056
00:57:06.039 --> 00:57:08.960
give us a place where we could worship You and

1057
00:57:09.440 --> 00:57:14.039
be able to freely exercise our faith. And God answered

1058
00:57:14.039 --> 00:57:17.360
their prayer, their prayer and fasting for twelve years.

1059
00:57:17.360 --> 00:57:23.199
Scott, I know, it's quite remarkable, quite remarkable. So knowing

1060
00:57:23.280 --> 00:57:26.320
that about our history should give us a lot of hope.

1061
00:57:26.360 --> 00:57:29.760
But the substance of our hope really has to come

1062
00:57:31.239 --> 00:57:36.679
you know from repentance. You know, the Israelites lost God's

1063
00:57:36.719 --> 00:57:39.920
blessing at various times. We all are familiar with the

1064
00:57:39.920 --> 00:57:46.079
Babylonian captivity where they were literally cast out of Jerusalem

1065
00:57:46.239 --> 00:57:51.400
in Israel, and you know their city was destroyed, their

1066
00:57:51.400 --> 00:57:55.840
walls were destroyed, and they had to go into captivity. Well,

1067
00:57:56.039 --> 00:57:58.199
I would say that we have been in captivity just

1068
00:57:58.239 --> 00:58:03.800
about seventy years Americans. It's now twenty twenty five. Seventy

1069
00:58:03.880 --> 00:58:07.039
years back would be nineteen fifty five. Well, it was

1070
00:58:07.119 --> 00:58:09.880
right around that time, in early nineteen sixty that we

1071
00:58:09.920 --> 00:58:12.679
really began to take steps and do so through the

1072
00:58:12.719 --> 00:58:16.880
Supreme Court rulings, even to drive God out of our culture.

1073
00:58:17.840 --> 00:58:20.639
And as we've driven God out of our culture, we

1074
00:58:20.719 --> 00:58:24.599
see the results and we see the wisdom and the

1075
00:58:24.639 --> 00:58:27.760
truth of our Several of our founders, notably the first

1076
00:58:27.760 --> 00:58:32.400
and second Presidents, George Washington and John Adams, who commented

1077
00:58:32.760 --> 00:58:37.920
that our constitutional republic was suited only for a religious

1078
00:58:37.920 --> 00:58:43.199
and moral people. Exactly, the system would not work, The

1079
00:58:43.239 --> 00:58:46.559
freedoms that were given through a constitutional republic would not

1080
00:58:46.880 --> 00:58:53.400
work unless people recognize that they know that there was

1081
00:58:53.440 --> 00:58:57.199
a higher order, that there was God's order, exactly, and

1082
00:58:57.280 --> 00:58:59.199
so that's where we are, and I think we are

1083
00:58:59.280 --> 00:59:01.400
at a turning point. I think there is a spiritual

1084
00:59:01.400 --> 00:59:04.719
awakening going on. We could see what happened in the

1085
00:59:04.719 --> 00:59:09.719
aftermath of Charlie Kirk's assassination. He became a martyr, and

1086
00:59:09.840 --> 00:59:13.559
martyrdom led to a Christian revival. Well, you know, let's

1087
00:59:13.599 --> 00:59:17.360
hope that that has legs and continues and continues to grow,

1088
00:59:17.519 --> 00:59:21.719
because it's really our only hope is that we that

1089
00:59:21.800 --> 00:59:26.760
our culture could you know, could again restore to its

1090
00:59:26.840 --> 00:59:31.480
rightful place, the role of religion in our country, in

1091
00:59:31.519 --> 00:59:35.400
the culture. Not the government has no authority to tell

1092
00:59:35.480 --> 00:59:38.039
us what to believe. It it has it has the

1093
00:59:38.119 --> 00:59:43.199
responsibility to protect our rights to practice our religion as

1094
00:59:43.199 --> 00:59:46.519
we see fit. Religious freedom is a First Amendment right.

1095
00:59:46.639 --> 00:59:49.559
So that's the role of government. Protect free speech. It's

1096
00:59:49.559 --> 00:59:51.159
not doing a very it's not been doing a good

1097
00:59:51.239 --> 00:59:53.320
job of protecting free speech. It's not been doing a

1098
00:59:53.320 --> 00:59:55.679
good job of protecting the First Amendment. I mean, people

1099
00:59:55.719 --> 00:59:59.039
have been arrested for praying outside abortion clinics.

1100
00:59:59.519 --> 01:00:03.960
That's their of course, it is exactly exactly. Well, you know,

1101
01:00:03.960 --> 01:00:06.880
you said so much there, and there's lots to unpack.

1102
01:00:06.960 --> 01:00:09.480
First of all, I want to start out with hope. Yes,

1103
01:00:09.880 --> 01:00:14.199
hope is the initial week of the advent season, and

1104
01:00:14.239 --> 01:00:17.519
what it should cause you to stop and have, Like

1105
01:00:17.599 --> 01:00:20.039
the Bible talks of you know, sala moment s e

1106
01:00:20.199 --> 01:00:23.000
l at h that we need to pause and really

1107
01:00:23.039 --> 01:00:25.199
think about what it means to hope and who you

1108
01:00:25.280 --> 01:00:28.760
hope in. Like, for example, you know, people were hoping

1109
01:00:28.840 --> 01:00:32.039
in the government until they government shut down for forty

1110
01:00:32.039 --> 01:00:34.559
three days, and so how did that hope work out

1111
01:00:34.599 --> 01:00:39.280
for you? They've been hoping in Obamacare and Obamacare has

1112
01:00:39.280 --> 01:00:42.280
been on life support for the last ten years plus

1113
01:00:43.199 --> 01:00:46.159
and it's failed, and so what does that do? So

1114
01:00:46.840 --> 01:00:50.519
your hope needs to be anchored on something and someone

1115
01:00:51.079 --> 01:00:55.000
that is sustainable, someone who is the same yesterday, today

1116
01:00:55.000 --> 01:00:58.199
and forever and the only person and being that I

1117
01:00:58.280 --> 01:01:01.480
know that fits that is God o himself. Is that

1118
01:01:01.519 --> 01:01:02.119
fair to say?

1119
01:01:02.480 --> 01:01:04.360
That is very fair to say, that's very accurate.

1120
01:01:04.440 --> 01:01:07.960
Yes, all right, So, so hope is the issue and

1121
01:01:09.320 --> 01:01:11.960
the deal is you talk about, you know, seventy years

1122
01:01:11.960 --> 01:01:14.679
being in judgment. The thing is is I would say

1123
01:01:14.679 --> 01:01:17.159
that if the people understood we were in judgment, the

1124
01:01:17.239 --> 01:01:20.519
children of Israel understood, they were in judgment because everything,

1125
01:01:20.559 --> 01:01:23.199
their walls came down, they were kicked out of their country,

1126
01:01:23.719 --> 01:01:28.920
their religious system was all violated and desecrated. You know,

1127
01:01:29.039 --> 01:01:31.440
you know, their neighbors were making fun of them. They

1128
01:01:31.440 --> 01:01:35.039
were coming in and raping and pillaging, you know, their

1129
01:01:35.119 --> 01:01:38.679
once holy land. It was obvious that they were in

1130
01:01:38.760 --> 01:01:42.679
big trouble and they were feeling the consequences. Here in America,

1131
01:01:42.960 --> 01:01:45.960
we're kind of like that frog in boiling water. We're

1132
01:01:46.000 --> 01:01:50.239
getting cooked ever so gently, and we're in judgment, but

1133
01:01:50.280 --> 01:01:53.280
we don't even understand, we don't even see. If you

1134
01:01:53.320 --> 01:01:55.760
don't appreciate that you're in judgment, you're not going to

1135
01:01:55.880 --> 01:01:58.480
change your evil ways. Scott and I think this is

1136
01:01:58.559 --> 01:02:03.039
the casualness that America has towards. If you want to

1137
01:02:03.079 --> 01:02:06.480
say this is God's judgment. You know, things happen, you

1138
01:02:06.519 --> 01:02:11.519
know Rob Reiner's murder, Charlie Kirk's murder nine to eleven,

1139
01:02:12.039 --> 01:02:13.880
And it happens, and it goes, and it's just like

1140
01:02:13.960 --> 01:02:16.840
a news cycle. It comes and goes. Nobody sees it

1141
01:02:17.280 --> 01:02:20.440
as and I say nobody, by and large the culture

1142
01:02:20.519 --> 01:02:23.960
is not seeing it as maybe is God lifting his

1143
01:02:24.119 --> 01:02:27.760
hand of protection and love that was once upon this

1144
01:02:27.880 --> 01:02:30.760
country that we said that you know that we would

1145
01:02:30.760 --> 01:02:34.000
saying God bless America to well.

1146
01:02:33.840 --> 01:02:36.760
I do think that in driving God out of our culture,

1147
01:02:37.840 --> 01:02:43.840
it changes the spiritual atmosphere, if you will, gone. When

1148
01:02:43.880 --> 01:02:49.400
we have a heavenly spiritual atmosphere, godly, godly spirit's protecting us,

1149
01:02:49.599 --> 01:02:53.280
if you will, and they're driven out, it leads a vacuum.

1150
01:02:53.360 --> 01:02:55.920
And what we've seen is really the you know, the

1151
01:02:56.320 --> 01:03:02.639
growth of demonic evil spiritual forces. I mean, it's obvious

1152
01:03:02.679 --> 01:03:05.519
that so many of us, I mean, because you can't

1153
01:03:05.559 --> 01:03:09.559
explain the level of evil now in any other way.

1154
01:03:09.719 --> 01:03:13.519
It's not explainable rationally. And so if it's not explainable rationally,

1155
01:03:14.000 --> 01:03:18.079
it must be because it's a powerful spiritual force that

1156
01:03:18.239 --> 01:03:21.320
is dividing us, that has brought us to incivility in

1157
01:03:21.360 --> 01:03:27.159
our cities, that has caused former generals to act treasonously

1158
01:03:27.239 --> 01:03:30.280
against the President of the United States, recommending that military

1159
01:03:30.320 --> 01:03:35.440
troops and government officials not obeyed laws that come down

1160
01:03:35.480 --> 01:03:38.599
from the president. And these laws that they're encouraged to

1161
01:03:38.639 --> 01:03:43.719
disobey are simply laws to protect the American citizens, right exactly.

1162
01:03:43.840 --> 01:03:45.599
That's the primary role of government.

1163
01:03:46.000 --> 01:03:49.119
Yeah, it's called law and order really simple, right, yeah.

1164
01:03:49.239 --> 01:03:52.559
And the thing is, like you said, is the chaos

1165
01:03:52.599 --> 01:03:55.960
that has ensued since this country has turned its back

1166
01:03:56.000 --> 01:03:58.599
on God. You think, okay, can you start to connect

1167
01:03:58.639 --> 01:04:00.679
the dots here? I mean, look at where we are

1168
01:04:00.760 --> 01:04:06.079
right now. We've got eighty ninety different gender choices. Now

1169
01:04:06.079 --> 01:04:08.320
we've got people talking about that your birth you know,

1170
01:04:09.079 --> 01:04:12.320
you know your birth, your gender is assigned at birth.

1171
01:04:12.440 --> 01:04:17.559
Oh really, I mean it's just endless the kind of

1172
01:04:17.679 --> 01:04:22.320
chaos and the craziness that's happening in our country. You know,

1173
01:04:22.400 --> 01:04:28.360
let's go ahead and let's have gender diffusion or delusion.

1174
01:04:28.639 --> 01:04:31.960
And so let's go ahead and start removing you know,

1175
01:04:32.079 --> 01:04:38.159
body parts in order to you know, somehow satisfy this confusion.

1176
01:04:38.199 --> 01:04:42.239
And meanwhile, the science and the proof is out saying

1177
01:04:42.480 --> 01:04:45.679
it doesn't work. You know, that doesn't happen. In fact,

1178
01:04:46.039 --> 01:04:48.760
all you've done is taken a segment of society and

1179
01:04:48.800 --> 01:04:51.400
decided to exacerbate a suicide rate.

1180
01:04:51.519 --> 01:04:54.639
Right, that's absolutely right, Bill, And so I think we

1181
01:04:54.679 --> 01:04:57.880
get back to you know, we get back to the

1182
01:04:58.000 --> 01:05:01.639
truth of exactly of God's creation.

1183
01:05:01.800 --> 01:05:03.880
I mean most okay, Buck, I want you to hold

1184
01:05:03.880 --> 01:05:05.440
on that, because we're gonna come back we got to

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By the way, good to happy with us. I'm Bill

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Martinez's Scott Powell, Senior Fellow Discovery Institute, the author of

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Rediscovering America. Check it out. He's also a member on

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the Committee on This Present Danger. And as I mentioned,

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a senior fellow at the Discovery Institute, Scott, you said

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something at the end there that the end of that

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first segment is so key. All this anchors in the truth? Yes, right,

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I mean if we're not anchored in the truth. And

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oh yeah, by the way, where does the truth come from?

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Where does the undeniable truth come from? Scott Powell?

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Well, it comes from one book and it's called the Bible.

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Yes, But who's the Who's the But? But it is

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God himself.

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God himself reveals him through the through the Bible. We

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know God's principles and his truths. And the Bible, by

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the way, is more verifiable as an ancient document. The

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Bible of course has stories going back to Genesis to

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Moses' writings, you know, ancient writings when they didn't even

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have a paper, they maybe had papyrus through it. But

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how is it that we can be sure that the

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Bible is is is true and more reliable than any

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other ancient written document. Well, there's three things. When we

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speak of the New Testament, we have the accounts of

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Jesus written down by eyewitness accounts within a generation of

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Jesus coming exactly, and then we have surviving documents the

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other So you have, first of all, how many eyewitness

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accounts are there and how quickly was it recorded in writing,

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so we can trust it because in the early days,

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you know, all history was oral, and as it's oral,

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it can be changed easily over time. So and then thirdly,

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it's when we're talking about ancient history and the veracity

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of ancient history, how many how many original manuscripts if

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you will, or documents have been recovered that verify this truth.

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You know, we could say, if we compare Jesus to

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ancient figures like Homer's Eliad that has more historic record

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than any other famous writer, but it is dwarfed by

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the surviving documents that have been put together that support

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the Bible Old Testament. You know, there's twenty five thousand

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original you know, original documents if you will, and they're

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not all you know, they're over time. You know, these

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these documents were they were recorded in different ways and

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they broke up into pieces, and so they have to

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be put together that all happened in Christian history. And

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so we find that the Bible is the most reliable

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document of ancient history that we know of.

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Well, when you consider, like you focused on the New

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Testament first, there's a plethora of documentation, as you said,

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and things that we're finding out and you know, and antiquity,

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you know, things that come up all of a sudden,

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God says, okay, check this cave out, and you start

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pulling out you know, original manuscripts and Dead Sea scrolls

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and things like that is just incredible. But the other thing, though,

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when you look back, like you said, the documentation of

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you a scripture early on, it relied a lot on

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oral tradition. Yes, but you look at that and how

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consistent was that oral tradition that was passed on over

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thousands of years Scott. And then when you look at

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it and you compare it, whether you look at it scientifically, sociologically, theologically, Wow,

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it is consistent. And if you cannot see the hand

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of God who has preserved this for us, you know,

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for our well being. You know, it's like it's been

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said many times that it's God's love letter to his creation.

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And God has preserved that love letter to us not

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to harm us, but to give us a future and

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hope again. There's that hope again, so that we know

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that we're just not here, you know in this uh,

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you know great expanse of universe, waiting for another big

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bang to happen, right.

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Of course, right, No, it's about it's about, you know,

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our eternal life really and and through Jesus Christ, we

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the heavenly realm. And that is something that I think

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of that. You can get that cleared up very easily.

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the birth of Jesus and his his his death and resurrection,

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and what he gave to us is a path to God.

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Unlike any other religious course, all other religions rely on works.

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and certain certain uh you know, traditions and dietary things,

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and so with Jewish people and others. Right, it's all

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about works. But the reality is that that we're never

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good enough. We are sinful people, and we fall short.

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God's solution to all of that was to take his

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only son, his precious son, Jesus Christ, and to offer

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him as a sacrifice, standing in our place as sinners.

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It is us who should should be, you know, punished

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for our sin. But Jesus stood in our place took

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the punishment, a horrible punishment, you know, a beating that

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all was killed him before he was put up and

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nailed to the cross. But he gave his life in

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order to give us life. All we need to do

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is acknowledge who he is, who he was, and who

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he is, because resurrection means that he lives, He lives spiritually,

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he's alive. He can be alive in our life, to

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acknowledge that bring him into our life and continue to

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walk with him through prayer and reading, you know, reading

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the Bible. There's no substitute for it. Even if you

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can only spend ten minutes a day, it's the most

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important ten minutes you'll ever spend.

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Right exactly each Well. Well, the thing is is that,

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as you say, Scott, a lot of these religions because

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they focus on works short you know, kind of short

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circuits the process. Yeah, because the process really starts with faith.

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You've got to have faith first of all. It's something

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that wakes you up at three o'clock in the morning

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and says, hey, you need to know you need to

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know the Son of God. You need to know about

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this Jesus guy. This is why so many Muslims, you know,

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we were talking about the other day, a lot of

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conversions happening in the Muslim world. People are dreaming, They

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dream dreams. God uses dreams to speak to them, and

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that seed of faith is deposited into their spirit and

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and and it's it's counterintuitive, especially when you're used to

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working thinking. You got to work your way into heaven.

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You know, you start building, you know, towers of babel

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tower to heaven.

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Uh.

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And and that short circus the process. So, first of

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all starts with faith. Faith is what what caused Peter.

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When Jesus asked them, who do they say? I am?

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Peter said boldly, you know you're Jesus, You're you're You're

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the Messiah. And Jesus said, hey, you you only know

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that because the Father told you. That is the seed

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of faith that was planted in Peter, that was demonstrated.

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And then Jesus said, hey, because you told me who

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I am, I'm gonna tell you who you are. And

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it went to you know, pronounce his purpose to him

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shortly after that. So it starts with faith. What happens

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after faith is it blossoms into belief. You begin to

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believe it, and you say and and then people say, well, Scott,

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you know, why why do you believe that? And you're

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still working through it, and you go, I just I

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just believe it. I'm not you know, I'm really not sure,

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but it's just something I believe. It sets in my

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as Augustine says, it's irrefutable. And now the seed of

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faith that God planted, that began to blossom into into

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belief and now understanding is just a gorgeous offering and bouquet,

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you know, to the Father to say thank you Lord.

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Yes, isn't it? Isn't It's significant that Christmas is celebrated

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in many non Christian countries. I mean, Japan is a

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good example that that really turned down Christianity, and yet

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Christmas is one of their biggest holidays. Why it's the

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power of Jesus Christ.

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You've got even Jews, Jews singing Christmas carols. I love that, Yes, exactly,

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dear boy.

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So.

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And time is broken into before Christ and after Christ

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for all nations of the world that have no connection

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to Judaism or Christianity, but they nonetheless have accepted that

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it's either before Christ or after Christ. And then you

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have the fact that you know, there's no other there's

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no other person that was prophesied so many times ahead

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of time. Even there's very few people that were prophesied

1436
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that they would come at a later time. Exactly eighteen

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prophets prophecies in the Bible, tracing all the way back

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to David, a thousand years before Christ. And what was

1439
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his prophecy? He actually described the horrible punishment of crucifixion

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before crucifixion even existed anywhere.

1441
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Exactly.

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So, how is that all possible? How is it possible

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that that, you know, Christ was prophesied to, you know,

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to be born in Bethlehem.

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Yeah, exactly.

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It's actually named the town of Bethlam is named as

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the place that the Messiah would come. Yeah, one hundreds five,

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six hundred years before Christ was born.

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Yeah, And you could keep going down and Bedlam is

1450
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known as is the bread basket, and here it is

1451
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the Bread of life is born. That's right there, right

1452
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in the city of Bread, Bethlehem. Hundreds of Old Testament prophecies,

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with estimates typically ranging from three hundred to four hundred

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prophecies fulfilled by one man, that's right, one god man,

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Jesus Christ himself. And we pray that this would be

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that seed was not dropped into your spirit by accident,

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was it.

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Scott.

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Hey, good morning, welcome back. Great to have you with

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us sharing a part of your day. For more info

1553
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on the show, Bill Martinez Live dot com. Mary Andro

1554
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She's going to join us in just a moment. She's

1555
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a financial expert at Bank of America and she's got

1556
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a lot of great holiday chips for us to make

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the most of your budget for a shifting holiday season. Maryanne,

1558
01:26:48.119 --> 01:26:50.680
Welcome to show, Marianne. I want to call you Mary Anne,

1559
01:26:50.760 --> 01:26:54.560
but it's Mary Hines. Thank you for being with us, appreciate.

1560
01:26:54.039 --> 01:26:57.840
It, Thanks for having me well.

1561
01:26:58.159 --> 01:27:03.000
As Americans are dealing with the holidays, you know some

1562
01:27:03.039 --> 01:27:07.640
strategy holiday strategy should come into play, and you know

1563
01:27:07.680 --> 01:27:10.000
we've got you here to help us navigate some of

1564
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these headwinds.

1565
01:27:13.439 --> 01:27:13.680
Yeah.

1566
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Absolutely, many consumers are very concerned about continued inflation and

1567
01:27:18.239 --> 01:27:20.800
pending tariffs, So got to make the most of your

1568
01:27:20.840 --> 01:27:25.960
holiday budget this year. And definitely things like discount stores

1569
01:27:26.159 --> 01:27:29.399
can really help offset those costs. And in our survey,

1570
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eighty seven percent of Americans plan on shopping at discount

1571
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stores as holiday season.

1572
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Well, we've got some good signs already. It seems that

1573
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the American people are still fairly optimistic. I mean, Black

1574
01:27:42.479 --> 01:27:46.199
Friday look pretty good. Cyber Monday also came in with

1575
01:27:46.239 --> 01:27:49.920
some strong numbers. So it's good that people still have

1576
01:27:50.039 --> 01:27:54.640
this hope and positive attitude in some regards for the economy.

1577
01:27:54.880 --> 01:27:57.600
But we just need to be smart.

1578
01:27:57.239 --> 01:28:02.159
About it, right, Yeah, absolute we saw three percent increase

1579
01:28:02.199 --> 01:28:05.119
and spend in the month of November in the retail category,

1580
01:28:05.399 --> 01:28:11.439
which is really strong. It's just indicative that while things

1581
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are more expensive and there's uncertainty, people are having to

1582
01:28:15.159 --> 01:28:18.279
make choices, but they're doing it in a really responsible way.

1583
01:28:18.399 --> 01:28:21.760
So that's where things like secondhand stores warehouse stores can

1584
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really help. And when we look at our data, we're

1585
01:28:23.720 --> 01:28:28.000
seeing a ten percent increase and lower ticket items and

1586
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a two percent decline and high ticket items like furniture

1587
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and luxury goods.

1588
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Mary Hines, can you elaborate a little bit more on

1589
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these trends that you just referred to that are you

1590
01:28:42.399 --> 01:28:44.439
know that are there and that are you know, having

1591
01:28:44.439 --> 01:28:46.079
an impact on holiday spending.

1592
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Yeah, well, definitely in the discount stores space, we're seeing

1593
01:28:52.159 --> 01:28:55.680
a huge increase year over year and second hand store

1594
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so thrift shops, things like the Real Real, which is

1595
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indicative not only people wanting to make their money go further,

1596
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but just showing that younger generations are shopping differently than

1597
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in the past and it's perfectly okay to buy a

1598
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used item. Also seeing a lot of people use AI

1599
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in order to come up with gift ideas as well

1600
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as find the best price for those gifts.

1601
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Fifty one percent of the people that.

1602
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We surveyed indicated they'd be using AI this holiday season.

1603
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And when you look at the younger generations, seventy one

1604
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percent plan on using AI to make the most of

1605
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their holiday purchases.

1606
01:29:31.399 --> 01:29:33.319
Well, I think it's interesting that you bring up, you know,

1607
01:29:33.399 --> 01:29:39.479
the character buying habits of you know, the younger generation, Uh,

1608
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because they are coming in with a lot of force

1609
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and power you know, for our economy, aren't they.

1610
01:29:47.159 --> 01:29:47.399
Yeah?

1611
01:29:47.439 --> 01:29:50.760
Absolutely, But you're also seeing the impact social media is

1612
01:29:50.840 --> 01:29:53.680
having on the purchase decisions of these younger generations. So

1613
01:29:53.760 --> 01:29:56.640
I mentioned Dukes that's when you get something that is

1614
01:29:56.680 --> 01:30:01.640
similar in quality and design as a higher priced branded item,

1615
01:30:02.319 --> 01:30:06.039
and they're often duke videos on TikTok that then go

1616
01:30:06.239 --> 01:30:08.760
viral and people would rather have the dupe, which is

1617
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at a lower price than the more expensive item, which

1618
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is very much in contrast to older generations.

1619
01:30:14.560 --> 01:30:18.680
Right exactly. And it's interesting that that has become a factor.

1620
01:30:19.840 --> 01:30:22.479
You know, I'm watching in the background and seeing ice

1621
01:30:22.520 --> 01:30:24.760
skaters in the background, and reminds us that, you know,

1622
01:30:25.159 --> 01:30:27.960
every year, for many years, we would go to New York,

1623
01:30:28.319 --> 01:30:32.920
and New York was famous for dupes on every corner, right.

1624
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Yeah, exactly. Yeah, and these are.

1625
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Necessarily knockoffs where it looks like the branded item, exactly,

1626
01:30:42.039 --> 01:30:45.199
but it's more of a similar item at a much

1627
01:30:45.239 --> 01:30:49.279
lower cost. That's really taking off now. Certainly people are

1628
01:30:49.279 --> 01:30:51.399
still getting the full knockoffs. I see people on the

1629
01:30:51.399 --> 01:30:55.359
corner every day on my way to the subway, exactly, right.

1630
01:30:55.680 --> 01:30:58.239
Yeah. But still the bottom line is even the younger

1631
01:30:58.279 --> 01:31:02.079
generation still appreciates value. Value is still there, right.

1632
01:31:03.640 --> 01:31:03.840
Yeah.

1633
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And I not only appreciate value, they wear it with

1634
01:31:06.439 --> 01:31:09.399
a badge of honor, like it's cool, I got this,

1635
01:31:09.399 --> 01:31:11.520
this is vintage. I got it at a second hand

1636
01:31:11.560 --> 01:31:15.960
store versus being embarrassed about that. So it's definitely a

1637
01:31:15.960 --> 01:31:18.560
different mindset on let's make the most of the money

1638
01:31:18.560 --> 01:31:19.880
that we have and make.

1639
01:31:19.760 --> 01:31:20.439
It go further.

1640
01:31:20.840 --> 01:31:24.399
Because while we are sitting strong spend growth year over

1641
01:31:24.439 --> 01:31:28.279
a year, things are more expensive and that's why those

1642
01:31:28.319 --> 01:31:31.239
trade offs are important for you to still get everyone

1643
01:31:31.560 --> 01:31:33.159
on your list the right gift.

1644
01:31:33.520 --> 01:31:35.880
Well exactly because you know, the reality is is we're

1645
01:31:35.920 --> 01:31:39.239
still having to navigate around some of these headwinds. You know,

1646
01:31:39.359 --> 01:31:43.239
inflation is still there, some of the things that we expected.

1647
01:31:44.000 --> 01:31:46.720
You know, we're told now by the economists that we

1648
01:31:46.800 --> 01:31:50.159
may have to wait until the second quarter. But you know,

1649
01:31:50.199 --> 01:31:52.800
there's some I think there's some positive signs here that

1650
01:31:52.880 --> 01:31:56.159
are giving people hope for this holiday season, don't you think.

1651
01:31:57.399 --> 01:31:58.239
Oh absolutely.

1652
01:31:58.319 --> 01:31:59.720
I mean when you think of the things that are

1653
01:31:59.720 --> 01:32:05.560
more expensive, it's kind of the necessities utilities, property taxes, insurance,

1654
01:32:06.159 --> 01:32:09.399
and so that leaves them less money for holiday spending,

1655
01:32:09.640 --> 01:32:15.119
but they're using that money really wisely going to warehouse stores.

1656
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But they can buy and bulk and get things at

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a lower cost for things like shopping stuffers and food

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for holiday dinners and things. And then you know, when

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they get to the retail purchases, those other discount big

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box retailer stores like Target, Walmart, and Amazon just continue

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to grow on popularity exactly.

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We're talking to Mary Heinz Drokes. She's the head of

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Consumer Small Business Products and Analytics at Bank of America.

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She oversees strategy and management for a wide range of

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lending and deposit products, along with consumer investments and the

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Preferred Rewards program. Mary Hines, you know, I was just

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reading the other day that it looks like there's to

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be a lot of money coming back by way of

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our income tax And do you think that some of

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the consumers are looking at that positive report and saying, Okay,

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maybe I can spend a little bit more this holiday

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season because my income tax return is going to be

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a lot higher because the government's talking billions of dollars

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being distributed.

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Yeah.

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Well, certainly for lower income Americans, they're likely to get

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more in their tax refunds as no tax on tips.

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If you bought an Arta alone, you're getting a rebate

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there and that'll come in in February. So maybe that's

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propelling some of the spend left. But also what is

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most important in any economy is employment. And Americans are

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still employed. They're still seeing wage growth. It's moderated this year,

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01:33:49.840 --> 01:33:52.880
but it's still higher year over year, and I think

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that's creating the optimism we see with consumers. It'll be

1685
01:33:56.600 --> 01:33:58.920
interesting to see what kind of purchasing we see once

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01:33:58.920 --> 01:34:02.079
those tax refunds to come in, starting, you know, as

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01:34:02.119 --> 01:34:03.119
early as February.

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Well, I'll take a little bit of hope for you know,

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right now, and I think most people are feeling the

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same way.

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Yeah, go ahead, Yeah, I mean, the consumer is resilient.

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We have retail spend growth year every year. That's an

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01:34:15.479 --> 01:34:18.039
incredibly good sign for the economy.

1694
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Well, let's talk about some other smart ways to manage

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our spending this holiday season.

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Well, it's really important that you create a list for

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all of your holiday purchases, the gifts for people, how

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01:34:32.079 --> 01:34:34.079
much do you want to spend, all the other things

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you do for the holidays, wrapping paper, scotch tape, and

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then stick to that budget. It's really easy, especial FLEA

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with things like social media and retargeting, to get lured

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into making purchases you didn't attend.

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And that's where when you're making your purchases.

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Using the secondhand stores warehouse stores can really help you

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stick to that.

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List right exactly as you say, you know, it's the

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season you know, for buying and selling and giving and

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receiving in that, and I get that, and you can

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01:35:04.680 --> 01:35:06.680
get caught up in it, and then next thing you know,

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you've blown past your budget. So hey, but it's also

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a season to enjoy and say, hey, look at it,

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I'm done, all the gifts are wrapped. Let's enjoy family time. Right.

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Oh absolutely, I mean it is the best season of

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the year, and so you want to make sure that

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you do it in a responsible way so you can

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truly enjoy it and not feel financial stress.

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Well, let's talk about credit card rewards. We haven't touched

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on that. H We've got some good news there. Tell

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us what consumers can do to make the most of

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credit card rewards.

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Yeah, I mean credit card.

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When you're making your holiday purchase, using a credit card

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that comes with rewards is a great way to extend

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your purchasing power. You can either use those rewards to

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buy additional gifts or use them to help offset your

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bill when it comes in in January. I always use

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my customized past rewards from Bank of America, where new

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clients get six percent back in the category of their choice.

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I choose online spending because that's where I do all

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01:36:08.960 --> 01:36:12.239
of my holiday spending and it's just a great way

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01:36:12.319 --> 01:36:15.039
for me to use that cash back I earn to

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01:36:15.079 --> 01:36:16.680
pay down my bill in January.

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Well, as we wrap things up, Marines, where can consumers

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go for more information and also what can consumers do

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to get ahead of their twenty twenty six financial resolutions.

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Well, you can always go to Bankoamerica dot com for

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more information and on we also have a site better

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with budgeting tips. And one of the ones that we

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most highly recommend as you go into the new year

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is establish your budget for the year. Allocate fifty percent

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of your income to those the things that you have

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to pay for insurance, rent, gas, groceries, thirty percent to

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the thing that you enjoy doing going out to eat, traveling, shopping,

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and then twenty percent goes into savings.

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you're going to be in great financial health.

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Well that's some great advice. Thank you so much. Mary

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Hines Drugge She's the head of Consumer in Small Business

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Products and Analytics at Bank of America. Thank you, Mary Heines,

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Take care.

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Good morning, welcome back, Good to have you with us.

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Bill Martinez here, and Elon Bento is with us. He's

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the writer and co director of this new documentary, The

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True Cost of Defense. Elon, welcome to the show. Good

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to have you with us.

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Thanks very much.

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Bill.

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Well, you're the writer co director of the True Cost

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of Defense. It's an our documentary. As I mentioned, it

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peels back layers of the US defense budget, revealing its deep,

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deepest cost, the human one. What brought this, Elon to

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your attention? To you and your production partner, Kit Berry, sure.

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You know, like many people, Kip and I have looked

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at these pie charts of the defense budgets, but in

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all these different slices, each with different categories, and we

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were curious what really went into those categories. That's sort

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of what sparked it. And then we expanded our focus

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beyond what is strictly the defense budget out into things

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that are peripheral to the defense budget but are closely

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bound with our military, things like the veteran affairs budget,

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money that is donated to charitable organizations and support of

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veterans and military families, things like that, and you see

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that the total cost goes up quite a bit. And

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from there we just wanted to dig into what is

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being spent on what and why.

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When you broke the budget down and realized that maybe

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the top line what's being reported is about bullets and guns,

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not necessarily the human cost, and certainly the post war

1853
01:43:09.560 --> 01:43:10.760
human cost, right.

1854
01:43:12.479 --> 01:43:15.840
That's right. A lot of people tend to fixate on

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things like fighter jets and aircraft carriers, which are expensive,

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01:43:22.279 --> 01:43:25.479
but those costs pale in comparison to, as you said,

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the recruiting and the training and housing and maintaining the

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military and then all the costs that go into post

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retirements or you know, meeving the military healthcare and pensions

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and things like that. And so we spent a lot

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of time doing that. We went to Sacramento, California, and

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01:43:48.920 --> 01:43:52.520
spent time with some Marine recruiters, went to Fort Sill,

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some Army basic training, went to different duty stations. Saw

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01:43:58.359 --> 01:44:03.319
spend time with deployed troops abroad and uh and then

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spend time with veterans severely injured and otherwise to discuss

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their their pensions and medical care and what they felt

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01:44:12.640 --> 01:44:15.399
was was good and what they felt uh, you know

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01:44:15.520 --> 01:44:16.680
came up short.

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01:44:17.199 --> 01:44:21.119
Elan when you uh, as you did your investigation and

1870
01:44:21.279 --> 01:44:25.439
all these interviews in putting this documentary together, the true

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01:44:25.520 --> 01:44:26.359
cost of defense?

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Uh?

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Was there a bigger number that you came up with

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as opposed to what's being reported uh to the American

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01:44:35.399 --> 01:44:37.479
people in terms of the cost of our defense.

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Sure. I mean when you take into things, uh, you know,

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money spent by the State Department, money spent by the

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Department of Energy, the v a charitable donate, you know,

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donations to charities, all of these things, everything having to

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do with the military. You know, you start to approach

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one and a half trillion dollars, and it's all sort

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of part of the same picture. So having the military

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that the US has ultimately costs quite a bit more

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than just that that eight hundred plus billion.

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Right exactly, because the goal is is in order to

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protect the freedom in this great American idea, it comes

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at a grave cost. And we've demonstrated that, you know,

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time and again, have we not.

1889
01:45:35.520 --> 01:45:40.560
Yeah, that's right. I mean, ultimately, a message that we

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came across multiple times was when you look at our

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budget and the amount of money that the US spends,

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especially compared to kind of near peers, China, Russia, the

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goal is not parody, you know, the goal is sort

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of overwhelming superiority. And the reason for that is not

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01:46:02.680 --> 01:46:07.920
just to win wars, but to deter them. Ultimately far

1896
01:46:08.119 --> 01:46:13.039
costlier in terms of money and lives to fight a

1897
01:46:13.079 --> 01:46:16.640
war than it is to maintain a military that can

1898
01:46:16.720 --> 01:46:19.079
help the United States avoid one.

1899
01:46:19.079 --> 01:46:20.800
Entirely, right.

1900
01:46:21.359 --> 01:46:23.439
And I think this is what we're realizing, you know,

1901
01:46:23.520 --> 01:46:26.680
currently with as many wars that are out there, and

1902
01:46:26.960 --> 01:46:31.359
I think you know, it's estimated there's nineteen wars right

1903
01:46:31.399 --> 01:46:33.840
now happening around the world of course, a lot of

1904
01:46:33.880 --> 01:46:37.760
eyes on Ukraine and Russia, and we see the costs

1905
01:46:37.800 --> 01:46:43.600
there in humanity, not to mention just the raw cost

1906
01:46:43.720 --> 01:46:47.880
you know, bullets and armaments and all that that just

1907
01:46:48.000 --> 01:46:51.600
keeps mounting up. And to your point, going to war

1908
01:46:52.359 --> 01:46:54.439
is a very expensive proposition.

1909
01:46:56.960 --> 01:47:02.439
Yeah, absolutely, I mean, look at obviously you see different

1910
01:47:02.520 --> 01:47:05.479
numbers when it comes to lives lost over in Ukraine,

1911
01:47:06.239 --> 01:47:11.800
but it is and should be unimaginable to Americans to

1912
01:47:11.920 --> 01:47:16.600
lose that many lives fighting a war. And that's certainly

1913
01:47:16.600 --> 01:47:21.079
what a war that the US could be involved in

1914
01:47:21.560 --> 01:47:25.359
could look like, right, And so if a lot of

1915
01:47:25.359 --> 01:47:28.600
money can be spent to try and save that off,

1916
01:47:29.760 --> 01:47:32.000
it seems like a good investment.

1917
01:47:33.760 --> 01:47:36.960
Yeah, without a doubt, because i mean, look at there's

1918
01:47:37.000 --> 01:47:40.119
been a lot of conversation about the military industrial complex,

1919
01:47:40.640 --> 01:47:44.319
and you know what they're there for. It's, you know,

1920
01:47:44.359 --> 01:47:51.319
they're there to execute wars, to spend you know, military budgets.

1921
01:47:51.359 --> 01:47:53.920
You know. But like you said, if we can avoid

1922
01:47:54.039 --> 01:47:57.359
a war and we do this, you know, by having

1923
01:47:57.359 --> 01:48:00.319
the build up that we have to deter people from

1924
01:48:00.359 --> 01:48:03.319
wanting to go to war with America. And if if

1925
01:48:03.359 --> 01:48:07.279
we have like this current president is doing leveraging America's

1926
01:48:07.319 --> 01:48:10.319
influence to keep people from going to war. I got

1927
01:48:10.399 --> 01:48:11.880
I gotta believe that's a good thing.

1928
01:48:14.359 --> 01:48:17.479
Well, avoiding war is definitely a good thing. I think

1929
01:48:17.479 --> 01:48:21.239
everyone would would certainly agree with that. We did spend

1930
01:48:21.479 --> 01:48:25.159
you know, you mentioned the military industrial complex, and we

1931
01:48:25.239 --> 01:48:29.159
do have a section on procurement developments things pertaining to

1932
01:48:29.319 --> 01:48:33.279
the defense industry, and we tried to look at that

1933
01:48:33.479 --> 01:48:39.039
also from all sorts of angles. One, you know, uh,

1934
01:48:39.880 --> 01:48:42.760
hearing the arguments for and against the amount of spending,

1935
01:48:42.840 --> 01:48:45.760
and and and the fact that most of it gets

1936
01:48:45.840 --> 01:48:48.840
funneled one way or another through a handful of companies,

1937
01:48:49.079 --> 01:48:53.159
which is a relatively new development over the course of

1938
01:48:53.199 --> 01:48:57.239
American history. But also looking at the communities impacted by

1939
01:48:57.279 --> 01:49:01.199
these jobs. You know, in certain places in Norfolk, Virginia,

1940
01:49:01.520 --> 01:49:09.239
all sorts of places across the country. You've got generations

1941
01:49:09.279 --> 01:49:12.640
of people that have earned money for their families and

1942
01:49:13.319 --> 01:49:15.760
had it flow into their communities because they work in

1943
01:49:15.800 --> 01:49:21.840
these jobs. And so you can see how the reduction

1944
01:49:22.039 --> 01:49:26.119
of military spending also would really impact just your average Americans.

1945
01:49:26.920 --> 01:49:29.319
So that's an interesting thing to consider as well. It's

1946
01:49:29.319 --> 01:49:32.520
not just the boeings and rapeons that stand to lose

1947
01:49:32.560 --> 01:49:36.079
something from reduced military spending, all the folks that work

1948
01:49:36.159 --> 01:49:39.359
for them, some two million people work in the aerospace

1949
01:49:39.399 --> 01:49:40.800
and shipbuilding industries.

1950
01:49:42.319 --> 01:49:45.439
Well. The documentary is currently streaming on YouTube and rolling

1951
01:49:45.479 --> 01:49:49.920
out on public TV stations nationwide. True Cost of Defense

1952
01:49:50.000 --> 01:49:53.159
explores the costly, human and financial side of keeping the

1953
01:49:53.279 --> 01:49:56.760
US and its allies safe. What do you want the

1954
01:49:56.840 --> 01:50:00.199
audience to take away from the eelon after they viewed this?

1955
01:50:02.359 --> 01:50:05.720
Sure, you know, we didn't go into this project with

1956
01:50:05.840 --> 01:50:11.159
the hope of initiating some sort of policy change. Our

1957
01:50:11.760 --> 01:50:16.279
our overriding goal was to inform the American public as

1958
01:50:16.359 --> 01:50:20.199
much as possible about defense ending so that they could

1959
01:50:20.239 --> 01:50:25.039
be more adequately prepared to enact whatever change they want

1960
01:50:25.720 --> 01:50:29.039
when it comes to their vote.

1961
01:50:30.960 --> 01:50:34.760
Did you conclude that we're spending the right amount of money?

1962
01:50:34.880 --> 01:50:37.640
I mean, because you've done I mean, this is such

1963
01:50:37.680 --> 01:50:40.359
a great job in what you've done in this documentary

1964
01:50:40.760 --> 01:50:44.720
and laying out you know, the true cost of defense.

1965
01:50:45.560 --> 01:50:47.399
And as you said, you know, you took a look

1966
01:50:47.399 --> 01:50:52.039
at the supply chain how this affects you know, millions

1967
01:50:52.039 --> 01:50:56.079
of people that support the UH you know, support our

1968
01:50:56.079 --> 01:50:57.319
military and our defense.

1969
01:50:59.640 --> 01:51:03.560
Well, you know, as an American, you hope that when

1970
01:51:03.560 --> 01:51:08.840
you dig into the defense industry and the military itself,

1971
01:51:09.800 --> 01:51:13.279
that you find that it is being competently run by

1972
01:51:14.079 --> 01:51:17.800
competent folks. And I was pleased, at least in our experience,

1973
01:51:17.880 --> 01:51:20.960
to find that we were very impressed. We were impressed

1974
01:51:21.640 --> 01:51:27.800
by the enlisted personnel, the young people operate and you know,

1975
01:51:27.880 --> 01:51:32.640
making the military run. We were impressed by the technology

1976
01:51:32.640 --> 01:51:37.479
that we witnessed and the maintaining of that technology. So

1977
01:51:38.680 --> 01:51:41.039
as ultimately a layman, it was hard for me to

1978
01:51:41.039 --> 01:51:43.399
point my finger at anything and say this is a

1979
01:51:43.399 --> 01:51:48.640
waste of money, especially when it comes to people. And

1980
01:51:49.479 --> 01:51:52.960
I was very impressed by the standards maintained by those

1981
01:51:53.000 --> 01:51:55.920
marine recruiters we spent time with. I was impressed by

1982
01:51:56.000 --> 01:51:59.920
the recruits themselves all the way through the you know

1983
01:52:00.399 --> 01:52:05.039
young tank commander that we saw in Poland, she was

1984
01:52:05.239 --> 01:52:09.800
in her early twenties, and yes, she was extremely sharp

1985
01:52:09.840 --> 01:52:12.000
and impressive and so across the board.

1986
01:52:14.039 --> 01:52:16.760
Well, and I love the part that you brought out

1987
01:52:16.760 --> 01:52:19.359
elon that she had her tank, her tank that she

1988
01:52:19.439 --> 01:52:23.000
trained with, was was shipped to Poland and was ready

1989
01:52:23.039 --> 01:52:26.319
to go. I mean, it's it is impressive to think

1990
01:52:26.359 --> 01:52:30.279
about how our military operates. There's lots of layers that

1991
01:52:30.319 --> 01:52:33.439
are involved here. We've got to leave it there. Elon

1992
01:52:33.520 --> 01:52:36.079
Bento is the writer and co director of the True

1993
01:52:36.079 --> 01:52:39.800
Cost of Defense. It's a one hour documentary that is

1994
01:52:39.880 --> 01:52:42.520
on YouTube right now and you'll be able to see

1995
01:52:42.520 --> 01:52:45.439
it on public TV as well. Is there a website

1996
01:52:45.479 --> 01:52:47.800
that people can go to Elon for more information?

1997
01:52:50.199 --> 01:52:54.039
Yeah, if you go to free to Choosemedia dot org,

1998
01:52:54.600 --> 01:52:59.600
you can see the documentary there, or you can just

1999
01:52:59.600 --> 01:53:03.119
look up The True Cost of Defense on YouTube.

2000
01:53:03.720 --> 01:53:06.039
Well, very good. Elon Benzol, thank you so much for

2001
01:53:06.039 --> 01:53:08.640
being with us. He's the writer and code director of

2002
01:53:08.720 --> 01:53:12.640
The True Cost of Defense. Thank you, Elon, thank great job.

2003
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Appreciate it. Take care.

2004
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